Time Nick Message 00:31 * Pilcrow wishes set_node could use an itemstring instead of an itemtable 00:55 Hijiri sorry Pilcrow, I have autojoin so I didn't notice your message 00:55 Hijiri I just connected then ignored irc for an hour 01:08 Pilcrow lol Hijiri, that's fine. I've been playing some minetest anyway, so I wasn't just sitting here waiting for you to respond or something like that, lol 01:48 Pilcrow looking a little at haskell, the functions have no "end"s... which I assume means that the language is entirely dependant on proper indentation. that feels backwards to me; I've always liked languages where the whitespace is ignored. a newline, a space, and a tab should all be treated the same, imo. that's one thing I like very much about lua... :P 01:49 est yes, just like me 01:49 est I hate the ABC creep 01:50 Pilcrow not sure what you mean by ABC creep 01:50 est I'm not sure wasnt ABC the one that introduced this? 01:52 Pilcrow shows how much I know; I didn't even know there was a programming language called ABC... :P 01:56 Pilcrow I think it's hard to read something that opens and has no visible close other than by position, anyway. makes my brain go bleah... still better than going the xhtml rout though; can you imagine if we ended our if-statements with :P 01:57 Pilcrow s/ :P/? :P/ 01:57 kahrl still better than 01:57 kahrl ;) 01:57 Pilcrow haha 01:58 kahrl (that's SSI) 01:58 Pilcrow that's horrible lol 02:01 Pilcrow SSI is odd anyway though... a language that exists within another language's comments? yo dawg... 03:26 sofar hmm, the mobs plugin is sadly too unstable 03:27 sofar mods/mobs/api.lua:812: attempt to index a nil value 03:49 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Cavegen: Remove now unnecessary checks for water, lava, ice 13392ac41 http://git.io/vegkY (152015-04-07T04:43:24+01:00) 04:07 Pilcrow sofar, which mobs mod are you using? there are like 4 that use the same namespace, so I gotta ask, lol. 04:22 sofar Pilcrow: I didn't configure it, couldn't see how to, so it's running in default config? 04:23 sofar Pilcrow: oh sorry, misread 04:23 sofar Pilcrow: git://github.com/tenplus1/mobs 04:32 Pilcrow sofar: that's an odd error... do you have the latest version (commited 13 hours ago)? 04:33 sofar I git updated earlier, that crash was after I restarted the server after the git pull 04:33 sofar mind you, it had the error before the update too 04:35 sofar it appears the api.lua crashes in both line 812 and 815, not sure why, didn't read the code 04:35 sofar huh, that only makes sense if "self" is nil 04:36 sofar and it should indeed crash much earlier then 04:36 Pilcrow that's why it's confusing me too. 04:37 sofar I had to disable it since it constantly crashed while I was playing with my son 04:37 sofar will maybe try later again 04:37 sofar afk for a bit 04:38 Pilcrow sofar: I'm still looking through the code some more. I may be able to help... :P 04:41 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix missing SQLite3 statement pointer initialization 133c6e112 http://git.io/vegsd (152015-04-07T00:31:41-04:00) 04:45 Zeno` All in all you're just another brick in the wall 04:45 est ? 04:45 Zeno` just singin' 04:46 Zeno` sofar, how do I make it crash? 04:46 * Zeno` bashes a sheep mercilessly 04:46 Zeno` i will eat you my furry little friend 04:47 Zeno` yucky sheep 04:47 Zeno` must have been old 04:49 Pilcrow lol Zeno`... awesome song, btw. I LOVE Pink Floyd, especially the whole The Wall album... 04:52 Pilcrow Zeno`: the only cause I can think of is that the mob somehow got removed in the middle of its execution instead of waiting until it's done... the offending line just says "self.pause_timer = r", which would only cause an "attempt to index a nil value" error if self does not exist... but that doesn't seem to make sense, as the previous line also accesses self and doesn't cause an error... 04:53 Zeno` doesn't seem to crash for me 04:54 Zeno` Hey! Pilcrow! Leave them mobs alone 04:54 Pilcrow lol, Zeno`, I'm only trying to help... :P 04:54 Zeno` just singin' 04:55 Pilcrow lol 04:56 Pilcrow times like this, I wish irc had msn-style emoticons; your lines could really use music notes around them... ;) 04:56 Zeno` â˜º 04:57 est â™«â™«â™«â™« 04:57 Zeno` â™« 04:57 est ð…¢ 04:57 Pilcrow haha. ascii codes? 04:57 Zeno` â™«â™ªâ™©â™¯ 04:57 est ðŸŽ¸ðŸŽ¸ ðŸŽ¸ðŸŽ¸ 04:57 est Unicode 04:57 Zeno` âš– 04:57 Zeno` â›„ 04:58 Pilcrow est, your "ð…¢" and "ðŸŽ¸ðŸŽ¸ ðŸŽ¸ðŸŽ¸" just show up as rectangles for me... :P 04:58 Zeno` â˜¢ 04:58 * est runs 04:58 Zeno` aww :( 04:58 Zeno` â˜® 04:58 est yaay 04:59 est Pilcrow, visit this page with a more or less modern browser: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-04-07 05:00 Zeno` like lynx 05:00 est telnet is enough too 05:01 Pilcrow est, I'm in my most "modern" browser right now: using webchat in Opera 12.16. I don't have Firefox or Chrome/chromium installed... 05:01 est just dont use netcat 05:01 Zeno` telnet?! 05:01 Zeno` Opera Winfrey? 05:02 * Pilcrow facepalms at Zeno` 05:03 Zeno` I wonder if web browser shows that up heheh 05:03 Pilcrow it shows up, but what is a ctcp? 05:04 Zeno` secret 05:04 Zeno` client to client protocol 05:05 Zeno` /ctcp Zeno- TIME 05:07 est Zeno`, http://pasteboard.co/2nAHmSql.png 05:08 Pilcrow Zeno`: I have no idea what you're doing or what's going on. I have next to zero knowledge of IRC. heck, I can't even figure out how to use a client application! I have KVirc installed, but can't get it to connect to #minetest, so I've been using the webchat instead... :/ 05:08 Zeno` est, you didn't do the handshake properly 05:08 est http://pasteboard.co/2nAL3QeB.png 05:08 est why? 05:08 Zeno` oh sorry 05:08 Zeno` thought you were connecting to the irc server 05:09 est no 05:13 ZenoZeno- hello 05:14 ZenoZeno- infuriating 05:14 VanessaE_ oh shit, now there's three of them! 05:14 Pilcrow lol 05:14 ZenoZeno- have 05:15 Zeno` too hard 05:15 VanessaE_ ? 05:15 Zeno` I dunno who would use telnet to chat on IRC 05:15 Pilcrow aww, /nick doesn't support unicode symbols... 05:15 Zeno` trying to keep up with the PINGS and the PONGS is very annoying 05:16 Pilcrow I was going to call myself â‹, since that is the literary symbol that is my namesake (i.e. the symbol â‹ is called a pilcrow)... :( 05:16 Zeno` :sinisalo.freenode.net 401 ZenoZeno- #mintest :No such nick/channel <--- no idea what caused that 05:17 Zeno` oh 05:17 Zeno` typo 05:17 Zeno` heh 05:18 est * ðŸ’© :Erroneous Nickname 05:18 est shitty plan it was 05:18 Pilcrow oops. actually Â¶ is a pilcrow, not â‹ 05:22 Zeno` lol 05:22 VanessaE_ if the former is a pilcrow, what's the latter? 05:22 Pilcrow I'm not sure.... XD 05:23 VanessaE_ *holds up a mirror* 05:23 VanessaE_ there, now both are pilcrows. 05:24 Pilcrow lol. I just looked it up. apparently the latter is just called a reverse pilcrow.... :P 05:24 VanessaE_ heh 05:29 Pilcrow well, Zeno`, I can't seem to figure out how sofar's problem could have happened. maybe you have some insight? 05:30 Zeno` nope, none :( 05:34 Pilcrow aww, my browser doesn't support any unicode Thai characters! either that, or I just don't have an available font installed... :P 05:35 Pilcrow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_alphabet has TONS of rectangles for me, lol 05:36 est works well fore me 05:38 Pilcrow est: what browser are you using, if I may ask? 05:38 Pilcrow also s/fore/for/ ;) 05:38 est firefox 05:39 Pilcrow ah. I used to like firefox, but it's gotten progressively worse. in my other computer, firefox is so slow and crashes so often, I installed opera just to have something useable... :/ 05:48 sofar Pilcrow: you know why mobs crashes for me? figured it out? 05:49 Pilcrow sorry, sofar. the bug doesn't seem to make sense and I can't figure it out... :/ 05:49 sofar np 05:51 Pilcrow oh, actually, sofar, one quick thing: it's a long shot, but do me a favor and try commenting out the check_for_death(self) on line 786. 05:51 sofar paying some bills first :) 05:53 Pilcrow ok. just a heads-up, though, I don't think it will work. just a shot in the dark, lol. 06:31 Pilcrow I need to go to bed 06:33 sofar hummm, how do I create a new privs? there's no register command for it, but I can't randomly /grant user string? 06:35 est there is a register command for privs 06:36 est minetest.register_privilege(name, definition) 06:37 sofar euh, must have been looking in an old lua_api.txt :( 06:44 Pilcrow goodnight, guys, I gotta go to bed. 08:12 Krock 7 spam topics in the General Discussion forum, c'mon moderators. 08:26 VanessaE_ cleaned up. 08:26 * VanessaE_ wanders off to bed. 08:26 VanessaE_ night. 08:28 * Krock is happy about VanessaE_ and wishes her gn 09:01 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy World Health Day! :-D 09:15 Krock moin, JamesTait 09:16 JamesTait o/ Krock 09:18 * Krock found a dirt ore 09:19 * JamesTait boggles 09:35 Krock !server bremaweb 09:35 MinetestBot Krock: No results 10:17 Krock eww. spambots love Minetest 10:19 xenkey ye 11:01 xenkey Hi! 11:03 xenkey !server Jordach 11:03 MinetestBot xenkey: Jordach's Public Server | jordach.net:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/7 | Version: 0.4.11-dev / minetest | Ping: 7ms 11:05 Jordach m8 11:07 xenkey Jordach: You could say you have countless players 11:07 xenkey And you'd be correct 11:08 Krock lool 11:09 xenkey I'm going to try running Minetest on Plan 9 11:09 xenkey A (gasp) non-unix based OS 11:09 Krock try ReactOS, I wonder if minetest runs on it 11:10 xenkey no 11:10 xenkey too popular 11:10 xenkey Minetest is the variable phrase in my sentence, not Plan 9 11:10 xenkey You could instead say: try openarena also 11:11 Krock try openarena also 11:11 xenkey lol 11:11 xenkey I'm going to register a domain 11:15 Krock Ehm. How can I "fork" a wiki page to translate it? Too lazy to use google for that :3 11:15 xenkey put it into your user sandbox 11:16 xenkey xkill doesn't work in bspwm -.- 11:18 xenkey cat usbdisk | grep `cat usbdisk` :) 11:19 xenkey I just found a bug!! 11:21 Calinou http://opengameart.org/content/transparent-shape-pack 11:21 Calinou :D 11:26 alket lol, failed April Fools 11:49 VanillaVan Hi 11:50 xenkey hi 11:50 VanillaVan Hey xen! 11:53 Krock You've got little time, I see. 11:54 xenkey Hate those people 12:39 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: TOCLIENT_ACTIVE_OBJECT_MESSAGES: channel must be 1 for unreliable message 135132908 http://git.io/veazv (152015-04-07T14:28:36+02:00) 13:12 Krock When someone doesn't get the theme: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=175366#p175366 13:13 xenkey lol 13:17 rubenwardy He's new. Give him the benefit of the doubt. He's probably like 12. 13:18 Krock I thought kids would only act stoopid in chats, but not on forums because they never find the way there. 13:18 xenkey I've seen linux system administrators more skilled than I at like 11 13:18 xenkey no excuse 13:18 xenkey lol 13:20 Krock do you mean the sys admins act like 11 or like "When I was 11, there were better sys admins"? 13:21 Krock #horribleenglish 14:30 luizrpgluiz hi 14:31 xenkey hi 14:33 xenkey !server VanessaE_ 14:33 MinetestBot xenkey: No results 14:33 xenkey !server VanessaE 14:33 xenkey ... 14:35 xenkey !server Jordach 14:35 MinetestBot xenkey: Jordach's Public Server | jordach.net:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/7 | Version: 0.4.11-dev / minetest | Ping: 7ms 14:50 Johnsen2 !server LILLY 14:50 MinetestBot Johnsen2: Henrik and LILLY's server | 80.202.212.144 | Clients: 11/15, 6/14 | Version: 0.4.9 / minetest | Ping: 222ms 14:50 Johnsen2 Yea.. so anoyying 14:51 Johnsen2 -!- Warning: Do not join LILLY's server.. It is full of anoyying and drama.. 14:51 Johnsen2 !server stormchaser3000 14:51 MinetestBot Johnsen2: No results 14:51 Johnsen2 Ugh? 15:22 stormchaser3000 ugh 15:33 Krock So much typin': N Crafting/deâ€Ž; 18:32 . . (+11,734)â€Ž . . â€ŽKrock 15:36 jin_xi yay for pathfinding http://i.imgur.com/p4oLcsj.png 15:36 Krock AAHHAHA 15:36 Krock lovely 15:40 VanessaE_ jin_xi: wow, some path 15:41 Krock It should be possible to create a better pathfinder with Lua in 3 or 4 hours 15:42 exio4 \o/ my arduino kit is at home 16:02 rubenwardy Hi all! 16:04 xenkey Hi rubenwardy! 16:09 Krock Hahha, that's great. I just tested ReactOS with QEMU and suddenly got a bluescreen like in real Windows :3 16:10 xenkey lol 16:10 xenkey Krock: do you know how to play the BSoD game? 16:10 Krock xenkey, no, never heard of it 16:17 xenkey blue screen of death 16:19 Krock There is no BSoD gam 16:19 Krock +e 16:20 xenkey http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death 16:22 Krock Great one. http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/4/40/Startrek-BSoD.gif/revision/latest?cb=20100629212643 16:23 Krock Windows is still used in 24th century 16:24 xenkey lol 16:53 rubenwardy !title https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/30bfb1173f9afeecef82 16:53 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Convert folder of images to PDF with filenames 16:54 xenkey Whoops We seem to have missed the gist of that gist you were looking for. 16:54 xenkey hehe 16:55 rubenwardy Try again :P 16:57 xenkey https://gist.github.com/sssssssssssssdd 16:57 Krock SSD 17:04 rubenwardy new post - http://rubenwardy.com/ 17:04 Hijiri what if erlang was the mod language 17:04 Hijiri then I'd have some motivation to learn erlang 17:05 Hijiri you send messages to some minetest actors instead of invoking methods on a global minetest object 17:06 Hijiri and of course you would get pattern matching 17:35 Krock rubenwardy, somehow I don't get how your beruben intepreter works 17:35 rubenwardy Lol 17:35 Krock I successfully compiled it after changing 6 lines but I'm stuck at the syntax 17:35 rubenwardy It's a work in progress. Currently you can only print things to the console and use thread 17:35 rubenwardy no input 17:35 rubenwardy !g befunge tutorial 17:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befunge 17:36 rubenwardy It's like that, but the commands are different, you'll have to see the language specification 17:36 xenkey rubenwardy: I subscribed to your blog :3 17:36 Krock "As stated, the design goal for Befunge was to create a language which was difficult to compile." 17:36 rubenwardy Yay! 17:37 xenkey These a great, if a bit short 17:39 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/creating_textures.html 17:42 Sokomine hmm. anyone got any experience with formspec tables and headers? they don't cooperate the way i want them to.... 17:43 Krock !mod smartfs 17:43 MinetestBot Krock: [Lib] Smart Formspecs [smartfs] by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7553 17:43 Sokomine in particular, the tabheader doesn't seem to have too much in common with the actual table 17:43 Sokomine that only helps me if rubenwardy knows the solution to my problem 17:44 xenkey https://github.com/rubenwardy/mesecode 17:44 xenkey this is kewl 17:45 Krock meh. python 18:54 Krock 400kB can be quite funny. Running some self-destroy scripts on LuaJIT for the lulz 18:57 ShadowNinja So I changed somaphores from always using a *global* mutex lock on OSX to only using a local one if you're using OSX without C++11 with something other than a (not-so-)recent GCC (Feb 2006 or later). It should also use atomic ops on semi-recent Clang, but I haven't found a way to check for the __sync_ family of functions on LLVM. 19:28 Halamix2 http://translate.minetest.net/ is not working anymore? 19:31 kahrl you mean translate.minetest.ru? 19:31 kahrl but yes, xyz stopped maintaining it 19:32 Halamix2 ok 21:05 Hijiri is there a mod ideas forum for the creatively bankrupt 21:05 Hijiri or does that just go in feature discussion 21:06 kahrl there's a stickied thread for it in modding discussion 21:07 Hijiri thanks 21:07 Hijiri I have a bad habit of ignoring announcements and stickies 21:08 Hijiri unless I specifically expect what I'm looking for to be an announcement or sticky 22:28 Etzos This is probably a stupid question but why is it that mods aren't versioned? And tangentially, why is there no way to specify conflicts explicitly? 22:30 Hijiri might be cool to have a package manager / repository 22:31 xenkey Mine-get install 22:31 xenkey Mineman -S 22:31 xenkey Mineoo emerge 22:32 Etzos That's the reason I was asking. 22:32 Etzos I was thinking of building a system for doing that kind of thing. 22:32 xenkey Feel free 22:32 xenkey But you need a 'repo' 22:33 xenkey I'd be interested in this too 22:33 Etzos Well, I'm definitely in the early idea stage at this point. Just thinking about some of the possibilities. 22:34 xenkey Try a forum crawler 22:35 xenkey Or mod db parser 22:36 xenkey I'd just go with a repo 22:36 Etzos Yeah. 22:37 xenkey And spend some hours of your life compiling the names 22:37 Etzos At least initially. :P 22:37 xenkey May I suggest an array of links to git repos and names 22:37 Etzos Ultimately I think it would be better if I just let people point to their repo or upload a zip of the mod. 22:38 Etzos As long as those include an extra file with metadata. 22:38 xenkey any other mods are pleb tier, dont bother 22:38 xenkey Etzos: nonono we already have that 22:38 Etzos Oh? 22:39 xenkey Make a cli script to fetch the package list from a server then auto clone from that 22:39 xenkey You need a repo link, friendly name, and canonical name 22:40 Etzos Oh yeah. That's easy. 22:41 xenkey Yup 22:41 xenkey What language do you plan to use? 22:41 Etzos Whatever fits my fancy. XD 22:42 xenkey Try asm for the lulz 22:42 Etzos So portable it hurts. :P 22:42 xenkey Yeah 22:42 xenkey Python would be my choice 22:42 Zeno` Shrubberies! 22:42 Etzos Yeah, that's what I was leaning towards. 22:43 xenkey Zeno`: mese cabbage 22:43 xenkey Want to work together on this one? 22:43 Zeno` It's not dead; it's just sleeping 22:44 Zeno` Working together on the shrubbery? 22:44 xenkey No it's conpiling 22:44 xenkey No 22:44 xenkey Scroll u- oh wait 22:44 Etzos xenkey: Sure. 22:44 xenkey Alright 22:45 xenkey I'm sort of sleeping now, how's tomorrow? 22:45 Etzos Tomorrow is fine. 22:45 xenkey What time zone are you in by the way? 22:45 Etzos US Eastern. 22:45 Etzos But I live more like US Pacific. 9.9 22:45 xenkey er, what's the time there? :P 22:45 Etzos Or rather, my schedule is more like US Pacific. 22:46 Etzos Current time is 18:45. 22:46 xenkey GMT-5 ? 22:47 Etzos UTC-5, yes. 22:47 xenkey there's six hours difference but that shouldn't matter 22:47 xenkey Will we need a server though? 22:48 Etzos I think I can find something if need be. 22:48 xenkey Alright, awesome 22:48 xenkey Should we base it on github? 22:48 Etzos But if all we will be pulling is a simple list, we could just use GitHub to store that. XD 22:49 xenkey Oh yeah 22:49 xenkey True 22:49 Etzos I would say git in general. 22:49 xenkey I have a bsd server with git set if if you fancy something new 22:49 Etzos Adding support for other things like hg or svn wouldn't be too difficult either. 22:50 xenkey I was thinking http for downloading the list 22:50 xenkey Perhaps even rsync 22:50 Etzos Yeah. 22:51 xenkey I'm working on a minetest netcat sort of interface at the momemt too 22:52 xenkey Works great, just my implementation of rate limiting is a bit shite 22:52 Etzos XD 22:53 xenkey http://mtcm.eu/py/minerequest/ 22:54 xenkey That last commit was so constructive 22:55 Etzos Can't survive without a header. :P 22:55 xenkey Yup 22:55 xenkey Consistency is key :) 22:55 xenkey Would you be willing to use these repos for the project? 22:56 Etzos Sure. 22:56 Etzos Oh, what license do you fancy? 22:57 xenkey I'll go for whatever, licenses aren't something i've had to care about in a while 22:57 xenkey I should read up on them :P 22:57 Etzos Fair enough. 22:58 xenkey Do you by any chance use xmpp? 22:58 Etzos I use a little bit of everything. So yes. :P 22:59 xenkey Awesome, mind adding me? 23:00 Etzos xenkey: I do not mind. 23:00 xenkey Alright, my JID is mark@dotx.me 23:40 Zeno` what's minrequest? 23:40 Zeno` Allows Minetest players to request interact via a netcat interface. 23:40 Zeno` oh 23:40 Zeno` useful I guess