Time Nick Message 00:00 est31 Sokomine, you online? 00:11 Soni does minetest work on BSD? 00:11 est31 I think so 00:11 Soni ok 00:11 Soni osx is BSD right? 00:14 VanessaE it is BSD-based 00:14 VanessaE but it isn't "BSD" as such 00:14 Soni ok 00:14 Soni shove LuaJIT and Lua 5.3 into the same minetest 00:15 VanessaE just about as much as Android is Linux-based (kernel) but it isn't Linux, as such 00:15 est31 ?? 00:15 est31 It is linux 00:15 est31 but it isnt Gnu/Linux 00:15 Soni (I mean, I can do it, why can't you?) 00:15 VanessaE Minetest uses lua 5.1 and luajit is not quite 5.2 anyway 00:15 est31 or Gnu+Linux as RMS calls it now 00:15 Soni https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1277#issuecomment-76859912 00:15 VanessaE est31: well, not really. I mean, it violates just about every convention of Linux there is :P 00:15 est31 VanessaE, why 00:15 Soni VanessaE, the idea is to add a "lua-version" tag to stuff 00:16 Soni that'd be used to select LuaJIT vs Lua 5.3 00:16 VanessaE est31: directory tree layouts, no shell by default, no multiuser (in the usual sense)... 00:17 VanessaE Soni: as a general rule, we don't want something that will fragment the modding community 00:17 VanessaE it has to be all one version-equivalent 00:18 VanessaE an upgrade to 5.2 is probably doable as long as there are suitable shims to handle stuff luajit doesn't know about 00:18 crazyR has anyone used the avgcolor.py script for the C++ mapper?? 00:18 est31 android isn't the only distro thats not doing traditional directory tree. no shell is because you dont have a keyboard for touch devices. Android is multiuser. Its just disabled for phones. 00:18 VanessaE crazyR: I tried it once. I don't recall it being particularly hard to use but I don't remember how to use it now 00:18 Soni VanessaE, ok so like 00:18 VanessaE est31: disabled on tablets too 00:18 Soni why don't you just shove the 2 together somehow? 00:18 VanessaE at least on older Android versions it was 00:19 est31 yes 00:19 VanessaE Soni: you can't just "shove" them together. 00:19 est31 VanessaE, newest android has multiuser 00:19 Soni VanessaE, it's called dlmopen 00:19 Soni might be a pain to sync stuff between them but w/e 00:19 crazyR VanessaE:ive got it running, but the only thing it keep printing out to shell is warning: cant find average color. seems to be taking along time too lol 00:19 crazyR just wanting to find out if thats normal 00:20 VanessaE crazyR: I'd say that's not normal ;) 00:20 est31 VanessaE, introduced by 4.2 00:20 VanessaE but I may be wrong 00:20 crazyR lol cheers 00:20 VanessaE est31: right, but the linux kernel is multiuser already, has been since...forever 00:20 VanessaE another convention that android broke for no good reason 00:20 est31 also android always did multiuser 00:21 est31 it used multiuser for sandboxing 00:21 VanessaE in any case, it's linux-based, but it's not Linux. :) 00:21 est31 every app its own multiuser 00:21 est31 user* 00:21 VanessaE it's close enough I guess, but it ain't no Debian :) 00:22 est31 that principle always existed on servers, and it was quite bad to break it on traditional gnu/linux desktop 00:23 est31 or perhaps servers didnt have it always, but giving services on a server their own user is best practice now 00:23 est31 and giving applications their own user is becoming practice too 00:24 est31 per-application sandboxing just isn't possible with X11 00:24 * est31 looks forward for wayland 00:25 est31 but yes VanessaE its no Debian :). But Debian is also a bit more than just the kernel 00:29 Chanku Hey 00:31 VanessaE hi 00:46 Chanku Um...how do I install the latest version of minetest on debian? 00:46 est31 VanessaE, you know whether Sokomine maintains their mods? 00:46 est31 at least the markers mod 00:46 est31 because you have an open PR, from Nov 30 00:47 VanessaE yes, she does 00:47 VanessaE but she has to be poked from time to time also 00:47 est31 don't like too verbose logging 00:48 est31 every time sb opens a marker formspec (or admin stone), an entry in the log is generated. 3 lines 00:48 est31 and it isn't even informative of any kind 00:48 est31 its just some debug stuff. 00:48 VanessaE it was probably just exactly that 00:49 VanessaE debug stuff that was never removed 00:49 est31 either it should be removed or made optional with default off 00:51 VanessaE I'd say remove it entirely (only a change in ownership need be logged) 01:46 est31 VanessaE, could you update the areas mod on your servers? 01:46 VanessaE sure 01:47 est31 great, patch from me landed there yesterday, and as it didn't autoupdate, I asked :) 01:49 VanessaE ok, it's staged. 02:34 Chanku Hey 02:34 _schism_ question. other than the wiki is there an idiots guide to minetest? 02:36 Chanku How can I install the latest minetest package (which would be 0.4.10) on debian? 02:42 est31 Chanku, latest minetest package is 0.4.12 02:43 Chanku Ik 02:43 est31 or, better, latest minetest is 0.4.12, and latest package is 0.4.11, sadly 02:44 Chanku However The latest version I can find on Debian, is 0.4.10 02:44 est31 yes because debian is in a freeze currently, and their packagers are a bit slow. 02:44 est31 they are informed though 02:44 est31 and experimental also has a 0.4.11 package I think 02:45 Chanku Ah 02:45 Chanku I was looking at sid. 02:45 est31 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778853 02:47 Chanku So how would I get the package from experimental? 02:48 luizrpgluiz hi all 02:49 est31 Chanku, easiest is you install the ppa 02:49 est31 https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable 02:50 Chanku isn't ppa for ubuntu? 02:50 est31 ubuntu == debian in this case 02:51 VanessaE a PPA is just the ubuntu term for someone's personal apt repo, that's all 02:51 VanessaE it's still apt and deb packages 02:56 est31 and also it doesnt depend on ubuntu stuff 02:56 est31 so if you install it on debian, your computer won't explode :D 02:58 VanessaE usually, worst that will happen is that apt will warn you when a package (whether it's minetest or some other PPA/apt repo) can't be installed due to unsatisfied dependencies. 03:59 Sokomine est31: yes? what's up? 04:00 est31 Sokomine, see my issue for your markers mod on github 04:01 est31 Sokomine, see now, sorry haven't created ut 04:01 est31 it* 04:01 Sokomine hmm. exiting formspecs? 04:01 Sokomine perhaps an issue with the global variable handling? 04:01 est31 dunno 04:02 est31 but doesnt appear with other mods 04:02 est31 only yours 04:03 est31 whats printed is like { 04:03 est31 quit = "true" 04:03 est31 } 04:03 Sokomine ah 04:05 Sokomine any more information? something right before/after that? 04:08 est31 Sokomine, no nothing 04:08 est31 but, there is other output too 04:08 est31 e.g. when you press ok buttons the output is like { 04:08 est31 quit = "true", 04:08 est31 abort = "OK" 04:08 est31 } 04:09 est31 pressing esc only has the quit line 04:09 est31 and when you exit a marker it also has a info = "This marker\ 04:09 est31 can only be used by\ 04:09 est31 aliwer9696, who\ 04:09 est31 placed the markers.", 04:10 Sokomine ok. i'm checking 04:30 Sokomine est31: are you running on a higher debug log level? 04:35 Sokomine est31: i can't reproduce it locally 04:39 est31 there are log levels? 04:40 est31 it doesnt have any log level at all btw 04:40 est31 its just bare print() - style 04:42 Sokomine there are log levels, yes. hmm 04:42 Sokomine are you sure you do have the most current version? 04:42 Sokomine i'll need to fix something there anyway and will upload a new version soon (wiithin the hour) 04:42 est31 there is no ACTION[ServerThread]: before 04:42 est31 you should look at your PR's too 04:43 est31 Sokomine, I'm running version of Tue Jan 28 00:56:15 2014 04:43 est31 commit 2c9fe6cb869b1d7e753e734717b44b9efb4dce84 04:50 Sokomine of markers or of mt? 04:50 est31 markers are latest version, mt is at 0.4.12 04:50 est31 areas are current HEAD too 04:56 est31 ok, thats weird, I can't reproduce it in my local build too 05:02 est31 wow 05:02 est31 its not your mod, its the currency mod causing this 05:02 * est31 summons VanessaE 05:03 est31 Still Sokomine could you consider to review the pull requests? 05:03 Sokomine strange 05:10 est31 VanessaE, see my pull to your currency repo 05:10 est31 https://github.com/VanessaE/currency/pull/2 07:09 fireglow hi est31, hi Sokomine :) 07:13 est31 hi fireglow 07:29 stormchaser3000 i just found a german ad on the general discussion section 07:29 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11378 07:30 stormchaser3000 for shoes 07:32 stormchaser3000 and here is some more spam 07:32 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11376 07:34 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11377 07:35 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11375 07:37 stormchaser3000 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1137 07:38 Menche oh my, spams 07:39 * Menche wonders if stormchaser3000 still has something against #voxelands 07:39 est31 stormchaser3000, you might have copied a wrong url for the last topic 07:39 stormchaser3000 yeah oops 07:41 stormchaser3000 Menche: i would assume so. 07:41 Menche wut? 07:42 stormchaser3000 well voxelands is a lot harder to customize than minetest 07:43 stormchaser3000 or freeminer 07:43 stormchaser3000 at least sometimes 07:44 * stormchaser3000 looks at the latest voxelands source code 07:44 Menche can always make suggestions, we're just trying to be a game rather than a be-anything engine :) 07:45 est31 if it is easier to customize, then the main reason for the fork is gone 07:45 Menche ? 07:45 est31 Menche, http://voxelands.com/about.html 07:46 est31 especially the text around the c55 quote 07:46 Menche I see nothing about ease of customization being a focus 07:47 est31 its quite the opposite 07:47 Menche ok... 07:48 est31 the fact that minetest became moddable was the main reason because they forked off 07:48 est31 dunno why 07:48 Menche not really 07:48 stormchaser3000 est31: the minetest mossing api is complete crpa 07:48 stormchaser3000 modding* 07:48 stormchaser3000 and changes a lot 07:49 stormchaser3000 and the engine code is messy as crap 07:49 Menche it was forked because the leader (darkrose) didn't like how *everything* had become part of modding 07:49 Menche mainly 07:49 est31 so, thats exactly what I said 07:49 Menche no, it isn't 07:50 Menche she's okay with moddability; she just doesn't want to kick out all of the game content 07:50 Menche voxelands is it's own game, first and foremost. darkrose is not particularly against adding the capability to extend that game. 07:51 est31 its not kicked out its abstracted, to enable freedom 07:53 est31 ah thats where darkrose disappeared 07:53 est31 wondered why she is listed as minetest contributor 07:53 Menche the two projects have different focuses. minetest focuses on being an engine on which any game can be built; voxelands focuses on being a game. 07:54 Menche there's still plenty of her code in minetest. I believe much of the basic formspec and nodebox work is hers. 07:55 est31 dont saying she shouldnt be listed 07:58 * stormchaser3000 decides to try to lear c++ 07:58 stormchaser3000 learn* 08:00 est31 hi alket 08:02 alket hi est31 10:06 JamesTait Good morning all; happy "What If Cats and Dogs Had Opposable Thumbs?" Day! :-D 12:02 Salbei Hi 12:04 Salbei VanessaE: I have an other error on pipeworks :) 12:04 Salbei http://pastebin.com/2d79Kbiq 12:04 Salbei I use Protector Redo on my server. Maybe it make conflicts? 12:22 crazyR the mapper keeps throwing this error: "Exception: Failed to open Database: IO error: world/map.db/LOCK: No such file or directory" even when minetest is stopped and nothing has the db open... what could cause a leveldb database to remain locked even when not in use 12:31 mazal Is there a way to let flowers multiplay ? 12:31 mazal multiply even 13:17 luizrpgluiz hi all 13:18 alket hi 13:39 Azhbark hello guys :) 13:44 Azhbark i am new to minetest and have played around for some time :) but i have not seen any animals in the game.. is that right no animal in the game ? 13:49 mobiker Azhbark: It depends on which server you are connected. is a proper or shared server ? 13:49 Azhbark mobiker> it is in singleplayer 13:51 ElectronLibre With default minetest_game, there are no mobs, so no animals. 13:53 mobiker Azhbark: I believe that you will need to install a mod that has animals available 13:53 mobiker Azhbark: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=629 13:54 Azhbark yea i saw all the Mods and subgames, but did not know what to install 13:55 mobiker Azhbark: This may help you 13:55 mobiker Azhbark: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Installing_mods 13:57 Azhbark Thanks for the help ElectronLibre and mobiker... i will go do somw reading... thanks guys :) 13:57 Azhbark some* 14:56 luizrpgluiz static_spawnpoint no longer works 14:58 cd100 what is static_spawnpoint? 14:58 luizrpgluiz If this is set, players will always (re)spawn at the given position 14:58 cd100 thx 14:59 luizrpgluiz minetest.conf 15:06 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Send Player HP when setHP (or a setHP caller) is called instead of looping and testing the state change. 1364ff966 http://git.io/xoz8 (152015-03-03T16:06:04+01:00) 15:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Send Breath packet on event, don't check it at each AsyncRunStep 137e56637 http://git.io/xoym (152015-03-03T16:33:20+01:00) 16:07 luizrpgluiz codehero: hi 16:39 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Remove unused m_wielded_item_not_sent 13038d3a3 http://git.io/xKCu (152015-03-03T17:36:54+01:00) 17:04 ShadowNinja crazyR: The world dir or the LevelDB dir doesn't exist. 17:04 ShadowNinja crazyR: (or your backend is set incorrectly in world.mt) 17:29 btoohtpick What's the trick to run two minetestserver instance on same machine? 17:30 ElectronLibre Shell a : $./minetestserver --port 30000 etc... Shell b: $./minetestserver --port 30001 18:12 RobbieF Hello 18:12 Krock hi 18:14 RobbieF Thinking about featuring Minetest on http://www.category5.tv 18:15 Krock Aah.I hate those crying zombies. 18:15 Krock that's a site like http://shafou.com/ 18:15 RobbieF what's that? I don't have flash. 18:16 RobbieF No our site is a Tech TV network. 18:16 RobbieF LOL 18:16 RobbieF #category5 on here 18:16 Krock I know. jk 18:17 RobbieF :) 18:17 RobbieF Thought I'd pop into IRC since it's hard to tell who to reach out to for media relations... is there someone in development that would do an interview?... 18:18 Krock developement? #minetest-dev 18:19 Krock Hi Calinou 18:19 Calinou Krock, hi 18:19 Calinou I saw the news about Gitorious being shut down 18:20 Calinou thankfully, folks around here are starting another free Git hosting place 18:20 Calinou (GitLab is at least partially proprietary) 18:20 Calinou I'll have to move before June 1st 18:21 Krock first mediacrush then gitorious 18:21 RobbieF Thanks Krock 18:21 Krock and then GitLab? I don't know 18:21 Calinou GitLab seems more profitable 18:21 Krock sadly, there aren't many services with a future 18:21 Calinou there is GitHub… *insert Jordach troll face here* 18:22 Krock you just could use GitHub or ... SVN? 18:22 Calinou SVN is way worse than Git, and there is no big hosting other than SourceForge (which sucks too) 18:22 Krock open your own Git server :P 18:23 Calinou costs money 18:25 Krock playing minetest costs money. depends on the price of a kWh 18:25 Calinou yeah, but my connection is too slow to self-host. 18:25 Calinou if I had optic fiber, I would self-host a lot of things, I believe. 18:25 Calinou right now, the only option is to rent a VPS 18:26 Calinou one that will also let me host game servers will cost me about 10 €/month 18:26 Calinou that's 120 € per year :( 18:27 Krock at least they don't want a 13th monthly wage 18:39 Calinou https://notabug.org/ 18:39 Calinou check out this for now 18:41 Krock that's git. 18:41 Krock looks kinda new 18:43 exio4 Calinou: you can get a kimsufi dedi (or online.net) for like half of that 18:44 Calinou Krock, it uses Gogs 18:44 Calinou a Git service written in Go 18:44 exio4 lol Go 18:44 exio4 the joke programming language 18:44 marktraceur You say that like there's only one 18:45 marktraceur Or like Go is the best example 18:45 Krock looks like python and java mixed thogether 18:45 marktraceur But come on. Whitespace? Brainfuck? Befunge? 18:46 marktraceur Perligata? 18:46 marktraceur Actually Perligata is kind of awesome. 18:46 exio4 Krock: it's type system is even more limited Java's 18:46 exio4 "because it's simple" they said 18:47 marktraceur http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html/ 21:39 whtemple1959 hello room 21:39 ElectronLibre Hello. 21:39 shadowzone Hello 21:39 whtemple1959 miner_48er: I have come seeking your wisdom 21:40 Jordach everyone to the shelters 21:40 * shadowzone hides under a cat 21:40 shadowzone wait.. is this sfan5? 21:40 Jordach meow 21:41 * ElectronLibre try to make his place into the shelter. 21:41 ElectronLibre No shadowzone apparently you sat on Jordach's tail. 21:42 shadowzone XD 21:42 * Jordach looks at his kitten mod 21:43 * ElectronLibre remembers he must tell Jordach that we solved the overspawning problem on MinetestForFun's server about his kittens. 21:43 Jordach ElectronLibre, ooh 21:43 ElectronLibre Now they spawn correctly :). 21:49 Miner_48er whtemple1959 what is your question? 21:49 ElectronLibre He is gone. 21:50 Jordach people these days 21:50 Jordach impatient :P 21:50 shadowzone It's so cold outside, I actually saw a gangster pull his pants up. 21:50 ElectronLibre shadowzone, so it must be very cold. 21:50 Jordach is this the ghetto? 21:51 Jordach might start seeing tumbleweaves 21:51 shadowzone Jordach: go I hope not 21:51 shadowzone *god 21:51 Jordach shadowzone, two girls enter: one weaves 21:51 shadowzone o.O 22:58 livethetruth hello all