Time  Nick              Message
00:09 Zeno`             Are you awake RealBadAngel?
00:09 Zeno`             I'm looking at make_ltree() and those chances seem back to front to me :/
00:10 Zeno`             the chance of inserting rule a is only 10% (based on the conditional being >=)
00:13 Zeno`             does anyone know where PseudoRandom is declared?
00:15 ShadowNinja       ''tell Jordach I have an alternative bot with a working tell plugin for now.  :-)
00:15 HLuaBot           I'll tell that to "Jordach" next time I see them around.
00:20 Zeno`             RealBadAngel, is ps.next() (PseudoRandom) intentionally omitted in the first loop of make_ltree() ?
00:40 hmmmm             wow
00:40 hmmmm             so that was it
00:40 hmmmm             today was my last day of work
00:43 hmmmm             feels kinda sad
01:22 ShadowNinja       hmmmm: What did you work for?  And what are you going to do now?
01:24 hmmmm             the past year I worked on embedded real time nonsense for military aircraft communications, really neat projects but even better people
01:25 hmmmm             now i'm going to be working on some sort of enterprise security product, nobody ever specified which piece i'll be working on specifically so i presume i'll be able to float around
01:25 hmmmm             best part about it is, this new job is fully remote
01:25 hmmmm             i just have to take a drive up to new england a few times a year
01:26 hmmmm             more minetest time, yay
01:26 Zeno`             are you prepared for that?
01:26 ShadowNinja       Interesting.
01:26 hmmmm             yeah i am
01:26 hmmmm             so i'm moving back home on sunday
01:26 Zeno`             I work remotely and it sounds great but there can be adjustments required :)
01:27 hmmmm             perhaps, yeah.  i don't think it'll be much different from working on minetest though
01:27 Zeno`             I actually have 2 computers... my "work one" and this one so I can separate work from play
01:27 Zeno`             (I have more than 2 computers, but I'm simplifying heh)
01:27 hmmmm             yeah, that's how i'm going to have it set up.  they're giving me a stipend to buy home office equipment, and I'll use the work computer separately for the home office tax break
01:27 Zeno`             yeah, good plan
01:27 hmmmm             it also helps that at home i have office furniture set up already in my room
01:27 hmmmm             hahaha
01:30 Zeno`             :)
01:30 Zeno`             I actually do /all/ my 5 days work in 2 lol
01:30 Megaf             sfan5; Hi there
01:31 Zeno`             so I have 3 days off (well, I have to be available but I rarely do anything)
01:41 domtron           I was curious about something. Why does the minetest server keep track of inventory organization? for example I have a slow Internet connection. If I move an item stack from inventory slot A to slot B I have a short lag before the change is updated. It seems that the server should only care about how many slots are being used and what items they are. Not the specific item stack locations.
02:13 isnotroot         Is there an Gentoo ebuild or layman overlay for minetest?
05:33 Ben_____          IIs there someone that can help me run minetest?
05:44 MinetestBot       GIT: sfan5 commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix typo in README https:/ 2014-07-12T07:42:38+02:00 http://git.io/zEEnQA
05:52 Miner_48er        is there another method to send player name with minetest:place_node?
05:53 Miner_48er        to be compatible with areas
06:23 sfan5             Miner_48er: send a player name with place_node?
06:23 sfan5             you want the mod getting the on_placenode action to think it was <player>?
06:24 Miner_48er        yes for compatibility with areas
06:25 Miner_48er        https://github.com/RHRhino/lantern/blob/master/init.lua#L86
06:25 sfan5             set_node is not affected by areas
06:25 Miner_48er        replaced with place_node
06:26 sfan5             I don't think that is affected by it either
06:26 sfan5             areas only does something with actual players placing something
06:26 sfan5             mods can place nodes in any areas without restrictions
06:28 Miner_48er        ACTION[ServerThread]:  tried to place lantern:fence_lampost at protected position (166,47,365)
06:28 sfan5             then don't use place_noe
06:28 sfan5             node*
06:30 Miner_48er        what should I use?
06:33 Zeno`             on_place maybe
06:33 Zeno`             actually, after_place_node has the placer object as well
06:33 Zeno`             what are you doing?
06:36 Miner_48er        removing set_node from this mod
06:37 Miner_48er        to prevent griefing since it's multinode
06:50 sfan5             Miner_48er: use minetest.is_protected()
06:52 Miner_48er        would that be compatible with areas?
07:36 Krock             hi
07:39 Jordach           i got up early again
07:39 Jordach           wtf is wrong with me
07:40 Krock             Jordach, just 1 minute later than me :P
07:40 Jordach           Krock, i'll usually get up 1pm GMT+0
07:40 Krock             Jordach, no lunch?
07:41 Jordach           nope
07:41 Krock             ugh...
07:41 Krock             wait, that means, you have lunch
07:41 Krock             no + no = yes
07:53 Krock             Interesting how much download sites use the User-Agent string... I'm getting 64-bit downloads now :3
08:14 sfan5             Miner_48er: yes
08:16 sfan5             Jordach: what's your time zone (relative to cest)?
08:22 Jordach           sfan5, i'm GMT+0 (London)
08:22 sfan5             (relative to cest)
08:22 sfan5             just tell me what time you have
08:22 Jordach           9:22am
08:22 sfan5             thats CEST-1
08:22 * sfan5           has CEST+0
08:23 * e1z0            has EEST+2
08:23 * Krock           has KROCKTIME+0
08:24 * Krock           meows af sfan5
08:25 * sfan5           purrs af Krock
08:33 Calinou           hi
08:33 Krock             hi Calinou
08:34 * Calinou         got “Trackmania 2 demo available” e-mail just as he plays Stunt Rally
08:35 e1z0              :O
10:16 LemonLake         ニャー
10:16 Hirato            nyaa yourself
10:17 Hirato            ニョロ
10:18 LemonLake         niyoro?
10:18 Hirato            that 'yo' is small
10:18 LemonLake         nyoro
10:18 Hirato            ヨ <- big yo ョ <-- little yo
10:18 Hirato            yup
10:19 LemonLake         can't tell at this font size
10:20 Hirato            I only know enough japanese to say silly things like: りんごを食べて下さい
10:20 LemonLake         ditto
10:21 LemonLake         but im learning the language from a 'tourist standpoint' i suppose
10:21 LemonLake         猫 << sfan tought me that one
10:21 Krock             ¥
10:21 Hirato            tfw when chinese read it as 'mao'
10:23 Hirato            ねこにペットする
10:23 LemonLake         why not just use the kanji?
10:24 Hirato            forgot to hit the compose key
10:24 Hirato            haha
10:24 Hirato            I'm not sure if I used the right particle either...
10:25 LemonLake         what are you trying to say?
10:25 Hirato            something about petting a cat
10:25 LemonLake         i think that's correct
10:36 sfan5             LemonLake: *taught
10:48 LemonLake         sfan5: im tired k?
11:00 sfan5             LemonLake: im kitten k?
11:00 LemonLake         k
11:01 Zeno`             I is kitten?
11:02 * sfan5           is a kitten
11:02 * sfan5           curls up to Zeno`'s lap
11:02 Zeno`             lol
11:05 LemonLake         How can I set an item's velocity and have it slowly go down?
11:05 LemonLake         Whenever I set the velocity/accell of one, it just flies off infinitely
11:06 * Krock           is almost done which his own carts-rewrite
11:06 Krock             LemonLake, use on_step and use self.object:setvelocity(vel)
11:06 LemonLake         Wouldn't that require looping through the objects?
11:07 Krock             nope
11:07 LemonLake         Oh, set the on_step of the item itself?
11:07 Krock             yes
11:07 Krock             item...? object
11:08 LemonLake         luaentitysao
11:08 Krock             *entity
11:08 LemonLake         of a dropped item
11:08 Krock             oh
11:08 Krock             if the collisionbox and so is too big, it won't stop
11:08 Krock             I know that
11:08 Krock             ehm.. no fix made so far
11:08 LemonLake         damn
11:09 LemonLake         I suppose in on_step I can just turn it's velocity down over time
11:10 LemonLake         I'll just make my own version of the item_entity that does that
11:10 LemonLake         swap them out in an abm
11:11 LemonLake         unless there's a way to change on_step during runtime?
11:12 Krock             nope, but you can override them at start
11:15 LemonLake         so would it be wise to make a custom item_entity, and just swap them out when necessary?
11:15 * sfan5           meows at LemonLake
11:15 PenguinDad        yay! https://mediacru.sh/8d411f16b934
11:16 LemonLake         actually, i don't think there's a point
11:16 LemonLake         i'll stick with move_to as ugly as it looks
11:24 LemonLake         hmm...
11:25 LemonLake         yep, gonna install mediawiki on my site
11:26 LemonLake         ^ love the name, markv
11:27 * joined_the_chan asks (m5|markv|markveidemanis|[marktwain]) to be unbanned
11:27 LemonLake         banned?
11:27 joined_the_chan   /mode #minetest +b
11:27 joined_the_chan   * #minetest: *!*@unaffiliated/marktwain on Sat Jul 12 12:20:13 2014 by holmes.freenode.net
11:27 LemonLake         why were you banned in the first place?
11:28 joined_the_chan   I forgot
11:28 joined_the_chan   Was a week ago
11:29 joined_the_chan   It seems I was able to join with markv though
11:29 LemonLake         hm
11:29 LemonLake         okay
11:29 joined_the_chan   http://www.lakelemon.org/
11:30 LemonLake         http://lemonlake.nuclearstorm.net
11:30 LemonLake         revamping that site, last used it 2 years ago
11:30 LemonLake         and the webhost is going to buy me a domain soon as thanks for helping him
11:30 LemonLake         the site is slow atm because im doing a 7k file sftp transfer
11:30 orgnetcom         Kewl
11:31 orgnetcom         7k?
11:31 orgnetcom         Tiny
11:31 LemonLake         mediawiki
11:31 LemonLake         what, 7000 files?
11:31 orgnetcom         Oh
11:31 orgnetcom         ...
11:31 orgnetcom         Not archived?
11:31 LemonLake         that would've been smarter....
11:31 LemonLake         im such a knob
11:32 orgnetcom         lol
11:32 orgnetcom         wget would have been smarter
11:32 LemonLake         we're only halfway through the linux haul
11:32 orgnetcom         I'm lucky to have cPanel
11:32 LemonLake         haven't got that quite yet
11:33 LemonLake         saturday i get ssh access to the centos
11:33 LemonLake         right now he's running the ethernet throughout the entire setup
11:35 orgnetcom         10GB is surprisingly little...
11:35 orgnetcom         What about DokuWiki?
11:53 LemonLake         How can I make it so that you can place a node on the floor + walls + ceiling?
11:53 LemonLake         It's sorta like a slab.
11:56 SylvieLorxu       Eww, cPanel
11:56 SylvieLorxu       I quite prefer a VPS with Vesta over cPanel any day :P
11:56 LemonLake         I prefer SSH any day
11:56 SylvieLorxu       SSH is nice, but adding mail adresses and so is easier with a control panel
11:56 SylvieLorxu       And Vesta serves me quite well there
11:57 LemonLake         Still
11:57 LemonLake         that's just being lazy ;)
11:58 SylvieLorxu       On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, clients can manage their domain then too :P
11:58 LemonLake         yes, that's for clients.
11:58 SylvieLorxu       And lazy sysadmins
11:59 SylvieLorxu       Vesta isn't much more than a PHP front-end to a collection of shell scripts anyway, but it works well :P
12:03 orgnetcom         vesta looks cool
12:12 orgnetcom         awesome
12:12 orgnetcom         afain
12:12 orgnetcom         *again
12:14 PenguinDad        !help
12:14 MinetestBot       https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
12:14 LemonLake         ummmm
12:14 LemonLake         is it just me or did everyone just get netsplitted?
12:14 LemonLake         FUUUEUUFEUUU
12:14 LemonLake         am i high or something
12:14 LemonLake         or did everyone just get netsplitted
12:14 PenguinDad        LemonLake: that was a netsplit happens quite often
12:14 LemonLake         duuude
12:14 SylvieLorxu       LemonLake: Not everyone
12:14 LemonLake         the nick list is all over the fucin place
12:14 SylvieLorxu       Only about 40 people
12:14 orgnetcom         I connected to holmes a while ago
12:14 SylvieLorxu       So about 40% of the chat
12:14 orgnetcom         Found it was empty
12:14 LemonLake         that's freaky
12:14 orgnetcom         #freenode was conpletely empty
12:14 orgnetcom         Also services gone
12:14 orgnetcom         But people's rDNS is cool :P
12:14 LemonLake         that's actually freaky
12:14 PenguinDad        LemonLake: if you want to see big netsplits join #dogecoin at netsplit time
12:14 orgnetcom         Pretty common
12:14 orgnetcom         No, #ubuntu
12:14 orgnetcom         is biggest channel
12:14 LemonLake         in theory couldn't people abuse a netsplit to get on a private chan?
12:14 orgnetcom         #spam is invite only
12:14 orgnetcom         So yes
12:14 orgnetcom         Not that I ever have ^.^
12:14 SylvieLorxu       LemonLake: How do you mean private?
12:14 orgnetcom         Invite only
12:14 SylvieLorxu       If a channel in invite-only then they can't AFAIK
12:14 orgnetcom         * You have been kicked from #spam by ChanServ (Invite only channel)
12:14 PenguinDad        orgnetcom: # is invite only too
12:14 LemonLake         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_riding
12:14 orgnetcom         #asdfg
12:15 SylvieLorxu       #aoeui
12:15 orgnetcom         # is very private...
12:15 orgnetcom         http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/10/10/how-not-to-get-banned-on-freenode/
12:17 LemonLake         wait
12:17 LemonLake         so is #asdfg like an fbi chan or somethin?
12:19 orgnetcom         ...
12:19 LemonLake         reading the comments, i see
12:19 orgnetcom         Corse
12:19 orgnetcom         The FBI use freenode
12:19 LemonLake         orgnetcom: i was jokin
12:19 orgnetcom         No I can tell you the ip of their net
12:21 LemonLake         wouldn't make a diff to me
12:21 orgnetcom         irc.cit2.net
12:22 LemonLake         umm
12:22 LemonLake         isn't that a gta sa modding community?
12:23 orgnetcom         ...
12:23 orgnetcom         DogeCoin spams me
12:23 orgnetcom         Or a late `on channel enter` message
12:23 LemonLake         that's called advertising
12:25 orgnetcom         no
12:25 orgnetcom         -DogeCoin- _ Welcome to the Dogecoin IRC channel!
12:25 LemonLake         I can't seem to figure out how to get the staticdata of an itementity, can someone help?
12:25 LemonLake         I'm trying all sorts of function combinations etc
12:34 LemonLake         :/
12:56 LemonLake         oops
12:57 LemonLake         forgot to remove the old itementity...
12:57 LemonLake         world is now full of mossy cobblestone items
13:14 * Krock           wrote a more efficient carts mod but it's full of bugs :<
13:15 LemonLake         :/
13:19 LemonLake         whoa
13:19 LemonLake         the unknown entity texture freaked me out a little
13:19 LemonLake         it looks fancy
14:06 LemonLake         Jordach: existant?
14:17 MinetestBot       GIT: proller commited to minetest/minetest: Remove math mapgen 7df83c2 2014-07-12T18:15:55+04:00 http://git.io/31ZsOw
14:24 Krock             ah.
14:25 * PenguinDad      hugs Krock
14:25 MinetestBot       GIT: proller commited to minetest/minetest: Remove indev mapgen 2d90aca 2014-07-12T18:21:54+04:00 http://git.io/1XeRfA
14:25 PenguinDad        Finally!
14:25 * Krock           hugs PenguinDad
14:26 Krock             why?
14:26 PenguinDad        Krock: https://github.com/SmallJoker/noisetest
14:26 Krock             k
14:26 LemonLake         ggg
14:29 MinetestBot       GIT: proller commited to minetest/minetest: Remove proller from credits 3feece1 2014-07-12T18:28:17+04:00 http://git.io/8mEuVA
14:31 LemonLake         wat
14:35 Krock             why, proller?
14:36 Jordach           LemonLake, yes
14:37 LemonLake         Jordach: nvm anymore :P
14:37 Jordach           was hunting down my old Yu-Gi-Oh cards
14:37 Jordach           btw, i looked at real animated water today, as seen in my last post
14:37 Jordach           and the two look almost identical in pattern shape
14:38 LemonLake         I'm still trying to think of what to do for my next anime wallpaper
14:39 * Calinou         gives LemonLake 3 copper coins
14:39 LemonLake         probably Kotoura-San
14:40 SylvieLorxu       http://www.1111comics.me/comic/99/
14:49 kaeza             mornings
14:49 LemonLake         goodmorning
14:49 Jordach           wow i'm rusty
14:49 Jordach           LemonLake, sfan5; my local city has an anime store
14:50 LemonLake         Jordach: whats it called?
14:50 sfan5             o.O
14:50 Krock             moin kaeza
14:51 LemonLake         CeX sells -some- anime iirc
14:55 Jordach           http://www.komikku.co.uk/ <- LemonLake
14:56 sfan5             'We will be back as soon as possible. Please check back soon.'
14:56 sfan5             lol
14:56 Jordach           sfan5, instore is just as good :P
14:56 sfan5             I'm not in the UK you know..
14:56 LemonLake         lol
14:57 LemonLake         Jordach: that's a 2 1/4 hr drive from my house in current traffic
14:57 Jordach           LemonLake, you can move in if you pay rent :3
15:05 twoelk            Lemonlake: A little pic showing about as far as I ever whent drawing Japanes style ;-) http://www.woelknet.de/pages2/pics/Lightbearer-edit2.gif
15:14 * Krock           knows twoelk's name now
15:15 twoelk            never was a secret
15:18 twoelk            just noticed that homepage has one of my rare experiments with drawing with mouse freehand http://www.woelknet.de/pagesold/images/Pastorf.gif
15:20 sfan5             .gif?
15:22 twoelk            yeah lossfree, small and animatable - sigh - long time ago
15:23 * sfan5           throws apng at twoelk
15:24 twoelk            did I mention "a long time ago"? these pics where made in the last century :-(
15:27 twoelk            Watch the picture at the bottom of the page: http://www.woelknet.de/pagesold/kirchen/HL-Mar.htm
15:29 kaeza             is apng widely supported yet?
15:29 MinetestBot       GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Disable source IP check because it causes problems (see minetest/minetest#1471) 757e186 2014-07-12T17:26:16+02:00 http://git.io/aoqktQ
15:29 PenguinDad        s/century/millennium/
15:29 sfan5             kaeza: no
15:29 CWz               R.I.P  indev and math mapgen
15:29 Calinou           and RIP proller too, he's no longer counted as a contributor
15:30 Calinou           CWz, math frequently segfaulted for me, indev wasn't of much use
15:30 Jordach           Calinou, no need to worry about him
15:30 Jordach           he's an ass
15:30 Calinou           we have v6, v7, singlenode, good enough
15:30 Calinou           kind of, sometimes
15:30 Jordach           write a mod to regain functions if you want
15:31 Krock             Jordach, you're kind :)
15:31 Krock             <Jordach>he's an ass
15:32 sfan5             Jordach is always kins
15:32 sfan5             kind*
15:32 CWz               what was the difference between  v6 and indev, other then floatlands and bigger caves?
15:33 sfan5             nothing
15:36 Calinou           the map was more hilly near the edges of the world
15:37 Calinou           very hilly at ~30000
15:37 Calinou           fairly hilly at ~4000
15:37 Calinou           exactly like v6 at 0-1000
15:38 * Krock           looks at text above and wants indev back
15:40 Calinou           it was extremely annoying
15:40 Calinou           it made the sides of the map unusable and looking like the versions of Minetest from October-November 2010
15:46 Krock             so, there already as a indev-like mapgen in 2010?
15:48 Calinou           no, but it was hilly as hell
15:49 VanessaE          hi all
15:49 kaeza             mornings V
15:50 Jordach_          wat the fack
15:50 Jordach_          why did irc just crash D:
15:50 VanessaE          hey kaeza
15:50 * kaeza           is creating a GUI toolkit for pygame
15:50 VanessaE          Jordach_: when doesn't it? :P
15:50 kaeza             designing an EntryBox is a PITA :I
15:51 Calinou           hi VanessaE
15:51 VanessaE          greetz Calinou
15:51 VanessaE          Calinou: blockmen doesn't like my "dark, looks like an actual 19th century steel ingot" ingot :(
15:52 Calinou           well, BlockMen wants Minecraft
15:52 Jordach_          VanessaE, this isn't realtest
15:52 VanessaE          https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/271
15:52 VanessaE          Jordach_: ehm, see there ^^^
15:52 Calinou           contrary to common belief, ingots are not excessively shiny
15:52 VanessaE          Calinou: I know.
15:53 VanessaE          hence why I varied the luster according to the metal I was making them for.
15:53 Jordach           11 hours 12 minutes render
15:53 Jordach           bring it on i say :3
15:53 Calinou           if it doesn't shibe, then it's lackluster
15:53 Jordach           i have wii sports, i'll be fine :3
15:53 Calinou           (-:
15:53 Calinou           Jordach, use Tesseract :3
15:53 Jordach           feck off
15:54 Jordach           i like my raytracer
15:54 Jordach           and you try getting my near perfect models working in it :3
15:54 kaeza             I personally like the dark steel ingots more
15:54 * Krock           would like to see a pull request like that one on his game :(
15:55 Krock             eh. none cares
15:55 kaeza             actually, I don't know why smelting iron yields steel right-away
15:55 Krock             cuz iron isn't enough robust
15:56 * kaeza           likes the technic way, with different kinds of iron/steel
15:56 Calinou           pull requests are not entirely funny
15:56 Calinou           people don't respect conventions, make crappy textures, or both at the same time
15:57 Calinou           or they don't balance the stuff at all
15:57 Calinou           Carbone's never had a PR yet and I don't particularly seek them (but you can make one if you want, it's on Gitorious)
15:58 VanessaE          kaeza: see my comment - imho our "steel" ingot is more like pig iron anyway, given how we make it
15:58 kaeza             ^that
16:00 kaeza             but it seems everyone ignores these complaints in the grounds of "this is not reality, this is a game"
16:00 VanessaE          right
16:00 VanessaE          but I'm basing this on what we actually DO in the game now
16:00 VanessaE          asin, not reality
16:00 VanessaE          but actual gameplay
16:00 VanessaE          we don't make steel when we smelt iron in a furnace
16:00 VanessaE          we just call it that.
16:01 twoelk            too much realism makes gameplay cumbersome
16:01 VanessaE          twoelk: sure, but we're just talking about the texture for an existing craftitem.
16:02 VanessaE          twoelk: not any change whatsoever to the existing gameplay.
16:02 Calinou           twoelk, exactly what Carbone tries to avoid :P
16:02 Krock             just do it in between of that brown and silver
16:02 kaeza             twoelk, sure, but then, too little realism also carries other problems ("fuck common sense" anyone?)
16:03 VanessaE          twoelk: iron + fuel --> furnace --> "steel ingot" but it looks more like a silver ingot the way the texture is drawn.  I just changed it to look more like a raw, low-quality steel ingot.  that's all.
16:04 twoelk            well the stuff at the smithy seldom looks all shiney
16:04 twoelk            polishing comes later
16:05 VanessaE          exactly my point.
16:05 VanessaE          read the issue and comment on it :)
16:05 VanessaE          and yes, I will argue to the death over a single 16px texture :)
16:06 * twoelk          still tries to stay away from github
16:06 Calinou           stay close to Gitorious then
16:07 VanessaE          well the issue is on github because the code is there, I can't change that :P
16:07 PenguinDad        hmm, I always thought minetest's steel is more like sponge iron than pig iron
16:09 Krock             Calinou, what's the functional difference between those git* sites?
16:09 Calinou           they don't have the same feature set, depending on pricing, they have different looks
16:10 Calinou           some release their backend, some don't
16:24 Krock             k
16:28 twoelk            thinking about the "icon", it is above all a symbol in a "gaming-language", so to function it should firstly achieve to be understood according to the "common-language" of games and realism should come after that. Oh well - nothing new I guess
16:30 twoelk            and way to theoretical to be helpfull ;-P
16:41 BlockMen          http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-07-12#i_3810540 lol
16:41 BlockMen          funny that you are saying this
16:48 kaeza             Krock, you use MSVC?
16:49 Krock             kaeza, no. my builds topic sais "MaxGW"
16:49 kaeza             ah :/
16:50 kaeza             wish I could get my wireless modem working again on Linux
16:52 kaeza             ah fek, I'm going back to 'buntu 12.04
16:55 fireglow          Hi, yesterday I've wanted to migrate from freeminer to minetest, today I've finally gotten around to it. I'm facing a problem, the minetestserver can't determine the gametype: http://bpaste.net/show/UC7AYqeJVZaUvtSosHpq/
16:55 fireglow          what can I do?
16:56 Krock             Using world gameid []
16:56 Krock             what does map_meta contain?
16:56 Krock             * world.mt
16:56 PenguinDad        fireglow: what's in your world.mt
16:57 PenguinDad        +?
16:57 Krock             ninja'd
16:57 fireglow          Krock: http://bpaste.net/show/b7NUw55ByBfmJW1Zlrmt/
16:57 Krock             <Krock>* world.mt
16:57 fireglow          PenguinDad: http://bpaste.net/show/ihdZNu4aFc6AUjm76qI2/
16:58 fireglow          & Krock =)
16:58 fireglow          right, change 'default' to 'minetest'?
16:58 Krock             yes, try that
16:58 fireglow          okay
16:59 fireglow          okay, it started! I'll try to connect
17:01 fireglow          woot, works!
17:01 fireglow          haha, I didnt' disable fire, now all the things are on fire
17:02 fireglow          it's alright, it's only a snapshot
17:02 rubenwardy        Hi all!
17:03 Calinou           Carbone's fire is quite nerfed :p
17:03 Calinou           default fire is quite insane when it comes to spreading
17:03 fireglow          yeah :D
17:04 fireglow          I'll check out Carbone later
17:10 fireglow          if this migration holds up, it was surprisingly painless to do
17:16 fireglow          can the minetest client display the playerlist somehow? Like, upon pressing Tab or something?
17:17 Calinou           no, you have to type /status
17:17 Calinou           look at the right of the status line
17:17 BlockMen          fireglow, currently not. there are to pulls for that
17:17 fireglow          alright, cool, thanks
17:20 fireglow          okay, I need help with this finite_liquid business... what does it actually do?
17:20 fireglow          do I even need to bother about it?
17:21 fireglow          does it mean that a water_source block doesn't spawn an infinite amout of water_flowing, or even other water_sources?
17:23 PenguinDad        fireglow: since the lastest minetest version doesn't contain finite_liquid anymore you shouldn't have to worry about that
17:23 PenguinDad        *latest
17:24 fireglow          okay, cool
17:24 fireglow          does a cave dug into an ocean still fill up the whole cave system underneath?
17:25 LemonLake         hi everyone
17:26 LemonLake         does anyone have any ideas for factory?
17:27 werwerwer         fear factory
17:27 LemonLake         hm?
17:28 werwerwer         heavy metal band, neverming, tried to make a joke
17:28 werwerwer         *nevermind
17:28 LemonLake         ah okay
17:28 LemonLake         im not up-to-date with my bands :p
17:31 LemonLake         hmm...maybe liquid storage?
17:31 LemonLake         like portable liquid drums
17:31 LemonLake         using glasslike_framed
17:32 * Krock           points at Jordach's stroage nodes
17:33 LemonLake         i don't like jordach's version
17:33 LemonLake         glasslike is much more efficient
17:35 Calinou           glasslike_framed is almost as fast to render
17:36 Calinou           you can use two textures to make connected glass
17:36 Krock             https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9741 lol, the 1st answer came from someonewho registered 1minute after the post was written
17:37 coeus             anyone else getting an error when trying to create a new world in singleplayer?
17:37 LemonLake         no
17:37 Calinou           coeus, what error?
17:37 LemonLake         Krock: 4 minutes*
17:38 LemonLake         wait, i see
17:38 Calinou           make sure the path to your Minetest directory has no weird characters, like äâö or spaces
17:38 LemonLake         that's coo
17:38 coeus             "no world name given or no world selected"
17:38 LemonLake         coeus: tried putting in a world name?
17:38 Krock             create a world? :3
17:39 coeus             yea, I assume it is trying to connect to the new world before it technicaly creates it
17:39 LemonLake         pressing 'play game' doesn't create a world
17:39 LemonLake         you have to actually make one first
17:39 coeus             this is from a fresh install through repositories in arch
17:39 Krock             you must create a new world before trying to join one :3
17:40 coeus             new> [enter name] create> error
17:40 Krock             hmm and it's minetest 0.4.10?
17:41 coeus             yes, installed about 30 min ago
17:41 Krock             hmm, what does your debug.txt say?
17:41 coeus             nothing about it
17:42 coeus             a few things showed up when I joined a server (which worked fine)
17:42 * Krock           can't help anymore - never got this error
17:42 LemonLake         ^
17:42 coeus             yea I can't find anything about it anywhere
17:42 LemonLake         what game are you making the world under?
17:42 LemonLake         minetest_game?
17:43 coeus             yep
17:43 coeus             I haven't changed anything since installing
17:44 Krock             can you provide us the full that to your "worlds" folder?
17:44 Krock             çpath
17:44 Krock             **
17:44 coeus             give me a min to find it
17:44 Calinou           don't put your Minetest directory in Program Files
17:45 Calinou           on Windows, you could put it in C:\Games
17:45 Calinou           (create the Games directory if needed)
17:45 coeus             on linux
17:45 LemonLake         ^
17:45 LemonLake         <coeus> this is from a fresh install through repositories in arch
17:45 LemonLake         "in arch"
17:46 coeus             archbang specifically
17:46 LemonLake         bang bang
17:46 * LemonLake       adds one single node
17:46 LemonLake         - error
17:47 LemonLake         am i that shit...
17:48 jp                Hello.
17:48 jp                On Lubuntu 12.04 : http://pastebin.com/fzQugyHW
17:48 LemonLake         glasslike_framed: just looks cool. https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2FE2WedpqVQ_.png
17:48 Krock             +1 Calinou. you think of windows in first case
17:48 LemonLake         Krock: well, most players are on linux.
17:48 LemonLake         s/linux/windows
17:49 Krock             ..or on tablets
17:49 LemonLake         true dat
17:49 fireglow          FreeBSD representin
17:49 Krock             I've the feeling, 2/3 of the players are on a tablet...or they're just stupid
17:49 coeus             I don't believe it has created a worlds folder yet (I haven't actually created any worlds yet), I've ran minetest before (new OS install) and I was thinking it was in home/.minetest but I'm not finding it there or in /usr/share/minetest
17:50 Krock             jp, seems like X is broken
17:50 jp                or GLX missing, idk
17:51 PenguinDad        Krock: I bet they're both
17:51 Krock             possible.
17:51 Krock             btw, minetest doesn't run on windows 2000, tested that a week ago
17:52 LemonLake         i tried it on 3.1
17:52 LemonLake         not enough memory
17:52 Krock             awww
17:52 LemonLake         that's my only windows
17:52 LemonLake         so i have to use linux >.<
17:52 Krock             why?
17:52 LemonLake         because i have enough memory on linux
17:52 Krock             why "I have to use"?
17:52 coeus             are you sad you have to use linux?
17:53 LemonLake         no
17:53 LemonLake         linux is beast
17:53 LemonLake         its like
17:53 LemonLake         cool
17:53 Krock             ah. it seem'd like you don't like it
17:53 LemonLake         of course i like linux, it has screen resolutions and stuff
17:54 coeus             I like that for the most part everything is plug-n-play, no installing countless drivers
17:54 LemonLake         yep
17:54 LemonLake         except sound drivers
17:54 LemonLake         thats complicicated
17:54 coeus             I've never had an issue
17:54 Krock             I <3 message from ingame, like "Use /spawn to spawn" and the answer either "\spawn" or "doesn't work"
17:56 coeus             could someone verify where the worlds folder should be located in linux? also the file format for the world files?
17:57 Krock             files have diffrent formats
17:57 Calinou           a kernel is plug-n-play
17:58 Calinou           <Krock> I've the feeling, 2/3 of the players are on a tablet...or they're just stupid
17:58 Calinou           yeah… some people keep seeing Minetest servers as dating services, it's worse than Minecraft even
17:58 coeus             the world files should all have the same format for minetest...
17:58 Calinou           disallow empty passwords, enable strict protocol check, disallow Guest names
17:58 Calinou           and you'll have some less immature people already
17:58 Krock             haven't had much dating so far.. most annoying are double-accounts
17:59 Calinou           it's trollish dating, not the kind of dating you expect
17:59 Krock             added now a command to track ips... I hope this helps
18:01 PenguinDad        coeus: the map files can be saved in three formats atm
18:02 jp                Calinou : your nickname itself is dating :p
18:03 Jordach           gah
18:03 * Jordach         can't stop burpin
18:05 coeus             well if the world files can be saved in different formats can I get one of them? also a verification on where the folder should be located?
18:06 Calinou           different formats? Minetest handles 3 database formats, but only SQLite is used by default, so all your worlds will be in that format
18:06 PenguinDad        coeus: they are normally located in ~/.minetest/worlds/
18:08 coeus             my plan is to make a dummy file that obviously won't work as it will be empty, but hopefully will give me another error that might give me a better idea how to fix it or maybe trick it into at least creating a new world
18:09 coeus             since I can't find anything about the error anywhere else
18:09 Calinou           maybe get a Git build and compile it
18:09 Calinou           without using packages
18:12 hoodedice         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3feece1f2887eda368c0a9e42e3ab26b4b754354 Wut?
18:13 PenguinDad        hoodedice: also known as "git commit suicide" :P
18:14 LemonLake         PenguinDad: can you explain pls?
18:16 hoodedice         hahahah
18:18 * Jordach         attempts to make a shader
18:19 Krock             hoodedice, cuz he is no longer a contributor of MT
18:20 VanessaE          because he threw a hissy fit over the whole weather/finite water thing
18:28 Krock             well, adding and removing wasn't really needed..
18:29 hoodedice         Yo Amaz_ long time no see mate
18:29 hoodedice         Van, fit over removal?
18:30 LemonLake         https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eFuf2R-OG0ru.png Progress is being made
18:30 LemonLake         Hi Amaz_!
18:30 hoodedice         Krock, then his name would go into "Preious Contributors"
18:30 LemonLake         VanessaE: weather/finite water thing?
18:30 Krock             hoodedice, well he removed it by himself...
18:30 hoodedice         Even failed contribs are important, because, well, we know what not to do haha
18:30 LemonLake         lol
18:31 VanessaE          LemonLake: trust me, don't ask....
18:31 hoodedice         In any case, I don't see weather as "failed"
18:31 hoodedice         I liked finite water too, but... We all know how "finite" really it is...
18:32 hoodedice         Van, I thought weather and finite was removed by the MT devs?
18:32 Krock             he removed it self.
18:32 VanessaE          yeah, by proller.
18:32 LemonLake         lol
18:32 LemonLake         so childis
18:32 LemonLake         +h
18:33 hoodedice         Weird.
18:33 hoodedice         I'll just go ahead and add it back, just to piss him off =P
18:33 LemonLake         nah
18:34 LemonLake         well, his name in previous contribs would be aight imo
18:34 LemonLake         do you reckon he'd still work on freeminer? xD
18:35 Calinou           finite was completly broken and sucked, so it's deserved, but weather could have had some work to make it nice
18:36 Calinou           (I'd like some cloudiness setting, which would vary randomly between 0 and 3, decreasing light level and making the sky more grey)
18:36 Calinou           something very simple to make the world more lively
18:36 * Jordach         wonders why RBA hasn't made any docs on Minetest's shader system
18:36 LemonLake         im about to test out freeminer for the first time ever
18:36 LemonLake         i wanna see what its really about
18:36 LemonLake         i aint gonna ditch mt tho
18:36 LemonLake         no matter how good it is
18:37 hoodedice         Jordach, there is no need for docs on MT shaders IMO
18:37 LemonLake         ^
18:37 hoodedice         Do you even GLSL?
18:37 LemonLake         exactly
18:37 hoodedice         I don't.
18:37 * hoodedice       laughs at Lemon.
18:37 * LemonLake       laughs with hoodedice at Lemon.
18:38 Jordach           and i finally worked out why shaders are slw
18:38 hoodedice         slw?
18:38 Jordach           slow*
18:38 hoodedice         VanessaE == Novatux?
18:38 hoodedice         hmm, why?
18:38 Jordach           hoodedice, nope
18:39 Jordach           hoodedice, because it uses so many useless hacks and other things passed around, it's rediculous
18:39 PenguinDad        hoodedice: Novatux == nore
18:39 VanessaE          nope
18:39 hoodedice         Well, nore made a commit to minetest_game, and VanessaE comments on it in a way that made me feel so
18:40 Krock             teamwork?
18:40 hoodedice         Well, could be that Van guided Novatux on making that
18:40 LemonLake         usually in commit commits devs all talk like the same person
18:40 hoodedice         Yes, thank you Krock
18:40 LemonLake         freeminer's menu is actually alright
18:40 Jordach           i'm still waiting for real documentation on shaders
18:40 Jordach           not just some source code comments
18:41 VanessaE          hoodedice: you mean those textures.  that's because he did one, I did others based on it, then he committed/pull-requested them.
18:41 hoodedice         Jordach, which CPU did you have again?
18:41 LemonLake         apart form that, it feels just like another minetest_game
18:41 hoodedice         Ah, that makes sense, Van.
18:41 Jordach           hoodedice, AMD A10 APU 6800K
18:41 LemonLake         with a better worldgen
18:41 hoodedice         Jordach, OC'd?
18:41 LemonLake         and with really crap rain
18:41 LemonLake         and it rains in a desert ø.ø
18:42 LemonLake         there's random dirt appearing in the desert, and buged out water
18:42 hoodedice         TBH, the only thing I like about FM is the website design (which used to be the old MT website) and the menu.
18:42 LemonLake         yep
18:42 PenguinDad        Jordach: here's some shader documntation https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/GLSL_Programming
18:42 hoodedice         ^LOL
18:43 hoodedice         And Jordach, while you're at it, also port it to HLSL
18:43 LemonLake         okay, i've had enough of freeminer
18:43 LemonLake         minetest is fine as it iss
18:43 Jordach           PenguinDad, our own engine which has said things that need to be passed on are not explained
18:43 LemonLake         Jordach: just look at other shaders
18:43 Jordach           it's named x because it doesn't actually do x
18:44 Jordach           and you might attract someone who's actually capable of writing SEUS
18:45 PenguinDad        SEUS?
18:45 LemonLake         minecraft shaders
18:45 LemonLake         you don't need to write them
18:45 LemonLake         just copy them over and change a few little things
18:45 Jordach           LemonLake, wrong so fucking wrong
18:45 LemonLake         problem is tho, seus is laggier than far cry 3 on max settings on most machines
18:46 LemonLake         it's so poorly written
18:46 Jordach           wtf is this used for varying vec3 tsLightVec;
18:46 hoodedice         yeah, MT shaders are actually prett light
18:46 Jordach           what happened to commenting your fucking code
18:46 LemonLake         (facepalm)
18:47 hoodedice         Jordach, it's better if you get in touch with RBA personally
18:47 Jordach           hoodedice, bullshit
18:47 hoodedice         Not at all
18:47 Jordach           spends more time recoding half the engine for a shader when all material points should be exposed
18:48 kaeza             x += 1; // Increment the x variable by one. This is an useful comment.
18:48 hoodedice         ^
18:48 hoodedice         Jordach, point me to the code you're looking at on GitHub
18:49 LemonLake         well hey, i've got pulseaudio working like a charm again
18:49 LemonLake         seems that the problem the entire time was just skype
18:49 Jordach           https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/client/shaders/nodes_shader/opengl_vertex.glsl#L33-105
18:49 Jordach           ^ look at that mess
18:49 hoodedice         > skype
18:49 hoodedice         > SKYPE
18:49 hoodedice         How can you live?!
18:50 LemonLake         i think for skype i'm just gonna redirect my android sound to linux with bluetooth
18:50 LemonLake         and vice-versa for the mic
18:50 LemonLake         that would be more efficient than actually using skype on linux
18:50 LemonLake         (yes, it's that bad0
18:50 hoodedice         > Skype
18:50 hoodedice         > On android.
18:50 LemonLake         skype on android is worse.
18:51 hoodedice         HOW CAN YOU USE YOUR PHONE?!
18:51 LemonLake         but calls work better than linux
18:51 hoodedice         Dude
18:51 LemonLake         chat never updates correctly
18:51 LemonLake         on either systems
18:51 hoodedice         Skype sucks. Even on windows.
18:51 hoodedice         I use hangouts
18:51 LemonLake         skype works perfectly on windows
18:51 LemonLake         hangouts is by google.
18:51 LemonLake         never trust google.
18:51 hoodedice         It doesn't suck my battery on phone
18:51 Jordach           LemonLake, why bother
18:51 alket             how to walk down the ladder ?
18:51 hoodedice         > Uses android phone
18:51 Jordach           if NSA already has it via CPU backdoors
18:51 hoodedice         > Don't trust google.
18:51 Jordach           when why should you give a shit
18:51 hoodedice         alket, Shift
18:51 LemonLake         hoodedice: better than apple's shitphone
18:51 alket             hoodedice: thanks
18:52 LemonLake         just use a shitload of custom software on it
18:52 hoodedice         Everything is better than the iPhony
18:52 LemonLake         google problem gone
18:52 Jordach           LemonLake, actually Apple won't let spies access a iOS device
18:52 PenguinDad        skype is by microsoft, never trust microsoft
18:52 LemonLake         my problem with google hangouts though isn't actually google
18:52 LemonLake         either way
18:52 LemonLake         </flamewar>
18:52 LemonLake         stfu
18:53 hoodedice         Especially the Nokia 3220: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDypWJmH_I
18:54 hoodedice         Now there is something a smartphone can't do
18:55 rubenwardy        https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/issues/milestones XD
18:56 hoodedice         rubenwardy, 30 July?
18:56 hoodedice         Too Soon.
18:56 * hoodedice       wonders where everyone went
18:56 LemonLake         still here
18:57 hoodedice         I thought you all got hypnotised or something by the 3220
18:57 rubenwardy        I am currently working on the texture tool, which will take another 3 days. Then I have a lot of bug fixing and polishing.
18:58 rubenwardy        I also need to work out how to use zlib or bzip.
18:59 LemonLake         hoodedice: thats just irc
18:59 LemonLake         we get to the point where we no longer give any fucks
19:02 hoodedice         I forgot how to git
19:02 Jordach           git add .
19:02 Jordach           git add *
19:02 hoodedice         updating packages it git fetch and git pull, rite?
19:02 LemonLake         i always forget how to git
19:02 Jordach           git commit -m 'message'
19:02 Jordach           git push
19:02 hoodedice         JD, I just need to update my local rep
19:03 rubenwardy        it is git add .
19:03 PenguinDad        hoodedice: git pull --rebase should work
19:06 * Jordach         starts the twin 120mm fans at full power
19:06 hoodedice         how the heck do I have a bin folder in my Source folder?! DELETE EVERYTHING
19:06 Calinou           git commit -am "Add this."
19:06 Calinou           -a adds all
19:06 Krock             hoodedice, there goes my minetest.exe when it's done...
19:07 LemonLake         Jordach: it's like surfing
19:09 LemonLake         http://pastie.org/9381855 Would you say this is efficient?
19:09 hoodedice         I think there is a way to put build output in another directory...
19:09 LemonLake         This is how to add custom liquids to storage tanks in factory.
19:09 PenguinDad        Calinou: -a doesn't add new files
19:11 Miner_48er        what is an accepted name in the minetest.is_protected method?
19:12 Calinou           PenguinDad, ah, right
19:12 Calinou           Miner_48er, http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.is_protected
19:13 Miner_48er        placer:get_player_name()?
19:14 LemonLake         is_protected basically checks if playername can place a node there
19:14 LemonLake         or remove it, whatever
19:14 LemonLake         so the player in question, so yes, placer:get_player_name()
19:16 LemonLake         now the fun bit...coding the tanks
19:18 PenguinDad        LemonLake: won't be that hard with glasslike_framed
19:18 LemonLake         nope
19:18 LemonLake         it's just a little bit of metadata
19:20 ThatGraemeGuy     VanessaE: are you around by any chance?
19:21 hoodedice         LemonLake, Steal Jordach's tank code
19:21 LemonLake         hoodedice: no, i know what im doing
19:21 LemonLake         jordach's tank code is just inefficient
19:21 hoodedice         =O
19:21 LemonLake         all i need to do is work out node metadata and item metadata, then im set
19:22 LemonLake         the node will have metadata, then when dug, said metadata will be transfered to the itemstack
19:22 LemonLake         and the itemstack will hold the data itself, and vice versa when placed
19:23 hoodedice         Intel says my processor has two cores and two threads. Does it mean that I have four threads in total?
19:24 LemonLake         yep
19:25 PenguinDad        hoodedice: just do lscpu and look at the CPU(s) value
19:26 hoodedice         ohshit.jpg
19:26 hoodedice         threads per core is 1.
19:26 hoodedice         PenguinDad, would make -j4 kill my system if my system has only 2 threads?
19:27 LemonLake         not necessarily, it just wouldn't be faster
19:27 PenguinDad        hoodedice: it wouldn't kill it but it would be slower
19:28 hoodedice         Lemon, what CPU do you have?
19:28 LemonLake         hm
19:29 LemonLake         i don't think that's entirely true
19:29 LemonLake         my CPU(s) is 4 and thread(s) per core is 1
19:29 LemonLake         yet -j16 is WAAY faster than -j4
19:29 LemonLake         AMD Phenom II x4 840 3.2GHz
19:30 PenguinDad        I just have a normal AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1100T Processor
19:31 LemonLake         x6? nice
19:31 hoodedice         !g X 61100T
19:31 MinetestBot       hoodedice: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=gov&group=61001-62000&file=61100-61107
19:31 LemonLake         can nodes have wear?
19:31 LemonLake         (itemstack wear)
19:31 hoodedice         !g X6 1100T
19:31 MinetestBot       hoodedice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103913
19:35 hoodedice         I have been looking at AMD APUs for a long time
19:35 hoodedice         And I've begun to think that they are not worth it =/
19:38 * PenguinDad      still prefers AMD [A|C]PUs over Intel [A|C]PUs
19:40 hoodedice         I doo too
19:40 hoodedice         I was just going at APUs vs CPUs
19:40 hoodedice         If I buy an APU, which does have better architecture than current AMD CPUs
19:40 hoodedice         I will be stuck with an R7 250
19:41 hoodedice         And if I buy another R7 250 to crossfire it
19:41 hoodedice         I still won't get THAT much power, if I bought an R9 instead, but if I did that, the R7 in the APU would be useless...
20:06 LemonLake         Okay, so,
20:06 LemonLake         can itemstacks of nodes have wear?
20:08 Calinou           CF increases latency and has tons of problems, just like SLI – don't do it
20:09 Calinou           hoodedice, AMD APUs are quite bad anyway
20:09 Calinou           just go for Intel…
20:09 Calinou           <LemonLake> yet -j16 is WAAY faster than -j4
20:09 Calinou           eats more RAM?
20:09 LemonLake         not an issue, really
20:09 Calinou           hoodedice, you can't crossfire an integrated and dedicated GPU anyway
20:09 LemonLake         i rarely run many apps at once
20:09 Calinou           (Dual Graphics no longer works, it was marketing BS anyway)
20:10 LemonLake         actually, I think I'll just have an item for tanks with storage
20:10 LemonLake         and use an inventory image on the node itself
20:12 Megaf_            sfan5; sapier; Can you please make a link that points to the latest Androids builds?
20:14 PenguinDad        Megaf_: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/tag/0.4.10
20:17 Megaf_            I mean, latest download link
20:19 Krock             forums.
20:19 PenguinDad        Megaf_: is it really that hard to find the apk? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/0.4.10/Minetest-0.4.10-android-armeabi.apk.zip
20:19 Megaf_            You don't get me
20:21 Jordach           38.3% finished of this render
20:32 MinetestBot       GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #51 from cyisfor/master https:/ 2014-07-12T16:31:27-04:00 http://git.io/-Zx0ag
20:32 LemonLake         can someone explain to me how to set the metadata of a node?
20:34 Megaf_            VanessaE; Is there anything like bone meal for moretrees?
20:34 LemonLake         Megaf_: there's a bonemeal mod
20:34 Megaf_            and will that work with moretrees?
20:34 LemonLake         look for yourself
20:35 Megaf_            !title https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?keywords=bonemeal&sr=topics
20:35 MinetestBot       Megaf_: Search - Minetest Forums
20:35 LemonLake         nvm, think I've figured it out
20:36 LemonLake         Megaf_: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5429
20:36 VanessaE          Megaf_: no, moretrees doesn't use anything like that
20:36 LemonLake         I'm sure it can easily be modified to support moretrees.
20:37 VanessaE          though there's nothing theoretically stopping such a thing from working; bushes_classic grows its bushes faster on wet farming soil than on any other surface
20:37 MinetestBot       GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Coding style updates. https:/ 2014-07-12T16:35:59-04:00 http://git.io/5ligIA
20:37 Calinou           <Jordach> 38.3% finished of this render
20:37 Calinou           Blender lets you see progress?
20:37 Jordach           Calinou, http://wolframalpha.com
20:37 LemonLake         percent
20:38 VanessaE          it's just a matter of skipping every Xth ABM call if there's no bone meal/proper surface/whatever in effect for a given seedling/sapling.
20:38 Jordach           current frame/total frames as percentage
20:38 Jordach           ^ exact query
20:38 LemonLake         ^
20:38 Jordach           bah. render finishes at 4am D:
20:38 LemonLake         wow, you're computer is reaally slow
20:39 Jordach           LemonLake, try actual raytracing :P
20:39 LemonLake         ah, raytracing.
20:39 MinetestBot       GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #168 from ShadowNinja/fix-commandblock-quit 0c62545 2014-07-12T16:39:06-04:00 http://git.io/8RXgZg
20:39 LemonLake         makes sense now.
20:39 Jordach           all four cores are active, as well as decent quality shadow sampling
20:39 Jordach           (because noise(
20:42 * Jordach         likes the look of this
20:43 Calinou           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9724 → nice explanation of Minetest features
20:43 Calinou           the new ingots: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/doWlKTzWK9Go.jpg
20:44 VanessaE          :D
20:44 Jordach           not sure if looking like shit
20:44 Jordach           or actually really well drawn
20:44 LemonLake         i like the new ingots
20:44 Jordach           (i'm too used to the old skool stuff)
20:44 LemonLake         they're real nice
20:50 Calinou           I reached 2500 posts on forum recently
20:51 PenguinDad        lol I just made a redstone texture out of copper
20:53 Calinou           how does it look? upload it somewhere ;)
20:54 Calinou           I think we could have a database of block and item textures, for use by mods
20:54 Calinou           so that modders who want textures quickly could get it from the database
20:55 VanessaE          that's easy, just get them from my remote media server :P
20:55 VanessaE          not that there's any license info :P
20:56 PenguinDad        Calinou: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/i0zbPZ_RBEoB.png
20:58 LemonLake         lets see how many errors this mammoth code has...
20:58 Calinou           looks strange but pretty
20:58 LemonLake         'bad argument #-2'
20:58 LemonLake         im done
20:58 LemonLake         fuck it
20:58 LemonLake         this is just
20:58 LemonLake         no
20:58 Calinou           VanessaE, what's the upsides of using index.mth, compared to flat file method?
20:58 Calinou           faster?
20:59 Calinou           is there any guide on setting up a remote_media server, that is safe and where you can forward the port (it must not run on port 80)?
20:59 Calinou           can't forward port 80 on most home routers ;)
21:00 LemonLake         im a knob...
21:00 LemonLake         i tried to use the node "minetest:storage_tank"
21:00 VanessaE          Calinou: with index.mth, files are referenced by hash I guess
21:00 VanessaE          which means load order is a non-issue
21:01 * sfan5           meows at LemonLake
21:01 * LemonLake       meows back
21:01 VanessaE          with a flat dir/non-hashed way like I use, you have to make sure you copy files into the dir roughly in the order the client will request them so that you don't end up having too many of them being sent the old way
21:01 sfan5             Calinou: 1) use https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6351560 2) Add your favourite HTTP server
21:02 sfan5             but beware
21:02 VanessaE          Calinou: e.g. if a mod supplies a new version of some media file, index.mth would reference it with a different hash than the original, while the other method requires you to overwrite the original file in your media dir.
21:02 sfan5             the client does a POST index.mth not GET
21:03 LemonLake         i think i've done it :D
21:04 PenguinDad        Fun fact: Remote media increases loading time for me
21:04 Calinou           which HTTP server is simple to set and fast?
21:04 Calinou           apache, or is there something simpleR?
21:04 Calinou           simpler*
21:05 Calinou           sfan5, that's why we need a util repository, to have collectstatic.sh
21:05 Calinou           currently that script doesn't seem to be posted anywhere on forums
21:05 Jordach           https://cdn.mediacru.sh/SFZfvRPvhUDk.png <- my screen right now
21:05 sfan5             Calinou: nginx
21:06 sfan5             Jordach: this is why people have 2nd monitors
21:06 LemonLake         +sfan5
21:06 Calinou           world cup isn't interesting to watch continuously
21:06 Calinou           (I wrote “continuously” correctly!)
21:06 Jordach           sfan5, i'm quite used to 4:3 scale
21:06 Calinou           green highlight on IRC looks strange to me
21:07 Calinou           but red looks like people are attacking you…
21:07 Jordach           Calinou, artifract from an old XChat
21:07 Jordach           i liked that colour
21:07 Calinou           how about cyan-blue then? or pink? :p
21:07 Jordach           nah
21:07 LemonLake         omg there's always an error ;'(
21:07 Calinou           my own change is green-ish already
21:07 PenguinDad        I have pink higlights xD
21:07 * sfan5           meows at PenguinDad
21:08 Calinou           I may use cyan
21:08 Calinou           “Tesseract Blue” (#55CCFF) looks good for highlight
21:11 hoodedice         Calinou, you can crossfire integrated and dedicated
21:11 hoodedice         GPUs have to be similar though
21:11 Calinou           they're never similar
21:11 Calinou           even if it was possible, the performance would be limited to the slower one
21:11 LemonLake         lol
21:12 hoodedice         For example, the 7850k is crossfired with either a R7 250 or an R7 260
21:12 hoodedice         with a 90% performance increase, according to some sources
21:12 LemonLake         oh...
21:12 LemonLake         i forgot that glasslike_framed connects
21:12 hoodedice         Either way, I'm waiting till next year to buy whatever AMD throws out
21:12 LemonLake         this is a little bit awkward
21:13 LemonLake         actually, thinking about how they merge...this is good
21:13 Jordach           LemonLake, build a tower of that stuff 31km long and expect a monster content_ignore spam
21:13 Jordach           my tanks are limited so you can't bug out a server
21:14 hoodedice         *kn
21:14 hoodedice         fucking kilonodes
21:14 LemonLake         Jordach: I'm fine with adding a limit.
21:14 Calinou           <hoodedice> with a 90% performance increase, according to some sources
21:14 Calinou           AMD marketing division doesn't count as a source
21:14 hoodedice         not metres, this is not England.
21:14 hoodedice         Calinou, independent review
21:14 hoodedice         I'm not that stupid to trust AMD PR
21:14 Calinou           by the way… games need to have specific support for CrossFire/SLI, only AAA games have such support. Minetest sure doesn't.
21:14 Calinou           I don't think it even works with OpenGL
21:15 * cheapie         walks into this video card discussion...
21:15 * LemonLake       walks through it
21:15 Calinou           Terasology has a nice item drop feature: if you hold the drop key for a long time, you throw the item far away
21:15 cheapie           Hmm... what's better, an unspecified "Radeon R3" integrated into a cheap "APU", a Radeon HD 5450, or a Radeon HD 6570?
21:16 Calinou           if you just press it once, the item is dropped in front of you.
21:16 Calinou           I'd like to see that in Minetest, but it's an engine change
21:16 * PenguinDad      falls through it
21:16 Calinou           cheapie, 5450 is crap, 6570 is almost crap, the Radeon R3 is crap but it's integrated, so you avoid the issues of dedicated cards
21:16 Calinou           so you want the “R3” here
21:16 cheapie           Calinou: OK.
21:16 Calinou           which probably can't even play Minetest well
21:16 hoodedice         "which probably can't even play Minetest well"
21:16 cheapie           Calinou: The R3 plays MT fine, I was just wondering if the others were better.
21:17 Calinou           it does? how much FPS, which settings?
21:17 Calinou           I'd be surprised… which CPU is it on?
21:17 * hoodedice       has a dual core celeron @1.9 GHz, paired with an intel HD 2500
21:17 * hoodedice       45 fps.
21:17 cheapie           Calinou: It's a 1.4 GHz dual-core CPU, and with all the settings turned down, it gets about 20 FPS with a reasonable view distance.
21:17 Jordach           230fps in Minetest
21:17 Calinou           constant 60 FPS here, 1920 × 1080, view range 100, shaders on, clouds off… :p
21:18 Calinou           never got 230 FPS, even with shaders off, except maybe in a cave
21:18 hoodedice         Calinou, 45 fps with "shit" lappy
21:18 Calinou           cheapie, well, that's pretty bad
21:18 cheapie           Calinou: Maybe, but it's playable.
21:18 Calinou           to me, “well” is 60 FPS in 1920 × 1080, view range 64, shaders on
21:18 Calinou           the 20 FPS you said is what I get with Nouveau, basically
21:18 * hoodedice       checks view range in xubuntu)
21:18 liljnc3           hi CRAIG
21:18 cheapie           Calinou: Why does everybody seem to love widescreen monitors? I hate those things.
21:18 Calinou           I fixed it using minetest.conf settings, I don't like variable distance
21:19 * cheapie         is happy at 1280x1024
21:19 Calinou           cheapie, they're standard now: raising your eyes vertically is annoying, while panning horizontally isn't
21:19 Calinou           they fit your vision more
21:19 kinkinkijkin      OI
21:19 LemonLake         +Calinou
21:19 Calinou           oh, 21:9 screens also do exist now (2560 × 1080), for more lateral view
21:19 liljnc3           Craig
21:19 Calinou           could be useful for people who don't want to use 2 screens :)
21:19 CraigyDavi        Hi liljnc3
21:19 kinkinkijkin      I HEAR PEOPLE BE SPOUTIN FALSE CRAP ABOUT HARDWARE
21:19 Calinou           oh, and don't forget Ultra HD is coming, so you'll have twice the pixels, to show more stuff on screen (or have higher detailed stuff)
21:19 liljnc3           hi get on some one needs interact
21:19 LemonLake         kinkinkijkin: n...no
21:20 Calinou           I'm probably not too wrong on hardware
21:20 LemonLake         kinkinkijkin: i swear on me mum i aint
21:20 hoodedice         Shall I make a #minetest-hardware?
21:20 PenguinDad        We need 32:9 screens :P
21:20 cheapie           I can't /see/ the individual pixels, so I don't understand why I would need more.
21:20 CraigyDavi        Ok liljnc3
21:20 hoodedice         Or #minetest-serious ?
21:20 liljnc3           thx
21:20 kinkinkijkin      I'm here to enlighten all of you, as the resident elitist buttface on hooded's steam friends
21:21 kinkinkijkin      who told him half of the things he's misquoting terribly to the point of falsity
21:21 LemonLake         ^ love it
21:21 hoodedice         no wait, the resulting flame war is gonna kill the channel
21:21 hoodedice         We need a new channel for this
21:21 Jordach           ##gofuckyourself
21:21 cheapie           How about #ubuntu? Nothing worthwhile ever happens there.
21:22 Jordach           +infinity
21:22 hoodedice         cheapie, you zwizzing troll
21:22 PenguinDad        how about ##################################doweneedmore#s
21:22 hoodedice         no wait
21:22 Jordach           psh
21:22 hoodedice         #ubuntu is good
21:22 LemonLake         one major bug fixed, two more major bugs to go
21:22 LemonLake         then even more testing
21:22 hoodedice         Because in the midst of AMD APU discussion we can also flame some intel fanboys
21:23 LemonLake         omg yes
21:23 LemonLake         good idea
21:23 Jordach           intel is backdoored]#
21:23 * cheapie         watches the people in #ubuntu join/quit randomly without saying anything
21:23 LemonLake         go to #ubuntu, i'll spectate
21:24 Calinou           #ubuntu in a nutshell: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/064.jpg
21:25 Calinou           it's not like I can join it anyway (-:
21:25 Calinou           <hoodedice> Shall I make a #minetest-hardware?
21:25 Calinou           we have ##hardware :p
21:25 Calinou           but it talks about AAA games and cars all day :(
21:28 LemonLake         this is less of a hardware discussion and a more of a 'fuck you #ubuntu'...
21:28 LemonLake         they've never had more activity
21:29 LemonLake         okay
21:29 LemonLake         now they're mad
21:29 hoodedice         ahahaha
21:30 cheapie           That took quite a while.
21:30 LemonLake         im happy with my part
21:30 hoodedice         Ended up helping a guy out with wine.
21:30 LemonLake         lol
21:31 cheapie           See, things actually happen in #debian. I think the average Ubuntu user has never heard of IRC.
21:31 hoodedice         In any case, that did take a long time
21:31 hoodedice         cheapie, you really had to say we were from #minetest, did you?
21:31 cheapie           Yes.
21:31 LemonLake         we're fucekd
21:31 hoodedice         You really are a fucking troll
21:32 LemonLake         hi Jordach, you ok?
21:32 Jordach           in case of emergency, op Jordach
21:32 cheapie           ...
21:32 LemonLake         lol
21:32 LemonLake         #ubuntu are pussies anyway
21:32 LemonLake         they won't come to us
21:32 Jordach           ucuntu
21:32 Jordach           :D
21:32 LemonLake         Jordach: whoaoaa
21:32 LemonLake         calm it down mate
21:32 hoodedice         =O
21:32 Jordach           change one letter and it's funny
21:33 LemonLake         it is actually
21:33 LemonLake         that should be a failed assembly tutorial
21:33 LemonLake         or somethin like that
21:34 Jordach           my sister slaps me for saying that, so we now spell it with a k
21:34 LemonLake         ukuntu
21:34 LemonLake         nobody will ever know
21:36 cheapie           By the way, I'm running Mint here (not the Debian edition, the regular Ubuntu-based(blech) version).
21:36 LemonLake         +cheapie
21:36 LemonLake         i actually like this version of mint
21:36 cheapie           Yeah, it's a lot better than Ubuntu.
21:36 LemonLake         it feels more like a familiar desktop
21:37 cheapie           I sort of see now why I see "Ubunut" so often.
21:37 LemonLake         ukuntu*
21:37 LemonLake         damn
21:37 LemonLake         not a real channel...yet
21:37 cheapie           I'm using the MATE desktop here. Cinnamon doesn't look that great.
21:37 LemonLake         #ucuntu is chanserv'd....
21:37 Jordach           The new Operating System by Canonical: Ukuntu
21:38 Jordach           comes in wub wub flavour, or cheeky kash money
21:38 LemonLake         cheapie: i prefer the look of cinnamon, actually
21:38 LemonLake         but i may switch to mate
21:38 Jordach           LemonLake, the new error reporting; u wot m8
21:38 LemonLake         yes
21:38 LemonLake         i love it!
21:39 LemonLake         actually, looking at a review, the updated MATE desktop looks a looot nicer...
21:39 Jordach           LemonLake, Swaggy swan, hipster hippo, yolo Yellowjacket
21:41 LemonLake         im making concept art now
21:41 Jordach           LemonLake, Air horn amish :3
21:42 Jordach           wubwub whale
21:43 Jordach           LemonLake, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=353Bc5myJkI
21:44 * sfan5           meows at Jordach
21:44 Jordach           there are rare times that thing comes in useful
21:45 LemonLake         shit, it just crashed
21:45 LemonLake         u wot m8
21:45 Jordach           u wot m8, want to send a shitty error report m8
21:45 Jordach           to yer mum
21:45 LemonLake         404 report website not found
21:45 LemonLake         u wot m8
21:45 LemonLake         want to send a shitty error report m8
21:46 LemonLake         okay, gimp keeps crashing when i open fonts :/
21:46 Jordach           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNtFkp0pB10
21:46 Jordach           oh fuck i'm lolling
21:48 LemonLake         what i love is how its actually professionally made
21:48 LemonLake         just made to look shitty
21:48 Jordach           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHahoNXeXaw
21:50 LemonLake         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHJsHlcyHbA
21:51 Jordach           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJqC4aG98So
21:51 Jordach           !title
21:51 MinetestBot       Jordach: Kerbal Bass Program - YouTube
21:56 LemonLake         http://pastie.org/pastes/9382230/text
21:57 liljnc4           craigydavi
21:58 liljnc4           i need interact
21:58 Jordach           LemonLake, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzaalWYqRo
22:16 liljnc4           hi
22:33 LemonLake         back to making storage tanks
22:33 Partmedia         Hi, I'm using mobf on a world that didn't have mobf before, and vombies don't spawn. Is this because the spawner object don't exist?
22:35 LemonLake         okay, 2/3 major bugs fixed
22:50 LemonLake         3/3 major bugs fixed
22:50 LemonLake         the third one was done with a semi-dirty workaround (using an abm to update it)
22:56 Jordach           LemonLake, pssh
22:57 Jordach           you're doing it wrong :3
22:57 LemonLake         I am?
22:57 Jordach           minetest.on_punch(func(pos, puncher)) is your friend
22:57 LemonLake         No, the param2 is not updated when placed
22:57 LemonLake         because the meta is set AFTER the node is placed
22:57 LemonLake         also, this prevents confusion using the screwdriver cheat ^.^
22:58 Jordach           and this is why my tanks work
22:58 Jordach           no fiddling with pissy meta
22:58 LemonLake         Jordach: i dont give a fuck about your tanks
22:58 LemonLake         im trying things a different way ^.^
22:59 Jordach           LemonLake, ask the MC community, there are a few tanks like mods (BC, OpenBlocks) but they all use the same stuff
22:59 Jordach           just don't re-invent the wheel
22:59 LemonLake         I wouldn't want to copy your code anyway
22:59 LemonLake         I feel like copying code is just bad
22:59 hoodedice         I found a line I need in an older commit
22:59 LemonLake         at the end of the day, we're doing the same thing in a different way, and we both learn from it
22:59 hoodedice         But I don't see the same line in my src
23:00 hoodedice         How do I check which commitcs changed the line (or file)?
23:01 LemonLake         idk, i dont understand version control
23:02 LemonLake         also, Jordach, my tanks aren't designed to connect
23:02 LemonLake         they're designed to be portable. it's basically like a 64 water block bucket.
23:02 LemonLake         our tanks have different purposes
23:04 hoodedice         nevermind, I was looking in the wrong file
23:05 LemonLake         though I may need a way to tell the user how much the tank is holding
23:18 hoodedice         Okay, anyone here with experience with building minetest?
23:18 LemonLake         yeah, why?
23:19 hoodedice         So I do "~/Minetest/Minetest indev$ cmake ../../Minetest/Source/minetest/ -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1"
23:19 LemonLake         looks good
23:19 hoodedice         and then "make -j2"
23:19 LemonLake         yep
23:19 Partmedia         is minetest still picky about an out of source build? last time I did one it didn't like it
23:19 LemonLake         Partmedia: perhaps
23:20 hoodedice         I expect that the bin files be in "Minetest indev"
23:20 LemonLake         its much better to just build in place
23:20 hoodedice         But they were in /bin in source
23:20 LemonLake         yep
23:20 LemonLake         that's where they're supposed to be
23:20 hoodedice         I want to keep the source cleane
23:20 LemonLake         just remove the source
23:20 LemonLake         keep the bin
23:20 hoodedice         I am woring with source
23:20 LemonLake         and other required content like builtin and stuff
23:20 Partmedia         hoodedice, `git clean -xfd` removes all the junk after you're done
23:20 Partmedia         (unless you're not running git?)
23:21 hoodedice         I don't want to remove "junk"
23:21 LemonLake         hoodedice: why are you so picky?
23:21 hoodedice         I want said "junk" tto be seperate from "game content"
23:21 hoodedice         Because I have an OCD with files being in respective folders
23:22 LemonLake         i think DESTDIR is what you're looking for
23:22 hoodedice         tl;dr need cmake or make, w/e to output build result in another dir
23:22 hoodedice         How do I use DESTDIR?
23:22 LemonLake         hold on
23:22 hoodedice         !g DESTDIR
23:22 MinetestBot       hoodedice: https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/DESTDIR.html
23:22 LemonLake         no
23:22 Partmedia         (isn't it somethin glike CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX?)
23:22 LemonLake         yep
23:22 LemonLake         hoodedice: http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake-2.6.html
23:23 Partmedia         (I use ccmake so I don't have to remember this :D)
23:24 hoodedice         idon'tgetit.jpg
23:24 hoodedice         What should I be looking at?
23:24 LemonLake         hoodedice: duckduckgo is your friend
23:24 * hoodedice       uses google anyway
23:24 LemonLake         so do i
23:24 LemonLake         i just dont wanna cause flamewars
23:25 * Partmedia       uses both
23:25 hoodedice         Don't worry. Calinou isn't here =P
23:26 * Partmedia       doesn't know Calinou, preference for one over another?
23:26 LemonLake         actually, I think I'm going to start using duckduckgo
23:26 LemonLake         it's google, without tracking.
23:27 * Partmedia       brings some gunpowder and TNT for the flamewar :D
23:29 hoodedice         Calinou is one of the free software advocates on here
23:29 LemonLake         plus, it looks really fancy.
23:29 LemonLake         i like it
23:29 hoodedice         though, onpon4 is the real GNU fan
23:30 hoodedice         So, I installed cmake-gui
23:30 hoodedice         !tell sfan5 hoodedice thanks you for cmake-gui, again
23:30 MinetestBot       hoodedice: I'll pass that on when sfan5 is around
23:32 LemonLake         but google just has better features
23:32 LemonLake         so, i'll stick with google
23:35 alket             i have only one heart left :s , how to make more ?
23:35 hoodedice         alket, multiplayer?
23:35 LemonLake         alket: eat bread
23:35 alket             hoodedice: no , local , creative mode off
23:35 hoodedice         Lemon, bread is default?
23:35 LemonLake         hoodedice: iirc
23:36 alket             LemonLake: where is bread
23:36 LemonLake         atleast in minetest_game
23:36 hoodedice         alket, default minetest_game, eat apples
23:36 LemonLake         ^
23:36 alket             thanks
23:36 hoodedice         mine apples from trees and use them
23:37 hoodedice         For bread, see:
23:37 hoodedice         !g minetest wiki.net bread
23:37 MinetestBot       hoodedice: http://wiki.minetest.net/Bread
23:37 LemonLake         !help
23:37 MinetestBot       https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
23:37 alket             hoodedice: LemonLake , i collected some , but how to eat ?
23:37 LemonLake         alket: right click
23:37 hoodedice         select it in your hand and click
23:38 hoodedice         right click?!
23:38 LemonLake         hoodedice: what kind of control scheme are you using
23:38 hoodedice         Lemon spreading lies!
23:38 LemonLake         hoodedice: fuck you too
23:38 hoodedice         default, right handed
23:38 LemonLake         alket: dont listen to me
23:38 alket             heh , obvius
23:38 alket             thanks :)
23:38 LemonLake         im a twat
23:38 hoodedice         I never said fuck you in the first place!
23:38 hoodedice         dick.
23:38 LemonLake         hoodedice: i am indeed
23:38 hoodedice         k
23:38 alket             obvious i meant , for the click not for the right/left
23:39 LemonLake         aight
23:39 LemonLake         fixed my controls now
23:40 alket             i don't understand multiplyer , too much lag , what i collected for like 10 seoncds , get returned
23:40 alket             but local is fine too
23:41 hoodedice         Where do you live, alket?
23:41 alket             kosovo
23:41 alket             near greece
23:41 hoodedice         ... I suck at geography...
23:41 alket             near italy then
23:41 alket             just some sea divide us
23:41 hoodedice         ah, I got it at Greece
23:41 hoodedice         Wait, it is that new country, right
23:41 alket             its new country , since 2008
23:41 hoodedice         Aha!
23:42 hoodedice         You guys seperated from Serbia, I remember now
23:42 alket             yes
23:42 alket             :)
23:42 hoodedice         So, most minetest servers are in Europe, some in the US, and one or two in Russia
23:43 hoodedice         You'll need to find out who host their servers where and connect to the closest you can get
23:43 hoodedice         VanessaE's servers are the most famous, but the are all US based
23:43 alket             thanks , I will try tomorrow again
23:44 alket             but now , im too deep in my mine :p
23:44 hoodedice         You can try: i.nwps.ws in France...
23:44 hoodedice         ah okay
23:44 Partmedia         does anyone have multiplayer server bandwidth info? or an estimate of bandwidth for X number of players?
23:44 hoodedice         Good luck mining
23:44 alket             i think its my hardware
23:44 alket             thanks , and thanks for the game
23:44 hoodedice         Partmedia, I can say that MT servers are good for upto 10 players on average
23:45 hoodedice         Hey don't thank me, I'm just a community member =P
23:45 LemonLake         and im the irc's dumbest ;)
23:46 alket             lol
23:46 alket             do I need to register or something ?
23:46 alket             its says wrong password
23:46 hoodedice         Not really
23:46 LemonLake         alket: have you been on the server before?
23:46 LemonLake         most likely you have if it says that
23:46 alket             maybe on first day
23:46 hoodedice         If you ever used the server, you need to remember the password. If you forgot, contact the server admin
23:46 Partmedia         hoodedice, I'm running a LAN server, and was absently wondering whether I could pull off a decent public server
23:47 hoodedice         Part, depends
23:47 LemonLake         hoodedice: use tab-complete to highlight people
23:47 hoodedice         Lemon, I sometimes type short because they may be using webchat, and the ping is annoying
23:47 hoodedice         I only ping when I need them
23:48 LemonLake         that's the whole point, though.
23:48 hoodedice         Part, you need at least 2 GB of RAM and a decent CPU
23:48 LemonLake         hoodedice: not necessarily
23:48 Partmedia         :p
23:48 LemonLake         look at markv's server
23:48 LemonLake         he runs it on an rpi
23:48 hoodedice         minimum according to my experiences with a server
23:48 Partmedia         I was thinking in terms of ping latency and bandwidth
23:49 hoodedice         Lemon, average condition
23:49 alket             this server has huge lag , so maybe its my hardware
23:49 hoodedice         default everything
23:49 hoodedice         alket, it is mostly your internet speed, and geographical location
23:49 alket             sorry for the rush , it got really better :)
23:49 alket             thanks :)
23:54 hoodedice         Alright guys...
23:54 hoodedice         This is it.
23:54 hoodedice         The moment of truth
23:55 hoodedice         When I find if my hypothesis is right or wrong
23:55 LemonLake         k
23:55 hoodedice         If it is right, we will have a brighter future
23:55 LemonLake         my moment of truth: liquid registration works.
23:55 LemonLake         tanks now have configurable liquids.
23:55 hoodedice         We will have a better first person view than even MC!
23:55 hoodedice         *clicks Play*
23:56 hoodedice         hmm
23:56 hoodedice         With the current way the camera is handled, I think this will need a rewrite
23:56 hoodedice         Maybe I can rewrite the camera code? I can try...
23:57 * hoodedice       also knows no C++
23:57 LemonLake         https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eJH_8ZOF8cq8.png
23:58 LemonLake         whoa
23:58 hoodedice         This is hilarious
23:58 LemonLake         i've gone through 59 songs already
23:58 LemonLake         that's worrying
23:58 hoodedice         Now that I have removed the limit on camera position
23:58 hoodedice         Placing the camera in front of the head makes looking straight at horizon okay
23:59 hoodedice         but when you look down, the camera raises up suddenly
23:59 LemonLake         hm
23:59 LemonLake         hey hoodedice, opinions? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eJH_8ZOF8cq8.png
23:59 LemonLake         ill probably make a demo video