Time Nick Message 00:31 WindHero hmm, implementing the pasture biome will be more interesting than I originally thought... 00:31 Vazon pasture biome is the same as a grassy biome, or am i mistaken? 00:31 WindHero ("interesting" meaning "more involved") 00:32 WindHero no, 00:32 WindHero I'm referring to Jordach's wheat fields from BFD 00:32 Vazon o ok 00:32 WindHero where every surface node it topped by one of five varieties of wheat grass 00:34 VanessaE pastures? surely not in moontest ;) 00:35 WindHero no, of course not 00:35 WindHero I'm working on skylands atm 00:35 VanessaE with THIS community, you never know :D 00:36 Vazon o well VanessaE i beieve you was wrong xD 00:36 WindHero I think that's a good thing.... in moderation 00:36 VanessaE Vazon: wrong about which part? 00:36 Vazon what the pasture is going into 00:36 VanessaE I said "surely not" :) 00:37 Vazon but with a ;) face.... this is just to confusing, first you say surely not then with that face, is giving me mixed thoughts 00:37 * WindHero headdesks 00:38 VanessaE heh 00:38 WindHero in any case, idek why I'm looking over pastures when I haven't even added in the biomes I'm "borrowing" from watershed 00:38 * VanessaE confuses Vazon some more, just for spite :) 00:38 WindHero rofl 00:39 * Vazon trys to run for freedom before he gets to confused 00:39 WindHero grammer_nazi says: *too 00:39 * VanessaE opens and closes doors and windows randomly in Vazon's path :D 00:39 * WindHero puts the icing on the cake with mesecons traps 00:40 WindHero (primarily ghost stone) 00:40 * Vazon just stops moving so he doesnt step on WindHero's traps 00:41 * VanessaE hands WindHero some sticky movestones 00:41 WindHero arigato gozaimasu! 00:41 * WindHero uses moves stones to push Vazon into trapstone pit 00:41 * Vazon wonders if he accompished anything is his short life, and desides he hasn't. 00:42 WindHero (for those who don't know Japanese, I said "thank you very much!") 00:43 Vazon i wish i could speak another language besides english. 00:44 WindHero I only know a smidge of Japanese 00:44 WindHero what I know more of is Latin 00:44 VanessaE heh 00:45 WindHero omnes res in moderationem 00:45 VanessaE the only variant I know is "domo arigato" (from the song of course), and I haven't the foggiest clue how it *actually* translates. 00:45 WindHero *moderatione 00:45 WindHero "domo arigato" is "thank you very much" 00:45 WindHero I can swear in Japanese! :D 00:45 VanessaE oh ok, I assumed the song was not correct. 00:46 WindHero nah, two ways to say it 00:46 WindHero and probably more :P 00:46 VanessaE I can swear in a few other languages ;) 00:46 WindHero Apart from saying "no", the one thing I can do in the most languages is count to 3 00:47 WindHero Latin, German, Japanese, Spanish, English 01:00 FreeFull WindHero: What about domo arigato gozaimasu? 01:02 Megaf_ VanessaE: If theres nobody online the CPU use is around 1%, as soon as I join it maxes out a core 01:02 Megaf_ what it seems like is it uses a lot of CPU to send the world to players 01:04 VanessaE Megaf_: have you run top to see just WHAT is consuming the CPU? 01:04 VanessaE I mean, is it minetestserver, or is it in "system" time? 01:04 WindHero FreeFull: lol, idk. What Japanese I know I picked up from anime :P 01:05 Megaf_ VanessaE: Im using top to see that minetesetserver process is using CPU 01:05 Megaf_ iits usin TIME 4:22.60 01:05 Megaf_ using* 01:05 VanessaE ignore the time field 01:06 VanessaE how much of that CPU is "system" time in the summary at the top? 01:06 Megaf_ if I just stand still, not moving the camera, CPU usage drops to 20% 01:06 Megaf_ and theres no lag at all 01:07 Megaf_ then I start looking around and CPU use begins to rise 01:07 VanessaE wait, 01:08 VanessaE are you comparing minetestSERVER cpu or minetest NOT server??? 01:08 VanessaE because that behavior sounds a lot like client CPU usage. 01:08 Megaf_ VanessaE: Im always talking about the minetestserver process on the actual hardware its running 01:08 VanessaE ok 01:08 Megaf_ clients runs on a different computer 01:09 VanessaE so, again, how much of that CPU is "system" time in the summary at the top of the "top" display? 01:09 Megaf_ VanessaE: what it looks like is, minetesert server uses a lot of CPU to “send” world data to clients 01:10 Megaf_ VanessaE: 0.2 01:10 VanessaE 0.2%? 01:10 VanessaE when minetestserver is at 100%? 01:11 Megaf_ when walking around, loading map 01:11 Megaf_ and thats whn it lags 01:11 Megaf_ top shows CPU 70% idle 01:11 VanessaE them it isn't just loading the map, it's *generating* the map too 01:11 VanessaE then* 01:12 Megaf VanessaE: http://paste.debian.net/99388/ 01:12 Megaf I dont think so, since Im at spawn 01:13 Megaf maybe its just the exotic hardware 01:13 VanessaE give me a list of the mods that are loaded 01:13 VanessaE and what kind of hardware is this again? 01:13 Megaf maybe we are missusing the ARM architecture 01:13 Megaf VanessaE: 4 core ARM at 2,1 GHz 01:13 VanessaE eek 01:14 Megaf it boots Debian + XFCE 4 in only a couple of seconds 01:14 Megaf opens firefox and libreoffice in a couple of sencods too 01:14 Megaf seconds* 01:14 * VanessaE waits. 01:15 VanessaE /mods --> pastebin 01:15 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99389/ 01:15 Megaf VanessaE: I told you, I disabled all mods already and tried again 01:15 Megaf still same issue 01:15 VanessaE get rid of animated furnace, it's obsolete. 01:16 Vazon .... is there a way t ogrant everyone access to a small part of a claim in the areas mod? 01:16 VanessaE as for the rest all I can assume is a lag machine byway of mesecons. 01:16 WindHero Vazon, you would have to edit the init.lua file 01:16 VanessaE Vazon: yes, you can set the land to "open" somehow but I forget how that is done 01:17 WindHero I'd say set self_protection to true 01:17 Megaf hold on, let me plug a monitor and input devices on my odroid 01:17 Vazon ok thanks i want to make sure it maby possible before burring my nose in code ot find out it wasnt even possible 01:17 WindHero or whatever that variable at the start is 01:17 VanessaE the /area_open command does it 01:17 Vazon ok :D 01:21 Megaf_ now, where the heck I put my micro hdmi cable? 01:21 Megaf_ Ok, X over SSH it is 01:31 Megaf ok, VanessaE first thing I'm going to do is update the Kernel 01:32 VanessaE waste of time 01:32 zat Any ideas on how to make trees spawn more dispersely? 01:32 VanessaE focus on minetest first. 01:32 VanessaE zat: not sure 01:32 VanessaE Megaf_: find out what's slowing your server down first before fucking with the kernel 01:33 Megaf VanessaE: well, you said several times, either is my server slow or my exotic distro... 01:33 zat VanessaE: I am trying with the settings of the perlin noise, I can't still figure which controls that. 01:33 zat if any. 01:33 VanessaE Megaf_: or, you have a slow mod. a mesecons lag machine, I said. 01:38 Megaf VanessaE: how do I disable luajit with cmake? 01:39 VanessaE don't. 01:39 VanessaE you need that. 01:39 VanessaE without it, lua runs like 5-10x slower. 01:40 Megaf VanessaE: I was using luajit from luajits repos 01:40 Megaf not the bundled one 01:40 Megaf recompiling with the bundled one now 01:40 VanessaE besides, I don't think you can explicitly disable it 01:41 VanessaE the "bundled" one, unless it's been changed, is just plain old interpreted Lua 01:41 Megaf my cmake http://paste.debian.net/99390/ 01:42 Megaf I know theres a lot of uneeded things in my cmake line 01:42 Megaf I put them just in case now 01:42 VanessaE why are you disabling sound, redis, freetype, and gettext? this is a server, those shouldn't even be installed on that machine to begin with, and you're not even building the client anyway 01:42 VanessaE (well redis won't be used if it ain't installed) 01:42 Megaf just in case 01:43 VanessaE "just in case"? 01:43 VanessaE no. 01:43 VanessaE get rid of all of those options 01:43 zat Just in case would apply if you plan to play graphically with that installation of minetest. 01:44 VanessaE cmake . -DWARN_ALL=1 -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 01:44 VanessaE and without all that :BOOL= crap either 01:44 VanessaE (not that it matters, but it's redundant) 01:44 Megaf better? http://paste.debian.net/99390/ 01:44 VanessaE see above. 01:44 Megaf ok... 01:45 VanessaE let cmake do its job 01:45 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99392/ 01:46 Megaf I have redis and leveldb installed 01:46 Megaf but I dont want to use them 01:46 VanessaE they won't be used if you don't explicitly use them, but whatever 01:46 VanessaE now, rm CMakeCache.txt and run the cmake command again. 01:47 Megaf I know that... Usually I remove cache files 01:47 VanessaE ok 01:47 Megaf compiling 01:47 Megaf so good to see all 4 cores at 100% 01:49 VanessaE this is ARM you're dealing with, and only 2 GHz. this is NOT a fast processor. 01:49 VanessaE it's meant to be very low wattage 01:49 VanessaE like <5 watts for most usage I think 01:49 Megaf its not fast for general use 01:50 Megaf it would be great if minetest could use its instructions 01:51 VanessaE minetest is not designed for "not for general use" platforms. 01:51 VanessaE that's why you're having such a hard time with this. 01:52 zat Megaf, since your are compiling, isnt that supposed to make the software use the instructions? 01:52 Megaf VanessaE: girl, its wasnt slow, my server used to be really fast two weeks ago 01:52 Megaf or even a week ago 01:52 Megaf then it began to lag a lot 01:52 zat as long as you use the appropriate CC flags. 01:52 Megaf same map, same world, same mods 01:52 VanessaE you've been complaining about minetest's speed for weeks now, Megaf_ 01:53 Megaf VanessaE: actually for months, but thats another case 01:53 VanessaE well then "really fast" "even a week ago" doesn't make sense in the face of that. 01:53 VanessaE make up your mind. 01:54 Megaf zat: I'm not even sure if the kernel I'm using was properly compiled... 01:54 Megaf compile 01:54 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99393/ 01:54 Megaf 7 minutes to compile 01:55 zat I dont see how that means anything. 01:55 zat what does an uname -a says? 01:56 Megaf zat: I got a prebuilt system image 01:56 zat is it for arm? 01:56 Megaf so Im not sure what flags or options they used to compile the kernel 01:56 Megaf zat: yes... 01:57 zat then it is using the ARM instruction set. 01:58 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 01:58 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (783ms) 01:59 Megaf heh, my desktop is much faster than my arm board, no surprise here, http://paste.debian.net/99394/ 01:59 Megaf 6 times faster 02:21 Megaf VanessaE: I migrated my server to my desktop 02:21 VanessaE and? 02:21 Megaf there it uses up to 80% of the CPU 02:21 Megaf from 75 to 80% 02:21 Megaf when moving 02:21 Megaf and looking around 02:22 Megaf but little to no lag 02:22 VanessaE now as for mods, I still need to know what all is running 02:22 VanessaE and I don't mean ls ../mods 02:23 VanessaE I mean the output of the /mods command 02:23 VanessaE (that'll tell me the game content also) 02:24 Megaf hold on 02:24 VanessaE if you're getting huge CPU usage when you walk around, something in your game is tracking your position and reacting to it. 02:24 VanessaE (assuming you're staying within the parts of the map that are loaded already 02:24 VanessaE ) 02:25 Megaf Iceweasel can't find the server at en.zimagez.com. 02:25 Megaf oh dear 02:25 VanessaE use imgur then 02:26 Vazon Megaf when you get time can you tell me how you gave your ip a domain 02:26 VanessaE http://en.zimagez.com/ works here, btw 02:27 Megaf Vazon: You know about buying domains? 02:27 Vazon yes, i have heard of it 02:27 Megaf my name is from name.com 02:28 Vazon kk 02:28 Megaf also I got a private whois 02:28 Megaf so you cant get my name, address and telehpone 02:28 Vazon o 02:28 Megaf so, go to name.com and get a domain 02:28 Megaf thats the easy part 02:28 VanessaE private whois violates RFC> 02:28 Megaf the hard part is to use it with a dynamic IP 02:29 Megaf I have a dynamic DNS, megaf.no-ip.info and a no-ip client running on my ADSL modem 02:29 VanessaE (I got my domain through hostgator back when I used a shared host for my website. got rid of the shared host when I moved on to bigger and better servers, kept the domain with them though) 02:29 Megaf so, them I just have to add a CNAME on my domain to "direct" it to megaf.no-ip.info 02:30 Megaf thats a way that I found and works great 02:30 Vazon cause im trying to get my server ip to minerealms. something (idc what) so my ip isnt something everyone has access to 02:30 VanessaE vazon, everyone will know your IP. 02:30 VanessaE that's how DNS works 02:30 Megaf VanessaE: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2281263/Images/Screenshot%20-%20130514%20-%2023%3A26%3A19.png 02:31 Vazon o i was unaware of this 02:31 Vazon DNS isnt something i mess with on a daily baisis 02:31 Megaf Vazon: DNS/Domain names are just like a shortcut to your machine, so you dont have to memorize your IP 02:31 VanessaE Vazon: yeah. you give a domain name, the browser or minetest or whatever contacts a DNS server which looks up the IP address and gives the result back to that program. the program uses that info to actually talk to the domain in question. 02:32 VanessaE think of it like a telephone book. 02:32 Megaf indeed 02:32 Vazon o ok 02:32 VanessaE dig digitalaudioconcepts.com and you'll get 192.99.11.10 as the result. 02:33 Megaf or ping google.com 02:33 Megaf or ping megaf.info 02:33 Megaf or whois megaf.info 02:34 VanessaE Megaf: get rid of animated_furnace. it's obsolete (part of minetest_game now). Do a /clearobjects . Check the area for mesecons lag machines. 02:35 Vazon Vanessa what does /clearobjects do?? i use the code from built_items from carbone (i think thats the game) to clear droped items after 10 min 02:35 VanessaE Vazon: it removes all entities on the map 02:35 VanessaE MOBs, dropped objects, etc. 02:36 VanessaE such objects, if they're allowed to become too numerous, can cause large amounts of server CPU load and slow down clients' FPS. 02:36 VanessaE it's a last-resort 02:36 VanessaE but, I doubt there's anything that can't safely be deleted. 02:36 Vazon well we dont have Mobs and builtin_items clears dropped items so do i still need to run that command? and if so how often because i never run it 02:37 VanessaE Vazon: maybe you don't need it, but Megaf doesn't run that mod so he might. 02:37 VanessaE it's just a guess at this point 02:38 VanessaE Vazon: it's something you should almost never need in practice 02:38 Vazon ya true 02:38 Vazon ok 02:38 VanessaE and if you have a recent version of worldedit, you can //clearobjects (two slashes) to just remove entities within the //pos1 //pos2 region 02:39 Vazon ya i have that 02:39 Megaf VanessaE: I think removing the animated furnace done the trick, at least on my desktop, gonna try on the ARM board now 02:40 Vazon i hope my fixed to the snow mod and the 3d_armor hold when 0.4.10 comes out D: 02:42 Megaf VanessaE: removing animated furnace made the cpu usage drop to only 25% on my ARM server 02:42 Megaf can you believe it? 02:42 VanessaE sounds like that mod was corrupted then 02:43 VanessaE which is odd 02:43 VanessaE all it does is redefine the front face of the "active" furnace to add an animated image. 02:43 Megaf maybe some kind of conflict with the new game? 02:43 VanessaE (which is why it's obsolete, minetest_game does that now) 02:43 VanessaE could be ^^^^6 02:43 VanessaE -6 02:43 Megaf now, world still take long to load 02:44 Megaf cleaning objects 02:45 Megaf Vazon: doesnt that clear drop items slow the server? 02:45 Vazon no 02:45 Megaf badly writen question, but you get what I mean 02:45 Vazon ya i understand 02:45 Vazon but bot it doesnt slow it down 02:45 Vazon but* 02:45 Megaf because /clearobjects totally freezes the server 02:46 Megaf VanessaE: my bad, it still using 100% 02:46 Megaf it uses 25% of all 4 cores 02:46 VanessaE ignore that,. 02:46 VanessaE let it finish 02:46 VanessaE it takes forever 02:47 Megaf I wonder how that carbone mod works to clear objects 02:47 Vazon Megaf there is times i will place some items and just do tother things and when i turn around its gone 02:47 Vazon its a modified builtin_items mod 02:48 Vazon and yes its carbone game that has it 02:48 Megaf VanessaE: it will be nice if every player had a vacuum tube attached 02:49 Megaf so they would clean the map... 02:49 Megaf :P 02:49 VanessaE Megaf: item_drop --> https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop 02:49 VanessaE configure it for pick-up mode only 02:49 Vazon t^^ 02:49 Vazon Megaf there is the item droped mod that i have took out part of the code that it picks up droped items that they are near them 02:49 VanessaE (you can turn the drop-on-dig mode off) 02:53 Megaf well, but that wouldnt work for saplings 02:53 Megaf from trees 02:53 Megaf or when your inventory is full and you keep digging 02:53 Megaf or, will it? 03:01 Vazon ok as long as your still near the tree when the saplings drop no the ywont be picked up but that is where the item despawn comes in handy and once your inv is fun it wont pick up but its same as before after 10 min that itme will dspawn thus the lag it was causeing is gone. 03:01 Vazon saplings drop yes but other wise* 03:05 VanessaE Megaf: it works for any dropped object 03:06 VanessaE but if your inventory is full of course it won't pick up 03:06 VanessaE saplings dropped from a decaying tree will be picked up as they fall 03:06 VanessaE (if there's room) 03:08 Vazon VanessaE there is a typo i think in that item_drop readme 03:08 VanessaE planted saplings are just a normal block like anything else (well "plantlike" drawtype anyway) so they won't be touched. 03:08 Vazon a whole sentence is messed up 03:08 VanessaE better yell at cyisfor about it :) 03:10 Vazon lol look at the enable item_drop = true/false 03:10 Megaf I need a mod that clears objects, no matter where they are 03:10 Megaf and if theres players around or not 03:11 Vazon then you need the carbone builtin_item mod 03:12 Vazon im goingto try to incorporate the buildin_item droped item 3d in to the wield hand mod (part of the 3d_armor mod) so the items look 3d not flat 03:19 Megaf VanessaE: forget about #1247 I reported it to sapier long ago, he ignored me 03:19 Megaf I mean, #1297 03:20 Megaf Public serverlist failure 03:20 Vazon after you log out of one server??? i believe that has been reported many times 03:21 Megaf just click to show public server list 03:21 Megaf then you are screwed 03:21 Megaf proller is absolutely right, sapier doest even play minetest 03:21 Megaf he just changes the code 03:21 Megaf and never test a thinh 03:21 Megaf thing* 03:22 Megaf he doesnt even has a server 03:22 VanessaE Megaf: actually he didn't ignore you, your bug was fixed in a pull request that is pending. 03:22 VanessaE my bug is a different issue entirely. 03:23 VanessaE but related. 03:23 Megaf VanessaE: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2281263/Images/Screenshots/Screenshot%20-%20110514%20-%2012%3A14%3A18.png 03:23 VanessaE and you aren't screwed. 03:23 VanessaE you can edit your minetest.conf to recover. 03:23 VanessaE public_serverlist = false 03:23 VanessaE (or something like that) 03:24 Megaf yep 03:24 Megaf I know that 03:24 VanessaE and he tests plenty of stuff, I test what he can't. 03:24 Megaf but we have to think on the end use 03:24 Megaf user 03:24 VanessaE and you don't even know if he was the one whose last change cause that to break. 03:25 VanessaE end users normally won't run git builds. 03:25 VanessaE if you run git, be ready to help fix it. 03:26 Vazon Vanessa im planing on adding the irc mod to my sever to connect to other servers but dont want to connect to the one all of you guys use because that gets the chat all filled, is there any other opions? 03:26 Megaf Vazon: we could share an IRC channel 03:26 Megaf my server and yours 03:26 Megaf but Im not sure if I like that 03:27 Megaf I find that confusing 03:27 Vazon well that would be fine, but i didnt think you would like irc 03:27 VanessaE vazon: just join a different channel 03:27 Megaf VanessaE: Can you please, once again, tell me how to I apply this patch here? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1241 03:28 Megaf the easy way 03:28 VanessaE Megaf: cd to your minetest dir, git pull https://github.com/sapier/minetest.git fstk_addon 03:28 VanessaE and then compile. 03:29 Vazon .... they should make a mod that deloads chunks that havent been used in over a a week 03:29 VanessaE Vazon: de-loads? 03:30 VanessaE if you mean deletes them from the map, that'd be pointless 03:30 VanessaE because chunks are routinely operated on by one mod or another (to add landscape elements, etc). 03:30 VanessaE so you'd be destroying stuff as well. 03:31 Vazon ok so when you run in to uncharted areas that people make when exporing far out and some times it causes lag when they travel far out and generating ton of chunks wel la mod should just deload it till that area is visited again to reduce lag 03:31 Megaf Vazon: Theres already a timeout for that 03:32 Megaf server unload unused items 03:33 Vazon really?? geez its been to long since i have played this game i keep forgetting things and new things area added that im unaware of. 03:34 Megaf Vazon: it takes forever to get media on minereals server v2 03:34 Megaf if thats your server 03:34 Megaf minerealms 03:35 Vazon yes it is 03:36 Vazon i wish i haded been so stupid a few months agao and shutdown the best server that was running at the time besides roads 03:36 Vazon hadent 03:37 Megaf heh, I can say the same about Till It Ends 03:38 Megaf I wish I could have it back 03:38 Megaf too bad my backup server didnt backup it properly 03:38 Vazon well i got my world back i just need my members back 03:43 Vazon Vanessa do you even play any servers? 03:49 VanessaE my own servers sometimes 03:49 blaise oh my god 03:49 blaise I cleared my inventory by accident! :o 03:49 blaise lmao 03:51 Megaf blaise: I've done that too 03:52 blaise oh well.. 03:52 blaise lao 03:52 blaise lmao 03:52 Vazon ... i do it to, but on purpose 03:54 blaise I'm building a factory.... 03:54 blaise how do these pipes work? 03:55 blaise do I just route a box to a furnace and then out to a different box? 03:55 blaise are the different holes on the sides of the boxes and stuff for different things? 03:56 blaise fuel, incoming parts, outgoing parts? 03:56 blaise is there a pipeworks howto? 03:57 blaise and I want to make a water feature with that water pump in technik, can I use solar power? 03:58 Megaf blaise: pipes bring items 03:58 Megaf filters take items 03:58 Megaf thats what you need to know 08:06 Exio4 for the records 08:19 Mimilus_ Is it possible to have subfolder in textures folder in a mod ? 08:22 RealBadAngel possible yes, but files wont be readed from it ;) 08:42 ^Enki^ Hello all, I'm translating Minetest and I'm unsure about the actual meaning of "item visuals": does that mean "item meshes" or "item textures"? Any help would be much appreciated. 08:45 ^Enki^ hello john_minetest 08:48 ^Enki^ Same question for "hide mp content" does that stands for "hide modpack's content"? 08:58 ^Enki^ thus "Enable MP" and "Disable MP" would also refer to "modpack content"? Sorry if the question seems dumb but I just want to double check :) 08:58 ^Enki^ about item visuals I think the core question is: does it refers to textures or to the actual 3d model? 08:58 ^Enki^ (thanks for helping me john_minetest!) 09:01 ^Enki^ great, yeah definetively refers to both of them :) thank you very much! 09:04 ^Enki^ yep thus it can only be related to modpack, and given that they are enabled/disabled via a tickbox I believe that "Enable MP" etc. actually means "Enable mod pack content" as "show the modpack's content" 09:04 ^Enki^ aka subfolders etc. 09:38 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Third Shift Workers' Day! :-D 09:44 iamtew good morning :) 09:59 JamesTait john_minetest, you could suggest it to daysoftheyear.com ;) 10:03 Exio4 national? 10:16 * ^Enki^ thinks that Chtulu has been busy down there. 10:17 TheCephalopod *manic laugher* 10:17 ^Enki^ Chtulu f'tagn? 10:20 RealBadAngel john_minetest, item visuals means generate inventory textures false - in game, on the fly (may cause flickering when flipping inventory pages) and true - on startup, may take some time 10:41 ^Enki^ thanks to both for helping to clarify 10:43 ^Enki^ testing time, wish me good luck 10:46 Krock hello 10:46 * Krock afk pooping then publishing *.exe and src to update skins for u_skins mod 11:16 hoodedice quick noob question: Are '.' allowed in lua variables? 11:17 Krock IIRC nope. It's used for variables = {} 11:18 Krock test.text = "blah" beeds to have test = {} defined 11:18 Krock *needs 11:35 kaeza mornings 11:36 Krock afternoons 12:12 Megaf Morning 12:12 Megaf I still strugling to know what makes minetest server max out my cpu 12:13 proller suffering again ;) 12:14 proller just try fm 12:23 Megaf proller: I just figured it out 12:23 Megaf proller: max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 12:23 Megaf changed from 16 to 4 12:23 Megaf and max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total = changed from a high number to 32 12:23 proller most of your problems was solved 12:24 Megaf that made the CPU use drop from 100.9% to 2% 12:24 proller without users ? 12:25 Megaf proller: till now I tested with one user... 12:25 Megaf it was using 100.9% with only one user 12:25 proller 2% means user was disconnected ;) 12:25 Megaf proller: !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 12:25 Megaf please join, to test the CPU usage 12:26 SoniEx2 nodes are in-world tiles (or w/e they're called), right? 12:26 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 12:27 Megaf Hi PilzAdam 12:27 Megaf proller: are you working on making minetest/freeminer SMP friendly? 12:27 Megaf I believe that should be the focus now 12:27 Megaf the main objective 12:28 proller https://github.com/proller/freeminer/tree/lockvm 12:28 proller try this 12:28 MinetestBot asie: 05-13 15:26 UTC compacted the stupidly large tanks code for switching tanks about; https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/a218c0a2b15bfe2007ee589c1de1fad210ecdf78 12:33 Megaf proller: How does lockvm differs? 12:34 proller Megaf, it 999% better, try it. 12:34 Megaf proller: I will if you tell me why is better 12:34 proller (unproofed random numbers again) 12:34 proller because it have many optimizations 12:36 proller look to diff if you very interested 12:43 Megaf proller: ok 12:47 hoodedice Krock: tables? 12:48 hoodedice lol, replied one and a half hour later 12:49 hoodedice I'll ask again: Are '.' allowed in lua variables? 12:49 hoodedice Answer I got was ' IIRC nope. It's used for variables = {}' 12:53 Megaf 3 players, 32% of CPU 12:55 Megaf VanessaE: Hi? 12:56 proller Megaf, and world not loading? ;) 12:56 Megaf proller: loading really fast 13:09 ^Enki^ Hello, if I use the tickbox to fetch the public servelist my client (0.4.9-dev) crashes thowing this error (curl enabled on compiling): ERROR[main]: MAINMENU ERROR: .../minetest/bin/../builtin/mainmenu/init.lua:911: attempt to get length of field 'favorites' (a nil value) 13:09 ^Enki^ then gets stuck on that warning, even after restart 13:09 ^Enki^ any suggestions on how to fix it? 13:13 Megaf ^Enki^: It's a know bug and it will be fixed 13:14 Megaf but for now, you can edit you minetest.conf file, somewhere down there is something like, show public server list = true 13:14 Megaf change it to false 13:15 ^Enki^ Thank you Megaf 13:16 Megaf You're welcome ^Enki^ 13:24 Krock !up minetest.ntdll.net 13:24 MinetestBot minetest.ntdll.net:30000 is up (346ms) 13:24 Krock <3 MinetestBot 13:24 MinetestBot <3 Krock 13:24 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 13:24 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (747ms) 13:25 * Krock rewrote 1/2 of the whole u_skins mod... 13:35 microcarrot a hoy! 13:41 Krock ? 14:00 Krock ack... too much u_skins updates, the github GUI takes ages 14:05 kaeza that's why you use command line 14:05 Exio4 git pull Krock 14:06 Krock I've no idea of git command line 14:06 Exio4 people are like "we need more GUIs!" 14:06 Krock -^ 14:06 Exio4 there is a small thing 14:06 Krock everywhere you need to enter commands, is a gui needed 14:07 Krock like chatcommands ingame - it needs a selection box 14:10 Exio4 typing a command is way faster than selecting a command with your mouse 14:10 Krock depends on keyboard or touchscreen 14:10 Krock also on age 14:10 Krock Amaz_Notanother, don't lie. You're another guy 14:11 Exio4 Krock: w/ a touchscreen ... lets say if you normally have a touchscreen you either have an external keyboard, integrated keyboard+touchpad or nothing 14:11 Exio4 and we're talking about a whole different enviroment 14:12 Exio4 with touchscreen, typing is a pain in the ass and also is using a mouse 14:12 Krock whatever.. My option is to add a selection box. 14:12 Krock wait...using mouse to touch? 14:12 Krock ... 14:12 Krock d..o....t...s...a.re.f.u..n.n..y 14:15 Krock kaeza, what's the command to pull or push -whatever- all changes to gitub? 14:20 kaeza Krock, uhh... git push maybe? 14:20 kaeza (and git pull) 14:20 kaeza git push 14:20 reactor Фдмбчгнчзсне! 14:21 Exio4 wat 14:22 reactor That's Russian for "Hello!". 14:23 Krock kaeza, thanks. I noticed the fail I made - commited to wrong branch 14:24 rubenwardy Hi all! 14:24 rubenwardy Hi all! 14:24 rubenwardy oops 14:24 kaeza hello rubenwardy 14:24 kaeza hello rubenwardy 14:24 kaeza :) 14:25 rubenwardy Excellent 14:25 Krock hi rubenwardy 14:27 rubenwardy Krock, what is this meant to be showing? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&view=unread#p141615 14:27 Krock rubenwardy, that means how newer minetest servers handle leveldb 14:27 rubenwardy oh, ok 14:28 Krock rubenwardy, the 2nd image was before upgrading (and using a some-weeks-older version) 14:29 Krock that equals the situation after doing the backup 14:29 rubenwardy Are the labels the wrong way around? 14:29 Exio4 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Circle-trig6.svg 14:30 Krock rubenwardy, what you mean? 14:30 rubenwardy In the post the first image is "before" the second image is "after". You just said the 2nd image is "before" 14:30 Krock Exio4, like chinese. 14:31 Krock rubenwardy, because the 2nd image is before upgrading and AFTER unzipping the bachupfule 14:31 Krock *backup 14:31 rubenwardy ok 14:31 Krock well.. the bachup also contained the old exe..so it's not surprisinly 14:32 Krock ghrammahr failz 14:33 rubenwardy bach, like the music? XD 14:33 Krock it's nice to get tired 14:34 PilzAdam rubenwardy, bach is a composer, he's not "music" 14:34 reactor batch processing 14:34 rubenwardy ... 14:35 PilzAdam rubenwardy, same as you are not code when programming 14:35 rubenwardy ha, true 14:35 Krock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZUE4_PtOk0 14:35 Krock actual situation 14:35 Krock https://foo.om 14:35 rubenwardy !title 14:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Can't connect to https://foo.om 14:35 Krock :troll: 14:35 PilzAdam "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA. " 14:36 Krock lol 14:36 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/0FdNlhZAYBE 14:36 Krock !title 14:36 MinetestBot Krock: Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750) Violin Concertos - YouTube 14:38 Krock lol bug! can't minimize windows xp's updater :3 14:38 Krock 13 years old bug maybe 14:39 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 3000 14:40 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:3000 seems to be down 14:40 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30000 14:40 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30000 seems to be down 14:40 Krock ha-ha-ha. 14:40 Megaf NAT missing 14:40 Megaf later I will fix that 14:41 reactor !up щщщщщщщщщщ.рф 0 14:41 MinetestBot щщщщщщщщщщ.рф:0 seems to be down 14:41 reactor ...okay 14:41 * Krock must use the git gui again before he's gonna rage badly 14:41 rubenwardy Git command line is fun to use once you learn how to use it 14:42 Krock IF you want to learn it :3 14:42 rubenwardy I use the gui for most cases, cause I can't be bothered to open the terminal 14:42 Krock It throws me errors everytime and I don't like to google for everything. the gui can do that too 14:43 Krock my reason-^ 14:43 rubenwardy It is as simple as: git add . git commit -m "message" git push origin master 14:43 reactor Therefore, GUI is a kludge. 14:43 rubenwardy Make sure you have ~* in your .gitignore is you are using gedit 14:43 Krock did that too but the branches threw me errors 14:44 rubenwardy ah branches. 14:44 Krock how to use gedit under windows? motepad++ is much better 14:44 Krock *notepad 14:44 rubenwardy git checkout branch_name; git add .; git commit -m "message"; git push origin branch_name; 14:44 Krock thx, I'll try that one 14:45 rubenwardy yeah, notepad++ is much better. I mentioned that for JIC 14:45 rubenwardy I think it is "checkout" 14:45 rubenwardy yeah it is 14:46 Krock error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by checkou 14:46 Krock blah blah 14:46 rubenwardy yeah 14:46 rubenwardy you need to be in the correct branch for editing 14:47 Krock I've got one folder with files in - I edit them - I upload them to banch XY - git needs more than just this.. 14:47 rubenwardy When you do checkout, it switches branch. Switching branch loads the code from that branch. 14:48 rubenwardy You need to copy your code to back it up, re-clone the repo, switch the branch, and then paste the code in 14:48 rubenwardy or commit to the current branch 14:48 rubenwardy * or just commit to the current branch 14:49 rubenwardy GUI is easier 14:49 Krock yup. 14:50 Krock damn this CLI, tells me something about fast forward or whatever. better wait 5 minutes for GUI instead of wasting 20 minutes on how-to-use-cli 14:55 SoniEx2 does minetest support 8x8 textures? 14:55 Krock it supports all 14:55 Krock 0x0 not recommended 14:56 Krock 2^x preferred 14:56 Krock SoniEx2 -^ 14:57 SoniEx2 also why's the clay brick texture 16x17? 14:57 Krock good question. it also generates errors ingame. 15:00 * Jordach groans in hunger 15:03 PilzAdam Jordach, protip(TM): eat 15:04 Jordach not helping - my internal clock is back a few hours 15:07 SoniEx2 Jordach, try sugar 15:08 * Jordach finally gets around to installin Blender :D 15:10 Krock http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/laser_pointer.png 15:14 Krock great. 15:15 Krock wating 15 minutes to get a "GitHub has stopped working" error 15:15 Krock I love this world 15:18 rubenwardy weird 3d.xkcd.com/ 15:18 rubenwardy * http://3d.xkcd.com/ 15:21 Jordach Krock, you love Windows is your problem 15:25 Krock Jordach, smoke this. https://github.com/SmallJoker/minetest-u_skinsdb/tree/huge_rewrite 15:25 * Jordach prints it and uses it as a spliff paper 15:25 Jordach you told me to smoke it 15:25 Krock yes. I told you. maybe you look down on the paper and saw what I made in ~30 mins 15:25 Jordach i use my own skins system - which is working fine as is :) 15:25 Jordach brb - restartin 15:25 Krock Jordach, does it support the skinsdb? 15:25 Krock ok. 15:26 dynamodan does anyone have experience running minetest across a rdesktop or vnc connection? 15:27 dynamodan I've encountered this problem: 15:27 dynamodan http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?94590-Spinning-screen-in-games-in-mouse-look 15:27 dynamodan just wondering if anyone else has dealt with it 15:28 Krock check the VM settings 15:29 Exio4 you'd need to make the vnc connection/rdesktop "catch" the mouse 15:29 dynamodan exactly 15:30 dynamodan I'm running tigervnc server in my case 15:30 dynamodan I put in a ticket on sourceforge with them 15:30 dynamodan have tried all kinds of settings 15:30 dynamodan tried x2x and a few other things 15:32 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30002 15:32 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30002 is up (565ms) 15:32 Jordach and fuck ubuntu 15:32 Jordach GAH 15:32 Jordach broke my FUCKING AMD DRIVERS AGAIN 15:33 dynamodan Jordach Radeon integrated video? I have lots of problems with that too, on ubuntu 12.04 + Radeon 4200 15:34 dynamodan only the proprietary driver from amd works, and, I use a legacy one that they took down from their site 15:34 dynamodan v12.6. They have v13 now and it doesn't work with the 4200 15:35 Jordach dynamodan, fun fact: Ubuntu update DESTROYS NON installed drivers installed via additional-drivers 15:35 dynamodan yup, I know it very well 15:35 Megaf Jordach: check out Alien world, normal minetest_game on a raspberry pi 15:35 dynamodan go through it every time the kernel gets updated 15:35 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30002 15:35 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30002 is up (439ms) 15:36 Megaf Sokomine: you visite that server too, but it was lagging, I fixed it now 15:36 Jordach fuck it 15:36 Jordach windows again and restored my boot to win 8 again 15:37 Megaf Told you to use Debian Wheezy 15:37 dynamodan I went to ubuntu about 4 years ago and havent looked back 15:37 Megaf the only Linux that actually works 15:37 Jordach and nuked 15:37 Jordach ubuntu partition nuked 15:37 Jordach and re-merged into my media drive 15:38 Megaf Jordach: told you Ubuntu is shit 15:39 dynamodan I lock my fglrx packages so the updater doesn't overwrite them 15:39 Artemis3 but in the end, amd is always trouble, always, they just don't care about linux. 15:40 dynamodan yeah it's been a pain I agree 15:40 Jordach still better than nVidia with drivers 15:40 reactor Anyone used slackware? 15:41 Artemis3 nvidia is basically plug and play, or apt-get install kernel-headers + nvidia-dkms in debian, or ticking the nvidia driver in ubuntu 15:41 reactor I heard it's the UNIX-est distribution. Is it? 15:41 Artemis3 the only problem where it might get a bit more difficult than that, is hardware newer than the driver your distro provides 15:41 dynamodan I have not used slackware. my experience is limited to ubuntu, centos, and archlinux 15:42 Megaf reactor: no Linux is UNIX 15:42 Artemis3 but nvidia in linux is far more easy to use than amd 15:42 reactor Megaf: *rolls eyes* I know. 15:42 reactor Linux is a poor clone. 15:42 Megaf reactor: there are a couple of distros that tries to implement some things that looks like some UNIX 15:42 Megaf like Arch Linux 15:42 Megaf and Slackware 15:42 reactor That's what I'm talking about. 15:42 reactor Arch is not going the UNIX way. 15:43 reactor They've ditched init. 15:43 Artemis3 Linux Is Not UniX, you should have learned that first 15:43 reactor Oh my god, I do know that! 15:43 dynamodan I know nothing about UNIX. Only that Linux is vaguely based on it or inspired by it 15:43 reactor I'm asking if there's any Linux that tries to be as close to UNIX as possible. 15:43 Megaf Linux is a clone of Minix 15:43 reactor Which in turn is a clone of UNIX. 15:43 Artemis3 unix is something that went into disuse in the 80ies, all that is left are unix like oses, or what they call them posix or such, i'd say the bsds are closer 15:44 Krock ['l','i','n','u','x'].compear_with(['u','n','i','x']) -> found 1 wrong letter 'l' 15:44 Artemis3 No, Linux was made because Linus tried Minix and he tho it sucked and he would rather make it from scratch (Linux is a kernel, nothing else) 15:44 sfan5 meow 15:45 sfan5 hi everyone 15:45 reactor The userland quesion has been discussed many-many times. 15:45 * Megaf barks at sfan5 15:45 reactor "Linux" is shorter than "GNU/Linux", that's why we have what we have. 15:45 Artemis3 the userland was not Minix, but GNU instead 15:45 reactor ^ 15:45 Megaf (friendly bark) 15:45 sfan5 Artemis3: linux was made because linus thought unix was too expensive IIRC 15:45 * sfan5 meows at Megaf 15:45 reactor sfan5: Minix* 15:46 * Jordach is finally happy 15:46 Artemis3 the SCO thing with a 250$ license AND because Minix sucked. 15:46 * sfan5 purrs at Jordach 15:46 Jordach finally got my Windows to be amplified as it used to be 15:46 Artemis3 it was before BSD had a free alternative 15:46 Megaf Unix still live on 15:46 sfan5 Jordach: are you still using linux? 15:46 Megaf OS X is UNIX 15:46 sfan5 no 15:46 Krock msdos for the win 15:46 Artemis3 there is no unix anywhere 15:47 sfan5 OS X is darwin which is based on BSD 15:47 Megaf gtg, later all 15:47 Artemis3 and Apple used parts of *BSD in any case and mach (another open kernel) 15:47 Jordach sfan5, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/l4oyzN50D4j-.png 15:48 reactor As for the original UNIX, there's OpenIndiana. 15:48 Jordach Ubuntu's App Updates nuked my AMD drivers :( 15:48 reactor It is also safe to call BSD UNIX, I think. 15:48 reactor Wasn't OSX forked from early-early FBSD? 15:48 Artemis3 also you are not to judge linux because a couple of distros don't satisfy your expectations, not with hundreds of them. 15:49 sfan5 Jordach: don't use ubuntu, use kubuntu or xubunut 15:49 sfan5 xubuntu* 15:49 sfan5 ubuntu is shit 15:49 sfan5 (atleast the one with unity) 15:49 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=141622#p141622 15:49 Artemis3 and you can't judge linux because certain piece of proprietary hardware does not work properly with it because the manufacturer doesn't care. 15:49 reactor Hardware vendors are cheap assholes, as mentioned before. 15:50 Artemis3 nvidia might be bad, but nvidia cares, and their drivers show. intel is best if you want open source 15:50 reactor There is no DEC, and you can't really buy small systems from IBM anymore. 15:50 reactor NVIDIA cares? 15:50 reactor There are exploits no fixed for years! 15:50 reactor not* 15:50 Artemis3 at least the graphics part works 15:51 sfan5 !title 15:51 MinetestBot sfan5: [Mod] Unified_Inventory Skins [u_skins] - Minetest Forums 15:51 Artemis3 which is what gpus are meant for... 15:51 reactor Nobody cares about security. Not even OpenSSL developers. 15:51 sfan5 ^ 15:51 reactor Theo called them "unresponsible" for a reason. 15:51 Artemis3 use libressl then 15:51 sfan5 use gnutls 15:51 reactor They only start caring about it the times someone gets royally fucked in the ass. 15:52 reactor Next week it all fades away yet again. 15:52 Artemis3 i always tell people don't bother with linux with amd graphics, get nvidia or intel first. 15:52 reactor NVIDIA is the least of evils, I'd agree. 15:52 reactor At least it works reliably. 15:53 Artemis3 it just works and thats important 15:53 Artemis3 well if you can get a new intel with integrated gpu it also works 15:53 Artemis3 so there is two choices 15:53 reactor system board? 15:54 Artemis3 the gpu is actually inside cpu nowdays, the mobo may or may not provide the required port 15:55 reactor What is the processor inquestion called? 15:55 reactor Something Bridge? 15:55 Artemis3 yes, those 15:56 Jordach !tell BlockMen update yer fecking windows build - it's out of date again 15:56 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when BlockMen is around 15:56 sfan5 Artemis3: some motherboards still have a gfx card on them 15:56 reactor I heard they don't work reliably on FBSD. 15:56 sfan5 reactor: South Bridge? 15:56 reactor No. 15:56 reactor The chip codename. 15:56 Artemis3 ie. Sandybridge 15:56 sfan5 Haswell? ... ^ that 15:56 Artemis3 i have one of those 15:56 Artemis3 i2500 15:56 Artemis3 i5 15:57 reactor Ah, it's actually supported there. 15:57 Artemis3 yes 15:57 * sfan5 has an i5 cpu if anyone cares 15:57 * Krock has a Intel Celeron CPU is anyone cares 15:57 Artemis3 don't get the very latest latest thing if you want proper support get one generation behind the leading edge 15:58 Artemis3 it always takes a bit of time for projects to add and test support (and distro to test and package stuff) 15:58 Artemis3 and with proprietary you have to wait for them to do that job (ie. nvidia) 15:58 reactor ...and M$ catch up to it because they have information before it's released? 15:59 sfan5 yes 15:59 reactor up with* 15:59 reactor don't have to catch up with* 15:59 reactor I mean. 15:59 Artemis3 because they make the drivers inhouse even before the product is shipped 16:00 Artemis3 M$ doesn't really get drivers of new products either, the ones they have is for already in the market stuff 16:00 Artemis3 and they even test them a bit before bundling them in their "distro" 16:16 BlockMen !tell Jordach, build it yourself if you cant wait. i dont provide builds that are not useable 16:16 MinetestBot BlockMen: I'll pass that on when Jordach, is around 16:16 Megaf reactor: OS X is the sun of NeXT Step 16:17 Megaf hm 16:17 Megaf wront spelling of sun 16:17 reactor Сун 16:17 Megaf wrong* 16:17 Krock BlockMen: n when "Jordach," is aroun 16:17 reactor wrong spelling of wrong 16:17 Megaf I don't know how to spell that 16:17 Megaf whatever 16:18 BlockMen Krock, huh? 16:18 Krock BlockMen, it'll send a message to Jordach, 16:19 Krock not sure if you really mean the name with comma at the end 16:19 MinetestBot Calinou: 05-04 21:57 UTC apparently the crafting for golden arrows is duplicated 16:19 Calinou hi 16:19 MinetestBot Calinou: 05-11 18:53 UTC http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php 16:19 BlockMen damn bot 16:19 BlockMen !tell Jordach build it yourself if you cant wait. i dont provide builds that are not useable 16:19 MinetestBot BlockMen: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around 16:20 Krock hi Calinou 16:20 Calinou Krock, “source or GTFO!” 16:21 Calinou (I have yet to find their source code) 16:21 Calinou (and it sounds like it's proprietary) 16:21 Krock (It's thrustful anyway) 16:22 Exio4 how was your game called Calinou 16:23 Krock (Carbone) 16:23 Exio4 kk 16:23 Exio4 thankz 16:23 Krock ninja'd? 16:26 Calinou Krock, proprietary software can't be trusted 16:27 Calinou !tell Jordach yes, flipped recipes are available for intuitiveness. 16:27 MinetestBot Calinou: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around 16:28 Krock !tell Calinou the end product counts, not the innards 16:28 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around 16:29 Exio4 it does count 16:29 Calinou it does matter on the end product 16:29 MinetestBot Calinou: 05-14 16:27 UTC the end product counts, not the innards 16:29 Calinou proprietary software is insecure by design 16:29 Calinou (security and privacy are quite linked anyway) 16:30 Krock I've got an antivirus and anti-spyware software for that + my humanity 16:30 Calinou this doesn't help you (oh, and they're also likely proprietary) 16:30 Exio4 antivirus? is your antivirus opensource? 16:30 Exio4 and lol anti-spyware 16:30 Calinou very unlikely 8) 16:30 Krock Exio4, know one hich is opensource? 16:30 Krock *which 16:30 Calinou (also, anti-viruses are useless, to not say they're viruses in themselves) 16:30 Exio4 clamav 16:30 Calinou ClamAV, but this one is only a virus scanner 16:31 Calinou you can't call it a fully featured anti-virus and even less a “security suite” 16:31 Krock even. Not a full protection 16:31 Calinou it's a better idea to be careful and stop using an AV 16:31 Calinou (yes, even on Windows) 16:31 Exio4 what is a full protection? 16:31 Calinou (another reason to use an up-to-date Windows) 16:31 BlockMen Calinou:, lol. 16:31 BlockMen being carefull does not protect against viruses 16:31 * Exio4 slaps BlockMen with a wild comma 16:31 Calinou it does 16:31 Krock Exio4, offline PC's somewhere in middle of australia 16:31 Calinou most viruses are web attacks 16:31 Calinou avoidable with AdBlock (yes) and WOT (or similar) 16:31 Krock *i mean south pole :) 16:31 * BlockMen throws a blank to Exio4 16:32 BlockMen Calinou, no 16:32 BlockMen really bad idea on win not using av 16:32 Exio4 why 16:32 * Krock got av - avg antivirus haha how funny. 16:33 BlockMen drive by? 16:33 * Krock things it's _very_ funny. totally. really. 16:33 BlockMen there is even being "careful" not helping 16:33 Calinou I did it; didn't have a particular issue (eg. excessive disk/bandwidth/CPU usage) 16:33 Calinou really, the AV sellers are selling (proprietary) FUD 16:33 Calinou it's their main business and they even admit it sometimes 16:34 BlockMen Calinou, any proves for what you calim here? 16:34 Exio4 i don't see any for what you said either 16:34 BlockMen *claim 16:34 Calinou task manager. 16:34 Calinou reality. 16:34 Krock Yummy that applestrowel was perfekt 16:34 BlockMen 4,6MB ram 16:34 BlockMen its a killer... 16:35 Exio4 the few systems I left with an antivirus and the few I left without, all needed a reboot after four months of usage by any normal person in my city 16:35 Exio4 s/reboot/format/ 16:36 Exio4 re-start, whatever 16:36 BlockMen ^ clean install? 16:36 Exio4 clean install 16:36 Exio4 installed and left for them 16:37 BlockMen Exio4, and that help just a bit. most ppl copy all files back and the virues aswell then 16:37 Exio4 i made the backup and removed all .exe and .dlls from them 16:38 Exio4 (basically, moved all of them to some directory) 16:38 BlockMen since virues are always ending with "*exe" and *.dll?? 16:38 * BlockMen facepalms 16:38 MinetestBot Jordach: 05-14 16:27 UTC yes, flipped recipes are available for intuitiveness. 16:39 Krock there are also virusses by 12 years old in *.bat files :3 16:39 Calinou hi Jordach 16:39 Jordach BlockMen, bluescreened D: 16:39 Exio4 BlockMen: why would something that isn't an executable run untrusted code? 16:39 Calinou the first thing you should do after getting Windows is showing file extensions 16:39 Calinou this will avoid you a lot of trouble 16:39 Exio4 (executable or library) 16:40 Exio4 inb4 autorun.ini 16:40 Krock Protip: *.scr is also an executable, like *.com 16:40 Jordach BlockMen, just *any* developer build will do that's either today or yesterday 16:40 Exio4 screensavers and older binaries? 16:40 Krock ^-yes 16:40 Exio4 yeah, they too 16:41 BlockMen Calinou, helps only for the harmless stuff 16:41 Exio4 i have seen a few scr downloaded though 16:41 Amaz What about viruses embedded in a word document or the like? 16:41 Exio4 Amaz: word document? macros? 16:41 Calinou no, it can actually help you against viruses 16:41 Exio4 the user must accept running them; user's fault 16:41 Calinou how about holidays.jpg.exe… 16:41 Amaz Yep. Are they still around? 16:41 Calinou What about viruses embedded in a word document or the like? 16:41 Calinou stop using Word 16:42 BlockMen Calinou, thats just the most easy way to provide a virus 16:42 Calinou (they also aren't really around these days, if you get your files only from good sources) 16:42 Amaz stop using Word 16:42 Exio4 "good sources" 16:42 Amaz Good idea! 16:42 Calinou I'm serious. 16:42 Calinou it'll help more people than just you 16:42 Exio4 BlockMen: tell me a hardest way to get a virus then 16:43 Amaz Yep. I toataly agree. 16:43 Exio4 Calinou: +1 16:43 Exio4 i need to agree w/ that 16:44 BlockMen Exio4, i cant tell you the "hardest way" since i dont know it. but creating a driveby virus is harder than providing an "virus.jpg.exe" 16:46 Exio4 ehm 16:46 Exio4 wouldn't a driveby "virus" be user's fault 16:47 BlockMen Exio4, and how do you protect yourself against driveby viruses? 16:48 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=141626#p141626 <3 16:48 Exio4 running scripts only from trusted sources, and don't pressing accept to everything you get on screen 16:49 Calinou BlockMen, on the web? AdBlock, /etc/hosts file (someonewhocares.org/hosts), WOT 16:49 Calinou and using a safe browser 16:50 Megaf How the heck word manages to run a virus from a text file? 16:51 BlockMen Exio4, Calinou, and what about hacked websites that are marked "trustable"? 16:56 Calinou too unlikely to happen 16:56 Calinou WOT is not stupid 16:57 BlockMen ^ lol 16:57 BlockMen but av are 17:19 blaise so this mod here https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest-irc_commands/blob/master/init.lua is just to run commands to the server with the irc mod ? 17:20 blaise Calinou: noscript and adblock helps a lot 17:37 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Map irrlicht log level to minetest. Allow write them to debug file. c8a99404e8 2014-05-14T19:30:39+02:00 http://git.io/kpgTeQ 18:12 rubenwardy I use WOT 18:13 sfan5 rubenwardy: u wot m8 18:13 rubenwardy ha 18:14 rubenwardy HA! Silly me. Responding to a message that was sent an hour and twenty ish ago 18:14 sfan5 ? 18:18 SoniEx2 why's this texture 16x17: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/textures/default_clay_brick.png 18:18 SoniEx2 and who should I ping about it? 18:18 SoniEx2 ShadowNinja, ? 18:21 Calinou minetest_game is brozen 18:21 Calinou frozen* 18:21 Calinou lol I was about to write “krozen” 18:21 SoniEx2 it's broken 18:22 Amaz Does frozen include frozen from bugfixes? 18:22 sfan5 Amaz: no 18:23 Amaz Okay. 18:24 CraigyDavi It's just frozen from new features 18:41 CraigyDavi Moontest developemnt screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/JWXAvYL.png 18:42 sfan5 CraigyDavi: y u no use https://mediacru.sh ? 18:43 VanessaE CraigyDavi: what, no HDX shown there? :P 18:43 VanessaE (not that you can really see it in the dark ;) ) 18:44 CraigyDavi sfan5, My screenshotting tool uses imgur to upload them to. 18:44 sfan5 don't use that tool 18:44 CraigyDavi VanessaE, Moontest dust now glows so its slightly easier to see 18:44 sfan5 or ask the dev to add mediacrush support 18:45 VanessaE CraigyDavi: no need to make it glow, just be sure you set the initial time of day to something reasonable like 4:30 AM or so 18:45 VanessaE and change the default minimum light setting 18:46 VanessaE I believe that can be done with a mod now 18:46 CraigyDavi Ok maybe ill change the time of day 18:46 VanessaE the day-night light ratio can be changed, as I recall 18:46 Jordach interesting fact 18:46 Jordach you can stick the time to something like 0.0004 in minetest.conf found in the game folder 18:49 Jordach and that should make time go a lot slower 18:54 MegAFK Yay! Hte most laggy servers runs on my raspberry Pi! http://servers.minetest.net/ 18:55 Krock dude, afk guys can't talk. they're afk. 18:55 Jordach i just realised this nick 18:55 Jordach /nick JordAFK 18:56 Krock MegAFK, Arsdragonfly's server beats you 18:57 Krock OMGLMAOROTFPMPHTB 18:57 CraigyDavi sfan5, Just found a replacement: http://getsharex.com/ Free! open source! mediacrush support! Wow! 18:58 * sfan5 meows at CraigyDavi approvingly 18:58 Megaf man, lag 7000 18:58 Megaf gows that even possible? 18:58 Megaf is that a 386? 18:58 Amaz 7 seconds? 18:58 blaise hrmmmm 18:59 Megaf I wish server.minetest.net updated faster 18:59 Megaf sfan5: how good is duckdns? 18:59 sfan5 very good 18:59 Megaf any better than no-ip? 19:00 blaise Megaf: your insite on pipeworks wasn't very helpful 19:00 Megaf no? 19:00 Megaf how so? 19:00 Krock http://www.dnsdynamic.org/ for the win 19:01 blaise all I need to know is filters take items and pipes bring items? 19:01 blaise then what's a pump for? 19:02 sfan5 Megaf: https://duckdns.org is the best 19:02 CraigyDavi ShareX is amazing :O 19:02 Megaf blaise: pipes bring items and put them inside something 19:02 Megaf blaise: or drop them on the floor 19:02 blaise I'm wanting to pump water into a building 19:02 Megaf ah 19:02 Megaf use water pipes then 19:02 Megaf and a pump 19:02 blaise so I need to submerge the pump? 19:02 Megaf nope 19:02 blaise and I need a spiket? 19:02 Megaf yep 19:03 blaise will this be source water that forms? 19:03 blaise or just water flow ? 19:03 Megaf it will behave like a water wource 19:03 blaise hrmm 19:03 * Megaf is quite happy with no-ip 19:04 blaise so I guess I'll have to use a bucket to transport source water 19:05 blaise I'm wanting an infinity pool attached to my building that has a waterfall.. 19:06 Jordach why is forum search fucking retarded 19:06 Jordach legit question 19:06 Amaz It is. 19:06 Megaf is it? 19:07 Amaz I have begun to use search term site:https://forum.minetest.net in google now. Much better. 19:07 Megaf Jordach: just use advanced search, OR go to google and type there. 'thing to search' site:http://forum.minetest.net/ 19:07 Megaf Amaz: :) 19:07 Megaf blaise: you can use pipeing for that 19:09 * dynamodan thinks google just got rediscovered 19:10 CraigyDavi Download ShareX everyone, look at dis: https://mediacru.sh/17f9kCYuQwuI.png Advanced screenshotting :) 19:10 CraigyDavi And you can even capture gifs :D 19:11 Piggybear87 Anyone know of any free server hosting sites? 19:12 sfan5 server = ? 19:12 Piggybear87 Minetest server hosting sites. 19:12 Krock Piggybear87, that's called virtual server 19:12 CraigyDavi Such mediacrush support, very open source, much advanced screenshoting, such gif capturing, wow 19:12 CraigyDavi Piggybear87, None such exists 19:12 Megaf Piggybear87: I could host for you, but it woul be slow as heck 19:13 Piggybear87 I have found quite a few for friggen MineCraft... But none for Minetest. 19:13 Piggybear87 Megaf, I could host if I wanted it slow. Lmao. 19:14 Megaf Piggybear87: just get a VPS 19:14 Piggybear87 About how much is one? 19:14 Piggybear87 Average* 19:14 Krock I host my server on an older laptop - in hopes for less voltage usage than newest ultra gaming pc 19:15 Piggybear87 Krock, My PC is a dumpster build. I have 2.70 ghz single core and <1 gb of DDR... 19:16 sfan5 Krock: less voltage use? what? 19:16 sfan5 do you mean energy? 19:16 Krock sfan5, right. watt. not volt 19:16 Krock Piggybear87, dual core 1.8 ghz, 2gb ram :) 19:17 Piggybear87 Yeah, exactly... Lol. 19:17 Krock (even better than the pc i'm playing mt on) lol i'm dump 19:17 Krock *dumb 19:17 sfan5 Piggybear87: https://www.digitalocean.com/ 19:17 sfan5 I've hears it's very good 19:17 sfan5 heard* 19:17 * sfan5 meows 19:18 Piggybear87 Ok, now I need a minimum of 20 bucks a month... Lol. 19:19 Jordach i can easily make that for myself, but others 19:19 Piggybear87 Lol or 640 bucks a month. 19:20 Piggybear87 $ 640 / mo 19:20 Piggybear87 64GBMemory 19:20 Piggybear87 20 CoreProcessor 19:20 Piggybear87 640GBSSD Disk 19:20 Piggybear87 9TBTransfer 19:20 Piggybear87 ... 19:20 sfan5 Piggybear87: the smallest digitalocean instace should be enough for a not-too-big minetest server 19:20 reactor 6pwned 19:20 Piggybear87 I hate you ShadowBot 19:21 Krock <3 ShadowBot 19:21 ShadowBot 04♥ Krock. 19:21 blaise Megaf: how? 19:22 reactor If you hate ShadowBot long, ShadowBot also hates you. 19:22 blaise Megaf: do I need lots of piping?? or will one do the job? 19:22 Piggybear87 " ? 20:09 sapier "top -H " 20:09 sapier we'd see what thread is overloading that cpu 20:09 sapier in case it is really minetest 20:11 Megaf sapier: not -h nor -H 20:11 Megaf usage: top -hv | -bcHiSs -d delay -n limit -u|U user | -p pid[,pid] -w [cols] 20:11 sapier busybox top? 20:12 Megaf ok, ServerThread uses almost 100% sometimes 20:12 Megaf just short peaks 20:12 Megaf at least now 20:13 Megaf ok, we need people to join the server and walk around 20:13 Megaf minetest.megaf.info 30003 20:13 sapier did you get top -H work? (or equivalent) 20:13 Megaf sapier: I just did top -H 20:13 sapier without pid? 20:14 Megaf yep 20:14 sapier and it does show all threads? 20:14 Megaf ConnectionSed ConnectionReic ServerThread 20:15 Megaf you know there are two kind of threads right? 20:15 sapier ok seems to ... I hate undocumented features, I once wrote a shell script to do this because of missing -H on android 20:15 Megaf theres one kind that is only on the kernel level, and cant be used on several CPUs 20:15 Megaf and the one that can be use in several CPUs 20:16 Megaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(computing)#Models 20:17 sapier linux is usually nptl 20:17 Megaf but it feels like minetest is user level 20:17 sapier thus each thread is supposed to be scheduled independently 20:18 sapier no 20:18 sapier you wouldn't see different threads in top -H 20:18 Megaf I see it switching cores yes 20:18 sapier and minetest is able to use different cores on pc 20:18 sapier so maybe we've got a architecture specific issue in your case 20:19 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99565/ 20:19 sapier what glibc is you pi running at? 20:19 Megaf sapier: my server where I complain about things is not a raspberry... 20:19 Megaf its an odroid, an ARM board with 4 ARM cores at 2,1 GHz 20:19 Megaf and 2 GB of DDR 3 RAM 20:20 sapier ok so arm android? 20:20 sapier odroid 20:20 sapier ok lets see what odroid is using 20:20 cisoun Calinou: o/ 20:21 sapier did you build against glibc or bionic? 20:21 Megaf no idea 20:24 Megaf VanessaE: do you still have those cmake pastes from yesterday? 20:27 Megaf sapier: does this tells anything? http://paste.debian.net/99392/ 20:28 sapier sadly no ... can you do a ldd 20:30 sapier ahh ... there's a parameter for pthread on android changeing how threads are scheduled, basicaly changing behaviour from kernel to user level threads 20:31 Calinou hi cisoun 20:31 sapier most likely you don't use glibc with nptl in your setup 20:31 Calinou cisoun, #minetest-fr 20:31 Megaf sapier: its not android... its Debian Wheezy 20:31 Calinou anyway, you can ask on the forum and on IRC about your graphic issue ;) 20:31 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99568/ 20:31 sapier thought you use odroid? 20:32 sapier ok /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf seems to be glibx 20:32 Megaf ok 20:33 Megaf sapier: odroid is a computer name, like presario or contura or mac pro, its brand is hardkernel 20:33 sapier well that does make my suggested explanation less likely but debian could've changed default too 20:33 Megaf odroid can run Fedora, Arch, Debian, Ubuntu and Android 20:34 Megaf Linux version 3.0.68 (karlo@karloh) (gcc version 4.7.3 20130102 (prerelease) (crosstool-NG linaro-1.13.1-4.7-2013.01-20130125 - Linaro GCC 2013.01) ) #1 SMP Mon Mar 18 17:45:18 PDT 2013 20:34 Megaf Linux version 3.0.68 (karlo@karloh) (gcc version 4.7.3 20130102 (prerelease) (crosstool-NG linaro-1.13.1-4.7-2013.01-20130125 - Linaro GCC 2013.01) ) #1 SMP Mon Mar 18 17:45:18 PDT 2013 20:35 sapier "Linux supports PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM, but not PTHREAD_SCOPE_PROCESS." well forget about my idea 20:37 Vazon VanessaE how do you gusy get a picture of your hole map? 20:37 Megaf Vazon: minetest-mapper-cpp 20:38 CraigyDavi Link: https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper 20:38 Vazon kk 20:39 Calinou Vazon, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8730 20:39 Calinou can be nice too 20:41 SoniEx2 is there a #minetest-modding or something? 20:41 Megaf yes 20:41 Megaf SoniEx2: its #Minetest 20:41 SoniEx2 oh? 20:42 SoniEx2 meh :/ 20:42 Amaz But it's mostly dead. #minetest-mods 20:42 SoniEx2 meh :/ 20:42 CraigyDavi SoniEx2, it's #minetest-mods 20:42 CraigyDavi ninja'd 20:42 Megaf SoniEx2: we talk about mods here 20:43 SoniEx2 what about writing mods? 20:44 SoniEx2 meh I'm gonna try both chans and see what happens 20:44 SoniEx2 I need a way to texture a cube/node based on the world around it 20:47 SoniEx2 and yeah, that's what this issue is about: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1299 21:01 SoniEx2 so anyone? 21:10 sapier SoniEx2: I assume PilzAdam did already say what was to say. it's a feature requireing lots of work to be done before you can even think about implementing it ... don't expect it to be done before 2016 (if you don't do it yourself or pay someone to do it of course) 21:11 SoniEx2 sapier, is there a workaround? 21:11 sapier no 21:11 zsoltisawesome to what? 21:11 SoniEx2 like registering over 9000 blocks or something? 21:11 sapier that's not a workaround but a way to kill your server ;-P 21:12 SoniEx2 meh :/ 21:12 sapier btw I assume some things have to be done by mod authors themselfs ;-) e.g. programm their mods ;-) 21:12 SoniEx2 is it that hard to make the rendering engine take a function instead of a string for textures? 21:13 SoniEx2 (where the function takes a world, a node, etc and returns a string) 21:13 sapier yes especially as of security point of view 21:13 SoniEx2 sapier, uhh why? 21:13 sapier sending executable code from server to client is a thing you have to think about more then twice prior implementing it 21:14 SoniEx2 sapier, and how is using a function that returns texture strings = sending code from server to client? 21:15 sapier how to ensure that only this function is sent? 21:15 sapier you could send anything else too 21:15 SoniEx2 you send the return string 21:15 SoniEx2 or error if it's not a string 21:15 zsoltisawesome anyone wanna be a Moontest dev? 21:16 sapier and why do you thing a function returning a string can't do something different prior returning a string? 21:16 SoniEx2 texture = function(...) return "texture.png" end 21:16 zsoltisawesome WindHero! 21:16 sapier that's useless as you could just do texture = "texture.png" too 21:16 SoniEx2 yeah 21:17 WindHero Hey! 21:17 SoniEx2 what about texture = function(node, world, ...) if node.connectedUp() then return "up.png" elseif node.connectedDown() then return "down.png" end end 21:17 SoniEx2 sapier, ^ 21:18 sapier if you can send this function you can send anything else too 21:18 SoniEx2 you're already sending texture strings 21:18 sapier those are not executed 21:18 SoniEx2 why not execute the function (on the server) 21:18 SoniEx2 and send the returned string or error if it's not a string? 21:19 sapier texture is a nodetype property 21:19 SoniEx2 eww 21:19 SoniEx2 it should be a node property 21:19 sapier no it shouldn't 21:19 SoniEx2 yes it should 21:19 sapier you wouldn't ever be able to save your map to disk 21:20 SoniEx2 ever heard of caching, dictionaries, etc? 21:20 SoniEx2 uhh actually I may be thinking of trees not dictionaries 21:20 SoniEx2 idk 21:20 SoniEx2 the thing compression uses 21:20 SoniEx2 also why would you store textures on disk? 21:21 SoniEx2 I mean... 21:21 sapier 64k*64k*64k nodes ... *15 bytes per texture * 6 sides .... 96 terrabytes of additional data 21:21 SoniEx2 just redraw everything 21:21 sapier -r 21:22 MegAFK blaise: ping 21:22 sapier I'm not talking about the textures but only about the node as you suggest texture to be a per node property ;-) 21:23 SoniEx2 uhh ok 21:23 SoniEx2 how about the server does the drawing/ 21:23 SoniEx2 ?* 21:23 sapier lol 21:23 WindHero just no... 21:24 sapier for how many clients do you believe server is able to render the view? and how much lag will transmitting that picture cause? 21:24 SoniEx2 also how about needing a mod on both the client and the server like you have to do with Minecraft? 21:24 WindHero Minetest DOES download mods to cache.... 21:24 sapier no it does not 21:24 WindHero :x 21:24 sapier mods are server side only 21:24 WindHero ohhhhhhhh 21:24 sapier their textures and models are downloaded to cache 21:25 sapier but no code 21:25 SoniEx2 meh 21:25 * WindHero quietly leaves the room 21:25 SoniEx2 just write a simple texture scripting language thingy 21:25 SoniEx2 or idk 21:26 sapier you're free to do so but I don't think your chances to get a own language in are pretty minor, we already did this mistake for gui and most likely wont do it again 21:26 sapier -don't 21:26 SoniEx2 do something like switch(someMetaData) { case 0: return "a" case 1: return "b" etc } 21:27 sapier try to find another way to do it I'll not support adding hacks for things like that 21:27 SoniEx2 I want my tanks to show the fluid levels inside, and I want my crates to show their connections 21:28 sapier then find a way to do it with the methods already available 21:28 SoniEx2 there's no way 21:28 SoniEx2 even something like a metaTexture table would be good enough 21:28 sapier then wait till 2016 (if you're lucky) ;-) 21:29 SoniEx2 like metaTexture = {metaName = {value1 = "texture string", value2 = "another texture", ...}} 21:29 SoniEx2 or something like that 21:30 sapier that doesn't change anything as you still need to change quite a lot of in core mechanisms and still need code to detect what texture to show ... and now matter what simple code we add it'll be too limited to be of generic use. 21:30 sapier not even talking about the possible performance issues 21:31 sapier well lets think about it maybe someone has a good idea, but right now there seem to be too many pieces missing 21:32 SoniEx2 I thought minetest was a good alternative to minecraft 21:32 SoniEx2 but it seems like nope 21:32 zsoltisawesome SoniEx2: It is if you know how to use it 21:32 SoniEx2 also multiblocks are cool 21:32 SoniEx2 but only if they have dynamic textures 21:33 SoniEx2 zsoltisawesome, I'm trying to find a way to do something, but it seems to be impossible in Minetest, so Minecraft does it better... 21:34 zsoltisawesome what are you trying to do? 21:34 sapier SoniEx2: you're free to use whatever you want ;-) 21:35 SoniEx2 zsoltisawesome, ok uhh I wanna change a node's texture based on the world around it (or metadata) 21:35 deltib the thing about minecraft is mods aren't exactly mods, they're patches 21:35 zsoltisawesome so, like a camera block? 21:35 zsoltisawesome deltib: +1 21:36 SoniEx2 zsoltisawesome, basically, I have about 10 different crate textures and I need a way to pick the right one so it "connects" to nearby crates 21:36 deltib anyone could crack open the minetest source code, and do any kind of extreme modding, but it would never be compatible with other minetest clients/servers 21:37 sapier SoniEx2 see mesecons/pipes they have almost same issue and found a way to do 21:40 sapier there's one thing that may be implemented within reasonable time, mesh nodes for those you may be able to set the animation frame ... but we have to fix various issues prior adding them too 21:43 SoniEx2 sapier, ok how can I do dynamic textures? 21:43 SoniEx2 I mean 21:43 SoniEx2 the texture stays the same pretty much 21:43 SoniEx2 I just want different palettes 21:43 deltib mesh nodes? you mean like, custom geometry? 21:43 SoniEx2 without hardcoding stuff 21:44 SoniEx2 (a thing Minecraft lets me do, btw) 21:44 sapier yes 21:45 sapier you can blend various textures if you're talking about this ... when did minecraft add a official mod api? 21:46 SoniEx2 no official one 21:46 SoniEx2 but forge lets me do it 21:46 sapier well you can take our code and write whatever you want to write in it ;-) 21:47 SoniEx2 I can load custom palettes and make a texture with that and send it to the GPU and do whatever I want with it 21:47 sapier you cant do anything with gpu in a mod per definition 21:47 SoniEx2 why not? 21:47 sapier a mod is server side only 21:47 SoniEx2 no that's a plugin 21:47 sapier no 21:48 SoniEx2 yes 21:48 sapier no 21:48 SoniEx2 yes 21:48 SoniEx2 Minecraft plugins are server-side only 21:48 sapier well then try to use a minetest mod on your client and see the result 21:48 SoniEx2 Minecraft mods can be either client-side only or both 21:48 sapier this isn't minecraft but minetest 21:49 sapier and in minetest a mod is server side only no matter how often you want it not to be that way ;-P 21:49 SoniEx2 in Minecraft you can have nice stuff that works 21:49 SoniEx2 in Minetest you can only have stuff that works 21:49 SoniEx2 it can't look nice 21:49 SoniEx2 can you fix that? 21:49 sapier well why did you even come here if minecraft is that good? 21:49 SoniEx2 Minecraft isn't open 21:50 sapier ok then this is your first lesson about open software, big changes take time and can't be demanded 21:50 SoniEx2 also being able to send hand-crafted images would be a good feature 21:50 SoniEx2 sure I could just write it all to a temp folder or something but I'm not sure if you provide filesystem access... 21:51 sapier but the difference to minecraft is you can spend your own time to reduce the time your feature is implemented 21:52 sapier SoniEx2: minetest is different from minecraft, don't expect it to do everything same way, most is possible but has to be done different 21:52 SoniEx2 do I have filesystem access? 21:52 sapier but no you can't create textures in mt otf as minetest transmitts textures on client init and doesn't provide a way to add them at runtime 21:53 sapier not to client 21:53 SoniEx2 to server 21:53 SoniEx2 so I can make the textures during init 21:53 sapier maybe 21:53 SoniEx2 not sure how it would work cross mod tho... 21:53 jin_xi yes, use perlin noise and generate all the textures 21:54 SoniEx2 does minetest support mod loading priorities? 21:54 SoniEx2 like after:somemod or before:somemod 21:55 sapier mods have dependncys 21:55 SoniEx2 or not even that? 21:56 sapier so one way only 21:56 SoniEx2 so you can't setup mods to load before my mod so they can register stuff with minetest so my mod can see the stuff during init? 21:57 sapier what didn't you understand about dependencys? 21:57 sapier I suggest reading lua_api.txt first ;-) 21:57 sapier if mod A depends on mod B mod B is obviously loaded PRIOR mod A 21:57 SoniEx2 forge dependencies let you do before:mod or after:mod 21:58 sapier come on throw away all your knowlede about how it was and start reading how it IS 21:58 sapier minetest is different 21:58 SoniEx2 and unless you add an init_textures that happens after init it won't really work 21:59 SoniEx2 or idk register a message handler or something 21:59 SoniEx2 so that mods can send me messages during init 21:59 sapier read doc and use the mechanisms available prior requesting everything to be changed the way you want it 22:00 SoniEx2 I'm not requestion everything to be changed 22:00 SoniEx2 I'm asking for a workaround 22:00 sapier well sounds like 22:00 zsoltisawesome brb 22:00 SoniEx2 or if that's not possible THEN I want it to be changed 22:00 sapier well if you'd ask for a car to be able to fly you wont get a quick solution too 22:02 SoniEx2 can you register things to send stuff around between mods? 22:02 sapier you don't have to send things between mods 22:03 sapier how much do you know about lua? 22:03 sapier all mods are in same namespace so if you define a global function in one mod you can use it in another 22:04 sapier and mods don't have their own live at all 22:04 Exio4 SoniEx2: all the people here is here because they want to be, in minecraft you're paying for a game and somehow the support and features and so on is why "you get what you want" 22:04 Exio4 here it is "we get what we do" 22:05 SoniEx2 if the engine was LuaJIT and OpenGL powered this would be way easier for me to do 22:05 sapier well it's time for me to go SoniEx2 I suggest reading a book about lua, read lua_api.txt look at some mods, and then just try different things, by now almost everyone found a way to do 22:06 SoniEx2 sapier, I don't need a book about Lua 22:06 sapier ok good then you've already completed the most time consuming task 22:07 SoniEx2 I need a book about C .-. 22:07 SoniEx2 (and C++) 22:08 EvergreenTree PilzAdam recommended one to me 22:08 EvergreenTree I forget what It's called 22:08 * EvergreenTree pokes PilzAdam 22:08 PilzAdam I did? 22:09 EvergreenTree Yes 22:09 EvergreenTree You said it was perfect for trees 22:09 PilzAdam http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C_Programming ? 22:09 zsoltisawesome harhar 22:11 EvergreenTree I think that was it 22:11 SoniEx2 what about C++? 22:11 zsoltisawesome Hmm 22:12 zsoltisawesome http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C++_Programming maybe? :P 22:12 EvergreenTree Once you know c, learning c++ isn't difficult 22:21 Exio4 lol, a C book for trees 22:24 FreeFull If I was to write a new minetest, I'd do it in Rust 22:24 Vazon ok so im not used to the new forum setup, how do you add spoilers? 22:25 Exio4 EvergreenTree: C++ isn't worth anyone's time though 22:26 Vazon nevermind xD 22:27 * VanessaE is back 22:27 VanessaE hi hi 22:27 Vazon Wb Vanessa 22:27 VanessaE (so much for only being gone an hour :P ) 22:27 zsoltisawesome VanessaE: Yay! 22:28 VanessaE :) 22:28 Vazon lol 22:30 Vazon ... well isnt that just crappy 22:31 VanessaE ? 22:31 zsoltisawesome anyone have alot of time on there hands? 22:31 Vazon ether windows hates me or a nasty virus go to my computer 22:31 VanessaE where hands? 22:31 * VanessaE kicks zsoltisawesome's ass for misusing there/their/they're 22:31 Vazon i cnat access my files on this computer and my control panel is empty 22:31 VanessaE Vazon: windows hates everyone :) 22:32 zsoltisawesome VanessaE: lol 22:32 Vazon VanessaE: indeed it does 22:32 EvergreenTree and yet some people seem to get by with it 22:32 EvergreenTree Windows: You may like it, but it doesn't like you... 22:32 zsoltisawesome Lol 22:33 WindHero this is true 22:33 EvergreenTree If I could get a dollar every time someone said "lol" without actually doing so irl, I would be a rich tree 22:34 EvergreenTree 22:34 VanessaE linux hates everyone too, it just hates everyone a little less :) 22:34 WindHero haha 22:34 EvergreenTree True 22:34 EvergreenTree and mac on the other hand... 22:35 VanessaE mac hates everyone, but it hates rich folks the least :) 22:35 * VanessaE ducks 22:35 EvergreenTree lol 22:36 * VanessaE wonders if the above 'lol' was a real one ;) 22:36 EvergreenTree And for the record, I actually laughed that time 22:36 zsoltisawesome haha 22:37 zsoltisawesome http://www.fast-files.com/getfile.aspx?file=73636 <--- write something like this 22:37 Vazon hahaha i win stupid windows i have one this time >:) 22:37 * Vazon feels accompished 22:38 zsoltisawesome BTW, you might need this: http://www.fast-files.com/getfile.aspx?file=73637 22:39 zsoltisawesome EvergreenTree: a tree laughing? how does that sound? 22:39 EvergreenTree I have no idea actually 22:39 EvergreenTree trees hear differently then humans 22:41 zsoltisawesome EvergreenTree: where were you planted? 22:41 EvergreenTree somewhere in the midwest of the usa 22:41 Vazon why you no connect with linux computers windows (-).(-) 22:41 FreeFull EvergreenTree: Is a rich tree a tree that rich people grow on? 22:41 EvergreenTree yep 22:41 EvergreenTree :3 22:42 zsoltisawesome lol 22:42 Vazon FreeFull: no its not its just a tree thats to high for poor people to climb to get the money on it 22:42 EvergreenTree that too 22:44 EvergreenTree I seriously have no idea where these discussions comw from 22:44 EvergreenTree Hi OldCoder 22:44 EvergreenTree I think someone should make a compilation of the best ones from the irc log 22:45 OldCoder EvergreenTree, Hi 22:45 Vazon Hi OldCoder 22:45 OldCoder Vazon, Hello. I don't think we've talked. Pleased to meet you. 22:46 Vazon Yes it is, but you was going to do something for me a few months ago and im sorry we wasted your time back then, btw i ran the Minerealms server you was going to host a few months ago. 22:53 Vazon man this sucks :| i hate having to look at all those old post after i shut down the server , it makes me feel like absolute crap :'( 23:02 zat Who knows/devel v7 mapgen here? 23:03 Exio4 h.m.m.m.m 23:03 Exio4 take dots out \o/ 23:03 zsoltisawesome Jordach does.. 23:03 zsoltisawesome and Amaz does too 23:05 zat uh, the rivers have disappeared from my map... and I dont know how to get them back. :S 23:07 zsoltisawesome are you using v7? 23:12 zat yes 23:13 zsoltisawesome is there grass? 23:13 zsoltisawesome and dirt? 23:13 zat everything 23:13 zat except rivers 23:14 zsoltisawesome hmm, odd 23:14 zat grass, dirt, snow, trees, jungles, caves, all... 23:14 zsoltisawesome using a mod? 23:14 zat many 23:14 zsoltisawesome that makes v7 not just stone? 23:15 zsoltisawesome because v7 is normally just stone 23:17 zat I added a lua file on default mod to make the v7 biomes 23:17 zat ok... it was because of using freeminer instead of minetes 23:17 zsoltisawesome ah 23:18 zat they bring different versions of v7 I guess 23:29 Vazon Wb Megaf 23:30 Megaf Thanks Vazon 23:30 Megaf Hi all 23:36 Vazon your welcome 23:39 Megaf Vazon: Hows your server doing tonight? 23:44 OldCoder kaeza, hi 23:44 kaeza *yawn* hai 23:45 zat Now I just have to find out how to make a mineral less common 23:45 zat how would you make a ore of type sheet to spawn less dense? 23:45 zsoltisawesome go and edit mapgen.lua 23:45 zsoltisawesome (i think) 23:47 zat I have been on that yes 23:47 zat The type is sheet, though I dont know what params for the noise can make it less dense. 23:47 zat if any is supposed to do that though... 23:54 Vazon its great had a little lag but that is because we have like 15 players and it got hot so i have a fan on it right now but other wise the lag is staying around .9 23:54 Vazon OldCoder can i talk to you? 23:55 OldCoder Sure; PM 23:55 OldCoder I have PMd 23:55 OldCoder Vazon, ^ 23:57 Vazon sorry long message lol 23:58 Megaf zat: Hey 23:58 Megaf zat: minetest/games/mods/default/ 23:59 Megaf zat: there you will find the files to edit you minerals 23:59 Megaf ^ zsoltisawesome 23:59 zat yes I have already Megaf lol 23:59 Megaf heh 23:59 Megaf ok, 23:59 Megaf did it work? 23:59 zat I just cant figure which option makes a mineral be less dense when spawned