Time Nick Message 00:44 Batman Hi. Just wondering if on_walk is possible. I want to make a block change when someone stands or walks on it 00:46 VanessaE not at present. but you could run an ABM with your node as the target 00:46 VanessaE have it check for a player above the target and then act on that 00:47 VanessaE but that's slow 00:47 paramat Batman see the code here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6773 00:48 Cylus Is there an efficient method of adding semi-randomized structures (similar to the dungeons) to the game, or would that need to be completely coded from scratch in Lua? 00:48 VanessaE I was about to suggest an on_globalstep next :P 00:48 Batman Vanessa I remember you suggesting on_walk last year 00:49 Batman Thought it might have happened 00:49 Batman thanks for the help 00:49 VanessaE Batman: I don't recall doing so. such a function would be useful though. 00:52 Batman Sorry I just looked it up. It was Peacock that suggested it. irc log #minetest 203-11-24 00:53 Batman 2013 00:54 Batman Thanks for your help. I think I got what I need. Keep up the awesome work! 01:08 paramat Cylus see my 'catacomb' mod 01:08 Cylus Alright, I'll do that. Thanks paramat! 01:11 paramat new mod =D https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10072 01:13 Cylus Why so you use different stair nodes for different stair facings? 01:15 Cylus That's quite a cave in the second picture. I'm not sure what I'm looking at in the first. 01:34 paramat Yes because the voxelmanip can set rotation of a node but that needs a lot more processing, i think 4 nodes is faster 01:44 Cylus Ah, I see. I had no idea. 01:45 paramat Cylus, this recent commit makes it easier to set a few special nodes, including rotation https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f3eefeb7948b8b8d1a98f2f89baa39abc807f72d 01:45 Cylus This seems really complex. I can't really tell what the code is saying at all. I think I might put my idea on hold for the time being. 01:46 Cylus Also, while flying through the ground in my test world looking for catacombs, I ran into a cat! But then the lava poured in and covered it. 01:48 Cylus I'm debating about keeping the coordinates to locate it in my actual world (I always use the same seed), but I think that might be cheating. 01:49 paramat you're lucky, nyancats are super rare 01:51 paramat there are 4 spawner nodes that trigger 4 ABMs that each create a stair/corridor plus a chamber at the end, using a voxelmanip 01:51 Cylus Yeah, but finding them in worlds that you have fly in makes it maybe too easy to find them. 01:52 Cylus I'll have to look into voxelmanip. I haven't even heard of it. 01:52 Cylus Is it new? 01:53 paramat maybe a year? there's a good topic on it in the 'news' subforum, with examples and links 01:53 Cylus Okay, sweet. Thanks! 03:01 jordan4ibanez Say I have a table table = {{"1"},{"2"},{"3"},{"4"},{"5"}} 03:02 jordan4ibanez I can do for i = 1,5 do print(table[i]) end 03:02 jordan4ibanez but when I try i = 5,1 do print(table[i]) end it goes no where 03:02 jordan4ibanez what do 03:04 jordan4ibanez Something rather than using for i = -5,-1 do i = math.abs(i) print(table[i]) end 03:14 kahrl jordan4ibanez: for i = 5,1,-1 03:14 jordan4ibanez Thank you 03:28 jordan4ibanez Result http://youtu.be/XnStjXu5fsk 03:58 oio_ where can i report aproblem 04:16 kaeza greetings 05:11 Cylus I give up. Either these catacombs are not spawning, or they are very rare. 07:19 blaise this mod looks awesome. https://gitlab.com/CiaranG/railcarts/tree/2efd6cbd5520386e6a0b2759fbe151c61b5b3a21 07:19 blaise I wish it worked with vanilla minetest 07:19 blaise :\ 07:46 PenguinDad http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/14/q3/e128/Pic-5.jpg xD 07:56 Krock moin 08:02 nman3600 Moin 09:29 PenguinDad yet another msvc fuck up https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1607 09:30 nman3600 Hey john_minetest and PenguinDad 09:31 PenguinDad hi nman3600 et john_minetest 09:31 Krock PenguinDad, mhm? MSVC under linux? 09:31 PenguinDad Krock: huh? 09:31 Krock PenguinDad, commit #2 09:32 PenguinDad Krock: what does this have to do with msvc and linux? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f3eefeb7948b8b8d1a98f2f89baa39abc807f72d 09:33 Krock yet another msvc fuck 09:33 Krock same question. 09:33 * PenguinDad is confuzzed 09:33 * Krock even more 10:39 T4im hm.. yea i've been getting those latly as well.. usually after the public server list didn't load correctly 11:10 * Krock has other problems 11:19 * PenguinDad has other other problems 11:40 Krock <3 bread + chocolate 11:49 nman3600 <3 Krock's geniousity 11:49 nman3600 Fail 13:17 Krock *kills chrome.exe with highest CPU load* 13:17 Krock oops, everything closed.. 13:18 nman3600 xD 13:18 PenguinDad > Google Chrome 13:20 Krock > Google Chrome 13:20 Krock who said google chrome? 13:20 Krock it could be a renamed tetris game 13:27 PenguinDad Then you either have a crappy cpu or the tetris game is badly coded 13:29 T4im the '.exe' kind of gives the problem away 13:30 T4im wine is simply adding too much overhead around it 13:30 T4im :P 13:37 Krock PenguinDad, no. it's because chromium has a "main" process. all other processes depend on it. it it gets closed, all other do the same. 13:38 Krock T4im, that's your view. I love .exe 13:39 * PenguinDad slaps Krock with Executable and Linkable Format 13:39 T4im a view from outside plato's cave ;) 13:40 * Krock throws .exe and .url and .internetexploreristhebesteverserousy at PenguinDad 13:41 SaltyDog001 Greetings, can anyone help with a linux program to automatically restart minetest server if it crashes. Have tried a few scripts from Google search but I'm n00b at linux and not working. 13:41 T4im runit provides service supervision 13:42 T4im http://smarden.org/runit/ 13:42 * PenguinDad SIGILL 13:42 * Krock would like to help but he doesn't know anything about linux 13:42 T4im or system administration in general :p 13:42 Krock PenguinDad, you're ill? sig ill? 13:42 T4im i think i meant SIGKILL 13:43 PenguinDad Krock: Illegal instruction 13:43 SaltyDog001 Thanks I will look into that. Server goes down and I don't get to it for serveral hours. 13:43 T4im oh, indeed.. never seen sigill before O_o 13:43 T4im SaltyDog001: you're welcome 13:44 T4im it will generally restart processes that die for any reason 13:44 T4im provided you tell it you want it started 13:44 T4im :) 13:45 SaltyDog001 Sounds like what I need. Hopefully I can figure it out :) 13:45 T4im it will also enforce the other direction.. stop it, with signal escalation if necessary, if the prozess freezes for some reason 13:45 SaltyDog001 nice 13:46 * Jordach throws Firefox at Krock 13:46 * PenguinDad throws Waterfox at Jordach 13:46 * Krock slaps Jordach with an fire extinguisher 13:47 SaltyDog001 ouch 13:47 SaltyDog001 ok thanks again :) 13:47 T4im don't mention it :) 13:56 T4im i think though, that these supervision tools only restart if theres reason to assume it stays up :P 13:56 T4im like if multiple crashs occur after each other in a short period, it wont keep trying 13:56 T4im which might be generally healthy for the system or the data 13:56 T4im to.. not push it 13:58 T4im hehe 13:59 T4im actually no 13:59 T4im && will only if the exist value shows no signs of trouble ;) 14:00 T4im or is minetest returning unconventionally? 14:00 PenguinDad john_minetest: s/&&/;/ 14:00 T4im || 14:00 T4im that way it wont restart if you do a planned shutdown 14:01 T4im but its still a hack.. just use supervision :P they simple take a bashscript in which you call the process.. thats all they need (provided the process runs in foreground) 14:02 T4im you end up with even less bash than your 'quick hack' ;) 14:18 PenguinDad Zeg9 had a server? o_O 15:00 Jordach oh for fuck sakes 15:00 Jordach enter + pwdfield in mainmenu gives 100% rate access violations 15:01 VanessaE go bitch about it in -dev then 15:01 VanessaE and keep bitching until someone fixes it 15:01 Jordach VanessaE, it's related to formspec fixes with the chat doing the same 15:01 VanessaE stupid bugs like that should not be allowed to stand 15:03 VanessaE so? 15:03 VanessaE get over in -dev and raise hell 15:03 Krock Jordach, I'm not getting a 100% rate 15:03 VanessaE I get no crashes at all, but I run Linux, so it's probably caused by the compiler that was used to create your build 15:04 kahrl looks like a fun bug 15:04 Jordach Krock, extremely often with MSVC 64 BM 15:04 kahrl for me it crashes whenever I'm not running it under gdb 15:04 T4im a heisenbug then 15:05 Jordach Schrödinger's Bug in this case 15:05 Jordach (actually for how random it is, kinda a decent RNG) 15:08 sfan5 :F 15:09 sfan5 :D * 15:09 kahrl oh, wait, is this actually #1512? 15:09 kahrl I finally got a backtrace in gdb and it looks the same 15:09 VanessaE might be. 15:10 VanessaE interesting that this guy gets the bug under Arch though 15:16 VanessaE ok strike that.. am I the only linux user who *doesn't* get that particular crash? ;) 15:16 jojoa1997 VanessaE i dont get it either 15:16 jojoa1997 ;) 15:17 jojoa1997 Cause I have not used Ubuntu in forever 15:17 jojoa1997 VMs to test yes but actual personal use no 15:17 VanessaE I use Xubuntu... 15:19 * sfan5 uses Arch 15:21 * Krock uses Win5.1 15:24 PenguinDad VanessaE: I don't get it either 15:26 davexunit hello all. is there a way to configure the search path for games via an environment variable? 15:27 davexunit rather than setting the path at compile time. 15:28 VanessaE davexunit: none that I've seen, and I don't think such will be supported. why do you need this? 15:28 sfan5 oh look, someone from the FSF 15:29 sfan5 distro package maintainer? 15:29 davexunit VanessaE: I am one of the GNU Guix developers, a new package manager and distribution of the GNU system. we build on Nix, you may have heard of that. 15:29 sfan5 yay, guessed right 15:29 VanessaE not familiar with Nix, no. 15:29 davexunit packages are built and maintained quite differently than you'd expect in debian. 15:30 PenguinDad http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail lol 15:30 davexunit there's no /usr/share/minetest/games to write to. The packages for minetest and minetest_game are built and installed in isolation. 15:31 VanessaE games are also installed to $HOME/.minetest/games .... 15:31 davexunit when a user installs the packages, they are unioned together via symlinks in the user's "profile". 15:31 sfan5 interesting concept 15:31 davexunit without getting too much into it, the path to the "minimal" game is different than the path to "minetest_game" 15:31 sfan5 different packages? 15:32 VanessaE minimal is not a game. 15:32 sfan5 not really 15:32 VanessaE do not separate it from the engine core 15:32 davexunit VanessaE: yes, it is packaged with the engine core. 15:32 VanessaE ok 15:32 davexunit but the files are found in the system's games directory 15:32 sfan5 so you need multiple game search paths? 15:32 davexunit my point was that another package *cannot* write to this directory, it is immutable. 15:33 davexunit sfan5: yeah, or some other solution. 15:34 davexunit I'm exploring the possibilities. I have minetest core already packaged and running on guix. :) 15:35 sfan5 davexunit: possible solution: http://sprunge.us/MGcf 15:35 sfan5 just add paths there 15:35 davexunit sfan5: the problem is that at build time I shouldn't know about minetest_game. 15:36 davexunit I'd like to keep them decoupled. 15:36 sfan5 getenv("MINETEST_GAME_PATH") and strtok() might work 15:36 davexunit sfan5: yes, that's what I think, too. 15:37 davexunit in guix we have a good system for manipulating search paths and providing the proper settings to users. 15:37 sfan5 btw: if you make any changes that might be generally useful send us a pull 15:37 davexunit sfan5: I'll work on a patch. 15:38 davexunit I will check for the presence of MINETEST_GAME_PATH, otherwise use the path that was compiled in. 15:38 sfan5 so the env. var. overrides the default paths? 15:39 davexunit yeah, only if defined, of course. 15:39 VanessaE davexunit: I suggest MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH 15:39 davexunit otherwise it looks in the sharepath 15:39 davexunit VanessaE: sounds good to me 15:39 VanessaE since there are many subgames available, else it may be confused for minetest_game 15:39 davexunit whatever name makes it consistent 15:39 davexunit yeah, that makes sense. 15:41 davexunit I appreciate the help, VanessaE and sfan5 15:41 sfan5 np 15:41 davexunit I'll come up with a patch and open a PR. 15:43 MinetestBot 02[Git] 04Sapier at GMX dot net -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix access to invalid data on reception of packet with size 0 13944e79d http://git.io/zfXw1w (152014-09-06T17:42:34+02:00) 15:48 CraigyDavi` Anyone know if it's possible to only alias existing placed blocks of node1 -> node2 but still allow node1 to be placed without converting it? 15:51 T4im well, if all you want is to keep the functionality of node1, why not just drop node2 on dig? 15:52 CraigyDavi` But that would mean that when placing node1 afterwards they would also get node2 on drop 15:54 VanessaE what are you trying to accomplish, more specifically? 15:54 T4im well you could just alias them to node2 now, and give node2 a new on_place that swaps them with a node3 that mimiks node1.. but that will lead to anyone digging node2 to place it as node3 as well 15:54 T4im or on_construct* 15:57 jojoa1997 VanessaE I use Xubuntu the most on my VM 15:57 CraigyDavi` Well darkage is an old mod so the "cobble" looks like bricks. I wanted to change the texture of the cobble node to actually look like cobble but then I realised it would affect existing buildings. Converting only the existing ones to bricklike nodes would keep the same look at they were before 15:58 CraigyDavi` Then people who intentionally wanted to place a cobble looking node then they could. 15:58 CraigyDavi` Or maybe I'll just have to make them put up with it :) 15:58 Amaz Just make stone drop cobble, and convert the cobble to brick. 15:58 jojoa1997 CraigyDavi` what mod is it? 16:00 CraigyDavi` https://github.com/CraigyDavi/darkage 16:00 jojoa1997 is it this mod? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3213 16:00 CraigyDavi` ^^ 16:00 VanessaE CraigyDavi`: better idea: update to current, use worldedit to transform all of those cobble structures to use stonebrick. 16:00 VanessaE then just go with the normal cobble behavior. 16:00 jojoa1997 or maybe use a new node 16:00 jojoa1997 ? 16:00 VanessaE it'll take some time but in the long run it'll be easier 16:01 jojoa1997 VanessaE what about other poeple's worlds? 16:01 CraigyDavi` Amaz, fair enough. Although that would cause the problem of there being no cobble 16:01 T4im i dont think he means that for a single server, but the mod... and there using worldedit isnt possible with its license 16:01 CraigyDavi` Well..I was rather hoping it could be done via the mod 16:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: tough shit? 16:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: or, use worldedit like I just said. if you transform cobble -> stonebrick when updating such an old world, the players won't notice anything was changed. 16:02 jojoa1997 VanessaE what if someone made a change in a mod that you use and when you updated it it messed everything up? 16:02 VanessaE CraigyDavi`: it can be done but it'll be hacky 16:03 VanessaE jojoa1997: no one made a "change in a mod".. the game was updated many months ago. 16:03 VanessaE as in, almost two years ago that texture was changed wasn't it? 16:03 jojoa1997 no 16:03 VanessaE yes. 16:03 CraigyDavi` Yes quite a long time ago 16:03 VanessaE more than a year, for sure. 16:03 jojoa1997 the cobble texture changed about a year ago 16:03 T4im (i take it you made your own cobble, and are not talking about the default one..) why not create a new 'real cobble looking node', take away the craftrecipe for the old one and convert all of the old ones on_place to the new one 16:03 VanessaE and a month or two ago, it changed again to give the cobble more definition and substance. 16:04 jojoa1997 probably less because it was the squary texture near before i left 16:05 CraigyDavi` T4im, but that only takes place when someone walks up to the mapblock, right? And then they would have to remove that code afterwards 16:06 CraigyDavi` Maybe it's just easier to make a config.php file with darkage.use_classic_cobble = true/false or whatever 16:06 CraigyDavi` *.lua 16:06 VanessaE jojoa1997: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/8fece11cc7446f6c1e323a594cf043a8cce965f9#diff-5856ae5591da165c790696ec494017d9 16:06 VanessaE March 2012. 16:06 VanessaE that's when it changed from bricks to "cobble" cobble. 16:07 VanessaE wait, wrong commit 16:07 jojoa1997 um 16:07 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/467e2029e220f1a90aef2c04468a6de95089c107#diff-5856ae5591da165c790696ec494017d9 16:07 VanessaE that one 16:07 VanessaE March 2013. 16:08 jojoa1997 that was from vobble to brick ;) 16:08 jojoa1997 wtf is witht he mese texture 16:08 VanessaE the second one is when stone bricks were added and is when we gained the cobble-looking texture we had until _next was merged. 16:08 VanessaE so still over a year ago. 16:08 jojoa1997 I miss the old mese look 16:08 CraigyDavi` I like the new mese 16:08 jojoa1997 um 16:09 CraigyDavi` Old one looked like "mese" was drawn by a three year old 16:09 jojoa1997 march 202013 16:09 jojoa1997 Yeah but it had that special feature to it 16:09 VanessaE jojoa1997: yeah. March 2013. this is now August 2014. that's about a year and a half ago. 16:09 jojoa1997 now I have to dig ore to make a block 16:10 jojoa1997 :P 16:10 VanessaE jojoa1997: wrong. 16:10 VanessaE jojoa1997: dig deeper. solid blocks can be found at -1024 and below. 16:10 jojoa1997 i forgot about that 16:10 jojoa1997 and i meant this one 16:10 jojoa1997 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/minetest_game/8fece11cc7446f6c1e323a594cf043a8cce965f9/mods/default/textures/default_mese.png 16:11 jojoa1997 Why was it removed? 16:12 jojoa1997 great now I feel the necesity to play the old miencraft versions 16:12 CraigyDavi` Well the word mese originated from mese eyes "8D". That texture didn't really sum that up imo 16:12 jojoa1997 mese eyes? 16:12 VanessaE jojoa1997: oh G*d, that old one? because it's ugly as sin 16:12 jojoa1997 no that is a smiley face with sun glasses 16:12 VanessaE sorry to cisoun but that one is just terrible 16:12 CraigyDavi` No it's mese eyes 16:13 jojoa1997 um 16:13 jojoa1997 gosh what version did i join in 16:13 jojoa1997 VanessaE what version was the game when you first joined? 16:13 VanessaE jojoa1997: 0.4.0-d1 or thereabouts 16:13 VanessaE March 2012. 16:13 jojoa1997 oh what? 16:14 VanessaE first post was on April 1, 2012. 16:14 jojoa1997 I thought I joined before you 16:14 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1580 16:14 jojoa1997 I joined july 2012 16:14 jojoa1997 I am blind 16:14 jojoa1997 I remember now 16:14 VanessaE (I don't count my forum join date as when I joined the community - I was here for about a month before I started on the forum) 16:15 jojoa1997 same here 16:15 jojoa1997 I had to go behind my moms back to join XD 16:15 jojoa1997 she was still in control of my email then 16:16 VanessaE hell you STILL go behind your mom's back :P 16:17 jojoa1997 The first game I played I went in a desert but the thing was HUGE, I never found another biomne except the sea 16:17 jojoa1997 VanessaE yeah but this was the first time I ever did that 16:17 jojoa1997 Minetest corrupted me 16:17 jojoa1997 and also made me independant 16:18 jojoa1997 stupid dad 16:18 jojoa1997 shut off the power to my side of the house to work on electricity 16:18 jojoa1997 I WAS USIG MY DUAL MONITOR HERE! 16:18 jojoa1997 john_minetest i waited 5 months to use mine 16:18 jojoa1997 5 months to join 16:19 jojoa1997 it was also my first forum and my first online multiplayer experience(excepot webkins) 16:19 PenguinDad this remembers me of my first ram corruption… lol 16:19 VanessaE john_minetest: trust me, get two monitors and use them for a while and you'll wonder how you EVER got by with just one,. 16:19 jojoa1997 john_minetest watching the college class while doing the work 16:19 VanessaE after a while you may find yourself wishing you had THREE. 16:19 jojoa1997 VanessaE +1 16:19 T4im multi monitor setups pay out quickly.. you need way less context switching, when working on several tasks 16:20 jojoa1997 Example I usually keep my searching google on my right screen(second monitor) and all the video stuff where coloration matters on my leptop screen 16:20 jojoa1997 john_minetest that is fine but dual monitor is better 16:20 T4im minetest: nope, since you can look at both at the same time 16:20 VanessaE john_minetest: nope, it's faster with two monitors, because you don't have to re-focus 16:21 T4im imagine you code in one window while testing on the other.. no switching of stuff at all.. or write somethign in one, while using the other as a template 16:21 jojoa1997 VanessaE when I move out I want a 3-6 monitor set up when I get a desktop computer 16:21 VanessaE john_minetest: after a while, it feels like having one very wide screen 16:21 T4im yes ^^ 16:22 VanessaE john_minetest: I'll see your 1920x1080 and raise you 3200x1200. :-) 16:22 jojoa1997 john_minetest i used ubuntu also and had 4 virtual desktops and use deskpot which is that but for windows 16:22 jojoa1997 Dual monitor wroks even better with VDs 16:23 T4im gnome 3 is neat.. it allows you to set up VD that way, that it only switches one monitor to another vd.. 16:23 MinetestBot 02[Git] 04Sapier at GMX dot net -> 03minetest/minetest: Log unhandled exceptions in connectionthreads to errorstream 1362ea342 http://git.io/72CAhA (152014-09-06T18:22:27+02:00) 16:23 T4im you can basicly have a sticky browser :) 16:23 T4im or something similar 16:23 VanessaE john_minetest: when your eyes go bad, you'll wish you had a bigger monitor :) 16:23 VanessaE more pixels is nice 16:24 jojoa1997 VanessaE what monitor do you use? 16:24 jojoa1997 My second monitor is my TV 16:24 VanessaE jojoa1997: I have a pair of Dell 2001FPs 16:25 jojoa1997 pic? 16:25 T4im there's this computer scientist guy, that held lectures after being diagnosed with a brain tumor.. one of the tips he gave to everyone, where he regreted to not do it earlier in life, is to buy a second screen.. :P 16:25 jojoa1997 Ill have to show you a pic of my setup 16:25 * T4im forgot the name, but he appeared later in a star trek movie as a last wish 16:25 jojoa1997 I miss my old desk where it had more room but I can now put my computer in a corner 16:25 VanessaE jojoa1997: I do not have a good photo of this setup, my desk is too messy :P 16:25 jojoa1997 my desk 16:26 jojoa1997 VanessaE i mean online 16:26 jojoa1997 I think I will go play Minecraft 16:27 VanessaE noooo 16:27 jojoa1997 FYI Minecraft is way better as a game but if you mod stuff for Minetest_game...Minecraft is still smoother ;) 16:27 VanessaE so help make minetest better. 16:27 jojoa1997 My mom prefers Minetest over Minecraft because she can barely play Minetest and cant play Minecraft XD 16:27 jojoa1997 VanessaE I am playing with a friend 16:28 jojoa1997 Anyways once I get a Minetest server up we can play minetest too ;D 16:28 VanessaE meh, just play on mine 16:29 jojoa1997 Um 16:29 jojoa1997 no 16:29 VanessaE :( 16:29 VanessaE not even Vanilla? 16:29 jojoa1997 First I dont want to force her to register in the forums and stuff 16:29 VanessaE you don't have to. 16:29 jojoa1997 and two we are playing with ea...WHAT! 16:29 VanessaE G*d damn you are out of date. 16:29 jojoa1997 VanessaE who are you and what have you done with VanessaE 16:30 VanessaE oh hell jojo I lifted that rule a LONG time ago 16:30 jojoa1997 VanessaE the most I have been involved until recently is barely looking at the forums 16:30 jojoa1997 ok VanessaE write me an essay on all the changes that has happened to everyone so I am up to date 16:30 jojoa1997 NOW 16:30 * jojoa1997 offers VanessaE a kitten as an exchange 16:31 VanessaE "Well, first the earth cooled...and then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they died and turned into oil. And then the Arabs came, and they bought Mercedes Benzes..." 16:32 jojoa1997 um 16:32 jojoa1997 you are wrong 16:32 luizrpgluiz hi 16:32 jojoa1997 one second 16:33 jojoa1997 I currently fact checked a video 16:33 fishyWET hey, would anyone be interested to combine capes from minetest_game default character into minetest-3d-armor character, to allow capes and armor to be worn at the same time, sort of targeted towards Jordach 16:33 VanessaE jojoa1997: jeez man, get some culture. I was quoting "Airplane!". 16:34 jojoa1997 Well it was before the dinosaurs, but when the plants ruled the earth and there was .... VanessaE I am in IB. I dont have time to talk here let alone get soem culture 16:34 jojoa1997 Capes on default character? 16:34 jojoa1997 They finished that?!@ 16:34 VanessaE wait, Airplane II 16:34 jojoa1997 Jordach hi 16:34 VanessaE I was quoting Airplane II rather. 16:35 VanessaE Steve McCroskey: Jacobs, I want to know absolutely everything that's happened up till now. 16:35 VanessaE Jacobs: Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it. 16:35 jojoa1997 forget playing 16:35 jojoa1997 It is time to do some testing of elementaryOS 16:36 jojoa1997 Does anyone here use python day to day? 16:36 VanessaE jojoa1997: just watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MabLtuTpDw8 16:36 VanessaE 25 seconds. 16:37 VanessaE that video fits PERFECTLY with this discussion 16:37 VanessaE it can't get any better. 16:37 jojoa1997 lol 16:37 jojoa1997 VanessaE one word 16:37 jojoa1997 OLD! That is an old movie and I dont watch that many movies 16:38 VanessaE just watch the G*d damned clip :) 16:38 VanessaE you can spare 25 seconds :) 16:41 jojoa1997 i watched it 16:41 jojoa1997 hence the old comment 16:42 * dimension wonders what she walked into 16:43 jojoa1997 shadowzone you walked into my MIND! I cant even escape the insanity! 16:43 * shadowzone shivers 16:43 shadowzone It is creepy in here. 16:44 jojoa1997 You know I have seen Windows, Linux, and Mac and really they all are not bad. To me it seems that people dont like the companies or ideas behind the operating systems 16:44 shadowzone I prefer linux. 16:44 jojoa1997 so all those who think that Macs are now in the sour apple stage and Windows should be thrown out of themselves can go in a hole. Argue against the company or idea not the product! 16:45 jojoa1997 shadowzone I like Linux a lot but I will always use Windows. 16:45 jojoa1997 Though Windows 8 seems nice but it sucks because it is a pain in da behind 16:46 jojoa1997 VanessaE did I used to spam around right before I left? 16:46 VanessaE jojoa1997: not that I recall. 16:47 jojoa1997 Did I spam when I first joined? 16:47 jojoa1997 actually 16:47 VanessaE a bit, yes. 16:47 VanessaE as for windows or os-x, I've used both, and I don't like how they function. 16:47 jojoa1997 VanessaE I do agree with you a bit there. Except there is no perfect OS ;) 16:48 VanessaE windows has a track record of poor security and poor stability, and it is maintained by a company that panders to the US government and media corporations, so it is not trustworthy in the slightest. os-x I just don't like its usability model is all. 16:48 jojoa1997 Now that I think about it, to me I did not spam when I first joined because I didnt understand how forums really work and there was no malicious content. I just posted wrond and did have many questions 16:49 jojoa1997 Ah but VanessaE windows uses all the programs my mom bought and Linux distributions dont last long in my hands 16:49 T4im well.. theres a slight hope that the new CEO turns a few things around at MS... at least i doubt he can make anthing worse... that ballmer guy was simply crazy 16:49 jojoa1997 I have broken a Linux OS over 100 times now. 16:50 T4im thats the difference.. you gotta break a linux.. windows breaks all on its own 16:50 jojoa1997 not a single one but overall. Only ubuntu seems to last for me compared to the others(7 times for ubuntu) 16:50 jojoa1997 T4im no 16:50 T4im :D 16:50 T4im at least it did back in the days 16:51 jojoa1997 I have never broke or had windows break on me 16:51 VanessaE jojoa1997: if an OS "doesn't last long in [your] hands" I'd call that a PEBCAK issue ;-) 16:51 jojoa1997 It is the user, My sister had to get a new computer because she physically broke it and "mentally" broke it while mine is in perfect overused condition 16:51 jojoa1997 PEBCAK? 16:52 VanessaE Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard 16:52 VanessaE ;) 16:52 jojoa1997 Did I ever say I was sane? 16:52 VanessaE haha 16:52 T4im jojoa: even today, people defend windows still by 'its pretty stable by now'... they dont sell you the feature of useability, security, ease of use, empowering, performance, cost effeciency, or anything else but the fact, that it is not suddenly bsod'ing anymore.. 16:52 T4im :D 16:53 jojoa1997 T4im I am not defending the stability or windows. I am defending windows on the fact that 16:53 jojoa1997 those who hate windows think 16:53 jojoa1997 that those who use and like windows are idiots 16:54 jojoa1997 Also a friend of mine uses Mac for it's ability in design. Me I use windows cause 1) mom(I cant argue against he most authoritative figure in my life for hte most part) and 2) I am too integrated into it, 16:55 T4im well.. fair enough.. i guess that or something along those lines might be 'felt' quite often i guess.. if it makes you feel any better, i dont think that it implies being an idiot at all.. 16:55 jojoa1997 But I also use Linux and see the not perfect side of it 16:55 T4im though i do count this as another issue of 'plato's cave' 16:55 T4im just as the monitors 16:55 T4im ;) 16:55 jojoa1997 Also I think it is bad that the fact that I uninstalled ever program on a ubuntu live usb means something 16:56 Krock Do you know the situation where you need to fart but can't 16:56 jojoa1997 School 16:57 jojoa1997 VanessaE what are all the kinds of servers you run? 16:58 VanessaE jojoa1997: I have eight of them 16:58 Krock casimir, I was on your server and ran into a problem: How can I craft an axe? It's not possible to dig the trunks by hand and the leaves are only craftable to sticks 16:59 VanessaE two running Dreambuilder (one creative, one survival). One running Nore/sfan5's MG mapgen mod, one running Nostalgia Game, one running Realtest, one Vanilla + a few basic mods, one also vanilla + a few more mods + PVP (free for all), and one for testing experimental stuff on technic 17:00 sfan5 !server mg 17:00 MinetestBot sfan5: No results 17:00 sfan5 .. 17:01 jojoa1997 VanessaE geesh 17:01 Krock !server mapgen 17:01 MinetestBot Krock: VanessaE's/Nore's Lua mapgen test Server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30003 | Clients: 0/50, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 218ms 17:02 Krock sfan5 ^ 17:02 sfan5 i see 17:02 PenguinDad !server Creative 17:02 MinetestBot PenguinDad: VanessaE's Creative Server | digitalaudioconcepts.com | Clients: 0/50, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / dreambuilder_game | Ping: 116ms 17:02 VanessaE sfan5: the bot name in the server network is "MG-Nore" 17:02 jojoa1997 time to do my class, I am insane for doing a college class and all IB classes 17:03 jojoa1997 oh also my spanish teacher told my class that International Baccalaureate meant International High School...I learned the meaning of my program's english name in Spanish... wtf is this! 17:05 sfan5 !server players:most 17:05 MinetestBot sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 59/78, 65/75 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 46ms 17:07 jojoa1997 How would I make a gas in Minetest? Kinda like water physics but going up? 17:07 VanessaE there's no function for that yet 17:07 VanessaE you'll have to fake it 17:08 jojoa1997 That is what i mean 17:08 jojoa1997 How can I fake it 17:08 jojoa1997 Or is someone working on something like that? 17:08 VanessaE setting nodes and managing where you set them 17:08 VanessaE I mean literally coding it from scratch 17:08 jojoa1997 Forget that it would be too laggy 17:09 VanessaE it would be slow, but not necessarily laggy 17:09 jojoa1997 What would be a sensible way of extracting gasses from the air? I want to make an elements mod(all the elements int he periodic table) so i can do some realistic mods 17:09 VanessaE that has been tried before and can't be done the way you want 17:10 VanessaE besides, air contains only a few trace elements. 17:10 VanessaE most of the elements you'd get from the ground. 17:10 jojoa1997 I was planning on having air pockets underground 17:10 VanessaE you'd have to make a machine that basically randomly creates and drops whatever your element is. 17:10 jojoa1997 grrrr 17:10 jojoa1997 I hate/suck at formspec 17:10 jojoa1997 s 17:10 VanessaE everyone does. 17:11 VanessaE except RBA and sapier :) 17:11 jojoa1997 Oh VanessaE I finally understand the for loops. all thanks to testing in python 17:11 jojoa1997 VanessaE I love them but I hate anything but the player inventory 17:12 jojoa1997 Is there a machine that randomly gives you items that someone else has coded 17:12 jojoa1997 ? 17:12 sfan5 # 17:12 * jojoa1997 pets sfan5 17:12 * sfan5 purrs 17:12 VanessaE not that I know of, but your "mese giver" item from your display blocks mod is similar. 17:12 VanessaE re-code that to do what you want. 17:12 jojoa1997 what? 17:12 jojoa1997 display blocks... 17:12 jojoa1997 googleing 17:13 jojoa1997 I made that? 17:13 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=59393 17:13 jojoa1997 That is too good for me to have mad 17:13 jojoa1997 made 17:13 VanessaE yup 17:13 jojoa1997 I couldnt have coded something like that I suck, I cant even remem... I havent coded in near a year I just remembered 17:14 VanessaE you coded it. 17:14 VanessaE your git repo even still exists: https://github.com/jojoa1997/display_blocks 17:14 jojoa1997 no wonder I always remmebered it being easier, I also forgot about overcraftorigins 17:14 Krock jojoa1997, you have 7 mods, 4 of them are in modding general 17:14 Krock magic. 17:14 VanessaE and I still use that mod in dreambuilder. 17:14 jojoa1997 Krock nope 17:15 jojoa1997 Overcraft Origins has lots more mods that I mostly rewrote 17:15 jojoa1997 also I have to update this now D: https://github.com/jojoa1997/MC_TO_MT_CONV 17:15 jojoa1997 Maybe I will just make a python script 17:15 Krock .bat <3 17:16 sfan5 ew .bat 17:16 sfan5 ew cmd.exe 17:16 sfan5 ew .exe 17:16 jojoa1997 ew cat 17:16 sfan5 ew windows 17:16 sfan5 ew microsoft 17:16 * jojoa1997 stabs sfan5 17:16 jojoa1997 say ew to microsoft not windows 17:16 * sfan5 meows at jojoa1997 17:16 Krock I could write a more efficient program in C#, but idk where MC stores all those images 17:16 sfan5 windows sucks 17:16 jojoa1997 wtf 17:16 sfan5 microsoft sucks less than windows 17:16 Krock sfan5, only if you pay for it. 17:17 jojoa1997 the chemistry mod depends on technic 17:17 jojoa1997 but gives an error 17:18 jojoa1997 It has gas condesner 17:18 * sfan5 goes play some Sauerbraten 17:18 casimir Krock: I updated the post about the server and added some recipes there. 17:19 * Krock gives casimir one of his 18 million cookies 17:19 casimir *nom* 17:20 Krock casimir, so I have to find rocks to start enjoy 17:20 Krock (because they're the only hand-digable) 17:20 casimir Yes, but they are quite common. 17:21 jojoa1997 VanessaE I know. Build a block that poops out special vials containing gasses 17:21 Krock hmm. this can result in some ugly stone fields because the dirt above has been dug :3 17:21 jojoa1997 pops 17:21 VanessaE jojoa1997: exactly. 17:21 VanessaE jojoa1997: but the user needs to put stuff into that block 17:22 VanessaE otherwise it's just a source of free materials. 17:22 jojoa1997 I would like to see a way to add modifiers into Minetest like for tooks 17:22 jojoa1997 tools 17:23 jojoa1997 also VanessaE it would need fuel to run and glass bottles put in 17:23 VanessaE that's a start. 17:23 jojoa1997 VanessaE what branch do you get the technic mod from 17:23 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/ 17:23 VanessaE master branch 17:24 jojoa1997 I will just use that for power ;) 17:24 VanessaE that's smart actually. 17:24 VanessaE HV power and glass or steel bottles in, materials out 17:25 jordan4ibanez 1.) Get ps4 17:25 jordan4ibanez 2.) Get xbox 1 17:25 jojoa1997 hmmm 17:26 jordan4ibanez 3.) Lock in room 17:26 jordan4ibanez 4.)... 17:26 jojoa1997 VanessaE is there a wiki for technic 17:26 jojoa1997 or actually 17:26 VanessaE jojoa1997: there's a manual on that link, and an outdated craft guide, http://technic.kosyak.info/ 17:26 jojoa1997 I just need to join your server 17:27 VanessaE that'll help somewhat 17:27 Krock VanessaE, seems like it got updated in the last 5 months - it's now chrome compatible 17:28 * sfan5 meows at jordan4ibanez 17:28 VanessaE Krock: it's outdated in the sense of the recipes and textures being shown are old 17:28 jojoa1997 VanessaE it says access denied wrong password 17:28 jordan4ibanez No sfan5, get off the RUG 17:29 VanessaE jojoa1997: what says? 17:29 jojoa1997 your creative server 17:29 jojoa1997 can you reset it? 17:29 VanessaE jojoa1997: sure 17:29 Krock jordan4ibanez, you forgot to take a 17:29 jordan4ibanez beer 17:29 * sfan5 is a cat 17:29 * sfan5 curls up to jordan4ibanez's lap 17:29 Krock yes. food 17:30 VanessaE jojoa1997: /msg. 17:30 jojoa1997 saw 17:30 * PenguinDad wgets up to jordan4ibanez' lap 17:30 jojoa1997 I am now hacking into my account >:D 17:30 Jordach jojoa1997, i see you 17:30 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: since when are you here? 17:31 Krock jojoa1997, I guess, that's alloud 17:31 Krock *allowed 17:33 VanessaE beat you to it, Jordach 17:33 jordan4ibanez Since yesterday 17:33 VanessaE jojoa1997: you lacked interact because of a server auth reset a long time ago 17:35 davexunit hello again. I have created a patch that adds support for a MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH env var: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1609 17:35 jojoa1997 ah 17:36 * Krock looks happily at his "(1.19% of all posts / 5.02 posts per day)" display 17:36 VanessaE davexunit: mention this in #minetest-dev also 17:36 davexunit VanessaE: oh sure, I forgot about that channel. thanks. 17:39 jojoa1997 what is the centrifuge for? 17:45 jojoa1997 VanessaE now I remember why I stopped playing on your server. It was WAY to laggy 17:46 VanessaE define "laggy" 17:46 jojoa1997 wait not laggy, well 17:46 PenguinDad Lag y? 17:46 jojoa1997 I do an action and it takes 30 seconds for it to start 17:46 VanessaE the centrifuge is used for creating uranium fuel for the nuke reactor. 17:46 jojoa1997 I wish you could just make a nuke reactor without all that concrete 17:46 VanessaE jojoa1997: come on, my servers are not that laggy, 17:47 jojoa1997 VanessaE internet connection 17:47 VanessaE jojoa1997: you can. 17:47 jojoa1997 what? 17:47 jojoa1997 Hpw 17:47 jojoa1997 how 17:47 VanessaE follow the manual. 17:47 jojoa1997 which is where? 17:47 VanessaE on the technic repo 17:47 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/manual.md 17:48 jojoa1997 wow I am still amazed at how much I posted. 2% of all posts and 4.49 posts per fday even though I left for about half a year 17:49 * Jordach isn't a fan of peeling player_textures data from his VRAM 17:50 VanessaE so wget it from my archive :P 17:52 jojoa1997 VanessaE it doesnt say anything about a way to bypass making the outer shell 17:53 VanessaE jojoa1997: you just don't make the outer shell. 17:53 VanessaE but the caveat is higher radiation then 17:53 jojoa1997 I am testing a mod 17:53 jojoa1997 I dont want to constantly remake the reactor 17:54 * sfan5 meows at jojoa1997 17:54 VanessaE jojoa1997: so build it once and don't let it melt down. 17:54 jojoa1997 VanessaE I think an option should be added 17:54 jojoa1997 to allow the bypass of all of that stuff 17:54 VanessaE no dice 17:55 VanessaE build it or use a shitload of solar panels. 17:55 VanessaE the whole point of technic is to be realistic, not to be used as a testing platform for some other mod :) 17:56 jojoa1997 well I also would not build the reactor on my survival world 17:56 jojoa1997 I am lazy ;) 17:56 VanessaE lots of people built them on mine. 17:56 jojoa1997 the testing another mod is an excuse 17:56 jojoa1997 VanessaE I built the first one remember 17:57 jojoa1997 I was going to let other poeple use it but the chuncks became a problem 17:57 VanessaE I don't remember who built the first one :P 17:57 VanessaE that's not a problem anymore 17:57 jojoa1997 what? 17:57 VanessaE technic can send power long distances now 17:57 Krock VanessaE, by forceloading blocks? 17:57 VanessaE Krock: yep 17:57 Krock :/ 17:58 jojoa1997 Does anyone have an OpenSuse server that is running a Minetest server? 17:58 Krock Redcrab 17:58 VanessaE redcrab doesn't count :P 17:58 VanessaE he still runs 0.4.4 for crying out loud :P 17:58 jojoa1997 Redcrab is gone isnt he 17:59 VanessaE not precisely. 17:59 VanessaE the server is still around and redcrab keeps paying the hosting bill 17:59 VanessaE but he isn't around to update it 17:59 VanessaE idk why 18:00 jojoa1997 bbl 18:01 Krock Always look up on everybody unless they hinder you getting down. 18:02 Krock :) 18:03 PenguinDad Krock: ~someone isn't everybody 18:03 Krock PenguinDad, then tell me the correct !"someone" 18:04 Krock ¨help 18:05 * Krock tried to access HLuaBot 18:05 Krock HLuaBot: 18:05 PenguinDad Krock: nobody 18:05 PenguinDad ''help 18:05 HLuaBot Commands: reload, load, unload, plugins, op, deop, devoice, voice, join, part, help, uptime, echo, raw, eval, quit, more, ping, shutdown, config, networks, connect, disconnect, tell -- Use 'help ' to get help with a specific command. 18:05 VanessaE not ¨ 18:05 VanessaE '' 18:05 Krock almost. 18:05 Krock ''give 18:05 HLuaBot Unknown command "give". Try "help". 18:05 * Krock gives jojoa1997 Always look up on nobody unless they hinder you getting down. 18:06 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c)) for c in "someone") 18:06 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000) 18:06 Krock !rev someone 18:06 MinetestBot enoemos 18:06 sfan5 uh oh 18:06 PenguinDad ''help echo 18:06 HLuaBot Usage: echo -- Say something 18:06 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xff) for c in "someone") 18:06 MinetestBot '\x8c\x90\x92\x9a\x90\x91\x9a' 18:06 jojoa1997 Krock ? 18:06 Krock lel 18:06 sfan5 Krock: '\x8c\x90\x92\x9a\x90\x91\x9a' 18:06 Krock jojoa1997, your exit message 18:06 jojoa1997 yeah 18:07 Krock I flipped it 18:07 jojoa1997 what did I set it to again? 18:07 VanessaE [09-06 14:01] * jojoa1997 has quit (Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.) 18:07 Krock - jojoa1997 quit (Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.) 18:07 PenguinDad !c (ord('A'), ord('a')) 18:07 MinetestBot (65, 97) 18:07 VanessaE ninja'd :) 18:07 Krock :( 18:07 jojoa1997 yeah 18:07 jojoa1997 and it is true 18:07 jojoa1997 not like the lies Krock was preaching 18:08 jojoa1997 ;) 18:08 Krock !c 'LOL'.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "someone") 18:08 MinetestBot 'ﾌLOLﾐLOLﾒLOLﾚLOLﾐLOLﾑLOLﾚ' 18:08 Krock trololo 18:08 jojoa1997 Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up, or you are taller than them! 18:08 PenguinDad SHOUTING SAVES BANDWITH! :D 18:08 Krock PenguinDad, mhm? 18:08 PenguinDad !c (ord('A'), ord('a')) 18:08 MinetestBot (65, 97) 18:08 PenguinDad ^ Krock 18:08 jojoa1997 Cause my friend is shorter than me and I am always looking down , when I am looking at her 18:08 jojoa1997 It sucks being tall 18:09 Krock OKAY BUT SHOUTING IS NOT VERY NICE 18:09 Krock It's not like chat eats too much bandwith 18:09 sfan5 Krock: cats eat bandwidth 18:09 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "someone") 18:09 MinetestBot 'ﾌﾐﾒﾚﾐﾑﾚ' 18:09 sfan5 sounds good 18:09 sfan5 thats the inverse of "someone" 18:10 Krock sfan5, yeah. they alsoeat the middle line of the roads, in 2m - distances 18:10 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.") 18:10 MinetestBot 'ﾷﾚﾓﾓﾐￓ\uffdfﾶ\uffd8ﾒ\uffdfﾌﾙﾞﾑￊ\uffdfﾞﾑﾛ\uffdfﾶ\uffd8ﾒ\uffdfﾞ\uffdfﾜﾞﾋ\uffd1' 18:10 Krock > \uffdf 18:11 PenguinDad !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffffff) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.") 18:11 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000) 18:11 PenguinDad :( 18:11 * VanessaE waits for the inevitable bot segfault 18:11 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0x110000) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.") 18:11 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000) 18:11 sfan5 uh 18:12 Krock !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0x10FFFF) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.") 18:12 MinetestBot '\U0010ffb7\U0010ff9a\U0010ff93\U0010ff93\U0010ff90\U0010ffd3\U0010ffdf\U0010ffb6\U0010ffd8\U0010ff92\U0010ffdf\U0010ff8c\U0010ff99\U0010ff9e\U0010ff91\U0010ffca\U0010ffdf\U0010ff9e\U0010ff91\U0010ff9b\U0010ffdf\U0010ffb6\U0010ffd8\U0010ff92\U0010ffdf\U0010ff9e\U0010ffdf\U0010ff9c\U0010ff9e\U0010ff8b\U0010ffd1' 18:12 sfan5 ah 18:12 Krock bingo. 18:12 jojoa1997 what? 18:12 jojoa1997 It says packages are not found 18:12 jojoa1997 I cant build a server? 18:12 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~(ord(c) & 0xffff)) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.") 18:12 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000) 18:12 VanessaE jojoa1997: what packages? 18:12 jojoa1997 um 18:12 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "nobody") 18:12 MinetestBot 'ﾑﾐﾝﾐﾛﾆ' 18:12 Krock sfan5, you said a ")" too much 18:12 jojoa1997 zypper install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev 18:13 Krock where the error came 18:13 sfan5 jojoa1997: opensuse will not have the same package names as debian 18:13 jojoa1997 well then what packages! 18:13 Krock google it. 18:13 jojoa1997 grrrr no way! 18:13 sfan5 search there http://software.opensuse.org/ 18:13 sfan5 (maybe) 18:14 * Krock wonders.... 18:14 * PenguinDad throws Muminmironi at sfan5 :P 18:14 jojoa1997 Anyone got a free server they would like to donate! 18:14 Krock !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) | 0x10FFFF) for c in "nobody") 18:14 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000) 18:14 jojoa1997 jk 18:17 * sfan5 throws Fumimeremimure at PenguinDad :p 18:18 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "anybody") 18:18 MinetestBot 'ﾞﾑﾆﾝﾐﾛﾆ' 18:19 jojoa1997 :O https://www.evolvehq.com/games/3388 18:20 jojoa1997 they actually added it 18:22 jojoa1997 I wonder is there any way to host a Minetest server without port forewarding 18:22 VanessaE depends on your network setup 18:22 VanessaE I never had to port-forward from my box. 18:23 Jordach uPNP is the only way of doing it at home 18:23 VanessaE because I didn't use a router 18:23 jojoa1997 WPA2 18:23 jojoa1997 uPNP? 18:23 Krock ^insecure 18:23 VanessaE Jordach: not true. 18:23 jojoa1997 D: 18:23 Krock universal plug n' play 18:23 VanessaE just stop putting a router on every damn home network if it isn't truly needed 18:23 Jordach VanessaE, the router will open them for the machine for the time required 18:23 jojoa1997 VanessaE it is needed in my home 18:24 Jordach VanessaE, most ISP modem / DSL / ADSL connection points (the Wi-Fail box) act also as a router 18:24 VanessaE Jordach: and that feature can be turned off in the modem, too 18:25 * VanessaE shrugs 18:25 PenguinDad Krock: if you are using a totally outdated of your os then it surely is insecure 18:25 PenguinDad + version 18:26 Krock PenguinDad, "As a result, some UPnP devices ship with UPnP turned off by default as a security measure." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play -> Problems with UPnP 18:27 jojoa1997 and technic needs pipeworks! 18:27 f-a just downloaded compiled minetest, good job guys 18:27 jojoa1997 another mod! 18:27 Krock f-a, you'll find the developers in #minetest-dev 18:27 f-a thanks Krock 18:28 f-a what do you guys play? 18:28 f-a I mean, vanilla? 18:28 Krock omg you have a type speed of 100 km/h 18:28 f-a :P 18:28 Krock Today I ade vanilla (ice cream) and played minetest. 18:28 PenguinDad Krock: did you know that every soft- and hardware is potentially insecure? :p 18:28 Krock *ate 18:29 Krock PenguinDad, yeah. even toasters could stand and kill all people on the earth by heating 18:29 jojoa1997 what does initlib mean? 18:29 jojoa1997 when it says it in depends 18:29 Krock possible it's the translation mod? 18:30 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4929 18:30 VanessaE jojoa1997: if it has a ? mark, ignore it. 18:30 VanessaE you don't NEED that mod. 18:30 jojoa1997 kk 18:30 VanessaE ? means optional. 18:30 jojoa1997 VanessaE where is my npc mod on your server? 18:31 VanessaE deleted. 18:31 jojoa1997 how come i forogt 18:31 VanessaE it stopped working long ago 18:31 VanessaE you weren't around to fix it 18:31 VanessaE so I removed it 18:31 jojoa1997 ah 18:31 jojoa1997 oh yeah 18:31 jojoa1997 i was around but i didnt know how 18:31 jojoa1997 then it was fixed and then something happened and i didnt really care anymore 18:31 VanessaE there is a trader NPC mod on Survival, by Sokomine 18:31 jojoa1997 I will wait till the mob api to update it 18:32 VanessaE and Creative and Survival have mummies in the desert pyramids 18:32 jojoa1997 his isnt as sporatic as mine 18:32 VanessaE what mob api? 18:32 VanessaE there isn't one 18:32 VanessaE probably never will be 18:32 jojoa1997 ...what? 18:32 VanessaE hers* 18:32 Krock http://i.imgur.com/nJoWUuk.gif 18:33 jojoa1997 VanessaE Minetest really needs a MobAPI 18:33 jojoa1997 being coded in C++ to make it faster 18:33 VanessaE jojoa1997: it needs a LOT of things, but right now what it needs mods are bug fixes and performance improvements. RealBadAngel is working on some of that 18:33 jojoa1997 I know 18:34 VanessaE a MOB API will probably not happen for a VERY long time and if it does, it will never be right because it will not be client-side like the devs know it needs to be 18:34 jojoa1997 but the improvements will never stop 18:34 VanessaE so it'll never be any good. 18:34 VanessaE s/needs mods/needs most/ 18:34 f-a mhhh 18:34 jojoa1997 meh 18:34 Krock jojoa1997, the API already exists - but only in Lua 18:34 f-a so, to enable mobs, I do have to download a mob, right? 18:34 jojoa1997 where 18:34 jojoa1997 in another mod? 18:35 jojoa1997 no thank you 18:35 VanessaE f-a: you have to download a mod such as MOBF, Calinou's fork of Simple MOBs, or similar 18:35 jojoa1997 I really dont like installing tons of mods, That is why I pushed so hard to add stuff to default game before 18:35 f-a VanessaE: thanks for the tip. Any particular one you suggest? 18:35 VanessaE f-a: one of those two in particular. 18:36 jojoa1997 I would suggest Mobf if your computer can handle it 18:36 f-a okie-dokie 18:36 VanessaE mobf: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629 18:36 VanessaE simple mobs: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9656 18:37 VanessaE creatures: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9240 18:37 VanessaE those are the three most popular ones. 18:38 VanessaE jojoa1997: MOBF is no longer a problem with lag/CPU usage. sapier has fixed all of the issues it was thought to have. 18:39 Krock http://goo.gl/8kfBGx 18:40 Krock mhm a Linux user clicked it with the chrome browser 18:40 PenguinDad That design hurts my eyes :'( 18:40 VanessaE chromium. 18:40 Krock I don't like that shortener. too insecure 18:41 Jordach party like 1997 baby 18:41 VanessaE chrome, indeed. as if. 18:41 sfan5 me too 18:41 sfan5 linux & chromium 18:42 Krock http://goo.gl/#analytics/goo.gl/8kfBGx/all_time 18:42 Krock they simply ignore the privacy 18:42 VanessaE FAIL 18:43 sfan5 Krock: we can't see your statistics 18:43 Krock sfan5, mhm okay 18:43 * Jordach can 18:43 jojoa1997 How come the technic mod is messed up 18:43 * PenguinDad can too 18:43 VanessaE jojoa1997: works fine for me. 18:43 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/6elzCkQyDinM.png 18:44 jojoa1997 VanessaE you have a different init 18:44 Krock jojoa1997, it worked for me, last time I checked 18:44 VanessaE jojoa1997: I keep up-to-date with technic, though my current pull itsn't. 18:44 VanessaE isn't* 18:44 VanessaE no, strike that 18:44 jojoa1997 the one from the github link VanessaE gave me the init in technic/technic is the same as technic/technic/machines 18:44 VanessaE it should be up-to-date. 18:44 jojoa1997 that is the problem 18:45 VanessaE jojoa1997: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic is the repository for technic. 18:45 VanessaE it's what I use. 18:45 Krock jojoa1997, any error log? 18:45 jojoa1997 or what i downloaded didnt have that 18:46 jojoa1997 it is fine 18:46 VanessaE jojoa1997: just clone the repository and use it directly. 18:46 jojoa1997 i just copied it from dreambuilder 18:47 VanessaE dreambuilder's technic might be a little bit outdated 18:47 VanessaE also some components therein are disabled 18:47 VanessaE e.g. frames 18:48 jojoa1997 whatevs 18:49 Krock Two eyes for a face, two tooth for spongebob, two evil for nether 18:49 VanessaE ... 18:49 Krock ^^ 18:49 PenguinDad vv 18:50 VanessaE >> 18:50 Krock << 18:50 VanessaE ¯| ¯| 18:51 PenguinDad VanessaE: ¬ ¬ 18:53 VanessaE ┌┌ 19:03 PenguinDad TIL you can set multiple settings with one minetest.setting_set call 19:07 * Krock is glad to see xyz active in minetest stuff again 19:09 PenguinDad Krock: xyz isn't really working on minetest 19:09 garfonzo Hello 19:10 Krock PenguinDad, but at least active in the github repo 19:10 Krock hi garfonzo 19:12 garfonzo So is this just a general chat room for Minetest? I've poked around the Minetest site, tried out the game a bit, but thought I'd say "hello". 19:12 garfonzo or is there a specific purpose to this chat room? 19:12 Krock uhm. general chatting room 19:12 Krock for core developement stuff, visit #minetest-dev 19:13 garfonzo Ya, I have been watching that room a bit. 19:13 garfonzo Ah, I see. Krock you associated with Minetest in any way, or just another player/user? 19:13 * Krock is still searching a good topic to answer to 19:14 Krock garfonzo, I'm modder and sometimes I create small pull requests for the engine 19:14 Krock but over all - adverage 19:14 Krock -d 19:16 garfonzo @Krock Cool. I'm a software dev irl and have been a bit curious about the future of MineCRAFT servers, given what's unfolding. I imagine indie games, such as Minetest, might see an influx of players.... maybe 19:16 Krock oh mah gawd 19:16 garfonzo What? 19:16 Krock splitsplat 19:17 VanessaE Krock: dammit, it's splat split! :) 19:17 PenguinDad Krock: *splatsplit 19:17 Krock VanessaE, nope nope nope nope 19:17 Krock PenguinDad ^ 19:17 VanessaE see? now you're outvoted ;) 19:18 Krock I count as 3 people cuz.. uhm.. just so. because I do. 19:18 garfonzo So do you folks all play Minetest regularly? Do you play on servers or run servers with Minetest? 19:18 * Krock runs a server and ruins testing servers 19:18 garfonzo lol -- not sure if that's a spelling mistake, or inentional. You RUIN test servers, or run them? 19:18 VanessaE I am a modder, very small contributions to core, and I run several servers. 19:19 VanessaE and I drive people crazy here. 19:19 garfonzo Haha, right on 19:19 Krock garfonzo, you can catch it both ways, without the 'i' and with.. both will be correct 19:19 garfonzo lol 19:20 garfonzo Any idea how big the player base is for Minetest? Are there quite a large community, or is it still in its infancy? 19:20 Krock Forums say: Total members 10703 19:20 VanessaE garfonzo: somewhere in the low to mid thousands, I would guess 19:20 VanessaE (active players that is) 19:20 VanessaE on the servers on the public list, there are currently 258. 19:20 Krock I guess the daily minetest players to 200 19:20 garfonzo That's decent 19:21 Krock better decent than spammy 24/7 19:21 VanessaE quite 19:21 VanessaE !server test 19:21 MinetestBot VanessaE: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 60/78, 62/75 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 48ms 19:21 garfonzo ya, true 19:21 VanessaE O_o 19:22 VanessaE o-O 19:22 VanessaE wtf is he doing that so many like? 19:22 Krock VanessaE, you just called a ruined server. many guests. 19:22 VanessaE the map is all stone! 19:22 garfonzo sweet, do I need anything special to hop on that server VanessaE? Or can I just fire up the client and join? 19:22 VanessaE garfonzo: I guess just...join 19:22 VanessaE I've only seen a screenshot of it like, once 19:22 VanessaE try mine instead :) 19:23 VanessaE !server Vanilla 19:23 MinetestBot VanessaE: VanessaE's mostly-vanilla minetest_game server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30005 | Clients: 0/50, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 224ms 19:23 T4im hmm, any idea of how many daily unique players? 19:23 Jordach mtzeno.com is way better 19:23 Jordach 19:23 * T4im wonders if anyone is logging/analyzing playerflow 19:23 Krock !server Krock 19:23 MinetestBot Krock: Krock's Ultimative Platform | minetest.ntdll.net | Clients: 5/25, 5/13 | Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base | Ping: 387ms 19:23 VanessaE T4im: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html 19:23 Krock ^ best non-24/7 server evaah 19:23 T4im oh, thanks :D 19:23 VanessaE you mean like that? 19:24 T4im yes 19:24 VanessaE that's just my servers though 19:24 T4im ah, wait.. thats just number of players 19:24 T4im meant something like this: http://tremulous.net/graphs/ 19:24 T4im last chart 19:25 garfonzo VanessaE: It says I need a password? 19:25 T4im gives a really good look on the lifetime of the community of an open source game 19:25 VanessaE garfonzo: make one up and remember it 19:25 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5KRHXEUt4&feature=youtu.be 19:25 T4im seeing where in that lifetime minetest might be right now 19:25 garfonzo done deal... 19:25 Krock garfonzo, each server has its password and user list 19:26 VanessaE RealBadAngel: slow it down and make it less dark at the darkest moments. Looks good otherwise 19:26 Krock means, you have have X diffrent names (where X is the number of servers) 19:26 VanessaE (at least, in the daytime it gets too dark) 19:28 VanessaE T4im: never really occurred to me to track unique users. difficult. 19:28 T4im well, you can make some assumptions based on nickname.. sure thats not 100% accurate, but it might come close 19:28 garfonzo Krock: Interesting, so you can multiple characters, one for each server 19:29 * PenguinDad throws Unvanquished at T4im 19:29 Krock garfonzo, on some servers you can have infinite usernames... 19:29 Krock shouldn't be a suggestion. 19:29 * T4im throws it back at PenguinDad 19:29 * PenguinDad plays it 19:29 * T4im was developer in it 19:30 RealBadAngel VanessaE, it has to go that dark, otherwise it would be almost invisible on bright textures 19:31 T4im PenguinDad: did they finally settle on a gameplay concept by now? 19:34 PenguinDad Gameplay concept? 19:35 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ok 19:36 T4im well.. in the beginning it was basicly the tremulous concept, but there was always the wish for a own gameconcept... noone really had one that was thought thorugh, but it was still developed blindly towards 'something' 19:37 T4im and the main reason, that i left there at some point 19:38 VanessaE now a days there are multiple subgames 19:39 VanessaE each with its own goals 19:40 PenguinDad T4im: I have no idea if they developed a gameplay concept till now :/ 19:42 T4im hm 19:45 T4im well currently theres noone playing it on the servers.. while minetest might have a relativly small community, it's considerably more healthy 19:46 T4im which is a good thing \o/ 19:48 raffahacks Small communities are ALWAYS better than big ones 19:48 raffahacks Quite small i mean 19:49 raffahacks For example this community is much more friendly than minecraft one 19:50 * Krock doesn't know MCommunity 19:51 garfonzo @raffahacks I think it depends on the server 19:51 raffahacks I mean there are lots of stupid unfriendly gamers if the community is too big... And they dominate the scene 19:52 T4im heared that a lot about minecraft.. but i cant say that its always the case 19:52 garfonzo meh, I' not sure about that. With good moderators, a large community can be a great experience 19:52 garfonzo T4im: agreed 19:53 raffahacks In Italy we say "a few, but wise, people" 19:53 garfonzo it certainly CAN be the case, but not always 19:53 raffahacks Well, I like minecraft too, but it's too low level 19:54 garfonzo raffahacks: what do you mean too low level? 19:54 T4im though there seems to be a correlation between size of community with the game concept.. i mean minetest might not have a finished polished game concept, but a good base that also allows servers to provide their own... that's worth a lot.. 19:56 raffahacks Nothing special, I just find minetest community much better because it's made of coders, geeks in positive sense and adults 19:56 raffahacks With adults i mean more evoluted people 19:56 garfonzo ya those are good attributes in a community 19:57 raffahacks I am for example 15, but i don't like talking with friends of my age much 19:58 raffahacks Many of my friends are over 40 electronics or computer experts 19:59 raffahacks It's much easier and useful to talk with them :) 20:00 garfonzo Is there a "Mission Statement" somewhere on website for Minetest? I'm curious what the goal of the project is. 20:01 raffahacks Maybe just to build an indie mc clone :p 20:01 Krock garfonzo, other question: what's the target of MC? 20:01 VanessaE garfonzo: yes, one moment. 20:01 Krock (except of earning money) 20:01 VanessaE garfonzo: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9177 20:02 garfonzo Krock: that's a good point. Really, it's quite open ended 20:02 VanessaE garfonzo: read the c55.me link contained in that post, first, then read that post. 20:02 raffahacks Krock: creating an infiniminer clone to become rich 20:02 raffahacks Must go bye :) 20:03 * PenguinDad hugs Wikipedia 20:06 garfonzo VanessaE: Thanks for the links, reading them now 20:06 * T4im too, thanks 20:08 Krock I love goal #3