Time  Nick             Message
00:11 Jordach          klick klack
00:11 Jordach          system fan removed
00:13 Jordach          EvergreenTree, HOLY SHIT
00:13 EvergreenTree    hm?
00:13 Jordach          i found a mountain in the world we were in made of stone
00:13 Jordach          AND IT'S FUCKING OIL
00:14 EvergreenTree    lol
00:50 BlockMen         night everyone
00:54 EvergreenTree    g'night everyone
01:00 lemon            what "Congestion control parameters" in minetest.conf do?
01:06 Jordach          lolwat
01:06 Jordach          i'm up longer than evergreen and he's in the US
07:06 MinetestBot      GIT: maciej.kasatkin@yahoo.com commited to minetest/minetest: Bugfix: make waypoints respect camera offset 6f511b1d05 2014-05-05T09:03:37+02:00 http://git.io/DSEYlg
07:40 RealBadAngel     Unified Inventory is updated with waypoints support
07:40 RealBadAngel     ofc for that feature you will need up to date game
07:43 RealBadAngel     http://i.imgur.com/6VAtiUW.png
07:48 VanessaE         and dreambuilder is updated to follow.
07:48 VanessaE         build  20140505-0343
08:32 * whiskers75     hugs VanessaE
08:44 VanessaE         hi
08:55 CWz              there's a server on the server list that is "lying" about it's user count
08:55 whiskers75       which one?
08:56 CWz              Eternal Deadly Christmas
08:56 doge             514/515  o.o
10:17 crazyR           is there anyway to change an abm interval dynamicly?
10:30 whiskers75       sfan5, meow
11:39 Jordach          morning
11:51 Jordach          finally! (fixed TBM so it's not a sub repo anymore)
11:53 Jordach          basically, git rm -rf --force * && git add * && git commit -m "commit"
12:39 whiskers75       hi Jordach
12:39 whiskers75       http://gfycat.com/FormalPaltryAmericanindianhorse :D
13:23 Megaf            Hi
13:24 FreeFull         Heya
13:28 tuorwork         have minetest redstone?
13:29 nore             see mesecons
13:29 nore             tuorwork, ^
13:30 Megaf            tuorwork: yep, It's even cooler than redstone
13:30 Megaf            more complete
13:30 Megaf            you can actually program microcontrollers
13:30 Megaf            and make the server totally unresponsive
13:30 Megaf            :P
13:30 tuorwork         Megaf: wow
13:31 Megaf            tuorwork: yes, mesecons are quite powerful
13:31 Megaf            there are some cool logic gates
13:31 Megaf            and some simpler ones
13:31 Megaf            like diodes and not gate
13:31 tuorwork         how can i have a look how minetest function? "like this is minetest"
13:31 Megaf            hm
13:31 tuorwork         diods. nice
13:31 nore             you can visit VanessaE's server if you want to see that...
13:31 Megaf            or my server?
13:31 nore             you can see quite a lot there
13:32 Megaf            I have pipeworks, digilines, mesecons
13:32 nore             well, the simplest thing is to visit a server
13:32 Megaf            tuorwork: hold on
13:32 tuorwork         but this evening not now.. ;)
13:32 Megaf            tuorwork: this is Mesecons http://mesecons.net/
13:33 Megaf            and pipeworks are really cool too vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/
13:34 nore             the video is quite old though
13:34 Megaf            Those are mods for minetest
13:34 Megaf            yay! 0 players on my server
13:35 Megaf            ~up minetest.megaf.info 30003
13:35 tuorwork         ok so i'll see this evening if i can join a server to watch how it looks.
13:35 ShadowBot        Megaf: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (610ms)
13:35 Megaf            tuorwork: I will be happy and guiding you
13:35 Megaf            in guiding*
13:36 Megaf            tuorwork: just be around in 7 hours
13:38 tuorwork         UTC?
13:38 tuorwork         MEZ?
13:39 Megaf            tuorwork: 7 hours from now
13:39 Megaf            tuorwork: 16 hours UTC 0
13:41 Megaf            tuorwork: be around at 16:00 UTC
13:42 tuorwork         Megaf: ok, ill be on the way but ~16:30 UTC I-ll online again.. :)
13:45 asie             refactoring my gate implementation into an API for easily adding gates
13:46 Jordach          hey asie
13:46 Jordach          walking to the shop this morning, and i can easily majorly refactor the tanks and jukebox
13:46 Jordach          but i'm not bothering, in case it fucks up :)
13:48 Wooldoor         Hi guys... Do you use WorldEdit GUI on your server?
13:50 zsoltisawesome_  hi sfan5!
13:52 PilzAdam         Hello everyone!
13:52 Megaf            Hi PilzAdam
13:52 Megaf            Wooldoor: I don't
13:52 Megaf            I rather use commands only
13:52 Wooldoor         Hi Pilzadam!
13:54 Wooldoor         How come, Megaf?
13:54 Wooldoor         I mean, so far I only used commands too. But I wanted to try GUI
13:55 Wooldoor         Unfortunately I can't get it to work. It shows up, but when I click the buttons nothing happens.
13:55 zsoltisawesome_  sad
13:56 zsoltisawesome_  Wooldoor? :D
13:56 Wooldoor         Don't be sad zsoltiawesome_
13:57 Megaf            Wooldoor: you need to select the area first
13:57 Megaf            Doing a //pos1 for example
13:58 Wooldoor         Thanks, Megaf, but not even the 'About' button works
13:58 zsoltisawesome_  its broken! broken, i tell you!
13:58 zsoltisawesome_  :P
13:58 Wooldoor         That might be the reason, zsoltiawesome_
13:59 zsoltisawesome_  is it lua code?
13:59 Wooldoor         Uh yes
13:59 zsoltisawesome_  lol
13:59 zsoltisawesome_  is it on the forum
14:00 zsoltisawesome_  i just got here
14:00 zsoltisawesome_  :P
14:00 Megaf            Wooldoor: Anyway, I just disabled the GUI thing
14:00 Megaf            in my world.mt file
14:01 Wooldoor         yeah, I might have to Megaf
14:01 Megaf            "10:40:56: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: cerfsquare399 supplied empty password"
14:01 Megaf            Why you no use password?
14:01 zsoltisawesome_  Wooldoor: <Jordach> Calinou, the "," in Lua, world champion at hide and seek
14:02 zsoltisawesome_  ^from logs
14:03 asie             http://paste.ubuntu.com/7398812/
14:03 asie             this is what the API currently looks like
14:03 asie             textures are all mesegates_[name]_0.png and _1.png, the side and bottom is unified
14:03 asie             i will also rework it into a few helper functions
14:04 zsoltisawesome_  asie: pretty cool!
14:04 asie             it's nice as I will easily be able to easily define every single gate i wanted to define
14:05 asie             and I wrote the API in a way that will let me add features to gates later
14:05 asie             such as RedPower2-esque blocking of certain input sides
14:05 zsoltisawesome_  WHO says polio is coming back :O
14:08 zsoltisawesome_  Krock!
14:08 Krock            hello
14:09 zsoltisawesome_  Jordach: Github for windows 8 is quite... white
14:09 zsoltisawesome_  is there a dark color scheme?
14:11 sfan5            meow
14:11 sfan5            hi everyone
14:11 asie             how does texture overlapping work in minetest's API?
14:11 asie             as i want to finally make use of it
14:11 * sfan5          puts a kitten on whiskers75's head
14:12 sfan5            asie: overlapping?
14:12 asie             sfan5: as in putting textures one on top of another
14:12 asie             i heard that is possible
14:12 zsoltisawesome_  like this: 	tiles = {"default_stone.png^default_mineral_coal.png"},
14:12 asie             i see
14:12 sfan5            !g texture modifiers "minetest" site:github.com
14:12 MinetestBot      sfan5: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/207
14:12 zsoltisawesome_  lol
14:14 zsoltisawesome_  lol I am now µCarrot
14:15 microcarrot      アイ・アム・エイ・スペイスマン!
14:15 Wooldoor         omg I can't believe it. It was my client
14:15 microcarrot      what!
14:15 sfan5            asie: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/tile.cpp#L1038-1452 look there
14:16 sfan5            microcarrot: にゃん～！
14:16 asie             sfan5: that is absolutely amazing
14:16 asie             ...japanese
14:16 asie             i should get back to learning it
14:16 asie             not modding minetest
14:16 microcarrot      yes
14:16 microcarrot      lol
14:16 microcarrot      katakana FTW
14:17 sfan5            ^ meow
14:17 asie             sfan5: i noticed.
14:17 asie             i managed to learn hiragana and start learning katakana and then minetest.
14:18 sfan5            the katakana are very similar to the hiragana
14:18 microcarrot      sfan5: ミーアウ
14:18 asie             my main thing i find lacking in minetest is
14:18 asie             there is no ability to dynamically change the texture, or is there?
14:18 microcarrot      nope
14:18 sfan5            of nodes, no
14:18 asie             i always wondered how signs_lib pulls it off
14:18 microcarrot      textures are loaded at start
14:18 sfan5            but you can dynamically change textures of entities
14:19 asie             microcarrot: not what i mean
14:19 asie             i mean out of textures loaded at start
14:19 asie             sfan5: i see!
14:19 sfan5            microcarrot: writing german words with katakana does not make much sense
14:20 microcarrot      hm?
14:20 microcarrot      meow?
14:20 microcarrot      i think not that is a german word^
14:20 sfan5            miau is german for meow
14:21 microcarrot      lol
14:21 microcarrot      http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/e2k.cgi
14:21 microcarrot      helpful
14:21 nore             asie, about signs_lib: it stacks a lot of textures (one for each character)
14:22 tuorwork         someone speaks german/french?
14:22 microcarrot      sfan5, PenguinDad, etc.
14:22 nore             tuorwork, I speak french
14:22 tuorwork         oh nice.
14:23 * sfan5          throws a 世界 at microcarrot
14:23 Krock            what's better from MB/quality? mp3 or ogg?
14:24 sfan5            ogg
14:24 microcarrot      you throw a world at me? ouch
14:24 microcarrot      +1
14:24 Krock            ok th
14:24 Krock            x
14:24 sfan5            microcarrot: I didn't specify how big it is
14:24 sfan5            Krock: opus is even better
14:24 sfan5            but you don't usually measure such things in quality/MB
14:24 microcarrot      sfan5: lol
14:25 Krock            sfan5, opus? that's a music group
14:25 Krock            </noob>
14:25 microcarrot      time to update the moontest forum post, #necrobumping
14:25 PenguinDad       much noob
14:25 Krock            many noob
14:25 microcarrot      such noob
14:27 microcarrot      damn, how to strikethrough on phpBB?
14:29 sfan5            Krock: http://opus-codec.org/
14:30 Krock            sfan5, when I look at the changelog, then it ssems like this has potential to beat mp3 :3
14:31 Krock            *in popularity
14:31 microcarrot      yay!
14:31 PenguinDad       sadly minetest doesn't have opus support :/
14:32 microcarrot      what is the deadline for ubuntuone?
14:32 microcarrot      like to pull your files?
14:33 Krock            microcarrot, does [del]blah balhtext[/del] work?
14:33 microcarrot      hmm
14:33 microcarrot      ope
14:33 microcarrot      *nope
14:35 PenguinDad       :C
14:35 microcarrot      what
14:36 microcarrot      yay!
14:36 microcarrot      moontest get!
14:37 microcarrot      lol: "C:\Users\Zsolt\Downloads\This\folder\is\very\buried"
14:40 microcarrot      achievement get: such mod
14:44 microcarrot      erm: "Firefox can't find the server at www.mediarcru.sh."
14:45 microcarrot      well crap
14:45 microcarrot      Dropbox hates Tor, Mediacrush is broken, I have no way to upload screenshots!
14:49 PenguinDad       microcarrot: Imgur
14:49 microcarrot      Imgur doesn't respect privacy, that's why i dont use it
14:50 microcarrot      i'm mad at Tor
14:50 microcarrot      it won't let me access my 20GB dropbox!
14:50 PenguinDad       Dopebox doesn't respect privacy too
14:50 PenguinDad       *dropbox
14:50 microcarrot      they do a little better, but still
14:50 microcarrot      ah!
14:50 microcarrot      i knoww
14:51 microcarrot      MEGA is the solution!
14:52 microcarrot      i hope MEGA is Tor-tolerant
14:52 PenguinDad       Yotta is better :P
14:52 microcarrot      in what way?
14:52 Krock            mediafire.
14:53 microcarrot      FUCK Mediafire!
14:53 Krock            why?
14:53 microcarrot      Ads are annoying
14:53 Krock            get ad blocker
14:53 microcarrot      i do
14:53 microcarrot      MEGA is better
14:53 Krock            Get a better ad blocker
14:53 microcarrot      encrypted!
14:54 Krock            go into darknet and publish there your criminal photos
14:55 microcarrot      hmm?
14:56 Krock            aagh why are automatically all topic subsriped when I post something?
14:56 Krock            spam alert
14:57 microcarrot      change your phpBB user settings
14:57 microcarrot      :P
14:57 Krock            Manage subscriptions -> Mark all -> Unwatch marked -> Wow that easy
14:58 microcarrot      lol
14:58 Krock            fu... 2nd page
14:58 microcarrot      #lag
14:58 microcarrot      lol
14:59 microcarrot      that acually exsists
14:59 microcarrot      XD
14:59 Krock            sfan5, Manage attachments -> Mark all -> Delete marked -> Do the mods really want that easy-made-delete-on-ragequit-feature?
14:59 Mikerhinos       hi
15:00 Krock            hi sonihrekiM
15:00 microcarrot      Hi kcorK
15:01 microcarrot      k cork XD
15:01 PenguinDad       EHLO Mikerhinos.local
15:02 sfan5            microcarrot: mediacru.sh not mediarcru.sh
15:03 microcarrot      fail
15:04 sfan5            microcarrot: >Dropbox hates Tor
15:04 sfan5            umm
15:04 sfan5            are you using tor?
15:04 microcarrot      sfan5: yus
15:04 microcarrot      why?
15:04 sfan5            that is not a good idea
15:04 microcarrot      why?
15:05 sfan5            it is not a good idea to log into any service over tor (without being sure that you're using TLS)
15:05 sfan5            the exit node can steal all your data
15:05 PenguinDad       microcarrot: if you are using mediacrush over tor you should use the hidden service
15:06 microcarrot      hmm
15:06 PilzAdam         because fuck privacy, thats why
15:07 microcarrot      PilzAdam: *fuck you
15:07 Krock            ^- wtfy
15:08 * PenguinDad     tries to find the wwan wire
15:13 fluffy_          hi??
15:14 Krock            bye.
15:14 microcarrot      ;p;
15:14 Krock            lol
15:14 microcarrot      lol
15:14 microcarrot      there isn't much to take pictures of on the moon XD
15:16 microcarrot      erm
15:16 microcarrot      lol
15:16 microcarrot      i accedentally am trying to upload minetest.exe to mediacrush
15:16 microcarrot      XD
15:16 Krock            EXE FOR THE WIN
15:17 microcarrot      yes
15:17 microcarrot      APP FOR THE MAC
15:17 microcarrot      XD
15:17 microcarrot      https://mediacru.sh/BN8GBNadMoU7
15:17 sfan5            !title
15:17 MinetestBot      sfan5: MediaCrush
15:18 microcarrot      :O
15:18 microcarrot      no way!
15:19 Krock            MinetestBot, you failed.
15:19 Krock            Title is MediaCrush (800x600)
15:19 microcarrot      :O
15:19 microcarrot      asie!
15:20 asie             hi
15:20 PenguinDad       Krock: it's just MediaCrush for me
15:20 microcarrot      would you like to be put down as a contributer to moontest?
15:21 sfan5            Krock: the (800x600) is added by javascript
15:21 Krock            PenguinDad, sfan5, ok. JavaScript for the win then.
15:21 sfan5            no
15:21 sfan5            Javascript is bad
15:21 sfan5            very bad
15:21 microcarrot      yes
15:21 microcarrot      ECMAScript is better
15:21 microcarrot      :P
15:22 Krock            It's useful is many visual cases but it has too much holes at all
15:22 sfan5            both are shit
15:22 microcarrot      sfan5: lol
15:23 microcarrot      javascript ========== ECMAScript
15:24 microcarrot      PenguinDad: Firefox can't find the server at mediacrs5ujufxog.onion.
15:24 Krock            microcarrot, much equvalent.
15:24 sfan5            microcarrot: then you aren't using tor
15:24 microcarrot      i am
15:24 sfan5            no you aren't
15:24 microcarrot      its portator
15:24 sfan5            are you using your main browser?
15:24 microcarrot      yes
15:25 microcarrot      FF doesn't know its tor
15:25 sfan5            (what the fuck)
15:25 microcarrot      it thinks its a proxy server
15:25 sfan5            you need to configure every program for it to use tor
15:25 sfan5            it won't do that automatically
15:25 microcarrot      i know
15:25 microcarrot      its set to use tor
15:25 sfan5            yeah, you did not do that for firefox
15:25 Krock            microcarrot, better use tor brower
15:25 sfan5            otherwise it would find the server
15:26 sfan5            also if you leave flash/java/etc. enabled someone could easily get your real IP
15:26 microcarrot      TorBrowser is the equivilent to 60 addons + firefox
15:26 microcarrot      fucking slow
15:27 sfan5            (what the fuck)
15:27 sfan5            it's so slow because you can't expect good speeds from the tor network
15:27 microcarrot      what?
15:27 PenguinDad       hmmm… it's not slow for me
15:27 microcarrot      i guess it doesn't like Minetest and firefox
15:28 sfan5            what doesn't like minetest?
15:28 PenguinDad       you can't use minetest over tor -.-
15:28 microcarrot      TorBrowser
15:28 microcarrot      no shit
15:28 sfan5            uhh
15:28 microcarrot      i have 2gb of ram
15:28 sfan5            what are your proxy settings for the browser you currently use?
15:28 sfan5            and?
15:29 microcarrot      SOCKS proxy: localhost:9050
15:29 microcarrot      ^tor
15:29 microcarrot      lol
15:29 microcarrot      TorBrowser is an idiot
15:30 Krock            IE 1.0 is an idiot
15:30 sfan5            ???
15:30 microcarrot      its all "I don't want to use the already running tor.exe, i will launch a new one, and make it so i can't load pages!"
15:30 Krock            since when can things be idiots?
15:30 Krock            programs only do what you tell them
15:30 microcarrot      :/
15:31 microcarrot      i didn't tell it to launch Tor twice
15:31 asie             http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399288/
15:32 asie             is the API clear enough yet?
15:32 sfan5            yes
15:32 microcarrot      yes
15:32 asie             let's do a similar one for XOR
15:32 asie             also, i will add two more fields
15:32 asie             min_inputs and max_inputs
15:33 microcarrot      yay!
15:33 microcarrot      #gates
15:34 PenguinDad       #torvalds :p
15:34 asie             http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399317/
15:34 asie             #stallman
15:36 sfan5            this is not twitter
15:36 * Krock          tweets
15:37 asie             http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399330/ <- NAND gate!
15:37 asie             has another function from the API there, too
15:38 Krock            horray?
15:38 microcarrot      lol
15:38 microcarrot      i just registered all of those channels
15:38 microcarrot      :P
15:39 microcarrot      i have like 20 channels on freenode registered
15:39 PenguinDad       I just have seen a rat dying in nyancat rainbows
15:39 microcarrot      lol
15:40 microcarrot      we should make rainbows have lava physics
15:40 microcarrot      they KILL YOU!
15:42 microcarrot      gonna make tac nayn
15:42 microcarrot      such fucking annoying! http://www.nyan.cat/tacnayn
15:44 Krock            microcarrot, minetest needs this.
15:45 microcarrot      i'm making
15:45 microcarrot      :D
15:45 microcarrot      will even have the music, i think
15:45 microcarrot      http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/822/4921/original.jpg
15:46 sfan5            https://pp.vk.me/c607929/v607929263/624e/K6NMxz0Cj7U.jpg
15:46 microcarrot      lol
15:46 microcarrot      Dogebear
15:46 microcarrot      XD
15:48 microcarrot      "Caution: MEGA's cryptographic security model depends on the confidentiality of the keys displayed above. Avoid transmitting them through insecure channels! "
15:48 * microcarrot    thinks of #insecure
15:48 microcarrot      :P
15:50 PenguinDad       better call it #mega-insecure :þ
15:51 microcarrot      lol
15:51 * Krock          got 1010 posts, then 1011, then 1100 <-- NOT :(
15:53 Krock            Wow..my most active post evaar... a game.
15:54 asie             okay
15:54 asie             time to rewrite mesegates to allow you to block off sides
16:05 PilzAdam         lol, BSD user spotted https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=140637#p140637
16:05 Krock            bsd = linux for me
16:06 * PilzAdam       replaces Krock's head with a working version
16:06 PilzAdam         what did you say?
16:06 * Krock          wonders where PilzAdam got it from
16:06 Krock            hey
16:07 Krock            PilzAdam: Krock.Calc(BSD === LINUX) = true
16:07 PilzAdam         hmmm.. seems still broken
16:07 Krock            lol
16:07 * PilzAdam       removes the head
16:08 PilzAdam         I'll wait for the tech department to send a working version
16:08 PilzAdam         (sfan5 is the tech department)
16:10 microcarrot      Ah!
16:10 microcarrot      BUG!
16:10 microcarrot      no ores are spawning, my fault
16:10 microcarrot      i haven't coded it XD
16:10 * Krock          needs help. ERROR_HEAD_EXE_NOT_FOUND
16:11 * microcarrot    gives Krock my brother's head
16:11 microcarrot      *his
16:11 Krock            oink oink
16:11 Krock            oink
16:11 microcarrot      lol
16:11 * Krock          takes the head off
16:12 PilzAdam         john_minetest, yea sure, lim x->inf (e ^ x) = 0
16:12 * microcarrot    gives Krock K_Rock.head.exe
16:12 Krock            ~give Krock HEAD_EXE
16:12 ShadowBot        Krock: <HEAD_EXE>
16:12 Krock            :)
16:13 Krock            lol "3) I'm British, what do you expect? Some clever dude from, idk... Switzerland????" -e-arif
16:14 asie             okay, i'm almost done adding RP2-esque toggleable input sides to my gates
16:16 Krock            what's ELF?
16:16 Krock            ..a binary
16:17 Krock            .COM ftw!
16:17 microcarrot      john_minetest: or ObeseELF :P
16:18 Krock            old 7.3 ms-dos wise
16:18 microcarrot      Krock: .ini FTW
16:18 Krock            microcarrot, ini doesn't mean "I'm aNother bInary"
16:19 microcarrot      lol
16:19 microcarrot      .app FTW
16:20 Krock            Holy, A Rare, Dark Whisky I aRound thE Dolfins
16:20 Krock            uh so cretive
16:20 Krock            H.A.R.D.W.I.R.E.D
16:20 Krock            *Is
16:23 microcarrot      hmm
16:25 microcarrot      hmm
16:26 microcarrot      https://mega.co.nz/#!aJUBEJTA!LyZdcbIUHcundV2zAyOxSgKDW_YJoUi2dZg0DHh98A4
16:26 microcarrot      ^old mod of mine
16:30 microcarrot      Calinou!
16:30 Calinou          hi
16:30 Calinou          microcarrot, hello zsoltisawesome.
16:30 * Calinou        gives zsoltisawesome a microcarrot
16:30 microcarrot      yum
16:32 PenguinDad       microcarrot: you forgot the sudo ;)
16:32 microcarrot      lol
16:32 microcarrot      sudo yum
16:32 microcarrot      amazing: http://youtu.be/hubBBzh_190?t=1m31s
16:33 tuorwork         Megaf: hey, i installed it. (debian)
16:34 microcarrot      oh my gosh
16:35 microcarrot      http://youtu.be/ZD3O6FFKowI?t=1m11s
16:42 Krock            omg hat the co
16:42 Krock            w
16:42 Krock            http://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?t=10s
16:46 microcarrot      Bump!
16:46 Krock            !Pmub
16:47 microcarrot      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5305
16:47 Calinou          added modified no_guests to Carbone
16:47 Calinou          (disallows Guest, Admin and all-numeric names)
16:48 zsoltisawesome_  damn
16:48 Krock            Calinou, in hope to get servers with this? :3
16:48 zsoltisawesome_  that name
16:48 zsoltisawesome_  Car Bone
16:48 zsoltisawesome_  XD
16:49 Calinou          Krock, server administration should be powerful and fool -proof
16:49 Calinou          :P
16:49 Krock            john_minetest, srsly? :(
16:49 Calinou          john_minetest, play AssaultCube! it has GEMA!
16:49 Calinou          </AssaultCube jokes>
16:49 Calinou          (“gema” maps are maps where players must do trick jumping in order to finish)
16:49 Calinou          it's poorly regarded by the developers
16:49 Calinou          so they nerf stuff so that people don't do it, but thankfully, it still exists
16:49 Krock            Googl EM All
16:50 zsoltisawesome_  lol
16:51 Krock            zsoltisawesome_, which #moontest? there are over 9000 IRC servers
16:51 lordcirth        Krock, there is a #moontest here on freenode
16:52 Krock            lordcirth, ik but it must be DAU compatible
16:52 Calinou          DAU?
16:52 asie             guys
16:52 asie             can I get an award?
16:52 asie             http://gfycat.com/PleasantSlowAnteater
16:52 Krock            "Dümmster Annzunehmender User" -> Dumbest Acceptable User
16:52 Krock            or whatever
16:53 lordcirth        asie, the wire disconnects when you hit it, did you make it unregister itself as a mesecons device?
16:53 asie             lordcirth: no, i use swap_node and mesecon:update_autoconnect
16:53 lordcirth        asie, I think it would work better to only stop the output
16:53 Krock            asie, how you do that?
16:53 asie             Krock: i made an API that lets you register gates
16:53 Krock            with gif-animations
16:53 asie             Krock: i use a screen recorder
16:53 zsoltisawesome_  Ah!
16:53 asie             then ffmpeg to convert to GIF, then gifsicle to optimize
16:53 asie             lordcirth: what do you mean?
16:54 Krock            chinese alert
16:54 zsoltisawesome_  hmm?
16:54 asie             what I do right now is swap_node, then I run update_autoconnect to update wire connection rendering, then I run the update function which sets the new state if it changed
16:55 asie             that's reasonably fast, uses publicly exposed Mesecons APIs and doesn't break anything
16:55 zsoltisawesome_  #asieissmart
16:57 asie             http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399764/
16:57 asie             this is how the API works for the developer
16:58 asie             the rest is taken care of automatically by the library
16:58 zsoltisawesome_  and? or? :P
16:59 asie             yes
16:59 asie             you can probably derive other examples from this
16:59 asie             you also get mesegates:get_input_rules(node) if you need it
16:59 Krock            asie, the master meseconer
17:00 asie             Krock: i just think mesecons_gates is /really/ horrible
17:00 asie             so i made a replacement that (a) is not horrible and (b) is easy to extend
17:00 asie             there are two steps in adding a new gate
17:00 Krock            ok
17:00 asie             1. create mesegates_[gate name]_on and mesegates_[gate name]_off.png
17:00 asie             which are transparent and overlayed on that gray square on top
17:00 asie             2. register_gate in your code
17:00 Krock            3. enjoy
17:01 Krock            that are 3 steps
17:01 asie             nah
17:01 asie             you needn't enjoy.
17:01 Krock            3. don't enjoy. hate
17:01 Calinou          adding xban (and fixed it so that it feels like it's official)
17:02 * Krock          likes the windows-like server adress :D
17:02 * Krock          likes *.ntdll.*
17:02 asie             okay, uh, let me make a quick ZIP of what is mesegates right now
17:02 asie             for those of you who want to play with it now
17:02 asie             i'll make a github repo once i have more stuff done
17:03 PenguinDad       Krock: that *.wow64.* thing is windows too :P
17:03 Calinou          world of warcraft 64
17:03 Krock            PenguinDad, yes I already saw that WOW thingie...is it something like a emulator?
17:03 asie             (the meseblock.lua stuff is unrelated and part of a different tweak which makes P-NAND gates react to mese blocks as if it were an actual signal while not having meseblocks emit signal to wires; it's a part of my old sandbox game's energy system)
17:03 Krock            TL;DR
17:03 asie             http://asie.pl/mesegates.zip
17:03 asie             tl;dr ^
17:07 FreeFull         I think I'll download and test it
17:07 FreeFull         Any dependencies?
17:08 asie             FreeFull: mesecons.
17:08 asie             obviously.
17:08 asie             http://blog.asie.pl/2014/05/minetest-status-update-1/
17:08 asie             the code only adds a simple OR gate, though
17:08 FreeFull         Probably not much point to testing it then
17:08 asie             yeah
17:08 asie             i will put up a proper version tomorrow, likely
17:09 asie             with most of the useful gate types (or/and/xor/not/nand/nor/xnor and a bonus toggle latch)
17:09 VanessaE         asie: NAND is the most useful
17:09 VanessaE         XOR is considered to be equally so.
17:09 asie             VanessaE: All of them are useful if you don't want to bother making gigantic circuits
17:10 VanessaE         hah
17:10 VanessaE         I read "with" as "which"
17:10 asie             there will be 3 mods in the set, really
17:10 VanessaE         somehow I interpreted that as a question :)
17:10 asie             mesegates (core API), mesegates_default (the gates I mentioned) and mesegates_wirium (my own reimplementation of my old sandbox game's gate, the P-NAND)
17:11 Calinou          there, added xban
17:12 asie             i wanted to add coloured insulated cables but that might not happen after all
17:12 asie             it probably will, though, it's not that much of a pain to add
17:12 VanessaE         asie: already done.
17:12 asie             VanessaE: in?
17:12 VanessaE         nore made a mod that'll do that
17:12 asie             ooh
17:12 asie             good
17:12 VanessaE         look in the issues list, there's a pull there for extra wires that can be trimmed
17:13 VanessaE         making even 1-node-apart wires insulated from one another
17:13 asie             mesegates mainly needs to have "max_second_param" added
17:13 asie             that will add a rightclick-toggleable value
17:13 asie             that will be overlaid on top
17:13 asie             think, for instance, repeaters
17:13 VanessaE         well there *was* a pull
17:13 asie             with 4 speed configurations
17:13 VanessaE         where is it now...
17:13 Calinou          http://blog.asie.pl/2014/05/on-idealism/ → I'm going to rant on your rant ;)
17:13 asie             Calinou: haha
17:14 asie             someone already did
17:14 asie             and i ranted on their rant of my rant
17:16 crazyR           is there a way to make my server use a paticular texture pack without overwriting existing ones
17:17 VanessaE         asie:  well I can't find the forum page for it but here's the repo:  https://github.com/Novatux/wires
17:17 VanessaE         100% compatible to mesecons
17:17 Calinou          asie, “Therefore, I might just end up modding Minetest with a small community of people who still play it.”. Who “stlll” play it sounds pretty negative here...
17:17 Calinou          it sounds like Minetest is abandoned
17:18 asie             Calinou: That's true
17:18 asie             I should edit that blog post
17:18 Calinou          it's getting more and more played, unlike Minecraft which has no proof of such (sales count doesn't increase much?)
17:18 VanessaE         asie: there's a "wire cutters" in there.  use it to trim the wires.  These wires can go everywhere.  on block sides, on ceilings, you name it, but they're buggy
17:18 asie             Calinou: Minecraft is less and less played
17:18 asie             but the community is giant
17:18 Calinou          I thought so
17:18 Calinou          yeah
17:19 asie             it's sad people are calling me a wimp for quitting
17:19 VanessaE         asie: once a connection between two neighboring wires is trimmed, the two wires are electrically insulated even if they don't appear to be.
17:19 Calinou          I support you on your move to Minetest though :) it's always a better idea to mod free software
17:19 Calinou          the Minecraft community is peculiar indeed ;)
17:20 VanessaE         I'll second Calinou's support.  better to be here than with Minecraft :)
17:20 asie             Calinou: I fought for free software in the Minecraft community
17:20 asie             :P
17:20 asie             For months
17:20 asie             my greatest success is making people unaware of "default copyright" aware of it
17:21 asie             and making their mods formally open
17:21 asie             "Me moving to modding Minetest is not yet definite… I’m trying to look into the tools I have available - the Lua API isn’t bad, but I still wish I could move on and create my own game. The problem with that is I lack motivation. Therefore, I’ll just keep modding Minetest with their small, dedicated community of players and modders. It makes me feel a lot happier than engaging in weeks of drama just to get a modpack done, and then
17:21 asie             being told your modpack sucks and will never be playable just because its vision revolves not around gameplay, but around fairness."
17:21 Calinou          <asie> Calinou: I fought for free software in the Minecraft community
17:21 Calinou          this is like fighting for being vegetarian at a KFC
17:21 asie             http://blog.asie.pl/2014/04/on-open-source-modding/
17:22 asie             this post changed quite a few people's opinions on free software modding
17:22 Calinou          would be nice if more Minecraft texture packs were free, this is actually very rare
17:23 Calinou          but anyway, it's not common to see a Minecraft modder moving to Minetest :)
17:23 Calinou          give it a few years, and we'll have an ex-Mojangsta here. ;)
17:23 asie             Calinou: The Painterly pack is permissive
17:23 asie             it's not offically free, but it gives out permissions like crazy
17:23 asie             a few mods have just taken textures from them
17:23 asie             I am considering talking to their team about it
17:24 Calinou          getting permission is one thing, ability to do things without asking is another
17:24 Calinou          (remember that “NC” and “ND” clauses are not free – the term “semi-free” also doesn't exist currently)
17:24 Calinou          I just read some pastebin you posted on your blog
17:25 Calinou          “[01:06] <Grum> also opensource doesnt mean 'flawless' -- remember heartbleed?”
17:25 asie             Calinou: If not for OpenSSL being open-source
17:25 Calinou          that's desolating
17:25 asie             we wouldn't have known
17:25 asie             it was found literally by a bored Google engineer reading the code, IIRC
17:25 asie             and then Google told CloudFlare
17:25 CraigyDavi       hello everyone
17:25 Calinou          hey, this is Mojang were Dinnerbone defends obfuscation: “for performance reasons”
17:25 Calinou          (talked to him a few times about that)
17:25 asie             yeah
17:25 VanessaE         hi CraigyDavi
17:26 asie             Calinou: I am aware
17:26 asie             and I wanted to ask them to put it under an open license
17:26 VanessaE         Calinou: seriously? O_o
17:26 asie             my friend actually tried to coax me into making a paid Minetest server for the Polish Minecraft community
17:26 asie             but I refused
17:26 asie             ugh
17:26 asie             i'm making all of my mods free
17:26 asie             VanessaE: Seriously.
17:26 PenguinDad       asie: seriously!
17:27 asie             PenguinDad: Serious levels of seriously there
17:27 Calinou          “[01:35] <Grum> or at least something with a fucking shell on it >.>” → Windows has a shell, Mr. Grum
17:27 asie             also
17:27 asie             Grum literally said that a linear search over all tile entities in Minecraft is fine
17:27 Calinou          VanessaE, yeah, I don't have logs though
17:27 MinetestBot      GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Move message about missing normal maps to infostream instead of errorstream. c80d67f48e 2014-05-05T19:25:18+02:00 http://git.io/wScTLA
17:27 asie             because *MOJANG* uses TEs sparingly
17:27 asie             and *only* Mojang does so
17:27 Calinou          he used to be in #minecraft channels, like other Mojangstas
17:28 asie             yes
17:28 asie             then they moved to #mojang
17:28 asie             it was an insider channel back in 2010-2011
17:28 asie             i belonged there
17:28 asie             had some nice talks with jeb
17:28 Calinou          #mojang          1       To claim this channel as an official member of mojang, please leave me a memo via memoserv.
17:28 asie             no, on EsperNet
17:28 asie             i would actually go as far to say as jeb is one of the sanest people at Mojang
17:28 asie             he's also the only one adding new features to Minecraft per Grum's words
17:28 Calinou          I indirectly suggested something to jeb_ (someone else did it for me), it got in the game
17:28 asie             yes
17:29 asie             jeb is really a sane and nice guy, shame the other guys ruin it for him and that he spends most of his time on Minecraft PE
17:29 Calinou          it was nice, but that particular feature was removed in 12
17:29 Calinou          it was seed visibily in debug screen
17:29 Calinou          1.2*
17:29 Calinou          :P
17:29 asie             they removed it due to server owner complaints IIRC
17:29 Calinou          yeah
17:29 Calinou          I have yet to see xrayers on Minetest 8)
17:29 asie             I have yet to see quarries on Minetest
17:29 asie             and, frankly, quarries in Minetest scare me
17:29 Calinou          used to be possible with minetest.conf setting (invisible_stone = true), but no longer since 0.4
17:29 Calinou          I've done quarry mining a bit, but that's inefficient
17:29 asie             no
17:30 asie             i mean in minetest
17:30 Calinou          doing a real branch mine is way better
17:30 lordcirth        asie, technic is working hard on automated quarries :)
17:30 asie             infinite height
17:30 asie             and quarries
17:30 Calinou          a quarry that goes to -31000? ah, never ;)
17:30 asie             and... infinite height
17:30 asie             and quarries!
17:30 * Calinou        continues reading log
17:31 Calinou          Grum blunders and blunders, every minute
17:31 asie             Grum is an idealist
17:31 asie             like me
17:31 asie             only his ideals are different
17:31 asie             he believes in, hm, a cathedral
17:31 Calinou          he sounds very negative
17:31 asie             and I believe in a bazaar
17:31 asie             if you get the analogy
17:31 Calinou          it's not even believing in a cathedral at this point
17:31 Calinou          it's Mojang-powered stupidity like I've already seen
17:32 Calinou          let's not argue too much about it though; it's not worth it and I'd rather develop stuff in Carbone a bit
17:32 asie             Yeah
17:32 asie             I'm working on asietest_game, slowly
17:32 Calinou          I had a weird hoverboard idea
17:32 asie             the gates are an addon because I won't really use them; my game is going to be powered by my old sandbox game's wire system
17:32 asie             but I abstracted it out to (a) clean up the code and (b) give the community something many always wanted
17:32 asie             it's probably going to end up in technic very soon, too
17:32 asie             i also plan to add bundled cables, eventually... if i figure out how
17:32 Calinou          giving stuff the community wants is a good thing, but you should think by yourself too
17:33 Calinou          this is how I design my mods :p
17:33 Calinou          cool stuff, but it tries to be useful at the same time
17:33 asie             yes, i did both
17:33 asie             that's why mesegates is an API
17:33 asie             there will be two reference implementations
17:33 whiskers75       Calinou: ohai
17:33 asie             one that mimics RP2 (many gates) and one that mimics my old sandbox game (one versalite gate)
17:33 Calinou          More Blocks was quite bad initially, now it's much better thanks to many rewrites by community people
17:34 whiskers75       Calinou: add technic to carbone?
17:34 asie             \
17:34 asie             \
17:34 asie             whoops
17:34 asie             also, one thing nice about mesegates - it only registers the possible connection/on/off combinations
17:34 Calinou          moreblocks is only 1439 lines of code
17:34 asie             mesegates is only 130 for the API alone
17:34 Calinou          (TIL how to measure line count in a directory: wc *)
17:34 asie             roughly
17:34 Calinou          whiskers75, too complex
17:34 asie             also yeah that's why i'm not adding technic either
17:35 Calinou          it's also not much of an use for most people
17:35 asie             i am adding pipeworks but for items only
17:35 asie             \]
17:35 asie             ugh
17:35 Calinou          you can it by yourself, the point of Carbone is not to make modding useless :)
17:35 Calinou          you can add it*
17:35 asie             the point of my game is to create an enjoyable gameplay experience
17:35 asie             trying to have a bit of everything
17:35 Calinou          me too, but complex/slow/heavy/uncommon stuff stays in the modding area
17:35 asie             so, if you can't understand it in 15 seconds, it's not in your pack? :P
17:36 whiskers75       Calinou: add mesecons
17:36 Calinou          asie, yeah, quite a bit
17:36 Calinou          whiskers75, same reason: too complex and slow
17:36 whiskers75       >mesecons
17:36 whiskers75       >complex
17:36 asie             Calinou: do what I did and add a tiny bit of mesecons
17:36 whiskers75       >slow
17:36 Calinou          mesecon bugs can have dramatic consequences, too :P
17:36 asie             I removed about 1/4th of the mod for my pack
17:36 whiskers75       yeah
17:36 Calinou          I'd be OK with a tiny bit of mesecons (buttons/levers to open doors, with wires)
17:36 whiskers75       you don't need the MCUs
17:36 Calinou          but nothing more
17:36 asie             Calinou: mesecons is very modular
17:36 whiskers75       Calinou: Id like that too
17:36 asie             just take mesecons and mesecons_walllevers
17:36 Calinou          I'd probably need hours to implement that
17:37 asie             and mesecons_button
17:37 asie             like this! https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/
17:37 asie             also mesegates [/shameless_selfinsert]
17:37 Calinou          command block is very useful, but error-prone :/
17:37 whiskers75       don't use it then
17:37 Calinou          if it's only usable by admins, then it's fine
17:37 asie             Calinou: them remove it
17:37 asie             that's how mesecons works
17:38 Calinou          (I think by default that only admins can use them anyway)
17:38 asie             (yes)
17:38 Calinou          I'll look a bit at mesecons
17:38 crazyR           ive never been able to get command blcoks to work
17:38 asie             well
17:38 asie             mesecons alone adds wires
17:38 asie             then each part adds the thing that's after the _
17:38 asie             some less obvious ones: _compatibility adds support for doors, _extrawires adds insulated wires
17:38 crazyR           when ever set the command it keeps telling me its still unconfigured
17:39 asie             _powerplant is actually just a constant 1, _blinkyplant is a timer, _solarpanel is a daylight sensor and _hydroturbine is a water sensor
17:39 asie             that's about it from the confusing stuff
17:39 Calinou          oh, moreblocks is more than 1439 lines of code, I forgot sub-directories
17:40 Calinou          I'm fine with most sensors
17:40 Calinou          what I don't want is potential slowness
17:40 asie             mesecons is rather well-written
17:40 asie             at least the wires
17:40 asie             and my gates try to be optimized to cause little lag as well
17:40 Calinou          are pistons slow?
17:40 asie             no, but moveblocks are quite buggy
17:41 Calinou          what's the different between microcontroller and luacontroller?
17:41 crazyR           asie any alternative ideas for a blinky plant with less lag?
17:41 asie             microcontroller has a custom language
17:41 asie             crazyR: i will be working on a timer gate, likely
17:42 asie             Calinou: from what i heard about your design plans, don't use either controller
17:42 Calinou          so if I want faster mesecons, I remove movestones, blinkyplants and controller stuff?
17:42 asie             Calinou: I think you should think in terms of what you want and not what you don't want
17:42 asie             player detectors are probably rather laggy, for instance
17:42 Calinou          I'll rename the directories to .<modname> so that they can be enabled easily
17:42 Calinou          OK
17:42 crazyR           blinkyplants are a huge lag cause. but without them alot of automated machines wont be possible, without messing with gates
17:42 Calinou          (keep the files, but as dotfiles, since they aren't loaded)
17:42 asie             IMO you want mesecons, mesecons_pistons, mesecons_mvps (required API for pistons), mesecons_button, mesecons_walllever, mesecons_powerplant and when I'm done mesegates
17:43 asie             and perhaps things like mesecons_solarpanel
17:43 Calinou          mesecons_torch looks useful too
17:43 Calinou          (toggleable torches, IIRC)
17:43 asie             i think it's a redstone torch reimplementation
17:43 CraigyDavi       Ermmm someone seems to have made it look like they have 514 players online when they only have 14 players online.
17:43 Calinou          these torches are gray or white
17:43 Calinou          looks like a light source
17:43 CraigyDavi       They are the top of servers.minetest.net
17:43 Calinou          CraigyDavi, yeah, being dealt with
17:44 Calinou          (but not so quickly)
17:44 Calinou          master ban is a possible solution...
17:44 Calinou          if they refuse to not fake their player counts, make them not able to announce
17:44 Calinou          or having a bot that scans player counts (but would cause chat spam and useless bandwidth usage)
17:44 CraigyDavi       Ah I never knew you could ban people from the server list
17:44 Calinou          you can't
17:45 Calinou          this was a suggestion :P
17:45 CraigyDavi       Oh
17:45 Calinou          some other games allow doing that, like Sauerbraten or Red Eclipse: these go further, because a player can be banned from all servers which appear on the list and some people have privileges everywhere
17:45 Calinou          I don't agree much with the latter, because you're not allowed to opt-out (at least in these two games)
17:46 zsoltisawesome_  Calinou: how is Red Ecplise?
17:46 markveidemanis   zsoltisawesome_, Is ZNC not working?
17:47 zsoltisawesome_  i can connect to other IRC server with this client without writing a JS plugin
17:47 Calinou          what is the difference between mesecon switch and mesecon lever, asie?
17:47 zsoltisawesome_  :P
17:47 Calinou          other than cosmetics
17:47 asie             Calinou: I think none :P
17:47 Calinou          zsoltisawesome_, http://redeclipse.net
17:47 Calinou          so I'll remove switch then
17:47 Calinou          it's uglier :p
17:47 Calinou          (well, I'll think this about this one, actually)
17:47 Calinou          having a full node as a switch can have some use
17:48 asie             okay, added the 7 main gates as well as a diode
17:48 asie             now i just need to make textures for them in a sec
17:48 Calinou          luacontroller, movestones, noteblock, microcontroller, detector, blinkyplant disabled
17:48 Calinou          whiskers75, anyway, I'm still unlikely to add technic because it makes the game too complex
17:48 Calinou          basic mesecon functionality is nice and can do nice things
17:49 Calinou          Mesecon wires make for good christmas decoration ;)
17:49 asie             disable lamp and lightstone as they're very ugly, same for gates
17:49 asie             as i'm almost done with a superior version of gates
17:49 asie             and will work on a superior version of lamp :)
17:49 Calinou          I could come with a better texture, but let me see for now
17:49 asie             for lamp, i will be using RedLogic's textures
17:50 asie             they're free textures and free as in freedom
17:50 asie             (RedLogic is a FOSS clone of RP2 Wiring/Logic)
17:50 asie             i will also add an option to support unifieddyes for lamps because why not
17:53 Calinou          I thought Mesecon code was more complicated than that.
17:54 asie             it's really rather simple
17:56 zsoltisawesome_  Calinou: you should look before you assume
17:57 asie             i'm halfway through doing the gate textures
18:01 Calinou          There are 2000 registered nodes, items and tools.
18:01 Calinou          :D
18:01 asie             okay, i finished adding the basic gates
18:03 Krock            Calinou, for i = 0, 9999 do minetest.registered_nodes["mod:test_"..i] = LOL :)
18:04 asie             http://i.imgur.com/EL243BP.png
18:04 asie             how does that look?
18:05 Krock            looks like a soundcard memory overflow
18:05 asie             ;_;
18:05 asie             possibly
18:06 Krock            and..it's dirty
18:06 Calinou          I'd like an improvement of the /give command which scans all mods and tries to /give an item of that mod
18:06 VanessaE         Calinou: only 2000?  you got a ways to go to meet up with Dreambuilder ;)
18:06 Calinou          to make specfying a modname useless
18:06 Calinou          (= much faster to do /give commands)
18:06 Calinou          (alias abuse lengthens load time)
18:07 Calinou          and they need to be kept up to date
18:07 Krock            Calinou, how about unified_inventory with /grant creative?
18:07 Krock            no need to chat then
18:07 Calinou          unified_inventory is complex and ugly :'(
18:07 VanessaE         Calinou: oh I'm reminded:  check your groups settings on the admin pick (with drops), there's still some stuff it doesn't instantly dig, unknown nodes being one of them
18:07 Calinou          also, creative doesn't have items which are not shown in the inventory
18:07 VanessaE         er dig properties.  whatever it's called for tools
18:08 Calinou          VanessaE, I don't think it's possible to make unknown node digging instant with the “drops” one
18:08 Calinou          I think the time is enforced for all tools...
18:08 VanessaE         there are a few other nodes I've noticed that behave this way also, but I can't remember what they are now
18:12 asie             http://i.imgur.com/CJxteJY.png
18:13 asie             made the output/input sides a tad more visible
18:14 * sfan5          throws a kitten at PilzAdam
18:16 * microcarrot    throws an orange at sfan5
18:17 Calinou          add some noise and shading to the top
18:17 * sfan5          flips microcarrot
18:17 Calinou          (well, on all sides)
18:18 * Calinou        gives sfan5 a luacarrot
18:18 Calinou          *** Server shutting down
18:18 * sfan5          noms it
18:18 Calinou          </luacontroller jokes>
18:21 VanessaE         hm, anyone else having a problem with the front-side texture on the wield for shared, locked furnace?
18:21 VanessaE         (it's ok in-world but in-hand and in-inventory, the front shows a distorted, scaled-down image of the animated furnace front)
18:21 Calinou          default_furnace_lock.png and default_furnace_lock_active.png
18:21 Calinou          textures used in Carbone for locked furnace ^
18:22 Calinou          there are no locked furnaces in the default game
18:23 VanessaE         hm I take it back, doesn't work in-world either
18:23 VanessaE         (I didn't turn it "on" before)
18:23 VanessaE         I'm referring to Sokomine's Locks mod btw
18:23 Calinou          ah
18:23 Calinou          anyway, you could add HDX textures for my furnaces :p
18:24 Calinou          it probably requires just a copy + rename
18:24 VanessaE         what's the new names for yours?
18:24 VanessaE         or as above?
18:24 VanessaE         (sokomine's mod doesn't require explicit HDX support)
18:25 asie             https://github.com/asiekierka/mesegates
18:25 asie             and it's finally up!
18:25 CraigyDavi       I seem to have convinced the owner of the server which had 500 players to fix the problem.
18:25 asie             https://github.com/asiekierka/mesegates/blob/master/mesegates/init.lua <- this is the API
18:25 VanessaE         this is an OOOLLLLLLLDDDD bug in the engine, it's not properly handling the case of overlaying a static one-frame image on top of an animation
18:27 VanessaE         (it's using the pipeworks API to overlay the tube "entry fitting" image onto the front of the furnace)
18:28 VanessaE         (this doesn't work with animations because of that engine bug  I didn't do this with default furnaces because it looks wrong)
18:31 asie             that gate system is just so much fun
18:34 asie             is it time to make a forum thread yet?
18:35 nore             VanessaE, btw: there is no forum thread for my wires mod...
18:36 VanessaE         you should make one :)
18:37 nore             I don't think it is important enough for that (as is my computer mod...)
18:37 asie             the wires mod? it is far superior to the insulated wires we have now . . .
18:38 nore             I might do some big mesecons-like mod someday... (maybe I should do something with asie?)
18:38 nore             asie, thanks
18:38 asie             nore: i am committed to keeping mesecons compatibility
18:38 asie             but the mesecons API is fairly good and high-level
18:38 nore             that's a good idea
18:38 asie             so it can be replaced while keeping mods compatible
18:38 nore             mesecons compatibility is always something important to keep in mind
18:39 asie             mesegates is a first step... tomorrow i will use the third digit i have left in the gate definition
18:39 nore             which is?
18:39 Calinou          VanessaE, I just told them
18:39 asie             right now it's forced to 0
18:39 asie             but later it will store information for those things which need visible visual output of their setup
18:39 asie             such as repeaters
18:39 Calinou          default_furnace_lock.png
18:39 Calinou          default_furnace_lock_active.png (can be animated)
18:39 asie             and... mostly repeaters
18:39 asie             maybe counters, too
18:39 VanessaE         Calinou: oh derp
18:40 VanessaE         Calinou: send me a forum PM and I'll get on those a bit later on
18:41 Calinou          <asie> is it time to make a forum thread yet?
18:41 Calinou          yeah, you can
18:47 zsoltisawesome   Mega F
18:47 Megaf            Me
18:48 zsoltisawesome   Yes
18:49 Krock            YOU
18:49 * Calinou        renames Megaf to Tinyf
18:49 zsoltisawesome   *Nanof
18:50 zsoltisawesome   what the hell happened to Zeg9?
18:50 * Krock          renames Megaf to Yougaf
18:50 Megaf            heh
18:51 Megaf            There you go
18:51 Krock            zsoltisnotawesome, what happened?
18:54 Krock            zsoltisnotawesome!
18:54 Krock            hey!
18:55 Megaf            ho!
18:55 zsoltisawesome   http://a.veryviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/funny-chinese-sign-translation-fails-10.jpg
18:55 zsoltisawesome   lol
18:57 CraigyDavi       haha
18:58 zsoltisawesome   yes
18:58 zsoltisawesome   http://a.veryviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/O4uPYfj.jpg
18:59 CraigyDavi       Tiny grass is dreaming? Whaaaa
19:00 zsoltisawesome   kik
19:00 Krock            kik
19:00 Krock            lol
19:01 Krock            http://a.veryviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/SO1v2TK.jpg
19:01 Krock            xd
19:02 CraigyDavi       o_O
19:02 Amaz_            Interesting...
19:02 Calinou          veryviral.com is from pastebin.com
19:02 zsoltisawesome   yes
19:02 * Calinou        is now using LevelDB for his singleplayer worlds
19:02 Krock            really?
19:03 * sfan5          meows at Calinou
19:03 Calinou          it feels the same
19:03 Krock            Calinou, nice privilege
19:03 Calinou          (I didn't migrate, so old stuff is gone :P)
19:03 Calinou          (there was almost nothing in the world)
19:03 Krock            #sfan5'sbuildsarecorrupted
19:03 Calinou          but the few torches I placed were gone
19:03 sfan5            Krock: don't use Windows XP, problem solved
19:03 sfan5            you can also try to download a random leveldb dll from the internet and see if it works
19:03 Krock            sfan5, err... my server is running on vista and can reproduce it too
19:04 sfan5            then don't use windows
19:04 * Krock          haddesks
19:04 * Krock          headdesks
19:04 * PenguinDad     slaps Krock with Debian
19:04 Krock            again?
19:04 Calinou          gotta love cave entrances in Minetest
19:05 Calinou          the mix of grass and stone going down looks so scary, when you think about the potential mobs
19:05 Calinou          but you still know you're supposedly safe above -15 ;)
19:05 Krock            sfan5, why do you privide win32 builds if you don't like windows? /justinterest
19:05 Krock            *provide
19:06 sfan5            because many people use windows
19:06 Calinou          it's an useful service
19:06 sfan5            and with buildbot.sh it is just ./buildmtwin32.sh & ./buildmtwin64.sh for me
19:06 Krock            ok.
19:06 Megaf            sfan5: That easy?
19:06 sfan5            yes
19:06 sfan5            it even uploads it for me
19:07 Jordach          Calinou, worse
19:07 Megaf            sfan5: And what about requisites? (I dont know how to spell that)
19:07 Jordach          mobs now have greater than player health and do like 4x the damage they used to do
19:07 Calinou          lots of libraries have to be installed by hand
19:07 Calinou          Jordach, yeah, to take armour and eating into account
19:07 sfan5            Megaf: they are automatically downloaded if not alread present
19:07 Jordach          Calinou, BFD has 0 ARMOUR.
19:07 Calinou          and bows
19:07 zsoltisawesome   that sucks
19:08 Krock            ahah http://a.veryviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ep3gv.jpg
19:08 Jordach          Calinou, i did steal your bows
19:08 Jordach          s/steal/borrow/
19:08 Jordach          gah
19:08 zsoltisawesome   You know what else BFD is missing?
19:08 sfan5            kittens
19:08 Krock            ^
19:08 zsoltisawesome   ^
19:08 Jordach          this updated realtek driver is shit
19:08 Krock            ^
19:09 zsoltisawesome   ^
19:09 PenguinDad       Kittens!
19:09 Krock            ^
19:09 zsoltisawesome   ^
19:09 Krock            LOL
19:09 PenguinDad       ^
19:09 zsoltisawesome   indeed
19:09 zsoltisawesome   ^
19:09 Krock            ^ exactly
19:09 PenguinDad       ^ for sure
19:09 Krock            ^yeah
19:09 sfan5            Krock, zsoltisawesome: auto-rejoin can get you banned quickly in many channels, I'd advise you to turn it off
19:09 Krock            sfan5, we know.
19:10 zsoltisawesome   yes
19:10 Krock            But I can't turn off this feature
19:10 sfan5            lolwut
19:10 sfan5            you can
19:10 zsoltisawesome   get a different client
19:10 sfan5            I guarantee you
19:10 Krock            wait
19:10 sfan5            or do that..
19:10 Krock            I done it
19:10 * sfan5          meows at asie
19:10 PenguinDad       Krock: use a better client
19:10 Jordach          hey asie
19:10 * sfan5          curls up to Jordach's lap
19:10 * Jordach        purrs
19:10 * asie           nyans at sfan5
19:10 * sfan5          meows
19:10 Krock            sfan5, after I had a german overwied it sudednly appeared..lol
19:10 Krock            *overview
19:11 * sfan5          throws 猫 formed cake at asie
19:12 * PenguinDad     squawks at asie
19:12 jordan4ibanez    If only C55 were here.
19:12 jordan4ibanez    http://youtu.be/EIgzfiFOTwY
19:12 sfan5            zsoltisawesome:
19:12 sfan5            * microcarrot has quit (Quit: アイ アム Zsolt)
19:12 sfan5            this is not how katakana work
19:12 zsoltisawesome   you but dots
19:12 zsoltisawesome   *put
19:12 sfan5            you cannot translate whole english sentences into katakna
19:12 sfan5            katakana*
19:13 sfan5            katakana is for single words
19:13 sfan5            !title
19:13 MinetestBot      sfan5: Best of finnish rally crashes 2013 by JPeltsi - YouTube
19:13 zsoltisawesome   whatr?
19:13 Jordach_         thank you AMD for fucking with my Realtek drivers
19:13 Megaf            Jordach_: what?
19:13 Megaf            How?
19:13 sfan5            zsoltisawesome: short answer: "アイ アム Zsolt" is random gibberish because it does not work like that
19:14 Megaf            ~title
19:14 ShadowBot        Megaf: Best of finnish rally crashes 2013 by JPeltsi - YouTube
19:14 sfan5            Megaf: y u no trust MinetestBot?
19:14 zsoltisawesome   https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%20%E3%82%A2%E3%83%A0%20Zsolt
19:14 Krock            its ignore list is too long
19:14 Megaf            Just in case
19:15 sfan5            zsoltisawesome: that means nothing
19:15 zsoltisawesome   meh
19:15 Megaf            !title
19:15 MinetestBot      Megaf: Google Translate
19:15 Megaf            ~title
19:16 ShadowBot        Megaf: Google Translate
19:16 zsoltisawesome   you idiot
19:16 Megaf            YOu don't say
19:16 zsoltisawesome   Jordach!
19:16 sfan5            katakana is used for nouns, you can't simply put english sentences into katakana (you can, but it makes no sense)
19:16 Megaf            Jordach: Hi, What's going on with your drivers?
19:16 * sfan5          meows at Jordach
19:16 sfan5            damnit
19:17 sfan5            I think Jordach should stop using windows
19:17 zsoltisawesome   lol
19:17 zsoltisawesome   I think you should start using Windows
19:17 sfan5            no u
19:17 * Megaf          thinks windows is the best thing eva!
19:17 * sfan5          slaps Megaf
19:17 * lordcirth      slaps Megaf harder
19:18 * zsoltisawesome slaps sfan5 for slaping Megaf
19:18 * Megaf          thinks windows is the best thing eva! I made much money fixing windows computers
19:18 lordcirth        rofl
19:18 * sfan5          purrs at Megaf
19:18 * zsoltisawesome slaps lordcirth for slaping Megaf
19:18 * sfan5          flips zsoltisawesome
19:18 Megaf            and in some of them I installed Debian
19:18 * lordcirth      slaps everybody for no particular reason
19:18 * zsoltisawesome slaps sfan5 for slaping him
19:18 Megaf            That includes my girlfriends laptop and my grandmas desktop
19:18 * zsoltisawesome defends
19:19 Megaf            Ok, enough of slaping
19:19 zsoltisawesome   Megaf: Are you CRAZY?!?!
19:19 * sfan5          flips zsoltisawesome
19:19 zsoltisawesome   Debian!?!?!
19:19 sfan5            :O
19:19 Megaf            yep
19:19 Megaf            whats the problem?
19:19 Megaf            It just works
19:19 sfan5            someone actually made an android port and published the source: https://github.com/gameabc/worldcraft
19:19 zsoltisawesome   O:
19:20 PenguinDad       much free, very port, wow
19:20 lordcirth        Megaf, debian with gnome 3?
19:20 zsoltisawesome   we have been wasting our time?
19:20 Megaf            lordcirth: indeed
19:20 zsoltisawesome   gnome 3 is better than Unity
19:20 zsoltisawesome   :X
19:21 * Megaf          agrees with zsoltisawesome
19:21 Amaz_            sfan5: Is that a first?!
19:21 Megaf            Countdown for Jordach timeout
19:21 Megaf            30
19:21 Jordach          nope.avi
19:21 Amaz_            I mean the source code being published by a non community member.
19:21 * sfan5          curls up to Jordach's lap
19:21 * lordcirth      doesn't like Unity or Gnome Shell very much
19:22 Jordach          Megaf, i updated my audio drivers via AMD and it fucked up the amplified audio settings
19:22 Megaf            lordcirth: GNOME 3 is actually quite cool for the end user
19:22 Megaf            Jordach: if you have a realtek thing, use realtek drivers
19:22 lordcirth        Megaf, I like Pinguy and Trisquel's Gnome 3 configs
19:22 Jordach          and that explains everythig
19:22 Megaf            lordcirth: end http://extensions.gnome.org are pretty neat
19:23 Jordach          headset was in the wrong fucking mode
19:23 lordcirth        But I really don't get Debian's default version
19:23 Megaf            Jordach: you should be timing out by now
19:23 Megaf            congrats
19:23 Jordach          Megaf, nope
19:23 Megaf            16:22 < Jordach> and that explains everythig
19:23 Megaf            so, not actually AMDs fault?
19:24 Megaf            16:23 < Jordach> headset was in the wrong fucking mode
19:24 Megaf            !title
19:24 MinetestBot      Megaf: GNOME Shell Extensions
19:25 Jordach          sfan5, attempt to compile worldcraft
19:25 Calinou          sfan5, no license.
19:26 Calinou          this is a minefield, be careful
19:26 Calinou          also they're all new: https://github.com/gameabc
19:26 sfan5            Calinou: they say on their google play page LGPL; you can't use a DMCA against them now
19:26 sfan5            Jordach: no u
19:26 Calinou          they should still add it to GitHub repo
19:26 Jordach          sfan5, 1) not Linux based
19:26 sfan5            Jordach, cygwin
19:26 Jordach          2) find me a CD-R and i'll install fuckin Debian#
19:27 Jordach          3) I'll have a quick look :O
19:27 sfan5            go to <nearest supermarket>, they have some
19:27 lordcirth        Jordach, you don't have a USB, or Virtualbox?
19:27 Megaf            There are several worldcraft games on google play
19:27 harrison         Some users may experience seizures.
19:27 zsoltisawesome   lol
19:28 zsoltisawesome   "some users will experience chronic headdesking"
19:28 zsoltisawesome   :P
19:29 harrison         Signs of withdrawal include minor laziness, mild depression, nightmares, and slight tremor.
19:29 PenguinDad       more users experienced seizures while trying to install gentoo :P
19:29 zsoltisawesome   haha
19:29 harrison         step right up ladies and gentoos!
19:29 zsoltisawesome   i installed gentooX on my X-Box
19:30 zsoltisawesome   no seizure
19:30 zsoltisawesome   XD
19:30 Megaf            Jordach: I could be your guide to the Linux world if you are interested
19:30 Jordach          pfft
19:31 * PenguinDad     gives Megaf a cookie
19:31 sfan5            Jordach: 31<sfan5>30 go to <nearest supermarket>, they have some
19:31 * zsoltisawesome wants a cookie
19:31 sfan5            also: linux mint is way nicer than debian
19:31 * Megaf          takes a cooke
19:31 * sfan5          taps zsoltisawesome
19:31 Megaf            hm, delicious
19:31 * sfan5          goes find cookies
19:31 * zsoltisawesome asks why he got tapped
19:32 zsoltisawesome   by sfan5
19:32 sfan5            because にゃん
19:33 sfan5            *irc stats updated*
19:33 zsoltisawesome   :(
19:33 zsoltisawesome   nyan is haunting me
19:33 Jordach          let's hope this works :)
19:33 Jordach          (found a flash drive, totally forgot i have flash pens now)
19:34 sfan5            18	MinetestBot	6387	43453321583262	today	"john_minetest: yeah, sure, whatever"
19:34 zsoltisawesome   lol
19:34 sfan5            Jordach: hao mani GBz?
19:34 Jordach          \o/ open source bootable flash pen maker
19:34 Jordach          http://rufus.akeo.ie/
19:34 * sfan5          hopes Jordach understands broken english
19:34 Jordach          sfan5, 2gb iso is ~1gb
19:35 zsoltisawesome   ireland?
19:35 sfan5            Jordach: take a look at win32diskimager
19:35 Megaf            16:31 < sfan5> also: linux mint is way nicer than debian
19:35 Megaf            There's a Debian based Linux Mint :)
19:35 Calinou          I've never tried Rufus, but it looks good
19:35 Calinou          Linux Bint.
19:35 Calinou          really: use an /official/ Ubuntu derivative
19:36 Calinou          Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Xubuntu all welcome you arms open
19:36 Megaf            Any Irish here?
19:36 * sfan5          throws Xubuntu at Calinou
19:36 Calinou          yeah
19:36 Calinou          Linux Mint has tons of issues
19:36 Jordach          interesting fact: this flash pen went through the wash so it probably won't last
19:36 zsoltisawesome   Calinou: YOU have tons of issues
19:36 sfan5            >sfan5 can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 19 times.
19:36 Megaf            Calinou: what do you expect from something that is based on Ubuntu?
19:36 sfan5            >sfan5 seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 19 times.
19:36 sfan5            19,19 :D
19:36 zsoltisawesome   lol
19:36 * Jordach        slaps sfan5
19:36 Jordach          nope.avi
19:36 * sfan5          slaps Jordach
19:36 Jordach          not anymore.
19:36 * Jordach        slaps sfan5
19:36 sfan5            :D
19:36 * sfan5          slaps Jordach
19:37 Jordach          everyone slap sfan5
19:37 zsoltisawesome   21,21
19:37 * Megaf          grab popcorn
19:37 Jordach          bbl
19:37 * PenguinDad     slaps sfan5
19:37 * sfan5          slaps PenguinDad
19:37 * zsoltisawesome slaps Megaf
19:37 * CraigyDavi     slaps CraigyDavi
19:37 * zsoltisawesome slaps PenguinDad
19:37 * sfan5          meows
19:37 * PenguinDad     slaps zsoltisawesome
19:37 * zsoltisawesome slaps CraigyDavi
19:37 PenguinDad       :D
19:37 * CraigyDavi     slaps zsoltisawesome
19:38 Calinou          gotta like Rufus developer's stance on donation
19:38 zsoltisawesome   what?
19:38 * Megaf          slaps ShadowBot
19:38 Megaf            Whos your god now?
19:38 Megaf            where is he?
19:38 Megaf            pff
19:38 * Megaf          hides
19:39 * zsoltisawesome unhides Megaf
19:40 Megaf            lol, I can only look to the sky in buildcraft
19:40 jin_xi           so, painting mod v1.0 soon to be ready i think
19:40 Megaf            cant move "camera"
19:41 jin_xi           http://i.imgur.com/eAynyoN.png examples of 16x paintings
19:41 Calinou          meh, 16× paintings are ugly
19:41 Calinou          (generally)
19:41 Calinou          oh, this is the mod where you paint those by yourself
19:41 Calinou          then they're nice :D
19:41 jin_xi           bigger ones are hard to do
19:41 jin_xi           it goes to 64x tho
19:42 jin_xi           but needs a lot of patience
19:42 Megaf            jin_xi: well done
19:42 Megaf            jin_xi: you would like my pixel art server
19:42 Megaf            Im making a Sonic at the moment
19:42 jin_xi           so i wonder what to add to it. maybe a photocopier so you can have multiple copies of paintings
19:43 jin_xi           or some sort of enlarging thingy to make it easier to do the bigger canvases by scaling up
19:43 Calinou          “On the first day, Megaf built a Sonic. On the second day, Megaf built a Megaman. On the third party, Megaf built a pony. That's it: he did the same thing as dozens of Minetest players.“
19:43 Calinou          third day*
19:43 Calinou          lol “third party”
19:43 zsoltisawesome   lol
19:43 PenguinDad       plol
19:43 zsoltisawesome   pplol
19:44 Megaf            Calinou: What should I build then, a Tux?
19:44 Megaf            And BTW, that's actually a neat idea
19:44 Tux[Qyou]        most likely
19:44 Tux[Qyou]        don't you think, calinou
19:45 Calinou          build a Tux[Qyou] indeed.
19:47 PenguinDad       The Tux
19:47 Megaf            The Penguin
19:47 Megaf            Much bird
19:48 PenguinDad       many water
19:48 Megaf            very ice
19:49 PenguinDad       wow
19:49 asie             license choices again
19:50 asie             i wanted to pick MIT like I usually do but then I heard this caused problems over here in the past
19:50 zsoltisawesome   will somebody host a moontest server?
19:50 zsoltisawesome   use LGPL, thats what i usually use
19:50 zsoltisawesome   or WTFPL
19:50 asie             I'd rather use MIT than WTFPL
19:50 PenguinDad       how would MIT cause problems?
19:50 asie             PenguinDad: I heard someone wanted to sell Minetest over here
19:50 * Megaf          has its own license
19:51 Megaf            but I dont remember it
19:51 EvergreenTree    WTFPL is barely a license.  It just means people can do whatever the f*ck they want with it
19:51 PenguinDad       asie: how about zlib/libpng?
19:51 EvergreenTree    I would rather use CC0 if I wanted that
19:51 asie             zlib is nice
19:52 zsoltisawesome   EvergreenTree: been proved in court :P
19:52 EvergreenTree    What has been proved in court?
19:52 EvergreenTree    You can use whatever license you want.  I would just prefer to use CC0 if I don't care how it's used
19:53 zsoltisawesome   https://mediacru.sh/rIbMAsGDPfYW
19:53 PenguinDad       "what the fuck you want" isn't defined in german law :(
19:53 zsoltisawesome   ore! finally!
19:53 zsoltisawesome   lol
19:55 Calinou          hahaha I just made hoverboards
19:55 Calinou          like boats, but work everywhere
19:55 Calinou          can't go upwards though
19:55 Megaf            Just like hoverboard
19:56 PenguinDad       make a DeLorean ;)
19:56 Megaf            PenguinDad: hm, using it would involve a rollback
19:56 Megaf            may be dangerous
19:57 Megaf            Jordach: welcome bek
19:58 Calinou          it'll be a flying thing probably, however
19:58 Megaf            Can't you make it hover a little higher?
19:58 Jordach          Megaf, tried a distro i downloaded last night, turned out to be quite shit for my needs, despite looking amazing
19:59 VanessaE         Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit/ad439efea7fb475bd99f7f0d26a5eeb728621fc5
19:59 Amaz_            Jordach, what was it called?
19:59 PenguinDad       Jordach: which one?
19:59 Megaf            Jordach: perhaps you'd like Ubuntu Studio
19:59 Jordach          one that went MIA a while back
19:59 Megaf            but get ready for bugs
19:59 Jordach          fuck it: stock Ubuntu
19:59 asie             https://forum.minetest.net/posting.php?mode=edit&f=9&t=9248&p=140673
19:59 asie             err
20:00 asie             https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9248&p=140673
20:00 Megaf            Jordach: just take a look in Ubuntu Studio
20:00 Jordach          pfft
20:00 Megaf            I'm a Designer and Engineer and I like it
20:00 Jordach          it has outdated shit
20:00 Jordach          old blender
20:00 Jordach          old lmms
20:00 Jordach          everything is outdayed
20:00 Megaf            can't you update it?
20:00 EvergreenTree    Don't use ubuntu studio
20:00 EvergreenTree    just install them yourself
20:00 EvergreenTree    :P
20:01 EvergreenTree    there is no point in getting a distro just for applications that come with it
20:02 Calinou          <Megaf> Jordach: just take a look in Ubuntu Studio
20:03 Calinou          the problem is that it's a “specific distribution” with all the problems that come with it: small userbase, little testing
20:03 Megaf            well, I used Debian
20:03 Calinou          it's a better idea – if you know how to do it and you probably do – to install a general-purpose OS
20:03 VanessaE         oh derp, I forgot to add something to the locking images that suggests that they actually *lock*...
20:03 Calinou          your lock looks nice
20:03 Calinou          the active one can be animated, but the default texture isn't
20:04 zsoltisawesome   HOLY CAVE!
20:04 zsoltisawesome   seed: &99 coords: 50 -25 -220 generator: v7
20:04 VanessaE         what's the correct filename for the animated, active one?
20:05 zsoltisawesome   FOOD!
20:05 Calinou          I have four OptiPNGs running at once :D
20:05 Calinou          VanessaE, the same name
20:05 Calinou          (just like in the default game)
20:05 asie             I use pngout
20:05 Calinou          anim length is 1.25s
20:05 asie             because despite the program being closed, its output is not
20:06 Calinou          OptiPNG is pretty efficient at doing it
20:06 Calinou          it works on Windows too, I've used it there
20:06 VanessaE         oh ok
20:06 asie             all mesegates textures are optimized
20:06 asie             that's how it fits in about 7KB for the whole mod
20:06 Calinou          optipng -o6 -zm1-9 -strip all
20:06 Calinou          is very good (but lenghty)
20:06 asie             for i in *.png; do pngout -y $i $I; done
20:06 Calinou          removing -zm1-9 is less lengthy, but not the best one
20:06 asie             err, $i $i
20:06 Calinou          you can use *.png as input
20:06 Calinou          all files in a directory are processed
20:06 Calinou          with OptiPNG
20:07 Calinou          much easier /P
20:07 Calinou          :P*
20:07 asie             oh wow
20:07 asie             optipng is actually smaller
20:07 asie             nice
20:07 Calinou          and it's free software ;)
20:07 PenguinDad       advpng is nice too
20:08 zsoltisawesome   pngcrush?
20:09 Jordach          s/CURLed/cURLed/
20:09 * PenguinDad     gives everyone good-night-everyone.png
20:15 asie             okay guys
20:15 asie             putting up a test mesegates server
20:15 EvergreenTree    ip?
20:15 asie             one sec
20:15 Megaf            mesegates?
20:16 EvergreenTree    a mod he is working on
20:16 asie             Megaf: my logic gates mod
20:16 Megaf            asie: github? forum topic? wensite?
20:16 Megaf            s/wen/web
20:16 asie             Megaf: http://blog.asie.pl/ is all you need
20:16 asie             also forum topic is in the modding general
20:16 asie             asie.pl : 30000
20:17 asie             one last reboot, though
20:17 asie             a few minor tweaks
20:17 Calinou          http://asie.pl/ → is pretty empty :P
20:17 Megaf            3 inputs asie, well done
20:18 asie             Megaf: or 2 inputs
20:18 asie             it's tweakable
20:18 EvergreenTree    waiting for media
20:18 zsoltisawesome   me too
20:18 asie             EvergreenTree: i rebooted it
20:18 asie             zsoltisawesome: i rebooted it
20:18 asie             reconnect.
20:18 Megaf            OR and NOT gates, cool
20:18 asie             Megaf: and more!
20:18 Megaf            asie: what about flips flops?
20:19 asie             Megaf: soon.
20:19 EvergreenTree    there are so many different kinds of gates
20:19 Megaf            well, at least now we have enough gates to make a flipflop
20:19 zsoltisawesome   Media
20:19 EvergreenTree    right
20:19 zsoltisawesome   shoot
20:19 zsoltisawesome   this is taking forever, gonna grab a burrito
20:19 Megaf            asie: some player on my server will be like crazy when I add this mod
20:19 asie             yes
20:19 Megaf            and I'm one of them
20:19 asie             it's lightweight, well-coded and only needs recipes
20:20 zsoltisawesome   #suchlag
20:20 Megaf            asie: recipes could be based on silicon and mesecons
20:20 Megaf            mese fragments I mean
20:20 asie             zsoltisawesome: something is wrong
20:20 zsoltisawesome   what?
20:20 asie             i'm rebooting it
20:20 harrison         only by repetition, repetion and more repetition can the 01,09memehopper achieve victory!
20:20 asie             the server stopped responding and i don't know why
20:20 zsoltisawesome   ok
20:21 zsoltisawesome   i am joining
20:21 asie             loading
20:21 zsoltisawesome   probably thats why
20:21 * Tiktalik       waves at asie
20:21 * asie           waves at Tiktalik
20:21 zsoltisawesome   fucking minetest
20:21 Megaf            asie: we need a faster more efficient kind of wiring too
20:21 zsoltisawesome   access vilolations
20:21 asie             Megaf: nore is working on it
20:21 asie             or was
20:22 nore             asie, about what?
20:22 asie             nore: better wires
20:22 zsoltisawesome   this time, don't stop the server
20:22 nore             ah, I just made a slight update to fix a bug
20:22 nore             the drawback is that those wires register a lot of nodes (~320 IIRC)
20:23 Megaf            nore: github link?
20:23 asie             nore: my gates register 8 nodes per gate
20:23 nore             https://github.com/Novatux/wires
20:23 asie             and some, like the repeater, will register around 24
20:23 nore             no, I mean, 320*2
20:23 Megaf            asie: is that bad?
20:24 asie             something started lagging like crazy again
20:24 asie             and the server is not giving any output again
20:24 asie             what is it? i know it's not related to my mod
20:24 asie             oh there we go
20:24 asie             it works now
20:24 nore             total: 800 nodes for all wires
20:24 EvergreenTree    what was it?
20:24 Amaz_            That seems to be me. It always seems to happen when I join.
20:24 asie             Amaz_: keep joining
20:24 asie             you will eventually
20:25 Amaz_            Trying again...
20:31 asie             https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9247
20:31 asie             is that texture ripped off?
20:32 Calinou          yes it is
20:33 asie             what are with those lagspikes?
20:34 asie             the server just randomly stops responding for 15 seconds
20:34 asie             what is with*
20:34 MegAFK           asie: saving map to disk?
20:34 asie             MegAFK: Using LevelDB; would redis be better?
20:35 Calinou          redis is faster but requires (complex) setup
20:35 asie             i used redis
20:35 VanessaE         Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit/f7e1999abb0f5672b981090064294e4be8a80e57
20:35 VanessaE         better?
20:35 Calinou          haha, nice
20:35 MegAFK           asie: just set save map interaval to a higher value
20:36 MegAFK           and set sqlite syncronous to 1
20:36 MegAFK           if its just a test server
20:36 Calinou          not sure if higher value really speeds up stuff, since you have more stuff to save
20:36 asie             server_map_save_interval = 5.3
20:36 asie             MegAFK: I use LevelDB
20:36 VanessaE         (the 16px size still lacks a visible lock, because I didn't figure it would really be particularly obvious at that size, so no point)
20:36 MegAFK           Calinou: 60 is a good value
20:37 MegAFK           17:36 < Calinou> not sure if higher value really speeds up stuff, since you have more stuff to save
20:37 MegAFK           THinking about that I tested saving data each second
20:37 asie             oh wait
20:37 MegAFK           and every five seconds too
20:37 asie             i'm /not/ using leveldb
20:37 MegAFK           painfuly slow
20:37 asie             why am i not using leveldb
20:38 asie             how to force minetest to use leveldb?
20:38 MegAFK           asie: migrate
20:39 asie             MegAFK: migrate?
20:39 asie             i don't need my current map
20:39 asie             i just want to make a new one using leveldb as its backend
20:39 asie             ooooh
20:39 asie             i see
20:39 MegAFK           asie: then, remove map.sqlite and in world.mt set it to use leveldb
20:39 asie             sorry, nvm, nvm
20:39 MegAFK           bye
20:40 asie             okay, it works now
20:41 Calinou          MegAFK, then beg in #minetest-dev about making 60 seconds (or more) the default :P
20:42 zsoltisawesome   omfg: http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/30/sony-185tb-data-tape/?ncid=rss_truncated&cps=gravity
20:42 asie             using leveldb and disabling rollbacks helped a lt
20:42 zsoltisawesome   asie, is the server up?
20:42 asie             yes
20:43 zsoltisawesome   connecting... again...
20:47 zsoltisawesome   connected
20:54 * Calinou        throws the hover in the Images directory
20:54 Calinou          really...
20:54 Calinou          spent more than an hour trying to make the hovers able to go up and down
20:56 zsoltisawesome   Calinou: hovers?
20:57 Calinou          like boats, but would float
20:57 Calinou          ;)
20:58 Calinou          I can make them “float” on ground around and fall, float in the air without falling: but in both cases I can't make them go up or down like I want
21:01 zsoltisawesome   ah
21:10 Mimilus          plop
21:11 zsoltisawesome   plip
21:11 Mimilus          Is it possible to play an animated png just one time after a click on a node ?
21:12 Mimilus          Is it possible to have automatic ejection of particles for a specific node ?
21:14 Calinou          third person distance increased locally, looks better
21:15 Calinou          :)
21:15 Calinou          from 2 to 3 nodes (camera.cpp)
21:16 asie             Mimilus: I believe you could just make it stop animate after a specified amount of time with minetest.after
21:16 asie             And for the latter, I don't think so but I'm not an API expert
21:16 Mimilus          asie, thx i'll take a look
21:18 WindHero         anyone else find this a bit vague? http://dev.minetest.net/Mapgen_Parameters#minetest.set_mapgen_params.28.29
21:18 Mimilus          asie, http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.after is this the good wiki version ?
21:19 asie             maybe
21:19 asie             i tend to use http://tinyurl.com/mt-lua-api and Ctrl+F
21:20 Mimilus          ôÔ
21:21 asie             ó.
21:21 Mimilus          asie, thx for the info
21:22 * Mimilus        bookmarking
21:24 zsoltisawesome   }
21:25 zsoltisawesome   ô
21:25 zsoltisawesome   öò
21:25 zsoltisawesome   lol
21:28 WindHero         all these special characters that European keyboards get....
21:28 WindHero         but still, I can use ʗɦɑɽɱɒṕ
21:28 zsoltisawesome   §
21:28 zsoltisawesome   P
21:28 zsoltisawesome   :P
21:29 WindHero         אַ
21:29 WindHero         :P
21:29 zsoltisawesome   ╦
21:29 WindHero         don't get too far....
21:29 zsoltisawesome   ♪
21:30 zsoltisawesome   ♪
21:30 zsoltisawesome   ☺☻♥
21:30 WindHero         well, got it to finally force singlenode for my game
21:30 zsoltisawesome   fun
21:30 WindHero         minetest.register_on_mapgen_init(	minetest.set_mapgen_params(mgparams))
21:30 zsoltisawesome   â—„â–º
21:31 zsoltisawesome   ↕
21:31 Amaz_            Simple mobs and 3d_armor aren't working together any more... They were working fine until recently... But now, I am imortal against mobs when wearing any armor at all, even a wood chestplate...
21:31 WindHero         @Amaz_, really?
21:31 WindHero         john, please stop
21:32 Amaz_            It seems so. I'm useing a fairly recent dev build. I'll update and see what happens.
21:32 WindHero         which was the one you updated most recently?
21:34 Amaz_            I'm using a fairly old version of simple mobs (The last one in PlizAdam's repo) and a month or two old version of 3d_armor... And I tested the latest of both, and it still happens.
21:35 WindHero         what does the lua window show?
21:35 Amaz_            What do you mean?
21:35 WindHero         when mobs try attacking you, what does the black window say?
21:36 zsoltisawesome   lol "BTC 1NfBXWqseXc9rCBc3Cbbu6HjxYssFUgkH6
21:36 WindHero         it's usually something like "LuaEntitySAO hits singleplayer for 0 HP"
21:36 zsoltisawesome   We did not invent the algorithm. The algorithm consistently finds Jesus. The algorithm killed Jeeves.
21:36 zsoltisawesome   The algorithm is banned in China. The algorithm is from Jersey. The algorithm constantly finds Jesus.
21:36 zsoltisawesome   This is not the algorithm. This is close."
21:36 Amaz_            Just let me check. I don't normaly start from the terminal.
21:37 zsoltisawesome   can anyone host a Moontest server for a sec?
21:37 Amaz_            22:37:19: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player singleplayer punched by LuaEntitySAO at (31.1,8.51,27.1), damage 0 HP
21:38 WindHero         I'll think about it
21:38 WindHero         gtg
21:38 Amaz_            If I'm not wearing armor it's fine, and if I use minetest 0.4.9 stable it's also fine
21:39 asie             so i found a few bugs
21:39 asie             firstly, detector tubes don't seem to work for me
21:39 asie             secondly, wires being pushed by pistons cause a lot of weird edge cases
21:40 harrison         As John Hussman of Hussman Funds comments, “Believing that historical tendencies have evolved into a new paradigm will likely have the same results as playing leapfrog with a unicorn.”
21:43 zsoltisawesome   http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/22/lytro-illum/?ncid=rss_truncated&cps=gravity
21:44 zsoltisawesome   somebody host a moontest server for a sec?
21:45 zsoltisawesome   silence................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
21:45 zsoltisawesome   ^many dots
21:45 harrison         somebody else is on the moon
21:46 lordcirth        zsoltisawesome, I guess I could
21:46 zsoltisawesome   cool!
21:46 zsoltisawesome   wow
21:46 lordcirth        zsoltisawesome, which git repo/branch?
21:46 zsoltisawesome   master, mine
21:47 lordcirth        zsoltisawesome, which would be ManofMinetest24?
21:47 zsoltisawesome   yus
21:47 lordcirth        cloning
21:48 zsoltisawesome   fun
21:48 zsoltisawesome   lol
21:48 zsoltisawesome   my plugin works!
21:48 zsoltisawesome   RedDoge has left (Quit: Page closed)
21:49 lordcirth        zsoltisawesome, any particular seed?
21:49 zsoltisawesome   &99
21:49 zsoltisawesome   ^that
21:50 zsoltisawesome   oops
21:50 lordcirth        odd.  What mapgen?
21:50 zsoltisawesome   lol
21:50 zsoltisawesome   v7
21:51 zsoltisawesome   in theory it should force v7, but it might not
21:51 Amaz_            It (for me) always does.
21:52 lordcirth        zsoltisawesome, running, 75.119.249.81 , port 30000
21:52 lordcirth        gtg tho
21:52 zsoltisawesome   ok
22:03 kaeza            evenings
22:03 WindHero         good evening
22:03 WindHero         (although it's noon here xD)
22:07 WindHero         well, it's one thing to use noise to generate a ton of islands
22:07 WindHero         and it's another to generate a single island at a specific place without noise
22:12 WindHero         I'm working on creating a Minetest game with nothing but floating islands, so I need to ensure an island appears at the origin so as not to leave people fall to their doom
22:16 WindHero         :P
22:16 WindHero         seems legit
22:19 WindHero         lol
22:35 WindHero         the moment you inadvertently create an hourglass of stone with the voxel manipulator
22:37 lordcirth        Wow, everybody is on my server now...
22:37 WindHero         how many people?
22:46 lordcirth        WindHero, I accidentally made it "public" forgetting that meant lobby.  so like 50, who had no idea what to do
22:46 lordcirth        Supposed to be a dev server
22:48 lordcirth        So many bones xd
23:09 WindHero         xD
23:09 WindHero         that can be problematic
23:18 zsoltisawesome   lol
23:20 WindHero         well, so far so good with a spawn-island gen
23:20 lordcirth        Yeah, I just deleted and remade with same seed, since I can do that now
23:20 WindHero         cool, about the easiest barring WorldEdit
23:20 WindHero         (replace command)
23:21 lordcirth        yeah, that would work too.  But people had done lots of random stuff, like wood houses, etc
23:21 lordcirth        and torches! :P
23:22 WindHero         oh, this had been that way overnight or something
23:22 WindHero         then yeah, total reset :P
23:36 WindHero         Now I have the most basic of starting islands....
23:37 WindHero         a semi-bowl filled with water 10 below origin
23:37 WindHero         gotta make this bigger....
23:45 zsoltisawesome   WindHero: I wish you luck
23:45 WindHero         thank you!
23:45 WindHero         so far, my get-up for the game is a singlenode map gen,
23:45 WindHero         players are given a helicopter and 99 torches by default
23:46 zsoltisawesome   so, is singlenode like turning off mapgen?
23:46 WindHero         yeah
23:46 zsoltisawesome   lol
23:46 WindHero         only the rare nyancat block appears
23:46 zsoltisawesome   haha
23:46 zsoltisawesome   just remove that code, and you have yourself a bunch of void!
23:46 zsoltisawesome   XD
23:47 WindHero         :P
23:47 WindHero         yup
23:47 zsoltisawesome   fun
23:47 zsoltisawesome   so, how does one make custom generators
23:47 zsoltisawesome   i need some for moontest
23:47 WindHero         not really sure if you can create a base engine mapgen
23:48 WindHero         but you can make one through lua mods and just use singlenode
23:48 WindHero         mainly, use voxelmanip
23:49 WindHero         take a look at skylands or (even better), one of paramat's mapgens such as watershed
23:49 WindHero         experimentalmg is another to look at
23:49 zsoltisawesome   i need like pregenerated sturutures
23:50 zsoltisawesome   moontest is based from paramat's moonrealm mapgen
23:51 WindHero         if you're looking for something like that
23:51 WindHero         definitely look at https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7263
23:52 WindHero         it actually generates villages randomly
23:57 zsoltisawesome   thats cool
23:57 zsoltisawesome   sounds like i could use that
23:58 WindHero         :)
23:58 lordseanington   VanessaE, can you giveme interact on your mostly vanilla minetest server under this name