Time Nick Message 00:00 RealBadAngel you dont have to 00:01 RealBadAngel it will be filled in 00:01 RealBadAngel only argument you are passing is above = true/false 00:01 RealBadAngel and fuction will return pos or nil 00:02 RealBadAngel pointed_thing is not an argument 00:02 jordan4ibanez This is what I'm trying to achieve. 00:02 jordan4ibanez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ4r5SYOJM4&feature=youtu.be 00:04 jordan4ibanez But the method I'm using is inefficient and buggy 00:05 RealBadAngel you mean showing on hud what are you pointing at? 00:05 jordan4ibanez Yes 00:06 RealBadAngel local pos = minetest.get_pointed_thing_position(pointed_thing, above) 00:06 RealBadAngel local node=minetest.env:get_node(pos) 00:07 RealBadAngel just place it in your dstep loop 00:08 RealBadAngel .env is not needed 00:08 RealBadAngel it was copied over from old code 00:08 jordan4ibanez Dude, I haven't coded in a long time, where is the dstep loop? 00:09 jordan4ibanez for minetest* 00:09 RealBadAngel make one 00:11 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/blob/master/item_names.lua#L36 00:12 RealBadAngel ^^example 00:13 RealBadAngel that function displays on HUD name of selected (wielded) item, pretty similar to your task 00:13 RealBadAngel just instead of checkin inventories of connected players, get their pointed things 00:24 jordan4ibanez RealBadAngel: Even when I just do this, it gives an error for pointed thing http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=txGeQY97 00:35 jordan4ibanez The thing is, I don't know if pointed thing is constantly sent to server like the player's position is 00:35 jordan4ibanez so I could be looking for something that's not even in the c++ 01:18 VanessaE http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/09/09/2334235/report-microsoft-to-buy-minecraft-studio-for-2bn 01:18 VanessaE ^^^^^^ can we handle the overflow? :) 01:18 * VanessaE expects refugees soon... :P 01:42 Wings Hi. 01:43 Wings Is anyone there? 01:43 Wings **sigh* 01:43 Wings T_T 01:43 Wings BYe 02:13 blaise wow, he waited a hole minute 02:58 blaise is there a specific version of opengl minetest uses? 03:00 VanessaE whatever your system has/whatever it was built with. 03:00 VanessaE varies from machine to machine 03:00 jordan4ibanez latest one that your computer can use 03:00 VanessaE RBA has like 2.x on his box 03:00 VanessaE mine has 4.x 03:00 blaise a friend of mine is asking all kinds of questions about minetest due to the news of MS aquiring MC 03:00 blaise lmao 03:01 blaise can minetest support opengl 4.5 yet? 03:01 VanessaE I don't see why not. 03:01 VanessaE try it and see? 03:01 VanessaE most of what it does as far as OpenGL is up to irrlicht 03:01 VanessaE so it's whatever irrlicht supports 03:03 blaise he's worried about irrlicht not being developed anymore 03:03 blaise :\ 03:04 VanessaE naw 03:04 VanessaE irrlicht is active. 03:10 blaise he's very sceptical, says he doesn't see big community yet 03:10 blaise :G 03:11 blaise makes me wanna make flyers and dump them on all the cars in the DC metro 03:12 blaise and, efnet split 03:12 blaise lmao 03:12 VanessaE heh 03:12 VanessaE yeah right 03:12 VanessaE that'll go over well 03:13 blaise VanessaE: putting flyers on the public transit system of the nations capital? 03:13 VanessaE yeah, you'll get cited for littering or something :) 03:13 blaise they 03:13 VanessaE it's DC, remember? 03:14 blaise would have to catch me fist.. 03:14 blaise s/fist/first/ 03:14 VanessaE this is the same town where people can't figure out the idea that money != speech (it only pays for the medium through which it occurs) 03:15 blaise most towns are like that 03:15 blaise hell, I know a few minetest servers that are like that. 03:15 VanessaE heh 03:33 blaise I want an AMD R9 295X2 03:33 blaise :o 03:34 * blaise drools all over himself 03:34 VanessaE I have an R9 280X. it's nice. 03:34 blaise I'm stuck in decade old computer hardware land 03:34 VanessaE sowwy :) 03:34 * blaise sobs profusely 04:35 asie http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/09/us-mojang-microsoft-deals-idUSKBN0H42HY20140909 04:35 asie i could have listened to you ;-; 04:41 VanessaE soon, the flood of minecraft refugees 04:41 VanessaE :) 04:41 asie VanessaE: We should make an indiegogo fund to finish the missing Minetest stuff 04:42 asie that is, the client-side Lua API 04:42 asie and fund a proper pixel artist 04:42 asie I'd pay 04:42 asie Especially if we make it now when everyone fears for the worst... this could be successful 04:42 VanessaE *nod* 04:42 VanessaE these things are needed 04:42 VanessaE good luck getting people to actually DO the work though 04:42 asie That's where money comes in 04:42 VanessaE maybe mojang employees will come to the good side? ;) 04:42 asie and indiegogo 04:43 asie VanessaE: nope 04:43 asie I'm sure we have some talented devs on here 04:43 VanessaE indeed we have 04:44 VanessaE but our current devs would tell you they are either overworked or just lack the time 04:44 VanessaE and I expect money will not serve as effective motivation 04:47 VanessaE (you can't create time where none exists, and money will not reduce a person's workload to make room for a project) 04:54 asie VanessaE: yes, but some things don't need creativity 04:54 asie like optimizing the code in some places 04:54 asie and about creativity... with better textures and optimized code 04:54 VanessaE true 04:55 asie we will have a much larger playerbase 04:55 asie most people i met were only put off by the slowness of some areas and by the ugly textures 04:55 asie literally 04:55 VanessaE but that still needs time and effort, which the current devs will tell you they cannot expend. 04:55 asie of course 04:55 asie but we cannot waste time if the thing happens 04:55 asie there are many people trying to be the next Minecraft 04:55 asie many corporates, too 05:02 azaki http://www.osnews.com/comments/27937 05:02 azaki discuss. 05:03 VanessaE azaki: see previous logs 05:03 VanessaE we were already discussing this. 05:03 azaki are the logs online? :p 05:03 VanessaE yep :P 05:03 VanessaE however there's little to discuss right now. 05:04 VanessaE http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-09-10#i_3904623 05:04 azaki if this deal goes through, i predict a lot of new users and contributors to minetest 05:04 VanessaE as do I 05:04 VanessaE because we all know Microsoft's usual strategy with their acquisitions 05:04 VanessaE you know what's REALLY sad though? 05:05 azaki well, i can think of several things. 05:05 VanessaE if there's ONE thing I have always said Microsoft was good at - and I mean genuinely good - it was making video games. They always used to be unparalleled at that. 05:05 VanessaE wtf happened? 05:05 VanessaE (and remember, I don't like MS at all) 05:06 azaki It's my first visit here, so I can't remember much... 05:06 azaki :p 05:06 VanessaE why do they need to buy up game companies to try to fix their game business? 05:06 azaki I never played Microsoft's games as far as I can recall. 05:06 VanessaE azaki: ah ok, no worries. Welcome to the channel then :) 05:06 azaki I'm so charismatic that I'm already part of the group! :) 05:07 VanessaE folks who know me here know I ... eh ... rather dislike MS with a passion :) 05:07 azaki Well, I'm a bit of a freetard, so I dislike both Microsoft and Apple. 05:08 azaki Everyone thinks RMS is crazy, but the world keeps proving him right. 05:10 azaki As for why Microsoft feels the need to buy game franchises, I guess because quality isn't enough, they want quantity. This is a company that wants vendor lock-in. 05:10 azaki A handful of games isn't enough to keep people locked into Windows or Xbox. They need a lot. 05:10 VanessaE the world keeps proving RMS right, but he IS crazy ;) 05:11 VanessaE good point, I tend to forget the whole vendor lock-in thing 05:11 VanessaE been using Linux for too many years. :) 05:12 azaki RMS' problem seems to be that he's just terrible at marketing and PR. If you've ever seen Eben Moglen's talks, he basically says the same things as RMS, but he says it so eloquently, that you're just amazed. Even is a hell of a wordsmith. 05:12 azaki Eben** 05:14 azaki wow, you werent kidding. i just checked the logs. you were talking about it moments before i came in XD 05:14 VanessaE nice 05:14 VanessaE yep heh 05:14 azaki If you guys want to be the next minecraft, you might need a more catchy name. "Minetest" is good for a game engine 05:14 VanessaE yeah, I don't get to look a lot of talks. 05:15 azaki but some people might be confused if it's the name of a product 05:15 VanessaE yeah, we've been down this road before too: 05:15 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5800 05:18 azaki how about "Mineshaft" 05:18 azaki :p 05:18 VanessaE hah 05:19 VanessaE that's what players will be calling Minecraft after Microsoft has their way with it ;) 05:19 azaki ;o 05:20 azaki one thing that notch probably doesn't understand here 05:20 azaki is that if microsoft is offering 2 billion dollars for this 05:20 azaki then it's clear that they have some kind of evil plans or something. :p 05:21 VanessaE heh 05:21 azaki they might try to just hijack the whole community and create a social network out of it or something 05:21 azaki or maybe they're planning to use it as a lobby system for the xbox 05:21 azaki or, who knows 05:22 azaki "Megaminer" 05:22 azaki c: 05:23 VanessaE oh boy. 05:24 VanessaE well we'll have to see what they do 05:25 azaki so what distros are people on? 05:25 azaki i'm on arch. 05:25 VanessaE I use Xubuntu on my desktop and Debian on my servers 05:25 azaki i'm a gentoo refugee. used it for years, got sick of compiling everything. 05:27 azaki so, when's minetest getting wayland support? ;D 05:27 VanessaE HAH! 05:27 VanessaE when someone codes it along with Xmir ;) 05:27 VanessaE or whatever that other one was 05:27 VanessaE (been a while since I heard about either one) 05:28 azaki I'm hoping canonical will change it's mind when they realize that they've bitten off more than they can chew. 05:28 azaki they've basically decided to maintain their own GTK, Qt, SDL, and driver forks. 05:28 VanessaE I dunno, they're kinda stubborn about things. 05:28 azaki because upstream isn't going to be accepting their patches. 05:29 azaki well, they decided to adopt systemd 05:29 azaki :) 05:29 VanessaE I'm glad I use Xubuntu then, it's still real Xorg and so forth under the hood, as far as I know anyway 05:29 azaki has anyone ever linked you to daniel stone's wayland talk? 05:29 azaki it's really funny XD 05:29 azaki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44 05:29 VanessaE I may watch that later 05:29 VanessaE but for now I think I better watch something else: 05:30 VanessaE my dreams :) 05:30 azaki night. 05:30 azaki i often re-watch that talk occasionally, because it's funny as heck. lol 05:30 VanessaE I will return tomorrow. good night :) 05:31 VanessaE oh, meanwhile: 05:31 VanessaE if you wanna talk core dev stuff, #minetest-dev when it's active. 05:31 VanessaE but expect resistance to anything too radical :) 05:31 azaki is minetest beginner-friendly? for someone who doesn't yet code? :p 05:32 VanessaE modding-wise, yes 05:32 VanessaE Lua is easy to learn 05:32 VanessaE and the API isn't hard to use either, though the API doc is hard to read at times. 05:32 azaki i've done various tutorials in the past, for C, and other stuff. i've just never like.. stuck with it. 05:32 azaki i ADD too much. 05:32 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 05:32 azaki i have trouble focusing. but i've always wanted to get into it. 05:32 azaki ideally i wish i had a mentor. ;o 05:33 azaki who would be tolerant of my questions. 05:33 VanessaE read some Lua tutorials, skim through that ^^^^^ and look at time Minetest mods to get an idea of how the code goes together 05:33 VanessaE it's pretty easy 05:33 VanessaE look at some* 05:33 VanessaE we're all quite tolerant of questions on this channel 05:34 VanessaE on -dev, you have to limit your conversation to the C++ engine core for the most part 05:34 VanessaE but here it's general discussion including modding 05:34 azaki is the engine hard to deal with in general, or is it just the fact that it's in C++ that makes it hard. 05:35 VanessaE using the engine API from a mod is easy. making changes to the C++ code i.e. to be included in future versions of the engine is harder. 05:35 VanessaE you don't need to touch C++ at all to write a mod 05:36 azaki i've always wanted to learn a lower level language. 05:36 VanessaE all you need is that lua_api.txt I pointed to, knowledge of the Lua language, and some basic concept of how a mod works 05:36 azaki ok 05:36 VanessaE anywho, I gotta go before I fall asleep :) 05:37 VanessaE just ask anything you need to, if someone is around you should get a good answer 05:37 VanessaE (and a few smartass ones ;) ) 05:37 VanessaE good night 06:43 jordan4ibanez Can anyone see any way to simplify this? ((math.floor(((timeofday) % 24000)*2400)-(hour*100))/50)*30 06:43 jordan4ibanez And hour math.floor(((timeofday) % 24000)*24) 06:43 jordan4ibanez Conversion from 24000 to 24 hour 06:45 jordan4ibanez Well actually this is the complete minute equation math.floor(((math.floor(((timeofday) % 24000)*2400)-(hour*100))/50)*30) 06:46 jordan4ibanez With this you can have real time on 24 hour servers 06:47 blaise I have real time on my 24 hour server 06:48 blaise I just set 365 day years and a 1 to 1 hour ratio 06:48 blaise in minetest.conf 06:48 blaise then I set the time.. 06:49 blaise the only confusing part is minutes is specified in 100ths of an hour 06:49 jordan4ibanez Exactly, that's the conversion from 100ths to 60ths 06:49 blaise so if you want to set it to 4:30AM the server command would be /time 04500 06:50 blaise or wait 06:50 blaise maybe it's 00450 06:50 blaise nono, it's 04500 06:50 blaise XD 06:50 blaise jordan4ibanez: so are you putting it into a mod? 06:51 jordan4ibanez Yes 06:51 blaise to set the server time every so often? 06:51 jordan4ibanez no it's the advanced gui mod I'm making 06:51 blaise the machine that runs my server also hosts an ntp daemon.. it's in sync with stratum 2 06:52 blaise it's relatively close to the accuracy of an atomic clock, since it's synced against one.. :D 06:53 blaise I feel like there should me a minetest.conf option to have the game time be consistent with the machine time.. 06:55 blaise !server midnight 06:55 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 1/15, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 756ms 06:57 jordan4ibanez lol constantly do conversions of os.time with a 2400 hour to 24000 minute conversion 06:57 blaise time_speed = 1 06:57 blaise year_days = 365 06:58 blaise no way, that's like biting your face off to spite your nose 06:59 jordan4ibanez Just have it check the os.time at 12000 and 24000 and set it to os.time 06:59 jordan4ibanez that way the small lags will be adjusted every halfday 07:00 blaise why would there be lag? 07:00 blaise time keeping shouldn't be affected by game latency 07:00 jordan4ibanez I don't know 07:00 jordan4ibanez what if your server goes down and the cron job restarts it, then it's off by a few minutes 07:00 blaise the only time I ever have to set the time on the minetest server is if I have to restart minetestd 07:01 blaise I actually don't have a cron handeling that atm 07:01 blaise I need to do something about that though 07:04 blaise !up midnightsystems.net 07:04 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (1089ms) 07:04 blaise :0 07:05 blaise speaking of latency 07:05 blaise witfh! 07:10 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: tried setting the 'time_speed' setting? 07:10 jordan4ibanez no no, this is for the gui mod, 12 hour conversion 07:10 sfan5 ah, kk 07:11 sfan5 why do you want it simplified? 07:11 sfan5 just explain it with comments and it'll be ok ;) 07:12 jordan4ibanez uhhh 07:13 jordan4ibanez Because I'm fancy 07:13 jordan4ibanez there 07:20 jordan4ibanez sfan5: try! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10095 07:20 blaise hrmmmmm 07:22 jordan4ibanez Can I try it on your server blaise? 07:22 blaise I need to set up a cron job that will run "/etc/init.d/minetest-server status" and if it says crashed to issue "/etc/init.d/minetest-server restart" 07:22 jordan4ibanez I want to see how the lag affects it 07:22 blaise jordan4ibanez: lmao 07:22 jordan4ibanez from not being local 07:22 blaise yeah, sure 07:22 jordan4ibanez I didn't mean it like that oh god why 07:23 jordan4ibanez Which one is yours? 07:25 jordan4ibanez And blaise make sure you download it now, before I updated it, it calculated the time FOR EACH PLAYER 07:26 blaise wow dude 07:26 blaise each player? 07:26 blaise what kinda honky bullarnky is that? 07:27 jordan4ibanez Is it uuuuuuuuup 07:27 blaise I don't know where "it" is.. my server is 07:27 blaise !server Midnight 07:27 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/15, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 120ms 07:27 * blaise walks away to smoke 07:37 blaise lol 07:37 blaise still never told me where this mod was located 07:40 blaise he joined my server and ran into an angry mob of vombies, nearly died.. and said 02:29 < minetest> it's a miracle!! 07:40 blaise and left 08:19 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Swap Ideas Day! :-D 08:22 rubenwardy Hi all! 08:51 rubenwardy Opinions: http://rubenwardy.kd.io:8000/mmdb/mod/test/ 09:04 rubenwardy Why are these files committed when they are not changes? 09:05 rubenwardy https://bitbucket.org/rubenwardy/mmdb/commits/d1c35fc75fd33ee117be24f582646d8287a85e28 09:07 rubenwardy !msg iqualfragile HG messed up. https://bitbucket.org/rubenwardy/mmdb/commits/d1c35fc75fd33ee117be24f582646d8287a85e28 09:07 rubenwardy !tell iqualfragile HG messed up. https://bitbucket.org/rubenwardy/mmdb/commits/d1c35fc75fd33ee117be24f582646d8287a85e28 09:07 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around 09:14 rubenwardy !tell iqualfragile Fixed :P https://bitbucket.org/rubenwardy/mmdb/commits/f9f8d81d68e8bdc48702ecc9af679e096708cff2 09:14 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around 09:25 rubenwardy !tell iqualfragile See pull request :/ 09:25 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around 09:34 Megaf Hi eveyone 09:34 Megaf !seen BlockMan 09:34 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen blockman around. 09:34 Megaf !seeb BlockMen 09:34 Megaf !seen BlockMen 09:34 MinetestBot Megaf: blockmen was last seen at 2014-09-04 03:28:40 UTC on #minetest 09:35 rubenwardy Opinions: http://rubenwardy.kd.io:8000/mmdb/mod/test/ 09:35 rubenwardy Hi Megaf 09:35 raffahacks Hi Megaf 10:20 Jordach !tell rubenwardy this is the life https://cdn.mediacru.sh/KLWXHtw58ZzJ.jpg 10:21 Jordach MinetestBot! 10:21 MinetestBot Jordach! 10:21 MinetestBot Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever 10:51 kaeza mornings 10:53 jp_ hello 10:54 Megaf Hi kaeza, jp_ 11:22 Kekun hi, I am computer science student and a developper, I'm new to Minetest and I may want to help to its development with two colleagues of mine 11:24 Kekun (we are not sure if we want to continue using Minecraft for a long time, some of use are FLOSS enthousiasts) 11:28 sfan5 Jordach: >starbucks 11:28 sfan5 Kekun: take a look at http://dev.minetest.net/How_to_start_contributing 11:29 Kekun sfan5: thanks, I'll take a look at it 11:30 sfan5 Kekun: and visit #minetest-dev too, it's the development channel 11:31 Kekun sfan5: I first was there and was then adviced to move here =p 11:31 sfan5 i see 11:31 sfan5 as far as I understand, minetest is a game engine written in C++, and games can be built around it using its Lua API? 11:31 sfan5 yes 11:32 Kekun ok, thanks 11:45 * kaeza meows at sfan5 11:46 asie Guys 12:03 * sfan5 meows at kaeza 12:11 Cev Eyy, is there a list of ways this game is better than mc? Is it just optimisation and open source? 12:13 ThatGraemeGuy I can't see that there would be such a list if that isn't really the point of the project 12:17 sfan5 Cev: I'm not aware of any list like this, but you might find one somewhere 12:50 hisforever Hi I have 10 Mese Crystles together Can I split the pile if so how? 12:54 ThatGraemeGuy right-click a stack of items to take half the stack 13:02 hisforever thanks That grameGuy 13:03 ThatGraemeGuy yw hisforever 14:08 MinetestBot rubenwardy: 09-10 15:20 UTC this is the life https://cdn.mediacru.sh/KLWXHtw58ZzJ.jpg 14:08 sfan5 Jordach: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/zOYx8Fbr4DmE.png 14:09 Jordach 57 convo chain over ShadowNinja's mod security pull 14:09 sfan5 :D 14:09 Jordach jesus fucking christ 14:09 Jordach much bullshit, not deserved pull 14:09 sfan5 Jordach: http://the-toast.net/2014/09/09/unsatisfied-women-western-art-history/ 15:02 * PenguinDad just noticed that Jordach follows the most scary github user :D 15:20 sfan5 kaeza: o/ 15:20 kaeza \o 15:21 sfan5 I'll count that as "yes, it's me" 15:21 kaeza maybe 15:22 sfan5 kk 15:22 SmugLeaf kkk 15:22 sfan5 PenguinDad: :D 15:23 * PenguinDad meows at SmugLeaf 15:23 * Jordach sits here watching Mojang implode while playing https://cdn.mediacru.sh/HOILR_H8nuAy.png 15:23 * sfan5 sits here while needing to do homework 15:24 SmugLeaf so now that minecraft has gone to microsoft 15:24 SmugLeaf and bukket is dead 15:24 sfan5 bukkit* 15:24 PenguinDad Buck it! 15:24 SmugLeaf how quick can we get out a game/ that copies minecraft 15:24 SmugLeaf and lure over users 15:24 sfan5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:29 VanessaE SmugLeaf: as quickly as someone who really WANTS it can code it 15:32 kaeza so far, everything from Minecraft has been more or less done, except mobs 15:33 SmugLeaf mobs are kinda important 15:33 SmugLeaf I haven't run minetest for like a year 15:33 SmugLeaf but I'm a little amazed no one felt like making AI yet 15:34 kaeza MOBF is currently the most "advanced" AI there is for Minetest 15:34 kaeza buuuut! have fun lagging 15:35 kaeza hai 15:36 Kekun SmugLeaf: "how quick can we get out a game/ that copies minecraft and lure over users" that's basically why I came here today 15:38 Kekun I just tried a full minetest based game (Eden), loading the game took ages ! even on my top notch PC 15:38 VanessaE kaeza: mobf doesn't lag anymore 15:39 Kekun so maybe, just maybe, not having to rely on Lua for basically the whole game could help if we want something advanced? 15:39 VanessaE Kekun: the problem isn't Lua, the problem is using the *server* for every damn thing 15:39 Kekun (I know nothing about how Minetest work yet) 15:39 VanessaE some stuff needs realtime on-the-client processing, which is where Minetest's modding API falls down 15:40 SmugLeaf rip 15:40 Kekun VanessaE: what could be moved to client? 15:40 kaeza movement prediction, for example 15:41 VanessaE movement, period :P 15:41 sfan5 Kekun: local or remote server? 15:41 kaeza sending a "path" the entity should follow instead of tons of "look that way and run at this speed" 15:41 Kekun sfan5: local 15:41 sfan5 or wait 15:42 sfan5 that probably doesn't matter much 15:42 PenguinDad Kekun: have you enabled preload item visuals? 15:42 sfan5 Kekun: by default media files are sent using the minetest protocol which is.. let's call it slow 15:42 sfan5 and what PenguinDad said 15:43 Kekun PenguinDad: I have no idea, I suppose I can answer "no" 15:43 SmugLeaf anyway, now would be a good time for concentrated effort on "copying minecraft vanilla" 15:43 SmugLeaf at like 15:43 Kekun PenguinDad: it was enabled 15:43 VanessaE SmugLeaf: so let someone copy it. 15:43 SmugLeaf 75% speed of naked minetest 15:43 * VanessaE has other things on her mind 15:45 Kekun I am not against helping copying minecraft, I kind of came here for that 15:45 Kekun but I'm new to minetest and will have tons of college work, but hey, who cares about that 15:50 SmugLeaf college won't make you happy 15:50 SmugLeaf games make you happy 15:50 sfan5 :D 15:50 Kekun exactly 15:51 Kekun so basically, Minetest needs a better engine and content taken directly from Minecraft when there is no legal problems (textures, sounds, model must be redone)? 15:52 VanessaE nope 15:52 VanessaE it just needs some minor work on the engine 15:52 Jordach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Master_Race mmmmmmmmmmmm 15:52 PenguinDad Kekun: you always need a better engine :P 15:52 VanessaE no content from minecraft as ALL of that would be illegal 15:52 Jordach saved from AFD 15:54 Kekun PenguinDad: of course, but there is a big difference between a "I guess it's okay" engine and a "good enough" one, so far I kind of feel Minetest is more like the first one 15:56 MinetestBot 4Hel7lo,8 an3yon12e h6ere13? 15:57 Kekun hi Ynigvi 15:58 Ynigvi Hi 16:03 Calinou * inactif 136:28:05, ouverture de session : Fri Sep 5 01:34:46 → best idle time I've ever seen 16:03 Calinou on IRC 16:04 Kekun Calinou: classe 16:05 Calinou un français :D 16:06 Calinou même FAI que moi, en fait 16:07 jp_ cool, un français :) 16:07 jp_ et dev en plus 16:08 Kekun ouaip, Ynigvi aussi (maybe we should continue in english?) 16:08 Ynigvi or in french channel ? 16:08 Kekun oh yep, I forgot it 16:09 jp_ in english 16:10 Kekun int's internet access provider 16:10 jp_ Fournisseur d'Accès à Internet 16:11 jp_ Kekun : french official channel --> #minetest-fr 16:12 Kekun jp_: I was there but thanks still =) 16:35 zat :D!!!! http://uppix.com/f-IMG_20140908_00054107daa00178260.jpg 16:36 RumiaGloop zat: some men just wanna watch the world burn 16:36 zat wat² 16:36 zat it got high http://uppix.com/f-IMG_20140908_00054107e1900178263.jpg 16:37 Jordach this won't affect me: i touch type on all keyboards 16:38 zat I rearranged them for I wanted a Dvorak keyboard. 16:38 PenguinDad zat: keyboard attacking you? :p 16:38 zat lol 16:41 zat I have become a little clumsy in typing now though 16:41 Kekun is there a design reason that we can only have a 60000 squared meter surface but we can dig 30km deep? it feels weird to me 16:42 sfan5 the world is from -30 000 to 30 000 16:42 sfan5 water surface is at y=0 16:43 Kekun so there is 60000x60000 of surface, 30000 of sky and 30000 of ground 16:43 zat cant it be more? 16:43 sfan5 yes 16:44 sfan5 do we need more? 16:44 sfan5 no 16:44 zat yes I need more 16:44 Kekun well it could have more surface and less altitude I suppose 16:45 Kekun I need more surface 16:45 sfan5 for what? 16:45 zat Kekun: want to make the chinese wall? 16:45 Kekun for multiplayer maps 16:46 sfan5 multiplayer maps? 16:46 Kekun zat: I play on a Minccraft server where we reached -10000 and 10000 in very few months, and we want to expand 16:47 zat Kekun: reached it building? 16:47 Kekun zat: we don't want constructions to be too close, especially when we want to build countries 16:48 Kekun so we want to build very far away from each other 16:48 Calinou the usual “we need more land” talk :x 16:48 zat Sounds like too much expectative 16:48 Calinou we use 16-bit coordinates 16:49 sfan5 !c 1.0-(20000/60000)*100 16:49 MinetestBot -32.33333333333333 16:49 sfan5 !c (1.0-(20000/60000))*100 16:49 MinetestBot 66.66666666666667 16:49 Calinou there was a patch for 262144 (or so) world size, but it was glitchy as hell 16:49 Calinou and it's 4 months old or so now 16:49 sfan5 Kekun: you would still have 66% of the surface left 16:49 PenguinDad john_minetest: why not 512 bit? 16:50 PenguinDad lol 16:50 Kekun sfan5: which mean we used 33% in 3 months, and we want it to last for years if possible 16:51 Kekun non, 1/9th 16:51 Kekun *no 16:51 Calinou There was something about the player moving in the world instead of the world moving around the player. 16:51 Calinou this was a potential fix for z-fighting, not for world size 16:51 Calinou we have a fix for z-fighting already since May or so 16:53 Kekun john_minetest: except we can't add proper country-like distances with that 16:54 zat lol I was about to say the same 16:55 Kekun I present you a use case and you answer with condescension… I have to say I'm quite disappointed =/ 16:56 sfan5 we're just trying to say the world is already big enough 16:57 Kekun john_minetest: you could have two type of maps : square and wide 16:57 Kekun *squared and large 16:57 sfan5 how would that work on the client side? 16:58 JTE_ mmm. 16:58 ThatGraemeGuy Pretty sure this discussion has happened a zillion times. Safe to say it isn't changing. 16:58 Krock mm. hi 16:59 sfan5 Kekun: see discussion in #minetest-dev 17:20 jordan4ibanez celeron55: that robot is CRAZY 17:21 jordan4ibanez How did you make it? 17:22 Krock ... robot? 17:22 jordan4ibanez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct8vy2sZBYQ His battle bot 17:22 sfan5 http://c55.me/blog/?p=1654 << top blog post 17:23 * Krock clicks 4 times 17:23 Krock "WHAT THE FUCK MAN FIREFOX 29 AND 30 SUCK SO MUCH IT IS COMPLETELY UNDESCRIBABLE IN ENGLISH" 17:23 jordan4ibanez Like, are the wheels made out of mouse pads? lol 17:27 * sfan5 licks john_minetest 17:27 * RumiaGloop licks sfan5 17:27 jordan4ibanez Firefox is gross 17:27 RumiaGloop fiyafax 17:27 Krock that constuction of a robot looks interesting... 17:29 PenguinDad <3 Firefox 17:29 Krock it wheels. fast. very fast. 17:29 Jordach ^^ 17:29 jordan4ibanez it looks like jamie hynamin's battle bot without the cover 17:35 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: which time is it for you? about 1 pm? 17:35 jordan4ibanez 1:35 17:35 sfan5 yay 17:35 sfan5 guessed right 17:35 sfan5 -08:00 17:36 Krock > America 17:36 sfan5 ^ 17:36 jordan4ibanez the day we can transfer from server to server is the best day 17:36 Cylus Is there a way to specify which seed to use from the command line? 17:36 Krock john_minetest, the obama-country is not the only in that timezone 17:37 jordan4ibanez because with that you could have 2 servers running on 2 different hard drives in a dual core cpu. So one is a main world, and the other, a mining world 17:37 Krock Cylus, "notepad minetestfolder\worlds\myworld\map_meta.txt" 17:37 sfan5 Cylus: no 17:38 Cylus Drats. I guess I write a script to modify the text file before starting then. Thanks! 17:39 jordan4ibanez Because the mining world is for destroying the terrain in search of minerals 17:46 * sfan5 meows at john_minetest 17:48 blaise hrmm 17:49 blaise it would seem that games-action/minetest_build, games-action/minetest_common, and games-action/minetest_survival have been removed from gentoo portage 17:50 blaise I can only assume that those are provided by the games-action/minetest, and games-action/minetest_game ebuilds? 17:50 blaise anyone here running gentoo care to converse with me on this? 17:50 sfan5 no 17:51 blaise sfan5: you run gentoo linux? 17:51 Cylus Minetest no longer has build, common, or survival. 17:51 sfan5 blaise: "anyone here running gentoo?" "no" -> no 17:51 sfan5 I use Arch 17:51 Cylus They were probably removed from Gentoo because we removed them over here. 17:52 blaise john_minetest: yeh, there's a mod someone made that was inspired by carts and monorails by some cat that looks uber promising, but unfortunetly isn't compatable with any vanilla minetest version 17:52 blaise Cylus: so they are provided by games-action/minetest, and games-action/minetest_game packages on other distributions? 17:53 blaise sfan5: I ditched arch 7 or 8 years ago.. too much of a hassle to maintain.. 17:53 PenguinDad > by some cat that looks uber promising 17:53 PenguinDad lol 17:54 sfan5 blaise: the mod is compatible with vanilla minetest; provided you 1) apply the patch on the server side 2) get the formspec issue sorted out 17:54 blaise ABS and all that.. pacman wrappers always not compatable with current versions and what not 17:54 sfan5 blaise: why are you using pacman wrappers? 17:54 sfan5 ABS is pretty nice 17:54 blaise sfan5: because pacman alone isn't enough 17:54 sfan5 no? 17:54 Calinou Lol, I installed the classic theme restorer the day that the new firefox came out. 17:54 Calinou you're missing a lot ;) 17:54 Cylus blaise: I'm on Debian. My distribution still ships Minetest 0.3.1. I don't know about others distributions. But the current stable Minetest has no need for those three packages you mentioned. They've been removed from the game. 17:55 Calinou I like the new interface. 17:55 blaise I can't even remember the wrapper I liked, but the developer got fed up with upstream always changing their syntax and api and all that he just gave up and moved back to slackware 17:55 sfan5 Cylus: debian sid has 0.4.10 17:55 blaise I like debian.. 17:55 Calinou Cylus, jessie and sid bundle 0.4.10 ;) 17:55 Calinou upgrade to jessie or sid, it's a good deal for a desktop 17:55 blaise I just prefer gentoo or funtoo 17:55 Calinou or for a server that doesn't need high availability 17:55 blaise mostly funtoo though 17:56 Cylus Debian Unstable doesn't play nice with my mobile though, so I can't run that. 17:56 Cylus (read: MTP in Unstable/Testing is broken.) 17:56 jordan4ibanez You have to practice in virtualbox young padiwan 17:57 blaise lmao 17:58 blaise if it's too hard to install via a livecd and chroot from stage3, you don't wanna know what's involved from bootstrap 17:58 blaise lmao 17:58 blaise which is what we used to have to do.. 17:58 blaise and some still do if they want to install to architechture that doesn't have a pre cooked stage3 tarball 18:01 Cylus Those poor people. 18:01 blaise I moved around, I started on slackware in 92 18:01 blaise then I went to redhat before they wen't all commercial 18:01 Cylus I don't think I could do it. I'd have to go computerless until I could get help. 18:02 blaise Cylus: I've installed gentoo on so many machines the whole thing is muscle memory 18:02 Calinou (read: MTP in Unstable/Testing is broken.) 18:02 Calinou report bug? ;) 18:03 blaise after redhat went insane I moved to SuSE, but I was confronted with the same problems... I hate rpm 18:03 blaise then I moved back to slackware for a while.. 18:03 Cylus Calinou: I probably should .... but that would mean living with a broken system until I could figure out the details to report. Maybe if I had a spare machine lying around. 18:04 Calinou VirtualBox? ;) 18:04 blaise I like debian, although most of my experience with debian has been with the grml sysadmin livecd (linux swiss army knife) 18:04 jin_xi so, 18:04 Cylus Does VirtualBox even have USB connectivity? 18:04 Calinou I think it does 18:04 Calinou extensions though 18:05 blaise the usb is similar to pci passthrough 18:05 blaise it works pretty well if you configure it properly 18:05 blaise you can have the whole hub, or just one device 18:05 blaise oh my god 18:05 Cylus Oh, yeah. I forgot. It can use USB, but only if you install the proprietary addons (both in the host system and in the guest system). So that won't work. 18:06 blaise I just nearly died trying to drink my coffee... 18:06 blaise XD 18:06 Cylus Don't do it! It's poisoned! 18:06 blaise Cylus: no, it works without the drivers 18:06 blaise I boot usb flash drives in vbox all the time 18:07 blaise john_minetest: don't follow other sites, they're either misleading or outdated 18:07 blaise john_minetest: only follow the gentoo.org handbook 18:07 Cylus blaise: Do you have the proprietary host addon though? Many distributions probably install it by default. 18:07 Calinou I don't think Debian adds it as a recommended package or a dependency 18:07 Calinou thankfully… 18:07 blaise Cylus: negative. you can't use the addons when booting... 18:08 Cylus Okay, I'll try again then. 18:08 blaise that's why I mentioned that I boot from usb flash drives 18:08 blaise the addons disc img is for drivers.. specificly for windows.. accelerated video and what not 18:08 blaise and it's for guest vm's, not the host 18:09 blaise the host stuff is the kernel drivers... for vmnet and pci passthrough and usb and what not 18:09 blaise app-emulation/virtualbox-modules 18:10 Cylus The addons disc image is the guest addons, but there are also host addons. 18:10 Cylus The host addons are usually a package. 18:16 kaeza john_minetest, any on inchranet 18:16 kaeza (VE's 897641 servers, SN's one, and a couple of others) 18:17 kaeza "events"? 18:19 Cylus blaise: 18:19 blaise lol 18:20 blaise wow 18:20 blaise app-emulation/virtualbox-extpack-oracle 18:20 Calinou are you cy4, Cylus? 18:20 blaise PUEL extensions 18:21 Cylus Calinou: Nope. Never heard of him/her. 18:21 blaise I'm really not happy with oracle 18:21 Cylus Exactly. Meaning I can't use USB devices. 18:21 Cylus From VirtualBox, anyway. 18:23 Calinou you sound similar to him 18:23 Calinou (“security” person) 18:23 Calinou wanted to get GPG into Minetest for authentication 18:23 Calinou refused because it wasn't portabler 18:23 Calinou -r 18:24 Cylus I don't even know how to use GPG yet, though it's on my list of things I want to learn. 18:24 Cylus I'd love to be able to sign/encrypt my mail. 18:25 Calinou http://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/ 18:27 blaise wow 18:27 blaise how do you not know how to use gpg ? 18:27 blaise some of us had to learn on the original implementation of pgp 18:27 Calinou it's not trivial 18:27 Krock There was a tool which called "flagger" or somewhat. It generated words like "terrorist", "bomb", .. as answer to the NSA-scandal 18:28 Calinou computing is easier by now, people are less used to tricky stuff ;) 18:28 Cylus Okay, sweet. I'll probably read that over once I'm done with my tasks for the day. It's not a long list, but I'm a bit slow. 18:28 Cylus blaise: Everyone doesn't know at some point. 18:28 blaise no, it's not.. there are outlook and thunderbird plugins so you don't really have to do anything but generate your keys and install it 18:28 Cylus blaise: I use Claws Mail. 18:29 Cylus Not many plugins, as far as I know for it. 18:29 Calinou Outlook? no thanks ;) 18:29 Calinou proprietary client + encryption really don't mix 18:29 Cylus Yeah, for sure. 18:29 blaise Cylus: ever heard of squirrelmail? 18:29 * sfan5 meows at Calinou 18:29 blaise http://www.squirrelmail.org/ 18:29 Cylus Who knows who Outlook sends the keys to. 18:30 Calinou you could use a local webmail instance, yes 18:30 Calinou like Roundcube 18:30 Cylus blaise: I've heard of it, but I thought it was a mail server. 18:30 blaise it is.. 18:30 blaise I use postfix 18:30 blaise not a sendmail fan 18:30 PenguinDad Krock: this one? http://flagger.io/ 18:30 blaise alpine is nice 18:30 Krock PenguinDad, exactly that one. 18:31 Cylus Okay, so we switched form clients to servers then. My bad. I guess encryption could be done on either end, but most servers blacklist my IP address. I can send mail using my own server, but no one will receive it. 18:33 sfan5 Cylus: buy a cheap vps to send your mail 18:35 Cylus I don't even have enough money for the things I actually need. Even if I did though, I'm not yet at that step. I still have other things that rank higher on my list of things to learn how to do than learning to use third-party VPNs. 18:35 Cylus *VPSs 18:36 blaise lmao 18:36 blaise use google's servers 18:36 blaise it's sending mail that get you blacklisted 18:36 blaise anyone can set up a recieving end 18:37 Cylus Google won't let me register an account without handing over my phone number. No thanks. 18:37 blaise really? I just gave them the local direct line for 911 18:37 Cylus Plus, I don't even have a phone number right now (I'm getting one today or tomorrow). 18:37 blaise they wanna pay the fine, they can call it. 18:37 blaise I use asterisk with a magicjack account 18:38 Krock Cylus, I had to register a gmail account for my student-place. I needed to use the number of my dad. I don't have a mobile phone. Wtf google? 18:39 Cylus Krock: I know, right? 18:39 blaise I never had to enter a number till I linked my google account to the play store 18:39 Cylus blaise: 18:39 Warr1024 don't they let you use another email address to sign up? 18:39 blaise even with my gooogle developer account they didn't require a phone number 18:39 Warr1024 usually you can find at least 1 free service out there that doesn't require some kind of real-identity crap to sign up 18:39 blaise yeah 18:39 Warr1024 and then just fan that out into whatever you actually wanted... 18:39 Cylus I can't even register an account without verifying my number. I will not do it. 18:40 blaise I have 10 email accounts all circular to recover each other 18:40 Warr1024 all you gotta do is find that first service 18:40 Krock use a circular saw to get more corcular emails. 18:40 Krock *circular 18:40 Warr1024 Yahoo worked for that at one time, might work now, might not, dunno... 18:40 PenguinDad !c 324*4/60 18:40 MinetestBot 21.6 18:40 blaise Cylus: try setting up a google voice account 18:40 blaise then give them the phone number they assigned you 18:40 blaise XD 18:41 Cylus blaise: I tried that. They won't let me without a phone number to link it to. 18:41 blaise seriously? 18:41 Cylus s/link it/forward calls/ 18:41 blaise my google voice number isn't linked to anything 18:41 Cylus Seriously. 18:41 blaise it's just a phone.. 18:41 Cylus It might be a new thing they do. 18:42 blaise wow 18:42 blaise well, so much for google 18:42 blaise on to the next big thing 18:42 blaise XD 18:42 Cylus Yeah, that's pretty much what I've decided too. 18:43 blaise I pretty much gave up on google after I had put years of work into writing api for google wave only for them to wipe it clean and shut it down 18:43 Cylus If someone has an answer, I wouldn't be against trying it, but I've given up looking for one myself. I have better things to do, such as use services that aren't expecting every person on earth to have a phone. 18:43 blaise I have a phone, I just don't give the number out 18:43 blaise XD 18:44 sfan5 blaise: then who was phone? 18:44 blaise when google asked me for a # I litterly looked up the emergency police # out of the phone book and put it in there 18:44 Cylus I usually have one, but it's out of service right now. And even when it is in service, I use it for the data connection, not the phone features. 18:45 Cylus Yeah, that works only if they're not going to send an activation code. 18:45 blaise telephone isn't relyable since it's not pure copper anymore 18:45 blaise anyone can make any number work on any phone 18:45 blaise the system is broken and insecure 18:46 Cylus I've been saying we should switch over to SIP for ages. 18:46 sfan5 today on #minetest: why the govt. is bad and everything is insecure 18:46 Cylus SIP addresses are also a lot nicer than phone numbers. 18:46 Krock Random mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6492 18:46 sfan5 !title 18:46 MinetestBot sfan5: SquirrelMail - Webmail for Nuts! 18:46 PenguinDad wat 18:46 sfan5 wat 18:46 Krock wat 18:46 sfan5 !title 18:46 MinetestBot sfan5: SquirrelMail - Webmail for Nuts! 18:46 sfan5 https://google.com 18:46 sfan5 !title 18:46 MinetestBot sfan5: Google 18:47 sfan5 !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6492 18:47 MinetestBot sfan5: [Mod] Wiki Mod [wiki] - Minetest Forums 18:47 Cylus Weird ..... 18:47 Krock possibly it doesn't accept https? 18:47 sfan5 I just did https google 18:47 Krock (for not-!title-called-urls) 18:47 Krock hmm 18:47 MinetestBot 4Ever7yone8 who3 lik12es c6ats 13plea4se r7aise8 his3/her12 han6d. 18:47 Krock o/ 18:47 sfan5 o/ 18:48 PenguinDad \o/ 18:48 Cylus It depends on the cat. 18:48 Krock ° 18:48 Krock o/ 18:48 Krock nuu.. hand flew off 18:48 MinetestBot 4Cylu7s: f8luff3y & 12cute6 cat13s 18:48 Krock meow? 18:48 MinetestBot 4m7e8o3w 18:48 Krock MEOW! 18:48 MinetestBot 4M7R8O3W12! 18:48 Cylus It's the personality that matters, not the looks. 18:49 MinetestBot 4how7 ab8out3 ni12ce 6cat13s? 18:49 Cylus Well, if they're nice, then I like them. But I like almost anything if it's nice. 18:49 Krock Cylus, nightmare http://i.imgur.com/c71EM.jpg 18:49 MinetestBot Krock: 09-10 23:49 UTC hi :3 18:49 MinetestBot 4some7one 8do !3cat 12to s6ee a13 cat4. 18:49 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/w9c7A6x.jpg 18:50 PenguinDad cat /dev/urandom :D 18:50 MinetestBot 4m7e8o3w 18:50 Cylus john_minetest: Every cat I've had has had a distinct personality. Some good, some not so good. 18:50 MinetestBot john_minetest: 09-10 23:50 UTC hiiii 18:50 Krock . 18:50 sfan5 I only have /bin/cat 18:50 sfan5 so sad 18:50 sfan5 :( 18:51 Krock C:\AT\ 18:51 MinetestBot Krock: 09-10 23:50 UTC Don't send me messages over minetestbot! ;;) 18:51 Krock kitten, knitten, kitchen. 18:51 MinetestBot john_minetest: 09-10 23:51 UTC why not? 18:52 * PenguinDad doesn't need !cat because he's got four cats in his neighbourhood 18:52 khonkhortisan I've never heard that joke 18:52 sfan5 john_minetest, Krock: please stop 18:52 Krock sfan5, okay 18:52 MinetestBot Krock: 09-10 23:51 UTC just kidding :) 18:52 MinetestBot john_minetest: 09-10 23:52 UTC Trololo? 18:52 Krock HAHAHHA 18:52 PenguinDad O_o 18:53 sfan5 23:53 UTC? 18:53 sfan5 that can't be right 18:53 Krock possibly server time 18:54 sfan5 it should be utc 18:54 sfan5 :/ 18:54 sfan5 zsh/2 2505 % TZ=UTC date 18:54 sfan5 Mi 10. Sep 18:53:59 UTC 2014 18:54 Krock LOL 18:54 Krock and that's the output of MTB? 18:54 sfan5 what? 18:54 PenguinDad MinetestBot: you are 5 hours in da future! 18:54 Krock nvm 18:55 Krock hmm. that's the time somewhere near to russia 18:55 sfan5 !tell test 18:55 MinetestBot sfan5: ...and text 18:55 sfan5 !tell john_minetest hello 18:55 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when john_minetest is around 18:55 MinetestBot john_minetest: 09-10 18:55 UTC hello 18:56 sfan5 yeah 18:56 sfan5 thats because I changed /etc/localtime 18:56 Cylus !tell MinetestBot Hello. 18:56 MinetestBot I'm not dumb, you know? 18:56 sfan5 :D 18:56 MinetestBot sfan5: 09-10 18:56 UTC Does this work? 18:56 sfan5 yes it does 18:56 sfan5 now stop 18:56 Cylus !tell mINETESTbOT Hello. 18:56 MinetestBot I'm not dumb, you know? 18:57 PenguinDad !tell wilhelm !tell :D 18:57 sfan5 PenguinDad: :D 18:57 Krock omg. so creative. 18:57 sfan5 !tw https://twitter.com/0xabad1dea/status/509772691923283968 18:57 MinetestBot "black preschoolers are 18% of the kids but 48% of the multiple suspensions" "but I know a white kid who got suspended!" - internet comments (@0xabad1dea) 18:58 blaise I'm absolutly disgusted at how bloated firefox has become 18:58 sfan5 exactly 18:58 sfan5 just use chromium 18:58 blaise and chrome is worse! 18:58 wilhelm . 18:58 MinetestBot wilhelm: 06-27 19:20 UTC !tell 18:58 wilhelm . 18:58 blaise I'm switching to opera 18:59 sfan5 !ignore *@unaffiliated/john-minetest/x-5335115 18:59 MinetestBot sfan5: '*!*@unaffiliated/john-minetest/x-5335115' added to ignore list. 18:59 sfan5 I'm aware 18:59 blaise lol 18:59 Krock :/ 18:59 blaise bot abuse 18:59 PenguinDad The strange swiss guy has come to this channel \o/ 19:00 Krock Now, only Walter (son of wilhelm) is missing 19:00 Calinou I'm absolutly disgusted at how bloated firefox has become 19:00 Calinou http://breach.cc/ 19:00 rubenwardy . 19:01 blaise meh 19:01 blaise I'll just use links 19:02 Calinou look at about:config too 19:03 Calinou you can disable functionality there if you really want it 19:03 Calinou The chrome/ subdirectory of the chromium project (all that makes up the Google Chrome experience: tabs, settings, sync, omnibox) is made up of 5,343 C++ implementation files, adding up to 1,449,451 lines of C++ code (as of 2013/09/11). It's hardly tractable by one person, and hints to the fact that it's probably impossible for one guy to modify it alone to come up with a profoundly different experience. 19:12 blaise http://links.twibright.com/ 19:12 PenguinDad I think I should really stop running c-ray at insane settings https://cdn.mediacru.sh/1BGD0xDcME0U.png 19:13 Jordach PenguinDad, blender internals does better ;) 19:14 PenguinDad Jordach: You don't have to tell me that 19:14 Calinou blaise, my eyes are bleeding :x 19:16 blaise Calinou: lmao 19:16 blaise Calinou: it's the links browser 19:16 blaise Calinou: supports both text and graphical mode 19:16 Calinou a colour and font change would be beneficial already 19:16 Calinou very simple 19:16 blaise similar to lynx 19:16 Calinou I'm talking about its website 19:16 blaise http://lynx.isc.org/ 19:17 Calinou ugly background… 19:17 Calinou you can make text-compatible websites that look good 19:17 blaise lol 19:17 Calinou john_minetest, I know, but it often quite shows the dedication of the developers 19:17 blaise ghost doggie ? 19:18 * GhostDoge licks blaise 19:18 blaise wow, so slober 19:18 blaise such yucky 19:18 blaise john_minetest: indeed.. 19:19 Calinou other developers or contributors may do the website anyway 19:19 blaise I suck at web design, and C coding.. I'm a really good cook though.. XD 19:19 GhostDoge john_minetest: I suck at both ;D 19:19 jin_xi i like it, it has a lynx. a manul would be even better 19:19 VanessaE what about those of us who can actually manage to do both? :) 19:20 blaise john_minetest: php ? 19:20 blaise I've seen some super nice websites generated from php alone 19:21 blaise so is the binary code, what's your point? 19:21 blaise maybe we should just host the site on the client side too, eh? 19:22 * kahrl has a clever idea! why not serve static HTML and save power on server and clients? 19:23 blaise could you imagine if html was p2p? similar to torrents? 19:23 VanessaE kahrl: *gasp* are you INSANE? you mean actually do it RIGHT? ;) 19:24 Jordach >other mail account -- Last login: 11/30/13 9:01 PM 19:24 blaise kahrl: http://midnightsystems.net 19:24 blaise XD 19:24 Calinou PHP, JS and CSS are not comparable, you probably want to compare PHP with Python, Ruby or JS (node.js) 19:24 Calinou you can run JavaScript both client-side and server-side 19:24 blaise I say we throw all that crap out the window and actually use the html5 spec 19:24 Calinou kahrl, annoying to use 19:24 Calinou tedious to update, etc 19:25 Calinou there are generators, but not nearly as powerful as using a full website revision system like WordPress or Drupal 19:25 VanessaE Calinou: my site is all statis HTML, quite easy to update. 19:25 Calinou my Mods page also is just HTML + CSS, because it doesn't need more than that 19:25 VanessaE static* 19:25 Calinou but can you imagine the MMDB in static HTML? ;) 19:25 Calinou or even a forum 19:25 VanessaE heh 19:25 Warr1024 they're not so hard to do, really 19:26 VanessaE those are examples where dynamic content is needed 19:26 Warr1024 a lot of blogs work that way 19:26 blaise indeed. 19:26 blaise most, actually 19:26 Calinou OctoPress is a static platform for blogs, yes 19:26 Warr1024 instead of generating dynamic content at the time of download, they static-ify the content at upload time. 19:26 Warr1024 and of course one fun way to publish dynamic content using a purely static platform is a combination of git and notepad. 19:26 blaise I need to generate a website for my site 19:27 blaise there isn't much on it atm 19:27 Calinou Webgen? 19:27 VanessaE Warr1024: that's not too far from what I do. gedit + a script that calls rsync with the command line args I need 19:27 blaise wha? no vim? 19:27 VanessaE fuck vim :P 19:28 blaise VanessaE: are you an emacs user? 19:28 VanessaE fuck emacs :P 19:28 VanessaE nano ftw :) 19:28 blaise nano -w ? 19:28 Warr1024 technically, when I say "notepad" what I usually mean is actually "vi" 19:28 blaise no syntax highliting? 19:28 CWz nano is where it's at 19:28 Warr1024 nano and vim are too bloated. 19:28 blaise ehm, no. 19:28 VanessaE blaise: nano can do syntax highlighting actually, and I use gedit most of the time, which also does. 19:28 blaise nano is for people that don't want alpine just to get pico 19:29 Calinou nano has syntax highlighting, works randomly for me :/ 19:29 VanessaE for some reason, I usually use nano for editing shell scripts, gedit for Lua et al. 19:29 Warr1024 vi actually has more syntax highlighting than any editor I've seen. It highlights ALL syntax. In white. 19:30 blaise hrmm 19:31 blaise I wish the minetest motd was in a seperate file 19:31 Cylus I usually use nano for files on the server, gedit for code, and Mousepad for files that I want to see as they are (gedit hides the ending \n in a file). 19:32 blaise and I wish it had flags.. so we could say "Welcome to my minetest server! there are currently /u users logged in, the current game time is /t. 19:32 blaise stuff like that 19:32 blaise similar to /etc/issue 19:33 blaise ansi color sequencing compatability would be nice as well 19:34 blaise so we could have bold, underlined, and blinky text in the motd.. 19:34 VanessaE ... 19:34 GhostDoge blinky text \o/ 19:35 Warr1024 ... 19:35 blaise mostly for messages about griefing 19:35 Warr1024 plus deprecated tags ftw 19:35 Warr1024 blinking messages about griefing? nice irony. 19:36 blaise I don't want a hole line, just a few words.. 19:36 blaise like "Griefing = permaban!" 19:36 Warr1024 it'd actually be nice if we had something more like the "ssh banner" in addition to motd. 19:36 Warr1024 i.e. "banner" is before login completes. 19:37 blaise the /etc/issue is what is used with the ssh banner 19:37 blaise it's issued on the local console as well 19:37 Warr1024 so for instance, download a bit of text when first connecting, and display that while all the "loading" stuff is there, so the user has a chance maybe to read it 19:37 GhostDoge blaise: make the "permaban!" part a blinking rainbow :P 19:37 blaise GhostDoge: eh, that's a bit much. 19:37 blaise the only thing I would use the color for would be to maybe display a logo for the server in ansi 19:38 blaise I'm not honestly a fan of color spam 19:38 blaise I do enjoy good ansi art though, as I used to run a BBS 20 years ago 19:38 Warr1024 you could probably whip up a small mod that sends your extended MOTD to the player as a formspec. 19:38 Warr1024 then you could even use full images and whatnot... 19:39 blaise seriously thinking about bringing it back for nostalgia 19:40 blaise Warr1024: why? at that point we would be turning formspec into an integrated in game web browser 19:40 Calinou libRocket has been considered for a bit, actually ;) 19:41 Calinou but it's notorious for high CPU usage 19:41 Calinou it's a good idea anyway 19:41 blaise wasn't the whole idea of having a voxel game to be able to play on old slow hardware? 19:41 Warr1024 blaise: what, were you planning on putting hyperlinks into your MOTD or something? As I understand it, formspec already supports a superset of what chat does, including some of what you want to do. 19:42 blaise no, no hyperlinks 19:42 blaise just ANSI text encoding compliance 19:42 Calinou not so much in 2014 19:42 Calinou it tries to be lighter than Minecraft overall 19:42 Calinou but it's not a goal in itself 19:43 jin_xi so here is a thing i've been wondering: 19:43 jin_xi minetest has nice noise generations 19:43 jin_xi wouldnt it be nice to be able to generate HD textures procedurally 19:43 Calinou you don't generate textures with just noise 19:43 Warr1024 how would you sandbox procedural texture generation programs on the client side? 19:44 Calinou look at the usual workflow of a texture maker… 19:44 Calinou it's much more than that 19:44 Calinou also, this is using the CPU for nothing :/ 19:45 jin_xi not just noice, its procedural, but noise is useful 19:45 jin_xi s/c/s 19:45 Warr1024 you can probably just "procedurally" generate your textures into a vertical-frames animation and it's probably good enough... 19:46 Warr1024 like procedural fire would be neat in theory, but the ability to customize the texture is pretty nice too 19:48 Calinou in Minecraft, the fire texture is procedural 19:48 Calinou quite impressive considering how it isn't trivial 19:48 Calinou same used to go for lava and water 19:50 jin_xi i'm not a pixel artists (see tetris mod buttons :( ) but i just wondered... i mean there is texture combination and such in mt, would it be technically feasible to generate textures or do there need to be files and all? 19:51 jin_xi i think it could be fun for hacking up varied games 19:51 blaise the ansi encoding isn't even server side.. that's all client side anyway 19:51 blaise and it's supported by the windows console and most linux terminals and osx anyway 19:51 VanessaE jin_xi: look at signs_lib to see what happens when you use texture combining to do what you're thinking of. 19:52 Warr1024 procedural fire looks pretty cool with all the default textures, but as I understand it, you can't customize MC's fire texture. 19:52 Warr1024 but you CAN customize the one in MT 19:52 VanessaE the signs' entities are built more or less procedurally 19:52 blaise the only thing that would be server side would be setting up variables to grab on the fly at the time of motd display 19:52 blaise like the current game time, system load, users logged in, stuff like that 19:53 VanessaE jin_xi: the short version is that you can cram about 2500 or so combine operations into one image before you exceed the ability to send that data to the client (serialization errors after that() 19:53 VanessaE -( 19:53 Warr1024 actually, something like procedural texturing or texture enhancing sounds like something we might see from shaders... 19:53 jin_xi VanessaE: i know that, painting mod actually predates signs... but i really want to avoid combining hd textures or having a base texture for every color 19:53 VanessaE jin_xi: right, I tend to forget about that painting mod 19:55 jin_xi well i sure would love defining a coupla hundred nodes in plain colors w/o bothering with textures and such 19:55 luizrpgluiz How many programmers have in minetest team? 19:55 VanessaE luizrpgluiz: active? not many 19:55 VanessaE less than 10 I guess 19:55 luizrpgluiz :) 20:00 Cylus Weird .... It seems that the outer one block in every chunk overlaps with another chunk's block ... When the second chunk is generated, it doesn't fully regenerate the block, but it does do some regen work on it, taking the past version of the block as influence. 20:01 Cylus I put staircase made of cobble/stone stairs into one chunk's mapgen, and another chunk overwrote it with dirt, though it kept the general shape. 20:02 Warr1024 I believe the mapgen allows you to put stuff outside of the mapblock you're generating, e.g. so that trees aren't truncated at block boundaries, and you also don't have to recalc the neighbor blocks' trees. 20:02 GhostDoge Is soundcloud dieing right now? 20:04 Cylus Warr1024: Wow, that's cool. I didn't know it did that either. 20:04 Cylus GhostDoge: Wouldn't know. I can't use SoundCloud anyway because it doesn't work without Flash. 20:05 GhostDoge Cylus: It does work without flash 20:06 Cylus GhostDoge: Odd. Every time I go there, I get two or three "you need to install Flash" errors, and none of the music will play. 20:06 Cylus Maybe it requires some other plugin as well. 20:08 blaise I believe a minetest "Turn Down for What!" parody on youtube might increase popularity 20:09 blaise we're going to need some minetest coriogrophy 20:09 blaise casting role inverviews 20:10 Cylus What is "Turn Down for What!"? 20:10 sfan5 !g turn down for what 20:10 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU 20:10 Cylus I seem to have broken Minetest when I set chunk size to one. I wonder what happens when I turn it down further .... 20:11 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10097 20:11 Calinou award of using the most colours in a thread 20:11 sfan5 Calinou: nope 20:12 sfan5 I have that aware 20:12 sfan5 award* 20:12 sfan5 when I congratulated evergreen 20:12 sfan5 for birthday 20:12 sfan5 in a forum post 20:12 Cylus It seems to cause a floating point exception and crashes the game. I imagine that likely refers to a division by zero error. 20:27 EvergreenTree 'Ello everyone 20:29 GhostDoge \o EvergreenTree 20:30 EvergreenTree https://github.com/4Evergreen4/roflcopter 20:30 EvergreenTree :3 20:34 Calinou 87-line code under LGPL? meh 20:34 Calinou just use Apache 2 or CC0 for such a short thing 20:34 EvergreenTree Calinou: meh, okay 20:34 Calinou (this is officially what GNU recommends, for software of less than 300 lines) 20:37 LemonLake Oh. 20:37 LemonLake This opened. 20:37 LemonLake Hello. 20:37 PenguinDad Hi LemonLake 20:37 LemonLake I'm actually on linux for the first time in ages 21:20 blaise !up midnightsystems.net 21:20 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (599ms) 21:20 blaise not bad for a kernel compile in the background 21:20 blaise XD 21:21 VanessaE !seen bas080 21:21 MinetestBot VanessaE: bas080 was last seen at 2014-07-26 00:30:28 UTC on #minetest 21:21 VanessaE damn. 21:22 VanessaE it's been that long? 21:22 blaise yeah, remember when I asked you if he had died? 21:23 blaise XD 21:23 blaise I worry about you guys... 21:23 VanessaE hasn't been to the forum in over a month, and no commits to the vines mod since October 2013 O_o 21:23 VanessaE I guess I can declare support dead for that mod, huh. 21:25 Cylus I wrote a script that builds a spawn room in the middle of the map. The spawn room varies a bit depending on the surrounding landscape. Sometimes on the roof, I get things like this: . I can fix that by modifying one line (to deal with the leaves that the stairs spawned in (after that, the leaves died off)), but should I? What do you think: is it a bug to fix or just a lovable quirk? 21:33 blaise could anyone tell me what is acceptable as far as commenting out lines in minetest.conf ? 21:33 blaise can I use ## ? 21:34 Cylus blaise: Yeah, I believe you can. 21:34 Cylus blaise: That's what's done in minetest.conf.example. 21:34 blaise great 21:36 jordan4ibanez where is the minetest.conf 21:36 jordan4ibanez I compiled with run_in_place=1 21:36 jordan4ibanez oh oh oh 21:36 Cylus jordan4ibanez: It will be generated in your compile directory after the first time you edit your Minetest settings. 21:37 Cylus Cylus: Or you could add one. 21:38 jordan4ibanez hmmm, it doesn't seem to have added one. 21:39 jordan4ibanez It's in the game folder I guess. :O 21:39 jordan4ibanez dafaq 21:39 Cylus jordan4ibanez: Did you edit your settings in-game? 21:39 Cylus The one in the game directory is not the one to edit. It's game-specific. 21:40 Cylus Compiling Minetest does not automatically generate the config file. 21:40 Cylus You either need to make it yourself, or edit your settings in-game to make Minetest create it for you. 21:50 blaise how do you edit settings in game? 21:51 blaise I've always used world.mt for in game settings 21:58 Cylus blaise: If you're editing the game settings, that can't be done in-game. But it sounded like jordan4ibanez was looking for the main minetest.conf. You can edit some of those settings from the "settings" tab. 22:03 blaise ah 22:03 blaise I wonder if it's possble to do shape charges with tnt in mintest 22:03 blaise *minetest* 22:04 Warr1024 as in write a mod for them? 22:04 Warr1024 I can't think of any reason why not... 22:04 blaise well, there's already a mod that has tnt 22:04 blaise but can we shape charge? 22:05 Warr1024 IIRC explosions are not an "engine" thing and are handled in mod code now 22:05 blaise maybe it would be more apropriate to write a c-4 mod 22:05 Warr1024 so yeah, whatever shape you want. 22:05 blaise that way you can make shape charges out of c-4 putty 22:07 BillyBillards Hey 22:07 BillyBillards News guys. 22:07 BillyBillards Notch is a cop out 22:07 blaise who is notch? 22:07 BillyBillards Minecraft's owner 22:07 blaise cop out? 22:07 BillyBillards He sold out to MICROSOFT 22:07 Cylus Ah. Is this about the Microsoft deal? 22:07 Cylus I see. 22:07 BillyBillards For $2 Billion 22:08 BillyBillards Yep 22:08 Cylus So the deed is done then? 22:08 BillyBillards I kinda could tell with the EULA 22:08 BillyBillards Yep, the dark sin is done. 22:08 blaise pics or it didn't happen 22:08 blaise lmao 22:08 BillyBillards WSJ reported it 22:08 BillyBillards Same folks that got Nixon behind bars 22:09 Cylus Well, at least we still have Minetest. Good luck getting your grimy mitts on this game, Microsoft. 22:09 BillyBillards Haha 22:09 BillyBillards Word :D 22:09 blaise which word? 22:09 BillyBillards I recently dumped Windows. 22:09 BillyBillards I was using city slang, Blaise. 22:09 BillyBillards It basically means what you said is so true. 22:10 blaise woid too duh mudda land? 22:10 BillyBillards LOL. 22:10 BillyBillards Anyways. 22:10 Cylus Word to the mothership. 22:11 blaise I'm afraid I'm not very good at ebonics 22:11 BillyBillards No more Minecraft for me, I'm through. 22:11 BillyBillards I used to play both, now it's just Minetest for me 22:11 Cylus What are "ebonics"? 22:11 blaise I believe there is a google translator plugin so you can communicate with the rest of the world though.. XD 22:11 Cylus My siblings play Minecraft. I'll have to inform them of the ill news. 22:11 BillyBillards Cylus: American black English regarded as a language in its own right rather than as a dialect of standard English. 22:12 BillyBillards That is Ebonics. 22:12 Cylus Ah, I see. 22:12 blaise like the poser moble commercial? 22:12 BillyBillards Delete all copies of MC! 22:12 BillyBillards Exterminate! 22:12 blaise oh dear, he's gone deralict 22:13 BillyBillards (Dr. Who :3) 22:13 BillyBillards :D 22:13 * blaise whips out his sonic screwdriver 22:13 BillyBillards LOL 22:13 * BillyBillards whips out a nuke cannon 22:14 BillyBillards Localized Nuke Action 22:14 BillyBillards I.E You're in a barrier and a Nuke blows you up inside out, but doesn't affect anything else, except you. 22:14 BillyBillards Atomic Force Incineration :O 22:15 BillyBillards Fear the Daleks :3 22:16 blaise lol (minetest gangnam style parody 22:16 * blaise facepalms 22:18 BillyBillards Anyways, how is everyone? 22:18 BillyBillards :D 22:20 BillyBillards Hello? 22:20 Cylus I haven't eaten or drinken today, so I feel a bit out of it, but I just finished building an interesting Minetest script, so I guess I'm doing well overall. 22:20 blaise howdy 22:21 Cylus What about you, BillyBillards? 22:21 * VanessaE is okay 22:21 * blaise is impatiently waiting on his weekly system updates 22:21 BillyBillards I'm good thanks 22:21 BillyBillards :D 22:22 BillyBillards Vanessa :D It's been ages 22:22 VanessaE hi 22:22 BillyBillards I was on your server a while ago and you were making something 22:22 BillyBillards Well anyways 22:23 BillyBillards Blaise, what updates? :O 22:26 ulla hi all 22:26 ulla vanessaeeeeee 22:26 BillyBillards Hi Ulla 22:27 ulla how i interact in vanessae server 22:27 ulla thi 22:27 VanessaE which server, ulla? 22:27 VanessaE free-for-all. 22:27 VanessaE interact granted. 22:28 ulla i control dont remember 22:28 ulla :-) 22:28 VanessaE saw it on the server channel. 22:28 ulla yes 22:28 BillyBillards Is ulla trying to be cute ? 22:28 BillyBillards o.o 22:28 BillyBillards Or does she just not know English too well? 22:28 VanessaE no, she just doesn't speak english well 22:28 blaise wow 22:28 BillyBillards Oh 22:28 blaise I like the airship mod 22:28 ulla lol ty 22:29 BillyBillards I didn't mean to be Rude 22:29 BillyBillards Ulla, i'm sorry if I insulted you in any way. 22:29 ulla is fre for all 22:29 ulla no no problem 22:29 ulla i have bad english 22:30 VanessaE ulla: you can build now. 22:30 ulla in fast mode :-) 22:30 BillyBillards It's just that some people talk that way on purpose. I was just confused 22:31 BillyBillards Vanessa, have you heard? Notch sold out. 22:31 blaise you no make fun of the zohan 22:31 Warr1024 where's the reference for that? 22:31 BillyBillards Wall Street Journal 22:31 BillyBillards One of the most reliable sources in all newsdom 22:31 VanessaE BillyBillards: I heard. 22:31 ulla o i try vanessa t y all 22:31 blaise I believe we found out yesterday 22:31 Warr1024 I can't tell if that was supposed to be sarcastic or not 22:32 BillyBillards I predicted it really 22:32 Warr1024 though their paywall is certainly not helping 22:32 BillyBillards The EULA, Bukkit staff quitting 22:32 ulla ok work ty 22:32 Warr1024 what eula? 22:33 BillyBillards the recent EULA change 22:33 Warr1024 which eula? 22:33 BillyBillards I.E You can't sell items for stuff, no monetizing 22:34 BillyBillards Items for Money* 22:34 Warr1024 the one on account.mojang.com/documents/minecraft_eula was last updated 2013-12-11, supposedly 22:34 VanessaE weird thing, I actually saw some of those silly foam picks and swords at wal-mart the other day 22:34 VanessaE first time I ever actually held one 22:34 blaise yeah, they have them at hot topic, and spencers 22:35 BillyBillards Warr that's when it started 22:35 BillyBillards And now 22:35 BillyBillards They've sold out 22:37 Warr1024 ok, I must have misinterpreted it when you said "recent" 22:37 BillyBillards I'm curious but has anyone made a dedicated Mob mod for Minetest? 22:37 Warr1024 there are a pretty good number of mob mods for mt 22:37 Warr1024 I never found MT particularly conducive to mobs though. 22:38 BillyBillards Eh, I like having a few of them here and there. 22:38 Warr1024 I was more interested in experimenting with the idea of "staybs", i.e. creature-esque things in node form 22:39 BillyBillards Examples of these things, Warren? 22:39 BillyBillards Oops 22:39 BillyBillards Warr 22:39 BillyBillards XD 22:39 BillyBillards I don't know how I did that. 22:39 BillyBillards Must be Aliens. 22:39 blaise I have a perfect example 22:39 blaise just a sec.. 22:40 ulla t an other ask 22:40 ulla is possible save some position 22:40 blaise https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2979 22:40 ulla after spawn and home? 22:40 blaise ^^^ 22:40 blaise sure 22:40 blaise there's a few different ways 22:40 blaise if the server has unified inventory you can set home 22:41 blaise if you make a bed you can sleep in it 22:41 ulla tonly home? 22:41 blaise and if you die, you will respawn in the bed 22:41 BillyBillards blaise: they look nice :D 22:41 blaise BillyBillards: the non-hostile mobs? 22:41 blaise yeah, they're cute 22:41 BillyBillards Yes 22:41 BillyBillards :3 22:41 BillyBillards Widdle Slimies owo 22:42 blaise Warr1024: did you check out my link? 22:42 BillyBillards Honestly, there were some parts of Minecraft I really liked, and now I'm just very sad. 22:43 blaise I don't know the guy that coded that, but it seems to fit your inquery 22:45 BillyBillards blaise: do you know any servers where people actually talk? 22:46 Warr1024 I looked at the link 22:46 Warr1024 broken image links 22:46 Warr1024 are those mobs or staybs? 22:46 BillyBillards And I was wondering if Microsoft does get Mojang, then will they try to sue the creators of Minetest? 22:46 Warr1024 eh, I'll just clone it and rtfs 22:46 BillyBillards Guys, what do you think? 22:46 Warr1024 I don't think anyone has grounds for a lawsuit against MT. 22:46 Warr1024 on what legal theory would they be sued? 22:47 VanessaE even if they had grounds, who do they sue? 22:47 Warr1024 they'd probably name a handful of people 22:47 Warr1024 starting with the core contributors listed in the credits 22:47 VanessaE in finland, germany, poland, ... ? 22:47 VanessaE good luck with that 22:47 Warr1024 maybe 22:47 Warr1024 whomever is easiest to reach 22:48 Warr1024 I guess it depends on where they have legal teams stationed. 22:48 BillyBillards Yes. 22:48 VanessaE and what those countries' laws are regarding re-implementing something 22:48 Warr1024 yeah, it would be a real logistic nightmare for them. 22:48 VanessaE my guess is, MS would get their asses handed to them by the EU 22:48 BillyBillards That's exactly what I was thinking :3 22:48 Warr1024 I have no idea what laws are like there, but in the USA, MT is still perfectly legal. 22:49 Warr1024 voxel-based world games aren't patented, MT doesn't use any of MC's copyrighted code or assets. 22:49 Warr1024 the best shot they'd have would be a trademark violation for using the name "mine*" 22:49 Warr1024 though it's not really hard to rename an open-source project. 22:49 BillyBillards :3 22:49 blaise what I'm thinking is MS is a sinking ship which is following suite with the other sinking ships burning at sea and collecting any capital they can from infringment lawsutes 22:49 Warr1024 I always thought it should be "dig-" instead of "mine-" anyway, since that's the actual internal lexicon... 22:50 blaise s/lawsutes/lawsuites/ 22:50 BillyBillards Also they're trying to bottleneck our Internet access, but Fight for the Future is going to stop them :3 22:51 Warr1024 MS is? Last I heard it was just Comcast 22:51 Warr1024 though I guess I could see a business angle for Microsoft in slow internet. 22:51 blaise that's a moot point anyway.. and by the time google fiber get's wide spread wireless mesh networking will make the internet free for who ever has the equipment.. like it was with packet radio 50-60 years ago 22:51 Warr1024 man, I can only hope you're right about that. 22:52 BillyBillards So am I warr, so am I. 22:52 Warr1024 I'd love to drop cable TV, but it's pointless when the only viable internet provider I have access to is the same cable company 22:52 BillyBillards Yeah, I barely watch TV anymore. 22:52 blaise the 802.11 mesh specifications are already being standardized 22:53 Warr1024 I've seen a lot of promising mesh technologies, but I haven't seen it really gain any momentum as a movement, or see any significant deployment... 22:53 BillyBillards I mostly read Manga and watch stuff on Youtube. 22:53 blaise it's pretty wide spread in EU 22:53 Warr1024 ah, that's why 22:53 Warr1024 you're not stuck in the USA with ancient communications standards 22:53 BillyBillards Who isn't? 22:53 BillyBillards Ah 22:54 BillyBillards True that 22:55 blaise the whole reason why they sold out is because they're busted anyway 22:55 blaise everyone already has complete access to the sources.. 22:56 blaise their laucher is the only thing that checks proper auth... 22:56 Warr1024 I don't think it's an issue 22:56 blaise so anyone that can modify windows executables with a hex editor can have complete access to all old releases, current releases, and dev releases 22:56 Warr1024 software piracy is never a real significant threat to profits. 22:56 Warr1024 especially when the thing is so cheap compared to a lot of other big titles. 22:57 blaise if google hadn't given me a copy, I sure as hell wasn't forking over more than a half dollar for it. 22:57 BillyBillards blaise: The only reason they sold out is that Notch is a hypocrite and always had his eye on the money 22:58 blaise how is he a hypocrite if he always had his eye on the money 22:58 BillyBillards blaise: He rattled on and on about how big corps were bad 22:58 blaise pfft, welcome to corperate propoganda 22:58 BillyBillards Yep, but a lot of people actually bought into it 22:59 BillyBillards I know a guy who says it's impossible. 22:59 Warr1024 they're still a small corp, depending on how you measure these things 22:59 Warr1024 big money, but not a huge staff 22:59 Warr1024 they probably still have that small company culture where anyone can talk to anyone else, and there isn't a lot of red tape 22:59 blaise at the end of the day, you can look at a person and how they live to see if they'll bite at the bait for power and control 22:59 Warr1024 of course, that'll change... 23:02 BillyBillards Yep 23:03 Warr1024 well, anyone with an ownership interest in the company now probably doesn't need to care 23:03 Warr1024 after all, they can retire. 23:04 Warr1024 and it's not like microsoft is going to sweep in there and kill the goose that laid the golden egg right away. 23:04 BillyBillards True 23:05 Warr1024 though it probably means that they're gonna have to replace all their Amazon services with Azure ones or something. 23:05 BillyBillards Yep, they will probably. 23:05 Warr1024 hotmail used to be good before microsoft bought them 23:06 BillyBillards Warr1024: and skype 23:06 Warr1024 then they were required to replace their fast, working FreeBSD infrastructure with an NT one. 23:06 Warr1024 I haven't had much experience with Skype myself. 23:06 Warr1024 it's the "eating your own dogfood" thing 23:06 BillyBillards Well, I still use it, regrettably. 23:06 Warr1024 except that when it comes to doing internetty servery things, you're choking on microsoft's dogfood. 23:07 Warr1024 I've used Skype a little, but only post-microsoft. 23:07 BillyBillards Because some of my friends still happen to use it. 23:07 BillyBillards And they happen to be very good friends 23:07 Warr1024 ironically I miss netmeeting 23:07 BillyBillards You've used it? :O 23:08 Warr1024 ekiga was a good replacement in theory, but setting up SIP is a LOT more complicated than just manually opening some firewall holes for H.263 or whatever it was. 23:08 BillyBillards Yeah, SIP is. 23:08 Warr1024 hell, I used netmeeting's password-protected remote desktop sharing from back before Windows included RDP. 23:09 Warr1024 it's been a long time since I've run Windows at home... 23:10 BillyBillards I wonder if more people will flock to Minetest when they hear about the sale 23:10 BillyBillards owo 23:10 Warr1024 flock? probably not... but it might not hurt to advertise a little 23:10 Warr1024 that is, if you WANT people flocking, I guess. 23:10 BillyBillards :D It wouldn't 23:11 Warr1024 on the one hand, you may get more testers, more modders and new creative content... on the other, it could create some unwanted support noise... 23:11 BillyBillards Well, let's be a little optimistic here. 23:11 Warr1024 but for anyone who plays minecraft on the xbox, I'm sure this is basically a "whatever" for them :-) 23:12 BillyBillards PlayStation ftw. 23:12 Warr1024 I always found it weird that minecraft's pocket edition is a separate game 23:12 BillyBillards Just saying. 23:12 BillyBillards It is. 23:12 BillyBillards They even have exclusive stuff 23:12 Warr1024 minetest on android is teh exact same minetest 23:12 Warr1024 you can play on the same servers, same mods, everything 23:13 Warr1024 I love the interoperability. 23:13 BillyBillards :D 23:13 BillyBillards So do I 23:15 BillyBillards Well, as I was asking earlier 23:15 BillyBillards Anyone know of any servers where people actually talk? 23:42 jin_xi ok, so i hacked something up, only plain colors for now, but yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOT93j2jx38&feature=youtu.be 23:44 VanessaE that's a lot of nodes. 23:45 jin_xi and no textures used 23:45 jin_xi just rgb in nodedef 23:46 VanessaE nice