Time Nick Message 00:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04HybridDog -> 03minetest/minetest_game: allow overriding papyrus and cactus grow functions 13fe3c5a7 http://git.io/vfyHi (152015-04-27T01:09:32+01:00) 00:22 luizrpgluiz hi 00:23 AndroidKris VanessaE: tried that git bisect and didn't find anything. Doesn't seem to matter what commit I roll back to, i can't use --drawalpha. Which means it's not a bug, but something on my pc. 00:23 AndroidKris or rather, more than likely something NOT on my pc.lol. 01:34 jojoa1997 Hi 01:34 Wayward_Tab Greetings 01:51 est the issue is that the answer of this question depends on the mod used 01:51 est arrr 01:52 est this comes when you type upwards arrow + enter without looking 02:07 AndroidKris lol 02:07 AndroidKris lol 05:31 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Replace PRNG assertions with PrngException 13cd1d625 http://git.io/vfSae (152015-04-27T01:24:37-04:00) 08:10 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Noise: Fix PcgRandom::randNormalDist() when range contains negative numbers 13415167b http://git.io/vf9e0 (152015-04-27T04:05:25-04:00) 09:21 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Tell a Story Day! :-D 13:40 exio4 well 13:40 exio4 Zeno`: ^^^ here ;P 13:41 Zeno` thanks, but probably won't be enough :D 13:45 Zeno` I'll backup the database and give it somebody 13:45 Zeno` I have no regrets... it was awesome fun :D 14:22 exio4 Zeno`: I wonder why you are paying so much for it 14:22 exio4 Zeno`: o.O that's expensive 14:22 Zeno` I dunno 14:22 exio4 (considering an ovh dedi is a few euros..) 14:23 Zeno` when the server started I had average 18 players at any time and up to 30 14:23 Zeno` so it was needed 14:23 Zeno` not now though 14:23 exio4 but tht doesn't seem to need a dual-cpu xeon with 64gb of ram 14:24 Zeno` it was before I optimised minetest and minetestserver as well heheh 14:24 Zeno` actually I dunno what I have... 14:24 * Zeno` looks 14:25 Zeno` 6 cores 14:25 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Revert the upper-case PROJECT_NAME nonsense that was part of #2402 134ea5a96 http://git.io/vfHAA (152015-04-27T16:24:49+02:00) 14:25 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Revert "Only lowercase project name at compile time" 13558d715 http://git.io/vfHAx (152015-04-27T16:24:49+02:00) 14:25 Zeno` model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630L 0 @ 2.00GHz 14:25 sfan5 ಠ_ಠ14:26 sfan5 Zeno`: you need a cpu that good for minecraft not minetest 14:26 Zeno` Mem: 2048 14:26 exio4 that doesn't look like a deal 14:26 exio4 I think you've been scammed Zeno` 14:26 Zeno` probably :) 14:26 exio4 writing runtimes is fun 14:27 exio4 I should decide on a bytecode and then write an optimized interpreter for that one 14:27 Zeno` a bytecode... hmmm 14:50 exio4 Zeno`: tasty, isn't it? 15:30 Telesight What are the requirements for setting up a 20 perons (public) server: CPU, RAM ...? 15:31 Krock more than singlecore is useless for a single minetestserver 15:33 Telesight @Krock Those days cpu' s are mutlicore ;-) So that would be good enough? 15:34 Krock a 2x RPI for 10 prople 15:34 Krock *20 people 15:35 rom1504 how much ram does a 2x rpi have ? 15:35 rom1504 1gb ? 15:35 Calinou raspberry pi 2? 15:36 Calinou according to Wikipedia, it has 1 GB 15:36 Calinou Raspberry Pi 1 B+ has 512 MB 15:37 Telesight Ah you are talking about a Rasperry pi, I am talking about i3, * GB RAM, 120 GB SSD ;-) 15:37 Krock A minetestserver on windows with 15 players uses about 50 MB RAM and up to 40% CPU of a 2.4 GHz (@2) core 15:37 Krock Dunno about linux 15:38 Krock s/core/CPU/ 15:39 Telesight @Krock So it does not need heavy material to setup a 20 persons server 15:41 Krock I'm not @, MinetestBot is. 15:42 Calinou I had 17 players on my VPS, which has 4 vCores, 4 GB RAM, 200 GB HDD, 100 Mb/s effective bandwidth 15:42 Calinou no lag 15:42 Krock "no lag" doesn't exist. there's always lag. 15:43 Telesight Calinou: Ok that is what is in my home server 15:44 Calinou Krock, well, little lag then :P 15:47 exio4 Krock: no noticeable lag 15:48 Telesight ok,ok, minimal lag I understand ... 15:48 exio4 Telesight: you have 100Mb/s of bandwidth at home? ;_; 15:49 Calinou many people have 250 Mb/s up in France 15:49 Calinou Telesight, read and apply those settings: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825 15:49 Calinou they help a lot, especially active_block_range = 1 15:49 Telesight Yes, 100 Mbps up and down ... 15:50 exio4 ;_; 15:50 exio4 I have (1/100) of that 15:50 exio4 not even (1/10) 15:50 Telesight Glassfiber gives lightspeed ;-) 15:53 Calinou dozens of thousands of people have 1 Gb/s down, 250 Mb/s up in France 15:53 Krock dozens of thousands? and how many people live there in france? 15:54 Telesight Calinou: THanks I will read it. Does it take a whole study to run a server, or is it well doable? 15:54 Calinou it's doable but here are a few recommendations: 15:54 Calinou 1. don't install too many mods 15:54 Calinou 2. run server as limited user (do not run it as root) 15:54 Calinou 3. keep server software up to date 15:57 Telesight CAlinou: Ok but no special code knowledge ... 15:57 Calinou you don't need to know how to code to host a server 15:57 Calinou what operating system do you use? 15:58 Telesight It will be Ubuntu server ... 15:59 Calinou how do you plan to admin it? physical access, SSH, ? 16:00 Telesight Calinou: I build it with my bare hands ;-) 16:01 xenkey er 16:06 Telesight So the access is no problem ... 16:06 Calinou well, all you need is build and run minetestserver 16:06 Calinou edit the minetest.conf first appropriately 16:06 Calinou be sure to forward port 30000 in UDP 16:07 xenkey I'm writing a new blog post. I'm thinking about making a tutorial for minetest. Any suggestions? 16:07 Calinou my blog has no real posts yet :D 16:08 Calinou also thinking about Minetest tutorial (performance optimization), but might as well post it on wiki 16:16 MinetestBot 02[git] 04mich1 -> 03minetest/minetest: Add Russian comment translation to minetest.desktop 139179081 http://git.io/vfQQQ (152015-04-27T18:14:58+02:00) 16:17 xenkey I was thinking about the wiki 16:18 xenkey I'm going to cluster minetest 16:18 xenkey Somehow 16:19 xenkey Bu separating the parts onto as many servers as possible 16:20 xenkey That's Minetest, Redis, cURL media 16:21 Calinou my server still uses SQLite :P 16:21 Calinou no cURL either 16:22 xenkey Hm 16:22 xenkey I'm gonna read the wiki and see what's new 16:25 xenkey At the risk of sounding like a kid, does anyone want to start a server with me? 16:32 Telesight xenkey: on what do you want ot build that server? Bare metal, VPS..... 16:33 xenkey I still have 10 bare metal clusters so I'll experiment distributing minetest 16:37 Telesight In your home? .... 16:38 xenkey No! 16:38 xenkey I bought them 16:38 xenkey http://a.uguu.se/cgobbh_tmp.uycIDOq3wB.png 16:38 Telesight I already thought you are a little strange ;-) 16:39 xenkey These are dev only servers 16:39 xenkey I have three main servers 16:39 xenkey Two Debian and one FreeBSD 16:40 Krock are you crazy, xenkey? 16:40 xenkey Very. 16:40 xenkey They're free 16:40 Telesight Your whole income goes to PVS' s ... 16:40 xenkey They're free... 16:40 xenkey All of them 16:40 Krock *VPS 16:40 Krock xenkey, but the power costs... 16:40 xenkey Personal Virtual Server works 16:40 Telesight Sorry PVS ... 16:41 xenkey lol 16:41 xenkey Private even 16:41 Telesight 1kWatt/h 16:43 xenkey They ain't billing me that 16:43 xenkey Perhaps 10 was a bit crazy 16:43 Telesight xenkey: Are you planning to build a server? 16:44 xenkey Yes 16:44 Telesight hmmm, let me think ... 16:45 Telesight I do have plans too, but have not setup the hardware and more important the security .... 16:46 Telesight That is the disadvante of a homeserver ... 16:46 Telesight disadvantage 16:47 Krock set up a FTP server on our machine, portforward it and give R/W access to public 16:47 Krock that's security, yeah. 16:47 xenkey That's smart krock 16:47 xenkey I think I'll do that 16:47 Telesight What is "our"? 16:47 Krock What a wonderful world. 16:48 xenkey ^ 16:48 Krock Telesight, that's a word and is pssesion word for the personal form "we" 16:48 xenkey rekt 16:48 xenkey anyway 16:48 xenkey i'd better get on it 16:49 Telesight Krock, I meant which machine? 16:49 xenkey your machine 16:49 xenkey he clearly meant your 16:49 Krock the 'y' was missing 16:49 xenkey an arbitrary machine 16:49 Krock blame keyboard 16:50 Telesight Ah,ok typo ... 16:50 xenkey Anyone want to watch me set it up? 16:50 xenkey I'll broadcast a show :) 16:50 Telesight But my homeserver is on my lan ... 16:51 xenkey Would never have thought that 16:51 xenkey I'd use two routers 16:52 xenkey I terminated 7 servers... 16:52 Telesight My server is at the moment not exposed to the internet, but if i will setup a mintestserver I have to but only with enough security 16:53 Telesight I think I will setup a subnetwork ... 17:09 xenkey I've put the redis server and minetest server on different nodes 17:09 xenkey anything else i can separate? 17:09 xenkey I have one more place to fill 17:25 sofar backups? 17:26 xenkey so much effort to do backups like that 17:26 proller one server per player 17:26 xenkey wow 17:26 xenkey 10 player max.... 17:26 xenkey How would that work 17:26 xenkey I bet I could write a mod to synchronize the players 17:26 Telesight Xenkey: What server os do you use? 17:26 xenkey If minetest wasn't modded in lua, I probably could :P 17:27 xenkey Telesight: They're all Debian 7 although I ran a server on an Arch Linux server before 17:27 xenkey I'd use FreeBSD but my host doesn't offer it 17:27 xenkey They have a massive Coming soon (tm) sign for it though 17:27 Telesight Ah, ok 17:29 Telesight So the setup will be nearly the same as on Ubuntu server 17:33 xenkey Pretty much 17:38 rubenwardy Hi all! 17:38 xenkey Hi rubenwardy! 17:40 Calinou Debian 8 is out, upgrade already :P 17:42 Krock Amazing idea. 1 server per player, then sync all worlds, so every player can play alone but watch the buildings of the other 9 players 17:42 xenkey Ew 17:42 xenkey Krock: That'd be nice 17:42 xenkey 10 player max for me though :3 17:43 Krock increase it to 2 players per server if required 17:43 xenkey Bit of a waste though 17:43 xenkey I always use » as my shell prompt 17:43 xenkey Even in illustrations 17:44 xenkey Some people use $ and #, I just assume they're smart enough to know if you run it as root or not and go the simple » way 17:44 xenkey → works too 17:44 Calinou $ and # are obvious, » isn't 17:45 xenkey Exactly 17:45 rubenwardy Is the $ important then, in terms of su? 17:45 xenkey It started off with me redacting half of my prompt because I didn't want people to see my username 17:45 xenkey $ is typically the normal user and # is root 17:48 Calinou pinkie-pie@xenkey-pc:$ 17:48 Calinou that must be it 17:48 xenkey ew 17:48 xenkey a dash 17:49 Calinou rainbowdash@xenkey-pc:$ then :3 17:49 xenkey THERE'S STILL A DASH 17:49 xenkey rainbowdash@xenkey-pc:$ 17:49 Calinou dashie@xenkeypc:$ :3 17:50 xenkey > pc 17:50 Calinou dashie@xenkaymac then 17:50 Calinou 17:50 Calinou lol xenkay 17:50 Calinou didn't do that intentionally 17:50 xenkey C:\Users\Xenpie> 17:51 xenkey http://a.uguu.se/jnkvta_tmp.0rZLB0IEdU.png 17:51 xenkey you forgot the path in all of them 17:51 xenkey user@host:[path]$ 17:51 Calinou screenfetch looks very nice, installing it 17:51 xenkey xen@gay:~$ 17:51 sfan5 >dejavu sans in a terminal 17:51 Calinou I use a custom liquid prompt 17:51 xenkey You didn't know about screenfetch?! 17:52 Krock You abuse the windows logo 17:52 xenkey sfan5: ... 17:52 Calinou https://lut.im/KUxH0w6r/100YWjQG 17:52 xenkey sfan5: That's my GTK font 17:52 xenkey Calinou: Nice colour scheme 17:52 Calinou I use Noto Sans as system font 17:52 Calinou my personal site uses Roboto 17:52 xenkey Noto is quite nice 17:52 Calinou the console font is Liberation Mono 17:52 sofar xfce4++ 17:52 xenkey I prefer PragmataPro for my terminal one 17:52 xenkey I hate desktop enviromnents 17:53 Calinou InconsolataLGC is rather nice too 17:53 sfan5 why does every have so many packages installed? 17:53 sfan5 % pacman -Q | wc -l 17:53 sfan5 1188 17:53 sfan5 everyone* 17:53 sofar that's how Linux works... 17:53 Calinou http://openfontlibrary.org/en/font/inconsolata-lgc 17:53 Calinou sfan5, lots of dependencies for games and development 17:53 xenkey sfan5: is that how many you have? 17:53 sfan5 xenkey: yes 17:53 xenkey are you kidding 17:53 sofar a base Linux is 300pkgs minimum, more like 700-800 if you have graphical programs 17:53 sfan5 no 17:53 xenkey sfan5: http://a.uguu.se/katkcm_tmp.k4xHpSzABN.png 17:54 Krock I'm sure there's an u16 package to increase the pacman level count to 65500 17:54 sfan5 xenkey: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 17:54 xenkey snap i guess :P 17:54 sofar You can't even boot Linux in less than 70 or so packages 17:54 sfan5 Calinou: arch doesn't have seperate -dev packages so.... 17:54 Calinou I wish Debian didn't either :( 17:54 Calinou it bloats the package database 17:55 xenkey It has -git ones though 17:55 Calinou I like the idea of -git packages 17:55 Calinou but Debian is strongly opposed to it 17:55 xenkey and -svn 17:55 xenkey and -hg... 17:55 Calinou and -fossil and -darcs and -perforce 17:55 xenkey -git ones are only in the AUR 17:55 xenkey lol 17:55 Calinou and -cvs!!!! 17:55 xenkey yes 17:55 xenkey can't forget cvs 17:56 xenkey minetest be installed! 17:58 xenkey tfw sfan5 is a clone of me 17:58 sfan5 ikr 17:59 xenkey Uh my redis is a bit open to the world... 17:59 xenkey Who wants to use my redis server 17:59 xenkey This is why we don't advertise domains before we are done configuring... 18:01 xenkey Oh 18:01 xenkey I can remove the external IP address 18:01 xenkey Well a whole lot of use that effort was 18:31 Zytum hi 18:32 Zytum Can anyone explain me ow create a platform moved by a lever? 18:32 Zytum pleade 18:32 Zytum please 18:33 est31 Zytum look at mesecons mod 18:33 xenkey Isn't there an option for the Redis password? 18:34 Zytum I'll take a tour 18:42 xenkey Well redis is a pain 18:42 xenkey No password support at all? 18:43 sofar better tunnel it ;) 18:43 xenkey ew 18:43 xenkey ugh 18:43 xenkey ip fuckin' tables 18:43 xenkey hate this 18:44 Krock Why not use sqlite3? 18:44 sofar that's what you get by moving the DB off your server 18:47 xenkey Krock: because the sole purpose of me starting this server is to test out redis! 18:47 Krock Okay, it must be tested somewhen. 18:50 Zytum I can't !!! 18:51 sofar if you want to test redis, does it have to be on a remote server? why not just run it on 127.0.0.1 ? 18:51 sofar saves you all the iptables mess 18:51 xenkey $ sudo pacman -S redis-server 18:51 xenkey sudo: pacman: command not found 18:51 xenkey ... 18:51 xenkey sofar: That's no fun 18:51 Hijiri Zytum: can't what 18:52 Zytum create a bridge lever 18:52 Zytum I read a little, I download mod, activted in my map and I can't 18:53 Zytum but nevermind, I'll try another day 18:53 sofar try messing around with pistons and move blocks 18:53 sofar play around a bit 18:55 bobgreen Hi! How is everyone? 18:56 Krock Hi! And! Bye! 18:56 bobgreen Lol, ha! 18:58 xenkey iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s 127.0.0.1 --dport 6379 -j ACCEPT 18:58 xenkey why do i have to do this 19:11 Zytum bye! 19:27 xenkey guys 19:27 xenkey IT WORKS! 19:28 xenkey Anybody want to test it? 19:28 jojoa1997 test what 19:29 xenkey My Redis server 19:35 xenkey Should I bring Zenith back? 19:35 xenkey I can insert the map from my home connection if I add a firewall rule :3 19:42 xenkey http://a.uguu.se/yjnufl_tmp.uHCpnMhiT3.png 22:53 AndroidKris Lively in here tonight. 23:33 Sokomine hmm. roofs are perfectly normal positions for mobs to stand on, arn't they?