Time Nick Message 00:02 twoelk !up 107.155.84.102 35000 00:02 MinetestBot 107.155.84.102:35000 seems to be down 00:02 twoelk :-( 00:03 Sokomine twoelk: seems so :-( 00:03 VanessaE_ which is that one? 00:03 Sokomine twoelk: it's only a testing server so far. brandon said he plans to run a real server on that basis once it's working satisfactory 00:03 Sokomine hi vanessa. you have an underscore :-) 00:04 VanessaE_ too lazy to change it :P 00:04 twoelk my interact just stoped, no freeze like on others 00:04 Sokomine vanessa: basicly nores mapgen. what you're running as well. but with inhabitants for the villages and an rpg-like skill system where you gain points from killing mobs and can invest those in increasing your skill 00:04 VanessaE_ ah 00:05 Sokomine vanessa: what i like a lot are the villagers :-) they still need to improve 00:05 twoelk that adventuretest one does have pretty steep hills 00:05 Sokomine perhaps random? ought to be the same mapgen... 00:06 twoelk and sand bottom ravines it seems 00:06 Sokomine some villages there have aggressive babarians which attack on sight. the villages in the peaceful villages just stand around and wander around a bit 00:06 Sokomine they need to learn more... 00:06 Sokomine i want to talk to them :-) some could be traders.... 00:07 twoelk Sokomine seems to be a trader at heart 00:09 WindHero is there a particular framework the NPCs operate on? 00:09 Sokomine only to a degree :-) 00:09 twoelk I did experiment with a farmer villager, but they just wandered off in search for wheat and my mind wandered off to other things ... 00:09 Sokomine windhero: hmmm. depends 00:10 twoelk there are sort of several frameworks if they deserve the name 00:10 Sokomine twoelk: my traders don't wander around. thus, they don't cost ressources on the server end (besides, a trader far away from his trade goods won't be such a good idea) 00:10 Sokomine mobf is very advanced. then there's npcf. and also simple mobs. and my traders are in a way a framework as well 00:11 Sokomine so it really depends. do you have somethinig particular in mind? 00:12 twoelk well the farmers shouldnt wander off but to their random generated fields and to player added fields but they got lost searching for wheat 00:13 Sokomine oh 00:13 Sokomine might happen... 00:13 Sokomine simple mobs solves the moving around problem by moving randomly and by defining "sinks" - water and lava kill them 00:14 Sokomine mobf and npcf have more intelligent behaviour. try your farmers with npcf 00:14 WindHero I was primarily curious if these npcs were based on simple mobs 00:16 twoelk maybe I should have added a "homesick" factor that adds up with time ... actually I wonder where I left that code ... my mind seems to have wandered of more than I thought 00:16 crazyR is there a way i can list nodes that i dont want shown in the craft guide with unified_inventory without having to override all the nodes 00:17 WindHero do they have any special nodegroups? 00:19 crazyR not really, there from all diffrent mods 00:20 WindHero I did some light searching for something like that several days ago 00:20 WindHero Didn't find anything topically 00:20 WindHero oh! 00:20 WindHero you could have a sort of blacklist of names 00:21 crazyR yeah? you know how? 00:21 WindHero loops :P 00:21 WindHero and if blocks 00:22 WindHero I'm working on a lockpick mod, and I just overrode all the locked chests to add a nodegroup :P 00:22 WindHero so I don't really know.... 00:25 WindHero if you're working on the craft guide itself, the blacklist method will work 00:27 crazyR thats what im attempting, im looking near the formspec for some form of loop where the craft list is stored. if i find it il run a if command checking for a list of names from a table that will be stetup at the top of the file. or atleast thats the plan lol 00:27 WindHero just have in the function that collects recipes if node.name == "exclude:name" then (code for not including) end 00:27 WindHero yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking 00:29 WindHero if it doesn't work, can always pastebin or post the code and see if someone else can solve it 00:36 crazyR using tables as an array t = {"a", "b", "c"} is there some way to check the array for a word. example being something like php's in_array() function 00:37 WindHero somewhat 00:37 WindHero you have to loop over it 00:37 WindHero for _,v in pairs(items) do if v == "orange" then -- do something break end end 00:38 WindHero wait 00:38 WindHero that's for a list though.... 00:38 WindHero in other words, that loop goes over keys, not values 00:41 WindHero I really gotta study Lua better.... I'm a C# kind of guy 00:41 crazyR lol, i know the feeling, im a php guy 00:41 crazyR just found a online lua demo, where i can try little things like this :D 00:41 WindHero doing some more searches, I found this: function setContains(set, key) return set[key] ~= nil end 00:42 WindHero although I guess the previous idea DOES work 00:42 WindHero upon further investigation 00:42 WindHero and probably is more readable 00:42 WindHero (something so many modders ignore 00:43 WindHero *) 00:44 WindHero this is the link I found, perhaps reading it yourself will suit you better: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2282444/how-to-check-if-a-table-contains-an-element-in-lua 00:46 crazyR solution found you were right 00:49 WindHero |\o/ 00:50 WindHero Alright, now for my own problem: how to destroy the player's wielded item 00:50 WindHero I find ItemStacks so ambiguous 00:50 crazyR lol 00:55 WindHero maybe this will work: inv = digger.get_inventory() stk = digger.get_wield_index() inv:set_stack("main", stk, nil) 00:57 jap_ hi how is eveone 00:57 WindHero alright, suppose. Thinking. 00:58 jap_ it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00:59 jap_ this my first time doing this 00:59 WindHero 39 extra exclamation points, lol 00:59 jap_ # minetest is awsome 00:59 jap_ LOL 01:01 jap_ gtg 01:01 jap_ bye 01:06 jap_ Hi 01:06 jap_ I am back 01:07 jap_ What is everyone doing 01:09 jap_ Who is on 01:09 WindHero welp, that didn't work 01:10 WindHero crashed with no error code 01:10 WindHero @jap_ --------------> 01:10 WindHero user list to the right 01:11 jap_ How did it not work 01:11 WindHero what? 01:12 WindHero oh 01:12 WindHero I was talking about a mod I'm coding 01:12 jap_ No error cod 01:12 * jap_ said code 01:13 WindHero I tried using nil instead of ItemStack(nil) in the code, and it crashed before the engine could generate an error report 01:13 WindHero ...and apparently that wasn't it either. 01:14 * jap_ oh ok !!!!!!'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 01:16 jap_ CRAIGYDAVI someone hacked my account this liljnc3 01:21 jap_ So dose anyone want to talk about 01:22 * jap_ what 01:23 WindHero considering it's a minetest channel, I'd assume people would talk about minetest 01:24 jap_ It is fun 01:24 jap_ Gtg 01:27 lordcirth Well that was an interesting visit 01:27 WindHero ikr? 01:27 WindHero feel like I just got trolled 01:30 ShadowNinja WindHero: Lua makes variables global by default. Use the local keyword before local variables. Local variables are also a lot faster BTW. 01:31 WindHero I do 01:32 ShadowNinja maybe this will work: inv = digger.get_inventory() stk = digger.get_wield_index() inv:set_stack("main", stk, nil) 01:33 ShadowNinja BTW, I think that will work. Don't set inventoried to nil though, it completely removes them. 01:34 ShadowNinja Also, print(this_does_not_exist) -> "nil". So watch out for that. I'm working on a builtin module to warn you about that. 01:35 WindHero that line was just shortened 01:35 WindHero in the actual code, I'm using local variables 01:36 WindHero also, it did not work, but now it works calling get_wielded_item(), then calling clear() on the generated stack, then passing that to set_wielded_item() 01:36 WindHero I ran into that print error long ago and avoided it like the plague since 01:36 Exio4 it is a real game, ender! 01:37 WindHero lol 01:38 WindHero that section of the movie made me think of that older movie, War Games, where the computer was asked "is this real or a game", and replied "What is the difference?" 01:39 Exio4 yeah 01:40 Exio4 i just watched it cuz it was on netflix and didn't have anything better to do 01:41 WindHero blast, that solution didn't work either.... 01:43 WindHero time to use the line by line debug logging method that always works for me. 01:44 Exio4 WindHero: is there any better way to debug anything?! :P 01:44 Exio4 actually, i should tell you, unless you can make a small testcase for the problem, you can't do it that way 01:44 WindHero lol 01:44 WindHero it's not foolproof, ik 01:44 Exio4 (reducing it to something <15-20 lines without initializing stuff and closing it) 01:45 WindHero but at least it tells me which line is causing the problem 01:45 WindHero I only use it on single functions though 01:45 WindHero when I know the general area it is in 01:45 Exio4 i mean, isolate that function 01:45 Exio4 in a closed enviroment 01:45 Exio4 with known values for EVERYTHING 01:46 WindHero I'm much better at debugging C# and js :P 01:46 WindHero but you would have cried at how bad my lua was last year, lol 01:47 Exio4 omg C# 01:48 Exio4 JS has nice things but a hell lot of bad things 01:48 WindHero ^ 01:48 WindHero I code stuff in Unity3d exclusively with C# 01:48 Exio4 it is like, 10% good things, 80% bad things, 10% things you don't want to know 01:48 Exio4 the 10% good things are really nice though 01:48 WindHero xD 01:49 WindHero alright, found my problem 01:49 * WindHero mumbles "wrong syntax for minetest.chat_send_player()" 01:50 WindHero I was sending a chat to digger.name instead of digger:get_player_name() 01:55 WindHero yay, solve the problem just to accidentally generate a new one 02:00 WindHero easy fix, but now I have a lot more edits to make to the rest of my code :/ 02:06 WindHero here's another question 02:06 WindHero would it be unfair to have a 66% chance of breaking a mithril lockpick while picking a mithril locked chest from technic? 02:06 WindHero (considering the rarity of mithril) 02:06 Megaf LazyJ: ping 02:07 LazyJ I have no idea how to do that, Megaf. :)- 02:07 LazyJ My network savvy is very poor. 02:07 Megaf heh 02:08 Megaf Hi LazyJ 02:08 Megaf did you see the changes I made to your underground thing? 02:08 LazyJ Not yet. I've been dealing with our server's player issues. :/ 02:09 Megaf what issues? 02:10 LazyJ One of our players is making land grabs and has been getting in the way by staying in one spot were other's are building. 02:10 LazyJ PvP is disabled so they can't "kill" her to get her out of the way. 02:10 Megaf OMG, Trees grow underwather!!! 02:10 WindHero highlandpools mod? 02:10 LazyJ She's a long-time player that is suddenly becoming very possessive of places. 02:11 Megaf LazyJ: Thats why I only use areas mod as protection 02:11 Megaf WindHero: nope 02:11 WindHero ! 02:11 Megaf pretty much a vanilla server with mesecons and homedecor 02:11 WindHero interesting.... 02:11 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 02:11 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (504ms) 02:11 LazyJ More pleasant(?) troubles are accomplished builders concerned about an unfinished road that their statues may eventually be in the way of. 02:12 LazyJ At least they are considerate enough to be concerned and to want to discuss options. 02:12 WindHero so it's not just my implementation of highlandpools into skylands 2.0 causing aquatic trees... 02:13 ShadowNinja WindHero: It isn't a print error, it's how Lua works. Global variables are looked up in the _G table, and unresolved keys alvays return nil as a value. 02:13 WindHero ik it isn't a print error, I'm referring to the coding error on my end 02:13 WindHero not catching that something would turn nil 02:14 WindHero I got my mod working now 02:14 WindHero just needs work before I can post the beta 02:15 WindHero having a 66% chance of losing three mithril ingot's worth of material should be a sufficient detriment to thieves, right? Or is that a bit TOO harsh? 02:17 ShadowNinja WindHero: That seems fine. 02:17 WindHero sweet 02:18 WindHero how I have it set up, the chance of breaking the pick is .66 to the power of (pick_level - chest_level) (With different variables that actually pertain to the code) 02:19 lordcirth WindHero, I like this idea of allowing lockpicking :) I'm a firm believer in traps and locks over boring server protection 02:19 WindHero *(pick_level - chest_level + 1) 02:19 WindHero thanks xD 02:19 WindHero I'm even gonna implement traps for thieves who are a little too ready to steal ;) 02:20 lordcirth WindHero, have you seen my wireless mod? 02:20 WindHero no, I'll go look it up 02:20 WindHero is it under releases or general? 02:20 lordcirth WindHero, https://github.com/lordcirth/minetest-wireless 02:21 lordcirth WindHero, I'm not sure if I ever announced it - I was wanting to merge it into digilines 02:22 WindHero this looks like it could be useful :3 02:22 WindHero thanks for telling me about it! 02:22 lordcirth WindHero, I like it :) My main use is a digipad (Pin entry) hooked to a transmitter, so there's no wire leading to the hidden door :) 02:23 WindHero priceless 02:23 WindHero maybe I'll see if I can get my friend to stick this on his server 02:23 lordcirth Also, since the digipad allows sending on 3 channels, you can have the same pad open multiple doors 02:24 WindHero also useful 02:24 WindHero ik! 02:24 Megaf WindHero: actually, the trees grows and then venishes 02:24 lordcirth WindHero, as the readme says, it's craftable, but only if you can craft digilines, which you can't normally 02:24 Megaf leaving a single node of tree 02:24 lordcirth I forked digilines to add recipes, but that repo is way behind 02:25 WindHero I'll have one activate three rows of removestone to drop gravel in a hallway and block it off 02:25 WindHero Megaf, ah, I see 02:25 WindHero lordcirth: got it, I'll install digilines too 02:26 lordcirth WindHero, you should see one world I have, a staircase down into a steel room with only a digipad. If you enter correct passwd, a hidden door opens 02:27 WindHero sweet 02:27 lordcirth If you enter wrong pass, hidden steel door closes behind u, and room floods with lava :) 02:27 WindHero :O 02:27 WindHero me likes 02:27 Megaf hm 02:27 Megaf im not sure if I have digipads 02:28 WindHero that is, if it's not me who enters the wrong code xD 02:28 lordcirth WindHero, well, I made it so if you enter the right code, it will disarm and open. 02:28 Megaf whats a digipad 02:28 Megaf ? 02:28 WindHero on one server, I'm building a tall dungeon tower 02:29 WindHero digipad is the digicode mod, right? 02:29 lordcirth Megaf, Pin entry node that sends number entered over digiline 02:29 lordcirth WindHero, digicode let you set pass, and if correct pass, powers mesecons. Useless without node protection 02:29 WindHero I'm having each floor present a different challenge 02:30 lordcirth I borrowed textures and made it into digipad (creative name, I know :P ) Which just transmits your number over digiline 02:30 WindHero my friend died at the very first trap >:D 02:30 Megaf WindHero: you should build in my server... 02:30 Megaf it would be cool 02:30 lordcirth So you can have multiple passwords, and people can't just pull it off and power the wire 02:30 WindHero the reward for clearing the tower is access to the ore-rich skylands 02:30 lordcirth WindHero, sounds cool 02:31 WindHero what is your server's address, megaf? 02:31 WindHero I might pop on once in a while 02:31 WindHero the first floor has my own custom mesecons node, the incinerator, which creates a fire above it when powered 02:32 lordcirth WindHero, nice 02:32 WindHero pressure plate -> delayer -> incinerator -> pit to jump across before you're burnt 02:32 Megaf WindHero: megaf.minetest.info 30003 02:32 Megaf a little lag there but its fun, nice people 02:33 Megaf WindHero: there is mesecons, digilines and pipeworks 02:33 WindHero cool, my favorites 02:33 Megaf we built some automated farms and wood makers 02:33 WindHero I know a bit of technic too, but the resource needs are ridiculous if you ask me 02:33 Megaf it plants a sapling, wait till it grows, then take the trunk and leaves 02:33 Megaf and then plants another sapling, loop 02:34 WindHero niiice 02:34 WindHero I built an eight-furnace auto-smelter on the other server 02:35 WindHero that sends lumps from a central chest to the furnaces, and then from the furnaces to a locked chest 02:35 WindHero huh, it's stuck at "connecting to server" 02:36 WindHero crashed/down? :s 02:36 Megaf so, I have two working machines machines built by myself, that wood maker and one farm that grows cactus, then cut it and use as fuel, and it grows and take wheat, all to make bread, all on its own 02:36 Megaf WindHero: I will restart it, one sec 02:37 WindHero np 02:37 lordcirth WindHero, well, RBA lowered the switching station cost to a more reasonable level 02:37 WindHero I noticed that much, at least 02:38 Megaf WindHero: done 02:38 WindHero but HV battery boxes.... help.... 02:39 lordcirth WindHero, of course, once frames are finished, there will be automated strip mining like MC 02:39 WindHero I'm in the middle of building a pipeworks machine to automatically craft one 02:39 WindHero :/ it still isn't connecting 02:39 WindHero I'll try later 02:39 WindHero or tomorrow, one or the other 02:40 WindHero it's in my server history now 02:41 WindHero what is a pain is having to edit the code for every locked node individually for my lockpick mod :P 02:43 Megaf WindHero: you comming? 02:43 Megaf coming 02:43 WindHero I just found the error 02:43 WindHero you said port 30003 02:43 lordcirth WindHero, so I dug up my steel/lava room. I think it needs improvement :) 02:43 WindHero when on the public server list, it's 30002 02:44 Megaf WindHero: there are 3 servers on minetest.megaf.info 02:44 WindHero now connecting 02:44 WindHero :x 02:44 Megaf ports 30001 30002 and 30003 02:44 Megaf 30003 is the main one, the Megaf Server V4.0 02:45 Megaf its better to disable the preload item visuals options 02:45 WindHero whoops, too late xP 02:47 Megaf well, so its going to take a long time to join 02:47 lordcirth WindHero, so I misremembered a bit, there is a lever for whether the trap is on, if you turn it on, and the door is safely closed, it floods the chamber 02:48 lordcirth I made it mostly for chase scenarios rather than a booby trap 02:48 WindHero ah 02:49 lordcirth WindHero, it has the advantage that if you open the door from the inside, with the button, the safety stops the lava, although it does flood 1 block into the room 02:53 WindHero useful 03:01 lordcirth WindHero, I'm rewiring it now so the trap is run by the luacontroller. I want it to trigger the trap on wrong password, but reset after a while. otherwise the escape-blocking door and the lava locks out the room :) 03:01 WindHero good idea, hope it works 03:12 lordcirth WindHero, isn't the lock code unified in one function? 03:12 WindHero not sure, I haven't ever looked at the code for it yet 03:15 lordcirth WindHero, then how/why are you modifying every locked node? 03:15 WindHero because I just started, and still have to find every one out there 03:16 WindHero I won't be letting digital locks be picked though 03:16 lordcirth WindHero, no craftable bruteforcer? :P 03:16 WindHero not yet 03:16 lordcirth that would overload the server probs 03:16 WindHero I only have traditional lockpicks atm 03:16 WindHero and yeah, that's a concern too 03:17 lordcirth WindHero, actually, the weakness of my wireless is that you could pull off an evil maid variant 03:18 WindHero wha? 03:18 lordcirth plant a receiver and luacontroller to record wireless signals 03:18 lordcirth wait for the guy to open his secret door and leave. then you go back, and there's a record of the password :) 03:18 WindHero lol 03:19 WindHero why are you telling this on a public, logged chat then? 03:20 lordcirth WindHero, because disclosure is the best policy :) Also I may fix soon 03:20 * WindHero nods in approval 03:21 lordcirth I need to add a hash function to luacontroller, then with that + the Real Time Clock in digiline, I can salt+hash passwords :) 03:21 lordcirth At which point, my authentication protocol will be more secure than ~30% of websites. :P 03:22 WindHero rofl 03:22 WindHero the sad part of it. 03:28 WindHero I guess I'll be going now 03:29 WindHero cya, thanks for talking and helping with my mod! 05:11 lemon Is there a way to set on_rightclick for a player? 05:38 Guest44085 Uh, 05:38 Guest44085 Some of you would know me. 05:38 Guest44085 Im on the wrong port aren 05:39 Guest44085 Hunter? 09:15 diemartin lemon, not ATM 10:01 Mikerhinos hi 10:49 Mikerhinos VanessaE: trying your dreambuilder game, I miss a lot of item textures in my inventory :s 10:55 phantombeta Hey guys 10:56 phantombeta Is there any mod that shows the recipes for stuff? 11:02 pitriss unified inventory 11:03 pitriss for example.. but there is many more mods doing what you need 11:52 Taoki Hi. I have a question about set_sky: Is it possible to use 6 textures for cubemap, but without bgcolor? I want to use 6 transparent textures, but still have the sun / moon / stars / etc show behind them. Is this possible so far? 12:14 Megaf Hi everyone 12:15 Taoki hi 12:18 Megaf Taoki: I didnt even know about set_sky 12:18 Taoki It exists for a while :) 12:21 Megaf Taoki: and where do I set it? 12:21 Taoki See the lua API. player:set_sky(...) 12:21 Megaf And about your question, I would just try 12:23 Taoki Megaf: If you have a cube sky texture set available, which is in png format and with transparent areas, sure 12:25 Megaf Taoki: so you need 6 textures? 12:26 Megaf or one textures with 6 areas? 12:26 Taoki Megaf: Yes. It's a cube sky... or inside-out cube. Common system for textured skies 12:26 Taoki The textured sky is a cube, 6 textures mean the 6 faces 12:26 Megaf yep 12:26 Megaf and it needs to be transparent 12:26 Megaf hold on 12:26 Taoki Yes. I wanna know if the normal / current sky is visible behind transparent areas 12:27 Megaf Taoki: what about the resolution? 12:27 Megaf 512x512? 12:28 Taoki Megaf: I think any works. But 512 x 512 makes most sense 12:39 Megaf hm 12:39 Megaf I have the sky textures 12:40 Megaf adding transparency now 12:44 Megaf Taoki: uploading textures right now 12:46 Megaf Taoki: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2281263/Images/TransparentSky/Sky0.png 12:47 Megaf Taoki: replace Sky0 with Sky1, 2, 3, 4, 5 12:47 Taoki Not sure that's what we're looking for 12:48 Megaf https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5kgk5pdza801977/bnqhmfvN0g 12:48 Megaf no? 12:49 Megaf those are 6 transparent sky textures 12:49 Megaf MAYBE it works 12:49 Taoki Ah, I see them now 12:49 Taoki Where's the transparency tho 12:50 Megaf Taoki: you will se only if theres something behind 12:59 Taoki Megaf: Might not get to it right away. Do you feel like trying the function yourself too? In any of the lua files, add a minetest.after(0), a player loop in it (I assume), and player:det_sky(the_texture_list_here) 13:00 PenguinDad *set_sky 13:00 Megaf Taoki: I can't do much now, I'm at my workplace 13:00 Taoki ok 13:00 Megaf perhaps someone else could try my textures as skybox? 13:19 Megaf I'm think in buying this video card Radeon - R7 240 Asus 13:23 diemartin lamefun again? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9212 13:30 Exio4 lamefum 2.0 13:31 Exio4 fun* 13:31 Exio4 lol 13:34 jin_xi why not guile? i wanna mod in elisp too, it already does js and lua support is coming! 13:35 Megaf isnt there a way to translate lua to java script? 13:35 Megaf I mean, we can translate C++ to java script, so why not lua? 13:35 jin_xi it involves a lot of banging your head against the wall. 13:35 jin_xi for lua being js done right translating between the two is really hard 13:37 jin_xi i think most mt modders have learned lua just for that... i know my mods codes suck ass... 13:39 diemartin translate the Lua script to a Java file which outputs a Python script which writes a C++ program that outputs a JavaScript to stdout 13:39 diemartin problem solved 13:39 * diemartin runs 13:41 Megaf I wonder why kind of text you will get on the stdout 13:41 Megaf If it will make any sense 13:41 kaeza but srsly "u should change teh language coz it doesn't undertand !=" is the argument? 13:42 sfan5 meow 13:42 * kaeza pets sfan5 13:42 PenguinDad hi sfan5 13:42 jin_xi i dont think that the lack of operators is a valid point 13:42 Megaf kaeza: nope, you should change because of this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=78000#p78000 13:42 kaeza Megaf, that's not what OP said 13:42 * sfan5 purrs at kaeza 13:43 PenguinDad and != is ~= in lua IIRC 13:45 Megaf PenguinDad: so you should tell him that 13:45 * Megaf knows nothing about lua and javascript 13:46 * Megaf knows very little about C++ 13:46 * Megaf know enough of shell script 13:47 * PenguinDad knows a little bit of Ruby and enough of Lua 13:48 * kaeza slaps Megaf with Python 13:48 kaeza <3 13:49 jin_xi my hovercraft is full of eels 13:49 Exio4 add haskell and guile 13:50 PenguinDad add a racket api :p 13:51 jin_xi idk, lets make it so we build mods with mesecons 13:55 Megaf I'd like to see a performance benchmark like so, Lua vs JavaScript vs Python vs C# vs Objective C 13:57 Megaf http://vschart.com/compare/lua/vs/javsacript 13:58 jin_xi ? 13:59 PenguinDad "Makes you angry" "No" :D 14:00 Megaf yep, I like that 14:09 Exio4 PenguinDad: true 14:11 Exio4 Megaf: wtf is that 14:12 Megaf Exio4: user made vs thing 14:12 Exio4 two things, languages preferences aren't so easy to do 14:12 Exio4 the other thing is, you need objetive things 14:13 Exio4 Reliability, how did you measure that? Performance? 14:16 PenguinDad lol lua has a higher performance than C++ 15:15 raffahacks Megaf are you here? 15:16 raffahacks MegAFK are you megaf with a differwnt nick? 15:16 * sfan5 curls up to Exio4's lap 15:17 raffahacks Why does the mod store work not? 15:17 raffahacks In mt 0.9 15:17 raffahacks Just see an empty window 15:18 raffahacks Can anyone help? 15:20 sfan5 I dunno why it is broken but it will probably get fixed in the next 2 or 3 days 15:21 raffahacks Sfan5 doesn't it also work with you? 15:21 sfan5 yes it does not work for me too 15:21 sfan5 o/ Jordach 15:21 reactor щ/ 15:21 raffahacks Thanks 15:22 Jordach o/ 15:22 raffahacks Sorry for my stupid ans in that thread sfan5 15:22 raffahacks But she asked for the simplest way 15:23 sfan5 in that thread? 15:23 sfan5 what? where? 15:23 raffahacks The simplest way to get mt working on mac 15:23 raffahacks Wasn't you there? 15:24 Jordach raffahacks, it's extract and go now 15:24 Krock Hello. 15:24 Jordach not install homebrew, black magic, bullshit then wine 15:25 sfan5 Jordach: care to test the win64 build? http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/ 15:26 * Jordach is more interested in fixing a Automatic crash without a Lua Debugger message 15:26 sfan5 what do you mean? 15:27 Jordach minetest dies with this in mind 15:28 Jordach https://gist.github.com/Jordach/f3fed0bd8260a992d4ac 15:28 Krock Jordach: try: minetest.chat_send_player(nil) 15:29 Jordach ha 15:29 Jordach aha 15:29 Jordach doesn't crash here, but dies on my flash drive 15:29 Jordach same build too :P 15:29 sfan5 Jordach: suggestion, use a function that auto-determines which node is there and which node name the next fill level has 15:30 Jordach sfan5, pure binary trees are much fastwer 15:30 sfan5 you should also register the different fill levels with a function 15:30 Jordach sfan5, i'd use fill level nodeboxes, except, you know, it doesn't like more than one box 15:30 sfan5 or better, register the lava, oil & water tanks with one function 15:30 sfan5 no 15:30 sfan5 I mean just compacting your code 15:30 sfan5 not touching the nodedef 15:34 sfan5 >tank_water_level_1.png >tank_water_level_2.png >tank_water_level_3.png 15:34 sfan5 this sounds inefficient 15:34 sfan5 (assuming the texture is just the water texture capped at a specific level) 15:34 Jordach sfan5, it is 15:34 Jordach eventually i'll get around to animating it. 15:35 sfan5 ah, ok then 15:35 Jordach kinda thought of Buildcraft (MC) pipes 15:35 Jordach i also managed to make buckets use RMB for everything 15:38 Jordach wat 15:38 Jordach this is odd 15:38 Jordach glasslike doesn't like different faces 15:39 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/4ZNFzMhitkFK.png 15:39 markveidemanis Hi 15:40 Jordach yarp, appears to work fine with normal drawtypes 15:41 markveidemanis I need some help choosing an OS for a server 15:41 Jordach Debian b00b 15:41 markveidemanis Needs to be usable as a normal OS, 15:41 Jordach if you're using a consumer OS as a server, OUT 15:41 markveidemanis Work well on a 1.6GHz machine 15:41 Jordach they don't even deserve it 15:42 markveidemanis How about Tiny Core Linux? 15:42 Jordach [16:41:22] Needs to be usable as a normal OS, 15:42 Jordach already missed the mark by a light year 15:42 markveidemanis Well 15:42 markveidemanis Yes 15:42 markveidemanis Okay then , a graphical OS with an option to boot to only command line mode 15:42 markveidemanis Does lubuntu have that? 15:44 Krock http://www.yacoset.com/Home/signs-that-you-re-a-bad-programmer 15:45 sfan5 markveidemanis: you can boot every linux os to command line only 15:48 markveidemanis okay, done at command line 15:50 sfan5 Jordach: this is what I call efficient & extendable: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/3c4846dcea2c2d85500e 15:51 Jordach sfan5, meh 15:51 sfan5 D: 15:51 sfan5 use my code 15:51 sfan5 it's better 15:51 sfan5 pls 15:51 Jordach i'd perfer having something i wrote :P 15:51 sfan5 or at least try it 15:52 Jordach the only exception is paramat's oil gen 15:52 sfan5 i don't even know whether it works 15:55 sfan5 Jordach: can you try my code please? 15:55 Jordach !g define mimicry 15:55 MinetestBot Jordach: http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Mimicry 15:56 Jordach now stfu ;) 15:56 sfan5 :-( 15:58 sfan5 Jordach: please... 15:58 Jordach and if only we could have separately textured nodeboxes 15:59 Jordach that would solve my problem with tanks instantly 15:59 Jordach or even node meshes provided by blender or something 16:00 * sfan5 points to a "Pull requests are always appreciated!" sign 16:02 Jordach yay 16:02 Jordach water tanks are basically done :) 16:03 sfan5 can you test my code please? 16:03 sfan5 I want to know whether it works 16:03 Jordach oh god readjusting to RMB buckets is a pain]# 16:04 Jordach i'm like, left click to place 16:05 sfan5 you can do that too 16:07 Jordach sfan5, the bucket would place water by default 16:08 Krock Just me or is hitting the key P causing an error log? 16:08 Jordach >printing debug stacks 16:08 Jordach i NEVER KNEW THAT 16:11 Jordach hey PilzAdam 16:11 Jordach Hello everyone! 16:11 Jordach :> 16:11 MinetestBot wait for it.... 16:11 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 16:13 raffahacks MegAFK? 16:13 Calinou new build/teleport arrow sounds on the way 16:14 PenguinDad PilzAdam: o/ 16:14 markveidemanis Hmm 16:14 markveidemanis Would I be possible to connect 2 computers together without a router 16:15 markveidemanis and without an ethernet cable 16:15 markveidemanis Like, direct WiFi comunication 16:15 crazyR yeah you would have to share the internet on one of them and it would then act as router 16:15 Jordach markveidemanis, Android has this 16:16 raffahacks but there's a router 16:16 raffahacks still 16:16 Jordach (see 4.x.x with tethering) 16:16 raffahacks 2.x+ has got tethering 16:16 markveidemanis I'l just go out and buy an ethernet cable 16:16 markveidemanis Do I need a crossover one for UNIX and Windows 16:16 Jordach NO0 16:17 Jordach HELL NO 16:17 markveidemanis Okay den 16:17 Jordach RJ45 leads all use the same protocol 16:17 Jordach CAT5* 16:17 markveidemanis You mean windows and linux 16:17 markveidemanis You might also have meant modern computers 16:17 Jordach different leads for different protocols 16:17 Jordach see Modems 16:18 Jordach which funnily enough, turned a phone line into CAT5 16:18 Jordach and in future, you're going to start paying me in dogecoins for IT support 16:18 markveidemanis :P 16:18 * markveidemanis will ask Calinou now 16:19 markveidemanis Or I could just check the log again... 16:19 * markveidemanis remembers google 16:19 Jordach [off] i've also been giving hoodedice misinformation about dogecoin trading :D 16:19 raffahacks it isn't clear what do you want to do 16:19 raffahacks markveidemanis 16:19 markveidemanis yup 16:20 markveidemanis I'll use my netbook as a backup/server with a good fast wired connection between it and my pc 16:20 raffahacks you need to share network not internet for that 16:20 markveidemanis I'l just directly wire them 16:21 markveidemanis Best way 16:21 raffahacks of course 16:21 raffahacks or if you need wifi 16:21 raffahacks ... 16:21 raffahacks which os r u using 16:23 markveidemanis Lubuntu + Windows 8 16:23 markveidemanis Separate computers 16:23 raffahacks which one is the server 16:24 markveidemanis Erm... 16:24 markveidemanis Oh, Lubuntu 16:24 markveidemanis Will be 16:25 markveidemanis But that's different 16:25 raffahacks do u have usb wifi card 16:25 raffahacks or builtin 16:25 markveidemanis Win8 has external dongle thing 16:26 raffahacks i need to know about the server 16:26 raffahacks lubuntu here 16:27 markveidemanis ok... 16:27 raffahacks type iwconfig 16:27 markveidemanis when compiling finishes 16:28 markveidemanis 71% 16:28 raffahacks on different tty? 16:28 markveidemanis Hm? 16:28 raffahacks r u in command line or in X 16:29 markveidemanis I'd say command line (Basically full screen terminal) 16:29 markveidemanis in X then 16:29 PenguinDad wut? 16:29 markveidemanis Erm... 16:30 raffahacks Bot fault!!! 16:30 raffahacks new tab? 16:31 markveidemanis wlan0 connected 16:31 raffahacks type lsusb 16:31 raffahacks plz paste result 16:32 markveidemanis be back in a bit 16:36 raffahacks wait a moment, changing client... 16:38 raffahacks markveidemanis: are you here? 16:39 markveidemanis I have such a reliable network 16:40 markveidemanis Luckily, ZNC has it covered 16:40 Jordach BT =/= reliable 16:40 Jordach trust me. 16:40 Jordach when you need speed, you get fuck all (esp. when playing TF2 with servers only ~5 mi. away) 16:41 raffahacks What about lsusb 16:42 markveidemanis Okay, il enable SSH 16:43 MegAFK raffahacks: hey 16:43 raffahacks Hello megaf! 16:43 MegAFK finally you stayed online for long enough 16:43 Megaf raffahacks: so, you finally got minetest running on OS X uh? 16:43 raffahacks I ran minetest on a mac 16:43 markveidemanis raffahacks, http://pastie.org/9124733 16:43 Megaf What did you do? 16:46 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/6q-ioWjoERg2.png 16:50 markveidemanis !up 5.81.176.4 16:50 MinetestBot 5.81.176.4:30000 seems to be down 16:50 markveidemanis well fuck 16:50 markveidemanis !up 5.81.176.4 30010 16:50 MinetestBot 5.81.176.4:30010 seems to be down 16:50 PenguinDad !up well.fuck 16:50 MinetestBot well.fuck:30000 seems to be down 16:51 markveidemanis !up 5.81.176.4 30015 16:51 MinetestBot 5.81.176.4:30015 seems to be down 16:51 markveidemanis oh wait 16:51 markveidemanis im hosting on 30000 and 30010 is opened 16:51 markveidemanis !up 5.81.176.4 30010 16:51 MinetestBot 5.81.176.4:30010 seems to be down 16:51 markveidemanis Grr 16:52 Krock markveidemanis, seems like to be a hamachi IP 16:52 markveidemanis No, im forwarding it now 16:53 PenguinDad markveidemanis: ping -c4 5.81.176.4 "100% packet loss" 16:53 markveidemanis !up 5.81.176.4 30010 16:53 MinetestBot 5.81.176.4:30010 is up (392ms) 16:53 markveidemanis WOHOOO 16:54 Krock CONGRATS 16:54 markveidemanis Why thank you 16:54 Krock Why not? 16:55 Megaf I was flying around on my server when I notice a pretty good house someone build, so I landed and proceeded to investigate who built it and perhaps protect it, when suddenly I notice something, that's my own house! 16:57 Krock before = someone else's house || after = your house or: before = your house || after = your house? 16:57 raffahacks Hello? 16:57 Krock hai 16:57 CraigyDavi hi 16:57 PenguinDad Krock: pseudocode? 16:58 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/isL3eY-xU5XC.png 16:58 Krock PenguinDad, pseudoquestion 16:58 Megaf Krock: I was always my house, but I could not recognize it at first 16:58 Krock Jordach, very nice 16:58 Krock ok. 16:59 raffahacks Megaf? 16:59 MegAFK yes? 16:59 MegAFK brb 16:59 raffahacks Did my prevuous messages arrive? 17:00 Krock raffahacks, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-04-29 17:00 Krock check it self 17:01 raffahacks Thank you krock 17:02 Krock np 17:02 raffahacks My messages didn't come 17:02 Krock too bad 17:02 raffahacks Coz my mobile net is an unstable edge 17:03 raffahacks Ok megaf i simply ran the exe in wine 17:03 raffahacks Do u know wine? 17:03 Jordach yeah 17:03 Jordach getting wasted every weekend 17:03 raffahacks But an user, morn76; built an indipendent mac binary 17:06 Calinou [master 45bb438] New golden arrows (5 HP damage), normal arrows do 3 HP damage now, added new arrow sounds, fixed some sounds, added player falling damage sounds. 17:06 raffahacks It's a very simple way to run it, but it perfectly works ;) 17:06 Calinou I spend quite a lot of time working on Carbone these days :S 17:07 raffahacks Megaf? 17:09 raffahacks Must go to study now bye 17:09 Jordach Calinou, i've spent more time working on BFD :) 17:09 Jordach (i spent all day trying to fix the fucking tanks) 17:11 Krock My (paramat's work mostly) got no attraction :(((( 17:12 diemartin your wat 17:12 Krock *mine 17:13 Calinou my work on Carbone doesn't get much attraction too :< 17:13 Calinou or maybe that's because no one hates it :-D 17:13 Krock yup -------------^ 17:14 Megaf back 17:15 Krock Wb, we missed you. Totally. Really. 17:15 Megaf now, lets do a rm guest* Guest* 17:16 Megaf Good to know Krock, I missed you too, a lot, so much my hearth bled 17:17 diemartin Megaf, no_guests pls ;) 17:17 Krock -^ 17:17 Jordach of couse 17:17 Jordach hearts pump blood :P 17:17 Calinou Heartbleed 17:17 Krock no_guests is enough good, no more needed 17:19 Megaf 865 players named Guest, guest or admin 17:19 Krock Hmm, there's something missing like a list of mods... 17:20 Krock I could add a simple database with "click&add" but that could bet bombed with spambots 17:20 Krock *get 17:21 Calinou yup -------------^ 17:21 Calinou did you try it? ;) 17:21 Krock I won't lie to you 17:22 * Jordach did ;) 17:22 * Jordach nodeboxes his tanks: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/YdAlQ7V1Zsx2.png 17:23 Krock ( ( ( ( ( 01,01Would mean no ) ) ) ) ) 17:23 khonkhortisan You typed in the color code yourself? 17:23 Calinou my bones look fairly similar, Jordach 17:23 Krock khonkhortisan, tried to add the end of a color syntax 17:24 Krock failed. 17:24 BlockMen Jordach, looks good 17:25 sfan5 Jordach: adjusted for each bucket ofc 17:28 * Calinou made a Thunar action to convert a image to .jpg 17:28 Calinou useful 17:28 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/wyjtOCkK8Sss.jpg ← bones 17:28 sfan5 >thunar 17:28 sfan5 \o/ 17:28 sfan5 also ewww 17:28 sfan5 jpg 17:28 Calinou climbable, non-walkable, you drown in them, some dark post-process when inside 17:28 Calinou sfan5, much faster upload 17:28 Calinou and loading 17:29 diemartin >thunar 17:29 diemartin /o\ 17:29 sfan5 n ou 17:29 Calinou you don't need detail for such an image 17:31 Megaf How do I migrate from sqlite to leveldb again? 17:31 Krock Megaf, minetestserver --help 17:32 PenguinDad minetestserver --migrate leveldb --world 17:32 PenguinDad ^ Megaf 17:32 Megaf Krock: I did that, not dummy proof help 17:32 Megaf dummie 17:33 Megaf or whatever 17:33 Megaf Thanks a million PenguinDad 17:33 * PenguinDad is waiting for million to come 17:34 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/i4h1DrF.jpg 17:34 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/xlNjQre.jpg 17:34 PenguinDad D: 17:40 Krock Is minetest using vsync too? 17:40 PenguinDad Krock: vsync setting in minetest.conf 17:41 Krock PenguinDad, thx 17:41 Calinou server eats lots of CPU when not doing much stuff... 10% with 2 players 17:41 Krock on a RPi or which CPU? 17:42 Calinou i7-2600K 17:42 Calinou 8-15% of one thread used by server only 17:42 Calinou players not moving 17:42 PenguinDad Krock: cubietruck :p 17:42 Krock Calinou, hmm that's weird..maybe too much abm's on AIR? 17:42 Krock :3 17:43 Jordach Calinou, minetest for me with several players has no cpu usage 17:44 Calinou I presume it's mob stuff :( I'll try without mobs 17:45 Calinou 3-5% with one player not moving 17:45 Krock OMG, fov = 1 results in a Nitendo DS resolution 17:45 Calinou mobs or not doesn't change CPU usage much, actually 17:46 Calinou so, nevermind, but I'd expect lower usage when not doing much 17:49 Calinou BrandonReese, nice changes to Simple Mobs, I may get some into Carbone (the sounds) 17:50 Calinou only male NPCs attacks monsters... that's sexist :p 17:50 BrandonReese Maybe a little 17:50 Jordach females should throw shoes :> 17:50 BrandonReese Males are also faster 17:50 BrandonReese by a little bit 17:50 Jordach 17:50 Krock females should throw shoes :> 17:50 Krock lol 17:53 * Jordach considers adding a secret command to BFD to grant a secret model under genders.lua 17:56 Calinou play as a dungeon master! grief people's houses with fireballs! 17:56 Calinou (it's possible, it's even possible to have higher eye height in Git) 17:56 Jordach Hint: think my animatic models 17:57 Jordach and it checks if the player is me, and only me 17:59 Taoki Hi. Why are area temperatures no longer visible when pressing F5? 17:59 Taoki And humidity 18:00 Megaf Taoki: is there any use for that? 18:00 w_laenger hi 18:00 Megaf Hi w_laenger 18:00 Taoki Megaf: Sure, several mods use that I think, and seeing it is useful 18:00 PenguinDad Taoki: finite liquid got removed 18:01 Taoki PenguinDad: What's temperature got to do with finite liquid? 18:02 Taoki It's used by the mapgen and biomes, so on. 18:03 Taoki Can you still get area temperature via Lua at least? 18:04 Krock no --^ 18:04 Krock and yes, there's someworkaround 18:04 Taoki heatmap is still in the Lua API 18:04 Calinou Taoki, they were removed 18:05 Calinou “proller's a troller”. 18:05 * Calinou runs 18:05 Taoki It makes no sense to remove a feature so basic now 18:05 Calinou ask in -dev? 18:05 Taoki That will likely break numerous mods 18:06 Calinou I agree temperature and humidity were useful, but proller decided to remove them, in addition to the removal of finite_liquid 18:06 Jordach revert said commit 18:06 Jordach and manually re-remove finite water 18:08 Taoki Lua API seems to say you can still get the heatmap of biomes. So getting temperature should remain possible 18:08 Taoki At least with mapgen V7 18:12 Megaf I like redis already 18:12 Megaf \o/ All tests passed without errors! 18:12 Megaf VanessaE: do you like redis? 18:14 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30004 18:14 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30004 seems to be down 18:14 Megaf what? 18:14 Megaf You better be kidding MinetestBot 18:14 Megaf I will try once again 18:14 Megaf and you better show my server up and running 18:14 Megaf got it? 18:14 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30004 18:14 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30004 is up (257ms) 18:15 Megaf hmf 18:15 Megaf good bot 18:15 * w_laenger is back 18:16 w_laenger I think minetest should save information about the worlds' mapchunks where the player did something 18:17 w_laenger so these chunks can be removed and regenerated if the player wants this for example if he/she added a mod which changes the mapgen, eg. by adding ores 18:17 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30004 18:17 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30004 is up (472ms) 18:18 Megaf Please, anyone join that server and tell me about lag and performance, 18:18 Megaf I cant join because I'm at my workplace 18:18 lordcirth Megaf, sure 18:19 lordcirth Megaf, woot, low grav :) 18:19 Megaf lordcirth: thanks a lot! move around quickly to check mapgen performance 18:19 Megaf lordcirth: you are on the moon :) 18:21 Megaf That server is using a game based on my RPi minetest game by the way 18:21 Taoki Ok... minetest.get_mapgen_object should be able to retreive humidity and temperature of a biome. Can anyone confirm? 18:21 lordcirth Megaf, I'm at a glass wall, it's generating slowly 18:22 ShadowNinja ~up minetest.megaf.info 30000-30008 18:22 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: minetest.megaf.info port 30001 is up (601ms) | port 30002 is up (775ms) | port 30003 is up (774ms) | port 30004 is up (723ms) | port 30007 is down | port 30008 is down | port 30006 is down | port 30000 is down | port 30005 is down 18:22 lordcirth Megaf, but ghostDoge is here too, it's generating over near him 18:22 Megaf I see 18:22 ShadowNinja Better bot. ;-) 18:22 Megaf mapgen should be faster 18:22 Megaf I'm testing a dummy database 18:23 Megaf ~up minetest.megaf.info 30001-30004 18:23 ShadowBot Megaf: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (506ms) | port 30002 is up (564ms) | port 30004 is up (726ms) | port 30001 is up (773ms) 18:23 PenguinDad Megaf: I don't experience more lag than on every other server 18:24 ShadowNinja Megaf: It's parralelized for speed, and combined into one message. MTB can only do one at a time in seperate messaages. 18:25 Megaf I will change some settings on its conf lordcirth PenguinDad, 18:25 Krock ~up 85.1.67.73 18:25 ShadowBot Krock: 85.1.67.73 port 30000 is up (216ms) 18:25 PenguinDad ~up isis.inchra.net 30000-30005 18:25 ShadowBot PenguinDad: isis.inchra.net port 30005 is up (328ms) | port 30000 is up (420ms) | port 30003 is up (332ms) | port 30001 is up (468ms) | port 30002 is up (518ms) | port 30004 is up (665ms) 18:26 Krock and 4.9 maxlag with 11 player 18:26 VanessaE Megaf: I don't know what redis is. 18:27 Megaf ok, server restarted 18:27 Megaf can you test once again please? 18:27 PenguinDad I'll try redis when I get my new machine ;) 18:27 Megaf VanessaE: a very sympathetic database server 18:28 VanessaE oh. meh. 18:28 Megaf 15:27:56: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player GhostDoge moved too fast; resetting position 18:28 Megaf Segmentation fault 18:28 Megaf lol 18:28 PenguinDad Megaf: don't use anticheat 18:29 VanessaE I disabled anticheat on my servers. 18:29 VanessaE everyone hates that "feature" 18:29 lordcirth Megaf, hanging on connect to server 18:29 VanessaE it's too sensitive to lag 18:29 VanessaE lordcirth: pay attention, his server crashed. 18:29 Megaf ok, restarted 18:30 Megaf crashed again 18:31 PenguinDad it crashed when I was at item definition 18:31 PenguinDad +s 18:31 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/96451/ 18:31 Megaf let me try to fix that 18:33 sfan5 Megaf: which minetest version? 18:33 Jordach protip: don't fuck up when dealing with lava and tanks 18:33 Jordach wrong button = burned down base 18:33 Calinou bye 18:34 Megaf server not ready yet 18:34 Megaf sfan5: git from a couple of seconds ago 18:34 sfan5 hm 18:35 Megaf ok, server up and running again 18:35 Megaf sfan5: don't worry, those crashes were my fault 18:36 sfan5 Megaf: the server should have unhandled exception occurred somewhere in the log 18:36 Megaf crashed again 18:43 Megaf_ back 18:43 Megaf_ crashed again 18:43 Megaf_ http://paste.debian.net/96456/ 18:44 Megaf_ sfan5: so there might be some bug 18:44 Megaf_ sfan5: using mapgen v7 and dummy backend 18:44 sfan5 std::bad_alloc means there is not enough RAM 18:44 Megaf_ I see 18:45 Megaf_ so 1814 MB of free RAM is not enough to start a fresh world using dummy backend 18:48 Krock Megaf_, wut? 160 MB using here 18:48 Megaf_ Krock: I know, but sfan5 said that theres not enough RAM, and theres actually 1800 MB free 18:48 PenguinDad > fresh world using dummy backend 18:49 sfan5 hm 18:49 sfan5 try leveldb backend 18:49 Krock maybe a typo in dummy backend 18:49 sfan5 I don't think 1814 MB is not enouh for dummy 18:49 Megaf_ Krock: that could be 18:49 Krock while(true) { do nothing } 18:49 Krock :3 18:49 Megaf_ recompiling with leveldb support 18:49 sfan5 Krock: that would consume exactly 0 bytes RAM 18:50 PenguinDad while(true) { sleep(10) } 18:50 Krock sfan5, true. my brain thought wrong way 18:50 Krock could cause CPU usage 18:51 Krock while(true) { char* test = new char[99999]; } or however c++ works 18:52 crazyR who can recomend the best vps provider(affordable) 18:52 sfan5 digitalocean 18:52 crazyR not good, the way they limit there hardware causes all sorts of segmentation faults 18:53 crazyR i moved form them to ovh not so long ago, 18:54 Megaf_ crazyR: Linode 18:54 sfan5 you tested them? 18:54 sfan5 did you contact support about your issue? 18:54 Megaf_ They are not the chespest, but they are the best 18:54 Megaf_ and theres a good community 18:55 Krock Btw, that's the maximal data transfer of a minetest to clients in a second? 18:55 Krock maybe helpful to calculate the traffic 18:56 sfan5 minetest does not use that much traffic 18:56 Krock less than a TB/month? I have no idea how nuch :3 18:56 Krock *much 18:57 sfan5 yes ofc 18:57 Krock ok 18:57 sfan5 would be insane if MT would use more than 1TB a month 18:57 Megaf_ ok, minetest.megaf.info 30004 up again, still using dummy 18:57 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info 18:57 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info 30004 18:57 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30000 seems to be down 18:57 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30004 is up (488ms) 18:57 Krock ~up minetest.megaf.info 30004 18:57 ShadowBot Krock: minetest.megaf.info port 30004 is up (2703ms) 18:57 Krock uh 18:58 lordcirth ouch 18:58 Krock 2.7s, bad. very bad. 18:58 sfan5 >488ms 18:58 lordcirth Krock, I got in tho 18:58 Megaf_ crashed 18:58 Jordach !up jordach.minetest.net 18:58 MinetestBot jordach.minetest.net:30000 is up (309ms) 18:58 Megaf_ 15:58:01: ACTION[ServerThread]: lordcirth joins game. List of players: Amaz 18:58 Megaf_ Segmentation fault 18:58 sfan5 gdb please 18:58 Krock Megaf_, corruped build. 18:58 Amaz_ Is there supposed to be anything there? 18:59 lordcirth Megaf_, what is running this server? 18:59 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 seems to be down 18:59 Megaf_ sfan5: should I build in debug release? 19:00 Krock a BlackBerry Pi on a cobblewire connection 19:00 sfan5 Megaf_: yep 19:00 Megaf_ lordcirth: another server, port 30003 19:00 PenguinDad Krock: Strawberry e is better :p 19:01 Krock PenguinDad, ah yes. How dumb from me, using Pi *headdesks* 19:01 Megaf_ sfan5: heres my cmake bty 19:01 Megaf_ cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT:BOOL=0 -DBUILD_SERVER:BOOL=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:STRING=Debug -DENABLE_CURL:BOOL=ON -DWARN_ALL:BOOL=1 -DVERSION_EXTRA:STRING=Moon -DRUN_IN_PLACE:BOOL=1 -DENABLE_REDIS:BOOL=0 -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR:PATH=/home/user/Minetest/BuildDeps/irrlicht-1.8.1/ -DENABLE_SOUND:BOOL=OFF -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1 19:01 Krock spammer, kick him 19:01 Krock 19:01 Megaf_ building again 19:01 sfan5 you can omit all that :BOOL :STRING stuff 19:01 lordcirth Megaf_, yeah, pastebin that kinda thing, next time 19:01 sfan5 -DWARN_ALL:BOOL=1 is default and can be omitted 19:02 Megaf_ sfan5: just in case someone decides to change the defaults... 19:02 Megaf_ as happens pretty often in minetest 19:02 Megaf_ like sometime decided to not have temperature showing anymore 19:02 ShadowNinja lordcirth, Krock: It's one message, no nead for a pastebin. 19:02 ShadowNinja need* 19:03 * Megaf_ thins is ok to paste up to 3 lines 19:03 * Megaf_ thinks is ok to paste up to 3 lines 19:03 lordcirth ShadowBot, but it's 8 lines on my screen 19:03 lordcirth ShadowNinja, * 19:03 ShadowNinja Megaf_: WARN_ALL does nothing BTW. -Wall is always set. 19:03 Krock ShadowBot, what's the string length limit? 19:03 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add download rate to media progress bar (non http mode only!) c03d7dc8a7 2014-04-29T20:45:16+02:00 http://git.io/ 19:04 ShadowNinja lordcirth: s/line/message/ 19:04 Krock git.io link broken? 19:04 PenguinDad lol 19:04 ShadowNinja And your screen is far too narrow. ;-) 19:04 Krock s/ShadowBot/ShadowNinja 19:05 ShadowNinja ~give Krock source 19:05 ShadowBot Krock: My source is at https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria -- Custom plugins are at https://github.com/ShadowNinja/Limnoria-plugins 19:05 Krock crazyR, WHY? Just don't post afterme! 19:05 crazyR ? 19:05 Krock @minetest github issue 19:05 Krock ~take source 19:06 crazyR i posted after PilzAdam 19:06 Krock crazyR, refresh page? :3 19:06 Krock wtf 19:06 crazyR oh yeah haha nm i added some additional points 19:06 Krock whatever.. 19:07 crazyR put your knickers back on :D lol 19:07 ShadowNinja sfan5: s/GIT/Git/ 19:07 Megaf_ I wonder why my moon test still showing up there > http://servers.minetest.net/ 19:07 sfan5 ShadowNinja: maybe.. 19:07 ShadowNinja Megaf_: It only updates every fixe minutes. 19:07 ShadowNinja five* 19:07 sfan5 Megaf_: because it did not de-annouce because of the segfault 19:08 Megaf_ sfan5: ok 19:08 Megaf_ that makes sense 19:08 Krock Players/Max Avg/Top 10/22 6/26 19:08 lordcirth Megaf_, wow, this a big server 19:08 Krock more top than max :D 19:09 Megaf_ Krock: max players used to be a much higher vakue 19:09 Megaf_ value 19:09 Megaf_ then I limited it more 19:09 Krock ikr 19:10 Krock crazy physics.. 19:10 crazyR ? 19:10 Megaf_ sfan5: still compiling here... I used make -j 1 19:11 Megaf_ and seems like debug build takes longer 19:11 Megaf_ 57% 19:11 sfan5 yes it does 19:11 lordcirth Megaf_, do you have luaJIT? 19:11 Megaf_ sfan5: later on, $ gdp minetesetserver ? 19:12 Megaf_ lordcirth: yep 19:12 Megaf_ all my servers run with LuaJIT 19:12 Krock ~calc "crazyR" == "crazy" 19:12 ShadowBot Krock: Error: 'crazyr' is not a defined function. 19:12 crazyR lol 19:12 sfan5 Megaf_: partly... do gdb --args minetestserver 19:12 sfan5 then do "run" and "bt full" when it crashes 19:13 Megaf_ sfan5: should I use any argument in special? 19:13 sfan5 nope 19:13 sfan5 just the normal ones you use 19:13 * Megaf_ uses none 19:14 sfan5 the none at all 19:14 Salvakiya hello all 19:14 sfan5 hello 19:14 Salvakiya question... does minetest have survival multiplayer? 19:14 Krock sure 19:14 sfan5 yes 19:14 Krock most servers are survival 19:15 Salvakiya how does it compare to minecraft/ 19:15 Salvakiya ? 19:15 * Krock ruins away 19:15 sfan5 depends on the mods you install 19:15 sfan5 and the subgame you use 19:15 * PenguinDad gallops away 19:15 Salvakiya what ones would you reccomend? 19:15 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=11 19:15 Krock those 19:15 sfan5 mods: see http://minetest.net/mods 19:15 Salvakiya and what language is MineTest written in? 19:15 sfan5 subgames: Minetest NeXt 19:16 sfan5 C++ and the actual content in Lua 19:16 * Megaf_ runs away 19:16 Salvakiya so Minetest > Minecraft? 19:17 Salvakiya I just stumbled on it 19:17 Salvakiya =P 19:17 Megaf_ we think so 19:17 sfan5 depends on your view 19:17 Salvakiya in which ways would you guys say it is better? aside from the monies =P 19:17 PenguinDad !c 'Minetest' > 'Minecraft' 19:17 MinetestBot True 19:17 Megaf_ Salvakiya: well, Open Source, Open Community, Open Mods, Freedom 19:17 sfan5 simple modding api 19:18 sfan5 mods even work between many versions 19:18 sfan5 you do NOT need to update a mod every version 19:18 Megaf_ if you want creepers and theres no creepers, then you can make your very own creepers 19:18 sfan5 the client automatically downloads the mod data 19:18 sfan5 (= textures, sounds, models) 19:18 Salvakiya thats nice =) 19:19 Salvakiya I shall quest it then! 19:19 * Megaf_ want creepers, zombies, chickens, ocelots and pigs 19:19 Megaf_ and wolfs! 19:20 Megaf_ sfan5: compiled 19:20 * PenguinDad wants Doges and Kittehs 19:20 Jordach Megaf_, we've technically got villagers in BFD 19:20 Jordach random NPC EvergreenTrees rarely spawn from evergreen saplings 19:21 Megaf_ weird, 19:21 PenguinDad Jordach: stop your genetic experiments! 19:21 Megaf_ 9: Bind failed: Address already in use 19:21 Megaf_ terminate called after throwing an instance of 'SocketException' 19:21 Megaf_ what(): Failed to bind socket 19:22 sfan5 try another port 19:22 Megaf_ sfan5: but theres nothing using that port 19:22 sfan5 there seems to be 19:22 sfan5 just try 19:23 Megaf_ sfan5: same message for 30005, somethings wrong 19:23 sfan5 hm 19:25 Megaf_ I will recompile it in Release 19:28 Megaf_ Jordach: make catss 19:28 Megaf_ it will be a first 19:29 Megaf_ minetest, the only voxel games that comes with cats 19:29 PenguinDad and Doges 19:29 Megaf_ s/games/game 19:33 Jordach !tell Krock i, too, used to be like you: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&start=275 19:33 MinetestBot Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever 19:35 Megaf_ sfan5: using Release build it works 19:35 Megaf_ Im gdbing right now 19:35 Megaf_ folks, everyone, lets debug my server! minetest.megaf.info 30004 19:36 Salvakiya hmm 19:36 Salvakiya it seems my world is made of rocks and coal? 19:36 Salvakiya where are the trees? 19:37 Jordach Salvakiya, using magpen v7, use mapgen v6 in the world creation options 19:37 Salvakiya oh ic 19:37 PenguinDad Salvakiya: are you on Megaf's server? 19:37 Salvakiya I am doing singleplayer 19:37 Jordach there are games that use mgv7, like mine, but there aren't many that DO 19:38 Megaf_ yep, crashed already 19:38 Salvakiya -_- 19:38 PenguinDad or PilzAdam's Nodetopia 19:38 Megaf_ PenguinDad: you are a crasher 19:38 Salvakiya its still shutting down stuff 19:38 Salvakiya did it crash? 19:38 Salvakiya yup 19:38 Salvakiya it died 19:39 PenguinDad Fuck my connection -.- 19:39 Megaf_ sfan5: gdb of that crash http://paste.debian.net/96463/ 19:40 Megaf_ lets try again, now using leveldb 19:40 Megaf_ PenguinDad: server is up 19:40 Salvakiya hmm 19:41 Salvakiya how do I make a crafting table? 19:41 Salvakiya oh wiat 19:41 Megaf_ Salvakiya: you dont 19:41 Salvakiya wait* 19:41 Salvakiya no need? 19:41 Megaf_ you already have 19:41 Megaf_ its built in 19:42 Megaf_ server still up, but theres no one online... 19:42 Megaf_ bow there is 19:42 Megaf_ not crashing yet 19:42 Salvakiya what server? 19:43 Megaf_ Salvakiya: my test server, we are trying to find a bug 19:43 Megaf_ Salvakiya: address minetest.megaf.info port 30004 19:43 Megaf_ feeel free to join the party 19:43 Megaf_ fee 19:43 Megaf_ feel* 19:43 Megaf_ Salvakiya: Its a moon server :) 19:44 Salvakiya well what is the best server for me to join in order to see Minetest>minecraft? 19:44 PenguinDad hmmm after doing git reset --hard origin/master it worked 19:44 Megaf_ PenguinDad: I switched the database backend too 19:44 Megaf_ its leveldb now, and no longer dummy 19:45 Megaf_ Salvakiya: hm, Im not sure, I will suggest always my own server, minetest.megaf.info 30003 19:45 Megaf_ we are building cool stuff there 19:45 Megaf_ but there are other good servers around 19:45 Salvakiya wait... do I need to make an account somewhere? 19:45 Megaf_ Salvakiya: nope 19:46 Megaf_ just put an user name and a password 19:46 Megaf_ that will be your account 19:46 Salvakiya oh i c 19:46 Salvakiya so there is no master server 19:46 Salvakiya its based on each server 19:46 Salvakiya nice 19:46 Megaf_ nope 19:46 Salvakiya i like that 19:46 Megaf_ yep 19:47 Megaf_ Salvakiya: well, on some server, like mine own, you need to get the interact priv in order to build or craft things or mine 19:47 Salvakiya what mods and such are installed on your server? 19:47 Megaf_ we do that to prevent griefing 19:47 Salvakiya right 19:47 Salvakiya makes sense 19:48 Salvakiya I presume I am downloading mods right now =P its taking forever to join 19:48 Megaf_ Salvakiya: my server is pretty much a vanilla server, with not a lot of mods, I added the homedecor mod, it gives a lot of very good furniture and decoration items, VanessaE made that mod 19:48 Salvakiya ahh gocha 19:48 Megaf_ using mesecons, thats like the things you do with redstone in minetest 19:48 Megaf_ and pipeworks, the name explain itself 19:48 Megaf_ I also added some new ores and mods 19:49 Megaf_ nodes8 19:49 Megaf_ but, all pretty basic stuff, a lot of servers have those mods 19:49 Megaf_ Salvakiya: connection time will be much better if you disable the Preload Item Visuals in settings 19:49 Salvakiya oh... 19:49 Salvakiya ya I am still on Media... 19:50 Salvakiya any chance the devs will add global illumination? 19:50 Salvakiya that would be sick 19:50 Megaf_ !tell sapier Please, lets remove the "preload item visuals" from settings and set it to off, it makes connection time much higher and it doesnt change a thing on the actual gameplay. 19:50 MinetestBot Megaf_: yeah, yeah 19:51 Salvakiya ^ agreed 19:51 Salvakiya still on media 19:51 Salvakiya but I am 3/4 of the way there 19:51 Megaf_ Salvakiya: you can close minetest and open it again, disabling that option 19:52 Megaf_ it will be faster than wating 19:52 Salvakiya lol kk 19:52 lordcirth Salvakiya, what do you mean by "global illumination"? everything always lit, no need for torches? 19:52 Salvakiya no 19:52 Salvakiya global illumination means that light will bounce off surfaces 19:52 Salvakiya it simulates real light 19:53 Salvakiya usually they only simulate 2 bounces 19:53 PenguinDad Global Illumination in tesseract is quite nice 19:53 Megaf_ Salvakiya: PenguinDad is working on things like that 19:53 Salvakiya OpenSpades has global illumination 19:53 Salvakiya =) 19:53 lordcirth Salvakiya, that would be quite nice. different materials would have different reflection ratios, I imagine? 19:54 Salvakiya ya 19:54 Salvakiya so if you shined a light on a red block 19:54 Salvakiya there would be color bleed 19:54 Megaf_ imagine the amount of CPU needed for that 19:54 Salvakiya not much 19:54 Megaf_ we better implement that using the GPU 19:54 Salvakiya if you do it rigt 19:54 Salvakiya right* 19:54 Salvakiya I have never done it but I watched a video about it 19:54 Salvakiya they said that voxel cones are a great way to do so 19:55 Salvakiya idk what OpenSpades is written in.. might be C++ but I dont think it uses irrlicht 19:55 Salvakiya however the devs could maybe collaborate 19:56 PenguinDad Salvakiya: we don't have colored lights in minetest atm 19:56 Megaf_ Salvakiya: but now you wont be able to do much on my server, I will be home in a couple of hours, then I will grant you interact, or ask sin if he passes by 19:56 PenguinDad Megaf_: on which things am I working 19:56 Salvakiya PenguinDad global illuminations color bleed is just one feature. you dont need colored lights for it to be a valid feature 19:57 Salvakiya for global illumination to be a valid feature 19:57 Salvakiya * 19:57 Salvakiya Megaf_ just got in! 19:59 Megaf_ cool 20:00 Jordach aww 20:00 * Jordach was hoping his bank account would have cash in 20:00 Megaf_ Salvakiya: there are some free empty houses, I can show you later on 20:00 Salvakiya aight 20:00 Megaf_ Jordach: mine has cache! 20:00 Megaf_ I got like, 80 cents 20:00 Jordach Megaf_, i have like, £213]# 20:00 PenguinDad has anyone tried running a server on a cubietruck yet? 20:00 Megaf_ you are rich! 20:01 Megaf_ never heard of it PenguinDad 20:01 Megaf_ PenguinDad: expensivel 20:03 Megaf_ PenguinDad: Megaf Server V4.0 (port 30003) runs on this http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php 20:04 Megaf_ credit card size board 20:05 * Jordach should get one 20:05 Salvakiya wait what does finite liquids do? 20:05 lordcirth A hint for all trap-makers: when making lava traps, use water instead during testing :) 20:05 Jordach Salvakiya, ignore it, the next version it's removed 20:06 Megaf_ PenguinDad: cool thing about the cubie is it has a SATA port 20:06 Salvakiya so what mobs are in vanilla minetest? 20:06 Megaf_ none 20:07 Salvakiya dang 20:10 PenguinDad another cool thing is you can buy it much easier in germany than the odroid 20:10 Megaf_ PenguinDad: I had to pay a lot of taxes here 20:10 Megaf_ I paid 110% the original value 20:11 Megaf_ Im not importing anything else to this shitty country 20:11 * Megaf_ wonders if minetest developers have jobs 20:12 PenguinDad In germany you often get problems with the Bundeszollverwaltung 20:12 Megaf_ Salvakiya: soon you will get used to minetest textures 20:16 Megaf_ PenguinDad: I really like those cubietruck products 20:28 Jordach MegafK 20:28 * sfan5 meows at Jordach 20:28 PenguinDad Mega FK 20:28 Jordach Mega Fuck ^ 20:31 markveidemanis hi 20:31 markveidemanis Do i need to recompile minetest to use node_ownership? 20:31 markveidemanis https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=846 20:31 Jordach markveidemanis, areas 20:31 Jordach that's an ancient fucking mod there 20:31 markveidemanis I want to use it 20:32 markveidemanis areas is a bit too complex 20:32 Jordach ask ShadowNinja about it at https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas 20:32 Jordach bullshirt 20:32 markveidemanis Too many commands 20:32 markveidemanis ownership just...works 20:32 markveidemanis set_owner player start end is logical 20:32 ShadowNinja markveidemanis: Look at the code. It works but has issues. 20:32 Jordach markveidemanis, and its outdated 20:33 Jordach nothing supports it 20:33 markveidemanis Well, that's not the question 20:33 markveidemanis Will it work [better] if i recompile? 20:33 ShadowNinja I think I'm the only one to work on it recently (if you could call areas that) 20:33 Jordach markveidemanis, recompiling won't do shit 20:33 Jordach it's a fucking mod 20:34 ShadowNinja markveidemanis: No, no mods touch compilation of Minetest. 20:34 markveidemanis There's two diff files 20:34 Jordach for an ancient version 20:34 markveidemanis one for builtin.lua and one for server.cpp 20:34 Jordach markveidemanis, it's OLD AS SHIT AND USES PATCHES THAT CAUSE GIT CONFLICTS 20:36 ShadowNinja markveidemanis: lol I don't think those are needed anymore. 20:37 ShadowNinja I forgot about those engine patches. 20:39 markveidemanis Always used it, always will 20:40 sfan5 that does not work 20:40 sfan5 (with most things) 20:41 sfan5 you will not be able to always use IE5 or Windows 2000 or ... 20:43 ShadowNinja markveidemanis: Because of the ancient way it handles chat commands it doesn't show up in /help. I'll leave you to figure out why. :-) 20:44 markveidemanis It gets the job done :) 20:44 markveidemanis And I know how to use it 20:58 markveidemanis !up 5.81.176.4 20:58 MinetestBot 5.81.176.4:30000 seems to be down 20:58 markveidemanis !up 5.81.176.4 30010 20:58 MinetestBot 5.81.176.4:30010 is up (344ms) 21:02 lordcirth is there a mod that adds a tougher glass? 21:02 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add proper lua api deprecated handling b5acec0a3c 2014-04-29T22:49:04+02:00 http://git.io/ 21:03 lordcirth moreblocks has ironglass, but it's just a different color, it's not any tougher. We need plexiglass :) 21:04 markveidemanis Useful link there, minetestbot 21:04 Salvakiya so... 21:04 Salvakiya is there a mod for cutting down trees 21:04 Salvakiya realistically 21:04 Salvakiya like... 21:04 Salvakiya chop the block in the center and the rest will fall? 21:04 lordcirth Salvakiya, well, technic's chainsaw lets you click the bottom block and the rest break 21:05 lordcirth Salvakiya, problem is, if we gave default:tree physics, people couldn't build overhangs with them 21:06 Salvakiya well idk how bukkit does it 21:07 Salvakiya but they have it to where if you destroy a tree block... the rest of the tree will break... but not if it was placed by a player 21:08 lordcirth Salvakiya, interesting. that probably involves overwriting the default:tree definition, which is kinda hacky. Then again, if it was implemented in default, then it wouldn't be so hacky 21:08 markveidemanis that'd be nice 21:09 Salvakiya well bukkit is a server mod for vanilla minecraft 21:09 Salvakiya actually bukkit does not do it itself there is a mod for it 21:09 Salvakiya but it would be nice to see a mod like that for Minetest 21:09 markveidemanis There must me, do a search 21:09 markveidemanis *be 21:10 lordcirth Salvakiya, I could probably write such a mod easily, but it might break other things, not sure 21:10 markveidemanis There just has to be 21:12 markveidemanis How do i save the world? 21:12 markveidemanis via commmand? 21:12 Salvakiya what is the best RPG ish game mode? 21:12 lordcirth How hard would it be to make a tool that made light while in the player's hand? 21:13 PenguinDad lordcirth: it would be laggy very laggy 21:14 lordcirth PenguinDad, because it would have to update lightmaps really often? 21:16 PenguinDad yes and it would have to check the players position every globalstep 21:20 ShadowNinja sfan5: git.io/ twice ^. 21:24 Salvakiya so... 21:24 Salvakiya none of my mods are loading 21:24 Salvakiya says failed to load and run 21:25 Salvakiya why can I not run mods in SP? 21:25 PenguinDad how are the mod folders named? 21:25 Salvakiya just their default name 21:26 Salvakiya like animals_modpack-2.3.6 21:27 PenguinDad Salvakiya: could you please pastebin the error message 21:27 Salvakiya any idea as to why it wont work? 21:28 Salvakiya uuu 21:28 Salvakiya it just says it cant run the lua 21:28 Salvakiya or whatev 21:28 Salvakiya its not a crash 21:29 Salvakiya tho 21:29 Salvakiya wth 21:29 Salvakiya why is there no \ in the filename? 21:29 markveidemanis ... 21:29 markveidemanis Write longer and less often 21:29 markveidemanis Look for debug.txt 21:30 markveidemanis Usually in the same folder as the minetest.exe 21:30 Salvakiya it says ERROR: ModErrorminetest-0.4.9minetest-0.4.9bin..modsPilzAdam-carts-70cc4f4init.lua 21:31 Salvakiya wait 21:31 markveidemanis no it doesn't 21:31 Salvakiya the file says ModError: ModError: Failed to load and run F:\minetest-0.4.9\minetest-0.4.9\bin\..\mods\PilzAdam-carts-70cc4f4\init.lua 21:31 markveidemanis rename PilzAdam-carts-70cc4f4 to carts 21:31 Salvakiya kk 21:31 markveidemanis wait no 21:31 markveidemanis wait 21:31 PilzAdam Salvakiya, it's quite funny 21:32 markveidemanis make a new file called modpack.txt inside 21:32 PilzAdam it's exactly the example of the wiki http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods 21:32 PilzAdam markveidemanis, no, renaming is the correct way 21:32 markveidemanis For your mod? 21:32 markveidemanis I thought it had the actual mod inside 21:32 markveidemanis as well as all the readme stuff 21:33 Salvakiya what is the illigal character in the name? 21:33 Salvakiya the .? 21:33 markveidemanis READ THE LINK!!! 21:33 markveidemanis http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods 21:34 markveidemanis PilzAdam, Theres a bad link on the wiki page 21:34 markveidemanis The first one in the main content in fast 21:34 markveidemanis *fact 21:34 PilzAdam ^ ShadowNinja 21:35 Salvakiya wow that is crap. Why not package mods with a filder nammed what they should be? 21:35 Salvakiya folder* 21:35 PenguinDad Salvakiya: this is caused by GitHub 21:36 markveidemanis Could someone test 5.81.176.4:30010 21:37 PenguinDad !g hardstyle soundcloud 21:37 MinetestBot PenguinDad: http://soundcloud.com/groups/hardstyle 21:44 markveidemanis !up sockbat.noip.me 21:44 MinetestBot sockbat.noip.me:30000 is up (226ms) 21:56 EvergreenTree Hello everyone 22:02 CraigyDavi hi EvergreenTree 22:02 Megaf Salvakiya: still there? 22:06 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix usage of deprecated functions in builtin 4b44d359f5 2014-04-29T23:57:07+02:00 http://git.io/ 22:10 crazyR Intel Xeon E3 1225v2 - 4 cores/ 4 threads - 3.2 GHz+ 32GB ddr3 ram 2 x 2TB SATA harddrives 1 Gbps up/down <--- this looks sexy :D might get it this week 22:12 VanessaE sfan5: um, shouldn't Minetestbot give an *actual* url to the commit? 22:12 VanessaE pointing to git.io here is ...useless :P 22:15 VanessaE crazyR: nice. but, no SSD? FAIL :P 22:18 EvergreenTree My computer is always WIP 22:18 EvergreenTree next stuff in order is ssd, 4gb more ram, better mobo, and a better heat sync for the cpu 22:20 crazyR for an extra £10 i could get this one: Intel Xeon E3 1245v2 4 cores/ 8 threads 3.4 GHz+ 32 GB DDR3 2 x 120 GB SSD 1Gbps 22:20 Taoki https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=139975#p140000 The power of Minetest with proper biomes. How did we not have something like this before and on more servers! 22:27 FreeFull When the custom worldgen in minecraft was announced, I thought of minetest 22:27 lemon cool 22:29 lordcirth EvergreenTree, do you have a heatsink picked out? 22:29 EvergreenTree yeah 22:29 lordcirth EvergreenTree, which one? 22:29 EvergreenTree let me check 22:30 EvergreenTree cooler master hyper 212 evo 22:30 Exio4 plus 22:30 lordcirth EvergreenTree, good4u. that's exactly what I was going to recommend 22:31 EvergreenTree well, it was the most highly recommended one out there 22:31 EvergreenTree do you have it> 22:31 EvergreenTree *? 22:31 lordcirth EvergreenTree, remember it comes with brackets to mount a 2nd fan, as well. so if you have a spare 120mm, you can make it more OP 22:31 EvergreenTree ah 22:31 EvergreenTree also, a fan controller 22:31 EvergreenTree my current mobo has only one place for fans 22:32 EvergreenTree case fans that is 22:32 EvergreenTree so one fan which came with the case isn't doing anything 22:32 lordcirth EvergreenTree, you can run case fans off the power supply too 22:32 lordcirth EvergreenTree, you can get a set of Molex > 3pin adapter cables really cheap 22:33 EvergreenTree ah 22:33 EvergreenTree I'll bookmark it 22:33 lordcirth like 4 for $5 iirc 22:33 lordcirth EvergreenTree, my original rig had a Hyper 212 Plus, iirc. it's amazing, and the Evo has better ratings. 22:34 EvergreenTree good to know 22:34 EvergreenTree probably what I'll get next 22:34 lordcirth That cooler is in a friend's office PC now, it's working great still, 3+ yo 22:36 EvergreenTree do you have a recomendation as to the molex to 3 pin adapter? 22:36 lordcirth EvergreenTree, I'll look, my case actually came with 2 bc it has so many fans :) 22:36 EvergreenTree ah 22:37 EvergreenTree what the heck ShadowBot? 22:37 lordcirth EvergreenTree, looks like we should PM lol 22:37 EvergreenTree :P 22:38 Megaf Salvakiya: I just granted you interact 22:39 diemartin ShadowNinja, ^ 23:07 CraigyDavi I now make windows builds for freeminer: http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/craigs-windows-builds-32-bit.124/ 23:11 Inocudom VanessaE, I wish to have the interact priviledge on your Nore's Mapgen server. 23:11 VanessaE sure 23:11 VanessaE done 23:12 Inocudom It looks like that server doesn't have the homedecor mod. I wonder if it could be added to it. Server doesn't seem to have a topic for it either. 23:12 Inocudom Thank you. 23:13 VanessaE naw it's really more of a testing grounds for nore/sfan5's mg mapgen mod 23:13 VanessaE so I didn't add anything that mg didn't need 23:13 VanessaE save for some admin tools 23:33 Megaf ok 23:33 Megaf lets discuss that here 23:33 Megaf HD6450 is another option I have VanessaE 23:34 Megaf its worse than r7 240 too 23:36 VanessaE HD6450 rates a 289 23:37 VanessaE can't you just buy online?> 23:38 VanessaE Megaf: HD7990 is good 23:38 Megaf This one would be the best one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150710 23:38 VanessaE 5542 on the benchmark 23:38 VanessaE heh, but I doubt you're gonna pay those prices. 23:39 VanessaE http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=XFX-R9270A&c=pw&hash=1218X1G%2B6VOMLjVE2VfFTplUSLg4kFkRCRS6PyaREBWBI037FoBUv8YfuQfSaAoPNMusUPeXDCRhGhIWJ9%2Bjxgl7P6IGfmUFn14Y3OyyfUmx%2FjLL3j6qOWDmAVI 23:39 VanessaE I buy from SuperBiiz from time to time. 23:39 VanessaE this one here should be quite good. 23:39 Megaf in Brazil we cant import anything 23:39 VanessaE horseshit 23:39 Megaf they will chage 110% AT LEAST 23:39 VanessaE you can buy online and have it shipped in, I'm sure of that 23:39 Megaf charge* 23:40 VanessaE so? 23:40 VanessaE you're saying they'll double the price? 23:40 VanessaE prove it. 23:40 Megaf so? If I buy something that costs 100 USD I will gave to pay 210 USD 23:40 Megaf at least 23:41 VanessaE when was the last time you did that, and what was it for? 23:41 Megaf VanessaE: a couple of months ago 23:41 Megaf to run my server 23:41 VanessaE no, what was the product 23:42 VanessaE and who did you buy it from? 23:42 Megaf http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php + some accessories 23:43 Megaf ODROID-U3 Community Edition + 5V/2A Adaptor + HDMI Cable + U3 Case 23:44 Megaf ODROID-U3 Community Edition $59.00 + 5V/2A Adaptor $5.50 + HDMI Cable $5.70 + U3 Case $4.00, VanessaE 23:45 lisacvuk any news about android minetest edition? 23:45 Megaf VanessaE: so instead paying $99.20 I paid 110% of that 23:46 Megaf ODROID-U3 Community Edition $59.00 + 5V/2A Adaptor $5.50 + HDMI Cable $5.70 + U3 Case $4.00+ $25.00 (shipping) = $99.20, VanessaE 23:48 VanessaE lisacvuk: http://animalsmod.comuf.com/downloads/Minetest-debug.apk 23:49 VanessaE Megaf: and what was their justification? 23:49 Megaf none 23:49 VanessaE exactly what point in the transaction did you have to pay the extra price? 23:49 Megaf its taxes over taxes that we are obligated to pay to import 23:50 Megaf only thin we can import without taxes are books 23:50 VanessaE you didn't answer my question 23:50 Megaf VanessaE: the extra price is tax over importation 23:50 VanessaE and you paid this at what point in the transaction? 23:51 Megaf It's just the law here 23:51 Megaf when I got the product at home 23:51 VanessaE so you paid the taxes after the fact. 23:51 VanessaE not in the transaction. 23:51 Megaf I paid 99,20 USD online, 23:51 Megaf at taxes at home 23:51 crazyR what if you got a freind out of the country to but it and then sent it to you as a gift :D 23:52 VanessaE and how were your tax authorities informed that you had taxes to pay? 23:52 crazyR they you send your freind a gift of money 23:52 VanessaE and why did you not hire a tax professional? 23:52 Megaf VanessaE: there's no such a thing here... to hire someone it would be really expensive 23:53 VanessaE Megaf: have you asked? 23:53 Megaf I paid using credit card, and hardkernel have to declare the product value 23:53 VanessaE and there IS such a thing 23:53 VanessaE *facepalm* 23:53 VanessaE you paid it because they told you you had to? 23:53 Megaf VanessaE: no, because it's the law... 23:53 VanessaE every country that has a tax system has tax collectors and something equivalent to the IRS. 23:54 Megaf there is a tax of x% over electronic imports 23:54 VanessaE and something equivalent to what we call CPAs - certified public accountant. 23:54 Megaf over 23:54 VanessaE yeah and there's probably a loophole in your law that says it only applies if you can't get that equipment from a local store 23:54 VanessaE or if no equivalent exists 23:54 Megaf yep, there should be, I researched for 23:54 VanessaE don't just pay the taxes because the law "says you have to" 23:54 VanessaE go hire a CPA 23:55 VanessaE they aren't THAT expensive. 23:55 Megaf VanessaE: I don't care, I moving from this shitty country 23:55 crazyR carefull megaf there watching you :D 23:56 Megaf I don't care... 23:56 Megaf I pay my taxes.. a lot of, and I get nothing 23:56 Megaf we don't have education, don't have health, no transport 23:56 VanessaE Megaf: it looks like that import tax only applies to COMPANIES importing for sale 23:56 Megaf nothing 23:57 VanessaE not to individuals 23:57 VanessaE and it is expected to be repealed as unconstitutional. 23:57 Megaf nope, I read some documents 23:57 Megaf once sec, I will show you a link 23:57 Megaf if I find it 23:57 Megaf from out "tax colector" 23:57 crazyR VanessaE: http://www.dutycalculator.com/country-guides/Import-duty-taxes-when-importing-into-Brazil/ 23:57 crazyR hes right 23:57 VanessaE says here it went into effect in 1998 and that it is a fixed cost of ~US $90 23:58 VanessaE brb 23:59 Megaf VanessaE: yep, take a look at the list of taxes we have to pay http://www.dutycalculator.com/country-guides/Import-duty-taxes-when-importing-into-Brazil/ 23:59 Megaf maybe I can get free of some 23:59 Megaf but not all 23:59 VanessaE "Duty rates in Brazil vary from 0% to 35%," 23:59 VanessaE so there ARE loopholes.