Time  Nick             Message
00:12 VanessaE         AndroidKris: it ... adds normalmaps :)
00:12 VanessaE         they're a sort of depth information, gives a texture more... texture :)
00:13 AndroidKris      How does that work if I'm using say...the 256 pack?
00:15 twoelk           how does a normalmap work technically or how to install and toggle?
00:16 AndroidKris      both? 0.o
00:16 Sketch2          it maps the height out to red and blue values, then when applied it makes the scene appear to have the added depth without adding polygons
00:16 AndroidKris      I'll google the technicals of normalmaps
00:16 AndroidKris      brb
00:21 Sketch2          I'm kinda surprised there'd be normal mapping in Minetest
00:21 VanessaE         AndroidKris: you just drop the PNG files into the HDX directory and enable "Shaders" and "Bumpmapping"  (and ONLY those two), and they activate.  Any size normalmap can be used with any size of texture, but too far off and it'll look bad of course
00:23 Sketch2          You use it a lot in Blender
00:23 Sketch2          there are some YouTube clips that explain how it's used in there
00:29 MinetestBot      paramat: 07-16 22:35 UTC <Jordach> https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/8591e120abf361cbd7171bb51a77b61289d3e72b
00:32 paramat          Routh best discuss here since it's modding =)
00:33 Routh            Ah, sorry.
00:33 paramat          apart from that error, any other problems with your biome system?
00:34 Routh            I have a lot of tweaking to do. Right now trying to figure out why my sticky_tar_block will not generate on that biome. It gets replaced by dirt. Yet I can drop the block in game.
00:38 Routh            Oh, hmm. I can place that block but not pick it up. Maybe that's why mapgen refuses to use it
00:43 paramat          dirt is the fallback node if a biome node fails
00:44 twoelk           fail results in dirt, sounds legit
00:46 swift110         hey guys
01:09 AndroidKris      Anyone know how to update multiple git clones in one terminal command?
01:10 AndroidKris      Like for all the mods I have downloaded for example
01:25 xfceKris         Now how do I add this nick to my registered nicks
01:26 xfceKris         sweet. got it
01:28 swift110         no idea
01:28 swift110         anyone here doing really well with mturk?
01:28 swift110         oh my bad
01:29 Jordach          http://store.steampowered.com/app/365670 ಠ_à²
01:29 Jordach          !title
01:29 MinetestBot      Jordach: Blender on Steam
01:30 Jordach          you heard me#]
01:32 MinetestBot      02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Conf.example: Update mgv7 noise parameters 138b472fd http://git.io/vYJdW (152015-07-22T02:29:26+01:00)
01:43 cornernote       hi
01:44 cornernote       do flowes grow on their own via an abm in minetest_game ?
01:44 est31            yes
01:44 est31            but the abm isnt on flowers
01:45 est31            rather it searches for plants near the node, and then plants.
01:45 cornernote       what if there are no plants ?
01:46 cornernote       eg, skyblock
01:46 cornernote       wondering if i need my own abm
01:46 est31            nothing happens then, but im not sure
02:01 FreeFull         Yes, there needs to be an original plant that spreads
02:02 FreeFull         You also need dirt
02:02 FreeFull         You'll need to give yourself a single flower, or have a mod that enables you to somehow get one
02:04 cornernote       i spawn junglegrass
02:05 cornernote       and i turn dirt into dirt_with_grass
02:05 cornernote       when its got air above it
02:05 cornernote       so i think they should spawn eventually
02:09 cornernote       same with papyrus and cactus, i think i need to keep my ambs for those
02:10 cornernote       how do they spawn in minetest_game?  i cant see any abm for them... is it only via mapgen ?
02:12 Sokomine         oh, hi cornernote
02:13 cornernote       hey Sokomine
02:13 cornernote       seen the Items on the Skyblock page
02:14 cornernote       https://cornernote.github.io/minetest-skyblock/items/
02:14 cornernote       shows all the crafts, eg https://cornernote.github.io/minetest-skyblock/items/wool-magenta/
02:15 cornernote       and even support for crafts that require an item in multiple groups, eg https://cornernote.github.io/minetest-skyblock/items/group-dye,basecolor-magenta/
02:18 VanessaE         cornernote: nice to see you around
02:20 cornernote       hey VanessaE
02:22 cornernote       im looking for someone who is familiar with minetest_game ABMs so I can cleanup some of the obsolete ABMs in skyblock
02:22 VanessaE         beats me :)
02:22 cornernote       haha, i thought you'd be the first person to ask ?!
02:22 VanessaE         my game is really just a glorified modpack with a few tweaks to the default mod :)
02:23 * Jordach        whistles
02:23 Jordach          >3:23am
02:24 Jordach          seems like i'm able to stay up beyond normal human limits
02:25 Pilcrow182       Jordach: I normally go to bed around 4 or 5 am...  :P
02:25 cornernote       i watched the 100 last night until 5:30
02:25 cornernote       lay my head on the pillow afterwards, then almost immediately the kids woke up and came in our room
02:26 cornernote       not much sleep for me
02:26 Pilcrow182       lol cornernote. how old are your kids?
02:43 OldCoder         cornernote, u r back
02:43 OldCoder         Hasn't it been 3 years?
02:43 OldCoder         o/
02:44 * OldCoder       will be here later
03:21 cornernote       hey OldCoder
03:21 cornernote       yeah, its been a while
03:23 cornernote       Pilcrow182, the younger ones (that storm the bedroom 1st thing every morning) are 2 and 3 years
03:28 Sokomine         cornernote: quite a lot of craftable items :-)
03:28 OldCoder
03:29 Sokomine         VanessaE: oh, your game is a subgame with almost each mod that's worth taking installed :)
03:29 Sokomine         hi oldcoder
03:29 OldCoder         Sokomine
03:29 VanessaE         Sokomine: yeah but it could in theory be re-released as a modpack too :P
03:29 OldCoder         Sokomine, we should duplicate redcrab while it is possible
03:29 OldCoder         You know it will go down
03:30 cornernote       Sokomine - mostly from minetest_game
03:30 Sokomine         OldCoder: yes :-( i still have no good idea for the reconstruction of mapblocks where some old chunks exist...
03:30 Sokomine         only idea is to generate a very large map with a new mapgen and then copy them over. but that's not very feasible. might be far too large
03:31 Sokomine         cornernote: hm, didn't i post some screenshots of the new version somewhere? perhaps in screenshots...and that's too big to search
03:43 MinetestBot      02[git] 04RobertZenz -> 03minetest/minetest: Add note that chat messages can be marked as handled. 134eacce5 http://git.io/vYUcB (152015-07-22T05:43:30+02:00)
04:11 Sokomine         if anyone has a good solution as how to best continue with a partially saved map with mapgen not beeing singlenode/air...
04:20 xfceKris         VanessaE, what settings shoul I use if I'm using normalmaps?
04:21 VanessaE         xfceKris: if you don't know whether your pack supports parallax mapping (most don't), then just "shaders" and "bumpmapping".
04:21 xfceKris         I'm using hdx-256
04:21 VanessaE         ok then just that ^^^
04:22 VanessaE         HDX normalmaps are kinda crappy to begin with, and they don't support parallax at all
04:22 VanessaE         (well to me they're crappy anyways)
04:23 xfceKris         just shaders and bumpmapping. Do I have to do anything with the images in the normalmaps folder? Like copy them Into the hdx-256 folder?
04:23 xfceKris         iirc you said something about that earlier.
04:25 xfceKris         I also have trilinear filtering and Ansio filtering on.
04:41 VanessaE         yep just copy the normalmap PNGs into the same dir as the textures
04:43 cornernote       so with flowers... seems a given type of flower will spread, but it wont spawn new types of flowers
04:44 cornernote       the first one has to be spawned
04:44 cornernote       and the first one comes from mapgen
04:53 cornernote       how does farming work?  i hoe the ground and it turns to soil, but then what ?
04:53 cornernote       it just turns back to dirt
04:55 sofar            cornernote: plant something before it turns back to dirt
04:55 swift110-phone   Ok
05:01 Pilcrow182       cornernote: if you dig grass there is a chance of getting wheat seeds, and if you dig junglegrass there is a chance of getting cotton seeds. you hoe the ground, making sure the soil is close to water (within 5 nodes, I think?) and then you plant one of these seeds in it.
05:06 mazal            Isn't it 3 nodes from water ?
05:07 mazal            I seem to recall my cotton that was further than 3 nodes didn't grow  fully
05:07 mazal            Wheat grows even without water , but not cotton
05:35 xfceKris         I thought there would be more lag with shaders, normalmaps and bumpmapping on with the 256 hdx pack, but it's really not bad, plus it looks amazing...I'll probably turn off normalmaps though, I don't see much difference with or without it.
05:37 xfceKris         Also, Every time I load the game using any hdx texture pack, it errors when building texture Plasmascreen_back.png VanessaE
05:37 xfceKris         I hope you see this, cause I'm off to bed now.
05:40 swift110-phone   Ok
06:09 wilkgr           Boo.
06:12 wilkgr           Hmm...
06:12 wilkgr           My minetest can't connect to any servers.
06:12 wilkgr           "ERROR: Connection timed out"
06:17 Reviire          So this is popular?
06:21 wilkgr           This channel? Yes.
06:21 VanessaE         wuite so.
06:22 Reviire          I meant the game
06:23 wilkgr           Ah.
06:23 Reviire          What's it like now? I came across it randomly, and it seems cool
06:23 Reviire          Minecraft runs like utter crap
06:23 wilkgr           Haha
06:23 wilkgr           Very fast, and stable
06:23 wilkgr           (the dev version was more stable for me!!)
06:25 Reviire          Going by minecraft development, what stage would it be at now?
06:26 wilkgr           Hm....
06:26 wilkgr           You might need to install a couple of mods to get it as close as possible
06:26 wilkgr           I was just looking at the hoppers mod
06:26 wilkgr           The equivalent of redstone is the mesecons mod
06:27 wilkgr           It has beds and tnt (the two most important parts) and more tools
06:27 wilkgr           Minecraft does not have MESE tools!
06:27 wilkgr           It runs quicker as it does not run on Java
06:27 wilkgr           like mc
06:28 Reviire          Minecraft was also coded by a 12 year old
06:28 wilkgr           The easiest thing to do is to download it and try it
06:28 Reviire          Effooooort
06:28 wilkgr           Mojang was bought up my Microsoft
06:28 wilkgr           haha
06:28 wilkgr           Well, mods are easier to install
06:28 Reviire          Well atleast it'll go somewhere now
06:28 wilkgr           (builtin mod manager)
06:29 Reviire          I'm annoyed Bungie sold Halo to 343
06:29 * wilkgr         clears throat
06:29 wilkgr           In some places it surpasses mc (e.g. mod support), while in others it lags behind.
06:30 wilkgr           One of the best mods is homedecor (Heads up: VanessaE, I like it!), which adds sofas, tvs, etc.
06:31 Reviire          I might give it a try when it gets some big mods. I like minecraft because of things like Thaumcraft
06:31 wilkgr           "big mods"?
06:32 wilkgr           you can have subgames
06:32 wilkgr           in other words, giant collections of mods
06:33 wilkgr           Say, Carbone
06:33 wilkgr           Is one example
06:33 Reviire          I dunno. But this looks like a cool project.
06:33 wilkgr           It is,
06:33 Reviire          Check out Thaumcraft, though, just so you get what i'm saying
06:33 wilkgr           It definetly is
06:33 wilkgr           Take a look at the subgames section of the minetest wiki
06:34 wilkgr           http://www.minetest.net/subgames
06:34 wilkgr           One cool is https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9036
06:34 wilkgr           Here's the subforum for games: https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=15
06:35 wilkgr           You can find nearly every game there....
06:37 Reviire          It looks cool, but not enough content yet for me, nor something like Optifine, which adds neat graphical things
06:37 Reviire          Like non-repeating textures
06:38 VanessaE         Reviire: add mods
06:38 VanessaE         there's tons of content available
06:38 MyTeke_ChrisWMas WOW
06:38 wilkgr           There is
06:38 Reviire          I mean, even in the mods
06:38 VanessaE         and we don't need optifine, we have in-engine graphics effects
06:38 Reviire          I'll follow it though, i guess
06:38 VanessaE         and in-engine support for any texture sizes, etc
06:38 Reviire          Is it going to stay free forever, or will I need to pay some time?
06:38 * wilkgr         thanks VanessaE for taking over the conversation
06:38 wilkgr           Yes, free forever
06:38 VanessaE         (I make HDX for example, which is 512px and requires no engine modifications to use)
06:39 VanessaE         it all forever be free.
06:39 VanessaE         there has been some discussion about in-engine non-repeating textures, too
06:39 VanessaE         not sure where that went though
06:40 Reviire          That's probably the big thing for me, it looks a bit like alpha minecraft right now.
06:40 Reviire          In terms of graphics, not content
06:41 wilkgr           INstall new textures
06:41 Reviire          It's not the textures that are the problem, it's more the atmosphere lol. I like to get immersed
06:41 wilkgr           I do not understand
06:42 Reviire          Eh, it doesn't really matter. Can you donate?
06:42 Reviire          Oh there it is, I might donate some time
06:43 wilkgr           Just, try it sometime (the game, not the donate button, I mean)
06:43 Reviire          Apparantly i've already downloaded it so whatever
06:43 VanessaE         define "atmosphere"
06:44 VanessaE         make sure you have a recent version, and come try my "Basic-plus" server sometime
06:44 VanessaE         plenty of structures and creative work here
06:44 Reviire          Like, things that get you immersed into the game, so you feel like you're there. Like Amnesia or Starbound
06:44 wilkgr           Minecraft is too blocky
06:44 VanessaE         Reviire: just give it a try
06:45 wilkgr           That is the best suggestion, VanessaE
06:45 Reviire          It is a bit, but it can still be immersive. Lots of ambient sounds and graphical effects for the enviroment
06:45 Reviire          I've started it
06:45 wilkgr           ok
06:45 * wilkgr         plays roll of drums
06:45 wilkgr           Whaddaya think?
06:46 Reviire          Seems like a cool game, the graphics are really simple though :v
06:46 Reviire          Like, alpha minecraft.
06:46 Calinou          Reviire, use texture packs
06:46 VanessaE         Reviire: download a good texture pack like HDX, Sphax, HavenNG etc
06:46 Calinou          https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-256
06:46 Reviire          Isn't Sphax for minecraft?
06:46 Reviire          Also, it's not the texture packs
06:46 VanessaE         there is a Minetest port ofit.
06:46 Calinou          there was a version of Sphax for Minetest but it's outdated now
06:46 Reviire          I don't mine the textures, I don't really notice
06:46 Reviire          Mind, rather.
06:47 Calinou          the author basically went on the forums for 3 days then left, as usual :P
06:47 Calinou          he did the same thing back in 2011, without releasing anything
06:47 Reviire          It runs better though, lmao
06:47 wilkgr           It doesn't use Java. Full stop.
06:47 VanessaE         Calinou: any chance I could talk you into adding chickens and pigs to carbone_mobs' selection of peaceful MOBs?
06:48 Calinou          Reviire, yes, Minecraft does perform better, it's more optimized
06:48 Calinou          VanessaE, if you find me good models, sure!
06:48 VanessaE         it's got plenty of hostile stuff but so very little on  the peaceful side :P
06:48 Calinou          I'd like chickens/pigs/cows
06:48 Reviire          I meant this ran better.
06:48 VanessaE         Calinou: use the ones in MOBF ?
06:48 Reviire          Minecraft runs like crap
06:48 Calinou          wow, no... those are ugly
06:48 Calinou          I want something that fits the style
06:48 VanessaE         haha ok
06:48 Reviire          Minecraft is nearly unplayable for me, whenever people ask me to play it.
06:48 Calinou          maybe I could use the Mobs Redo chicken model
06:49 wilkgr           haha
06:49 Reviire          I get a higher framerate in new games
06:49 wilkgr           Don't forget to end your sub for minecraft
06:49 wilkgr           or your money will be slowly but surely flowing away
06:49 Reviire          Sub?
06:49 VanessaE         Calinou: here ya go ;)  http://www.3dcadbrowser.com/download.aspx?3dmodel=1869
06:49 Reviire          I bought it
06:50 Calinou          VanessaE, haha, no
06:50 wilkgr           I thought it's a subscription based think
06:50 Calinou          only Realms is subscription-based
06:50 Calinou          hey, I still have a Minecraft premium account...
06:50 Calinou          but I didn't use it since 2014
06:50 wilkgr           haha
06:50 Reviire          I'd be surprised if they made people who bought it back in 2011 pay a subscription
06:50 VanessaE         I've never touched Minecraft.
06:50 Calinou          Reviire, low FPS? heresy: https://lut.im/MlEBLiVA/M9Qn7VOj
06:50 Calinou          (look at bottom right)
06:51 Reviire          What even is that
06:51 wilkgr           The nearest I've come is the pi version, which for some reason makes me jump (ig) when I hit walk into 1-high blocks...
06:51 Calinou          the Pi version is a joke
06:51 Reviire          It looks like Quake a little, to be honest
06:51 Calinou          Reviire, it's Cube 2: Sauerbraten
06:52 Calinou          game runs easily at 1000 fps here
06:52 Reviire          Never heard of it
06:52 Calinou          http://sauerbraten.org
06:52 Calinou          development is mostly dead, but still fun to play
06:52 wilkgr           Ich habe keinen hunger, Calinou!
06:52 wilkgr           Oh, it's a game
06:52 * wilkgr         facepalms
06:59 Reviire          Can you donate anything but euros?
06:59 VanessaE         no idea
07:05 Calinou          Reviire, currency gets automatically converted via PayPal
07:08 Reviire          The more you know*
07:27 Calinou          happy 3rd birthday Minetest 0.4!
07:27 Calinou          (I think)
07:40 xenkey           Happy b-day mt
07:41 wilkgr           Reviire donated on MT's birthday, and didn't know it know it was the birthday...
07:45 Reviire          I haven't donated yet, I said I might
07:45 Reviire          I don't have any cash on me
07:45 Reviire          Not online anyway
07:45 VanessaE         kinda surprised there's no BTC option.
07:46 Reviire          Bitcoin is still a thing?
07:46 Reviire          I don't see it used outside of .onion sites, to be honest
07:46 VanessaE         of course
07:46 VanessaE         lots of places use it now
07:47 Calinou          meh, it was a thing of 2013
07:47 Calinou          maybe you like downloading 30GB of blockchain
07:47 VanessaE         use litecoin or doge then :)
07:48 Calinou          Dogecoin made a smart choice actually, but it's dead
07:48 Calinou          so is Litecoin (since mining isn't worth it anymore)
07:48 VanessaE         besides, the block chain is 45GB now :P
07:49 VanessaE         I wish Pandacoin hadn't died.  that was a good system they had going.  then everything went to hell
07:53 Calinou          HDX-256 is 173 MB
07:53 Calinou          that means the Bitcoin blockchain is 260 times larger
07:58 amadin           Does it possibility to see players last login date, i not find any mods of this.
07:58 amadin           ?
07:58 wilkgr           I dunno, /last-login works in moontest
07:58 amadin           i not use moontest
07:59 wilkgr           I meant the server, but apart from that, absolutely no idea apart from the log, debug.txt
07:59 Calinou          /last-login is in builtin AFAIK
08:00 wilkgr           ok
08:02 amadin           Calinou thanks, it work, but where server find date and time? from minetest.log?
08:48 JamesTait        Good morning all; happy Hammock Day! 😃
08:49 wilkgr           Hammock day? never heard of it!
08:49 VanessaE         now you  have :)
08:49 wilkgr           Yes, now I have
08:49 wilkgr           Calendar - 22 July - Hammock day
08:49 wilkgr           WHoops, I should be putting that into gmail...
09:28 wilkgr           An interesting mod would be to have tnt to explode whenever you die...
09:32 ThatGraemeGuy    suicide bombing griefers incoming
09:33 wilkgr           No, what I mean is when someone dies, a tnt gets placed there (but not lit)
09:33 ThatGraemeGuy    maybe no node damage but your inventory is exploded around the area you die if you are carring TNT
09:33 xenkey           And that's why you said explode isn't it
09:33 ThatGraemeGuy    more TNT = bigger blast radius
09:34 xenkey           http://strawpoll.me/4994314
09:35 * ThatGraemeGuy  votes
09:37 * wilkgr         votes Potato
09:37 * wilkgr         lied
09:37 * wilkgr         voted Yes, of course, why not?
09:37 xenkey           Interesting
09:37 xenkey           This was a social experiment
09:37 wilkgr           uh-huh
09:38 wilkgr           Make more of 'em
09:38 xenkey           People who vote potato don't care at all, they just think it's funny
09:38 xenkey           If I removed the option It'd be a fair vote
09:38 wilkgr           I really voted yes
09:38 xenkey           I know
09:38 xenkey           Isn't that interesting though?
09:38 wilkgr           Yep
09:38 xenkey           Most people went for the option that doesn't answer the question at all
09:38 ThatGraemeGuy    is a Pi up to the task?
09:38 xenkey           ThatGraemeGuy: Of course
09:38 wilkgr           Yes, it is
09:39 ThatGraemeGuy    cool
09:39 xenkey           Anyone here remember the Zenith server?
09:39 wilkgr           It was used to build a hogwarts map
09:39 ThatGraemeGuy    how much ram do they have these days?
09:39 wilkgr           Mine has 512 mb
09:39 xenkey           That was run on a datacenter class Pi variant
09:39 xenkey           Mine has 1GB
09:39 wilkgr           Only 2 users can log in at once
09:41 rubenwardy       A Hogwarts server would be interesting
09:41 rubenwardy       Could do tournements etc
09:41 rubenwardy       It wouldn't be so much of a sandbox game though
09:41 rubenwardy       s/server/subgame and server/
09:41 wilkgr           I meant a map, on which 2 people worked on, using a server, and the server was the Raspberry Pi
09:41 rubenwardy       I know
09:42 rubenwardy       You'd need a map too
09:42 rubenwardy       The problem is that there's not much room in Minetest for other games
09:42 rubenwardy       other than voxel MC clones
09:42 rubenwardy       ie: an alarming amount of people try to build houses on my CTF server
09:43 ThatGraemeGuy    hunger games-style games are quite interesting
09:43 wilkgr           CTF?
09:43 ThatGraemeGuy    i suck at them, but interesting nonetheless
09:43 rubenwardy       Another problem is that Hogworts will be trademarked
09:43 ThatGraemeGuy    capture the flag I suppose
09:43 rubenwardy       yeah
09:44 wilkgr           ok, thanks
09:44 rubenwardy       I recently watched all 8 movies in 5 days
09:44 rubenwardy       brb
09:45 wilkgr           sure
09:52 rubenwardy       back
10:15 rubenwardy       !mod magic
10:15 MinetestBot      rubenwardy: Magican [magican] by Mitroman - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9015
10:15 wilkgr           What's that?
10:16 wilkgr           I want to see how that works...
10:16 wilkgr           !mod mesecons
10:16 MinetestBot      wilkgr: Mesecons (= redstone) [minetest-mod-mesecons] by Jeija - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=628
10:16 wilkgr           wow
10:16 wilkgr           cool
10:16 rubenwardy       !mod mana
10:16 MinetestBot      rubenwardy: Mana [mana] by Wuzzy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11154
10:17 rubenwardy       I wish Minetest was more of a free voxel engine rather than a cubic voxel engine :(
10:17 Calinou          you can use meshnodes...
10:18 rubenwardy       It's slow. I'm talking more about hiding the cubes in a landscape
10:18 rubenwardy       etc
10:18 rubenwardy       like in ME
10:19 rubenwardy       http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/15/jan/medievalengineers.jpg
10:19 rubenwardy       You can't see the voxels there
10:36 rubenwardy       Damn
10:36 rubenwardy       :'(
10:36 rubenwardy       There are a lot of inconsistancies in the hogwarts map :'(
10:36 rubenwardy       * inaccuracies
10:36 rubenwardy       I guess it is a massive project to undergo
10:39 xenkey           I'm compiling ZFS for my Arch Pi box
10:40 rubenwardy       !mod steel
10:40 MinetestBot      rubenwardy: Steel [steel] by minetesting - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2014
10:43 xenkey           Should I just use raspbian?
10:44 rubenwardy       the level of detail is so high, though...
10:45 RealBadAngel     rubenwardy, theres lotsa space for inventions even in voxel engines
10:45 RealBadAngel     fps shooter made with voxel engine is one of them
10:45 rubenwardy       How's the VBO patch going?
10:46 RealBadAngel     lyin on the shelf, there are more important issues to solve before
10:46 RealBadAngel     also, cornernote seems to be ressurected
10:46 rubenwardy       bugs fixing is unfortunately more important than performance.
10:47 RealBadAngel     good occasion to make skyblock been supplied with default builds
10:47 RealBadAngel     and it is a different game
10:48 RealBadAngel     rubenwardy, VBO itself may introduce new bugs on its own
10:48 rubenwardy       yeah
10:48 RealBadAngel     better to get rid of old ones than welcome new ones
10:49 RealBadAngel     i do have several issues open, need to close them,then i will think on VBO again
10:53 everamzah        i
10:59 rubenwardy       !mod rpg
10:59 MinetestBot      rubenwardy: Could not find anything.
11:10 Krock            rubenwardy, Minetest is an RPG..
11:10 rubenwardy       not in the way I was thinking
12:55 reborn           hi this is a test
12:56 VanessaE         wrong network, reborn
12:56 reborn           ??
12:56 VanessaE         this is freenode
12:56 VanessaE         you need irc.inchra.net.
12:57 rubenwardy       this is the official minetest channel
12:57 rubenwardy       however server channels are on inchra.net
12:58 reborn           What how do i get there??
12:58 rubenwardy       1. Click hexchat top left
12:58 rubenwardy       2. click network list
12:59 rubenwardy       3. click add new
12:59 rubenwardy       4.name the entry
12:59 rubenwardy       5. click edit
12:59 VanessaE         morning, rubenwardy
12:59 rubenwardy       6. edit newserver/6667 to be irc.inchra.net/6667
12:59 rubenwardy       morning
13:00 VanessaE         rubenwardy: so, has NBE morphed into a Blender plug-in yet? ;)
13:00 rubenwardy       painful :(
13:00 VanessaE         aw
13:00 VanessaE         I was just kidding
13:00 rubenwardy       I was only ever planing on using Blender to optimise meshes
13:00 rubenwardy       yeah ;)
13:02 jojoa1997        hi
13:02 VanessaE         hey jojoa
13:05 rubenwardy       long time no see
13:06 xenkey           Raspbian is such a load of shit
13:07 rubenwardy       !g Raspbian
13:07 MinetestBot      rubenwardy: https://www.raspbian.org/
13:11 TBC_x            arch linux ARM ftw
13:11 TBC_x            I ordered three Raspberries
13:11 TBC_x            but my MMC reader has issues with timing
13:13 TBC_x            so I had to steal someone's laptop with ubuntu
13:15 TBC_x            wow, strange collision detection bug
13:15 VanessaE         it's minetest
13:15 VanessaE         any collision bug is unsurprising :)
13:15 TBC_x            yeah, that's reasnable excuse
13:16 VanessaE         which bug though?
13:16 TBC_x            i fell inide a node while jumping from a certain angle
13:16 TBC_x            too difficult to reproduce though
13:21 jojoa1997        so I am taking C#. I hope it is similiar enough to C++ that I could start working on minetest
13:21 TBC_x            c#?
13:21 TBC_x            that c#?
13:21 jojoa1997        learning. It is what i am using in my internship
13:21 Calinou          C# is quite different
13:21 TBC_x            look at rust
13:21 Calinou          to be honest, both C# and Java feature a C++-like syntax
13:21 Calinou          but there's still lots of differences
13:22 TBC_x            http://rust-lang.org
13:23 Calinou          it's slower than Java in most cases
13:23 jojoa1997        I know I will be taking C++ in the spring
13:24 jojoa1997        unless it gets too full quickly
13:27 TBC_x            damn... it is quite hard to get minetest memory usage over 1.2G
13:28 init             Calinou: can you stop ranking languages by their `performance`?
13:28 VanessaE         TBC_x: HDX512 + dreambuilder will solve your troubles :D
13:28 init             I don't see people out there ranking houses by the sizes of the toilets
13:28 TBC_x            but I need at least 4 fps
13:28 init             I don't know a freaking analogy that can show your BS that is
13:29 VanessaE         you want > 1.2GB, that combo can push up to 10x as much :D  (and you still get decent frame rates too)
13:29 Calinou          init, yes, we all want sites that take 4 seconds to even reply /s
13:30 init             Calinou: that's not part of the language itself, and you can have "other things" changing there, like the libraries being used
13:30 jojoa1997        I have to agree with init
13:30 TBC_x            but maybe top just doesn't show RAM+swap, but just RAM
13:30 Calinou          we should pick the best language for the task (low-level/medium-level/high-level), but not all languages are worth it...
13:31 VanessaE         "It's hardware that makes a machine fast.  It's software that makes a fast machine slow."
13:31 init             picking a language just because it's low-level or not is basically also bullshit
13:31 VanessaE         TBC_x: it doesn't.  Swap is counted separately.
13:31 init             VanessaE: software is not a programming language
13:31 init             VanessaE: software is something you write with a programming language
13:32 VanessaE         yeah, which is exactly why you have to consider the performance of your chosen programming language.
13:32 init             the fact, that also, optimizations are _totally_ dependent of the thing you are working on
13:32 rubenwardy       higher level means more machine code per instruction
13:32 rubenwardy       you can't manually optimise, you rely on the machine to do so
13:32 TBC_x            compiler unoptimized higher level  means more machine code per instruction
13:32 init             rubenwardy: so, Haskell is really low-level?
13:32 freemint_        no
13:33 init             rubenwardy: I mean, a tail-recursive function with the right strictness annotations and -O2 means you get a 4/5 instructions in a non-allocating loop
13:33 rubenwardy       Idc about haskell, it's not a real language
13:33 init             rubenwardy: and the fact that there are things like stream fusion..
13:33 freemint_        by no meanside it uses the concept of pattern matching which does not exist in cpu
13:33 rubenwardy       (jokes)
13:33 init             yes, also it has a garbage collector, which is not native to the CPU
13:34 init             but that's part of the RTS
13:34 init             not part of the `instruction`
13:34 freemint_        recursion is only emulated by a stack
13:34 init             note that also, if the language is expression-based, how do we separate an `instruction`?
13:34 init             freemint_: Haskell semantics don't map to function calls using the computer's stack
13:35 rubenwardy       Languages are just tools, use the best one for the job
13:36 freemint_        wrong analogy tools can not provide abstraction
13:36 rubenwardy       what do you mean by abstraction?
13:37 TBC_x            I think of classes as factories, not as tools
13:37 rubenwardy       "A thing used to help perform a job"
13:37 init             classes are an OOP concept, though
13:37 init             so it's a pretty limited subset of the PL world
13:38 init             rubenwardy: yeah, sadly most people ignore the tools and believe their hammers are good screwdrivers
13:38 TBC_x            I hammered a nail with screwdriver, screwdrivers are better!
13:39 init             anyway, what I mean is this, performance is (1) not trivial, (2) not a language feature, (3) other things actually matter more if you actually look at it, performance / expressiveness ratio? anyone?
13:42 rubenwardy       I agree, however if there isn't a compiler/interpreter to actually get the performance, then that's negative on the language
13:42 JBB              hi
13:43 rubenwardy       it's like RubenLang is a really cool language, very expressive. However it has zero compilers or interpreters, so you can't use it
13:43 init             rubenwardy: the language may itself allow certain kinds of optimization to be defined at the language-level
13:44 init             rubenwardy: things like GHC's RULES comes to mind, you teach the compiler identities, and it'll replace equals by equals at compile time, as a silly example
13:44 init             setup a rule: forall x. sum [x] = x
13:44 init             it'll avoid the function call at compile time, and bam!
13:45 VanessaE         rubenwardy: not to mention that, at least back in my day, there was the question of whether it was possible to even have a compiler that could turn out high-performance code (think BASIC, back in the 8-bit days).  The same is still true today - look at Lua.  LuaJIT is fast, but there are plenty of other languages that are faster.
13:45 init             the language is not faster
13:45 init             the implementations are
13:45 init             or do you consider clang's C different to gcc's C?
13:45 freemint_        init, false
13:46 init             freemint_: yeah, yeah, the language semantics do affect the implementations :p
13:46 TBC_x            well... the difference between language interpreter, language compiler and bytecode iterpreter is huge
13:46 freemint_        because some language are defined in a way that makes them slower
13:46 init             yes, I am overly stating it
13:46 init             it's just that given enough money, you can do lots of things
13:47 freemint_        take a look at oracle java... lots of classes needed to kept in ram and other implemtation are not faster, its the design
13:47 init             ... look at JS, it's even worse
13:49 freemint_        or unlambda or malborge
13:49 init             rfheh
13:49 init             heh
13:49 init             but JS is actually `performant` considering how crap the language is :D
13:50 JBB              could we add spikes to the cactus in Minetest Game?
13:50 VanessaE         JBB: with a mesh node, sure.
13:50 JBB              like in dplus mod
13:50 VanessaE         it's also bee done with nodeboxes, but a mesh would be better.
13:50 JBB              ok
13:50 VanessaE         neem*
13:50 VanessaE         been**
13:50 freemint_        is js worse or the doom its restling with?
13:50 init             http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/files/4455/paper.pdf
13:50 JBB              but in default
13:51 freemint_        *dom
13:51 freemint_        :-)
13:51 VanessaE         JBB: sure.  easily.
13:51 JBB              is somebody able to sdd to
13:51 VanessaE         JBB: write a mod that redefines the cactus node to use a mesh.
13:51 JBB              add to default
13:51 VanessaE         look at the "3d extras" component of Home decor modpack.
13:51 VanessaE         I do the same thing for the bookshelf.
13:52 JBB              default plus already have a damaging cactus eith spikes
13:52 JBB              dplus by blockmen
13:53 JBB              default plus has nicer ice to
13:53 JBB              too
13:54 JBB              its a litle bit transparent
13:54 TBC_x            with patched minimap the memory leaks aren't THAT bad
13:57 jojoa1997        do you have to make a meshnode in like blender?
13:57 jojoa1997        or can you define it by hand?
13:57 VanessaE         jojoa1997: yep, blender
13:57 VanessaE         you CAN make them by hand but it's not easy
13:57 jojoa1997        is there an easier program that makes it all blocky?
13:58 jojoa1997        cause blender is too much
13:58 VanessaE         the .obj file format is well-documented, for example
13:58 VanessaE         rubenwardy: doesn't NBE export to .obj now?
13:58 rubenwardy       it does
13:58 VanessaE         jojoa1997: there you go./
13:58 rubenwardy       however it is unoptimised
13:58 VanessaE         that's about the easiest way to get to a mesh node and keep the blocky feel
13:59 rubenwardy       Has someone broken immortal?
13:59 jojoa1997        sweet
14:01 VanessaE         immortal?
14:01 rubenwardy       https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/19a6e332f86431e6f45e
14:01 rubenwardy       doesn't work
14:01 VanessaE         oh
14:01 VanessaE         I thought that was reserved for entities?
14:01 rubenwardy       I tried applying it directly to default, still doesn't work
14:01 rubenwardy       it used to mean undiggable with nodes
14:02 VanessaE         oh for that just don't define any digging groups
14:02 rubenwardy       oh
14:07 rubenwardy       doesn't work
14:07 VanessaE         strange, it should
14:07 JBB              we could just copy this from default +
14:07 xenkey           Is it any performance benefit to run the server on a separate machine from the client?
14:07 rubenwardy       Reverting to 0.4.12-stable...
14:08 xenkey           Multiplayer with one user vs standard singleplayer
14:08 rubenwardy       xenkey, if the client has low resources yes
14:08 crazyR           rubenwardy try using minetest.overide_node
14:08 rubenwardy       minetest.override_item?
14:08 rubenwardy       I did, still didn't work
14:08 crazyR           ohh
14:09 rubenwardy       and anyway, override_item does exactly what I do
14:09 crazyR           thats odd
14:09 rubenwardy       override_item just called register_item
14:09 rubenwardy       *calls
14:09 rubenwardy       and does a bit of copying to make it safe
14:09 Calinou          http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/#id=664
14:09 Calinou          nice skin
14:15 xenkey           tis indeed
14:16 amadin           Hi all, how to open creative inventory for admin if creative mode is turn off?
14:16 rubenwardy       VanessaE, it works in 0.4.12-stable but not 0.4.12-dev
14:17 amadin           "/grant admin creative" not help
14:17 xenkey           amadin: You can't do that
14:17 xenkey           You can install a creative inventory mod which shows a creative formspec to people with the creative privilege
14:18 VanessaE         amadin: use Unified Inventory.
14:18 xenkey           Personally, i prefer to use my own creative inventory mod
14:18 amadin           i don't know how in UI turn off craft guide
14:18 VanessaE         you can't.
14:19 VanessaE         but I could perhaps add an option to do that.
14:19 amadin           mod creative inventory on forum crush my server i think - no errors in log
14:20 amadin           Vanessa it will be cool - it is one trouble what stop me to use you mod
14:20 amadin           does i can turn off button "home" and others?
14:20 VanessaE         ain't my mod.  I just contribute to it :)
14:20 VanessaE         most of the other buttons can be turned off by putting it in "lite" mode.
14:21 amadin           can i edit init.lua to turn off craft guide now?
14:21 amadin           or i can't?
14:21 VanessaE         sure, it's easily done
14:22 VanessaE         in register.lua look for where the button is registered and just comment-out that section.
14:23 amadin           i undestand, i ask to edit for craft guide turn off, does this hard to turn off it myself?
14:24 VanessaE         no it's pretty easy to do
14:24 VanessaE         just a matter of having a little bit of Lua knowledge
14:24 VanessaE         not something I'm apt to do right now though as it also requires having a clear head :P
14:25 amadin           so i will try now, but i have very little bit ;)
14:27 amadin           does it work with simple_skins?
14:28 VanessaE         dunno
14:40 Sketch2          I noticed you guys talking about adding spikes to cactus nodes
14:40 Sketch2          this is something I can do if you really want it done
14:40 VanessaE         mmhmm?
14:40 VanessaE         *looks at JBB*
14:41 Sketch2          Lemme get a cuppa tea or coffee in me so the brain is alive again, then I'll at least look into it.
14:42 VanessaE         btw I forgot to say earlier, it's good to see you around again too, sketch
14:44 Sketch2          thanx.  I've got this idea hopping 'round my mind about making a world outta wool
14:44 Sketch2          maybe it's kinda stupid, but I think it'd be neat for sculpting
14:44 Sketch2          different biomes would have different wool colors
14:45 Sketch2          and more shavable creatures
14:45 Sketch2          mostly 'cuz it's micro-blockable
14:49 CWz              RealBadAngel has just joined VanessaE's basic server
14:49 CWz              real or fake
14:49 VanessaE         real.
14:50 CWz              Phew
14:50 RealBadAngel     :P
14:51 VanessaE         RealBadAngel: there's been a rash of impostors lately.
14:51 CWz              there is dramma on vebasic
14:51 VanessaE         when isn't there.
15:06 Sketch2          I've always wanted to program stuff in Minetest, but I felt my skills in that arena was a bit limited
15:06 Sketch2          mostly 'cuz I'm dyslexic as f***
15:07 Sketch2          I'm good at modding the mods tho
15:08 Sketch2          so I sorta took a break from it and have been doing a lot with Scratch and Blender lately
15:09 technomancy      Sketch2: I have a mod that lets you program in-game
15:09 Sketch2          the lua side of things?
15:10 technomancy      I may have already told you this?
15:10 technomancy      https://github.com/technomancy/calandria
15:10 technomancy      it's in lua, yeah
15:10 technomancy      in a simulated unix-like environment
15:12 technomancy      still very much a work-in-progress but you can already do some pretty cool stuff with it
15:13 Sketch2          that's trippy.
15:13 Sketch2          never thought of changing code on the fly
15:13 Sketch2          sometimes wished you could change texture packs in-game
15:14 technomancy      changing mod code in-game is still pretty sketchy
15:14 technomancy      since it's difficult to separate out code that's safe to re-run vs code that can only be run once
15:15 technomancy      the code you write in this mod is sandboxed to only be able to affect the server node, luacontrollers, and digilines, not arbitrary changes to mods
15:16 Sketch2          oh ok.  so you could program it to do neat tricks like those Christmas tree light shows?
15:17 technomancy      if they are controlled by digilines or mesecons, yeah
15:19 Sketch2          right, that's what I was thinking
15:47 Sketch2          how prikly do we want this cactus?
15:48 VanessaE         off the top of my head I would say needles around 2 pixels long (relative to the default texture) and about as prickly as the original
15:49 VanessaE         i.e. a couple of needles for every white pixel or something
15:49 Sketch2          ty
15:50 VanessaE         but it's more what JBB wants though :)
16:03 * Sokomine       loves cacit that know how to behave and don't prick t he hand that gives them water :)
16:04 Krock            Once upon a time, I saw a link to a page that shows up how to write correct chat messages - Does anyone know that one?
16:06 Sketch2          one of my best friends had a huge cactus right behind his dining room table
16:06 Sketch2          there was about 1 foot between you and it while sitting
16:08 Sketch2          needles to say, it stuck me
16:10 xenkey           hah
16:10 xenkey           needles to day
16:10 xenkey           good pun
16:11 VanessaE         heh
16:15 xenkey           Compiling minetest now
16:16 xenkey           Should I run yet another MT server from my Raspberry pi?
16:16 xenkey           Seems like a typical thing for a member of #minetest to do when they buy a pi
16:24 Jordach          xenkey, ayy lmao
16:24 xenkey           lol
16:25 Sketch2          you talking R'Pi 1 or 2?
16:25 luizrpgluiz      hi all
16:25 Jordach          xenkey, nah fam
16:27 xenkey           Sketch2: 2
16:31 Sketch2          I saw an article where a guy linked up a whole buncha Pi's to increase computing power
16:31 Sketch2          think it was for something goofy like mining bitcoins
16:31 xenkey           Heh
16:31 xenkey           A powerful Pi cluster
16:32 xenkey           It's really not that powerful
16:32 Sketch2          wonder you could do something similar and scale up your server that way
16:32 xenkey           Definitely not
16:32 VanessaE         unfortunately no
16:32 VanessaE         minetest doesn't thread well
16:32 Sketch2          oh
16:32 VanessaE         at least not in a way that clustering would help with
16:32 xenkey           Unless having a separate server for the database counts as scaling
16:32 xenkey           I did that before
16:32 Sketch2          yeah, that's true
16:32 xenkey           Hm
16:33 xenkey           Say, would anyone like to start a server with me?
16:33 Sketch2          could have a third dedicated to the media cache
16:33 xenkey           Not on the Pi, on a spare quad core Xeon i have lying around
16:57 rubenwardy       Just did a git bisect to find out the source of the dig problem, then realised that the problem doesn't happen in minimal :(
16:57 rubenwardy       so the bisect was pointles
16:58 est31            dig problem?
16:58 rubenwardy       groups = { immortal = 1 } doesn't work
16:58 rubenwardy       it should make it undiggable
16:58 rubenwardy       minetest takes way too long to compil
16:59 rubenwardy       yes, Linux takes hours
16:59 est31            you know of -j option?
17:01 rubenwardy       yes
17:01 rubenwardy       I'm using -j3
17:01 est31            also, clang is faster than gcc
17:01 Sketch2          omg.  just did a find-and-replace on everything and forgot to start with 2-digit #'s first
17:02 rubenwardy       I cba
17:03 Sketch2          food break, then start again.
17:10 init             hours?
17:10 init             it took 30 minutes on my old laptop
17:10 init             and <3 minutes on my FX
17:11 est31            init, linux??
17:11 init             yes
17:11 est31            <3 minutes??
17:11 init             oh, wait, the kernel?
17:11 est31            yes
17:12 init             the kernel is 5 minutes here, and was 25 minutes on my laptop
17:12 init             note that I am compiling a really big build
17:12 init             basically I enabled pretty much anything I might need in the next 15 years and had in the past 10
17:12 est31            guess it depends on your config
17:12 est31            damn how was it called again
17:12 est31            last time i compiled linux was 2012 or so
17:13 init             (the 25 minutes build on my netbook was really optimized, the kernel doesn't even boot on my FX, or _another_ intel atom laptop, as a silly example :P
17:13 init             s|^(||
17:13 init             est31: called what
17:13 init             16:58:56       rubenwardy | minetest takes way too long to compil
17:14 init             16:59:11       rubenwardy | yes, Linux takes hours
17:14 init             I don't know what he actually meant there
17:14 init             if it was minetest, clang may also work, but AFAIK clang still has problems compiling the kernel?
17:15 est31            ah, seems it doesnt have a name at all
17:15 init             there are scripts out there that basically are `make allnoconfig` and try to enable "just enough" to make your computer boot (+ minimal drivers)
17:16 Calinou          Clang should work on Minetest
17:17 xenkey           https://sr.ht/092d.png thoughts?
17:17 Calinou          nice use of gray bricks
17:17 xenkey           https://sr.ht/c31c.png News system
17:18 xenkey           Calinou: Do you think there's too much texture clash?
17:21 xenkey           Would this be better for a spawn entry https://sr.ht/f54d.png
17:21 freemint_        hello, what does register_craft_predict do?
17:21 freemint_        what do i use it for?
17:42 jojoa1997        .nick jojoa1997|AWAY
18:49 xfceKris         Calinou: who is this trooper that attacked me? When I killed him, he was placed in inventory. When I place him again, he just attacks me.
18:50 Calinou          it's a... Trooper
18:50 Calinou          :)
18:50 Calinou          you can place it but it'll just attack you again
18:50 Calinou          (or nearby peasants)
18:51 xfceKris         Can I make him stop attacking me? And why did he join my inventory? none of the mummies or whatever have.
18:52 Calinou          no, he'll attack endlessly
18:52 Calinou          like all those 12 year old mobile players :P
18:52 xfceKris         Also, I haven't found any peasants.
18:52 Calinou          it's a special mob, it joins your inventory when you kill it
18:52 Calinou          peasants = players :P
18:52 Calinou          you can place it, then flee
18:52 Calinou          it'll attack other players if they come nearby
18:52 xfceKris         Ah, gotcha.
18:52 Calinou          troopers are inspired by spies found in Team Fortress
18:52 xfceKris         I think I'll collect them and keep them in a fence at my house.lol
18:52 Calinou          they look like regular players, but they aren't
18:53 Calinou          they do despawn though
18:53 xfceKris         love TF
18:53 xfceKris         So best bet is to just kill then trash.
18:53 xfceKris         or /pulverize
18:54 xfceKris         and hey, my son is 8 and playing on my old moto e right now.
18:55 xfceKris         so, careful what you say about those mobile players
18:57 Calinou          :p
19:28 Sokomine         mobile players are strange :-) they manage to play with very odd controls and a difficult interface :-)
19:28 est31            yea
19:29 Sokomine         it's great for some sightseeing though
19:29 * Sokomine       wonders if her android shelf will ever manage to build a house
19:43 Octupuslegs      Hello
19:43 luizrpgluiz      hello
19:45 * Jordach        is considering creating a standalone mod for liquids
19:46 Jordach          it's useful for most people :^)
19:47 Jordach          Calinou, that Sam II is a spy!
19:48 Jordach          http://jordach.net/Images/BlenderStuff/barrel.png
19:57 xenkey           Jordach: Can you make a model of me?
19:57 xenkey           What do you think I look like?
19:57 Jordach          a chav
19:57 Jordach          :^)
20:00 xenkey           I finally got FreeBSD up and running on my pi
20:00 xenkey           !server zenith
20:00 MinetestBot      xenkey: Zenith | BitX | 149.255.109.175 | Clients: 0/32, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.12 / bitx | Ping: 8ms
20:00 xenkey           That isn't it ^
20:00 xenkey           But that's FreeBSD too
20:01 nrzkt            xenkey you use crochet ?
20:01 xenkey           !server zenith
20:01 MinetestBot      xenkey: Zenith | BitX - We use FreeBSD! | 149.255.109.175 | Clients: 0/32, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12 / bitx | Ping: 8ms
20:01 xenkey           nrzkt: Nope, used a snapshot
20:01 xenkey           crochet didn't work too well for me
20:01 nrzkt            i have a rpi2 awaiting a freebsd at home :p
20:02 xenkey           nice
20:02 xenkey           Do you have the 1 or 2 ?
20:06 nrzkt            i have a Pi B v1 but i have raspbmc connected to my TV on it
20:06 nrzkt            the second is the RPI2
20:06 nrzkt            but i have never do anything with i, i have a project of connected house using RPI + Arduino with sensors :)
20:09 Jordach          lmao
20:10 Jordach          i've realised what's so out of place with MT beds
20:10 Jordach          1) missing a woolen mattress
20:10 Jordach          2) missing a bed sheet and "duvey"
20:10 Jordach          3) pillow depending on the age of the mod :OP
20:10 Jordach          -O
20:12 Sokomine         Jordach: use the papyrus bed. that looks very comftable :-)
20:12 Sokomine         or at least nice
20:15 Jordach          much better looking
20:16 xenkey           Jordach: It's duvet
20:17 Jordach          ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
20:18 Jordach          http://jordach.net/Images/BlenderStuff/bedtexture.png
20:18 Jordach          Sokomine, ^
20:18 xenkey           Jordach: Try making the duvet cover the pillow
20:18 xenkey           Only slightly
20:19 * Jordach        looks at UV
20:19 Jordach          nah fam
20:26 Jordach          here's an updated texture with steel-ly ness
20:26 Jordach          http://jordach.net/Images/BlenderStuff/bedtex.png
20:28 Jordach          Sokomine, ^
20:43 Jordach          http://jordach.net/Images/BlenderStuff/bedtex1.png
20:43 Jordach          Sokomine, xenkey ^
20:45 Krock            http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_real_life_hacks_and_cheat_codes
20:45 Krock            I tried noclip with my door - failed
20:46 Jordach          >spawn police
20:46 Jordach          TOP KEK
20:49 zat              My lunch today: http://adm.1.cl/galeriasitios/Och/Och_11996_3989-03-CevicheDeMariscos.jpg
20:49 zat              I am so happy <3
21:01 RealBadAngel     Jordach, what for this extra leg in the middle?
21:01 Jordach          RealBadAngel, some metal beds have legs in the middle
21:02 Jordach          keeping the style :)
21:02 Jordach          (steel beds are like steel doors - only usable by the placer, and can't be removed other than an admin or owner)
21:10 xenkey           Jordach: still missing something
21:16 Jordach          like wat
21:16 Jordach          ur nan?
21:22 FourFire         Jordach, what kind of liquid mod?
21:22 FourFire         based on a minecraft one perhaps?
21:22 Jordach          FourFire, basically mass liquid storage instead of putting 32 buckets in a chest
21:22 FourFire         oh, so like a tank
21:23 Jordach          it's configurable: from 8 buckets to a billion buckets
21:23 Jordach          (it's just node meta)
21:45 Jordach          anyone in need of MT models
21:45 Jordach          bored right now
21:51 FourFire         Jordach, "BOOORED"
21:51 FourFire         I haven't run the game for a long time, and indeed haven't made any mods. however, can I make a request?
21:51 Jordach          go nuts
21:51 Jordach          give reference images, etc
21:52 FourFire         make A ridable flightless bird, like an EMU or ostrich
21:52 Jordach          i believe such a mod pre-exists
21:52 FourFire         oh.. link?
21:53 FourFire         can you make a model for a single node, or is that exclusively code?
21:53 Jordach          i can make nodes
21:54 FourFire         I request a dynamic liquid which can occupy 1/16th-16/16ths of the volume of the node
21:54 Jordach          FourFire, https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/wiki
21:54 Jordach          ehm
21:54 FourFire         the liquid is finite and could be moved, "layer" by "layer" to a different nodespace
21:54 Jordach          that used to be part of the engine
21:55 FourFire         used to?
21:55 FourFire         too much lag?
21:55 Jordach          bugs
21:55 Jordach          but there was a Lua one
21:55 Jordach          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMPIOO2vGc
21:56 Jordach          !tell rubenwardy got a copy of your old finite water mod?
21:56 MinetestBot      Jordach: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
21:56 Jordach          danke
21:57 Jordach          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4401
21:57 Jordach          ah
21:57 Jordach          there it is]
21:57 FourFire         wow, tehlagz
21:57 FourFire         I wonder what hardware he's running it on
21:57 Jordach          ~intel core duo?
21:57 Jordach          afaik
21:57 FourFire         I wonder whether the leveling calculations can be offloaded to GPU?
21:58 Jordach          you can't offside lua to GPU
21:58 FourFire         hmm, then maybe take sme shortcuts
21:58 Jordach          can't take shortcuts with Lua
21:58 Jordach          it's all CPU bound
21:59 Jordach          for gods sake i've pulled some insane bullshit before using Lua
21:59 Jordach          that was all because i wanted on_use animations
21:59 FourFire         > check all nodes within 2 block radius of just updated (filled) block for existence of either empty or fluid. average the levels of all block in range
22:00 FourFire         all blocks get updated, but since they're all averaged, no more load, excepting when there's more empty space at the edge of the original check
22:00 FourFire         hmm, need some way to intelligently bypass fluid falling a long way downwards
22:01 Jordach          FourFire, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfmoG4MUIQ
22:01 Jordach          that is both a block and an entity
22:01 FourFire         huh, before you do the rest of the check, check that the block under just updated check is air, then don't do the rest of the check, just move the whole node one space downwards
22:02 FourFire         I saw tanks in the background there!
22:02 Jordach          stores 8 blocks
22:02 FourFire         that video was published this time last year
22:02 Jordach          and has a input limit to 8 tanks
22:02 Jordach          16* above it
22:03 Jordach          demo of tanks here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkNdLYkwmjQ
22:03 FourFire         but i saw that adjacent tanks (in a colum) didn't send all fluid to the lowest one
22:03 Jordach          because removing it from elsewhere sometimes breaks em
22:03 FourFire         mmh
22:04 Jordach          lava tanks even have brightness depending on the amount inside
22:04 FourFire         ah, but you get the check to run from the sending tank, not the recieving tank, right?
22:04 FourFire         ah, but lag
22:04 FourFire         hmm
22:04 Jordach          think of three tanks in a vertical line
22:05 Jordach          one of them is pulled from - the middle
22:05 FourFire         maybe run the check for "is there a tank with empty under me" only once every... 64 ticks, or something?
22:05 FourFire         how many ticks per frame?
22:05 Jordach          afaik Buildcraft tanks do not do that
22:05 FourFire         ok how do they do it?
22:06 Jordach          same method as mine
22:06 FourFire         is the oil a mod?
22:06 Jordach          part of my subgame
22:06 Jordach          https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/blob/master/mods/tanks/init.lua
22:06 Jordach          and exclusive to it
22:06 Jordach          it does check for full tanks above it, and if it's partially empty - it'll fill it from below
22:09 FourFire         ok
22:09 FourFire         What about a Zeppelin Mod clone
22:09 Jordach          but not the other way around
22:10 FourFire         node which when you build around it and activate, causes your build to become an entity which you can fly
22:10 FourFire         then you can deactivate the node, and your build aligns with the world again and becomes nodes
22:11 Jordach          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6184
22:12 FourFire         could you fix (static) chests and other nodes with inventories?
22:12 Jordach          not sure
22:13 Jordach          would probably be a decorative chests
22:14 Jordach          this is a better soloution
22:14 Jordach          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5026
22:14 FourFire         yeah ok, but can you save the contents, then when you realign, load them in the invetory of the node?
22:14 FourFire         just that would be pretty damn useful
22:14 Jordach          or https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3081
22:15 FourFire         :D
22:15 Jordach          or even this (supports the bags as part of the inv)
22:15 Jordach          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12767
22:15 FourFire         ok, do nodes have differing mass or density by now?
22:15 Jordach          nope
22:16 FourFire         hmm, could you easily add that
22:16 Jordach          not really, digging times can be changed
22:16 Jordach          but that's it
22:16 FourFire         do all objects made of, say wood have an identifying tag or something?
22:16 Jordach          yes, the digging time of choppy and oddly_breakable_by_hand
22:16 FourFire         what about wool/cloth?
22:17 Jordach          the usual tags are: dig_immediate, choppy, snappy, crumbly, cracky and oddly_breakable_by_hand
22:17 Jordach          wool gets oddly
22:17 Jordach          due to it not being listed
22:17 FourFire         ok cool that's enough
22:17 Jordach          on the other hand i did create a way to add more useful things like granting flight
22:17 Jordach          (i've figured out how to grant it via a mod)
22:18 FourFire         could you alter the zeppelin mod to require, say >=50% of the flying object build's nodes to consist of "light" choppy, oddly, (and snappy?)  nodes
22:18 FourFire         otherwise it won't fly, just drag along thr ground
22:19 FourFire         and, could you add some sort of fuel consumption mechanic to the controller block, say like a furnace
22:19 FourFire         but perhaps slower
22:19 Jordach          nope
22:19 Jordach          entities have to be manually programmed
22:20 FourFire         ok well just make it a onetimecheck then
22:20 FourFire         is fuel on, yes, then fly=true
22:20 Jordach          the more you complicate the programming, the more the server locks up due to processing time
22:20 FourFire         then if fuel=off, snap back to world
22:20 FourFire         that could leads to amusing scenarios
22:21 FourFire         people trapped up in the air, forced to deconstruct their craft's burnables in order to get down
22:21 FourFire         ok, so MineTest is exclusivley singlethreaded then?
22:21 Jordach          yep
22:21 FourFire         huh
22:21 FourFire         I'm impressed
22:22 FourFire         I mean both the cliehnt and the server run on my nexus 4, a phone from 2012
22:22 FourFire         and not just barely run either
22:22 FourFire         I thought that it was so performant because of multithreading
22:29 Jordach          FourFire, some subgames require more CPU and RAM than others
22:30 FourFire         of course
22:31 FourFire         I think I've onløy run the default game_thing
22:34 Jordach          that's why it performs well
22:49 GoldenMewMew     Hi?
22:50 GoldenMewMew     Hai?
23:19 Sketch2          There's a gnarly cactus - http://tinypic.com/m/iyziww/2
23:21 wilkgr           Hello!
23:21 wilkgr           I was trying to download a mod the other day, but the github link was broken
23:21 wilkgr           !mod elevator
23:21 MinetestBot      wilkgr: Elevator shafts [elevator] by aximx51v - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4587
23:22 wilkgr           No, not that one
23:22 wilkgr           !mod lifts
23:22 MinetestBot      wilkgr: Lifts [lift] by portals - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8882
23:22 wilkgr           That's the one
23:50 Sketch2          ok, so what the trick for getting the new node definition to show...   http://oi60.tinypic.com/104l3ll.jpg
23:51 est31            ?
23:53 Sketch2          I've got the node data for the cactus, do I just post a new nodes.lua  or make it into a mod
23:54 est31            theoretically, if the engine supported it, this should be done by the texture pac
23:54 est31            pack*
23:54 est31            what you will have to do is to replace the mod that adds the plants
23:54 est31            call it the same way, but give it a nice distinguished "outside" name