Time Nick Message 00:00 Megaf Brazil operates a ‘Simplified Tax Regime’, where imports by post or courier valued between US$50 and US$3,000 are subject to a flat 60% Import Tax on the CIF value of the import. 00:00 VanessaE yeah 00:00 VanessaE scroll down a bit 00:00 VanessaE er up a bit 00:00 VanessaE this page is too simplified for idiots 00:00 VanessaE (not saying you're an idiot) 00:01 VanessaE where's the actual duty/import code? 00:01 Megaf It's in Portuguese only http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/aduana/rts.htm#Tributa%C3%A7%C3%A3o 00:01 * VanessaE lets chromium translate it... 00:02 Megaf http://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/aduana/rts.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/aduana/rts.htm%2523Tributa%2525C3%2525A7%2525C3%2525A3o%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-nightly%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26channel%3Dfflb 00:02 VanessaE already on it. 00:02 VanessaE reading... 00:05 VanessaE well at least books aren't taxed :P 00:06 VanessaE tell the shipper to declare the value at less than $50 then :) 00:06 VanessaE that's what the chinese do all the time 00:06 VanessaE for the same reason 00:06 VanessaE and I've done the same when shipping overseas at my customers' request 00:06 VanessaE also for the same reason 00:07 Megaf There are a handful of things that do work in Brazil 00:08 Megaf and tax colecting is one of them 00:08 VanessaE either that or do what crazyR suggested. Have someone in an overseas-shipping-friendly company buy it for you and ship it you do, declared at a very low value. 00:08 VanessaE "..and ship it to you, ..." 00:10 VanessaE have some American buy the desired on amazon with free shipping, then they turn around and use US Postal Service Flat Rate Priority to send it to you. it'll be there in about a week and it'll only cost about $16. 00:10 Exio4 hi 00:10 VanessaE hey Exio4 00:10 * Megaf looks at VanessaE 00:10 VanessaE don't look at me, I'm too poor to do it. 00:11 VanessaE plus I can't guarantee that my idea will work 00:11 Exio4 in argentina since there are a new "import checks" 00:11 Exio4 they check if what you got is "really" what it says 00:12 Exio4 if the paper says 25 USD and you got a harddisk and a fan and lots of shit, they won't let you take it 00:12 Exio4 but if you say that is actually 200 USD when it really was 350~ there is no problem, (unless we're talking about 500 and 1000 and so on :P) 00:13 Megaf same in Brazil Exio4 00:13 VanessaE Exio4: what if it's declared as a gift 00:13 VanessaE e.g. a birthday present or similar? 00:13 Megaf if you say something is much cheaper than really is they will tax over a price they believe is the right one 00:14 Megaf VanessaE: in Brazil it depends on the mood of the tax agent 00:14 Megaf really 00:14 Megaf Hi Exio4 00:14 Exio4 i don't really know how "gifts" are exent of the taxes 00:14 WindHero Megaf, apparently someone is looking for you on the server 00:15 Exio4 i don't think they allow a lot of "overhead" there though 00:15 Megaf WindHero: who? 00:15 WindHero PoisonedArrow 00:15 Exio4 overhead because i don't know a better word for saying price of a thing 00:15 Megaf WindHero: joing 00:15 VanessaE Megaf: well I'm afraid you're pretty well boned then 00:16 VanessaE relocate or push to have that law repealed 00:16 Megaf VanessaE: Told you, at least they did not tax my Raspberry Pi 00:16 Exio4 VanessaE: look at argentina in the 90s 00:16 Exio4 we did everything like you said 00:17 Exio4 i actually think having everything taxed wouldn't be so bad if we actually saw that money going to REAL places 00:17 Megaf Exio4: same here 00:17 Exio4 like education, and REAL stuff, not the shitty laptops we get 00:17 VanessaE Exio4: there's nothing wrong with *reasonable* taxes. 00:17 VanessaE but a 60% import tax plus up to 30% more on top of that? that's unreasonable. 00:18 Megaf VanessaE: Brazilian people dont mind at all in paying 55%+ of theier salaries in taxes. Only if we could have some return 00:18 Exio4 s/Brazilian// 00:18 VanessaE if your country has no manufacturing capacity to replace that which is not being imported, and it never comes about, then the import taxes serve no purpose but to line some politician's pocket. 00:18 VanessaE Megaf: americans pay about the same after all is said and done. 00:19 VanessaE or a little less perhaps 00:19 Megaf out roads are full of holes, out hospitals doesnt work and you die waiting to be heard, 00:19 VanessaE (somewhere way north of 40%, nearly 50%) 00:19 Megaf well, NOTHING here works but tax 00:19 Exio4 lol 00:19 Exio4 the solution is { Taxes } 00:20 Megaf we easily pay bilions of a 80 meter long bridge 00:20 Megaf for* 00:20 Megaf you have no idea how expensive the world cup is going to be here 00:20 Exio4 i can guess 00:21 Exio4 we barely have spare money, and when we have, it disappears or is wasted 00:24 Exio4 i know this may sound like a bit bad but the AUH (spanish link: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asignaci%C3%B3n_Universal_por_Hijo) is like one of the things that makes the "working class" a bit angry 00:24 Exio4 and the plan "Conectar igualdad", with lots of netbooks! everywhere! 00:24 Exio4 used for playing counter strike 1.6 and gta vice city at school 00:24 Exio4 because teachers don't know how to use the system properly 00:25 Exio4 and yeah, they have servers 00:25 Exio4 for not letting the kids have facebook at school! 00:25 Exio4 so they play lan games 00:26 Exio4 anyway, after three years, i'll be getting my laptop 00:26 Exio4 i had to make my CUIL three years ago, it is basically a way to track all the people 00:27 Exio4 my fingerprint and all the shit 00:27 Megaf Exio4: same here 00:27 Megaf "we" give laptops to poor kids 00:28 Exio4 here it is to "kids" 00:29 Exio4 and also, the AUH means the kid needs to go to the school 00:29 Exio4 even if the kid is only there for being a bastard to the children that really want to study 00:30 Exio4 yeah, i think that thing would have been nice in 2002 00:30 Exio4 and then said, WHEN it was made, that it would stop existing in 2004-5 00:31 Exio4 the problem is that the inflation is flying up, and there are no real numbers 00:31 Exio4 so basically the numbers the gov "manages" are waay outdated 00:32 Exio4 Aumentar la matrícula escolar. 00:32 Exio4 Mejorar la asistencia y la retención escolar de los estudiantes. 00:32 Exio4 "More children @ schools and they stay there" 00:32 Exio4 nice thing eh 00:35 Exio4 https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3digo_%C3%9Anico_de_Identificaci%C3%B3n_Laboral wtf Visual Basic 00:41 WindHero Megaf, he's back 00:44 WindHero someone also needs interact 00:45 Inocudom Mighty storms are moving across the United States. 00:46 WindHero minus Hawaii 00:46 Exio4 i thought you didn't have storms 00:46 Exio4 but tornados 00:47 Inocudom USA is the tornado capital of the planet. We also get hurricanes and Derichos. 00:47 WindHero Hawaii gets hurricanes once in a blue moon, but they usually pass by us 00:48 Inocudom In essence, the USA is the windiest country on the planet because of those tornadoes. 00:48 Exio4 However, the vast majority of tornadoes occur in the Tornado Alley region of the United States 00:49 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado 00:49 Inocudom Most of them do, but they can happen in North Carolina too, and they did. 00:51 WindHero Megaf: when you get back, someone back on the other server needed interact 00:51 WindHero their name was dookie011 00:51 WindHero but they logged off a short while ago 00:51 Inocudom Enke, did you know that xyz made a new Windows build of Freeminer recently. Look for it in Windows Builds in the Freeminer forums. 00:52 Inocudom You can test the indev farmesh feature with that build. 00:52 Exio4 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Globdisttornado.jpg wtf 00:55 Enke Did you see CraigiDavi's build? 00:55 Enke I'm using that one. 00:55 Inocudom Did he just post one? I will go check. 01:57 Inocudom Bye. 02:44 MegAFK Good night 03:29 WindHero Well that's convenient 03:30 WindHero while coding my lockpicks, it just so happens that picking a chest one level higher than the pick of choice breaks it without fail 03:30 WindHero *the pick, that is 03:55 WindHero huh, with the minetest-dev channel I'm getting an error saying it can't send messages to it 03:56 VanessaE only real IRC clients are allowed 03:56 VanessaE webchat is muted there. 03:57 VanessaE use hexchat, xchat, mirc, etc etc. 03:57 VanessaE wb, RealBadAngel 03:57 WindHero weird 03:58 WindHero it worked yesterday for some reason 03:58 VanessaE not weird, it wasn't ever supposed to work anyway 03:58 VanessaE too much off-topic chatter from webchat users in general, that's why it's muted there 03:59 WindHero I guess I'll just ask here then 03:59 WindHero until I get a client app tomorrow 03:59 WindHero ah, I see 03:59 WindHero is it possible to override nodes with the form of minetest.register_node(name.."_t_1", {stuff}) in their original code? 04:00 WindHero i.e., minetest.register_node(:name.."_t_1", {stuff}) 04:00 VanessaE yes, there is a minetest.override_item() call I believe it's called 04:00 VanessaE and you call it just like you just wrote there. 04:00 WindHero ah, so that's the way around it 04:00 WindHero thank you 04:00 VanessaE minetest.override_item("nodename", {new def}) 04:01 VanessaE (where the new def has just the few things that need changed) 04:01 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1244 04:02 WindHero oh, so it even lets you just replace one function while keeping the rest in-tact 04:02 WindHero that will make editing [doors] so much easier 04:02 WindHero thank you again 04:22 lordcirth WindHero, So I improved my trap :) It has 2 luacontrollers now for all the ports. 04:22 WindHero cool! 04:22 WindHero catch anyone yet? ;) 04:23 lordcirth WindHero, nope, singleplayer only. although I could run it as a server briefly if you want to check it out 04:24 WindHero eh, not right now, kinda multitasking 04:24 lordcirth WindHero, ya too late tonight anyway. let me know later if you want to see 04:24 WindHero gotta make sure my changes to doors are carried through 04:26 WindHero yay, it works 04:26 WindHero now I just gotta make that mesecons trapchest, and I'm good to go 04:26 WindHero gonna log off a while though 09:57 reactor Eh! 10:23 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:23 PenguinDad PilzAdam: o/ 10:53 RealBadAngel hi PilzAdam 11:31 Krock Helllo 11:36 PenguinDad A wild Krock appears! 11:36 Krock Hungry...let's see if penguins are tasty 11:38 * PenguinDad uses minetest.get_player_sysinfo() at Krock 11:39 * Krock returns nil 11:40 * Krock notices, userscrips.org is under DDoS attack 11:45 * Krock sends modifed HTTP user agent to PenguinDad: "Mozilla/5.0 (MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/5.0)" 11:48 crazyR guys can you think of a reason why my server isnt generating and lava lakes. im using standard setting mapgen v6 11:48 crazyR *any 11:49 Krock crazyR, would be nice if lava is aliassed in the game 11:49 Krock minetest.register_alias("mapgen_water_source", "default:water_source") 11:50 crazyR what i mean is there is no lava other than what the nether mod created. its litrally not generating it, 11:52 Krock maybe added nocaves to the settings? 11:52 Krock *mg_params 11:52 Krock *lafs 11:52 crazyR is that what creates them 11:52 Krock it needs caves 11:52 crazyR thanks 11:52 Krock np 11:52 crazyR its wierd, on clinet they are created by defualt 11:53 crazyR *single player 11:54 crazyR mg_flags = trees, caves <-- thats the current setting for the mg_flags 11:54 * Krock still needs a bmp/png/gif map generating tool which suports leveldb and win32 >.< 11:56 * Krock thinks about making one self in c# 12:08 Krock wtf? minetest crashes on generating new leveldb 12:08 Krock -map 12:12 Krock sfan5! 12:12 PenguinDad Krock! 12:12 Krock PenguinDad! You're not sfan5! 12:13 Megaf Hi all 12:13 Krock newest win32 build + "backend = leveldb" = crash with no error log 12:13 Krock hi alone 12:14 Megaf VanessaE: irssi and weechat for the win 12:14 PenguinDad Megaf: o/ 12:15 Krock what?? Nettalk ftw 12:15 Krock (ftw in meaning of "for the win", not like "fk da world") 12:15 PenguinDad Krock: weechat is better :p 12:16 Hirato proller__: not cool man, defaulting to to RUN_IN_PLACE 12:16 proller__ why? 12:16 proller__ 99% peoples who compile from git use it 12:17 Hirato it broke my pkgbuilds :( 12:17 proller__ no problem to add it to all 2-3 packages 12:17 Hirato and you're supposed to have shit in a home directory somewhere 12:17 proller__ cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 12:18 proller__ if you clone from git - you already have shit 12:19 * Krock loves his single-minetest-folder at E:ProgrammeMinetest :) 12:19 Hirato windows is a different beastie :P 12:19 Krock Not possible to mess up folders there (almost not) 12:20 Hirato I never test running any of my stuff without a home folder 12:20 Hirato helps keep that directory clean and free of personal/user files 12:21 * Megaf listening the police! What do I do now? 12:22 Krock jump off a cobble tower -' 12:22 Krock *-^ 12:22 PenguinDad Turn off the music ;) 12:22 Megaf PenguinDad: good man 12:23 Megaf Im listening The Police - Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic 12:24 Krock Magic? there you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iiryJwvDtc 12:24 Krock ~title 12:24 ShadowBot Krock: Pilot - Magic - You Tube Exclusive! - IN STEREO 1975 - YouTube 12:24 Krock <3 ShadowBot 12:24 ShadowBot 04♥ Krock. 12:24 Megaf wow 12:24 PenguinDad !title 12:24 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Pilot - Magic - You Tube Exclusive! - IN STEREO 1975 - YouTube 12:24 Megaf colorful red filled heart 12:24 PenguinDad <3 MinetestBot 12:24 MinetestBot <3 PenguinDad 12:26 Megaf change the world, by eric clapton, good music too 12:27 Megaf common, everyone listening this lovely radio! http://slowradio.be/ 12:29 Megaf They need help! 12:29 Megaf The only good music commercial free radio 12:29 * Hirato loads up jamendo 12:30 PenguinDad Here is a free music radio http://theradio.cc/ 12:32 * Krock doesn't need internet for listening radio 12:33 PenguinDad do you know any non internet radio that plays only free music? 12:35 Krock PenguinDad, how to call something "free"? 12:44 MinetestBot GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #140 once again a6916191aa 2014-04-30T14:44:47+02:00 http://git.io/NG6tXQ 13:08 crazyR when trying to call this 'minetest.get_player_privs(name)' function i get this error and ideas: attempt to call field 'get_player_information' (a nil value) ? 13:09 crazyR sorry wronf function 13:09 crazyR *minetest.get_player_information(name) 13:10 Krock look up doc/lua_api.txt 13:10 crazyR im on it now. all that tells me is what info i can grab. 13:17 PenguinDad crazyR: latest git? 13:18 crazyR yep 13:18 crazyR well its the latest as of 2 days ago 13:19 PenguinDad ~help tell 13:19 ShadowBot PenguinDad: (tell ) -- Tells the next time is seen. can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note. 13:28 Krock hey john! 13:29 crazyR PenguinDad, Krock: the wierd thing is it works fine in local multiplayer 13:29 Krock crazyR, the weird thing is, I can't create leveldb maps 13:33 PenguinDad hello john_minetest 13:33 crazyR lol, ouch, i cant complain on that issue, its working fine for me for once 13:37 rubenwardy Hi all! 13:39 Krock hi r b n a d 13:39 Krock u e w r y 13:40 rubenwardy ha 13:40 rubenwardy nice 13:41 Krock do I get a cookie for this work? 13:48 rubenwardy Of course! 13:49 Krock :D 13:50 Krock ℓσℓ тнαт'ƨ ғʋииʏ 13:51 PenguinDad ғʋииʏ тнαт? 13:54 PenguinDad σ_σ 13:54 Krock Õ_Õ 13:55 PenguinDad ó_Ò 14:01 Krock öäüéàè 14:01 PenguinDad Äüßerhälb 14:01 Krock Even more keys 14:01 Krock Äüßërhälb 14:02 Krock ^- this 14:02 PenguinDad ĸay 14:06 FreeFull Try ǻ 14:07 Krock Where can I buy a Strawberry e? 14:12 Krock ßchwërgëwïcht? 14:19 Krock john_minetest, ask Calinou 14:19 Krock they're natural 14:20 FreeFull ëüŕóṕé 14:20 Krock wut? i can't reproduce the r with ´ 14:24 FreeFull ẃéŕýúíóṕáśǵḱĺźćǘńḿ 14:28 MinetestBot PilzAdam is back! 14:28 Krock OMG 14:32 rubenwardy ? 15:01 PenguinDad ŕ 15:03 Jordach w00t! 15:05 Jordach MONEY 15:06 PenguinDad *MONEYS 15:06 PenguinDad :p 15:06 * Jordach got an extra £11 quid in UK Gov. cash 15:07 Jordach NOTICE: BFD DEVELOPMENT HAS STOPPED FOR 1 WEEK 15:07 Jordach (i have Pokémon Y on 3DS) 15:08 Krock Jordach, WHY? Oh noez! plez not! 15:08 Jordach Krock, seen the message from MinetestBot 15:08 Krock Jordach, no. *scrols up* 15:09 PenguinDad what has PilzAdam to do with BFD development? 15:09 Jordach Krock i, too, used to be like you: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&start=275 15:09 Krock lol 15:11 Krock Jordach, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=11117#p11117 good old times 15:12 Jordach Krock, notice that it was ON the SAME acer tower as yours and running XP 15:12 Hirato 1 week? 15:12 Jordach we happen to have shared our history :P 15:12 Hirato I think someone's a little optimistic 15:12 Krock Jordach, yes I know. 15:12 * Krock needs to get jordach's new PC 15:12 Krock ..and throw it in some cloning machine 15:13 Jordach Krock, any quad core (AMD-A8 / Intel i5 will suffice btw) 15:14 Jordach i took the A10 as it was more value for money than the A8 (and had more specs too - like twice the stuff bundled) 15:15 Krock ok 15:17 Jordach Krock, the A10 does have a turbo mode (hint - it can go ALL THE WAY upto 6.0ghz) 15:18 Taoki Hey... I have a question about something. Is it possible to modify the size of a player's inventory? I'm thinking of a mod where some players can have a bigger inventory, whereas others might have no inventory at all. Is this possible? 15:18 Krock Jordach, ah yes, I know those turbo buttoms from my mother's 90' PC, speedup from 75 MHz to 80! WOW 15:18 Krock *buttons 15:18 Taoki By no inventory at all, I mean neither inventory nor hotbar, and no ability to hold or carry any item. I wonder if that's doable in any form 15:18 Jordach Taoki, look at PilzAdam's nodetopia 15:18 PenguinDad Taoki: nodetopia 15:18 Jordach that has something like it (different inv size) 15:18 Taoki Ok :) 15:20 sfan5 Krock! 15:20 Krock sfan5! Help! 15:20 rubenwardy in #minetest-mods: You could remove the hotbar from the HUD, and overwrite the inventory formspec for no inventory 15:21 sfan5 Krock: I was able to reproduce your problem, but I dunno what causes it 15:22 Krock sfan5, seems like libleveldb.dll causes those problems 15:22 Krock could have a typo in it? no idea 15:22 sfan5 I might have to recompile it 15:22 sfan5 *sigh* 15:22 sfan5 no it couldn't 15:22 Taoki PenguinDad: Where do I find the feature there? 15:23 PenguinDad look at the backpack thing 15:24 Taoki Not seeing any backpack 15:25 PenguinDad Taoki: https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia/blob/master/mods/backpack/init.lua 15:27 PenguinDad player:get_inventory():set_size("main", 0) 15:27 PenguinDad ^ Taoki 15:27 Krock srsly? what's the use of remove inventory space? where will the items go to? 15:27 Taoki Nice 15:28 Taoki Does that affect the hotbar? 15:28 Taoki I mean, the hotbar isn't a special inventory slot right? Just a part of the user's inventory 15:28 Krock player.hud_set_hotbar_itemcount(player, 6) 15:28 Krock set to 0? 15:28 Taoki Oh, nice. If it works that way it's all good 15:28 Taoki Sure :) 15:29 Taoki The number must be at least 1 though. Can prolly find a way around that however 15:30 * PenguinDad is listening to czech heavy metal 15:30 Krock Taoki, just allow 1 inventory slot..enough space for 99 cobble through 15:30 Megaf VanessaE: How do I use the detector tube? 15:31 Krock Megaf, connect it on both sides with normal tubes, and on one side with a mesecon 15:31 Krock (ansering cuz vanessae maybe is afk or offline) 15:32 Krock It will send a mesecon signal when a item goes through it 15:32 Megaf Krock: so I did right, but nothing happens 15:33 Krock Megaf, maybe the signal is just over 0.01s? try again 15:36 Megaf I just worked once 15:36 Megaf it doesnt work very well 15:36 Krock but it does 15:38 sfan5 meow 15:38 Jordach i am not a smart person 15:38 Jordach just tried to put my headphones to hear the 3DS better 15:38 Krock wow. post nr. 14'000 posted by MirceaKitsune 15:38 Jordach and its in the PC socket 15:39 Taoki yay 15:39 Taoki Had no idea what I just did :P 15:41 Calinou hi 15:41 Krock hi. 15:41 * sfan5 meows at Calinou 15:41 Calinou PilzAdam, would doubling mob spawn ABM interval (from 30 to 60 seconds), and dividing chance by 2, reduce server load? 15:42 Calinou it looks like mob spawns are the most demanding thing on the server 15:42 PilzAdam Calinou, yes, that could work 15:42 Calinou I'll try doing that then 15:42 PilzAdam I think I already did that in Nodetopia 15:43 PilzAdam you could even divide it by 8 or 16 15:43 Calinou it checks for two air nodes: checking for only one may be faster? 15:43 Calinou (I don't care if some mobs spawn with head in stone, not a big problem) 15:44 Calinou actually may help me a bit :D 15:45 Calinou PilzAdam, 8 or 16 seems like a lot, that would mean mob spawns occur every 4 or 8 minutes 15:45 Calinou I'll try 120 second interval 15:48 Calinou heh, I saw 3 rats spawn at the same time 15:51 Calinou PilzAdam, I get short freezes on mob spawns now 15:52 PilzAdam Calinou, divide the time by 16 and multiply the chance by 16 15:52 PilzAdam its the same spawn rate but less nodes per step 15:53 Calinou ah 15:53 Calinou I thought you wanted me to make the ABM run less often 15:54 Calinou also, did a nice thing: mobs always jump while attacking :D 15:54 Calinou harder to hit, follows you faster when climbling up 15:54 Calinou PilzAdam, how would I divide 30 by 16? :p 15:54 Calinou how often should the ABM run? 15:55 PilzAdam you could try making it 1 second 15:55 Calinou won't that choke the server? 15:55 Calinou I'd say 2 seconds, like leaf decay 15:58 Calinou seems better now (with 2 seconds) 15:59 markveidemanis !up sslv.tk 30010 15:59 MinetestBot sslv.tk:30010 is up (344ms) 15:59 markveidemanis Mm 15:59 markveidemanis DNS is much quicker than I thought 16:00 markveidemanis like, 20 sec ago 16:00 markveidemanis !server players:least 16:00 MinetestBot markveidemanis: Road | setun.net:30002 | Clients: 0/497, 31 | Version: 0.4.9.3-free-dev | ping: 0.060 16:00 markveidemanis !server players:least 16:00 MinetestBot markveidemanis: Road | setun.net:30002 | Clients: 0/497, 31 | Version: 0.4.9.3-free-dev | ping: 0.060 16:00 markveidemanis Erm... Not hod i'd do it 16:01 markveidemanis 0/143666931 players lol 16:01 PenguinDad !server port:most 16:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results 16:01 PenguinDad !server players:most 16:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: RPi Game Test | minetest.megaf.info:30001 | Clients: 20/40, 28 | Version: 0.4.9-RPi | ping: 0.322 16:01 MegafK !seen shadowzone 16:01 MinetestBot MegafK: shadowzone was last seen at 2014-04-07 16:51:17 UTC on #minetest 16:01 markveidemanis !server players:median 16:01 MinetestBot markveidemanis: No results 16:02 PenguinDad !server ping:least 16:02 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Clip Public Server | 188.40.69.134 | Clients: 15/24, 31 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.002 16:02 Krock ~up minetest.ntdll.net 16:02 ShadowBot Krock: minetest.ntdll.net port 30000 is up (215ms) 16:02 MegafK !tell shadowzone I granted you privs, so you can grant interact to people on Pixel Art 16:02 MinetestBot MegafK: I'll pass that on when shadowzone is around 16:02 Krock woo 16:02 markveidemanis Hmm 16:02 markveidemanis What if the bots show ping differently 16:03 markveidemanis !up sslv.tk 30010 16:03 MinetestBot sslv.tk:30010 is up (431ms) 16:03 markveidemanis ~up sslv.tk 30010 16:03 MegafK ~up minetest.megaf.info 30004 16:03 ShadowBot markveidemanis: sslv.tk port 30010 is up (1611ms) 16:03 ShadowBot MegafK: minetest.megaf.info port 30004 is down 16:03 Krock what if bots are located on diffrent places on the world? 16:03 markveidemanis woah yep 16:03 MegafK ~up minetest.megaf.info 30003 16:03 ShadowBot MegafK: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (563ms) 16:03 MegafK !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 16:03 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (577ms) 16:03 Krock plz stop 16:03 MegafK bots are lagged 16:03 markveidemanis Try connecting to sslv.tk:30010 16:03 PenguinDad ShadowBot is in the us IIRC 16:03 ShadowBot PenguinDad: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 16:03 markveidemanis I was told everyone times out 16:04 Krock join inchranet irc, #botwar 16:04 Krock there's shadowbot sandbox 16:04 Calinou now you can meet tree and sand monsters in caves in Carbone! free sand and saplings for everyone! 16:04 Krock I've read "sand saplings" wtf? 16:04 Krock lol 16:05 Calinou plant sand! 16:05 Calinou git commit . -m "Add sand saplings as requested by Krock." 16:05 Calinou oops, wrong window 16:06 PenguinDad :D 16:06 markveidemanis Just how 16:07 PenguinDad the sand monsters are running away from me xD 16:09 markveidemanis ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(6/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter) 16:12 PenguinDad markveidemanis: only a normal timeout 16:12 markveidemanis How do i alter the time? 16:13 PenguinDad why would you need to? 16:15 markveidemanis Because there's a crapload to load 16:15 markveidemanis num_emerge_threads = 3 16:15 markveidemanis media_fetch_threads = 1 16:15 markveidemanis Is that effective? 16:15 markveidemanis ( I have 4 processors ) 16:15 PenguinDad 30 seconds is not enough? 16:16 markveidemanis WOah no definitely 16:16 markveidemanis Not on this connection 16:16 PenguinDad markveidemanis: media_fetch_threads is client side 16:16 markveidemanis okay, 4 then 16:17 markveidemanis What about this timeout 16:17 PenguinDad num_emerge_threads is server side 16:18 PenguinDad and media_fetch_threads only works on servers with remote_media 16:20 markveidemanis What about this timeout though? 16:20 Calinou I'll put my num_emerge_threads to 8 to try 16:21 Calinou 271% CPU used by Minetest \o/ 16:21 Megaf 13:09:27 markveidemanis | ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(6/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter) 16:22 Megaf That's a work around for a bug 16:22 markveidemanis wha? 16:22 Megaf may be someone using a messy client on a tablet 16:27 PenguinDad play singleplayer in latest git and look at the console when you leave the world with "exit to os" 16:28 PenguinDad sometimes you get a timeout 16:32 Krock PenguinDad, or just keep the console open 16:33 PenguinDad I didn't say when to look at the console 16:33 Krock nvm 16:40 Krock sfan5, any success? 16:44 sfan5 Krock: I did not try yet, sorry 16:45 Krock sfan5, oh ok. It's not very important but still a dust corn in the eye 16:45 * markveidemanis migrates to sqlite3 16:45 * Krock headdesks 16:45 sfan5 markveidemanis: lolwut 16:46 markveidemanis http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2014-03-27#i_3630978 16:50 VanessaE Jordach, happy birthday 16:52 sfan5 Krock: minetest is in germany & ShadowBot in US 16:52 Krock k 16:53 markveidemanis What if i use Tor for a minetest server? 16:54 Krock markveidemanis, can't trust server admins? lol 16:54 Megaf markveidemanis: really laggy 16:54 sfan5 markveidemanis: you can't 16:54 sfan5 tor only transfers TCP trafficx 16:54 sfan5 -x 16:55 Megaf sfan5: you can always use some kind of proxy 16:55 sfan5 UDP in TCP deafeats any purpose in udp 16:56 sfan5 Krock: try replacing libleveldb.dll with http://sfan5.duckdns.org/libleveldb.dll 16:56 Krock 404 Not Found 16:56 sfan5 try again 16:59 Exio4CI yay got free laptop 16:59 sfan5 wat 16:59 sfan5 give it to me 16:59 Exio4CI gov laptop 16:59 Exio4CI it is shit but is free 16:59 Krock sfan5, you earned 20 karma 16:59 Krock thx :D 16:59 sfan5 it works? 16:59 Exio4CI and there is no real use outside playing CS1.6 and GTA VC 16:59 sfan5 Exio4CI: win XP? 16:59 Krock yeah works perfect 16:59 sfan5 ok good 17:00 Exio4CI windows 7 pro 17:00 Exio4CI and a argentinian linux distro 17:00 Exio4CI both are shit 17:00 sfan5 hello OldCoder 17:00 sfan5 install linux mint 17:00 Krock don't 17:00 Exio4CI so i'm going to remove them, make a backup of the apps 17:00 OldCoder sfan5, Hello back 17:00 sfan5 (on an usb if you're not allowed to touch the hdd) 17:00 OldCoder Mint is O.K. 17:00 Exio4CI lol linux mint 17:00 Krock winfows XP ftw 17:00 OldCoder Depending on purpose 17:00 Exio4CI it is mine 17:00 sfan5 wub wub wub wub wub wub 17:01 Exio4CI i'll go with debian stable and a sid lxc 17:01 sfan5 damnit 17:01 * OldCoder got tired of fixing a roommate's Windows 8 laptop so he scrubbed it and installed Mint 16. Roommate says, "Just like Windows!" and is telling his friends to switch. 17:01 Exio4CI of course, i'll setup distcc here and in my debian sid 17:01 sfan5 why is the FTP for sfan5.pf-control.de not working.. 17:01 Krock .pf-control.de? 17:01 Exio4CI because i haxd it with my windows 7 pro laptop 17:02 Exio4CI you should be scared sfan5, VRY scared 17:02 * Calinou updated to Firefox 29 17:02 sfan5 Krock: yep ,that's my secondary homepage 17:02 Calinou GNOME 3, hello 17:02 Exio4CI Calinou: hi :D 17:02 Krock sfan5, hmm works fine for me there :3 17:02 Krock (the FTP access on my page) 17:02 Exio4CI Firefox 12 here 17:02 sfan5 it mostly hosts the packages I use for win builds 17:02 * Krock updated to fake-fox 29 17:02 Exio4CI i didn't touch anything yet 17:02 sfan5 Calinou: and do you like the new design? 17:02 * Krock just changed the useragent 17:03 Exio4CI damn 17:03 Exio4CI the spanish keymap is a pain 17:03 sfan5 Status: Verbindungsversuch fehlgeschlagen mit "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server". 17:03 sfan5 >:( 17:03 Exio4CI too used to us keymap 17:03 Krock sfan5, try passive connecting 17:03 sfan5 uhh wat 17:04 sfan5 if port 21 does not accept connections active <-> passive will not do anything 17:04 Krock "Probieren geht über studieren." 17:05 Calinou sfan5, better than the old one 17:05 sfan5 I think it's better too 17:05 Calinou there's no point in complaining about it 17:05 Calinou I'll probably like it more 17:05 sfan5 golem.de wrote an article about it saying that the "not like" rates (feedback) got higher 17:06 sfan5 uhh wait 17:06 sfan5 heise.de* 17:06 sfan5 http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Kommentar-Worst-Firefox-EVER-2180139.html 17:06 Exio4CI :( 17:07 Calinou typical computer users. 17:08 Exio4CI i have mixed feelings with it 17:08 Exio4CI :D 17:08 Exio4CI four threads 17:08 Exio4CI two cores 17:09 Exio4CI i wonder how many minutes will it need for compiling the kernel 17:09 hoodedice Hello miners! 17:09 Exio4CI i guess 10-15 17:09 Exio4CI hello hoodedices 17:09 Exio4CI :D 17:10 Exio4CI Tamaño de memoria máximo (depende del tipo de memoria) 2 GB 17:10 hoodedice =D 17:10 Exio4CI wtf max memory 2gb!? cpu-capped?! 17:10 sfan5 ooh 17:10 Exio4CI i can't have more?! 17:10 Exio4CI damn 17:10 sfan5 there are thunderbolts outside 17:12 Calinou hi hoodedice 17:12 hoodedice hello 17:12 Calinou Hello miners! 17:12 hoodedice =D 17:12 Calinou is what monsters in Carbone say when they attack you (they really do... or not.) 17:13 hoodedice rly? nice feature 17:13 Calinou :p 17:13 Calinou I could add that 17:13 hoodedice ya, might be good 17:13 hoodedice I hate to do this, but I have to pack up this laptop, so I might disconnect 17:14 hoodedice I'm saying this because I just connected, and I've been warned against disconnecting too quickly 17:14 hoodedice k bai 17:14 Jordach lol 17:14 hoodedice Weren't you playing Pokemon? 17:15 hoodedice Go back to your game, you heartless jerk 17:15 hoodedice *sob* 17:15 Exio4CI i{m out 17:15 Exio4CI see ya 17:15 Krock bai 17:16 Calinou DuckDuckGo doesn't like me, if I type my mod names in them, they are not in the first page 17:16 Calinou however... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=xfences 17:20 Krock kaeza, HAPPY B-DAY! 17:20 kaeza thanks :D 17:21 sfan5 kaeza: is it your birthday today? 17:21 kaeza yep 17:21 sfan5 ooh 17:21 kaeza and Jordach's 17:21 * sfan5 throws a bucket of love and birthday wishes at kaeza and Jordach 17:22 kaeza awww thanks <3 17:22 * kaeza hands Jordach a beer 17:23 * sfan5 gives kaeza a beer 17:23 sfan5 Krock: do you have a 64-bit system? 17:23 sfan5 D: more thunderbolts outside 17:23 Krock sfan5, Windows XP SP3 Home x86 17:23 Jordach thats better 17:23 Krock 32bit 17:23 sfan5 you should upgrade 17:24 Krock I upgraded my useragent. that's enough 17:24 kaeza Jordach, 0 days \o/ 17:24 sfan5 Krock: IE (even if you don't use it, it is used in serveral places) has an un-patched 0day floating around 17:24 Inocudom I must ask the developers to consider the advancements made by darkrose concerning nodeboxes. 17:24 Krock sfan5, all IE versions? 17:24 sfan5 yes 17:24 sfan5 all of them! 17:24 Krock ack 17:25 Inocudom Better lighting, diagonal sides. 17:25 Krock damn you hackers! 17:25 VanessaE kaeza: happy birthday 17:26 kaeza thank you V :) 17:26 Inocudom Happy birthday kaexa. 17:26 Inocudom Happy birthday kaeza. 17:26 kaeza thanks :P 17:27 Inocudom VanessaE, what do you know about the advancements that darkrose made concerning nodeboxes? 17:27 * Krock searchs in google hopeless for "3rd party windows xp updates" 17:27 VanessaE Inocudom: only that she only works with Minetest Classic, not 0.4.x 17:28 sfan5 Krock: you can pay M$ with $50,000 to get a support contract 17:28 Krock sfan5, eh. no thanks. 17:29 Inocudom I know that, but the developers of Minetest main don't consider her efforts with smoother lighting and diagonal sides. 17:29 VanessaE sfan5: and it serves people right for still using IE, let alone doing so under XP 17:30 VanessaE I guess her efforts can't be forward-ported to 0.4.x 17:30 VanessaE but I'm glad she fixed that 17:30 VanessaE that is a major issue 17:30 VanessaE RealBadAngel wants to solve it for 0.4.x by going with hardware lighting in the client 17:31 Inocudom Then those efforts would have to be remade for Minetest main. I'm surprised proller and MirceaKitsune have not tried such things. 17:31 sfan5 new win32/win64 build: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1523&p=140109#p140109 17:31 * VanessaE pokes Taoki 17:32 Inocudom I do know that you do 64-bit builds now, sfan5. I still use Fess's though. 17:32 sfan5 I did it recently 17:33 sfan5 Couldn't let BlockMen be the only person to do win32 + win64 17:33 sfan5 :P 17:33 Krock xD 17:34 Inocudom With luck, CraigyDavi could soon learn how to do the same for Freeminer. He makes builds for it. Freeminer is the bug tester for new Minetest features, so why not? 17:39 markveidemanis How do i increase the timeout? 17:43 * PenguinDad is a bit afraid of the thunderstorm 17:45 Krock markveidemanis, try the server unload unused data thingie 17:46 markveidemanis Won't work 17:48 VanessaE Inocudom: freeminer is not a textbed for minetest features 17:48 VanessaE it's its own engine these days 17:48 VanessaE testbed* 17:48 * PenguinDad gives kaeza and Jordach a fishy cake 17:48 VanessaE it's mostly compatible but it has many things that minetest engine does not, and vice versa. 17:51 markveidemanis Wheres the file that handles the error "ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(6/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)" 17:51 Krock debug.txt 17:51 Calinou More Blocks update is out: more intuitive crafting :) 17:51 Calinou (finally) 17:51 Calinou happy birthday kaeza 17:52 * Calinou hands kaeza a stack of Trap Super Glow Glass (which looks different from Super Glow Glass now) 17:52 Inocudom What is it that you mean by that, Calinou? 17:52 * Krock uninstalls MSE 17:53 markveidemanis sfan5|Calinou|(DEV)Wheres the file that handles the error "ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(6/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)" 17:53 VanessaE Calinou: it always looked different in HDX :P 17:53 VanessaE (trapstone/glass has a metal edge with screws) 17:54 Inocudom Of course, it is a very good thing that you are still maintaining moreblocks, because it is an extremely useful mod. 17:58 Calinou new Trap Stone texture added 17:58 Calinou (finally up-to-date) 17:58 Calinou Inocudom, trap glow glass/super glow glass uses a different texture now, which means it can be spotted 17:58 Calinou before, it used the same texture 17:59 Calinou it was too easy to trap people ;) 17:59 Calinou oh, and recipes using Mese crystals use Mese crystal fragments now 17:59 Calinou oh, and legacy code (6d facedir conversion and aliases) is no longer used by default, for faster loading. 18:00 Calinou you can enable it back if you need it 18:00 * Calinou just found a nyan cat in the sky 18:02 sfan5 markveidemanis: connection.cpp 18:03 markveidemanis Thanks 18:03 markveidemanis Any specific line? 18:03 sfan5 look for "has timed out" 18:04 markveidemanis define PING_TIMEOUT 5.0 18:04 markveidemanis No, connection timeout, media loading 18:04 sfan5 media timeout has nothing to do with that error msg 18:04 markveidemanis Will define PING_TIMEOUT 5.0 work? 18:05 sfan5 maybe 18:05 sfan5 5.0 seems way too high 18:05 sfan5 hm 18:05 sfan5 oh wait 18:08 CraigyDavi Hi everyone 18:08 markveidemanis Hi 18:15 * Krock has returned 18:16 CraigyDavi hi Krock 18:16 Calinou hi CraigyDavi 18:17 Krock hi Calinou 18:17 Mikerhinos o/ 18:17 CraigyDavi \o 18:18 Calinou /)(^ε^)(\ 18:18 Mikerhinos lol 18:18 PenguinDad Krock used Resurrection! 18:18 Calinou M£$€ 18:18 Calinou ^ an economist's view on Mese 18:18 PenguinDad :D 18:18 Mikerhinos Tonight is merguez partie 18:19 Krock Calinou, omg... yes! 18:20 Krock lol؟ 18:21 Krock M∑∫℮ 18:21 Krock maths version 18:21 markveidemanis Did you know you can use 'l' in the same way as 'ls' ? 18:22 Krock nope. 18:22 PenguinDad "bash: l: Kommando nicht gefunden." :( 18:22 Krock Leoleo -> lol? 18:22 Krock *lsols 18:23 sfan5 markveidemanis: it's an ubuntu specific alias 18:23 sfan5 l -> ls -CF 18:23 Krock Perfect, I'lsls replsace alsls 'l' with 'ls' 18:23 Krock 18:24 * markveidemanis wonders if he can use 3g to host a server 18:24 sfan5 what did you just say? 18:24 sfan5 markveidemanis: yes you can, it will however not be fast 18:25 markveidemanis 2.1ms to ping google 18:25 PenguinDad markveidemanis: if you have a 3g like mine no 18:26 PenguinDad +connection 18:29 PenguinDad specing is a bit late for april ;) 18:29 markveidemanis !up 192.168.42.130 30010 18:29 MinetestBot 192.168.42.130:30010 seems to be down 18:29 sfan5 >192.168 18:29 markveidemanis !up sslv.tk 30010 18:29 sfan5 are you joking? 18:29 MinetestBot sslv.tk:30010 seems to be down 18:30 markveidemanis whatismyip does not change if i connect my phone 18:30 markveidemanis oh shit forgot to enable 3g 18:30 sfan5 you need to enable usb tethering and disable other network connections on your pc 18:31 Krock ~up 192.168.1.1 18:31 ShadowBot Krock: 192.168.1.1 port 30000 is down 18:31 Krock too bad >:D 18:31 sfan5 ~up 127.0.0.1 30000 18:31 ShadowBot sfan5: 127.0.0.1 port 30000 is down 18:32 PenguinDad ~up 0.0.0.0 18:32 Krock ~up [:::1] 18:32 ShadowBot PenguinDad: 0.0.0.0 port 30000 is down 18:32 ShadowBot Krock: [:::1] Error. Invalid address? 18:32 markveidemanis The phone just used it's connection to WiFi 18:32 sfan5 are you on a phone? 18:33 markveidemanis nope 18:33 sfan5 do you intend to host the server on your phone? 18:33 Krock ~up 256.256.256.256 18:33 ShadowBot Krock: 256.256.256.256 Error. Invalid address? 18:33 markveidemanis Not really 18:34 Krock markveidemanis, do it. phones are the future servers 18:34 PenguinDad markveidemanis: buy an ARM server 18:42 * Jordach is having a pint this weekend 18:43 markveidemanis aww 18:43 * markveidemanis pets Jordach 18:46 * Calinou throws a rat in Jordach's pint 18:47 markveidemanis :P 18:49 * markveidemanis sets up a DNS server 18:50 * PenguinDad sets up DuckDNS 18:51 * Krock likes dnsynamic.org and its simpleness 18:51 * Krock *dnsdynamic 18:55 Taoki I wonder... is it possible to only allow certain players to obtain certain items? And forbid some from containing certain items in their inventory in any form 18:56 Calinou scan their inventory, ban them if they have item *runs* 18:56 Calinou or disallow any action out of them, to make them useless 18:59 CraigyDavi I get this when loading my server :( 18:59 CraigyDavi ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found 19:00 PilzAdam Taoki, double post FTW! 19:00 Taoki Higher chances of getting an answer sometimes :P 19:01 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: delete your env_meta.txt 19:07 CraigyDavi Phew, thanks PenguinDad. 19:13 Taoki Also: Is it really not possible to store custom Lua properties of players between server restarts? Like for example to persist appearance... model and texture 19:14 Taoki Lua entities can be persisted with custom values. And players also have properties they are persisted with, like last position and HP and everything... so I assume you could add your own stuff there too? 19:15 Taoki Calinou: And it's not to enforce a rule... just to have specific players be able to use specific items or even carry them :) Classes and the like 19:18 Calinou Taoki, did you see my PM? 19:18 Calinou (sorry if it sounded harsh, that was not my intention) 19:18 Taoki Yeah. And it's ok. Really don't care about image hosting service though, I just use whatever works best :p 19:20 Jordach Taoki, https://mediacru.sh 19:21 Taoki PilzAdam: Any examples of how to persist Lua fields for players? I haven't quite understood if this is possible yet or not, but it makes little sense for it not to be 19:23 Calinou “Really don't care about image hosting service though” → other people may do 19:23 Calinou tinypic shows questionable images in the footer 19:24 Jordach yeah 19:24 Jordach at least it isn't piratepaste 19:24 PilzAdam Taoki, see stats mod in Nodetopia 19:24 Taoki People seeing that might have an error. It's one of the biggest image hosting sites 19:24 Taoki PilzAdam: Thanks 19:25 Calinou no, I don't 19:25 Calinou even imgur's “related images” is not as bad 19:25 Calinou i.e. it shows only SFW stuff 19:25 Jordach Calinou, only because it shows clop 19:26 Taoki PilzAdam: Ah, you must write them to a text file? Was hoping player properties could be stored in the database directly like for entities. Of course, if it works and isn't slow, I cannot complain 19:26 Taoki Clop! Haha... I wasn't expecting someone to use that term here :P 19:29 Calinou /giveme moreblocks:clop 19:29 VanessaE Dreambuilder game updated :) 19:30 Mikerhinos VanessaE: great, i'm trying actual version now with my sons lol ;) 19:31 Calinou no GitHub repository? 19:32 Calinou hi Mikerhinos 19:32 Mikerhinos o/ Calinou 19:33 PenguinDad dreambuilder might be too big for github 19:36 Inocudom Bye. 19:36 VanessaE Calinou: nope. 19:36 VanessaE PenguinDad: hah, nope 19:36 VanessaE not even close 19:37 Calinou GitHub has no strict size limit, but they say 1 GB 19:37 VanessaE Github has a soft limit of 1 GB 19:37 VanessaE I just haven't created a proper repo yet 19:37 Calinou ninja'd! I mean, fast mode'd! 19:37 VanessaE heh 19:39 markveidemanis Anyone know a simple DNS server program? 19:39 markveidemanis for linux. PTR is all I need 19:46 Mikerhinos VanessaE: still have many item textures not appearing in inventory :( unified inventory mod link is bugged in google so I don't know how to give home privilege, do you remember the command line ? 19:47 VanessaE Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game 19:50 Calinou OK :) 19:51 VanessaE all of the commits in the future will just read "various updates" though :) 19:51 VanessaE (the updates are automated, easier that way) 20:03 Jordach lazy ass bitch :D 20:03 Jordach i see my style of doing fuck all appears to be spreading 20:08 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/PC001m6K6hZB.png ← how More Blocks code looks here 20:08 Calinou just for fun :) 20:12 Taoki Is it possible to have Lua control some player privileges entirely? Such as fast, fly and interact. Does any mod do that, and can it conflict with admins setting them manually? 20:12 EvergreenTree What IDE was Calinou using? 20:12 diemartin Geany 20:12 diemartin <3 20:12 Taoki Same one I use since moving to Linux :) 20:12 PenguinDad Calinou uses Geany 20:13 EvergreenTree Geany is awesome 20:13 EvergreenTree :3 20:13 EvergreenTree I might turn it into a terminal style like that 20:13 VanessaE ok the commits are not automated now, but the messages will probably still be generic :P 20:13 Jordach Gedit 20:13 Jordach GEDIT 20:13 Jordach or Notepad++ 20:13 VanessaE http://xkcd.com/1296/ 20:13 diemartin Gedit sucks 20:14 VanessaE (I just had to rewrite one of my scripts, just being lazy) 20:14 diemartin lol 20:14 VanessaE expect commit messages like the above :P 20:14 VanessaE Gedit Is Your Friend™ 20:16 PenguinDad http://ghostdoge.duckdns.org:8080/ could someone please try to load that page? 20:16 Jordach nuthin 20:17 diemartin PenguinDad, nope 20:18 PenguinDad TIL my internet connection is fucked :( 20:18 diemartin did you try turning it off and on again? 20:19 PilzAdam PenguinDad, who wants children with an internet connection? 20:19 * sfan5 meows at EvergreenTree 20:19 EvergreenTree mrowr 20:21 PenguinDad can't wait until I get DSL here 20:21 sfan5 you don't have DSL? 20:22 sfan5 WTF do you live? (first 'W' = where) 20:23 PenguinDad my city has DSL but not my house 20:24 crazyR whats the benefit of using luaJit on my server? 20:25 VanessaE PenguinDad: "connecting..." is as far as I get with it, and I can't ping it. But it does resolve (to 82.113.98.178) 20:25 VanessaE crazyR: mods run faster and/or use less CPU power to get their tasks done. 20:25 PenguinDad at least the DNS record is right 20:25 VanessaE crazyR: in some cases, maybe just a 50% boost, in other cases 3-4x or better. 20:26 VanessaE crazyR: in some very special cases, I think I've seen claims of, what was it, 10x? as fast as C++ anyway 20:26 crazyR ahh right thanks for the tip. i have it installed but was wondering if it made any difrence lol 20:31 Taoki Is it possible to make nodes act as a liquid in regard to collisions and drowning (have viscosity), but not flow? Thinking of making snow blocks in my game not collide but slow down the player, as well as drown him if he's in more than two 20:31 Taoki As well as allow swimming in snow blocks... but again have them not flow 20:32 VanessaE Taoki: make them climbable and drownable 20:32 VanessaE that would be a bit more realistic than making snow act like quicksand ;) 20:32 Taoki Thanks... not a bad idea 20:32 Taoki Can I still make them act like quicksand tho? 20:33 VanessaE not sure how 20:33 Taoki I think Carbone does that with leafs... 20:34 Taoki not sure precisely though 20:36 crazyR node=minetest.env:get_node(pos) <-- am i able to grab the node group from there? 20:37 VanessaE crazyR: get the node first, then use its name to get the node def from the main table 20:37 diemartin crazyR, minetest.registered_nodes[minetest.get_node(pos).name].groups 20:38 VanessaE minetest.registered_nodes[name] 20:38 VanessaE ninja'd 20:38 diemartin bah 20:38 diemartin :P 20:38 crazyR thanks :) 20:38 VanessaE well, half-ninja'd ;) 20:39 PenguinDad ninja daemon :D 20:46 Taoki Is there a way in after_dig_node to prevent / revert a node being dug and the player getting its item? 20:47 Taoki I remember that if the function is set to return false, the node is no longer dug 20:49 Megaf Taoki: sure 20:49 Megaf 17:31:37 Taoki | Is it possible to make nodes act as a liquid in regard to collisions and drowning (have viscosity), but not flow? 20:49 Taoki nice 20:49 Megaf sure about that 20:49 Megaf I made water a non flow thing, and diggable 20:49 Taoki cool 20:50 Megaf on my pixelart server 20:50 Taoki And viscosity still applies, and you can sim and drown in it? 20:53 crazyR could someone check this for me, not able to test it yet, doing work on my server. https://github.com/ethic-rush/technic/blob/master/technic/tools/mining_lasers.lua#L101 20:54 Taoki What about reverting digging in on_dig? I need a way to make players who have interact be unable to dig nodes... and without using set_protected on these nodes either 20:57 Taoki VanessaE: Since I remember you had this on your server... any idea where to find that mod which makes everything being mined drop to the ground rather than going straigth to player inventory? And makes walking over dropped item have you pick them up with a "pop" sound like in MC 21:01 lordcirth Taoki, look through technic, it's in there 21:02 lordcirth Taoki, actually found it, folder is called "item_drop" 21:02 Taoki oh, technic has it yes. Thanks 21:03 VanessaE Taoki: https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop 21:03 VanessaE that's the one I use 21:03 VanessaE (and as far as I know, it's not supposed to be in technic.) 21:04 VanessaE (but we've been discussing adding it back in) 21:06 crazyR VanessaE: i know im a pain, could you look at this and let me know if i have got it right please : could someone check this for me, not able to test it yet, doing work on my server. https://github.com/ethic-rush/technic/blob/master/technic/tools/mining_lasers.lua#L101 21:09 VanessaE crazyR: check if the name is nil first 21:09 VanessaE (in case the fired-up node is unknown/undefined e.g. from a mod that has been uninstalled) 21:09 crazyR ahh, thanks 21:10 VanessaE fired-upon* 21:11 crazyR also me and puhfa did some work on the quarry too, thought you might like to look. we havent submited a pul request though as we're still testing it https://github.com/ethic-rush/technic/edit/master/technic/machines/HV/quarry.lua 21:11 VanessaE if node and minetest.registered_nodes[node.name]........ then return end 21:11 crazyR oh i say me and puhfa i mean puhfa did mostof the work, i edited the formspec and a few other small things lol 21:12 VanessaE that quarry link gives me a "you can't edit this" error 21:12 crazyR oh sorry 1 min, lol 21:13 crazyR https://github.com/ethic-rush/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/HV/quarry.lua 21:13 VanessaE but, make your pull request(s) and I'll look then 21:14 crazyR ok, il leave it a week first. see how it works out. 21:20 EvergreenTree Once I learn C/C++ I think I'll dive in and make a patch for minetest 21:26 VanessaE dare I ask what you plan to change? :) 21:29 PilzAdam EvergreenTree, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C_Programming 21:30 PilzAdam especially suitable for trees 21:30 EvergreenTree VanessaE: I havee a lot of things that I would like to do 21:30 EvergreenTree PilzAdam: Yay trees 21:31 PenguinDad no tree was killed for that book :) 21:32 PilzAdam PenguinDad, even better: the PCs that were used to write it were powered by burning bark beetles 21:32 PilzAdam so trees were actually saved for that book 21:33 EvergreenTree :3 21:34 EvergreenTree Once I learn C, I probably should add all the stuff c++ adds to my knowledge banks 21:35 EvergreenTree considering minetest is written in it 21:35 FreeFull I like Rust 21:35 PilzAdam just add C and the absolutely worst implementation of OO that you can imagine and you got C++ 21:35 EvergreenTree That's what I've gotten from it 21:36 PilzAdam and some neat stuff like operator overloading 21:36 EvergreenTree Well, I'll just have to live with 21:36 EvergreenTree it 21:38 PilzAdam learn Java if you want proper OO 21:39 PilzAdam and it's really not hard to write your own voxel based 3d engine in Java with LWJGL 21:39 PenguinDad "learn language x if you want properly implemented y" 21:42 PenguinDad has somebody tried rewriting minetest's netcode with enet? 21:45 Exio4 proper OO in java! 21:45 Exio4 what the fuck did you drink 21:45 Exio4 or smoke 21:46 EvergreenTree so you're telling me to go mod minecraft? 21:46 EvergreenTree okay 21:46 EvergreenTree :P 21:46 EvergreenTree let the laguage wars begin! 21:46 Exio4 Java isn't proper OOP 21:46 EvergreenTree I already have learned python. 21:46 Exio4 scala has better OO so far 21:46 Exio4 and both still suck 21:46 PenguinDad Haskell ftw 21:47 EvergreenTree Would you say Python has proper OO or not? 21:47 * PenguinDad runs away 21:47 EvergreenTree I have nothing to compare it to 22:00 Exio4 does it haz private data? 22:00 Exio4 nah, it doesn't! 22:14 EvergreenTree woof 22:16 * PenguinDad pets EvergreenTree 22:29 frenchy_girl hi 22:36 darkangel hey im just curious since some peeps here have experience on it if your port forwarding through a modem do you need an Ethernet wire to make it work or can ya use Wifi to? 22:36 darkangel hey im just curious since some peeps here have experience on it if your port forwarding through a modem do you need an Ethernet wire to make it work or can ya use Wifi to? 22:38 darkangel sorry for double sent 22:38 EvergreenTree just curious, is it possible to set a specific mapgen for a given game! 22:39 PenguinDad Rust is really nice 22:39 Taoki Was wondering that too. My game will depend on v7 exclusively, so I'd like to disable the others 22:40 Taoki EvergreenTree: Best way I think is a lua function to detect the mapgen, and perhaps quit with an error if the chosen one isn't selected 22:42 FreeFull darkangel: You shouldn't need ethernet to do that 22:42 FreeFull Unless you have a weird router 22:42 darkangel ok 22:42 EvergreenTree PilzAdam: I think I remember nodetopia had such a feature 22:42 EvergreenTree does it? 23:20 EvergreenTree Taoki: here: https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia/blob/f168238a62f152352ae205bba87950dd82769087/mods/base/mapgen.lua 23:20 EvergreenTree begining of file 23:21 Exio4 isn't it just adding mg_name=v7 or something like that in game.conf 23:22 Taoki EvergreenTree: Nice. Thanks for the info... very good to know 23:23 EvergreenTree Exio4: I wanted that for a game 23:23 EvergreenTree in my case singlenode 23:23 EvergreenTree My idea will only work in singlenode 23:26 PilzAdam Taoki, it's quite funny how the answer to all of your problems is "look at Nodetopia" :-) 23:26 EvergreenTree lol 23:26 Taoki PilzAdam: Yeah yeah, your game is awesome ;) 23:27 Taoki I tried Nodepedia a bit though. What I can say at a first glance overall is that it has a lot of nice features and possibilities. Though as a game it doesn't intrigue me... seems even simpler than minetest_game currently. 23:29 EvergreenTree ^ which is kind of the point 23:29 Taoki Makes sense then. Not a bad thing of course 23:30 Taoki Can you craft anything though? The default inventory window has no crafting grid at all 23:30 EvergreenTree yep 23:30 EvergreenTree using the backpack 23:31 PilzAdam ... how can you say you looked at it if you haven't even crafted anything? 23:32 Taoki PilzAdam: I tried it for 10 minutes or so, exploring and looking at the menus. But I noticed there's no crafting grid in inventory 23:32 Taoki I did *look* at it in the true sense of the word :P But one can look at something for a minute or for hours 23:32 arsdragonfly Are there any documentations about technic? technic.kosyak.info looks like a stub 23:32 Taoki I would like to try it more too, as well as Carbone... just didn't get the chance to yet. Making my own plans for MT 23:34 Taoki BTW, I did want to know another thing... 23:34 Taoki Is it possible for a mod to disable a default script in minetest_game? I'm going to make something that will handle player appearance differently, and will want the normal player.lua completely disabled (or well, its effect to run over it at least) 23:36 Exio4 well, nice 23:36 Exio4 i can't have real graphics 23:36 Exio4 this fucking laptop needs a closed source driver 23:36 Exio4 where the only available is shit 23:38 Taoki Exio4: If you're on Linux, the open source driver should be good enough. Depends a lot on the card though 23:38 Taoki In my case I run great games on Mesa / Gallium... little problems 23:39 PilzAdam Taoki, overriding all functions could work 23:39 Taoki Nice 23:40 Taoki If anyone's interested in what I'm planning to do also, it's something for my game. I'm going to fork SimpleMobs and add a player system to it, which will allow players to "incarnate" as mobs. Otherwise the player will be a ghost, who can't dig or do much until they assume a mob's body 23:41 Taoki Kinda intended as a surprise, but I decided to post that as a mod first before the actual game 23:41 crazyR hey guys, quick question. 32bit os or 64bit os. whats best for minetest. is there any performance diffrnece? 23:41 Taoki Each player type that can be assumed from a mob will have different inventories, movement speeds, etc 23:42 Taoki And yes, I am intending to allow it for ALL mobs, including sheep and mice :P Mice players will prolly have only 1 to 5 inventory slots or something. Will see how it goes 23:42 crazyR ? 23:43 Taoki I'll also turn the existing player (humans) into a mob, and becoming one will offer pretty much the same behavior as now. Dying while a mob will simply make the player a ghost again 23:45 PilzAdam crazyR, you really shouldn't choose your OS based on Minetest 23:45 crazyR its a dedicated server. just for minetest 23:45 PilzAdam and use 64 bit if you have the hardware for it 23:45 crazyR done :) 23:45 crazyR thanks 23:46 Taoki But yeah. i think this will be an interesting use of PA's simple mobs :) My game will rely on it, but minetest_game can use it too 23:46 lordcirth Taoki, so can you play as a bear? 23:47 Taoki lordcirth: There aren't any bears for simplemobs ATM. But the framework I'll be modifying defines a set of player settings together with each mob, so you can automatically play as any mob... and will actually be constrained to 23:49 Taoki The idea is to make players indistinguishable from mobs. There will just be various species around the world... mobs are the CPU and the player can take the body of willing mobs (random property). 23:49 lordcirth Taoki, that's a very cool idea. 23:49 Taoki Mob hostility will also be race dependent. If you become a sand monster, sand monsters will of course be your friends, but stone ones might still attack you if their races are at war 23:49 Taoki Glad you like it... I think so too yes :) 23:53 FreeFull How will you handle height differences? 23:53 Taoki FreeFull: BlockMen's camera changes allow eye offset at last. My physics changes a while ago also allow giving each player different movement speeds. And IIRC, you can change the bounding box of players... if not it will use the existing size until that's possible, although that will suck.