Time Nick Message 01:42 Pilcrow Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair. Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't very fuzzy, was 'e? :P 01:44 Pilcrow aww, I was hoping that little childrens' rhyme would get a funny response from Wuzzy. :P 01:54 Pilcrow Is anyone here conscious right now, lol? Is there a way to make lua-defined hover-over elements? Similar to hovertext, but not just text, like Wawla from minecraft (http://www.minecraftmods.com/wawla/). 02:00 init amazing 02:00 Pilcrow what's amazing, init? 02:00 init I am trying luck 02:01 Pilcrow init: what do you mean? 02:01 init I am sampling a .wav into an intermediate list, then processing it and reducing it to a really low quality version of the audio 02:01 init now I am going to send that low-quality audio to my arduino, and see if I can make it play music :p 02:02 Pilcrow wow. that *is* a pretty interesting idea... :) 02:04 init if I can get performant-enough processing, and decent results, I may even do it in realtime :D 02:07 * Xenoth hands init an old MP3 player and tells him to "Have fun" 02:09 Pilcrow lol Xenoth 02:14 paramat zat could you put your earth mod up somewhere public so we can work on it? it shouldn't go to waste 02:14 blaise earth mod? 02:14 Xenoth While running a gamemode from the Server (but not singleplayer) tab, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/A2sYRUGS . Latest git pull. Kubuntu 14.04.2 LTS. 02:14 paramat i could even host it on my github account if that's okay 02:16 Xenoth Whoops, that statement is wrong. While running a map, on a gamemode named "fort", I get that crash. It doesn't happen in Singleplayer, only Server. 02:16 paramat i was hoping you would compromise on the problems and work on it anyway within the limitations of current Minetest 02:16 paramat but whatever =) 02:20 paramat thats a bug with the valleys_mapgen mod, contact the author 02:22 Xenoth paramat: Thanks - I googled the Lua-specific error, and it turns out that that happens when a seed to math.random is too large. I removed a digit, works fine now 02:22 Xenoth Doesn't seem to adversely affect the gen, either. 02:22 paramat good 02:31 paramat crumbs yes that second argument is too big at 4 billion or so 02:36 Pilcrow hello paramat. haven't seen you on irc in a while. :) 02:38 paramat hi im not often in this channel 02:40 Pilcrow yeah, you're probably on -dev if anything. but I don't go there, so I never see you. :P 02:44 ajaypay ? 02:44 Pilcrow what's up, ajaypay? 02:44 init how is it going ajaypay 02:44 ajaypay hey man 02:45 ajaypay goin well 02:45 ajaypay are any of u on trepca? 02:46 init I don't know what that is :( 02:46 ajaypay server 02:46 ajaypay on mt 02:47 Pilcrow nope. I didn't know what it was either. lol 02:47 ajaypay its a cool server 02:48 Pilcrow eh, I don't really play on public servers. just local private ones with a few good friends... 02:48 init I don't really play minetest 02:48 ajaypay k 02:48 init I am here just because people here is nice 02:48 * init hugs Pilcrow 02:48 ajaypay what? 02:48 Pilcrow lol what's that for, init? :) 02:49 init being nice 02:49 ajaypay but mt is awsome 02:49 init it is 02:49 Pilcrow ^ I agree 02:49 init I never said it isn't! 02:49 init wasn't* 02:49 ajaypay o how do u do that? 02:49 Pilcrow do what? 02:50 ajaypay do the 'hugs pillcrow' 02:51 ajaypay *like this?* 02:51 init /me 02:52 init ajaypay: try writing "/me test" 02:52 init it should show up as something like 02:52 * ajaypay says hi 02:52 * init test 02:52 init :P 02:52 * Pilcrow sits on Pilcrow's head 02:52 init that's recursive 02:52 init I don't know how you would sit on yourself though 02:52 * ajaypay gets it now 02:52 Pilcrow I am now donut-shaped. ;P 02:53 init lol 02:53 ajaypay lololol 02:53 ajaypay is that healthy thogh? 02:54 Pilcrow probably not :P 02:54 ajaypay :T 02:54 ajaypay ;D 02:55 * ajaypay falls out his bed wile laughing 02:55 ajaypay ouch ;B 02:56 Pilcrow lol 02:57 * ajaypay gets up 02:58 Pilcrow having fun with that command, ajaypay? :P 02:58 * ajaypay gets more root beer to drink 02:58 ajaypay yep 02:59 * ajaypay runs into a wall sleep walking 03:00 zat paramat: I have been so busy lately but yes I will soon. Earlier today I promised ElectronLibre that I would wake it available soon. 03:00 ajaypay okay walks. who runs in thier sleep? 03:01 ajaypay ? 03:01 * ajaypay dozes off 03:02 * ajaypay WAKE UP SELF!!! 03:03 ajaypay okay awake now 03:04 paramat cool 03:04 ajaypay yep i think 03:08 ajaypay so did everybody leav? 03:09 ajaypay or are they aready gone? 03:09 ajaypay hey 03:09 ajaypay :,'-\ 03:10 ajaypay yay 03:10 ajaypay bye 03:10 algun hello. there's a certain server with protection blocks and auto-cleaning spawn. the bug is that you can put tree trunks into protected areas. someone enclosed the spawn. does anyone have any idea how to set it on fire? 03:17 Pilcrow algun: no I don't, sorry. what server is that, by the way? and can you punch the trees, or did they become 'protected' after they were placed? 03:34 Wayward_Tab Sounds like it could possibly be one of the freeminer servers using minetest protocol 03:35 Pilcrow Wayward_Tab: are freeminer and minetest still similar enough to connect to each others' servers? 03:36 Wayward_Tab No, but an option was recently added to compile with minetest compatibility 04:56 algun Pilcrow they became protected 04:56 algun sorry for the delay 04:56 algun the server is some 80. ip 04:56 algun i think it's called a test server or something, has a decent amount of people 04:57 algun we made a trail of tree trunks outside of spawn and city area, and then lit it on fire 04:57 algun it was a 2+ blocks wide trail on average 04:57 algun 2+ block trail minimally actually 04:57 algun >=2 04:58 algun ok? geez 04:59 algun Pilcrow: 87.110.8.195(30000) 05:01 algun Pilcrow: i'm off. If you think of anything clever, use /msg MemoServ send algun message 07:10 CWz hello Zeno` 07:11 Zeno` howdy 07:11 Zeno` wassup? 07:18 CWz Zeno`: How are you? 07:18 Zeno` pretty good. Yourself? 07:20 CWz i am ok 07:26 Calinou Iceweasel 38 has landed in Stretch… but not backported to Jessie :( 07:28 Zeno` aargh Iceweasel! Sounds like a horrible monster of the forbidden ice lands that stretch across the northern hemisphere 07:33 Zeno` https://github.com: Name or service not known 07:33 Zeno` this is getting depressing :( 07:38 Krock Zeno`, why unknwon? 07:38 Zeno` nfi :( 07:39 Zeno` I think it's something to do with ipv6 but.. *shrug* 07:40 Zeno` And I can't work out how to disable ipv6 completely 07:40 * Krock is happy about the new results sorting algorythm 07:40 Krock !mod spawn 07:40 MinetestBot Krock: Multispawn[multispawn] by Pitriss - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7639 07:40 Zeno` I do lsmod | grep ipv6 and there are still modules loaded that I have blacklisted 07:40 Zeno` the new results sorting? 07:41 Krock Zeno`, on my mod search site. Some users tried to pull down the rating of some mods to get others on top but that didn't work before 07:42 Zeno` oh, cool 07:42 Zeno` finally github.com resolves 07:43 Zeno` and now it doesn't again :3 07:43 Calinou 192.30.252.131 07:43 Calinou this is their IP 07:43 Calinou (will throw a certificate warning) 07:43 Zeno` I suppose I can add that to hosts 07:43 Zeno` but it won't fix the core problem 07:43 Zeno` time to ask in ##fedora I guess 07:44 Calinou why ##? 07:45 Krock OldCoder, please write your posts bigger, I can't read them :P 07:48 OldCoder Krock, I have just had this out with Calinou 07:48 OldCoder Do not start unless you wish to do so 07:48 OldCoder Seriously 07:48 OldCoder If you do wish to do so, PM me 07:48 OldCoder I will accommodate you 07:49 OldCoder You're aware that I'm not especially friendly or nice, right? That I come across this way based on principles? 07:49 OldCoder By all means 07:49 OldCoder PM me and poke at me 07:49 OldCoder Let's talk 07:49 OldCoder :D 07:49 OldCoder :D 07:49 OldCoder :D 07:49 Krock k 07:49 Zeno` OldCoder's font seems fine to me 07:50 OldCoder Font is not the issue 07:50 Zeno` same as everybody elses font in fact 07:50 OldCoder Half the people here are Europe 07:50 OldCoder They will understand the WWII point if they think 07:50 OldCoder It is all right 07:50 OldCoder To question decisions 07:50 OldCoder The #2 rule of my business channel is 07:50 OldCoder #2 Bash Ideas Not People 07:50 Zeno` Stupid idea 07:50 OldCoder Ad Hominem deserves nothing but justice 07:51 Zeno` lol 07:51 OldCoder Which is stupid ? Go on 07:51 Zeno` (that was a little joke) 07:51 * OldCoder does not follow but whatver 07:51 * OldCoder does not follow but whatever * 07:51 OldCoder Ideas 07:51 OldCoder are there to be smashed 07:51 OldCoder I love to smash ideas 07:51 Zeno` OldCoder, Australian's have a very weird sense of humour (all of us that I associate with do anyway) 07:51 OldCoder http://tindeck.com/listen/tsjc 07:51 OldCoder I was given that song for doing so 07:51 OldCoder But there are two types of people 07:52 OldCoder Not the old joke 07:52 OldCoder about one type separates into type types and one does not 07:52 OldCoder I would exterminate 07:52 Zeno` 10 types! 07:52 OldCoder the second type that I see 07:52 OldCoder No 07:52 Krock > the WWII point -> the World War 2 point? 07:52 OldCoder Two and two only 07:52 OldCoder WWII is WW2 07:52 OldCoder Those who operate 07:52 OldCoder based on perceptions 07:52 OldCoder cannot reason 07:52 OldCoder They are to be eaten 07:52 * OldCoder has no problem with the idea of eating animals 07:52 Zeno` John Nash has been killed 07:53 Krock are they at least tasty? 07:53 OldCoder I would not know yet 07:53 OldCoder I like the idea 07:53 OldCoder of finding out 07:53 OldCoder Who is John Nash? 07:53 Krock musician I guess 07:53 OldCoder All right 07:53 Krock died 2 days ago 07:53 Zeno` no, mathematician 07:53 OldCoder Krock If you wish to pursue the discussion, PM me. 07:53 OldCoder It is advised that you do not do so. 07:54 Zeno` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr. 07:54 OldCoder 08:04 Zeno` CWz_, have you heard from deezl? 08:07 OldCoder Krock, I have received a forum PM from you. I can't tell if you are foolish or what. 08:07 OldCoder If you genuinely wish my full attention 08:07 Zeno` I guess nobody is awake in #fedora or my question is too mundane lol 08:07 OldCoder PM me here and you shall have it 08:09 Krock OldCoder, I prefer to take some time to "collect my words". But if you wish to use the PM here, okay. 08:10 OldCoder Krock, I cannot read you. I do not know if you are genuinely foolish or what the situation is. 08:10 OldCoder The remarks in the forum PM were apparently intended to provoke me. 08:10 OldCoder They will not. But you have my attention. 08:10 OldCoder PM here if you wish. 08:10 Krock That's called constucive critism 08:10 OldCoder It is idiocy 08:11 OldCoder As you entirely missed the point. 08:11 OldCoder You are a European? 08:11 OldCoder Is this so? 08:11 OldCoder German, perhaps? 08:11 OldCoder Read your own Goddamn history 08:11 OldCoder Before you presume to lecture *me* 08:11 OldCoder 08:11 Krock OldCoder, location is on my GitHub and on the forum profile visible 08:11 OldCoder And your point is? 08:11 OldCoder Are you saying that the inquiry is unreasonable? 08:12 Zeno` Is this really a debate concerning the text size of a post? 08:12 OldCoder It is not 08:12 OldCoder It is about the Holocaust 08:12 OldCoder The burning of children in the flames 08:12 Krock Zeno`, once upon a time.. yes. 08:12 * Zeno` doesn't understand the connection, but carry on ;) 08:12 OldCoder There is no carry on 08:12 OldCoder He has been invited to PM and may do so if he wishes 08:13 OldCoder You people are young 08:13 OldCoder I am old and see my life drawing to a close 08:13 OldCoder I will bring meaning to it 08:13 * Krock puts this discussion into a wheelbarrow and tilts it into a landfill 08:13 OldCoder It is inadvisable 08:13 OldCoder to cross me into this 08:13 OldCoder F*ck you 08:13 OldCoder You initiated it 08:13 OldCoder You are not privileged 08:13 Krock and I closed it 08:13 OldCoder to suggest 08:13 OldCoder that to discuss your points was unreasonable 08:14 OldCoder You are a Nazi indeed 08:14 Zeno` I'm not exactly *that* young 08:14 OldCoder To me, you are 08:14 OldCoder No offense 08:14 OldCoder Our lives are so short 08:14 OldCoder Mayflies 08:14 Zeno` Perhaps I am nearing the end of my life also 08:14 OldCoder It can happen at 10 or 12 or 20 08:14 OldCoder That is not the point 08:14 OldCoder I have known many 08:14 OldCoder so many who are dead 08:14 OldCoder Corpses 08:15 OldCoder But somehow 08:15 OldCoder We don't pause to think 08:15 OldCoder Of how very limited our Time is 08:15 Zeno` I think about it all the time 08:15 OldCoder We think that we think; but it is rare 08:15 OldCoder Very well 08:15 OldCoder I will not presume to contradict that 08:15 OldCoder I will show you more respect than others have shown me this night 08:16 OldCoder If you wish to discuss what it all means, see me elsewhere as it suits you 08:16 OldCoder For my part 08:16 OldCoder Those who wish to piss upon the last days of my life 08:16 OldCoder Are in for surprises 08:16 OldCoder More than a few 08:16 OldCoder Understand this now 08:16 OldCoder :D 08:16 Zeno` I don't wish to debate anything though 08:17 OldCoder What is "debate" ? Most people are animals 08:17 OldCoder Beasts of the field 08:17 OldCoder Possibly Krock here... it depends on how he intended a forum PM 08:17 OldCoder I respect them no more than cattle 08:17 OldCoder Less; cattle are nice 08:17 OldCoder Burgers or not 08:17 OldCoder One does not "debate" 08:17 OldCoder a cow 08:17 OldCoder If you are feeling mortal 08:17 OldCoder I am the one to speak to 08:18 OldCoder I will tell you of what I encountere 08:18 OldCoder I will tell you of what I encountered * 08:18 Zeno` Ok, I don't wish to argue about anything at all. Certainly not about the cruelty and barbarity of civilisation (not belittling it, just acknowledging it) 08:18 OldCoder When I crossed over to the other side 08:18 OldCoder There is no "civilisation" Zeno` 08:18 OldCoder The notion is laughable 08:18 OldCoder One is here to conquer; to do as the animals do, those in packs 08:19 Zeno` An oxymoron. The most peaceful people I have thus far met in my life are referred to as savages by many 08:19 OldCoder To hurt, to kill; to do as one must 08:19 OldCoder Indeed 08:19 OldCoder This is no oxymoron 08:19 OldCoder I'd go back and kill many 08:19 OldCoder If I could 08:19 OldCoder Hm 08:19 OldCoder Subject for another venue 08:19 OldCoder I know what reality is now 08:19 OldCoder I have little tolerance for bullsh*t 08:19 OldCoder This is reasonable 08:20 OldCoder If you'd like to discuss what you have seen 08:20 OldCoder The parts around the corners 08:20 OldCoder See me 08:20 OldCoder Understand my own dilemma 08:20 OldCoder I am a literal autistic corner 08:20 OldCoder I am a literal autistic coder * 08:20 OldCoder But twice now 08:20 OldCoder My face has been brushed by the wings of the One Who Does Not Speak 08:20 OldCoder 08:21 hmmmm what the.... 08:21 OldCoder He is actually there. It is sort of difficult to process. 08:21 OldCoder Hm? Late night stuff hmmmm 08:21 OldCoder Though it is your morning 08:21 OldCoder I did meet the Angel of Death, though 08:21 OldCoder He doesn't say much 08:21 OldCoder 08:22 OldCoder Not a chatty fellow at all :-) 08:57 CWz kilbith seems to have removed all is repos 09:03 mccomase OldCoder i know how one gets around on that server now...you type /spawn 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.......each of those numbers is a different spawn location 09:04 OldCoder How many are there? 09:04 OldCoder CWz, this is why mirrors are best 09:05 OldCoder I spoke of this in #minetest-dev the other night 09:05 OldCoder Several seemed to agree 09:05 OldCoder mccomase, what is your feeling about the state of the world? Does losing tech seem to have damaged it much? 09:06 mccomase I dont think it has damaged it very much...it looks and plays great 09:06 OldCoder This is good to hear. Do you have an idea of the total number of spawns? 09:06 OldCoder And did you notice travelnet booths? 09:07 mccomase 7 spawns 09:07 OldCoder To 7 major cities or areas? 09:07 mccomase yes 09:07 OldCoder Do they have travelnets to other areas or noticed that yet? 09:08 mccomase yes 09:08 OldCoder So there is more to see... 09:08 mccomase ive been to airports 09:08 mccomase yes 09:08 OldCoder In game? 09:08 mccomase yes 09:08 OldCoder I will need to come in and look around 09:08 mccomase ok 09:08 OldCoder You wanted to build... 09:09 mccomase yeah 09:09 OldCoder Would you like to try 09:09 mccomase yes 09:09 OldCoder Twin Towers in New York City with Creative? 09:09 OldCoder It is not a job for kids 09:09 OldCoder And you 09:09 OldCoder are the only adult who has offered 09:09 OldCoder Creative and WorldEdit 09:09 OldCoder plus other privs of course 09:10 mccomase yes 09:10 OldCoder It is middle of the night where I am and still must do IRL work... 09:10 OldCoder See me soon during U.S. day for access 09:10 OldCoder It is an interesting challenge 09:10 OldCoder I think the original author used templates or software 09:10 OldCoder The existing city is pretty complex 09:10 mccomase yes 09:11 OldCoder But apparently Twin Towers are missing 09:11 OldCoder Perhaps we can put them back if you agree 09:11 mccomase yes 09:11 OldCoder See me during U.S. day and we may talk further about Landrush. If you want something that no kid is going to do, New York City will be it. 09:11 OldCoder You get a copy of the map of course 09:12 OldCoder Nothing you work on is to be lost 09:12 mccomase ok see you then 09:12 OldCoder I need to do some SQL work and sleep 09:12 OldCoder ttys o/ 09:12 CWz anyway i have mirrored the money mod since there was no otehr fork on github https://github.com/ChaosWormz/minetest-money 09:13 OldCoder Hm 09:13 OldCoder What other mods did he have 09:13 OldCoder And what was the issue that disturbed him? 09:24 CWz OldCoder: i have no idea 09:24 OldCoder Mod list? Maybe I have some 09:24 OldCoder xyz will have old copies 09:27 OldCoder CWz, realclocks still exists 09:28 CWz realclocks? 09:28 OldCoder https://github.com/HybridDog/realclocks 09:28 OldCoder He started it 09:28 OldCoder HybridDog has improved it 09:29 OldCoder looks like money was most important mod 09:29 * CWz feels like hero 09:30 OldCoder You are 09:30 OldCoder It is important to save things 11:08 Telesight Jordach there is a typo in rule 2B 11:15 Jordach WAT 11:30 Telesight Jordach a typ fault, nothing serious ... 12:09 technomancy nice; getting a segfault calling meta:from_table({hello = "world"}) 12:09 technomancy in a node's after_place function 12:11 Krock meta:from_table ?? 12:11 technomancy yeah... it's not really documented except for here, so maybe I'm using it wrong? 12:11 technomancy http://dev.minetest.net/NodeMetaRef:from_table 12:12 technomancy http://p.hagelb.org/server.lua.html anything jump out as particularly stupid? 12:12 Krock look at the example, from_table is used for the complete inventory 12:14 Krock what exactly is your target? adding a value? an inventory? 12:16 technomancy I just want to do generic k/v storage 12:16 technomancy so the problem is the table I pass in has to have a specific structure that matches the example? 12:17 Krock meta:set_string("key", minetest.serialize({ hello = "world" })) 12:17 technomancy oh yeah, I see in the email now 12:17 Krock local my_table = minetest.deserialize(meta:get_string("key")); 12:17 technomancy I think metadata might be the wrong tool for this then 12:18 technomancy the tables can get on the large side, and they don't need to be sent to the clients 12:18 technomancy I just want to have them persist between server restarts, but maybe I need to handle that myself 12:18 Krock yes, use text files or somewhat else if possible 12:19 Krock data[node_pos] = {} -> serialize data and save that to a file, then load it on the next startup 12:20 technomancy yeah, looks like minetest.get_worldpath would make that easy. 12:20 technomancy cool; thanks 12:20 Krock np 12:20 technomancy then I just need to register a shutdown hook so the writes get flushed to disk 12:21 Krock protip: save it in intervals, just for the case when the server shuts down unexpected 12:21 technomancy yeah... that happens fairly frequently with my level of lua skill =) 12:22 Krock every fail makes you smarter, so don't worry - be happy! 12:25 technomancy heh 12:28 technomancy is there a built-in function for converting a node pos into a value that can be used as a table key? 12:38 Tekken magical-nodepos-to-tkey-converter 12:39 technomancy well I'm using local key_for = function(p) return "p" .. p.x .. "-" .. p.y .. "-" .. p.z end 12:39 technomancy but I'm sure I can't be the first person to need that function 13:14 technomancy huh dang; the digiterm author looks to have switched to freeminer 13:15 technomancy I guess I won't be sending a pull request 13:15 technomancy zero stars and zero forks ಥ_ಥ 13:40 CaveJohnson "Unlike Minetest it aims to make the game fun while trading off some bits of perfectionism." 13:40 CaveJohnson eh 13:43 technomancy yeah, meh 13:43 technomancy I don't want a fun game, I want an engine to use to build my own cool stuff 13:47 technomancy less shitty name tho 14:02 jojoa1997 CaveJohnson what game? 14:02 CaveJohnson jojoa1997: freeminer 14:02 CaveJohnson not a game :P 14:02 CaveJohnson the engine 14:02 jojoa1997 ah 14:03 technomancy aw crap... can't coroutine.yield() in my mod or it brings down the whole server 14:04 technomancy I guess that means you can't do any kinds of queues? 14:06 CaveJohnson segfault? 14:07 technomancy no just /home/phil/src/minetest/src/server.cpp:494: void Server::step(float): A fatal error occurred: ...inetest/bin/../games/calandria/mods/calandria/server.lua:24: attempt to yield across C-call boundary 14:07 ajaypay ? 14:07 ajaypay oh 14:07 CaveJohnson weird 14:08 ajaypay yeah......... 14:08 technomancy actually yeah... I know dronetest has used coroutines successfully 14:09 * ajaypay is a slow typer 14:09 ajaypay yes i am 14:10 ajaypay yo tab 14:11 ajaypay i will be playing mt on trepca 14:11 ajaypay today 14:12 ajaypay um hello? 14:12 ajaypay ? 14:15 ajaypay does anyone know how to make infanite water and lava source? 14:15 ajaypay is it possible 14:15 ajaypay ? 14:16 ADFENO Yes.... Kind of... 14:16 ajaypay how????? 14:17 ADFENO Two ways: 1. Through [worldedit]'s //set default:water_source... 14:18 ajaypay i mean to make one 14:18 ADFENO 2. Use a water bucket diagonally to a lone water source, in the same height. 14:18 ajaypay ok 14:19 ajaypay so thats how u do it 14:19 Telesight Hello I get a serialization error in version 0.4.12 14:19 ADFENO Problem is: It's not really "infinite" as any player can dig it with a bucket too, so ending the flowing water. 14:19 ajaypay k makes ¢ents 14:20 Telesight The server is probably running a different version of Minetest 14:20 ADFENO Neighboring water sources won't be affected by the player's use of the bucket, that is, they will flow and join to form other water source. 14:20 Telesight That is not the case; mande with 0.4.12 and run with 0.4.12 14:20 Telesight made 14:22 ajaypay oh so it wont return after digging? 14:25 ajaypay ? 14:26 ajaypay ? 14:26 ajaypay hello? 14:27 ajaypay how do i make teleporters work 14:28 ajaypay on trepca 14:32 ajaypay ? 14:33 Krock ..teleporters?? 14:36 ajaypay yes 14:37 ajaypay teleporters 14:37 ajaypay anyone? 14:38 ajaypay ? 14:39 Amaz ajaypay, please read the irc rules here: http://www.minetest.net/irc 14:39 Amaz Specifically the "Be patient when you ask something, people might not be around" one/ 14:40 ajaypay k 14:40 ajaypay i am about to go on trepca 14:42 ajaypay i will be patents 14:42 ajaypay patient 14:46 ajaypay thanx amaz 14:50 ADFENO Oh my... Sorry for leaving all of a sudden... 14:51 ADFENO ajaypay: The water source DOES return, thanks to the neighboring water sources which converge in the same node. 15:03 Calinou https://lut.im/So6tWfbU/Av07JqC0 15:16 Telesight Hello I get a serialization error in version 0.4.12 15:17 Telesight The server is probably running a different version of Minetest 15:17 Telesight That is not the case; made with 0.4.12 and run with 0.4.12 15:17 Krock did you enable the strict protocol version checking? 15:18 Telesight I do not think so, where is that setting? 15:18 Krock minetest.conf 15:18 Krock on the server 15:19 Telesight Yes , moment have to check this ... 15:19 Krock perhaps you're using a new 0.4.12-dev version as client or even 0.5.0 15:19 technomancy digiterm has this crazy thing where you press escape and it re-opens the form immediately 15:19 CWz 0.5.0 hasn't been touched in quite a while 15:19 technomancy you have to hold down esc for several seconds to get it to actually close 15:19 technomancy digging through the code to try and spot the bug, but does that sound familiar to anyone? 15:21 Telesight NO I use stable 15:21 * VanessaE peeks in 15:21 Krock technomancy, why are you using spaces to intend? 15:21 Krock ouch, VanessaE, why? 15:21 VanessaE heh 15:21 VanessaE hi :) 15:21 Krock hi 15:22 Krock technomancy, you know, the space from a new line to the first character of the next line.. 15:23 Telesight I do not see a strict protocol setting in conf 15:23 Krock Telesight, are you using 0.4.12 stable? 15:23 Telesight Yes 15:23 Krock I mean, for server and client 15:23 Telesight Yes both 15:24 Krock that's strange... 15:24 technomancy Krock: because I hate tabs 15:24 Krock technomancy, did they do something evil? 15:25 AndroidKris What's the difference in a solar panel and a solar array in the technic mod? 15:25 technomancy they only exist in order to support allowing different people to render code differently, which is pointless 15:26 Telesight I get; ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found! 15:26 technomancy it's my code, if you want to read it, you can read it the way I intended it to be read 15:27 technomancy anyway, didn't come here to start a flame war 15:27 technomancy (but emacs rules) 15:27 VanessaE Telesight: that's easy to fix 15:27 Krock kill it with fire x.x 15:28 Telesight Vanessa: Well I am excited ... 15:28 Telesight to hear ... 15:28 VanessaE Telesight: find the env_meta.txt for the world in question 15:28 VanessaE replace its contents (if any) with: 15:28 VanessaE game_time = 65987424 15:28 VanessaE time_of_day = 8000 15:28 VanessaE EnvArgsEnd 15:28 YvesLevier VanessaE: ;) 15:28 VanessaE hi YvesLevier 15:29 YvesLevier VanessaE: im with Calinou - brb sister 15:29 VanessaE it doesn't really matter what values you plug in here as long as the file is formatted correctly. 15:30 Jordach wat? 15:30 VanessaE YvesLevier: huh? 15:31 Krock !c 65987424 / 3600 / 24 15:31 MinetestBot 763.7433333333333 15:31 Krock VanessaE, that are almost 3 years.. 15:31 VanessaE Krock: that's probably milliseconds. 15:31 AndroidKris Correction on my last (and sorry for disconnecting) The Technic mod solar panels. What's the difference between the "Arrayed Solar LV generator" and the "Small Solar LV generator"? 15:32 YvesLevier VanessaE: Im still stuck. Unable to restart my server on my new disk. 15:32 VanessaE YvesLevier: it starts and then crashes, yes? 15:32 VanessaE as with last night 15:32 YvesLevier Yes 15:32 Krock Ah yes, miliseconds makes sense 15:32 YvesLevier VanessaE: i tried to install from repository 15:33 VanessaE YvesLevier: do not use the one in the official repository, it's outdated. 15:33 YvesLevier ... 15:33 VanessaE try doing: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade 15:33 YvesLevier VanessaE: on it 15:33 VanessaE that'll get today's build and it'll also update your other libraries as well 15:34 Telesight Vanessa, the server starts now: that is great. But one ends somewhere in "nothing" ... 15:34 VanessaE Telesight: just /teleport foo,bar,baz 15:34 VanessaE where foo/bar/baz are coords for someplace you're familiar with 15:34 AndroidKris Or shorten the command by: sudo apt-get update && upgrade 15:35 YvesLevier VanessaE: Then i put back my original /home/.minetest and /home/Yves/Desktop/Minetest 15:35 VanessaE AndroidKris: no. 15:35 YvesLevier VanessaE: then i update? 15:35 Calinou AndroidKris, just tried it, it doesn't work ;) 15:35 Calinou you get "unknown command: upgrade" 15:35 AndroidKris Ah, was wondering if someone had noticed me.lol 15:35 VanessaE YvesLevier: yeah, but remember that /home/Yves/Desktop/Minetest is an old build that you don't want to use yet. 15:35 VanessaE Calinou: see /msg 15:35 Calinou I saw it 15:36 YvesLevier kk 15:36 YvesLevier on it 15:39 Telesight Vanessa something like /teleport 100,100,100 ? 15:39 VanessaE Telesight: yeah 15:39 VanessaE most people start close to 0,0,0 so you could try there 15:39 VanessaE also, turn on fly and noclip 15:40 VanessaE as you might end up teleporting into the sky, or inside the ground 15:40 VanessaE (and if you do the latter, you'll end up only seeing blacvk) 15:40 VanessaE black* 15:41 YvesLevier VanessaE: done 15:41 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok, launch the server again 15:42 YvesLevier VanessaE: minetestserver --worldname StCamille 15:42 YvesLevier ? 15:42 VanessaE btw, anyone else know why he's only getting `minetest` (and hence needs to use --server) and not the standalone `minetestserver` with the PPA builds? 15:42 VanessaE minetest --server --worldname StCamille 15:42 YvesLevier on it 15:43 YvesLevier server started few errors no warning 15:43 YvesLevier VanessaE: ^ 15:44 VanessaE ok 15:44 VanessaE er, looks like it never started. 15:44 YvesLevier we both look more fresh than this night VanE ;) 15:44 VanessaE pastebin the errors 15:44 YvesLevier ok 15:45 VanessaE YvesLevier: if you have to, sudo apt-get remove minetest and then go search through your system for traces of Minetest ( find / |grep -i minetest ) and delete anything you come across, and then sudo apt-get install minetest 15:45 VanessaE (anything other than the stuff in your ~home of course) 15:46 YvesLevier VanessaE: dont worry - i did put all my old stuff on an NTFS partition cause of ownership 15:46 Telesight Vanessa I stay on 0,0,0 teleport to 100,100,100 and nothing happens 15:47 VanessaE Telesight: that's odd. /teleport ought to put you somewhere sane 15:47 YvesLevier i did made a teleporter to 0,0,0 (had to dig) 15:47 YvesLevier brb i try VanE supress all 15:47 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok. but remember you'll want to run your worlds from a native filesystem, not NTFS 15:48 YvesLevier VanessaE: Of course 15:48 YvesLevier NTFS only to keep a copy 15:48 VanessaE right 15:48 YvesLevier no other reason to keep that ;) 15:48 VanessaE not that ownership matters in a minetest tree, as long as you have write access. 15:49 Telesight Vanessa the command /teleport gives no execution 15:49 YvesLevier didnt take chances 15:49 VanessaE YvesLevier: next thing you need to do by the way is make sure your minetest_game is also up-to-date. 15:49 Telesight issued command ... 15:49 VanessaE Telesight: odd. 15:49 YvesLevier VanessaE: will remember 15:50 VanessaE YvesLevier: there is a security rewrite that went in, mods run inside a sandbox now -- it's possible you're running something that violates the sandbox, but which the engine isn't reporting properly when it crashes. 15:51 YvesLevier VanessaE: Thats what Warnings (i finaly found) are telling 15:51 Telesight Vanessa I am locked at 0,0,0 15:51 YvesLevier numerous warnings btw 15:51 VanessaE Telesight: sounds like your server crashed again 15:53 Telesight hmmm 15:53 YvesLevier VanessaE: i delete all them individualy? 15:54 YvesLevier lol too many copies 15:54 YvesLevier brb 15:54 VanessaE YvesLevier: as needed yeah - as long as what you're deleting is minetest-related. you can sudo rm -rf /some/minetest/dir if you need to 15:54 YvesLevier thx 15:55 VanessaE just be careful with what you delete 15:55 Telesight Error[Serverthread] : Got packet command .... 15:55 Telesight 50 for peer id 2 but client is nt active yet 15:56 VanessaE yep 15:56 VanessaE that's a disconnect 15:56 VanessaE just close your client and try again 15:56 VanessaE I've had the same thing happen on a couple of my servers due to player object being "deleted" with entities near it 16:04 Telesight Vanessa As single player in can loggin and move ... 16:04 Telesight I 16:05 est31 VanessaE, thanks for reminding that I wanted to crunch that bug one day... 16:05 VanessaE est31: PLEASE DO! 16:05 YvesLevier VanessaE: im about to clone my original disk. But for now im still on what you told me VanW 16:05 VanessaE that bug has all but killed my Creative server. 16:05 YvesLevier *VanessaE 16:05 VanessaE YvesLevier: wait what? 16:06 YvesLevier im have 2 disks - 1 is about to die and the other is new and fresh 16:06 VanessaE YvesLevier: yes, and you already installed your OS and minetest on the new disk I thought? 16:06 YvesLevier tempted to use Gparted and clone 16:07 YvesLevier i did but i dont mind to clone my old disk... well... even im never sure of that 16:07 YvesLevier both 1Tb 16:07 VanessaE well you could clone from failing disk --> new disk I guess 16:08 YvesLevier My clients wont have problems even they are newer release then my server. Right? 16:08 YvesLevier *than 16:09 YvesLevier btw Heya est 16:09 VanessaE they should be fine 16:10 YvesLevier im out for a while then. Cloning! 16:10 est31 gparted is a bit unsafe 16:10 est31 best is to use ddrescue I think 16:10 YvesLevier listening est 16:10 YvesLevier ddrescrue then 16:10 YvesLevier on it 16:10 est31 ddrescue has multiple features 16:10 est31 e.g. you can specify a logfile 16:11 est31 then you can stop copying mid-process 16:11 est31 also it works really well with disk erros 16:11 est31 errors* 16:11 est31 what gparted does is simple dd I think 16:11 est31 lemme see 16:11 YvesLevier i find it in depository? 16:12 est31 apt-get install gddrescue 16:12 YvesLevier thx 16:12 YvesLevier <--- didnt tell yet but : im about to get crazy 16:12 YvesLevier thx friends 16:12 VanessaE oh bou 16:12 VanessaE oh boy 16:12 VanessaE I hope you keep backups :) 16:13 YvesLevier installed nothing on my new disk i want to preserve 16:13 YvesLevier est31: im safe? 16:15 YvesLevier VanessaE: backups of my mental integrity? What command for that plz 16:15 YvesLevier :P 16:15 VanessaE lol 16:16 YvesLevier est31: installed. Now plz? 16:16 YvesLevier anyway i come back with my old disk 16:16 VanessaE YvesLevier: wait 16:17 YvesLevier VanessaE: Waiting 16:17 VanessaE you have to boot from a disk or partition that is not involved in the copy 16:17 est31 YvesLevier, you are sure both disks are unmounted? 16:17 VanessaE i.e. boot from a live USB image or so 16:17 est31 yup 16:17 YvesLevier kk 16:17 YvesLevier then i note down your "apt-get install gddrescue" i will make from my key 16:18 YvesLevier Then will try open Thunderdird 16:30 YvesLevier Im back on my old disk (note than by bad sectors were moved to something that looks as an USB hided device. 16:31 YvesLevier will your command (i forgot to note down) will work? 16:31 YvesLevier Est ^ 16:31 VanessaE [05-25 12:19] apt-get install gddrescue \ 16:31 VanessaE -\ 16:31 YvesLevier Thx VanE 16:32 VanessaE you can't boot from that disk though 16:32 VanessaE you HAVE to boot from something that is not involved in the copy 16:32 VanessaE like a USB live image 16:32 YvesLevier yes im on it 16:32 YvesLevier running to buy an USB device atm 16:32 VanessaE pl 16:32 VanessaE ok 16:34 VanessaE just a cheap little 4-8 GB thumb drive is all you need, YvesLevier 16:35 VanessaE install an *ubuntu live image to it, as if you were gonna use the thumb drive to install a system (but you won't, you'll just boot from it to run those copy commands) 16:36 YvesLevier i begin by trying my old disk on minetest 16:47 YvesLevier My original disk works perfect 16:47 YvesLevier installing U14.04 on my key 17:08 Telesight Vanessa I am afraid i have a memory fault with a laptop on which the minetest server was build ... 17:08 VanessaE Telesight: ouch 17:08 Telesight Yes bye laptop 17:08 VanessaE well one would hope you'll try to fix it first :) 17:09 VanessaE memory on some laptops is replaceable/upgradeable 17:09 Telesight It hangs on the Ubuntu memory check 17:09 Telesight not good 17:10 VanessaE time to get a screwdriver I guess :P 17:11 est31 very very interesting 17:11 VanessaE ? 17:11 Telesight I think there was a crash that destroyed the world ... 17:11 est31 the moment I start minetest, my desktop stops working 17:11 Telesight est13 Memory test I advice ...;-) 17:11 VanessaE eep 17:11 est31 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop/+bug/1455278 17:12 est31 now I know what causes that bug :) 17:51 VanessaE bbl 18:16 ElectronLibre zat, any news about your subgame? 18:17 ElectronLibre By the way I just found out that loggingbot_ can record parts, but not quits.. 18:17 zat ElectronLibre: I will make it available in my own git repo today I expect but I am being annoyed by a client of a client 18:18 zat guess what, a health insurance company asked us to install a "social platform" or their employees. 18:18 zat now their manager of that project, a really annoying woman, strikes again with her enlightening ideas. 18:18 zat she wants all users be friends of all users. 18:19 zat for* their employees (I meant) 18:20 ElectronLibre People with differents ideas. Sometimes some forget that other people have to find out how to code and deploy their silly or complex ideas. 18:20 zat It just took an insert with a select and a join, pretty simple, but the idea is plain silly 18:21 zat it simply defeats the purpose of having a friends list 18:21 ElectronLibre If everyone is friend with everyone, then, yes, they are not really friends. 18:21 zat probably in her fantasy word whose server is running in her mind, all are good friends 18:21 zat and she is not annoying also 18:22 ElectronLibre Maybe, but this is not the reality. 18:22 zat :P 18:32 Kenney Hai guys 18:36 blaise !up midnightsystems.net 18:37 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 seems to be down 18:37 blaise Gah 18:37 blaise oh well 18:37 blaise lmao 18:37 blaise I'm going to have to get a nice shell to host it I guess 18:37 blaise that's cool though 18:37 blaise XD 18:54 Krock If you're ever bored, try to understand this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/8-cell.gif 18:54 Kenney my brain just melted 18:54 Krock gawd no, why didn't I post it earlier? 18:55 ElectronLibre Good illusion. 18:55 Kenney ugh, trying to make leaves on trees look good in the distance 18:55 Krock that's a 4D .. thing displayed with a 3D rotation on a 2D screen 18:56 Kenney http://puu.sh/i0df5/667bc9921f.jpg 18:56 Krock Kenney, turn on antialiasing 18:56 Kenney due to some kind of issue they get white in the distance, probably related to anti alias 18:56 ElectronLibre I personally also like this one : https://lut.im/TZd5Hz2B/pHmYY745 18:56 Kenney well, it's all up in that screenshot 18:56 Amaz That gave me a headache Krock! Bad Krock! 18:56 Krock Amaz, np. 18:57 Krock ElectronLibre, I've seen this about a month ago... great stuff! Infinite coffee! 18:57 Krock ..and cookies 18:57 ElectronLibre Infinite cookies \o/ 18:57 Amaz But Krock, they become sooooo small as you go further and further down.... 18:57 Kenney Compared to Minecraft; http://puu.sh/i0dnM/9577bc3540.jpg 18:58 Krock Amaz, imagine the real size is at 200 loops. Omg that cookie mass 18:58 Krock Kenney, can shaders or any other filters help to solve this visual problem? 18:59 Amaz :D 18:59 Kenney I have no clue, not sure what the issue is called or what makes it happen 18:59 Kenney Low quality transparency? low anti-alias in distance? ...no idea 19:00 Kenney been bugging me since I started using Minetest 19:00 Kenney something like high anti-alias in the distance could fix it, OR, allow for alternative distance textures which aren't transparent 19:02 sfan5 due to some kind of issue they get white in the distance, probably related to anti alias 19:02 sfan5 mip mapping possibly 19:02 Kenney That's turned on in my configuration though 19:02 Amaz Something around this area of minetest.conf might fix it: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L209-L224 19:03 Kenney alright, gonna tinker - gimme a sec 19:03 Kenney oh wow 19:03 Kenney texture_clean_transparent = true 19:03 Kenney that absolutely did the trick 19:04 Kenney before/after: http://puu.sh/i0dS8/31bfe7972c.jpg 19:05 Amaz That looks a lot better! 19:05 sfan5 nice 19:05 sfan5 imo the opaque water looks weird 19:05 Calinou make sure your transparent pixels are green-ish 19:05 sfan5 but that's personal preference 19:05 Calinou and not black or white 19:05 Kenney Ah well there aren't any semi-transparent pixels in there 19:05 Kenney I guess Photoshop optimizes the textures in a rather bad way 19:06 Kenney also yes, opaque water is weird 19:06 Kenney makes it look like a SNES game of sorts 19:06 Calinou looks like Quake 1 19:06 sfan5 photoshop probably does what any sane application does: set the color in completly transparent pixels to black 19:06 Calinou but in that game, pros whine when you make water transparent :) 19:07 Kenney Had no idea transparent pixels had a color in PNG...what I lousy designer I am 19:07 Calinou s/designer/Photoshop user :P 19:08 ElectronLibre Ok, I need opinions from experimented MT modders : would it be useful to have multiple command names for one function or just a plain waste of code and clarity in the commandlist. (I'm trying to proving to someone it's a bad idea to have multiple command names for one action). 19:08 Kenney actually draw all of voxus' textures in MS Paint 19:08 Kenney the Win XP version, the one after that sucks 19:08 sfan5 you might enjoy paint.net 19:09 sfan5 890 kbps connection speed to youtube again, great! (not.) 19:09 Kenney nah, tried it, after 10 years of pixelart in MS Paint you can't really switch to anything else 19:09 Kenney for better or for worse 19:10 Calinou multiple commands for one action = leads to inconsistency 19:10 Kenney ^ 19:10 ElectronLibre Thank you Calinou. 19:16 Sokomine hm. it's a pity there's no good upload method right now for pictures. hm. well...forum attachment...that might do 19:17 Kenney imgur.com is brilliant, otherwise puu.sh for quick shares 19:17 Calinou use lut.im 19:23 Kenney Quick question; in the settings you can enable 'node highlighting' but it always seems to make the halo.png picture white transparent 19:23 Kenney Any way to disable that, and just show the picture without any transparency? 19:27 Sokomine does any of these work without javascript? that's usually my problem 19:36 Kenney Alright, up next; slightly different tinted trees. http://puu.sh/i0gmb/52e710f291.jpg 19:44 Sokomine kenney: hm. they look very similar to the grass. but it's hard to tell; it may look totally different if you move around. anyway: very nice colors and textures! 19:47 Kenney They do a bit 19:48 Kenney http://puu.sh/i0htR/ec32f303b6.jpg 19:48 Kenney Need to tweak the colors though 19:51 Sokomine Kenney: oh! that looks very nice. the diffrent colors of the leaves contribute a lot 19:51 Kenney Yep, now make the map generator randomly rotate the leave nodes - that will make sure you don't see repeating textures so much 21:17 YvesLevier Minetest operational. 100% operational on my new disk. THANKS EVERYBODY <3 21:34 YvesLevier In few, i will invite you to - seen - how your work was usefull in order to make virtual what look like our true village. Impossible thing out of the excellent work youre making VanE :) 21:38 YvesLevier maybe my last sentence not real english. Hoping you can guess what im telling ;) 21:45 Kenney Putting together an extensive list of eye candy features for Minetest 21:55 Kenney Done! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12261 22:45 Kenney Last progress pic of the day, made really good progress http://puu.sh/i0uo1/74df8207b1.jpg 23:05 YvesLevier Dont ask me how i did that but im always in smog! someone can help plz? 23:07 YvesLevier Also i would want to change language 23:32 zat a thing that Minetest REALLY needs is on-demand block registration with clients. 23:40 est31 what do you mean? 23:51 zat having every block in the server with all their textures downloaded upon connection is horrible 23:51 OldCoder Hm? Textures are downloaded but not the blocks I think. 23:51 * OldCoder is on errands 23:54 zat OldCoder: probably not their definitions but their textures alone are too much 23:54 zat they should come on demand 23:54 zat that would so end with connection issues 23:57 * Sokomine stares at a world covered in glass