Time  Nick          Message
00:06 rickmcfarley  heh, OldCoder a Florida IP joined with a variation of your name
01:36 cheapie       est31: Hi.
01:40 est31         Hi cheapie
02:25 Drae          Hey
02:48 Miner_48er    I've run save_mod_profile but I've seen no results in the logs profiling and detailed_profiling = true
02:59 Enke          VanessaE: Is something up with inchra? I can't seem to connect at all.
02:59 VanessaE      irc.inchra.net
03:00 VanessaE      osiris is down
03:01 VanessaE      my server machine is down, more specifically.  hardware probs
03:02 VanessaE      so minetest instances, dac.com stuff, irc, etc etc... it'll be back soon though
03:03 Enke          Okay.
03:03 Enke          Just wonderin
03:23 OldCoder      rickmcfarley, I have no plans to visit Florida in the short term though this could change
03:24 OldCoder      Texas is more likely
03:24 OldCoder      What is more of an issue is that he or others will join IRC as 0ldcoder
03:24 OldCoder      Note the 0 as opposed to the O
03:25 VanessaE      easily solved - use nickserv to group that nick now while you're thinking about it.
03:41 rickmcfarley  Yeah Florida seems nice now. I'm in New Hampshire
03:47 MinetestBot   02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Biome API: Re-calculate biome at every surface in a mapchunk column 1314f7df9 http://git.io/Ap8E (152015-02-26T03:35:25Z)
04:45 VanessaE      oops
07:14 hmmmm         http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site
09:51 JamesTait     Good morning all; happy For Pete’s Sake Day! :-D
09:52 ElectronLibre It's just me or every days are <something> day? ._.
10:48 whtemple1959  hello room, I am looking for ver 4.12 for Linux but seem to be misdirected from the download page. can any one point me inthe right direction?
11:27 msantana      whtemple1959: which linux distribution do you use?
11:38 msantana      whtemple1959: anyway http://www.minetest.net/download#linux
11:41 whtemple1959  msantana: I use mint 17 and the links on those pages go to vers 4.10 not 4.12
11:55 msantana      whtemple1959: I understand, but do you really need the latest version?
11:56 ElectronLibre Having the latest version is important.
11:57 whtemple1959  msantana: I am exploring this game  and one of the mods requires vers 4.12 as a new guy to Liux I am having trouble reconciling why there is a win vers 4.12 but not a Linux vers 4.12. seems to me the OS community would support Linux first and win tertiary
11:57 ElectronLibre The devs themselves advise to upgrade quickly, especially because there will probably be a protocol break in the next release and servers needs to send special informations to masterserver (public servers) to avoid incompatibility with future clients.
11:58 ElectronLibre If there is no way you can get 0.4.12 binaries for you distribution... you have to compile it by yourself.
12:02 ElectronLibre Try this => http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest#Compiling_on_GNU.2FLinux
12:04 msantana      ElectronLibre: Thanks for your information. I didn't know that was so important to use the latest version.
12:04 whtemple1959  ElectronLibre: you will laugh and mumble many things but I have ratrely been successful at compliing anything so I try to stay away from that task. the question remains though why does the OpenSource community seem to be more interested in supporting windows rather than Linux?
12:06 ElectronLibre I think it's maybe because they compile more often and simply on Linux, it doesn't bother them. But on Windows, compiling is like hell, so the binaries are given on minetest.net .
12:07 msantana      whtemple1959: The packaging maintenance is a task supported by distributions not by minetest or other application
12:07 ElectronLibre But if you're bothered by compiling, there are scripts very well made to do this automatically.
12:08 ElectronLibre ^ Yes and there is also what msantana says.
12:08 whtemple1959  ElectronLibre: to be honest this is only the beginning of my many questions. but you statement bring up the basic issue of Linux "coders" and their arogance at not considering those of use who cannot programm but desire a better option than windows
12:09 whtemple1959  EL & Msantana: but then as an accountant I do tend to see the world in black and red
12:14 whtemple1959  msantana &EL I have to get ready to take my son to school I will be back later...I have so many questions
12:15 ElectronLibre Ok no problem, we are here to answer them as well as we can.
12:17 whtemple1959  EL: I will be back at 9am est
12:20 msantana      whtemple1959: see you later :)
13:32 JordachB      can't be bothered to log out my desktop
14:11 ipv6b         How many users should be able to run smoothly on a minetest server on an Ubuntu-server-edition 14.04 with 256MB of ram?(IPv6+IPv4 supported) [if tweaked correctly]
14:23 Jordach       ipv6b, ~5
14:23 Jordach       i've had 7 on 128mb
14:24 Jordach       but it crashes too often
15:53 zat           http://laughingsquid.com/an-ancient-babylonian-customer-service-complaint-inscribed-on-a-clay-tablet-around-1750-bc/
15:55 VanessaE      ElectronLibre: yes, every day is a "happy <something> day" with JamesTait. :)   He gets them from some website I think he said.  It's a fixture of this channel :)
15:55 VanessaE      good morning.
15:56 JamesTait     VanessaE! Hi!
15:56 VanessaE      hey James :)
16:05 JamesTait     VanessaE, ElectronLibre: daysoftheyear.com - although sometimes I come up with them myself, or use officially-recognised days too.
16:06 ElectronLibre Thanks for the link, it will be funny to discover these days x).
16:17 JamesTait     ElectronLibre, it's just a bit of harmless nonsense, really. :)  I stopped doing it for a while, but people said they missed it.
16:19 VanessaE      JamesTait: we do miss it :)
16:24 Neolink2      i have a client crash v0.4.11 and 0.4.12
16:24 VanessaE      got a crashdump or backtrace?
16:26 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1
16:26 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
16:26 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 2.0.5698
16:26 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: RADEON XPRESS 200M Series SW TCL x86/SSE2: ATI Technologies Inc.
16:26 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
16:26 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: GLSL version: 1.1
16:26 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Resizing window (800 600)
16:26 VanessaE      Neolink2: use a pastebin, like the bot said.
16:26 ElectronLibre Trying to paste the whole debug.txt file always get the bot angry at you :).
16:26 Neolink2      I/m sorry
16:27 Neolink2      2 last report is invalid
16:27 VanessaE      Neolink2: anyway, go to a pastebin and put the debug.txt there if it has crash messages in it.
16:27 VanessaE      then give us the link to it
16:28 Neolink2      I run the game, press any button and the game breaks.
16:29 Neolink2      whithout any reported
16:29 VanessaE      we still need the debug.txt on a pastebin
16:29 VanessaE      or the output from the terminal/console that the game launched when it started
16:30 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1
16:30 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
16:30 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 2.0.5698
16:30 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: RADEON XPRESS 200M Series SW TCL x86/SSE2: ATI Technologies Inc.
16:30 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
16:30 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: GLSL version: 1.1
16:30 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Resizing window (800 600)
16:30 Neolink2      that's all
16:30 ElectronLibre https://pastebin.ubuntu.com <= paste the last lines in that, you don't need to send the whole file, just the end.
16:31 ElectronLibre That's all? 7 lines?
16:31 Neolink2      yes
16:33 ElectronLibre Ok... ._. You're using Windows right?
16:33 Neolink2      yes
16:33 ElectronLibre Are you using 0.4.12 release?
16:33 Neolink2      v.0.4.9 and 0.4.10 work well.
16:34 ElectronLibre Yes but are these lines from 0.4.12?
16:35 Neolink2      yes
16:35 Neolink2      And it in 0.4.11
16:36 VanessaE      if you were running 0.4.12, there should have been a "mini crash dump" somewhere
16:36 ElectronLibre VanessaE: Please help me I have no idea about what happened to him ._.
16:36 VanessaE      either in youre debug.txt or in a separate file
16:37 VanessaE      open your debug.txt in a good text editor (something that can handle hundreds-of-megabyte files, just in case), and pastebin the last 100 lines
16:37 VanessaE      there's no way that there was only 7 lines written to it
16:38 VanessaE      your*
16:39 Neolink2      The whole file is composed of repetitive messages.
16:41 VanessaE      that's fine
16:41 VanessaE      just give us the last 100 lines
16:41 VanessaE      int he pastebin
16:45 Neolink2      where can i upload this file?
16:51 Neolink2      http://rusfolder.com/43079479   0,4.11
16:51 CaveJohnson   Neolink2: https://gist.github.com
16:51 CaveJohnson   oh sheesh please use gist... not that ;-;
16:51 Neolink2      http://rusfolder.com/43079481 0,4.12
16:51 CaveJohnson   hi Calinou ;)
16:52 CaveJohnson   *:)
16:53 Calinou       hi
16:53 VanessaE      Neolink2: please use an english pastebin.
16:53 VanessaE      not something that demands us to "download" the paste
16:54 CaveJohnson   yeah not really a pastebin at all, just a file sharing site
16:54 VanessaE      https://gist.github.com or pastebin.com or pastebin.ubuntu.com
16:56 Neolink2      https://gist.github.com/anonymous/05158c6aa78abfb4b239
16:56 ElectronLibre O_o
16:56 ElectronLibre Ok, so indeed, only seven lines.
16:57 VanessaE      Neolink2:  please look at the dump file it points to
16:57 VanessaE      is it in binary or text?
16:57 Neolink2      2 last lines turned out because of lack of memory.
16:57 VanessaE      it should be in the same directory as the debug.txt
16:58 VanessaE      lack of memory??
16:58 VanessaE      what subgame are you playing?
16:58 VanessaE      (minetest_game, dreambuilder, carbone, BFD, ...?)
16:58 Neolink2      C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12\bin\minetest.exe
16:59 Neolink2      i mean i have a little memory
16:59 VanessaE      that's the engine.  I meant the subgame i.e. what's in C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12\games
16:59 VanessaE      how much memory do you have?
17:01 Neolink2      500 Mb
17:01 VanessaE      Ok, try this:  open  C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12\minetest.conf  in notepad or so, go to the end of the file and add:  enable_mesh_cache = false   save the file and run the engine/game again.
17:02 Neolink2      i have not a mineyest.conf
17:02 VanessaE      find it.
17:02 VanessaE      well, no
17:02 Neolink2      only minetest.conf.example
17:02 VanessaE      it may not have been created.
17:02 VanessaE      make a new one.
17:02 VanessaE      create a new file,  C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12\minetest.conf
17:03 VanessaE      add that one option to it,  enable_mesh_cache = false
17:03 VanessaE      save the file
17:03 VanessaE      run the engine/game again
17:05 Neolink2      -------------
17:05 Neolink2      Separator
17:05 Neolink2      -------------
17:05 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1
17:05 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
17:05 Neolink2      Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 2.0.5698
17:05 Calinou       Windows XP is not supported, Neolink2
17:05 Neolink2      i don't belive u
17:07 ElectronLibre RIP XP.
17:07 Calinou       well, Microsoft says it is not supported since April 2014
17:08 VanessaE      officially, minetest supports it though
17:08 Neolink2      I from Russia
17:08 VanessaE      but Windows XP has been at end-of-life since last year
17:08 Neolink2      We only use pirated copies and never let them update
17:08 VanessaE      meanwhile, 512MB of RAM is insufficient.
17:08 VanessaE      so then switch to something other than Windows that you don't have to pirate.
17:09 VanessaE      we will not help you with your OS.
17:09 VanessaE      but we can try to help with Minetest maybe.
17:09 VanessaE      now about the configuration change I gave you, did it help at all?
17:09 Neolink2      No
17:09 VanessaE      still out of memory?
17:12 VanessaE      Neolink2: more timely answers are required.
17:12 VanessaE      Also which minetest build are you using?
17:12 VanessaE      there are four on the website.
17:12 VanessaE      http://minetest.net/download
17:12 Neolink2      Memory missing. After all, there is still file swap
17:13 Neolink2      I use recomended build
17:13 VanessaE      which is?
17:13 VanessaE      there are two "recommended" builds.
17:14 VanessaE      as for swap, that only works if no single program tries to allocate more memory than you have physical RAM.
17:14 rubenwardy    Linux might free up some more RAM#
17:15 Calinou       wrong, rubenwardy
17:15 Calinou       except if you use really lightweight distribution
17:15 Calinou       XP uses almost no RAM
17:15 rubenwardy    Yeah, I did mean that
17:15 rubenwardy    Really?
17:15 Calinou       yep
17:15 Calinou       it can function with 256 MB of RAM
17:15 rubenwardy    Impressive
17:15 Neolink2      andMSVC builds
17:16 Calinou       try that with Lubuntu or such
17:16 Neolink2      And this line on a lable
17:16 VanessaE      Neolink2: you tried all four of the builds listed there?
17:16 Neolink2      http://hostingkartinok.com/show-image.php?id=c19bb99f06b508476cfd57c2b15e8d10
17:17 VanessaE      that looks like a corrupted copy to me
17:17 Neolink2      I had tried 2 build i have x86
17:17 exio4         Calinou: I've used debian+kde3 with 196mb of ram, and debian+xfce with 256mb without (more than XP) problems here
17:17 VanessaE      it's no wonder it doesn't run
17:17 VanessaE      Neolink2: you got bigger problems
17:18 VanessaE      minetest only uses 60 or so megs at startup
17:18 VanessaE      if you can't even run the menu without corruption, there's something wrong with the copy you downloaded
17:18 VanessaE      you are using a pirated OS
17:18 VanessaE      sorry, Neolink2.  you're fucked.
17:19 rubenwardy    Get a new computer, basically.
17:19 Calinou       might be too old graphics card too
17:19 VanessaE      Calinou: too old to display a PNG image?
17:19 VanessaE      I doubt it
17:20 VanessaE      (besides, that would have thrown an irrlicht error at least)
17:20 VanessaE      (I mean when trying to create a directx visual)
17:20 rubenwardy    Maybe try software rendering? Would that make a difference?
17:21 VanessaE      rubenwardy: not in the main menu?
17:21 rubenwardy    The main menu still does 3D rendering
17:21 rubenwardy    Clouds
17:21 VanessaE      for the clouds yeah
17:21 VanessaE      but that doesn't explain the header image being corrupted
17:21 rubenwardy    True
17:29 Neolink2      well i'ii play on the 0.4.10
17:31 Krock         Neolink2, I use Windows XP aswell - no problems here
17:31 ElectronLibre (But are you using a pirated copy?)
17:32 VanessaE      Neolink2: 0.4.10 is obsolete, many servers very soon won't let you connect
17:32 Krock         ElectronLibre, I used WPAkill
17:32 VanessaE      three of mine for example
17:32 Neolink2      I from Russia
17:32 VanessaE      I don't care if you're from Cucamonga.
17:32 VanessaE      Pirating windows is stupid.
17:33 VanessaE      use a free OS, or pay for a proper one, or gtfo
17:33 Calinou       “pirating”
17:33 VanessaE      there's no excuse to pirate windows.
17:33 Calinou       Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)
17:33 Calinou       If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”
17:33 ElectronLibre There is no use to pirate windows.
17:33 Krock         holy text
17:33 Krock         Neolink2, are you using the newest video driver? What's the output in your debug.txt with a log level of 3 or 4?
17:34 Neolink2      Krock:  no
17:34 VanessaE      I don't even care about the copyright infringement as XP is abandonware now, but the fact that he chooses to pirate it instead of going with a good quality free OS is where I have the problem.
17:35 Neolink2      Kray: what is level 3...?
17:35 VanessaE      debug_log_level = 4
17:35 VanessaE      in minetest.conf
17:35 Krock         tab error - level 3 is #    0 = none, 1 = errors and debug, 2 = action, 3 = info, 4 = verbose.
17:36 Krock         level 4 vould bemore useful in this case
17:37 Neolink2      2
17:37 VanessaE      Calinou: also, the argument about piracy != copyright infringement is not useful here.  We all know thew two are not equivalent, but making that argument here and how just diverts from the discussion.
17:37 VanessaE      -w
17:46 VanessaE      ...which just died anyway.
18:07 ipv6b         I guess I'm not losing anything on buying that server space where I'll have 256MB of ram with 14.04 to run latest vanilla Minetests on...and if it doesn't work out I could use it for something different
18:31 VanessaE      ~seen PilzAdam
18:31 ShadowBot     VanessaE: I saw PilzAdam in #minetest 22 hours, 37 minutes, and 23 seconds ago saying "rubenwardy, ah, I see, google finally added that "share on IRC" feature"
18:31 VanessaE      ~tell PilzAdam "carts bug, http://pastebin.com/GpL6qJX5"
18:31 ShadowBot     VanessaE: O.K.
18:34 LazyJ         How does Minetest's cache handle nodes from different versions of the same mod from different servers, i.e. one server has an old version of the mod where the node uses nodeboxes and another server uses the newer version that uses mesh nodes? Is a new file created in the cache for each or is the existing file over written each time when joining the other servers?
18:39 farfadet46    hi (bonsoir)
18:40 VanessaE      hi.
18:41 farfadet46    there is no new ?
18:43 VanessaE      no new what?
18:43 farfadet46    sorry for minetest 0.5 ;)
18:44 VanessaE      LazyJ: the cache only keeps images and I think .obj etc models and yeah, it differentiates from one mod version to another by way of hashing the files
18:44 VanessaE      farfadet46: 0.5 is coming sometime or another soon, meanwhile 0.4.12 is out.
18:45 farfadet46    yep i aldready have the 0.4.12 ;)
18:45 farfadet46    it's nrz who as speak to me the future 0.5 out
18:46 farfadet46    (sorry for my bad English)
18:48 VanessaE      he's working on the network protocol but I have no idea of the timeline for it because he hasn't been around when I am lately.
18:48 farfadet46    ok no problem ;)
18:49 farfadet46    i'm a french teacher for children age 7-12 year old
18:49 farfadet46    and i think the exe in the bin folder isn't easy for him
18:50 VanessaE      when I was 12 I was already coding
18:50 farfadet46    have you an idea to make it easier ?
18:50 VanessaE      your kids are smarter than you think.  if you're a teacher, teach them.
18:51 VanessaE      the trick of course is breaking through their resistance to learning.  you know, "this is stupid!" "why do I have to do it THAT way" etc etc even when it isn't stupid.
18:51 VanessaE      they all think their tablets/phones are the pinnacle of computing.
18:52 farfadet46    yes you are right !
18:53 LazyJ         Ok, thanks, VanessaE ;)
18:53 farfadet46    in my contry ( poor french city ) the parent are allergic to computer :(
18:53 farfadet46    country*
18:54 VanessaE      farfadet46: it's the same in the US
18:54 VanessaE      parents are lazy when it comes to computers
18:54 farfadet46    yes and i try my best to the parent to clear her idea about the computer
18:54 VanessaE      (I recognize that people have limited time, but I also recognize when people are just fucking lazy about it)
18:55 farfadet46    but the media are not our friend about computer
18:55 VanessaE      the media aren't our friends about anything :)
18:55 farfadet46    Yes ;)
18:55 farfadet46    ok i need to go ...
18:56 farfadet46    bye and thank for your time :)
18:56 VanessaE      ok, see you later then.  good luck with your students
18:56 farfadet46    thanks
18:56 farfadet46    and you do nice mods ;) thanks for all that :)
19:56 farfadet46    hi
19:57 farfadet46    there is a version of minetest for raspberry pi ?
19:58 sfan5         you can compile minetest on the raspberry pi, it will be slow however
19:59 farfadet46    yep i understand :(
20:02 farfadet46    Do you know minecraftedu? does a minetest version?
20:04 farfadet46    i think Quest framework is a real good idea ! ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11265 )
20:13 farfadet46    but i can't use it :(
20:33 ripdisk       hey guys i'm trying to set up a server, i installed minetest with apt-get and stuff on debian, but i can't seem to find where it freakin' went for the life of me....could somebody help me with that, or maybe give me a direct link to a .tar i can wget and make myself
20:38 farfadet46    sorry i'm on windows :/
20:42 Miner_48er    ripdisk https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt
20:43 ripdisk       yeah see
20:44 ripdisk       i already read that a million times or i wouldn't have joined here
20:44 ripdisk       lol
20:44 ripdisk       so, i had to do apt-get as root
20:44 ripdisk       so there is none of those directories
20:44 ripdisk       not a single directory mentioned in any of your help files is contained on my system after instaliing it with apt
20:48 whtemple1959  hello room, I am looking for the address to the debian based repository for the server
20:52 Miner_48er    ripdisk whtemple1959 You could compile it form source https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L102
20:56 ripdisk       Miner_48er: why doesn't the url for the master.tar.gz work?
20:59 Miner_48er    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/archive/master.tar.gz
21:01 ripdisk       dude
21:01 ripdisk       is there a single tar that i can download that includes everything i need to compile in one place to run a server
21:02 ripdisk       just one
21:04 Miner_48er    ripdisk what's the problem? Have you read the compiling instructions?
21:07 ripdisk       yeah i guess i'm just retarded
21:07 ripdisk       i've compiled like thousands of things but somehow this is super super confusing
21:08 whtemple1959  Miner: it was bad enough that when I tried to install dpkg minetest... from the cl iI got dependency errors I have no desire to sufferthrought he confusion of compiling, but thank you for stepping up with some advice
21:10 Miner_48er    whtemple1959 did you install all of the dependencies in the readme?
21:11 ripdisk       uh
21:12 ripdisk       so now i need sqlite
21:12 ripdisk       eugh
21:12 ripdisk       can't i just make it use mysql
21:13 whtemple1959  Miner: I am sorry but the deb file I downloaded did not come with a redme. but on a side note if a person is going to the trouble to create a deb file why would they choose to leave out dependencies? that is sort of building a car and leaving out the transmission don't ya think?
21:14 Miner_48er    where did you download the deb file from?
21:16 ripdisk       yeah
21:16 ripdisk       i have no idea what's going on. i"Ve never touched sqllite
21:16 ripdisk       it's installed, but when i try to cmake it's just not working
21:18 LazyJ         I'm trying out this new F8 "cinematic view" but I can't figure out what is supposed to be different. What is it supposed to do?
21:18 Miner_48er    ripdisk error?
21:22 LazyJ         ripdisk, download the engine and game from GitHub either as clones or as zip files. Then use the README's "sudo apt-get" line that includes all the dependencies. After that run the cmake with the server build option instead of the client.
21:22 LazyJ         The cmake build options are listed in the README too.
21:27 LazyJ         Hm. So far the cinematic view make the display lag behind the mouse movement. This is supposed to be an improvement?
21:32 whtemple1959  Miner: https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/minetest/download
21:35 ripdisk       LazyJ: , i just did all that.
21:35 ripdisk       same errors.
21:36 LazyJ         Hmm...
21:36 LazyJ         Scrolling back through the chat.... You said you couldn't find Minetest?
21:38 LazyJ         I use the zip files. After extracting, rename "minetest-master" and "minetest_game-master" to just "minetest" and "minetest_game". Then move "minetest_game" into the /minetest/games/ directory.
21:39 LazyJ         Then I go back to the /minetest directory and open a terminal there.
21:40 LazyJ         In the terminal I do the "sudo apt-get <stuff>" to make sure my dependencies are up-to-date.
21:40 LazyJ         Then I run this cmake for *client** build:
21:40 LazyJ         cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=ON -DENABLE_CURL=ON -DBUILD_CLIENT=1 -DENABLE_GLES=1 -DENABLE_SOUND=ON -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1
21:41 LazyJ         The "-DENABLE_LEVELDB=1" won't work if you don't have LevelDB installed.
21:42 LazyJ         "-DBUILD_SERVER=1" is what to use for a server setup instead of "-DBUILD_CLIENT=1".
21:43 LazyJ         The "-DRUN_IN_PLAC=1" will build Minetest in that directory and not spread it out in various places in your system.
21:44 LazyJ         No "/usr/share/some_parts_here", no "./hidden_folder_of_minetest",... everything stays together with RUN_IN_PLACE making it easier to keep an eye on Minetest things.
21:45 LazyJ         Ok, done typing that wall-o-text. ;)-
21:48 Miner_48er    rapdisk did LazyJ help?
21:48 Miner_48er    *ripdisk
21:48 Miner_48er    ripdisk
21:57 EricTest      Hello
21:57 whtemple1959  hello room, could any one please tell me the address for the repository for minetest-server?
21:59 EricTest      Does lua 5.3 work for minetest?
22:00 rom1504       whtemple1959: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=minetest
22:22 whtemple1959  rom1504: like I did not think of that...would you like to tell me which of those hits are actually a repository? because I have been to 7 yes count them 7 of the returns and found no "REPOSITORY"
23:00 whtemple1959  rom1504: do you have a solution to my quandry?
23:02 whtemple1959  well let's see is there any one in this room willing to help a new guy out with a server install quandry?
23:07 LazyJ         whtemple1959, this is the link to Minetest and minetest_game's GitHub repository:
23:07 LazyJ         http://github.com/minetest
23:08 LazyJ         Scoll-up in the chat and you'll see the brief instructions I posted for ripdisk_.
23:08 whtemple1959  LadyJ: I am sorry I am so knew I must be blind I have been to this site and have not seena repository that I can put into my sources.list to install the server from
23:10 LazyJ         This isn't an apt or yum repository. You have to compile it from the source code.
23:10 Miner_48er    whtemple1959 ^
23:10 LazyJ         Minetest isn't in all linux distributions' repositories and several of those that do have it are out-of-date.
23:11 VanessaE      whtemple1959: if you can't spell "new" and figure out the difference between a git repository and an apt repository, I'm not sure you are ready to run a server.
23:11 whtemple1959  LazyJ: sorry chubby fingers...that is why I hate command line procedures... I ahve gone back to here https://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest-server and although it will take all night to insure all dependencies are met I will work through them all and then install the server
23:11 whtemple1959  Vanessa: yea your right
23:12 VanessaE      whtemple1959: just follow the README, from this spot:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L102
23:12 VanessaE      it's just copy&paste.
23:12 LazyJ         There is also a "sticky" post or two on forum.minetest.net -> "Servers" forum that will contain more bits of info.
23:12 VanessaE      except that someone wasn't paying attention to line lengths in that doc, so make sure that line 106 is copied in full
23:16 whtemple1959  VanessaE: I just wanted to enjoy a common game with my son without him sitting in my lap and silly me thought that putting a mintest server on my file server so he and I could play together on cold winter days was a good idea. of cours as always Linux throws too many curves for this old dog to understand
23:18 VanessaE      you don't need to compile the server for that
23:19 VanessaE      you can use the client to launch a local server also
23:19 est31         compiling the server is only neccessary if you need to execute it on a box that doesn't have Xorg dependencies installed
23:23 LazyJ         Start Minetest as usual on your strongest computer, then click on the "Server" tab, select the world you wish to run (you might have to start one first in client mode if you don't have one already), fill in your player name and password in the appropriate fields (to the left), then click on the "Start Game" button.
23:23 whtemple1959  VanessaE: please do not laugh. I did try that from the start but our old broken down PCs just could not handle running a server and a client at the same time. I do hope that Santa will be able to bring us newer PCs for Yule.. if I were a character i the game you would see me banging my head aganst some blocks.
23:24 VanessaE      whtemple1959: then you did it wrong :)  because that's exactly how Minetest already runs in "singleplayer" mode.
23:25 VanessaE      when you launch the client, go to the "server" tab and plug in a username and password for yourself to use as the admin, give a port number to run the server on.  select a world to run, click "start game".
23:25 LazyJ         From that point start Minetest on another computer that is connected to your home network. On *that* computer go to the "Client" tab, enter a different playername and password then in the "Address" field enter "localhost" and the Port should be 30000 (default).
23:25 VanessaE      tell your kid to connect to your machine's LAN IP at that port
23:25 VanessaE      tell him to sign in with his own name and a password you two can remember.
23:25 VanessaE      done.
23:27 whtemple1959  VanessaE: it does not surprise me...in the least. let me step away and re-attempt to make it work I will take notes and come back. Thank you VanessaE and LazyJ...to be continued.
23:27 LazyJ         Good luck  ;)
23:28 LazyJ         Ah, crud.
23:28 LazyJ         Not "localhost" but the IP of the computer you want to connect to.
23:29 LazyJ         "localhost" is for testing two Minetests running on the same machine (useful for testing mods in a server setup).
23:30 LazyJ         whtemple1959, it will take several tries to get things figured out. Minetest is a bit convoluted.
23:31 LazyJ         and too sparce in the useful documentation department for most of us.
23:40 iio7          I have compiled to different minetest 0.4.12 server on two different boxes, in both cases when users connect there is no TNT.
23:41 iio7          I have tested with vanilla, is this a known issue?
23:44 LazyJ         iio7, try enabling TNT in your minetest.conf. From the /minetest/game/minetest_game/minetest.conf.example (different from the engine's "minetest.conf.example"):
23:44 est31         TNT is disabled by default iio7
23:44 LazyJ         # Whether the TNT mod should be enabled
23:44 LazyJ         #enable_tnt = <true in singleplayer, false in multiplayer>
23:44 est31         so turn off minetest edit the file LazyJ mentioned and start minetest again
23:45 iio7          Ah, of course, thank you very much!
23:45 LazyJ         yw ;)