Time Nick Message 01:15 blaise what was that bit I needed to add to minetest.conf to get the in game mod store to work? 01:15 blaise I can't remmember 02:42 VanessaE I'm restarting all my serrvers... 02:43 VanessaE oops, wrong channel 02:48 VanessaE ok.. who broke freenode? 03:30 Cylus My bad, VanessaE. 03:30 VanessaE Cylus: tripped over the power cord again? ;) 03:30 Cylus VanessaE: Yeah .... I'm clumsy like that. 03:32 VanessaE actually it was an outage. it knocked out some part of the line between wherever Zeno's minetest server is hosted and where my remote server is in Canada. 03:41 * RealBadAngel yawns 03:41 RealBadAngel good morning :) 03:47 VanessaE hi 03:57 dotDeb wow, minetest has come a long way 03:57 VanessaE indeed so :) 04:07 dotDeb how do you view your own character in minetest 04:07 dotDeb also, is your IP publically visible when you do multiplayer? 04:09 VanessaE press F7 04:10 VanessaE and your IP is as visible as anything else 04:10 VanessaE don't treat it as any more secret than a phone number. 04:10 VanessaE other players can't see it, but of course the server can 04:10 dotDeb oh ok 04:10 dotDeb yea, of course 04:10 dotDeb otherwise you wouldn't be able to play 04:10 VanessaE yep. 04:11 VanessaE F7 was the key to let you see your player, I meant. 04:11 VanessaE (third-person mode) 04:11 dotDeb ah ok 04:11 dotDeb thanks 05:17 VanessaE bbl 07:00 Calinou 1,500 reddit link karma! 07:03 Krock Calinou, you? 07:03 Krock oh hi btw 07:04 Calinou hi 07:05 Calinou http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2do07i/weechat_freelibre_irc_client_10_released/cjrkkam 07:05 Calinou indeed they love it 07:08 Krock ah 07:08 Krock *1501 07:19 sfan5 lol 07:19 sfan5 hi everyone 07:19 sfan5 aaand tell.py is broken again 07:19 sfan5 test 07:19 MinetestBot sfan5: 08-14 03:29 UTC (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 07:19 sfan5 test 07:19 MinetestBot sfan5: 08-16 03:43 UTC drop me a pm on the forum or catch me here tomorrow, you've got a 3d comission from me 07:19 sfan5 test 07:19 sfan5 !tell Jordach ┻━┻ ︵╰（°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 07:19 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around 07:19 Calinou lol, artists 07:20 Calinou !tell Jordach /)(^ε^)(\ 07:20 MinetestBot Calinou: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around 07:24 jp no support of the mouse, no notification as default, weechat to the trash 07:26 Calinou it's a CLI client 07:28 jp *geek-client 07:30 * Krock meows at sfan5 07:30 MinetestBot Krock: 08-13 00:51 UTC 'solved in mining+' is not much better than proller's 'solved in freeminer' 07:30 Krock yeah. 07:33 * sfan5 meows at Krock 07:41 Calinou freeminer fails to load map blocks today 07:41 Krock GIT: SmallJoker commited "Add whitelist, remove old IP entries after 14 days" at https://github.com/SmallJoker/names_per_ip/ 07:41 Calinou it's incredibly buggy and slow 08:06 sfan5 !tell ispn I won't be available most of today. 08:06 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when ispn is around 08:37 reactor й/ 08:47 new_ hi 08:47 new_ help 08:48 new_ help 08:49 Calinou “I come from art background, there it's customary to comission people, and requests are frowned upon. I wish it was similar in case of FLOSS. ” 08:49 Calinou that's exactly what I hate in art background 08:51 Krock help help 08:52 reactor Aha. 08:52 Calinou help for what? 08:52 reactor How are you gonna make anything work without requests? 08:53 reactor That's like... Mozilla? 08:53 reactor Or GNOME? 08:53 reactor They never react to bug reports anyway. 08:53 Calinou they do if you troll :) 08:53 reactor It's been ages since I questioned them about Shift-Insert problem. 08:53 reactor (GNOME) 08:54 Krock omg gnomes 08:54 reactor "Ah I don't think it's relevant, everyone uses mouse to paste!" 08:54 reactor Well I don't use GNOME, all I need from that crap is GTK. 08:54 Calinou "Ah I don't think it's relevant, everyone uses mouse to paste!" 08:54 Calinou did someone actually say that? 08:54 Calinou seems insane 08:55 reactor No, that boiled down to that. 08:55 Calinou I never use middle mouse or Copy/Paste menus to paste 08:55 Calinou “boiled down” 08:55 Calinou I'd like proof then 08:55 reactor Okay, a second then. 08:55 Calinou because pissed off people like distorting the reality 8) 08:56 reactor https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2014-March/msg00062.html 08:57 reactor Which reminds me, I should submit my patches. <_< 09:12 MinetestBot PenguinDad: 08-14 04:37 UTC Mixing Savant - Mother Earth and Savant - Arcade Night Cruise is goddamn amazing 09:13 PenguinDad Hello everyone! 09:19 Krock hi PenguinDad! 09:20 * Calinou puts Celestia on PenguinDad's head 09:23 * PenguinDad slowly wakes up 09:24 * LemonLake slowly goes back to sleep 09:24 * Calinou puts Luna on LemonLake's head then 09:24 * LemonLake goes to sleep faster 09:33 * reactor hides a dozen alarm clocks in LemonLake's room 10:01 jp .mts > .obj converter is for what ? cinematic ? 10:02 Krock that's to generate magic 10:02 jp magic ? 10:04 Krock yes. 10:05 jp fous-toi de ma gueule... 10:06 Krock LOL, I've read "geule" -> Gäule -> Gaul -> Pferd -> Horse 10:07 Calinou jp, Blender renders 10:07 Calinou or exports 10:07 PenguinDad jp: that one is for 3d printing 10:07 Calinou someone wants to do 3D printing, that's why 10:08 jp ah ok thx 10:08 jp I thought for a cinematic intro 10:11 MinetestBot Jordach: 08-16 12:20 UTC /)(^ε^)(\ 10:12 Calinou can be used for that too 10:12 Calinou a Blender render can be animated 10:12 jp not for .obj 10:12 jp iirc 10:14 PenguinDad jp: but you have to provide proper texures if you want to use the obj files for that 10:14 jp sure 10:17 Calinou improved boats/hovers in Carbone to not depend on server step 10:17 Calinou increased gravity and jump height for easier pillaring 10:17 Calinou (feels better to)o 10:17 Calinou still lower than minetest_game 10:26 reactor Pillaring? 10:27 reactor You mean nerdpoling? 10:29 Calinou lol 10:30 Jordach Calinou, y u make faces 10:30 Krock Calinou, not depend on server step? how that? 10:31 Krock everything depends on it 10:31 * Jordach hands Calinou a hot chicken mayo sub 10:31 Calinou Krock, using dtime 10:32 Krock !tell Calinou and dtime depends on server step 10:32 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around 10:42 Jordach i need to stop buying this https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2zXTl2jGH1DV.jpg 10:43 PenguinDad Jordach: why? 10:43 Jordach PenguinDad, because it's nice with Rustler's Chicken Mayo (microwave) subs 10:44 Jordach (i either have energy drink for caffiene or coffee) 10:44 Jordach and ive started to slow down my intake of sugar (at one point i was 500% GDA for sugar) 10:45 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Makefile support for build without leveldb f6e01ad 2014-08-16T12:28:07+02:00 http://git.io/sVjw-w 10:45 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add sqlite3 backend hack for android fa427d6 2014-08-16T12:28:07+02:00 http://git.io/-iCs5Q 10:54 MinetestBot GIT: Selat commited to minetest/minetest: Remove temporary file at safeWriteToFile() 5f1f115 2014-08-16T12:46:48+02:00 http://git.io/SgrQeA 11:43 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix inventory items blinking on item preloading ccf3985 2014-08-16T13:00:37+02:00 http://git.io/IFVZaQ 12:09 nore I managed to get myself ignored by MinetestBot :( 12:15 Krock lol 12:18 nore (I asked MinetestBot to compute 10**(10**100) :(...) 12:20 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Revert "Fix inventory items blinking on item preloading" 0a57b5b 2014-08-16T14:18:33+02:00 http://git.io/fQ-fXw 12:23 PenguinDad wtf did github do with this pull? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1553 12:45 ulla hi all pls can help me 12:45 ulla ? 12:46 raffahacks with? 12:46 ulla hi 12:46 ulla i have problem whit icons invisible in the minetest menu 12:47 ulla tyou can help ? 12:48 ulla you can a good mods for minetest 0.4.10? 12:49 ulla c'e' nessuno 12:49 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Let lighting be done only CPU side. Remove finalColorBlend implementation from shaders. bf91d62 2014-08-16T14:48:52+02:00 http://git.io/uwmbNQ 12:50 ulla thelp 12:50 raffahacks ci sono io 12:50 raffahacks sono italiano 12:50 ulla meno male 12:50 ulla sto impazzendo 12:50 ulla puoi aiutarmi 12:50 raffahacks non capisco cosa cerchi 12:51 raffahacks con? 12:52 ulla allora ho installato delle mod e ora alcuni oggetti risultano invisibili o colorati strani sulle icone nel menu se li seleziono pero' funzionano 12:52 raffahacks su che os sei? 12:52 ulla kubuntu 12:53 raffahacks prova a mettere l'inventario 2d nelle impostazioni 12:53 ulla da mine? 12:53 raffahacks si 12:54 ulla esattamente in quale menu' 12:54 raffahacks to all this channel: sorry for speaking Italian ;) 12:54 ulla (sono nuovo in questo gioco perdona la noobbaggine) 12:54 raffahacks nella tab impostazioni sulla home 12:55 raffahacks anch'io sono abbastanza nuovo, mi piace perché va anche su pc vecchi ed é carino 12:55 ulla il mio e' in inglese "setting" 12:55 raffahacks sì, lì 12:56 ulla ma non trovo nulla con 2d 12:57 raffahacks hmm... controllo 12:57 raffahacks forse flat inventory? 12:57 ulla che versione hai 12:57 ulla ? 12:57 Exio4 my italian is better than i thought! 12:57 raffahacks 0.4.9 12:58 ulla io4.0.10 12:58 raffahacks Exio4: lol 12:58 ulla 0.4.10 12:58 raffahacks guardo sul mio come si chiama 12:59 raffahacks momento che si accende... 13:00 ulla lol ok 13:00 jp go to #minetest-it for italian 13:00 raffahacks oops il pc è morto e sono in giro 13:00 raffahacks jp: ok 13:00 ulla np 13:01 Exio4 do we have #minetest-it? 13:01 Exio4 TIL 13:01 raffahacks there's no minetest it 13:01 raffahacks the channel was created now 13:02 PenguinDad Minetest IT :D 13:02 jp there are minetest-fr / de / es / whatever 13:02 raffahacks np we invented it now ;) 13:02 Exio4 i know about -es and -de 13:02 Exio4 and guessed -fr too probably, because calinou is french 13:02 raffahacks where is 2d inventory? 13:03 jp I'm too, Exio4 13:04 raffahacks ? 13:04 ulla help pls 13:04 jp help about what ? 13:05 raffahacks ulla finds half objects in inventory 13:05 raffahacks i remember i solved that problem using 2d inventory 13:05 jp please define "half objects" more precisely ? 13:05 raffahacks well, all objects, half images 13:06 jp ok 13:06 raffahacks i remember i had that problem, and solved using 2d inventory 13:06 jp inventory from a mod ? 13:06 ulla technic 13:06 raffahacks no 13:06 jp unified inventory ? 13:07 raffahacks technic sorry ;) 13:07 ulla pipework 13:07 raffahacks i thought he was thinking about unified 13:07 jp unified inventory is the the inventory from technic 13:07 raffahacks oops... 13:07 raffahacks sorry 13:08 jp there half images only from pipework stuff ? 13:09 raffahacks ulla: ^ 13:10 ulla y 13:11 ulla confused immage or invisible in the menu but work in game 13:13 ulla you want debug 13:14 ulla ? 13:14 jp Ask to VanessaE when you see her around 13:19 gerard I don't get how people can play singleplayer, bores me so quick 13:22 ulla http://pastebin.com/QGfGm5Va 13:25 PenguinDad I wonder if I should disable caves by default in my game :/ 13:25 jp ulla : try update technic & pipeworks maybe 13:26 ulla how? 13:26 PenguinDad git pull is your friend 13:26 jp download & replac 13:26 jp e 13:58 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Make scrollbar scale according to DPI and scaling factor 4caa00c 2014-08-16T15:30:56+02:00 http://git.io/lLxZzg 13:58 Drae Hi 13:59 Drae Brb 14:02 Drae Okay back 14:09 Drae Awkward silence 14:09 reactor Awkward silences usually mean the meeting should be terminated. 14:09 eugd there's not much happening 14:10 eugd -dev is active but inscrutable 14:11 Drae 0-0 14:14 Drae Cya later 14:15 VanessaE !tell Calinou that error isn't really an error, and you're seeing it because of an engine bug. ignore it. 14:15 MinetestBot VanessaE: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around 14:21 gerard VanessaE, I can't get his game to work? 14:22 PenguinDad gerard: what's the problem? 14:23 gerard Says "ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/gerard/.minetest/games/carbone/mods/default/init.lua 14:23 gerard But the files are there :/ 14:24 PenguinDad gerard: could you paste the full error from debug.txt to some pastebin like http://0bin.net/ 14:25 gerard not actual pastebin? xD 14:26 PenguinDad This is an actual pastebin 14:26 gerard PenguinDad, http://goo.gl/m4tnwy 14:27 gerard Ok can't load texture no_screenshot.png ? 14:27 gerard Be back in 10mins i'll scroll up if you wanna reply now 14:29 Krock copypasta textures folder from github to your minetest folder 14:29 PenguinDad Krock: carbone isn't on github 14:29 Krock no_screenshot is 14:30 PenguinDad looks like you are missing the media files :/ 14:40 gerard whatdo? 14:41 gerard PenguinDad, ? 14:43 PenguinDad gerard: it looks like the server you are connecting to doesn't have the needed media files 14:43 gerard It's singleplayer 14:43 gerard ? 14:44 PenguinDad then you didn't paste the right error /: 14:54 VanessaE gerard: carbone is not a mod. 14:55 VanessaE you need to put it in games, not mods 14:55 gerard It is 14:55 VanessaE no, it isn't: " /home/gerard/.minetest/games/carbone/mods " 14:55 VanessaE oh wait. 14:55 PenguinDad lol 14:55 VanessaE derp, I can't read. 14:55 gerard hehe 14:55 Krock and other games work? 14:55 gerard Only got the game yesterday- havent tried yet 14:56 VanessaE gerard: maybe a permission issue? 14:56 Krock I mean (sub)games 14:56 VanessaE like, files not marked as readable to your normal user? 15:01 LemonLake Where be debug.txt? 15:04 LemonLake Also, I can't create a world. 15:04 LemonLake I press new, put in a name, select a game, then press create. But the singleplayer worlds menu is just blank 15:08 VanessaE debug.txt is in the root of your minetest dir 15:08 VanessaE or in ~/.minetest 15:08 LemonLake both are incorrect 15:08 LemonLake but im rebuilding to see if it was a problem with a build 15:09 PenguinDad LemonLake: debug.txt usually gets created where you run minetest 15:14 Krock debug.txt goes to the place where it got called from 15:14 Krock (where 'it' = minetest) 15:20 LemonLake omfg 15:20 LemonLake what is the deal with this image 15:27 MinetestBot Calinou: 08-16 15:32 UTC and dtime depends on server step 15:29 Calinou yes, exactly 15:29 MinetestBot Calinou: 08-16 19:15 UTC that error isn't really an error, and you're seeing it because of an engine bug. ignore it. 15:29 Calinou this way, boats and hovers behave the same regardless of server step 15:30 Calinou VanessaE, what is? 15:30 Calinou what error? 15:35 VanessaE Calinou: you posted a file not found regarding index.mth 15:35 VanessaE ignore it. 15:35 Calinou yeah 15:35 VanessaE also I fixed the server to not point to that dir, now it points to its own instead (should load faster) 15:35 Calinou someone griefed all my wheat farm 8) I replanted it 15:36 Calinou griefed = harvested but didn't replant 15:36 Calinou it's fine if you harvest and replant 15:44 VanessaE someone was hungry :)P 15:55 Nemin32 Hello everyone! 15:55 gerard Calinou, I get this error with Carbone? "ERROR: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/gerard/.minetest/games/Carbone/modsdefault/init.lua 15:56 * Calinou upgrades Nemin32 to Nemin64 15:56 Nemin32 Lel 15:56 Calinou gerard, paste the nearby lines too 15:56 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com 15:56 Calinou on a pastebin like that one 15:57 gerard It just come up on the screen 15:57 Calinou look at the console 15:57 gerard ? 15:57 Calinou start Minetest in a terminal, if you don't have one 15:57 jp VanessaE : I'm hungry, http://i.imgur.com/W13pwKy.png :P 15:57 Calinou open terminal, type “minetest” without the quotes 15:57 * Krock gives Nemin64 32-bit emulator 15:57 Nemin64 XD 15:58 gerard Aight 15:58 PenguinDad512 Krock1337: you ain't a pot! 15:58 Krock1337 I'm a flower pot! 15:58 Krock1337 ack. - Nickname is already in use. (FlowerPot) 15:59 gerard Calinou, http://0paste.com/6200 16:00 PenguinDad512 !c math.log(512, 2) 16:00 MinetestBot 9.0 16:00 Nemin32 How can i check if a player holds a stone axe? I tried: local item_name = player:get_wielded_item():get_name() | if item_name == "default:axe_stone" ... end 16:00 Krock gerard departieu 16:00 gerard Eh? 16:00 Krock or so 16:01 PenguinDad Krock: let's go to russia! 16:01 Krock oh yeah. let's meat fladimir put-in 16:02 Krock http://i.imgur.com/qtQro.gif 16:04 PenguinDad lol http://i.imgur.com/SPRyE5X.jpg 16:05 Krock lol http://is.gd/kD5iZa 16:05 Nemin32 Can you please help me? I cant check the players inventory 16:06 gerard Calinou, any idea? 16:06 Krock Nemin32, explain your problem 16:06 Krock lol those shoes http://i.imgur.com/B1iYi.gif 16:06 Nemin32 So, i try to get when a player holds a stone axe, he can use the Timber mods full tree chop, else he only breaks one block. 16:07 * PenguinDad made a mod for breaking one block 16:08 Krock Nemin32, pastebin coming 16:08 Krock http://pastebin.com/WEMiQWfi 16:08 Nemin32 Krock: However, it gives me an error, when i check the players name, it says it a global reference nil 16:08 Krock that one defiitely works 16:10 Nemin32 Krock: It gives this error when:local player = get_player_name() | 18:07:50: ERROR[main]: C:\minetest-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\sajat\checkitem\init.lua:1 : attempt to call global 'get_player_name' (a nil value) 16:11 Krock Nemin32, where does the player object come from? 16:11 Calinou gerard, use up-to-date Minetest version 16:11 Calinou get Git, compile it yourself, or use a daily build. 16:11 Nemin32 Krock: What do you mean? 16:12 Krock Nemin32, \init.lua:1 : attempt to call 16:12 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 16:12 Krock lines 1... ersiously 16:12 Krock *s 16:12 Nemin32 Krock: local player = get_player_name() 16:12 Krock Nemin32, know code snippets? insert them where it's good 16:13 Krock "player" isn't defined everywhere 16:13 PenguinDad Nemin32: you need a player object to use get_player_name() 16:13 sfan5 !seen ispn 16:13 MinetestBot sfan5: ispn was last seen at 2014-08-16 03:46:19 UTC on #minetest 16:13 Nemin32 Uhh, then what need i write? 16:13 Krock Nemin32, when the player dug a thing, right? 16:13 Nemin32 Yep 16:14 MinetestBot ispn: 08-16 13:06 UTC I won't be available most of today. 16:14 sfan5 oh 16:14 sfan5 what a coindindence (?) 16:14 PenguinDad Hey ispn! 16:14 sfan5 ispn: I just got back 16:15 gerard Calinou, didn't realise the Software Centre wasn't up to date 16:15 ispn Hi all 16:16 ispn sfan5: heh sorry for late coming. Minetest -_- 16:16 Calinou hi artist 16:16 sfan5 no need to be sorry 16:16 * Calinou throws money on floor 16:16 Nemin32 I still dont know what is the problem 16:16 * PenguinDad smells the money 16:17 * Nemin32 is worried, because the code gives errors. 16:17 * Krock slaps Nemin32 with http://pastebin.com/ejN5grdu 16:17 Calinou you should use something else than pastebin.com 16:17 * Krock gives Nemin32 a ')' at the end 16:17 sfan5 ispn: I created a github repo: https://github.com/sfan5/mt2obj 16:18 * Nemin32 sees the Paste and feels like an idiot. 16:18 Krock sfan5, 1) what's it good for? 2) Lines 20-22 in the main file 16:19 sfan5 Krock: 1) converts a minetest schematic into an .obj file you can import into Blender 2) oops, I was in a hurry 16:19 PenguinDad Krock: you can convert mts files to obj files with that script 16:19 Krock k 16:20 Krock PenguinDad, yeah that's clear but I didn't know what's it used for 16:20 sfan5 Krock: '...you can import into Blender' 16:21 Krock > ar but I didn't know what' 16:21 sfan5 Krock: https://mediacru.sh/uepmpA4owU5q 16:21 Krock past sentence 16:21 ispn sfan5: I'll link that on a few mailing lists, maybe add blender import functionality when time allows. It doesn't seem very complicated to do, but will have to research a lot of stuff :/ 16:21 Krock MEOW 16:21 * PenguinDad throws tar at Krock 16:22 * Krock gives PenguinDad LZMA 16:22 sfan5 PenguinDad: tar or /usr/bin/tar? 16:22 PenguinDad the latter one 16:22 ispn Krock: http://i.imgur.com/8ciRhTP.png what is this editor you are using? 16:22 Krock ispn, that's a C# program, handcrafted 16:22 Krock well, I used the minetest perlin noise for it 16:23 PenguinDad eeew c# 16:23 Krock C# is like a sandbox where you can program fast cool stuff. for serius thinggs, I'd better use C(++) 16:24 ispn Krock: Did you make it available anywhere? 16:24 Krock ispn, nope.avi and it's not MGv6 you see there 16:24 sfan5 Calinou: your turn, tell Krock that .NET / C# is bad because Microsoft 16:24 Krock aagh Everybody againse me and I against everybody :( 16:24 Exio4 not just that 16:26 sfan5 ooh 16:26 * sfan5 meows at Exio4 16:26 * Krock looks shy at Exio4 16:27 Calinou not because Microsoft 16:27 Calinou but because of patent issues 16:27 Calinou there's Mono 16:27 CaveJohnson wat 16:27 CaveJohnson .NET wars? 16:27 Calinou similar to Java 16:27 reactor BASIC 16:27 CaveJohnson it's funny how they open sourced the compiler, but not the damn runtime 16:27 CaveJohnson ;-; 16:28 Calinou this is Microsoft… 16:28 Krock so. "nothing goes over eating" 16:28 Exio4 microsoft isn't just 100% assholes anyway 16:28 Exio4 look at GHC! 16:29 Nemin32 Hmm, hmm its nearly complete however stack == "default:axe_stone" is still not working -.- 16:29 reactor NVIDIA aren't complete assholes either. 16:29 reactor Both still _are_ assholes. 16:29 Calinou “Any company does great and terrible stuff” 16:29 VanessaE Nemin32: because it's not default:axe_stone 16:29 CaveJohnson Calinou: yeah, but it was rather... weird to not open source the runtime, but open source the compiler 16:30 CaveJohnson also i should play MT more. 16:30 VanessaE Nemin32: I believe the item name is default:tool_stoneaxe or something 16:30 ispn GHC? Gorgeous Horny Chics and 'microsoft' aren't exactly the words I'd expect to fin in near proximity. 16:30 CaveJohnson but yeah 16:30 CaveJohnson 'tis MS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 16:30 Nemin32 VanessaE: Uhh, ok thanks. 16:30 Calinou CaveJohnson, GitHub uses an “Open Source almost everything” policy 16:30 ispn I always wondered why they didn't at least call the company Macrohard 16:30 Calinou their backend is nowhere to be found 16:30 CaveJohnson huh 16:30 CaveJohnson never thought of it like that o.o 16:31 reactor ispn: erectile dysfunction. 16:31 Nemin32 VanessaE: So i giveme default:axe_stone, but the item name is default:tool_stoneaxe? 16:31 CaveJohnson but then again, are microsoft gaining any money by keeping the runtime closed-source? 16:31 Calinou TPW made a post about it 16:31 Calinou CaveJohnson, no 16:31 Calinou this is typical proprietary idiocracy 16:31 CaveJohnson thought as much 16:31 Calinou if people weren't stupid, most software would be free already 16:31 CaveJohnson Calinou: i was always annoyed at people keeping things free, but not open sourcing them 16:31 Calinou yes 16:31 CaveJohnson WHAT IS THE POINT!? D: 16:31 reactor CaveJohnson: that's how you embrace. 16:31 VanessaE Nemin32: oh, well I guess that IS the item name then :) 16:31 reactor Then you extend and extinguish. 16:31 Exio4 example: OECake 16:32 CaveJohnson reactor: ? 16:32 Calinou idiocracy, aliased by “secret sauce”, “we don't want to see people monetizing on our work”, “but I code like a foot” 16:32 CaveJohnson Exio4: oh wow 16:32 CaveJohnson i remember oecake o.o 16:32 CaveJohnson anyway brb 16:32 sfan5 Calinou: how does a foot code? 16:32 Calinou I don't know 16:32 reactor CaveJohnson: your tool is free, people use it, like it. Then you make some features non-free... 16:32 Calinou that's what Gitlab's been doing, reactor 8) 16:32 CaveJohnson ah, i see, reactor 16:33 Calinou they sell proprietary addons 16:33 CaveJohnson Calinou: i was quite disappointed with GitLab for doing that :( 16:33 CaveJohnson so i moved to gitolite 16:33 reactor Or make extensions to the standards that tool relies upon, so that somethign created in it is not compatible with standard programs anymore. 16:33 CaveJohnson tbh cgit + gitolite is <3 16:33 CaveJohnson all GPL 16:33 reactor And enable the "new features" by default, so that users aren't aware of that at first. 16:34 Calinou Gitorious 16:34 Calinou AGPL 3 16:34 ispn Blendercookie is selling a proprietary addon for Blender. Remesher of sorts. 16:34 Calinou Calinou: i was quite disappointed with GitLab for doing that :( 16:34 Calinou you're disappointed of that? 16:34 CaveJohnson i heard that's a real pain to install, Calinou 16:34 Calinou really? 16:34 CaveJohnson Calinou: ??? 16:34 Calinou ispn, oh that's very frequent, but they have to comply with the GPL 16:34 Nemin32 Woo! Thanks its working now! 16:34 Calinou Or make extensions to the standards that tool relies upon, so that somethign created in it is not compatible with standard programs anymore. 16:34 Calinou this is somehow what Adobe did with PDF 16:35 CaveJohnson Calinou: i don't understand :P 16:35 Calinou the extensions like forms, 3D… are poorly supported in free PDF readers 16:35 ispn Calinou: I know that Migius is selling his cad4arch package for a fee too, but plans to release once dev costs got returned. 16:35 Calinou CaveJohnson, well, you're fine with playing a game that charges you 20 € and never lets you see its source code 16:35 Calinou ispn, they don't comply with GPL → tell the Blender Foundation about it, they'll be happy 16:36 Nemin32 Should i post into the forums my fork of New Timber where you can only chop the full tree with axes? 16:36 ispn Calinou: I heard that BF doesn't mind if you close source games based on BGE as long as you pay them a fee. 16:36 Calinou maybe they sell exceptions 16:36 CaveJohnson Calinou: i was talking about https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-ee/ 16:36 Calinou but unlikely for plugins 16:37 Calinou the BGE is barely used on public projects, it's mostly prototyping, it'll be phased out for simulation usage 16:37 ispn Calinou: they can't sell exceptions due to GPL's self-propagation 16:37 Calinou that's calling selling an exception 16:37 Calinou if you let someone violate the GPL in exchange of money 16:37 CaveJohnson the enterprise edition of GitLab, I prefer for previously fully open source applications to stay that way 16:37 Calinou “It contains copyrighted code” 16:37 Calinou the free version is also copyrighted 16:37 ispn Calinou: they can't sell something they don't own, and that's the case with a lot of code for BGE. 16:38 Calinou can people stop using “copyrighted” like that? 16:38 Calinou ispn, I'm sure there's a CLA 16:38 CaveJohnson Calinou: It contains copyrighted code that requires you to have a valid subscription. 16:38 Calinou like most big projects 16:38 CaveJohnson ^ meant to be quoted, oops 16:38 Calinou they use “copyrighted” to mean “non-free” 16:38 CaveJohnson and yeah, kinda a misuse of it 16:38 ispn This stuff is all pretty complex, and no one knows right now how to move in this area. 16:38 Calinou also, by that logic, you should probably refuse to use IntelliJ idea, PyCharm… 16:39 gerard crazy OpenSource people aha 16:39 Calinou we're not crazy 16:39 Calinou keep smoking mint… 16:39 CaveJohnson gerard: pls 16:39 ispn Corportations and firms stay off FLOSS on one side, and on the other - embrace it (libreoffice, but I heard of huge banking firm using floss solutions in Japan) 16:40 CaveJohnson Calinou: oh i see what you meant (i misread things), i'm fine with closed-source games, since they take a lot to develop, understandably gitlab also took as long, but it was previously open source 16:40 CaveJohnson sure they still maintain the open source version, but not as much most likely 16:40 CaveJohnson due to the enterprise edition 16:40 reactor Instead of doing compatibility kludges (like LibreOffice), why not make document convertors? 16:40 Calinou what takes long in a game is mostly the art 16:40 Calinou on AAA games 16:40 ispn Userbase is unwilling to pay for stuff to get developed, and I loathe that, especialy that lemmings pour in onto software projects on Kickstarter 16:40 CaveJohnson (sorry for sounding hypocritical previously ;-;) 16:40 Calinou reactor, harder to use 16:40 reactor So that you can edit stuff in your favourite editor without having to use that terrible GUI. 16:40 Exio4 i prefer opensource stuff mainly because curiosity, 16:41 Exio4 "oh, this is doing this weird thing, how did they implement this?" 16:41 Calinou Userbase is unwilling to pay for stuff to get developed, and I loathe that, especialy that lemmings pour in onto software projects on Kickstarter 16:41 Calinou a lemming is an idiot, by definition 16:41 Calinou I laugh at the Oculus backers 16:41 CaveJohnson oooooooooh, dear 16:41 CaveJohnson oculus :( 16:41 PenguinDad Opensource mars rover? 16:41 Calinou already exists, PenguinDad: http://stuntrally.github.io/cars/?id=UV&v=1 :p 16:41 Calinou ispn, money angers everyone 16:41 Calinou it's one of the 3 goals of life 16:42 Calinou so, the less money involved, the better it is 16:42 ispn Calinou: oh, that was a strategic decision. Without backing, they would got eaten by Sony and Samsung soon. I hate what they did, but it may have been a necessity. 16:42 ispn Calinou: same with Makerbot, but that was particularly shitty, kicking Zach out and then taking over the company to sell it. 16:42 Calinou Makerbot is basically backstabbing a friend 16:43 Exio4 welcome to the new century! 16:43 * CaveJohnson backstabs Exio4 16:43 CaveJohnson \;D/ 16:43 ispn Calinou: Not the money. Money buys you food and technology, Without money we wouldn't have present technology. 16:43 Calinou contrary to common belief, being poor doesn't result in dying from hunger. 16:43 Exio4 CaveJohnson, i'm a poor guy 16:44 Calinou ^ this statement is backed by the CEO of Google 16:44 ispn Calinou: It's the behaviour that tries to secure MOST MONEY, that tries to make companies dominating on the market so they can reap most revenue. 16:44 ispn This is shitty 16:44 Calinou indeed 16:44 Calinou goal of life, goal of life. 16:44 Exio4 Calinou, i think your definition of poor isn't right 16:44 ispn Especially that this money goes for shit most of the time. 16:44 reactor Money is means not a goal. 16:44 Calinou 90 % of money is used for shit 16:44 Exio4 by the 10% 16:45 ispn Blender Foundation had around 4K Euro for monthly dev budget last I've seen, and fucking look at what they can pull off with that. 16:45 asl money have zero value in nature, the value of money is only in our minds 16:45 reactor Well, for some it is a goal. 16:45 ispn Corporations are very inefficient in money spending, FLOSS has absolutely awesome efficiency, and it's decentralized, and obeys free market laws. 16:45 reactor Collect it and sit on their moneybags forever, and not invest in anything. 16:45 ispn I just wish lemmings were smarter 16:46 Calinou pingus are smarter! 16:46 reactor Lemmings dream exactly of that ^ 16:46 Calinou (it's a free/libre Lemmings “clone” :P) 16:46 ispn Naah, lemmings dream of a cliff from which they can fly towards the sunset :P 16:47 PenguinDad Pingus I loved that game when I was ~6 years old 16:47 Exio4 i don't remember what i did when i was six years old :( 16:48 reactor ispn: the more expensive that cliff is the more desirable to them. 16:48 Exio4 i only remember the first flash game i ever played 16:48 reactor "I'm gonna jump from a more expensive cliff than you ever are" 16:52 ispn ok, nice ideological ride, but now going back to work :] Aim is 3d prints on Monday, will post in thread. 16:54 EvergreenTree sfan5: Your mts to mesh exporter is awesome! 16:54 EvergreenTree :3 16:54 sfan5 EvergreenTree: I know :3 16:55 EvergreenTree Also, if you want to add a texture to a block in blender, it changes all blocks of the same type 16:55 EvergreenTree so no manual texture changing 16:55 sfan5 EvergreenTree: I'm working on that 16:56 EvergreenTree Oh, nice 16:56 ispn sfan5: Wheeee :D 16:56 EvergreenTree Oh hi ispn 16:56 EvergreenTree (or spin) 16:56 EvergreenTree I was just doing some good 'ol partitioning on my laptop 16:56 EvergreenTree got a new 128gb ssd 16:56 ispn EvergreenTree: Hi! 16:56 EvergreenTree made a backup of the old hdd with clonezilla 16:57 EvergreenTree then had to manually remove the linux swap, resize the main partition, and recreate the swap 16:57 EvergreenTree But it works now 16:57 EvergreenTree :D 16:58 reactor how about dump/restore? 16:59 EvergreenTree Oh, I had to restore it to the ssd without any changes to the original partitions 16:59 EvergreenTree then I did the partitioning 16:59 EvergreenTree with gparted live 16:59 reactor I mean, man 1 dump, man 1 restore. 16:59 reactor But no, they gotta reinvent bicycles. 17:00 EvergreenTree It works okay, so I use it 17:00 EvergreenTree :P 17:00 EvergreenTree I use that motto for a lot of things 17:00 * reactor cranks up the chainsaw. 17:01 EvergreenTree OH not again... 17:01 * EvergreenTree hides 17:03 Exio4 i wonder how could a tree hide from a chainsaw 17:03 reactor You see that, too?! 17:03 EvergreenTree /hide 17:03 EvergreenTree I mean: //hide 17:03 EvergreenTree :P 17:03 reactor Oh, and how is //hide any shorter than /me hides? 17:04 SylvieLorxu reactor: By 4 characters 17:04 reactor Pff. 17:04 rubenwardy Hi all! 17:04 PenguinDad /pos1; //pos2; //hide 17:04 PenguinDad *//pos1 17:04 EvergreenTree PenguinDad: exactly 17:04 reactor //1 //2 //set fire 17:05 EvergreenTree Oh come on 17:05 Calinou got a new 128gb ssd 17:05 EvergreenTree I am fire resistant 17:05 Calinou that in 2014? meh 17:05 Calinou 256 GB is very cheap 17:05 EvergreenTree Calinou: Because I don't need any more then that 17:05 reactor That'd be nice for static data eh. 17:05 Exio4 a 128gb ssd is already expensive shit 17:06 EvergreenTree and it is cheaper then 256gb 17:06 reactor /, /usr and... media library maybe? 17:06 EvergreenTree It's on my laptop that I don't use for storing a lot of stuff, so it doesn't matter that much 17:07 EvergreenTree I currently have a 500gb drive on this machine 17:07 EvergreenTree and it's more than enough 17:07 EvergreenTree I don't have a media library, or a lot of video, so I don't need tons of space 17:07 EvergreenTree I do have a 1tb external hard drive for backups and stuff 17:08 MinetestBot BlockMen: 08-10 21:31 UTC what do you think about https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/294 ? 17:08 sfan5 lol 17:09 EvergreenTree I also got a Coolermaster 212 Evo heat sink 17:09 EvergreenTree It certainly is better then that stock amd heat sink 17:09 Exio4 1tb WD blue is 850 ARS, a 128gb SSD is 1100~ at least 17:09 BlockMen do they have any useage currently, sfan5? 17:09 BlockMen like treasures? 17:09 sfan5 not yet 17:09 sfan5 but adding treasures would be awesome 17:09 BlockMen well, im not for it, but i wont block either 17:10 BlockMen talk with nore about it 17:10 nore hm? 17:10 BlockMen nore: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/294 17:10 nore sfan5, BlockMen, thoughts on #301 btw? 17:10 jp BlockMen : why 'default_plus' has not been merged in neXt ? 17:11 nore About dungeons: yes, good idea 17:11 sfan5 nore: I dunno, still busy btw 17:11 nore mobs and treasures could be added later 17:11 PenguinDad jp: default_plus? 17:11 nore but for now just enable them :) 17:11 jp https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6033 17:11 EvergreenTree Treasures would be awesome 17:12 Exio4 256gb is 2k ARS 17:12 Exio4 256gb SSD == 2tb WD black 17:12 nore (btw, are jungles enabled by default?) 17:12 BlockMen jp, water/lava sound and particels are buggy 17:12 Exio4 or 3tb WD red, etc 17:12 jp ok 17:12 BlockMen semi transparent glass aswell 17:12 jp the cactus picks & the glass were fine 17:12 BlockMen hardened clay make ppl scream "MC" again 17:12 BlockMen same with cactus picks 17:13 BlockMen and apple decay is added to game long time ago already 17:13 jp ah yeah, I forgot than there is some aversion against MC here... ;) 17:16 Calinou It certainly is better then that stock amd heat sink 17:16 Calinou stock heatsinks are crap 17:16 PenguinDad I found the perfect main menu song :> https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/xkore-end-of-the-line-ft-messinian-edmcom-premiere 17:16 Calinou only use for the slowest CPUs 17:16 EvergreenTree Calinou: I figured it was 17:16 Calinou this applies to graphic cards too 17:17 EvergreenTree PenguinDad: that would be interesting 17:17 EvergreenTree :P 17:18 Exio4 Calinou, buy me a good one then 17:18 EvergreenTree Calinou: You can't replace heat sinks on graphics cards right? 17:18 EvergreenTree or at least fans 17:18 Exio4 you say random bullshit like buying a "new heatsink" was a cheap thing you do it every week 17:19 EvergreenTree No, it's rare that I do stuff like this 17:19 rubenwardy PenguinDad, no. no. NO. 17:19 EvergreenTree rubenwardy: He was joking 17:19 EvergreenTree :P 17:19 rubenwardy Yeah, I realised 17:19 Exio4 yeah, we all know the stock crap is shit, some people doesn't have the money to buy better things though! 17:19 PenguinDad rubenwardy: I was joking ofc 17:20 Exio4 i'm using my system without harddisk because i don't have money for a raid 1 eh 17:20 Exio4 i could buy a noname shitty harddisk though! 17:20 Exio4 i would need to buy a new one before the december though 17:20 Calinou Calinou: You can't replace heat sinks on graphics cards right? 17:20 Calinou buy one with a custom cooler 17:20 Calinou that's what I meant 17:20 EvergreenTree oh 17:21 Calinou ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte… they all have good ones, depending on cards: read hardware reviews to know temperatures and noise 17:21 Calinou in general, lower-end cards make less noise 17:21 EvergreenTree I have an XFX card 17:21 EvergreenTree radeon 7750 17:21 EvergreenTree I couldn't afford anything better 17:22 Calinou lol 17:22 Calinou 7750 with 1 GB or 2 GB? 17:22 Calinou the 2 GB one should be burned 17:22 Calinou it has DDR3 instead of GDDR5 17:22 Calinou 5 % cheaper, 35 % slower! 17:22 Calinou lamefun would love it. 17:27 EvergreenTree 1GB 17:27 EvergreenTree lol, lamefun 17:44 ispn eh. //hollowsphere 100 Diamond Block. There goes my weekend :] 17:45 EvergreenTree worldedit is awesome, is it not? 17:45 EvergreenTree There is a worldedit gui as well 17:45 ispn EvergreenTree: how do I into gui? 17:45 Calinou WorldEdit GUI is mostly pointless :/ 17:45 EvergreenTree did you get worldedit from the github repository 17:46 EvergreenTree Calinou: yeah, but it is helpful sometimes 17:46 Calinou it's not included in Carbone for that reason 17:46 ispn I've got a culture shock atm, I realized I can set fire to things, and that lava in contact with water turns into stone. I had a really olde version of minetest installed :3 17:46 EvergreenTree https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit 17:46 EvergreenTree What version do you have now? 17:46 ispn latest 17:46 EvergreenTree 0.4.10 includes tons of new stuff 17:47 ispn stable 17:47 Calinou use latest Git 17:47 Calinou ideally 17:47 EvergreenTree including a revamped minetest game 17:47 Calinou performance improvements, etc 17:47 ispn EvergreenTree: ok, I see it now. 17:48 ispn Calinou: naah, I need good enough. Still much work to get it running the way I want to, mostly workflow testing. 17:48 ispn Calinou: I have to write a lesson plan for it for tuesday, no time for fun now :P 17:49 Calinou on Debian/Ubuntu there's a script for quick install 17:49 EvergreenTree he uses windows 17:49 EvergreenTree afaik 17:49 EvergreenTree gtg 17:50 ispn EvergreenTree: I use both, preferably linux, but have to do windows due to work 17:50 ispn computers hurt without dwm and terminal :( 17:51 Calinou yeah 17:51 ispn Calinou: one issue I have with linux is that applications branch away into .directories in home folder instead of getting neatly contained in folders, preferably with dependencies and stuff. 17:51 Calinou Windows needs a lot of programs to be useful 8) 17:51 Calinou ispn, ~/.config and ~/.local are SUPPOSED to be used by applications 17:52 Calinou but celeron55 goes like “it's moving clutter, not removing it, let's fuck standards once again” 17:52 Calinou the attitude of not respecting standards (XDG) really annoys me 17:52 Calinou anyway, you're not supposed to show hidden directories by default 17:53 ispn Calinou: I prefer when an application constrains itself to its folder. I mean, seriously, I'm this close to running everything in VMs so I have to move around only a single file when reinstalling shits or migrating or stuff >:O 17:53 Calinou you can set Minetest to run in place, for portable use 17:54 ispn Calinou: windoze has a portal called portableapps which is brilliant 17:54 Calinou it does so on Windows by default… 17:54 ispn Calinou: yes, I see, on Windows now, it's rad. 17:54 Calinou it has lots of downsides 17:55 ispn Calinou: mostly downsides 17:55 Exio4 i don't use run in place because i like having ~/.minetest for all my builds 17:55 Exio4 a shared* 17:55 ispn but I use whatever works at the moment. When I have shittons of tabs open for a certain project, swapping it all to linux would take me unnecessary time. 17:56 ispn In the bright future when I have time, I wanna do an LFS install, or perhaps wait for something cool, like that super-secure-OS that lady dev was developing some time ago, can't recall the name. Hell, dwm has more plugins than I can contain, and most are awesome. 17:57 Calinou I was talking about run-in-place 17:57 rubenwardy I use a run in place version of Minetest 17:58 ispn hm, getting all stuff on VMs doesn't seem like such a bad idea, I could throw them around on an usb stick between systems and machines, huhuhuhuhu. also backups of mails and firefox tabs in shots... hmmmm. 17:58 Calinou “like that super-secure-OS that lady dev was developing some time ago, can't recall the name” uh 17:58 Calinou it's not like GNU/Linux is insecure 17:58 rubenwardy secure as in anti-NSA? 17:58 ispn Calinou: can't rememebr the name, all processes were ran in individual VMs, it was something super strange and super secure. 17:58 Calinou distribution is the smallest of your problems when it comes to security 17:58 Calinou Qubes OS? 17:58 Calinou well, have fun finding users of that 17:59 Exio4 all i know is that it has a Q.... ok damn you Calinou 17:59 Exio4 Calinou, linux has the 2% of the users! 17:59 Exio4 have fun finding users of that! 18:00 ispn Calinou: yeah, I know, I use whatever :) Nothing is secure these days. 18:00 Exio4 Maybe 18:00 ispn Calinou: the most important thing is to get stuff done, how, where, when, is all secondary. 18:01 Calinou I don't believe in that 18:01 Calinou it's like saying “I'm OK with eating insects, as long as I stay alive” 18:01 ispn exactly 18:01 ispn it takes some time to get used to, but after the first month, you're OK. 18:01 Exio4 Main: out of memory (requested 2097152 bytes) 18:02 Exio4 what the fuck happened 18:02 SylvieLorxu Nothing is secure these days 18:02 SylvieLorxu W-what? 18:02 Calinou Tox 8) 18:02 ispn SylvieLorxu: automated-script-secure - maybe, but targeted by adversary with resources? forget it. 18:03 SylvieLorxu ispn: Depends on how many resources. High-quality crypto can cause serious issues for adversaries with resources 18:04 Exio4 well, i let my app be alive for 10 seconds and it ate a few gbs of ram.. 18:04 Exio4 i don't think that is good... 18:04 SylvieLorxu Exio4: You may have a memory leak 18:04 Calinou except that 99.9 % of attacks are resourceless 18:04 Exio4 i don't think it is a memory leak but infinite recursion SylvieLorxu 18:05 SylvieLorxu Oh, infinite recursion, always fun 18:05 Exio4 parsing "a=2" 18:05 Exio4 can't take _that_ much :P 18:08 Exio4 300mb of ram per second! 18:10 * PenguinDad calls the oom killer 18:10 LemonLake Quest chin about HTTP requests. 18:10 LemonLake Since you guys know stuff. 18:11 LemonLake If a request looks like this: 55\n text \n0 how would I select the text without the lines containing '55' and '0' 18:16 sfan5 ispn: custom model support incoming 18:16 sfan5 LemonLake: select from before the 0 (on it's line) to after the 55 (on it's line) 18:16 LemonLake that's logical, but what if it was a different response? 18:16 LemonLake is there a regex to select lines that do not contain just numbers? 18:17 sfan5 of that select 18:18 sfan5 | egrep -v '^[0-9]+$' 18:30 meldrian hello everybody (, clap your hands) 18:30 Calinou no server runs Carbone on http://servers.minetest.net/ 18:30 Calinou :( 18:30 * BlockMen claps meldrian 18:30 BlockMen :P 18:30 meldrian Is someone around who can tell me why the integrated mod-downloader isn't working right now? 18:31 meldrian thx BlockMen ^^ 18:32 Calinou moddb is down, meldrian 18:32 Calinou it was totally a fail anyway 18:32 Sokomine calinou: what about trainwrecktonys server? i thought that runs carbone? 18:33 Sokomine calinou: hmpf :-( hope at least the pictures stay...i still have to update threads where pictures got lost twice already 18:33 meldrian It was/is a nice feature for non-expierenced users imho 18:33 Calinou it does, but outdated fork 18:34 Sokomine that's right, meldrian. unfortionately, only very few mods where ever added because it was a lot of extra work for the modders 18:34 Calinou I've added More Blocks once, was very outdated 18:34 Calinou couldn't set license as zlib 18:39 ispn sfan5: watching the git repo 18:39 sfan5 :) 18:40 * Sokomine hopes that sfan5 will update his check-posting-script so that it can enter mods automaticly. that'd help a lot! 18:40 Calinou check-posting? 18:41 PenguinDad minetest_game has slaps :D 18:42 Sokomine his script that complains if liscense or dependency are missing 18:42 Calinou does it work for phpBB? 18:42 Calinou he said it doesn't work for phpBB 18:43 Sokomine i hope he'll update it 18:43 BlockMen PenguinDad, slaps > slabs :P 18:44 Sokomine i've tried to manually put all released mods into categories, but it's an awful lot of work :-( guess i'll have to write a script in order to get suitable entries for the wiki automaticly so that it's a single cut&paste... 18:44 Sokomine or perhaps a completely automatic process. hmm 18:44 Nemin32 Would someone please check on my first mod? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9937 Thank you! 18:45 Calinou it's Mod, not MOD 18:45 Calinou don't use size smaller than 50 18:45 Calinou 75 at least 18:46 Calinou fixed and moved :) 18:47 BlockMen Sokomine, why adding all mods to wiki at all? 18:48 Calinou because MediaWiki is way better for documentation than using a forum which can't do crafting recipes. 18:48 Flipsels How to get the wood for the axe shafts @Nemin32? 18:48 PenguinDad Someone should really fix farming in minetest_game 18:49 Calinou what's wrong? 18:49 Calinou digging plants is slow, that's due to default tools :( 18:49 Nemin32 Calinou: Ok, thanks 18:49 PenguinDad Calinou: the game hangs due to some abms 18:50 Calinou doesn't happen here 18:51 BlockMen Calinou, that can be an option for mods that have many, many items/crafting recipes. But for most mods out there its just not necessary and useless maintenance. 18:51 BlockMen Furthermore the chances to have outdated wiki is very high 18:52 Sokomine blockmen: currently, people have a chance of slightly above zero to accidently find mods they might be intrested in. that's bad. we need a bit more overview 18:52 Sokomine a way to locate mods by what they do. instead of having to know in advance which mods exist and using google 18:53 sfan5 Sokomine: psst.. interested not intrested 18:53 * sfan5 images some ints resting (= intresting) 18:53 sfan5 imagines* 18:53 LemonLake Oops. 18:53 BlockMen Sokomine, having an maintained "Mod Releases" section is the better option then 18:54 Sokomine *g* ints ought to have the right to rest sometimes as well, yes :) though floats are not allowed to! those have to float constantly :-) 18:54 LemonLake I may have just scared away the lead developer of Bread Hunter. 18:54 sfan5 :) 18:54 sfan5 :D 18:54 Sokomine blockmen: too many mods, no structure at all 18:55 BlockMen if you add all mods to wiki you have that many mods aswell 18:55 BlockMen and it shouldnt be too hard for user to browse through topics 18:55 Sokomine perhaps we *might* do by introducing some categories, listing them in the forum thread, and then automaticly creating overview pages on that base 18:55 BlockMen and click the topic that looks interesting to them 18:56 Sokomine and after how many pages will they stop and ignore mods posted before yesterday? that's the problem 18:56 PenguinDad LemonLake: Bread Hunter? 18:56 Sokomine usually, people are after something and wish for a certain functionality. they may imagine that under a diffrent name 18:56 LemonLake A game I'm helping with. 18:56 Sokomine right now, it's very hard to find mods 18:56 LemonLake Co-dev. 18:56 LemonLake He returned now. 18:56 LemonLake [19:55:39] Hagrid: you confused me so hard... 18:56 LemonLake [19:55:43] Hagrid: I had to evacuate myself. 18:58 sfan5 LemonLake: y u do dis? 18:58 LemonLake y i do wat? 18:58 BlockMen Sokomine, IMO its not, but well, ppl have different opinions. but im kinda sure we will have soon outdated wiki pages because noone wants/has the time to maintain that 18:59 BlockMen and then you have won nothing 18:59 sfan5 LemonLake: confuse ppl 18:59 LemonLake idk 18:59 LemonLake we were adding a marquee to the main menu 18:59 Calinou Furthermore the chances to have outdated wiki is very high 18:59 Calinou the mod topic can be outdated to 18:59 Calinou see More Blocks 18:59 LemonLake and because he was restarting the client so much due to menu editing, i changed it to multiple things each time he started. 18:59 LemonLake then i changed it to the font name, and he was so fucking done. 18:59 LemonLake (i was teamviewing) 19:00 LemonLake last thing I saw was 'Shutting down' 19:00 Calinou Teamviewer :( 19:00 BlockMen Calinou, the problem with wiki is, that you will have different information then and ppl rely on those oudated wiki informations 19:01 Calinou not necessarily 19:01 Calinou the mod author can maintain it 19:01 BlockMen and concerning forum topics, the moderators should move outdated topics to old mods 19:01 Calinou we're not Wikipedia 19:01 Calinou we won't make cases of COI in case mod author creates the wiki page 19:01 BlockMen what. you want modders to maintain the double amout now? 19:04 Calinou they don't have to maintain it on the forum 19:04 Calinou they maintain it on the wiki instead 19:04 Calinou and put a link 19:04 Calinou simple as that 19:07 BlockMen so the explanation and all is on wiki but the discussions still on forum. its a bad idea and wont work 19:08 Nemin32 (Maybe only have a list of links on the forums, and everybody could use the Github wiki?) 19:12 Nemin32 Ok i go bye. 19:12 Calinou GitHub wiki sucks 19:12 Calinou it's not what you're looking for 19:12 Calinou MediaWiki is 10 times more powerful 19:13 Calinou we have 2 dedicated installs of it… we can use them 19:13 Calinou they load quickly, very quickly 19:13 VanessaE there's also wikia if you can stand their sucky user interface :P 19:14 Calinou ads, slow to load 19:14 Calinou it's also MediaWiki 19:14 Calinou so no point 19:15 VanessaE ads? what ads? ;) 19:15 VanessaE (really though, when I get less lazy, I'm gonna move homedecor's crafting guide off of there to github or to my personal webspace or something 19:17 BlockMen howevery, im off 19:17 BlockMen bye 19:17 VanessaE byw 19:17 VanessaE bye 19:21 VanessaE there, I at least extracted the unformatted text. that's half the work. :P 19:28 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.github.io/minetest_mod_maker/ 19:29 Exio4 http://www.aosabook.org/en/ghc.html 19:29 rubenwardy Haskell <3 19:30 ispn sfan5: I see what u did there. Nodes will be scriptable separately? Did you think about fetching the cube models from a dir/tar? 19:30 Exio4 yeah 19:30 Exio4 it is an amazing language! :D 19:30 ispn sfan5: I'll try to do a blender import with this, maybe. Tempting as hell. But no damn time u_u. 19:31 sfan5 ispn: you could theoretically use a different model (.obj and .mtl) for each node 19:31 ispn sfan5: yes, this is what I meant, this can be epic. 19:31 Calinou it is an amazing language! :D 19:32 Calinou impossible to understand 19:32 Calinou unreadable 19:32 ispn sfan5: in b4 using pool of possible cube shapes for 1 kind of cube to randomize render results :> 19:32 sfan5 thats what you meant.. 19:32 sfan5 yes 19:32 sfan5 that would be possible 19:33 Exio4 Calinou, it is easy to understand, as long as you don't try to read it imperative-ish 19:33 Exio4 i find while/for loops making the code messy and making beautiful code look ugly 19:35 Exio4 how is a map harder to understand than a for loop? 19:35 Exio4 or a filter, or a fold... 19:35 Exio4 they're high-level constructs that tell you way more about the "loop" itself 19:35 ispn sfan5: a lot of work from the modelling side, and only to get renders. Though I've seen that in-game blocks can randomize sprite direction based on direction of player placement (bones for instance) so render cubes could be reused in-game. Still lot of resources to make all these. 19:36 Exio4 forever $ do ... 19:36 Calinou I'm not good in any language anyway 19:36 Calinou brain isn't made for that 19:36 Exio4 what? 19:36 ispn Calinou: oh come on, your English is fine. 19:36 ispn :] 19:37 Exio4 hah 19:38 rubenwardy !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9939 19:38 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Simple Minetest Mod Maker - Minetest Forums 19:43 rubenwardy GTG 19:51 LemonLake wooo 19:52 VanessaE splitsville 19:52 LemonLake that just occured 19:54 LemonLake zromph 19:54 PenguinDad I was on the smaller side \o/ 19:56 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/8065393/ 19:56 * sfan5 meows at LemonLake 19:57 PenguinDad Calinou: really useful mod :D 20:11 blaise hey if shift-1 rases the viewing range, what lowers it? 20:16 lemonlake_ a magician 20:18 PenguinDad !c math.random(2, 9) 20:18 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'random' 20:18 PenguinDad !c math.rand(2, 9) 20:18 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'rand' 20:22 sfan5 ispn: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ktd3zDSi47AK.png 20:23 sfan5 PenguinDad: random.randint 20:23 sfan5 blaise: '-' 20:24 PenguinDad one of the differences between python2 and python3? 20:24 sfan5 PenguinDad: no 20:24 PenguinDad Then I'm just confused :D 20:32 sfan5 PenguinDad: why that? 20:34 asl math.random is js and lua iirc 20:39 Exio4 sfan5, what recursive function could i write (python)?! 20:39 Exio4 i'm bored :( 20:40 Exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args)))(lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args))))((lambda fact: lambda n: 1 if (n<1) else (n+fact(n-1))))(90) 20:40 MinetestBot 4096 20:40 Exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args)))(lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args))))((lambda fact: lambda n: 1 if (n<1) else (n+fact(n-1))))(100) 20:40 MinetestBot 5051 20:40 Exio4 !c (lambda f: (lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args)))(lambda x: f(lambda *args: x(x)(*args))))((lambda fact: lambda n: 0 if (n<1) else (n+fact(n-1))))(100) 20:40 Exio4 there 20:40 MinetestBot 5050 20:40 Calinou texturing is completely broken, sfan5 20:40 Calinou wrong texture projection mode 20:40 Calinou try other ones 20:41 Calinou also, the texture should use nearest filtering 20:41 Calinou again, that can be configured in Blender 20:41 blaise Exio4: I can't get the update_from_db.py or update_from_db2.py from u_skinsdb to work at all 20:41 blaise Exio4: you could check that out.. XD 20:42 Exio4 my python skills sucks, i only know how to define recursive lambda functions! 20:42 blaise ah. 20:42 Exio4 (fixed point combinators!) 20:42 Exio4 i only want to code something nasty :P 20:42 Exio4 !c while True: 1+1 20:42 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 1) 20:44 blaise I've tried python-2.7.8, python-3.2.5, python-3.3.5, and python-3.4.1 20:44 blaise none of them worked 20:45 blaise so the code is definitly fubar, 20:45 blaise lmao 20:47 PenguinDad !c "foo" * 2 + "bar" * 2 20:47 MinetestBot 'foofoobarbar' 20:48 luizrpgluiz hi 20:50 blaise here is what happends when I run update_from_db.py http://pastebin.com/ina1YKXp 20:52 NobbyNobbs hi 20:55 ispn oh u splitnode. 20:56 ispn sfan5: Whoa textures :D Will look into the code in a sec 20:56 PenguinDad netsplits aren't that bad imo as long as they don't occur too often 20:59 ispn PenguinDad: same about politicians, cancer, aids, and war in Ukraine. :P 21:05 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1553#issuecomment-52118737 21:05 Calinou I see a vignette shader 21:05 Calinou (that sucks) 21:05 Calinou totally unrealistic 21:05 Calinou copying Minecraft's mistake 21:08 PenguinDad I don't like that vignette effect either 21:36 ispn Calinou: PenguinDad: Why not use matcap shaders? :> they are fast and good looking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_jdaBpq8Pg#t=1m30s 21:39 PenguinDad I still wonder why the optipng hg repo looks so outdated :/ 21:51 sfan5 Calinou: not my issue, those a blender settings 21:55 Exio4 hahahahaha 21:55 Exio4 the infinite loop was caused by shadowing 21:56 Exio4 should've enabled warnings before 21:56 PenguinDad Of course shadows make it harder to see the infinite loop :P 22:00 Exio4 pls :P 22:01 sfan5 ispn: note: you either need to set the texture paths in nodes.txt or put them into the working dir of blender 22:02 sfan5 ispn: and there are only textures set for 4 differnent wools 22:03 sfan5 ispn: BTW: the code is highly generic, the .obj and .mtl files can have (as you may have seen) #if #else #endif thingies and can have access to the variables listed in nodes.txt: compare nodes.lua entry for wool:yellow (texture=wool_yellow.png) and the cube.mtl(map_Kd {texture}) 22:10 PenguinDad Hey john_minetest 22:16 ispn sfan5: OK, will experiment with this tomorrow and ask questions then. I understand a lot of the stuff that's happening in the program, but I'm still noob at programming (though trying to learn stuff). 22:35 ispn ok, going to sleep. See you all tomorrow. 22:36 Exio4 mfw someone is watching my little pony 23:14 Exio4 haha 23:37 dotDeb what are the main differences between minetest and minecraft in terms of ores 23:41 lemonlake_ yooo 23:41 lemonlake_ dudes 23:41 lemonlake_ how does one install the magick++ 23:50 dotDeb john_minetest oh ok 23:51 dotDeb copper is not in minecraft 23:54 lemonlake_ john_minetest: does it matter? 23:54 lemonlake_ i want to use it as a library in my c++ projekt. 23:54 dotDeb what's the most popular server 23:55 dotDeb thanks 23:56 dotDeb john_minetest clicking that makes minetest crash 23:57 dotDeb john_minetest 0.4.10 23:58 dotDeb john_minetest no, from repo 23:58 dotDeb no 23:59 dotDeb from OS repos 23:59 dotDeb aka apt-get install 23:59 dotDeb i got it to work though anyways 23:59 dotDeb without serverlist