Time Nick Message 00:11 hmmmm iio7, sounds like you should update minetest_game 00:20 ShadowNinja s/_game// 01:43 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: mapgen.lua: Add dirt/sand/gravel blob ores for mgv5/mgv7 133b526a7 http://git.io/AEFh (152015-02-22T01:34:35Z) 03:16 Greycoat Okay, I have a fork of Technic at https://github.com/BluebirdGreycoat/technic 03:16 Greycoat New features: 03:16 Greycoat 1) HV furnace 03:16 Greycoat 2) Control logic units can be configured to send a variable number of items per "tick". 03:17 Greycoat I'm looking for opinions on the code before submitting a pull request. 09:09 * Calinou is doing 3d_armor modpack update to Carbone 09:09 Calinou OptiPNG'ing all the textures 09:09 Calinou most have 40-50 % decrease 09:15 Calinou https://github.com/Calinou/minetest-3d_armor/commit/d95f494a94d6d1b24b62d2bd8aaf99c0611b3a8c 09:15 Calinou heh, thanks 10:04 rubenwardy Hi all! 10:56 wow Hello! 10:56 wow I will like to know how to play this minetest. I am new to the game 10:56 wow I have installed it on a Fedora 21 machine 10:56 wow Thanks! 11:01 rubenwardy How far have you got? 11:02 Calinou wow, http://wiki.minetest.net/Getting_started 11:02 rubenwardy !wiki Tutorial 11:02 MinetestBot No such page. 11:02 rubenwardy !wiki Tutorial_Game 11:02 MinetestBot No such page. 11:02 rubenwardy !wiki Tutorial_game 11:02 Calinou also try the Tutorial subgame 11:02 rubenwardy :S 11:02 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.net/Games/Tutorial 11:02 rubenwardy http://home.rubenwardy.com:5000/chapters/lua.html 11:02 rubenwardy Any suggestions? 11:02 Calinou rubenwardy, in your modding guide, you could add an “image optimization” part 11:03 Calinou using OptiPNG, add an example command to optimize all textures 11:03 Calinou saves a lot of space with most textures (20-50 %) 11:03 Calinou also I can't connect to your page 11:04 rubenwardy Try now 11:04 rubenwardy I was hosting on 127.0.0.1 not 0.0.0.0 11:09 wow Thanks Calinou. That was helpful 11:22 Birdy_ anyone here 11:23 Krock nope, everyone's gone 11:23 TheBonsai including me 11:23 Krock yeah, by "everyone" is each person and bot meant 11:24 Birdy_ didnt think people would actaully respond 11:25 Birdy_ im just going to state this ok. please don't be shallow 11:29 rubenwardy :S http://home.rubenwardy.com:5000/chapters/lua.html#coding-in-lua 11:29 rubenwardy Hi Zeno`! 11:30 Zeno` hi! 11:31 rubenwardy Working on this: http://home.rubenwardy.com:5000/chapters/lua.html#coding-in-lua 11:31 rubenwardy But, meh 11:31 Zeno` It looks good to me 11:32 Zeno` good idea 11:33 Zeno` I use kate myself 11:34 rubenwardy I used to, but I moved to XFCE 11:34 rubenwardy or whatever it is called 11:34 Zeno` errr... xfce is not an editor :D 11:35 rubenwardy Doesn't Kate require KDE? 11:35 Zeno` it requires kdelibs, yeah 11:35 Zeno` hmm... maybe not. Maybe only Qt 11:35 Zeno` not really sure 11:39 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tQfcEfifJg 11:40 Zeno` we should have a party! :D 11:40 rubenwardy Yay? 11:40 Zeno` yay! 11:40 * Zeno` sets up the disco 11:41 Zeno` this'll be awesome 11:43 Nihao Hello, I need your help once more. I am discovering "pipeworks" and would like to know about the way the different pipes are supposed to work. The README says to go to "http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/", but my browser thinks there is nothing at that address.... 11:44 Zeno` who is supplying the drinks? 11:44 Nihao Mainly, I am interested in two points for the moment: Why does "one way tube" transport in either direction? And what is the logics to configure the sorting tube? 11:45 rubenwardy_ There isn't any there 11:45 rubenwardy_ https://github.com/vanessae/pipeworks/wiki 11:45 Nihao rubenwardy_: Thank you! 11:45 nore Nihao: the "one way tube" transports only is the direction of its arrow 11:46 Nihao nore: I expected that, but it is wrong. 11:46 nore moreover, it has priority over normal tubes iirc 11:46 nore what?? 11:47 Zeno` I dedicate this next song to VanessaE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLPH9d-jsI 11:47 nore just checked it should be one-way only 11:47 Nihao hm, I used it with furnaces and they threw their outputs at each other. 11:48 nore do you have an image of your setup? 11:48 Nihao ...I destroyed it and went to creative server for testing. 11:49 nore (btw, if you just want to route items, high-priority tubes are the best) 11:49 Zeno` sfan5, do all the serialize calls for database NOT call zlib compress? 11:49 sfan5 they do 11:49 Zeno` they all call zlib's compress? 11:50 Zeno` for db blobs? 11:50 Nihao I would just ned a technical spec, I am sure to be able to figure out things afterwards. 11:50 nore well, it *should* be one way only 11:50 Zeno` or... as I suspect, is serialize different for the db? 11:50 nore if it's not, there's a bug 11:50 sfan5 Zeno`: zlib compress is called on the raw block data, the rest of the mapblock is uncompressed 11:50 Nihao nore: The order was (using one way tubes): Autocrafter tube furnace tube furnace 11:51 Nihao + chest 11:51 sfan5 Zeno`: s/block/node/ 11:51 nore technic furnaces? 11:51 Nihao From right to left. 11:51 Nihao MV furnace, yes 11:51 nore ah.. the problem is that you have to rotate them to control their output direction 11:51 Gael-de-Sailly Hello 11:51 Zeno` sfan5, is there some technical reason for that? 11:52 Nihao .....and one way tube does what? 11:52 nore hi 11:52 Nihao Salut. 11:52 nore nope, one way tube just prevents items from being inserted in them the wrong way 11:52 sfan5 Zeno`: reason? it's done to save space 11:52 nore but technic machines do not check that 11:53 Gael-de-Sailly I have this problem with the framed_glasslike drawtype : http://i.imgur.com/QY4L8cf.png 11:53 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPHJFnob8p8 11:53 Nihao nore: I need the spec. I can not read the code so well and there are not many comments inside. 11:53 Gael-de-Sailly The internal edges should be hidden, they are not 11:53 Zeno` sfan5, at the expense of performance 11:53 nore the spec is: 11:53 Zeno` zlib is slower than my pet snail 11:54 nore look at all the neighboring tubes/tubedevices that accept input 11:54 sfan5 not really 11:54 Zeno` sfan5, I've profiled it. Have you? 11:54 nore get those with highest priority 11:54 sfan5 Zeno`: no, but if you choose the right compression level zlib is not that slow 11:54 nore (so: high-priority is 150 IIRC, chest/etc is 100, one-way tube is 75 and other tubes are 50) 11:55 Zeno` sfan5, it's slower than the render loop 11:55 nore and send item in one of those tubes with highest priority in a round-robin way 11:55 sfan5 Zeno`: if it's that slow ask celeron55 why he did that 11:56 sfan5 Zeno`: it's been like this since minetest could save maps 11:56 Zeno` sfan5, I think we all know what the answer will be :D 11:56 Nihao nore: And thus, having two nodes linked by exactly one one way tube, that tube can work either way? 11:56 Nihao nore: Lets forget the one way tube for a while. 11:56 Zeno` I'm just saying that if stuff is going to be broken then it should be broken properly 11:57 nore no, the problem is that technic furnaces *do not check* whether an item is allowed to enter 11:57 sfan5 you don't want to compress block data 11:57 sfan5 ? 11:57 nore they'll send it anyway 11:57 nore so, if there is a one-way tube 11:57 Zeno` sfan5, I'd like a choice as to the compression method used 11:57 nore it will act as if it was a normal tube 11:57 Zeno` and that choice should include no compression at all 11:57 sfan5 why would anyone do that? 11:58 nore you need to rotate your furnaces to make them eject items in the correct direction 11:58 Zeno` do what? 11:58 Zeno` not compress? 11:58 sfan5 yes 11:58 Zeno` because HDD space is cheap 11:58 nore sfan5: if one doesn't care about map size 11:58 nore and want fast map access 11:58 nore s/want/wants 11:58 sfan5 fast map access? 11:58 sfan5 as in more data == faster 11:58 sfan5 ? 11:58 nore it may be faster if not compressed 11:59 Zeno` yes, fast map access 11:59 nore you don't have to uncompress 11:59 sfan5 correct 11:59 sfan5 but it requires more reading speed to be actually faster 11:59 nore yep 12:00 nore but with SSD drives, that may be the case 12:00 Nihao OK, thanks. I will continue experimenting. 12:00 nore np 12:09 Zeno` I dedicate this next song to sfan5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXxJeEMmFDM 12:12 Zeno` yeah! 12:12 * Zeno` stands on desk 12:14 Zeno` 'tis hard being dj 12:15 Zeno` this is for celeron55: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw 12:16 Krock this is for Zeno`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw 12:16 Zeno` lol Krock 12:16 Zeno` I quite like it 12:17 * Zeno` jives 12:17 Zeno` geeee how good would it be for meeeeee 12:18 Zeno` bye bye baby don't make me cry 12:18 Zeno` good choice. Thank you Krock for the contribution 12:18 Krock wait. I got another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ 12:19 Krock RickRoll'd 12:19 Zeno` AWESOME! 12:19 Zeno` 80s pop FTW! 12:19 * Zeno` puts on his sunglasses 12:19 Zeno` lmfao 12:20 Zeno` I kinda like this song 12:20 Krock yeah, it's not that bad but still funny to lead people to it 12:21 Zeno` give you up! 12:21 Zeno` never never never gonna 12:21 Zeno` oh oh oh 12:21 Zeno` I have something awesome 12:22 Zeno` something special: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu5zd5fCaPA 12:22 Krock is that 720p? 12:23 Krock jk, sounds cool 12:23 Zeno` doesn't look like it. Some kind of modified version of soundtracker playing it 12:24 Zeno` pretty cool for the simple PC speaker (IMO) 12:28 Zeno` only coders might find it cool though :( 12:30 Zeno` this is dedicated to nzxrt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9layb9U46OY 12:34 Zeno` Dedicated to hmmmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LmnP7wZUck 12:34 Zeno` xD 12:36 Zeno` look at those smooth dance moves! 12:37 * Zeno` replays the hmmmm song 12:40 Zeno` damn me... that would be better than rick roll 12:40 * Zeno` starts bananaramarolling other channels 12:42 Zeno` for Zeno`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Q3mHyzn78 12:46 Zeno` this is a good radio 12:47 Krock "this"? 12:49 Zeno` yeah 12:49 Zeno` in fact... 12:49 Zeno` i love the radio 12:49 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oKz5YB4028 12:50 Krock wait. I remember a scene like that one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktbhw0v186Q 12:51 Zeno` do you want a drink? 12:52 Krock no thanks 12:52 Zeno` ok then. Maybe I didn't treat you quite as good as I should've 12:53 Zeno` I'm so sorry :( 12:53 Zeno` You are always on my mind 12:54 Zeno` would a PSB clip with lady gaga be better? 12:54 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3X1aExRYqs 12:57 Zeno` I know you love it, Krock 12:57 Krock meh. I prefer non-battles 12:57 Krock but okay, not bad. 12:58 Zeno` lol 12:58 Krock What's going on with youtube? I can't play the videos on VLC anymore 12:59 Zeno` even xkcd mentions go west 13:00 Zeno` http://uni.xkcd.com/ 13:00 Zeno` go west 13:00 Zeno` go west 13:06 Krock VanessaE closed the ISIS IRC server :( 13:09 Zeno` nah, just waiting for DNS to propogate maybe? 13:09 Amaz She closed it. 13:09 Zeno` hmm 13:09 Amaz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7017&p=170785#p170785 13:10 Zeno` she still has the server though 13:10 Zeno` just a different name 13:10 Krock the terrorists attacked the server's name! 13:10 Amaz XD 13:10 Zeno` isis still hosts ircd 13:10 Zeno` oh 13:10 Zeno` oriris 13:11 Zeno` silly 13:11 Zeno` this next song on radio #minetest is dedicated to Amaz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRfXznFzRY 13:12 Krock how 'bout a playlist? 13:12 Zeno` for their sorrow regarding isis 13:13 * Zeno` give permission to Krock to add a song to the playlist 13:15 Zeno` sadness is pretty cool though 13:15 Zeno` (IMO) 13:15 Zeno` sadeness 13:32 Zeno` And this is for ShadowNinja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLXWDaVYNN8 13:37 Zeno` I wouldn't mind a slice either :/ 13:39 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLGWQfK-6DY 13:43 Zeno` for cheapie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILWSp0m9G2U 13:47 Zeno` for kahrl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhKe-Z-NhBs 13:51 Zeno` For CWz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpIe95cS2JM 13:53 VanessaE Krock, Amaz: the server is osiris.inchra.net now. just use irc.inchra.net 13:54 Amaz Yep, I'm using irc.inchra.net. 13:54 Zeno` For VanessaE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssIZOBV9i4 13:55 VanessaE Zeno`: blocked. 13:55 Zeno` pfft :( 13:55 VanessaE (UMG, copyright grounds) 13:55 Zeno` belinda carlisle summer rain 13:57 * Zeno` dances on his desk 13:58 Zeno` I think I've played a song for most people now 13:58 Zeno` some have missed their songs :P 13:58 Zeno` :) 13:59 Zeno` oh dear 14:00 Zeno` I'd already played a song for VanessaE 14:00 VanessaE speaking of rain, it finally warmed up here a bit. back in the positive side of the thermometer and the snow has melted, for now 14:00 CryptoNaut I need to find all the parameters to dial down the system requirements for minetest 14:00 CryptoNaut I think I overheated my gpu last time I played 14:00 CryptoNaut (since it ended in a system crash after a handful of rendering hiccups) 14:03 VanessaE you probably overheated your CPU. 14:04 VanessaE minetest doesn't actually do much with the GPU 14:04 Calinou http://i.imgur.com/FpvaRSu.jpg 14:04 Calinou mapgen trollface 14:04 CryptoNaut no? ah, well, both of mine lack cooling, it's been fine with most load cases so far, I guess I found an application to push the limits of ultra low voltage 14:04 Calinou by twoelk 14:05 init how can you make a modern CPU overheat with stock cooling 14:05 CryptoNaut init: it's not stock, it's stock -fan 14:05 CryptoNaut the bearing died some 3 years ago =) 14:05 CryptoNaut rarely overheats tho 14:05 init oh well 14:05 CryptoNaut I don't push it hard 14:05 init CryptoNaut: get an h60, they're really cool 14:05 CryptoNaut ultra low voltage for the win 14:05 CryptoNaut init: which maker is that? 14:06 init corsair 14:06 CryptoNaut sounds like a desktop upgrade manufacturer 14:06 CryptoNaut I'm using a laptop 14:06 init http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h60-cpu-cooler 14:06 init oh 14:06 CryptoNaut I'm planning on hitting the local stores monday morning 14:06 init I thought it was a desktop 14:06 CryptoNaut to buy a new laptop, this 6 year old has outlived it's usefulness 14:07 init all my 6yo+ desktops still work 14:07 init I still use two of them as servers 14:07 CryptoNaut this one has had threefold failure 14:07 Calinou local stores in 2015? :/ 14:08 CryptoNaut screen frame failure that started early, battery failure that concluded sooner than the screen frame failure progress, and then, a couple years in the fan bearing failed, hah 14:08 shadowzone init, I see what you did there. 14:08 init shadowzone: oh really? 14:08 shadowzone CryptoNaut: get an h60, they're really cool 14:08 CryptoNaut Calinou: they still have 'em here 14:08 CryptoNaut shadowzone: nice pun eh? 14:08 shadowzone Yeah 14:08 shadowzone they're really "cool" 14:08 CryptoNaut I'm not quite sure which laptop for running linux I should get, I'm thinking i should limit myself to intel graphics chips 14:08 Krock init, I'm here on a motherboard from 05/23/2006 and minetest still runs on it :P 14:09 CryptoNaut supposedly best driver support 14:09 init Krock: all my "desktops" only had low-end IGPs, so I can barely do anything "modern" with them :( 14:09 CryptoNaut minetest would probably run fine here, if I invested in fixing the fan on this pile of crap 14:09 init and right now my mid-end desktop has a really low-end GPU so yeah 14:10 Calinou CryptoNaut, stick with Intel 14:10 Calinou only proper graphics manufacturer 14:10 Calinou just get an i7, which have faster IGPs 14:10 shadowzone Mine is a modified dell vostro. 14:10 shadowzone Like VERY modified. 14:10 shadowzone the only thing left of it is the case. 14:10 init only the name stands? 14:10 Krock init, is using a newer graphics card no soulation? 14:10 CryptoNaut Calinou: that's new slang for gpu yes? 14:10 init Krock: no PCI-E, no AGP, not going to spend money in a new mobo 14:10 Calinou IGP = Integrated Graphics Processor 14:11 init CryptoNaut: I'd only stick with Intel in laptops 14:11 CryptoNaut I don't think I'll spend the cash on an i7 tho, i5 or i3 maybe 14:11 CryptoNaut I dunno 14:11 Krock there are mainboards with IGP and AGP/PCI 14:11 CryptoNaut I'm going for a dirt cheap price point 14:11 CryptoNaut below 600 eur 14:11 init I really like my actual setup :D 14:11 init cheap worthless laptop + decent desktop 14:13 init I can upgrade the desktop as I go (SSD, more HDDs, extra ram, CPU upgrade, 4new PSU, 4new case, 4new cooling, 4add UPS, etc) easily :3 14:14 Krock why do you need UPS? 14:14 rubenwardy Yo mates! 14:14 CryptoNaut to work through the power interruptions? 14:14 Krock CryptoNaut, well here in Europe, there are 1 maybe 2 interruptions per year :3 14:15 Krock dunno about other places 14:15 init I live in a rural area, so it isn't _that_ good 14:15 CryptoNaut Krock: here in my parts of europe rural bits can get brown outs and such, altho I don't get that here in the city 14:16 init and I don't live in europe! 14:16 CryptoNaut just straight black outs when some substation blows 14:16 CryptoNaut hah 14:16 CryptoNaut but most times I power down is to be safe during overhead thunder storms 14:16 init Argentina 14:17 init CryptoNaut: yeah, pretty much over here, heavy thunder storms tends to fuck up some line => power interruption 14:17 init but being able to change power lines or so easily (our houses has two lines, mostly for $$$ reasons) 14:17 rubenwardy Zeno`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPqJwdCXpw 14:18 Zeno` The Vaccines! 14:19 rubenwardy Yay! 14:19 shadowzone Good morning/afternoon/evening, Zeno`. 14:19 Zeno` hi shadowzone 14:19 Zeno` The Vaccines are pretty cool 14:19 init it's probably like 4AM in Zeno`'s side 14:20 init am I right? 14:20 Zeno` only 12:20AM 14:20 init uh, right, checked my _local_ hour wrong 14:21 Zeno` hmm 14:22 Zeno` actually I dedicated another remix of this song to someone else earlier... but it should really be to shadowzone 14:22 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84DZ_kecKUo 14:23 * shadowzone listens 14:23 shadowzone that is kinda cool 14:23 Zeno` it's your song 14:24 Zeno` this was the version I played earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpIe95cS2JM 14:24 Zeno` I rededicate all versions to you 14:25 shadowzone Okay.. 14:25 * Zeno` rocks 14:25 CryptoNaut init: we've had hardware burnt out when out of the house and thunder happening before, so it's taught me caution during the storms =P 14:25 shadowzone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4RfZojIyhA Zeno` your song just cuz I can't think of anything else 14:26 Zeno` lmao :D 14:26 init CryptoNaut: yes, me too, but sometimes I realize it's raining when the power goes down 14:26 CryptoNaut init: raining? 14:26 Zeno` yeah! 14:26 init and, we've a controlled powercut every month in my house 14:27 * Zeno` is a sharp dressed man 14:27 init CryptoNaut: wut? 14:27 CryptoNaut init: how is rain relevant, I'm confused 14:27 Krock I signed in on my computer 3456 times but the mainboard only has 93 starts 14:27 Krock a mystery 14:27 Zeno` shadowzone, john fogerty originally sang that 14:28 shadowzone Cool 14:28 CryptoNaut Krock: maybe mainboard counter only has something like 7 or 8 bits of counter? 14:28 Zeno` since I am to be associated with JF... can I have this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H06_0ApzkzY? 14:28 init CryptoNaut: uhm? thunderstorms come with heavy rain 14:29 CryptoNaut init: so you have a hypothesis that you never hear the thunder, but there's power outages during rain? 14:29 CryptoNaut still confused 14:29 CryptoNaut I can always hear the thunder here 14:29 CryptoNaut well, if it gets close enough anyway 14:29 Krock CryptoNaut, I doupt that. Either is it ereased by replacing the CMOS battery or it's because it's still the old HDD on another mainboard :P 14:29 CryptoNaut Krock: what's counting the sign-ins anyway 14:29 shadowzone Zeno`, okay 14:30 Krock CryptoNaut, Winwipe. 14:30 init CryptoNaut: I use headphones, and my room has thick walls/roof, if I was in the living room I would notice it :P 14:30 Zeno` shadowzone, hmm. Ok I trust your judgement. lol 14:30 CryptoNaut sounds like a very old install Krock 14:30 CryptoNaut init: ah 14:30 Krock nah, not that old. IO.SYS got created in 2011 14:30 CryptoNaut init: it's fun to follow the progress of thunder storms in the summer with thunder tracking 'radars' online, btw 14:31 Zeno` I'm not sure I like JF 14:31 Zeno` but he does sing some ok songs 14:31 init CryptoNaut: I made a few programs and scripts that basically made it easy, I can't get to use them 14:31 Zeno` Who'll stop the rain is oll 14:31 Zeno` s/oll/ok 14:31 CryptoNaut init: make what? 14:32 init tracking weather radars 14:32 CryptoNaut O.O 14:32 init wut 14:32 * Zeno` square dances 14:32 CryptoNaut anyway, I'm fortunate to have a few of those thunder trackers nearby 14:33 Zeno` the thunder from down under! (AC/DC)!!!!!!!!!1 14:33 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM 14:33 Zeno` good call, CryptoNaut 14:33 CryptoNaut apparently, not much lightning right now in europe http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en 14:34 Zeno` thunder 14:34 Zeno` thunder 14:34 Zeno` thunder 14:34 init I live in a really humid place, if that makes any difference :P 14:34 Zeno` yay! 14:34 rubenwardy Ha 14:34 init poor Zeno` 14:34 Zeno` thunder 14:35 Zeno` and I knew, I knew, I knew there was no help from you 14:35 Zeno` you've been... thunderstruck! 14:36 CryptoNaut Zeno`: is it mean to find people who are afraid of thunder amusing? 14:36 Zeno` CryptoNaut, I don't think so. I love the song 14:37 CryptoNaut I'm not referring to the song 14:37 Zeno` I have a UPS for the same reason 14:37 init wut 14:37 Zeno` I live in a rural area and lose power maybe 30 times a year lol 14:37 rom1504 Hi, in http://dev.minetest.net/Network_Protocol , https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientserver.h is 404 14:37 rom1504 also, creating an account on the wiki is not possible 14:38 Zeno` CryptoNaut, believe me that I am not making fun of people who are cautious with their expensive gear 14:38 CryptoNaut no I mean afraid like cats and dogs are afraid of thunder 14:38 init your gear is more expensive than expensive 14:38 Zeno` even so, I am not making fun of that 14:39 CryptoNaut except, they can predict being afraid before it happens, unlike our pets 14:39 CryptoNaut I try not to make fun of them, of course, because that would be rude 14:39 Zeno` I make fun of myself more often that anything 14:39 CryptoNaut same 14:40 CryptoNaut while I'm cautious abaout our appliances in the face of thunder, I'm unable to be emotionally scared of thunder, or lightning damage 14:40 init is anyone here learning (or wants to learn) Haskell? 14:40 CryptoNaut I have to work really hard to be afraid of it 14:41 CryptoNaut hm, opaque water should reduce system load, shouldn't it 14:41 Zeno` in Fact 14:42 Zeno` I will now dedicate a song to myself 14:42 CryptoNaut maybe less useful than viewing_range_nodes_max 14:42 Zeno` Zeno`, this is dedicated to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A 14:43 CryptoNaut debug.txt is not supposed to open in vlc =\ 14:43 Zeno` and girl's... they wanna have fun 14:43 * Zeno` grooves 14:43 Zeno` Zeno`, this is YOUR song 14:44 Zeno` Zeno`, thanks mate! 14:44 init I think Zeno` didn't take his pills today 14:44 Zeno` yay 14:44 Zeno` oj, girls just wanna have fun 14:44 Zeno` yep 14:45 Zeno` yeah! 14:45 Zeno` wanna have fun 14:45 rubenwardy rom1504, it recently changed a lot 14:45 rubenwardy You need to request on the forums for a wiki account 14:45 rubenwardy !g wiki account request site:forum.minetest.net 14:45 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10473 14:46 rubenwardy That's it 14:46 Zeno` rubenwardy, what does that have to do with cyndi lauper? 14:46 rubenwardy Hi, in http://dev.minetest.net/Network_Protocol , https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientserver.h is 404 14:46 * Zeno` checks source code for class Cyndi 14:47 Zeno` wow 14:47 Zeno` it's actually here 14:49 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ORzdIQIMAo 14:50 Zeno` Don't let me go! 14:50 CryptoNaut I'm going to gamble and assume both enable_fog = 0 and enable_clouds = 0 improve performance / reduce load 14:51 Zeno` enable_clouds = 0 would 14:51 Zeno` not so sure about enable_fog 14:51 CryptoNaut hm, maybe it's part of the viewing_range_ decision making, whether there's fog or not, I'll leave it for now 14:52 rubenwardy I don't know how it is done, if it limits render distance in the camera then maybe not 14:52 CryptoNaut ps: if I disconnect I played too long and it overheated again =P I have temperature sensors showing now, tho 14:52 Zeno` the fog setting makes very little difference 14:52 CryptoNaut I reduced viewing_range_nodes_* below default tho http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest.conf 14:53 CryptoNaut Zeno`: every saved cpu cycle is a saved cpu cycle =P 14:53 Zeno` fog is not cpu though ;) 14:53 CryptoNaut what then? 14:53 Zeno` gpu 14:53 Zeno` and gpu is basically unused so I doubt it would make much difference at all 14:54 Zeno` It doesn't add anything to the mesh anyway 14:54 Zeno` it's just a rendering thing 14:55 CryptoNaut I'll leave fog and transparent water for now, but went with the opaque leaves, yay 14:55 Zeno` clouds add to the mesh and also use perlin noise (CPU) 14:55 CryptoNaut wouldn't using opengl rendering offload some stuff to the gpu by default anyway 14:55 CryptoNaut hm, alright, thanks 14:56 Zeno` CryptoNaut, less than you'd think :( 14:56 CryptoNaut now if I could figure out what the number for time_speed does, if it's just a day/time_speed thingy, I could know what the default number actually means 14:57 CryptoNaut time for using a stopwatch 14:57 Zeno` fog is done ALL gpu-side though 14:57 Zeno` clouds are not 14:57 CryptoNaut bbl 15:42 Calinou Zeno`, talking about fog, I wish we had “fancy fog” (radial) 15:42 Calinou like Minecraft does 15:42 Calinou the current fog is just a plane 15:56 FreeFull Calinou: I thought minecraft did a plane 15:56 FreeFull So just rotating the camera would change the way things were fogged over (things around the edges of the screen got less fog ) 16:00 Megaf Hi everyone 16:00 Megaf !server Megaf 16:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/9, 1/3 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms 16:01 LazyJ o/ Megaf 16:01 Megaf I have been idle here for quite some time not :P 16:02 LazyJ You lurker, you. 16:03 Mati1_ hi all 16:03 Mati1_ how to make trolley tracks 16:04 LazyJ Rails - default game. Carts - cart mod. Trains - in development mod by jordan4ibanez. 16:05 LazyJ Rails are just that - rails only. 16:05 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com 16:05 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (38ms) 16:05 LazyJ For something that moves on the rails use the Cart mod. 16:05 Mati1_ Is there a website with the help of 16:05 rubenwardy Capture the flag multiplayer testing 16:05 rubenwardy Try and crash it! 16:05 LazyJ Otherwise build a static trolley out of blocks. 16:06 Mati1_ pleace website 16:06 Mati1_ link for 16:06 LazyJ forum.minetest.net -> Mods forums. 16:07 LazyJ Probably faster to use Google: forum.minetest.net carts 16:08 rubenwardy 1sec, making public 16:08 Mati1_ thx 16:08 LazyJ yw ;) 16:09 rubenwardy !server capture 16:09 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag test | home.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 1755ms 16:09 rubenwardy !server capture 16:09 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag test | home.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 1755ms 16:11 Amaz Has it crashed? 16:11 CryptoNaut now, I wonder if disabling smooth lighting reduces load 16:12 rubenwardy No, but the client is hanging and won't close 16:12 rubenwardy Will start as console server 16:13 Amaz Okay. 16:13 rubenwardy Will start as console server 16:13 rubenwardy !server capture 16:13 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag test | home.rubenwardy.com:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 36ms 16:15 rubenwardy Hmmm, server won't start 16:15 Amaz I'm in it, but nothing is loading... 16:16 rubenwardy Weird 16:16 rubenwardy Infinite loop? 16:16 hoodedice for(;;)? 16:16 hoodedice while (true)? 16:16 rubenwardy ^C16:16:38: INFO: sigint_handler(): Ctrl-C pressed, shutting down. 16:16 rubenwardy 16:16:38: ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 500) 16:17 rubenwardy restarting, ports are locked up 16:20 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com 16:20 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (39ms) 16:20 rubenwardy works now for me 16:20 rubenwardy !server capture 16:20 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag test | 92.2.106.181:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 35ms 16:21 rubenwardy That's not correct 16:21 rubenwardy Ah, last one hasn't timed out in the serverlist yet 16:22 rubenwardy Broken again. Well, that's probably a bug 16:23 Amaz Wasn't to hard to do as you asked :) 16:23 Amaz (Try and crash it!) 16:23 rubenwardy Server list is messed up 16:24 rubenwardy Server says ^C16:23:04: INFO: sigint_handler(): Ctrl-C pressed, shutting down. 16:24 rubenwardy 16:23:05: ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 500) 16:24 rubenwardy and then never closes 16:27 rubenwardy Hosting plain world to see if same problem 16:28 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com 16:28 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (1841ms) 16:28 rubenwardy It's windy and rainy thus slow internet 16:28 rubenwardy don't know why 16:28 hoodedice because the electrons carrying your data are feeling cold 16:29 hoodedice r/shittyaskscience 16:30 rubenwardy hoodedice, it would be good to have materials (leaflets, posters) for con style meet ups. (con as in ComiCon). 16:30 rubenwardy You're the PR guy 16:30 rubenwardy :) 16:30 hoodedice I'm also AWOL 16:31 hoodedice :) 16:31 rubenwardy Okay. I may get around to it, but probably not that soon 16:31 hoodedice to have con-style meetups, you need to have a large enough following first 16:31 rubenwardy Actually, I did just update the server 16:31 rubenwardy There have been two or three so far 16:31 hoodedice those are Minecraft cons 16:31 hoodedice not minetest cons 16:32 rubenwardy https://groups.google.com/d/topic/coderdojo-org/ndc-e26bOLw 16:32 rubenwardy Meh, not sure if that counts, but is similar. 16:33 hoodedice ruben, you're a celebrity now! 16:34 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com 16:34 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (42ms) 16:34 rubenwardy Please can we try again, but now that I've updated the server? I updated before trying plain mt 16:34 Amaz Seems to be the same as before... 16:35 Amaz As in not loading. 16:35 rubenwardy Yeah, same 500 error 16:35 hoodedice rubenwardy: can you look into converting this to markdown? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1306#issuecomment-75379414 16:35 rubenwardy That confirms it 16:36 rubenwardy Shouldn't be too hard, hoodedice. 16:36 hoodedice so you'll do it? 16:37 rubenwardy sure, 1sec 16:37 hoodedice kthnxm8 16:37 hoodedice my work here is done 16:37 hoodedice now to fly away for another 6 months 17:31 ipv6b Is there a way to make the chat text larger? 17:39 CryptoNaut time to enable opaque waterand to disable view_bobbing 17:39 rubenwardy Is there any way to find out where a Lua script is hanging? 17:40 rom1504 any easy way to make bots for minetest ? 17:41 rubenwardy !g minetest php bot 17:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/index.php 17:41 rubenwardy :( 17:41 rubenwardy !g minetest php bot github 17:41 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc 17:41 rubenwardy ffs 17:41 rubenwardy https://github.com/rarkenin/minetest-bot-php 17:42 rubenwardy Not sure how far they got 17:42 rom1504 seems it's just for chat though 17:43 CryptoNaut ok, so bobbing is another setting from use action swing 17:43 Amaz "Limitations: It does not work yet!" 17:43 CryptoNaut I'm not sure if it's the use action, or the actual block placement that cranks up the cpu now =\ 17:44 rubenwardy Amaz: it was to do with the team allocation 17:45 rubenwardy Disabling team allocation makes it work 17:45 Amaz What does it do? 17:45 Amaz And how do you disable that? 17:46 rubenwardy I disabled it in minetest.conf, and it automagically adds you to a team when you join 17:46 Amaz Okay. 17:48 rubenwardy I think it adds you to a team that doesn't exist 17:51 rubenwardy Ah, it is because the allocation method requires two teams, and only one team existed 18:06 rubenwardy I have no idea 18:06 rubenwardy Disabling autoalloc stops it from doing the silly things, but I can't see why 18:11 rubenwardy Here is the backtrace of where it is: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/b9bbb98d89f345a7d083 18:16 rubenwardy Building minetest server so I can get a backtrace of where the server is 18:19 rubenwardy The server just sleeps in dedicated server loop using usleep 18:21 rubenwardy So weird 18:33 SilvaMerner Hi 18:33 shadowzone hi SilvaMerner 18:33 SilvaMerner SHADOW 18:34 shadowzone How are you? 18:35 SilvaMerner Shadow I won't be on Minetest for a while 18:35 SilvaMerner Btw I'm good thx 18:36 shadowzone Oh 18:36 SilvaMerner Been a bit ill and lost my Samsung phone 18:37 SilvaMerner Got a new phone but I'll be back on Minetest soon 18:37 Calinou https://lut.im/wqAeIehL/DRii80u5 18:37 Calinou lol 18:38 SilvaMerner Hi calinou 18:38 shadowzone Calinou, lol 18:39 SilvaMerner #minetestcreeper 18:40 SilvaMerner Creepy if we could get creepers in Minetest 18:42 SilvaMerner Shadow can u tell the guys on Minetest it will probs be a couple of days or so before I come on again 18:45 ipv6b Not the first time somebody asks me how to split an item in Multicraft II 18:50 STHGOM how do you add an item to a players inventory? 18:51 STHGOM is it: minetest.get_inventory() :add_item("default:cobble")? 18:52 Krock player:get_inventory() 18:52 Krock minetest.get_player_by_name("foobar") 18:59 rubenwardy I don't understand :( 19:04 STHGOM is foobar the name of the player? 19:11 STHGOM it says "attempt to index global 'player'" 19:12 Krock STHGOM, you need to define "player" is it's not given. 19:12 Krock *if it's 19:13 rubenwardy Amaz, adding a delay before auto allocating fixes it, it is something to do with the player being emerged. 19:13 rubenwardy * not being 19:13 rubenwardy ie, isn't in the world yet 19:14 STHGOM how to define player? 19:15 Krock how about: local player = minetest.get_player_by_name("foobar") 19:15 STHGOM ok 19:18 STHGOM now it says "attempt to index local 'player'" 19:19 Krock at least an attempt 19:23 STHGOM i think i might've put it in a bad spot 19:26 STHGOM maybe not :P 19:32 EvergreenTree Hello everyone 19:33 STHGOM hi 19:34 STHGOM local player = minetest.get_player_by_name("singleplayer") 19:34 STHGOM player:get_inventory():add_item("default:cobble") 19:35 EvergreenTree What's with the random pasting of code? :P 19:36 STHGOM it now working :P 19:36 STHGOM not* 19:36 EvergreenTree What is the error message? 19:37 STHGOM lua:2: attempt to index global 'player' (a nil value) 19:38 STHGOM the first line is acually just player = minetest.get_player_by_name("singleplayer") 19:42 ipv6b No fear. The players are aware of all the *crafts problems. They avoid apps which give them problems. 19:42 EvergreenTree STHGOM: not sure, and don't really have time right now 19:44 STHGOM ok 19:47 STHGOM what program would you suggest for modding? 19:48 est31 STHGOM, modding minetest? 19:48 STHGOM yes 19:48 est31 I mainly use a texteditor, rubenwardies doc, and minetest 19:48 est31 the texteditor should support syntax highlighting 19:49 EvergreenTree Any text editor will do as long as it supports syntax highlighting and lua 19:49 EvergreenTree I can list a few: geany, vim(for wizards), gedit, scite, notepad++(windows) 19:49 STHGOM what one do you use? 19:49 * est31 uses kate 19:50 EvergreenTree vim 19:50 EvergreenTree kate is good too 19:50 est31 There is a video which gives an oversight over editors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvjcuiQE-cQ 19:50 EvergreenTree I have vim tricked out though, and I wouldn't really suggest it to you 19:50 EvergreenTree Here is a screenshot of it: https://lut.im/fXVgla0M/dBhvUq7M 19:51 est31 this isnt normal vanilla vim 19:51 EvergreenTree vim DOES NOT look like that out of the box however. 19:51 est31 yea 19:51 EvergreenTree I have vim-airline, gruvbox theme, nerdtree, ctrlp and many other plugins 19:51 EvergreenTree I also have a ~450 line vimrc 19:51 est31 nerdtree lol 19:51 EvergreenTree :P 19:52 EvergreenTree I would suggest geany, gedit, or kate if you are on linux though 19:52 EvergreenTree all of them have pretty similar features 19:52 est31 sometimes I use vim, but I have tab problems with it: when I type tabs, I get spaces 19:53 EvergreenTree est31: that's probably because expandtab is et 19:53 EvergreenTree *set 19:53 STHGOM can yuo easily get kate on windowsa? 19:53 est31 I think that would require installing KDE on windows 19:53 EvergreenTree no, not really 19:53 est31 which isnt probably what you want 19:54 EvergreenTree For windows, I think you might want to use notepad++. (not sure about it though, since I don't use windows) 19:54 EvergreenTree http://www.notepad-plus-plus.org/ 19:56 EvergreenTree Also, I repeat: DO NOT USE NOTEPAD 19:56 EvergreenTree :P 19:56 STHGOM i have been using wordpad 20:05 haiku !server Megaf 20:05 MinetestBot haiku: No results 20:05 haiku Megaf, what's happened with the server? 20:08 STHGOM thanks, notepad++ looks good 20:16 haiku !server Megaf 20:16 MinetestBot haiku: No results 20:48 iio7 Hi, I have set up a minetest server using 0.4.12 with v7 engine and Ethereal mod + the mobs mod for that. I would like for farm animals to spawn much more frequently, is it possible to change this without having to hack the mods themselves? 20:50 est31 hacking the mods is easiest, if they have no option 21:02 iio7 est31, ok, thanks 21:16 ChrisWere Hi, is there a way I can set up a casual game with another player through the game's gui 21:23 ChrisWere The documentation on how to do it is very bad 21:29 ChrisWere I think I read one article from minetest.com and another frome minetest.net and the two sets of instructions are conflicting 21:30 ChrisWere Is there anybody here who can help? I'm completely lost 21:32 Nihao ChrisWere: I do not know how to do that, but suppose it works as follows: 21:32 ChrisWere Pardon? 21:33 Nihao On one computer, you start the game from the server tab. 21:33 Nihao From the other computer, you connect to the first computers IP on port 30000. 21:34 Nihao Supposing there is no firewall blocking, thats all. 21:34 ChrisWere That hasn't worked 21:34 ChrisWere tbh I think following the instructions on Minetest.com has wrecked my install 21:35 Nihao Hm, sorry for you. I do not even know the instructions, sorry, I can not help you then. 21:36 ChrisWere Thanks for trying. I just wish the instructions on the wiki were a bit easyier to follow 21:37 Nihao For testing, I can launch a server and you connect? 21:37 ChrisWere I can connect to public servers 21:38 ChrisWere at the moment I need to fix my installion because following the instructions on the website has broken it 21:43 ChrisWere How do I get my game to appear on the public server list? Does it appear there my default? 21:46 ChrisWere There's no way to search for a game or organise the public server list. This is all very frustrating. Please help 21:48 Nihao ChanServ: You wanted a private game. Just use the IP of the PC where you run the server on. 21:48 ChrisWere That doesn't work either 21:49 Nihao Does ping answer? 21:52 ChrisWere as in ping my own IP address. That doesn't appear to answer 21:54 ChrisWere ohh hang on, I've worked it out 21:55 ChrisWere Weird thing happened, I went to http://www.myipaddress.com/show-my-ip-address/ to display my IP and it gave me an incorrect IP address. When I used the one from ifconfig it worked. 21:55 Nihao Router? 21:56 ChrisWere Something like that. Anyways, thank you very very much for sticking with me. Your support has been very valuable. 21:57 ChrisWere I know it's frustrating to have to deal with newbies like myself. 22:05 Nihao ChrisWere: Welcome. 22:07 Pulec I hate debian 22:07 Pulec in wheezy, it has only minetest server 0.3.x 22:08 Pulec too bad there is no option for archlinux on my provider 22:09 est31 Pulec, if you have root access, you can install every distro you want 22:09 est31 also, you can download minetest yourself, and compile it 22:11 Nitori I love debian 22:11 Nitori I'm using sid 22:11 Nitori but might not be recommended for a server 22:15 Nihao Pulec: You can try this for MT 0.4.11: http://pastebin.com/DPEs8rki 22:15 Nihao It works well on my PCs. 22:15 Pulec sid? 22:16 Pulec well I thought about building it from source 22:16 Nihao Pulec: That is what it does....just rad first. 22:16 Nihao read* 22:19 Pulec well by riding the commands in the script it does pretty much the same stuff as http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest 22:20 Nihao OK, so you know how to resolve the problem before even compaining :) 22:22 Pulec I will probably switch to centos anyway 22:22 Pulec anybody running server with only 256MB ram? 22:48 est31 Hello somebody has asked ingame whether the Craig server is discontinued. Does anybody know sth? 23:42 Pulec http://dfkl.eu/static/map.png 23:42 Pulec nice python script 23:54 est31 Pulec, try minetestmapper-cpp its faster than python 23:55 est31 and, if you want sloppy maps, try my project: https://github.com/est31/leaftest 23:55 est31 in live: http://alket.mooo.com/map 23:57 Pulec i was just trying out https://gist.github.com/MarkTraceur/998260 script 23:57 Pulec note that it didnt worked :D 23:57 VanessaE I still need to set that up on mine 23:57 Pulec yeah live maps are bit more advanced 23:58 Pulec as I said I have only 256MB ram, so I dont except anything longterm 23:58 Pulec epecially when we have community build minecraft server with 16gb of ram 23:58 VanessaE time to buy more :) 23:59 est31 no, mine is not live 23:59 Pulec and another 16gb of ram, but there were some problems with the machine 23:59 est31 with "live" I meant that you can try it out there 23:59 est31 MT-sattelite is live map 23:59 est31 but as it seems it only supports redis