Time  Nick           Message
00:02 jordan4ibanez  Wait a second
00:02 jordan4ibanez  minetest.register_on_dignode(function(pos, oldnode, digger)) is broken? :(
00:04 jordan4ibanez  Wait no...hmm....maybe I've just got the dumb.
00:20 nolsen         sythe: facade leader? You mean that facade game?
00:20 sythe          Nope, not the 2007 one
00:20 sythe          Common misconception
00:26 nolsen         Then what Facade?
00:26 nolsen         If it's not Façade.
00:28 sythe          #Facade
01:22 Elronnd        Hi, new to the game: In exploration mode (or whatever it's called) is there a way to accelerate night?
01:32 est31          /time 6000
01:33 est31          or /time 6:00
02:13 Pilcrow182     hrrm, fixing bugs is a pain. I've now managed to -completely- break my code...  :P
02:17 technomancy    Pilcrow182: which code?
02:18 est31          Pilcrow182, use git :)
02:20 Pilcrow182     technomancy: eh, it's just some mod code I was working on. making an autogrinder and autocompressor for a subgame I've been working on. it mostly worked, but there was a couple of major bugs I couldn't fix with the old code, so I'm overhauling the main abm.
02:22 Pilcrow182     not putting it on git yet as it is extremely messy code. I made far too large a mod and I want to split it into parts.
02:31 technomancy    cool; based on technic?
02:31 technomancy    also: use git even if it's not on github
02:32 technomancy    you can make commits locally and then mistakes can be rolled back and stuff
02:48 jordan4ibanez  I think I might be making the definitive enchant mod for minetest, but oh god does it generate a fuck ton of tools
02:54 Pilcrow182     technomancy: I only know the very basics of using git for github. I'm not gonna mess around with learning how to use it locally right now, but maybe later. Also, no it's not based on technic; it's original code. No offense to RBA or anyone else, but I don't personally like technic. it's well designed, but not to my tastes...
02:58 Pilcrow182     jordan4ibanez: it might be better to store the enchantments as item meta, for things that don't affect mining speed, etc. see the mining drill from technic for an example of how to store meta in an inventory item: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/tools/mining_drill.lua#L262
03:26 jordan4ibanez  So in lua
03:27 jordan4ibanez  I want to get the values of the tables, but not starting from 1, like 2,3 and so on, {[2]="foo",[3]="fooyoutoo"}
03:27 jordan4ibanez  I want to modify those values, but without having to specify the item names, so just go list item 1, list item 2
03:28 jordan4ibanez  That's literallly the best way I can explain that, haha.
04:15 technomancy    Pilcrow182: I'd say using git locally is actually easier than using github
04:16 technomancy    just skip the `git remote ...` and `git push` steps
04:17 Pilcrow182     I'm focusing on the task at hand, but I'll experiment with that later
04:17 est31          technomancy, not if you use githubs online editor
04:18 technomancy    est31: oh yeah I forgot about that
04:19 Pilcrow182     est31: I didn't know github had an online editor, so that's no problem; I've used cli git for github pushes.
04:20 est31          Pilcrow182, then its in fact easier to use git locally
05:18 MinetestBot    02[git] 04UltimateNate -> 03minetest/minetest: Remove unneccessary space for tab completion 133ae8b92 http://git.io/vLmME (152015-06-16T07:16:22+02:00)
05:18 MinetestBot    02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Don't highlight entries in credits 13bbf6f4f http://git.io/vLmMu (152015-06-15T17:43:47+02:00)
05:31 jordan4ibanez  OH GOD
05:31 Elronnd        ?
05:32 jordan4ibanez  If you do local capabilities = minetest.registered_tools[enchant.pick[x]]["tool_capabilities"], and you modify it in a loop, no matter if you nil it or not, it'll always subtract from itself over and over again
05:32 jordan4ibanez  You have to make it global
05:32 jordan4ibanez  4.5 hours wasted figuring that out, great
05:34 technomancy    yo dawg I heard you like bugs so I put some mutability in your programming language so you can experience undocumented confusing semantics while you code
05:34 jordan4ibanez  You just summed that up perfectly, thank you
05:37 technomancy    normally that meme strikes me as overused, but it seemed like a good fit here
05:44 TheWild        about client-side scripting: some time ago I wrote about the need of sending special messages by server to client (e.g. run function by given id with parameters). Now I see that sending special messages from client to server could be good too. By that, we could get rid of automatic send when button on formspec is clicked and leave it to the client-side script decision.
05:45 TheWild        and even make formspec more flexible: onmouseenter, onmouseleave, onclick, onkeypress... that stuff
05:46 est31          yes basically reprogram html + javascript because that is too slow
05:46 est31          and NIH
05:47 est31          instead of sending code to the client and back I think we should just send strings
05:47 est31          strings and mod names
05:47 est31          with handler functions
05:48 TheWild        I didn't mean to make formspec out of html, neither javascript;. I meant events to which functions could be bound to
05:48 est31          yes I know
05:48 est31          then people come along want to have it resizeable
05:48 est31          next people want custom fonts
05:48 est31          (already kenney suggesting it)
05:48 est31          next people want dynamic resizing
05:49 est31          next this next that
05:49 est31          and if we wait a bit, we have html
05:49 est31          + js
05:49 TheWild        I think if resizing could be done in Lua, they could program automatic resizing on their own
05:49 technomancy    I'm really torn on this
05:50 technomancy    I mean, the current system is *very* insufficient, and I am not a fan of NIH, but ... the idea of putting a web view in it makes me cringe a bit
05:50 technomancy    just say no to CSS
05:52 technomancy    also I really want a monospace font, but I feel silly asking for it =)
05:52 TheWild        I'm afraid about putting html to render formspec because: 1. it is too redundant,  2. too much parsing and 3. too much effort for this improvement
05:52 technomancy    yeah, it's overkill for sure
05:52 technomancy    if there were a clear option for a middle ground it would make the choice easier, but I don't know of one
05:52 jordan4ibanez  Wait, no, I'm a triple moron, you can't start an item def with 0, I think?
05:52 jordan4ibanez  tool def* and tool speeds I mean
05:53 TheWild        I prefer not to program everything in core, just give ability to do so (everything else can be scripted in Lua)
05:53 technomancy    TheWild: full ack
05:53 technomancy    do as little as possible in C++
05:53 technomancy    but we need *some* input mechanism and some drawing mechanism
05:54 est31          what do you hate about CSS?
05:55 technomancy    est31: they just randomly left out obvious features
05:55 technomancy    est31: witness how many compile-to-CSS languages exist
05:55 est31          technomancy, they are adding them, at slow pace, but adding
05:56 technomancy    ok, I'm just talking about CSS as of the time I stopped paying attention to webdev
05:57 jordan4ibanez  Are tool definitions seperate from item definitions?
06:07 TheWild        just a loose thought: http://pastebin.com/zT1nJ7Wh
06:07 TheWild        is bringing OOP to minetest an overkill?
06:15 technomancy    this seems like a pretty tame incarnation of OOP
06:18 technomancy    TheWild: I wonder if something like formspec.add({{12,10} = button}) would be better
06:18 technomancy    TheWild: that is, to have the layout be more descriptive
06:19 technomancy    "at these X and Y coordinates, there is this element"
06:19 technomancy    would make it more amenable to programmatic manipulation
06:20 est31          hmmmm, what features should your initial client side scripting feature set cover?
06:24 TheWild        I don't know yet, but I'm sure all (most?) event-catching stuff and receiving/sending special messages to server
06:24 * est31        probably shouldnt annoy with these questions
06:24 est31          ?
06:24 est31          ah
06:25 TheWild        at least all event produced by formspecs - this is to the script decision what is send to the server. Not every button must send something.
06:25 TheWild        s/send/sent/
06:31 hmmmm          est31: by "initial" do you mean what will be included before 1.0.0 release?
06:31 hmmmm          to answer that
06:31 hmmmm          this may be a bit ambitious
06:31 hmmmm          the next-gen formspec and screen drawing
06:31 hmmmm          sounds
06:32 hmmmm          client/server RPC
06:32 hmmmm          the next gen formspec won't be formspec at all
06:32 hmmmm          formspec is an abomination.  it was made for a very specific use case and then people bolted features on and started using it as a custom UI thing
06:33 est31          what do you suggest as replacement?
06:33 jordan4ibanez  Woooo
06:33 jordan4ibanez  https://youtu.be/T5eAz3jMjp4
06:33 jordan4ibanez  Also goodnight
06:33 hmmmm          an API that looks very similar to irrlicht's native one
06:34 technomancy    hmmmm: that sounds ideal for a couple reasons
06:34 hmmmm          in fact the intention is to make it as simple as possible
06:34 hmmmm          a wrapper around the irrlicht GUI api
06:34 hmmmm          if we ever move to a new graphics engine, I want to use OpenSceneNode, not ogre3d
06:34 technomancy    0) closer to irrlicht means less work, which means more likely to be done promptly and 1) means introducing fewer limitations to what mods are capable of
06:34 est31          idk, irrlichts API works with hard coordinates, doesnt it?
06:34 hmmmm          they're relative
06:35 technomancy    hmmmm: do you have links to the underlying API that we'd be wrapping?
06:35 hmmmm          technomancy, obviously.
06:35 hmmmm          well
06:35 hmmmm          we need to be careful here
06:35 hmmmm          i don't want to inadvertantly cement any irrlicht-isms into our engine agnostic api
06:36 est31          I very much like formspec's inventory based grid
06:36 hmmmm          http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/namespaceirr_1_1gui.html
06:36 hmmmm          so we can make a widget for that
06:37 technomancy    hmmmm: I'm pretty suspicious of APIs that claim to let you swap out the underlying engine "without changing application code"
06:37 est31          no I mean that we leave the bare screen resolution behind and move to something more semantic
06:37 technomancy    IME it never works in practice for nontrivial things when applied to things like ORM libs
06:37 hmmmm          est31, don't see why you should be scared about screen resolution dependent things
06:37 est31          if we don't then mods which use hard coords will look shit at retina displays for example
06:37 hmmmm          you have the screen resolution and DPI available to you while plotting the elements
06:38 est31          and mods will use hard coords because mod writers are stupid
06:38 est31          well, most of them
06:38 technomancy    ._.
06:38 est31          (judging by what Ive seen)
06:38 hmmmm          so we'll make relative coordinates the default
06:38 hmmmm          trust me, there will be a lot of talk once we start working on it
06:40 est31          but many things about client side scripting can be done without formspec redo
06:41 hmmmm          well
06:41 est31          like having sane carts for example
06:41 hmmmm          i'd like having a form widget with slots
06:41 est31          or moddable prediction
06:41 hmmmm          but i don't want the formspec syntax ever again in anything
06:41 hmmmm          this is a chance to break free from reverse compatibility
06:42 est31          I like formspecs, because you can do things fast
06:42 est31          most of the story happens on the server
06:42 est31          but when you do the gui yourself in client lua, you will have to take care of a couple of things
06:42 est31          1. send input to server
06:43 TheWild        change formspec syntax and provide a wrapper for backward compatibility
06:43 hmmmm          that might not be necessary
06:43 est31          2. recieve input from server, and display it
06:43 hmmmm          why do you need to send input to the server
06:43 est31          of course, if we have an inventory widget, it will be updated automatically
06:43 hmmmm          that's the old way of doing things
06:43 hmmmm          think about things the new way
06:43 est31          hmmmm, for example, one changes a parameter for a machine, e.g. a quarry
06:44 hmmmm          and that logic could be on the client side
06:44 technomancy    it depends on whether you need to run code server-side to prevent cheating
06:44 est31          they press "escape"
06:44 est31          then that has to be sent to the server
06:44 est31          the new value
06:44 hmmmm          setting some value to something else, sure i agree with that
06:44 hmmmm          but GUI INPUT does not need to be sent
06:44 est31          technomancy, also server side code has multiplayer :)
06:45 est31          yes, but you need to write the parser for that
06:45 est31          one client side which gets the info
06:45 technomancy    hmmmm: right; the individual edits vs the final product
06:45 est31          one server side
06:45 Pilcrow182     got my bugs all solved. improved readability and reduced the mod's size, to boot! now it's late and I need to go to bed. goodnight, all!  o/
06:45 est31          you need the client side already with formspecs, now there its on the server
06:45 est31          but the server side code will be new
06:46 TheWild        I prefer game logic to be executed on the server, like server knows everything about environment
06:46 est31          its unneccessary overhead and complication when trying to make a simple mod
06:48 est31          of course, experienced mod creators want sophisticated APIs
06:48 est31          they can use whatever they want
06:48 est31          err the new method
06:48 est31          but formspecs still should remain I think, for simple mods
06:50 est31          but thanks for the list hmmmm
06:50 est31          because for me, formspecs arent that bad
06:50 hmmmm          more generally i want to be able to draw things to the screen
06:50 hmmmm          and ultimately that will replace the hud
06:50 est31          i see
06:50 hmmmm          register things to be drawn to the screen each loop
06:51 technomancy    I want to be able to port computercraft to minetest
06:51 technomancy    also a pony would be super
06:51 hmmmm          next up
06:51 hmmmm          visual effects
06:51 technomancy    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JePrax2Svlg/hqdefault.jpg
06:51 hmmmm          registering shaders to get triggered on certain events
06:52 hmmmm          so you can have blurry vision for 5 seconds if the user drinks a potion or someting
06:52 hmmmm          and then we can move the death screen to this
06:52 hmmmm          the entire HP system to lua in fact
06:53 est31          executing arbitrary shader code?
06:53 est31          I wonder whether thats secure
06:54 est31          also I wonder what webgl implementors have done regarding securit
06:54 est31          y
06:55 TheWild        AFAIK there were some specific graphics cards which were vulnerable
06:56 hmmmm          WebGL was at worst a DoS vector
06:57 hmmmm          mods aren't at the level of untrustworthiness of something as fleeting as a website with javascript
06:57 hmmmm          there's a much higher level of effort required to install mods to begin with
06:57 est31          ahm no
06:57 est31          if we have client side scripting
06:57 est31          then the mods are provided by the server
06:58 est31          just as with javascript
06:58 hmmmm          that's if we do end up going with that model
06:59 est31          you mean you want to require players to manually install the server's mods in order to be abled to join?
07:02 hmmmm          that would definitely help the security situation
07:02 hmmmm          my mind isn't totally made up
07:02 est31          I am totally hating that
07:03 CWz            What security situation
07:03 est31          its one of the major advantages of minetest over minecraft IMO
07:03 est31          CWz, that you would run untrusted code otherwise
07:04 est31          but regarding the shaders, I guess it would be enough to inspect what webgl implementations do
07:04 hmmmm          the protection is in the drivers now
07:04 TheWild        me too. Minetest currently went very good way with downloading assets and caching them. Forcing players to download and install each of the mod manually will rather disinterest them.
07:05 TheWild        ^ about: "I am totally hating that"
07:05 est31          we should check the shader script whether it invokes any "special features" like undocumented api calls
07:05 est31          have a predefined list of features, and run that
07:07 TheWild        maybe a pack with some standard shaders (like we have minetest_game)
07:07 TheWild        we could know they're secure (maybe)
07:10 est31          I realize that the more features we give lua access to, the more we allow mod creators to fuck minetest's design descisions (which they usually do)
07:11 est31          reminder: we are too scared to include a server side version api because mod creators could abuse that for feature detection
07:11 hmmmm          https://www.khronos.org/webgl/security/#Shader_Validation_and_Transformation
07:11 TheWild        do we have any "standarizing organization" to review new features, merge them, reject or implement them the correct way?
07:12 est31          https://github.com/orgs/minetest/people
07:12 est31          if two of those people +1, then its added
07:12 hmmmm          well
07:12 hmmmm          with caveats
07:12 est31          unless some speak against
07:13 hmmmm          for larger changes it might be prudent to get a larger consensus
07:15 est31          "A shader cannot address outside a texture"
07:15 est31          we can steal their shader compiler :)
07:19 est31          ok next item hmmmm ?
08:07 est31          airbus puts .9k sattelites into earth orbit?
08:07 est31          n1ce
08:18 TheWild        about https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/395 - why not to store furnace state and time instead of keeping it active?
08:23 TheWild        ok, nevermind; I just skipped Kalabasa answer which was the solution and something seems to be commited for that.
08:40 crazyR         does anyone know where i can find a copy of travelnet_travel.wav from the travelnet mod. it doesnt seem to be included
08:43 est31          ah the new shift-to-and-from-inventory feature is working great
08:55 JamesTait      Good morning all; happy Fresh Veggies Day! 😃
11:06 Thron          hi, is there problems with http://www.minetest.net/ site. The links dont open my side??
11:07 Thron          wait it just back to normal.. maybe update to site
11:20 oats           are leveldb and redis backends incompatible with each other, since it looks like they're used to save levels?
11:51 sfan5          oats: every backend supports everything
11:51 sfan5          you can freely migrate between backends
12:04 TheWild        does setmetatable(some_table, {anykey = somevalue}) make any sense or only __index, __lt etc. can be used as a key?
12:53 MinetestBot    02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Add list-rings 13c977fbd http://git.io/vLO6T (152015-06-16T14:51:26+02:00)
13:49 LemonLake      what exactly is a list-ring
13:56 CWz            [off] seems like minetest has it's first griefing video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vig8H5PBAY
13:57 LemonLake      about time
13:57 LemonLake      how kind of them
14:00 Jordach        oh looky
14:00 Jordach        a LemonLake
14:00 LemonLake      eyyy
15:13 CWz            Is there setting to increase login into servers timeout
15:13 est31          ?
15:14 CWz            when connecting to a server if the server doesn't respond in time client gives up. is there a setting to increase the time the client waits
15:16 Calinou        there's no reason you want to do that
15:17 Calinou        it's 30 seconds AFAIK
15:17 Calinou        even 10 seconds is a lot
15:18 CWz            feels more like 5 before it give up
15:18 kilbith        it's 10s
15:18 kilbith        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/5f0b36b8b70faa36b20343342567471c8f50b7f2
15:18 kilbith        and it's way enough
15:18 Amaz           It's 10 seconds.
15:24 CWz            anyone knows who owns dtamedia.info:50000
15:26 CraigyDavi     CWz, probably Ravi Kumar (coolicebot@hotmail.com)
15:26 CraigyDavi     * cooliceboy@hotmail.com
15:27 CWz            [off] someone there is masquerading as deezl
16:37 CraigyDavi     World 'server' not available. Available worlds: 2015-06-16 17:14:36: ERROR[main]: Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid. 2015-06-16 17:14:36: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Supplied invalid gamespec
16:37 CraigyDavi     ^ uh what's this meaning?
16:37 CraigyDavi     World server is available!
16:41 Cryterion      Hi, anyone here know which servers have far digging distance's set?
17:03 Calinou        Cryterion, I'm not sure whether disable_anticheat = true disables the check, but I think it does
17:04 Calinou        in creative mode you can dig up to 10 nodes away
17:11 Cryterion      Calinou, tks, that does comfirm that the server we trying to find is in creative mode then
17:17 Calinou        the server might have a mod to extend punch range with all items
17:17 Calinou        but by default, creative mode has an higehr punch range
17:18 Cryterion      Calinou - Video in server forum, under WhichServerIsThis
17:27 luizrpgluiz    hi all :)
17:31 Krock          meow
17:36 MinetestBot    02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Update credits tab 137b7f8b7 http://git.io/vLs9t (152015-06-16T19:34:27+02:00)
17:53 jordan4ibanez  Hi Krock
18:13 nolsen         !server BetterMTServer
18:13 MinetestBot    nolsen: BetterMTServer | 188.165.3.51 | Clients: 1/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / minetest | Ping: 7ms
18:16 nolsen         BetterMTServer is despertly looking for users.
18:19 luizrpgluiz    hahahaha, Brazilian players prefer my server to be the lightest for them
18:22 luizrpgluiz    concerned that many users are wondering how I make server, and then I say, turns around, searching on the internet, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
18:29 DusXMT         nolsen: Any requirements?
18:30 nolsen         what you mean?
18:31 nolsen         Just connect to it.
18:32 nolsen         https://sites.google.com/site/BetterMTServer
18:39 nolsen         Yay.
18:39 nolsen         !server BetterMTServer
18:39 MinetestBot    nolsen: BetterMTServer | 188.165.3.51 | Clients: 3/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / minetest | Ping: 14ms
18:39 nolsen         3 people :D
18:40 nolsen         And Ping went up higher.
18:45 Thron          Ultimate..
18:45 Thron          nolsen
18:45 nolsen         ?
18:46 nolsen         Wow, I found a lava cave but full of mese
18:46 nolsen         mese ore
18:46 nolsen         and other various of ores
18:46 nolsen         erm not mese
18:46 nolsen         sulfur
18:46 Thron          im save player ;) dont be so Big Brother checking on me down there under ;))
18:52 MinetestBot    02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: GUIFormSpecMenu::OnEvent code style update and small refactor 137a90b31 http://git.io/vLGBX (152015-06-16T20:33:07+02:00)
18:57 Jbb            Ive played mt on a 1gb ram pc
18:57 Jbb            it just worked without mods
18:58 Jbb            But there was Problems with the nvidia graphics to
18:59 jordan4ibanez_ Dafaq
18:59 jordan4ibanez_ Minetest just crashed my pc for no reason
18:59 nolsen         !mod Economy
18:59 MinetestBot    nolsen: Currency and economy [currency] by Dan Duncombe - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7002
19:00 jordan4ibanez_ Oh nope, it was simple screen recorder
19:08 nolsen         Ugh my unified skins mod stopped working
19:08 nolsen         !mod unified_skins
19:08 MinetestBot    nolsen: Could not find anything.
19:08 nolsen         !mod unified skins
19:08 MinetestBot    nolsen: Skins for unified_inventory [u_skins] by Krock - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9807
19:11 MinetestBot    02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/minetest: Simpler patch for saplings trying to grow on unknown nodes 13a1a2ac7 http://git.io/vLGVs (152015-06-16T21:07:38+02:00)
19:11 nolsen         !mod facitions
19:11 MinetestBot    nolsen: Could not find anything.
19:12 nolsen         Gonna take this in PM
19:13 nolsen         Does anyone know a mod that brings the minecraft equilivent of /tpa?
19:13 jordan4ibanez_ https://youtu.be/e71_7lpv5Kg enchants are fancy
19:13 est31          what does /tpa do?
19:14 nolsen         It's a teleport command for users, except it ask the user if the user that requested the command to teleport to you
19:14 nolsen         There's also /tpahere
19:14 jordan4ibanez_ I think I could make very nice fireworks after I'm done with this, possibly even fireworks that you can modify with a schematic
19:15 nolsen         which asks the user if the user1 that ran the command to teleport to that user1
19:15 est31          yea there is a mod
19:15 est31          dont know the name though
19:15 nolsen         est31: What mod is it?
19:15 nolsen         oh
19:15 nolsen         Maybe this should be not a mod but a MT feature :D
19:15 est31          MT is very stripped down
19:16 nolsen         BetterMTServer is one of the best servers there is :D
19:16 nolsen         Containing 123 mods.
19:17 nolsen         But balanced in speed and mods
19:19 nolsen         Now I need to restart it soon because it's behind a bit on commits.
19:19 nolsen         It must always be the latest on commit!
19:38 Calinou        https://lut.im/OebvJLdb/w38WDeHV
19:38 ElectronLibre  Wow.
19:38 ElectronLibre  Let me guess... just test?
19:39 Calinou        of course
19:39 kilbith        "just shit"
19:40 ElectronLibre  ^ Just test summed up in two words.
19:40 ElectronLibre  Other than "just test"
19:41 ElectronLibre  It's easy to recognize : lot of nodes placed everywhere, people with extra large nicknames including numbers at the end, dead corps, bad grammar, etc..
19:56 Thron          CWz
19:56 CWz            Yes
20:07 nolsen         VanessaE_: I didn't know you had Shiter erm I meant Charter for an ISP.
20:09 VanessaE_      actually charter has worked pretty well for me
20:09 VanessaE_      no complaints really
20:09 VanessaE       at least not about internet...now my computer, on the other hand......
20:09 nolsen         ._.
20:10 nolsen         Charter doesn't even have native IPv6
20:10 nolsen         And they give me 60Mbps internet download speed...but they didn't give me 60Mbps upload speed, just 4Mbps.
20:10 Jordach        nolsen, fibre or VDSL
20:10 VanessaE       that's what I have here (60/4)
20:11 VanessaE       works well enough
20:11 Jordach        i have the feeling it's copper cabling
20:11 nolsen         vDSL?
20:11 nolsen         There's no fibre going to my house
20:11 nolsen         It's coax cable
20:11 Jordach        nolsen, it's an upgrade to ADSL
20:11 Jordach        which allows duplex 1gbps up/down
20:11 nolsen         No fibre wiring here.
20:12 nolsen         Just coax cables.
20:12 Jordach        nolsen, vDSL is copper
20:12 Jordach        it's just a better connection standard
20:12 Jordach        my router / modem supports it, and is marked by the RED input jack
20:12 * VanessaE     is now the proud owner of three 1600x1200 20.1" panels
20:13 VanessaE       holy crap this is a lot of desktop space
20:13 Jordach        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-high-bit-rate_digital_subscriber_line
20:13 * nolsen       ** SysInfo ** Client: HexChat 2.10.2 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 ** CPU: AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics     (1.00 GHz) ** RAM: 3512 MB Total (961 MB Free) ** VGA: AMD Radeon(TM) R3 Graphics ** Uptime: 15.41 Hours **
20:13 nolsen         Decent specs :3
20:13 Jordach        you can potentially get more than 60/4
20:13 nolsen         Sometimes we don't even get 60/4
20:13 Jordach        "VDSL 	ITU G.993.1 	VDSL 	55 Mbit/s 	3Mbit/s 	2001-11-29"
20:13 Jordach        sounds familiar?
20:13 nolsen         I guess.
20:14 sfan5          me has normal DSL
20:14 sfan5          :(
20:14 Jordach        ADSL is BS
20:14 Jordach        fibre is coming though
20:14 Jordach        500/500
20:14 Jordach        mmmmmmmm
20:14 nolsen         DSL = Digital Subscriber Line.
20:14 nolsen         HAH
20:14 nolsen         More like DSL = Damn Slow Internet
20:14 nolsen         Or ADSL = Annoyingly Damn Slow Internet
20:15 VanessaE       Jordach: 500/500?  HAH
20:15 sfan5          depends
20:15 sfan5          i've never had something faster than dsl
20:15 sfan5          so dsl is the normal speed for me
20:15 sfan5          (it's slow i can agree on that)
20:15 nolsen         My internet speed is 100TB up, 1024TB down
20:15 nolsen         jk
20:16 nolsen         Nobody even has that speeds yet.
20:16 nolsen         We don't even have 100Gbps internet yet.
20:16 rom1504        even your ram is slower than that
20:16 Calinou        every single ISP:
20:17 Jordach        CYKA http://i.imgur.com/EPsMm1a.png
20:17 Calinou        http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/296821.jpg
20:17 Jordach        also, here's sfan5
20:17 Jordach        http://i.imgur.com/XrW2U0w.webm
20:17 VanessaE       brb
20:18 Jordach        well shit
20:18 Jordach        >Untitled Page
20:18 Jordach        shows how competant IT is in this country
20:19 Jordach        "superfast broadband (24 Megabits per second and above). "
20:20 Jordach        brb rewiring circuit box
20:20 Jordach        i get 120mbps down the road
20:26 jordan4ibanez  Jordach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9cXU2y_Lmc
20:28 Jordach        Jordach, i nearly implemented tinker's construct tool building
20:28 Jordach        shite
20:28 Jordach        lmao
20:29 nolsen         !mod map
20:29 MinetestBot    nolsen: Explore [explore_map] by Echo - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2950
20:30 nolsen         If someone created the mod from minecraft "computercraft" on minetest :D
20:31 nolsen         Then my life will be complete...I think.
20:31 kilbith        technomancy did
20:31 Jordach        >AMD Nano R9 290x at half the watts and a quarter of the size
20:31 nolsen         !mod computercraft
20:31 Cryterion      nolsen, Create it, your free to do so :)
20:31 MinetestBot    nolsen: Could not find anything.
20:31 Jordach        (card is named Nano)
20:31 nolsen         I can't.
20:31 nolsen         I don't know Java or lua.
20:32 Cryterion      do you know how to program a bit, any language
20:32 nolsen         Python.
20:32 Cryterion      lua is easier than basic
20:33 nolsen         But I would also have to know Java
20:33 nolsen         In order to make computercraft exactly like the minecraft mod
20:33 Cryterion      If you can prog Python, then just apply your concept in a lua way, read others mod code, best way the do it
20:34 nolsen         but I still couldn't do it.
20:34 nolsen         I'm not the best in python.
20:34 Cryterion      You'll never get it exact, don't expect that, and exact won't be accepted either, Make your own version
20:34 nolsen         nah.
20:35 nolsen         It must be exact
20:35 Cryterion      Your own version with your bit in it will do
20:35 nolsen         the original copy was epic
20:35 nolsen         I'll let someone else take the oppurtunity
20:35 Cryterion      You can't copy the texture's, so you'll have to draw your own
20:36 nolsen         I can't draw.
20:36 nolsen         But I'm not doing it anyways.
20:36 Jordach        !pil nolsen
20:36 MinetestBot    nolsen, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
20:36 nolsen         I'm fine.
20:37 Cryterion      nah, you got drug with a pil :)
20:37 nolsen         lol
20:37 nolsen         suuure
20:39 Taoki          Hi. Is it possible to make a server shutdown be delated after a minetest.after function has executed? So that the server doesn't close until that function has ran.
20:40 VanessaE       not sure, but you *can* register an on-shutdown hook if you need to do some kind of housekeeping
20:41 VanessaE       plants_lib does that (to play out the rest of its mapgen log)
20:41 Taoki          Don't think that works for what I need. I must delay shutdown until the function executes
20:41 VanessaE       well you could redefine the /shutdown command.
20:42 VanessaE       but I don't think you can wedge into the general shutdown code other than that ^^^ or on_shutdown
20:43 Taoki          ok. Perhaps I could add a delayer in on_shutdown... though that would be a hack
20:43 VanessaE       sure, you can do that
20:44 VanessaE       any code executing in an on_shutdown hook will hang the shutdown process until it completes
20:44 VanessaE       (and I *think* the "environment" is otherwise complete during that time, too)
20:46 nolsen         !mod u_skins
20:46 MinetestBot    nolsen: Skins for unified_inventory [u_skins] by Krock - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9807
20:48 Cryterion      Night everyone
21:03 nolsen         Finally fixed the unified skins, and now it has the Mane 6 skins! :D BRONIES UNITE!
21:22 segfault22     The function string.split() returns an array, but I'm having trouble accessing it because there is no name assigned to it. How do we assign a name to the array produced by minetest's string.split() function
21:25 VanessaE       probably just foo,bar,baz,... = string.split(blah)
21:25 VanessaE       or rather, foo =
21:25 VanessaE       looks like you'll get foo[1] = (first thing), foo[2] = (second thing), ...
21:30 segfault22     So we just put the function string.split() as the value of a variable, so that each time the variable is used, the function executes and returns it's dangling, nameless result. That should work for what I'm using it, for now at least.
21:30 segfault22     thank you
21:39 soupertrooper  hello
21:44 daswort        hi soupertrooper
21:45 soupertrooper  I was looking at the source of minetest and was wondering where it handles input and how difficult it would be to allow controller support on android. at the moment when i press buttons it recieves unhandled code or something
21:46 daswort        For such questions take a look at the developer channel: #minetest-dev soupertrooper
21:46 soupertrooper  I did check there but seemed empty
21:50 daswort        There are ~60 people. soupertrooper
21:51 soupertrooper  my fault :( lol
21:54 daswort        Have you opened a thread in the forum? Only few know the code for MT on Android, so they may not be in the channel at this moment.
22:03 nolsen         Yay
22:03 nolsen         My server has like 4 or 5 people on it
22:03 nolsen         !server BetterMTServer
22:03 MinetestBot    nolsen: BetterMTServer | 188.165.3.51 | Clients: 4/10, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / minetest | Ping: 7ms
22:04 nolsen         Ping is still good.
22:59 MrQuantumE     Hullo
23:07 air            anyone want a mod?
23:11 WindHero       that's a rather vague question
23:12 air            I wrote a mod and am looking for someone to maintain it
23:13 Sokomine       why don't you maintain it yourshelf?
23:14 air            that is the boring part, I just wanted to write one
23:14 Sokomine       you're most likely the one who knows best about your mod? truely abandomed mods are sometimes taken care of by vanessae. but she has a lot of mods to care about already
23:14 Sokomine       what does your mod do?
23:15 air            teleport between a source and destination block
23:15 WindHero       that seems rather self-maintaining
23:15 WindHero       not a lot to break in the short run
23:16 * Sokomine     nods to windhero
23:17 nolsen         UGGH
23:17 nolsen         I'm glad I fixed that bug with the PR
23:17 air            I don't play minetest much and would never use the mod
23:17 nolsen         now I have to wait till someone compiles it for windows
23:21 WindHero       If you yourself wouldn't use the mod...
23:21 WindHero       what suggests to you that others would?
23:22 WindHero       I personally believe that the best mods are the ones that their creators enjoy
23:22 air            I don't run a public server, it is good for public servers
23:22 Sokomine       hm, might be a case of a mod for a server...but even then, the creator would enjoy it on the server he plays on
23:23 WindHero       case in point: OldCoder's Moontest server used CaveRealms
23:23 air            you must own the source and destination areas to use, unlike other teleporters that let you tp into an area you don't own
23:23 WindHero       I eventually started playing there, but couldn't find the caves
23:24 WindHero       so I investigated, found the problem, and fixed it
23:26 OldCoder       WindHero, am I using the right revision?
23:27 WindHero       I believe so, but I haven't been on your server in a while
23:27 OldCoder       all right
23:27 OldCoder       Remember
23:27 OldCoder       SolarTest
23:27 OldCoder       Is the Dest
23:27 OldCoder       ination
23:27 OldCoder       WindHero, ^
23:27 WindHero       Yeah, sorry for the long absense
23:28 OldCoder       Hm no sorry
23:28 OldCoder       Just a really fun idea to play with
23:28 OldCoder       And people want to try it
23:28 OldCoder       "Why can't I fly to the Earth"
23:28 WindHero       should I work on Earth before Mars then...?
23:28 OldCoder       No Mars is the test case
23:29 OldCoder       and paramat is interested
23:29 WindHero       !
23:29 OldCoder       You can consult with him
23:29 OldCoder       If he has not changed his mind
23:29 OldCoder       He agrees
23:29 OldCoder       MT has potential and this is an example
23:30 Sokomine       solartest sounds very fine. the moontest sky is very impressive
23:30 OldCoder       We will keep it
23:30 OldCoder       SolarTest means
23:30 OldCoder       Different worlds in levels
23:30 OldCoder       Possibly with different skies
23:30 OldCoder       It is actually possible
23:30 OldCoder       To fly between worlds
23:30 WindHero       yup
23:31 OldCoder       WindHero, I am prepared to destroy and rebuild the _game and the world
23:31 OldCoder       Though I'd like to port over the buildings
23:31 OldCoder       to any new incarnation
23:31 OldCoder       When you are ready to think about this, see me and I'll give you a ZIP of the _game
23:31 WindHero       I doubt such steps will be necessary
23:31 Sokomine       guess the trouble will be to locate the buildings
23:31 OldCoder       Have not githubbed it yet but will do so
23:31 OldCoder       Sokomine, one step at a time
23:32 OldCoder       WindHero, see me for a moonzip
23:32 OldCoder       Later this month or in July
23:32 WindHero       I will
23:32 WindHero       First,
23:32 OldCoder       And BTW let me know if you know Blender people
23:32 Sokomine       anyway, good to hear that there's progress and development!
23:32 OldCoder       I need to put space helmets on the Moo-N Cows
23:32 WindHero       I should probably do a bit of maintenance on WkyTest
23:32 OldCoder       Yep
23:32 WindHero       I myself know blender
23:32 * Sokomine     currently tries to teach her traders to have a more random stock
23:32 OldCoder       You will be busy enough as it is
23:32 WindHero       but Jordach is far better than me
23:32 OldCoder       Indeed
23:33 OldCoder       If he shows up I will talk to him
23:33 WindHero       alright
23:34 WindHero       Moo-N cows... do I detect a hint of H. G. Wells?