Time  Nick               Message
01:04 jentron            Should servers run as root or ordinary user?
01:06 * jentron          finds http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server/Debian and answers his own question
01:18 VanessaE           ordinary user.
01:18 VanessaE           never run a server of any sort as root.
01:19 kahrl              my sshd runs as root :/
01:21 VanessaE           ok there are SOME exceptions I guess.
01:35 jentron            server_announce = 0 so it does NOT announce?
01:45 jentron            So, if I have a singleplayer world, can I move it over and make it a server world?
01:54 jentron            How do I enable mods on a server?
02:03 VanessaE           simply leaving that out will prevent it from announcing
02:03 VanessaE           and yes, you can move worlds around as you wish, one's the same as the other.
02:04 VanessaE           enabling mods...um...  I forget how - I just drop them into  <world dir>/worldmods/     e.g.  Survival_World/worldmods/apartment
02:04 jentron            editing world.mt to enable mods?
02:04 VanessaE           that might be it, yeah
02:04 VanessaE           I never touch that file
02:05 jentron            putting in worldmods means they transfer to the clients automatically?
02:06 VanessaE           they don't transfer at all
02:06 VanessaE           mods only run on the server.,
02:06 VanessaE           the client only receives the media from it
02:07 jentron            Ah, so I don't get the mods that aren't on the server. Keeps people honest, I suppose
02:07 VanessaE           however, regardless of where you put them, as long as the server can find them (and they're enabled, as the case may be), they should run
02:07 VanessaE           correct.
02:08 jentron            hows the android version, btw?
02:39 jentron            Are there different player skins available?
02:40 Dragonop           There is a Skin database: http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/
02:41 jentron            Thanks... We can't see the active tool on other players?
02:42 Dragonop           I don't really now that; in some servers yes but im not sure, sorry
02:42 jentron            Must be a mod
02:42 Dragonop           sure
04:51 dotDeb             advice on running 0.4.10 on wheezy?
05:23 Cylus              dotDeb: Are you using a copy you compiled, or a package you downloaded?
05:23 dotDeb             cylus nvm I figured it out
05:23 Cylus              dotDeb: Okay, cool.
05:53 blaise             does anyone know what the forcefield emitter does?
05:55 blaise             and/or what it is for?
06:03 blaise             wow,
06:04 blaise             VanessaE: I was using your HDX_512 textures..
06:04 blaise             my client crashed
06:04 blaise             XD
06:04 blaise             never seen it do that before
06:06 blaise             I did notice the water was all messed up
06:07 blaise             and there were some other textures that wernt happy at all, but I can't remember what they were
06:19 blaise             sure wish the battery boxes had some nicer textures
06:19 blaise             I've got rooms covered wall to wall with them..
06:43 ThatGraemeGuy      blaise: the forcefield emitter... um.... emits....... a forcefield
07:11 blaise             ThatGraemeGuy: I thought that.. but I was wondering about specifics..
07:12 blaise             and what kind of forcefield does it emit?
07:12 blaise             is it an anti-mob field? anti-personel field? or everything?
07:12 blaise             can I walk through my own field?
07:13 blaise             what are the dimentions of said field?
07:17 pitriss            blaise: i think that technic forcefield emiter emits forcefield which is protecting all in its range from griefing.. And it should be HV device IIRC
07:18 blaise             ah
07:18 ThatGraemeGuy      blaise: it stops mobs and players, its spherical. I'm not 100% sure if you can adjust the size. its VERY power hungry
07:18 blaise             I'm very interested in finding out the range
07:18 blaise             I currently have one in place
07:18 ThatGraemeGuy      you probably don't want to bother unless you have nuclear power
07:19 blaise             it seems happy, but I dunno if I need more, or how to space them out, or what?
07:19 blaise             :)
07:19 ThatGraemeGuy      if the range is adjustable I guess it'd show up in the formspec the same way it does for a quarry
07:19 blaise             never used a quarry
07:21 blaise             zomg
07:21 blaise             20 block range
07:21 blaise             lmao
07:21 blaise             and uh
07:21 blaise             it's drawing 59,250 "units" of power
07:21 blaise             what ever that is..
07:21 blaise             lmao
07:22 ThatGraemeGuy      that is more than 50% of the output of a nuclear reactor
07:22 blaise             I tried setting the range higher but it went back down to 50
07:22 blaise             I mean 20
07:22 blaise             I have enough battery power to last about 3 months...
07:22 ThatGraemeGuy      :-o
07:22 blaise             but that's just one field emmiter
07:22 blaise             :\
07:23 ThatGraemeGuy      how many batteries is that?
07:23 blaise             guess I'm going to have to build a few hundred nuclear power plants
07:23 blaise             ThatGraemeGuy: I have no idea, several dosen large rooms full
07:23 ThatGraemeGuy      phew
07:23 blaise             took a long time, thought it would be usefull
07:24 ThatGraemeGuy      building battery boxes is terribly tedious
07:24 blaise             charged them in a day with my hydroelectric dam
07:24 blaise             it's awesome..
07:24 blaise             XD
07:25 ThatGraemeGuy      setting up nuclear and all the stuff that goes into refining uranium ore into fuel rods is a massive undertaking
07:25 blaise             my supply is around 5.5m
07:25 blaise             so I can probably sustain about 150 or so emmiters?
07:25 ThatGraemeGuy      you built all that in a survival game?
07:25 blaise             yeh..
07:26 ThatGraemeGuy      phew, nice
07:26 blaise             some dude showed up yesterday and was all stealing my cables
07:26 blaise             I had to ban him
07:26 blaise             but if these field emmiters do what you guys say they will
07:26 blaise             I'll unban... XD
07:27 ThatGraemeGuy      using one of the protection mods is a better option imho
07:27 blaise             for some reason node_owner mod didn't prevent him from taking my cables
07:27 blaise             and when I try to use area_protect people refuse to use my server
07:28 blaise             they say it's way to complicated
07:28 blaise             so I gotta find a happy medium
07:28 blaise             !server MidnightSystems
07:28 MinetestBot        blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 1/25, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 119ms
07:29 ThatGraemeGuy      ShadowNinja's areas mod works pretty well
07:29 blaise             heh
07:29 blaise             that's the one..
07:29 blaise             I know it works well
07:29 blaise             but people are to lazy to set it up
07:29 blaise             :\
07:29 ThatGraemeGuy      ah
07:29 blaise             and I kinda wanna keep my population up..
07:30 blaise             I'm still sore about mobf causing so much lag
07:37 blaise             wow
07:37 blaise             that force field emmiter works really well
07:37 blaise             XD
07:38 blaise             too bad adding one simply makes an additional inpenetrable sphere instead of expanding the current field.. :(
07:39 blaise             I wonder if I can put a switch for them
07:39 blaise             so I can be all like "Shields Up!"
07:39 blaise             lmao
07:47 blaise             there's just no way I can use those and still have functionality in my facility
08:01 ThatGraemeGuy      blaise: i think they can be turned on an off by mesecons signals
08:47 Calinou            http://www.d-kart.fr/test/usb.jpg
09:52 HomelessHedgehog   I give up
10:11 Megaf              Sometimes I see this error on server’s log 07:10:47: ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Couldn't resolve host name) (response code 0)
10:11 Megaf              !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
10:11 MinetestBot        minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (1813ms)
10:21 Megaf              What do we use mushroom spore for?
10:35 reactor            й_Й
10:36 PenguinDad         ✗_✗
11:40 sol_invictus       Megaf: I tripled curl_timeout and the problem is gone
11:40 VanessaE           hi all.
11:40 sol_invictus       Hey
11:40 Megaf              Hi VanessaE
11:41 Ben___             IIs there someone that can help me with getting the game to run
11:41 Megaf              Ben___: what’s the operating system?
11:42 Ben___             XP
11:42 ThatGraemeGuy      hey VanessaE. I asked for interact on the survival server earlier but someone already helped me out in-game
11:42 Megaf              and whats the problem you have Ben___ ?
11:43 Ben___             When I click the launcher the window pops up for 2 sec and then closes
11:43 Megaf              everyime?
11:44 Ben___             Yes
11:44 PenguinDad         Which launcher?
11:44 Ben___             What do you mean which launcher?
11:45 VanessaE           ThatGraemeGuy: oh ok
11:45 VanessaE           Ben, minetest doesn't use a "launcher".
11:45 VanessaE           it's just a single application EXE in windows.
11:47 Ben___             SO is there anything that can solve that problem?
11:49 VanessaE           did you check the debug log to see what error is being thrown?
11:50 VanessaE           in the same folder as the EXE is "debug.txt"
11:50 VanessaE           check this file, look near the end
11:50 VanessaE           there should be some error report telling you what went wrong
11:50 Ben___             OK I am looking at it
11:50 VanessaE           also what version of Minetest is it?
11:50 Ben___             The newest
11:51 VanessaE           0.4.10
11:51 Ben___             Yup
11:52 VanessaE           ok.  Which build did you try?  there are four at the top of the page
11:53 Ben___             zip
11:53 VanessaE           32 bit, 32 bit (MinGW), 64 bit, and 64 bit (MinGW)
11:53 Ben___             32 bit
11:54 VanessaE           try the 32bit (MinGW) one then
11:55 VanessaE           some people have trouble with one, then the other works for them.  stay with the same bits, just switch to the one with MinGW.
11:56 VanessaE           (the other is MSVC.  I guess some people have trouble with that one)
11:57 Ben___             Nope
11:58 VanessaE           still not working eh?
11:58 VanessaE           ok, what's the debug.txt say?
12:01 Ben___             Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1 Irrlicht log: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600) Irrlicht log: Render Context switch failed. Irrlicht log: Cannot activate a temporary GL rendering context. Irrlicht log: Could not create OpenGL driver.
12:07 PenguinDad         Looks like your OpenGL version is too old
12:26 VanessaE           you should consider updating to something newer
12:26 VanessaE           XP is going to be end-of-lifed soon (or already has been, I forget)
12:26 VanessaE           get Linux, or get Windows 8 or something
12:28 PenguinDad         VanessaE: the EOL for Win XP was somewhere in April
12:28 VanessaE           that's what I was thinking, but I kept remembering something about MS extending it for certain customers
12:29 VanessaE           so yeah.  Minetest is meant to work reasonably on older hardware (as well as newer), but not older, outdated drivers.  Sorry Ben :(
12:30 VanessaE           in before proller says this was fixed in fm :P
12:32 proller            no.
12:33 Jordach            Ben___, you can try the software renderer, but it will be slow
12:34 PenguinDad         Especially if you have a slow cpu
12:34 sfan5              llvmpipe is pretty fast
12:34 sfan5              but thats only for linux
12:40 sol_invictus       I read somewhere that many player files slowdown the server, is that true at the moment?
13:34 sfan5              [93709.088460] minetest invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x280da, order=0, oom_score_adj=0
13:34 sfan5              O.O
13:34 sfan5              [93709.088788] Killed process 24890 (minetest) total-vm:6249060kB, anon-rss:5526048kB, file-rss:15648kB
13:34 sfan5              wtf happened
13:35 jentron_           Ouch. You ran out of memory and the kernel freaked
13:35 sfan5              I just pressed a button
13:35 jentron_           I've had that happen once. Google oom-killer
13:35 sfan5              chromium did the same too
13:35 sfan5              [93709.092622] Out of memory: Kill process 19543 (chromium) score 333 or sacrifice child
13:36 sfan5              looks like the Twitter tab caused that
13:36 jentron_           The oom-killer starts killing random processes to keep the whole system up
13:36 sfan5              not random ones
13:37 sfan5              just the one that take memory
13:38 jentron_           No, it kills _everything_
13:38 sfan5              not really
13:39 sfan5              it didn't kill my desktop env
13:39 jentron_           Under desperately low memory conditions, the out-of-memory (OOM) killer kicks in and picks a process to kill using a set of heuristics which has evolved over time.
13:39 jentron_           http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/
13:39 sfan5              picks a process to kill using a set of heuristics != picks a random process to kill
13:39 reactor            It does that even on BSD.
13:40 jentron_           Depends on the heuristics and your point of view
13:40 reactor            Eg. killing jails because of some shit eating up all memory, and that shit only after that.
13:41 jentron_           if process D eats all the resources, oom-killer will heuristically choose to kill processes B and C
13:42 sfan5              well it killed minetest
13:43 sfan5              so it killed the right one
13:43 reactor            What's the point?
13:43 reactor            Why not kill the offender/
13:43 reactor            That decision would also take less time and be more reliable.
13:44 sfan5              there is no offender
13:44 sfan5              there is just a process using very very much memory
13:44 reactor            The process that started eating up memory last before OOM being imminent.
13:45 sfan5              you have a problems if pid 1 decided to allocate 1 byte before the oom situation happnened
13:45 sfan5              just kill the process using the most memory
13:45 reactor            We need first derivative of memory usage.
13:46 reactor            What if, say, a build jail is packing some heavy-ass package when someone on the same system decides it's time to calculate something big?
13:46 reactor            Kill that jail?
13:47 reactor            The _last_ task should be aborted, not the first.
13:47 sfan5              kill the newest process that uses most memory
13:47 jentron_           I pretty much agree, but I didn't write the oom-killer ;D
13:48 reactor            Okay, one uses most memory, another one is last. What do we do now?
13:48 sfan5              the newest that uses the most memory
13:48 sfan5              hm
13:48 sfan5              wait
13:49 sfan5              how about the newest process that had the highest average raise of memory allocated in it's lifetime
13:49 sfan5              s/raise/rise/
13:50 reactor            Well, actually... I think it should be done as follows: when memory usage has reached a set threshold (well before OOM, to have time to make decision), calculate first derivative of every process' memory usage.
13:50 reactor            Integrate it over some time, that's why the threshold... Oh wait, we don't have to even derivate.
13:51 reactor            Just calculate the difference in memory usage between two points in time. The one with the highest difference gets Darwin prize, everyone else is happy.
13:52 reactor            Average is gonna be some bookkeeping headache.
13:52 reactor            And I don't think it's necessary: what if I had allocated memory in the past when the system was ready for it?
13:53 reactor            The more time given for the above method to work, the more sure we can be we've found the offender.
13:54 reactor            Think 80..90% swap is appropriate time to think that something must be done.
13:59 sfan5              reactor: calculations can be done at oom tile
13:59 sfan5              time*
13:59 sfan5              the kernel always reserves a bit of memory IIRC
13:59 reactor            That should be a considerable bit.
13:59 jentron_           First paragraph of this article is pretty fun http://lwn.net/Articles/104179/
13:59 reactor            A minute or so.
13:59 reactor            The more the more precise.
14:06 reactor            Or.
14:06 reactor            Really, stop the OS and wait for operator!
14:06 reactor            And make them decide which one to kill...
14:31 sfan5              reactor: ping
14:31 reactor            зщтп
14:31 sfan5              reactor: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9172&p=151168#p151167
14:31 sfan5              >-Make it much easier for people to mod your shitty clone and watch it flourish. i have great ideas that i simply cant implement because i cant be bothered to learn how to code for such a complicated process.
14:31 sfan5              I don't even
14:33 jp__               ...
14:33 reactor            xD
14:33 Amaz               Wow.
14:33 jp__               Who is he to said that ?
14:33 sfan5              Hamguy
14:33 sfan5              Member
14:33 sfan5
14:33 sfan5              Posts: 22
14:33 sfan5              Joined: 27. Oct 2012, 02:00
14:35 Amaz               Posts: 23
14:35 Amaz               https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=151169#p151169
14:35 sfan5              lol
14:35 Amaz               Someone really doesn't have anything better to do...
14:36 reactor            If he wrote as many lines of code, even of poor quality, it would be of some use...
14:36 reactor            more use*
14:37 Amaz               XD
14:37 sfan5              xD
14:37 sfan5              plol
14:37 PenguinDad         plolol
14:37 eugd               who/what is being discussed?
14:37 sfan5              eugd: <sfan5> reactor: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9172&p=151168#p151167
14:37 sfan5              <sfan5> >-Make it much easier for people to mod your shitty clone and watch it flourish. i have great ideas that i simply cant implement because i cant be bothered to learn how to code for such a complicated process.
14:37 sfan5              <sfan5> I don't even
14:38 reactor            Oh yeah, Java.
14:38 reactor            As though LUA is so hard to get on with.
14:38 sfan5              reactor: Lua*
14:39 reactor            sfan5: Fortran* Unix*
14:39 reactor            <_<
14:39 sfan5              what?
14:39 sfan5              >_>
14:40 sfan5              >that is the problem with the Open source community, even when a company like valve wants to bring in their software on the linux operating system, you bitch because for profit company is now supposed to provide everything they offer for free because you think your shitty open source shit even remotely compares to proprietary software. Fuck off!
14:40 sfan5              ^ reactor, Amaz, PenguinDad thats new
14:40 sfan5              he edited
14:40 reactor            sfan5: sorry, just realised it's never been an acronym.
14:40 eugd               minetest needs more players
14:40 jp__               probably an immature brat (another)
14:40 reactor            New day new mistakes.
14:41 eugd               i really wonder about minecraft bc
14:41 reactor            jp__: probably one of those coming to servers and whining about privileges and teleporting.
14:41 jp__               exactly
14:41 * Jordach          does the white knight
14:41 Jordach            https://cdn.mediacru.sh/zbb4oleW6y0e.png
14:42 sfan5              Jordach: FOSS, Jordach, FOSS
14:42 Jordach            sfan5, i want to ignore the FSF definitions
14:42 sfan5              and calling him/her bitch isn't very appropiate </what Calinou would say>
14:42 Jordach            they're mor cultish
14:42 Amaz               XD
14:42 Jordach            WAIT WAIT WAIT
14:43 PenguinDad         sfan5: FLOSS, sfan5, FLOSS :P
14:43 reactor            ЩAIT
14:43 sfan5              nuu
14:43 Jordach            let's play the jeb_ card
14:43 sfan5              ahaha
14:43 Jordach            https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=151172#p151172
14:43 Jordach            winning
14:44 Amaz               Jordach: roflol
14:44 Jordach            i was browing /r/minecraft and that popped up
14:44 Jordach            if i have to play that card, he'll stfu
14:45 sfan5              <3 MinetestBot
14:45 MinetestBot        <3 sfan5
14:45 sfan5              Jordach: since when do you browse reddit?
14:45 Jordach            sfan5, a while
14:46 HomelessHedgehog   Jordach do you know how to join irc with the servers? I forgot
14:46 Jordach            explain
14:47 HomelessHedgehog   using /server isis....... to join IRC that connects to the servers
14:47 jp__               HomelessHedgehog : https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
14:48 reactor            SDK. because there are not enough headaches.
14:48 reactor            <_<
14:48 jentron_           How do I change skins for my player(s)?
14:48 reactor            Why even bother answering to him?
14:49 sfan5              reactor: flamewars are fun
14:49 reactor            Oh don't get me started!
14:49 sfan5              Jordach: https://mediacru.sh/pn56_Et6ieKd brought you by http://cutycapt.sourceforge.net/
14:50 eugd               i'm trying to understand how mapsectors work
14:50 eugd               they're an entire 64k vertical slice?
14:50 eugd               of blocks?
14:50 eugd               but surely not actually the whole thing loaded
14:50 eugd               right?
14:51 eugd               they're just a container class? does this class run its own memory management
14:51 eugd               ?
14:51 sfan5              eugd: ofc not a whole mapsector is loaded
14:51 eugd               does the mapsector class handle resources at all though?
14:53 eugd               nvm i'm reading
14:55 HomelessHedgehog   Come on I've had to type this like 20 times already
14:55 twoelk             unlike mc maps in mt are, organised in cubes that are organized in larger cubes that are... oh well true to the voxel idea
14:56 eugd               twoelk really? sectors are cubes?
14:57 eugd               i've been told before they're vertical slices just like mc chunks
14:57 twoelk             and the empty sky in minetest is an illusion. As soon as you get closer to any unloaded chunk in the sky new invisible sky caves are generated :-D
14:58 twoelk             vertical dimensions in minetest are 32km up and 32km down
14:58 twoelk             too much too load ;-)
14:59 eugd               yes but which is it
14:59 eugd               is a mapsector a vertical slice or not?
15:00 eugd               doesn't need to necessarily all be loaded
15:02 twoelk             in your mt installation in the doc folder you will find: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/mapformat.txt
15:03 twoelk             no slices in mt
15:05 twoelk             in the minetzest-dev wiki you may find this: http://dev.minetest.net/Basic_data_structures
15:06 twoelk             mt-dev-wiki says: "A block (MapBlock) in Minetest, is a collection of 16x16x16 nodes"
15:07 BORED              Nothing to do
15:07 eugd               yes i know block is equivalent to mc renderchunk
15:07 eugd               i'm asking about sector and i already pretty much know
15:08 jentron_           Where do I put textures to get them loaded? ~/.minecraft/textures/ ...?
15:08 sfan5              jentron_: texture of what?
15:09 jentron_           I found the wardrobe mod, and added file names to its config
15:09 Amaz               .minecraft? They won't load from there!
15:09 jentron_           but don't know where the files need to be
15:09 sfan5              jentron_: mods/wardrobe/textures
15:09 jentron_           Didn['t work from there, either
15:10 sfan5              did you enable the mod?
15:10 jentron_           I'm running a server on a remote, btw
15:10 sfan5              you can't use textures client-side
15:10 jentron_           yes, its enabled. The mod works, except it doesn't find the png
15:10 jentron_           They're on the server
15:10 PenguinDad         Amaz: you could modify minetest to use .minecraft :P
15:11 eugd               i really think mc backwards compatibility should be considered as a development goal
15:12 twoelk             http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods/Wardrobe
15:12 sfan5              eugd: too hard, not worth it
15:12 * PenguinDad       headdesks
15:12 Amaz               PenguinDad: True! (But pointless...)
15:13 jentron_           twoelk, "The first string (e.g. "texture_file_name.png") will be passed to the minetest API just like any other node or item texture. Generally it is simply the whole file name of an image in a mod "texture" directory or texture pack."
15:13 jentron_           I don't know what that is telling me, as I'm a noob with minetest
15:13 ispn               Hi all. Quick question. I'm preparing a 3d printing workshop plan for kids, wanted to use Minetest as a modeller, any way to export world as a mesh into format readable by some 3d package? (preferably Blender)
15:13 twoelk             wardrobe player textures may be in the wardrobe folder or where-ever you specify in the list
15:15 ispn               That stuff is kinda important, may hit the ministry of education at some point, and I don't want to rely on minecraft.
15:15 twoelk             if no folder is added then try wardrobe/textures
15:15 jentron_           Its got the wardrobe model textures in it, and they seem to load
15:16 sfan5              jentron_: you need to put the texture in the mods/wardrobe/textures on the server
15:16 jentron_           That's where they are
15:17 Calinou            <eugd> i really think mc backwards compatibility should be considered as a development goal
15:17 Calinou            we need a Anvil → Minetest converter script, to convert whole worlds.
15:17 Calinou            would help us a lot
15:17 jentron_           nevermind, it worked this tim
15:17 Calinou            if not immensely
15:17 jentron_           thanks sfan5 and twoelk
15:17 Calinou            but for this, you also need a Minetest mod that implements all Minecraft blocks and items, with textures.
15:17 eugd               calinou more than that the worlds need to be compatible at all
15:17 Calinou            too complex
15:17 Calinou            you're seeking bloat
15:17 ispn               Gethiox: o/ siema! :> Ty tutaj?
15:18 eugd               mc is 30m/256/30m, mt is 64k/64k/64k
15:18 Calinou            ispn, you can look for Tesseract maybe: http://tesseract.gg you can write maps to .obj format, which can be imported in Blender
15:18 Calinou            Minetest worlds can't be exported to anything
15:18 Calinou            eugd, well, we import what's possible of course, using that script
15:19 ispn               Calinou: thx, researching it now
15:19 Calinou            we'd replace bedrock between layers 0 and 8 with stone to allow deep digging
15:19 Calinou            ispn, if you use limited hardware, then Sauerbraten: http://sauerbraten.org
15:19 Calinou            the mapping works exactly the same
15:21 HomelessHedgehog   1 done probably 40 more to go
15:21 ispn               Calinou: but couldn't I just walk over the Minetest map dataset with a script, generating a huge lot of cube objects in Blender? no need for texture export or anything.
15:22 eugd               calinou i feel actually variable and mc-style 'infinite' world dimensions is desirable and worthy goal itself
15:22 sfan5              ispn: yes
15:22 sfan5              but that would be inefficient
15:23 Calinou            eugd, well, there are several topics about “infinite” world size
15:23 Calinou            there's been an attempt at making them larger, but it's incredibly buggy (frequent flickers, no collision past 32768)
15:25 twoelk             eugd: many have requested such but non have made it happen. be the first to code it and proove all notpossible sayers wrong
15:25 ispn               sfan5: efficiency is secondary, I need a quick intuitive interface with preconfigured empty map (4x4x4 cube) where a kid can start slabbing blocks together to build an object.
15:25 * twoelk           still has never walked all the way to the edge
15:25 eugd               twoeld that's why I'm curious about mapsectors
15:26 sfan5              ispn: you could use mts schematics as a starting point, they are pretty simple
15:26 sfan5              then create an .obj (or whatever) with python/your fav. lang
15:26 sfan5              oh hey, look
15:26 sfan5              our favourite developer is here
15:27 Amaz               XD
15:27 PenguinDad         he can fix everything :P
15:27 twoelk             eugd: go ask proller because freeminer has everything solved that mt misses :-D
15:27 Nemin32            Hi, may i ask what is with the translation server? When will it be up?
15:28 sfan5              the translation server is currently down
15:28 Calinou            ispn, well, when you type /newmap in Tesseract, it spawns you on an empty plane
15:28 Calinou            you press E to go to edit mode, use mouse wheel to push/pull cubes
15:29 Calinou            but you can do infinitely more stuff
15:29 Calinou            but after that… when you export to .obj and import in Blender, I hope you can also export to .stl
15:29 Nemin32            sfan: Ok thanks.
15:29 Calinou            sfan5, you could use hosted.weblate.org
15:29 ispn               sfan5: no time/skill, I'm a teacher/modeller. But if I would convince my employer to pay for this stuff, would be anyone willing to write a script like this?
15:30 sfan5              ispn: I could give it a try
15:30 sfan5              Calinou: tell that thexyz
15:30 ispn               Calinou: Good suggestion, I'll try this and see how it works. Though delivering a shooting game to 8 yo kids won't look good :]
15:30 Nemin32            Umm, this is maybe an abstract question, but when is a mod complete enough to be released on the forums?
15:31 sfan5              Nemin32: when you think that it is complete
15:32 Calinou            sfan5, can't we do this by ourselves?
15:32 sfan5              Calinou: yes
15:32 Calinou            Nemin32, when it works
15:32 Calinou            release early, release often
15:32 PenguinDad         Maybe ask the infamous 13-ball :P
15:32 ispn               sfan5: Could you throw me some cost estimate for that? Non-binding, I need some price range for that to be able to discuss it at the firm.
15:33 sfan5              ispn: 0 <any currency you like>
15:33 sfan5              (no, not a typo)
15:33 Calinou            0 CatCoins.
15:33 Calinou            ;)
15:33 sfan5              :D
15:33 ispn               Lol :)
15:35 ispn               sfan5: Still I want the company to pay something or donate to minetest project, they will make profit out of it and I want you guys to take a piece of it.
15:35 sfan5              profit?
15:35 sfan5              what kind of profit?
15:35 ispn               + there may be deadlines
15:35 sfan5              (remember, I said "I could give it a try")
15:35 Nemin32            Profit from a free project?
15:35 ispn               sfan5: fees for courses for example. No software resale or stuff like this.
15:35 Calinou            Minetest doesn't need donations right now
15:36 Calinou            you can sell Minetest, if you want
15:36 VanessaE_          send all donations to me then ;)
15:36 ispn               Naah, I want an easy tool for kids to be able to make 3d printed models :)
15:36 VanessaE_          (jk)
15:36 ispn               lol
15:36 PenguinDad         I could need the money too ;p
15:38 ispn               Nemin32: yes, I am kind of interested in generating profits from and for free software :) Not impossible. There is the Ultimaker, there is the Blender Foundation, they get dev and promo money from people.
15:39 ispn               sfan5: what's the fee in case of success, then :))
15:39 sfan5              ispn: 0 <any currency>
15:39 Nemin32            ispn: Ok, i misunderstood you, i thought you gonna sell it too.
15:39 sfan5              Nemin32: selling minetest would be legally permitted by LGPL
15:39 ispn               Nemin32: naah, I'm a floss freak, but I like to see what happens when floss gets steroids (vide: Blender)
15:40 Nemin32            I think selling a free project is disgusting.
15:40 sfan5              Nemin32: It might not be ethical, but it is legally permitted
15:40 ispn               Nemin32: I think dying of hunger is even worse :] Don't wanna go that road. I have a task and an aim atm which is to get kids 3d printing stuff, and I want to use minetest for it.
15:41 Nemin32            ispn: Hmm, I like 3D printing.
15:41 ispn               *Don't wanna go that road -> don't want to discuss this right now, have other priorities, no time for delay.
15:42 Nemin32            ispn: Ok i understand.
15:43 ispn               Nemin32: It's fun but no easy tools that would allow people to model stuff.
15:43 Nemin32            ispn: How about blender?
15:43 Calinou            Blender isn't easy to learn
15:43 Calinou            I've suggested Tesseract too, but they haven't said anything on it
15:44 Nemin32            Calinou: Well, but its the best free modelling tool imo.
15:44 ispn               Calinou: yes, but it's awesome. One of the fastest and most intuitive 3d packages.
15:44 LemonLake          yoo
15:44 ispn               And they're pushing the dev recently awesomely.
15:44 PenguinDad         A wild LemonLake appears!
15:44 LemonLake          so it does
15:44 Nemin32            XD
15:45 Calinou            Nemin32, of course, doesn't mean it's easy to learn and use
15:45 * twoelk           throws sketchup into the discussion and runs
15:45 Calinou            no recent update made it easier to use
15:45 Calinou            want to make a texture? sorry, it'll take 12 hours
15:45 ispn               sfan5: If you're gonna do this, I swear I'll make this get as much publicity as possible.
15:45 Calinou            player model? sorry, 120 hours
15:45 Calinou            twoelk, proprietary
15:45 sfan5              ispn: :)
15:45 ispn               Calinou: making a texture is 5 minutes :)
15:46 twoelk             dont they have some free for education version?
15:46 LemonLake          hey, can you guys fill me in?
15:46 * sfan5            meows at LemonLake
15:46 LemonLake          I'm curious
15:46 Calinou            ispn, with normal/specular/height maps?
15:46 Calinou            a good-looking one?
15:46 Calinou            you need to spend hours tweaking the camera and light, even
15:46 Calinou            and figure out how to bake the textures
15:48 Nemin32            Do you think a standing tools mod is good? Like for decoration.
15:48 VanessaE_          standing tools?
15:48 sfan5              VanessaE_: like hanging them on a wall
15:48 Calinou            we already have item frames mod
15:48 VanessaE_          item frames..
15:48 ispn               Calinou: texture painting takes a breeze, if you want to make bakes I heard that Blender finally got baking in Cycles recently, didn't try it yet. I'm working my ass off modelling, sculpting and slicing htings for 3d printing, fixing horrible meshes from CAD packages, and doing other impossible things with meshes. No time to do the fun stuff :/
15:48 VanessaE_          use my fixed version.
15:48 Nemin32            Hmm, well it was good for learning.
15:49 VanessaE_          (it has /clearobjects recovery abms)
15:49 twoelk             ispn: for mt-for-education discussion see also this thread https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8607
15:49 ispn               Calinou: but user-dependent things take about the same amounts of time in most packages.
15:49 Gethiox            ispn: hi :D, yeah, I am here
15:50 ispn               twoelk: thank you, I'll look into the thread now.
15:50 Nemin32            Fun fact: In my language mese is a word for tales :)
15:52 Nemin32            Its seems the conversation stopped.
15:52 PenguinDad         I can do impossible things with meshes too
15:52 PenguinDad         I can make them look impossibly bad :P
15:53 ispn               Gethiox: Did you do any more Blender scripting recently? that sound visualizer was might cool, still looking at the code from time to time to memorize things.
15:53 Nemin32            Is it possible to check the item wielded by the player?
15:53 ispn               PenguinDad: ROFL, any worse than Inventor or Solidscape? :D Or Sketchup?
15:56 Calinou            Nemin32, yes, see 3d_armor mod
15:56 Gethiox            ispn I am working on it, but not so much.
15:56 Calinou            player:get_wielded_item()
15:56 Calinou            local name = player:get_player_name()
15:56 Calinou            local stack = player:get_wielded_item()
15:56 Calinou            eg. this
15:56 Nemin32            Calinou: Woo, thanks
15:58 ispn               Gethiox: been prodding some arduino and python recently, you can be proud, that script was an inspiration for me to get to these things. Still noob though.
15:59 Nemin32            Calinou: I want to extend the New Timber mod by only enabling it when the player holds an axe.
15:59 * HomelessHedgehog edits
16:00 ispn               sfan5: digging through that education thread now, I'll drop the project info on the forum with complete description.
16:00 sfan5              ok
16:02 Nemin32            Its so good to see that, this game has this big community :)
16:07 PenguinDad         whiskers75: how about nous?
16:08 whiskers75         PenguinDad: maybe ;P
16:37 Krock              hi hello hey hai
16:39 sfan5              hi
16:39 * Krock            meows at sfan5
16:39 PenguinDad         Shark Krock
16:43 rubenwardy         Hi all!
16:43 VanessaE_          hey
16:44 nore               hi
16:49 ispn               forum thread done: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9923
16:50 whisperdann        *I know a place where I am happy*
16:58 rubenwardy         andrew@andrew-pc:~$ update-manager
16:58 rubenwardy         ImportError: No module named UpdateManager.UpdateManager
16:58 rubenwardy         :P
16:58 rubenwardy         I broke Ubuntu
17:00 VanessaE_          you suck :)
17:00 VanessaE_          re-install time :-/
17:00 VanessaE_          but to be fair:
17:00 VanessaE_          I've broken my box enough times that I scripted my re-install process :P
17:00 VanessaE_          Calinou: *poke*
17:01 ispn               rubenwardy: Ubuntu is broken out of the box :P
17:01 rubenwardy         lol
17:01 twoelk             regarding previous discussion, http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/features/#supportedformats says, "Lots of common file formats are supported, and are able to be loaded (and partially also saved) directly from within the engine."
17:01 LemonLake          hehe
17:01 twoelk             does anybody know how well the saving in irrlicht works?
17:02 VanessaE_          no clue, twoelk  :)
17:04 VanessaE_          ispn: not as much so if you stick to an LTS release :)
17:04 VanessaE_          then it's just stale (but less stale than debian)
17:06 rubenwardy         Twoelk: It won't combine the cubes together. It just exports meshes. The game would have to combine them first.
17:07 twoelk             hm irredit can save as collada, stl and maya.obj
17:08 twoelk             rubenwardy: seen the thread ispn mentioned some minutes ago?
17:08 rubenwardy         yeah
17:08 rubenwardy         interesting
17:09 twoelk             i guess he is just thinking of plain cubes at the moment, building small models
17:11 LemonLake          Well um
17:11 LemonLake          Saving didn't exactly go as planend
17:11 LemonLake          https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2CgvBx_PE7Xb.png
17:11 LemonLake          10/10 best node ever
17:11 VanessaE_          wtf?
17:12 LemonLake          I have no idea...
17:12 shadowzone         VanessaE_?
17:12 shadowzone         Whats with the _?
17:12 PenguinDad         VanessaE_: /nick
17:12 * rubenwardy       throws /nick at VanessaE_
17:12 rubenwardy         damn
17:13 VanessaE_          too lazy to re-auth. :P
17:14 LemonLake          Sliightly different results this time
17:14 rubenwardy         !seen Jeija
17:14 MinetestBot        rubenwardy: jeija was last seen at 2014-04-25 17:05:58 UTC on #minetest
17:16 LemonLake          Right, it produces completely different results every render
17:17 LemonLake          I also can't help but notice that sometimes it shows fragments of my screen's content
17:20 ispn               twoelk: yes, cubes are fine. Simplest way I can imagine would be to spawn slightly overlapping cubes in Blender (even 0.0001 blender units is enough) and use Boolean with them. Or just ignore it all and slice the cubes as-is.
17:22 LemonLake          It's official. I've made a corrupted image generator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9d0sHPO4s
17:22 ispn               (boolean connects geometries, but in Blender it has some issues, can create loose geometry, doesn't always work - when more than 1 solution is possible it breaks, but that's for complex geometries)
17:23 ispn               LemonLake: reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0-w4ATPKM
17:23 LemonLake          lol
17:26 twoelk             ispn: don't put any hopes in me programming that ;-P just looking at possible paths to suggest at more capable :-)
17:31 sfan5              ispn: I have a prototype
17:32 sfan5              but blender is broken
17:32 ispn               twoelk: hehehe, mostly same here :). I can suggest things Blender-side, but I have no ideas about Minetest insides, nor skills to prod at it. I would know how to use a 3d modelling tool like that, though.
17:32 sfan5              do i dunno whether it works
17:32 ispn               sfan5: can I help out in any way?
17:32 sfan5              yes
17:34 sfan5              ispn: are you on an unix-like os right now?
17:34 ispn               sfan5: i am a screwdriver away from ubuntu 12.04, brb (laptop hard drive swap)
17:36 sfan5              ispn: see whether you might be able to use this: http://sprunge.us/DJOW (cat this.txt | base64 -d | xz -d | tar xvf -)
17:38 sfan5              ispn: oh, don't forget to change the mtl path in the .obj
17:40 SylvieLorxu        Does anyone remember what this mod was named that allowed players on servers to have their own skins? I forgot the name...
17:40 SylvieLorxu        And I can't find it back
17:40 PenguinDad         SylvieLorxu: this one? https://github.com/PilzAdam/player_textures
17:41 SylvieLorxu        Yup, thank you!
17:41 SylvieLorxu        I searched for at least half an hour, heh
17:42 Krock              !doge
17:42 MinetestBot        DOGE is at 0.00000023 BTC
17:42 Krock              !doge
17:42 MinetestBot        DOGE is at 0.00000023 BTC
17:42 Krock              wut?
17:43 PenguinDad         !doge
17:43 MinetestBot        DOGE is at 0.00000024 BTC
17:44 PenguinDad         It gained 0.00000001 \o/
17:45 LemonLake          Anyone got an idea why this weird irrlicht shizzle is occuring?
17:52 sfan5              ispn: ping?
17:52 SylvieLorxu        I added playerskins but it won't load, how do I tell my server to load it too? I can't find it anywhere on the Wiki...
17:52 ispn               sfan5: yes, I'm on it, give me a sec more
17:53 sfan5              SylvieLorxu: world.mt load_mod_playerskins = trze
17:53 sfan5              true*
17:54 Krock              SylvieLorxu, u_skins is better :P
17:54 SylvieLorxu        Ah...
17:54 SylvieLorxu        Krock: I installed playerskins now, but link? :P
17:55 Krock              page 2 on mod releases
17:55 Krock              https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9807
17:55 Krock              (self-advertising cuz the original mod is outdated in my eyes)
18:07 Krock              aagh blame .x model! http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/skins/5/451.png
18:07 * Jordach          evilly laughs
18:08 Jordach            while my b3d model is perfect and properly meshed
18:09 ispn               sfan5: had to correct tar (-xv) got obj and mtl, now importing to blender
18:13 ispn               sfan5: got a single cube, 1x1 blender unit, x length:1, y length:-1, z length:1
18:14 Krock              Jordach, yeah. Happy to see a 100% compatible model
18:23 blaise             hey, is there a player skin mod that works for unified_inventory?
18:25 blaise             minetest-u_skins
18:25 blaise             hrmm
18:33 jp                 Jordach : have you the tap model that VanessaE gave you for re-modelling in Blender ? I delete it and we need it now...
18:34 jp                 the .nbe or init.lua
18:34 sfan5              ispn: ping?
18:34 ispn               sfan5: replied above :)
18:35 ispn               sfan5: cube imported successfully
18:35 Jordach            jp, eh?
18:36 jp                 Jordach ; that : http://i.imgur.com/kRDoFGL.png
18:36 Jordach            jp, the model in BFD is accurate to the MC model
18:36 jp                 You normally hav the files...
18:36 Jordach            jp, OH
18:36 Jordach            was going to work it but forgot about it
18:36 jp                 oh ok
18:36 jp                 VanessaE ^
18:36 Jordach            i've been really busy outside of minetest
18:36 jp                 np
18:37 sfan5              ispn: just one cube?
18:38 VanessaE_          Jordach: can you dropbox the file please?
18:39 ispn               sfan5: yes, imported .obj and it was a single cube. MTL from what I see contains texture data. There was just mtl and obj files in the archive.
18:39 Jordach            syncing
18:39 Jordach            https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5n9m2gdsm5t99z/kitchentap3.zip
18:40 VanessaE_          Jordach: ah, thanks a bunch
18:40 jp                 Thanks Jordach.
18:40 Jordach            and yet nobody really understands the finer points of Cloud storage
18:41 Jordach            for someone like me whos previous stuff may be useful, my dropbox is always open to people fiddling with stuff :3
18:47 justherefornofap   Is there a sprint mod? Can I changed inventory to E?
18:49 Cylus              Inventory can be set to "e" in your keybinding configuration. As far as I know, there is no sprint mod.
18:49 jentron_           can I suspend time from a / command?
18:50 Cylus              jentron_: What do you mean?
18:51 jentron_           Stop time from progressing
18:51 Cylus              Freeze everyone in time?
18:51 Cylus              I don't think you can do that.
18:51 jentron_           Just the sun and moon. Day/night cycles
18:51 sol_invictus       you can't suspend time by command
18:51 PenguinDad         jentron_: IIRC you can do that with /set time_speed 0
18:52 gerard             Can you change keybinds?
18:52 jentron_           Ah, that one. Thanks PenguinDad
18:52 Cylus              I think you can. "/set -n <key> 0", where <key> is the config key that sets time speed.
18:52 Cylus              gerard: Yes you can.
18:52 sol_invictus       PenguinDad: wow, didn't think about it
18:52 Cylus              It's in the GUI under "settings".
18:53 gerard             What does "use" do? Im used to inventory as E
18:54 Cylus              Not sure. I can't access my client right now to check.
18:54 gerard             Is there a sprint?
18:54 PenguinDad         gerard: You run with e
18:54 Cylus              I have to set the drop key away from "q" though. If I don't, I keep dropping stuff when I try to walk.
18:55 Cylus              (Big, clumsy fingers.)
18:55 Calinou            /set -n time_speed 0
18:55 Calinou            but, you shouldn't set that while the server is running
18:55 Calinou            it may not work
18:56 gerard             PenguinDad, doesn't seem to work for me?
18:56 PenguinDad         gerard: do you have the fast priv?
18:57 gerard             Not sure? First time i've been on it
18:57 Nemin32            gerard: Try /grant singleplayer all
18:57 Nemin32            (into the chat window -> T)
18:58 gerard             Haha yeah that works now
18:58 gerard             But why isn't there sprint in the game?
18:59 Cylus              What would be the point of sprinting when you can run?
18:59 Nemin32            Umm, what is the difference?
19:00 rubenwardy         I have never had a problem with /set time_speed
19:00 Cylus              Nemin32: From what I gather, sprinting can only be done for a short time, and is Minecraft-specific.
19:00 rubenwardy         Interesting
19:00 rubenwardy         gtg
19:00 Nemin32            Cyclus: Ahh, i see.
19:01 Calinou            sprinting would involve a stamina/impulse/hunger system to limit it
19:01 Nemin32            Will be there a 5. release?
19:01 Calinou            or a downside (can't build/dig while sprinting)
19:01 gerard             Yeah sorry I have came from Minecraft
19:02 Cylus              Ugh, hunger. Not a fan of that.
19:02 Calinou            what I'd like is time-based sprinting
19:02 Nemin32            gerard: Welcome to the team :D
19:02 Calinou            if you run for a long time in the same direction, your speed increases. that's all.
19:02 gerard             Also on the Linux team now aha
19:02 Calinou            you quickly reach walking speed, but after 3-5 seconds, you reach sprinting speed
19:02 Nemin32            Nice
19:02 gerard             But you can't run online
19:02 gerard             ?
19:02 Cylus              Sweet. Welcome to team Minecraft on Linux then!
19:02 Nemin32            You can, you just need privs for that from a mod.
19:02 Cylus              *Minetest on Linux
19:03 Nemin32            I mean a moderator.
19:04 shadowzone         I use minetest on linux.
19:07 Nemin32            May i ask, what tools do you use for making mods (editor & maybe collab. software)? I use NP++ for editing and git with GitHub.
19:07 gerard             Any mods I should definitely get?
19:08 Cylus              I use Gedit/Gitorius, myself.
19:08 Calinou            text editor Geany, image editor GIMP, hosting Gitorious
19:08 Calinou            I use my own syntax highlighting scheme 8)
19:09 Cylus              Oh, yeah, I forgot about textures. GIMP definitely comes in handy for those.
19:09 Nemin32            Calinou: Groovy
19:09 Nemin32            I use Paint.Net for images, howewer GIMP is very nice too.
19:10 gerard             GIMPs really nice with settings+plugins+theme
19:10 Calinou            for sounds, Audacity
19:10 gerard             I guess you all have a lot of mods installed?
19:10 Calinou            not really
19:11 Calinou            Carbone, my mods (when using other games), that's pretty much it
19:11 Nemin32            gerard: You should get: moreblock, moretrees, moreores, technic, pipeworks, carts, item_drops. There are more GREAT mods, however this is maybe the most "basic" you can get.
19:11 Calinou            moreores is considered outdated, will soon be phased out
19:11 Calinou            (the ores won't go away, but will be in another mod)
19:11 Calinou            however, maptools is important
19:11 Calinou            it has admin pickaxe, which digs instantly
19:12 Cylus              Item_drop is horribly annoying. I recommend against getting that one.
19:12 gerard             Mobs?
19:12 Nemin32            Calinou: Why wont be it updated?
19:12 Nemin32            gerard: Oh yea simple mobs.
19:12 Calinou            I don't have much interest for it, I think there are enough ores in the default game; the mod was created back when there was only coal, iron and Mese
19:12 gerard             Technic post doesn't actually say what it is aha
19:12 Calinou            Cylus, Carbone bundles a partial item_drop
19:13 Calinou            you collect items when walking on them (with a fix!) but dug stuff instantly goes to inventory
19:13 Nemin32            gerard: Yes, you need to figure out some thing, but it will be self explanatory.
19:13 Cylus              Calinou: What does Carborn do?
19:13 Calinou            Nemin32, my fork of Simple Mobs works way better, performs better, uses sounds in a smarter way
19:13 Calinou            better balance too
19:13 Calinou            https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9656
19:13 Nemin32            Calinou: Thx
19:13 Calinou            https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9033 → Carbone is a game, meant to replace minetest_game
19:14 gerard             Do you guys play on servers then?
19:14 VanessaE_          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9196 --> Dreambuilder is a game, meant to beat the shit out of your PC ;)
19:15 gerard             Are these minetest+mods+improvements?
19:15 Nemin32            Calinou: I am maybe a layman, but is it compatible with other mods?
19:16 VanessaE_          the first is a mod.  the second two are games that run on the minetest engine
19:16 Calinou            it is compatible with all mods that aren' shipped with it, or that don't replicate the same function
19:17 Nemin32            VanessaE_: Dreambuilder looks really neat, however sadly i need a lightweight game as my pc is a bit oldish.
19:17 gerard             Calinou, should I download rather than Minetest?
19:18 Nemin32            gerard: You still need minetest.
19:18 Calinou            no, you still need to download Minetest
19:18 Calinou            think of it as game logic
19:18 Calinou            you get an engine, Minetest, which lets you run game logic
19:18 Calinou            minetest_game is game logic; so is Carbone; so is Dreambuilder
19:19 Nemin32            Calinou: Interesting, the carbone page says it uses Simple Mobs? Is the page outdated?
19:20 Calinou            oh
19:20 Calinou            it's technically a fork of it
19:21 Nemin32            But actually its yours?
19:21 gerard             Calinou, where do I extract to...
19:21 Nemin32            I mean its your fork in the game
19:21 Calinou            extract the .zip to the games directory of your Minetest installation
19:22 Nemin32            Calinou: Installing Carbone now :)
19:23 Nemin32            Its the bone of a car.
19:23 gerard             Calinou, now what?
19:23 Calinou            create a new world with the game Carbone
19:23 Calinou            you can change it in the world creation menu
19:24 Calinou            Nemin32, French for “carbon”. that's all
19:24 Calinou            pronounce like you'd pronounce carbon
19:24 Krock              carboon
19:24 Nemin32            Calinou: I know :D
19:24 gerard             So mods don't affect online? If I go on a server and changes to like Inventory will revert back?
19:25 Jordach            gerard, connecting to a server will provide the modifications for you
19:25 Krock              server controls which mods exist and which not
19:25 Jordach            you generally do not need extra mods provided by said server
19:25 Nemin32            Calinou: Oh, my beautiful textures.
19:25 PenguinDad         gerard: mods are server-side in minetest
19:25 Calinou            Nemin32, you can use the textures on any game, on any server
19:25 gerard             Only been in 2 servers but there didn't seem to be any?
19:26 Calinou            https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9428
19:27 Nemin32            Calinou: Yep, i saw that thanks. Can i use it on an existing map? Im hosting a server to play with my friends, and we are very much further into the game, and we dont want to abandon it :(
19:27 twoelk             gerard: you may want to study the pic of popular mods on servers here http://wiki.minetest.net/Mods and follow the link of "mods list" to a wip list that Sokomine has extended with listing by mod-categories
19:29 gerard             Calinou, so I have to apply mods to your folder?
19:30 Calinou            Nemin32, game can be used on existing maps (by editing world.mt), but your chests will not work
19:30 Calinou            (likely)
19:30 Calinou            locked chests are likely to not even be able to be opened
19:30 Calinou            and old furnaces/chests will have an ugly inventory
19:30 Calinou            gerard, you add _your_ mods to the mods/ directory, always, never in a game directory.
19:30 Nemin32            Well all furnances are replaced by technic furnances
19:31 gerard             Calinou, and they apply to the main and your game?
19:31 twoelk             dont forget ingame mods
19:31 twoelk             and in-map mods :-P
19:31 gerard             D:
19:32 gerard             This is a confusing setup
19:32 twoelk             hehe
19:33 gerard             where is the mod folder on linux D:
19:33 Calinou            ~/.minetest/mods
19:33 Calinou            ~/.minetest/games
19:33 Calinou            extract Carbone here ^
19:33 Calinou            Nemin32, you can try installing Carbone, then changing the game id
19:34 Calinou            you won't benefit from map generation improvements and such :(
19:34 Nemin32            Fortunately, after a brief conversation with my friends, we decided to begin a new map, so the issue is solved :)
19:34 ispn               sfan5: hey, all OK? Can I help out somehow?
19:35 gerard             Minetest only has cache, client and worlds?
19:35 Nemin32            Can i check the achievements somehow?
19:35 sfan5              ispn: i'm trying to make it work right now, I don't quite understand every aspect of the obj format works
19:35 gerard             Calinou,  Minetest only has cache, client and worlds?
19:36 ispn               sfan5: What language are you using? Python by any chance?
19:38 sfan5              ispn: yes
19:39 Calinou            gerard, create the directory
19:39 Calinou            if it doesn't exist
19:39 ispn               sfan5: Thats' great. If you have positional data of the cubes in Minetest, then getting this data to make objects in Blender directly should be fairly easy.
19:39 Calinou            ispn, sfan5 is a Python pro
19:39 ispn               Calinou: :D
19:39 sfan5              Calinou: wow
19:39 Calinou            if you want to make Minetest renders from Blender, you'll also need .mtl support for materials
19:40 ispn               Calinou: not a priority for me atm, but would be epic to get Cycles renders of maps.
19:40 ispn               sfan5: can you get Blender to launch? Do you install it, compile, or use binary from site?
19:41 sfan5              ispn: distro package (arch), I use ffmpeg-git but blender depends on the old ffmpeg
19:41 sfan5              I'll compile blender from git
19:41 ispn               sfan5: get binary if you can, easy, can keep a lot of versions in folders.
19:41 sfan5              ispn: if you could tell me how to create a .obj file that defines cubes with materials that would be great
19:41 sfan5              I'll try that too
19:43 Nemin32            Calinou: Will there any problem if i accidentaly enable any mods that are part of the game?
19:43 sfan5              ispn: e.g. a function that takes a file object, coordinates and the material it should use
19:43 sfan5              that would be ideal
19:44 Calinou            Nemin32, the mod will be used… and you don't want that :(
19:44 Calinou            (it's worse!)
19:45 Nemin32            Ok i have disabled them i think, i only have my mods, technic and pipeworks on.
19:45 ispn               sfan5: I can try to look that up, but not much experience with obj
19:45 sfan5              ispn: it doesn't need to be .obj, any format you can work with works
19:46 sfan5              o/
19:46 sfan5              blender loaded
19:46 ispn               sfan5: you can do it internally in blender
19:46 ispn               sfan5: best/quickest way
19:46 MinetestBot        GIT: st.rentsch@hotmail.com commited to minetest/minetest: Fix the *CDP display 6c5f79f 2014-08-15T21:46:04+02:00 http://git.io/4pg-vg
19:46 sfan5              wait
19:46 sfan5              I think it's working
19:47 ispn               sfan5: If you can see the cube and welcome screenwe're home
19:47 sfan5              I see the formation I built
19:47 sfan5              yay
19:47 sfan5              but no colors
19:48 ispn               :D
19:48 ispn               sfan5: do you have any experience with moving inside blender? Interaface and such?
19:48 sfan5              ispn: a bit
19:49 ispn               sfan5: viewport will not show textures by default, and I found that importing obj with materials often fails
19:50 ispn               sfan5: you'll need some api, you can script blender to spawn objects at said coordinates.
19:50 ispn               Gethiox: you still here?
19:51 sfan5              it just ignores my color :/
19:51 ispn               http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_67_1/
19:51 sfan5              now some of them are blue :/
19:51 ispn               sfan5: obj is like this, I got just material data in that package you sent, no textures or anything. It's a peice of crap.
19:52 sfan5              ispn: there are no textures
19:52 sfan5              the nodes are supposed to have a color
19:52 Calinou            there's a FPS mode in Blender now
19:52 ispn               sfan5: ahh, ok.
19:52 Calinou            but collision is very buggy
19:52 Calinou            also a fly mode, this one works well
19:52 sfan5              newmtl wool__blue
19:52 sfan5              Ka 0.000000 0.305882 0.596078
19:52 sfan5              it's supposed to have a color
19:53 ispn               sfan5: adding cube in Blender looks like this: bpy.ops.mesh.primitive_cube_add(radius=1, view_align=False, enter_editmode=False, location=(0, 0, 0), layers=(True, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False, False))
19:53 ispn
19:55 ispn               In the bottom window on the left (timeline) you have a clock icon. Click it, and choose "info". You'll see all the commands Blender performs.
19:55 ispn               sfan5: ↑
19:55 sfan5              mhm
19:56 MattJ              Hmm, does anyone know how to run minetestserver in creative mode??
19:56 MattJ              s/?$//
19:56 Calinou            MattJ, creative_mode = true
19:56 Calinou            in minetest.conf
19:56 MattJ              Ah, thanks
19:57 ispn               sfan5: in the same area you can choose python console, or text editor. You can write python scripts in the text editor.
19:57 Megaf              Hi all
19:57 Megaf              Im looking for a way to help players on unstable connections
19:57 Megaf              to avoid them timing out
19:58 sfan5              Megaf: raise the timeout
19:58 ispn               sfan5: if you had .blend files for all the bricks and models you want, then you could import or append filename at coordinates, complete with colors and textures.
19:58 ispn               sfan5: you could dynamically create them in blender but that would be overkill :P
19:58 sfan5              YES!
19:59 ispn               sfan5: + you could use custom meshes like that water tap if you had coords for it.
20:00 sfan5              ispn: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ko17UJ77gTF8.png
20:00 sfan5              this is the structure I built
20:00 sfan5              (out of wool nodes)
20:00 ispn               sfan5: :D EPIC!
20:00 Nemin32            Well, gtg, Bye, thanks for everything!
20:00 sfan5              had to set diffuse color not ambient
20:01 sfan5              or maybe turning on ambien light might have helped
20:01 sfan5              anyway..
20:02 twoelk             Jordach , time to open your .blend mt-nodes library
20:02 ispn               Heh, this is crazy, but if you'd link objects from external .blend files and position them on coordinates, then you could sculpt the linked file, or normalmap it, etc... and then render... :P
20:03 ispn               sfan5: people could easily make photorealistic renders with this workflow.
20:03 blaise             15:02:45: ERROR[main]: core.deserialize(): ...sr/share/games/minetest/builtin/common/serialize.lua:181: [string "return { ["animal_big_red:big_red"] = { [1.4110470848521e+14] =..."]:1: ']' expected near '<eof>'
20:03 blaise             :\
20:04 Calinou            sfan5, is this schematic export, or world exporT?
20:04 Calinou            schematic export is limited, only small to medium buildings…
20:04 sfan5              Calinou: schematic, but mts
20:04 sfan5              mts schematics are fast to export
20:05 blaise             15:02:45: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Failed to load and run /var/lib/minetest/.minetest/mods/animals_modpack/mob_slime/init.lua                                                                                                                                                         │
20:06 blaise             :(
20:06 Calinou            why are your mods in /var/lib
20:06 Calinou            what is this path
20:06 Calinou            sfan5, can't export large worlds?
20:07 twoelk             doesn't LUA have some limit to the file-size it can process?
20:07 gerard             Calinou, didn't you recommend Technic? Why isn't it in your thingy?
20:08 sfan5              twoelk: Lua*
20:08 sfan5              Calinou: large worlds?
20:08 sfan5              !c 0xffff
20:08 MinetestBot        65535
20:08 sfan5              up to 65535x65535x65535
20:09 twoelk             I had to split my large imports to some 1 million lines with the old WE format
20:10 twoelk             that resulted in some 64mb files
20:11 gerard             Do I remove the '-master' from mods?
20:11 twoelk             the original mc export was 500mb and WE would backout
20:12 sfan5              gerard: rename them
20:12 sfan5              twoelk: if you don't need inventories of chests use the mts
20:12 sfan5              format
20:12 sfan5              much faster
20:12 gerard             sfan5, thats what I mean- do I rename them?
20:13 twoelk             if you have a *.we > *.mts converter
20:13 ispn               testing blender with 21500 cubes, no performace loss in viewport but operations on large selections are sloooow.
20:13 twoelk             it took 4 hours to create the export from mc
20:13 sfan5              gerard: rename the folder the mod is in
20:15 gerard             Why do they put "-master" in? Something to do with github, right?
20:18 Calinou            gerard, no, I never did
20:18 Calinou            gerard, yes
20:18 gerard             Oh right- do I need it with your game?
20:18 ispn               sfan5: were you using PyWavefront for this?
20:18 Calinou            not at all
20:18 sfan5              ispn: no
20:19 sfan5              building geometry...
20:19 sfan5              verts:168392 faces:168392 materials: 12 smoothgroups:0 ...
20:19 sfan5              this is going to take a while
20:20 jp                 what size for your MC export, twoelk ?
20:20 ispn               sfan5: what lib then?
20:20 sfan5              ispn: none at all
20:22 gerard             You guys on any servers I can join?
20:22 sfan5              ispn: my application just reads an .mts file and generates an .obj and .mtl
20:22 sfan5              !server
20:22 MinetestBot        sfan5: Clip Public Server | 188.40.69.134 | Clients: 17/24, 15/23 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 23ms
20:22 ispn               sfan: [21:39:16] <Calinou> ispn, sfan5 is a Python pro <- trufact
20:22 sfan5              there you have a randomly selected one, gerard
20:22 sfan5              !server players:most
20:22 MinetestBot        sfan5: Xanadu | 98.166.169.32 | Clients: 34/35, 32/34 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 101ms
20:22 sfan5              ..or the one with the most players
20:23 sfan5              finished importing: b'/home/stefan/minetest/worlds/meow/schems/test.obj' in 205.7900 sec.
20:24 ispn               sfan5: I would probably try to do it with blender libs, but at my level it would be easier to generate those cubes manually -_-
20:24 gerard             Just hoping I could join one with someone as joining a new server at spawn is always shitty
20:24 Krock              gerard:
20:24 Krock              !server krock
20:24 MinetestBot        Krock: Krock's Ultimative Platform | minetest.ntdll.net | Clients: 12/25, 10/16 | Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base | Ping: 386ms
20:25 gerard             Why can't you copy and paste -_-
20:25 ispn               sfan5: if you complete this, and it works, then I owe you a modelling/texturing job (work sample http://blenderartists.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=262459&d=1380593279 )
20:26 sfan5              wow
20:27 gerard             bro why did u tak a pic of a kidz toy n upload it
20:27 gerard             How long did that take?
20:28 PenguinDad         Looks like it has a beak \o/
20:29 sfan5              ispn: I'm not sure what this is, but it is from a minetest world: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/daDDDnOMvItb.png
20:29 sfan5              looks like I messed up some coordinate stuff
20:29 ispn               gerard: if you're referring to that robot...  far too long, I had no concept so I was improvising. Whole thread: http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?310680-BlenderCookie-Robot-Contest-WIP-thread
20:30 Calinou            191485 users on freenode, 1278 channels with at least 50 users
20:30 gerard             ispn, just a hobby?
20:30 ispn               sfan5: yessss :D
20:31 ispn               gerard: yeah, most of the time doing CAD stuff in blender. Tried into gaming industry, no time to polish skills though. And no good local companies.
20:31 gerard             So you do that as your job, just not characters?
20:33 ispn               gerard: sculpting is for fun, the job is teaching about blender and 3d printing, and fixing fucked up meshes from clients/designing things from drawings. I also 3d print stuff, machine stuff... lots of things. jack of all trades, master of none.
20:34 Krock              <gerard>Why can't you copy and paste -_-
20:34 Krock              linux user?
20:34 gerard             Yep
20:34 gerard             Krock, am kioty in your server btw
20:34 Krock              ah good to know
20:35 gerard             damn, didn't know esc would completely quit
20:35 gerard             Krock, so you can't paste on linux?
20:36 Krock              gerard, yes. It seems to be a linux-only-fail
20:36 ispn               gerard: if you want more stuff then blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?313901-snsd-sketchbook
20:36 Krock              I have a perfect copypasta here on windows
20:38 Calinou            if you see gaming as an industry, it may not be so good
20:38 Krock              gaming _is_ an industry
20:39 gerard             ispn, seriously blows my mind- did basic stuff when i tried to be one of those "youtube gfx artists" in c4d
20:42 Megaf              Calinou: somethings is wrong with you git, when I try to git pull moreblocks or moreores, gits asks me for my git login and then fails
20:43 twoelk             jp: uh? was afk, the original we file describes some 16000000 blocks and is 500mb large
20:44 ispn               gerard: naah, this stuff is just cheating. I learned a few tricks and run off them, never progressed far to gain more proficiency. Compare and contrast: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129561&page=304
20:44 sfan5              ispn: it did this to my brick house: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/gsQ2FTHMkb42.png :(
20:44 PenguinDad         Megaf: do you still use the Github urls?
20:45 Megaf              yes, whats wrong with that?
20:45 ispn               sfan5: huh, strange
20:45 gerard             ispn, you guys talking randomly btw or is it somehow related to the game?
20:46 ispn               gerard: not randomly. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9923
20:46 PenguinDad         Megaf: the github repos got deleted
20:46 Megaf              oh dear why?
20:47 Megaf              github is pwerfect
20:47 Megaf              perfect
20:47 PenguinDad         Because they moved to gitorious
20:47 ispn               sfan5: what happened with this? wrecked coords? Imported part of bricks only?
20:47 Megaf              why people are moving to gitorious?
20:47 gerard             ispn, I have to ask why there's such a big push for coding and the likes for kids? Isn't teens young enough? Is there a shortage?
20:48 sfan5              ispn: I'm trying to figure that out
20:48 Megaf              why are people moving to gitorious?
20:48 Krock              why are people moving to gitorious?
20:48 PenguinDad         Megaf: because it's opensource
20:48 PenguinDad         *FLOSS
20:49 Jordach            ispn, if you want goddamn voxel stuff in Blender the one person who was never asked is about
20:49 Krock              "Als Floß (Pl.: Flöße) bezeichnet man ein einfaches Wasserfahrzeug"
20:49 Calinou            becuase its backend is published under AGPL 3
20:49 Krock              lol
20:49 Calinou            unlike GitHub which keeps it under secrecy
20:49 Calinou            also, hosted in Norway.
20:49 Calinou            not US.
20:49 Calinou            better terms of use
20:50 Calinou            GitHub is _far_ from perfect
20:50 gerard             I still don't understand the whole OpenSource thing D: Now i'm on linux everyones crazy about FREE LIKE FREEDOM
20:50 Calinou            (nothing is perfect.°
20:50 ispn               gerard: because it's applied maths. It does maths, it does physics, it does engineering, all in one package. Kids grow up with this ability, it re-wires their brains so they are more effective later on in this task. I could do 300% more in blender if I knew how to Python.
20:50 ispn               gerard: but I'm more about 3d printing
20:50 ispn               Jordach: o/
20:50 gerard             ispn, learn to be a Python then, silly
20:51 Jordach            ispn, i find it's better to manually assemble the model in Blender than it is with other methods
20:51 gerard             Related to Minetest; have people implemented stuff like minigames yet?
20:51 ispn               gerard: learning. But other tasks + kids and family now. Time for learning was earlier, and I was stupid. Got other skills though.
20:52 sfan5              ispn: likely wrong coords, these are supposed to be chars reading 'MEOW': https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ZiLSxIv-8pJL.png
20:52 ispn               Jordach: the objective is to transfer the map from Minetest into Blender, either as mesh or a bunch of cubes.
20:53 PenguinDad         sfan5: abstract art? ;)
20:53 sfan5              PenguinDad: yes
20:53 Jordach            ispn, it's possible to modify jmc2obj to use MT maps and not MC maps
20:53 sfan5              ispn: too much work
20:53 sfan5              Jordach*
20:53 sfan5              I mena
20:53 sfan5              mean*
20:53 sfan5              Jordach: it's easier to just write an alternative
20:53 sfan5              Jordach: mine already works pretty good
20:53 sfan5              but it messes up coords smhow
20:54 sfan5              Jordach: see this abstract art: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ZiLSxIv-8pJL.png7
20:54 twoelk             Jordach you did read https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9923?
20:55 ispn               sfan5: they got clustered together it seems, as if the origin point was same for all cube types. Can't tell without seeing the code. But then again, possibly couldn't tell seeing the code either :P
20:55 Megaf              Calinou: ok then
20:55 Megaf              lets all move to Gitorious
20:56 Megaf              VanessaE_: what do you think?
20:56 ispn               Jordach: imvho the best way would be to script blender to spawn cubes (or link objects from .blend files) in coords taken from Minetest map.
20:56 VanessaE_          naw
20:56 VanessaE_          too much work.
20:56 * twoelk           saves abstract art
20:56 Megaf              there should be a way to seamless move to gitorious
20:56 ispn               twoelk: lol
20:57 twoelk             sfan5: what was the original in mt?
20:57 ispn               twoelk: no jokes, this is history happening.
20:57 * twoelk           is fascinated by the process
20:58 sfan5              twoelk: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/DIqaaq0kh6x4.png
20:59 ispn               sfan5: I'm worried that it got displaced in more than 1 axis :/
20:59 sfan5              yeah
20:59 twoelk             now that is a nice puzzle
20:59 PenguinDad         let your students resolve that :P
21:01 sfan5              ispn: only selecting the letters (without any un-needed sorrounding air) leads to this https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vQafW7B7Vyrt.png
21:01 sfan5              maybe I got offsets really mixed up
21:02 ispn               sfan5: but hey, wait, it's 3 rows only... so this could mean fucked up rotations/origin points... I noticed that your cube was spawned with origin point (axis 0) in a corner, not in the middle, so not maintaining the... okay, never mind, those letters are fucked.
21:02 twoelk             hm, those there could be a move by 1 horizontal every 2 levels
21:02 twoelk             plus some more
21:02 sfan5              lemme swap some axis
21:03 sfan5              hm
21:04 twoelk             eh? how many orange cubes should there be?
21:04 twoelk             10 for the O?
21:04 ispn               yeah, exactly, do the cubes sum up? lemme count...
21:05 ispn               yeah, they do
21:07 sfan5              ispn: it's not the obj generating code
21:07 sfan5              creating a worldedit schematic from the coords and node names leads to the same
21:07 sfan5              off = (z + y*depth + x*depth*height) * 2
21:07 sfan5              that is wrong
21:07 gerard             oh lord just found my 'gfx' "portfolio"
21:08 sfan5              order is ZYX
21:08 sfan5              every entry is 2 byte
21:08 sfan5              s
21:08 ispn               ahhh, so it's the data format (<- slowloris.jpg)
21:08 ispn               Misinterpreted matrix?
21:09 ispn               gerard: bring it on!
21:09 gerard             ispn, http://concentrationdesigns.daportfolio.com/gallery/755048#3
21:10 gerard             I really need to wipe that shit from the internet
21:12 gerard             I feel sorry for the one that payed $15
21:12 ispn               gerard: I don't think this stuff is bad.
21:12 ispn               gerard: it's standard grade youtube stuff people pay for.
21:13 gerard             The 'speedart' section is the TERRIBLE section- I admit I still like some of the backgrounds
21:13 asl                anyone using drawing tool/software other than gimp?
21:13 gerard             ispn, was so much more to do on old Youtube backgrounds :/
21:14 ispn               gerard: re: speedart, yeah, man, you're right :D
21:15 gerard             ispn, it's like kids drawings colour in better
21:15 ispn               asl: depends what for
21:16 gerard             ispn, is the Cinema 4 D program at all similar to Blender?
21:16 ispn               gerard: Kind of, yeah. But then again, look at saladfingers. content>quality
21:17 sfan5              ispn: yay
21:17 gerard             asl, isn't Inkscape better for drawing?
21:17 ispn               gerard: taught one person who was using C4D, lots of problems in the beginning. Didn't use it myself, I think dissimilar. Hard like hell at first, but you're not likely to switch later :)
21:17 * twoelk           uses Inkscape a lot
21:17 asl                gerard: isn't that for vector image?
21:17 ispn               sfan5: showmeshowmeshowme :O
21:18 sfan5              ispn: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/uepmpA4owU5q.png
21:18 * sfan5            swapped ZYX with XYZ
21:18 gerard             ispn, think I mostly followed tutorials on getting 'COOL' text
21:18 ispn               sfan5: y e s s s
21:18 ispn               :D
21:19 asl                i used to use gimp but after i found out about krita (a few days ago), i decided to switch to it cause of the powerful stabilizer
21:19 gerard             ispn, it was really cool drawing something/creating the template then making it 3d though- just imagine anything more complex would take HOURS upon HOURS
21:19 Calinou            Inkscape is vector indeed, you can export to .png
21:19 Calinou            anime drawer's friend of course ;)
21:20 ispn               gerard: I got an order for a packshot once. I had a choice: 8 hours in photoshop or indefinite time in Blender and luxrender. 4 days later I knew Blender, 8 days later I knew luxrender. Client was happy.
21:20 twoelk             bah exporting a vector drawing to a pixel format is somewhat beyond the point
21:20 blaise             hey, so.. did snow ever get integrated into main minetest?
21:20 blaise             or what?
21:21 gerard             asl, why were you asking then? Just seen an article that said Krita was the best for drawing
21:21 ispn               sfan5: moar, please, mooooaaaarrrr!
21:21 gerard             ispn, gonna have to ask what a packshot is
21:22 ispn               gerard: nicely looking rendered or photographed package of a product for use in posters or catalogs.
21:22 ispn               gerard: yt has awesome blender tutorials, go for it.
21:22 asl                gerard: i only found out about krita a few days ago, there could be other editor which i never hear of that i could try,  krita use quite a bit of ram to run
21:23 gerard             ispn, my computer is.... poor. Minetest runs at 8-15fps, not sure it will handle it
21:23 Calinou            for making textures, GIMP is likely the most suited tool
21:23 Calinou            or ASEprite
21:24 ispn               gerard: don't fucking touch zbrush. If you ever merged diabetes, cancer, aids, bird flu, rabies and benzene poisoning blood diarrhea, you would get Zbrush's interface.
21:24 Calinou            Zbrush is proprietary
21:24 Calinou            Windows-only AFAIK
21:24 ispn               gerard: just limits number of polys you can use. blender is lightweight. you can do low poly or use optimization tricks and render on your neighbour's 6 core xeon.
21:25 gerard             ispn, but zbrush " has revolutionized the 3D industry with its powerful features and intuitive workflows" (guess you disagree ahaha)
21:25 asl                Calinou: krita has a Wrap-Around Mode which is useful for textures
21:26 asl                i don't recall gimp having anything like that though
21:26 ispn               gerard: well, it did. It's really powerful and superbly optimized, but the interface design team should really quit mixing meth and shrooms with turp injections.
21:27 ispn               gerard: it's worse than gimp
21:27 gerard             ispn, what's so bad about gimp?
21:27 ispn               :>
21:28 ispn               GTK.
21:28 Calinou            http://images.wikia.com/mlpfanart/images/4/41/Rainbow_Dash_haters_gonna_hate.gif
21:28 asl                ispm: what's so bad about GTK?
21:28 blaise             lol
21:28 ispn               No, sorry, I'm not going into this rant again :D It won't fix anything, I just don't like gimp's ideology.
21:28 gerard             Ideology doesn't affect my use :P
21:29 blaise             Calinou: I use kvirc for my irc client and my avatar is an animated gif of dash
21:29 blaise             XD
21:29 Calinou            heh
21:29 gerard             are you a 9 year old girl? :3
21:30 blaise             actually I'm a 35 year old man
21:30 blaise             heh
21:30 gerard             Oh so you have a 9y/o daughter ;)
21:30 sfan5              ispn: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/c8a647deadbdddf1e05a
21:30 blaise             no, I have a 3 month old son
21:30 ispn               sfan5: lookign
21:30 ispn               *looking
21:30 Calinou            no law forbids watching “girls' shows”
21:30 asl                the avatar ctcp that is only use by kvirc is annoying tbh
21:31 gerard             i is gonna hax your code
21:31 Calinou            HexChat here 8)
21:31 Calinou            more GTK+!
21:31 blaise             but I got tired of looking for good animated gif's to use
21:31 gerard             Xchat... it came with my OS
21:31 blaise             I connect kvirc to znc.. which runs all hte time
21:32 Calinou            XChat is no longer maintained, old
21:32 blaise             before that I used irssi, before that it was bitchx, before that it was EPIC (ircII fork) with the amnesiac script
21:32 gerard             It... works.
21:32 blaise             wasn't hexchat the xchat replacement?
21:32 Calinou            yes it is
21:33 gerard             I was using XP till 3 days ago- think I can deal with an old IRC client :P
21:33 Calinou            well, XChat is like XP
21:33 Calinou            unsupported, no updates
21:33 blaise             lol
21:34 Calinou            but this time you can't edit registry to make Microsoft think you're using the Industry version of XChat
21:34 Calinou            :(
21:34 gerard             Never did that anyway?
21:34 blaise             I used to run OS/2 4...
21:34 blaise             on one of my machines
21:34 blaise             now I'm all linux..
21:35 blaise             source based distro's ftw
21:35 blaise             I switched to linux in... ... 94?
21:35 gerard             3days into Xubuntu
21:35 Calinou            Xubuntu is cool
21:35 ispn               sfan5: how does it reference the chunk of the map that's going to be cut? Can't see this in arguments, though I see something that describes it...
21:36 blaise             I would pick Mint over *buntu
21:36 gerard             Maybe i'll swap at some time... But it's basically a browser + everynowandthen GIMP machine- so don't think it really matters
21:36 ispn               sfan5: Would you like to post it in the thread on forum at this stage?
21:36 gerard             Sad but the Mint website put me of...
21:37 blaise             but I went from SuSE (before novel got involved and they started calling themselves opensuse) to gentoo, which at the time was called enoch..
21:37 blaise             now I run either gentoo, or funtoo
21:37 ispn               sfan5: also: you've got no idea how grateful I am for this :]
21:38 gerard             blaise, I just didn't like the mint website+pictures(weird 3d logo on windows)- which put me off. Maybe I should've though about it on more than that
21:38 * blaise           shrugs
21:39 Calinou            <blaise> I would pick Mint over *buntu
21:39 Calinou            Mint is total crap, managed by a French-speaking guy who hates translated software.
21:39 Calinou            that's all.
21:39 Calinou            use Xubuntu if you don't want Ubuntu
21:39 blaise             I would use it over any ubuntu variant due to the fact that they have the proprietary drivers readily available on the install media
21:39 blaise             but that's not legal everywhere
21:39 Calinou            you never actually need that
21:39 Calinou            install process doesn't require any 3D anyway
21:40 blaise             yeah, but if you don't have internet, then it's nice to have on disc/usb
21:40 SylvieLorxu        Funny, that's exactly why I don't want Mint :P
21:40 gerard             Can you run linux off a usb and install things without it reverting?
21:40 Calinou            yes and no
21:40 Calinou            it's tricky
21:40 Calinou            depending on distributions
21:41 blaise             if you install to the usb flash drive like it's a hard drive, yes.
21:42 gerard             So I could that from linux- rather than creating a normal live USB thing
21:42 blaise             I have an i686 compatable funtoo install on a 16GB guerilla flash drive that's impact/water proof that will boot on just about anything that is x86
21:42 blaise             as long as the machine will boot usb media that is..
21:43 sfan5              ispn: feel free to post it on the forums, create an .mts schematic with worldedit
21:43 blaise             oh, hey..
21:43 sfan5              (with //mtsschemcreate)
21:43 blaise             I was using this u_skins mod..
21:43 sfan5              for further ref see worldedit chat commands.md
21:43 sfan5              good night
21:43 * twoelk           is of trying to play with the new toy mt2obj.py
21:43 blaise             and I tried to update the list of skins with the included python script..
21:43 * sfan5            meows at twoelk
21:43 blaise             it totally failed
21:43 ispn               sfan5: ok, will research. Thanks and good night!
21:44 gerard             I remember years ago I used some linux type iso to go into an old computer and see the passwords- didn't even realise it was a whole different OS until now. If would have realized I would have installed an OS and wiped the old one....
21:46 gerard             blaise, what's your relation to this game? Just play it or mod it and stuff- weird how this chat is about a simple minecraft type game full off <13y/o but it feels like some tech chat
21:47 blaise             !server MidnightSystems
21:47 MinetestBot        blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 2/25, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 736ms
21:47 gerard             ? yours
21:47 blaise             gerard: I play it.. don't really have the time to work on mods
21:47 blaise             yes
21:48 blaise             !up midnightsystems.net
21:48 MinetestBot        midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (468ms)
21:48 gerard             Do mods eventually get put in the game? Seems like a lot of useful/basic features
21:49 Calinou            rarely, but it does happen
21:50 Megaf              good night everyone
21:53 blaise             what time is 18000 ?
21:54 blaise             is that 6:00pm ?
21:54 gerard             Thats not a time
21:54 gerard             1800?
21:54 gerard             Yes, 6pm- silly USAians
22:02 ulla               hi all
22:02 ulla               can help me?'''''
22:02 VanessaE_          what help do you need
22:02 VanessaE_          ?
22:03 ulla               hi
22:03 ulla               i have problem whit init.lua srry i am new in kubuntu and in minetest
22:04 ulla               mod cart no start for init lua error
22:05 VanessaE_          please use pastebin.com or a similar site and put the full text of the error there.
22:05 ulla               you can help me?
22:05 PenguinDad         <3 https://soundcloud.com/edm/savant-synesthesia-edm-premiere
22:05 VanessaE_          and then give us the link to the error so we can look at it
22:05 blaise             gerard: I mean with the minetest server command /time
22:06 gerard             blaise, oh god sorry, surely its still 1800- why an extra 0?
22:07 PenguinDad         blaise: yes 18000 is 18 o'clock when using /time
22:07 VanessaE_          ulla: in your home directory, in ~/.minetest is debug.txt.  find this file, look at the last 20 or so lines of it.  use a pastebin site like the one I just mentioned, paste those lines to that site, hit "submit" or "Paste!" or whatever the button is, and then give us the link to the page that is displayed.
22:07 blaise             PenguinDad: ty very much
22:07 ulla               ook i try
22:07 blaise             I want my server to have real time change
22:08 blaise             and, I wanted to set it to my local time
22:08 blaise             :)
22:08 h4iku              hi all
22:09 ulla               23:38:30: ERROR[main]: mod "extranodes" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "moreblocks" 23:38:30: ERROR[main]: mod "technic" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "pipeworks" 23:38:30: ERROR[main]: mod "technic_chests" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "pipeworks" 23:38:30: ERROR[main]: mod "wrench" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "technic" "technic_chests" [MOD] WorldEdit loaded! 23:38:30: ERROR[main]: ========== ERROR FROM LUA =========== 23:38:
22:09 VanessaE_          ulla: nonono use a pastebin service like pastebin.com or pastebin.ubuntu.com
22:09 VanessaE_          put your paste there first
22:09 VanessaE_          then give us the address
22:09 h4iku              someone knows how to use the jungle's mod? I have it installed now.
22:10 ulla               ok 1 mom
22:10 VanessaE_          h4iku: don't use a jungles mod.  just turn it on in your mapgen settings.
22:11 VanessaE_          h4iku: in your world folder, map_meta.txt, mgv6_spflags = jungles (plus the other stuff that was there)
22:13 ulla               http://pastebin.com/fArVDDmC
22:13 h4iku              Oh thanks VanessaE_ and congratulations for your job. I check the file, and it says "nojungles"
22:13 VanessaE_          h4iku: just change that to jungles.
22:13 ulla               vanessa
22:13 h4iku              VanessaE_: I already replaced, thanks a lot
22:13 VanessaE_          save, and if you want to start with a clean map you can simply delete map.sqlite
22:14 VanessaE_          ulla: I am looking now.
22:14 ulla               ok
22:14 h4iku              VanessaE_: But is not possible to keep the current map and use jungles?
22:14 ulla               :-P
22:14 VanessaE_          ulla: um, you pasted the entire file and the bottom part got lost.  please try again , but only paste the bottom part.
22:14 VanessaE_          h4iku: sure, you can keep the current map.
22:14 ulla               ok
22:15 VanessaE_          h4iku: you just won't see jungles appear in areas that have already been generated - but you can plant jungle saplings and they will grow.
22:15 VanessaE_          h4iku: I just meant that some people like to delete the map file after changing the mapgen settings is all.  you don't have to do that.
22:16 ulla               http://pastebin.com/TZA9HdG4
22:17 h4iku              Ok... with the changes in that file already runs or i need to do something on configuration inside the game?
22:17 h4iku              VanessaE_:
22:17 VanessaE_          h4iku: they take effect at the next time you load that map.
22:18 h4iku              VanessaE_: great, thanks a lot...
22:18 VanessaE_          ulla: your problem is this:  23:57:39: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "PilzAdam-mobs-c49cc47": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed.
22:18 VanessaE_          ulla: get rid of that mod.  it's outdated.
22:19 VanessaE_          instead, use the one from Calinou's Carbone game.
22:19 PenguinDad         ulla: better get Calinou's fork of it https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9656
22:19 VanessaE_          (download Carbone here, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=9033  and copy carbone/mods/mobs to your mods folder)
22:20 VanessaE_          bah, ninja'd
22:20 VanessaE_          ulla: use PenguinDad's link.
22:20 VanessaE_          ulla: also, don't use this:  23:57:08: ERROR[main]: ModError: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/ulla/.minetest/mods/PilzAdam-signs-60fe0c7/init.lua
22:20 VanessaE_          it's outdated also.
22:21 VanessaE_          use the signs_lib from homedecor modpack ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2041 )
22:22 VanessaE_          those are the only two issues I see at the moment, other than you're trying to use technic without the other mods it depends on
22:22 VanessaE_          get rid of technic for now also.
22:22 VanessaE_          you can re-install it later after you sort out those ^^^^^ two issues.
22:24 ulla               ok i try
22:24 VanessaE_          one step at a time :)
22:24 ulla               :-)
22:25 ulla               ty for now
22:25 VanessaE_          yw
22:25 twoelk             dont forget mod name convention
22:25 VanessaE_          that too
22:25 VanessaE_          you saw the error in mobs
22:26 VanessaE_          when you download a mod, always check the forum post for install instructions
22:26 VanessaE_          there will often be some mention there what to rename it to, and the proper name for the mod will be in the Subject/Topic line as well
22:26 VanessaE_          (the last item on the line, in [brackets])
22:27 VanessaE_          the reason they get named wrong is because of github.  that site insists on renaming the folder when it creates the zip file that you download
22:28 VanessaE_          (and sometimes authors screw them up too)
22:30 gerard             does it always add "-master"?
22:30 VanessaE_          no
22:30 VanessaE_          -master is just the branch name you downloaded
22:30 VanessaE_          some authors don't use that name for their mainline branch
22:31 VanessaE_          Zefram_fysh uses "use" for his mainline branch name on his repositories (or zefram/use, I forget which is correcgt)
22:31 VanessaE_          -g
22:32 VanessaE_          if I point someone at an experimental download, it will most likely not have -master at the end but something else.
22:33 ulla               i have deleted  pliz adam signs and pilzadam farm and pilzadam mobs
22:34 RealBadAngel       pilzadam will be dissappointed ;)
22:35 ulla               but the problem is 00:31:18: ERROR[main]: ModError: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/ulla/.minetest/mods/cart/init.lua
22:35 ulla               i wnt cart in my minetest
22:37 PenguinDad         ulla: rename the folder to carts
22:37 ulla               ?
22:38 VanessaE_          ulla: carts, not cart.
22:38 VanessaE_          plural.
22:38 ulla               ok
22:39 ulla               00:38:15: ERROR[main]: ModError: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/ulla/.minetest/mods/calinou-carbone/init.lua
22:40 * PenguinDad       headdesks
22:40 VanessaE_          carbone is not a mod.
22:40 VanessaE_          carbone is a whole game,.
22:40 VanessaE_          just copy the mobs out of it.
22:40 VanessaE_          put the rest of the folder off somewhere that you can get bits of it later.
22:41 ispn               Hey, does this channel have a bot that can leave memos for offline users?
22:41 VanessaE_          or just move the whole thing out of the way and use the link that PenguinDad gave you
22:41 ulla               lol srry for my noob
22:41 VanessaE_          ispn:  !tell <user> <message>
22:41 ispn               VanessaE_: thx!
22:42 VanessaE_          ulla: it's okay, but please read more carefully in the future,.
22:42 PenguinDad         ''tell ispn HLuaBot can do that too :P
22:42 HLuaBot            I'll tell that to "ispn" next time I see them around.
22:43 ispn               !tell sfan5 drop me a pm on the forum or catch me here tomorrow, you've got a 3d comission from me
22:43 MinetestBot        ispn: I'll pass that on when sfan5 is around
22:43 ispn               "tell sfan5 (if you want ofc :) )
22:44 PenguinDad         ^ does not use a monospace font
22:44 ispn               ''tell ispn test
22:44 HLuaBot            You can tell that to yourself!
22:44 ispn               ah ok
22:44 VanessaE_          haha
22:44 ispn               ''tell sfan5 (if you want ofc :) )
22:44 HLuaBot            I'll tell that to "sfan5" next time I see them around.
22:45 PenguinDad         Good night everyone!
22:45 VanessaE_          night
22:45 ispn               ''tell PenguinDad he should have said it was a trap
22:45 HLuaBot            I'll tell that to "PenguinDad" next time I see them around.
22:45 ispn               See ya!
22:45 ulla               i ty cart work now
22:46 blaise             hey, anyone know if there was anything better than the carts mod for the mese rail system yet?
22:46 ispn               And good night to all, going to sleep as well.
22:46 blaise             ispn: gn.. :)
23:25 MinetestBot        GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix #57 (thanks Zeno-!). https:/ 2014-08-15T19:23:23-04:00 http://git.io/jQha-g
23:41 VanessaE_          which is faster?  add_node(pos, { name = "air"}), or remove_node(pos)  ?
23:48 blaise             does technic have it's own rail system?
23:50 blaise             hrmm
23:50 blaise             should I go with carts or monorails ?
23:51 blaise             should I go with Pilzadams rail mod?