Time  Nick            Message
00:00 Pilcrow_        lol. only 7pm here
00:00 xenkey          http://mtcm.eu/py/minerequest/ check the last commit
00:03 Pilcrow_        lol. starting to look good, xenkey.
00:04 xenkey          Yeah it sort of works
00:06 Pilcrow_        sort of? why only sort of?
00:09 xenkey          cuz
00:09 xenkey          idk what went wrong i forgot
00:10 xenkey          its 1 in the morning m8
00:11 Pilcrow_        lol. maybe you should go to bed?
00:11 Pilcrow_        it's still sunny here. you jelly?  :P
00:12 xenkey          Very jelly
00:12 xenkey          I wish I had some jelly...
00:12 xenkey          Do you have jelly?
00:12 xenkey          If you did I would totally be jelly
00:13 xenkey          You could eat me
00:13 Pilcrow_        O_o  ...  in that case no, I have no jelly.  :P
00:13 xenkey          Oh but
00:13 xenkey          THIS IS WHY I GO TO BED AT 10
00:13 xenkey          I just read what I put...
00:14 xenkey          I like my misc http://a.pomf.se/pwiemy.png
00:14 Pilcrow_        (I probably do, actually, but I can't be arsed to check)  :D
00:14 xenkey          lol
00:14 xenkey          What does one do with a new server>
00:15 Pilcrow_        put jelly on it?
00:16 Pilcrow_        wait. my friend's little sister is nicknamed jelly. don't put her on it.  :P
00:16 xenkey          Hehe
00:16 xenkey          jelly (missing):
00:16 xenkey          required by: world[jelly]
00:17 xenkey          NOOOO
00:17 Pilcrow_        looks like your jelly is missing...
00:17 xenkey          I hate it when that happens
00:17 xenkey          One minute it's missing the the next it's there
00:17 xenkey          The other way round
00:20 xenkey          So many symlinks http://a.pomf.se/hgycvy.png
00:21 Pilcrow_        heh. yup
00:26 Pilcrow_        I made jelly that doesn't really exist! the file command says "jelly: broken symbolic link to `jelly'"  :P
00:36 xenkey          Going to bed. Cya.
00:41 Pilcrow_        bye xenkey
02:31 ipv6b           sfan5, have we not played before together?
03:06 sofar           anyone know how to "pick up" (not harvest) bushes from the bushes mod? e.g. strawberry bushes
03:08 sofar           nobody?
03:14 sofar           hmmm, looks like it's not supported
03:14 sofar           -- TODO: add support for nodebreakers? those dig like mese picks
03:14 sofar           should just use shovel as tool here
03:16 sofar           aha, reading the code I see now that that works, lol :)
05:15 Calinou         is there a mod that disallows placement of lava bucket above sea level?
11:40 efrahim         Hi. My game won't start. If I just run "minetest" it simply stops after Irrlicht log message with GLSL version, turning on "--trace" it stops after 'OpenALSoundManager: "main_menu" not found.', no menu opens. Only warning/error messages are that it cannot find the main_menu.[0-9].ogg files.
11:40 Calinou         efrahim, what operating system do you use?
11:40 Calinou         try self-compiling the game
11:40 efrahim         Calinou: GNU/Linux Gentoo
11:40 Calinou         http://github.com/minetest/minetest
11:52 efrahim         Calinou: Hmm... would be nice to figure out why it is wrong though. Anyhow, compiling the source from github gives me the error "Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid"
11:53 efrahim         Calinou: With "--trace" it stops at the same point as before.
11:55 xenkey          efrahim: did you clone minetest_game into games/ ?
11:56 efrahim         xenkey: woops. That solved the "default_game" error, still the same problem though.
11:57 xenkey          Try with -DENABLE_SOUND=1
11:57 Calinou         sound is enabled by default
11:57 xenkey          Or whatever turns it on
11:57 xenkey          Hrm
11:57 Calinou         you need libogg, libvorbis, libopenal
11:59 efrahim         Calinou: they are all installed (and allready pulled in by Gentoo portage when installing mintest from portage)
12:00 jin_xi          maybe try --gameid list and then start with --gameid <game>
12:01 Salbei          efrahim: you use the version in portage?
12:03 efrahim         jin_xi: Tried all combinations of {minetest from portage, mintest from git} and {--gameid minetest, --gameid minimal} all game the same thing.
12:04 efrahim         Salbei: Yes and no. I'm testing with both now.
12:04 Salbei          efrahim: I have a layman overlay for gentoo users with the 0.4.12 inside: https://gitlab.com/Salbei/incolab-overlay
12:04 Salbei          minetest and minetest_game
12:06 efrahim         Tried to compile with "-sounds" from potage with gets rid of the "main_menu" error. Still the menu does not pop up (sometimes I'm able to see the main menu show up for an instance and then vanish)
12:06 efrahim         Salbei: ok. I would like not to use overlays, but I will take a look and see if it could help figure out the problem.
12:26 efrahim         Salbei: Hmm... that is even a not-in-layman type of overlay. The minetest 0.4.12 in games_overlay does not work, the difference seems to be (by comparing ebuilds) is where to place the binaries. Still, it has the same problem.
12:45 spideyjaden     Is popularity on?
12:46 spideyjaden     Hello jordach!
12:46 spideyjaden     I,m Spideyjaden
13:40 efrahim         I seem to have gotten somewhere. The windowed mode does not start at all, if I enable fullscreen in my minetest.conf the game starts in 800x600. If I add 1920x1080 also to my conf it does not start anymore, likely because when running "minetest --videomodes" a 1080 res is not there -- why?
13:55 efrahim         Salbei: Are you also running irrlicht 1.8.1?
14:04 Zeno`           what video modes does it list?
14:05 Zeno`           The windowed most is not supposed to start if fullscreen is enabled btw (how would that make sense?)
14:10 xenkey          Hi everyone!
14:14 xenkey          Jordach: Can you add treecapitator?
14:24 efrahim         Zeno`: Full video modes list: http://pastebin.com/XyBw8kKB Not sure what you mean. What I meant is that if a put "fullscreen = false" in my config, a window appears for an instance and then vanish and I get no error, if I instead put "fullscreen = true" it starts, but only on a few choices for video modes.
14:29 Zeno`           type: xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
14:29 Zeno`           (in a console)
14:31 efrahim         Zeno`: Outpout: "dimensions:    2944x1080 pixels (774x284 millimeters)"
14:33 efrahim         Zeno`: That is a funny one since I have xrandr set up to give VGA output (1920+1024)x(max(1080,768)).
14:35 Zeno`           I don't see 1920x1080 there
14:35 efrahim         Zeno`: However, running minetest in fullscreen with, say, 1024x768 disables what I have setup with xrandr (in the sense that my desktop is no longer 2944 pixels wide) and still I have the same problem.
14:36 Zeno`           so xrandr (just type that) shows 1920x1080?
14:37 Zeno`           xrandr | grep +     will probably show your desktop resolution
14:38 Zeno`           it might be a driver issue and/or xorg setup
14:39 efrahim         Zeno`: Yes and no. It shows for my eDPI output 1920x1080 (primary) and for my VGA1 output 1024x768. (xrandr that is)
14:39 Zeno`           odd
14:39 efrahim         Zeno`: Well, I would guess that it is some incompatability feature between Irrlicht and xrandr... maybe?
14:39 Zeno`           irrlicht thinks you're using 1024x768
14:40 Zeno`           are you using multiple monitors?
14:41 efrahim         Zeno`: Yes I am. I have a projector plugged in. And yes, It seems as Irrlicht ignores that eDPI is set to be primary and uses my VGA as primary, since the available modes for VGA are the same as I get from "minetest --videomodes"
14:41 Zeno`           yeah
14:41 Zeno`           I don't know what to suggest
14:42 Zeno`           but if VGA is your primary then of course that's what irrlicht will use to probe video modes
14:42 efrahim         Ok... that I can understand. Irrlicht have some problems with that, fine, but what I do not get is why I cannot start the game in windowed mode (fullscreen = false)
14:43 efrahim         Zeno`: Yes, but it is not. xrandr have eDPI (laptop monitor) as primary. Irrlicht should be asking xrandr for the primary device but it is not (I suppose)
14:43 Zeno`           you should be able to if you set screenW and screenH to (or whatever they're called) to 1024 and 768
14:44 Zeno`           or something less than that
14:45 efrahim         Zeno`: That is the thing, that does not work. Whenever I set "fullscreen = false" with any screen[WH] values the window only pops up for an instance and then vanishes. Irrlicht says nothing about what went wrong.
14:46 efrahim         Zeno`: Can one tell irrlicht to be more verbose? Where is this log that irrlicht talks about? (I get output, no errors nor warnings, from Irrlicht starting with "Irrlicht log: ...")
14:48 Zeno`           well, maybe and maybe not.   Add debug_log_level = 4  to minetest.conf and see if there is anything useful in debug.txt
14:50 Zeno`           what version of opengl does irrlicht say it's using?
14:51 efrahim         That output seems to be the same as running "minetest --trace", and does not give any output with any errors nor warnings (except the errors that says that main_menu audio files are missing, compiling with -sounds gets rids of these errors, but the same problem is there)
14:51 Zeno`           glxinfo | grep version   is minetest/irrlicht says nothing
14:51 Zeno`           s/is/of
14:51 Zeno`           if
14:54 efrahim         Zeno`: glx version 1.4 (do you want the whole input of that command? I have a optimus nvidia card so the output of that command is different for running on either card, however the problem with minetest is the same on both cards)
14:54 Zeno`           what nvidia driver?
14:54 Zeno`           maybe it's a noveau driver problem, I really don't know
14:55 efrahim         Zeno`: It is nvidia's driver (346.47), not noveau.
14:55 Zeno`           I'm out of ideas then :(
14:58 efrahim         Zeno`: Alright. Thanks for helping me trying to debug it anyhow. Since you helped me narrow down the fullscreen thing to be because of my external monitor I have a new direction to search in. Thanks for the help!
15:03 efrahim         Zeno`: And... that could probably be the solution -- just unplug my projector and make xrandr not give VGA output and it might work -- however, because of optirun if I change in xrandr now optirun will drop out and I will only be able to get my nvidia card online after a reboot. So, a reboot before and after everytime I play minetest... nah...
15:42 xenkey          http://a.pomf.se/ewphlt.png
15:45 xenkey          Voxel game furnaces, helping noobs understand parallel processing since 1999
15:52 exio4           hi people
15:53 VanessaE        hi
15:54 xenkey          http://a.pomf.se/beabdj.png what do i do with this?
15:54 VanessaE        *pokes Zeno`*
15:54 VanessaE        ask him :)
15:56 exio4           how is everything going? <3
15:59 VanessaE        Jordach: fix yer server
15:59 VanessaE        exio4: it does.
15:59 VanessaE        goes*
16:06 Jordach         u wot m8
16:07 VanessaE        Jordach: check your logs, your server did an unscheduled restart.
16:07 VanessaE        (JD-Pub that is)
16:08 xenkey          Jordach: T's true
16:08 xenkey          I was just moving iron lumps
16:08 xenkey          then it glitched back and i was like "fite me"
16:08 xenkey          it lost and won
16:09 VanessaE        [04-04 12:11] <JD-Pub> <frogle6> pink cave and red crash server if you dont know what your doing
16:09 xenkey          ...
16:09 xenkey          lol
16:09 VanessaE        (whatever the hell THAT means :P )
16:10 Jordach         out of memory
16:11 xenkey          damn, how much memory it got?
16:12 VanessaE        eep
16:20 xenkey          Jordach: I think i did good http://a.pomf.se/dfduct.png
16:24 xenkey          Jordach: It crashed
16:25 xenkey          again
16:27 ekem            so would i be mistaken in saying any climbable object also has to be walkable=false?
16:28 xenkey          http://a.pomf.se/ghzbpd.png rude
16:30 Wayward_Tab     ekem, you would not
16:31 ekem            Wayward_One: any suggestion on making a block climbable?
16:31 ekem            maybe attach 4 nodes to the sides which are climbable?
16:32 ekem            on recipe add?
16:34 Wayward_Tab     The way I do it is add walkable = false and climbable = true in the node.lua
16:34 ekem            but then you can walk inside the block
16:35 ekem            the person i am helping is hoping to avoid that behavior
16:35 Wayward_Tab     Yeah, I haven't been able to find a way around that yet :/
16:35 ekem            if we come up with one, ill pass it on
16:36 Wayward_Tab     Ok, thanks
16:36 ekem            he thinks he has a way to script the new node creation on recipe add, so ill believe him
16:36 Wayward_Tab     Hmm, that sounds interesting
16:37 ekem            should just be a procedure to identify faces not top and bottom and place_node()
16:37 ekem            i would think
16:41 Wayward_Tab     Sounds about right
16:44 ekem            just need to make a routine for breaking the parent node
16:45 xenkey          best ip ^
16:49 VanessaE        grog!
16:49 thefamilygrog66 hey V, what's happening?
16:49 VanessaE        oh nothing much actually :)
16:50 thefamilygrog66 hey, are you familiar with kaeza's firearms mod?
16:50 VanessaE        only superficially
16:50 VanessaE        never actually used it
16:51 thefamilygrog66 ah, okay. It doesn't seem to be working with the mobs mod I have installed, and I'm not sure why...
16:52 thefamilygrog66 any new servers on the go?
16:53 VanessaE        there are tons of servers, but which ones are "new", I'm not sure
16:53 VanessaE        play on mine :)
16:53 thefamilygrog66 I mean, do you have any new ones happening?
16:53 thefamilygrog66 Haha
16:54 VanessaE        oh heh
16:54 VanessaE        no, just the same old 8 servers as always :D
16:55 thefamilygrog66 I started a new one a few months ago, more of a survival horror dealio
16:55 VanessaE        heh
16:55 VanessaE        hey, it's good you showed up,
16:55 VanessaE        someone was asking in the homedecor thread about the sofas in the lrfurn mod,
16:56 thefamilygrog66 oh yeah?
16:56 VanessaE        and I was *just* about to add them to the turn-into-meshnodes TODO list
16:56 VanessaE        (three nodes becomes one, with proper UV-mapping to boot)
16:56 thefamilygrog66 oh cool
16:57 thefamilygrog66 I haven't learned meshnodes yet
16:57 VanessaE        https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/issues/198
16:57 VanessaE        they're easy to make once you learn to use Blender
16:57 thefamilygrog66 yeah, still trying to wrap my mind around blender, haha
16:57 thefamilygrog66 it would be nice to be able to make my own meshes for mobs though
16:57 VanessaE        same thing.
16:58 VanessaE        :)
16:58 thefamilygrog66 I end up recycling the player mesh for most of them, since there is such a abundance of minecraft skins out there.
16:59 VanessaE        but mesh nodes are super easy - drawtype = "mesh", mesh = "foo.obj", tiles = { "foo.png", "bar.png", ... }   (you can use up to 6 materials in the mesh, and you specify their textures in the tiles={} field)
16:59 thefamilygrog66 "Hey, I need a Jason from Friday the XIII mob. I'll just google a minecraft skin for it."
16:59 VanessaE        and the rest of the node def after that ^^^^^ is just the usual stuff like selection and collision boxes, paramtype, etc.
16:59 Halamix2        mt-calinou, players
17:00 VanessaE        Halamix2: I don't think that server is on this channel.
17:00 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, I'm sure I can figure it out - it's the blender learning curve I gotta deal with.
17:00 Halamix2        (sorry, irc automatically switches channel)
17:01 thefamilygrog66 I think I have the bloodiest server in minetest now, anyway. :D
17:01 VanessaE        thefamilygrog66: anyways, I'm gonna convert those sofas to meshes soon-ish.  you'll want to watch homedecor's commit log and pull from there periodically, copy your mod out again once I do :)
17:01 thefamilygrog66 cool thanks
17:01 VanessaE        yw :)
17:03 thefamilygrog66 have you heard of a console system called ouya?
17:03 VanessaE        sounds familiar but I've never seen any detailed info or pictures
17:05 thefamilygrog66 it runs a version of android, and has a number of different FOSS you can install. Anyway there's a minetest client for it. I had some players awhile back, who were completely silent, and it turns out it's because they couldn't chat while using this system
17:06 thefamilygrog66 One of them wrote me on the forums, asking for some basic signs with which to communicate with other players, so I wrote a sign mod with preset text - you can select which sign and then send its message to everyone.
17:12 YvesLevier      VanessaE: btw thx VanessaE
17:13 YvesLevier      Hi.  Is that true that we cant manage rail junctions with mesecon?
17:14 YvesLevier      Is that eenglish?
17:17 YvesLevier      Also im looking for a "guichet automatique" (automatic bank service in a box (sorry i donno how to tell this in english)
17:18 YvesLevier      Some1 know if it exist in minetest?  (Using VanessaE textures)
17:20 VanessaE        YvesLevier: actually you can manage them with mesecons, after a fashion...using sticky pistons to move rails in and out of a line
17:20 VanessaE        to force a cart to go one way or another
17:20 VanessaE        and there are indeed mods for banking systems - you're looking for some kind of currency or trading mod.  there are a few like that
17:21 YvesLevier      VanessaE: Cute enough.  Thx
17:22 YvesLevier      VanessaE: About automatic cash distributors..  I only need the draw.  No money on my server!
17:23 VanessaE        the draw?
17:24 YvesLevier      i mean they dont have to work
17:24 VanessaE        ah
17:24 VanessaE        OH
17:24 VanessaE        you want a fake ATM
17:24 VanessaE        I didn't take your words literally the first time
17:25 hmmmm           git version detection is so broken
17:25 VanessaE        I don't know of any mod that provides a node that looks like an ATM (working or not)...
17:26 hmmmm           could we leave the git hash separate from the version number please???
17:26 VanessaE        hmmmm: yep.  as of 6d61375 it still shows 0.4.11
17:26 hmmmm           aaaaaaaaaaaand  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lfreetype
17:26 hmmmm           fantastic
17:26 VanessaE        nice :P
17:26 YvesLevier      This is politic.  Our village lost our bank.  I can send you a photograph of what im seeking?
17:27 VanessaE        YvesLevier: sure
17:27 YvesLevier      VanessaE: :)
17:27 VanessaE        but I won't be the one to make it right now
17:27 Wayward_One     the rack server from the computers mod in dreambuilder may serve as a good stand-in, maybe with a few tweaks
17:27 VanessaE        you want this:  http://www.3dmodelfree.com/imguploads/Image/0905/models_z/0727/8.jpg
17:28 VanessaE        or something like it
17:28 VanessaE        Wayward_One: interesting suggestion, I hadn't thought of that
17:28 VanessaE        wait, I'll do you one better:
17:29 VanessaE        the stereo from homedecor plus the "shefriend soo" computer from the computers mod therein
17:29 Wayward_One     ah, good idea as well
17:31 VanessaE        though in HDX that won't look too convincing.
17:31 hmmmm           wth
17:32 hmmmm           libfreetype.so
17:32 hmmmm           is in /usr/local/lib
17:32 hmmmm           whaddya mean cannot find -lfreetype
17:32 VanessaE        hmmmm: where is minetest going?
17:32 hmmmm           down the drain at this rate
17:32 VanessaE        ...
17:32 VanessaE        your $PREFIX I mean
17:33 hmmmm           I don't have a prefix
17:33 hmmmm           there's something deeply wrong in any case
17:33 VanessaE        so then probably /usr/local also...  just a guess (minetest gets stupid if you install it to one place but certain components are installed elsewhere, like luasocket)
17:35 VanessaE        hmmmm: I'd be more inclined to check the so-obvious-it-shouldn't-be-needed stuff first, like /etc/ld.so.conf
17:37 Zytum           Krock: Are you backuping your server?
17:38 Krock           Zytum, I was away yesterday and today. Server will be mach up tomorrow
17:38 Krock           *back
17:38 Zytum           ok,
17:41 ekem            can you just do a bash script to zip the world files?
17:42 Krock           I 7z them
17:45 hmmmm           ahh okay
17:46 hmmmm           I'm pretty sure the linker would not be happy with "-L/usr/local/lib-lfreetype"
17:46 VanessaE        probably not. :P
17:46 hmmmm           why does it not replace ";" with " "
17:46 hmmmm           does it work on a regex or something instead?
17:46 hmmmm           why does everything need to use regex?  those are so prone to problems
17:47 hmmmm           it simply omitted the ;
17:47 VanessaE        https://xkcd.com/208/ ~~ https://xkcd.com/1171/
17:47 VanessaE        one of those seems relevant ;)
17:49 hmmmm           okay I'm clueless
17:49 hmmmm           according to cmake's website, it doesn't expect a regex
17:50 hmmmm           here's FREETYPE_LDFLAGS:  -- >> -L/usr/local/lib;-lfreetype
17:50 hmmmm           here's FREETYPE_LDFLAGS_STR:  -- >> -L/usr/local/lib-lfreetype
17:52 VanessaE        maybe an escaped space?
17:52 VanessaE        -L/usr/local/lib\ -lfreetype
17:53 hmmmm           =]
17:53 hmmmm           okay I figured it out
17:53 xenkey          Hey let's rewrite Minetest in ASM, C++ is too slow.
17:53 hmmmm           variable type confusion
17:53 hmmmm           on another note, how can people possibly say that "freetype detection worked fiiine!"
17:54 VanessaE        hmmmm: *bsd.  no one *ever* uses that ;)
17:54 hmmmm           this doesn't work on Linux either
17:55 hmmmm           I don't see how it could
17:55 hmmmm           ${FREETYPE_LDFLAGS} is a list variable
17:55 VanessaE        eh?
17:55 hmmmm           when it's represented AS A STRING, each list element gets separated by ;
17:55 VanessaE        freetype detects fine for me, always has
17:55 VanessaE        of course, I just use what came from my distro's package repo
17:55 hmmmm           but what that turd of code does is tries to replace using the list as input
17:56 hmmmm           so you need to stringify the list first by passing "${FREETYPE_LDFLAGS}"
17:59 VanessaE        stuff like that ^^^ is why I don't code for modern projects.
17:59 VanessaE        whatever happened to the notion of keeping things simple?
18:01 orbea           is there a way to change the view distance without a numpad?
18:03 VanessaE        + and - on the top keyboard row.
18:03 VanessaE        they change the minimum view distance
18:03 VanessaE        which effectively forces your view range in most situations
18:05 orbea           oh, somehow thought only the numpad worked, but I gues - does too, but not = or +
18:05 orbea           nvm
18:06 orbea           only didn't want to work for that one moment
18:06 orbea           thanks
18:07 VanessaE        note that there's a glitch, some other combo of keys can cause + to quit working
18:07 VanessaE        but I can't remember now which combination that was.  think it involves shift, though
18:08 VanessaE        (you can just exit your client and restart it to fix)
18:08 orbea           it tends to fix itself too, just had someone else experience the same :Shrug:
18:09 orbea           my friend says that pressing t for the chat window and then enter gets it unstuck :shrug:
18:31 hmmmm           found the problem
18:31 hmmmm           "-Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib"
18:31 hmmmm           what the hell?
18:31 hmmmm           where does this come from
18:35 rubenwardy      Hi all!
18:35 VanessaE        hey ruben
18:42 est31           hi
18:46 VanessaE        bbl
18:56 * xenkey        pokes Jordach.
19:01 est31           ATTENTION ATTENTION, the user formerly known by their ip 151.228.208.35 has changed to 151.228.211.30.
19:01 est31           (at least I have strong indications that point there)
19:01 est31           you should xban that ip too if you have banned the original ip
19:07 herny           ok est31 i seem to have found out how to get on irc
19:08 herny           is it working or what
19:08 est31           great
19:08 est31           now find a minecraft skin you want to have
19:09 est31           on the internet
19:09 est31           and send me the link with irc
19:09 herny           ok where can i find them?
19:09 herny           skins that is?
19:10 est31           here is a site for example: http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/
19:10 ElectronLibre   est31, you were talking about KittenHelper's new IP, isn't it?
19:11 est31           the person has many ips ElectronLibre
19:11 est31           ummm nicks
19:11 est31           ip stayed constant
19:11 ElectronLibre   Yes, but this one was apparently her first one.
19:12 est31           on my server the person had the nicks besfort_ and David123_
19:12 est31           when did KittenHelper use that nick?
19:12 ElectronLibre   So it's the person that spent her time using other persons' nicknames.
19:12 est31           yes
19:12 est31           I had first contact with them on 2015-02-27
19:13 ElectronLibre   If it is KittenHelper, then it's just what she does : make people think she is someone else using their nicks, and make these people do things for her, or simply flood their channels or servers to get someone's nick banned.
19:14 ElectronLibre   KittenHelper got banned from ShadowNinja server by Enke in the early January if I remember correctly, I heard of her a few days, then nothing, and she appears often since the end of February.
19:14 est31           ok
19:14 est31           whatever that person managed to enter my server again with the new ip
19:15 est31           just wanted to share that fact
19:15 est31           thanks for informing
19:16 ElectronLibre   You're welcome. I warned people on Inchra today, as I recognized her coming back with a slightly different ident (so she could pass through bans)
19:20 ElectronLibre   est31: If you want to know she also used other people nicknames on the forums, and here on freenode. She tries absolutly everywhere to make people have troubles. (great I just found in my history the logs from IRC \o/)
19:21 est31           has sfan5 already extended the ban to the new ip?
19:21 sfan5           no
19:22 sfan5           and i won't
19:22 sfan5           they haven't caused any new trouble yet
19:22 ElectronLibre   Here, no.
19:22 sfan5           it would be a lot of work to change bans for every person that has ever caused trouble
19:23 ElectronLibre   On Inchranet the only reports I got where from MinetestForFun's channels, and nanepiwo's one, so only 3. (she couldn't reach #minetest because the whole skybroadband ISP was banned)
19:24 ElectronLibre   There is no need to re-ban her here for the moment, just to be careful, especially servers' admins.
19:24 est31           I'm not sure, is this the person? https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=13367
19:26 ElectronLibre   I don't know. Her IP was located in UK, she looked like a kid, and she used DarkRoses as a nickname, so maybe yes, and maybe no. Without a real IP or an IRC mask I can't be sure..
19:29 est31           also the in-game nicks are both wrong
19:29 est31           all of them
19:29 est31           and the github nick doesn't match either
19:30 est31           herny, have you found a skin yet?
19:30 ElectronLibre   So it's either a troll, or her.
19:30 herny           yes, how do i get the link?
19:31 ElectronLibre   I just saw she set Xanadu as one of her nicks O_o
19:31 est31           if you are on that website, a name is enough
19:31 herny           it is Oliver_MV on that site
19:32 est31           ok, you'll get it
19:32 herny           thanks est :)
19:37 est31           herny, when you log in now, it should work
19:40 herny           thanks
19:50 The_Ghost_Man   Hey guys, how is the minetest password exchange from client to server handled?
19:51 est31           in the worst way imaginable
19:51 est31           ok, second worst way
19:51 The_Ghost_Man   What exactly does that mean LOL
19:53 ElectronLibre   It means that it could be better but at least it's not sent plain and unencrypted through the network x)
19:53 est31           its sent semi plain
19:53 The_Ghost_Man   So essentially, it's sent plain and unencrypted for those who know what they're doing?
19:53 est31           everybody who has network access to one login, can then login as you as often as you want
19:54 est31           but they wont get the password itself without a brute force
19:54 The_Ghost_Man   So it's an Sha hash which is essentially just sending the password itself?
19:54 est31           yes
19:55 est31           md5 I think
19:55 est31           but not sure
19:55 est31           no its sha1
19:55 The_Ghost_Man   I'd be better proxying my connection through ssh then.
19:55 est31           it is a known issue to core devs
19:56 est31           note that then your performance may suck, as ssh is tcp
19:56 The_Ghost_Man   Noted
21:12 hmmmm           cmake is good in theory but
21:12 hmmmm           i would like if it had more structure to it
21:13 hmmmm           effectively it has the same issue as having an application with lots of global variables, except you can't even see what's declared and what's not
22:16 acspike[pi]     This is what minetest says when it starts up on my rpi http://dpaste.com/0JS7QD3
22:17 acspike[pi]     yesterday I thought it was a software renderer, but it is a software rasterizer
22:17 xenkey          Cool story
22:18 acspike[pi]     is there anything in this paste that someone in the know would suggest I change to make it faster?