Time Nick Message 00:00 tomlukeywood do you think i could run minetest on a 400mhz cpu? 00:00 tomlukeywood arm v4 00:04 twoelk this game among others is designed for low spec servers https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=9192 00:06 RealBadAngel rotfl, unbeliveable what hidden things you can see with minimapper 00:07 RealBadAngel hmmmm, have you coded desert chicken in mapgen? http://i.imgur.com/V40VEup.jpg 00:08 VanessaE cock-a-doodle-do. 00:08 Chanku lel 00:08 * twoelk uses the minetestmapper to map minecart systems 00:08 hmmmm huh? 00:08 Chanku Hrm.... 00:09 RealBadAngel hmmmm, so whats that if not a chicken? ;) 00:10 hmmmm it looks like a random patch of mapgen v6 terrain 00:10 VanessaE RealBadAngel: looks more like a tyrannosaurus chicken ;) 00:11 RealBadAngel whatever it is, it has legs and seems to be running ;) 00:11 usandfriends It's hard to look around, latest version, MacOSX 00:12 usandfriends Like when I move my mouse horizontally, it just stops at random places. 00:16 usandfriends It might be the rendering... 00:16 twoelk http://i.imgur.com/63001eo.png <- not uptodate map of rails on VE-C 00:17 est31 nice 00:17 twoelk RealBadAngel: maybe your minimap could show a subway plan 00:18 est31 meh, no 00:18 est31 far too specialized 00:18 est31 already now minimap has too much nodes 00:18 VanessaE twoelk: it already has a "radar" mode 00:19 VanessaE twoelk: it's interesting - I didn't know the subway system on VE-C had gone out that far. 00:19 VanessaE too bad carts suck 00:19 usandfriends Where do I file bugs? 00:19 VanessaE usandfriends: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new 00:19 est31 usandfriends, for minetest or minetest_game? 00:20 usandfriends I'm guessing minetest. 00:20 est31 what is your bug? 00:21 usandfriends Scaling on OSX is messed up. The menu inputs do not scale properly. I have to click in the same place as before the scale to select the menu items. 00:21 est31 thats a minetest bug yes 00:21 est31 best to have a screenshot 00:22 usandfriends And how about the scrolling bug? Scrolling is not smooth, it stops at random places. 00:22 usandfriends I think it may have to do with rendering blocking the thread, assuming scrolling handler and renderer are on the same thread. 00:22 est31 scrolling? in which way? 00:23 usandfriends Sorry not scrolling, looking around. 00:23 est31 ah 00:23 usandfriends Moving my mouse. 00:23 est31 yea 00:23 usandfriends Mind, this is all on OSX. 00:23 est31 yes that is because its the same thread 00:24 est31 your FPS is just simply low 00:24 est31 try to set the graphics settings down 00:24 est31 and for the scaling bug, a screenshot would be great 00:31 usandfriends est31: So I turned off all the options in Settings, it's still really hard to look around. 00:32 usandfriends I also quit all my other applications except my client and Minetest. 00:35 twoelk VanessaE: another version, more recent but less of the map http://i.imgur.com/hajVySk.png 00:36 VanessaE wow 00:36 twoelk note the streams and the hidden irrigation under my weheat field in the north 00:36 twoelk +wheat 00:36 VanessaE yep, I see them 03:00 mccomase Oldcoder can i be a builder on one of your servers im 22 and a great builder 03:01 OldCoder mccomase, yes 03:01 OldCoder Stop jumping around :P 03:01 OldCoder I assume you mean moderator or admin 03:01 OldCoder Since anybody can be a "builder" 03:01 mccomase just builder 03:01 OldCoder well, sure 03:01 mccomase thank you 03:01 OldCoder Care to come help clean up Landrush or Finerealms? 03:01 OldCoder these are unusual worlds 03:02 mccomase ok cool 03:02 OldCoder See me in Landrush perhaps 03:02 OldCoder To start 03:02 OldCoder You can help revive 03:02 OldCoder a noble world 03:02 mccomase tok 03:02 OldCoder If you do mccomase I will offer you some deals 03:05 mccomase cool 03:05 mccomase im in the server 03:16 blaise hrmm 03:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Biome API, mgv7: Increase heat/humidity spreads. Improve mgv7 noise parameters 13774e5d1 http://git.io/vT5sC (152015-05-24T04:33:09+01:00) 04:01 Chanku hmmm 04:02 * Chanku tries to think of how to do something in this mod of mine.... 08:02 Krock Pilot feature: User avatars displayed next to the author name ( http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php?q=map ) 11:52 ajaypay does anyone know how to work travelnet boxes 11:53 ElectronLibre Lifts or teleporters? 11:53 ajaypay teleporters 11:54 ElectronLibre If I remember correctly you have to give them a channel or something like that, and then a number or a name, then you go back to the previous travel boxes with the same channel and refresh the list. 11:55 ajaypay so are they hard to use? 11:55 ElectronLibre No. 11:55 ajaypay ok 11:56 ElectronLibre You enter, the door close, a GUI open, you click a button, you're teleported, then the door open, and you're free. 11:56 ajaypay i biult some on trepca and they didnt work 11:57 ajaypay k 11:57 ElectronLibre Maybe they were lifts, then you have to place them in the same vertical axis. 11:57 ajaypay the poblic one does that 11:58 ajaypay no it was whit box 11:58 ElectronLibre Well, they were teleport boxes then. 11:58 ajaypay ok 11:58 ElectronLibre I've not used this mod since a while, I should look at it again. 12:00 ajaypay so it neds a mese block and i cant find one 12:01 ajaypay my geus is that there in the ground. 12:02 ajaypay the mod is cool though 12:06 ajaypay how do you herd sheep in an encosure ?mine always disapear 12:07 ElectronLibre Keeping animals in a closed cage or in an enclosure is complicated, they might disappear because they lifetime is over, or after a clearobjects. It's very complicated and I don't have a clue. 12:08 ElectronLibre s/they/their 12:18 CWz https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.magichet.magichet um no source for this one it seems maybe i missed it 12:42 Zeno` ugh, internet is still broken :( 12:42 Zeno` fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git/': Could not resolve host: github.com 12:42 Zeno` stupid POS 12:43 marytheminer_ hi is anybody there? 12:43 * Zeno` looks 12:43 Zeno` hmm 12:43 VanessaE hi 12:43 marytheminer_ hey 12:44 Zeno` not that I can see. /me looks under the bed. AHA! A VanessaE is here 12:44 Zeno` she obviously cannot sleep again :( 12:44 marytheminer_ :000 im talking to moderators!! 12:44 VanessaE actually I did sleep, just not much 12:44 * Zeno` is a moderator 12:44 Zeno` well, I am moderately moderate 12:44 marytheminer_ i slept well 12:45 marytheminer_ Zeno: lol 12:45 Zeno` meh, it's 9AM for you VanessaE 12:45 Zeno` early bird catches the worm. That's my motto 12:45 marytheminer_ it's 9:01 for me 12:45 Zeno` I don't like worms though so you can eat them all 12:45 VanessaE you can keep those worms for yourself :P 12:45 marytheminer_ blech 12:46 marytheminer_ yeah please 12:46 Zeno` lol, I watched a cooking show the other night and they cooked baby eels 12:46 Zeno` they kinda looked like worms 12:46 marytheminer_ eeeeeeeeewwwwwwww 12:46 est31 worms provide precious nutrition. too bad I've eaten today already 12:46 marytheminer_ i never eat wierd stuff 12:46 Zeno` that's correct est31! 12:46 Zeno` est31, do you never sleep either? 12:47 Zeno` sheesh, I get the flu, spend a week in bed and everyone has gone stark raving mad 12:47 est31 I'm planning to 12:47 marytheminer_ heehee 12:47 est31 (not getting mad, sleeping) 12:47 Zeno` est31, that warning should be fixed 12:47 Zeno` I'll fix it if you want 12:47 est31 which warning? 12:47 VanessaE I was already crazyu :) 12:47 VanessaE -u 12:47 est31 the srp warning? 12:47 marytheminer_ what warning? 12:47 Zeno` *nod* 12:47 est31 ah yea 12:47 est31 srp is external code 12:47 Zeno` grrr 12:48 marytheminer_ you are talking code 12:48 est31 so you should ask the upstream maintainer to fix it :) 12:48 est31 like ... me :p 12:48 Zeno` grrr 12:48 Zeno` i am a lion! 12:48 marytheminer_ :) 12:48 est31 btw thats a clang warning isnt it? 12:48 marytheminer_ lions cant type 12:48 Zeno` I think it's a glibc warning 12:49 est31 bc I don't get it 12:49 Zeno` (i.e. has warn_unused parameter set for the fn prototype or something) 12:49 VanessaE marytheminer_: sure they can, with a big enough keyboard ;) 12:49 est31 and travis doesnt get it either 12:49 Zeno` maybe different glibc version 12:49 marytheminer_ neither do i 12:49 marytheminer_ glibc? 12:50 marytheminer_ oh is that it? 12:51 marytheminer_ hey where did everybody go? 12:51 marytheminer_ wierd. 12:51 VanessaE we're all still here, mary 12:51 est31 so Zeno` you can push to upstream repo now 12:51 marytheminer_ oh. you must have pretty long answers 12:51 est31 and fix the warning 12:52 * Zeno` cooks breakfast for VanessaE and marytheminer_. Scrambled eggs (with a squeeze of orange juice... seriously), crispy bacon, mushrooms and toast made from freshly baked bread 12:52 Zeno` enjoy! 12:52 VanessaE mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 12:52 marytheminer_ yum 12:52 marytheminer_ *licks llips* 12:52 Zeno` I can push to upstream? 12:52 est31 look into your github notifications 12:52 * Zeno` looks 12:53 Zeno` if it'll load :/ 12:53 marytheminer_ im leaving to enjoy my yummy food :) 12:53 Jordach_ don't tempt the people who like eating in here 12:53 Zeno` haha :) 12:53 marytheminer_ :D 12:53 Zeno` (that is seriously what I had this morning for breakfast) 12:53 VanessaE come over here and cook breakfast for us ;) 12:54 Zeno` I would if I could 12:54 Zeno` I am master breadmaker now 12:54 Zeno` est31, cool :) 12:54 Wayward_Tab Good morning/evening :) 12:54 VanessaE hi 12:54 Zeno` yo Wayward_One 12:59 * CWz is compileing a few of the minetest andriod clones for linux 13:00 CWz for no reason 13:00 marytheminer im back 13:00 Zeno` haha CWz 13:00 Zeno` wb marktraceur 13:00 Zeno` err marktraceur aka marytheminer 13:00 VanessaE tab complete FAIL :) 13:00 marytheminer :) 13:00 marytheminer i *think* my bro ajaypay is coming too 13:00 CWz PROTOCOL_VERSION 21: is version 0.4.9 correct? 13:01 marytheminer dnt ask me idont know 13:01 Zeno` VanessaE, heh 13:01 VanessaE no idea, CWz, but that does sound about right 13:02 marytheminer oh here he is 13:02 Zeno` hello marytheminer's brother 13:02 ajaypay :) 13:02 ajaypay hi 13:02 marytheminer hes chatting on a non touch kindle so his responses will take longer :) 13:03 ajaypay yup 13:03 marytheminer oh & btw just call me mary 13:03 Zeno` When I'm on my android it takes me 10 minutes to type "hi" 13:04 Wayward_Tab Lol 13:04 Calinou nice Fedora 21, Zeno` :P 13:05 Zeno` seriously. That's why I never chat using Android 13:05 Zeno` Calinou, correct! I am not on my Android atm otherwise I wouldn't be chatting hehe 13:05 ajaypay i know what u mean same here zeno 13:06 Zeno` marytheminer, there is an impostor here 13:06 marytheminer_ there was an error so i left & came back 13:06 Zeno` oh 13:06 Zeno` how do we know it's really you? 13:06 marytheminer_ my screen froze 13:06 Zeno` must be cold there 13:06 marytheminer_ we were talking about andriods 13:07 Zeno` yeah, androids are going to take over the world. /me panics 13:07 CWz had to do some patching with 0.4.9 to get the WorldCraft for andriod to start compileing. unsurprisingly it failed despite this 13:07 Zeno` WorldCraft? 13:07 Wayward_Tab Eww 13:07 marytheminer_ gotta go; church! :) seeya 13:08 CWz maybe it's a dev build of 0.4.9 13:08 VanessaE last worldcraft I saw was 0.4.10 13:08 Wayward_Tab yeah, that's what most of the clones are 13:09 CWz but it's client server protocol is for 0.4,9 or for pre server to client ready 13:09 Zeno` attack of the clones 13:09 CWz this is what what i found in their repo 13:09 ajaypay_ ? 13:09 Zeno` androids most likely... I warned you they'd take over the world 13:09 ajaypay_ ? 13:10 VanessaE ajaypay_: we're discussing programming. 13:10 Zeno` are we? 13:10 Zeno` lol 13:10 ajaypay_ bye 13:10 Zeno` I lose track so easily :( 13:10 CWz https://github.com/gameabc/worldcraft 13:10 ajaypay_ o il stay 13:11 ajaypay_ hey v 13:11 VanessaE hi. 13:11 CWz Hey Zeno` how are you? 13:11 ajaypay_ so what type of programing? 13:12 Wayward_Tab CWz, here's an idea- try building the Freeminer apk :P 13:12 VanessaE ajaypay_: random. 13:13 ajaypay_ k 13:13 CWz Not building apk's i am ported (sort of) squeakcraft and Multicraft to linux 13:13 ajaypay_ i have 2 go now 13:14 CWz i think to to get an legit Worldcraft android we would need a real programer who can compile without cmake 13:14 CWz aka notme 13:15 Wayward_Tab Ah, ok. I thought you were building apks 13:19 CWz well gave up on worldcraft it appear to be a mess 13:19 Wayward_Tab Heh 13:20 CWz getting lua error on start up 13:44 TheWild maybe stupid question but how to update minetest repository locally completely discarding any of my changes in single command? 13:45 Krock git pull? 13:46 ElectronLibre git add . && git reset --hard HEAD && git pull origin master 13:46 VanessaE git reset --hard HEAD ; git pull 13:46 Krock ..or something between the two abrove 13:46 Krock *above 13:48 TheWild ok, thanks 13:52 TheWild documenting network protocol on my own goes pretty sluggish. Are there serious changes to the protocol planned? (e.g. breaking compatibility) 13:53 VanessaE there are. 13:53 * VanessaE pokes est31 13:53 TheWild I'm not sure when I ever finish it, will it be still revelant? 13:53 VanessaE depends on how long you take :) 13:55 est31 TheWild, no breaking compatibility is planned 13:55 VanessaE oh? 13:55 est31 of course, over some time, given enough people switch to newer versions, we might drop old protocols 13:55 est31 but there is no total break 13:55 est31 as in 13:55 VanessaE est31: when did that change? 13:56 est31 git repo version abc doesnt work with repo version def 13:56 CWz 0.4.3 clients can still join 0.4.12 13:56 est31 where abc is a parent of def 13:56 est31 yes 13:56 est31 and they should still work with 0.4.12-dev 13:56 Telesight Hello 13:56 est31 VanessaE, quite some time ago 13:56 est31 even before I changed protocol 13:57 Telesight I copied a world from one machine to another 13:57 est31 there was once this discussion with nrz 13:57 est31 and there he said he'll try to find a way to retain compat 13:57 Telesight but I cannot enter the the copied world 13:57 est31 so since then the idea has been dropped 13:57 VanessaE guess I missed that part :) 13:57 Telesight I think he keeps the ip adress soemwhere 13:58 VanessaE he? 13:58 VanessaE maybe you mean "it" .. 13:58 VanessaE anyway no, worlds don't do that. 13:58 Calinou what happens when you try to enter it? what error message do you get? 13:58 VanessaE if you can't load a world, either your build lacks map compatibility e.g. leveldb vs sqlite, or you lack the proper mods 13:58 VanessaE or the world is corrupted. 13:59 Telesight In fact I made a clone, I can start that server/world 13:59 est31 TheWild, interesting, you document the protocol? 13:59 Telesight But from other macines on my lan I can not enter 13:59 est31 which base version do you use? 13:59 est31 latest git? 13:59 est31 or sth else? 13:59 Telesight It stays in "Connecting server" 14:00 VanessaE Telesight: and you're sure your other boxes are reaching the right IP address and port? 14:00 Telesight I use version 0.4.11 14:00 VanessaE outdated. 14:00 TheWild 0.4.12, that one officially released 14:00 VanessaE but irrelevant here 14:01 VanessaE (and est31's question was to TheWild, not you Telesight) 14:01 Telesight If I make aworld on a laptop directly there is no problem with reaching the server 14:01 est31 TheWild, protocol (especially early protocol) did change with version 25, FYI 14:01 VanessaE Telesight: but are you running the world in server/multiplayer mode or in singleplayer? 14:01 Telesight I give laptops a static ipaddress 14:01 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientiface.h 14:02 Telesight I use the "Server" tab 14:02 TheWild it seems I was documenting 24 14:02 VanessaE Telesight: but what about the port number? 14:02 est31 25 is less than a month in official git 14:03 est31 either way most of my changes are documented by changes inside that file I linked 14:03 Telesight I use standard 30000 14:03 est31 just compare it with this TheWild https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/0.4.12/src/clientiface.h 14:05 est31 hrmmm 14:06 est31 I think I'll tidy up the arrows in that file 14:07 Telesight Moment I check the ipadress ... 14:16 Telesight arrg, beginners fault. It was a router setting 14:16 Telesight I initially used the "wire" to connect and then wireless and that is another MAC 14:17 Telesight So I reserved an ipadress to the wired part 14:17 Telesight in my router 14:20 Telesight So you can clone a world to another machine but be sure to point to the correct ipadress of that machine ;-) 14:24 Telesight So two kids happy ;-) 14:28 VanessaE that would help :) 14:30 rubenwardy Hi all! 14:32 VanessaE hey 14:32 est31 hi 14:35 Telesight VanessaE: I thought maybe with cloning a world the ipadress of the original machine is set somewhere, but that is not the case I experienced now 14:35 VanessaE nope. 14:36 Telesight Those routers are not always clear in giving the right machine ... 14:37 VanessaE I'm glad I don't have to rely on a router :P 14:46 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Small clientiface ASCII art improvements 136b7fb59 http://git.io/vTFLx (152015-05-24T16:33:22+02:00) 14:48 Telesight Is there a ppa fro Ubuntu with the latest Minetest? 14:48 Telesight for 14:48 VanessaE https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds 14:49 VanessaE or ubuntu/stable if you just want 0.4.12 14:50 Telesight I prefer the stable version 14:52 Telesight That means: ppa:minetestdevs/stable 15:01 Telesight Mods are not (too) version dependend? 15:01 VanessaE they can be 15:01 VanessaE but not usually 15:02 rubenwardy Does "flush" in technical terms mean to retrieve from a buffer and then clear the buffer? 15:02 VanessaE just depends if the mod in question uses some new feature that old versions of minetest don't have 15:02 VanessaE rubenwardy: yes, usually. 15:02 Telesight VanessaE, ok as in all software with modules ...;-) 15:02 VanessaE read the buffer, clear it, and reset your pointers 15:02 rubenwardy awesome 15:08 VanessaE bbl 15:11 TheWild Now it's time for my honest opinion about chunk format. 15:11 TheWild After header, there are two zlib-compressed parts: first for blocks in general (param0, param1 and param2) and second for its metadata. 15:11 TheWild However there is a slight drawback: no size of compressed data is provided. Minetest is dealing with it pretty well, but lack of few additional bytes makes from simple task an unnecessary challenge for other programmers doing their work in other languages. 15:11 TheWild PHP has gzuncompress function. However, it does not report anything about how much bytes were taken from input (or at least requires dirty and slow workaround). 15:11 TheWild In .NET, I've tested two libraries: Ionic.Zlib (aka DotNetZip) and ZlibNet. 15:12 TheWild Ionic.Zlib reads too much from input stream (buffering, caching or what) but at least properly gives the number of bytes read. 15:12 TheWild ZlibNet is flawed in both cases. 15:14 Krock 7zip ftw 15:16 est31 very cool TheWild that you do this deep research 15:37 rubenwardy ffs 15:37 rubenwardy 16:34:06: WARNING: Undeclared global variable "PROXY" accessed at /usr/local/share/lua/5.1/socket/http.lua:189 15:37 Krock lol 15:51 rubenwardy ...enwardy/dev/minetest/bin/../builtin/common/serialize.lua:190: attempt to call method 'byte' (a nil value) 15:52 rubenwardy nevermind 15:55 rubenwardy Grrr 15:55 rubenwardy 1. I tried to give this table to it: { "value to deserialise" } 15:56 rubenwardy 2. The value to deserialise didn't start with return 15:56 rubenwardy WHY IS THAT NEEDED? 15:56 rubenwardy That belongs in the domain of hacky javascript AJAX or whatever 16:04 blaise lmao 16:20 ajaypay hey mtm 16:21 marytheminer hey!! 16:21 marytheminer didnt know u were on 16:21 marytheminer gabby's helping us clean our room 16:21 marytheminer what are you doing? 16:22 ajaypay do you think i should expand our area? 16:22 marytheminer eeeh its kinda big already 16:22 marytheminer doncha think? 16:22 ajaypay listning to dubstep 16:22 marytheminer i can hear it from here 16:23 marytheminer were going downstairs now 16:23 ajaypay hey your typing too fast 16:23 marytheminer heehee 16:24 Calinou move to a PM, use /query 16:24 marytheminer ok 16:24 ajaypay ? 16:25 marytheminer we arent really talking anything minetesty so he said move to a PM 16:27 rubenwardy I get netest_web_panel/data/servertest/worldmods/mwcp/init.lua:75: unexpected symbol near 'if' on https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/2cbf8ea1867c86835a9d#file-gistfile1-txt-L78 16:27 init yes 16:28 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/2cbf8ea1867c86835a9d#file-gistfile1-txt-L75 sorry 16:30 rubenwardy seriously? 16:31 rubenwardy the fix was if true then return end 16:31 notanewbie Hey 16:31 ajaypay yo peps 16:32 ajaypay peeps 16:32 notanewbie He cant spell 16:32 notanewbie Just so you know... 16:32 ajaypay ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ 16:32 notanewbie Hes my bro I should know. 16:40 CWz would a camera rotation like this be useful in minetest? 16:41 Krock camera rotations are only good and frequently used in animations/vidos 17:19 asie hello again 17:19 asie i'm frustrated with the other community again 17:20 asie but now i managed to relicense new BuildCraft textures *cough* 17:22 rubenwardy the other community? 17:22 asie minecraft modding. 17:22 rubenwardy ah 17:22 asie my only issues with minetest still remain: (a) no way to allow for dynamic server->client model sending 17:22 asie and (b) no lua equivalent of coffeescript 17:22 rubenwardy Like dynamic mesh nodes? 17:22 asie yes 17:22 asie i requested that ages ago 17:23 rubenwardy moonscript is a similar thing to coffeescript, but meh 17:23 asie i meant an equivalent, not a similar thing 17:23 asie vanilla lua is hard to wor kon 17:26 Jordach_ asie, i'm more angry at this API for not having things i need 17:26 asie Jordach_: i'd rather have a limited API than a shitty API 17:27 rubenwardy !g minetest stress 17:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-03-20 17:27 rubenwardy !g minetest stress github 17:27 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game 17:27 rubenwardy ffs 17:28 rubenwardy https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress 17:28 rubenwardy https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress/blob/master/examples/simple/init.lua 17:29 asie add them 17:29 rubenwardy to what? 17:29 asie to stress API 17:29 asie if you say it doesn thave things you need 17:30 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2719 17:30 Calinou idspispopd! 17:30 rubenwardy I don't understand 17:30 Jordach_ asie, i mean graphical methods that i require 17:30 rubenwardy Minetest stress is like jQuery 17:30 Calinou what does vanilla Lua miss, asie? 17:30 Calinou stuff like != and 0-indexing seems the obvious stuff to me 17:31 Calinou instead of ~= and 1-indexing 17:31 rubenwardy I fucking hate ~= 17:31 rubenwardy Ruins my day 17:31 asie Calinou: it just gets out of hand quickly for large projects 17:31 asie much harder to organize code 17:31 asie the things you mentioned are minor 17:32 Calinou well you can use MoonScript, but I don't like having to compile my code 17:32 Calinou compiling CSS is okay, since that makes it not-dumb 17:32 rubenwardy I wish dofile was relative, having to include minetest.get_worldpath() is just so unelegant 17:32 Calinou but programming languages are not-dumb already 17:32 Calinou rubenwardy, create a variable called worldpath :P 17:33 rubenwardy even then 17:33 asie i'd love to make a new BuildTest 17:33 asie i always wante dto 17:33 asie as an actual proper BC subprojet 17:33 asie subproject* 17:34 rubenwardy dofile("file.lua") is better than dofile(modpath .. "file.lua") or dofile(minetest.get_modpath("test") .. "file.lua") 17:34 CWz which programing language is best programing language that is cross platfrom 17:35 asie The JVM gives you like 15 17:35 asie or 20 17:35 asie the only issue it has is the slightly large RAM consumption of the default VM engine, but that has its valid reasons 17:35 Calinou CWz, none, because there is no best language… 17:36 Calinou that said, some are better compromises than others, like Python 17:36 Calinou you can do everything efficiently by learning only 2 or 3 languages 17:36 Calinou eg. C++ and Java and Python 17:36 Calinou one low-level, one middle-level, one high-level 17:36 Calinou although learning JavaScript instead of Python in that case lets you be proficient in Web browsers too 17:37 ajaypay wats cooking? 17:38 ajaypay anybody? 17:38 Calinou you mean smelting? 17:38 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.net/Smelting 17:38 ajaypay yes ;) 17:39 asie me? i'm considering making an official BC-endorsed BuildTest 17:39 rubenwardy in the code it is cooking 17:39 asie with official textures & a very faithful implementation 17:39 asie but there are still limitations in the engine for that 17:39 rubenwardy although, actually 17:39 rubenwardy cooking is a term which includes smelting, and also food cooking, clay etc 17:40 rubenwardy "smelting" only applies to metals 17:40 marytheminer_ hi 17:41 marytheminer_ anyone around? 17:41 Krock rubenwardy, you can smelt butter 17:41 marytheminer_ i didnt know there was a butter mod 17:41 rubenwardy That's different, that's a cooking technique 17:41 marytheminer_ oh 17:41 Krock rubenwardy, but it smelts... 17:41 marytheminer_ into what? 17:42 Krock liquid butter 17:42 rubenwardy It's like the different meanings of "hit" - website hit, physical hit 17:42 marytheminer_ what do you do with that? 17:42 rubenwardy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelting 17:42 Krock yes.. bye. 17:43 Krock lol 17:43 est31 interesting facepalm gonna get its own emoji 17:43 Krock a palm, growing on a face? 17:43 est31 http://unicode.org/reports/tr51/images/proposed/proposed_1f926.png 17:43 est31 http://blog.unicode.org/2015/05/unicode-90-candidate-emoji.html 17:44 Calinou “SELFIE” lol 17:45 Krock then they also should add a double-facepalm! http://dummfug.cornblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/07/thumb-doublefacepalmkzm.jpg 17:46 init hai people 17:46 est31 Hi init 17:47 Krock TOCLIENT_HELLO, init. 17:47 init how are you 17:48 est31 first the client has to send TOSERVER_INIT 17:48 est31 then comes TOCLIENT_HELLO 17:48 est31 then authentication 17:49 est31 then TOCLIENT_AUTH_ACCEPT 17:49 Krock est31, init already said hello... 17:49 Krock we don't need to know the complete minetest protocol 17:49 est31 hrmm 17:49 est31 yes you do 17:49 init yes, it's a must Krock 17:49 est31 how dare you to be on this channel 17:49 Krock I do? 17:49 init without the minetest protocol you are NOTHING 17:49 Krock gawd no 17:50 est31 its only for people who know the error message indexes from the head 17:50 est31 what index does SERVER_ACCESSDENIED_WRONG_CHARS_IN_NAME have :p 17:50 Krock -1 ! 17:50 est31 lol segfault 17:51 ElectronLibre Cool. Unicode Croissants. http://unicode.org/reports/tr51/images/proposed/proposed_1f950.png 17:52 est31 I remember those books for people who learn reading (usually children) 17:52 est31 there you have that BIG WRITING 17:52 est31 and every second word is an emoji 17:52 est31 so that you can keep up with the story even if you dont know the words 17:53 Chanku Hey 17:53 est31 proper way to say that would have been "learn to read" I gues 17:53 est31 s 17:55 CWz wow minecraft/minetest clones on main page of google play 17:56 CaveJohnson \o 17:56 Krock est31, I'm a maths expert. Proof 5 = -2: http://pastebin.com/RpGk8XMk 17:57 est31 lol 17:58 Krock Spoiler: I already know the fault in there... 17:58 est31 yes 17:59 est31 I guess 6a + 2 = 0 = 17:59 est31 ? 17:59 Krock yes, this calculation is only valid when the expression 6a + 2 euqls 0 18:00 est31 umm 18:00 est31 the calculation is never valid 18:00 est31 the equation 1 only holds on that condition yes 18:00 Krock sure it is, 5 * 0 = -2 * 0 18:00 Krock oh well, the last line is nonsense 18:00 est31 but the step 2 -> 3 uses 6a + 2 != 0 which isn't given here 18:03 rubenwardy Well that was painful https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_web_panel/commit/0de58afd8fe934b9a05ff4b7e05490ca2561363e 18:04 est31 CWz, perhaps in your bubble, but not in mine 18:05 Calinou Google does filtering bubbles, so yes 18:05 CWz I hate that feature almost as much as i hate email spam and the muscle building ads on the forum 18:18 blaise !servers 18:18 blaise !host midnightsystems.net 18:18 blaise hrmm 18:18 zat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3HJR6icXBo 18:19 Jordach_ blaise, 18:19 Jordach_ !server midnightsystems.net 18:19 MinetestBot Jordach_: No results 18:19 Jordach_ mfw 18:20 Krock !up midnightsystems.net 18:20 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 seems to be down 18:20 CWz redcrab seems to be completely down 18:21 Jordach_ its been dead for a while now 18:21 Calinou https://imgrush.com/y5W_kEatzW7W 18:22 rubenwardy :') 18:22 rubenwardy * :'( 18:22 rubenwardy Calinou, did you make that? Godot? 18:22 Calinou working on that demo… 18:22 Calinou https://lut.im/O8wbBRDl/mdQy5QeD 18:23 Calinou yes, how did you guess? :p 18:23 Calinou I made some of the graphics elements, most of the code wasn't written by me 18:23 Calinou made the bouncy cube, was very easy 18:23 Calinou as well as the jumppad 18:25 blaise !up midnightsystems.net 18:25 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 seems to be down 18:25 blaise poop 18:26 notanewbie I love Minetest. 18:26 notanewbie We should add a weather API. 18:27 blaise lol 18:27 notanewbie No, I'm serious! 18:27 blaise damn verizon dsl router doesn't do port forwarding 18:27 blaise :( 18:27 notanewbie I feel like the vanilla Minetest is boring. 18:27 Jordach_ >verizon 18:27 notanewbie HAte 'em. Internet keeps blacking out. 18:28 blaise notanewbie: there are weather implementations in minetest, you know.. 18:28 notanewbie Really? 18:28 blaise yes, rain.. snow.. 18:28 blaise I dunno about hail or what not 18:28 notanewbie I never saw them. Is it on by default? 18:29 asie anyway i still want to work on my own tech mod for minetest 18:29 asie also, i think you should do a very important thing 18:29 notanewbie Cool! What's it supposed to do? 18:29 notanewbie What should I do? 18:29 asie https://github.com/CyanideX/Unity <- get permission to use these textures 18:29 asie they're the best MC texturepack, one of the few considered superior to vanilla 18:30 asie or even get the guy convinced somehow 18:30 asie anyhow, my own tech mod? 18:30 asie i'm the current owner of BuildCraft, that's one 18:30 asie also, i want a custom barrels implementation 18:30 asie and a *proper* BC clone 18:30 notanewbie Lemme see...looks like you have to go to #MinecraftUnity 18:30 asie i know the guy 18:31 blaise notanewbie: it's a mod you add to your server 18:31 blaise there's a few, actually 18:31 rubenwardy notanewbie, vanilla Minetest is supposed to be boring 18:31 notanewbie Oh. 18:31 rubenwardy They want to encourage modding 18:31 notanewbie I see. 18:32 blaise you can install mods directly from within the client.. so it's not a big deal 18:32 notanewbie @asie if you know the guy why do you want me to get the permissions? 18:32 rubenwardy Don't use the mod store 18:32 rubenwardy It's broken 18:32 blaise oh no! 18:32 blaise :G 18:32 asie notanewbie: it was more or less a suggestion for minetest game devs 18:32 asie i plan to make my own gmae 18:32 asie game* 18:32 notanewbie Oh. 18:32 asie as in a minetest game... that's the right term still isn't it 18:32 rubenwardy Well, only old versions will be available and not many games are there 18:33 OldCoder How do I remove signs? 18:33 zat asie: what kind of game? 18:33 OldCoder from a wall? 18:33 notanewbie Yeah the store is outdated. 18:33 rubenwardy OldCoder, locked signs? 18:33 OldCoder No 18:33 OldCoder I think 18:33 asie zat: who knows yet? depends on what capabilities of the engine are prsented to me 18:33 rubenwardy You can't just dig them? 18:33 asie i made mesegates and meselamps once 18:33 OldCoder OldCoder Hungry Games if you can take a look 18:33 rubenwardy Weird 18:33 asie so i am at least somewhat familiar with the engine 18:34 rubenwardy !server hungry 18:34 MinetestBot rubenwardy: OldCoder Hungry Games | minetest.org:30015 | Clients: 6/11, 2/10 | Version: 0.4.12 / hungry_game | Ping: 95ms 18:34 zat asie: I have an abandoned game project that I am planning passing over to whoever wants to continue its development. 18:34 notanewbie Which game is it? 18:34 asie zat: what is it? 18:35 OldCoder Ah 18:35 OldCoder How do I turn off //i ? That is the issue 18:35 zat asie: it is a mod that comprises everything in the nature, I mean, the main mod that makes up the game is involved in the map generation, biomes, realistic resources generation, basic recipes, etc... 18:36 asie ehh 18:36 zat everything is set up programatically 18:36 notanewbie Wow. What's it called? Sounds really cool. 18:36 asie that sounds like a lot of nothing, or a kitchen sink pack 18:36 asie what's the theme? the underlying vision? 18:36 zat it is a realistic world 18:36 zat the most realistic possible 18:37 zat many praised my development but I don't have much time to continue with it 18:37 zat and most importantly, many limitations got me stalled 18:37 zat I wanted to feature the possibility of making alloys 18:38 notanewbie What's the game called? 18:39 zat digitalis 18:39 zat the mod I talked about is called earth 18:39 zat I added a lot of thing to its nature component also 18:39 zat many things to farm 18:40 zat I just need help of experienced developers 18:40 zat so I am calling for help officially :P anyone? 18:41 OldCoder rubenwardy, thank you 18:41 init you're requesting an experienced developer 18:41 rubenwardy Welcome :P 18:42 zat init: not only one, whatever number interested in help 18:42 init :P ik 18:43 zat what if I recruit VanessaE to help me with the trees... 18:43 zat and the original devels of every mod I am taking parts of 18:43 zat :D! 18:44 Wayward_Tab zat, maybe make a forum post about it? I'm sure you'd get many more replies, as there are far more people in the Minetest community than those on IRC 18:45 zat yes I need to make a forum account I guess :P 18:47 rubenwardy !dev Codestyle 18:47 MinetestBot No such page. 18:47 ElectronLibre Whan you say game, do you say subgame or engine? 18:47 rubenwardy !dev Code+style 18:47 MinetestBot No such page. 18:47 rubenwardy !dev Code_style 18:47 zat ElectronLibre: i guess that as per minetest definition, it is subgame. 18:48 ElectronLibre Well, then I could maybe help. Do you have a copy of the code I could get to see what it looks like? 19:00 zat ElectronLibre: it is currently in a non-working state but the code itself is like pretty self explanatory 19:00 zat I will have to setup its gih repo 19:00 ElectronLibre That's not a problem. I will wait and if needed, correct things. 19:01 zat cool thx ElectronLibre 19:05 marytheminer hello 19:06 marytheminer i know you can see me 19:06 marytheminer whatev 19:07 * init stalks marytheminer 19:07 marytheminer who's init? 19:07 init it's me 19:07 marytheminer oh 19:07 marytheminer hi 19:07 marytheminer :) 19:07 ElectronLibre The process 0. 19:07 init 1* 19:07 marytheminer huh? 19:07 init my pid is 1. 19:07 marytheminer pid? 19:08 marytheminer oh you kid. 19:08 * init kills ElectronLibre's irc client as revenge >:D 19:08 init marytheminer: process id 19:08 marytheminer my id? 19:08 marytheminer what about it? 19:08 ElectronLibre Well, I thought that as many people they would start counting at 0. 19:08 init no, pid means process id 19:09 init $ pidof init 19:09 init 1 19:09 marytheminer you want ME to process id? 19:09 init wath 19:09 marytheminer how do you do that? 19:09 init I think we're mixing things 19:09 ElectronLibre init, I think you managed to harm my client : I was loosing the connection when you corrected me. 19:10 marytheminer i did not kill your client 19:10 marytheminer THE VERY IDEA 19:10 init no, that'd my evil young brother, systemd 19:10 ElectronLibre marytheminer, init is a program in most GNU/Linux systems which is the 'parent process' of all programs. 19:10 marytheminer oh init is not a person? 19:10 ElectronLibre It is the first program loaded at start up. (If I remember correctly) 19:10 init >_> <_< 19:11 ElectronLibre init, in fact, don't bother explaining.. 19:11 marytheminer oh that's cool. a chatbot! 19:11 init thankyou 19:11 init I have feelings you know 19:11 marytheminer are you a robot? 19:11 init and yeah, I think I passed the turing test 19:11 init marytheminer: I am not 19:11 marytheminer oh. why did he say you were? 19:12 ElectronLibre I can't even understand how we got there. 19:12 init me neither 19:12 ElectronLibre He never said he was. 19:12 init marytheminer: the `init` program is that 19:12 marytheminer huh weird 19:12 marytheminer oh 19:12 marytheminer whatev 19:12 ElectronLibre ._. .-. ._. 19:12 marytheminer lol 19:12 init I am just a dude whose nick is the same as the name of a special program in the *nix world 19:12 marytheminer ·__· 19:13 marytheminer i dont quite understand 19:13 marytheminer say that in english plz? 19:13 marytheminer :) plz? 19:13 ElectronLibre init: What a beautiful way to summarize those past 5 weird minutes of misunderstanding. 19:14 marytheminer XD 19:14 init I know I am beautiful, but that's unrelated! 19:14 marytheminer dont b vain 19:14 ElectronLibre marytheminer, his nickname is the name of a program, that's it. 19:14 marytheminer ohhhh. why didnt you say so? 19:14 ElectronLibre "I am just a dude whose nick is the same as the name of a special program" 19:14 ElectronLibre He said. 19:15 marytheminer it's not hard to get code mixed up with regular lingo. 19:15 marytheminer hi there! 19:15 ElectronLibre Well, it was complicated, but finally you understood. 19:16 marytheminer i'm glad. 19:16 init we said, he said, you said, they saidv 19:16 ElectronLibre What is the v for? 19:16 init a typo 19:16 marytheminer change of subject; do you play mt on public servers or private? 19:16 init that `v` is next to the `launch nukes` key 19:17 init I don't really play Minetest, I am just here because people over here are really nice 19:17 cimbakahn Should i upgrade LinuxMint 17 Qiana Xfce 64bit to LinuxMint 17.1 Rebecca 64bit? 19:17 ElectronLibre marytheminer, I rarely play Minetest just to play. 19:17 init (yes! you people!) 19:17 marytheminer i play public 19:17 marytheminer and yes, minetest "working" is fun 19:17 ElectronLibre I'm nice? Wow, breaking news, I wasn't even aware of it. 19:17 marytheminer XD 19:18 cimbakahn Under EDIT in the update manager is the upgrade for it. 19:18 marytheminer wow. just wow. 19:18 cimbakahn So, should i? 19:18 marytheminer huh? are you talking to me? 19:18 cimbakahn I love Minetest. 19:18 marytheminer SO DO I!!!!!! 19:18 init we love you, too 19:19 marytheminer <3 19:19 marytheminer i did NOT say i loved you. 19:19 ElectronLibre You should go ask on ##linuxmint, they must be able to answer you. 19:19 marytheminer nice try. 19:20 ElectronLibre There is an insane amount of 'linuxmint' channels ._. 19:20 cimbakahn I thought i am in Linuxmint help now? 19:20 marytheminer what's that? 19:20 marytheminer linuxmint? is that spanish? 19:20 ElectronLibre At the moment, you're on #minetest . 19:20 ElectronLibre marytheminer, no, english, a GNU/Linux distribution. 19:21 cimbakahn Oh. Sorry! Wrong tab. 19:21 marytheminer ummm. ok whatever that is 19:21 ElectronLibre No problem. 19:21 ElectronLibre !g Linux Mint 19:21 MinetestBot ElectronLibre: http://www.linuxmint.com/ 19:21 ElectronLibre ^ marytheminer 19:21 marytheminer yeah 19:21 marytheminer Ill check it out later 19:22 * ElectronLibre writes down : try Linux Mint (XFCE) in a VM later. 19:23 marytheminer sadly, yet another fellow chatter leaves 19:24 marytheminer electronlibre: dont worry, ill remeber the url, i wont forget 19:24 marytheminer i dont need to wite it down :) 19:25 marytheminer oh, btw, are any of you on mt forums? 19:25 ElectronLibre No, actually, "writes down" is the accurate translation of a language tic I have in my mother tongue. When someone says something, or I have to remember something, I always say "Je note" ("I write it down" - implying mentally, in my mind). 19:26 ElectronLibre I am, why? 19:26 marytheminer why isnt there a thread for all the servers, like a page describing each of them? 19:27 ElectronLibre There is already https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=10 19:27 marytheminer it would be real helpful for a person trying to decide which to join 19:27 zat ElectronLibre: spanish? 19:27 ElectronLibre zat: Worse, french. 19:27 zat D:! 19:28 ElectronLibre They must all be in there, otherwise they might not be among the most maintained nor well moderated servers. 19:28 marytheminer is there a page for every server? i'd like to know every mod my home server, trepca, uses. 19:28 ElectronLibre Hmm, wait, 19:28 est31 ahh 19:28 ElectronLibre There we go : http://servers.minetest.net/ 19:28 est31 yea 19:28 est31 thats the link 19:28 est31 marytheminer, trepca does have a forum page too 19:28 marytheminer ok thanx ill check it out 19:29 est31 since yesterday 19:29 ElectronLibre Or http://www.minetest.net/servers, in its more readable format. 19:29 est31 quit :( 19:29 est31 wanted to say that hosting is endangered ... :( 19:29 ElectronLibre zat: yes, french is ugly. 19:29 ElectronLibre est31, he will probably come back soon. 19:30 est31 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12245 19:31 ElectronLibre There he is. 19:31 marytheminer TREPCA IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE SERVERLIST!!!! :(((((( 19:31 ElectronLibre marytheminer, http://www.minetest.net/servers is maybe more readable. 19:31 ElectronLibre And yes, let est31 explain. 19:31 marytheminer and i am a GIRL 19:32 marytheminer ok i will go check that out too. 19:33 marytheminer it's not there :(( 19:34 ElectronLibre Well if it wasn't in the previous one there was no chance it could be in this one. 19:34 ElectronLibre Ask est31. 19:34 marytheminer does anyone have a list of the mods trepca uses? 19:34 Calinou https://lut.im/SNTDr05x/Ta3wRLyk 19:34 ElectronLibre He should, he hosts it if I understood well. 19:34 marytheminer est1? 19:34 marytheminer are you there? 19:34 est31 a list of mods? 19:35 est31 you'll get it ofc 19:35 marytheminer what's ofc? 19:35 ElectronLibre "OF Course" maybe. 19:35 est31 ^ 19:35 marytheminer okay. 19:35 ElectronLibre It's sometimes really hard to guess but very often easy to figure out. 19:36 marytheminer :) 19:37 marytheminer i gotta leave now but if you would post it ill read it later in the log. 19:37 marytheminer thanks. 19:39 ElectronLibre Trepka is in it. 19:39 est31 anvil, areas, bags, blocked_usernames, carts, craft_guide, currency, farming, homedecor_modpack, hud, inventory_plus, irc, irc_commands, item_tweaks, kickall, letters, markers, Minetest-WorldEdit, mobs, moreblocks, moreores, player_textures, protector (protector block is disabled, but protected doors can be placed), skins, spawn, travelnet, xban2 19:39 ElectronLibre s/trepka/trepca 19:39 ElectronLibre You just need to scroll down and click "more". 19:41 Telesight Someone any clue: It takes on one laptop a while to load the Object textures from a local (LAN) server, while other laptops are quickly logged in ... 19:41 ElectronLibre Telesight, is the one lagging configured not to preload textures? 19:42 Telesight Electron: let me see ... 19:43 Telesight Is that a setting in the client? 19:44 ElectronLibre Wait. 19:44 ElectronLibre Which version are you using? 19:44 Telesight 0.4.12 19:44 Telesight Client and the server 19:45 ElectronLibre Well, then the client doesn't preload textures.. Which step does take long exactly? Media? 19:45 Telesight Object textures 19:46 ElectronLibre I don't know this one ._. ... Honestly, I don't have a clue there, sorry. 19:47 Telesight I installed 0.4.12 this day 19:47 Telesight But also on theother laptops 19:48 Telesight so there must be no difference (in theory ;-) 19:50 CWz hey Wayward_Tab 19:53 Telesight Electron: Yes it is the last step Object textures that takes minutes ... 19:53 Telesight Just test it ... 19:55 ElectronLibre It doesn't. I get stuck at "Medias.." for about 40 seconds, then "Initializing Nodes" for about 10 seconds, and that's it. 19:56 ElectronLibre Well, I'm on a local server, so maybe you're getting stuck at "Medias" (about before the middle of the bar) because the connection is slow. Also, remember that the first connection usually takes longer than the ones which will follow. 19:58 Telesight I log in on a local (LAN) server, the other laptops log in normal 19:58 Telesight So the connection is not a problem .. 19:59 Telesight I just tested it again .. 20:00 ElectronLibre Well, maybe the computer is slower parsing the datas. 20:01 Telesight It is a i7 ;-) 20:01 ElectronLibre So, NO IDEA. 20:01 ElectronLibre I still think it might be because it's the first connection, but no sure. 20:02 Telesight It takes long every login ... 20:02 ElectronLibre Differences between compilers used, 32/64 bits, OS, etc.. All of this might be related. 20:03 Telesight hmm 20:03 VanessaE sounds like "preload item visuals" is enabled on the client. 20:03 ElectronLibre VanessaE, 0.4.12. 20:03 ElectronLibre It shouldn't. 20:03 VanessaE it would if his config is from an older version that had that turned on 20:04 Telesight Yes that is possible ... moment I will check ... 20:04 ElectronLibre Telesight, look into minetest.conf for this parameter. 20:05 Telesight Thanks I will do give me a second ... 20:06 Telesight Result: preload_item_visuals = 1 20:06 VanessaE that's it. 20:06 VanessaE set that to 0 or just delete the line altogether. 20:06 Telesight Moment ... 20:08 Telesight Bammm .... 20:08 Telesight 0,001seconds 20:08 Telesight Thanks ... 20:08 Telesight I set it to 0 20:09 ElectronLibre Damn old config files. 20:10 VanessaE I warned the core devs about this.. :P 20:11 Telesight I had a feeling that it must be a setting " somewhere" but I am not experienced with Minetest ... 20:11 Calinou jesus died on my server 20:11 Calinou :( 20:11 VanessaE good. :) 20:11 VanessaE now they can finally bury the SoB ;) 20:12 Jordach_ http://niceme.me 20:12 Jordach_ mfw Calinou is religious 20:12 Calinou https://lut.im/6pNK99u6/wa5lf3Gl 20:12 Telesight Is your server called Roman Empire ... 20:12 Calinou Jordach_, check out https://github.com/Calinou/fps-test 20:12 ElectronLibre No, he is right. 20:13 ElectronLibre A player called Jesus died on his server. 20:13 Jordach_ Telesight, http://niceme.me 20:14 Wayward_Tab Oh, hi CWz :) 20:15 CWz an inchraless Wayward_Tab 20:15 Telesight When you install a Minetest server, do you have to finetune it? (change settings to not overload your server) 20:16 VanessaE depends on the mods you run 20:16 VanessaE you might, for example, turn the active block range down 20:16 VanessaE or adjust the network settings to maximize your throughput 20:17 Telesight Ok I deinstalled a serie of mods but the difference on my cpu usage was not big ... 20:17 VanessaE it won't be, initially 20:17 VanessaE but some mods are CPU hogs, by their nature 20:18 Telesight Pollers ... 20:19 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825 20:19 Telesight Calinou: Ah great ... 20:23 Telesight I do not think the bandwith will be a problem ... 20:25 Telesight 100 Mbps must be enough .. 20:25 Telesight But the CPU can be the bottleneck 20:55 * Sokomine stares at a cart and thinks that it is particulary uncooperative 20:56 VanessaE just give it a good, swift kick 21:00 Sokomine doesn't really help. it still sucks up all the air there is :( 21:02 VanessaE heh 21:17 marytheminer hi is est1 there? 21:18 marytheminer i guess not :( 21:18 marytheminer im leaving now bye! 21:20 YvesLevier Hey :) i had to move my OS to another disk 21:20 YvesLevier Using U14.04 21:20 YvesLevier My disk was dead. Im server. 21:21 YvesLevier Now it seems that my clients dont share the same release 21:21 YvesLevier is that tell you something? 21:22 VanessaE turn off strict version checking 21:22 YvesLevier VanessaE: where? 21:23 YvesLevier How? 21:23 VanessaE in your server's .conf 21:23 YvesLevier lemme see 21:23 YvesLevier thx VanE 21:23 VanessaE strict_protocol_version_checking = false 21:23 VanessaE normally it defaults to false anyway 21:25 YvesLevier VanessaE: What do a servers'conf look like at plz? 21:26 VanessaE it's just minetest.conf 21:26 VanessaE or whatever you named it 21:26 YvesLevier VanessaE: on it 21:28 YvesLevier i dont see a minetest.conf that have a strict_pro..... in it 21:29 YvesLevier but i must warn i copied my old Desktop/Minetest and 21:29 VanessaE that shouldn't matter 21:29 VanessaE I don't recall anyone saying the protocol was changed incompatibly 21:29 YvesLevier .minetest over my new computer after i reintalled 21:29 YvesLevier VanessaE: VanE??? 21:30 VanessaE try updating your server build then 21:30 YvesLevier Having 2 disks. No 1 about to die and No 2 is virging 21:30 YvesLevier ready to follow e-v-e-r-y of your orders 21:31 VanessaE YvesLevier: I have very little to suggest here honestly 21:31 VanessaE try upgrading to git HEAD and build it yourself, or downgrade to your previous version 21:32 YvesLevier VanessaE: Thats the problem. How to get to my original version using the same script? 21:32 YvesLevier i mean reinstalling the whole Ubuntu if necessary 21:32 VanessaE you don't use a script, directly. 21:32 YvesLevier listening 21:33 VanessaE rather, git reset --hard 21:33 VanessaE and then build it 21:34 YvesLevier is there someone less intelligent to explain me that plz% 21:34 YvesLevier ? 21:34 YvesLevier What do i exactly have to do plz 21:34 YvesLevier consider me dummy 21:34 YvesLevier plz 21:35 YvesLevier VanessaE: ^ 21:35 VanessaE heh 21:37 YvesLevier To make short, i would want to reinstall the old release then only copy my old .minetest and /Desktop/Minetest to the new disk. Looks reasonable? 21:37 YvesLevier VanessaE: VanE? 21:38 VanessaE I got nothin', man :) 21:38 VanessaE your plan is good, but if you can't use git commands to pick a working commit, I don't know how else to help you 21:38 Sokomine YvesLevier: hm, vanessae usually explains it pretty well and dummy-friendly. i often consult her when i'm fighting with git 21:39 VanessaE you SHOULD be able to just copy *everything* over from the old disk though 21:39 VanessaE including Minetest iself 21:39 Sokomine YvesLevier: perhaps you might just clone the repro anew. that might be easiest 21:40 YvesLevier VanessaE: Sokomine: then i uninstall minetest. Then i just copy the folders? 21:40 YvesLevier i tried. 21:40 VanessaE YvesLevier: no 21:40 VanessaE you just copy all of it 21:40 YvesLevier listening 21:40 VanessaE or yeah 21:40 VanessaE you can uninstall the not-working copy 21:40 YvesLevier ... 21:40 VanessaE then bring your working one over from the old disk 21:40 YvesLevier listening 21:40 YvesLevier listening 21:40 VanessaE that's all. 21:40 VanessaE just copy it. 21:41 YvesLevier will 21:41 YvesLevier < 21:41 VanessaE any idea what commit ID you're at? 21:41 YvesLevier whats that? 21:41 VanessaE run the "not working" game and tell me what it says in the upper left corner of the window 21:41 YvesLevier Good brb 21:41 VanessaE "Minetest 0.4.12-gblahblahblah" 21:41 VanessaE I need to know the "blahblahblah" part. 21:42 YvesLevier kk 21:42 YvesLevier before reinstall? 21:42 YvesLevier you mean now? 21:42 VanessaE just whichever one isn't working 21:42 YvesLevier easy enough brb 21:43 YvesLevier VanessaE: it works only one i disabled EVERY mods 21:44 VanessaE er.. 21:44 VanessaE now I'm confused 21:44 VanessaE I thought you said clients couldn't connect anymore? 21:45 YvesLevier me neither as long i... well... i try uninstall all then copy folders 21:45 YvesLevier and i cant you your gblahahahahalbla 21:45 YvesLevier brb 21:46 YvesLevier *see 21:46 VanessaE it'll be right there on the main menu screen 21:46 VanessaE upper left corner of the window 21:48 YvesLevier VanessaE: i used synaptics. No more minetest on my computer out of the old folders i can place in /home/.minetest and /home/Desktop/Minetest 21:49 YvesLevier am i on the right waY? 21:49 VanessaE OH G*d, you're using a really old version if you're getting it from the system repository 21:49 VanessaE did you remember to add the daily-builds PPA? 21:49 YvesLevier ??? 21:49 YvesLevier Im french my friend 21:50 YvesLevier when you talk chineese 21:50 YvesLevier i get very lost 21:50 YvesLevier ;) 21:50 VanessaE ok ok 21:50 VanessaE starting over :P 21:50 YvesLevier Good 21:50 VanessaE you uninstalled minetest from your machine? 21:50 YvesLevier YES 21:51 VanessaE ok, copy your data folders over -- worlds, mods, etc etc. 21:51 YvesLevier Take your time VanE im vanished anyway 21:51 VanessaE then run this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds ; sudo apt-get install minetest 21:51 VanessaE (close synaptic first) 21:51 YvesLevier copy folders first 21:51 VanessaE copy first or last, doesn't matter 21:51 YvesLevier (symaptic closed) 21:51 YvesLevier then sudo... and all okie 21:52 YvesLevier im copying folders now. Both. .minetest and Minetest 21:52 VanessaE yeah 21:53 YvesLevier done 21:53 VanessaE ok run the sudo... line 21:53 YvesLevier now i : "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds ; sudo apt-get install minetest" 21:54 YvesLevier told "y" at you want to continue? 21:54 VanessaE yeah 21:55 YvesLevier end 21:55 YvesLevier no errors 21:55 VanessaE ok, you have some script that you use to start your server, yes? 21:55 YvesLevier treatment declenched (how to tell that in english) 21:55 VanessaE a "keep alive" script I mean? 21:56 YvesLevier i kept my old script 21:56 VanessaE paste-bin it. 21:56 YvesLevier what that mean "paste-bin"? 21:56 YvesLevier sry 21:56 VanessaE load your script into an editor, copy it, paste the contents to someplace like pastebin.ubuntu.com or so 21:56 VanessaE !pastebin 21:57 VanessaE *pokes the bot* 21:57 VanessaE !g pastebin 21:57 MinetestBot VanessaE: http://pastebin.com/ 21:57 VanessaE well that's one also :P 21:57 YvesLevier Ahhhhhhhhhrg 21:57 YvesLevier i feel i can see :P 21:58 LandMine WASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP 21:58 LandMine longtime no see peeps 21:58 VanessaE YvesLevier: now give me the link to the paste you just made 21:58 YvesLevier Hey LandMine 21:59 YvesLevier Van, may i use .... nevermind< 21:59 LandMine hi VanessaE, hi YvesLeiver 21:59 YvesLevier Dropbox? 21:59 YvesLevier email? 21:59 YvesLevier VanessaE: its a small file VanE 22:00 VanessaE YvesLevier: just use a pastebin 22:00 YvesLevier pastebin is asking me too many questions 22:00 VanessaE go to pastebin.com, paste your text there and hit "submit"? 22:00 YvesLevier do i make an account to use it? 22:00 YvesLevier k 22:01 VanessaE you don't need an account to paste 22:01 LandMine how have you been vanessa? long time no see 22:01 LandMine or read? 22:01 VanessaE been okay. 22:01 YvesLevier it wants i install a lot 22:01 YvesLevier good !!!!! 22:01 YvesLevier god 22:01 init use dpaste 22:02 YvesLevier you got it? 22:02 VanessaE YvesLevier: you don't need to install anything to use a pastebin 22:02 YvesLevier its telling me i need a TD insurance 22:03 VanessaE WAT 22:03 YvesLevier thx 22:03 VanessaE you're on a BAD site 22:03 YvesLevier dont worry 22:03 VanessaE get away NOW 22:03 VanessaE or you've got popup ads 22:03 VanessaE go to pastebin.ubuntu.com 22:03 VanessaE afaik it's clean 22:03 YvesLevier good 22:03 VanessaE put your paste there and give the URL of it 22:04 Pilcrow http://dpaste.com/ is also clean; no adds. 22:04 Pilcrow *ads? 22:04 VanessaE ads. 22:04 Pilcrow lol 22:04 LandMine Vanessa do you know why the main page on minetest.net always makes my AV pop up 22:05 VanessaE LandMine: no idea. 22:05 Pilcrow that's strange, LandMine... 22:05 LandMine have others mentiones this/ 22:05 YvesLevier VanessaE: looks much more honest lol 22:05 VanessaE LandMine: not to my knowledge 22:05 YvesLevier i love your "get away NOW" 22:07 Pilcrow YvesLevier: pastebin is usually pretty decent, but bad adds and popups can sometimes sneak through... :P 22:07 Pilcrow *ads 22:07 Pilcrow -_- 22:08 VanessaE get a proper adblocker :) 22:08 Pilcrow ^ I do, but some people don't? :P 22:08 LandMine what do you use pilcrow? i use peerblock 22:09 VanessaE Adblock Plus is enough to counter 99% of ads out there 22:09 YvesLevier New disk. Adblock not installed yet 22:10 YvesLevier of course ill 22:11 YvesLevier VanessaE: how about what i sent to you VanE 22:11 VanessaE sent what? 22:12 Pilcrow LandMine: well, I actually use the built-in ad blocker in Opera. it's a little more work, but works great once you have it configured. Firefox has gotten way too bloated for me, and I never liked chrome, so I make do with Opera... 22:12 VanessaE I use chromium (not chrome) here. firefox sucks. 22:13 YvesLevier did you get the script you told me to send to you 22:13 VanessaE no, you didn't give me the URL for the paste 22:13 YvesLevier looking again 22:14 YvesLevier VanessaE: this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11336494/ 22:14 VanessaE yes 22:14 LandMine VanessaE im thinking about getting a server going like in the old days, but the host i used is out of business, do you recommend any service? 22:14 VanessaE LandMine: try linode or hetzner online AG 22:14 VanessaE depending on your needs 22:15 VanessaE I use a dedicated server out of Hetzner, myself 22:15 LandMine i look into them thanks 22:15 VanessaE YvesLevier: oh, this is your compile script. 22:15 YvesLevier yes? 22:15 VanessaE YvesLevier: I need the script you use to *run* the server 22:17 YvesLevier VanessaE: thats the same if im my own client on server : cd Desktop then ./Minetest/bin/minetest 22:18 LandMine VanessaE can i PM you? i want to ask questions about the hosting 22:18 YvesLevier VanessaE: or : minetestserver --worldname StCamille 22:19 YvesLevier i know no other script 22:19 VanessaE YvesLevier: AH and there is where your problem is then 22:20 VanessaE you need to use /usr/bin/minetestserver --worldname StCamille 22:20 YvesLevier VanessaE: Plz plz tell me how to install it properly. New disk. Virgen. All up to your orders 22:20 VanessaE otherwise you're trying to call upon that old build you carried over from the old drive 22:20 YvesLevier i do it now? 22:20 VanessaE when you're ready to launch your server yes 22:20 VanessaE /usr/bin/minetestserver --worldname StCamille 22:20 VanessaE that'll call upon the new version you just installed from the PPA. 22:21 YvesLevier super user or not? 22:21 VanessaE no 22:21 YvesLevier on it 22:21 VanessaE never use root. :) 22:21 Pilcrow it's a bad idea to run things as super user unless you absolutely have to 22:22 Pilcrow opens up your computer to all kinds of vulnerabilities 22:22 YvesLevier VanessaE: file not found 22:22 VanessaE wat 22:22 VanessaE YvesLevier: run: which minetestserver 22:22 YvesLevier i must remember you i did uninstall 22:22 VanessaE you installed the PPA, so it should BE there. 22:23 LandMine OldCoder are you here ATM? 22:23 YvesLevier do i run again the installation script i sent? 22:23 VanessaE YvesLevier: no. 22:23 YvesLevier k 22:23 VanessaE YvesLevier: do this: which minetestserver 22:23 VanessaE it should return a path 22:24 YvesLevier VanessaE: replies nothing (out a prompt) 22:24 VanessaE try, which minetest 22:24 YvesLevier k 22:25 Pilcrow lol VanessaE. I had typed exactly the same thing, to the letter, but then saw you say it. :P 22:25 YvesLevier VanessaE: /usr/games/minetest 22:25 VanessaE /usr/games ??? 22:25 YvesLevier exact 22:25 VanessaE wtf 22:26 YvesLevier i cant say more 22:26 OldCoder Hello 22:26 YvesLevier ^ 22:26 YvesLevier Hey OldCoder :) 22:26 OldCoder Announcing a much improved Hungry Games 22:26 OldCoder For your demise don't OldCoder blames 22:26 OldCoder Hello 22:26 Pilcrow hi OldCoder. how are you today? well, I hope. :) 22:26 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok this is a stupid idea.. but try: sudo apt-get install minetestserver 22:26 OldCoder Pretty tired Pilcrow but I have made progress in a few things 22:27 OldCoder Spent more time than I should have on a world 22:27 OldCoder But it is relatively nice 22:27 YvesLevier No idea is stupid to me atm. So then : "sudo apt-get install minetestserver" 22:27 OldCoder For a deadly danger zone 22:27 VanessaE YvesLevier: yeah, may as well see what it does -- it SHOULD fail 22:27 LandMine Hey OldCoder can i Pm you/ 22:28 YvesLevier VanessaE: cant find the pack 22:28 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok, that's expected. 22:28 YvesLevier it told 22:28 YvesLevier Good! 22:28 VanessaE minetest --version 22:29 Pilcrow I assume YvesLevier is on Ubuntu? 22:29 YvesLevier Sure 22:29 VanessaE YvesLevier: just give me the first line from that command's output 22:29 VanessaE Pilcrow: yeah, 14.04 I think he said 22:29 YvesLevier Minetest 0.4.9 22:29 Pilcrow that's old 22:29 Pilcrow wrong ppa? 22:29 VanessaE YvesLevier: you didn't install the PPA then 22:30 YvesLevier Im U14.04 22:30 VanessaE or you already had an old copy installed before you put in the PPA 22:30 YvesLevier i just uninstalled using synaptics. Dont remember? 22:30 VanessaE I thought you said this, yeah 22:30 VanessaE OH wait 22:30 VanessaE I remember! 22:30 VanessaE derp 22:30 YvesLevier np 22:31 VanessaE sudo apt-get remove minetest ; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetest 22:31 YvesLevier now i copied the folders ONLY 22:31 YvesLevier on it 22:31 VanessaE I forgot to have you do that "update" command. 22:31 YvesLevier its deleting 22:31 YvesLevier plz wait 22:31 VanessaE ok good 22:32 YvesLevier looks downloading 22:32 YvesLevier ended w/o any warning or error 22:32 YvesLevier im at the prompt 22:32 VanessaE ok good 22:32 VanessaE minetest --version 22:33 VanessaE it should respond, Minetest 0.4.12-dev-xxxxxx (for some commit ID xxxxxx) 22:33 YvesLevier /usr/games/minetest: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type (no file of that type) 22:34 VanessaE close your terminal a 22:34 VanessaE and open a new one 22:34 VanessaE then try again 22:34 YvesLevier Minetest 0.4.12-dev 22:34 YvesLevier VanessaE: IMPRESSED 22:34 VanessaE ok good 22:35 YvesLevier sorry caps 22:35 VanessaE now we're cooking with gas :) 22:35 VanessaE which minetestserver 22:35 VanessaE see if that works now 22:35 YvesLevier no reply 22:36 VanessaE wat 22:36 VanessaE ok fine... which minetest 22:36 YvesLevier kk 22:36 Pilcrow that's odd. doesn't minetestserver auto-build now? 22:36 VanessaE Pilcrow: so I thought. 22:36 YvesLevier VanessaE: /usr/bin/minetest 22:36 VanessaE it does when you compile it yourself, for sure 22:37 VanessaE YvesLevier: ok good. 22:37 YvesLevier <3 VanE 22:37 VanessaE YvesLevier: /usr/bin/minetest --server --worldname StCamille 22:38 YvesLevier VanessaE: Sarted 22:38 VanessaE yay! 22:38 YvesLevier :D 22:38 VanessaE ok see if you can connect to it 22:38 VanessaE from e.g. a client that wasn't working before 22:38 YvesLevier Using /Minetest/bin/minetest? 22:38 YvesLevier k 22:38 VanessaE well you could try that, but first, 22:38 VanessaE what's your IP? 22:38 VanessaE I'll try it 22:39 VanessaE msg it to me if you want 22:39 Pilcrow YvesLevier: it's not important, just a nice tip for irc, but the tab key auto-completes names. So if you type Van and press tab, you should get VanessaE's whole username fast... :) 22:40 Pilcrow ^ (easier than typing VanE, lol) 22:48 OldCoder LandMine, yes. But I need to nap a bit now. I'll be on later. 22:48 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi! Pilcrow thanks for chatting 22:49 Pilcrow bye OldCoder. nice [seeing?] you! 22:52 ajaypay hey 22:53 ajaypay anyone on right now? 22:53 ajaypay ?' 22:54 ajaypay ? 22:54 ajaypay somany people on and none are talking 22:54 ajaypay about minetest 22:54 ajaypay bees 22:55 ajaypay is there a way to make the smoker be the smokestack for a house? 22:55 ajaypay in the bees mod 22:56 ajaypay http://alket.mooo.com/map/#22/-763.00000/-2456.00000 22:57 ajaypay has anyone played on chess.com? just asking 22:57 ajaypay Chess.com 22:57 ajaypay it wont be a link. 23:11 Johnsen2 ~whois Microchip 23:11 ShadowBot Johnsen2: There is no microchip on freenode. 23:52 Pilcrow wow, I forgot how much I loved the old Starcraft I! Threw in a Starcraft64 cartrige at a friend's house on a whim and ended up playing it for like 4 hours even though it's horrible compared to PC... :P