Time  Nick            Message
00:26 ShadowNinja     sfan5: I knew that it was pretty popular, but I didn't know how much so.
00:39 Eater4          ShadowNinja: hey
01:01 arsdragonfly    How to close a formspec in the mod API?
01:42 sapier          minetest version numbering will not take all numbers from 0-inf ... there are some milestones that will trigger a minor increase ... all of them being major improvements and maybe even break compatibility to old versions
01:42 sapier          yes next version is supposed to be 0.4.10
01:43 sapier          https://forum.minetest.net/posting.php?mode=edit&f=3&t=9389 another new android preview
01:44 sapier          now mods should be download and configurable for singleplayer games
01:47 VanessaE        Information
01:47 VanessaE        The requested post does not exist.
01:47 MinetestBot     VanessaE: 06-09 20:11 UTC <nore> could you give me your thoughts on https://github.com/Novatux/pipeworks_extratubes please? (should it me merged in default pipeworks?)
01:47 MinetestBot     VanessaE: 06-14 17:18 UTC <The_Beast> WAKE UP
01:47 sapier          Exio4 noname chinese tablet? could you try cpu-z?
01:47 * VanessaE      kicks the bot squarely in the bolts.
01:47 MinetestBot     VanessaE: 06-14 17:20 UTC <The_Beast> I need you Very Important
01:47 sapier          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9389 try2
01:47 Exio4           sure
01:48 sapier          while 7fps isn't really good, I'd consider it to be "acceptable"
01:48 sapier          at least if it stays there :-)
01:49 Exio4           it had spikes, but i'd say it is 7fps, when it didn't render anything it was about 12-13fps
01:49 sapier          ok cpu-z will provide information what hardware it is
01:50 Exio4           installing
01:52 VanessaE        fwiw, if anyone goes looking for that pipeworks_extratubes repo, looks like nore moved it to here:  https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commits/extratubes
01:53 VanessaE        7fps is playable, if barely
01:53 Exio4           anything under 20fps isn't playable
01:53 VanessaE        Exio4: s/isn't playable/isn't tolerable/
01:54 sapier          well in this case only most fast android devices will be an option for you
01:54 sapier          there's about one I know having more then 20fps
01:54 Exio4           i'd compile an -Ofast ARMv7 version of the engine
01:55 Exio4           that probably makes 15-fps phones engines play nicely at 20fps
01:56 Exio4           ARM Cortex-A8 single core, (max) Clock speed: 1.01GHz, total ram: 353mb, opengl es version: 2.0, android verrsion 4.0.4, kernel version, 3.0.8+ (20130909) ?
01:56 Exio4           that other info is useful
01:57 Exio4           revision r3p2 fwiw
01:57 Exio4           is there anything useful in the other data?**
01:57 Exio4           that is what i tried to write
01:57 Exio4           gpu vendor, ARM, renderer mali 400MP
01:59 sapier          release build is already compiled at -O3 + expensive optimizations ... I'll give the additional fast-math a try but I don't think it's going to be a big difference
02:00 Exio4           when i did a very silly "profiling" in my old laptop, where i saw lots of "bottlenecks" was with the math stuff
02:01 sapier          whatever you did profile was far away from current android build ;-)
02:02 sapier          as we use fast math on pc too I guess it's not gonna cause problems
02:02 Exio4           fast math isn't so bad, it is just "unsafe in corner cases" ... that shouldn't actually happen at all
02:05 Exio4           i'm talking about a slow irrlicht build a hell lot ago, i'd say about a year and half
02:05 Exio4           i saw that where my netbook actually "had problems" was with the math calls, after using -Ofast i got a nice speedup
02:06 Exio4           (i recompiled irrlicht and minetest with -Ofast fwiw)
02:08 Exio4           nice speedup as a 5% FPS more, :P
02:08 Exio4           nothing much but.. can make the difference between "playable" and "tolerable"
02:08 sapier          we'll see
02:09 Exio4           anyway, what are the ideas for the "after 0.4.10"?
02:09 sapier          0.4.11
02:09 Exio4           :( no 0.5 branch?
02:10 sapier          no
02:10 Exio4           0.5 as fuck compatibility, lets remove all that crappy code?
02:10 sapier          none of the milestones relevant for 0.5 is even close
02:11 Exio4           if 0.5 was an actual branch where people could start doing stuff there, even if it isn't in master
02:12 sapier          for what?
02:12 Exio4           uhm?
02:12 sapier          as usualy ppl will all switch to 0.5 immediatly causing exactly same issues we have at master right now
02:12 Exio4           "switch to 0.5"
02:13 sapier          noone will change a number just because ppl feel better
02:13 Exio4           if compatibility isn't kept every six commits, i'm pretty sure people will NOT use it ;P
02:13 sapier          see firefox ... it's at 30 right now
02:13 sapier          basicaly it's number became meaningless as of ... 10? 12?
02:14 Exio4           lets call it "cleancompatcode"
02:14 sapier          which oneß
02:14 Exio4           or legacycode or whatever
02:15 sapier          so you're demanding without even knowing ... what do you expect from this? magical performance improvement by 1000%? that's not gonna happen
02:16 Exio4           magical performance improvement? why would that happen if you're only removing code that isn't actually used
02:16 sapier          we're already removing unused code
02:16 sapier          and legacy code isn't run for non legacy clients so performance difference is close to zero
02:16 Exio4           i don't care about performance
02:16 Exio4           but a lot of code just for support old clients ain't nice
02:17 sapier          so what's this all about? removing 4 lines of code?
02:17 sapier          having a nice number?
02:17 sapier          we can switch to 1000.0.0 if you feel better ;-P
02:19 Exio4           i told you i took 0.5 as breaking compatibility not a number, if the version doing that was 3.14 i'd say 3.14
02:20 sapier          for what reason
02:21 Exio4           there are lots of pull request that are "dropped" because compatibility reasons
02:21 sapier          you haven't told of anything that requires breaking compatibility. I see no reason to do this because of feeling like "hey it's a great day we could just break compat for no reason today"
02:22 Exio4           i could post your own pull request
02:23 Exio4           whatever
02:23 sapier          the one where I told this one isn't worth breaking compat and only worth adding if theres a way better reason to do?
02:24 Exio4           yours is a simple example of something SIMPLE that could be "helped" by breaking compat
02:24 sapier          no it isn't because if we always break compat because of something not worth breaking compat that's just gonna be annoying
02:24 Exio4           lots of features are hard to write by trying to keep compatibility or without touching other code
02:25 sapier          in about 2 years I had exactly 1 feature where compatibility was a real blocker
02:25 sapier          and that one is minor
02:27 sapier          fast-math doesn't seem to result in resonable speedup (on my device) as it's not hurting too I'm gonna enable it by default, maybe it helps for other devices
02:29 Exio4           because you care about compatibility too much
02:29 Exio4           that is obvious, if you try to keep compatibility, compatibility will never be a "that bad" issue
02:30 Exio4           you'll just work around the code
02:30 Exio4           damn
02:30 Exio4           didn't see him leave
02:30 Exio4           whatever
03:13 VanessaE        great, we've got an infestation of dragonflies.
03:24 RealBadAngel    lol
03:24 MinetestBot     RealBadAngel: 05-24 03:28 UTC <Megaf_> https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/issues/11#issuecomment-44076432
03:47 * RealBadAngel  yawns
03:47 MinetestBot     RealBadAngel: 06-11 22:36 UTC <Jordach> dude - i've got a meshnode waiting for you
03:47 * RealBadAngel  yawns again
03:47 MinetestBot     RealBadAngel: 06-14 11:50 UTC <nman3600> can you add dyed bags to unified inventory and also maybe a way to nickname the bags?
03:47 * RealBadAngel  yawns one more time...
03:49 RealBadAngel    :)
03:55 MinetestBot     GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Unite nodes shaders. 6c98fd6658 2014-06-15T05:40:33+02:00 http://git.io/c3j5qA
04:17 VanessaE        bbl
04:19 blaise          fsckit
04:20 blaise          I'm rm'ing my map file
04:20 blaise          starting from scratch
04:20 blaise          joined, and there were no blocks left but my building..
04:20 blaise          couldn't see anything else
04:29 blaise          shit
04:29 blaise          it literally is the exact same,
04:30 blaise          except it hasn't been modified yet
04:30 blaise          how do I generate an entire new map?
04:34 blaise          hello?!
04:38 Miner_48er      new button
04:39 blaise          there are no buttons
04:39 blaise          23:38:52: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Player::deSerialize(): PlayerArgsEnd of player "asmo.~mt" not found  In thread b56aa940: /var/tmp/portage/games-action/minetest-0.4.9/work/minetest-0.4.9/src/main.cpp:1862: int main(int, char**): Assertion '0' failed.
04:39 blaise          that's nice, eh?
04:41 blaise          fuck.
04:54 Miner_48er      delete that file
04:54 blaise          i did
05:31 Endymion        Hi, I'm kinda new to Minetest, and I know I have a silly question, but... what mod database does the client connect to?
07:05 ClaudiusGalenus Hi
07:12 jin_xi          Hi ClaudiusGalenus
07:27 Krock           hi
07:52 Krock           It's too silent
07:52 LemonLake       I agree.
07:52 LemonLake       Anyone here used nitrogen?
07:53 Krock           BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM
07:53 Krock           yes, why?
07:53 LemonLake       My wallpapers reset upon system restart, how do I make them permanent?
07:54 Krock           google
07:54 LemonLake       I have
07:54 LemonLake       but they all return results for different operating systems
07:55 Krock           http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+reserts+wallpapers+upon+computer+restart
07:55 LemonLake       Not on ubuntu, and I'm not using the default wallpaper thingy
07:56 nman3600        Does pipeworks work with warehouses from bitchange?
07:56 LemonLake       For the default one I just had to add it, but I think I have to do something with autostart on linux
07:56 Krock           <CTCP-VERSION:LemonLake>xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu
07:56 LemonLake       Krock: Mhm, xchat was compiled for ubuntu. I can run ubuntu applications on mint since it's based on it or something.
07:56 Krock           nman3600, look at configuration - yes theyshould
07:56 nman3600        Krock okay good. Thanks :)
07:57 Krock           LemonLake, k
07:57 LemonLake       Wait, I'm gonna restart my system, I think I know what to do
08:58 nman3600        Krock your server is too laggy
08:59 LemonLake       ^
08:59 LemonLake       Even with 4 people it's laggy as hell
08:59 Krock           there you go.
08:59 LemonLake       Thanks
08:59 nman3600        Thanks
08:59 LemonLake       I'm annoyed because you've changed some sort of setting that broke my entire mechanism :/
09:00 Krock           hmm?
09:00 LemonLake       I think you changed something with blinkers and autocrafters
09:00 Krock           I think that belongs to inchra.net
09:00 LemonLake       hmm?
09:01 Krock           blinkers and autocrafters have an inverval of ~5s
09:01 LemonLake       They were less in singleplayer
09:01 Krock           lag makes it up to 8s
09:01 Krock           it's 1s by default
09:02 * Krock         compiles gsmapper-minetest
09:07 Krock           !g minetest forums xyz xfences
09:07 MinetestBot     Krock: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3313
09:07 Krock           ty, dude
09:07 Krock           but it's the wrong link
09:24 nman3600        KROCK YOUR SHOP SHOP IS EMPTY
09:24 Krock           OMG
09:24 LemonLake       OH NOES
09:24 LemonLake       WHAT WILL WE DO
09:24 nman3600        GOTTA MAKE ONE NOW
09:24 LemonLake       Krock, I fixed my machine
09:25 * sfan5         meows at Krock
09:25 LemonLake       I just man-powered it with a mesecons button, got a large bag coming out every minute
09:25 PenguinDad      I'LL EXECUTE "cvs commit suicide"
09:25 * sfan5         meows at PenguinDad
09:25 sfan5           hi everyone
09:25 LemonLake       Hey
09:25 LemonLake       6 large bags from this beast of a machine
09:26 * Krock         compiled gsmapper..with one little fail
09:26 Krock           the cursor moves wrongly
09:26 Krock           s/moves/turns around
09:30 Krock           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8489&p=145079#p145079
09:30 nman3600        !title
09:30 MinetestBot     nman3600: gsmapper + map mod - Minetest Forums
09:30 nman3600        Lol
09:31 Krock           total compiling time was about 30 min again :/
09:37 nman3600        Krock can me and LemonLake turn the unbuilt service station into a bag market
09:43 Mikerhinos      hi
09:43 sfan5           Krock: get a faster PC
09:43 Krock           soon
09:43 Krock           TM
09:47 LemonLake       Krock, are you okay?
09:47 LemonLake       You keep timing out.
09:47 nman3600        Krock is it a problem for you
09:47 Krock           stop with that freaking mesecon stuff
09:47 LemonLake       o.o
09:47 nman3600        Is it to amazing for you to handle
09:47 LemonLake       I've stopped hitting it.
09:52 m5              Hello pooples
09:53 nman3600        Hey m5
09:53 Krock           hi poopm5
09:54 nman3600        hey Krocklepoop
09:58 * VanessaE      pokes MinetestBot
09:58 MinetestBot     VanessaE: 06-15 07:50 UTC <nore> there is a problem with areas and waypoints: the "Areas: " thing show after a waypoint (and moves with it) instead of being at the bottom of the screen
09:58 VanessaE        RealBadAngel, ShadowNinja ^^^^
10:01 RealBadAngel    link to that mod?
10:10 Krock           inventory closes whenever I click too fast on crafting ?!?!
10:11 nman3600        RealBadAngel did you get my message about unified inventory
10:12 RealBadAngel    yup
10:13 nore            RealBadAngel, https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas
10:13 RealBadAngel    i will code something like this one day, i do have some plans for bags
10:16 RealBadAngel    nore, hud_add is called too early
10:17 PenguinDad      Hello PENGUllN
10:17 RealBadAngel    theres some weird stuff going on there, temp fix is to put creation of hud element in minetest.after
10:18 RealBadAngel    otherwise default hud elements clears ids table or something like that
10:18 PENGUllN        hey  penguin
10:20 RealBadAngel    nore, like here: https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/blob/master/item_names.lua#L17
10:21 nore            you need to tell that to ShadowNinja...
10:22 RealBadAngel    ok, i will
10:22 RealBadAngel    nore, btw, why there are no volcanoes in mg?
10:23 nore            because I didn't code them...
10:23 RealBadAngel    also you could use moretrees
10:27 Krock           0x?EA1BADA?6E1
10:50 Krock           Is there already a "zoom" function in MT? I've seen that at FM but here, I'm not sure if it exists
10:50 VanessaE        Krock: not that I know of.
10:50 Krock           okay
10:51 LemonLake       There WAS fov changing
10:51 LemonLake       that you could abuse to make zoom
10:51 Krock           there still is
10:51 LemonLake       really? I've never got it to work
10:52 Krock           I'm using fov = 74
10:53 Krock           I think you need to close, modify file and then start MT
10:55 PenguinDad      Krock: you can change fov ingame with /set but only in singleplayer
10:55 Krock           PenguinDad, oh thx. gonna test this
10:55 LemonLake       Firearms used it, I remember that
10:55 Krock           :D
10:56 Krock           works
10:57 nman3600        Krock your server is pretty laggy now can you restart?
10:57 nman3600        Thanks Krock
11:04 * Krock         found a diamond ore at 26m
11:04 * m5            can't get the crossover cable to work
11:05 m5              WOrks only If I use the Shared to other computers option in nm-applet
11:05 PenguinDad      Krock: wow diamonds in mountains
11:05 m5              But I don't want that
11:05 * Krock         found 5 in total :D
11:06 Krock           PenguinDad, but sadly not with mgv6
11:06 m5              Can I disable the use of Ethernet for internet access in windows?
11:07 Krock           sure
11:07 VanessaE        Sokomine:  *poke*
11:07 m5              I mean, ipv6 ping works
11:07 Krock           just go to network settings and disable the ethernet card there
11:07 m5              Hmm
11:08 m5              I have 2 sources of internet connected to my desktop
11:08 m5              The external card
11:08 m5              And my laptop's card via Cat5e
11:09 m5              ALl is wel
11:09 m5              *Well
11:09 m5              Brilliant
11:10 m5              Krock, I need the ethernet card, just to prefer WiFi over Ethernet
11:10 m5              Which is understandably not default
11:10 Krock           m5, there's a priority settings somewhere
11:11 Krock           -s
11:11 m5              I did not want to click that...
11:11 m5              fuck...
11:11 Krock           hmm?
11:11 m5              It's gone
11:11 MinetestBot     PilzAdam: 05-21 20:26 UTC <BlockMen> verarsch den Bot nicht
11:11 Krock           good
11:12 Krock           lol
11:12 PilzAdam        sfan5, ...
11:12 * m5            found it
11:20 m5              * Ping reply from atomicon.: 0.000 second(s) <3
11:21 Krock           * Ping reply from brain.: N/A not arrived yet
11:21 m5              Crossover cables are not the fastest...
11:21 m5              * Ping reply from atomicon.: 8.313 second(s)
11:21 Krock           * Ping reply from brain.: 0.0000001 yearthousands
11:22 m5              * Ping reply from brain: 0.843 second(s)
11:22 m5              Do it properly :p
11:22 sfan5           PilzAdam, ...
11:23 PilzAdam        fix your bot
11:23 jin_xi          paaacmaaan
11:23 sfan5           PilzAdam: maybe
11:23 * sfan5         meows at jin_xi
11:23 * m5            starts security threats running on his home network
11:23 m5              CRON is fun...
11:26 * Krock         likes fov = 80
11:27 m5              hey try IRC sslv.tk port 6667
11:27 Krock           down
11:28 m5              Bullshit
11:28 m5              81.135.42.194
11:28 m5              Oh the port forwarding...
11:28 Krock           down
11:31 m5              I've not forwarded it...
11:32 m5              Such a fucking intuitive interface...
11:33 nman3600        lol
11:33 m5              Try it in your browser
11:34 nman3600        Wait if there's port forwarding is there port backwarding?
11:35 m5              Yeah
11:35 * m5            tries to be clever
11:35 nman3600        Seriously?
11:36 m5              I forgot
11:36 m5              TO click
11:36 m5              APPLY!!!
11:37 m5              Krock, Try now
11:37 m5              Ze firewall is down
11:37 Krock           down
11:38 m5              Hmm...
11:42 m5              Krock, port 65535
11:42 m5              Fuck wait i need to forward it
11:42 m5              Y U so retarded BT?
11:43 Krock           down
11:43 * m5            says wait
11:43 m5              ...
11:45 Taoki           Hey. Are there any hunger mods other than this one? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6342
11:46 Taoki           Not that there's anything wrong with BlockMen's. Just that it seems to be a lump of various things, and I'm not sure about that
11:47 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6690
11:48 Taoki           Thanks
11:48 VanessaE        not sure if that one still works or not
11:48 Taoki           Yeah, July 2103... we didn't have Lua HUD back then I think
11:48 m5              Maybe BT just hates IRC
11:49 m5              Krock, Try it now
11:49 Krock           I join all 30s
11:49 Krock           still down
11:49 m5              It works
11:50 m5              From a remote VPS I have
11:50 Krock           81.135.42.194:65535 is down
11:50 m5              port 6667
11:51 m5              Turns out BT are actually neutral
11:51 m5              <3
11:52 m5              Krock, Fix your client
11:53 m5              Okay sslv.tk port 6667 works fine
11:54 Krock           another soon-abandoned IRC server
11:54 m5              :(
11:54 * m5            clusters it with atomicon.tk
11:57 m5              What's a REALLY Light IRCD?
11:57 m5              Minetest >> IRC, you understand
11:58 m5              Which port is PING?
11:58 Krock           wikipedia
11:59 PenguinDad      m5: you mean ICMP PING?
11:59 m5              5000?
11:59 m5              $ping
11:59 m5              I have no idea
12:03 m5              Hmmm
12:03 m5              Maybe I can host IRC for the people in my village...
12:03 m5              Actually most don't even know what the internet is
12:03 Krock           what is an internet?
12:04 m5              It's something you use to wipe your ass in a hurry
12:04 VanessaE        Krock: don't joke.  half the players on my servers, honest to G*d, don't know what the web is or how to google something
12:05 m5              Every so often I like to pretend I am not the admin on my server and be really n00by and difficult
12:05 Krock           o.o
12:05 Krock           ehm....okay *take a while to get that*
12:05 VanessaE        Krock: it gets worse.  when I try to explain it.   "I don't have the internet on my [tablet|phone]."
12:05 m5              Lol
12:05 VanessaE        *waits for that to sink in*
12:05 Krock           HAHAH
12:05 VanessaE        yeah.  seriously.
12:05 Krock           I'd headdesk
12:06 VanessaE        meanwhile, they're playing minetest and chatting to me from said phone/tablet.
12:06 Krock           ^
12:06 m5              If nobody talks to me on my server everyone will be kicked soon
12:06 asie            VanessaE: don't worry
12:06 VanessaE        and basic concepts such as copy&paste are completely foreign.
12:06 asie            with Minecraft, the count is about 95% for non-modded servers
12:07 asie            and 60% for modded servers
12:07 VanessaE        nevermind that minetest has little bugs about doing that.  I mean generally.
12:07 m5              <mark> ADMIN??!!
12:07 Krock           asie, huh? I don't get it
12:08 Krock           0xA51E
12:08 m5              VanessaE, Your servers are looking a bit empty
12:09 VanessaE        m5:  they always are at this time of day.
12:09 Krock           <.< server always wil look empty
12:09 VanessaE        http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
12:09 VanessaE        there's the stats tracker.
12:09 VanessaE        today's peak, 12.
12:09 VanessaE        the peak used to go up into the 40's at its height
12:09 m5              That is awesome
12:10 VanessaE        then buildcraft happened.
12:10 VanessaE        or rather, it fell behind
12:10 Krock           WTF? 200% CPU usage?
12:10 VanessaE        minetest moved on, buildcraft fell too far behind to keep up with my servers.
12:10 Krock           lolololo
12:10 VanessaE        Krock: multicore, hyperthread.
12:10 VanessaE        and there are 7 servers.
12:11 Krock           but 100% is themaximal
12:11 PenguinDad      Krock: I've had 300% CPU usage once
12:11 VanessaE        Krock: with four cores, 400% is equivalent to four cores running at 100%.
12:11 Krock           I have 99% CPU usage
12:11 VanessaE        that's just the way Linux accounts for it.
12:11 Krock           stupid way...
12:11 VanessaE        yeah
12:11 * m5            has 9% cpu
12:11 VanessaE        but it's useful in some cases.
12:11 Krock           my server has 2 cores an uses100%
12:12 Krock           minetest max. takes up to 50%
12:12 VanessaE        you could just as easily add them all up and divide by #cores and get the "real" average
12:12 m5              How do I make lubuntu run less useless shit?
12:12 Krock           s/an/and
12:12 VanessaE        but here, I don't do that.  I report the actual usage by core.
12:12 m5              I mean,
12:12 m5              What is watchdog/0|1 ?
12:13 Krock           a wathing dog (on/off)
12:13 Krock           *watching
12:13 VanessaE        m5: don't pay attention to what is loaded.  pay attention to what is actually consuming CPU time.
12:13 VanessaE        m5: programs which are loaded but doing nothing are often pushed into swap or just left to idle.  they do nothing and consume no resources.
12:14 m5              http://sslv.tk/shit.txt
12:14 m5              I should stop using apache...
12:14 VanessaE        m5: those are kernel threads.
12:14 Krock           *clicks*
12:15 VanessaE        they are internal stuff, not programs in the usual sense
12:15 m5              is lighttpd *lighter* ?
12:15 m5              Okay
12:15 VanessaE        all Linux distros will have a similar set of threads as those
12:15 VanessaE        all the stuff in [brackets] that is
12:15 m5              Not my debian VPS
12:15 Krock           apache or nginx, nothing other
12:15 VanessaE        m5: that's because you're not allowed to see the
12:15 VanessaE        them*
12:16 * m5            does it with root
12:16 VanessaE        VPS root != real root.
12:16 VanessaE        you don't have root on the bare hardware
12:16 VanessaE        you just have a virtual machine
12:16 m5              Ah
12:16 m5              Gotcha
12:16 m5              okay
12:17 VanessaE        of course it depends on the VPS provider and the kernel and a bunch of other shit that I don't know about :P
12:17 VanessaE        but afaik all Linux kernels do that
12:17 asie            Krock: i use lighttpd
12:17 m5              I have one with shitty uptime in buffalo, america
12:17 VanessaE        as for a web server, I use nginx
12:17 asie            and i cannot complain
12:20 VanessaE        think I'll go lie down for a while
12:20 VanessaE        greetz, Jordach
12:21 m5              What's netbios?
12:22 m5              and microsoft-ds
12:24 Jordach         -> !g
12:26 jp__            Hello. How to remove a cart please ?
12:27 PilzAdam        shift click
12:28 jp__            Thanks !
12:32 * m5            has lighttpd
12:34 m5              Anyone beat that ? http://sslv.tk/disk.txt
12:36 m5              How do I free some ram?
12:43 SmugLeaf        m5: there is nothing really wrong with apache
12:43 SmugLeaf        the default config can sometimes be stupid
12:43 m5              Too much load
12:44 m5              Just need it to stop the bastards at dot.tk terminating my domain
12:44 SmugLeaf        .tk  are worthless
12:46 m5              Well it's free and works
12:46 m5              I'm waiting for .free
12:46 Jordach         m5, then don't use the default apache page
12:46 Krock           m5: http://www.dnsdynamic.org/
12:46 Jordach         or whatever the http thing requires
12:47 m5              ...
12:47 Krock           very poor DNS but..it works
12:47 m5              Krock, I have great DNS
12:47 Krock           dot.tk??
12:47 m5              And a hourly CRON job not some shitty update client
12:48 PenguinDad      m5: you could try http://duckdns.org
12:48 m5              ...
12:48 m5              I have DNS!
12:48 m5              freedns
12:48 m5              And a CRON job to update it
12:48 m5              using curl
12:48 m5              Every hour
12:48 SmugLeaf        m5: if apache is setup to use prefork it's going to be a pile of shit
12:49 SmugLeaf        use worker or event
12:49 m5              Well
12:50 m5              I seem to have killed the SSH daemon
12:50 SmugLeaf        nice
12:50 m5              If the machine wasn't 3 ft from me i'd be fucked
12:51 SmugLeaf        install monit
12:52 PenguinDad      Monit is a quite nice watchdog
12:53 * m5            doesn't know what a watchdog is
12:53 nman3600        m5: I've got so much dirt and cobble on your server I want to sell it for money will you buy it?
12:53 m5              Maybe
12:53 nman3600        Hi
12:54 m5              :)
12:54 m5              Just enabling root login without password now
12:54 PenguinDad      !g watchdoge wikipedia
12:54 MinetestBot     PenguinDad: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/26mrg0/watchdoge/
12:54 m5              :P
12:54 PenguinDad      !g watchdog wikipedia
12:54 MinetestBot     PenguinDad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog
12:54 nman3600        2 whole large bags for of dirt and 2 whole larg bags full of cobble
12:54 PenguinDad      ^ there m5
12:55 m5              I get it sorta now
12:55 m5              Nah
12:55 nman3600        !rev PenguinDad
12:55 MinetestBot     daDniugneP
12:55 m5              I have the physical machine here
12:55 nore            RealBadAngel, why max. 5 waypoints? Couldn't you add several waypoints pages?
12:55 nman3600        !rev m5 doesn't know what a watchdog is
12:55 MinetestBot     si godhctaw a tahw wonk t'nseod 5m
12:55 Krock           * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_timer
12:56 PenguinDad      !rev gotcha
12:56 MinetestBot     ahctog
12:56 m5              sftp == SSH?
12:56 SmugLeaf        yes
12:56 SmugLeaf        ftp over ssh
12:56 m5              Okay
12:56 m5              Well great!
12:56 m5              Okay nman
12:56 SmugLeaf        but it's not exactly ftp, so your client needs specific support
12:57 RealBadAngel    nore, such number just fit the page ;)
12:57 m5              How is SCP different/
12:57 nore            <nore>  Couldn't you add several waypoints pages?
12:57 SmugLeaf        scp is fire at a time
12:57 SmugLeaf        file*
12:58 RealBadAngel    nore, will try to add some more in an elegant way
12:58 RealBadAngel    nore, atm im preparing commit that adds tooltips for buttons/labels/image_buttons
12:58 nore            that's possible??
12:58 nore            (or you mean, an engine commit?)
13:01 RealBadAngel    engine patch ofc
13:09 * sfan5         meows at RealBadAngel
13:27 Jordach         hey kaeza
13:27 kaeza           mornings
13:27 Krock           afternoons
13:29 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:29 m5              nman3600, try 81.135.42.194
13:30 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:30 Krock           I can compile on windows
13:30 nman3600        m5: nope
13:30 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:31 Krock           Minetest works on android, mac, win32, win64 and linux
13:31 m5              :(
13:31 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:31 Krock           Sakis25, I'm not a great help with win32 compiling - I can't even add sound
13:31 Krock           sapier compiled android things
13:31 Krock           I think he has a special fork for it
13:32 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:32 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:32 Krock           sure
13:32 Krock           the source codes are editable
13:32 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:33 Krock           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9389
13:33 Krock           o.o kaeza quit (Disconnected by services)
13:33 Krock           awww
13:33 Krock           - Erroneous Nickname (services)
13:33 kaeza           ?
13:33 Krock           ./nick services doesn't work
13:34 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:34 Krock           Shttps://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
13:34 PenguinDad      Sakis25: (sub-)games for android are the same as games for standard minetest
13:34 Krock           -S
13:34 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:35 Krock           o.o
13:35 Sokomine        duckdns does not seem to allow to create accounts. at least i could find no way
13:35 ligeti          I wonder why mapgen v7 doesn't look better than v6! (lots of work to do)
13:36 Krock           v7 looks better
13:36 jin_xi          its not finished
13:36 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:36 PenguinDad      Sakis25: yes
13:36 Krock           v7 is very nice if using a mod to extennd it
13:36 ligeti          I see...
13:36 Krock           Sakis25, if it's the newest git, then no.
13:36 Krock           it wil only insall "minimal"
13:37 Krock           *install
13:37 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:37 Sokomine        sakis25: yes, the apk comes with a minetest-game
13:37 jin_xi          dont use v7 yet, or never complain if your worlds get weird if it changes
13:37 Krock           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7366
13:37 Krock           ^v7
13:37 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:37 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:37 Sokomine        sakis25: talk to sapier. he might explain to you how that can be achieved
13:38 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:38 Krock           uh nice. I got my own minetest_game, too xD
13:38 Krock           #minetest-dev
13:38 Krock           maybe you can find him here
13:39 PenguinDad      Krock: Sakis25 can't talk in #minetest-dev
13:39 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:39 Krock           PenguinDad, y not?
13:39 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:39 PenguinDad      Krock: webchat is muted
13:39 Krock           aaah
13:39 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:40 Krock           Sakis25,you're using Windows 7, chrome 35
13:40 Krock           ho ho ho
13:40 ligeti          brb
13:40 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:40 Krock           chrome is baad
13:40 Krock           0xBADC00D
13:41 Krock           0xBADC0DE *
13:41 Krock           http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
13:41 Sokomine        sakis25: just try /msg sapier hi   - either he'll be there or not. you might also leave a message on the forum
13:41 Krock           ^beats chrome
13:41 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:41 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:41 Krock           too small??!?
13:42 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:42 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:42 Krock           ehem
13:42 jin_xi          there is a gui scale option
13:42 Krock           plz read the topic
13:42 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:42 Krock           you need to scale it first
13:43 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:43 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:43 Krock           ^
13:43 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:44 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:44 LemonLake       I feel like I broke my ribs or somethin
13:45 LemonLake       Fun fact: Google keyboards don't have a backspace key.
13:45 * Krock         gives LemonLake a system restore tool
13:45 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:45 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:45 LemonLake       gui_scaling in minetest.conf
13:45 LemonLake       default is 1 iirc
13:45 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:46 LemonLake       yep
13:46 LemonLake       I had the same issue
13:46 LemonLake       gui_scaling in minetest.conf, not gui_scale
13:46 LemonLake       game mustn't be running either
13:46 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:46 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:46 Krock           check minetest folder?
13:46 LemonLake       Usually in a Minetest directory in your home folder.
13:46 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:46 LemonLake       Try getting something like ES File Browser to actually see it
13:46 Sokomine        sakis25: edit the minetest.conf  and set gui_scaling = 0.6    or something like that
13:47 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:47 LemonLake       It will be.
13:47 Krock           create it
13:47 LemonLake       You need to look in the minetest folder
13:48 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake       Create it, then
13:48 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake       umm
13:48 LemonLake       no
13:48 LemonLake       Android/Minetest
13:48 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake       it has its own folder
13:48 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake       Yep
13:48 Krock           no
13:48 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:48 LemonLake       Somewhere in your device there will be a folder named 'Minetest'
13:48 Krock           Yep
13:48 LemonLake       Not org.minetest
13:48 LemonLake       Just Minetest
13:49 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:49 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:49 LemonLake       In your home directory, usually.
13:49 LemonLake       Just turning on my phone now
13:49 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:50 LemonLake       sdcard/Minetest
13:50 LemonLake       that's mine
13:51 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:51 Sakis25         [deleted]
13:53 Sakis25         [deleted]
14:03 nore            RealBadAngel, what does the water_surface shader do?
14:04 RealBadAngel    by now its just a copy of nodes shader
14:04 nore            and what will it do?
14:04 RealBadAngel    but in engine its assigned just for water top tile
14:04 RealBadAngel    so modifing it will affect only this tile
14:05 RealBadAngel    what could it do? reflections, bumped waves surface etc
14:06 RealBadAngel    same way there gonna be a shader for lava
14:06 Krock           *liquid*
14:06 RealBadAngel    not liquid in general, those very tiles only
14:07 RealBadAngel    water surface and lava surface in the future
14:07 Megaf           Hi everyone, how do we read the server uptime in /status?
14:07 Megaf           is that seconds?
14:07 Krock           max_lag is seconds
14:07 Krock           uptime is deconds
14:07 Krock           *seconds
14:08 Krock           kaeza has a bad connection today
14:08 Megaf           !c 221940 / 60
14:08 MinetestBot     3699
14:08 Megaf           !c 3699 / 60
14:08 MinetestBot       61
14:08 Krock           hours
14:08 Megaf           !c 61 / 24
14:08 MinetestBot        2
14:08 Krock           !c 221940.0 / 60.0
14:08 MinetestBot     3699.0
14:08 RealBadAngel    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hubBBzh_190
14:08 RealBadAngel    this is water surface shader
14:08 Krock           !c 3699.0 / 60.0
14:08 MinetestBot       61.65
14:09 Krock           !c 61.65 / 24.0
14:09 MinetestBot        2.56875
14:09 Krock           ^
14:09 Krock           Megaf ^
14:09 Megaf           Ok
14:25 nman3600        !c 1 + 1
14:25 MinetestBot        2
14:25 nman3600        thanks
14:26 nman3600        If you circular saw dirt blocks will the dirt turn into grass after  a while?
14:27 Jordach         nman3600, nope
14:27 LemonLake       Jordach: can you not get grass blocks in your inventory anyhow?
14:28 nman3600        Jordach, It should be possible
14:28 nman3600        In survival mode
14:32 Krock           <3 The Les Humphries singers with "Mexico" in the radio!
14:32 nman3600        Krock, Can you remove a box for me on your server, the wrench isn't working
14:32 Krock           a simple box isn't that spamy/trolly/annoying
14:32 LemonLake       its kinda floating, you see
14:32 LemonLake       and in the way
14:33 Krock           uuuh floating boxes
14:33 * Jordach       feels like starting a Scrabble Tournament
14:33 Krock           gimme some CPU power and I'll clean that faster
14:34 * nman3600      gives Krock some CPU power
14:38 nman3600        Krock has stopped responding lol
14:38 Krock           I keep sending a "PING" all 60s
14:39 Krock           so... I still respond
14:39 ShadowNinja     VanessaE: sapier broke HUD IDs, so mods fight each other for the same ID.  Have the bug really fixed in the engine.
14:40 nman3600        Krock, We urgantly need you to help us remove the box pls
14:41 Krock           omg end of the world...a floating box
14:41 LemonLake       It's RIGHT in the way of our build
14:41 LemonLake       and no it's not floating anymore
14:41 Krock           gimme mor CPU power
14:41 LemonLake       Go buy it yourself
14:42 Krock           soon (TM)
15:07 whiskers75      Krock: pls
15:07 whiskers75      Krock: soonâ„¢
15:07 Krock           soonâ„¢
15:07 Krock           now™ I©® compiled minetest with sound!!!
15:07 Krock           woo
15:07 LemonLake       Yay!
15:08 Krock           but I'm too lazy to upload all again
15:08 LemonLake       lol
15:08 nman3600        Krock can you restart?
15:08 nman3600        the server
15:08 Krock           eye, eye.sir
15:09 nman3600        Thanks
15:11 whiskers75      Krockâ„
15:11 Krock           I see a square
15:11 Krock           maybe don't have that keyset
15:13 Krock           omg
15:13 Krock           with sound enabled,it takes one minute longer to compile
15:14 * sfan5         meows at Krock
15:14 * Krock         meows at sfan5 for buildbot
15:14 * whiskers75    meows at sfan5
15:14 * Krock         had an other package of openal
15:14 * Krock         always wondered, why it didn't work
15:14 * whiskers75    throws adultcatfinder.com at sfan5
15:15 * PenguinDad    doesn't get why there are 5 people doing builds for windows
15:15 * sfan5         throws https://mediacru.sh/0QFT9vYVl0X at whiskers75
15:16 * whiskers75    throws a 404 at sfan5
15:16 * sfan5         throws https://mediacru.sh/0QFT9vYVl0XN at whiskers75
15:16 * whiskers75    doesn't bother to listen
15:16 * whiskers75    vomits out sfan5
15:16 * sfan5         purrs at whiskers75
15:18 PenguinDad      Krock: if you want very light builds use -Os
15:20 * Krock         compiled and executed: print(sfan5.MoveSticky(&Pilz%Adam__win32_Builds, &Krock_win32_Builds).ToString())
15:20 Krock           PenguinDad, huh?
15:20 sfan5           RealBadAngel: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/6c98fd6658fcf7c0c676ee88f03e364c852e9f1b#commitcomment-6672665
15:20 sfan5           Krock: parse error at %
15:20 Krock           s/%/
15:21 sfan5           sed: -e expression #1, char 4: unterminated `s' command
15:21 Krock           error: Unknown command 'sed'
15:24 PenguinDad      Krock: get a better os then
15:24 Krock            406
15:25 PenguinDad       418
15:25 Krock            200
15:27 PenguinDad       451
15:27 Krock           303 megaupload.com
15:30 whiskers75       500
15:30 PenguinDad       400
15:30 Krock            403
15:30 whiskers75      http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/100
15:31 PenguinDad       402
15:31 whiskers75      httpcats.herokuapp.com/406
15:31 Krock            100
15:31 nman3600        !title
15:31 MinetestBot     nman3600: Document isn't HTML
15:31 whiskers75      http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/406
15:32 whiskers75      !title
15:32 MinetestBot     whiskers75: Document isn't HTML
15:32 nman3600        lol
15:32 whiskers75      !title httpcats.herokuapp.com/406
15:32 MinetestBot     whiskers75: Document isn't HTML
15:32 whiskers75      oh
15:32 whiskers75      it's an image
15:32 Krock           image
15:32 Krock           !!
15:32 whiskers75      http://adultcatfinder.com/
15:32 whiskers75      !title
15:32 MinetestBot     whiskers75: Adult Cat Finder
15:32 m5              My irc has just been DDoSed
15:32 Krock           trololo
15:32 whiskers75      m5: wat
15:32 m5              So many fucking hosts
15:32 m5              How???
15:33 whiskers75      m5: what?
15:33 Krock           LemonLake
15:33 whiskers75      LemonLake?
15:33 * m5            pastes
15:33 m5              http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Uv9QW1VW
15:34 whiskers75      m5: o
15:34 whiskers75      m5: botnet?
15:34 Krock           LemonLake!
15:34 Eater4          !title
15:34 MinetestBot     Eater4: Document isn't HTML
15:34 m5              http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gwg7RSL0
15:34 whiskers75      Krock: what's LemonLake?
15:34 Eater4          !title
15:34 MinetestBot     Eater4: Document isn't HTML
15:34 Krock           user
15:35 whiskers75      Krock: who's LemonLake?
15:35 whiskers75      m5: you're running an ircd?
15:35 whiskers75      why?
15:35 Krock           someone who already trololo'd zsol's irc network
15:35 m5              It's so fun
15:35 whiskers75      m5: how many users?
15:35 m5              If someone here ddos'd me...
15:35 whiskers75      I used to run an ircd
15:35 m5              do it again
15:36 whiskers75      but it became pointless
15:36 m5              4 legit ones
15:36 whiskers75      m5: if it didn't go down, it's not a DoS
15:36 sfan5           whiskers75: pls no spam,
15:36 whiskers75      sfan5: pls
15:36 m5              So what was that?
15:36 whiskers75      m5: a flood of users
15:36 sfan5           meow
15:36 m5              How?
15:36 whiskers75      a denial of service denies service
15:36 LemonLake       hello
15:37 whiskers75      LemonLake: apparently you killed m5?
15:37 Krock           <whiskers75>m5: if it didn't go down, it's not a DoS
15:37 Krock           it's DDoS
15:37 m5              AN attempt anyway
15:37 m5              Look at the many hosts
15:37 whiskers75      Krock: ಠ_à²
15:37 m5              Must be DDoS
15:37 whiskers75      Krock: DDoS is a type of DoS
15:38 whiskers75      m5: it's not made to take your irc net down, I don't think
15:38 whiskers75      it's just a troll
15:38 m5              Well it was funny
15:38 m5              I want it to go again
15:38 m5              Everyone, ping Krock
15:38 whiskers75      m5: what ircd are you running?
15:38 m5              inspircd
15:39 Krock           pong
15:39 whiskers75      m5: does it have TS6 link support?
15:39 m5              It's a strange reply
15:39 m5              yes
15:39 duke            o.o
15:39 m5              SpanningTree protocol
15:39 Krock           x.x
15:40 RealBadAngel    sfan5, what about this commit?
15:51 nman3600        Krock, 3 people on your server (me lemonlake and rhys) want item frames put on your sevrer please?
15:51 nman3600        server*
15:51 Krock           they're not needed
15:59 nman3600        Krock, Item frames can be used to show what's in a chest, shop, warehouse etc.
15:59 Krock           I know that mod
16:02 nman3600        You can use a screwdriver on doors!
16:02 LemonLake       duh
16:02 LemonLake       you can use a screwdriver on everything
16:02 LemonLake       no surprise
16:03 ecutruin        Heyo all.
16:04 OldCoder        nman3600, Hi
16:14 nman3600        OldCoder, Hello
16:15 OldCoder        nman3600, Hi. If you and m5 will discuss the mod issue I will be quite pleased to update.
16:16 nman3600        well i'm unable to do a direct download but i've update the download link (apparently i didn't update it) and it'll work now :)
16:17 Krock           00,00t01,01e02,02s03,03t04,04i05,05n06,06g07,07!
16:18 nman3600        lol it says testing
16:18 nman3600        how'd ya do that? Krock
16:18 Krock           magic
16:18 nman3600        Also can i have a link to the skins mod on your server
16:19 PenguinDad      05,10P04,08r07,08i08,04s03,08m 09,08i10,09s 11,09M02,06a12,06g06,03i13,03c05,03!
16:19 nman3600        Krock? can i
16:20 Krock           it's called u_skins
16:20 Krock           .._db
16:20 nman3600        my Zeg9?
16:20 nman3600        by*
16:20 Krock           no
16:20 Krock           that's not unified
16:20 Krock           ./mods
16:22 nman3600        Ahh dmonty's one Krock?
16:22 Krock           yes.
16:22 nman3600        K thnx
16:22 nman3600        Time to upload my skin
16:23 nman3600        What license shall i use Krock
16:24 Krock           not wtfpl
16:24 nman3600        CC BY-SA 3.0?
16:25 PenguinDad      nman3600: Why not CC BY-SA 4.0ß
16:25 PenguinDad      s/ß/?/
16:25 nman3600        K i'll do that one then PenguinDad
16:26 Eater4          🌈
16:26 PenguinDad
16:26 PenguinDad      ^ Eater4
16:26 Eater4          I did not see that
16:26 Eater4
16:26 nman3600        Ahh i failed my skin so much and i can't remove it
16:27 Krock           F7
16:27 nman3600        ?
16:52 Calinou         3.0 is more compatible with other projects, but using 4.0 is still a better idea
16:52 Calinou         both are free
16:58 m5              Hi
17:01 rubenwardy      Hi all
17:04 Calinou         hi
17:04 liljnc3         hi
17:05 rubenwardy      How does the installation process work on Linux?
17:05 liljnc3         yaya
17:05 liljnc3         idk
17:05 rubenwardy      How could I add support for a C++ program to be installed and appear in the applications list? Ubuntu
17:06 SylvieLorxu     rubenwardy: Ubuntu is Debian-based, so you should provide a .deb file
17:06 liljnc3         you cant do that from a ipad you need a laptop
17:06 liljnc3         lol
17:06 SylvieLorxu     http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html <- May help, no clue
17:07 SylvieLorxu     I never did it myself :P
17:08 liljnc3         do you know how to make a minetest server
17:08 liljnc3         ?
17:08 rubenwardy      minetest --server --worldname world
17:09 rubenwardy      for windows, create a file like this in bin:   (run_server.bat)             minetest.exe --server --worldname world
17:09 liljnc3         i mean to put on the server list
17:09 rubenwardy      announce_server = true
17:09 m5              server_announce
17:10 liljnc3         ok?
17:10 liljnc3         hi
17:11 Megaf           rubenwardy; https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging
17:11 Krock           !help
17:11 MinetestBot     https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
17:12 Krock           @echo off | :crash | <minetest server> | goto crash
17:15 liljnc3         so i do annouce_jojo jojo=true
17:16 sfan5           liljnc3: no, you do announce_server=true
17:17 Krock           LOL
17:17 rubenwardy      it is server_announce = 0
17:17 rubenwardy      * server_announce = true
17:17 liljnc3         ok what do i do for server
17:17 rubenwardy      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L256
17:17 rubenwardy      liljnc3: see this section https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L248-L256
17:17 sfan5           liljnc3: if you want to set the server name use server_name = <your name>
17:18 rubenwardy      !up game.minetest.net
17:18 MinetestBot     game.minetest.net:30000 seems to be down
17:18 Krock           btw, does it matter if I write 1 or true | 0 or false in the settings?
17:18 sfan5           Krock: no
17:18 Krock           okay thanks, sfan5
17:18 liljnc3         ok
17:18 liljnc3         ?
17:19 liljnc3         i still dont get it
17:19 liljnc3         ps hi
17:19 rubenwardy      You add those lines to minetest.conf
17:19 rubenwardy      use notepad or notepad++
17:19 liljnc3         ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
17:19 rubenwardy      remember to remove the # before the sentences that are settings
17:20 rubenwardy      Have you port forwarded?
17:23 Krock           (You may notice, this notice is not worth noticing)
17:24 m5              * Ping reply from CraigyDavi: 0.047 second(s)
17:24 Krock           liljnc3, it's easy. Just start minetest, select the "Server" tab and start your world!
17:24 sfan5           Krock: this is not how you are supposed to make a server
17:25 * Krock         lowered the niveau and said the best possible
17:28 liljnc3         hi
17:29 liljnc3         use this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8924
17:30 liljnc3         Craigy?
17:30 liljnc3         ??????
17:30 CraigyDavi      Hi liljnc3
17:30 liljnc3         i still cant get on your server
17:31 liljnc3         i use 0.4.9
17:31 liljnc3         and on a pc
17:33 MinetestBot     GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Minor stability improvements in block emerge handling 9d57413af0 2014-06-15T18:18:57+02:00 http://git.io/JL4iqQ
17:34 liljnc3         ?
17:34 liljnc3         what dose that mean
17:37 liljnc3         hi
17:48 Calinou         New mese ore texture, improved tin lump texture, tweaked ore generation, added more digging groups to tools.
17:49 * sfan5         meows at Calinou
17:52 Megaf           Calinou; where? In minetest_game?
17:52 Megaf           or on your game
17:53 sfan5           liljnc3: http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server
17:54 Calinou         Megaf, in Carbone of course, I don't have commit access to minetest_game and it's frozen
17:55 Calinou         you can dig leaves much faster using swords now, but they lose durability; you can use pickaxes as slower shovels (eg. stone pick digs as fast as wood shovel, with same durability loss for stone and for dirt)
17:55 CraigyDavi      Is there a config value to set how far players can reach?
17:56 PenguinDad      CraigyDavi: yes and no
17:57 Calinou         wooden pickaxes can now dig furnaces and nyan cats too
17:57 Calinou         CraigyDavi, mods/default/tools.lua
17:57 Calinou         the range can be defined for any node or item, it'll be used when the node or item is in hand
17:57 Calinou         avoid ranges > 12, these glitch
17:57 CraigyDavi      Where is that set in tools?
17:57 Calinou         default in minetest_game is 4, 5 in Carbone
17:57 Calinou         range = n
17:58 Calinou         where n is range, in the tool definition
17:58 Calinou         eg. put this in line 8 of tools.lua: 	range = 5,
17:58 Krock           distance 5 is unrealistic
17:59 Krock           2 would be much better
17:59 Calinou         so is 4
17:59 Krock           :P
17:59 Calinou         the only realistic distance would be 1
17:59 Krock           0.5 if broken leg
17:59 Calinou         Minetest isn't about realism and it's about not being boring to play either
17:59 Calinou         it's annoying to walk constantly to reach stuff, that's why it's 5 in Carbone
17:59 CraigyDavi      Calinou, is that in the wieldhand tool capabilties?
17:59 Calinou         (it doesn't feel that long actually)
18:00 Calinou         yes
18:00 Calinou         the wieldhand definition changes the definitions of all items that don't set their own
18:00 Calinou         eg. wooden pick has no range, so it'll use the range of the wieldhand
18:00 CraigyDavi      Thanks! I'll try that
18:00 Calinou         all items and nodes inherit from : (the hand) :)
18:01 Krock           but : is just because : gets removed
18:01 Krock           * just   bec
18:03 CraigyDavi      Calinou, It didn't work, does it not work on servers?
18:06 Calinou         it's client-side
18:06 Calinou         are you using a Git client?
18:06 Calinou         I think it's in 0.4.9 but I'm not sure, so you should probably use a recent build or Git
18:06 Calinou         did you restart the server? ;)
18:07 CraigyDavi      Yes, restarted the server, added to tool capabilities in the hand and using a fairly recent git.
18:10 PenguinDad      CraigyDavi: it's not in tool capabilities
18:10 CraigyDavi      Ah I see, Ill try again with moving it out of tool capabilities
18:13 Calinou         it's in the definition but outside of tool caps
18:15 PenguinDad      Ice caves https://mediacru.sh/EQel36L1Xy7k
18:16 Enke            PenguinDad: Neat!
18:24 nman3600        Krock, Can you restar the server please?
18:25 nman3600        it's super laggy
18:25 Krock           tell that core devs
18:25 nman3600        It timed out anyway
18:25 LemonLake       its fine it crashed anyway
18:26 LemonLake       omfg
18:26 LemonLake       it went back like half an hour
18:26 liljnc3         yaya
18:26 liljnc3         NO LAGGGGGGG
18:26 liljnc3         for me
18:27 nman3600        liljnc3, There's no swearing allowed on that server that's why i kicked you
18:28 Krock           irc.inchra.net #minetest please
18:28 liljnc3         ok sorry people kept killing me so i said that ok?
18:29 nman3600        Krock why?
18:29 Krock           this channel here does belong to server dicussions
18:31 Calinou         PenguinDad, the ice texture in default is not so good
18:31 Calinou         feels like a game from the 80s
18:34 Enke            Calinou: Any ideas on how to fix it?
18:34 Enke            Without translucency support, it's kinda hard to get one right.
18:37 Calinou         get stone texture, recolour it :P
18:37 Calinou         even while keeping it opaque, it'll look better
18:38 Calinou         https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ud2KsHzdbd51.png
18:38 Calinou         Carbone's ice made opaque, for example
18:39 Calinou         ice is supposed to be quite smooth
18:39 Enke            Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
18:40 Enke            I wonder if....
18:40 Jordach         hello ecutruin
18:41 ecutruin        Heyo Jordach.  How goes?
18:41 Jordach         ecutruin, not baD
18:41 LemonLake       ice is actually white
18:41 Jordach         derp (i keep getting worse at typing)
18:41 LemonLake       if not a little green or gray
18:41 LemonLake       no idea where blue came from
18:41 Enke            Calinou: here's the one we used for Gitpack. https://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minetest/blob/master/default_ice.png
18:42 LemonLake       thats more like icey snow but its better
18:46 Calinou         <LemonLake> ice is actually white
18:46 Calinou         yeah, but it would look similar to snow, probably
18:46 LemonLake       aight fellas gnight
18:47 * Jordach       prefers blueish ice
18:47 * sfan5         meows at Jordach
18:47 Jordach         and with Raytracing - i can prove why
18:49 ecutruin        Jordach, is there any way in MT to determine where on a block you clicked? (aka.. could I detect that you clicked on a specific part of a block, versus another specific part).
18:50 Calinou         I highly doubt it
18:50 kaeza           ecutruin, jin_xi's paintings mod has a function to detect where you clicked in the painting IIRC
18:51 jin_xi          its for an entity idk do nodes have on punch? then it should be possible
18:51 ecutruin        Ooh.  Awesome, kaeza, do you happen to have a link to the git off hand (or forum thread).. if not, I'll hunt it down.
18:51 kaeza           jin_xi, they do
18:52 jin_xi          still, you dont know which face got hit
18:52 jin_xi          https://github.com/obneq/painting/blob/master/init.lua#L426
18:53 jin_xi          above works because its a 2d thing with known orientation
18:55 * ecutruin      hrms.
18:56 ecutruin        I can detect when I click on entities though, no matter their position/rotation?
18:56 jin_xi          sure
18:57 jin_xi          for nodes, you might be able to use node and playerpos and lookdir to figure out which face of the node was hit
18:57 jin_xi          and from there which part of said face
18:58 ecutruin        Essentially what I'm wanting to do is have something akin to Multipart from Minecraft.
18:58 ecutruin        I'm thinking entities are the way to go.. but, that feels like it'd end up being a metric ton of them in world.. and I'm not sure how resource efficient they are in MT.
18:59 jin_xi          they are not
19:00 ecutruin        Hrm.  I may be stuck with only using the multipart concept for my crafting.. and using more limited blocks otherwise.
19:01 jin_xi          multipart looks nice
19:01 Krock           mulitpart? huh?
19:01 ecutruin        CB is quite the crazy genius when it comes to coding.
19:02 ecutruin        Krock, I'm a mod designer from the Minecraft community, looking at making a switch to MT. :3
19:02 Krock           ecutruin, okay. your level will drop because lua is much easier than java
19:04 Jordach         ecutruin, with Lua, you can actually attempt at making your mod framework
19:04 Jordach         rather than: 1) program java, 2) compile 3) replace binaries
19:05 Jordach         and repeat
19:06 ecutruin        Jordach, language doesn't actually matter all that much.  The primary difference is that the LUA bridge of MT is designed around the concept of making content.  So it hides away things you really don't need to focus on in the backend C side, and instead gives you a nice platform to work from.
19:06 ecutruin        People keep giving Java grief, but honestly, its not a bad language at all...even for programming games in.
19:07 ecutruin        The issue is that MC is not even remotely optimized, and its definitely not currently coded with third-party content creation in mind.
19:07 ecutruin        Kronk, I have no idea what you mean by 'my level will drop'...
19:08 Jordach         +1 for Kronk
19:08 Krock           "Registered users: Bing [Bot], Exabot [Bot], Google [Bot], Majestic-12 [Bot], YaCy [Bot]"
19:08 Krock           -1 for Kronk
19:09 jin_xi          for something like that dynamic nodedef or what it was called is needed
19:09 kaeza           +1 for Kronk http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/77/1130380-left.jpg
19:09 Krock           "The primary difference is that the LUA bridge of MT is designed around the concept of making content." https://github.com/mniip/LUA
19:10 m5              How do I block ALL CAPS names from entering?
19:10 Krock           +1 for kaeza
19:10 Kronk           NickServ: This nickname is registered
19:10 Kronk           fuuu
19:11 kaeza           m5, minetest.register_on_prejoinplayer(function(name) if name:match("[A-Z]+") then return "Nope!" end end)
19:11 Krock           I know kronk! that crazy dude from cuzco
19:11 m5              Thanks
19:12 jin_xi          >_>
19:13 kaeza           <_<
19:13 m5              http://pastie.org/9292857 Like this?
19:14 kaeza           probably
19:16 ecutruin        lol.
19:17 ecutruin        Krock, sorry for the name garble.  Point still stands, I still have no idea what you meant. xD
19:17 Krock           nvm
19:18 Calinou         <jin_xi> they are not
19:19 Calinou         I can have 999 rats with 40 FPS and no big server lag
19:19 Calinou         these are quite dynamic entities, physical
19:19 Calinou         but entities should never be used for static block-like things
19:19 ecutruin        Calinou, yet...that's exactly what I need them for..
19:20 jin_xi          some more dynamic nodes would be very nice
19:21 jin_xi          possible to change textures, or nodeboxes even
19:21 kaeza           meta_set_nodedef
19:21 jin_xi          thats the name
19:23 Mallot1_        hey guyas
19:43 ecutruin        kaeza, would setting notedefs allow for altering the physical shape and appearance of nodes dynamically through code?  If so, yeah.. that shoule solve a lot of the issues. ^-^;
19:44 Mallot1         ^.^
19:44 ecutruin        should*
19:45 Mallot1_        will
19:46 ecutruin        I say 'should' because there may be other forseen issues I've not considered with implementing what I wish to implement.
19:46 Mallot1_        yea i know i was jking
19:47 Mallot1_        so hows fathers day for you guys
19:48 ecutruin        I mean, cause essentially what I need is a system in which I could have a 3D stick object, place it in-world.. place a 3D stone object next to it (in the same block), and then use a vine on them to create a 3D hammer object that now sits where they were, that I can then pickup.
19:51 ecutruin        Now, of course, I could do that right now with entities.. but what if I want to use the stones for decorations and leave them all over the place?
19:51 ecutruin        Tons of static entities to keep track of.
19:53 Jordach         TIL kaeza wears a beanie
19:55 PenguinDad      TIL TIL could also mean "this is life"
20:12 Calinou         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&start=2200#p145015
20:12 Calinou         I have full diamond stuff on Just test
20:12 Calinou         no apples though :s
20:19 Calinou         remade first post: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9033
20:19 Calinou         night
20:21 Calinou         by the way, anyone has an interesting “item frame” mod? if so, send me a memo (/ms send Calinou link-to-mod) or forum PM, thanks in advance
20:22 kaeza           Jordach, http://i.imgur.com/qN4blC0.jpg
20:22 Jordach         kaeza, u has headset
20:23 * Jordach       discovered that it's possible to do some amazing shit with auto-generated bumpmapping in Blener
20:24 kaeza           +d
20:27 Jordach         https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vXsT6bmDPYH5.png
20:27 kaeza           noice
20:27 Jordach         it seems to work in 2.71 beta stuff
20:28 kaeza           byyyyyyy the way
20:28 Jordach         2.71 test builds and release notes available :)
20:28 Jordach         yus?
20:28 kaeza           have you thought about adding an animated chest to BFD
20:28 kaeza           +?
20:28 Jordach         nope.avi
20:28 Jordach         https://cdn.mediacru.sh/-lMKuLd-O5hO.jpg
20:28 Jordach         kaeza, meshnodes pl0x
20:29 Jordach         which RealBadAngel should be poking me for a mesh
20:29 kaeza           animated chests are doable with entities :|
20:29 kaeza           nice photo
20:29 Jordach         yeah. but not properly
20:31 Jordach         or as i'd like
20:31 kaeza           just provide some proper mesh and I'll make teh codez
20:31 Jordach         kaeza, interesting factoid: my generation 1-7 stuff is availible in a folder on drop-the-bass-box
20:31 Jordach         with proper original files + uv maps
20:32 Jordach         https://www.dropbox.com/sh/16wflwfdvbs8xu3/AADei8AH2Hxsxw5eDFY8uqZva
20:33 * kaeza         downloads random files from there
20:33 Jordach         kaeza, if i'm working on a secret blend; it isn't uploaded despite BEING STORED THERE
20:34 Jordach         and there's two of them :3
20:34 Jordach         https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eYrKxehxtgvx.png
20:39 Jordach         nearly 60 pages of MediaCrush history :)
20:58 PilzAdam        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1346#issuecomment-46117865 Taoki, rm -rf src/* -> performance increase: over 9000
20:59 Taoki           heh
21:00 PilzAdam        sfan5, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1375#issuecomment-46121984 "You did not tell me not to distribute it." thats not how copyright works
21:01 PilzAdam        Taoki, also please don't ping me without saying anything relevant
21:01 Taoki           PilzAdam: Ok. Wanted to ask you about something and was making sure you're around first
21:01 Taoki           will keep in mind
21:02 PilzAdam        does the existence of the question depend on me being around?
21:03 PilzAdam        if not then you could have just asked it and I could answer you faster
21:03 Taoki           Yeah, true too. Well,
21:04 Taoki           I'm thinking of making a little fork of minetest_game and some mods of my own. I want to include the original mobf you made in it, possibly with slightly modified mobs but the same code. However, I'd like it if they could have the damage and death sounds. Are you willing to still include these?
21:04 Taoki           I have in the Creatures mod, so I can mention where myself
21:05 Taoki           It's just two play_sound lines
21:05 Taoki           It would make a bit more detail possible with the original mod. So if you wish, I can even make a pull request for it, or pastebin where to add the lines
21:06 PilzAdam        mobf is by sapier
21:06 Jordach         n00000000000000b
21:07 Taoki           erm, simplemobs, sorry >.<
21:07 PilzAdam        IIRC I already told you that a while ago
21:07 Jordach         >.>
21:07 Taoki           I think you told me about multiple sounds
21:07 PilzAdam        why don't you use the creatures mod?
21:07 Taoki           It's a very different thing, i won't include it in every game I make. I want to make more of a pack of good mods
21:08 Taoki           But with original code if possible
21:09 Taoki           So a pull request for that wouldn't be ok for your version?
21:10 PilzAdam        what does that mean?
21:13 Taoki           PilzAdam: If I add those sound triggers to your code and make a pull request, will you accept it? I know the mod is frozen, but I was wondering is a small correction like that is still fine\
21:14 PilzAdam        what does "frozen" mean?
21:14 PilzAdam        Im just not working on it currently
21:14 Taoki           Yeah, I guess I understood that as a feature freeze
21:15 Taoki           And wasn't sure if working on it applies to small things or pull requests
21:20 Taoki           Guess I'll make the pull request when I get around to it, and we'll see then
21:27 * VanessaE      peeks in.
21:41 * twoelk        peeks out
21:52 * Jordach       pokes VanessaE
21:55 VanessaE        ow.