Time Nick Message 04:15 Arch-TK exio4: Try linear algebra. 04:15 Arch-TK exio4: That's fun./ 04:16 Arch-TK exio4: But I'll try abstract algebra. 04:16 Arch-TK Also sounds fun. 04:20 Arch-TK Anywho. It's now 4am and I should probably go to sleep. 11:51 benoliver999 Or do I install client-side then run the server with it enabled? 11:53 lemonlake As far as I can tell call the texture pack 'server' 11:53 lemonlake and install it like normal on the server 13:16 jin_xi ay bloody shit. just tried gnome shell again. gnome3 must be a troll project 13:16 * jin_xi installs slackware 13:17 sfan5 gnome shell works good 13:17 sfan5 (on arch at least) 13:17 sfan5 (no i'm not using gnome shell all the time) 13:17 Jordach XFCE ftw 13:17 Yepoleb xfce! 13:18 jin_xi well, i dont agree with all its design decisions. as if i need space on my screen to see something when i can have a title bar oh and a desktop bar and all fans spinning like a heli 13:35 n4x gnome is a troll project 13:35 n4x they're trying to design the worst desktop environment that ever existed 13:44 benoliver999 I always wind up with XFCE if I need a DE, but otherwise I'm a full time i3 man. 13:45 n4x my "DE of choice" is KDE 13:45 n4x it does everything, is configurable, and pretty fast 13:48 benoliver999 In all these years I'm still to try it. 13:49 benoliver999 I don't change much because of the time involved 13:49 benoliver999 Although I do regret not trying i3 sooner after years of xmonad 13:49 benoliver999 It solves so many problems 13:49 * Fritigern hi-fives n4x 13:50 n4x what problems with xmonad? 13:50 SylvieLorxu KDE remains the choice for the kool kids 13:50 Fritigern benoliver999: Why not install a KDE-based distro like Kubuntu in a virtual machine to play around with it? 13:50 n4x what's the problem with xmonad? * 13:50 n4x I started liking KDE after I tried it in gentoo 13:51 benoliver999 No HUGE issues, but little things like full screen video out of a browser 13:51 benoliver999 Plus the haskell config is a pain 13:51 n4x haskell config sounds the opposite :p 13:52 benoliver999 You can tweak it to get it to work but i3 works out of the box as you'd expect it 13:52 benoliver999 Hmm I like plain text...! 13:53 benoliver999 Seriously I was on xmonad for like 4 years, It's really good. 13:53 benoliver999 Just i3 works better for me 13:53 n4x since I started writing haskell, I can't stand the lack of advanced static analysis on my programms 13:53 benoliver999 lol 13:53 n4x I don't feel confident with myself anymore 13:54 lemonlake n4x: that's not very good 13:54 benoliver999 To each his own is my main mantra, which is why I'm a linux user more than anything. It's all better than windows 8. 13:54 Zeno` The thing is... Qt == Awesome... GTK == Crap 13:54 n4x qt isn't awesome, it is just better than gtk 13:54 n4x but well, gtk is crap, so it doesn't take that much to be awesome compared to it 13:55 Zeno` yes, but given a choice between a qt-based DE and a GTK-based DE, the answer is clear 13:55 Zeno` same with apps :( 13:55 benoliver999 Sadly with apps you tend to get what you're given... 13:55 Zeno` gtk just looks yuck (IMO) 13:56 Jordach gtk's focus selection doesn't even work 13:56 Jordach gimp when selected stays behind windows even if in focus 13:57 benoliver999 gimp is also a reason I like i3 more... 14:06 marten_ hi folks :) i have a problem with the worldedit mod on linux mint. the "set" command does set stone, air, sandstone and cobble as well as cobblestone, but "desert_stone" doesn't work but will produce an error instead (as much errors as nodes to fill). is this a known issue or am i doing it wrong? also, i didn't find docs for this mod, don't know where this was installed to. are there any online? 14:08 Megaf I have just done a rm -rf * at my home 14:08 n4x you're bored, aren't you 14:09 Megaf It was an accident 14:09 Megaf Im pretty much fucked up now 14:09 Zeno` thank goodness for backups 14:11 Megaf Yep, At least all my software work is at github/dropbox and bookmarks are synced and photos are still on my cameras card 14:17 Arch-TK Megaf: Why are you pretty much fucked? 14:17 Arch-TK At least you didn't rm -rf /usr 14:18 Arch-TK or chmod -r 777 / 14:18 Arch-TK R* 14:19 Arch-TK then again, deleting user isn't that particularly scary when you can just boot into the system from a "live" cd, pacstrap pacman, chroot, pacman everything back into place and reboot. 14:21 Wayward_One marten, try //set default:desert_stone 14:21 Wayward_One *martin_ 14:21 Wayward_One grr lol 14:21 Wayward_One **marten_ 14:22 Arch-TK Wayward_One: Doesn't your IRC client have tab completion for nicknames? 14:23 Wayward_One yes, but i'm still getting used to using it instead of typing them lol 14:23 Wayward_One only discovered it recently :P 14:23 marten_ Wayward_One: wow great, this worked. thank you very much :) 14:24 Arch-TK Wayward_One: What IRC client do you use? 14:24 Wayward_One hexchat 14:24 Arch-TK It doesn't seem to respond to CTCP version. 14:24 Wayward_One marten_, you're welcome :) 14:24 Wayward_One hmm, weird... 14:24 Wayward_One i've been CTCP'd successfully before 14:26 n4x hah 14:26 n4x I fail 14:26 Wayward_One huh 14:26 n4x there, it answered 14:26 Wayward_One ah, ok 14:27 Arch-TK hmm 14:27 Arch-TK 10 second CTCP delay 14:27 Arch-TK interesting 14:34 exio4 \o/ got PSU 14:34 exio4 will switch to my new super-cool PSU now >:3 15:21 est31_ In my opinion, encryption isn't this important. 15:21 redstonecraftpl IT IS 15:22 est31_ There are two major issues: replay attacks on family members in the wlan, and replay attacks of users of other servers using the hashes from your own server. both can be solved without encryption 15:22 redstonecraftpl because if you are chatting with someone and for example sharing passwords or sharing information that you dont wanna share with everyone, someone could see it 15:23 redstonecraftpl est31_ it is true 15:24 est31_ ok for that issue, encryption is important. 15:24 redstonecraftpl it can be solved by shooting every computer. If you dont have many bullets, you can drag'n'drop every of it 15:24 OldCoder How does one PM in-game? 15:24 est31_ OldCoder you use mods 15:24 est31_ usually there is /tell user something or /msg user test. 15:25 Wayward_One OldCoder, or /irc_msg username 15:25 Wayward_One to pm someone in IRC 15:27 redstonecraftpl why not just /msg ?? 15:28 redstonecraftpl aa 15:28 redstonecraftpl sry 15:28 redstonecraftpl in minetest.. 15:30 Zeno` Sokomine, VanessaE, are either of you awake? 15:30 est31_ redstonecraftpl: I can live with not chatting about something very important OT ingame. If I have very important things to discuss, I use the channel to bootstrap a more secure channel eg skype. 15:32 redstonecraftpl skype isn't very very secure 15:32 est31_ you are right, but it is more secure than ingame chat 15:33 redstonecraftpl yep 15:33 redstonecraftpl even normal IRC is some secure too 15:33 est31_ and yes, bootstrapping isn't that a cool idea 15:34 est31_ IRC is secure from outsiders iff its encrypted. Its never secure from the server owner 15:37 Jordach this isn't #fsf 15:38 Jordach git off ma land 15:42 sfan5 est31_: you can't use the hashes directly 15:48 OldCoder Wayward_One, thank you 15:50 Wayward_One OldCoder, you're welcome :) 15:53 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Sapier at GMX dot net -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix rounding error in font size making main menu and in game font sizes inconsistent 13aaec558 http://git.io/_V-d4Q (152015-01-02T16:52:02+01:00) 15:54 exio4 :D 15:54 exio4 PSU - done 16:00 exio4 est31_, I heard it more like domain/codomain, domain/image 16:24 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Sapier at GMX dot net -> 03minetest/minetest: Speedup initial android startup on some devices by factor 10 or more 1335149a1 http://git.io/D01DuQ (152015-01-02T17:20:55+01:00) 16:25 Jordach wat 16:31 Wayward_One just wondering, any plans on an official Android version of 0.4.11 any time soon? 16:39 Megaf Arch-TK: because I have lost lots of files? 16:39 Megaf exio4: what PSU have you got? 16:40 exio4 www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001829 16:40 exio4 http:// 16:40 Calinou Thermaltake PSUs, lol 16:41 exio4 I heard the smart series was pretty good 16:41 exio4 and I was between sentey PSU or thermaltake PSU 16:41 Calinou most Thermaltake products are pretty bad, either noisy or ugly, or both 16:41 exio4 so.. 16:41 exio4 my case is neither ugly nor noisy 16:42 Arch-TK Megaf: Solution: Don't put files in your home directory. 16:42 exio4 Calinou, http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001951 take it! 16:42 Megaf Told you to buy a Cooler Master 16:42 Calinou CM makes good PSUs, yes 16:43 exio4 coolermaster psus were expensive 16:43 Calinou especially the G450M currently 16:43 Calinou €50, modular, quite quiet (:p) 16:43 exio4 the only fan I hear right now is the stock fan 16:43 * Arch-TK is running a Corsair TX550M 16:43 Jordach Calinou, u wot m8 16:43 exio4 which I am replacing soon(tm) 16:44 Jordach ThermalTake don't look too bad considering my tower is a gaming / media machine in disguise as a normal tower 16:44 Calinou Corsair is in general meh (mostly marketing), especially TX series… 16:44 exio4 and I bought a corsair cooler 16:44 exio4 10/10 16:44 Calinou Corsair makes CPU coolers? 16:44 Arch-TK yes 16:44 exio4 they do Calinou 16:44 Arch-TK HX series for watercooling 16:44 Calinou oh, right 16:44 Calinou not aircooling 16:44 Arch-TK And I don't know about air cooling 16:45 Calinou aircooling for the win ;) 16:45 Krock ^ 16:45 Arch-TK I have enough air cooling in this room 16:45 exio4 well Calinou, what is your opinion or the artic mx-4? 16:45 exio4 does it suck too? 16:45 Calinou good thermal paste, it's fine 16:45 Calinou although stock Intel thermal paste is nearly as good 16:45 Calinou you probably will gain 1-2°C only 16:45 Arch-TK Calinou: has tasted over 50 brands of thermal paste. 16:46 Arch-TK Calinou: which thermal paste goes well with chicken? 16:46 exio4 I have a cheap 10ARS thermal paste, so you have an idea 16:46 Jordach Calinou, i prefer aircooling 16:46 exio4 10 ARS = <1USD 16:46 Calinou Arch-TK, including chocolate and mayonnaise ;) 16:46 Calinou (mayonnaise is the a good alternate thermal paste, if you have nothing) 16:46 Calinou will be way worse than stock 16:47 Calinou but won't overheat either 16:47 exio4 I bought the corsair h60 because it was either this one or a stock-fan-replacement for the price range 16:47 exio4 1300 ARS isn't much 16:47 Arch-TK I find the TXM series corsair PSUs to be fine, good efficiency, quieter than my CPU fan / GPU fan 16:48 Jordach Calinou, is this a french thing 16:48 Calinou yes 16:49 Calinou “mayonnaise” is an English word too 16:49 Calinou exio4, cheap watercooling often is noisy and not too good 16:49 Calinou the only use is compactness 16:49 Calinou (or looks) 16:49 Brains I usually check a couple of review sites like SPCR when buying PSUs... Too many of them don't actually provide the output they claim and few review sites bother to test that. So people buy wildly overrated PSUs, overrated in what they claim and overrated in what is actually needed. 16:50 Calinou Arch-TK, noise isn't strictly additive, but even if your PSU is quieter than CPU / GPU, you'll still hear it 16:50 * Krock wonders when mayonnaise has to do with CPU cooler 16:50 Krock s/when/what 16:50 Arch-TK Calinou: Yes, but I don't hear it. 16:50 Calinou Brains, these days, the claimed powers are mostly right 16:50 exio4 Calinou, cheap watercooling is still better than stock fan 16:50 Calinou except on very cheap PSUs 16:50 Calinou Arch-TK, mine is very quiet too 16:50 Calinou I still hear it a bit, I have good ears 16:50 exio4 right now I only hear the stock fan, as I said 16:51 Arch-TK Yes, well, I have two computers running side by side and a youtube video to listen to. 16:51 Brains My GPU fans make the most noise these days... And getting a water block for 'em is pretty expensive. 16:51 * Jordach 's tower is almost silent, apart from the fan that's grinding against the fan filter 16:52 * Brains has wanted to go water cooled for a long time but hasn't found it affordable yet. 16:52 Sokomine when i bought the celeron i own now, i did choose it over an i3 or i5 mostly due to cooling beeing so easy. no worry about which big extra cooler to buy, how to fix it, which cooler paste to use etc...just plug in the cooler that came with the cpu. very quiet and easy to install :-) 16:52 Jordach Brains, it's worse payoff when the damn things leak 16:52 Jordach Sokomine, server almost up :) 16:52 exio4 Jordach, then don't but cheap stuff 16:52 Jordach exio4, they will all eventually leak 16:53 Jordach the more expensive the longer before it leaks 16:53 Calinou yes, GPUs are the noisiest thing today 16:53 Calinou although they improved a lot since 2012 16:53 Jordach Calinou, my 750ti wants a word 16:53 Calinou there are some fanless 750 Ti's out there 16:53 Jordach it's idling right now at 15c 16:53 exio4 room temp. 16:53 Calinou Sokomine, cooling an i3 isn't much harder than a Celeron 16:54 Sokomine jordach: i saw that picture with the kittens taking over :-) hope you'll soon release them for other mob mods as well. mobf needs them rotated by...er...i believe 270 degrees 16:54 Calinou an i5 is another thing… unlikely to be coolable fanless, except if you underclock it 16:54 Calinou stock cooler can be noisy even on a Celeron, if you're unlucky 16:54 exio4 right now my FX is idling at 50C... 16:54 Calinou a 20 € cooler will ensure that it's always quiet (eg. CM TX3 EVO) 16:54 Calinou my sensors claim a 22°C CPU package 16:54 Megaf Cooler Master, always the smartest solution 16:54 Jordach Sokomine, i halved all the digging times 16:55 Calinou Megaf, not always, but quite often :) 16:55 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Sapier at GMX dot net -> 03minetest/minetest: More consistent progress bar from 0-100 on startup 130db73bd http://git.io/sC-Hfw (152015-01-02T17:53:42+01:00) 16:55 Calinou Noctua is a good choice too for high-end 16:55 Sokomine hm, regarding gpus, i settled with the in-built. that'd have been better with an i5. i don't want an extra card due to its power consumption 16:55 Calinou but CM doesn't make the best cases ever 16:55 exio4 37~C in this room 16:55 Megaf Is sapier back? 16:55 Calinou whoa, here it's more like 17°C 16:55 Calinou Sokomine, IGPs are a good thing, they are enough for light gaming today 16:55 exio4 closed monodevelop which was using 100% in two cores 16:55 Sokomine calinou: the i3 doesn't seem to be that much faster. it mostly seems more expensive for little gain... 16:55 Brains Sokomine: I've got an i5-2500K OC'ed to 4.3GHz and you can't hear the tower cooler+fan over the PSU's fan. *shrug* 16:55 Calinou especially on Haswell / i7 16:56 exio4 cpu temp went to 43C :p 16:56 Calinou Sokomine, the best performance/price will always be a Celeron or a Pentium 16:56 Calinou (it can be a Pentium in some countries or at some times) 16:56 exio4 Calinou, I don't think so 16:56 Sokomine jordach: very good! the huge digging times where very annoying 16:57 Megaf Calinou: I thought performance/price was AMD land 16:57 Calinou nope, Intel doesn't have real competition sadly 16:57 Jordach Sokomine, even better news: clay, bricks and gravel have arrived 16:57 Calinou they keep AMD alive to not get sued, but other than that, AMD doesn't do much and still uses a lot of power 16:57 Brains Depends on the workload... Single task (unfortunately the majority) is where Intel is killing AMD at the momment. 16:58 Sokomine calinou: exactly :-) and it works fine most of the time. and if something takes longer (compiling etc.), then some waiting and doing something else inbetween is required anyway... 16:58 Calinou on multi-thread, an i5-4690 will be as good as a FX-8350… 16:58 Calinou both are at a similar price if you take into account the power usage and single-thread performance 16:58 * Jordach looks at his APU 16:59 Sokomine i'd still wish for larger view range in mt on said celeron with its igp :-) 16:59 Jordach Calinou, even when overclocking my fanless 750ti I STILL couldn't get it to hit greater than 30c 17:00 Jordach (i managed to hit 2.5x) 17:00 exio4 Calinou, "similar price if you take into account the power usage"? 17:00 Jordach it's that cold around here 17:00 exio4 I envy you Jordach 17:00 Sokomine even an i5 would not be *that* much better regarding single thread performance 17:00 VanessaE good afternoon 17:00 Sokomine hi vanessa 17:00 exio4 anyway, I have my CPU overclocked at 4ghz (and 4.2ghz turbo), and I still couldn't make my whole system use more than 300W 17:00 Jordach aftienoon VanessaE 17:01 Calinou Sokomine, performance improvements have landed in Git 17:01 Calinou try using a fixed view range like 80 or 100 17:01 Sokomine power is expensive. i don't want a system that consumes 300w. not even when playing 17:01 exio4 anyway, if I buy a GPU, it's going to be an AMD one 17:02 exio4 closed drivers are painful to mantain 17:02 Sokomine calinou: with +/- adjusted in game or as a parameter? 17:02 Brains I've not bought anything recently, but it looks like Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs for the desktop for the time being. 17:02 Calinou as a minetest.conf setting 17:02 Calinou viewing_range_nodes_min = 80 and viewing_range_nodes_max = 80 17:02 exio4 the system is using 115W right now, apparently 17:02 Calinou exio4, AMD uses “closed” drivers too… 17:03 exio4 Calinou, closed firmware 17:03 exio4 Calinou, not closed driver 17:03 Sokomine what are you doing with it, exio4? apart from chatting...which can't consume that much 17:03 exio4 watching an HD movie in background (720p) 17:03 exio4 and well, it's 115W, but it's FX + screen + netbook 17:04 exio4 20~ W are those 17:04 exio4 (screen+netbook) 17:04 exio4 it is basically idle, two cpus at 65% and the rest at <5% 17:04 Sokomine hd is overrated. sd is enough :-) 17:05 Megaf join my servers spawn and you will see your power usage increase a lot and your FPS drop a lot 17:05 exio4 I am using nouveau, I don't even have a decent FPS in sp 17:05 Jordach Sokomine, 60fps permanently at 1080p here 17:05 Sokomine megaf: vanessae's spawns are more notable for fps drops :-) too many signs 17:05 LazyJ FPS issues... those are problems with irrlicht, correct? 17:05 exio4 the whole system is running inside a linux container, and having all the driver blobs synced is painful 17:05 Jordach v_range = 151.2 :) 17:06 Calinou multiplayer is faster than singleplayer 17:06 Calinou exio4, do you use a recent kernel/Gallium3D? 17:06 exio4 3.2 because too lazy 17:06 exio4 the gpu is crap, so it won't change much 17:06 exio4 but even a 3x improvement isn't that much 17:07 exio4 based on the fact that the only way to have more than 30FPS in dutility (RE 1.4) is using 800x600 as res, and lowest settings ... :p 17:07 Zeno` I've been meaning to look into that SP thing... 17:08 Sokomine irks. how did fire get into my world? *removing mod* 17:19 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/C/C0q4tBnw5Dqi.png better, signs_lib sings don't look so bad now 17:23 Krock Jordach, too hard color-switch in default_snow_side.png 17:23 Krock pls2smooth 17:24 Jordach Krock, eh? 17:24 Jordach whatddya mean :P 17:25 Krock dat difference between snow and grass 17:25 Jordach oh 17:25 Krock iz liek a wall 17:25 Jordach Krock, you'd expect some grass to poke out of snow 17:26 Krock yeah 17:26 Krock much snow on top, less on the middle/bottom 17:29 * Jordach goes to work on the V6 biome 17:46 carjack 4/11 17:48 hmmmm so much minetest, so little time 17:48 hmmmm @_@ 17:49 * Brains was meaning to set up a dev-ish environment to play around with mods/engine but got sidetracked digging... 17:49 Brains Probably helps that I'm tired as all hades. 17:49 hmmmm i wish i could fork() myself 17:50 hmmmm that way i could fix lighting, work on biomes, work on the authentication, and work on the bulk worldgen all at the same time 17:55 carjack make kids 17:56 rubenwardy Hi all! 17:56 Calinou hi rubenwardy, chess? 17:57 rubenwardy Doing coursework. I need to be proficient at rails by next week 17:58 Calinou craft some copper rails from More Ores! 17:58 rubenwardy Lol 17:58 Brains rubenwardy: What class are you taking? 17:59 rubenwardy WJEC Computing A Level 17:59 rubenwardy WJEC sucks. It is literally learning a mark scheme 18:02 Arch-TK oh god not WJEC 18:02 carjack they are preparing you to real life 18:02 Arch-TK why did you take that course? 18:02 carjack you will definitely need them all 18:02 Arch-TK WJEC A Level Computing was a painful miserable pile of shit. 18:02 Arch-TK WJEC GCSE ICT was almost as bad. 18:02 Arch-TK just no 18:02 Arch-TK just 18:02 Arch-TK no 18:03 Arch-TK I'm glad all of that is over. 18:03 Arch-TK Now when something as miserable as that crosses paths with my life, I can drink myself to sleep and forget all about it. 18:03 carjack it is like terminator, it will be back 18:04 hmmmm [12:57 PM] Doing coursework. I need to be proficient at rails by next week 18:04 hmmmm snorting rails? 18:04 rubenwardy Ruby on Rails XD 18:04 hmmmm what a shit language 18:04 rubenwardy I like ruby 18:05 rubenwardy more than python, I think 18:05 hmmmm ruby is like a hodgepodge of things that don't coherently fit, and then ruby on rails is like a super upgraded version of shit 18:05 carjack made in japan, what else you need 18:05 hmmmm there are too many ways to do the same thing in ruby 18:05 hmmmm i'm sure you've read Rails is a Ghetto 18:06 carjack haskell is the real deal 18:06 Calinou hating on languages is pointless 18:06 exio4 Ruby is cool, I mean, compared to Python 18:06 Calinou even PHP (-: 18:06 exio4 PHP isn't a language 18:06 hmmmm meh 18:06 hmmmm Python is ok for what it is 18:06 exio4 it's a work from the devil 18:06 rubenwardy The alternative is Django or PHP 18:06 hmmmm granted it could be way better 18:06 exio4 hmmmm, the scoping is broken, and Guido is a bitch when it comes to functional programming 18:06 hmmmm I find myself using Python + Flask for web development things 18:07 hmmmm Django is like made specifically for wordpress-type applications 18:07 exio4 and it lacks any kind of static checking, so it's a no-no for me 18:07 hmmmm oh right, you have a functional programming boner 18:07 exio4 Racket is lovely for dynamic programming though 18:07 hmmmm I can't take any of these languages seriously though 18:07 hmmmm they're all crap because they're not statically typed 18:08 carjack and rust is the future 18:08 exio4 hmmmm, was that sarcasm? 18:09 hmmmm no 18:09 hmmmm rust sucks too 18:09 rubenwardy Flask looks good actually 18:09 exio4 how does it suck? 18:09 hmmmm too much "safety" 18:09 carjack hmmmm, only if you are a metal worker 18:09 hmmmm it's a big agenda language 18:09 hmmmm I watched the videos that celeron posted a while ago about that guy and his new language and i think he's spot on 18:09 exio4 Jonathan Blow's ideal language seems like a tweaked version of C++ 18:09 hmmmm i love his ideas 18:09 hmmmm yup 18:10 sfan5 yay, ontopic discussions- 18:10 hmmmm it's more like a tweaked version of C 18:10 exio4 I don't think so, he's basically saying "I like C++ but I don't like C++, so I better take C++" 18:10 carjack rust is the future. does C or c++ has a logo? NO But Rust has a logo 18:10 hmmmm D is too C++ like 18:10 exio4 his ideal language is basically a crap language but with less than crap than C++, as far as I saw it 18:11 exio4 his language is basically a 0.0001% improvement of what we have now 18:11 hmmmm i disagree 18:11 hmmmm it's simply not a big agenda language 18:12 carjack D is a better C++ 18:12 exio4 without being a big agenda programming language 18:12 hmmmm you don't have to change everything... people have been wanting a better language than C but all the replacements are too wacky 18:12 carjack it has a trash collector 18:13 exio4 hmmmm, also, things like "Go did it right, no exceptions! multiple return values!" 18:13 hmmmm so you LIKE exceptions? 18:13 exio4 I can't take a language without first-class tuples serious 18:13 exio4 no 18:13 twoelk when I eat I use something of the type spoon, some sort of fork and some knife. Sometimes different types of each for special jobs. Most of the time I combine two to get the job done and sometimes I use my fingers and get my hands dirty. Each food calls for the fitting tool. I can eat most stuff with my fingers but using cutlerry hasd more style and might be more efficient at times. Go figure..... 18:14 carjack but java is the best it has a logo and garbage collector 18:14 carjack even a mascot 18:14 exio4 I hate exceptions, but taking "it done right" by allowing tuples ONLY in the return value?!? 18:14 hmmmm why not? 18:14 hmmmm I suppose you could add in tuples but they're not much different from structs 18:15 twoelk mascots are vital for programming languages! They give you something to kick if it doesn't work 18:15 hmmmm in functional terms 18:15 exio4 yes, they're just product types 18:15 exio4 but they're really handy 18:15 hmmmm handiness 18:15 exio4 just syntatic sugar would be ok 18:15 exio4 but the lack of first-class things is ugly 18:15 exio4 it's basically a very complex language core 18:16 carjack all joking aside, ADA looks promising, a little too verbose though 18:16 exio4 he also said he likes ADTs but doesn't like ADTs 18:17 carjack Alcohol Drug Test? 18:17 exio4 algebraic datatypes 18:17 carjack not abstract? 18:18 exio4 algebraic as being constructed by sum/product types (and exponentials if you allow first-class functions) 18:18 exio4 (and lots of cool properties) 18:18 exio4 like B^(A+C) = B^A * B^C 18:20 exio4 by the way, ADTs and pattern matching should be in all languages by now 18:20 exio4 they aren't even "functional features" 18:20 exio4 implicit nulls everywhere are basically the worst thing that ever happened to programming languages 18:21 exio4 exceptions are poor man's dynamic scoping, also 18:23 carjack what about templates? 18:23 exio4 macros are cool 18:23 exio4 as long as you do them the scheme way :D 18:24 rubenwardy Okay, I'm using Flask now. 18:27 carjack use node.lua 18:27 carjack ... it actually exists?! 18:37 Sokomine Jordach: in order to have grass (and other plants) grow "inside" snow, just try my moresnow mod. it places the snow-node technically in the air above the plant - thus it looks as if the plant grows in the snow 18:37 Jordach Sokomine, it's implied the area is too cold for the plants to grow there 18:42 Sokomine jordach: ah, ok. still, moresnow might be useful. players could place nodebox-like nodes somewhere...or use fences. all that looks odd with normal snow 18:43 Jordach Sokomine, ah 18:43 Jordach i might eventually add ity 18:57 dakotalongears Hai 18:57 lemonlake dakotalongears: Hai 18:58 Arch-TK hmm] 18:58 lemonlake bai... 20:14 zigz are you planning to integrate freeminer patches into minetest? 20:14 zigz their terrain is now loads faster 20:21 Calinou unlikely, zigz 20:21 Calinou (also, we can't add long patches) 20:30 zigz also i joined a server and most of the terrain doesnt load 20:34 lemonlake what's the current minetest vs freeminer? 20:37 zigz slower 20:38 zigz also in freeminer jitter is greatly recuded 20:38 zigz reduced* 20:38 lemonlake which is slower? 20:44 zigz minetest 20:44 zigz what mods does the xanadu server use? 20:45 Calinou I'd say greatly increased… 20:45 Calinou zigz, http://servers.minetest.net/ ⇒ hover mouse on Xanadu server mods 20:45 Calinou Version, subgame, Mapgenerator 20:46 Calinou 54 mods 21:12 jojoa1997` back 21:12 Calinou hi jojoa1997 21:12 jojoa1997 Hi Calinou 21:12 Calinou long time no see 21:12 Calinou Minetest 0.4.11 is out, try it ;) 21:13 jojoa1997 I actually did try it out. No lag \o/ 21:16 sfan5 !server ping:least 21:16 MinetestBot sfan5: Voxelgarden | 178.62.146.72 | Clients: 0/30, 0/5 | Version: 0.4.11 / Voxelgarden | Ping: 1ms 21:16 sfan5 >1ms 21:16 sfan5 must be hosted in amsterdam 21:16 jojoa1997 what is voxelgarden? 21:16 sfan5 a subgame 21:17 jojoa1997 Calinou would i be able to use git to download your game? 21:18 sfan5 yep that voxelgarden server is hosted on DO in AMS 21:18 Calinou jojoa1997, yes, it is on Gitorious 21:18 sfan5 that explains the low ping 21:18 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone 21:18 jojoa1997 what is hmmmm's name on github? 21:19 sfan5 jojoa1997: https://github.com/kwolekr 21:19 jojoa1997 tanks 21:19 jojoa1997 thanks 21:22 Calinou world of thanks 21:40 carjack where can I rate servers? 21:40 sfan5 nowhere 21:41 carjack I think next episode should show user rating in the server browser 21:41 carjack season 4 episode 12 of minetest 21:41 sfan5 what? 21:41 sfan5 oh 21:41 sfan5 nvm 21:42 carjack only registered forum users should be allowed to rate 21:43 carjack so you can sort servers by rating instead of number of users 21:46 carjack lets say it is over 5 stars, servers which donate to minetest gets a platinum star 21:47 UnknownSentinel pay to win <-> open source 21:47 kahrl I know 1-dimensional rating systems are all over the web, but I never know how to interpret them 21:47 exio4 donating to minetest shouldn't give you a "star" 21:47 sfan5 ^ 21:47 kahrl "the buildings on this server are nice, 5/5 would sightsee again" 21:47 exio4 me neither, that's is my argument too kahrl 21:47 kahrl "the people on this server are nice, 5/5 would chat again" 21:47 kahrl "there is no lag, 5/5 would connect again" 21:47 kahrl "the protection mod on this server sucks, 5/5 would grief again" 21:48 UnknownSentinel Donating is good and very beneficial, but minecraft is full of pay to win shit 21:48 acerspyro ^ 21:48 exio4 you should allow multi-variate ratings 21:49 exio4 which variables are the ones we should decide too and MAYBE, make a very rough guess based on all of those 21:49 UnknownSentinel Minetest has the basis for all blocks ( API ) but a more beautifull render engine or optional shader mod would be nice 21:49 carjack if a user donates he/she can vote multiple times also receives a hat 21:49 * carjack hides 21:51 UnknownSentinel Is there a shaders like mod for minetest? 21:51 marktraceur kahrl: Obviously model it after slashdot 21:51 marktraceur 5/5 griefability 3/5 nice people 2/5 interesting buildings 5/5 mod choices 21:51 marktraceur 0/5 connection speed (couldn't connect at all, but I imagine the people are nice) 21:52 kahrl heh 21:52 UnknownSentinel The ultimate game would be the basis of minetest combined with the graphics of terasology 22:12 Calinou we have shader support, UnknownSentinel 22:12 Calinou additional shaders could be written to do just about anything 22:12 Calinou also, be sure to use an HD texture pack 22:12 Calinou will probably look good enough for now 22:13 UnknownSentinel is there a link to a page with the shaders? :p 22:13 Calinou there is none… I'm just saying you could write them 22:13 UnknownSentinel :o 22:13 Calinou we could, in theory, have reflective water or such 22:14 UnknownSentinel nice, I wish I had experience with making shaders :) 22:14 exio4 theory? didn't know the shaders allowed for it right now 22:16 carjack yes way to reduce my FPS 22:17 UnknownSentinel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/client/shaders/nodes_shader/opengl_fragment.glsl 22:18 UnknownSentinel apparently minetest does use glsl shaders 22:18 Calinou yep 22:18 Calinou since 2 years ago now! 22:21 UnknownSentinel haha, i am looking through the sonic ether shader for minecraft and they use fsh(fragment in minetest) and vsh( vertex in minetest) 22:22 Calinou there is none 22:22 Calinou custom shaders are a possibility, that's just what I'm saying 22:22 Calinou GLSL programming is tricky 22:56 Sokomine Calinous advice to set view range to a fixed min *and* max was a very good one. it helps a lot. i was even able to look around a bit on vanessae's survival server this tim. beforehand, spawn made fps so low it was hard to navigate. now i even was able to push fps up to 600...admittedly with 0 to 1 fps 22:57 exio4 600FPS? wat? :D 22:57 Sokomine er, no. a view range of 600. worked better than unlimited view range 22:57 LittleJoe O.O 22:57 LittleJoe how? 22:57 kaeza I know 1-dimensional rating systems are all over the web, but I never know how to interpret them <-- relevant: http://xkcd.com/1098/ 22:57 Sokomine the landscape is very beautiful with all those moretrees, plants and other buildings 22:57 kaeza also, greetings 22:58 Sokomine hi kaeza