Time  Nick          Message
01:03 fireglow      Hi, I can't plant wheat seeds, where can I start debugging?
01:03 fireglow      farming_plus is installed
01:28 Miner_48er    fireglow are you able to get wheat seeds?
01:28 fireglow      yeah, they drop from time to time somewhere, and I can of course give them to myself
01:29 Miner_48er    ok what are you planting them on?
01:31 fireglow      tilled earth, it's gone that darker shade already
01:31 fireglow      I guess that means its saturated with water
01:32 Miner_48er    ok what version of minetest and minetest game?
01:32 fireglow      both 0.4.10
01:34 Miner_48er    is there any errors?
01:34 Miner_48er    Have you check debug.txt?
01:34 fireglow      no, the seeds don't vanish from the inventory, and only appear for a very short while on the earth itself, then disappear again
01:35 fireglow      oh wow, this is VERY verbose
01:36 fireglow      alright, I'll have to do this another time, there's ten people playing atm
01:37 fireglow      jesus, such verbosity...
02:46 kaeza         Miner_48er, I don't understand what the issue is
02:53 LazyJ         kaeza, when the GUI is used, walls of text listing every playername in Xban2's data is dumped into the logs.
02:54 LazyJ         This balloons the size of the logs and has made grepping them more difficult.
02:54 kaeza         LazyJ, https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-xban2/commit/dc874b538200eca3f65d5100ceeef3179c97b82c
02:54 kaeza         Miner_48er, next time, pls use pastebin ;_;
02:55 LazyJ         Ah. Thanks, kaeza ;)
02:56 LazyJ         I'll upload your update but the server is busy with players atm. I won't be able to report back the result until I can restart the server or after the nightly backup.
02:56 kaeza         hmm... seeing the huge as in HUGE formspec the command generates, it would be probably wise to limit the number of entries in the list(s)
02:57 LazyJ         Let me get yesterday's log on Dropbox for you to examine.
02:57 kaeza         no need to; I'm still getting Miner's paste ;_;
02:58 LazyJ         Ah. Ok.
02:59 LazyJ         What would be the consequences of limiting Xban2's data to just the players that are banned and temp banned instead of collecting every login?
03:00 LazyJ         Or... what about moving Xban2's data into a separate file/directory and not so much in the log?
03:01 kaeza         assume a player logs in with nick A and poses as a legit player, now he logs out and logs in with nick B, and griefs.
03:01 kaeza         you ban B, but A is still that same player, waiting to strike again
03:01 LazyJ         If capturing every login makes Xban2 function better and extended functions possible (like the GUI), maybe move that to a separate file?
03:02 kaeza         uh... it doesn't use the log at all
03:02 Miner_48er    http://pastebin.com/048fwwjJ
03:02 Miner_48er    ok
03:02 * kaeza       checks
03:02 Miner_48er    that's only half of it
03:02 Miner_48er    in the pm
03:04 kaeza         LazyJ, so... does it still print too much info to log? (ignoring that formspec debugging info)
03:04 LazyJ         I can't tell until I restart the server.
03:05 kaeza         whoa
03:05 LazyJ         Let me get something sorted and I'll login, announce a restart, and then see what the logs produce.
03:05 kaeza         Miner_48er, that "formspec" is ~220KB long :|
03:14 LazyJ         Ok, kaeza. The log isn't flooding. :)
03:14 kaeza         good :)
03:14 LazyJ         Now if you could work some of your magic on getting the ban reason to wrap in the formspec display. :D
03:15 kaeza         now `grep -v 'size\[.*' debug.txt > new_debug.txt`
03:15 LazyJ         Time stamp: then a couple words, then the rest of the reason is cut off.
03:16 kaeza         hmm
03:17 LazyJ         Both debug.txt and new_debug.txt are the same 4.0K.
03:18 LazyJ         Looks like the debug.txt is renewed each time the server is restarted.
03:18 kaeza         I guess a label could be added showing the currently selected reason; I'm off to bed now, I'll take a look at it tomorrow
03:18 LazyJ         Ok, thanks:
03:19 LazyJ         *thanks.
03:19 kaeza         sure :)
03:19 kaeza         night
03:19 LazyJ         G'night ;)
05:42 fling         Hello :>
05:42 fireglow      hi, I'm having another problem: I want to convert to sqlite, but I'm getting an error:  ERROR[main]: Migration to sqlite is not supported
05:42 fireglow      but the binary has the sqlite lib
05:42 fireglow      ldd /usr/local/bin/minetestserver | grep sqlite
05:42 fireglow      libsqlite3.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libsqlite3.so.0 (0x800cc4000)
05:45 fireglow      hmm
06:01 fling         Are you guys playing minetest_game or minecraft-like game or what? :P
06:04 ShadowNinja   fling: Most use minetest_game.  If you want something MC-like try minitest (it's old though).
06:04 ShadowNinja   fireglow: sqlite -> sqlite3
06:10 fireglow      ShadowNinja: cheers
06:10 fireglow      Migrated 25000 blocks 0.183983% completed
06:10 fireglow      lol, this will take a while
06:11 fireglow      that's okay
06:11 fling         ShadowNinja: is not there a mod that will add all the minecraft blocks?
06:12 fling         I'm about to convert my minecraft worlds and I want to keep all the blocks
06:57 LemonLake     miners look like they're working
06:57 fireglow      gold gold gold
06:58 LemonLake     hm
06:58 LemonLake     how can i load an unloaded block?
06:59 LemonLake     nvm, it just hit its limit pretty fast
07:03 sfan5         meow
07:03 sfan5         hi everyone
07:03 fireglow      gold gold gold, gold gold gold
07:03 fireglow      meow, sfan5
07:03 sfan5         !devoice
08:13 fireglow      If there are files for two db backends (say sqlite and leveldb) present in the world/ directory, which one will get preference?
08:15 sfan5         fireglow: the one selected by the backend setting in world.mt
08:16 fireglow      sfan5: okay cool, thanks
08:16 fireglow      sfan5: there's leveldb, sqlite3, what can I use for redis? "redis" or "hiredis"?
08:16 sfan5         redis
08:17 fireglow      okay
08:19 fling         sfan5: Hello.
08:19 sfan5         hello
08:21 fling         Should I use Redis if possible?
08:21 fireglow      same question, actually
08:21 fireglow      I just read about the 4 GB limit on sqlite...
08:25 fling         Redis operates as a single process and single-threaded. Therefore a single Redis instance cannot utilize parallel execution of tasks e.g. stored procedures (Lua scripts).
08:25 fling         mhmhmhmhmmm
08:30 sfan5         does anyone want a MySQL backend?
08:36 fling         sfan5: NOOO
08:36 fireglow      hehe
08:36 sfan5         but I want something to do
08:36 sfan5         I guess I'll just install Arch then
08:36 PenguinDad    sfan5: how about a Postgre backend?
08:37 sfan5         PenguinDad: hm, yeah, good idea
08:40 Calinou       hi
08:41 * sfan5       meows at Calinou
08:41 Calinou       meh, got banned from channels
08:42 * PenguinDad  never got banned in any channel until now
08:43 Calinou       probably got dozens of bans
08:44 Calinou       including an ISP ban (my best!)
08:45 sfan5         lol
08:45 * sfan5       got banned in #bukkit on esper.net
08:46 sfan5         I still don't know why
08:46 sfan5         I was idling there
08:46 sfan5         and one day I noticed I was banned
08:46 rmilan        why isnt there (shift or control) + click in inventory? [or any usefull hotkey]
08:48 PenguinDad    (control or shift) click for what?
08:48 Calinou       probably a Minetest blacklist somewhere
08:48 Calinou       probably to move items  quickly from inventory to container, PenguinDad.
08:48 Calinou       rmilan, we have middle click though ;) use to move tens of items
08:48 Calinou       unlike Minecraft
08:49 rmilan        thants i know, but i feel middle button so weak, o dont like to use it :D
08:50 rmilan        and who dont like to move mouse, would be easyer to press a key, and click on the item
08:50 Calinou       how sane is it to use “dedicated_server_step = 0.01"?
08:51 PenguinDad    rmilan: you would still have to move mouse
08:51 PenguinDad    Calinou: it's quite insane
08:51 Calinou       trainwrecktony does that on his server
08:52 rmilan        but if i want to put 8 item on the bar, then need only to move much less
08:52 PenguinDad    I'll most likely be unable to play on that server
08:57 PenguinDad    rofl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qEEd7J3DBo
09:09 rmilan        http://i.imgur.com/KRSpYT3.jpg vs http://i.imgur.com/3yVaOIA.jpg
09:09 Calinou       oh, that made me thought
09:09 Calinou       we could have rectangular selection
09:10 Calinou       rmilan, to compensate, you can have more hotbar slots
09:10 Calinou       :p
09:10 Calinou       up to 23!
09:10 rmilan        integrate explorer.exe into minetest for selection and drag and drop
09:10 rmilan        and for linux make a fuse module for mounting inventory
09:11 Calinou       heh
09:11 * PenguinDad  ignites the fuse
10:01 VanessaE      rmilan: you, sir, are insane.
10:02 Jordach       PenguinDad, i can play perfectly on tony's server
10:02 Jordach       (in fact, it's way faster than VanessaE's)
10:03 Jordach       ((it actually performs when you ask it, not two minutes later))
10:04 VanessaE      :P
10:04 VanessaE      blame technic for being buggy earlier, and other players for abusing it.
10:05 VanessaE      and the minetest engine for not being able to limit mods' CPU usage
10:05 Calinou       never got 2 minute lag on a VanessaE server
10:05 PenguinDad    Jordach: try to play on that server with an amazing 200 kbit/s connection
10:05 Calinou       the lag is usually good, but may be slowed down by weather mods
10:06 VanessaE      Calinou: only snowdrift, and I'm not entirely sure I'm gonna keep that.  I wish particle spawners worked right (and didn't use entities, but rather REAL particles).  I might actually write a weather mod.
10:22 sfan5|        meow
10:23 PenguinDad    meow
10:23 sfan5|        how do I change tabs in irssi?
10:25 sfan5|        current status: installed archlinux, proceeding to install Xfce
10:25 blaise        sfan5 hold down alt and hit a number
10:25 blaise        or the left and right button
10:26 blaise        alt-1 through 0 for tab 1 through 10 and alt-q through p for tabs 11 through 20
10:26 blaise        beyond that I dunno
10:26 sfan5|        blaise: works, thanks
10:26 blaise        :)
10:26 sfan5|        alt + (left|right) changes tty
10:26 sfan5|        but alt + number works
10:27 blaise        k, if in x alt left, right will scroll though tabs..
10:27 PenguinDad    TIL alt + [left|right] works in weechat
10:27 jp__          Hello. Does it's possible to have the [center] tag on the forums ?
10:28 sfan5|        ShadowNinja ^
11:08 Megaf         Good morning
11:11 LazyJ         Howdy, Megaf ;)
11:11 Megaf         so, anyone else geting segfaults now a days with Minetest?
11:13 LazyJ         I haven't used 0.4.10 much yet to have seen.
11:14 LazyJ         I have been getting several core dumps since the later releases of 0.4.9 on my home computer.
11:14 LazyJ         I think those happened because I double hit the Enter key.
11:16 LazyJ         Little finger snags just a brief moment on the key above and the Enter key get's pushed down again slightly.
11:18 Jordach       !tell Megaf what segfaults? never seen them here
11:18 MinetestBot   Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever
11:18 PenguinDad    !tell Megaf Yes, I'm still having segfaults.
11:18 MinetestBot   PenguinDad: I'll pass that on when Megaf is around
11:20 MinetestBot   Megaf: 07-17 16:18 UTC <Jordach> what segfaults? never seen them here
11:26 sfan5         meow
11:26 MinetestBot   sfan5: 07-17 15:09 UTC <LemonLake> I made you a picture. https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Fh0i8Ta-Y1eS.jpg
11:26 Jordach       megfix yer connection
11:26 Jordach       gdammit :P
11:27 sfan5         !tell LemonLake omg, you can draw :3
11:27 MinetestBot   sfan5: I'll pass that on when LemonLake is around
11:27 * sfan5       meows at Jordach
11:27 MinetestBot   Megaf: 07-17 16:18 UTC <PenguinDad> Yes, I'm still having segfaults.
11:27 sfan5         current status: archlinux installed and running
11:27 Jordach       >arch
11:27 Jordach       you fool
11:27 sfan5         yeah
11:27 sfan5         :c
11:28 sfan5         Jordach: >using windows
11:28 sfan5         even worse
11:28 Jordach       sfan5, tl;dr i can actually compile minetest on it
11:28 Jordach       i may create Windows 7/8 builds using MSVC 2012
11:28 sfan5         64bit pls
11:29 PenguinDad    How many different builds do we need?
11:29 * Jordach     gets on with that
11:29 Jordach       PenguinDad, specialised testing
11:29 Jordach       and then i can churn out sfan5 level builds quickly :P
11:29 Jordach       and perhaps in spare time repair gsmapper against current head
11:29 Jordach       one that yknow, works when it meets unknown nodes
11:30 sfan5         Jordach: meow
11:30 * PenguinDad  doesn't care about gsmapper
11:30 Jordach       :O given the choice between express iso or web install
11:31 Jordach       sfan5, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/qAfOlZZP8oG-.png
11:31 Jordach       >C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 11.0
11:31 Jordach       WTF
11:32 Jordach       >x86
11:32 sfan5         Jordach: sounds like you downloaded the wrong one
11:32 Jordach       sfan5, two files D:
11:32 sfan5         Jordach: use the express iso
11:32 Jordach       (it'll probably come with the require 64bit stuff)
11:36 VanessaE      Megaf: fix your G*d damned connection
11:36 * sfan5       meows
11:36 VanessaE      stop signing off right after asking questions/making comments!
11:36 VanessaE      it pisses people off!
11:37 kaeza         mornings
11:37 * VanessaE    growls
11:37 VanessaE      hi kaeza
11:37 * VanessaE    meows at sfan5
11:37 * sfan5       is a cat which just installed Arch
11:37 Megaf         [08:35:15] <Megaf> Jordach; I have no idea whats going on here
11:37 Megaf         [08:35:31] <Megaf> Even my local networks is failing
11:37 Megaf         VanessaE; I can say the very same
11:37 Megaf         I'm quite annoyed with myself
11:38 kaeza         lol
11:38 * PenguinDad  gives sfan5 a bottle o' milk
11:38 MinetestBot   GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix texture hack in fences. 61088b1 2014-07-17T13:37:18+02:00 http://git.io/3U8oNA
11:39 sfan5         10110 unread mails
11:39 sfan5         gg Thunderbird
11:39 kaeza         C-a a
11:39 kaeza         <_<
11:40 Jordach       welcome to the world of unix text editing
11:40 Jordach       where commands are bullshit
11:40 alket         in one server I saw someone with a boat , how do I get one , i checked mods , couldn't find it
11:40 sfan5         alket: use 0.4.10, it has boats included in the default subgame
11:40 VanessaE      I'll stick to nano and gedit, where hey, imagine this concept, they actually default to EDITING THE TEXT. :P
11:41 * sfan5       throws http://atom.io at VanessaE
11:41 alket         sfan5: thanks
11:41 * kaeza       puts jEdit on VanessaE's and sfan5's heads
11:42 sfan5         is that written in java?
11:42 kaeza         take a guess
11:42 * PenguinDad  puts geany and neovim on kaeza's head
11:50 telek         Scite FTW :)
12:02 EvergreenTree Now I remember how annoying github can be
12:02 EvergreenTree Is there any way of cleaning up the history on this branch and turning it to a more linear format?
12:02 EvergreenTree https://github.com/4Evergreen4/minetest/tree/screen_size_setting
12:03 EvergreenTree I might just hard reset it to the first commit and retry the updating of it
12:03 EvergreenTree for some reason I can't figure out how to cleanly update master and the branch
12:03 Jordach       EvergreenTree, new branch take head of old brance
12:05 sfan5         EvergreenTree: git remote add upstream https://github.com/minetest/minetest && git fetch upstream && git rebase upstream/master
12:05 EvergreenTree that's what I did before
12:06 EvergreenTree it didn't appear to work, but I might have messed it up before that
12:06 sfan5         then do it again?
12:06 EvergreenTree I tried it no, nope
12:06 EvergreenTree *now
12:07 EvergreenTree I honestly think I'll just delete the branch and re-add the code
12:07 EvergreenTree and close the pull request on minetest
12:07 EvergreenTree or maybe just hard reset
12:08 kaeza         what does it say when you run the above commands?
12:09 kaeza         also, git != github
12:11 MinetestBot   GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix texture glitches for plants with visual scale > 1.0 (jungle grass). 625489d 2014-07-17T14:10:23+02:00 http://git.io/AaHGhA
12:14 Megaf         back
12:14 Megaf         59 packets transmitted, 59 received, 0% packet loss, time 290001ms
12:14 Megaf         rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.458/0.535/1.443/0.131 ms
12:14 Megaf         I think I fixed
12:14 Krock         hi
12:19 Jordach       Megaf, ouch
12:27 PenguinDad    Woo hoo I just had my first 416 error http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/416
12:28 * Krock       gives PenguinDad a kitten
12:29 * PenguinDad  wgets up to Krock's lap
12:29 EvergreenTree Oh, btw, what should I change on the branch I just showed?
12:29 EvergreenTree (it isn't complete at all)
12:29 Jordach       the leaves :3
12:29 Krock         :) http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/418
12:31 PenguinDad    I just don't know what went wrong http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/500
12:40 Megaf         can I remove all areas from a user at once?
12:40 Megaf         areas_mod
12:46 * Jordach     actually completely forgot iTunes is DRM free
12:59 blaise        mobf lag is out of control
12:59 blaise        :(
12:59 blaise        I really like the mod, I wish it didn't cause so much lag...
13:01 Megaf         https://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/sets/72157628409467125/with/6509400997/
13:02 Megaf         VanessaE; Network fixed indeed
13:02 Megaf         1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998023ms
13:02 Megaf         rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.394/0.546/1.988/0.133 ms
13:03 Megaf         That was pinging my router
13:03 Megaf         and this is pinging my minetest server
13:03 Megaf         1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998015ms
13:03 Megaf         rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.408/0.618/1.094/0.059 ms
13:13 blaise        mineguild.de:8090 is down
13:14 blaise        so no searching from https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/mods/
13:14 blaise        :(
13:14 blaise        what ever happened to firestone mod ?
13:21 VanessaE      firestone?
13:21 sfan5         never heard of such a mod
13:21 VanessaE      as far as I know that's a brand of vehicle tire :P
13:22 Krock         mmdb needs support for github
13:22 VanessaE      Krock: good luck with that
13:23 Krock         blaise, flintstone?
13:23 Krock         *flint
13:23 VanessaE      flint and steel?
13:23 VanessaE      those are in the fake fire mod
13:23 VanessaE      others too, I'm sure
13:23 * Krock       has his own fake fire...
13:24 Krock         VanessaE, I mean, it should download the master zip from github and rename the extracted folder after unzipping
13:24 VanessaE      Krock: I refer to semmett9's version.  I think.
13:25 VanessaE      ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6145 )
13:25 VanessaE      Krock: oh, yeah that I could agree with
13:26 VanessaE      but I know a number of people will balk at the idea
13:26 Krock         why?
13:26 * Krock       translates *balk*
13:26 VanessaE      because github's terms of service, not truly free, blah blah blah
13:26 ecutruin      Hey VanessaE, do you know of any way to alter what is currently showing as the player's hands at runtime via MT?
13:26 Krock         ah
13:26 VanessaE      balk-> complain, bitch, while, piss and moan
13:26 VanessaE      whine*
13:27 VanessaE      ecutruin: change wieldhand.png
13:27 VanessaE      you can't change this at runtime, but you can via a texture pack
13:27 ecutruin      VanessaE, I don't want to just change the texture.. more like change the model, add particles, etc.
13:28 VanessaE      ecutruin: that would require changes to the client itself, e.g. C++ changes
13:28 ecutruin      Alright, I thought so.
13:28 RealBadAngel  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixgAxnBTIi4
13:28 EvergreenTree The way the hand works currently is that it is an item
13:28 EvergreenTree a tool
13:28 VanessaE      ecutruin: regarding particles, don't use them until jin_xi finishes his work
13:28 RealBadAngel  how do you like adding param2 to planlike?
13:28 EvergreenTree which appears in every hotbar slot
13:29 VanessaE      RealBadAngel: very nice indeed
13:29 ecutruin      Alright.  How about modifying the 'hand' tool.. can I alter that and give it attachments to 'fake' what I want?
13:29 VanessaE      ecutruin: I'm not entirely sure if that's possible.
13:29 ecutruin      RealBadAngel, do you happen to know?
13:30 VanessaE      you can alter the properties of the hand by redefining ":" but that may affect other things (e.g. wielding a block of cobble also acts like the hand)
13:30 RealBadAngel  idk
13:31 EvergreenTree Imo, the current way of doing the hand is certainly moddable, but a bit hacky
13:31 EvergreenTree maybe it isn't hard-coded so new sub games can create their own hands
13:31 EvergreenTree Idk
13:32 VanessaE      ecutruin: you can fake it by for example checking if anything is wielded before taking certain actions, but I'm afraid most of that will have to be done in C++
13:32 PenguinDad    EvergreenTree: games have to define the ":" item
13:32 ecutruin      EvergreenTree, to give you an example of what I want to do.. I need to have two hands visible, for one.. and I need to also be able to do something special if I'm looking down at my hands essentially.. so.. be able to say have a knife in hand, look down and have it animate to make my hands more in view.. and I can use the knife to poke my other hand if I'm near an altar.
13:32 VanessaE      ecutruin: impossible in Lua.
13:32 EvergreenTree Yes
13:33 ecutruin      Alright.  I guessed as much, but wanted to ask. ^-^  Thanks guys.
13:33 VanessaE      ecutruin: there is an issue open already to put the hand on the left, maybe you should add to that?
13:34 VanessaE      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1465
13:34 VanessaE      and,
13:34 VanessaE      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=92
13:34 VanessaE      so it's been proposed before
13:35 VanessaE      but as you can see from the second link, a LOOOOOOOONG time ago
13:36 VanessaE      (some of what he asks for we already do now, it just isn't visible on the screen the way you want)
13:38 ecutruin      I just posted on the git, does that suggestion sound right to you, VanessaE?
13:39 VanessaE      seems okay
13:39 VanessaE      the trick of course is getting someone to code it :)
13:40 VanessaE      also the actual *use* of that feature depends on the sub-game the user is playing
13:41 * ecutruin    nods.
13:41 ecutruin      I tried to make the suggestion generic.  Instead of just being an extra wielded item.. because you could use it to say make animated magic spells by attaching hands with animations that make gestures and such.
13:42 VanessaE      riught
13:42 VanessaE      right*
13:43 crazyR        does anyone use Redis for the map storage?
13:45 Jordach       we need meshitems
13:46 Jordach       (wielditem = "mesh", wieldmesh = "item.x")
13:47 crazyR1       does anyone use Redis for the map storage?
13:48 ecutruin      I think my suggestion takes it one step further, Jordach.  Basically, wielding is just attaching the item mesh to the point.. where as you could also just attach something yourself, or hide the wielded item as well.. This would also let you animate the attached mesh's as you want as well.
13:48 Jordach       ecutruin, with on_use() you can in theory animate it, as well as do other things
13:49 VanessaE      crazyR1: sorry, not I
13:50 ecutruin      Jordach, sure.. but if you limited it to wield only.. it'd be limited to one mesh attached ever.. instead of say.. attaching a new mesh to replace the hands, and then having wield re-direct to that mesh instead via something like player.setWield( player, mesh ) or somesuch to allow the wield code to use your new attachment bone instead of the default.
13:55 ecutruin      If it was developed correctly as well, you could allow for more than two 'wielded' items as well, letting people use animated mesh's on the HUD to handle various things (like say you want to do a WoW style health meter of what you're looking at) by just attaching new mesh's to screen.
13:55 ecutruin      I know that is how games like Second Life handle on-HUD objects.  They attach to the screen itself.
13:56 ecutruin      But otherwise, they are just attachments, and can be animated just like any other entity.
13:58 * ecutruin    shrugs though.
13:59 ecutruin      I think without client-side LUA, such a system would be either slow or clunky.. because you really need speed in some of these things, but the server doesn't really need to know either.
14:00 PenguinDad    I just found an interesting sneaking related sound glitch http://paste.ubuntu.com/7809160/
14:04 PilzAdam      lol, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1496#issuecomment-49225271, lets add minetest.brute_force_password(pwd)
14:07 crazyR1       he did say forget about it. and in the suggestion he siad he noticed the security concern and wasnt sure. whats the big deal?
14:08 crazyR1       out of all the suggestions he made. you picked just one to laught at
14:09 VanessaE      bbl
14:11 PenguinDad    PilzAdam: before improving minetest's security greatly you should fix the glitch I reported one second before you joined :P
14:18 sfan5|        watching gparted resize partitions is boring
14:19 PilzAdam      crazyR1, apparently devs are not allowed to make jokes :-/
14:19 telek         Also: Just because there's no provision for minetest.brute_force_password in the stock client doesn't mean somebody couldn't add it. That isn't a reason to skip client-side lua. Reasons that are: Server to Client luascripts would need vetting, since the client shouldn't trust the server. And server would need server-side vetting of all data coming back from the client luascripts to ensure sanity (otherwise you end up like a lot of thos
14:19 * sfan5|      meows at PilzAdam
14:19 * PilzAdam    moos at sfan5|
14:19 * sfan5|      is a cat
14:20 sfan5|        *reads backlog*
14:20 PenguinDad    PilzAdam must be a mooshroom :D
14:22 EvergreenTree Zeg9!
14:22 EvergreenTree It's been a while
14:22 sfan5|        Zeg9!
14:22 Zeg9          Hey!
14:23 PenguinDad    hey Zeg9
14:27 MinetestBot   LemonLake: 07-17 16:27 UTC <sfan5> omg, you can draw :3
14:27 sfan5|        o
14:27 sfan5|        LemonLake!
14:33 LemonLake     sfan5|: good day
14:48 LemonLake     how can i give a node dig fx?
14:48 LemonLake     like the cracks
14:48 sfan5|        on_dig
14:48 LemonLake     i want to make a node cracked
14:48 sfan5|        while digging?
14:48 sfan5|        hm
14:48 LemonLake     well, similar to how it looks when digging
14:48 sfan5|        on_punch maybe
14:48 Calinou       you can use a texture modifier, but it's said not to be used by mods
14:49 Calinou       no, it's just a texture modifier
14:49 LemonLake     i have a miner node, and i want it to look like it's actually digging the node
14:49 Calinou       http://dev.minetest.net/texture
14:49 LemonLake     im aware
14:49 Calinou       “Engine-internal (do not use in mods)”
14:49 LemonLake     "Engine-internal (do not use in mods)"
14:49 LemonLake     ninja'd
14:49 Calinou       did you try?
14:49 LemonLake     not only that, but how would I change it in runtime?
14:49 Calinou       use several node definitions
14:49 LemonLake     and node-specific?
14:50 LemonLake     ew
14:50 sfan5|        LemonLake: create an entity put it there with a transparent texture, use that engine-internal thing
14:50 Calinou       probably can't
14:50 LemonLake     sfan5|: okay, I'll try that
14:50 LemonLake     and set it's lifespan to 2 seconds or something?
14:51 Exio          we need multiple "node-like" definitions (but only textures and stuffs) and change between them using param2!
14:51 sfan5|        something like that
14:51 Calinou       make the entity use cube drawtype, a tiny bit bigger than a normal cube, to avoid z-fighting
14:51 LemonLake     okay, i think i know what im doing
14:51 Calinou       make the entity non-physical, have no collision box, immortal
14:52 * sfan5|      reboots once again
14:52 LemonLake     is there an entity reference greater than the one on the wiki?
14:53 LemonLake     visual_size = {x=1.01, y=1.01} would be sufficient, too?
14:53 Calinou       probably
14:54 Calinou       oh, but that entity would need to be alpha-blended
14:54 Calinou       not sure if you can use semi-transparent texture on a cube entity…
14:54 LemonLake     if not i can make a mesh
14:54 LemonLake     Jordach probably knows all the scaling and stuff
14:54 Calinou       can mesh use semi-transparency?
14:54 LemonLake     im sure of it
14:55 LemonLake     the player can be transparent, yes?
14:55 Calinou       oh, a nodebox entity can
14:55 Calinou       protector uses that
14:55 LemonLake     "colors = {}, -- number of required colors depends on visual"
14:55 Calinou       O_o
14:55 LemonLake     wasdat
14:55 Calinou       never heard of colors
14:55 LemonLake     it's in lua_api.txt
14:56 Calinou       https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/source/b223ac99b8542fefb25520998fa60ee6ebacd70c:mods/protector/init.lua#L265 → line 265 and after, LemonLake
14:57 RealBadAngel  LemonLake, i was using 0.003 as offset
14:57 LemonLake     1.0003?
14:57 LemonLake     003*
14:57 RealBadAngel  yes
14:57 LemonLake     im taking a risk and using [crack
14:58 LemonLake     if it does not work then I'll have to make my own crack texture
14:59 RealBadAngel  for transparet things you may need to use [cracko
14:59 LemonLake     yeah
14:59 RealBadAngel  without overlay crack will be visible on whole surface
15:00 LemonLake     "scaled by xP (from 0 to 9) in each dimension."
15:00 brandedangel  hi all
15:01 FungusAdam    BrainDeadAngel?
15:02 LemonLake     what exactly is P?
15:02 LemonLake     also, why does everyone haver weird names today?
15:02 LemonLake     wait, nvm
15:02 LemonLake     ic
15:03 LemonLake     here we go again
15:03 Hirato_       I bet RealBadAngel's real name is Stocking, jsut ask sfan5 about PSw/G's ending :M
15:03 RealBadAngel  LemonLake, if you need plain crack textures combine it with empty png
15:03 LemonLake     RealBadAngel: yes yes, but what is P in [crack?
15:03 Krock2        - Krock quit (*.net *.split)
15:03 Krock2        eww
15:03 LemonLake     freenode has multiple servers, Krock2 ^.^
15:03 RealBadAngel  crack is [crack:frame_count:frame
15:03 Krock2        but I see myself 0.0
15:03 LemonLake     ah i see
15:03 RealBadAngel  i think ;)
15:04 LemonLake     so 1:1 is sufficient for static crack?
15:04 RealBadAngel  lemme check
15:04 Calinou       ~obit Hirato_
15:04 Hirato_       kill all baguettes
15:04 LemonLake     what was it before?
15:04 PenguinDad    Calinou: no redroid in #minetest ;)
15:04 Calinou       Germany winning world cup
15:04 Calinou       it's been 4 days
15:04 LemonLake     ohlol
15:04 Calinou       so we can remove it probably
15:05 Hirato_       something about Germany Uber Alles in the world uc[
15:05 Hirato_       according to the topic history I have on hand
15:05 Exio          the cup is europe :(
15:05 LemonLake     "| GERMANY WINS THE WORLD CUP"
15:05 Exio          argentina had a few chances and they wasted them ffs
15:05 Calinou       also, all-caps :(
15:05 Calinou       Exio, same for France
15:06 PenguinDad    Germany wins!!1!
15:06 RealBadAngel  LemonLake, yup, thats right
15:06 Exio          the germs had a physical advantage though, they played one day before argentina and just 30 mins
15:06 Exio          vs 120 in our match vs ned
15:07 Calinou       Germany played 120 minutes before the match against France, whereas France played 90 minutes.
15:07 Calinou       we lost 0-1
15:07 LemonLake     okay, now i need to kill it after 2 seconds
15:07 Calinou       so it's quite random
15:07 LemonLake     Calinou: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rIy0xY99a0
15:08 Exio          Calinou, one day and germany _only_ played 30
15:09 Exio          7-1 remember?
15:09 Calinou       that was after France being eliminated
15:09 PilzAdam      actually the FIFA won against the poor people in brazil by making millions on their backs
15:10 raffahacks    PilzAdam, agree
15:11 PilzAdam      the world cup in Quatar needs to be stopped; people already die there for the pleasure of viewers in the first world and for the money the FIFA gets
15:11 Hirato_       Deutschland! Deutschland! Deutschland! Deutschland!
15:11 sfan5         meow
15:12 * Hirato_     replaces sfan5's avatar with something from girls und panzer
15:12 sfan5         uh no
15:12 * sfan5       installed Arch Linux on Hirato_s computer
15:12 sfan5         installs*
15:12 Hirato_       but I already use Arch
15:12 sfan5         do you use KDE?
15:13 Hirato_       um..... no?
15:13 sfan5         good
15:13 Calinou       PilzAdam, it doesn't please me
15:13 Calinou       http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.10_.E2.86.92_.3F → 0.4.10 section added to changelog!
15:13 Hirato_       awh, and here I thought you were going to install KDE 5 (prematurely!) and be my favourite minetest developer <_<
15:14 Calinou       install GNOME 4
15:14 * Hirato_     whacks Calinou with a stale baguette
15:14 LemonLake     900 steps is how many seconds?
15:14 Exio          90?
15:14 LemonLake     hm
15:14 Exio          i think, not sure
15:15 Calinou       steps are variable
15:15 Calinou       use dtime!
15:15 Hirato_       context?
15:15 LemonLake     i know
15:15 Calinou       dtime is time spent between 2 steps
15:15 sfan5         Hirato_: xfce FTW
15:15 Calinou       the step time seems to be as low as 0.01342 or such in singleplayer
15:15 LemonLake     i suppose i just add dtime to age
15:15 Calinou       yes
15:15 Hirato_       XFCE is too GTKy
15:15 fling         Hello ;P
15:15 PenguinDad    dtime == drag time?
15:15 LemonLake     then if age > 2 then this entity can go fuck itself
15:15 LemonLake     PenguinDad: delta time
15:15 sfan5         Hirato_: no
15:15 LemonLake     iirc
15:15 Calinou       on_step = function(self, dtime)
15:15 Calinou       self.lifetimer = self.lifetimer - dtime
15:15 fling         Calinou: I will now install a server inside of a nested lxc container :>
15:15 LemonLake     Calinou: im aware
15:15 Calinou       you'd add here, not remove probably
15:16 Calinou       fling, what's the point?
15:16 LemonLake     ah, 900 is 900 seconds
15:16 Calinou       if you know the mods you're running, there should be no security issues
15:16 Calinou       (and don't run the server as root)
15:16 Hirato_       not to mention, XFCE is terrible for the battery life of my laptops for whatever reason
15:16 Calinou       Xfce*
15:16 Exio          archlinux
15:16 Exio          try another distro
15:16 Calinou       works fine here, when I use a laptop.
15:16 fling         Calinou: I don't want the deps on the host
15:16 Calinou       (Xubuntu)
15:16 Calinou       ah
15:16 Calinou       fling, you should use Carbone too :p
15:16 * sfan5       throws Exio at Exio
15:16 Calinou       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9033
15:17 fling         Calinou: I will try different mods at weekends yes
15:17 Calinou       it's a game, but compatible with all mods
15:17 fling         Calinou: We need to decide what to use :>
15:17 Calinou       (the engine is the same)
15:17 Exio          not my fault that archlinux sucks too much, the only nice-and-awesome rolling release i've tried is gentoo so far :>
15:17 Exio          ff
15:17 Calinou       Debian Testing/Unstable?
15:17 Exio          that isn't that rolling release
15:17 Hirato_       believe it or not, using KDE instead of XFCE made the battery last almost twice as long,
15:17 Hirato_       Exio confirmed for /g/ poster
15:17 Calinou       weird
15:17 sfan5         :O :O :O :O
15:17 Calinou       unstable is rolling
15:18 Calinou       testing is half-rolling
15:18 Hirato_       debian unstable is too stable <_<
15:18 PenguinDad    sid is rolling but I don't know where
15:18 fling         Calinou: I will also create gentoo ebuilds for all the things I will use so other users will install them easily
15:18 Exio          rofl PenguinDad
15:18 Exio          that one is nice
15:18 Hirato_       ubuntu releases had more up to date packages, on the other hand, debian unstable was far more stable than any given ubuntu release :p
15:18 Exio          debian sid+experimental isn't that "outdated"
15:18 fling         Calinou: I don't like included mods :<
15:19 Exio          i use(d) it ..
15:19 fling         Calinou: what does this mean? are they just copied into the game folder?
15:19 Exio          now my HDD died ;_;
15:19 fling         Calinou: are they modified btw?
15:19 sfan5         Hirato_: https://pay.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/27sko7/i_want_to_run_debian_stable_but_i_cant_stand/
15:19 sfan5         !title
15:19 MinetestBot   sfan5: I want to run Debian stable, but I can't stand having outdated packages. : fossworldproblems
15:19 LemonLake     its saying mean things to me
15:20 Hirato_       I enabled all repos, main community, non-free, whetever the hell that 4th one was aclled
15:20 Hirato_       and all sources, backports, patches, security, proposed
15:20 fling         Calinou: tell me please! ;P
15:20 Hirato_       I don't even remember any more
15:21 Calinou       fling, this replaces the default mods
15:21 Calinou       improves them
15:21 Calinou       more balanced, better textures, new stuff, etc
15:21 Calinou       Hirato_, testing is sometimes in front of Ubuntu
15:21 Calinou       except for kernel
15:22 fling         Calinou: so the game (for example Calinou) contains some modified mods, right?
15:22 Calinou       I don't think sid is stable
15:22 Hirato_       meh, I'm happy on Arch
15:22 Calinou       Ubuntu releases work fine here, almost never had issues, if I had issues it's due to proprietary driver
15:22 Hirato_       I get the latest and greatest, right here, right now
15:22 Calinou       fling, yes, so you don't have to install them by hand
15:22 Exio          it is stable as long as you upgrade every week
15:22 Calinou       eg. moreblocks
15:22 Hirato_       Hnnnnnnnnnnng
15:22 Calinou       every 6 months isn't that short
15:22 Exio          Hirato_, right here, right now, with 97% more crashes!
15:23 Hirato_       don't use the testing repos then, you ditz
15:23 fling         Calinou: I want to create a separate package per mod hmm hmm but with these games things gets complicated…
15:23 Exio          testing repos are only for core shit
15:23 LemonLake     didn't quite work..
15:23 LemonLake     ill work it out later
15:23 Calinou       fling, if you want to make a package, package the whole game
15:24 Exio          half of the packages are shit because some devs don't like to try the packages too much
15:24 Hirato_       testing... community-testing... multilib-testing.... I do indeed think testign encompasses both core and extra
15:24 Exio          wow, they changed it?
15:24 fling         hmhmhmhmmm
15:25 fling         Hirato_: ubuntu?
15:25 Hirato_       archlinux, pay attention!
15:25 Exio          about the same thing
15:25 Hirato_       inb4 I get ctcp versioned
15:25 fling         https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
15:25 Exio          gentoo > (archlinux|ubuntu)
15:25 Exio          :D
15:25 fling         Exio: yay!
15:25 sfan5         Hirato_: your version is out of date, update to v0.99.1
15:25 Hirato_       sfan5: <3
15:26 fling         Exio: just set your ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FSF-APPROVED @FREE-DOCUMENTS"
15:26 Exio          my main reason for using gentoo was the USE flags
15:26 fling         Calinou: I will first complete my server setup then will try mods and then will decide how to package things properly :>
15:27 Exio          "oh man, i don't like this dep around"
15:27 Hirato_       I still have to build my input method manually
15:27 fling         Exio: I like setting CFLAGS, I like the possibility of using musl or uclibc
15:27 Hirato_       the uim package has bad flags for a KDE centric environment :P
15:28 fling         Hirato_: use ibus
15:28 Hirato_       does mozc work with ibus?
15:28 Calinou       <fling> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
15:28 Calinou       official derivatives don't suffer from this
15:29 Exio          fling, \o/ you could take two random gentoos and they will differ a hell lot :D
15:29 Calinou       but even Ubuntu is no longer really using Amazon stuff
15:29 fling         Exio: yes for example different CHOST :P
15:29 fling         Calinou: try trisquel?
15:29 Hirato_       Depends On     : dconf  gtk2  gtk3  hicolor-icon-theme  libnotify  python-dbus  python-gobject  iso-codes  libibus=1.5.7 <-- I think I'll skip on ibus, GTK2 and GTK3 ist verbotten
15:30 fling         Hirato_: are you building for console?
15:30 fling         Hirato_: btw don't you know how to convert X keymap to console style one?
15:30 Hirato_       nah, just loathe GTK
15:30 Calinou       fling, Trisquel only bases itself on LTS
15:30 PenguinDad    *verboten
15:30 Calinou       gets too old over time
15:30 fling         Calinou: this is one of the reasons I'm using gentoo.
15:30 Calinou       whereas official derivatives are always updated, on release day (so, no release delays unlike Trisquel which easily has 4 month delay)
15:31 fling         Calinou: I just set ACCEPT_LICENSE variable to a proper value…
15:31 Calinou       oh, it's not like my PC can run without non-free firmware and driverzs
15:31 Calinou       -z
15:31 fling         Calinou: this is sad :< Have not you seen e350m1?
15:32 fling         Calinou: you can even replace bios/efiblob with coreboot
15:32 sfan5         !g e350m1
15:32 MinetestBot   sfan5: http://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/e350m1/
15:33 Exio          i want that
15:33 fling         http://www.coreboot.org/Board:asrock/e350m1
15:33 fling         CHEAP!
15:33 Exio          i'd love to use be able to use coreboot :(
15:33 fling         Exio: and fast! especially when you use distcc :D
15:33 * sfan5       wants UEFI
15:33 Calinou       crappy AMD mobo
15:34 Calinou       old BIOS crap too
15:34 fling         sfan5: coreboot might boot an uefi
15:34 Hirato_       it amazes me how firefox never fails to look horrible in any environment
15:34 sfan5         fling: I don't think my Laptop supports coreboot
15:34 fling         sfan5: sad :\
15:34 * sfan5       builds ffmpeg
15:35 Calinou       looks fine here, Hirato_
15:35 * fling       builds world
15:35 Calinou       Chromium integrates way worse
15:35 sfan5         .txt is opened with LibreOffice by default
15:35 sfan5         y?
15:35 Calinou       I wouldn't ever use free BIOS anyway
15:35 Calinou       anytime*
15:35 * fling       is using xombrero
15:35 Hirato_       sfan5: pdf is opened in gimp/inkscape - y?
15:35 Hirato_       :P
15:35 fling         Calinou: why not? coreboot might boot a free bios
15:35 Exio          why not Calinou?
15:35 fling         Calinou: like seabios
15:36 Exio          i'm thinking about trying to get that mobo
15:36 fling         seabios might be needed if you don't want to boot your kernel and/or grub directly
15:36 Calinou       Supported Features
15:36 Exio          seems a like thing i'd like to have, a cheap totally-open computer
15:36 Hirato_       I'd argue Chromium integrates better, by completely ignoring desktop colours, it doesn't produce a lot of idiotic shit like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/mojirraaaa1.png
15:36 Calinou       also, wiping warranty
15:37 fling         Exio: I bork mine btw :P
15:37 fling         Exio: accidentally connected usb rxtx with case, got flames
15:37 Hirato_       or like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/2013-05-28-110241_scrot_2.png
15:38 Calinou       ehm
15:38 * Krock       gives Hirato_ a new, monochrom, cursor
15:38 Exio          fling, where you trying to cook something? ;P
15:39 fling         Exio: near r8169 chip :D
15:40 * Krock       has a computer which eats power like an old light bulb
15:40 Hirato_       and let's not even talk about the black on black input widgets because mozilla's developers in their infinite wisdom decided to use the system's colour for the field's background, even though you've explicitly told it to (and it's the default preference too!) not use system colours
15:40 sfan5         lol
15:41 fling         Hirato_: I have seen this issue, try xombrero :P
15:41 Hirato_       seriously, chrome's the ONLY browser that gets colours right
15:41 fling         Hirato_: xombrero
15:41 sfan5         Hirato_: you can even tell chrom(e|ium) to use the GTK theme
15:41 Hirato_       yeah, but that doesn't leak all over the web
15:42 Hirato_       like it does it firefox... and everything else
15:43 PenguinDad    fling: xedora :P
15:44 fling         PenguinDad: I'm fedora hater btw
15:44 Exio          what do you think about debian?
15:45 Hirato_       interesting... xombrero does colours right too... and is fast...
15:45 sfan5         Exio: .deb much complicated, very otherwise ok, wow
15:45 Hirato_       I should say 'responsive' rather
15:46 fling         Hirato_: and read more about it
15:46 fling         Hirato_: you can turn on white list mode
15:46 fling         Hirato_: and you don't need mouse anymore
15:46 fling         Hirato_: you can remove all the graphic elements btw :>
15:46 sfan5         docky says I have -6% memory usage
15:46 sfan5         gg
15:46 Hirato_       if I wanted that, I'd just use elinks
15:47 Hirato_       pfft, that's nothing
15:47 Exio          sfan5, it is (e^(-6))%
15:47 Hirato_       http://i.imgur.com/wCjWNkh.png average day with firefox
15:47 sfan5         !c math.e ** (-6)
15:47 MinetestBot    0.0024787521766663594
15:47 sfan5         !c (math.e ** (-6)) * 100
15:47 MinetestBot    0.24787521766663595
15:48 sfan5         I don't think my memory usage is 0.2%
15:48 Exio          make it (-1)^(-6) then
15:48 sfan5         !c -1 ** -6
15:48 MinetestBot   -1.0
15:49 PenguinDad    lol
15:49 sfan5         !c (-1) ** (-6)
15:49 MinetestBot    1.0
15:49 Exio          !c (-1) ** (-5.32)
15:49 MinetestBot   ValueError: negative number cannot be raised to a fractional power
15:49 Exio          THEY CAN
15:49 Hirato_       ...
15:49 Krock         !c 997000 / 2096600 * 100
15:49 MinetestBot    0
15:50 sfan5         Krock: use floats
15:50 sfan5         !c 997000.0 / 2096600 * 100
15:50 MinetestBot   47.553181341219116
15:50 Krock         !c 997000.0 / 2096600.0 * 100.0
15:50 MinetestBot   47.553181341219116
15:50 Krock         uh. you're fast
15:50 sfan5         1 float is enough
15:50 Exio          sfan5, setup a lambdabot
15:50 Krock         47% free memory
15:50 Exio          so we can do haskell stuffz
15:50 Hirato_       http://i.imgur.com/wCjWNkh.png <-- so yeah, firefox <_<
15:50 Exio          :D
15:50 sfan5         Exio: link pls
15:51 PenguinDad    !c "meow " * (2 ** 5)
15:51 MinetestBot   'meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow '
15:51 * Krock       things about abusing
15:51 Krock         *thinks
15:51 Exio          sfan5, http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Lambdabot#Installing
15:51 Hirato_       !c "meow".join(["moo", "quack"])
15:51 MinetestBot   'moomeowquack'
15:52 Krock         !c "meow".replace("meow", "quack")
15:52 MinetestBot   'quack'
15:52 Krock         :)
15:53 Hirato_       !c " meow ".join(["moo", "quack", "woof", "baaa"])
15:53 MinetestBot   'moo meow quack meow woof meow baaa'
15:53 Krock         !c "sssssst".replace("s", "omg a creeper!").replace("t", "..but it doesn't exit in minetest! :D")
15:53 MinetestBot   "omg a creeper!omg a creeper!omg a creeper!omg a creeper!omg a creeper!omg a creeper!..but it doesn't exit in minetest! :D"
15:53 PenguinDad    !c "I know it".replace("know", "knew")
15:53 MinetestBot   'I knew it'
15:53 Krock         <3 MinetestBot
15:53 MinetestBot   <3 Krock
15:53 Hirato_       <3 <3 MinetestBot
15:53 Hirato_       :3
15:54 Krock         !c !(!1 == 1) * "meow?"
15:54 MinetestBot   SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
15:55 Krock         !c (!(!1 == 1))? "meow?" : "not meow"
15:55 MinetestBot   SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
15:55 sfan5         Hirato_, Krock: ##minetestbot
15:55 Krock         oh
15:55 Hirato_       !c eval("exit()")
15:55 MinetestBot   NameError: name 'eval' is not defined
15:55 Hirato_       :(
15:56 sfan5         Krock: python not javascript
15:56 Hirato_       so that would be
15:56 Krock         hmm not only JS uses ()? :
15:56 fireglow      is it a known issue that pipeworks filters are broken right now?
15:56 Hirato_       !c "meow?" if (!(!1 == 1)) else "not meow"
15:56 MinetestBot   SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
15:56 Krock         Hirato_!
15:56 Krock         ##minetestbot
15:57 Krock         fireglow, yup.
15:57 Hirato_       !rainbow look at how much I care!
15:57 MinetestBot   4l4o4o7k7 7a8t8 8h3o3w3 12m12u12c6h6 6I13 13c13a4r4e4!
15:57 fireglow      :/
15:57 PenguinDad    05M04i07n08e03t09e10s11t02B12o06t13: 05m04y 07r08a03i09n10b11o02w12s 06a13r05e 04b07e08t03t09e10r
15:58 PenguinDad    Krock: Beatles are "Evil lil monsters that are produced from other people."
15:58 Hirato_       yours are too green
15:58 Krock         PenguinDad, whyyyy???
15:58 PenguinDad    Krock: cleverbot said that
16:11 Calinou       <fling> PenguinDad: I'm fedora hater BTW
16:11 Calinou       http://images.wikia.com/mlpfanart/images/4/41/Rainbow_Dash_haters_gonna_hate.gif
16:12 PenguinDad    Calinou++
16:13 Jordach       >Calinou bitching about non-free software >uses wikia
16:15 Calinou       server-side software is secondary
16:15 Calinou       I'm only linking to an image anyway
16:17 PenguinDad    Calinou: https://pod.geraspora.de/uploads/images/361f3be0f9351cb51b73.png
16:20 Hirato_       I bet Calinou went to dashcon
16:20 Hirato_       I'm sorry, that was really mean
16:21 Calinou       I don't go to “con”s
16:22 Exio          calinou doesn't like lists
16:45 Jordach       paramat, up early? :P
16:45 paramat       way too early
16:46 Jordach       paramat, probably the heat :)
16:46 Jordach       23C
16:47 Jordach       at least the older version of Command Centre doesn't try and mess with focused windows
16:50 Exio          >heat
16:50 Exio          >23C
16:50 Exio          that is coldish
16:50 Jordach       Exio, for you :P
16:50 Exio          true, UK
16:50 Jordach       /r/unitedkingdom :P
16:50 Calinou       more than 30°C here!
16:50 Calinou       34°C hit today
16:50 Exio          we got >40C
16:50 Jordach       Calinou, did you surrender to the heat?
16:50 Exio          in summer
16:50 Exio          iirc the peak was at about 41-42C
16:51 Exio          42C, dat temp
16:51 Jordach       Exio, last year we had 38C
16:51 Jordach       tl;dr might get some large fans and attach them to my PSU
16:51 Jordach       no need for desk fans
16:52 paramat       i never use the word 'hot' in England, it's only 'warm' here
16:53 Krock         warm and rainy
16:53 Jordach       paramat, /s/warm/melting/ s/hot/melting/
16:56 Calinou       no
16:56 * sfan5       meows at Jordach
16:58 * sfan5       meows at Calinou
17:04 PenguinDad    where's the difference in this image? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5Xsrp22CN1Z6nBCf0q_6QvPUwK_1XgPdwTdcVdklVlns1p1jxbPv5F1OQVbf53Hj3ethx_0wsKw
17:05 * Jordach     sarcastically does the same
17:06 paramat       The English only complain about the heat because they're so fat ;)
17:07 Jordach       u wot m8
17:09 Jordach       PenguinDad, https://mediacru.sh/c656f5e54328
17:09 sfan5         Jordach: meow
17:09 Jordach       wat
17:09 Jordach       (i've also seen MC use 55mb of ram at one point and keep it there)
17:13 Calinou       what's the difference, Jordach? MT limits FPS to ~60 by default
17:13 Calinou       unlike Minecraft which doesn't care much
17:13 Krock         Jordach, using vsync on minetest?
17:14 Calinou       # If FPS would go higher than this, limit it by sleeping
17:14 Calinou       # (to not waste CPU power for no benefit)
17:14 Calinou       #fps_max = 60
17:14 Calinou       I thank celeron55 a lot for this (told him to do that, actually)
17:14 Calinou       fps_max = 0 should disable limit, use ONLY for tests
17:14 Exio          minetest works differently about the range
17:15 Calinou       oh, use a fixed range
17:15 Jordach       i actually get WORSE fps with vsync ENABLED
17:15 Calinou       vsync slightly reduces FPS, increases stuttering and input lag
17:15 Calinou       just use a FPS limit
17:15 Jordach       Calinou, it fluctuates extremely frequently in MT
17:16 Calinou       make the view range fixed
17:16 Calinou       done that since long time ago here
17:16 Calinou       if you know your hardware, it's fine
17:16 Jordach       i'm wasting more power by trying to save energy
17:16 Exio          ?
17:16 Jordach       my framerate was between 45 and 61
17:18 Jordach       all my cores are at 4.3 ghz :P
17:18 Calinou       your GPU is way more important here
17:18 Krock         ^
17:18 Calinou       enable mip-mapping if not already done
17:19 Calinou       disable clouds!
17:19 Calinou       both in Minecraft and Minetest
17:19 Exio          Jordach, all my cores can go up to 4.4ghz, and my gpu is shit
17:19 Calinou       so that they don't crash into high buildings too :p
17:19 Exio          i still have shitty FPS eh
17:20 Krock         Calinou, how to disableclouds?
17:20 Exio          http://www.cse.chalmers.se/edu/year/2011/course/TIN321/lectures/bnfc-tutorial.html :D
17:20 Calinou       enable_clouds = false
17:20 Calinou       enable_3d_clouds = false
17:20 Calinou       (to have 2D clouds in menu)
17:21 * Krock       has a dirt-menu
17:21 Exio          stop being dirty
17:22 Krock         Exio, tell that to linux git-compiled minetest versions
17:22 * sfan5       meows at Exio
17:22 Calinou       dirt menu seems to be no longer in 0.4.10
17:22 Calinou       even with clouds off
17:22 Calinou       singleplayer menu will use game background
17:22 Calinou       dark grey in Carbone, dark green (chalkboard colour :P) in minimal…
17:22 * Krock       has dirt everywhere
17:23 Krock         weee! no clouds anymore!
17:25 Krock         3d-glasses support with "3d_mode = anaglyph"
17:27 ShadowNinja   sfan5: What's MC-URLInfo for?
17:28 sfan5         https://mediacru.sh/gffTa8YWULK8
17:28 MC-URLInfo    MediaCrush: Video with subtitles, Wide 480p
17:28 sfan5         that
17:37 sapier        if game background is specified it's used
17:37 sapier        dirt is only available if no game background is specified ... and it's "menu_clouds" for what I remember
17:38 Krock         there are 3 clouds settings
17:39 Krock         3d coulds, menu clouds and ingame clouds
17:39 sapier        only the one with "menu" in it is relevant for menu
17:39 Krock         3d clouds,too :P
17:39 sapier        really?
17:40 sapier        actually not very surprising as code is most likely copy&paste
17:41 Krock         by default, there are 3d clouds in the menu, which are possible to switch to 2d
17:41 Krock         this affects ingame, too
17:44 Calinou       “mgv6_freq_desert = 0.4” is lower more deserts or less?!
17:44 Calinou       I want a world with a lot of beaches, but less deserts
17:46 Krock         frequency... this means, it makes them larger, or?
17:47 Krock         Calinou, use dummy backend and use values like 0.1 and 1 :P
17:48 Calinou       I reduced desert frequency, on mapper I see pretty large deserts, not enough plains
17:51 * Krock       throws noisetest at Calinou
17:57 Krock         making fly mode smoother could be a nice feature... gonna scroll throught all possible settings
17:59 Calinou       it's worse
18:27 jp            You server is surprisingly frequented, sfan5 ;)
18:27 sfan5         yeah
18:27 sfan5         !server Meowtest
18:27 MinetestBot   sfan5: Meowtest 0.4.10 "SEGFAULTY" | minetest.org:30018 | Clients: 20/25, 0/23 | Version: 0.4.10-rc1 / meowtest_game | Ping: 22ms
18:27 sfan5         20 people..
18:31 jp            !server 8dromeda.minetest.net
18:31 MinetestBot   jp: No results
18:33 PenguinDad    !server wow
18:33 MinetestBot   PenguinDad: No results
18:35 Krock         !server pvp
18:35 MinetestBot   ZeroDivisionError: float division by zero (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 143, in server)
18:35 Krock         weee
18:35 Krock         I count this as no results
18:36 sfan5         Krock: nope, that is actually some result
18:37 sfan5         !server pvp
18:37 MinetestBot   sfan5: VikingCrafters [Brasil] Survival e PVP | 208.115.206.174 | Clients: 0/17, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-eec456b / viking | Ping: 12ms
18:37 sfan5         ^ Krock
18:37 Krock         sfan5, why did it give me an error then?
18:37 sfan5         because there was something broken
18:37 Krock         ah
18:37 sfan5         but I just fixed it
18:37 Krock         cool :)
18:37 sfan5         Krock: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/commit/5cfa4bc158781054f2875be7aa8b5a2e760b9dc3
18:38 Krock         ah. top players = 0 caused this error
18:38 Krock         s/top/max
18:41 Krock         .sv test
18:42 PenguinDad    !sv FFA
18:42 MinetestBot   PenguinDad: No results
18:44 Krock         okay. a better graphics card can reduce the CPU usage
18:44 Calinou       https://cdn.mediacru.sh/0FRaWpbAXeXl.jpg | https://cdn.mediacru.sh/wdPbFZLAgCkU.jpg
18:44 Calinou       made a photo seamless with GIMP, generated normal and parallax map
18:44 Calinou       Krock, I'd say the inverse, since the CPU would be used more
18:45 jp            AssaultCube, Calinou ?
18:45 Krock         Calinou, ehm...why? the grpahics card can take off someload
18:45 Krock         +
18:45 Krock         [spaces]
18:45 Calinou       it doesn't work like that; if you have more frames, then the CPU will be used more to show these frames and handle them
18:45 Calinou       jp, Tesseract
18:45 jp            On which game ?
18:46 PenguinDad    jp: http://tesseract.gg/
18:48 jp            Good for compete with Rust.
18:48 Krock         wut? imgur got a new .css file
18:49 PenguinDad    Krock: why "wut?"?
18:49 Krock         just so.
18:50 Calinou       to make meme viewing easier
18:50 PenguinDad    --random-input gives me some nausea
18:54 Krock         http://imgur.com/gallery/OVwgPaz
18:54 Krock         :D
18:58 sfan5         猫
18:58 sfan5         yay
18:58 sfan5         it works
19:01 Krock         http://i.imgur.com/osLfUxu.gif
19:01 Krock         O.O
19:06 PenguinDad    It's alive!
19:08 sfan5         http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2aycxs/-/cizyqyz
19:08 sfan5         O_O
19:08 PenguinDad    0_0
19:09 Calinou       ø_ø
19:09 PenguinDad    Ø_Ø
19:09 Calinou       °_°
19:11 Krock         ([Õ_Õ])
19:22 UukGoblin     is there any way I could trigger gunpowder ignition?
19:22 UukGoblin     like from a microcontroller?
19:23 VanessaE      maybe a pipeworks nodebreaker loaded with a torch? :)
19:23 UukGoblin     awesome! :-)
19:24 UukGoblin     thanks
19:24 VanessaE      I've never tried that
19:24 VanessaE      I don't know if it'll work
19:24 UukGoblin     I see they can also dig
19:24 VanessaE      I just know that nodebreakers dig using whatever they're loaded with
19:24 UukGoblin     pretty cool
19:24 sfan5         VanessaE: if it does an on_punch it will work
19:24 UukGoblin     well, it actually says they use a mese pick
19:24 VanessaE      so maybe the dig action will trigger that
19:24 VanessaE      UukGoblin: by default but you can put something else in them to dig with
19:25 UukGoblin     ah, that's great :-)
19:25 VanessaE      sfan5: hm, ok.  never tried it anyway
19:25 sfan5         Krock: 1) why are you not in #minetest-de ? 2) eventuell kürzt man überlicherweise mit evtl. ab (nicht ev.)
19:26 Calinou       #minetest-fr has me and ChanServ, usually
19:26 Calinou       sometimes jp
19:28 Calinou       https://gitorious.org/projects/calinou/issues
19:28 Calinou       halleliuah
19:28 Calinou       VanessaE, ^
19:28 Calinou       it looks like it's per-project and not per-repository
19:29 VanessaE      Calinou: yay :)
19:30 Calinou       will link to it in my topics
19:30 Krock         hallelujah
19:32 Krock         Calinou, no issues = users are think, it's nt enough important to report them
19:32 Krock         :P
19:32 Krock         -are
19:34 Calinou       https://gitorious.org/calinou → added bug tracker button below project name
19:34 Calinou       Krock, issues are per-project (this means the same issue tracker is used for Carbone and the mods), but there probably won't be tons of issues, so I can triage them by hand.
19:34 Calinou       I'll tag depending on the affected repository
19:35 Calinou       feel free to submit some stuff
19:36 Calinou       bye
19:37 Krock         bye
19:39 Calinou       http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Compiling_Minetest&diff=2250&oldid=2247 → bibrary
19:39 Calinou       http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Compiling_Minetest&diff=1716&oldid=1715 → they did it :)
19:44 Krock         visual studio isn't required for compiling only
20:03 sfan5         !c math.sqrt
20:03 MinetestBot   <built-in function sqrt>
20:04 sfan5         !c math.sqrt(5*5*7), math.sqrt(5*5) * math.sqrt(7), 5 * math.sqrt(7)
20:04 MinetestBot   (13.228756555322953, 13.228756555322953, 13.228756555322953)
20:13 sfan5         meow
20:14 Exio          \o/
20:14 Exio          BNFC
20:14 Exio          now i have the AST
20:14 Exio          and i can interprete it
20:14 Exio          i have my made-up programming language! :D
20:17 * sfan5       throws a brainfuck to c optimizing compiler at Exio
20:17 Exio          i have a (dynamic) functional language now \o/
20:19 * sfan5       throws other dynamic languages at Exio
20:21 Exio          sfan5, http://spark-public.s3.amazonaws.com/proglang/assignments/hw5.pdf
20:21 sfan5         pff
20:21 sfan5         copy-paste
20:22 Exio          ?_?
20:22 Exio          i based my MUPL on that one, but i'm coding in haskell, not racket
20:22 sfan5         o_o
20:22 sfan5         o
20:22 sfan5         ok+
20:22 sfan5         s/+//
20:22 Exio          what
20:26 UukGoblin     funny... you can only fill a bucket from lava sources
20:26 UukGoblin     so even though there's plenty of lava flowing... once you convert a source into a non-source by filling your bucket... heh
20:26 UukGoblin     it runs out!
20:30 UukGoblin     can I kick the green balls out for good? they keep respawning in one particular spot...
20:31 UukGoblin     they must have a nest there or something
20:35 MinetestBot   GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Speedup mapblock_mesh f0db6c4 2014-07-17T22:28:14+02:00 http://git.io/NlOioA
20:46 UukGoblin     hmm, the "moreores" mod seems to add copper, tin, silver and gold - but I've found copper and gold in stock minecraft already :-O
20:51 UukGoblin     one more thing - "Trying to store id=xx statically but block (x, y, z) already contains 82 objects. Forcing delete." <- is that safely ignorable?
20:51 UukGoblin     I keep getting quite a lot of these now
20:52 UukGoblin     started with about 50 objects, it's at 80 now
21:04 sapier        UukGoblin: partial
21:04 sapier        those entities wont be permanent as they aren't saved
21:04 jp__          This topic can bring confusion with the another Calinou's MoreBlocks : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2817
21:04 Jordach       wait wait wait wait
21:04 Jordach       RealBadAngel, where's the freaking meshnodes
21:07 Jordach       you like asked me in JUNE to do something
21:08 VanessaE      he's at work, Jordach
21:08 Jordach       VanessaE, 11pm over there D:
21:09 Jordach       VanessaE, good news
21:09 Jordach       you might have a gift for homedecor :)
21:09 VanessaE      he works odd hours
21:09 VanessaE      oh?
21:09 Jordach       VanessaE, however, it's probably maybe not going to work :P
21:11 Jordach       or might, that's the question :3
21:11 Jordach       (hint - it'll look stupidly amazing
21:11 VanessaE      well let me see the damn thing already :P
21:11 * Jordach     constructs it for BFD
21:12 Jordach       i don't use other games to develop from :P
21:15 VanessaE      :P
21:16 Jordach       however, you'll have to figure the crafting out
21:16 VanessaE      I'll come up with something, if you'll show me what it IS :)
21:17 Jordach       tl;dr i fucked up again
21:22 * Jordach     isn't sure about being an asshole with this by not using a plane or deciding on something mush easier to texture
21:38 UukGoblin     one of the mods (tecnic? moreores? pipeworks?) changed my steel ingots into wrought iron ingots :-O
21:39 VanessaE      technic.
21:39 VanessaE      it's still the same thing, it's just renamed.
21:39 VanessaE      it'll still work in all recipes that call for steel ingots.
21:40 UukGoblin     hmm
21:40 UukGoblin     doesn't seem to want to combine with copper to form bronze, though
21:40 VanessaE      good.
21:40 PenguinDad    UukGoblin: don't be sacred of wrought iron
21:40 VanessaE      that's because it shouldn't.
21:40 VanessaE      use TIN and copper.
21:40 UukGoblin     oh.
21:40 PenguinDad    *scared
21:40 VanessaE      (and I think you use an alloy furnace to make that)
21:40 UukGoblin     right.
21:41 UukGoblin     thanks :-)
21:42 Exio          \o/
21:42 Exio          MUPL IS ALIVE!!! MUAHAHAHAHA
21:43 VanessaE      ?
21:43 Exio          my made up programming language
21:43 UukGoblin     uhm, congrats, I guess ;-)
21:43 VanessaE      oh
21:43 Exio          i guess too
21:43 PenguinDad    MUPL == Maniac user proud of lamps
21:44 Exio          Made-Up Programming Language
21:44 Exio          also, the syntax i'm using atm http://dpaste.com/03FEJDY
21:56 UukGoblin     so where can I find the new tools? like, what's the most kick-ass pickaxe now? Can I make one out of brass?
21:56 UukGoblin     is stainless steel good for swords / shovels etc?
21:59 UukGoblin     omg a green ball appeared out of nowhere... they're scary
22:28 UukGoblin     am I right that after installing all these new mods, the new ores should start appearing after I dig up roughly 16x16 blocks down?
22:30 VanessaE      new ores will appear in map areas you haven't explored yet
22:30 VanessaE      I don't know if there's a brass pick though
22:30 VanessaE      I forget what all stainless steel is used for
22:30 VanessaE      a green ball?  screenshot?
22:31 VanessaE      most kick-ass pick is probably still a mese pick.  note to self:  un-nerf it in Dreambuilder at some point.
22:32 UukGoblin     hmm
22:32 UukGoblin     1337 uses vs diamond's 30
22:32 UukGoblin     yeah, that wins if true
22:32 UukGoblin     VanessaE, ok, I'll screenshot the green ball next time I see it
22:34 UukGoblin     those "new map areas" - that's what I'm thinking. After digging 16 cubes deep, these should be new areas, right?
22:35 UukGoblin     I've found some mese and diamond, but still no tin or silver yet
22:35 VanessaE      it depends on how much you have already explored
22:36 UukGoblin     on the surface - quite a lot
22:36 UukGoblin     deep underground - just a long tunnel down
22:36 VanessaE      I don't know how deep the map generates by default, probably 5 mapblocks (80m)
22:37 VanessaE      well that tunnel will have a fairly wide berth of "old" map generated around it also
22:37 UukGoblin     right
22:38 UukGoblin     so in short, keep digging
22:38 VanessaE      yup
22:38 UukGoblin     I'm getting good at this. :-D
22:38 VanessaE      but I don't know how deep the ores you're interested in will go
22:38 UukGoblin     I'm at -335 right now
22:38 UukGoblin     are you saying tin might be a shallow one?
22:38 VanessaE      it might be, I dunno
22:39 VanessaE      check the code :)
22:39 UukGoblin     :-]
22:39 UukGoblin     yeah, RTFS actually works a lot of time
22:39 VanessaE      hm
22:39 UukGoblin     but docs would be nice too ;-)
22:39 VanessaE      the code seems to suggest it'll just keep on going
22:39 UukGoblin     good. thanks :-)
22:39 VanessaE      8 meters and on down
22:40 VanessaE      +8 that is
22:40 VanessaE      silver from -2 on down
22:40 VanessaE      mithril from -512 on down
22:42 UukGoblin     ta
22:42 UukGoblin     mithril should be fun
22:42 UukGoblin     I saw some teleporting chests
22:43 UukGoblin     aha! my first zinc lump
22:43 UukGoblin     at -359
22:43 UukGoblin     you were right about the 80 meters then, I started the new mod at around -260
22:44 VanessaE      :)
23:19 UukGoblin     wanna sell cobblestone
23:22 UukGoblin     something's wrong with this gravel
23:22 UukGoblin     firstly, when you shovel it from the bottom, to top-most blocks sometimes disappear
23:22 UukGoblin     (same happens e.g. with papyrus, and sometimes leaves)
23:23 UukGoblin     when I came back to an area where I did this, now I see a lot of randomly placed new gravel blocks, which I can't shovel off
23:23 UukGoblin     (sometimes I can, sometimes not)
23:23 UukGoblin     when I mouse over it, I see GenericCAO hp=10 armor={immortal=1, }
23:26 Jordach       http://paste.debian.net/110347/ meta:set_string isn't saving
23:28 * Jordach     pokes CraigyDavi`
23:41 Jordach       I'M AN IDIOT
23:44 Exio          old news
23:52 UukGoblin     VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/Qk4OW0V.png
23:53 UukGoblin     the green ball screenshot ^
23:53 VanessaE      wtf?
23:53 VanessaE      what is that thing?
23:53 UukGoblin     it merrily jumps up and down, attacks me when I get close, and splits into 2 smaller balls when I attack it
23:53 VanessaE      sounds like a slime?
23:53 UukGoblin     has a healthbar, but one smite from my diamond sword kills it
23:54 UukGoblin     I wish I knew what it was.
23:54 UukGoblin     can I maybe debug it somehow?
23:54 VanessaE      idk :)
23:59 UukGoblin     \o/ first Mithril lump