Time  Nick           Message
00:00 VanessaE       generate a layer of maptools:fullclip under it
00:00 VanessaE       (or cloud would work too - just anything that a player can't destroy)
00:02 cornernote     i tried cloud, but i the lava generates, falls, then the cloud appears
00:03 VanessaE       strange... there's mapgen hooks for making stuff in predictable layers
00:13 cornernote     i got it, i think i was replacing the cloud with water/lava
00:14 cornernote     fixed that now
00:19 cornernote     i'd like to load in a WE schem on mapgen... anyone have some example code to do this ?
02:06 freelikegnu    VanessaE: have you encountered this issue with pyramids? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7063&p=186197#p186197
02:16 cornernote     seems minetest.override_item doesnt work as I expect...
02:16 cornernote     i do this... minetest.override_item('default:tree', {groups = {oddly_breakable_by_hand = 0}})
02:17 cornernote     and then i cannot break it by hand... but i also cant break it with an axe
02:19 cornernote     oh, i see.. im overwriting ALL the groups with that code... my bad
02:59 aerth          i entered an incorrect email address at the forums
03:00 freelikegnu    doh
04:03 sloantothebone Does anybody like The Matrix?
04:15 aerth          hello
04:15 aerth          does anyone here make mods
04:16 aerth          can we do something like https://github.com/bolt/bolt-extensions for the minetest mods
04:17 aerth          http://extensions.bolt.cm is what it looks like
04:18 aerth          it makes it easy with tags and its all git repositorys for each module
04:20 kahrl          aerth: like http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php or different?
04:21 aerth          both like similar and different all the same time
04:22 aerth          is ReactOS motto really "NEEDS YOUR HELP!" ?
04:50 xfceKris       Anyone else having trouble connecting to any of the servers?
04:52 xfceKris       admittedly, I have a crappy internet connection to begin with, but if I can get netflix to work, but not able to connect to minetest, I'm thinking I'm not the one with the problem.
04:59 aerth          which server i'll try
04:59 aerth          some servers i cant load, takes too long
05:01 xfceKris       Dan's carbone server.
05:01 xfceKris       and xanadu.
05:03 aerth          are u using xfce
05:04 xfceKris       Yes
05:04 aerth          awesome me too
05:04 xfceKris       How did you guess?
05:04 aerth          :D
05:04 xfceKris       lmao
05:04 aerth          xanadu is internationalized
05:05 aerth          awesome
05:06 aerth          both of those loaded for me
05:42 hmmmm          I am going to strangle sapier the next time i see him
05:56 amadin         Hot to add writing errors in log to mod?
05:56 amadin         because server crash and i don't cnow why
05:57 amadin         know
06:02 hmmmm          adadin, I saw your error before
06:02 hmmmm          usually errors from mods give much more information but the specific type of error your mod had somehow corrupted the internal Lua state thus causing another error while executing the error handler
06:03 hmmmm          sadly there is no way to get a full backtrace like you would with a normal runtime error, but at least you'll be able to see which callback failed with my latest patch (which will soon be part of the master branch, pending approval)
06:04 hmmmm          cherry pick this commit https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/9b394b0ee0cb0619395d3d986a28bde83c8878e2 and run minetest with that, you'll get more information
06:07 xfceKris       aerth, what minetest build are you using?
06:08 xfceKris       Also, does anyone else have any problem connecting to a server?
06:08 amadin         0.4.12-dev from sources
06:08 amadin         linux
06:09 xfceKris       dev-9c76f37 is the latest (I just updated an hour ago). Is that what you are on?
06:10 amadin         yes all players was diconected
06:10 xfceKris       all servers?
06:10 amadin         i update server yestuday
06:10 xfceKris       I haven't been able since yesterday, so that makes sense
06:11 amadin         so i mau update server now?
06:11 amadin         may
06:11 xfceKris       WTF, why did I just disconnect from freenode?
06:14 xfceKris       also, amadin, no matter what server I try to connect to, I get an error that the connection timed out....on EVERY server.
06:16 xfceKris       w/e, I gotta be up in the morning. I'll try to figure it out later.
07:09 cornernote     if i put textures on my server, will players see those textures or the default ones ?
08:03 cornernote     how do i register a new priv ?
08:08 GunshipPenguin cornernote: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_privilege
08:09 cornernote     thanks @GunshipPenguin
08:11 cornernote     do you happen to know the answer to my last question regarding server textures ?
08:12 GunshipPenguin I'm not sure what textures you're referring to exactly, can you clarify?
08:14 cornernote     for example, say i want a different image for the empty bucket, but i dont want it just for my client, i want it for anyone who joins my server...
08:14 cornernote     if i put it in minetest/textures, will that work ?
08:14 cornernote     or is that just for the local client ?
08:18 GunshipPenguin Yes, If you were to replace a texture in a subgame or mod running on a server, that change would be seen by clients connecting to your server.
08:19 GunshipPenguin When a client connects to a server, mods/textures on their local machine are not used.
08:19 cornernote     so i have to replace the texture in the mod, i cant just put it into the minetest/textures folder ?
08:22 GunshipPenguin If you wanted to for instance, change the bucket texture seen by players connecting to a server, you would change the bucket.png file.
08:23 GunshipPenguin Located within the mods/bucket/textures directory within minetest_game
08:25 cornernote     yeah, i was hoping i could do it without overwriting that
08:26 cornernote     oh well, thanks anyway
08:27 GunshipPenguin Sorry, what exactly do you want to do? If you want clients to see a modified texture, you of course have to modify a texture.
08:31 GunshipPenguin Oh, I see what you mean
08:31 GunshipPenguin You're talking about the textures directory for the minetest engine
08:31 JamesTait      Good morning all; happy Work Like A Dog Day! 😃
08:32 GunshipPenguin Morning? It's 1:30 AM here in Vancouver :P
08:33 GunshipPenguin Cornernote: If you're talking about the minetest/textures directory, then no, you can't just drop textures for minetest_game in there and have them sent to clients. You're confusing the minetest engine and minetest_game
08:34 JamesTait      GunshipPenguin, AM is morning! 😉
08:35 GunshipPenguin Well technically speaking I suppose :)
08:50 kaeza          <cornernote> for example, say i want a different image for the empty bucket, but i dont want it just for my client, i want it for anyone who joins my server...
08:51 kaeza          AFAIK, you can put textures into <minetest>/textures/server and they will be served as if they were a custom tex pack
08:51 kaeza          i.e. they will override the ones in the mods
08:52 cornernote     kaeza, thanks... i just noticed that when i read the texture_packs_here.txt :)
08:59 kaeza          xban2 is listed on minetest.net/mods :O
09:04 aerth          kaeza: is there a whitelist username (for example so moderators dont ban the server owner)
09:06 kaeza          aerth, nope
09:06 aerth          cool
09:07 aerth          still installin it
09:07 aerth          :D
10:09 ThatGraemeGuy  cornernote: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-skyblock/issues/24 when you're bored ;-)
10:42 rubenwardy     !seen Krock
10:42 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: krock was last seen at 2015-05-17 16:34:29 UTC on #minetest
11:41 amadin         Does anybody can help me with crash server? http://fpaste.org/251711/74859143/
11:48 Sketch2        not certain, but I like how it phrases it "error in error handling"
11:49 Sketch2        what version of MT and OS is the server running?
11:50 amadin         MT 0.4.12-dev linux from this https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest
11:50 amadin         amd64
11:51 H-H-H          lol
11:51 amadin         in standart MT this error is too
11:51 H-H-H          i didnt realise amd64 was an os :P
11:51 amadin         x64 i mean
11:52 amadin         x86_64
11:52 H-H-H          yes but you were asked what os
11:52 amadin         debian jessy
11:52 H-H-H          ubuntu,fedora,arch,puppy,android or whatever ?
11:54 Sketch2        has it happened before?
11:54 Sketch2        I'm seeing "compassgps writing settings" right before it happened
11:54 amadin         yes 2 days every 1-3 hours
11:55 Sketch2        has that mod caused you trouble?
11:56 amadin         i use compassgps a long time and it not have trouble
11:56 amadin         but 2-3 days ago i have crash every 1-3 hours, i deleted last installed mods but it not help
11:57 amadin         also i edit some mods so may this is trouble
11:59 amadin         but i don't edit compass
12:00 amadin         but if i undo my changes in the modes - then it will like be guessing the stars
12:01 amadin         may i add debuging to mods?
12:05 amadin         or maybe you have program or script to test mods fo errors and typos?
12:08 amadin         me crazy these useless errors in log
12:09 amadin         i not have team of testers to test every mod
12:15 * H-H-H        deltes what he was typing
12:17 Sketch2        it's hard to tell what's happening.  was going to ask for more log info, but he quit
12:19 H-H-H          he has been n the last 2 days demanding ppl fix his issue and when they dont answer he gets the hump and usually says sometrhing silly like yesterday he said minetest was the buggyest thing ever then quit
12:19 H-H-H          we are not here to serve anyone we just try to help
12:34 arsdragonfly   try binary search when mods break
12:50 VanessaE       ~tell amadin then remove ALL OF YOUR MODS and test again, re-add them ONE at a time until you find the source of the crash.
12:50 ShadowBot      VanessaE: O.K.
13:06 rubenwardy     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10789
13:06 rubenwardy     VanessaE ^
13:08 VanessaE       moved to old mods.
13:08 VanessaE       (because hybrid_dog still has an outdated fork, and deleting a thread on request is not something we do)
13:24 ThatGraemeGuy  cornernote: looks as if the worst of the bugginess is done for now, there are 3 new players that joined recently and in logs I see that they they have progressed half way through level 3 already without issue
13:33 VanessaE       cornernote: one thing skyblock has a problem with is how lag affects furnaces and chests.  they tend to basically hang for minutes at a time
13:33 VanessaE       (but that may be a problem with the server I was playing on)
13:44 ThatGraemeGuy  VanessaE: i noticed that on stormchaser3000's server, but have not noticed on mine
13:45 ThatGraemeGuy  mine's much newer though, it's still pretty small and i don't think more than 10 people were on there at a time
13:45 ThatGraemeGuy  http://mt.thatgraemeguy.co.za/skyblock.png
13:45 Calinou        https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/08/05/libreoffice-5-0-stands-out-from-the-office-suite-crowd/
13:45 Calinou        LibreOffice 5.0 released
13:46 VanessaE       ThatGraemeGuy: interesting.  I wonder what stormchaser's map would look like
13:46 rubenwardy     fuck you lua
13:46 rubenwardy     local data = line:split(",")
13:46 rubenwardy     if #data == 3 then
13:46 rubenwardy     local author = data[0]:trim()
13:46 VanessaE       btw do I see a couple of nyan cats in there? :)
13:47 VanessaE       rubenwardy: now now :)
13:47 rubenwardy     print("found " + author + "/" + basename + ": " + url)
13:47 rubenwardy     :'(
13:47 ThatGraemeGuy  yeah, and you can't get to them because if you descend below Y=-8 you respawn
13:48 ThatGraemeGuy  a rude awakening awats those who dare attempt such a thing
13:48 VanessaE       that's mean :)
13:49 rubenwardy     https://github.com/rubenwardy/mt_mod_forum_parser/
13:49 ThatGraemeGuy  such is the skyblock life ;-p
13:49 rubenwardy     much more accurate than Krock's mod search
13:49 rubenwardy     in terms of getting a download url
13:49 VanessaE       you know, I still to this day have not figured out how to climb down when there's not already something below me.
13:50 VanessaE       rubenwardy: nice idea!
13:50 ThatGraemeGuy  VanessaE: water elevator
13:50 VanessaE       oh for crying out loud
13:50 VanessaE       why didn't I think of that?
13:50 ThatGraemeGuy  :)
13:51 VanessaE       now I feel totally stupid.
13:51 ThatGraemeGuy  go forth and build ye a basement
14:07 yaman          one of my formspec buttons is not passing any fields when pressed, here is the formspec code http://codebin.org/view/dc470725:
14:07 yaman          please help
14:16 rubenwardy     https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm/commit/c655eb1ae135d2989849602d0517ab690b6bda86
14:17 rubenwardy     !tell Krock https://github.com/rubenwardy/mt_mod_forum_parser
14:17 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when Krock is around
14:17 VanessaE       rubenwardy: you really should work on getting that into core
14:17 rubenwardy     mtpm?
14:17 VanessaE       yeah, if it's what I think it is
14:17 rubenwardy     It well be
14:17 rubenwardy     *will
14:17 rubenwardy     I will try to
14:17 VanessaE       seeing how the existing "mod store" was an abject failure
14:17 VanessaE       (sorry iq)
14:18 rubenwardy     !tell Krock renamed to https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists
14:18 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: yeah, sure, whatever
14:19 VanessaE       one thing though:  don't download the .zip if you can possibly `git clone --recursive`.  the zip isn't recursive.
14:20 rubenwardy     That would require git :P
14:20 rubenwardy     What if no git?
14:21 VanessaE       er..
14:21 VanessaE       then download the zip I guess
14:21 VanessaE       or hard-dep on git
14:22 Amaz           Could you make it refuse to download the zip if it detects that the repository has submodules?
14:22 rubenwardy     Mtpm is designed so that it could be executed in builtin/mainmenu's Lua environments
14:22 VanessaE       Amaz: that would require git too
14:23 VanessaE       rubenwardy: https://github.com/quarnster/sublime_package_control/commit/9fe2fc2cad9bd2e7e1a38d7e5d4aaa02fb2b4aea
14:24 VanessaE       looks like someone else has already attempted to solve the issue from outside github
14:31 rubenwardy     any ideas? https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm/issues/6
14:31 rubenwardy     !title
14:31 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Support for luarocks --local · Issue #6 · rubenwardy/mtpm · GitHub
14:32 VanessaE       idk about luarocks, but I sent github a request regarding submodules in ZIP, and pointed them to some of the search results I found (to subtly remind them that it's been years now with no improvement)
14:49 rubenwardy     !title https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm/commit/5f6a226982382b38b1361f452b5e0588a31e4f15
14:49 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Add support for luarocks --local · rubenwardy/mtpm@5f6a226 · GitHub
14:49 rubenwardy     yay
14:49 rubenwardy     found the answer on a random maillist on the second page of google results
15:19 twoelk         rubenwardy, I wonder wether your mod_list script could be used to create a dynamic wiki page.
15:19 rubenwardy     I wouldn't be hard to expand it to add topics urls and titles
15:20 rubenwardy     *it
15:20 rubenwardy     However it has a high level of validation: if it can't find a basename and a download link, it aborts that mod (doesn't add it)
15:20 rubenwardy     so lots of topics are missed
15:21 rubenwardy     https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/blob/gh-pages/update_mods.py#L150
15:21 rubenwardy     just need to add      idx = url.find("&sid")     if idx:  url = url[:idx]   then ", " + title + ", " + url
15:22 twoelk         yeah, -    besides I haven't a clue how updates to such a list in a wiki page should be triggered
15:22 rubenwardy     you could output as mediawiki format and then update manually
15:23 twoelk         btw - could you also add list of subgames function?
15:24 rubenwardy     will do soon
15:24 rubenwardy     I need it for mtpm
15:24 rubenwardy     I'm also going to add subgames
15:24 rubenwardy     *texture packs
15:26 * twoelk       wonders wether a list of skins, sounds (or music media) or meshes would be of any use
15:28 rubenwardy     there's that skin repo
16:14 rubenwardy     Look what I found: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10418
16:14 rubenwardy     Apparently it was lost
16:24 freelikegnu    I wonder if it would make sense to add git support to MT
16:25 Calinou        for what?
16:26 rubenwardy     please delete this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10418
16:26 freelikegnu    so git repos could be pulled from within the game
16:26 freelikegnu    er projects, not repos
16:27 freelikegnu    git seems to be great for adding mods and games
16:28 freelikegnu    and many great mods are hosted on git repositories
16:28 freelikegnu    particularly github
16:29 rubenwardy     twoelk: https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/blob/gh-pages/subgames.csv
16:30 * twoelk       stops punching a tree and looks
16:30 freelikegnu    nice list, rubenwardy
16:31 rubenwardy     https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/blob/gh-pages/mods.csv too]
16:31 rubenwardy     oh crap
16:31 rubenwardy     http://en.wikipedia.org
16:32 freelikegnu    yup that is wikipedia
16:32 rubenwardy     I broke something :(
16:32 twoelk         hm, I got some 79 or so  listed here -> http://wiki.minetest.net/List_of_Subgames
16:33 twoelk         some subgames only live on github though
16:33 rubenwardy     yeah, it's only a forum parser
16:33 rubenwardy     and I need to fix download detection
16:33 twoelk         and probably not all work with mt-dev
16:34 rubenwardy     it's missing this link: https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game
16:34 rubenwardy     com'on
16:34 VanessaE       forum page for that one is https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9196
16:34 twoelk         can't remeber if some subgames use a dropbox link
16:35 rubenwardy     yeah
16:35 rubenwardy     I have code to detect that: https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/blob/gh-pages/common.py#L85
16:35 rubenwardy     But it's not working for dreambuilder for some reason :(
16:36 VanessaE       dreambuilder uses submodules, so you have to recursively clone it
16:36 rubenwardy     this is sort of depressing: https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/blob/gh-pages/common.py#L53-L54
16:39 freelikegnu    Calinou: here is something using git to manage mods for TES and such: https://loot.github.io/docs/0.7.0/LOOT%20Readme.html
16:39 twoelk         at the bottom of the wiki list of subgames there is also this link to history: http://minetest.org/data/gamezips/index.html
16:42 rubenwardy     weird, it doesn't even detect https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game
16:44 rubenwardy     it's because there's a syntax error
16:44 rubenwardy     stupid phpbb
16:46 twoelk         Is the internal name of Decoblocks by Thermal_Shock really R5 ?
16:46 rubenwardy     no :P
16:48 twoelk         and World by Wuzzy is actually "Tutorial"
16:48 Wuzzy          ??
16:48 Wuzzy          It's called "Tutorial World"
16:48 Wuzzy          or whatever you are talking about... lol
16:49 rubenwardy     the parser is still wip
16:49 rubenwardy     subgame especially
16:51 aerth          Who is alexxito and what is the password they used to temporarily break auth.txt (and prevent server from starting) ! :(
16:51 rubenwardy     error?
16:52 freelikegnu    Calinou: what was the reasoning for abandoning tin ore?
16:52 twoelk         hm the titel is "[Game]/[World] Tutorial [1.8.0]" how is a parser to conclude that is "Tutorial-World"?
16:52 Calinou        freelikegnu, steel is used by minetest_game
16:53 rubenwardy     Wuzzy, https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/
16:53 aerth          auth.txt error : http://hastebin.com/raw/oravitized
16:53 freelikegnu    Calinou: and what has that to do with tin?
16:54 Wuzzy          twoelk: The subgame is called "Tutorial", the world is called "Tutorial World". Also: Why the hell should I obey to parsers needs? o_O xD
16:54 Calinou        well, adding tin would create incompatibilities
16:54 Calinou        and people complaining "how do i make bronze" :/
16:54 aerth          btw rubenwardy i like the git support. bolt.cm does something like with their extensions
16:55 freelikegnu    in NG bronze is made from steel and copper.... and is an upgrade from steel.  It seems not right IMHO
16:55 twoelk         indeed the Tutorial is a special case
16:55 Calinou        Bolt looks nice
16:55 aerth          it is awesome
16:56 aerth          "never use wordpress again!" is not really their motto
16:56 rubenwardy     ah
16:56 rubenwardy     Unable to get basename from "[Game]/[World] Tutorial [1.8.0]"
16:56 rubenwardy     ("/" is not a valid basename)
16:57 rubenwardy     it was World before because I hadn't told it to ignore [World] tags
16:57 rubenwardy     hmmm
16:58 rubenwardy     works now
16:59 freelikegnu    Calinou: whats your feeling on removing bronze and crafting copper items as a lower tier to iron items made from iron ingots?
17:02 Calinou        meh
17:02 VanessaE       why not just add tin, silver and mithril to the game?
17:02 VanessaE       people like them
17:02 Calinou        I don't want to differ too much from minetest_game
17:02 Calinou        I might do that, but it won't be More Ores
17:02 Calinou        it'll be redone entirely
17:02 Calinou        because More Ores does things poorly
17:02 VanessaE       fair enough
17:02 freelikegnu    minetest_game makes bronze from steel and copper?!
17:02 Calinou        I'll just call it More Ores NG or such :p
17:02 VanessaE       as long as the node/item names are the same (or aliased)
17:03 VanessaE       freelikegnu: stupidly, yes
17:03 Calinou        or I could redo More Ores in a compatible way
17:03 freelikegnu    gads
17:07 freelikegnu    guess theres some work to do and a pull request for me to make this week :D
17:07 freelikegnu    I can only hope
17:08 VanessaE       Calinou: one thing though, I think you could safely drop the silver and tin tools :)
17:08 VanessaE       (but keep the mithril ones)
17:11 freelikegnu    I personally like the progression of wood, stone, bronze (from copper and say tin is magically combined), steel (from iron with carbon magically combined), etc...
17:12 aerth          silver and tin tools seem like they would break
17:12 freelikegnu    so you dont have to require tin or carbon to make bronze or steel and bronze does not end up as an upgrade over steel
17:12 aerth          lets get some adamantine and mithril
17:12 VanessaE       heh
17:13 freelikegnu    I also have other radical ideas, but they would disrupt the MT canon
17:14 freelikegnu    such as renaming mese as unobtanium
17:28 aerth          leverite = unminable
17:33 twoelk         aerth: very new clients seem to handle passwords differently than somewhat older ones - you might have run into that issue
17:33 aerth          thank u
17:33 aerth          i thought it was just a foreign character or an extra long pw or something
17:34 twoelk         could be or could be sometthing else :-D
17:35 twoelk         aerth: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2015-08-04#i_4350608 could be the same issue or completely unrelated ;-P
17:37 aerth          btw the server is running now that i removed the line from auth.txt
17:38 aerth          seems like a different issue.
17:38 aerth          the server can not start with the line in auth.txt
17:38 aerth          (nothing for the client to connect to)
17:39 aerth          your issue sounds like just storing the wrong password
17:39 aerth          leaving the server to be able to restarted again and again
17:40 twoelk         not exactly wrong password, rather security blasting a false positive
17:44 twoelk         if that was an old password that had worked before then I guess it should be added to est31's pile of possible SRP issues
17:44 aerth          ah good point
17:45 aerth          "was the password a new one."
17:49 aerth          that information is unavailable
17:49 twoelk         well was it a new player?
17:50 aerth          still checking
17:52 aerth          No the player is from july 31 , one of the oldest characters on the world
17:53 aerth          whatever if it happens again just remove the line ;D
18:01 twoelk         when did you last update the server? my problems started with a version from mid july
18:01 twoelk         july 2015
18:02 rubenwardy     hmmm https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/blob/gh-pages/lists/mods.csv#L392
18:02 twoelk         derp - strike that - was something different
18:14 rubenwardy     Sounds like SRP problems twoelk aerth
18:15 twoelk         that 's what I was assuming
18:27 twoelk         rubenwardy: a quickanddirty comparism  http://pastebin.com/jaZATFpL (sorry lost the links but the numbers corespond to the ones on the wikipage)
18:28 twoelk         *correspond
18:30 rubenwardy     I know some aren't there: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/af81eda2ff0931cd3690
18:30 rubenwardy     syntax errors on the forum is causing it to fail :(
18:33 twoelk         not complaining you are missing something - just looking for patterns
18:33 rubenwardy     phpbb is so broken :(
18:34 twoelk         GrailTest and Lux_Solis for example may use difficult characters in their name
18:35 rubenwardy     do they appear in the mod releases topic?
18:37 twoelk         the apostroph may also be a problem and maybe Vanessa's use of a tarball
18:40 twoelk         btw, Josh's game is called Cubes
18:40 VanessaE       apostrophes where?
18:43 exio4          how is everybody going
18:43 VanessaE       hi exio4
18:43 exio4          hi VanessaE, how is it going?
18:44 VanessaE       it's going ok
18:46 twoelk         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2742 for example uses "M13's Minecraft Classic For Minetest" as name
18:46 exio4          :P
18:46 rubenwardy     i've got around that
18:46 rubenwardy     What do you think this is: http://pasteboard.co/2uVYGrTH.png
18:47 rubenwardy     It should at least pick up VanessaE's github link. But it doesn't due to HTML syntax errors, it only shows viewtopic links.
18:47 twoelk         breackfast?
18:48 VanessaE       sorta looks like bacon, egg, and some vegetable
18:48 rubenwardy     yay
18:48 rubenwardy     well
18:48 Amaz           Sausage, bacon, beans and toast?
18:48 VanessaE       carrots maybe
18:49 rubenwardy     top-right is toast, left is sausage, bottom left is bacon, bottom right is beans.
18:49 VanessaE       interesting breakfast
18:49 H-H-H          looks like my toilet after a night out with the lads :P
18:49 VanessaE       here it would be bacon, eggs, toast, and sometimes a piece of fruit
18:49 rubenwardy     Not enough space for hash browns or egg
18:50 twoelk         yup, variant of british breackfast as I remember it
18:50 rubenwardy     yeah, it's for food_english
18:50 Amaz           :D
18:51 twoelk         you'd just have some bread and spread in northern germany - may be different in the south
18:51 rubenwardy     added eggs and hash browns
18:51 twoelk         or a pot of muessli
18:52 VanessaE       rubenwardy: don't forget to get meat from carbone_mobs.  Calinou:  chickens, eggs and milk? ;)
18:52 twoelk         uhm, what mod had beans? Solar's?
18:52 Calinou        VanessaE, sadly I'm busy, working on AwesomeBump translation, French translation of svgontheweb.com and more :(
18:52 VanessaE       :(
18:52 Calinou        AwesomeBump documentatipn*
18:52 Calinou        documentation**
18:53 rubenwardy     No mods have beans :(
18:53 VanessaE       Calinou: everyone keeps begging me to enable cakes and the like.  I need milk and eggs for that :P
18:53 rubenwardy     I love the textures for cupcakes in food_sweet
18:55 twoelk         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7307 <-beans     -     of some sort
18:55 VanessaE       haha
18:56 VanessaE       aeroponics used to have green beans I think
18:56 rubenwardy     Hmmm, also: plates
18:57 VanessaE       plates: easy.
18:57 VanessaE       homedecor:cutlery
18:57 VanessaE       (or cutlery_set, whatever I called it)
18:57 VanessaE       http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/homedecor-crafting-guide/kitchen-other.html
18:57 twoelk         I had always wondered if you could make plates or tabletops like signs - so that you can add different stuff to the same node
18:58 twoelk         like have one or two or.... plates on a table
18:58 VanessaE       twoelk: impossible to do it right, but the closest would be something similar to an item_frame
18:58 VanessaE       (where the "extra thing on top" is actually an entity attached to the base node)
18:59 twoelk         that was the idea
18:59 twoelk         never got to how to place or aline the stuff though
18:59 VanessaE       pull requests welcome ;)
19:00 twoelk         played with stacking partly transparent stuff
19:00 twoelk         bah, my grafik card didn'Ät approve of my grafic skills
19:01 xfceKris       Dan's Carbone Server needs to upgrade to allow more users.
19:02 xfceKris       15 isn't enough for a server as popular as that.
19:04 rubenwardy     thinking of making a food_cooking mod
19:05 rubenwardy     replaces crafting for making food
19:05 rubenwardy     so you actually have to use ovens, microwaves, frying pans, etc
19:05 VanessaE       interesting idea
19:05 VanessaE       but the problem is furnaces only take a single item as input
19:06 VanessaE       but then again you already mostly handle that
19:06 VanessaE       with e.g. cake batter and so on
19:06 rubenwardy     it would be a custom formspec etc
19:06 rubenwardy     a furnace is pure mod
19:06 rubenwardy     iirc
19:06 Sketch2        Vanessa, are you an admin on Stormchaser's skyblock?
19:06 VanessaE       Sketch2: yes
19:06 VanessaE       what'
19:06 VanessaE       what's up?
19:07 Sketch2        I think I botched my password when I created an acc't there
19:07 Sketch2        I just tried it out today.  I'm horrible with typing, and can't get in
19:07 VanessaE       one sec..
19:08 VanessaE       server looks pretty full at the moment but lemme try
19:09 rubenwardy     https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rubenwardy/food_english/master/textures/food_english_breakfast.png
19:09 VanessaE       Sketch2: try it now (/msg)
19:09 Sketch2        tyvm dear
19:10 Sketch2        hmm, nada.  still says invalid password
19:11 VanessaE       Sketch2: must be an SRP issue then
19:12 Sketch2        Serpy-derpy-nee-hoo?
19:12 Sketch2        (it's from Tommy Boy)
19:12 Sketch2        I dunno what SRP stands for
19:12 VanessaE       some password security protocol that est31 added.  causes conflicts with old clients.
19:13 Sketch2        Mine's runnig git, and I can log in as Dylan5 ok
19:13 VanessaE       well I just changed the password for "Sketch2" but maybe it broke..
19:14 VanessaE       have stormchaser delete your account entry from auth.txt and then re-create it
19:14 Sketch2        ok ty.  I'm not that worried 'bout it.  gonna get something to snack on
19:23 xfceKris       How does one get string from cotton?
19:23 VanessaE       just drop it in the crafting grid
19:24 xfceKris       Tried that, didn't work...maybe lag...
19:24 xfceKris       Yeah, no go.
19:25 Sketch2        ty V.  all's well now
19:25 VanessaE       good deal
19:26 xfceKris       nvm, figured out a work around. I guess Dan's Carbone excluded string, and just used cotton for a replacement.
20:52 MinetestBot    02[git] 04RealBadAngel -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix tiling issues for PLANTLIKE and FIRELIKE with FSAA 133295f3c http://git.io/vO1ip (152015-08-05T22:52:32+02:00)
20:54 freelikegnu    :o
21:32 premorphos     I have trouble making gunpowder, even tough i made a clean install. and i cant realy figure out whats wrong, am i lacking a mod prehaps?
21:39 freelikegnu    using coal and gravel I assume? http://wiki.minetest.net/Coal_Lump
21:39 premorphos     yes that iv alreay tryed
21:40 premorphos     exactly as the wiki sugested
21:41 freelikegnu    are you playing in single or multiplayer mode?
21:41 freelikegnu    it is disabled by default in mp mode
21:41 premorphos     single on linux os
21:41 premorphos     oooh
21:42 freelikegnu    you can force it with enable_tnt = true in games/minetest_game/minetest.conf
21:42 freelikegnu    see the example file
21:43 premorphos     ok il alter it now
21:43 freelikegnu    dont forget to use ppe
21:43 premorphos     ?
21:44 freelikegnu    personal protective equipment
21:44 freelikegnu    ;-)
21:44 premorphos     aah :)
21:44 freelikegnu    safety third!
21:45 premorphos     my minetest.conf is emty... still add  enable_tnt = true?
21:49 freelikegnu    yep
21:49 freelikegnu    its empty because its all defaults
21:49 freelikegnu    you can pick stuff from the example file to throw in there
21:49 freelikegnu    and change
21:50 premorphos     are you using linux?
21:50 freelikegnu    yep
21:51 premorphos     can you give me the location of the minetest.conf
21:51 premorphos     cant seem to find it
21:51 freelikegnu    did you install minetest from your package manager or compile it yourself?
21:52 premorphos     PM
21:52 freelikegnu    you can try ~/.minetest
21:52 freelikegnu    well ~/.minetest/games/minetest_game
21:53 premorphos     ooooh smart you naild it
21:54 freelikegnu    if you compile it yourself, you can set it to "run in place" where the src binaries and config are all in one folder
21:54 premorphos     that is neat
21:55 freelikegnu    it really is
21:55 freelikegnu    its not hard to compile and you get the latest greatest
21:55 premorphos     realy
21:56 premorphos     how do you do it?
21:56 freelikegnu    https://github.com/minetest/minetest scroll down to the readme
21:56 premorphos     kewl
21:56 freelikegnu    have you ever used git?
21:56 premorphos     nope not yet
21:57 premorphos     what is it
21:57 freelikegnu    well this is a good way to introduce yourself to it
21:57 freelikegnu    its kinda like your PM repository, but for source code
21:57 freelikegnu    but its also used to get subgames and mods for minetest
21:57 premorphos     wow no way.. that is awsome
21:58 freelikegnu    so if you learn git, then you will have a nice way to pull subgames and mods into your game
21:58 premorphos     man i just fall more and more in love with linux
21:59 freelikegnu    you can use git with windows but why bother
21:59 premorphos     but now its time to try the tnt.. i just added the line and im about ready to blow shit up :D
21:59 * freelikegnu  runs for cover
22:00 premorphos     ha ha tnx a bunch
22:00 freelikegnu    np
22:00 premorphos     4 the help
22:03 premorphos     what is the diferece of the map gens?
22:04 freelikegnu    don't know alot about them, except stick with v6 unless you have compiled the latest minetest or have a install a recent build package
22:06 freelikegnu    also checkout the carbone-ng subgame, you can pull that from github too
22:12 freelikegnu    once you install git you can  $ cd .minetest/games
22:13 freelikegnu    then $ git pull https://github.com/Calinou/carbone-ng.git
22:13 freelikegnu    and now you have a nice subgame that is up to date to play
22:14 freelikegnu    oops I meant cd ~/.mintest/games
22:15 premorphos     nice tnx alot
22:15 freelikegnu    no sweat
22:15 freelikegnu    oh hsit
22:15 freelikegnu    I also meant git clone https://github.com/Calinou/carbone-ng.git
22:15 freelikegnu    pull is for updating :P
22:16 premorphos     ah ok
22:18 freelikegnu    what distro are you running?
22:18 premorphos     of linux or minetest?
22:18 freelikegnu    of linux
22:19 premorphos     mint 17.4 i think
22:19 freelikegnu    ok
22:19 premorphos     you?
22:20 freelikegnu    xubuntu 14.04
22:20 freelikegnu    I think minetest may be old in those repositories
22:20 premorphos     nice xubuntu is nice
22:21 freelikegnu    my guess is you have mt 4.10 installed
22:21 premorphos     yea it could be
22:21 premorphos     nope 4.9
22:21 freelikegnu    there is a ppa and you can get 0.4.12 that way or best to compile yourself
22:23 premorphos     yea il think il do that... il try to stay away from the ppas cus they gave me trouble before
22:23 twoelk         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 <- use these to install or update to the latest minetest
22:23 twoelk         or rather compile the latest
22:24 freelikegnu    the instructions on the minetest git hub page show you what packages you will need to compile
22:24 premorphos     i likethe oneline comand
22:24 freelikegnu    that is pretty sweet twoelk
22:26 premorphos     ooh its working.... sweet Terminal.. like magic every time :)
22:28 freelikegnu    there were some nice improvement made within the last few months so :D
22:28 freelikegnu    especially for map generation
22:29 twoelk         of course there is also info here http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
22:30 freelikegnu    if you are using mapgen v7, you will want to use the lines for setting up the biome and mgv7 options from minetest.conf.example
22:31 freelikegnu    as I dont think v7 is the default mapgen yet
22:31 twoelk         btw the mapgen singlenode creates nothing and used for example if you import a map from elsewhere or want to play with skyblocks and the like
22:32 twoelk         both singlenode and mg7 need some mapgen mod to look nice
22:32 freelikegnu    carbone-ng has a nice one
22:33 freelikegnu    disclosure: I made one tiny patch for carbone-ng :D
22:33 twoelk         try some of these among others for some interesting results http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=mapgen
22:34 freelikegnu    I learn something new everyday
22:37 freelikegnu    I have to try watershed mapgen mod tonight
22:39 premorphos     how come the pakage maneger in mint gives me old versions of minetest?
22:39 twoelk         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11430 this one is not as spectacular as some of paramat's brilliant stuff but creats quite convincing landscapes
22:41 freelikegnu    ermahgerd
22:41 twoelk         becaus the manager that manages the package  manager is behind schedule?
22:41 freelikegnu    now I wont get any sleep
22:41 aerth          forum moderator pm me if u can help change my email
22:43 freelikegnu    at least xubuntu 14.04 had 0.4.10 ^^
22:43 freelikegnu    whatever, compiling and using git are worthwhile regardles
22:44 twoelk         expect 0.4.13 in the next weeks
22:44 premorphos     if i allready had a copy of minetest installd from mint PM, and then run the comand from https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 it not conflict?
22:44 freelikegnu    were new subgames ever decided on?
22:44 premorphos     will it not conflict?
22:44 freelikegnu    do the run in place
22:45 premorphos     ?
22:45 freelikegnu    in that oneliner forum post there is a run-in-place version
22:45 twoelk         save your worlds folder to somewhere save
22:45 freelikegnu    oh
22:46 twoelk         you can have parallel installs with the run in place option
22:47 twoelk         to test and compare versions for example
22:47 premorphos     ooh yes nice its updated
22:47 premorphos     4.12
22:47 twoelk         don't forget the leading zero
22:47 premorphos     aah 0.4.12
22:47 freelikegnu    heh, I dont think he did the run-in-place script
22:48 premorphos     nope i didnt
22:48 premorphos     to much of a noobe
22:48 premorphos     noob
22:49 freelikegnu    it not that, just how you want it installed...
22:49 twoelk         run-in-place is good for running from a portable device
22:50 premorphos     aah . nope i did the outer one
22:50 premorphos     what ells should i install wile im at it?
22:51 premorphos     did the mini game carbone
22:51 aerth          xban
22:54 twoelk         World-Edit is always usefull in singleplayer
22:55 premorphos     cool how do i get it.. abd how do i get valleys mapgen?
22:55 aerth          is there a reason copy and paste doesn't go from outside minetest inside (or the other way around)
22:55 Breballlove    hi jump
22:55 premorphos     and the outer mods like ore
22:55 aerth          :D
22:56 twoelk         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=572 <- WE
22:58 premorphos     what is the github comand to get it?
22:58 twoelk         be carefull though, WE is a wonderfull tool to completely wreck the most beautifull buildings
22:58 premorphos     pull?
22:58 aerth          omg i accidently wrecked some kids house on my server
22:58 aerth          right infront of him
22:59 aerth          with worldedit
22:59 premorphos     ha ha ok il use it with caution
22:59 cornernote     anyone know what this means?  server.cpp:511: void Server::step(float): A fatal error occurred: Lua: error in error handling
22:59 aerth          I been seeing that lots
23:00 aerth          http://hastebin.com/raw/dexaxowusu
23:00 cornernote     did you report it on github as an issue ?
23:01 freelikegnu    git clone
23:02 freelikegnu    github is just a git repository
23:02 freelikegnu    git is a software that can work with many git repositories
23:02 freelikegnu    github just happens to be very popular
23:03 premorphos     oooh i see
23:03 freelikegnu    linus torvalds created git to aid development of linux code
23:04 twoelk         or - just download the zips and extract the mods or subgames or texturepacks or maps into the correct folder
23:05 cornernote     aerth - similar Leftover data in yours.. i think its caused by getCraftingResult()
23:05 freelikegnu    the advandage of git for modding starts with just running $ git pull
23:06 freelikegnu    inside the folder of the mod or subgame
23:06 freelikegnu    and it gets really cool when you have forked a mod or game and want to push your changes back out to the world
23:07 freelikegnu    there RealWorld I mean
23:08 cornernote     aerth - i made a github issue for it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3011
23:09 premorphos     :)
23:09 aerth          woohoo
23:10 twoelk         btw this wip script by rubenwardy allready lists about half the known mods https://github.com/rubenwardy/mtpm_lists/blob/gh-pages/lists/mods.csv
23:10 aerth          premorphos: (and anyone) checkout github.com's explore feature
23:12 aerth          WOW flatgen is flat
23:15 Breballlove    aerth
23:16 freelikegnu    I really hope someday minetest is bunldle with a major distro
23:16 twoelk         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9772 superflat is flatter :-D
23:18 Breballlove    Aerth?
23:18 Breballlove    Aerth
23:19 Viper          how do i disable Guest accounts ?
23:20 aerth          Attempt to access external file ./worlds/world-vanilla/auth.txt with mod security on.
23:20 Breballlove    is it up   yet?
23:20 Viper          so Guest can't connect
23:21 aerth          require password
23:21 aerth          i think disallow_empty_password
23:21 Breballlove    >_<
23:22 Viper          that is set already, you can't connect with empty pass
23:23 aerth          oh you mean so people cant choose the name Guest####
23:23 Viper          yeah
23:27 aerth          dunno
23:27 Viper          aerth:  thanks for trying to help
23:28 twoelk         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8004 <-no_guests
23:30 Viper          twoelk:  thanks!!!
23:33 Viper          strange i have this mod, maybe its out of date
23:53 Sketch2        I dunno if my internet is runing.  can someone verify that I'm being heard?
23:56 dzho           Sketch2: I see you using IRC.  Is that what you mean?
23:56 xfceKris       I see you to Sketch2
23:56 xfceKris       too*
23:57 Sketch2        ty.  my connection keeps dropping out.  maybe it's good now