Time  Nick               Message
00:31 MinetestBot        OldCoder: 08-22 23:06 UTC <Mikeonline> option explicit
00:33 OldCoder           Hi
00:34 Chinchow           Howdy
00:42 Chinchow           Does anyone here have experience with entities?
00:57 blaise             hrmm
01:00 blaise             !up midnightsystems.net
01:00 MinetestBot        midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (487ms)
01:01 zat                I once saw someone made a map of his world
01:01 zat                is there a tool for that
01:01 VanessaE           of course
01:01 VanessaE           https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper
01:02 VanessaE           there's a python version that comes with the engine.  pretend it doesn't exist.
01:02 blaise             VanessaE: you have children?
01:02 VanessaE           use this instead.
01:02 VanessaE           blaise: no.
01:02 blaise             oh.
01:02 VanessaE           two cats and a dog, that's all
01:02 blaise             my son is refusing to eat... I'm kinda tripped out about it
01:02 zat                uh?
01:02 VanessaE           blaise: let him refuse.
01:02 VanessaE           basic psychology
01:03 VanessaE           if he won't eatm don't you eat either -- in front of him
01:03 VanessaE           -m
01:03 blaise             everything was fine, it was time for his bottle.. and he took like 3 sips from it and then started asperating on his milk
01:03 VanessaE           oh you didn't say he was bottle age
01:03 VanessaE           that's time to call a doctor I think
01:03 blaise             :(
01:03 VanessaE           however NEVER EVER force him to eat
01:04 VanessaE           the child will tell YOU when he's had enough
01:04 blaise             he'll be 4 months on the 5th of next month
01:04 VanessaE           NEVER force him to "clean his plate" (or finish his bottle in this case)
01:04 VanessaE           you need to see a doctor right away
01:04 blaise             k
01:05 VanessaE           good luck with him, hope he's okay
01:05 VanessaE           he might just have a sour stomach or the milk may be too hot
01:05 blaise             he seems fine, he's in his swing..
01:05 VanessaE           when was the last time he ate?
01:06 blaise             I checked the milk before I gave it to him.. he ate around 4pm, he was getting a little fussy, and started saying "Hungy! Hungy!" so I tried at 7:30ish..
01:06 blaise             but it was a no go..
01:06 VanessaE           hrm
01:06 blaise             yeah...
01:07 VanessaE           that's a long time to go for his age
01:07 VanessaE           (4 months and he can say "hungry" in baby talk already?)
01:07 zat                uhm I see minetestmapper wont draw custom nodes
01:07 zat                nodes it doesn't know about
01:07 VanessaE           zat:  colors.txt
01:07 VanessaE           add the required nodes there.
01:07 blaise             we moved him up from 4 ounces to 5 around 2.5 months..
01:08 blaise             and a bit ago he started wanting more..
01:08 blaise             but he feeds every 4 hours
01:08 VanessaE           zat: see for example, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldmaps/
01:08 VanessaE           those maps were generated using the mapper I pointed you to, with a custom colors.txt
01:09 zat                aaaaaahhh it is colors lol
01:09 VanessaE           blaise: I'm going by memory but I seem to remember 2-3 hours being a bit more common for that age
01:09 VanessaE           blaise: nevertheless, get him to a doctor for a checkup, make sure nothing's awry
01:21 zat                VanessaE: and a more tricky one... is there a way to force the game generate map for a given cube?
01:21 VanessaE           zat: not specifically but there is a mod that will make your player "explore" an area
01:21 zat                uh?
01:21 VanessaE           which will lead to more or less the same effect
01:21 zat                whats the mod?
01:21 VanessaE           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2950
01:22 zat                thx lol
01:33 zat                I am missing the smooth biome transition of v6 :(
01:33 VanessaE           biomeblend it's called
01:33 VanessaE           maybe it requires a mapgen flag?
01:35 zat                VanessaE: at least it exists for v6 only: v6_biome_blend
01:35 zat                ...apparently
03:46 zat1               uh
03:47 zat                v7 is skipping some blocks when mapgenning
03:59 zat                its like the appearance of a decoration will stop a block from generating
03:59 zat                someone experienced this already?
04:01 LazyJ              Sorry, no. I've not used mapgen v7.
04:07 LazyJ              Are you using any other mods with mg v7?
04:11 LazyJ              Does the terminal report any errors?
04:11 LazyJ              Are you using minetest_game or a sub-game?
04:12 LazyJ              Another idea would be to make a copy of the world as a backup, then run it without any extra mods that you installed.
04:12 LazyJ              Then work your way through the mods by process of elimination to find the one that may be causing the problem.
04:13 LazyJ              That's about all I can think of to try atm.
04:13 zat                LazyJ: I am using just a mod I am developing lol
04:13 zat                but it just register decorations
04:14 LazyJ              Must it be mapgen v7?  Would v6 or singlenode accomplish the task?
04:15 LazyJ              From what I've read, mapgen v7 may be scrapped or completely re-written.
04:16 zat                Its v7 decorations
04:16 zat                I just confirmed it
04:16 LazyJ              Ah.
04:17 LazyJ              Have you looked at the other mapgen v7 mods, that add to the landscape, for references and study?
04:17 LazyJ              If adding to the barren stone landscape is what you mean by "decoration".
04:23 zat                I don't really know what you mean
04:23 zat                I am just registering decorations from schematic files.
04:24 LazyJ              That's something I've never tried before. Yup. Out of my league on this one.
04:26 zat                uh yes
04:42 MinetestBot        GIT: Zeno- commited to minetest/minetest: Fix seg fault if popping from empty stack (L-system trees) f33d316 2014-08-23T06:40:27+02:00 http://git.io/dCZSNg
06:51 Krock              hai.
07:05 blaise             !server MidnightSystems
07:05 MinetestBot        blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 1/50, 1/5 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 346ms
07:29 CabalJohnson       VanessaE: you here?
07:50 Krock              oh no. it's clouded again
07:58 Luke               Hi vanessa
07:59 * Krock            gives lukie /whois
07:59 lukie              !eightball am I a wizard
07:59 lukie              ?
08:00 Krock              !nineballs lol balls
08:00 lukie              What does /Whois do
08:00 * Krock            gives lukie isis.inchra.net #minetest
08:00 lukie              Hahahahaha
08:00 lukie              !!!!
08:01 lukie              Krock your server is the second best I like
08:01 Krock              yay! john lennon's murderer must rest at the police
08:01 harry_potter       Hehehe
08:02 harry_potter       YES IT WILL KROCK JOIN THE ORDER OF phonixe
08:02 Hairy_Powder       wut u say
08:03 CWz                Hhehehe
08:04 CWz                ;op
08:04 CWz                ;deop
08:05 CWz                Help
08:43 Megaf              Hi?
08:44 PenguinDad         Hello Megaf
08:45 Megaf              Im going to abandon minetest once again
08:45 Megaf              this bloody buggy heck
08:45 Megaf              now my server wont even start after a git pull https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1556#issuecomment-53146903
08:46 Megaf              and I cant join #minetest-dev
08:49 CWz                founda minetest port for ouya https://www.ouya.tv/game/Minetest/
08:56 Krock              > Version: 0.4.10.2
08:56 MinetestBot        Calinou: 08-23 00:04 UTC <sfan5> ???
09:00 Calinou            PROFIT
09:00 CabalJohnson       heh
09:14 LazyJ              Megaf, we've had a more than a few crashes caused by MoreBlocks' saw but nothing that was a C++ exception.
09:14 LazyJ              Is this from the *latest* Github update?
09:15 Megaf              LazyJ: server was running for several hours, then it crashed, then I backed it up and updated it, then it began to crash on start up
09:15 Megaf              http://paste.debian.net/117058/
09:15 PenguinDad         Megaf: Does this also happen with a fresh build and only minetest_game?
09:17 Calinou            if you use LuaJIT, the errors will make less sense
09:20 LazyJ              Have you retried using a release prior to 10 days ago?
09:26 Megaf              PenguinDad: Im not sure
09:26 Megaf              Calinou: I am
09:27 Megaf              from LuaJIT repo
09:33 PenguinDad         Also I'm not too sure how good luajit's arm support is :/
09:35 Megaf              pretty good
09:35 Megaf              till now all problems were caused by bugs in minetest code
09:37 Megaf              Im going to compile it on x86 just to rule out arch issues
10:19 Krock              !up minetest.ntdll.net
10:19 MinetestBot        minetest.ntdll.net:30000 is up (104ms)
10:20 reactor            хщщщщщ
10:21 PenguinDad         !server Ultimative
10:21 MinetestBot        PenguinDad: Krock's Ultimative Platform | minetest.ntdll.net | Clients: 2/25, 2/3 | Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base | Ping: 487ms
10:21 Krock              *3/25
10:22 reactor            !server Цltimаtive
10:22 MinetestBot        reactor: No results
10:22 reactor            :(
11:20 Megaf              !server Megaf
11:20 MinetestBot        Megaf: No results
11:22 Krock              !server MinetestBot
11:22 MinetestBot        Krock: No results
11:24 reactor            !цp
11:24 Krock              ANyone can help me? I just punched the TNT and it destroyed itself. how can I repair this bug?
11:30 Krock              http://www.leekspin.com/
11:31 twoelk             booom . . . . we have to go back in time, Baby, ohhh baby
11:33 twoelk             Krock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYxl1UYJdEQ&list=TLXNPzNRroLcwC8XyIn25Kg1tX72fIzzMx
11:42 basilgohar         Are there any mods or tools that will automatically explore the world and cause a larger map to be generated?
11:46 twoelk             yes
11:47 basilgohar         twoelk: May I please know the name of such a tool and/or where to find it? :)
11:48 twoelk             am searching#
11:48 jp__               What else ? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ie0lNORKJo5s.jpg
11:48 basilgohar         I tried to search as well but couldn't figure-out the right keywords
11:49 twoelk             https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2950
11:49 Krock              twoelk, yeah. adt song.
11:50 * GhostDoge        pokes PenguinDad
11:51 basilgohar         Thanks, twoelk!
12:08 twoelk             jp__: you could revive/extend/redo some more of this mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5939
12:08 twoelk             my restaurant looks so empty
12:08 * PenguinDad       waits for the timeout
12:09 reactor            The cutting board looks creepy.
12:10 reactor            BLood?
12:10 reactor            s/L/l/
12:10 twoelk             I just have to find somewhere to place that coffee machine now :-)
12:13 jp__               twoelk: I could, but his CC license is annoying
12:13 * Krock            doens't like SWAP-like stuff
12:15 PenguinDad         Krock: then don't create a partition for swap :P
12:19 twoelk             jp__:  yeah, I think both licenses aren't that usefull for a mt project and have kept VE from including it in homedecor if I remember correctly, that's why I included a"redo"
12:19 PenguinDad         What's so bad about CC-BY-SA?
12:20 Megaf              !server Megaf
12:20 MinetestBot        Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/8, 2/3 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 801ms
12:21 twoelk             It's great by itself but apita on community projects
12:21 PenguinDad         The GPL licensed code is a bigger problem imo
12:22 twoelk             true
12:23 PenguinDad         because textures can be redone quite easily
12:25 Megaf              is there any way to use python mods in minetest?
12:25 twoelk             there is hardly any code in that mod though. Not much more than could be done with the Mod-Maker :-)
12:26 PenguinDad         Megaf: You could add a python api but I'm not sure if it's worth the effort
12:26 Megaf              python is faster for numeric stuff
12:26 Megaf              it would be cool for microcontrollers and mesecons maybe
12:27 Megaf              PenguinDad: look this https://labix.org/lunatic-python
12:42 Megaf              This is pretty neat too http://voxeljs.com/
12:44 reactor            javascript
12:44 reactor            :(
12:44 reactor            They even put an OS in javascript, because there is not enough javascript.
12:44 reactor            After that, people say the world ain't crazy.
12:45 PenguinDad         We need a javascript to javascript transcompiler!
12:56 SylvieLorxu        PenguinDad: http://eleks.github.io/js2js/
12:57 LemonLake          sfan5: Dream vision reminds me alot of the sakurasou ed
12:57 LemonLake          like, a lot
12:57 PenguinDad         rofl
12:58 LemonLake          s/ed/op/
13:00 * sfan5            throws angles at LemonLake
13:00 LemonLake          angles?
13:01 sfan5              like 30°, 28.3°, 90°, 179.98°
13:01 LemonLake          why?
13:01 sfan5              why not? :3
13:01 LemonLake          ...
13:03 * sfan5            meows at LemonLake
13:06 PenguinDad         "No JavaScript developers were harmed during its implementation" xD
13:20 CabalJohnson       hi
13:21 * CabalJohnson     glares at LemonLake
13:21 LemonLake          Excuse me?
13:22 CaveJohnson        meant to use this nick ;-;
13:22 Krock              CaveJohnson, do you have mudflow enabled? caves without mudflow look ugly
13:23 PenguinDad         Eww mudflow
13:38 EvergreenTree      PenguinDad: https://soundcloud.com/blend1/atom
13:38 EvergreenTree      /s/blend1/volant
13:47 exio4              hi \o
13:47 Krock              o/
13:47 exio4              how is it going wild minetesters?
13:50 LemonLake          persistence
13:52 LemonLake          oh my
13:52 LemonLake          someone made a jvm that runs in lua that runs in java
13:52 LemonLake          im no longer existing on this planet
13:53 RealBadAngel       hehehe
13:54 Krock              yummy crisps
14:07 Drae               Waz up
14:08 PenguinDad         The forums?
14:08 Drae               Nuttinz up :/
14:09 Krock              !up minetest.ntdll.net
14:09 MinetestBot        minetest.ntdll.net:30000 is up (266ms)
14:09 Krock              Drae ^
14:10 Krock              daz up
14:10 Drae               I at my friends house so I figured as long as he's asleep I could stay here.
14:11 Krock              re-phrase pls
14:11 Drae               XD Krock
14:12 Drae               I gtg cya laters
14:12 sfan5              o.O
14:12 * sfan5            meows at exio4
14:12 * PenguinDad       melbourne bounces away :D
14:19 Sokomine           hi
14:19 * Sokomine         looks around if any mapgen experts are present
14:19 * sfan5            not me
14:19 Sokomine           sfan5: no, but you do other great things :-) hope that map-saving function of yours will get integtrated into mt
14:21 Sokomine           mostly...i want to know if mapchunks (those 80x80x80 nodes things) get created individually or in packages?
14:21 EvergreenTree      Hey PenguinDad: https://soundcloud.com/blend1/atom
14:22 PenguinDad         Nice track
14:36 Jordach            i might have accidentially mastered freeform modeling withb edit mode
14:36 Jordach            https://cdn.mediacru.sh/pny9I5fn0vpg.png
14:37 LemonLake          ouch
14:37 LemonLake          dem polys tho
14:37 Jordach            subsurf = amazeballs
14:39 sfan5              dat car
14:40 Jordach            may have landed a job ;)
14:51 * HomelessHedgehog is now at the keyboard
14:55 Krock              hmmmm, it looks like Sokomine needs you
14:58 AndChat-235809     test_android
14:58 Krock              antitest
14:58 Krock              test failed.
15:00 reactor            Brand new! It even says "test" on the wall!
15:09 ecutruin           Oh guys, https://twitter.com/ecutruin/status/503023271571652608 - here's what I've been working on the last week.
15:11 sfan5              !tw https://twitter.com/ecutruin/status/503023271571652608
15:11 MinetestBot        I am still alive.  Here's another progress update on the voxel renderer tutorial in #unity3d. pic.twitter.com/2LHL6oXiSY (@ecutruin)
15:12 ecutruin           Heh, sfan5, its nothing "amazing" but its a start.
15:12 sfan5              mhm
15:12 sfan5              looks like nodes
15:12 sfan5              looks interesting
15:14 ecutruin           Its a custom renderer from a tutorial I'm taking for Unity3D.  My end goal is a smallish skyblock'esk game.
15:15 ecutruin           Since MT and MC both don't quite fit for what I want to make, I just started learning what I need to make my own.
15:15 * ecutruin         snickers.
15:19 ecutruin           Anyways just wanted to show ya guys what I'm up to.  Going back downstairs while I eat and watch a show.
15:22 * Krock            gives sfan5 a wet fishy
15:22 sfan5              eww
15:23 * PenguinDad       slaps Krock with a <'((((—<
15:24 * Krock            slaps PenguinDad with a >-))))°>
15:30 * PenguinDad       noms a cookie http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/344/e/e/nomnompingu_by_elektroll-d6xfv3y.png
15:48 Krock              (00|<!35
15:49 Calinou            00835808085.
16:03 CaveJohnson        bugger
16:03 CaveJohnson        forgot my password to VanessaE's creative server
16:03 Jordach            CaveJohnson, i may be able to reset it
16:04 Jordach            or just ask and i can grant privs again
16:04 CaveJohnson        Jordach: :30001 is the creative server right?
16:04 Jordach            that's survival
16:04 CaveJohnson        ah, survival then
16:04 CaveJohnson        still haven't got used to there still being hearts in creative mode
16:05 CaveJohnson        Jordach: okay, please do
16:05 CaveJohnson        can't remember it ;-;
16:05 CaveJohnson        knew i should have put it down
16:05 Jordach            CaveJohnson, which port
16:06 CaveJohnson        :30001
16:06 jentron            How do I get the tnt blocks to activate?
16:06 Calinou            jentron, left-click with a torch
16:07 Calinou            nearby TNT will automatically detonate upon explosion
16:07 Jordach            CaveJohnson, username
16:07 CaveJohnson        Jordach: Zack
16:07 CaveJohnson        TIL xnrand is here
16:07 jentron            Thanks Calinou
16:07 xnrand             since ages.
16:07 CaveJohnson        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:09 Jordach            CaveJohnson, solved
16:09 Jordach            see PM
16:21 Calinou            !cat
16:21 MinetestBot        http://i.imgur.com/0p9arhp.jpg
16:23 PenguinDad         !doge
16:23 MinetestBot        http://i.imgur.com/wp9x7GY.gif
16:26 Calinou            !pony
16:27 Krock              MinetestBot, your doge image does not follow the dogerules
16:27 CaveJohnson        :(
16:27 Krock              it must be Comic Sans Serif
16:30 Calinou            Comic Sans is a proprietary MS font
16:31 Calinou            despite being funny, it shouldn't be used
16:31 Calinou            there are free replacements around
16:33 Krock              Calinou, so it's forbidden to publish images with comic sans MS? LEL
16:34 kahrl              only microsoft may do it
16:34 kahrl              http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-00-33-81/2402.comicsansfixed03.jpg
16:36 exio4              noone wants a comic sans replacement
16:40 Calinou            not necessarily forbidden
16:40 Calinou            but can be restricted (commercial use, etc)
16:40 Calinou            requires installing .exe without source on non-Windows OSes
16:51 zat                VanessaE~~~~
16:51 * VanessaE         hides
16:51 zat                No use, I saw you hiding.
16:51 * VanessaE         hides better
16:52 VanessaE           sup?
16:52 zat                uh all fine
16:53 VanessaE           oh ok :)
16:53 zat                what rollback command is giving you slowness?
16:53 zat                I am going to try
16:53 zat                to test
16:53 VanessaE           just a routine rollback check, radius 1, time 9999999
16:53 VanessaE           (e.g. all the way back to the beginning of the log if necessary)
16:56 Calinou            there should be a -1 time shorthand
16:56 Calinou            :/
16:57 zat                that would be a second to the future
16:57 zat                ...I am done with all the biomes.
16:57 zat                but the tree generation still sux
16:58 zat                I added all the trees from moretrees and let them grow in the appropriate biomes
17:07 VanessaE           zat: update your plantlife modpack
17:08 VanessaE           many changes for performance improvements :)
17:08 VanessaE           brb
17:08 zat                lol VanessaE, I am just using the models of the trees
17:08 zat                I know they grow differently
17:08 zat                but I just saved schematic files of each and then register them as decorations
17:10 * ecutruin         returns, ish.
17:14 * twoelk           built some nice drama trees
17:19 Calinou            Tesseract, #tesseract wants you
17:22 Tesseract          Calinou: Really?  My nick's based directly on the 4D object though, not the game.
17:23 VanessaE           *gasp*
17:23 VanessaE           he's HERE and TALKING for once?
17:23 VanessaE           :)
17:24 Tesseract          VanessaE: Uh, me?  My core's borked, and it's apparently SQLite3's fault.
17:24 VanessaE           quassel core still runs on DAC
17:24 VanessaE           maybe you can use that?
17:25 VanessaE           (idk if it's still working right though; I went back to xchat)
17:26 * PenguinDad       hands Tesseract a hexacosichoron
17:27 Tesseract          VanessaE: Maybe, but you'll have to --add-user.
17:30 VanessaE           done.  see /msg
17:30 VanessaE           wait.
17:30 VanessaE           hm.
17:30 VanessaE           unable to add user, it said.
17:30 VanessaE           oh wait
17:30 VanessaE           must be running the core as the wrong user
17:32 zat                VanessaE: the rollback_checks are instant for me
17:32 zat                no matter the numbers involved
17:33 zat                but I cannot rollback anyway....
17:35 zat                VanessaE: do rollbacks work for you?
17:35 VanessaE           they work yes
17:35 VanessaE           usually.
17:35 VanessaE           sometimes they fail thoguh
17:35 VanessaE           though*
17:35 Krock              VanessaE, does /clearobjects work for you?
17:35 zat                I saw a change in the code that I think can be producing some problems...
17:36 VanessaE           Krock: usually.
17:37 VanessaE           though I've had one instance where it ran through the whole thing but there were still objects left behind
17:37 Krock              hmm that's what I get everytime
17:44 twoelk             uuh multiresistend rouge objects playing last object standing?
17:47 fling              How to teleport a player to me?
17:47 fling              I have a mod installed for that
17:47 fling              I don't remember the mod name
17:47 fling              and the command :D
17:47 fling              VanessaE: Hello.
17:50 VanessaE           hi
17:50 VanessaE           you don't need a mod to teleport players
17:50 VanessaE           just   /teleport theirname yourname
17:50 fling              thanks
17:50 zat                /teleport my-heart you
17:51 VanessaE           all you need is the 'bring' privilege for that
17:51 fling              thanks
17:51 fling              VanessaE: great :D
18:01 Krock              aaand the 48.6 Million CHF go to.....
18:02 PenguinDad         …a bank which converts them to euros :p
18:15 VanessaE           Krock: right into my wallet.  I'm sure I can convert them to USD easily enough ;)
18:24 Krock              :3
18:27 MinetestBot        Amaz: 08-21 22:40 UTC <realtinymonster> Join #moontest
18:35 Krock              http://i.imgur.com/QAEhmIK.png
18:37 PenguinDad         > Imgur
18:39 Krock              > PenguinDad
18:42 MinetestBot        GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix LuaJIT exception wrapper 3e267a6 2014-08-23T20:41:03+02:00 http://git.io/C23rvw
18:44 zat                http://uppix.com/f-screenshot_6971953f8e0dd001756f3.jpg
18:44 zat                http://uppix.com/f-screenshot_6982853f8e0e3001756f5.jpg
18:46 zat                one more: http://uppix.com/f-screenshot_7000253f8e15f001756f8.jpg
18:47 PenguinDad         zat: nice mapgen you got there but the textures look quite blurry
18:47 zat                PenguinDad: I think its the game rendering
18:50 jp__               https://cdn.mediacru.sh/XSEOKLZkpCCe.png
18:50 PenguinDad         zat: did you enable bilinear or trilinear filtering?
18:50 Calinou            don't enable any
18:51 Calinou            only mip-map and ansio
18:51 zat                I think they are ALL enabled lol
18:51 Calinou            aniso
18:51 VanessaE           nore: *poke*
18:52 PenguinDad         For some time I thought it's called ansitropic filtering :D
18:53 zat                http://uppix.com/f-screenshot_7043053f8e311001756fb.jpg
18:53 zat                much better
18:54 VanessaE           zat: I love those biomes
18:54 * Krock            wonders why his screenshots are always so... pixeled
18:56 zat                VanessaE: yes they are lovely but planting the trees is becoming an issue
18:56 MinetestBot        GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add lua exception handling test code e09293b 2014-08-23T20:53:34+02:00 http://git.io/RUCW_g
18:56 zat                unless I reverted to ongen saplings
18:56 Krock              jp__, is minetest tasty?
18:56 Megaf              Hi igor_
18:57 igor_              Hey Megaf
18:57 Megaf              we are wating for nore
18:57 Megaf              hes online but afk
18:57 Megaf              VanessaE: igor_ is one of my servers players
18:57 Amaz               Why is nore wanted?
18:57 zat                I am not really happy with the biomes map of v7
18:57 Megaf              Amaz: because crached my server
18:57 Megaf              he crashed*
18:58 Megaf              I want his head, lol
18:58 zat                Actually, I want to make the biomes bigger
18:58 Amaz               Right...
18:58 * Krock            throws yappy at zat
18:58 VanessaE           zat: indeed, do on-gen saplings with a very short-term ABM e.g. interval 10, chance 1 or so
18:59 VanessaE           that way they all start growing very fast but not fast enough to lag the mapgen
18:59 jp__               Krock : yes
18:59 zat                VanessaE: I will try that again
18:59 zat                you said that plantslib has improved?
18:59 VanessaE           Amaz: nore maintains the flowing and item transport logic in Pipeworks, and there's a bug in it that I cannot fix
18:59 VanessaE           zat: indeed so
19:00 Amaz               Okay.
19:01 VanessaE           Megaf: it may be some time before nore shows up.  as a quick hack to get it back online, you might be able to add a check after line 138 of pipeworks common.lua, to check if any coord of {pos} is out of bounds.
19:02 VanessaE           e.g.,   if pos.x > 30912 or pos.y > 30912 or pos.z > 30912 then return end
19:02 VanessaE           or something to that effect
19:02 Megaf              VanessaE: Im not in a hurry, I’m just leaving it disabled in world.mt
19:02 VanessaE           but expect it to cause glitches.
19:02 VanessaE           that won't fix the real bug but it should stop the crash for now
19:03 Megaf              don’t worry, I already spoke to my players, they agree in leaving the mod off at the moment
19:03 VanessaE           ok
19:03 Megaf              Thanks VanessaE
19:09 Megaf              igor_: server is up and updated
19:09 Megaf              with not pipeworks
19:09 Megaf              no*
19:10 igor_              Cool, I'll be a while though, I've just reset an os
19:10 zat                No way, the mapgen still suffers
19:11 Megaf              bushes and aquatic plants are back too
19:11 Megaf              !server Megaf
19:11 MinetestBot        Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/8, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 538ms
19:12 Krock              !server base
19:12 MinetestBot        Krock: No results
19:13 PenguinDad         !server Bass
19:13 MinetestBot        PenguinDad: No results
19:14 PenguinDad         no server where one can d-d-d-drop the bass :C
19:18 Krock              !server a
19:18 Krock              !c 1+1
19:18 MinetestBot                  2
19:18 Krock              !server x
19:18 MinetestBot        urllib.error.URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 101] Network is unreachable> (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/urllib/request.py", line 1235, in do_open)
19:19 * Krock            gives sfan5 error
19:19 MinetestBot        urllib.error.URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 101] Network is unreachable> (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/urllib/request.py", line 1235, in do_open)
19:20 zat                VanessaE: why didn't you include my update to moretrees which made plants_lib optional!!
19:20 VanessaE           because.. um..  I forgot?
19:20 VanessaE           pull request?
19:20 zat                I don't use github lol
19:21 VanessaE           sux to be you ;)
19:21 zat                now I see that those can be done without github
19:22 VanessaE           can be yes, with patches via pastebin or so
19:22 VanessaE           but those are easy to lose
19:22 VanessaE           pull requests are better, or emailed patches, in a pinch
19:23 LazyJ              In laymen's terms, just what do mip-mapping, anisotropic filtering, and bi-/tri-linear filtering do for Minetest? The bi/tri-linear filters make things look fuzzy but I can't see any effects that the mip-mapping and anisotropic filter do.
19:23 luizrpgluiz        hi guys
19:25 VanessaE           LazyJ: they're intended for high-resolution texture packs.  they smooth out the texture at distance, so that things don't get noisy or "glittery" as the scene moves around
19:25 PenguinDad         LazyJ: mip-mapping + aniso makes distant nodes look smoother
19:25 VanessaE           a mip-map is a a set of smaller images created from a texture, scaled to different sizes
19:25 Calinou            mip-map + aniso should really be on by default
19:25 Calinou            this is good for any pack size
19:25 VanessaE           the GPU chooses one size to use based on the distance the texture is supposed to be at
19:26 VanessaE           aniso means the scaling of each of those sizes is not at a fixed aspect ratio
19:26 VanessaE           bin/trilinear are just distance filters applied after the scene is drawn
19:26 VanessaE           Calinou: doesn't always work - some GPUs apply the wrong filter
19:26 luizrpgluiz        Terasology anyone ever played?
19:27 LazyJ              Sounds like the sort of explanations that should be in Minetest's README.txt
19:27 VanessaE           Calinou: however one thing that is needed is a threshold setting below which no filtering will be applied, so that e.g. 16px textures still retain their sharpness.
19:29 Calinou            it's not about sharpness
19:29 Calinou            it's about avoiding noise at a distance
19:29 Calinou            you never want that
19:29 Calinou            luizrpgluiz, yes
19:29 VanessaE           nono I meant up close
19:29 VanessaE           not at distance.
19:29 Calinou            if bilinear and trilinear are disabled, they won't be smoothed
19:29 VanessaE           exactly.
19:30 VanessaE           on my GPUs that feature works fine
19:30 VanessaE           some GPUs apply one or the other of those filters when you turn on mip/aniso regardless if you want them, which is why I said those filters shouldn't be on by default.
19:30 VanessaE           but anyway,
19:30 VanessaE           bi/tri should have a threshold option.
19:31 VanessaE           s/said those filters/said aniso\/mip/
19:31 LazyJ              What resolution is considered "high resolution" for Minetest?
19:32 Amaz               More than 64px?
19:34 Krock              morethan 32px.
19:34 PenguinDad         Over 2²px :P
19:36 Krock              everything over zero is high
19:36 LazyJ              I've  seen near-photographic resolution node textures displayed quite well when all the visual settings were turned down and using the default texture pack. Would it be less strain on the gpu's if Minetest didn't render high-resolution images if all the visual settings were turned down?
19:36 luizrpgluiz        that awkward conversation
19:42 VanessaE           LazyJ: that's what mipmap does.
19:42 VanessaE           it uses a low-resolution texture for more distant objects
19:42 Calinou            generally, anything over 16px is HD
19:43 Krock              Mt. Everest is high.
19:43 VanessaE           e.g. the engine gives irrlicht a 512px texture, irrlicht or the GPU or driver creates a 256px, 128px, 64px and other sizes internally and uses those in turn as the object gets farther away or smaller
19:43 Calinou            it'd be nice if Minetest had picmip
19:44 Calinou            picmip = 0-16 (default 0)
19:44 Calinou            reduces texture size dynamically
19:44 VanessaE           picmap?
19:44 luizrpgluiz        the minetest has rendering bug away, for example I put in small, rendering it increases for rendering large and then back to the small rendering
19:44 Calinou            good if server forces you to use very high-res textures but you have a slow PC
19:44 Calinou            very low priority
19:45 VanessaE           luizrpgluiz: your comment does not make sense.  please rephrase.
19:45 Krock              ^
19:45 LazyJ              That would be helpful if PC's could choose the lower resolutions or step the higher ones down to accomodate.
19:45 VanessaE           LazyJ: that's what mipmap does :)
19:45 PenguinDad         ↑
19:46 Krock              !c ↑+1
19:46 MinetestBot        SyntaxError: invalid character in identifier (<string>, line 1)
19:46 Calinou            picmip/texreduce = force usage of low-size textures
19:46 luizrpgluiz        minetest has the small rendering bug
19:46 VanessaE           Calinou: could be useful, yes.
19:46 LazyJ              What I saw was default texture for cobble sitting next to high-resolution, red stones and photos. Not in the distance but 16px and ??px sitting right next to each other
19:46 PenguinDad         Every game has small rendering bugs D:
19:47 VanessaE           LazyJ: right.  and in the distance, mipmap will choose and use the smaller images it created internally.
19:47 VanessaE           LazyJ: == less load on the GPU in exchange for some 33% more GPU RAM being used for the textures in the scene
19:48 VanessaE           mipmap if used properly can increase fps, if the whole scene and all its textures can fit into your GPU's RAM
19:50 paramat            zat, to make v7 biomes bigger add 'mgv7_np_heat = 25, 50, (500, 500, 500), 35293, 1, 0' and 'mgv7_np_humidity = 50, 31.25, (750, 750, 750), 12094, 2, 0.6' to minetest.conf but increase the 'spreads' (those 3 numbers in the brackets which are in units of nodes)
19:51 LazyJ              It would be nice, for slower PC's (and probably hand-helds/smartphones) if the game resolution could be set and any texture beyond that would not be rendered (just a colored square) with text of the modname:nodename of the item off to the side like sign text.
19:52 PenguinDad         That sounds like a quite bad idea imho
19:53 VanessaE           if you could scale the texture at load time and cache it to disk, that would work
19:53 LazyJ              Visually not appealing but a trade off for being able to play vs low fps.
19:53 VanessaE           keep a separate cache of scaled images, refer to that cache when reloading
19:53 VanessaE           however,
19:53 VanessaE           low fps is a problem not in textures but in the CPU itself
19:54 VanessaE           too much of Minetest's rendering is being done by the CPU that should be done by the GPU
19:54 VanessaE           like nodeboxes.  according to RealBadAngel, they're being translated into irrlicht vertexes in realtime.
19:54 VanessaE           (as in, on every video refresh/frame)
19:54 VanessaE           so the more nodeboxes you have on your screen, the lower your FPS, even if each node contains just one box.
19:55 VanessaE           those will hurt your FPS more than a HD texture will.
19:55 LazyJ              mHmm... Sokomine mentioned something like that and I've seen it happen on our server when the slope resolutions were set high.
19:55 VanessaE           yeah.
19:55 paramat            zat see mapgen stuff at end of minetest.conf.example, you can adjust terrain scale and add mountains/ridges flags too
19:56 VanessaE           a GPU doesn't care how many polys you throw at it, really (not at the scales we're talking about).  all it cares about is how much texture data it has to render, and how much screen it has to render to.
19:56 VanessaE           but if the *CPU* is handling all that data, the GPU doesn't get to do anything that it's designed for
19:56 VanessaE           and your FPS sags.
19:58 LemonLake          TIL integer limit is a prime
19:58 LemonLake          little random fact for y'all
19:58 LazyJ              I suppose that means code has to be written to accommodate every GPU manufacturer?
19:59 VanessaE           LazyJ: nope.
19:59 VanessaE           LazyJ: it just means that code has to be rewritten to stop using the CPU for shit that should be pre-processed and handed to irrlicht at startup.
19:59 VanessaE           LazyJ: the same is true of our particle system.  we use client-side entities, basically, for particles.  Not irrlicht particles.
20:00 VanessaE           bad idea.
20:00 VanessaE           horrible code, so I'm told, and HORRIBLE on your fps too
20:00 VanessaE           I tested jin_xi's particles code just the other night (as in less than 48 hours ago)
20:00 VanessaE           I had ten of those streamers going, so probably 10,000 particles on my screen?  couldn't get it to drop below 60 fps with a view range of 240m
20:01 VanessaE           well somewhere north of 5000 particles anyway, I'm not sure
20:01 Calinou            Irrlicht particles don't have collision AFAIR
20:01 VanessaE           Calinou: they do.
20:01 VanessaE           there's an affector for that.
20:02 VanessaE           and even if that's inadequate, no one says we have to stop using the entity-based code entirely - just don't use it if collisions aren't enabled.
20:02 VanessaE           and for most particle uses, they aren't.
20:04 paramat            zat nice scrrenshots. i hope you defined a different biome for each of your 5 grasses, you can have up to 256 biomes in v7
20:07 Krock              VanessaE, gimme some CPU/GPU powe
20:07 Krock              r
20:07 * VanessaE         throws her spare HD6870 at Krock
20:08 Krock              ouch!
20:08 VanessaE           sorry, I guess it IS kinda heavy.
20:08 * Krock            only has PCI and AGB slots
20:08 * Krock            throws it back to VanessaE
20:08 * VanessaE         puts it back into its anti-static bag.
20:09 * Krock            thinks about dynamic bags
20:09 PenguinDad         Krock: get a better mobo then
20:12 * Sokomine         inspects the hd6870
20:13 * LazyJ            's cat starts gnawing on the anti-static bag. (He likes crinkly things).
20:13 * Sokomine         suspect it's too power-hungry and walks away
20:13 Sokomine           :-)
20:14 * PenguinDad       just saw how google created one second of time
20:18 LemonLake          what?
20:18 LemonLake          PenguinDad: source
20:19 Amaz               ^
20:19 jin_xi             www.timecube.com
20:20 LemonLake          excuse me?
20:20 LemonLake          why is this website so freaking akward to read?
20:22 LemonLake          'John C. Dvorak wrote in PC Magazine that "Metasites that track crackpot sites often say this is the number one nutty site."[3]'
20:35 VanessaE           oh G*d
20:35 VanessaE           he referenced timecube.
20:35 VanessaE           LemonLake: just don't ask.
20:35 VanessaE           it's written by a complete imbecile.
20:35 VanessaE           a man who is a total, 100% absolute crackpot
20:36 VanessaE           and who, as I understand, believes that you're evil or stupid if you don't innately understand the concept - yet he won't explain the concept in plain language, last time I checked.
20:36 VanessaE           oh and you're also evil or stupid if you understand it and disbelieve it, and you're evil or stupid if you believe in things like G*d and so forth too
20:36 VanessaE           he goes all over the map with his....  ramblings.
22:29 paramat            hmmmm, when using mapgen object voxelmanip in 'on generated', will using 'minetest.after' delay the voxelmanip operations until after cavegen? is there a way to do this?
22:29 hmmmm              cavegen is run during makeChunk
22:29 hmmmm              you must be confused.  bordering chunks can still carve pieces of caves out of that chunk
22:30 paramat            ah yes
22:30 hmmmm              but that chunk at that point is already generated
22:30 paramat            i forgot abput caves penetrating from adjacent chunks
22:33 paramat            currently my way around this is to place a spawner node in 'on generated' and run an abm on that that uses non mapgen object voxelmanip
22:33 paramat            thanks
22:42 blaise             hrmm
22:42 blaise             I want to build a railroad on my minetest map.. :(
22:48 VanessaE           so build one?
22:48 VanessaE           minetest has rails and there's a carts mod
23:02 blaise             is the carts mod better than the monorail mod ?
23:03 VanessaE           not really
23:15 blaise             hrmm
23:15 blaise             which one should I use?
23:15 VanessaE           I don't know, honestly.
23:16 VanessaE           carts works only with rails, but the monorail mod is generally thought to work better overall
23:16 VanessaE           but it uses its own custom rail
23:17 sapier             blais depends
23:17 blaise             I read about one that can build rails and tunnels and stuff all by itself
23:17 blaise             which I thought was nice, but the author also mentioned that it creates quite a bit of lag
23:18 sapier             on singleplayer monorail was more complete on high lag environments limitations of predicted movement monorail uses cause severe (visual) glitches
23:18 blaise             so monorail is not for a multiplayer server then..
23:19 sapier             you have to try how bad it will be
23:19 sapier             for some environments it's fine for others not
23:19 blaise             !server MidnightSystems
23:19 MinetestBot        blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 1/50, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 473ms
23:19 blaise             I don't guess my lag is bad
23:19 blaise             I dunno
23:19 blaise             I changed some things in minetest.conf around, and it's much better than it was
23:20 sapier             I suggest trying it's hard to predict
23:20 blaise             k
23:20 blaise             basicly I'm just creating a big loop for now
23:20 VanessaE           bbl
23:20 blaise             till I get more farmiliar with how it works
23:23 Sokomine           hmmmm: chunk in that case beeing those 80x80x80 (+/- a bit) nodes which are passed to on_generated calls?
23:25 hmmmm              what?
23:26 hmmmm              map is generated in cubic chunks which consist of multiple mapblocks.  you can control how large a chunk is by setting the 'chunksize' configuration parameter.
23:26 hmmmm              it happens that the default is 5, and 5 * 16 = 80
23:27 hmmmm              there's nothing holding back a chunk from being cubic anyway.  i should add support for variable height chunks.
23:27 Sokomine           but caves may spread from one chuch chunk to another?
23:28 hmmmm              caves belong to a particular chunk, but a cave from one chunk may partially cut into the first mapblock of a bordering chunk
23:28 Sokomine           oh? only the first one?
23:29 hmmmm              this is done in hopes that part of the cave that went outside of the area being generated will meet up with the beginning/end of a cave being generated in the neighboring chunk and it'd join to make one large cave
23:29 Sokomine           so...if all chunks around the chunk in question are generated, the thread from cavegen would be eliminated that way?
23:29 hmmmm              of course we all know how well that works
23:29 Sokomine           ah
23:29 hmmmm              i did not understand your last question
23:30 Sokomine           well, caves work well enough most of the time. it's just when there are buildings that it gets complicated
23:30 hmmmm              if all chunks surrounding a particular ungenerated chunk were already generated, pieces of the mapblocks in that chunk would already have content in it (i.e. air)
23:30 Sokomine           say, i have one chunk i want no caves in. now - if i'd wait till all sourrounding chunks where generated, no new caves would be digged in that chunk in the middle?
23:30 hmmmm              the ungenerated chunk starts getting generated, the mapgen sees that air is already placed (not content_ignore) so it won't place a solid block there
23:31 hmmmm              and then the cavegen runs again which may carve more nodes out of mapblocks from surrounding, already-generated chunks
23:31 Sokomine           ah. but caves do not wander by themshelves through multiple mapblocks? just to the neighbour?
23:32 hmmmm              right
23:32 hmmmm              maybe this would be clearer if you had a picture
23:32 Sokomine           thank you for the explanation! i don't know yet how to make good use of it, but it certainly helps to understand
23:32 hmmmm              well it cetainly makes things more difficult to work with
23:33 hmmmm              the plan is to replace it with completely point-polled caves
23:33 hmmmm              that way no caring of neighboring chunks is necessary
23:33 Sokomine           hmm. questionable. i've seen many caves, but they hide their way of creation well (meaning: apart from spawned things beeing holed, it works very well in general)
23:33 hmmmm              this eliminates... ~80% of current "bugs" in the map generation process
23:33 Sokomine           oh
23:33 Jordach            LemonLake, been playing Borderlands 2 and nearly finished the main quests within the free to play time :P
23:33 hmmmm              s/caring/carving/
23:33 Sokomine           paramat already told me that you where working on something new
23:34 hmmmm              i'm not working on anything related to minetest right now
23:35 Sokomine           for now, i think i'll solve my "find the right height for a village" by setting larger ones to a height of 1 (there'll be some water nearby for such a large village anyway - at least chances are high) and only adjust the smaller ones to terrain height
23:35 hmmmm              i have plans to do things, but that doesn't matter until I actually am able to do it
23:35 Sokomine           ...which is a bit of a problem as the current mapchunk may not contain the center of the village, and thus height not beeing determined yet
23:35 Sokomine           well, hope you'll have time and enjoy working on it later again
23:36 Sokomine           recently, a lot of people got fascinated by mapgens and more or less wrote their own
23:42 hmmmm              you need to write your generation algorithm with the fact in mind that you don't have access to the entire map yet
23:42 hmmmm              that's actually quite complicated
23:43 hmmmm              if you write to non-existent blocks, you run the risk of the pending-generation terrain to be not flat and the structure would dig into it
23:43 hmmmm              and then your portion of the building might get sprinkled with dirt and grass in that step of the map generation algorithm
23:44 paramat            this is related to what i wrote earlier about avoiding caves eating default:stone in village buildings
23:44 hmmmm              there's really no good way of fixing that
23:45 hmmmm              if I had an extra bit in a MapNode, I would record whether or not it was user-placed
23:45 hmmmm              or naturally generated
23:45 hmmmm              then caves would only carve out mapnodes that were naturally generated
23:46 hmmmm              of course, doing such a thing would reduce the number of possible nodes by half
23:46 paramat            village spawner nodes placed 'on generated' triggering an abm running a voxelmanip actually works
23:47 hmmmm              it works because you're lucky you haven't encountered any race conditions yet
23:49 Sokomine           they currently get covered by floating-in mud, yes. and caves dig through them. even if i start with a fixed height (thus, every mapchunk is entirely deterministic on the village side - save perhaps some plants)
23:50 hmmmm              what I could do is add a simple check to prevent mud being added on top of chunks that aren't stone
23:50 hmmmm              but then default:stone or default:desert_stone structures would still get their mud added
23:50 hmmmm              because it'd look like bedrock to the map generator!
23:50 hmmmm              but, again, this wouldn't be a problem if i had that extra bit in the mapnode.
23:51 Sokomine           yes. that's all very tricky
23:51 hmmmm              i can have 8 extra bits
23:51 hmmmm              lighting data is something that does not need to be stored on a mapnode basis
23:52 Sokomine           hm. is there any way to make sure code gets executed after the cavegen? only thing seems to be to wait until all chunks are generated?
23:52 hmmmm              it's pretty huge, but if real lighting were added, you'd have a lot of freedom to do other things
23:52 hmmmm              sokomine, i suppose you could have an abm that probes all the surrounding mapblocks for isGenerated
23:52 Sokomine           lighting...there are a lot of players who hope for improvements there
23:53 hmmmm              of course all this requires time and effort
23:53 paramat            i was going to ask for 'after_generated' function but caves would still penetrate from surrounding chunks
23:53 paramat            as well as mud
23:53 Sokomine           yes. so that doesn't help that much. at least it would help for the current chunk and prevent some caves there
23:54 hmmmm              paramat, on_generated is after_generated
23:54 Sokomine           metadata would be too expensive i guess?
23:54 Sokomine           param2's already taken...
23:54 hmmmm              sokomine, the only way this is happening is if param1 gets freed up by adding real lighting support
23:54 Sokomine           ah
23:56 Sokomine           hmmmm: on_generated does get slightly larger volumes fed than a mapchunk contains. is that due to the caves? or just a friendly feature for looking up what's immediately outside the current chunk? would writing that entire area help with the cave problem? would it be possible?
23:57 hmmmm              the area actually emerged into the voxelmanipulator used for map generation contains the chunk, and a shell of surrounding mapblocks
23:57 MinetestBot        GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix retval of entity.get_staticdata beeing lost while profiling is enabled 3ce6888 2014-08-24T01:56:27+02:00 http://git.io/w7EVEQ
23:58 hmmmm              the shell of surrounding mapblocks is for the caves i mentioned
23:58 blaise             sapier: I made a big loop with monorails
23:58 Sokomine           so i understood that part right
23:58 blaise             sapier: seems the carts want to fly off the monorail in the corners
23:58 hmmmm              this is also why proller's lol-crank-up-cavegen-parameters indev caves look retarded and rectangular
23:58 Sokomine           what would happen if i where to write to the shell in on_generated?
23:58 hmmmm              because they extend waay past 1 mapblock on the border
23:58 hmmmm              sokomine:  then it'd write to that shell.
23:59 Sokomine           might that not be a way around the cave problem?
23:59 hmmmm              what do you mean
23:59 Sokomine           hm. but the caves happen after on_generated?
23:59 hmmmm              writing to the shell is what caves do, and that's how they work, and that's why problems are caused
23:59 hmmmm              no dammit
23:59 hmmmm              jeez
23:59 hmmmm              caves are generated when the block is made FOR THAT CHUNK