Time Nick Message 00:03 shadowzone XD 00:23 Fritigern I just read this on notalwaysright.com : Lawn Care Customer: “Can you fertilize me next week?” 00:25 PenguinDad lol 01:27 toothpickb Greetings 01:33 freelikegnu Fritigern: yeah not like most of the internet runs on linux... should have said BSD "What that some kinda demonic OS!?" 01:33 freelikegnu does your ISP support HURD? 01:34 freelikegnu can I get an "internet install CD" for BeOS? 01:39 toothpickb Wondering if virtualbox running linux will be faster than running minetest server on windows 01:39 toothpickb I'll know shortly...or have an idea 01:45 toothpickb freelikegnu, Haiku might please you. 02:05 freelikegnu toothpickb: virtualbox probably not, the 3D support is barely adequate 02:07 freelikegnu I have run it that way on a window 7 laptop, i7/nvidia virtualbox running xubuntu with virtualbox guest additions 02:08 toothpickb freelikegnu only as server no client needed... 02:09 freelikegnu that is probably ok, I suppose networking might be the only challenge 02:09 freelikegnu also make sure you are getting vt-x working 02:11 freelikegnu I had fun the other day making a ps4 dualshock joypad work over bluetooth with a linux guest in virtual box on windows host 02:12 freelikegnu this was using the laptops onboard BT captured as a sub device into the virtualbox guest 02:12 freelikegnu *usb device 02:13 freelikegnu so glad I dont have to run windows at home :D 02:35 AgentFire Heya NemoMT 02:37 Fritigern Damn those netsplits! 02:38 NemoMT Hello AgentFire 02:38 AgentFire NemoMT: I'm about to join Liberty Land 02:41 NemoMT AgentFire: Awesome. Unfortunately by internet is going slow at the moment. so I won't be joining the server now. 02:48 AgentFire Aww, okay 02:50 toothpickb gnight 03:35 bigman247 People have built some pretty cool stuff on that Liberty Land server. Just learning the game, and this is way cooler than what I've built. :D 03:35 AgentFire bigman247: I know, I've got a nyan cat 03:36 bigman247 Lol - I read about those 03:36 bigman247 Trying to find an unclaimed area 03:38 AgentFire Tp to me 03:42 bigman247 what's the command to talk in Minetest? 03:42 AgentFire T 03:44 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx how can i set that swords cannot dig? 03:44 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx I dont want to destroy my landscape while fighting zombies 03:44 VanessaE make it so that only the "fleshy" group is affected 03:45 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx in which file i can configure it? 03:45 VanessaE the sword is probably set to affect snappy and such 03:45 VanessaE you have to find where the sword is defined in minetest_game/mods/default and modify it there 03:45 VanessaE probably tools.luya 03:46 VanessaE -y 03:46 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/tools.lua#L257 03:46 VanessaE might be enough to comment-out those groupcaps = {} stanzas 03:47 VanessaE leaving just the damage_groups = {} definitions 03:48 VanessaE (groupcaps sets the capabilities of a tool - what properties of a node the tool can work on. snappy is things like leaves, grass, cactus, etc 03:48 VanessaE ) 03:48 Fritigern OFF-TOPIC: I just read this one : "Stop trying to figure out who wears the pants in your relationship. Relationships work best when no one is wearing pants!" 03:49 freelikegnu werd 03:49 freelikegnu skirts ftw 03:49 Fritigern That's right skirts and kilts! 03:50 freelikegnu and fur cleaving thongs 03:50 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx didnt work 03:51 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx stil able to dig with a sword 03:51 Fritigern No? Fur cleaving thongs didn;t work? Hmmm... How about Speedoes? 03:51 freelikegnu maybe it was a speedont 03:51 Fritigern Loincloth then? 03:52 freelikegnu Tolkien marketing goes over the edge with the Gloincoth 03:53 VanessaE xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: unless you modified the wrong file, or modified a game you're not running, or modified without restarting, that should work 03:53 freelikegnu I can almost feel a beard in my mouth trying to pronounce Gloincloth™ 03:55 Fritigern Try it Scots-style Lloinclogh! 03:56 freelikegnu made from authentic scotch tape and whiskey 03:57 VanessaE xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: or you're trying to dig with a sword you didn't modify - there are several kinds, and they all have to be changed in the same way. whatever you didn't change, you'll still be able to dig with 03:57 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx btw does mods need to go to /minetest-master/mods or to /games/minetest_game/mods? 03:58 VanessaE minetest/mods 03:58 freelikegnu if only minetest was in a lunar landscape 03:58 VanessaE minetest_game/mods is for code that's been shipped as part of minetest_game. 03:59 freelikegnu you could just be happy 03:59 freelikegnu cutting the cheese 04:00 Fritigern Hmmmm.... Gouda..... 04:00 freelikegnu Gouda woulda shoulda 04:01 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx I made groupcaps={} to all swords 04:01 Fritigern BUT!!! Is the sword that you ue part of that group? 04:01 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx yes 04:01 VanessaE more to the point, is the sword you're using part of minetest_game or is it being supplied by a mod? 04:01 Fritigern It's good to have that double checked :-) 04:02 VanessaE i.e. is it say, a stone or steel sword? 04:02 VanessaE or something like a mithril sword (moreores)? 04:02 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx seems to be part of the game 04:02 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx Wooden sword 04:02 VanessaE and you're actually playing minetest_game in your world, and not minimal? 04:03 freelikegnu good for slaying octorocks 04:03 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx yes 04:03 VanessaE check again that you modified the right file - i.e. the active game files that you're playing 04:05 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx yes done 04:05 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx when I modify the ull_punch_interval = 0.1, then I can kill mobs faster 04:06 VanessaE strange. 04:06 VanessaE wait, 04:06 VanessaE some of the nodes in the game are "oddly_breakable_by_hand" 04:06 VanessaE I wonder if an empty groupcaps={} will cause the game to revert to that mode? 04:06 VanessaE try setting those to nil instead 04:08 VanessaE well dirt is crumbly=3 so that's not it. 04:08 VanessaE anyway try that. 04:09 VanessaE beyond that, I'm out of ideas. 04:09 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx crumbly = nil ? 04:09 VanessaE no 04:10 VanessaE groupcaps = nil 04:10 VanessaE the only other idea I can come up with is groupcaps= with zeroed-out values for all of the dig times. 04:11 VanessaE e.g. copy this, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/tools.lua#L11 and set all of those times to 0, or maybe it's 9999 or something and maxlevel=0 04:11 VanessaE it's been forever since I looked at how tools work 04:11 VanessaE lemme check the api 04:14 VanessaE yeah, that seems right. 04:16 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx yopu mean like this? choppy={times={[1]=0, [2]=0, [3]=0}, uses=0, maxlevel=0}, 04:16 VanessaE try [1]=9999 et al. 04:17 VanessaE and set the uses= field correctly according to the tool. it's a guess 04:18 VanessaE the API doesn't make it clear how the uses is interpreted when the tool is used to attack an entity 04:20 jessiebessie does Xavi come on this server? 04:21 VanessaE jessiebessie: not on this network, only on Inchra. 04:21 jessiebessie oh ok does that server have a irc network? 04:21 VanessaE yes 04:22 VanessaE irc.inchra.net 04:22 VanessaE or isis.inchra.net, or digitalaudioconcepts.com 04:22 VanessaE channel #minetest 04:22 VanessaE (Inchra is the name of the IRC network, not the name of a server) 04:24 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx didnt work 04:24 VanessaE what did it do? 04:24 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx nothing changed 04:25 VanessaE then you're *definitely* modifying the wrong file 04:25 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx if you meant this 04:25 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx crumbly = {times={[1]=9999}, uses=999, maxlevel=1} 04:25 jessiebessie ok 04:25 VanessaE yes, except of course I meant for you to include the [2] and [3] entries, hence "et al." 04:25 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx no, the file is correct i tested 04:26 VanessaE crumbly = {times={[1]=9999, [2]=9999, [3]=9999}, uses=999, maxlevel=1} 04:26 VanessaE and do the same for snappy and oddly_breakable_by_hand 04:26 VanessaE er maxlevel=0 04:26 VanessaE experiment 04:26 VanessaE play around with it until it works right :) 04:26 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx lol i dont understand why, but now it worked 04:27 VanessaE jellow: wrong network :) 04:27 VanessaE grr 04:27 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx thanks :) 04:27 VanessaE jessiebessie: wrong network :) 04:27 jessiebessie I know lol 04:27 jessiebessie what is the channel name cuz I use kiwi irc and is their a channel for it? 04:28 VanessaE xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: if you included the [2] and [3] to make it work, it's because now you're accounting for nodes that have crumbly = 2 or crumbly = 3 in thier definitions 04:28 VanessaE jessiebessie: channel #minetest 04:28 VanessaE jessiebessie: but wait. 04:28 VanessaE jessiebessie: you don't have to close this tab to go over there. you can open another page and be on both networks at the same time. 04:29 jessiebessie I know I can but this is #minetest 04:29 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx ah ok :) 04:29 VanessaE so? :) 04:29 VanessaE it's a different network 04:29 jessiebessie oh ok 04:34 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx can I clear all dropped items without clearing my NPCs? 04:39 VanessaE xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: not precisely 04:39 VanessaE you can use worldedit to clear entities from a selected area 04:39 VanessaE and dropped items will auto-expire anyway 04:40 VanessaE but entities are entities as far as the engine is concerned, so NPCs will get removed too if they're in the selected area in question 04:42 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx but NPCs will not expire right? 04:42 VanessaE correct 04:42 VanessaE if the mod is up-to-date enough anyway 04:42 VanessaE actually, that shouldn't matter 04:42 VanessaE I think dropped items have an explicit setting to expire and everything else is set not to by default 04:48 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx ok, thats good :) 10:17 Megaf folks, the story of my new mod, it's not ready, I still have to make the textures, bue I'd like to share the story with you 10:17 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/leprechaun_tools/blob/master/story.md 10:18 Calinou everything bolded/title, why? 10:18 Calinou arrenge → arrange 10:19 Calinou shinny → shiny 10:19 Calinou (oh, both exist actually) 10:19 Zeno` Leprechauns! 10:20 Zeno` reverse engineering -> reverse engineered 10:20 Zeno` proccess -> process 10:20 Zeno` specially atracted -> especially attracted 10:20 Zeno` find lot's -> find lots 10:21 Zeno` Sounds fun :) 10:26 Megaf I cant fix that now, I got to run,I will try to hide in Duldalk 10:26 Megaf in County Louth 10:26 Megaf please, can someone correct the spelling in a PR? 10:27 kaeza mornings 10:28 Calinou hi kaeza 10:28 Zeno` ahoy there kaeza 10:30 Megaf bye all 10:30 Zeno` bye bye 10:42 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Rewrite mesecon wires. This should increase the efficiency and speed of 13194155f http://git.io/A9_Ucg (152014-11-22T11:40:58+01:00) 10:47 Calinou cool 11:03 ventrillov_ I've got a problem. How to install minetest-irc mod? I have unzipped it and renamed it to minetest-irc. It does not work, my server is crashing when I launch it. 11:04 ElectronLibre Kaeza must be the best one to help you. Have you installed all the needed packages? (lua-socket, ...) 11:05 ventrillov_ Oh, I didn't knew that this mod needs additional packages. Thanks a lot for help. I've readed readme file and found what i had needed. 11:24 Zeno` well 11:24 Zeno` that was fun 11:24 Zeno` :/ 11:27 kaeza ventrillov_, this probably contains more updated info: http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods/IRC 11:31 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Pressure plates and the object detector will send power to vertical 13b5cc933 http://git.io/2y6b-A (152014-11-22T12:30:39+01:00) 11:34 kaeza "Hello, I never want to disturb you at all with this business proposa.But will like you give me your attention pls. I need a matured and capable hand in a business deal of $8.5 million US dollars.I belief you are suitable to handle such project perfectly." 11:34 kaeza srsly 11:35 Zeno` count me in 11:35 Krock lol 11:35 n4x hi weird people 11:36 jin_xi ugh. reading comments on keyboard input element for formspecs makes me sad. 11:36 PenguinDad kaeza: I do right belief you in :P 11:36 jin_xi lets kill all interactive mods for no more lag and super fps 11:37 kaeza srsly, how do people fall for this bullshit? 11:38 kaeza PenguinDad, give me your attention pls 11:38 Zeno` what bullshit? 11:38 kaeza :D 11:38 PenguinDad Let's remove player movement everything will be much smoother then!!1! 11:38 jin_xi https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1737 this discussion 11:38 Zeno` PenguinDad, I've already done that 11:39 PenguinDad lol 11:39 kaeza jin_xi++ 11:39 kaeza or... wait, what side? :P 11:40 * PenguinDad hands kaeza a bucket ful of attention 11:40 jin_xi wut? i'm hoping this feature gets added and promise to finish arcade mod when its in 11:41 jin_xi also i think its a very bad way to welcome contributors, specially modders who do engine work to support their mod ideas 11:41 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=162560#p162560 what's wrong with the image? 11:41 Krock hint: look at the URL 11:41 jin_xi are you 14? 11:42 Krock no? 11:43 sfan5 jin_xi: s/14/12/ 11:43 davegoopot Hello. I'm setting up a server on linux and I'd like it to use the current working directory for the minetest files rather than ~/.minetest. Any idea how to do that? 11:43 Krock ^ use run_in_place 11:43 sfan5 davegoopot: compile minetest with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 11:44 davegoopot No apt-get solution then? :-) 11:44 sfan5 probably not 11:44 PenguinDad Krock: what are you talking about? 11:44 davegoopot Okay. Thanks 11:44 sfan5 davegoopot: unless it's enough if you want the world folder config and log file in the current dir 11:44 Krock PenguinDad, about the sense of life 11:45 sfan5 you can do that via --world ./world --logfile ./debug.txt --config ./minetest.conf 11:45 sfan5 the subgame folder will still be in /usr/share tho 11:46 davegoopot sfan5: Thanks i'll have a play. I wanted to create a game with a custom mod + other bits 11:47 kaeza you can also store the game into worlds/yourworld/game/, and mods into worlds/yourworld/worldmods/; that keeps everything pretty much self-contained 11:49 davegoopot kaeza: Thanks. I'm trying it out now... 12:00 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zeno- -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix smooth lighting (ambient occlusion) 13cb2d467 http://git.io/bwQF1A (152014-11-22T21:58:00+10:00) 12:00 MinetestBot 02[git] 04neoascetic -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix compiling if no endian.h found 13f7f24d1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f7f24d1470d9553fdedcc0c687f0d9bd263b4903 (152014-11-22T21:56:38+10:00) 12:08 * Zeno` wonders if neoascetic is here 12:08 Zeno` he's very quick at closing his PRs 12:08 n4x neat 12:08 n4x my chaser a31 is _finally_ on the way 12:08 Zeno` is that a car? 12:09 PenguinDad n4x: your UPS? 12:09 Zeno` UPS in the car? 12:09 n4x no, the case 12:09 n4x the UPS is notyet™ 12:09 Zeno` I need a UPS :/ 12:10 * Jordach purrs 12:10 Zeno` power around here has been terrible lately 12:10 * Zeno` roars 12:10 * PenguinDad curls up to Jordach's lap 12:10 n4x power here has been terrible since I have memory 12:10 n4x rural area ain't nice in those things 12:11 n4x small packages have higher priority and take practically nothing 12:12 Zeno` I'm rural as well, but until this year things had improved 12:12 Zeno` now it's terrible again 12:12 Zeno` My Android should arrive Monday. I hope he's nice 12:13 n4x well, ← Argentina 12:13 Zeno` well, <- Australia 12:13 n4x really? 12:13 Zeno` yeah 12:13 n4x thought you were in DE? 12:14 Zeno` Because... of my accent? 12:14 Zeno` :) 12:14 n4x heh 12:14 Jordach i live in a farmlandy area but have a good internet speed + good power grid 12:14 n4x Zeno`: you're german though, aren't you? 12:15 Zeno` internet here is (usually) good, but not power 12:15 Zeno` n4x, nah I was born in Australia and my parents were born here as well 12:15 Zeno` I dunno where you got the idea I was german from lol 12:15 n4x neither I do 12:15 Jordach alright you criminal :3 12:16 Jordach .(although 12:16 Jordach your internet prices are literally criminal) 12:16 n4x everything is criminal-priced in australia! 12:16 jin_xi 𝕯𝖊𝖚𝖙𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖉! 12:17 n4x well, you're from the best hemisphere Zeno`, nice to know \o/ 12:17 n4x heh 12:17 Zeno` haha 12:18 Zeno` It's like Krock. I know he's not in Germany but everytime I see his nick I think "aha! He's from Germany" 12:18 Krock *Switzerland 12:18 Jordach *worst hemisphere for prices 12:18 Zeno` I pay $69 a month for internet 12:18 Zeno` ADSL2 12:19 n4x wow, I am like, fkd up 12:19 Zeno` I know Krock, but for some reason I still think you're from Germany 12:19 n4x I thought Krock lived in 'murica 12:19 Zeno` lol 12:19 Zeno` you're in a spot of trouble n4x :D 12:19 n4x well, I am sure Calinou is french, right? RIGHT? 12:19 n4x at least lie 12:19 * Jordach and Krock had the same computer tower for a while 12:19 kilbith he is 12:19 Krock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Region_of_Murcia 12:19 Jordach only difference being the CPU 12:19 * sfan5 looks at n4x 12:19 Zeno` kilbith is French as well 12:19 n4x and kaeza is from Uruguay 4♥ 12:20 n4x oh, well 12:20 Zeno` sfan5 is from Istanbul 12:20 PenguinDad I always thought Zeno` lived in New Zealand 12:20 * Krock knows about the weakness of the Celeron D now 12:20 sfan5 Zeno`: wat, no 12:20 n4x I would like to know why I thought you were german anyway 12:20 Zeno` Sheesh, nobody knows where I live :( 12:20 n4x PenguinDad: you're german, no? 12:20 Zeno` I'm a german-australian-kiwi apparently 12:20 n4x lol 12:21 PenguinDad n4x: yep I'm german 12:21 * sfan5 noms Zeno` 12:21 Zeno` nom nom nom 12:21 sfan5 nom nom nom 12:21 PenguinDad mon mon mon 12:21 Krock dinosaur-behavior 12:23 Zeno` nom nom nom 12:23 Zeno` ok, this is weird 12:23 sfan5 meow 12:23 n4x yup, sfan5 is weird 12:23 Zeno` whimper 12:23 n4x that is like, old news 12:24 * Zeno` cries 12:24 Zeno` it's 40C here :( 12:24 Zeno` too hot 12:25 Jordach aww 12:25 Jordach grab a cold one then 12:25 Zeno` should I? 12:25 Jordach yavul 12:25 jin_xi n4x: no, sfan is a cat 12:25 Zeno` ok then, you've twisted my arm 12:25 n4x does anyone know sfan5's age? 12:25 Jordach ~17 12:25 n4x Zeno`: 40C? but.. humidity? 12:25 Jordach best guesses 12:25 Zeno` in cat years or human years 12:25 n4x human years 12:26 Zeno` He looks about 21 12:26 Zeno` wait 12:26 n4x I thought he was like 17 12:26 Zeno` that's kaeza 12:26 Zeno` stupid internet! 12:26 n4x kaeza is older, I think 12:26 n4x kaeza: tell us your age! and win a pony for xmas! 12:27 Zeno` back to planting my underground rainforest 12:27 * sfan5 plants a kitten tree on Zeno`'s head 12:27 Zeno` oh gawd :( 12:27 Zeno` did you have to? :3 12:27 * Krock likes sfan5's idea 12:27 sfan5 Zeno`: yes 12:27 Zeno` ok then 12:27 * Zeno` pats kitten tree 12:27 Krock kitten trees :3 12:28 Jordach BFD Easter Egg: Kitten Sapling that spawns a random kitty based on well known Minetester's skins 12:28 Jordach 1/40000 chance of dropping it from any tree 12:28 n4x we're at 18.2C but 75% humidity atm 12:28 Krock more common wasn't possible, eh? 12:28 * sfan5 drops a kitten in front of n4x 12:29 Zeno` I think humidity is... I'll look 12:30 PenguinDad Zeno`: humidity is the dry/wet ratio :P 12:30 Zeno` 88% 12:31 Zeno` thanks PD :p 12:31 n4x 40C and 88% humidity? 12:31 n4x that is like 50C feels like? 12:31 Zeno` yes :( 12:31 n4x or 55C or something like that 12:31 Zeno` I dunno ... I just know it feels terrible 12:31 * ElectronLibre have finally arrived to compile his own Minetest-client on Windows. How fast it is! 12:32 Jordach Krock, new build pls 12:32 Krock Jordach, cuz of smooth lightening? 12:32 Jordach ya 12:32 Krock k 12:32 Jordach and that schematics (mgv7) work again 12:33 ElectronLibre That's beautiful, something endian.h-related crashed the compiling ._. 12:33 Zeno` again?! 12:33 Zeno` ElectronLibre, have you got the version from about 30 minutes ago? 12:33 Jordach why do we even need endian anymore 12:33 ElectronLibre I've downloaded it 10 minutes ago. 12:34 Zeno` Can you pastebin the error? 12:34 Krock Zeno`, are there gonna be more commits before Istart compiling? 12:34 Zeno` not that I know of 12:34 Krock k 12:34 Krock compiling with 2 new commits.. 12:36 Krock btw, Zeno`, what's your avatar showing? a puppet or an animal? 12:36 ElectronLibre Zeno`, http://pastie.org/9736305 12:36 jin_xi its alf, right? 12:36 Zeno` it's ALF 12:36 jin_xi he likes to eat cats 12:36 Zeno` yes :) 12:36 Krock ElectronLibre, wtf? why not using msbuild? 12:36 ElectronLibre Msbuild? 12:36 Krock that's on every windows system 12:37 Zeno` I've suddenly decided to hate Windows 12:37 Krock mostly in %windir%\Microsoft.NET\Framework\[framework version] 12:37 ElectronLibre Oh, I see some commits after my last download. 12:37 Krock Zeno`, it compiled fine on MSVC just now 12:37 * Krock slaps ElectronLibre 12:37 Zeno` Maybe it will be ok then :) 12:38 * Zeno` pushes some commits just to annoy Krock 12:38 ElectronLibre I try. 12:38 * Krock ignores Zeno`'s try to annoy 12:38 Zeno` :D 12:40 Krock 4 minutes until you can play with the patched version, Jordach 12:40 * Zeno` jumps up and down in excitement 12:40 raffahacks http://is.gd/bmgw3p lol 12:41 sfan5 !title 12:41 MinetestBot sfan5: Source electric moped 125CC on m.alibaba.com 12:41 raffahacks (no virus, don't worry) 12:42 Zeno` it's a photo of my car 12:42 raffahacks Look carefully at the logo 12:43 Krock Jordach, https://www.dropbox.com/s/6v8m4k6nh62pi4n/minetest_141121_fix.zip?dl=0 12:43 Zeno` lol raffahacks 12:43 ElectronLibre Zeno`, it compiles perfectly now thank you :). 12:44 PenguinDad YAYAMA :D 12:44 Zeno` ElectronLibre, I didn't fix it, I just signed it off ;) 12:44 raffahacks Doyayama, the logo is the o 12:44 * ElectronLibre first read Yamaha and then realized it was wrong. 12:44 Zeno` took me a bit to see that 12:44 ElectronLibre Zeno`, ok ^^. 12:45 ElectronLibre (I get a lot of warnings, but it compiles well) 12:45 raffahacks When you see a good brand on alibaba, always look very carefully 12:46 Zeno` alibaba and the 40 thieves 12:46 * Krock wonders why ElectronLibre compiles his/her Minetest binary self 12:46 raffahacks Like the UltraFlre batteries (FLRE, not FIRE) 12:46 bionictoothpick This isn't the right channel, but btoothpick says it is taken, and I registered it... 12:47 raffahacks And the 400000000 fakes 12:47 * ElectronLibre likes to change a few stuff in the code to customize his minetest build. And he doesn't need to wait the release of another build. 12:48 btoothpick Got it. 12:48 raffahacks There are MANY MORE than 40 thieves on alibaba :) 12:49 Zeno` 42? 12:49 raffahacks 40^40 maybe 12:49 btoothpick Thinking of alibaba reminds me of my GP32...that was great while it lasted. 12:50 raffahacks Well, some electronics on alibaba are good 12:50 Krock Does anyone else have the problem where water in oceans do not flow into caves, even when update_liquids in the VM is called? 12:50 ElectronLibre Krock: I compile it on Windows actually because the fastest computer I own is on Windows. I've planned to install a Debian on it to use its 16 cores fully, I've heard that the FSF has got a SecureBoot key. 12:51 * raffahacks thinks FSF is free software foundation 12:51 btoothpick I didn't realize I couldn't use keyboard remotely in vmware player until last night...was going to try switching a sever from windows to virtual linux 12:54 ElectronLibre Oh, what a beautiful compiling error I get. *-* 12:57 Zeno` ? 12:58 ElectronLibre It seems I've not lauched mingw32 well, or something else. I try to to it again with a brand new source directory. 13:09 btoothpick I am trying to find a collection of we files. The ones I create in game don't crash the server...the two I have tried downloaded elsewhere do. 13:12 kilbith don't use the WE files; use the MTS instead 13:17 PenguinDad kilbith: sometimes we files are useful 13:17 n4x "we files"? 13:17 n4x oh, WE files 13:18 kilbith WE are only useful for save the chest content 13:18 kilbith +files 13:19 kilbith otherwise it's completely uneffcient 13:20 Krock *inefficient 13:24 n4x not efficient 13:29 Zeno` slow 13:39 Krock http://i.imgur.com/yOFmWsw.png 13:39 ElectronLibre ._. 13:40 Zeno` hey, that's sfan5! 13:40 sfan5 no 13:40 sfan5 this is me http://i.imgur.com/ERebecg.jpg 13:40 Zeno` oh wait... that's the heavy load picture 13:40 Zeno` awww 13:40 Zeno` you cute! 13:41 Krock :3 13:41 * Zeno` makes sfan5 his wallpaper 13:50 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Use an iterative algorithm for turnon() and turnoff(), fixes #160 13ffacbfd http://git.io/9-UGCQ (152014-11-22T14:47:18+01:00) 14:09 ElectronLibre Does anyone know if this is normal? => http://pastie.org/9736473 14:17 Krock ElectronLibre, use irrlicht 1.8.1, not 1.9 14:19 ElectronLibre I use 1.8.1 actually. 14:21 * ElectronLibre have just realized he did an enormous mistake in the setting of IRRLICHT_SOURCE_PATH 14:27 ElectronLibre Ok, even with another directory, it doesn't work with irrlicht-sdk-1.8.1 and 1.7.3. I'm gonna try something else, if you've any idea, I would be happy to hear them. 14:31 Krock no idea. it works with msbuild - irrlicht 1.8.1 14:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zeno- -> 03minetest/minetest: refactor main.cpp 13d6cc0d8 http://git.io/HpYtyQ (152014-11-23T00:27:02+10:00) 14:39 ElectronLibre To be sure I don't do again a mistake, must the IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR be REP/irrlicht-1.8.1/sources ? 14:39 Krock let me see 14:40 Krock irrlicht-1.8.1/source/Irrlicht 14:40 ElectronLibre Ok, I've tried it but for 1.7.3, I'm gonna try with the 1.8.1 . 14:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Replace mesecon: with mesecon. for greater 135be179b https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/commit/5be179bf110b44bdc06df6dbfde4e61487cf0635 (152014-11-22T15:42:22+01:00) 14:50 ElectronLibre Ouch, it does the same error again, sorry Krock, that didn't help me... >.< 14:50 Krock ElectronLibre, http://pastebin.com/rcrRGbz2 how it looks in my configuration 14:51 ElectronLibre Let me see, there is no IRRLICHT_LIBRARY or IRRLICHT_DLL set in mine. ._. 14:53 ElectronLibre Ok, now there is no problem ._. 14:54 ElectronLibre Thank you Krock :D 14:54 Krock np 14:55 ElectronLibre There was no Library set for Irrlicht.. Now there is one. :D 14:55 gravgun If at least there was a package manager and/or pkg-config on Windows, everything would be fine... 14:56 ElectronLibre Wait for Win10, I've heard the will be something like that coming soon. 14:56 ElectronLibre (Or it was just a beggining project I don't remember well) 14:58 Zeno` scary 14:59 gravgun Meanwhile, /me stays on Linux, and won't come back to M$' operating system... 15:00 * Krock stays on Windows XP and waits for ReactOS 15:01 gravgun Is ReactOS still alive? 15:01 Amaz I think so. 15:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix bug in mesecon.mergetable that caused false rules 1329dc500 http://git.io/SkmrdA (152014-11-22T16:00:49+01:00) 15:01 gravgun Darn, jeija is fast! 15:02 * Zeno` stays on Linux and waits for Haiku 15:02 n4x >Haiku 15:02 n4x >not *BSD 15:03 Amaz Yep, I think it is: http://svn.reactos.org/svn/reactos/ 15:03 Zeno` nope... Haiku 15:03 gravgun Zeno`: I tested Haiku once, thought it was pretty neat; I also liked the blazing fast compile time for the whole OS, and also love the fact it's written in C++ 15:04 n4x written in C++? damn, lets remove it of my "awesome operation systems" list 15:04 gravgun n4x: it features a whole object-oriented API 15:05 n4x oh my 15:05 gravgun although C++ might not be the most loved language, it's still great 15:05 n4x how can someone live with that? 15:05 n4x that seems like the worst decision ever 15:05 gravgun >BeOS 15:07 gravgun It being written in C++ or any other language doesn't bother me; I just think an (official) OO API is awesome compared to functional C ones 15:07 gravgun Well C ones rocks too, but depends on which 15:07 gravgun (WinApi suxx) 15:07 n4x we need more high-level languages 15:07 gravgun Python? 15:08 sfan5 ^ 15:08 n4x no, something like Rust would do it 15:08 n4x Python would be worse than C++ 15:08 sfan5 n4x: relevant: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/3924c7ac5cf2c0573112 15:08 PenguinDad Let's write an os in Haskell ;) 15:08 gravgun x) 15:08 n4x PenguinDad knows 15:08 * n4x gives PenguinDad some high-order candy 15:09 gravgun I like Rust for its features, dislike it for its look 15:09 n4x Rust isn't finished 15:09 gravgun I know 15:09 n4x they want to have higher-kinded abstractions somewhen 15:09 n4x that would be beautiful 15:10 gravgun quick, learn to LLVM and make custom language 15:10 n4x who didn't make a toy language somewhen... 15:11 gravgun Me 15:11 gravgun Well 15:11 gravgun "not yet" 15:11 gravgun plan to 15:12 n4x gravgun: it isn't that hard, there are lots of things that make it easier 15:13 gravgun n4x: e.g. flex and yacc? 15:14 gravgun I plan on making the whole parser myself... 15:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zeno- -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix regression with USE_REDIS (refactor_main) 132146463 http://git.io/EWH3TA (152014-11-23T01:12:25+10:00) 15:14 n4x was talking about Parsec, or BNFC like things 15:14 n4x also, ADTs make it easier to make an interpreter or compiler 15:15 n4x gravgun: that is good if you don't care about the language itself, parsing is most boring task you can have 15:17 n4x have you played with functional languages gravgun? 15:18 gravgun n4x: "functional" as in non-OOP? 15:18 n4x functional as in Haskell, Scheme... 15:19 gravgun then no 15:19 n4x learn you a haskell for a great good! 15:19 Zeno` chicken 15:20 gravgun wat? 15:20 n4x http://learnyouahaskell.com/ 15:20 Zeno` http://www.call-cc.org/ 15:20 n4x abstract syntax trees are well, trees, and trees are beautiful in functional languages 15:20 * ElectronLibre gives Zeno` feathers 15:20 Zeno` lol 15:23 gravgun note to self: don't press Ctrl+Q by accident 15:23 n4x I looked at code I wrote like, 2 months ago and it already looks ugly 15:23 Zeno` probably written in Perl 15:24 n4x no, ugly in the sense that it has useless boilerplate around 15:28 n4x I am like jehovah's witness with Haskell 15:29 PenguinDad Do you have time to talk about our lord and savior Haskell? 15:30 n4x exactly! 15:38 luizrpgluiz hi 15:57 Krock http://i.imgur.com/BK673by.png 15:57 shadowzone Lol 15:58 ElectronLibre Two kicks at once, wow. 15:58 PenguinDad Krock: How do you write that blurry text in minetest? :P 15:59 Krock PenguinDad, censored. 15:59 * ElectronLibre loves the "feel my powaaah!" 15:59 PenguinDad [censored]Blurred text test[/censored] 16:00 PenguinDad Did it work? 16:03 kaeza 00,00no 16:03 ElectronLibre Krock, there is still something quite strange with minetest.exe when I launch it, there is an error message about a missing procedure's entry's point (translated from french..). 16:03 Krock ElectronLibre, got all dlls? 16:04 PenguinDad kaeza: that's sad :( 16:04 Krock ElectronLibre, can you send a screenshot? 16:04 Calinou hi 16:05 ElectronLibre I have all the dll founds in the bin directory of the last release (0.4.10). I'm gonna send you a screeshot, but it's in french... 16:07 y Calinou: they still suck 16:10 Calinou better than low-end NVIDIA/AMD GPUs, sometimes 16:11 y low-end _newer_ NVIDIA/AMD GPUs are still better than ''high-end'' _newer_ intel gpus 16:13 ElectronLibre Krock: https://mediacru.sh/jlujbB6bIE-s 16:14 kilbith Calinou: decrease the player's velocity/drifting in Carbone, bad for gameplay 16:14 Krock ElectronLibre, are you sure, you've got the version 1.8.1 of irrlicht.dll in bin\ ? 16:14 Calinou you mean, you want more acceleration? 16:14 Calinou current is good enough, feels semi-realistic 16:14 kilbith no, less 16:14 Calinou as for movement speed: it is unlikely to change 16:15 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Use iterative algorithm for mesecon.find_receptor_on, major performance improvement for large 13d19e975 http://git.io/Ih_SvQ (152014-11-22T17:12:48+01:00) 16:15 ElectronLibre Krock: I recompile again after having copied the file tu be sure. 16:15 kilbith when you jump+run from the water, you feel like a submarine's rocket 16:15 Calinou 4.8 has proven to be a very good value, however view bobbing doesn't follow it (sadly) 16:15 Calinou that's OK, swimming shouldn't be so slow 16:15 Calinou boats are still faster 16:15 Calinou (they are step-independent now) 16:15 kilbith are you feel like onto a rink when you're running in the lands 16:15 kilbith and* 16:17 Calinou it is running 16:17 Calinou 4 nodes/s is too slow, too boring 16:17 Calinou 4.3 (Minecraft) could be faster 16:17 Calinou 4.5 nodes/s is still a bit slow 16:17 ElectronLibre Here is what happen if I use the 1.8.1 SDK dll : http://pastie.org/9736682 (same message than earlier after I finally compiled to 100%) 16:17 Calinou 5 nodes/s a bit fast… so 4.8 is a good value 16:17 kilbith drifting is exagerate when you stop running 16:17 Calinou have you ever played Quake? 16:17 kilbith yes, a long time ago 16:17 Calinou there is less acceleration/friction even there 16:19 Xack hey Calinou :) 16:19 Calinou hi Xack 16:20 kaeza ElectronLibre, it's better if you build Irrlicht yourself 16:20 ElectronLibre Ok, I'm gonna compile it by myself to see. I will do that for all the dlls I need and I've got the sources of. 16:20 kaeza cd irrlicht-1.8.1/source/Irrlicht && mingw32-make CC=mingw32-gcc sharedlib_win32 16:21 ElectronLibre What happend without the CC? 16:21 y gravgun: please, don't even talk about powervr 16:21 kaeza it calls `cc`, but base mingw does not contain it 16:21 y I am using an "intel gma" of thoses that are actually powervrs 16:22 kaeza (it's just a link to `gcc` anyway) 16:22 ElectronLibre The default compiler set is Gnu GCC so.. 16:22 gravgun y: why? 16:22 gravgun oh 16:23 ElectronLibre gravgun, because. I think. 16:23 y those things are one of the reasons I hate humanity 16:23 gravgun ElectronLibre: 42? 16:23 y if you ever EVER, create something like that, and release it 16:23 y that is because you wanted to torture people 16:23 * ElectronLibre take 42, the universe meaning *-* 16:24 PenguinDad !c 42 << 1 16:24 MinetestBot 84 16:24 PenguinDad uhhh 16:26 Zeno` errrrrrrrrrr 16:27 Zeno` PenguinDad, was that a signed or unsigned 42? 16:27 PenguinDad Zeno`: dunno 16:27 PenguinDad !c -42 << 1 16:27 MinetestBot -84 16:27 Zeno` whoa! 16:28 gravgun !c sqrt(42) 16:28 MinetestBot NameError: name 'sqrt' is not defined 16:28 gravgun Nuuuuu 16:28 Zeno` I think that's undefined behaviour 16:28 Zeno` well... implementation defined 16:28 PenguinDad !c math.sqrt(42) 16:28 MinetestBot 6.48074069840786 16:28 PenguinDad ^ gravgun 16:28 gravgun \o/ 16:28 Zeno` !c math.pow(2, 2) 16:28 MinetestBot 4.0 16:28 gravgun it's lua? 16:28 sfan5 no 16:28 sfan5 python 16:28 Zeno` I dunno what it is lol 16:28 PenguinDad gravgun: python 16:29 Zeno` oh python... hmm 16:29 gravgun !c "a" + "b" 16:29 MinetestBot 'ab' 16:29 Zeno` I can't write python.. ignore my last !c 16:29 gravgun wow 16:29 gravgun !c "a"*3 16:29 MinetestBot 'aaa' 16:29 gravgun It's like an interactive shell 16:29 gravgun kewl 16:30 y a REPL 16:30 Calinou please don't play with the bot here 16:31 Zeno` !c "ok" 16:31 MinetestBot 'ok' 16:31 y sfan5: if I wrote an interpreter of my toy language, with timeout support 'n' stuff in Python, and made a plugin to MinetestBot that allows you to run it, would you install it? 16:31 * ElectronLibre now have got his own Irrlicht.dll 16:32 Calinou Python is fine, keep it 16:32 y it is python, as much as Java 16:39 sfan5 y: y not 16:39 y y not what 16:40 sfan5 >[...], would you install it? 16:40 y oh 16:40 y thanks 16:45 kaeza make a LUA bot pls 16:45 kaeza yes, LUA 16:48 PenguinDad We need HLUABot :D 16:49 sfan5 kaeza: ur not online on tox 16:50 y you scared him sfan5 16:50 kaeza sfan5, I accidentally my tox 16:51 kaeza also, it consumed *ALL* teh bandwidth while active :( 16:51 sfan5 wot 16:51 sfan5 what is your internet connection 16:51 kaeza yea, something like 100M per day or so 16:51 sfan5 ooh 16:51 sfan5 you mean that 16:52 sfan5 it uses about 2.5-7.5 KB/s up and down for me 16:52 kaeza sfan5, I'm on a 5GB plan; 100M of tox means 100M less for pr0n^Wproductive stuff 16:53 sfan5 oic 16:53 kaeza (also, my computer rebooted and I forgot to start it again, and other lame excuses) 16:53 sfan5 do you use internet over hspa/lte? 16:53 kaeza yes 16:54 * ElectronLibre is hopping Code::Blocks include crtdbg.h or he won't be able to compile Irllicht.. 16:54 sfan5 kaeza: where do you live again? 16:54 kaeza ElectronLibre, let me get you a working command line 16:54 kaeza sfan5, Uruguay 16:55 y I need help of any python programmer, how would you make an evaluator of an AST? a tree structure! 16:55 y working Haskell code that does what I mean http://dpaste.com/32QYZ3N 16:55 sfan5 kaeza: is it fast, at least? 16:56 sfan5 !g evaluate AST python 16:56 kaeza ElectronLibre, try `make CFLAGS+=-D__GNUC__` or so 16:56 MinetestBot sfan5: https://docs.python.org/2/library/ast.html 16:56 ElectronLibre Ok, thank you kaeza. 16:56 sfan5 nope 16:56 sfan5 thats not the one 16:56 kaeza sfan5, 1mbps down, 256kbps up 16:56 ElectronLibre (Actually it's mingw32-make but it doesn't change anything, I think) 16:56 sfan5 kaeza: that sucks, is it lte or hspa or even umts? 16:57 ElectronLibre It doesn't change anything.. so Code::Blocks is my last hope. 16:57 kaeza ElectronLibre, actually, it's CPPFLAGS=..., not CFLAGS 16:57 ElectronLibre Oups. 16:58 ElectronLibre And another missing library appears :D 16:58 ElectronLibre I'm gonna fix this one, thank you kaeza :). 16:58 kaeza sfan5, no idea, actually 16:58 kaeza ElectronLibre, np 17:00 sfan5 kaeza: umts is not actually what I was looking for;; it's probably hspa because hspa is fast enough for what you described 17:02 ShadowNinja kaeza: HLuaBot has the eval command, but it's owner-only. A public sandboxed one is hard since it has to run in a separate thread or you have to use alarm() or something to limit execution time. 17:02 kaeza the frontend here says WCDMA, not sure if that's it 17:03 kaeza ShadowNinja, but it's Lua, not LUA :( 17:03 ShadowNinja The thingy I did with LuaCs might work too. 17:03 ShadowNinja kaeza: Oh, miinip (or whatever his name is) has a bot for that. 17:33 ElectronLibre (Recompiling with hand-compiled Irrlicht.dll ; curl.dll started) 17:55 ElectronLibre Same error again and again.. I'm gonna end by give up.. 17:55 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx Hello. Minetest is free software right? does it mean, I can make with the content, screenshots, videos (etc) whatever I want, even monetize on youtube? 17:57 sfan5 depends on the content 17:57 sfan5 looks at the licenses 17:57 sfan5 some might have non-commerical clauses that (probably) prevent you from doing monetizing 17:57 gravgun xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: I think this kind of issue is more related to the game / mods / texture packs than to Minetest itself... 17:57 sfan5 but minetest & minetest_game (w/o mods or texture packs) is fine 17:58 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx so without mods, its complete free software? 17:59 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx (/textures) 17:59 rubenwardy Hi all! 17:59 sfan5 yes 17:59 sfan5 it's probably free software with mods too 18:00 sfan5 I don't know of any mod that isn't open source 18:03 gravgun sfan5: mods being open source or not is not the problem, it's the author's decision on "can you make money with it" 18:03 sfan5 thats what i meant 18:03 gravgun and remember open source != free 18:03 gravgun most free mods have licenses that permit that 18:04 gravgun but suppose an open source but nonfree mod exist and forbids that, he's trapped 18:28 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx is WTFPL the same as CC0 ? 18:28 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx I mean practically? 18:29 marktraceur xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: No, with WTFPL you retain copyright. 18:29 marktraceur CC0 releases to PD where possible. 18:29 marktraceur At least that's what I understand. 18:29 marktraceur IANALY. 18:29 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx ok, thanks 18:30 gravgun marktraceur: still, WTFPL is pretty permissive if I can say so :3 18:30 marktraceur It is. 18:31 marktraceur Functionally, in most cases, it's the same. 18:35 Calinou marktraceur, in France, it doesn't seem to be possible to release to public domain 18:36 marktraceur Calinou: So then they'd be pretty much the same thing. 18:36 marktraceur But only in that jurisdiction. 18:36 Calinou CC0 has warranty disclaimer and is more complete 18:36 Calinou also has no strong language 18:37 Calinou this is why the FSF approves, but does not recommend the WTFPL 18:37 marktraceur I thought there was a warranty disclaimer you could add to WTFPL 18:41 kaeza ElectronLibre, what issue are you having? 18:42 Calinou it is not included by default 18:42 Calinou thus = bad 18:43 kaeza I compiled irrlicht from sources successfully mucking around with `make` variables, but can't remember the procedure very well 18:44 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx Calinou and kaeza, if making youtube videos using your mods, is it necessary to credit you below each video, as asked fromk the CC-BY licence? 18:44 Calinou it would be impossible to attribute people individually 18:44 Calinou don't waste time doing it 18:45 kaeza I would be glad, but it's not really required 18:45 gravgun Just say which mods you use, and better, link to their homepages; credits are accessible from there 18:46 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx to the mod pages of the minetest wiki? 18:46 ElectronLibre Kaeza: Still the same error, unable to export a bunch of undefined symbols... 18:46 ElectronLibre And I used my own compiled Irrlicht.dll 18:47 kaeza but did you point to the correct libIrrlicht.a? 18:47 ElectronLibre Don't you mean .a? 18:47 ElectronLibre *.dll? 18:48 kaeza no, for linking, the DLL doesn't matter; the DLL is only loaded at runtime 18:48 ElectronLibre Because I was poiting on libirrlicht.a or something like that, and someone said it was wrong. 18:50 ElectronLibre *O* 18:50 gravgun ? 18:50 ElectronLibre Compiling working well with libirrlicht.a ... 18:51 kaeza \o/ 18:51 gravgun Of course, it's statically linked... 18:51 gravgun (dynamic linking suxx hard on Windows) 18:51 ElectronLibre I remember someone said it was wrong. 18:51 gravgun Me? " Le .a c'est pour le static link" 18:52 ElectronLibre Yes, I may have misheard you perhaps.. 18:52 gravgun Didn't say you musn't use it tho 18:52 ElectronLibre The only problem is now I get an error WHEN I start minetest xD 18:52 gravgun Awwww 18:52 kaeza what error? 18:53 ElectronLibre The same error than earlier. I seek the link. 18:53 kaeza when running, you need the DLL corresponding to the .a 18:53 ElectronLibre https://mediacru.sh/jlujbB6bIE-s 18:54 ElectronLibre Yes, obviously, I have Irrlicht.dll in the bin directory. 18:54 kaeza but is it the one you compiled? 18:54 Calinou Carbone will soon reach 400 commits 18:55 ElectronLibre Kaeza: Yes. 18:56 ElectronLibre With Code::Blocks (only way to compile with a missing Microsoft Visual C++ library). 18:56 Calinou Core::Blocks has an optional TDM-GCC bundle 18:56 ElectronLibre (A what?) 18:56 Calinou a compiler 18:56 ElectronLibre Yes, it's this one I used. 18:58 kaeza ElectronLibre, only thing that could be causing that issue is using a mismatching DLL 18:59 kaeza can you download Dependency Walker and see if you can find that symbol in your Irrlicht.dll? 18:59 ElectronLibre I'm gonna do it right now. 19:00 ElectronLibre Have you looked at the name of this symbol, because I saw something related to Irrlicht with a similar name (irrXML). 19:01 kaeza you should see something like this: https://mediacru.sh/tASFD9v6KJPG 19:01 ElectronLibre Ok. This program seems to be easy to use. 19:02 kaeza BTW, if you load `minetest.exe` in it, it can also help you find if you are missing any other DLLs 19:03 ElectronLibre Wow : The list is shown, but I get an error : "Errors were detected when processing "c:\minetest\......\bin\MINETEST.EXE". => Error: At least one required implicit or forwarded dependency was not found. 19:04 kaeza ignore it for now, look for `irrlicht.dll` and take a screenshot of what you see 19:04 ElectronLibre Irrlicht.DLL is drawn in red.. 19:07 kaeza huh? 19:07 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix compatibility with not yet updated mods that use mesecon:receptor_* 13a550323 http://git.io/n9FYBQ (152014-11-22T20:05:36+01:00) 19:07 ElectronLibre https://mediacru.sh/8iGkpw5ENXRq <== See there. 19:08 kaeza from the symbols on the list, it looks like it was probably not compiled with g++ 19:08 ElectronLibre And the two red functions in the middle top with a red C at their left are the names of the missing procedure entry's point. 19:08 kaeza are you sure you didn't copy MSVC's version of Irrlicht.dll? 19:08 ElectronLibre No, that's mine. 19:09 ElectronLibre I'm gonna check by copying the other mine to ./bin.. 19:10 ElectronLibre And if it's not mine, it's obviously the Win32-gcc one, because I've not copied another else. 19:11 * ElectronLibre has got an idea 19:11 ElectronLibre Why not download the MinGW 0.4.10 release and use the dll in it? 19:11 Krock Bad point of the skin database: Every skin is sent to the player- about 400 images! 19:13 kaeza ElectronLibre, C++ DLLs compiled with different compilers usually don't work because ABI incompatibility 19:13 kaeza actually name mangling or w/e 19:13 ElectronLibre Oh.. 19:15 ElectronLibre I've recompiled and copied Irrlicht.dll, and now the error is from elsewhere ._. 19:16 kaeza at least you solved a problem :P 19:16 kaeza what is the error now? 19:16 ElectronLibre And I think I know how to resolve this one. 19:16 ElectronLibre There is a missing function in Libvorbis.dll 19:16 kaeza I see 19:17 * ElectronLibre disables sound. 19:17 y lol 19:17 kaeza I just downloaded the pre-built DLLs that buildbot uses (except obviously Irrlicht and hiredis) 19:19 ElectronLibre Ladies and gentlemen, it works! 19:19 kaeza \o/ 19:20 ElectronLibre Ok, I have no sound, no cURL, and no gettext, but it works.. 19:20 ElectronLibre "God bless DLLs"... 19:20 kaeza at least it's a step forward 19:21 ElectronLibre Yes.. 2 months ago I didn't know how to compile, 1 month ago I learned how to do on Linux, and now I'm gonna do it for Windows. 19:22 kaeza don't blame DLLs, blame C++ 19:22 ElectronLibre I would thank all the people who helped me to do that, kaeza, Krock, and a few other I don't remember the names.. 19:22 kaeza you're quite welcome 19:23 AgentFire Hi kaeza 19:23 kaeza o/ 19:23 * ElectronLibre is not receiving a Grammy Award. Let's calm down. 19:23 ElectronLibre Hello AgentFire. 19:23 AgentFire Hello ElectronLibre 19:25 Krock ElectronLibre, were you able to run it now? 19:26 ElectronLibre Krock: Yes, it works. 19:26 Krock fine 19:26 ElectronLibre "It is alive! It moves! Who is crazy now? Mouhaha!" 19:26 y you are the crazy 19:27 ElectronLibre Ok, we're not in Frankenstein, but I'm so happy It took 8 hours but I did it x).. 19:27 GhostDoge y: we're all mad here :> 19:27 ElectronLibre y: If I had get one cent each time I've heard that... 19:27 y ElectronLibre: you'd have my two cents 19:29 ElectronLibre I would have a billion dollars, including your two cents :). 19:31 kaeza "Minetest was started by Perttu “celeron55” Ahola in October 2010, and is now developed by a random bunch of lunatics." 19:32 ElectronLibre That's so true... 19:33 * ElectronLibre get kicked by everyone. 19:33 * AgentFire kicks ElectronLibre 19:33 * AgentFire then apologizes and gives a large ice cream sundae 19:34 AgentFire Sorry, I can't do it, I can't be mean 19:35 ElectronLibre I think you can with me x)... 19:35 * ElectronLibre eats the ice cream before it melts. 19:36 AgentFire xD I love ice cream 19:38 ElectronLibre (My favorite tastes are apple and orange, but everything could be good.) 19:38 AgentFire (I love chocolate x)) 19:38 ElectronLibre So, thank you kaeza for this wonderful program you've shown me, Dependency Walker could be very useful to me in the future. 19:41 kaeza ElectronLibre, yw 19:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix bug in mesecon.find_receptor that caused false turnoffs and rewrite lever + 1380d1361 http://git.io/TotyVw (152014-11-22T20:49:54+01:00) 19:53 kilbith does we really to be notified from mesecons stuff ? 19:53 kilbith really need 19:53 ElectronLibre I was just wondering why mesecons is notified to us too.. and why not worldedit or something else. 19:55 PenguinDad ElectronLibre: we also get worldedit notifications 19:55 kilbith wordedit is essential, but mesecons... :/ 19:56 ElectronLibre Ok.. because it's part of the most used mods on servers? 19:57 Jeija Well, you won't get notified too often; just a couple of times on like 5 days a year that I work on the project 20:01 VanessaE mesecons is essential :) 20:01 Krock kilbith, mesecons are important 20:01 Megaf Hi everyone 20:01 Krock <3 Jeija 20:02 kilbith oh really ? for what ? for whom ? 20:02 Megaf so, I think I corrected all spelling errors. https://github.com/Megaf/leprechaun_tools/blob/master/story.md 20:04 Megaf VanessaE: my players are protesting on my server right now 20:05 VanessaE Megaf: why? 20:05 Megaf VanessaE: they are protesting agains the skins, because theres so much more male skins than females 20:05 ElectronLibre Megaf, what?! 20:05 VanessaE oh well 20:05 VanessaE get more skins off of one of the usual sites then 20:05 Megaf I would, but there is no easy way to add skins to that mod 20:06 Megaf the python scripts to generate preview and stuff are broekn 20:06 Megaf broken* 20:10 Krock It seems as the combination of the mods homedecor, pipeworks, mesecons and moretrees are not good. 20:10 VanessaE Krock: what's wrong? 20:10 Krock My 1st server has them and my 2nd not. The 1st server is also the one with the most timeouts because the clients lag out themselves 20:11 VanessaE that's not gonna be a mod issue 20:11 VanessaE that's an engine issue 20:11 kilbith Krock: your homedecor is pretty outdated, though 20:11 Krock I guess so. I see no other reason 20:11 Krock kilbith, tat means, it has less stuff than the current. even signs are turned off 20:12 VanessaE update to latest and just remove the signs mod if you don't want it 20:13 Krock I'll use the map saving feature to test if it's compatible 20:14 casimir In formspec "list[context;fuel;2,3;1,1;]" What am I supposed to use as "context"? 20:15 ElectronLibre Oh, I remember now. How to use this feature about Saving the map of a server in the local system? 20:16 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9d69436052c32bc218352fc991be157a4f135b9d#diff-2fb5b44f6775f04cbd1e45bc2dfeb8b8R168 20:16 VanessaE /p set 20:17 VanessaE ops 20:17 Krock xD 20:17 VanessaE oops 20:17 Krock mhm homedecor isn't just homedecor.. 20:17 VanessaE it's homedecor_modpack 20:17 VanessaE and if you want to get rid of some component, you just delete it 20:17 Krock much changed since I saw it last time :3 20:19 CWz what is "dedicated_server_step" 20:19 Krock thrad minetest.conf.example 20:19 Krock *read 20:21 Krock oh fine. the terrain regenerates on the local copy 20:22 VanessaE Krock: what regenerates? 20:22 Krock the dirt turned into sand o.o 20:22 rubenwardy !title https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/8bfeca7880358a70e364 20:22 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Mathematical Expression Parser in Ruby 20:22 Krock and I lag as hell on singleplayer 20:22 Krock oh. memory overflow 20:25 * ElectronLibre gives Krock memory. 20:25 Krock VanessaE: 21:29:39: ERROR[main]: mod "homedecor" has unsatisfied dependencies: "building_blocks" "signs_lib" 20:27 kaeza casimir, "context" refers to the inventory from where to get the list 20:28 kaeza err, ignore that 20:28 casimir And how do I know what the inventory (of the node) is called? 20:28 kaeza https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1249 20:28 casimir Ah, overseen that. 20:28 kaeza casimir, if you assign the formspec string to the metadata of a node, "context" refers to "this very node's metadata" 20:29 kaeza I'm not sure if "context" makes any sense on e.g. `show_formspec` 20:29 kaeza s/metadata/inventory/ 20:30 VanessaE Krock: wat? it's not supposed to hard-dep on signs_lib... 20:30 VanessaE building_blocks, yes because it needs materials from that 20:31 Krock :/ 20:31 VanessaE hm, strange. it does hard-dep on it. 20:31 * VanessaE looks into it more 20:32 VanessaE you'll want building_blocks, it supplies about a dozen or so base materials that turned out to be VERY useful to craft with in HD 20:33 Megaf kilbith: my newest mod, I believe its stable now 20:33 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/leprechaun_tools 20:33 Megaf it adds tools made of leprechaun crystal 20:33 kilbith the looney's toons mod ? 20:33 kaeza it has horses, so it's stable 20:33 kaeza <_< 20:33 Megaf leprechain crystal is a syntetic crystal made from diamonds and mese 20:34 kilbith ah 20:34 Megaf kaeza: lmao 20:35 kilbith Megaf: can't test your mod, not played MT since 8 days :'( 20:36 casimir Thank you kaeza, but it seems to be complicated in my case... 20:36 Megaf my mod is not working 20:36 Megaf have to take a look the recipes 20:37 kaeza casimir, you're quite welcome 20:38 VanessaE Krock: fixing the signs_lib dependency now. 20:40 luizrpgluiz the maximum size of the blocks is a resolution of 150x150? 20:42 VanessaE a texture can be any size 20:42 VanessaE preferably a power of two 20:42 VanessaE 64, 128, 256, 512, .... 20:43 Megaf kilbith: you need to buy a laptop asap 20:43 luizrpgluiz Megaf: hi Megaf :) 20:44 Krock VanessaE, fences.lua contains a function call of it 20:44 VanessaE Krock: fixed in git. 20:44 VanessaE signs_lib is now optional. 20:44 Krock okay thanks 20:44 VanessaE building_blocks is still required. 20:44 Megaf hi there 20:44 VanessaE (many recipes won't work without it) 20:44 Krock :/ 20:45 kilbith we should offer alt. recipes for those materials... 20:46 kilbith Megaf: I'd prefer a better RPi-build with Irrlicht 1.7 ;) 20:47 VanessaE Krock: seems like building_blocks is optional in the sense of it not being more than a depends.txt issue 20:47 jin_xi hm, so i built head, and it feels quite fast. bt when flying around with debug graphs on i noticed they sometimes jump, like the entire bar is shifted in y direction and sometimes cut. so i wonder if that has been the case before and i never noticed or if its a new phenomenon 20:48 VanessaE Krock: update and try it without signs_lib or building_blocks now. 20:48 Krock VanessaE, it works :) 20:49 VanessaE Krock: of course you can expect many recipes not to work now without the latter. hope you're in creative mode :) 20:50 Krock there are like 3 pages of nodes more than in my old version 0.0 20:50 VanessaE yup 20:50 Krock unified inventory pages 20:50 VanessaE kilbith had a lot to do with some of that 20:51 kilbith ... and it's not finished :P 20:51 kilbith (kidding) 20:59 Megaf I need help please. is there anything wrong with the recipe? https://github.com/Megaf/leprechaun_tools/blob/master/init.lua#L66 21:00 shadowzone I think it's a little too expensive but other than that looks fine 21:00 VanessaE looks okay to me? 21:00 VanessaE is there some crash you're trying to work through 21:00 VanessaE ? 21:02 Megaf Well, I try to craft the crystal but nothing happens 21:02 Megaf I'm trying* 21:02 Megaf oh wait, I see what I'm doing wrong 21:02 Jordach Megaf, output = 'leprechaun_tools:leprechaun_crystal 2', 21:03 VanessaE that just makes it cheaper but doesn't explain why it ain't working. 21:03 Jordach s/2/1/g 21:03 VanessaE not necessary 21:04 Megaf I'm sorry folks, mod is actually working 21:04 VanessaE ... 21:05 VanessaE I was gonna say, there's nothing wrong with this recipe.. 21:05 Megaf someone it was unmarked on the list of enabled mods 21:06 Megaf somehow* 21:06 Megaf Is this the week of typos or something? 21:06 RealBadAngel or just new keys as in my case ;) 21:06 luizrpgluiz Megaf: your items is very fast 21:07 PenguinDad Megaf: probably 21:07 Megaf shadowzone: That crystal can make powerful tools, do you think that could be more apropriated if it gave two crystals? 21:07 shadowzone True 21:07 Megaf RealBadAngel: I'm using a new keyboard too, actually a new laptop, so I'm getting used to it 21:09 RealBadAngel Megaf, http://www.a4tech.com/images/products/Accessary/KD-800L_410X220.jpg 21:09 RealBadAngel this is my new one 21:12 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Re-implement settings system: 13f977ac8 http://git.io/mERiXw (152014-11-22T22:09:26+01:00) 21:18 Jordach wait 21:18 Jordach jeija is alive 21:19 Jeija I guess so 21:19 PenguinDad Jordach: you're early at noticing this :P 21:19 Jordach :O 21:19 Jordach TIL 21:20 Megaf RealBadAngel: I've seen it 21:20 Jordach Jeija, i missed ya 21:20 Megaf i like the looks :) 21:20 Megaf Hi Jeija, thanks for merging my fences 21:20 Jeija But I guess I will only be "alive" for a couple of days and then go back to half a year of hibernation again 21:20 RealBadAngel holy shit! hi Jeija! 21:21 Jeija Hi RealBadAngel 21:21 Jordach Jeija, you're like a relic of the days of 20120116 21:22 Jeija @Megaf: I didn't merge your fences yet. Could you move them to a seperate directory (like mesecons_conductingfence) and use mesecon.register_node for node registration? 21:22 Jeija If so, that would be really nice and make things easier for me. 21:22 shadowzone hi jeija 21:23 Megaf Jeija: sure 21:23 Megaf I will be that later on 21:23 Megaf at the moment Im talking to the folks on my server about my new mod there, the Leprechaun tools, I think they liked it :) 21:24 AgentFire At what level can entire mese blocks spawn? 21:25 kilbith <= -1024 21:26 AgentFire Okay, I've still got to go deeper 21:27 Jeija Btw, has something like https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/490 been implemented in the time I was gone? I tried to rebase it to the current minetest, but things have changed too much. 21:31 Megaf Jeija: I dont think so 21:31 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Jeija -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #156 from HybridDog/ov_it 13fb5c9ed http://git.io/4nsnIA (152014-11-22T22:30:31+01:00) 21:37 AgentFire Mese is a part of the Mesecons mod right? 21:37 ElectronLibre Mese node is in default mod, in the minetest_game. 21:37 Jeija No, mesecons only re-defines it to use it as a conductor 21:37 ElectronLibre Mesecons, mese wires are defined in mesecons(/wires) 21:39 gravgun Jeija: sorry if it's already been asked; but are color-coded mese wires possible? 21:40 Jeija Like insulated wires with different colors? 21:40 gravgun Yes 21:41 Jeija Technically possible, yes. But I haven't coded it. Also, the performance impact of this would be quite large. 21:41 Jeija As for every wire color one has to register like a hundred nodes, which makes the minetest engine slow (especially slow to start up). 21:42 gravgun If at least MT would let us create node subtypes 21:42 Jeija I recommend to just use insulated wiring, you can achive the same thing with that (it may not be as comfortable as with colored wire however) 21:43 gravgun TBH I amlost never played with mesecons, but I thought it could be an idea (was comparing to MC's RedPower mod in my head) 21:43 RealBadAngel Jeija, we are going to have specialized wirelike drawtype for such things, so only one nodedef will be required 21:43 luizrpgluiz Megaf: which mods you created yourself so far? 21:45 LazyJ Does anyone know what the fate of mapgen v7 is? 21:45 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge branch 'doorsounds' 13a814abd http://git.io/_ndWpg (152014-11-22T22:43:12+01:00) 21:46 RealBadAngel Jeija, atm im changing drawtypes: http://i.imgur.com/GYVEWmK.png 21:46 RealBadAngel and http://i.imgur.com/36CFEmh.png 21:46 RealBadAngel the second shows how vga like signlike will look like 21:49 AgentFire Which is better for mining? 21:49 AgentFire Mese or Diamonds 21:50 RealBadAngel laser ;) 21:50 RealBadAngel or a mining drill 21:51 Jeija That looks really awesome, RealBadAngel 21:53 RealBadAngel Jeija, check plants with shaders on: http://i.imgur.com/TwSDoSm.png 21:53 AgentFire RealBadAngel: Umm, I don't think that's installed on the server 21:53 AgentFire Jeija: I have a question for you 21:54 RealBadAngel AgentFire, you need technic for those 21:55 AgentFire Jeija: How do I get a button and a powered rail to work? 21:55 gravgun RealBadAngel: VGA signlike? How will it be controlled lua-side? 21:55 RealBadAngel gravgun, video memory in meta 21:56 gravgun nice :) 21:56 Jeija AgentFire, I have nothing to do with powered rails. Where do you have them from? 21:57 AgentFire I don't know what mod they're in, I'm playing on a server, but they are apparently powered my mese torches 21:57 RealBadAngel gravgun, so basically vga drawtype will be a monitor 21:57 VanessaE carts mod, AgentFire 21:57 gravgun RealBadAngel: with pixel-manipulation possible, or will it be VGA text-mode only? 21:57 VanessaE it provides the powered rails. 21:57 RealBadAngel gravgun, for start text only 21:58 gravgun \o/ 21:58 VanessaE as for getting them to work, use a mese block as a conductor, and a wall lever to turn it on. [rail][block][lever] 21:58 gravgun Expecting pixel impatiently 21:58 RealBadAngel but i do plan lotsa more, including video streams 21:58 gravgun \\\o/// 21:58 gravgun Nyan cat live MT streaming 21:58 gravgun Oh wait we can do that with VGA already 21:59 RealBadAngel mt is capable of playing audio streams since ages, just nobody used that feature 21:59 gravgun I was not even aware 21:59 RealBadAngel why not allow the same for video? 21:59 gravgun and now I'm amazed 21:59 VanessaE aalib for minetest? ;) 22:00 RealBadAngel mt uses openal, which is capable of playing ogg streams 22:00 gravgun Oh please RealBadAngel, implement libcaca VGA-like video playback! 22:00 * ShadowLadyXD think she broke her PC with Minecraft 22:00 gravgun 22:00 khonkhortisan must've been the redstone 22:00 gravgun Mese tastes 4x better! 22:01 ShadowLadyXD Probably 22:01 gravgun Trust me 22:01 gravgun I tested 22:01 gravgun Had a bad day afterwards 22:02 RealBadAngel with some little code one could make internet radio mods for mt 22:03 gravgun RealBadAngel: MT may support them C++-wise, but how does one do that Lua-wise? 22:06 khonkhortisan os.execute 22:06 AgentFire Jeija: Yeah the carts mod 22:19 kaeza mt is capable of playing audio streams since ages, just nobody used that feature 22:20 kaeza software sound generation/tone generation/whatever it is called would be awesome 22:20 kaeza maybe not... 22:21 kaeza also, MOD music, because fuck MIDI 22:21 MinetestBot 02[git] 04jeija@mesecons.net -> 03Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix crafting with the default mesecon wire 13fc4d675 http://git.io/_3m-Aw (152014-11-22T23:20:29+01:00) 22:21 PenguinDad Minetest: Now with builtin additive and subtractive synthesis! 22:23 kaeza also, playing sounds at different pitches/frequencies/whatever 22:23 kaeza there is tons of functionality for graphics, but almost none for sounds :( 22:23 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx are you implementing music for Minetest? 22:23 kilbith kaeza: eventually like a cee-bee ? 22:25 kilbith hmm, don't know how it's called in english 22:25 kaeza the what? 22:25 kilbith trying to find the good name 22:25 kilbith citizen-band radio 22:26 kaeza ah :P 22:26 kilbith it already exist online 22:27 kilbith you can listen private conversation with that 22:30 kaeza suddenly: MinetestOS 0.4.15, now with built-in support for VNC! 22:34 PenguinDad kaeza: MT Studio: The only DAW with a block based piano roll! :P 22:34 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx MinetestOS exists? 22:34 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx o.0 22:34 kaeza :D 22:36 VanessaE xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: yeah, it uses emacs as its kernel 22:36 * VanessaE hides 22:38 ElectronLibre VanessaE: And gcc, g++, lua an json as its drivers? 22:39 VanessaE heh 22:40 PenguinDad and MinetestOS is of course written Emacs Lisp 22:40 jin_xi or write cpp compiler in elisp then compile emacs with it 22:41 VanessaE bbl 22:43 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx lol 22:43 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx but I have recently thought about it, that a minetest OS would be a good idea 22:44 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx you could use Chests as Folders, and Nodes / Items as Files :) 22:44 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx And Systemdaemons would be mobs 22:45 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx system notifications would be spoken by a guard 22:45 xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx NPCs 22:53 Megaf Does Hybrid Dog joins this server? 22:53 Megaf channel* 22:55 PenguinDad Megaf: yes under the name w_laenger afaik 22:58 Megaf oh 22:58 Megaf ok 22:58 Megaf And whats Krock's github name? 22:59 kilbith smalljoker 23:00 Megaf Oh, at least I knew that 23:21 Megaf Ok, I do need help now 23:21 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/minetest-mod-mesecons/blob/master/mesecons_mese_fence/init.lua 23:25 Megaf Yep, that too 23:25 Megaf I wish Jeija still here 23:26 btoothpick Greets 23:33 Megaf done 23:33 Megaf fixed 23:33 Megaf missing commas... 23:51 Megaf !seen w_laenger 23:51 MinetestBot Megaf: w_laenger was last seen at 2014-06-13 15:30:43 UTC on #minetest 23:59 Megaf VanessaE: So, in my conducting fences mesecons mod, they were called mesecons_random:conductingfence