Time  Nick           Message
00:13 Jordach        TIL Dropbox uses the Hylian Shield for Privacy and Security
00:24 Nerotic        Hey
00:27 Nerotic        stuff
00:41 WindHero       Hi Zeno`
00:42 Zeno`          hi HOTW
00:42 Zeno`          what's new?
00:45 WindHero       failure :P
01:37 WindHero       wow, I just made 3 post reports
01:37 WindHero       I rarely get even 1 before someone else reports them
02:21 WindHero       I went off the deep end
02:21 WindHero       I made a dev branch
02:28 * Zeno`        gasps
02:29 WindHero_      looking at the logs
02:29 WindHero_      what a strange time to get booted
03:15 WindHero       trying something strange: overlaying and averaging two noises for caves
03:16 WindHero       basing it on paramat's subterrain
03:16 WindHero       trying to make the terrain wavy-er
03:27 WindHero       https://mediacru.sh/d6HGXNy-hAfG
03:28 WindHero       test to determine where floors and walls are through simple code
03:52 WindHero       Successful roof/floor detection: https://mediacru.sh/1fhJxBBr2h6f
03:52 WindHero       with unlimited cave size
03:58 Zeno`          nice!
04:54 Megaf_         Timing O_DIRECT cached reads:   2214 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1107.06 MB/sec
04:54 Megaf_         Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 2904 MB in  3.00 seconds = 967.70 MB/sec
04:54 Megaf_         :)
04:54 Megaf_         # hdparm -Tt --direct /dev/sda
04:55 Megaf_         little better now
04:55 Megaf_         Timing O_DIRECT cached reads:   2266 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1133.46 MB/sec
04:55 Megaf_         Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 3186 MB in  3.00 seconds = 1061.53 MB/sec
06:37 LemonLake      If I only put a single flag in replace_builtin, will it keep the non-changed the same?
06:51 LemonLake      Ohh crap...errorless crashes have returned
08:31 Venus_         Hey! Anyone around who knows how to install the client in order to play on Vanessas Survival Server? I need some help, please.
08:38 kaeza          which OS?
08:41 Venus_         Oh sry, I´m using windows 7 ultimate
08:42 Venus_         The problem is, that it won´t load all mods. I keep getting an error for the moreblocks mod
08:45 kaeza          go to the `Minetest\bin' folder, and you'll see a file named "debug.txt" (or simply "debug"). Copy the last ~20 lines or so, paste them on http://pastie.org and post the link here
08:49 Venus_         ok, there it is: http://pastie.org/9346223
08:51 kaeza          >attempt to call field 'override_item' (a nil value)
08:52 kaeza          you'll need to update to latest -dev version
08:52 kaeza          hold on
08:52 Venus_         sure, thank you very much :)
08:53 kaeza          try this package: http://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds/minetest/minetest-0.4.9-13517fb-win32.7z
08:53 Calinou        <Venus_> Oh sry, I´m using windows 7 ultimate
08:53 Calinou        seems legit ;)
08:53 Venus_         :P
08:54 Calinou        <kaeza> >attempt to call field 'override_item' (a nil value)
08:54 kaeza          mornings Calinou
08:54 Calinou        it's called to fix lighting on some default blocks, the fallback was removed
08:55 Calinou        a dev build has tons of additional features, so get one
08:55 Calinou        it's not like we're in a shortage of them
08:56 Venus_         hehe, yeah, checked the github and read the thread Vanessa posted, but I could´nt sort it out by myself ;)
08:59 kaeza          aaaaanyway, /me is off -->
08:59 kaeza          night :)
09:07 Venus_         Ok, that seems to work without any problems, thanks again! :)
09:07 Calinou        https://cdn.mediacru.sh/LuDBKPYa6UsU.jpg
09:07 Calinou        naturally generated
09:08 Calinou        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4326&p=146579#p146579 → mhm, I did like 6 months ago.
09:08 Calinou        (-:
09:10 Venus_         huh?
09:12 Calinou        they're complaining about people quitting Minecraft for Minetest
09:16 Venus_         well, uhm, I´m kinda going to do that myself. I´m  quiet active playing minecraft, but the servers aren´t stale enough to handle all the mods I like
09:16 Venus_         stale=stable
09:21 Calinou        the problem with Minecraft mods is that they break all the time
09:21 Calinou        and you have to install them client-side too
09:30 VenusMorbidae  ok, back with the correct nametag now aaaaand another problem...
09:31 VenusMorbidae  Mods get loaded now, so I can play if I want to, but each time I try to enlarge the window (in order to play fullscreen) the window just wents white and nothing happens. Any idea whats wrong?
09:33 Amaz           Zeno`, are you here?
09:35 Zeno`          I am
09:36 Amaz           I saw your work for caverealms and hdx and it looks really nice!
09:37 Zeno`          Thank you. It was (and is) a collaborative effort. WindHero has done most of the code (I added some optimisations), I've done most of the textures (VannessaE fixed some and added others)
09:38 * RealBadAngel wonders if there could pop up ANY artist that would make use of bumpmaps and heightmaps...
09:38 Amaz           And I was wondering if you would be able/want to add support for https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5578 to hdx...
09:39 Zeno`          wow
09:39 Zeno`          big mod :)
09:40 Zeno`          or is it a whole game?
09:40 Amaz           Whole game.
09:40 Zeno`          So many textures :(
09:41 Amaz           yep...
09:42 Zeno`          really good work
09:42 RealBadAngel   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQg18t1qyE
09:42 Amaz           Not just mine, as you should be able to see! Thanks though :)
09:42 Zeno`          I don't think I'm good enough to create all those textures  :(
09:42 Amaz           Okay then.
09:43 RealBadAngel   please do something in THIS direction
09:43 RealBadAngel   you have been given tools
09:44 Zeno`          what tools?
09:44 Zeno`          Amaz, I can help but that is far too much for one person to do alone
09:45 Amaz           Yeah...
09:45 RealBadAngel   in order to nail a nail, you need a hammer
09:45 RealBadAngel   hammer is here
09:45 Amaz           Unfortunately, I'm away for two weeks.
09:45 RealBadAngel   but you guys seems to be out of nails simply
09:45 Zeno`          RBA, what tools?
09:45 Zeno`          where is the hammer?
09:45 Amaz           How is bumpmapping used.
09:45 Amaz           ?
09:46 RealBadAngel   bumpmapping and parallax occlusion is a feature that needs textures
09:46 Amaz           Yep.
09:46 RealBadAngel   so make them
09:46 RealBadAngel   and use the fucking hammer
09:46 Zeno`          where is the fucking hammer?
09:46 Amaz           I understand that... But what is bumpmapping supposed to do?
09:46 Amaz           +Zeno`
09:47 RealBadAngel   in code? :)
09:47 RealBadAngel   it just lacks of your "nails"
09:47 RealBadAngel   the textures
09:47 Zeno`          huh
09:47 Zeno`          this is more vague than the API documentation
09:48 RealBadAngel   im pretty sick folks sayin that other games do look better
09:48 Zeno`          don't speak in analogies, say it straight :p
09:48 RealBadAngel   while mt can look way better but tp creators just dont use the features i coded
09:49 Zeno`          maybe nobody knows what those features are!
09:49 Amaz           How is bumpmapping supposed to be used?
09:49 Amaz           That's what I want to know...
09:49 RealBadAngel   make a normal map, for default_stone.png lets say
09:49 RealBadAngel   call it default_stone_normal.png
09:49 Amaz           Okay.
09:49 RealBadAngel   and put it in tp
09:50 Zeno`          hdx has normalmaps (for 512px) but then you look at the MT docs and it (basically) says "meh, don't worry about it"
09:50 RealBadAngel   hold on a sec
09:50 RealBadAngel   https://github.com/RealBadAngel/HavenNG/tree/master/256x
09:51 RealBadAngel   give this TP a try
09:51 Amaz           Okay!
09:51 RealBadAngel   especially Bricks
09:51 RealBadAngel   turn on bumpmapping and parallax
09:51 Zeno`          fix the docs
09:52 Zeno`          because the docs, as they are at the moment, elude to or suggest that normalmaps are deprecated
09:53 Amaz           How big is that tp?!
09:53 RealBadAngel   ok, i will take a look on that
09:53 RealBadAngel   Amaz, 40mb?
09:53 RealBadAngel   circa
09:54 Amaz           Wow.
09:54 RealBadAngel   its not complete though
09:54 Amaz           Right!
09:54 RealBadAngel   its kinda proof of the concept
09:54 VanessaE       hi
09:54 Amaz           Okay.
09:55 RealBadAngel   i dont have time to manage it
09:55 RealBadAngel   if some1 would pick it up, i would be thankful
09:55 VanessaE       HDX normalmaps are not distributed with HDX because the repo would be too big for Github's declared limits.
09:55 Zeno`          do even the default textures have normalmaps?
09:56 VanessaE       yup
09:56 VanessaE       https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-normalmaps-512
09:56 Zeno`          no, not yours VanessaE  :)
09:56 Zeno`          I know yours do
09:56 VanessaE       oh heh :)
09:56 VanessaE       oh literally defaults. no, they do not.
09:57 Zeno`          no, so in combination with the docs and the lack of them in the default game they "appear" to be deprecated
09:57 Zeno`          the docs suggest that they're not needed anymore because they're "generated on the fly"
09:57 Zeno`          and they look... dumb
09:58 Zeno`          I agree with RBA on that point heh
09:58 RealBadAngel   generating on the fly is an attempt to provide that feature while no one around cares
09:59 Zeno`          RealBadAngel, I understand that
09:59 RealBadAngel   and nothing generated would look so great as pre made ones
09:59 Zeno`          Personally I agree with you
09:59 Zeno`          I agree 100%
09:59 Zeno`          but the docs suggest that there is no point in spending the time creating them
10:00 Amaz           I don't see much difference between with bumpmaps and without....
10:01 Zeno`          Amaz, that's because the default textures don't actually have normalmaps for the bumpmapping to work with. They look pretty much the same to me as well
10:01 Zeno`          So I turned that off figuring that it does... nothing
10:02 RealBadAngel   Amaz, please try to tell what can u see on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQg18t1qyE
10:02 Zeno`          RBA I see that video looks great. Really great.
10:02 Amaz           Zeno' I was using the TP that rba linked...
10:03 RealBadAngel   Amaz, please make sure you make new folder for TP with just textures in it
10:03 RealBadAngel   no subfolders
10:03 Amaz           Yep.
10:04 Amaz           Did that.
10:04 RealBadAngel   now, turn on shaders, and check bumpmapping and parallax
10:04 Amaz           I can see the TP, but when I turn bumpmaps on and off, I see practaly no difference...
10:04 Zeno`          there is no difference.
10:05 Zeno`          I am still waiting for RBA to point me to "the fucking tools"
10:05 RealBadAngel   lol
10:05 RealBadAngel   that was a joke, game o words
10:05 Zeno`          ;)
10:05 RealBadAngel   its just a built in feature
10:05 Zeno`          If there is a tool I'll use it
10:06 RealBadAngel   but wait, we have to help amaz find the hammer
10:06 Amaz           Yep!
10:06 RealBadAngel   your OS amaz?
10:06 Amaz           Derivitive of Ubuntu.
10:07 RealBadAngel   ok, please delete your debug.txt
10:07 RealBadAngel   and copypaste (pastebin.com for exapmle) start of your log
10:07 RealBadAngel   where MT informs you about drivers used
10:08 Amaz           Okay!
10:09 Amaz           http://pastebin.com/tXUuPLQf
10:10 RealBadAngel   nouveau, a bit slower than propertiary
10:11 RealBadAngel   but should work anyway
10:11 RealBadAngel   now, please make two screenshots
10:11 RealBadAngel   one with disabled shaders, one with enabled
10:11 Amaz           Okay. Doing that.
10:12 Amaz           I see the differnce!
10:12 RealBadAngel   lol, being in danger of developer action helped?
10:13 Amaz           https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ul-oPrs64i73.png
10:13 Amaz           :P
10:13 Amaz           That is awesome.
10:13 RealBadAngel   yes, it works
10:14 RealBadAngel   now walk around the bricks
10:14 Amaz           I needed the two images side by side to be able to appreciate the difference.
10:14 Amaz           Okay!
10:14 RealBadAngel   and see them from different angles
10:14 RealBadAngel   notice how the texture is changing
10:15 Amaz           Wow!
10:15 RealBadAngel   this is thx to two different effects
10:16 RealBadAngel   a normal map, that defines how light behaves on that surface
10:16 RealBadAngel   and heightmap, stored in alpha channel
10:16 RealBadAngel   the 2nd, is the parallax occlusion
10:17 RealBadAngel   which uses eye ray to define what can you see
10:17 Amaz           Right...
10:19 RealBadAngel   now, since we do know where the hammer is
10:19 RealBadAngel   lets think on how we can use it, can we? ;)
10:19 Amaz           Okay!
10:20 RealBadAngel   we do have two reasonable solutions
10:20 RealBadAngel   i mean those with quality effects
10:20 RealBadAngel   one is gimp, with normalmap plugin
10:21 RealBadAngel   but personally i find it weak
10:21 Amaz           Okay. Does that come by default?
10:21 Amaz           The normalmap plugin, that is.
10:21 RealBadAngel   better one is "crazybump"
10:22 RealBadAngel   app for windows that makes really insane good normal maps
10:22 Amaz           Would it work with wine?
10:22 RealBadAngel   i tried here and failed
10:22 Amaz           Okay...
10:23 RealBadAngel   but you can try on your setup
10:23 Amaz           Right!
10:23 RealBadAngel   the above app is the only reason for me to have win partition ;)
10:23 Amaz           XD
10:23 Amaz           This? http://www.crazybump.com/
10:23 RealBadAngel   theres also an app to recreate its functionality in linux
10:24 RealBadAngel   insanebump
10:24 RealBadAngel   but its not as great yet
10:24 Amaz           But not as good?
10:24 Amaz           Right!
10:25 RealBadAngel   btw, when playin with height in crazybump
10:25 RealBadAngel   best effects are achieved when using height at level 10-20
10:25 RealBadAngel   but it really depends on the kind of surface
10:26 Amaz           Okay.
10:26 RealBadAngel   when you will pick too high level, it may deform the texture
10:27 Amaz           Is there a minimum reseloution?
10:27 RealBadAngel   no
10:27 RealBadAngel   but i suggest using at least 128px
10:27 RealBadAngel   ah, and turnin on mipmapping
10:28 Amaz           Okay.
10:28 RealBadAngel   you may want to check also textures filtering
10:28 Amaz           Okay.
10:28 RealBadAngel   those features are meant for hi-res textures
10:28 Amaz           Will it work on windows xp?
10:29 RealBadAngel   crazybump?
10:29 RealBadAngel   it should
10:29 Amaz           Right.
10:29 Amaz           I'll try it on a virtual machine when I get a moment.
10:29 RealBadAngel   oh, VM
10:30 RealBadAngel   i dont think so
10:30 Amaz           :(
10:30 Zeno`          VM is not likely to  work well
10:30 RealBadAngel   its depending on GFX drivers
10:30 Amaz           Sigh...
10:30 RealBadAngel   and OpenGL
10:31 RealBadAngel   and thats not the thing what VM is doing well
10:31 Zeno`          yeah and most of the vm gfx and opengl drivers for VMs are... not good...  in my experience :(
10:34 Amaz           :(
10:36 * Zeno`        bursts into tears
10:36 * Amaz         boots up an old laptop... Very old
10:50 Amaz           What would be the results of bumpmapping a 32px texture pack?
10:53 VanessaE       bbl
10:54 Amaz           ^RealBadAngel
10:55 * Krock        made an account cleanup program
10:55 * Krock        deleted about 2000 unused files
10:56 Krock          4.9, 0.4.10 to be released ~July 6th
10:56 Krock          yay
10:57 PenguinDad     I can't wait for 0.4.10 to get released because of the shadars
10:57 Zeno`          the shaders are not in 0.4.9?
11:00 Krock          shaders are there since always
11:00 PenguinDad     Zeno`: because of better shadars
11:00 twoelk         so this http://wiki.minetest.net/Creating_texture_packs needs a section on how to support bumpmapping and parallax occlusion
11:00 Zeno`          are the new shaders #ifdef'd away?
11:02 * Zeno`        looks
11:36 Amaz           RealBadAngel, might it be possible for you to make a tutorial about how to make bumpmaps in gimp please (With of without the insanebump plugin)? My attempt produced this:
11:37 Amaz           https://cdn.mediacru.sh/QOXNFzsMrg7O.png
12:04 Megaf_         Morning
12:16 * Krock        needed a sign repair tool
12:17 * Krock        wrote one
12:18 PenguinDad     Krock: what sort of sign repair?
12:19 Krock          PenguinDad, one to replace a "hack:sign_text_input" formspec with "field[text;;${text}]"
12:19 PenguinDad     There are things still using this O_o
12:22 Krock          /giveme special:signrepair
12:29 Jordach        21 posts to 4k
12:37 Jordach        -1+0
12:39 Amaz           Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=146913#p146913 Spam...
12:40 Jordach        done
13:12 Megaf_         That's quite fast http://paste.debian.net/107772/
13:19 Megaf_         Sometime I download from GitHub at 1400 KB/s and sometimes, like now, at just 90 KB/s
13:19 Megaf_         That's so slow =/
14:11 coagen         morning
14:21 sfan5          meow
14:21 sfan5          hi everyone
14:23 nore           hi sfan5
14:30 sfan5          !tell ShadowNinja https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9646#p146735
14:30 MinetestBot    sfan5: I'll pass that on when ShadowNinja is around
14:30 sfan5          <3 MinetestBot
14:30 MinetestBot    <3 sfan5
14:32 PenguinDad     !up minetest.megaf.info 30001
14:32 MinetestBot    minetest.megaf.info:30001 seems to be down
14:49 coagen         hi sfan5
14:49 sfan5          hi
14:49 sfan5          did you highlight me yesterday night?
14:49 sfan5          ah noi
14:49 sfan5          -i
14:50 sfan5          it was kaeza
14:50 Jordach        mew
14:50 LemonLake      こんにちは, sfan5
14:51 LemonLake      got mozc to work
14:51 MinetestBot    GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Fix inversion of full_punch_interval 3d6d66b 2014-07-02T16:48:11+02:00 http://git.io/YjrFTQ
14:51 daswort        any body know the name of the mod that replaces certain block with other blocks if someone on the server walks by? i have some unknown objects i need replaced in an undefined area
14:51 * sfan5        gives LemonLake a 猫
14:52 LemonLake      meow
14:52 sfan5          nyan
14:52 LemonLake      brb, nosebleed
14:52 Jordach        lelelelelelelelel
14:52 coagen         http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/885/nosebleed03.jpg
14:53 daswort        found it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2777
14:53 LemonLake      don't mock me please
14:53 * sfan5        meows at coagen
14:53 coagen         LemonLake: I do not mock sir
14:53 * sfan5        gives coagen a ,
14:53 LemonLake      its nothin crazy
14:54 LemonLake      but it gave me a headache
14:54 coagen         LemonLake: only hope to make you laugh, sorry if I did not :\
14:54 LemonLake      nah its fine
14:54 LemonLake      I meant <Jordach> lelelelelelelelel
14:54 LemonLake      but sfan5: isn't that chinese?
14:55 Jordach        LemonLake, i was thinking those anime moments
14:55 LemonLake      nope, nevermind
14:55 sfan5          LemonLake: it's both, a Hanzi and a Kanji
14:55 LemonLake      yep
14:56 LemonLake      sfan5: have you ever seen クラナド?
14:56 * Jordach      considers making a alternate Minetest_Game
14:56 sfan5          Jordach: you already have BFD...
14:56 sfan5          LemonLake: whats that?
14:57 LemonLake      wait, lemme see the translation
14:57 LemonLake      Clannad
14:57 LemonLake      an anime+game
14:57 Jordach        sfan5, based from, except running MGV7 :3
14:57 * sfan5        meows at Jordach
14:57 sfan5          LemonLake: never heard of it
14:57 sfan5          LemonLake: tip: http://beta.jisho.org/ is awesome
14:57 LemonLake      just curious :P
14:57 LemonLake      omfg
14:57 LemonLake      sfan5, that is awesome
14:58 sfan5          told 'ya
14:58 nman3600       Krock, You'll probably disagree with me but can you add a colored/stained glass mod on your server. It'll be perfect for a build i'm planning
14:59 LemonLake      you wanna go light on the mods on a server like krock's, niall
14:59 LemonLake      it can get laggy and will be even worse with more mods
14:59 ecutruin       Jordach, make a minetest game interesting enough to entice me to do art for it. XD
14:59 coagen         sfan5, LemonLake, so where' the anime MT mods btw.. heh
14:59 LemonLake      are you kidding me, coagen
14:59 Jordach        ecutruin, brb - installing a modified version of tanks
14:59 Krock          I don't need to install a mod because a single player needs it
14:59 LemonLake      hell yes
14:59 sfan5          coagen: asie made a skin mod w/ skins from touhou
14:59 LemonLake      we NEED to make one
14:59 * sfan5        exports another .xm as .wav
14:59 coagen         LemonLake: nope
14:59 LemonLake      not sure what, tho
15:00 coagen         LemonLake: I do not kid, sir
15:00 LemonLake      google now knows that im into anime
15:00 nman3600       Krock, Many other people agree with me
15:00 LemonLake      its giving me all kinds of stuff
15:00 * coagen       googles MT+anime
15:00 * sfan5        expects his avatar in the images section
15:01 Jordach        s/googles/duckduckgos/
15:01 coagen         haha
15:01 * ecutruin     really wants mesh nodes. >.<
15:01 Jordach        ecutruin, he's working on it
15:01 daswort        how do i use the inspector of world edit after enabling it?
15:01 coagen         Jordach: I use ddg usually, google gives good img results tho
15:01 Jordach        [00:00:00] - {Day changed to 01 July 2014} [13:41:58] <VanessaE> RBA's gonna attack mesh nodes next :) [13:42:01] <VanessaE> or so he says
15:01 Jordach        [23:59:34] <Jordach> FUCKING FINALLY
15:01 Jordach        ecutruin, expect me to drop the goddamn bomb when meshnodes arrive
15:01 ecutruin       Or some means to convery my mesh's to the other node type (forgot name already).. either way that lets me use my voxel art to make nodes.
15:02 sfan5          Jordach: I don't think you can fuck words...
15:02 Jordach        ecutruin, nodeboxes :P
15:02 ecutruin       Thats it.
15:02 * coagen       found dokucraft
15:02 ecutruin       I don't want to make nodeboxes with the nodebox editor.. I want to use my tools. xD
15:02 LemonLake      anyway, now im gonna watch more clannad
15:02 Jordach        ecutruin, ikr
15:03 Jordach        i made several nodeboxes with blender
15:03 Jordach        however, it's tedious
15:03 * Krock        ignores server.minetest.net and goes to freeminer.org main site and gets the implenting codes
15:03 ecutruin       Well I do my art with Quibicle, letting me essentially do pixel art in 3D.. which is a much nicer workflow for model making of this type.
15:03 Krock          *implementing
15:04 Amaz           A nodebox I made :) https://cdn.mediacru.sh/B_CtAivHn2Qk.png
15:04 SylvieLorxu    Oh, FreeMiner has a nice-looking homepage...
15:04 Jordach        wat tha fack is that Amaz
15:04 sfan5          Krock: it's the same as for servers.minetest.net
15:05 coagen         sfan5: I know a girl who alwasy had a response for the american phrase: "fucking A!" which can be used to express various emotions, her retort is always: "Why not fuck a B it has two holes!"
15:05 Amaz           A tomb, like you see in cathedrals...
15:05 Krock          sfan5, yeah. but that one is about_blank - like
15:05 ecutruin       Amaz, stuff I've made via quibicle - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cxi9vzdzmk6ywpa/6NDGwDrWBl#/
15:05 Krock          *about:blank
15:05 sfan5          coagen: lol
15:05 ecutruin       Each of those are 10-15 minute tests.
15:05 Amaz           Nice.
15:06 ecutruin       I haven't had a serious project I've wanted to do art for since Ender Storage..
15:06 sfan5          Krock: freeminer just limits to number of server to 10(?) which does not include the server that breaks the javascript
15:06 coagen         sfan5: so I don't know about words, but letters certianly have holes that can be fucked... :|
15:07 Krock          sfan5, yeah. I noticed, when I change it too high, then it reproduces servers.minetest.net
15:07 Krock          any bugfix coming?
15:07 proller        дщд
15:07 proller        lol
15:07 proller        maybe fix servers^
15:07 proller        ?\
15:07 Krock          huh?
15:07 sfan5          Krock: xyz hosts the serverlist, we can't change the DNS atm
15:07 sfan5          proller: wtf
15:07 sfan5          that won't helpo
15:07 sfan5          -o
15:08 proller        somebody brokes something 3 days ago
15:08 sfan5          someone can change servers to send garbage
15:08 proller        wat
15:08 sfan5          and that garbage goes through the checks in the perl script YOU wrote
15:08 proller        1. its not garbage
15:08 proller        2. broken by SN
15:08 sfan5          (in this case: garbage = gameid & version attr. missing)
15:08 sfan5          SN??
15:09 proller        yes
15:09 sfan5          whats that?
15:09 proller        ShadowNinja,
15:09 Krock          Something New
15:09 sfan5          lolwut
15:09 Krock          xD
15:09 sfan5          there is not a single line of code written by ShadowNinja running on the master server
15:09 proller        think more
15:09 sfan5          servers.minetest.net still uses the perl one
15:09 proller        yet more
15:09 sfan5          enlighten me
15:10 proller        its not perl problem
15:10 proller        no
15:10 sfan5          this is not what I said
15:10 proller        try find problem in 5 days 8)
15:11 sfan5          you're not being helpfuk
15:11 proller        you want host serverlist, its good challenge
15:11 sfan5          helpful*
15:11 coagen         I could help host
15:11 coagen         I got 999megs of BW
15:11 coagen         :|
15:12 Krock          seems like MT serverlist needs a re-do
15:12 * sfan5        facepalm hard
15:12 * Krock        hears a glass splitting
15:12 sfan5          Krock: did you see the PR with the python serverlist?
15:12 sfan5          that was actually integrated
15:12 Krock          oh
15:13 coagen         what is the problem with the script? I will rewrirte it in bash :P
15:13 ecutruin       So yeah, Jordach, you need to come up with something amazing that I will want to do art for. ^-~
15:14 Krock          coagen, not bash. use batch.
15:14 Jordach        ecutruin, i've already made a list of things hated in MC
15:14 Jordach        Zombies spawning more zombies
15:14 sfan5          coagen: there is no problem anymore, servers.minetest.net just still uses the old thing
15:14 proller        instead of doing shomething new useful MT people just broke already working things
15:14 ecutruin       No way.. zombies spawning more zombies is epic! xD
15:14 Jordach        ecutruin, even on easy, they get annoying quickly
15:14 ecutruin       MC really needs more of a challenge at least.. removing that means you should definitely add challenge somewhere else.
15:14 sfan5          proller: nobody could read that perl stuff
15:15 coagen         Krock: I write scripts in bash that parse 12m-13m Lines of log files, as well as other scripts that parse ~300K php files for malicious code... so I like bash
15:15 proller        but it works year+ without problem
15:15 Jordach        ecutruin, don't worry; i can invent brand new mobs :P
15:15 coagen         sfan5: ah ok
15:15 sfan5          coagen: you can't (reliably) parse PHP for malicious things
15:15 proller        yes, broken python thing better than working perl
15:16 Jordach        stfu
15:16 sfan5          what's broken with the new serverlist?
15:16 sfan5          !deop joepie91
15:16 sfan5          wtf Jordach
15:16 Krock          o.o
15:16 proller        http://servers.minetest.net/ broken 3 days
15:16 Jordach        i'm tired of this freeminer is better shit
15:16 coagen         sfan5: well you can parse for the basics, I have yet to add advanced features, but my code detects base64 evals, and other fun stuff
15:16 sfan5          proller: it's not using the python version, it still uses the perl thing
15:16 SylvieLorxu    lol, people still tab-complete too quickly
15:17 SylvieLorxu    Also: Hi joepie91, you here too? :P
15:17 Jordach        SylvieLorxu, quassels is based on how often that nick speaks
15:17 proller        sfan5, * its broken *
15:17 Jordach        proller, you're broken
15:17 sfan5          proller: servers.minetest.net DOES NOT EVEN run the python SL
15:17 SylvieLorxu    Jordach: I should set WeeChat to sort that on last message
15:17 Krock          <Jordach>i'm tired of this freeminer is better shit
15:17 Krock          yup
15:17 ecutruin       I have some really crazy ideas for a MC/MT style game.. but I just.. need a lot of things not available in MT.. and coding it in MC doesn't appeal to me much. >.<
15:18 * sfan5        meows at ecutruin
15:18 Krock          both games are good
15:18 * ecutruin     mews back.
15:18 Jordach        ecutruin, i understand your pain
15:18 Jordach        it's either forge or gtfo sadly
15:18 Jordach        (because they'll bitch about it not working with forge)
15:18 ecutruin       Forge doesn't bother me.. after all, I can talk to all of the forge developers whenever I want.
15:18 ecutruin       And most of the major mod developers as well. >.>
15:18 * sfan5        meows at ecutruin
15:19 sfan5          coagen: btw: did you get Atom to work?
15:19 coagen         sfan5: atom-editor-git aur build installed, but didnt fire it up yet, i'll do that now!
15:19 ecutruin       I am worried a bit from what I've seen in terms of direct for custom node drawtypes though.   I love what I've seen with the framed glass thing being worked on.. but hardcoding all the draw types seems very restrictive.
15:20 sfan5          ecutruin: lua is too slow for doing rendering
15:20 ecutruin       I know.
15:20 ecutruin       I'm not sure of a good solution, mind you.. but it still worries me. ^-^;
15:20 sfan5          have fun inventing a language that compiles into assembler
15:20 Jordach        meshnodes are basically the solution here
15:20 * ecutruin     has worked with x86 assembler before. ^-^;
15:21 ecutruin       Then again, that was probably 10 years or so ago in college.
15:21 sfan5          ecutruin: we need arm and mips too
15:21 ecutruin       Bleh.
15:21 ecutruin       I just want to make pretty art.
15:21 Jordach        lemme reload
15:21 coagen         sfan5: looks great! I will use this for some projects
15:22 ecutruin       But modifying the core engine for each new drawtype I need.. doesn't seem very good, as it forces a new client install for things that may only be useful to specific game types.
15:22 sfan5          coagen: I recommend you to use the seti & the monokai theme
15:22 coagen         sfan5: going to try that now!
15:23 Jordach        there
15:23 * ecutruin     shrugs though.
15:23 Jordach        tl;dr, dropbox isn't working right
15:23 sfan5          coagen: if you want the overview thing on the right, it's called "minimap"
15:23 Jordach        i'm uploading at 40MB/S
15:23 sfan5          coagen: ...and my font is "Envy Code R"
15:23 coagen         sfan5: yes!, finding it
15:24 ecutruin       I honestly don't see a good solution either, sfan5, yeah.  Just means I have to either dig into C++ (uhg) or wait for the current devs to do the stuff I need to make what I want. ^-^;
15:25 Jordach        ecutruin, patience is a good thing here :3
15:25 ecutruin       Oh, I have tons of patiene. ^-^
15:25 ecutruin       patience*
15:25 coagen         sfan5: oh this has solarized! nice :D
15:25 ecutruin       I am easily able to do nothing for large amounts of time! ^-~
15:25 * ecutruin     laughs.
15:25 * sfan5        purrs at ecutruin
15:26 Jordach        i do that daily
15:26 sfan5          TIL Jordach purrs daily
15:29 * ecutruin     mews and laughs.
15:31 * Jordach      engages the fans
15:31 Jordach        it's rendering time
15:31 * sfan5        gives Jordach a kitten
15:31 sfan5          to keep you busy while rendering
15:33 Jordach        frame 2 of 720
15:34 Jordach        however, it's segmented in 1/8 frame segments
15:34 Jordach        !c 720/8
15:34 MinetestBot     90
15:34 Jordach        1/6 *
15:34 sfan5          !c 720/8.0
15:34 MinetestBot     90.0
15:35 Jordach        !c 720/6
15:35 MinetestBot    120
15:35 Jordach        more like lit
15:35 Jordach        (i can't type)
15:35 nman3600       Krock, Can i have the link to the NEWEST Mini map page on your server?
15:36 Calinou        hi
15:36 nman3600       Hi
15:36 Calinou        Krock, in a shop I saw “Fish & Crock” food.
15:37 markv          Hello peoplest
15:37 nman3600       Hey markv
15:38 markv          hello there nman3600
15:38 nman3600       Krock, Hello?
15:45 Jordach        pssh
15:45 Jordach        120 frames = 6 hours
15:46 Jordach        TIL i need an Intel XEON
15:46 Calinou        Xeons aren't any faster than desktop CPUs, Jordach: to see large gains, you'd need at least 2 Xeons, which is 3 times more expensive than a single CPU.
15:47 coagen         actually
15:47 coagen         I bought a xeon 3.4 ghz to replace an i7 920 for $245 on ebay
15:47 coagen         the end of last year
15:48 Jordach        tl;dr i need a render farm
15:55 ecutruin       lol
15:56 ecutruin       I need... somethng I want to make art for. O.o;
15:56 Calinou        ecutruin, Minetest!
15:56 Calinou        (-:
15:57 ecutruin       Calinou, none of the MT mods really interest me (no offense).  Unfortunately, I've been spoiled by MC mods. ^-^;
15:57 ecutruin       And I've grown bored of most of the MC mods even. ^-^;
15:58 coagen         ecutruin: have you tried the Lord of the Test game?
15:58 ecutruin       coagen, haven't even seen it.  Got a link?  I haven't seen everything in MT.. but quite a bit.. and nothing that has caught my attention completely as of yet.
15:59 coagen         ecutruin: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5578
16:00 Calinou        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9662 → improved Soccer mod
16:01 Calinou        ecutruin, design high-resolution textures, models, sounds, OpenGameArt may enjoy your contribution
16:01 Calinou        http://opengameart.org
16:01 Calinou        (or just publish some freely licensed stuff from eg. another game; you can do that too)
16:01 ecutruin       I don't care for high-resolution textures.. they don't really add much to the game to me really.
16:01 Calinou        this has nothing to do with Minetest 8)
16:01 Calinou        or even Minecraft
16:01 Calinou        doing pixel art is also useful, to a lesser extent
16:02 Calinou        but high-resolution stuff is of greater use to most people there
16:02 ecutruin       As for Lord of the Test, coagen, I'm sorry, but I really don't like the style of what I see in the screenshots.
16:03 coagen         ecutruin: groovy, its not for everyone I think ;)
16:03 ecutruin       I do pixel, voxel, and some vector art.  I've started to learn some Blender and animation with Jordach's help, but that's slow going due to work and time.  Generally don't do higher quality art as its just not my thing. ^-^
16:04 Calinou        I do both, heh
16:04 * sfan5        puts a kitten on coagen's head
16:04 * coagen       just realized his arch mirrorlist was fucked and thats why he wasn't getting updates for few days
16:05 * coagen       attempts to maintain composure while kitten digs claws into scakp
16:05 coagen         *scalp
16:05 coagen         OW!
16:06 Krock          nman3600, latest post on the server topic ||| Calinou, yeah. food have crazy names :P
16:07 * coagen       removes kitten and places a "no kittens" hat on
16:07 coagen         sfan5: my cat scraches me whenever I pet her :| very annoying
16:08 sfan5          give it to me!!!!
16:08 coagen         lol
16:09 * coagen       places a large grey dirty looking but affectionately scratching cat onto sfan5's head
16:09 * sfan5        purrs
16:09 * PenguinDad   doesn't have a cat
16:10 * LemonLake    's cat has to be put down soon
16:10 coagen         she does look dirty, but she's not, her fur is just mottled in a strange way
16:10 coagen         LemonLake: :\ sorry
16:12 Jordach        Frame 15, sigh
16:12 Jordach        dis gun b a while
16:19 sfan5          >gun
16:19 sfan5          omg
16:26 LemonLake      omg i might finish clannad today
16:26 LemonLake      then i have to watch clannad after story
16:27 Calinou        clannad? story?
16:28 LemonLake      'clannad: after story'
16:28 LemonLake      they're both animes
16:28 Calinou        PenguinDad, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1433 → I read your comments in Fluttershy's voice :<
16:28 Calinou        the power of avatars
16:29 PenguinDad     Rofl
16:30 PenguinDad     john_minetest: gentoo user problems :P
16:31 Calinou        my “16x16 "blank/transparent" texture, pure white and pure black textures” issue on GitHub was totally deleted
16:31 Calinou        it's 404 when I click on the notification
16:31 Calinou        https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/179 → 404
16:31 markv          Know any good games?
16:32 markv          For linux
16:32 markv          FPSes
16:32 LemonLake      steam
16:32 LemonLake      windows
16:32 coagen         Serious Sam 3
16:32 Calinou        neither Steam nor Windows are games
16:32 Calinou        markv, Tesseract: http://tesseract.gg
16:32 Calinou        hey, how about we play that OpenArena game you promised me? ;)
16:32 markv          Looks nice
16:32 Calinou        like, 1.75 year ago :P
16:33 coagen         openarena is fun
16:33 coagen         used to play it ocassionally
16:33 markv          :)
16:33 Calinou        john_minetest, it's a low power dual core
16:33 Calinou        programs will behave nicely (low power CPUs are fine for lightweight stuff), but the heavy ones will all be slow
16:34 coagen         john_minetest: 2 < 4
16:34 markv          Hmm Tesseract
16:34 markv          Not realistic enough
16:34 Calinou        john_minetest, hey, marketing 101: low-end CPUs are “low power”, high-end CPUs are “high performance” (-:
16:34 markv          I liked Shadow of Chernobyl
16:34 Calinou        markv, http://etlegacy. com → for more realism
16:34 Calinou        it's not a simulator though ;)
16:34 markv          Not true
16:35 Calinou        http://etlegacy.coù
16:35 Calinou        http://etlegacy.com
16:35 coagen         markv: have you played "Metro: Last Light"?
16:36 Calinou        ehm
16:36 markv          Nope
16:36 markv          But I'll try
16:36 * Calinou      wouldn't
16:36 markv          Fucking bingo
16:36 coagen         markv: I don't usually play fps games, but I liked what I've played so far, at least 4-6 hrs in or so
16:36 markv          I love you
16:36 coagen         Calinou: didn like it?
16:36 Calinou        this is what you would say to your wallet
16:37 markv          Is it the russian type?
16:37 coagen         markv: yes
16:37 Calinou        coagen, proprietary, paid, potentially DRM'd crap.
16:37 markv          Good
16:37 ecutruin       I want a game like Fallout 3.. without all the bugs and awkwardness.
16:37 Calinou        oh, their GNU/Linux port also has limited graphic settings too.
16:37 ecutruin       Unfortunately, I doubt that'll ever happen. xD
16:37 markv          Will I have to torrent it?
16:37 Calinou        (while playable, it means the developers have poor practices)
16:37 coagen         Calinou: meh, I wanted a game that was russian, so I put it on russian audio and eng subs and played it like that, was fun :)
16:38 * markv        can't find the site
16:38 Calinou        Freeminer is pretty much russian :P
16:38 coagen         Calinou: sorry I play steam games and give them my money, I feel ashamed sometimes :P
16:38 Calinou        try to give them less money
16:38 markv          5gb...
16:39 markv          4 days
16:39 Calinou        viva el AAA games
16:39 Calinou        free gaming wins on the hardware requirements, hugely
16:39 coagen         wow
16:40 coagen         i'm going to have to blackhole those canadian bastards
16:40 Calinou        markv, TItanfall is capable of eating more than 25 GB, something like 40 GB I think
16:40 markv          Wait wut?
16:40 Calinou        oh, it also uses 10 year old engine, yet is sold 60 € on consoles
16:40 Calinou        (-:
16:41 coagen         just got a heavy hit on a webserver
16:41 * coagen       looks to see who it was, bets on canada
16:41 Calinou        at #fsf, we're talking about web servers right now, heh
16:42 coagen         what is #fsf?
16:42 coagen         free software foundation?
16:42 Calinou        yes, pretty much
16:44 coagen         162.210.196.97 - - [02/Jul/2014:12:37:22 -0400] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.0" 200 59 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MJ12bot/v1.4.5; http://www.majestic12.co.uk/bot.php?+)"
16:44 coagen         what is this
16:51 coagen         it wasn't canadians
16:52 coagen         but I did have some agressively hitting a wp site a couple months ago
16:52 Calinou        install Limit Login Attempts
16:52 Calinou        quite important :)
16:52 coagen         good idea, I wonder if I can do a force install of that pkg to sites
16:53 coagen         without editing the db userpass and logging in and doing it myself, etc...
16:53 Calinou        why? :P
16:55 coagen         got a lot of sites I would like to get it installed on
16:55 coagen         hah
16:55 coagen         Calinou: I do have some bruteforce protection already, but I think more never hurts, haha
16:56 * markv        gets shadow of chernobyl
16:57 markv          4 hours
16:57 coagen         markv: steam?
16:57 markv          yeah
16:58 Calinou        you can't pay with maptools:copper_coin
16:58 Calinou        :(
17:00 coagen         markv: http://store.steampowered.com/app/297120/
17:00 coagen         looks different...
17:01 coagen         I think I might have to get a copy of that
17:02 Calinou        if you're into FPS with ugly lighting, try AssaultCube
17:02 coagen         haha
17:03 markv          AssaultCube is dreadful
17:03 Calinou        learn to play it
17:04 coagen         its fast, I'll give yo uthat
17:04 coagen         but why not just play quake 1, dm6
17:05 coagen         Calinou: I assume you've played xonotic?
17:06 Calinou        yes
17:06 Calinou        <coagen> but why not just play quake 1, dm6
17:06 Calinou        paid, proprietary too
17:06 coagen         ok fine
17:06 Calinou        copyright lasts more than 18 years in our society :(
17:06 coagen         see this list
17:06 coagen         https://www.foresightlinux.se/person-shooter-games-linux/
17:07 Calinou        I learned about that particular distribution because it has a Minetest package
17:07 Calinou        was put on minetest.net
17:07 markv          Calinou, Lets play nexuiz
17:07 * PenguinDad   likes Red Eclipse
17:07 * markv        plays portal
17:07 Calinou        dead game
17:08 * sfan5        meows at Calinou
17:08 Calinou        unmaintained, latest stable release contains bugs (white water without reflections), worse than Xonotic overall
17:08 Calinou        you can play Xonotic with Nexuiz physics and balanced
17:08 Calinou        "exec physics252.cfg; exec balance252.cfg" I think
17:09 coagen         markv: xonotic is nexuiz
17:09 coagen         sort of
17:09 markv          I know
17:09 markv          I have nexuiz though
17:09 markv          Only played the tutorial but I have it
17:09 PenguinDad     I saw nexuiz in a shop once
17:10 SylvieLorxu    PenguinDad: Old Nexuiz, not the new crap one
17:10 coagen         also, if that list wasn't long enough, wikipedia has it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freeware_first-person_shooters
17:10 SylvieLorxu    Some people bought the name to make a quite different game
17:10 * markv        is usually happy with half life 2
17:11 markv          I'll se if I can get the linux version
17:11 PenguinDad     SylvieLorxu: I know that the new one is crap
17:11 coagen         wow, they actually updated assault cube last year
17:12 coagen         wonder with what
17:12 * coagen       goes to find changelog
17:13 coagen         Did anyone play "Black Mesa"?
17:13 coagen         I never got around to it... but I downloaded the awesome soundtrack
17:13 markv          I did
17:13 coagen         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mesa_%28video_game%29
17:13 markv          Well
17:13 markv          I played Half Life 1
17:13 coagen         markv: thoughts on it?
17:14 coagen         :\
17:14 coagen         thats not black mesa then
17:14 markv          It's quite hard but it is awesome
17:14 markv          PRactically the same
17:14 markv          Half Life 1 copied Black mesa
17:14 markv          Or vice versa
17:14 coagen         black mesa was released sept 14, 2012
17:14 * markv        extracts 8,000 files
17:15 markv          Okay fuck it I actually hate portal
17:15 coagen         hey, I just realized something
17:15 coagen         if I have portal/portal 2 does that mean I can play black mesa
17:15 markv          coagen, What?
17:15 coagen         hrm
17:15 markv          Erm
17:15 markv          yes
17:16 markv          You can play Half-Life 2
17:16 coagen         cool!
17:16 coagen         I dont have hl2
17:16 markv          Maybe not Black Mesa
17:16 coagen         :|
17:16 markv          hl2.exe
17:16 markv          hl.exe if you have it
17:16 markv          Both Portal 1 and 2 use the Half-Life 2 (Source) Rendering engine
17:16 coagen         black mesa uses the source version included with Orange box
17:17 coagen         markv: I'm going to check on that, and maybe play Black Mesa tonight :D
17:17 markv          I'm still downloading stuffs
17:18 markv          6.7GB
17:18 markv          HL2 for linux
17:18 markv          If i have to resize my partition again I will cry
17:18 markv          I need an SSD
17:19 coagen         SSD's are smaller :|
17:19 markv          2.8GB read speed :P
17:20 markv          */sec
17:20 markv          http://www.span.com/product/OCZ-PCI-Express-Z-Drive-R4-RM88-ZD4RM88-FH-3-2T-PCI-Express-v2-x8-SSD-3-2TB-SSD~34399
17:20 markv          Shit just saw the price
17:20 coagen         thats a pci express one tho
17:20 coagen         :|
17:20 sfan5          2800 MB != 2.8 GB
17:20 coagen         they are often incompatible with linux :|
17:20 coagen         afaik
17:21 markv          ..
17:21 markv          SATA is compatible though
17:21 markv          It uses SATA, right?
17:21 sfan5          markv: can't you read?
17:21 sfan5          it says PCI-E
17:21 Jordach        http://imgur.com/gallery/IP4pNdu
17:22 sfan5          SATA can't even transfer 2.8GB/S
17:22 markv          I don't want that one
17:22 sfan5          s/S/s/
17:22 * coagen       places a kitten on sfan5's head
17:22 * sfan5        meows at the kitten on his head
17:23 sfan5          https://mediacru.sh/WJWiU8ZaoWRe
17:23 coagen         what is this digital madness
17:23 * coagen       jams
17:23 sfan5          chiptunes <3
17:23 coagen         sweet
17:24 sfan5          aka the result of:
17:24 sfan5          !tw https://twitter.com/sfan55/status/484344677257469952
17:24 MinetestBot    http://keygenmusic.org/ <3 (@sfan55)
17:25 coagen         haha
17:26 coagen         keygen music is the best
17:26 sfan5          it resulted in 207 MB of FLACs
17:26 LemonLake      ^
17:27 LemonLake      damn sfan ninja
17:27 sfan5          :D
17:27 coagen         http://keygenjukebox.com/
17:27 coagen         hrm
17:28 ShadowNinja    sfan5: I'm surprised only that it took so long to break the server list.  The JS does some checks and escaping, but it assumes that the server data is reasonably sane.  In fact XSS is probably possible corrently, in ways I won't describe here.
17:28 sfan5          ShadowNinja: nope, I searched for XSS and did not find any
17:29 ShadowNinja    I told xyz to drop the domain.
17:29 ShadowNinja    sfan5: /query
17:29 sfan5          ShadowNinja: the perl things just does not check everything
17:29 sfan5          coagen: in case you care: http://sprunge.us/Bcef
17:30 coagen         sfan5: I do, but this is a list, not files I can download listen to :|
17:30 sfan5          coagen: my upload speed is 25 KB/s.. if you have time...
17:31 sfan5          lemme zip them
17:31 coagen         markv, Calinou: this is interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhot
17:31 LemonLake      i love that game
17:32 PenguinDad     sfan5: that's my download speed!
17:32 coagen         sfan5: groovy man
17:32 * sfan5        hugs PenguinDad
17:32 sfan5          coagen: how about opus audio codec instead of flac?
17:32 sfan5          opus sounds like the original even at 75 kbit/s
17:32 sfan5          sample: <the mediacrush link I posted>
17:33 coagen         sfan5: sure
17:33 sfan5          k
17:33 coagen         sfan5: how do I play opus? will mplayer play that?
17:33 sfan5          if you have a recent ffmpeg it will support opus playback without any additonal libs
17:33 coagen         groovy
17:33 sfan5          tip: mpv is better than mplayer
17:34 coagen         hrm cool
17:35 whiskers75     wut part
17:35 * whiskers75   meows at sfan5
17:35 * sfan5        meows at whiskers75
17:36 coagen         sfan5: mpv git-7084e80 rdy to go
17:36 coagen         LemonLake: you've played Superhot?
17:36 LemonLake      hours and hours on end of it
17:37 LemonLake      its addictive
17:37 LemonLake      finding different ways to do the levels
17:37 LemonLake      fascinating concept
17:37 coagen         LemonLake: looks very interesting, I will try it
17:38 ShadowNinja    sfan5: Also, MinetestBot: fail on !tell. (highmon++)
17:39 sfan5          ShadowNinja: it breaks frequently :(
17:40 * coagen       sticks to release versions for now :|
17:40 sfan5          coagen: release of mpv? the latest git is perfectly stable
17:40 ShadowNinja    (And issue fixed)
17:40 MinetestBot    ShadowNinja: 07-02 19:30 UTC <sfan5> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9646#p146735
17:40 Calinou        <markv> Both Portal 1 and 2 use the Half-Life 2 (Source) Rendering engine
17:40 ShadowNinja    Ohai.
17:40 Calinou        these are full game engines, both loosely based on Quake, not just rendering engines
17:41 sfan5          ShadowNinja: it randomly breaks, when I reload the module it works.. hrm...
17:43 ShadowNinja    sfan5: Feel free to add those rewordings to the SL now.
17:43 sfan5          ok
17:43 asl            ShadowNinja: will the chainsaw be fix any time soon?
17:44 sfan5          coagen: got the url?
17:44 ShadowNinja    asl: Maybe.  If anything it should get more nodes though.
17:45 coagen         sfan5: yes!, thx
17:52 coagen         In response to learning about Facebook involvement  in a psychology experiment that manipulated the news feeds of 700,000 users without their knowledge: http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=2652&cid=61971
18:06 JMiahMan       Hello All
18:06 sfan5          hello
18:07 JMiahMan       Hello sfan5 are you still working on minetest-next?
18:07 sfan5          yes
18:08 JMiahMan       are there mobs currently?
18:08 sfan5          no
18:08 JMiahMan       if I was a add a mobs mod would that screw things up?
18:09 coagen         john_minetest: the comment was amusing to me...
18:09 sfan5          no
18:09 JMiahMan       Good, thanks
18:30 Calinou        coagen, viva el facebook
18:34 jp             Viva la Revolucion
18:40 jp             Ah toi aussi t'es français...
18:40 Calinou        non, il ne l'est pas ;)
18:40 Calinou        il est allemand je crois
18:40 jp             Ah, ok.
18:40 Calinou        john_minetest, you're German, right?
18:42 hummeleBop     salut jp :p
18:43 jp             Salut hummeleBop
18:43 hummeleBop     y'a #minetest-fr pour des conversations en français
18:43 jp             Les Français se réveillent parmi les anglophones :p
18:43 jp             Oui je sais, merci.
18:45 jp             J'avais*
18:46 jp             There are alot of germans on MT.
18:46 Calinou        a lot*
18:46 jp             Thx
18:52 LemonLake      One more episode, then there's some work to do, then the next series
18:55 Megaf__        !up minetest.megaf.info 30001
18:55 MinetestBot    minetest.megaf.info:30001 seems to be down
18:55 Megaf__        when will that be fixed? =/
18:59 Megaf__        jp; yep, 40% of players on my server are Germans
18:59 Megaf__        40% from USA
18:59 LemonLake      that's quite the statistic
18:59 LemonLake      is that just an estimate or do you have some sort of geoip?
18:59 Megaf__        and the rest from crazy countries and latin america
18:59 Megaf__        LemonLake; I asked them
18:59 PenguinDad     Megaf__: minetest.megaf.info seems to have dns problems
19:00 jp             The portuguese too, they are quite representated here.
19:01 PenguinDad     "21:00:16: ERROR[main]: Couldn't resolve address: Der Name oder der Dienst ist nicht bekannt"
19:02 Megaf__        try 30003
19:03 PenguinDad     Megaf__: how does a different port solve dns problems?
19:04 Megaf__        my server on 30001 is down, Im updating it
19:04 Megaf__        PenguinDad; 177.18.182.124 30003
19:04 Megaf__        !up 177.18.182.124 30003
19:04 MinetestBot    177.18.182.124:30003 is up (228ms)
19:05 Megaf__        PenguinDad; 177.18.182.124 30003
19:06 JMiahMan       mine is theloveoflinux.com:30000
19:06 PenguinDad     http://a.pomf.se/mrspsz.png eye killing beaches :D
19:07 Megaf__        I removed my Wisdom tooth today
19:07 Megaf__        on the left side
19:08 Megaf__        what a terrible feeling i have now
19:10 JMiahMan       Megaf__: on any pain killer?
19:10 PenguinDad     I love how stable debian is >:(
19:11 JMiahMan       PenguinDad: I role with Fedora, no issues here
19:12 Calinou        buildaworld.net wants to download a .swf file. “wow, great graphics” was my reaction
19:14 * JMiahMan     is debating on what's for lunch..
19:14 jp             This project looks very nice, Calinou.
19:14 JMiahMan       Hey I noticed there's all these Windows builds for things, why isn't there any linux builds or rpms?
19:15 LemonLake      because nobody likes us so we have to compile ourselves
19:15 LemonLake      it also saves time for the devs having to compile per-distro
19:15 Calinou        jp, Terasology has similar, if not better graphics
19:15 LemonLake      with windows, its just 'get this windows copy'
19:16 LemonLake      since they mostly all work the same
19:16 Calinou        http://terasology.org/ and https://github.com/movingblocks/terasology
19:16 JMiahMan       well technically you could do static binary builds for Linux
19:16 Calinou        Java, free/libre
19:16 jp             Calinou : Terasology have probably a larger devs-team than MT, right ?
19:16 Calinou        no real gameplay for now, but has great graphics, but is slow
19:16 Calinou        smaller, probably
19:17 jp             ?!
19:17 Calinou        mostly 2 or 3 devs
19:17 Calinou        but they have shader pros for sure, like we have RealBadAngel here :D
19:17 JMiahMan       I bet those binaries would be huge though
19:18 Calinou        JMiahMan, what's wrong with building yourself?
19:18 jp             We really need welcome shader pros, so...
19:18 Calinou        it's not like it's complicated
19:18 Calinou        jp, the progress we could do is reflective/refractive water, entity shadows
19:18 JMiahMan       Have you built minetest-next
19:19 JMiahMan       Because I am lazy and I would rather have it all in one package :P
19:19 PenguinDad     JMiahMan: you don't have to build minetest_next
19:19 JMiahMan       ie. a deb or in my case a RPM
19:20 JMiahMan       PenguinDad: yes from my understanding you have to build the latest git pull of minetest
19:20 jp             Calinou : btw, terasology & buildaworld are modding-modulable as MT ?
19:21 JMiahMan       It would be nice if they were just packaged together so you don't have to worry about grabbing a non working version of get as it should be a moving target
19:21 JMiahMan       * git
19:22 Megaf__        [16:10:50] <PenguinDad> I love how stable debian is >:(
19:22 Megaf__        me too, it never crashes, I keep it running for months without a single reboot or even X restart
19:22 Megaf__        [16:10:39] <JMiahMan> Megaf__: on any pain killer?
19:23 Megaf__        They are not working really well
19:23 PenguinDad     copy pasting things into minetest crashes my terminal
19:23 JMiahMan       Megaf__: sorry to hear that
19:23 jp             debian-stable packages are covered with dust...
19:23 Megaf__        it was really hard to get my tooth away
19:23 Calinou        jp, Terasology is a bit moddable
19:23 Calinou        they have an IRC channel, #terasology
19:23 Megaf__        he had to remove lots of bone and separate the ooth in 3 parts
19:23 Calinou        mods are done in Java too, but I'm not sure
19:23 Megaf__        [16:23:11] <PenguinDad> copy pasting things into minetest crashes my terminal
19:23 Calinou        there's at least some kind of module system, it isn't entirely monolithic :D
19:24 Calinou        <JMiahMan> Have you built minetest-next
19:24 Megaf__        Not Debian-'s fault, but minetest fault
19:24 Calinou        nope, I'm the Carbone developer ;)
19:24 Calinou        easy to download a game; you don't have to compile it
19:24 Calinou        eg. you get Minetest Git, compile it, download Carbone, put it in the “games” directory, run the game, switch to Carbone with the green C button in the games list and you're done.
19:26 JMiahMan       Calinou: I'm debating or weather or not to make an rpm. When I install a game I install it on 4 Fedora boxes, so I just build rpms and go from there. I'm using F20 and F19 and have a build server for such tasks. I just don't want to spend a ton of time hunting things down making sure the git pull hasn't been broken in some way etc..
19:26 JMiahMan       Just trying to decide if it's worth it, I am already running a minetest server
19:27 Calinou        I think it'll be sunny tomorrow.
19:27 Calinou        you talked about weather ;)
19:27 Calinou        JMiahMan, write something like my one-line script that you pass around
19:27 Calinou        (but for Fedora)
19:27 JMiahMan       wrong weather
19:28 JMiahMan       to build an RPM? Or to just compile?
19:29 JMiahMan       speaking or weather it should be 109 today, and tomorrow 108 so it will be sunny
19:30 Calinou        108°C tomorrow here.
19:31 Calinou        Celsius vs Fahrenheit :p
19:31 JMiahMan       you mean 39
19:31 Calinou        not 39°C here, thankfully
19:32 Calinou        18°C morning, 27°C afternoon, 27°C evening, 19°C night
19:32 Calinou        sunny all day
19:32 Calinou        almost no wind
19:32 JMiahMan       Nice
19:40 Megaf__        my mouth is like a basket ball
19:40 coagen         PenguinDad, JMiahMan archlinux has four diff versions of minetest in the package manager
19:40 hoodedice      ohoy, 0.4.10 out by 6 July
19:40 hoodedice      ?
19:40 coagen         hoodedice: July 16 afaik
19:40 Megaf__        !up 177.18.182.124 30001
19:40 MinetestBot    177.18.182.124:30001 is up (229ms)
19:40 Megaf__        ^ PenguinDad
19:41 PenguinDad     hoodedice: o/
19:41 hoodedice      lon time no see PenguinDad
19:41 hoodedice      \o
19:41 JMiahMan       coagen: what 4 versions?
19:42 coagen         JMiahMan: would be nice to have MT versions in other distros, I think its a great idea to do build RPM
19:42 JMiahMan       coagen: Fedora has Minetest by default, that's how I found it. I did a search for minecraft and it came up :P
19:43 coagen         JMiahMan: community/minetest + 3 aur versions: aur/minetest-classic aur/minetest-git aur/minetest-git-leveldb, and there are actually more that I would not count as seperate versions, but they differ slightly
19:44 JMiahMan       classic doesn't differ slightly, it differs a lot :P
19:44 JMiahMan       That's my next server I'm bringing up is a minetest-classic server
19:45 coagen         JMiahMan: hah! ok sounds good, then my advice is if you want to use mods like Carbone and Minetest_Next you'll need the git or dev version, but otherwise the release version 0.4.9 should work fine
19:46 JMiahMan       I'll just grab and build a rpm for git based off the fedora src rpm
19:47 JMiahMan       What's the best mob mod? I'm running simple mobs (I think it's called) on my current server is there anything better?
19:48 coagen         JMiahMan: cant say I like the mob mods I've tried, but I like the mobs in the "Lord of the Test" game
19:49 JMiahMan       Lord of the Test? Okay I'll look that up
19:50 coagen         JMiahMan: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5578
19:51 JMiahMan       Already there
19:51 JMiahMan       There seems to be only one screenshot of a mob, looks cool though
19:52 JMiahMan       https://github.com/Amaz1/Lord-of-the-Test/wiki/Mobs
19:52 coagen         JMiahMan: there are lots of mobs!
19:53 JMiahMan       Wow these are great I wonder how the AI is
19:57 kaeza          evenings
20:05 JMiahMan       huh it has horses
20:13 coagen         JMiahMan: awesome! glad you like it
20:23 sfan5          PenguinDad: y no https://mediacru.sh ?
20:23 * kaeza        pets sfan5
20:23 * sfan5        purrs
20:23 LemonLake      +sfan5
20:24 jp             https://mediacru.sh/fi3l-rOI0Ecx
20:24 LemonLake      fancy
20:26 PenguinDad     sfan5: just for you https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mJsgml_c5hYT.png
20:26 LemonLake      fancy
20:37 coagen         just a curiosity, why do so many here seem to use mediacru.sh? instead of imgur or other services
20:38 LemonLake      thats what i thoughtg
20:38 LemonLake      but apparently they all have flaws
20:38 LemonLake      + are commonly blocked by kids parental controls
20:39 coagen         ah
20:41 LemonLake      japanese singing is so hot
20:41 coagen         hmm, imgur is hosted in Cali, as well as mediacru.sh
20:42 kaeza          <coagen> just a curiosity, why do so many here seem to use mediacru.sh? instead of imgur or other services
20:42 coagen         LemonLake: jpop your top?
20:42 kaeza          just the usual (silly) argument: "imgur is closed source hurr durr"
20:43 LemonLake      not a fan of that sort of stuff
20:43 coagen         Cumulatively, over the lifetime of MediaCrush, the operating profit is $-2664.26.
20:43 coagen         wow
20:43 coagen         https://blog.mediacru.sh/2014/04/01/Transparency-reports-and-a-million-visitors.html
20:44 coagen         is mediacru.sh open source or something?
20:44 coagen         kaeza: ?
20:44 kaeza          https://mediacru.sh/docs/
20:44 LemonLake      first gigf is anime
20:44 LemonLake      i fuckin love it
20:45 LemonLake      omg i think i know her
20:45 coagen         https://blog.mediacru.sh/2013/11/21/How-we-open-sourced-our-startup.html I think I found it...
20:45 kaeza          coagen, https://github.com/MediaCrush/MediaCrush
20:45 coagen         kaeza: thx!
20:45 coagen         Our servers and our dev machines both run Arch Linux
20:45 coagen         awesome
20:46 coagen         ok, well I'm sold on it now
20:46 coagen         haha
20:46 LemonLake      wait
20:46 LemonLake      she looks like kyou!
20:46 LemonLake      is that kyou?
20:46 LemonLake      that's the anime im corrently watching :P
20:47 LemonLake      https://mediacru.sh/suvAyqUZjNZg someone confirm this is kyou?
20:47 LemonLake      https://mediacru.sh/htNd4ZEN3nAa that's her...identical
20:47 LemonLake      mediacrush owner is a clannad fan <3
20:48 coagen         LemonLake: not the expert here, but looks pretty damn similiar
20:48 LemonLake      im watching that anime right now, thats how i knew it was kyou :P
20:49 LemonLake      just started After Story (season 2 of it)
20:49 coagen         wow they're running a tor relay and .onion site too... jeez these guys are awesome
20:55 coagen         one thing I'm not quite certian on is, once upon a time, imgur used to be just for hosting and not browsing, but then went to a browsing mode that added commenting as well... wonder if mediacru.sh will do this...
20:55 LemonLake      idk
20:55 LemonLake      thats what i like about imgur
20:55 LemonLake      its fun
20:58 nore           https://github.com/ethic-rush/custom/blob/master/chatcommand.lua#L8 <-- dangerous code ahead!
20:59 coagen         huh, just saw this video about tesseract, that is wicked: http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/tesseract-a-brand-new-open-source-fps-derived-from-cube-2-sauerbraten.3683
21:05 coagen         nore: os.execute("sudo restart mt")?
21:06 coagen         nore: are you running minetest as root??? :\
21:06 nore           not me
21:06 nore           the one running this server
21:06 nore           that's why I said that code is dangerous
21:06 coagen         nore: only if the user can sudo without password
21:06 nore           well, if he needed a password
21:07 LemonLake      it'd be in the code, right?
21:07 nore           then the command wouldn't work
21:07 nore           and then, it would be useless
21:07 nore           but that means that for example, if WE is installed
21:07 Megaf          Hi everyone, I need some help with nodeeditor. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2840&p=147003#p147003
21:08 coagen         nore: interesting code though, I wonder what other uses for os.execute could be useful....
21:08 nore           users with enough privileges can do things like os.execute("sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /")
21:08 kaeza          it could also block the server indefinitely
21:08 kaeza          because os.execute *waits* until sudo exits
21:08 nore           well, anyway, that code is way too dangerous
21:08 LemonLake      +kaeza
21:08 coagen         nore: you could os.execute ip route blackhole chinaip/8 hehe
21:09 LemonLake      welcome to the world of lazy server admins
21:09 nore           it looks like the admin can't use ssh
21:09 nore           or even simpler, as VanessaE does:
21:09 nore           restart the server automatically
21:09 nore           and then, just use /shutdown...
21:10 coagen         forums just poop on iteself?
21:10 LemonLake      ^
21:10 kaeza          O_o
21:10 coagen         im getting 502
21:10 kaeza          ^
21:10 LemonLake      ^
21:10 kaeza          ^_^
21:11 LemonLake      ._____. /
21:11 coagen         someone must have done (os.execute("sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /")
21:11 LemonLake      sounds like my kind of command
21:11 kaeza          --no-preserve-root is useless
21:11 kaeza          just use /* :3
21:12 * coagen       nods
21:12 coagen         I'm not the only one getting 502 right?
21:13 LemonLake      nein
21:13 LemonLake      いいえ
21:16 jp             https://forum.minetest.net/
21:16 jp             WTF ?
21:17 coagen         jp: something broke...
21:20 Megaf          jp: thats what they get for using nginx
21:20 Megaf          =/
21:21 Megaf          I see that a lot on a lot of nginx servers
21:21 kaeza          [off] inb4 xyz ate teh forums
21:21 coagen         hah
21:26 jordan4ibanez  502 bad gateway for forum?
21:26 EvergreenTree  yep
21:27 kaeza          c55 is already informed
21:27 EvergreenTree  c55 looks like a "1337" speek version of css
21:27 EvergreenTree  :P
21:29 LemonLake      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klUfRsd20gE
21:29 LemonLake      so beautiful
21:30 coagen         so
21:30 Exio           \o/ hi
21:31 coagen         today servers.minetest.net and forums.minetest.net go down.. :|
21:32 coagen         hi Exio
21:32 coagen         could these two things connected...
21:35 coagen         looks to be a dns issue for forums.minetest.net
21:35 MinetestBot    GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix memory leaks in GenericCAO, ShaderSource and Player classes b8343cd 2014-07-02T23:33:18+02:00 http://git.io/bhApMw
21:43 jp             Probably a hack ?
21:44 coagen         jp: can't say yet, but the A record for forums.minetest.net is defiently missing...
21:45 coagen         so maybe a problem with the DNS at afraid.org... :\
22:01 LemonLake      is jordan4ibanez on a phone connection?
22:01 LemonLake      it would explain the constant reconnections
22:01 jordan4ibanez  Crashing
22:28 LemonLake      wtf
22:28 LemonLake      is there a blackout or something
22:31 kaeza          forums are back \o/
22:46 WindHero       looking at the irc logs...
22:46 WindHero       it appears that the forums were down too earlier?
22:47 LemonLake      はい
22:48 WindHero       also, any idea why kaeza isn't marked as a moderator on the forum? :/
22:49 kaeza          ninja skills
22:49 Exio           he is a CIA agent
22:49 kaeza          <.<
22:49 WindHero       ah, I see
22:49 WindHero       actually, no I don't. :P
22:49 jordan4ibanez  It works
22:50 kaeza          I can change my title :P
22:50 jordan4ibanez  It's a christmas miracle
22:51 kaeza          WindHero, I'm still here tho' https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=9
22:51 WindHero       ah, that's good to know :)
23:03 LemonLake      the suspense murders
23:03 LemonLake      but i really must sleep
23:07 LemonLake      さようなら！
23:42 WindHero       Success! https://mediacru.sh/eI12bPywBO68
23:43 WindHero       current gen time: 100-150 ms
23:43 WindHero       wonder how much it'll jump when I add biomes...
23:43 jordan4ibanez  Can the antialiasing be adjusted?
23:47 WindHero       hmm
23:47 WindHero       yeah, sorry, I was using a small window size
23:47 WindHero       I'll snap a more detailed pic
23:49 WindHero       uploadin now
23:51 jordan4ibanez  No I meant in the settings conf
23:51 jordan4ibanez  That is pretty cool though
23:52 WindHero       https://mediacru.sh/Lof8CGCZom-e
23:52 WindHero       oh
23:52 WindHero       good question, would have to look in minetest.conf.example
23:52 WindHero       that has EVERYTHING
23:56 jordan4ibanez  Lol you can ban yourself in singleplayer
23:58 WindHero       unfortunately, yes
23:58 WindHero       to get back in, you have to edit the world files...