Time Nick Message 00:00 ekem Inocudom <3 u! 00:00 VanessaE Inocudom: society is going down the tubes because people stopped caring about each other 00:00 VanessaE it has exactly fuck all to do with tv or music 00:00 ekem there is indoctrination and psycology at play in all media 00:00 ekem to creat social order and create consumers 00:00 Hirato the media lies 00:01 ekem but its not lizard people mind control illumonot 00:01 Inocudom Yep, that too, which said music and tv help with. 00:01 ekem oh i spelled that wrong 00:01 ekem ilomanunti 00:01 Hirato lurmanardie 00:01 VanessaE Inocudom: if you think music helps with that, you don't listen to enough music. 00:01 ekem owloomanotigri 00:01 VanessaE and if you think tv is the cause, you don't talk to enough people in the real world. 00:01 ekem although we could be wrong and the lizard people have won already. 00:02 ekem i used to work with a guy who listened to coast to coast with art bell relgiously. i remembered a famous episode where someone called in claming to be a time traveller 00:02 ekem i proceeded to tell max, who was a veteran living in the woods with many weapons, that i was a time traveller, sent back to protect and guide him 00:03 ekem i brought up the called to art bell 00:03 ekem his eyes got really wide 00:03 ekem he asked me what his name was, i guessed like john cause why not 00:03 ekem apparently i was right, you could see this old timers wheels turning, like holy shit, this kids is a fucking time traveller 00:04 Inocudom Just look at Minetest; the vast majority of people use crappy mobile ports/play on base game servers. And rather than build, they just dig random stuff and kill others. 00:04 ekem i eventually couldnt help but smirk like an asshat, and he lightened up 00:04 VanessaE Inocudom: no different than kids were in the last generation 00:04 VanessaE they just used sticks and stones instead of mouse clicks and phones 00:05 Hirato spelling illuminati that badly reminded me of this http://i.imgur.com/aCtRL3x.jpg :/ 00:05 Inocudom And in fps, custom player models are, for the most part, a thing of the past. Most players just want to be invincible gods now. 00:05 ekem Hirato++ 00:05 VanessaE Inocudom: again, same as last generation. back then, it was cheat codes. 00:06 VanessaE Inocudom: you're trying to draw a conclusion that does not exist. 00:06 Hirato now we pay for cheat codes 00:06 VanessaE people today are the same as they were a generation ago, and a generation before that 00:06 Hirato cheat code DLC 00:06 VanessaE the only difference is how those people express themselves 00:06 VanessaE not whether they actually DO 00:06 * Hirato wishes he was joking 00:06 ekem http://onebit.us/x/i/53W0O9GXds.jpg 00:07 ekem the dark ages have fallen once more 00:07 Hirato oh man, where did I put this one 00:08 Hirato https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/lolcrap/LaB0kRN.png found it 00:09 ekem lol 00:09 VanessaE *facepalm* 00:10 Hirato that dropbox folder is full of such idiocy 00:11 Hirato https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/lolcrap/ss%20%282014-06-08%20at%2011.11.01%29.png 00:12 Inocudom I am really getting tired of winter. I am tired of the constant windstorms that keep me up all night, the constant rain, the constant ice. 00:12 VanessaE Inocudom: you need to learn to relax then 00:12 VanessaE or move to a warmer climate. 00:13 Hirato I hear Arizona's pretty nice :3c 00:13 ekem http://www.npr.org/2014/01/12/261437992/lessons-on-blindness-for-the-benefit-of-those-who-see 00:13 Inocudom Of course, summer is just as bad, if not worse, what with its storms, bugs, and heat. 00:13 ekem i think thats the one 00:13 SylvieLorxu Hirato: Are playtesters hired on their stupidity? 00:13 ekem basically talks about how coddling those with vision impairement leads to them not developing other skills to help them percieve the world 00:13 Hirato SylvieLorxu: who knows, would explain why games have just gone down the toilet after the 90's 00:14 ekem same things happens to everyone in society, too many easy paths that dont give people the opportunity to develop critical thinking 00:14 Inocudom There are dangers and disasters everywhere though. 00:15 VanessaE Inocudom: so leave PA. sucky state for winter weather. 00:16 Inocudom February, you don't experiece winter's true might until that month. 00:17 Inocudom There is no way we could move. I wise man learns to accept facts. He learns to accept that some things really are impossible. 00:18 VanessaE a wise man accepts facts. a wiser man uses those facts to change his situation. 00:19 Inocudom I learned to do so with Sauerbraten, Freeminer, Urban Terror. 00:19 VanessaE if my husband and I, with a combined income equivalent to a single full-time minimum wage job, could move from Virginia and PA to Florida, to Missouri, to here in NC, so can you :P 00:20 Inocudom How did in the world did you manage that? 00:20 * tim_flatus attempts to join in but is laughing too much 00:20 ekem here tim_flatus, i think i found your sides outside my house 00:20 LazyJ Ah, VanesaE, perhaps you'll know the answer. 00:21 LazyJ And, no, you can't run and hide. ;)- 00:21 VanessaE by saving up some money, and just deciding it was time to gtfo, and taking out a small (less than $1000) loan. 00:21 * VanessaE runs and hides. 00:21 VanessaE what's up, LazyJ ? 00:22 LazyJ So.... normalmaps. What difference is there between having normalmap images in the texture pack vs using Minetest's normalmap toggle setting? 00:22 ekem did you know a bee hive can get up to 90 degrees as the bees vibrate to keep warm? you can save a ton on your heating bill by installing a bee hive in your living room 00:22 Inocudom You know a windstorm is powerful when its very sound rattles the house. 00:22 ekem 3Think Green! 00:23 LazyJ Is it worth creating normalmaps or just letting Minetest handle it? 00:23 Inocudom Normalmap images allow for parallax occlusion (3d effect.) 00:23 VanessaE LazyJ: the "normalmap" setting in minetest, as distinct from "bumpmapping", generates on-the-fly normalmaps from the regular textures using a sort of "sobel" edging effect. the "bumpmapping" setting just enables the use of the normalmaps you supplied in the texture pack, which will have been generated by G*d only knows what steps, as the author of them dictates. 00:24 LazyJ What I'm contemplating is creating normalmaps in GIMP for the texture pack I use. 00:24 tim_flatus But is it worth creating them? 00:25 LazyJ That's what I'm wondering. 00:25 VanessaE LazyJ: do that, and enable "bumpmapping", but do NOT enable "normalmaps" 00:25 tim_flatus and what orientation should they be? 00:25 * Sokomine tries to avoid ekem's living room 00:25 VanessaE whether it's worth creating normalmaps depends on your textures I guess 00:25 LazyJ I've tinkered with a couple images. I can push the 'bumpiness' farther but for a lot of images, it's really not that great of a look. 00:26 tim_flatus OK 00:26 Inocudom I felt rather sick this morning. Linked to the storm, perhaps? 00:26 LazyJ Which is easier for Minetest to handle (barring the GPU's strength)? 00:30 VanessaE Inocudom: more likely stress, or.... I dunno...you're just sick? 00:30 VanessaE how about not linking shit together that has no causal relationship 00:30 tim_flatus The mind is a very powerful thing ... 00:30 VanessaE LazyJ: plain normalmaps generated in gimp (or use insanebump/crazybump or whatever it's called) 00:31 Inocudom Symbolism is the oldest language there is. 00:32 Inocudom Does anybody know that the United Nations called this the Year Of Light? What is the reasoning for doing so? 00:32 LazyJ Inocudom, hot chicken broth in your mug and oranges in your hand. 00:32 VanessaE LazyJ: once they're generated and made active, either one is the same amount of GPU/CPU effort, but it does involve CPU effort for the generate-normalmaps mode to actually create them at startup 00:32 Inocudom I only have coffee I'm afraid. 00:32 tim_flatus Inocudom I could take your arguments apart point by point but that would be way OT for this channel. 00:32 LazyJ Or kiwis. Those pack a lot of good stuff in a little package. 00:32 tim_flatus You are right about symbolism though 00:33 VanessaE Inocudom: probably nothing but politics. this is also the year of the goat according to the Chinese zodiac 00:35 tim_flatus Is it already? did I miss the new moon? 00:35 LazyJ If I've learned anything over the decades it's not to get too worked up over "symbols". 00:36 VanessaE I just checked, that's it now, or what's coming once the chinese new year celebration ends I guess 00:36 tim_flatus In four days ... 00:36 VanessaE yeah 00:36 VanessaE I was just rounding it up. 00:37 tim_flatus I assume you're familiar with lunisolar calendars ... 00:37 VanessaE vaguely so 00:37 tim_flatus My specialist subject 00:37 VanessaE Hebrew calendar is also 00:37 tim_flatus Exactly 00:37 LazyJ It is one thing to use a symbols as a gesture of respect (honoring the flag, for example) but entirely another thing if the symbol is taken to extremes by extremists. 00:38 tim_flatus You need to get the context right. You can't mix graeco-Rooman with Hebrew 00:38 LazyJ And with that, I'm ducking out of the conversation. 00:38 * VanessaE burns LazyJ's symbol in effigy :P 00:38 LazyJ Thanks for the normalmap advice VanessaE ;) 00:38 tim_flatus Well, you can and you get Christianity 00:38 tim_flatus and I'll stop there probably 00:38 LazyJ NOoo!! Not the holy donut! 00:41 VanessaE jk 00:45 VanessaE well there goes the power, flickering 00:46 VanessaE good thing I have good UPS's. 00:47 Inocudom VanessaE: That power could go out you know. Those winds are quite strong. 00:47 VanessaE oh well. 00:47 VanessaE if goes out, it goes out. 00:48 miner67 hi 00:48 VanessaE if it gets too cold, we get in the car and drive to somewhere that's warm. 00:49 * est31_ experiences how undeterministic mapgen is 00:49 Sokomine lazyj: don't do too much honorinig the flag when us germans are present. for us, that may seem as if you're a dangerous madman :-) and yet it's perfectly normal in your country 00:49 est31_ on trepca, there is a public forest which gets reset every now and then using //deteleblocks 00:49 Sokomine power flickering? 00:49 est31_ which triggers mapgen 00:49 miner67 i was wondering why when i play this game it spawns nothing but coal and cobble 00:49 VanessaE Sokomine: imho, to hell with honoring just a flag. that's just dumb. 00:50 Sokomine est31: it ought to be deterministic i guess 00:50 est31_ there is a lake in which the players spawn, and the lake changes shape on every re-run of the mapgen 00:50 VanessaE miner67: add some good mods and make a new map. plantlife and technic will add all kinds of stuff 00:50 VanessaE +moreores 00:50 est31_ in fact its a lake under a platform with a travelnet 00:50 Sokomine VanessaE: no, beeing afraid of people honoring the flag is a german thing. it was easy to say that removing the symbols would also remove the mentality. so the easy thing was done back in the past 00:50 est31_ sufficient depth is required 00:51 miner67 soi havetoadd mods to make the map better 00:51 Sokomine est31: that's strange. are there any other mods involved? 00:51 VanessaE Sokomine: well yeah I agree with that, but I stand by my statement that blindly honoring "a flag" is dumb. 00:51 est31_ Sokomine, I dont think there are any mapgen mods. 00:51 est31_ its mostly minetest_game 00:51 LazyJ My brother is active duty military. For him and his fellows, the flag means a lot. I just chose it as an example that I thought everyone would have an easier reference too. 00:51 Sokomine vanessae: that as well :-) 00:52 miner67 there is not trees 00:52 VanessaE for example, our schools strongly encourage our kids to recite the "pledge of allegiance", which starts out "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the US and to the republic for which it stands"... 00:52 Sokomine est31: a travelnet in a world that's generated by mapgen? it's doable, but i know of no such mod that places travelnets 00:52 VanessaE s/US/USA/ 00:52 est31_ nono, the travelnet doesnt get generated by mapgen 00:53 est31_ the //deletenlocks just doesn't catch it :) 00:53 VanessaE miner67: don't use mapgen v7. 00:53 Sokomine LazyJ: diffrent cultures. and ours are still so similar we sometimes forget. gets more complicated with people from other cultures i'm afraid 00:54 Sokomine eleteenlocks? 00:54 LazyJ True. 00:54 Sokomine but you're right that it's not the symbols but what we make out of them 00:54 miner67 when kind of mods would you recommend for this game 00:54 Sokomine depends. what do you like, miner? 00:54 est31_ Sokomine, if you are interested you can join trepca server. 00:54 est31_ alket.mooo.com port 3000 00:55 est31_ 30000* 00:55 miner67 i like trees grass and animals because there is none of that 00:55 alket is that what mrcraft reported ? 00:55 Sokomine est31: i'd rather like to hear more about your experiments. so far i tought mapgen always created the same landscape. at least core mapgen. mods are a diffrent matter. it does give me a headache to get the villages to be deterministic 00:56 Sokomine miner: use dreambuilder. that comes with mods from the eden modpack and creates a beautiful landscape. mobf is also very nice. it can be run alongside other mods that spawn more diffrent creatures 00:56 Sokomine i'm not up to date as to which mod comes with the most mobs. one has bees and the like - they're very nice 00:57 Sokomine for trees, moretrees is very fine. that's included in dreambuilder as well 00:57 miner67 ok thanks for the support :) 00:57 est31_ and there is still weird random blocks spawning, mostly loops 00:57 Sokomine loops? 00:57 Sokomine you mean - like stone loops? 00:57 Sokomine up in the air? 00:57 est31_ cobble and mossy cobble yes 00:58 Sokomine i sometimes have that as well. iirc that's a failed dungeon 00:58 est31_ are there actually dungeons? lol 00:58 Sokomine yes, you can enable them. they're connected rooms made out of cobble/mossy cobble. they're empty 00:59 Sokomine mobf has (had?) dungeon masters which came with their own dungeons 00:59 tim_flatus Yes that's a failed dungeon. I quite like them in an odd kind of way 00:59 Sokomine once, they had settled the whole area in a singleplayer world of mine. that was a bit much. sapier reduced the probability for their appearance, and i havn't seen one since 00:59 Inocudom I am just going to let you guys know right now. I heard that in the future, a license will be required for internet access. Seems like a few years off, but still. 01:00 Sokomine inocudom: there are a lot of politicions who seem to want that. still, it's not that far yet 01:00 Inocudom Why do the nastiest, most powerful windstorms have to happen at mkidnight? 01:01 tim_flatus I use a stripped down version of paramat's mapgen for v7 it works rather nicely. 01:01 Sokomine there might be a reason for that. the evening with it getting cooler might create wind. but i'm no expert 01:01 tim_flatus Yes temperature differentials 01:02 tim_flatus And cosmic rays, naturally ... 01:02 Sokomine and it might also be more impressive to hear a storm at night when you can't see too far 01:02 tim_flatus Like rain in a tent always sounds horrendous 01:02 Sokomine but those cosmic rays are the same day and night? probably even stronger during the day due to the sun shining? 01:02 tim_flatus And then you leave the tent and realise it's only softing 01:03 Sokomine oh yes. that might be a huge effect 01:03 tim_flatus I wasn't serious 01:03 Sokomine :-) 01:04 Sokomine but we probably ought to find a way to cheer inocudom up. i don't know much about those storms...the weather is pretty tame over here most of the time 01:05 Inocudom The cheering up will have to wait till Monday. Right now, I am focused on surviving the cold. 01:06 Sokomine does it only feel cold, or is there a real threat? 01:07 Sokomine we once had a party in an empty house that was for sale. it was below zero outside - and the host did not know how to operate the heating system :-(. we ended up using the fireplace...the house had one. but it was still very cold, and i didn't move away too far from the fire 01:09 Hirato turn yourself into an android 01:10 Inocudom I thought Hurricane Sandy was the worst windstorm I ever experienced. What's out there right now rivals even that. I am experiencing the most powerful windstorm I have ever, ever seen in my life. 01:10 tim_flatus It's pretty natural to feel anxious when faced with survival issues 01:10 Hirato it's time to enter the nuclear bunker 01:11 Inocudom Thunderstorms are a joke. A pathetic joke. What's out there right now is the real deal. 01:12 tim_flatus And yeah we get it easy in Northern Europe ... 01:13 est31_ or central europe 01:15 * Sokomine nods to tim_flatus and est31 01:16 Sokomine inocudom: over here, if there's a storm, most of the danger seems to arise form people beeing hit by falling branches, trees or shingle. inside the house, it's as save as ever 01:17 Inocudom Britain gets it pretty hard from what I hear. 01:17 tim_flatus We don't get real hurricanes 01:18 tim_flatus Particular;y not if you're inland 01:23 VanessaE Inocudom: unless you've got a tornado about to rip through your house, I'm sure you're not experiencing anything particularly dangerous 01:24 Inocudom Yes, but the violence, the turbulance I am hearing out there right now... Only brief moments of thunderstorm rival it. Nothing else compares in my life. 01:24 VanessaE blah 01:25 VanessaE "That? Those were just downdrafts and microbursts." 01:26 Inocudom How loud it is... How its very noise shakes the ground and the house. I remember nothing of the sort around here in the past, and such storms are becoming the norm. 01:26 VanessaE dude, I've wind gusts sounding like they wanna blow the house over, and limbs falling onto my roof right now. Hell the power just blinked out for several seconds, a minute ago 01:26 tim_flatus Are you two in the same part of the sataes? 01:27 tim_flatus I can't type anymore ... 01:27 VanessaE tim_flatus: he is in Pennsylvania, I'm in Western North Carolina 01:28 Inocudom Oh, if only we could move. But where too? Fierce windstorms and earthquakes strike the Midwest, and the northwest has volcanoes and fierce storms. Doesn't matter where you go, every place has its devil. 01:28 tim_flatus My concept of distances in the states is a bit skewed. 01:28 Inocudom And yes, that is what the winds at my house sound like, VanessaE. Never seen anything like it before. 01:29 tim_flatus I assumed that someone from Dallas would have been to Austin, until someone explained that Texas is half the size of France 01:29 VanessaE tim_flatus: around 800 km between him and I 01:30 * tim_flatus does a quick mental calculation ... 01:30 VanessaE Inocudom: I've seen it many times. I stood out on my balcony and watched as hurricane Charlie blew through my area in Florida at the time, 60 mph winds blowing things around 01:30 VanessaE tim_flatus: 490-odd miles. 01:30 tim_flatus Here to Edinburgh roughly speaking 01:30 Inocudom Yeah, but that's in Florida. That is normal there. 01:31 tim_flatus How exciting :-/ 01:31 VanessaE Inocudom: yep, and when I was still living in the midwest, which is is where I was born and raised, tornadoes were the common thing there. 01:31 Inocudom That is not normal in Pennsylvania. 01:31 VanessaE (though I'd never want to meet up with one) 01:31 tim_flatus I did once get caught in a force 9 gale. That was quite weird. 01:31 VanessaE actually, it is normal in PA too, just rare. 01:32 VanessaE even NY got hit with a tornado recently. Brooklyn, 2010. 01:43 tim_flatus Time to build something really strange 01:43 VanessaE ? 01:43 Inocudom Yep, here's the pressure bar map for the USA. Looking quite bad where I am at: http://www.usairnet.com/weather/maps/current/barometric-pressure/ 01:49 tim_flatus OK I think I don't quite understand worldedit 01:50 tim_flatus I want to make a large hollow sphere very deep in the map. I thought I only needed to set //pos1 but apparently that's wrong 01:55 tim_flatus I think I have managed to make a solid sphere :/ 01:56 tim_flatus nm 02:03 VanessaE oops, there went my power. 02:03 Sokomine tim_faltus: same here. it's all so far apart. they may say that it's close together, but... 02:04 VanessaE and it's back. 02:04 Fatih_ Hello? 02:04 VanessaE hi. 02:05 Fatih_ Hey, can anyone help me? I found out about Minetest since I searched about if MCraft would be faster in C++ or C#. 02:05 Fatih_ As i found, I used a 256x TP and my game is pretty smooth compared to MC. 02:05 Sokomine ah. welcome, faith. we do think it is :-) at least on my machine 02:05 * VanessaE wonders which 256px pack it was ;) 02:06 Fatih_ Now, I have my PC running on Japanese Unicode since I play A LOT of JP games 02:06 Fatih_ (sphax) 02:06 VanessaE oh he 02:06 VanessaE heh 02:06 Fatih_ So, as I played for the first time, the game was in japanese. 02:06 Fatih_ So yeah, I'm wondering, how can i change it to english? 02:06 Sokomine vanessae: power failure? those are very rare over here. they happen sometimes, but usually it's in the night, and the only thing one notices (if anything) is that the clocks are blinking and wanting to be set...and the computer has rebooted 02:07 VanessaE Sokomine: yeah, it's pretty windy here. of course, a squirrel could fart on the power line and it would go out :P 02:08 VanessaE Fatih_: minetest uses whatever your OS's locale is I guess 02:08 Fatih_ So Im gonna have to switch my locale? :( 02:08 VanessaE Fatih_: yep 02:08 Fatih_ Darn 02:09 VanessaE wait 02:09 Fatih_ Well, Since i recognise some japanese words, Ill try to find out on my own. 02:09 VanessaE you can override it I think 02:09 VanessaE language = en 02:09 VanessaE in minetest.conf 02:09 VanessaE or maybe US_en ? 02:09 VanessaE fiddle with that 02:09 Fatih_ Ah 02:09 VanessaE or en_us 02:10 VanessaE I forget what the official name is for it 02:10 VanessaE # Override language. When no value is provided (default) system language is used. 02:10 VanessaE # Check "locale" directory for the list of available translations. 02:10 Fatih_ nothing in the conf 02:11 Fatih_ Should I just remove all other locales in the folder? 02:11 Fatih_ or will i have no text? 02:11 VanessaE no need to remove anything, just add that setting to minetest.conf 02:12 VanessaE language = en_us maybe 02:12 VanessaE or something like that 02:12 Fatih_ ill try 02:12 Fatih_ anywhere? 02:12 VanessaE anywhere in minetest.conf yeah 02:12 VanessaE at the end is find 02:13 Fatih_ ill use uk since i dont see anything similar to english 02:13 VanessaE try it and see :) 02:13 VanessaE is fine* 02:13 Fatih_ Yay! It worked! 02:13 VanessaE yay :) 02:14 Fatih_ Well, it works, but I keep saying character conversion failed... heh... 02:14 VanessaE you probably need to build against gettext or something 02:15 Fatih_ Well, thanks anyways, Vanessa! 02:15 VanessaE of course I wonder if it isn't better to set your machine's locale back to normal and force Japanese locale in your other games instead 02:16 VanessaE meanwhile, file a bug report please 02:16 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new 02:17 Fatih_ What should I say though? 02:17 VanessaE Just write what you were trying to do, why your system is configured like it is, that you overrode the locale in minetest.conf, and that it resulted in those "conversion failed" errors 02:17 VanessaE (I've seen those before too, but not in this sort of situation) 02:18 VanessaE tell what works, what doesn't, and what you expected 02:18 VanessaE try to be thorough, give a brief rundown of how to reproduce the errors 02:21 est31 was japanese unicode born because of CJK unification? 02:21 Inocudom Yeah, this windstorm is downright wicked, and it will only get worse as the night goes on; it is a very long-lived one. 02:22 est31 unicode not uni at all :/ 02:22 VanessaE noi idea 02:22 VanessaE -i 02:40 est31 the minetest.delete_area isn't as safe as thought 02:41 est31 completely ruined my spawn area :( 02:41 est31 just wanted to restore some desert sand 02:42 est31 and the stupid thing just filled everything else too -- with dirt 02:42 * est31 is angry 02:42 VanessaE sounds like it triggered the mud reflow code? 02:43 est31 mud reflow? 02:43 VanessaE yeah 02:43 est31 lol 02:43 VanessaE a terraforming routine that runs right after the initial terrain is generated 02:43 est31 awww 02:44 est31 and it even made trees 02:44 VanessaE it tries to "smooth" the terrain a bit, eliminating spikes and such 02:44 est31 but why do mud reflow for areas that didnt get deleted 02:44 est31 its just so bad 02:44 VanessaE because it goes off into neighboring blocks also 02:44 VanessaE idk how it works though 02:44 est31 everything ... covered in mud 02:45 est31 minetest.delete_area just isn't safe yet 02:49 VanessaE "/deleteblocks here" seems to be reliable though 02:49 VanessaE just played around a bit with it 02:49 VanessaE even plantlife seems to work right with it :) 02:49 VanessaE (I think) 02:50 est31 it did remove the stuff 02:50 est31 but unfortunately also triggered mud reflow for areas it wasnt supposed to 02:50 VanessaE it reset the block to its natural state, then trees appeared (then plantlife went through and repopulated it) 02:50 VanessaE but I'm not working in a built area, just my test map 02:50 est31 do that in a built area 02:51 VanessaE no :) 02:51 est31 I mean it wasnt precisely a build area 02:51 est31 I just removed something from a desert 02:53 est31 and this has to happen with my shitty 64 k internet :( 02:55 est31 I'm impressed you can play MT at those internet speeds at all 02:56 est31 and mud reflow not just covers in mud, it actually removes stuff 02:57 Bradford e_e 02:57 Bradford xd 02:57 Bradford Polsaker: xd 02:58 VanessaE est31: the "removes stuff" is probably cavegen griefing 02:58 est31 it got replaced by mud 02:58 VanessaE hm 02:59 est31 cavegen only replaces by air 02:59 est31 I had that too 02:59 VanessaE no idea then :) 02:59 JoeInNH Hi VanessaE. I modified Pipeworks to pump lava through the normal pipes. It works with spigot and furnace. It also has flowing lava from the spigot. Would like the changes 03:00 est31 its just a "feature" of mud reflow to actually replace with mud 03:00 VanessaE JoeInNH: as long as your changes were made against the new_flow_logic branch 03:00 VanessaE and are able to coexist with existing water-flow also 03:01 JoeInNH Unfortunately, I made the changes to the a copy of the main branch 03:01 VanessaE ok, well hold off for now then 03:01 JoeInNH and they can co exhist with the water 03:01 VanessaE est31: are you able to test that branch? 03:01 Inocudom This is a thornews video about Winter Storm Neptune. Turns out that it is linked to a 7.5 earthquake in the Atlantic Ridge somehow: http://youtu.be/uNG6Ay0eowA 03:01 est31 you know, you type some command and it takes effect about 3 minutes later. thats 64 kbps internet 03:01 est31 not now sorry 03:01 VanessaE ok 03:01 * est31 has to clean up dirt 03:02 VanessaE Inocudom: knock it off, man. it's just a winter storm. not the first, won't be the last, and it ain't gonna be tied to an earthquake in the Atlantic Ridge. 03:03 VanessaE JoeInNH: if you could, try the new_flow_logic branch. see how it behaves (just with water - don't make any changes to it). I need testers :) 03:04 VanessaE I'd like to merge that to master sometime soon - from my own testing, it's at least feature complete relative to master, but works tons better in general 03:05 Inocudom Bye. 03:06 JoeInNH The way I changed it treats it seperately. I will take a look at the new_flow_logic branch. I believe I only changes 6 files (pipes, init, devices, flowing_logic, autoplace_pipes, and compat) 03:07 VanessaE wow, yeah you're gonna end up having to completely rewrite your lava upgrade for the other branch, as THAT branch is itself a complete rewrite of the flowing logic. 03:08 VanessaE anyway make sure you're at HEAD in both branches and that you have 0.4.11 (or better, a recent dev build) 03:09 coihue Hi people. Got MT 0.4.11 in ubuntu 14.04, doesnt get fullscreen 03:09 coihue how can I fix it? 03:11 JoeInNH I amtesting it on 4.11, but I don't have git installed on my windows system, so I just grabbed a zip file and tagged it with the date & time I grabbed it. 03:12 JoeInNH It's nice seeing a furnace with 99 blocks of lavain it 03:12 VanessaE coihue: minetest.conf, fullscreen = true 03:12 VanessaE (I think) 03:19 JoeInNH night everyone. 03:41 est31 today's lesson dont play around with minetest.delete_area 03:41 tim_flatus weird bug, Several new players have spawned at 0, 0, 0 despite spawn being set differently. Has anyone encountered this? 03:41 VanessaE tim_flatus: yeah, known glitch 03:41 VanessaE not sure why it happens 03:42 Sokomine character conversion failed? common sight on servers 03:42 tim_flatus The one who emerged fully claimed to be on a proper minetest client too 03:42 tim_flatus What does that mean Sokomine? 03:43 tim_flatus OK I'll have to do something to accommodate it I guess 03:44 Sokomine est31: mapchunks intersect a bit. they're usually 80x80x80 (5 mapblocks), but overlap 1 mapblock in each direction, so they go 16 nodes at each side into already generated terrain 03:44 est31 but minetest.delete_area only removes mapblocks, doesnt it 03:45 tim_flatus nm I can google 03:48 Sokomine tim_flatus: i'm not sure. i thought it might be umlaute and other national characters 03:48 Sokomine est31: hmm. and then they're gone, and need to be generated again? 03:48 est31 no, they just got covered in dirt 03:49 est31 and trees were planted too 03:50 est31 and actually there is some mod playing with mapgen: tenplus1's farming mod 03:50 est31 just not sure whether that one is determinsistic 04:16 tim_flatus Both characters had names in standard latin script. I built a stairway. 04:16 tim_flatus And a sign Douglas Adams would have beenproud of ;-) 04:18 ekem beward of the leopard 04:18 tim_flatus Right 04:19 tim_flatus Anyway gute nacht and nos da zzzz 04:25 grendal_prime hey daughter and her friends are playing a game, she is hosting (they are scattered all over the house) The daughter can fly, but the visitors to her world can not. is there a way to turn that on for everyone? 04:25 est31 grendal_prime, you can either try to do /grant playername fly 04:26 est31 or you can turn off the game and edit the auth.txt and turn it back on 04:26 grendal_prime hmm how do i get the terminal on that game? 04:26 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Uberi -> 03Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #72 from HybridDog/globalfix 13https:/ http://git.io/NiuI (152015-02-14T23:25:20-05:00) 04:26 MinetestBot 02[git] 04HybridDog -> 03Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: fix an error message 13https:/ http://git.io/NiuL (152015-02-14T23:10:21+01:00) 04:26 est31 just type t or f10 04:26 grendal_prime thanks ill give it a shot 04:26 est31 f10 is more terminallike 04:37 grendal_prime cool that worked thanks, i forgot at first you have to press k but kid figured that out 04:39 est31 you can also set a "default_privs =" value in minetest.conf, but that only is effective for new players 04:41 grendal_prime ya i think we are done. they are building a hugeass castle..and everyone gets their own hottub. (14 year old girls) 04:41 grendal_prime horses on each side of the castle, corvette in every garage. 04:44 grendal_prime No dirty dishes or even sinks for that matter. massive flat, patio roof on top of the castle with a basketball cort and swimming pool. No supports underneath (someone needs to build a " structural reality check" module for this thing man. 04:45 est31 it enables to be more creative 04:45 est31 would make game harder otherwiser 04:46 grendal_prime ya, but..well...lets face it..it sucks when you work hard on something and your kids says, "well i built an entire castle in mintest and everything was totally simple dad!" 04:47 est31 flying is simple too in minetest 04:47 grendal_prime I have to admit though my daughters spacial awareness has greatly increased. 04:48 grendal_prime and we were poring some concrete the other day putting in a fence post and she says..."wait, that hole is round? ooooh ya, we can do that in this world!" 04:48 grendal_prime and dude it was a total moment, she actually had a "awww snap" about it and everything. 04:49 est31 lol 04:50 grendal_prime Shes funny as hell like that. 04:53 grendal_prime I was talking to this other parrent the other day about here ..and she she tells me, "you know my daughter was telling me how cool your daughter is the other day . she said " ya gracie just says words, they are not real words, i swear she makes them up on the spot! thing is everybody knows what shes talking about. We tell her all the time, (hey thats not a word) but she just says she doesnt care and goes on doin 04:53 grendal_prime g whatever the hell. 04:53 grendal_prime hehehe 04:57 est31 ShadowNinja, I'm not so sure anymore whether I really want the //deleteblocks command in worldedit anymore. 04:58 est31 people like me might just use it, and then comes mud reflow, and destroys everything :[ 04:58 grendal_prime hey guys 05:00 grendal_prime i teach at a charter school and the mentioned something about a minecraft educational edition. Like teching class in a minecraft environment. Have you guys heard of this and is this something minetest might be able to leverage? 05:01 grendal_prime it seems pretty whacky but minecraftedu 05:06 grendal_prime minetest on chromebook? 05:20 est31 mud reflow grief mostly repaired 05:46 est31 are old rollback logs deeted, or do I have to do this myself? 06:02 danthemango How is Minetest on Android doing? 06:03 danthemango Nobody tried it? ok then 06:27 Xenoth danthemango: It seems alright to me. Haven't updated my android build in a while. I'm on a 7 inch tablet. 06:28 danthemango oh cool, thanks 06:28 danthemango I guess I should try it out. Are there controls on the screen? 06:50 bleak_fire_ hi 06:51 bleak_fire_ there is an individual who is hacking servers to manipulate spawn locations and steal from protected areas 06:51 bleak_fire_ his name is "TriGer_Fear" and he has been harassing me on vitaminx's "pizza server" for a week now 06:51 bleak_fire_ but he just started hacking 06:51 bleak_fire_ i am trying to get a hold of someone who can ban him 06:54 bleak_fire_ home locations 06:54 bleak_fire_ i mean 06:54 bleak_fire_ like he will change it so he can keep pk'ing you 06:54 bleak_fire_ i thjink he actually did change the spawn location for me 06:55 CaveJohnson hi :) 06:55 bleak_fire_ hi 06:56 bleak_fire_ do you know? because i am incredibly pissed off 06:56 bleak_fire_ this guy has absolutely no life 06:56 bleak_fire_ oh yeah 06:56 bleak_fire_ he can also modify your teleport privileges 06:57 bleak_fire_ so you can only teleport to certain people, or not at all 07:13 CaveJohnson i don't, sorry bleak_fire_ 07:15 bleak_fire_ have you heard of anyone being able to do that? 07:23 bleak_fire_ well i just pm'ed vitaminx via the forum 07:24 bleak_fire_ hopefully he'll take care of this fucker 07:24 bleak_fire_ :) 07:25 bleak_fire_ hey do you know how to make the single-player mode not lose your items when you fall? 07:25 Krock disable the bones or disable damage 07:25 bleak_fire_ i found most of pizza's mods on the site and installed them 07:25 bleak_fire_ how do you disable bones? 07:26 Krock Comment out this line https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/bones/init.lua#L144 07:26 bleak_fire_ i'd rather have damage but not lose the items e.g. if i fall 07:26 Krock and the "end" two lines below 07:27 bleak_fire_ is there any easy way when you're using windows binaries? i dont have linux on my desktop anymore 07:28 bleak_fire_ also, does "disable damage" affect falls? 07:29 bleak_fire_ wait i see the lua is in the directory 07:29 Krock disable damage disables all damage 07:29 bleak_fire_ but there's no "mods/bones" directory 07:29 Krock yes, open the file with notepad++ or similar 07:30 Krock the "bones" directory should be in your subgame directory\mods\ 07:30 Krock Otherwise, you're using an other mod, like dropondie 07:31 bleak_fire_ \games\minetest_game\mods\bones 07:34 Krock depends if you use minetest_game or something else 07:34 Krock I guessed you do, thus, I've sent you that link to the official codes 07:35 bleak_fire_ i commented it out, let me try 07:55 bleak_fire_ yep that did it thank you 07:55 bleak_fire_ goodnight 07:55 bleak_fire_ time for bed 08:37 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ngosang -> 03minetest/minetest: Updated Spanish translations 135eb0eda http://git.io/Nihq (152015-02-15T09:36:28+01:00) 09:32 Krock sofar, almost done with my forum topic fetch script :D 09:33 Krock no no 09:33 Krock so far 10:05 Krock http://i.imgur.com/AQde0Js.png 11:03 alket is there a Letter mod , like A,B,C etc ? 11:04 ElectronLibre There is a mod called "classroom" or "learning" by sfan5 I think, there are letters and numbers written on nodes in it. 11:04 fishyWET https://github.com/Amaz1/letters 11:04 alket thanks 11:05 sfan5 ElectronLibre: "teaching" 11:06 sfan5 alket: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching 11:06 Krock how about alphabet? 11:06 ElectronLibre Ah, thanks, I knew it was about that. 11:24 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Only do the IPv6 unit test if IPv6 is enabled 133b6b943 http://git.io/NPrv (152015-02-15T12:20:37+01:00) 11:41 alket which one is better, fishyWET or sfan5 ? 11:41 alket i mean the mods 12:05 sfan5 alket: my mod does a bit more than just letters 12:07 alket thanks 12:16 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix unit test if there isn't a localhost address (for example FreeBSD jails) 13a3e2b3e http://git.io/NPQv (152015-02-15T13:11:03+01:00) 12:36 sfan5 alket: here's a video of the mod in action http://meow.minetest.net/tmp/ph_GCppPdO5C.mp4 12:37 alket sfan5: indeed, this is much better 12:37 alket thanks 12:38 Krock sfan5, wut? localhost is on version 0.4.7 and client on 0.4.9 12:39 sfan5 huh 12:39 sfan5 didn't even notice that 13:20 VanessaE good morning. 13:20 ElectronLibre Hello VanessaE. 13:21 VanessaE hey 13:34 est31 VanessaE, read mt-technic backlog, managed to test pipeworks 13:35 est31 found 3 flow logic related issues 2 general ones :) 13:37 VanessaE est31: ok 14:22 alket is there any kind of maping ? 14:22 alket like minimap etc 14:26 rubenwardy Hi all! 14:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix unit test if there isn't a localhost address (for example FreeBSD jails), second part 138aebc31 http://git.io/NXuw (152015-02-15T14:30:34Z) 14:36 Krock rubenwardy, u has got a reply 14:36 rubenwardy Huh? 14:37 rubenwardy What do you mean? 14:38 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10149&start=25 14:51 rubenwardy I saw that, Krock. Is the source for the bot anywhere? 14:51 alket is it possible to have a live feed of audio inside game xD 15:00 est31 about the mapping, yes there is a way 15:00 est31 search for "VanessaE survival server", you will find a map of VE's in the forum post 15:03 alket should we install it in our server ? 15:03 luizrpgluiz hi 15:05 est31 its only external, nothing in-game 15:12 alket ah , great 15:14 luizrpgluiz alket: hi,you create mod? 15:14 alket what do you mean luizrpgluiz 15:32 luizrpgluiz alket: if you create mods 15:33 alket I never did one 15:33 alket although I know lua, i did some projects with love2d 15:59 * NekoGloop throws a kitten at rubenwardy 16:00 * rubenwardy throws a capybara at NekoGloop 16:03 Jordach purr 16:05 est31 Jordach, watch out you dont get a DMCA takedown request! 16:05 ElectronLibre Be careful Jordach by purring you could be thrown by mistake as a kitten. 16:06 est31 or get flagged 16:06 est31 by YT 16:06 est31 as infringing 16:06 est31 https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-flags-cat-purring-as-copyright-infringing-music-150211/ 16:07 Jordach est31, tl;dr don't use younoob 16:08 est31 or dont purr 16:08 Jordach *opens spotify* 16:09 Jordach u wot m8 16:09 Jordach >there is a problem with your audio system 16:09 ElectronLibre YT flagging cats purring as copyright material, just insanely perfect. 16:10 est31 suits their bd 16:10 Jordach brb - need a force reboot 16:10 ElectronLibre (Or maybe, purr-fect.) 16:11 * ElectronLibre wins the award for the worst pun ever. 16:11 est31 purr* FTFY 16:14 SylvieLorxu ElectronLibre: Let me guess, sounded too much like Skrillex? 16:15 ElectronLibre Skrillex? Never heard about this, what is it? 16:16 Jordach nice job there AMD 16:32 est31 can anyboy explain me the line containing "VACUUM" in this file: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Server-scripts/backup-server.sh 17:06 olibec Bonjour tout le monde 17:07 olibec j'aimerais poser quelques questions de noob, c'est possible ? 17:08 ElectronLibre olibec, sur #minetest-fr en français oui. 17:08 ElectronLibre Ou ici en anglais. 17:08 olibec merci ! 17:31 rubenwardy It would be cool to do a collab youtube video. 17:31 Calinou we could have a cool trailer, with nice music 17:31 Calinou it'd be mostly traveling in nature and player builds 17:31 Calinou and showing off some mods 17:31 Calinou it could be featured on minetest.net homepage 17:32 Calinou videos on homepage are great to bring people 17:33 rubenwardy I wrote a script and started making it, but gave up because of painfulness. 17:33 rubenwardy No good video editor 17:34 rubenwardy I'll dig it up 17:34 alket openshot 17:34 alket http://www.openshot.org/ 17:34 rubenwardy That's the one that has the reputation for crashing? 17:35 rubenwardy I use kdelive, but it is painful when doing different resolutions and cropping 17:35 rubenwardy Oh, I've just moved to xfce. Can I still do kdelive? :O 17:36 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CxeUQROl3NkSGsLpZ2_U-paaBGLzK-mbr6aZzekwPJ8/edit?usp=sharing 17:37 * ElectronLibre remembers the time when minetest freezed your player whenever you got disconnected. 17:38 ElectronLibre It could be great if the client showed you a notification whenever there is no packet received since, let's say, 50 seconds.. 17:38 rubenwardy Maybe ten seconds 17:39 ElectronLibre Yes, why not, I've never been reconnected after 30 seconds, 10 I've already been. 17:49 Animetrom hi 18:03 rubenwardy Calinou, it would be cool to start a 3 week competition to get resources for an official Minetest trailer, to involve the community. 18:06 Calinou I have tons of free/libre music 18:06 Calinou rubenwardy, please, use something other than Google Drive 18:06 Calinou and its Obscurscript 18:06 rubenwardy I created that other a year ago. What would you suggest? 18:06 rubenwardy over 18:06 Calinou an Etherpad is enough 18:06 Calinou http://pad.riseup.net/ hosts some 18:07 Calinou hmm, pads not edited for 30 days ago away 18:07 Calinou https://public.pad.fsfe.org/ this one probably doesn't do it, but has no titles 18:08 rubenwardy https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/minetest-trailer 18:09 Calinou I'll put links to some music 18:09 Calinou you're probably not gonna like it though 8) 18:10 rubenwardy It can't have singing in it, IMO 18:10 Calinou I have instrumental music 18:10 rubenwardy But suggest away 18:10 rubenwardy Excellent 18:11 Calinou we don't necessarily need speaking in video 18:11 Calinou Minecraft had a video for a while, that had zero speaking 18:11 Calinou the one made for Beta 1.0 18:11 Calinou it should still be available on YouTube 18:12 rubenwardy That is true, but it is harder to get the idea of customisation and modding across. 18:12 rubenwardy Although it is better for foreign languages 18:12 rubenwardy We could graphically show how easy it is 18:13 rubenwardy And have a section where we repeatly install mods and show how the world varies. (we'd need a nice multiplayer world, and maybe time lapse) 18:13 Christopher-Were Hi. I'm having a little trouble understanding how to install player skins on Linux Minetest. Please would anyody be able to help me? 18:13 rubenwardy It would be cool to have splines and camera recording in Minetest at full HD. 18:14 Calinou use external recorders 18:14 Calinou built-in recorder is useful, but not necessary 18:14 Christopher-Were OBS works a treat for recording 18:14 Calinou also tricky to make and bloats the game 18:14 Calinou I use SimpleScreenRecorder 18:14 Calinou OBS is tricky to use 18:14 Calinou Christopher-Were, you need to use a mod to apply player skins on players 18:14 rubenwardy You'd need a 1080p screen in height 18:14 Christopher-Were SimpleScreenRecorder is good. OBS is till in alpha 18:14 rubenwardy to do 1080HD 18:15 Calinou this one is simple: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3587&hilit=player_textures 18:15 Calinou I have a 1080p screen 18:15 rubenwardy Okay. Cool. 18:16 rubenwardy How laggy is moving the player and orientation using a mod? 18:17 rubenwardy In terms of making a camera follow a preset path 18:17 ElectronLibre What? I exited minetest while my server was removing objects and I've got an error from builtin. 18:17 Calinou you can't smooth player orientation movement 18:17 Calinou so, don't count on it 18:17 Calinou I'd like a smooth mouse setting 18:17 Calinou although there could be system tools to emulate it regardless 18:19 rubenwardy Should I create a github issue about it to gain suggestions? 18:20 Calinou yeah, call it “Video-making options” 18:20 Calinou smooth mouse, freecam (should probably require noclip privilege) 18:20 Calinou freecam = move camera independently of player 18:20 Calinou also lock cam (move player, but not camera) 18:21 Calinou https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/wiki/Sites-that-run-Etherpad-Lite 18:21 Christopher-Were Thanks for the help Calinou, but after following the instructions the player textures still don't show 18:22 Calinou Christopher-Were, you need to name the textures with exact, case-sensitive player name 18:23 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2323 18:25 Christopher-Were I've made sure of that Calinou but still no luck I'm afraid 18:25 rubenwardy You installed and named correctly? (see /mods) 18:26 Christopher-Were I've got a texture pack installed and the player model from the texture pack doesn't show up either 18:26 rubenwardy the mod correctly 18:26 Christopher-Were but all the other textures do 18:29 Christopher-Were I'm sure I'll get there eventually, it's just these intructions aren't very straightforward 18:34 Calinou the mod is enabled? 18:38 Christopher-Were I think so, it says it's installed 18:41 Christopher-Were Oh it was installed but not enabled. Silly me 18:42 Christopher-Were Thank you all for being so patient with me. 18:57 rubenwardy Calinou, did I explain smooth camera sufficiently 18:59 Calinou Minecraft has a smooth camera mode (F8) 18:59 Calinou it would work very similarly 19:45 Christopher-Were Are there any guides or repos where i could get a hold of some player skins? 19:45 rubenwardy !g minetest avatar skin database 19:45 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8524 19:46 rubenwardy no 19:46 rubenwardy !g minetest skin database 19:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/ 19:46 rubenwardy That's it 19:46 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2325 19:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Add camera smoothing by rubenwardy · Pull Request #2325 · minetest/minetest · GitHub 19:46 rubenwardy Calinou ^ 19:47 Christopher-Were thanks ill take a look 19:51 Christopher-Were Just so you guys know. It's really difficult determining what info in out of date and which is still relevant on the wiki 19:58 Calinou rubenwardy, nice 20:14 rubenwardy http://youtu.be/wCkFRsCM0UY 20:14 rubenwardy Calinou ^ 20:14 rubenwardy !title 20:14 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Camera Smoothing in Minetest - YouTube 20:15 rubenwardy gtg 20:15 * Calinou youtube-dl 21:04 Azelphur I just got minetest running on my watch, hehehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MItj9AJbP4 21:05 alket Azelphur: haha nice :) 21:06 alket wait .. smart watchs are real ? 21:06 Azelphur indeed, I'm going to a gaming convention soon too, so tempted to skin it up to look like Minecraft and confuse a bunch of kids saying I have Minecraft on my watch 21:07 Azelphur alket: yes? 21:07 VanessaE yeah, they usually use a smartphone for the actual computing power though 21:07 Azelphur VanessaE: yes, but amusingly all android wear devices are actually running android underneath (with a bunch of stuff stripped out) 21:07 VanessaE Azelphur: adjust your gui_scaling setting minetest.conf and you should be able to get everything to size/fit right on the screen 21:07 Azelphur so as long as you aren't loading android UI libraries or anything, it'll run on the watch directly 21:08 VanessaE setting in* 21:08 Azelphur VanessaE: haha no way, well have to adb back in and try it out. Where would that be on android? 21:08 VanessaE I'm not sure off the top of my head, but you can also adjust it in the main menu, "Settings" tab - at least on PC 21:08 VanessaE but you may not be able to actually click on it if the UI is oversized there 21:09 Azelphur yea, those tabs aren't on the screen at all - no chance ;) 21:09 VanessaE and don't use adb to hack into it, just install a text editor like JOTA or so. 21:12 Azelphur VanessaE: in order to do that I'd need a keyboard as well, Android wear has the keyboard stuff stripped out. 21:13 VanessaE oh right :P 21:13 VanessaE in that case, adb away ;) 21:13 VanessaE (I only just got my first smartphone a few months ago, nevermind having a smartwatch) 21:14 Azelphur hehe 21:15 VanessaE of course that kinda begs the question: how do you search for apps to install, without a keyboard to type in queries with? :) 21:15 VanessaE (seriously, how DOES that work?) 21:38 Levan Good People of IRC chat, I have a question :) 21:39 catninja Levan: I hope it is not about the storm of neptune 21:40 Levan As far as internet information goes Minetest is the best open source alternative for minecraft,(I LOVE OPENSOURCE) So what I want to know is what is the difference between this two "games" because I really could not find a solid piece of information on this 21:40 Levan @catninja What is that ?? 21:41 VanessaE Levan: Minetest is its own unique, independent game engine written in C and C++, with Lua for the actual game content, while Minecraft is all Java I guess, so they're basically about as different under the hood as they can get :) 21:42 catninja Levan: sorry it was just some dude here yesterday that apparently drove the special bus, and I did not recognise you nick and feared for the worst ^^ 21:42 VanessaE gameplay is similar, with similar recipes, but when you start throwing mods into the mix, everything changes 21:43 VanessaE but Minetest ships with a fairly basic default "subgame" called minetest_game, with the expectation that you'll add mods to it to get the content you want 21:43 catninja Levan: yeah minetest is more of a "choose your own adventure" than minecraft 21:43 VanessaE yeah, that's one way to put it 21:44 VanessaE you can for example install custom subgames like Nodetopia, Dreambuilder, Carbone, and there are a bunch of others 21:44 VanessaE each one behaves differently 21:44 catninja and Lord of the test if you are a lotr fan 21:44 VanessaE yep that one too 21:44 VanessaE Realtest is another, Big Freaking Dig is another 21:45 VanessaE or you can just stick to minetest_fame and add a bunch of mods to it to customize it however you like. 21:46 Levan @VanessaE Thank you for the reply, but as far as I never got into the minecraft, I do not understand a lot about it, so the default features are the same and minecraft has a single player ( i remember it did not have one, it was all about exploring or something. did not it).So basically minetest does not have single player and minecraft has ?? 21:46 Levan @catninja OO I see :) 21:46 VanessaE minetest has singleplayer mode too 21:46 VanessaE that's where subgames and mods are useful 21:47 catninja Levan: but if you connect to a server the mods and games is choosen by the person hosting the server 21:47 VanessaE in multiplayer mode, the server you connect to decides what game or mods are in use (and it controls them - you don't have to install anything) 21:47 catninja VanessaE: (ops sorry) 21:47 VanessaE heh, two minds, same answer :) 21:48 Levan @VanessaE @catninja minecraft has a story mode or something ?? and Default minetest does not ?? so that is the difference right now ? 21:48 VanessaE Levan: that's a good assessment 21:48 catninja VanessaE: well I should let you speak first since you have the most experience ^^ 21:48 VanessaE but that's only one difference really 21:48 VanessaE I don't know anything about minecraft's story mode whatever that is 21:49 VanessaE except that there's some "the end" level 21:49 VanessaE with a big dragon or something 21:49 VanessaE minetest does not have a mode like that, but making a subgame geared toward that is probably doable. 21:50 VanessaE the game content is Lua, so anything you can code in Lua can probably run in Minetest as long as you can make the modding API do what you want 21:51 Levan @VanessaE @catninja Thank you guise for very useful information :) wish you the best of luck. I am going to grab the minetest now :) again thank you for the information 21:51 VanessaE have fun! :) 21:51 Levan :) 21:52 Azelphur VanessaE: you install apps from your phone 21:52 Azelphur generally don't use the watch for that :P 21:52 VanessaE ah 21:52 Azelphur that said, the watch does have voice input that works reasonably well 21:53 ulla hi 21:53 Azelphur VanessaE: the best thing I've seen so far is some guy installed dosbox and had it running Windows 95 XD 21:53 VanessaE hah 21:54 Azelphur ulla: hello 21:54 VanessaE well have fun with it 21:54 VanessaE bbl 21:54 ulla t i have a little problem whit my server 21:56 ulla i have set my modem net gear 2200 i have added string in .conf the server is announced but the ip is 0.0.0.0.0 30000 21:56 Trixar_za Azelphur: How? Dosbox can't run 32bit systems. The best you can do is Windows 3.x with Calmira to make it look like Windows 95 or XP 21:57 Trixar_za http://trixarian.net/doswin.png - http://trixarian.net/doswin2.png 21:58 Azelphur Trixar_za: not sure actually, I thought it was Dosbox, now I'm not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZx-LJH5J_I 21:59 ulla tpls someone can help me? 21:59 Azelphur Trixar_za: nah it says in the video he's using Adosbox 22:00 Trixar_za No, that's Windows 95 alright - how the hell 22:00 Trixar_za Now I want to try 22:01 Azelphur so you're a fellow guy who likes to try and install stupid stuff on watches 22:01 Trixar_za No, I'm the kind of guy that likes to do crazy stuff like install OSes in game emulators like dosbox :P 22:02 Azelphur ah hehe 22:02 Trixar_za installing* 22:02 Azelphur Trixar_za: I had a friend once that was pretty funny, he was running a NES emulator on a Gamecube emulator on a PC :) 22:03 Trixar_za Maybe the 16bit limit is a Windows 3.x thing and not a Dosbox issue 22:03 Trixar_za lol 22:03 Trixar_za I've run ScummVM on my phone and once on a friend's N64 22:04 chrisf Trixar_za: sure it can. [32bit support]. otherwise most later dos stuff wouldnt work either. 22:04 Trixar_za ... had to make a custom catridge for that last one. 22:04 Azelphur nice 22:05 Trixar_za No, those dos games used a 32bit enviroment that encased the game executable. That's how they got past that dos limitation. 22:05 Trixar_za Still, it should be possible if the OS supports it natively and doesn't need an external library to give it that ability 22:06 Trixar_za I wonder if long names work 22:09 Trixar_za http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=24936 22:09 Trixar_za Interesting - still you need to create hard drive images to force support 22:10 Azelphur hehe 22:11 Trixar_za Wait Wait 22:11 Trixar_za You can do it with Windows 98? 22:13 Trixar_za Because I don't need to go looking for a damn Windows 95 iso if that's the case - lol 22:14 Azelphur Trixar_za: huh? 22:15 Trixar_za I have the Win 98 SE cd 22:17 Azelphur I don't have a Windows 95 ISO laying about :P 22:17 Trixar_za ... apparently there's a version of dosbox for even my ancient phone. Now to resist the urge to install Winodws on it 22:18 Trixar_za me either - I'd have to buy or download it :/ 22:18 Trixar_za So installing Win98 is more convient since I already have it 22:27 ulla PLS help 22:28 ulla now i can connect in my server but no view in minetest list or client list? 22:29 ulla pls 22:32 ulla t pls help now i can connect in my server 93-42-171-123.ip87.fastwebnet.it but him is invisible in minetest server list and in client list on the game how is possible? 22:53 ulla t no help for me ? 22:54 shadowzone o.O 22:54 shadowzone pastebin your minetest.conf 22:54 ulla O-O 22:55 ulla O_o 22:55 ulla ? 22:56 ulla shadow yo help me pls? 22:56 shadowzone Maybe.. 22:57 ulla i have create a server now i can connect but i no view him in the list of server 22:58 shadowzone well can I see your minetest.conf? 22:59 ulla 93-42-171-123.ip87.fastwebnet.it this is adress 22:59 ulla i have set .conf 23:00 ulla server_announce = true My server = ITALIAN server By UllA server_description = ulla server server_address = 93-42-171-123.ip87.fastwebnet.it 23:01 shadowzone try adding public_serverlist = true 23:01 ulla after server_announce? 23:02 shadowzone Anywhere 23:02 ulla ok i try 23:04 ulla online now but invisible 23:08 ulla 93-42-171-123.ip87.fastwebnet.it if you wold can try connect ?pls . I HAVE connect whit my other minetest 23:08 shadowzone port please? 23:09 ulla 30000 23:10 shadowzone I can't connect 23:11 ulla is possible the problem is my provvider 23:11 ulla fastweb? 23:12 shadowzone I dunno 23:13 ulla ok ty too 23:13 ulla i retry tomorrow 23:15 ulla however it is strange I can not connect from the same PC with another minetest I installed 2 to try 23:17 ulla lol google translate i can connect :-) 23:18 catninja ulla: are you swedish? 23:19 ulla ita 23:22 ulla bb all 23:22 catninja ulla: ah, ulla is a swedish name 23:23 ulla isnt my name 23:23 ulla is my nickname in real life 23:24 catninja aha, thx anyway and good night ^^ 23:24 ulla t np a more time 23:24 ulla tgood night