Time  Nick           Message
00:44 us`0gb         Um. This guy scares me: <http://i.imgur.com/pCWwMGl.png>.
00:53 EvergreenTree  "Nothing is better than anything, everything is better than anything"
00:53 EvergreenTree  - Mindblow
00:53 EvergreenTree  :P
03:35 khonkhortisan  I upgraded my computer from 2GB to 8GB RAM and it still can't handle the 512px HDX texture pack :P
03:38 BrandonReese   how much ram does your video card have?
03:47 khonkhortisan  2GB
04:20 khonkhortisan  I just realized I know of three brandons.
05:33 us`0gb         I can't even handle shaders any more. I'm not even going to try graphics packs.
05:36 us`0gb         Is there a known legal Android version of Minetest?
05:56 VanessaE       us`0gb:  http://animalsmod.comuf.com/downloads/Minetest-debug.apk
05:56 VanessaE       sapier's build
05:56 us`0gb         Thanks VanessaE!
05:56 VanessaE       it's very experimental and incomplete but it even runs on MY low-end tablet
05:57 us`0gb         I don't have a mobile device yet, but I'm thinking about getting one.
05:57 us`0gb         It would be nice to be able to take Minetest with me if I do.
05:57 VanessaE       texture packs require very little resources.  any machine can run a texture pack as long as you don't go apeshit with the resolution.
06:00 us`0gb         VanessaE: Does the copy of GloopBlocks you use still allow the creation of cats and rainbows?
06:00 VanessaE       (now HDX-512....well that requires a pretty hefty system.  I can't even run it at full blast anymore)
06:00 VanessaE       us`0gb: yeah if you can find enough mithril :P
06:00 VanessaE       (in other words, don't count on it)
06:00 VanessaE       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4019
06:02 VanessaE       they're so expensive and so hard to make, that you'd probably find a naturally-occurring one first.
06:03 us`0gb         Okay, cool. If they still used the old easy recipe, I wasn't even going to bother trying to get cats. They were kind of worthless that way.
06:03 VanessaE       oh hell no
06:04 VanessaE       "* Nyan cats/rainbows can be crafted as well, but are extremely expensive by design.  In any positions in the crafting grid, place one of the above rainbow blocks along with one each of default diamond, steel, copper, bronze, gold, and Mese blocks, and one each of silver and Mithril blocks from the Moreores mod.   Yields exactly one Nyan cat rainbow."
06:04 VanessaE       nine of those makes one nyan cat (head)
06:04 VanessaE       (the "above" rainbow block is a cheap decorative block made with dyes, stone, and a mese crystal, but is not a nyan cat rainbow)
06:04 us`0gb         Yeah, I saw that. I can live with that. They still have value at that cost.
06:19 sfan5          meow
10:39 krupnovpavel   Hello is all!
12:09 PilzAdam       Hello everyone!
12:14 sfan5          hi everyone
12:17 LazyJ          G'mornin' ;)
12:22 sfan5          morning?
12:22 sfan5          it's 1:22 PM
12:37 Exio4          [09:22:43] <sfan5> it's 1:22 PM
12:37 Exio4          9:22AM
12:38 LazyJ          05:35 here. ;)
12:55 BorisGrishenko YELLOW?
12:56 sfan5          ORANGE
12:56 BorisGrishenko Damn, responds take alot of time here
12:56 BorisGrishenko I want to ask
12:56 BorisGrishenko who deleted my 2nd fanfic?
13:01 sfan5          name?
13:01 BorisGrishenko Ladies and Their Incentives
13:01 BorisGrishenko the very weird one.
13:03 sfan5          dunno who did that
13:04 BorisGrishenko I was wonderin' if it was Calinou, Vanessa or PilzAdam
13:04 BorisGrishenko In fact, Jordach kept a copy
13:05 sfan5          well
13:05 sfan5          most topics are not deleted but moved to an invisible trash subforum
13:06 BorisGrishenko Is that only accessible to Mods?
13:08 sfan5          yes
13:08 PilzAdam       BorisGrishenko, wat
13:09 BorisGrishenko Look, when it comes to fanfics, I happen to be very "imaginative"
13:09 BorisGrishenko I blame Bearbar
13:09 PilzAdam       why do you blame me? ;-;
13:10 BorisGrishenko You seem to be the most active mods around. And I'm just poitin' yopu out as a suspect
13:10 BorisGrishenko BTW, can I post it back? I already finished the other 2 parts
13:11 PilzAdam       wat
13:12 BorisGrishenko When I posted it 5 mins was the time it was taken out.
13:12 BorisGrishenko I planned to be remembered as the forum memebr who made the most weirdest fanfic ever.
13:12 BorisGrishenko That is my goal. Then I'll go on to maps again.
13:12 PilzAdam       I am not a moderator
13:13 BorisGrishenko Oh, then I retract my last statement
13:20 iqualfragile   BorisGrishenko: wat? minetest fanfic?
13:27 BorisGrishenko An erotic kind
13:36 iqualfragile   why would you do that?
13:51 MinetestBot    GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix game pause in singleplayer e4d1970abf 2014-03-13T14:06:18+01:00 http://git.io/qGMHuQ
13:51 MinetestBot    GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix special characters in pause and message menu 03297acbf4 2014-03-13T14:00:10+01:00 http://git.io/ie-Kuw
14:37 Exio4          wtf
14:41 iqualfragile   Exio4: what wtf?
14:44 * sfan5        flips Exio4
14:47 Exio4          the "erotic fanfic"
14:48 sfan5          I don't get that either
16:06 * Jordach      is on 4K render attempt 3
16:06 * sfan5        gives Jordach a kitten
16:06 Jordach        meow ;3
16:12 specing        And thus Jordach became a kitten
16:13 sfan5          wrong
16:13 sfan5          I'm already kitten
16:15 Jordach        plz sthap wih da pingz
16:16 * sfan5        flips Jordach
16:16 Jordach        sfan5, i can't do shit when blender makes all the cores belong to it
16:17 * sfan5        imagines a kawaii blender hugging cpu cores
16:18 Exio4          Jordach: tf
16:18 Exio4          the system works "nicely" here
16:19 Exio4          it isn't light-fast but works without noticeable input lag
16:19 Jordach        Exio4, combine it with a slow Javascript in Firefox
16:19 Exio4          i also use firefox
16:19 Exio4          what was your cpu?
16:20 Jordach        AMD A10-6800K
16:21 Exio4          hm
16:24 webshinra      (the cpu should not cause lag with a correct scheduler)
16:25 sfan5          diff(Exio4.pc, Jordach.pc) -> Linux vs. Windows
16:25 sfan5          here is the problem
16:26 webshinra      :p
16:27 Exio4          oh
16:27 Exio4          thought he was using linux... hmm
16:28 Exio4          anyway, my debian only "lags" when it is REALLY heavy loaded
16:28 Exio4          like
16:29 sfan5          Exio4: you mean like doing sqrt(-1)
16:31 Exio4          sqrt(-1) = i
16:31 Exio4          you don't need a computer for that
16:31 webshinra      hum nop
16:32 webshinra      sqrt is not defined one x < 0 :p
16:32 webshinra      e
16:32 webshinra      -e
16:34 Exio4          it is defined in the complex plane
16:34 Exio4          you never specified
16:34 Exio4          if you're using only natural numbers, you don't have the square root of 2, either
16:37 webshinra      in fact,  sqrt(-1) = i is a convention.
16:37 webshinra      sqrt(-x) should be written i×sqrt(x)
16:38 sfan5          Exio4: what is 'i'?
16:39 webshinra      the number like : i² = -1
16:49 * Jordach      wonders why audio drivers never have a preamp
16:50 iqualfragile   Exio4: realy heavy loaded like any io load at all
16:56 twoelk         Hi, does anybody know how to set general paths in minetest.conf to point to a folder outside of the minetest installation folders?
16:57 twoelk         something like "../../commonMinetestFiles/textures/"
16:58 sfan5          twoelk: try using the absolute patch
16:58 sfan5          path*
16:59 twoelk         nope
16:59 twoelk         not for textures or favoriteservers
17:00 Jordach        twoelk, windows users have to ..\..\commonMinetestFiles\textures\"
17:00 twoelk         actually the texturepath option seems to only point to a specific texture. It blanks the path if I point to a general folder
17:01 twoelk         ../../Screenshots/ is the only one that works
17:15 twoelk         "serverlist_file = ../client/serverlist/favoriteservers.txt" or "serverlist_file = ..\client\serverlist\favoriteservers.txt" that should point to the default file both don't work
17:23 harrison       what do you call a pacifist hindu butler?
17:23 harrison       mahatma coat
17:23 Jordach        racist fag
17:33 harrison       no ur
17:49 sfan5          !deop Jordach
17:49 rubenwardy     Hi all!
17:49 * sfan5        flips rubenwardy
17:50 * Jordach      flips sfan5
17:50 krupnovpavel   Who wants innovations in minetest?
17:50 * sfan5        gives Jordach a kitten
17:50 rubenwardy     ʎpɹɐʍuǝqnɹ
17:50 rubenwardy     ^ can anyone see that correctly?
17:50 * Jordach      can
17:50 VanessaE       your name upside down
17:50 VanessaE       krupnovpavel: everyone does
17:51 VanessaE       but, define "innovations"
17:51 sfan5          meow
17:51 sfan5          ✕
17:51 PenguinDad     your name rotated 180°
17:51 PenguinDad     hey sfan5
17:51 sfan5          蝁
17:52 rubenwardy     https://duckduckgo.com/?q=flip+rubenwardy
17:52 rubenwardy     ^ that is how I did it
17:53 krupnovpavel   I did a little bit of the new
17:54 PenguinDad     rubenwardy, ǝƃopʇsoɥƃ + pɐpuınƃuǝd
17:57 ShadowNinja    It works backward too!  :-)
18:00 sfan5          ♫　ほかのだにもきこなせない　♫
18:00 sfan5          ♫♫
18:06 Jordach        >finished rendering >finished colour control in GIMP >png weighs in at  8.23mb
18:06 Jordach        O_O
18:07 sfan5          meow meow meow meow meow meow
18:07 sfan5          meow
18:07 sfan5          meow meow
18:09 webshinra      Jordach: much random noise?
18:09 Jordach        webshinra, nope
18:15 rubenwardy     VanessaE: Innovation is using an invention in a buisness or project.
18:15 rubenwardy     according to the business definition
18:17 VanessaE       rubenwardy: sure, but in the Minetest works, "innovation" sometimes means "ideas imported from other sandbox games" e.g. Minecraft.
18:18 VanessaE       hence my request
18:18 * VanessaE     pokes krupnovpavel
18:19 VanessaE       s/works/world/
18:25 krupnovpavel   I will soon post on access my project :)
18:34 rubenwardy     sfan5: "Mite no other dress"?
18:38 * VanessaE     senses another "please code X for me" post coming.
18:39 VanessaE       (whatever, I haven't read the forums in several days)
18:42 rubenwardy     rubenwardy> VanessaE: is there an api listing for pipeworks? Or a file that contains all the functions?
18:42 rubenwardy     <rubenwardy> I want to recieve water from a pipe, and allow "steam" (a custom item) to flow through pipes.
18:42 rubenwardy     <Shadow_Ninja> rubenwardy: No, and there may be a rewrite in progress...
18:42 rubenwardy     ^ conversation yesturday :P
18:42 Jordach        yesterday*
18:42 rubenwardy     no, the day before actually
18:42 VanessaE       there isn't any real listing of the API calls as far as I know.  nore wrote most of that so he'll know for sure
18:42 Jordach        two days ago*
18:43 VanessaE       the tube stuff is stable
18:43 VanessaE       it's the fluid pipes that are due for a rewrite
18:43 rubenwardy     VanessaE: the pipes don't really have a solid API, it is a tangled mess
18:43 VanessaE       rubenwardy: take a look at the new_flow_logic branch (or whatever the name was)
18:44 VanessaE       it's much cleaner than the current pipe code
18:44 VanessaE       as for the item transport, I won't touch that code, that's nore's domain
18:48 sfan5          rubenwardy: what did you use to try translating that?
18:49 ShadowNinja    We've been working on switching the forum to phpBB. xyz has a test forum set up at phpbb.minetest.net.  Are there any comments on this switch? If there are no serious issues we plan to switch to it soon.
18:51 keesj          I am using ubuntu and the ppa for minetest (installed minetestc55 0.4.9) combined with the wordedit mod (git checkout $ current)
18:51 keesj          is /reset supposed to clear the area?
18:51 sfan5          yes
18:52 VanessaE       //reset just turns off the markers
18:52 Jordach        keesj, //reset is the command
18:52 VanessaE       and turns off the coordinates
18:52 keesj          //reset theat is ? I managed to do a set region to some other stones using the gui but can't remove stuff
18:52 VanessaE       //set air
18:52 VanessaE       if you want to erase a region
18:52 keesj          Thanks!
18:52 sfan5          well hmm
18:52 sfan5          'clear' always depends on your definiton
18:53 VanessaE       so //p set (or //pos1 and //pos2) to extablish your box,   //set air  to erase its contents
18:53 VanessaE       establish*
18:53 VanessaE       //reset to turn the box off
18:54 keesj          the documentation in Chat Command.md states "Resets the region so that it is empty"
18:54 keesj          but indeed I did not see much happening
18:54 keesj          hence the question
18:54 VanessaE       yeah, that needs to be tweaked a little I guess
18:54 VanessaE       the "region" refers in this case to the selection itself, not its contents.
18:55 VanessaE       it should read "Removes the markers and the selection box, leaving its contents untouched."
18:56 keesj          //set air works
18:57 VanessaE       important note:
18:57 VanessaE       sometimes, doing a //set air will cause the area to get really dark.
18:57 VanessaE       even black
18:57 sfan5          keesj: just FYI in your IRC client // likely makes you say /
18:57 Jordach        VanessaE, remember that time when i did that worldedit and we got sunlight underground?
18:57 VanessaE       if that happens,   //replace air <any other block you know is nowhere nearby>   and then  //replace <that block> air     (say,   //replace air mese   followed immediately by  //replace mese air )
18:57 VanessaE       Jordach: yep
18:58 Jordach        VanessaE, my UC in Minetest has that too
18:58 sfan5          UC?
18:58 VanessaE       Jordach: an artifact of the tall ceiling probably
18:58 VanessaE       Underground City
18:58 sfan5          ah
18:59 keesj          VanessaE: I will try to remeber . I don't really night anything fancy (still using this for 3d printing)
19:00 VanessaE       keesj: oh ok.  well the light won't affect that, but if it happens it can make things hard to navigate
19:01 keesj          yes, I guess I will try to better undetstand how to do that once I have the problem. worldedit is alreay a huge improvement. Last time we (me and my kids) spent like a few hours placing 15000 blocks
19:01 keesj          (and of course first creating a flat surface)
19:02 keesj          I did not know about //time 12000 and //set time_someting  0
19:03 sfan5          it's /time and /set
19:03 sfan5          basically // for worldedit commands and / for other commands
19:03 sfan5          I chose that when making worldedit to make a clear distinction between commands
19:41 matibln        Hi
19:41 EvergreenTree  Hello
19:49 VanessaE       hi
19:52 harrison       memehopper
20:14 ShadowNinja    111 Users!  :-)
20:57 BlockMen       bye
21:01 artur99        hi
21:31 MinetestBot    GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Use fixed-width format specifiers in serializeStructToString 875f1327a4 2014-03-13T17:30:15-04:00 http://git.io/s5neBQ
21:32 ShadowNinja    iqualfragile: ^ That should fix your issue.
21:32 iqualfragile   yay
21:43 jsnmtth        Hi guys, can you reccomend a mod that adds mobs to the development version of minetest?  I'm looking for something that demonstrates the capabilities and performance over something that is "fun and exciting".
21:44 proller        lua mobs and performance in one string? ahahaha
21:47 jsnmtth        proller: Yeah,  I'm not the "Creative Mode" kind of player.
21:48 proller        all mobs is laggy, stupid, slow, unballanced
21:50 jsnmtth        proller: Yeah I know ... I'm interested in exploring solutions for that.
21:50 proller        make good c++ mobs core
21:50 proller        with lua api for defining mobs
21:50 jsnmtth        proller: Is anyone working on that?
21:51 proller        no
21:51 jsnmtth        proller: Does the core team have an idea of how that would it handled?
21:52 proller        nobody intrested
21:54 jsnmtth        Ok cool ...  I'm interested. I didn't want to duplicate work or step on someone's toes.
21:57 VanessaE       client-side lua :P
21:57 VanessaE       "stupid", "slow", and "unbalanced" wouldn't change by doing that, though
21:57 VanessaE       the REAL problem is laggy
21:58 VanessaE       er, being laggy.
21:58 VanessaE       that would change if you could implement some client-side mob code of some kind, but how?  what?  I have no idea.
21:58 VanessaE       you ask a dozen modders (who have experience making mobs) and you'll get 20 different lists of requirements.
21:58 jsnmtth        VanessaE: Is there an example of the stupid, slow, and laggy mobs I could play with?
21:59 VanessaE       jsnmtth: try MOBF but rig your machine so that your server instance is badly lagged
22:00 VanessaE       (by, say, sharply throttling the network connection to it, or building any kind of in-game machine that'll cause it to use a lot of CPU, e.g. some Technic or Mesecons construction)
22:00 VanessaE       you will find that mobs generally won't respond quickly to in-game events such as you approaching/walking away, punches/kill events, etc. when the lag gets bad enough
22:01 VanessaE       Simple Mobs will also experience this, to a lesser degree
22:01 jsnmtth        VanessaE: I suppose that gets more challengeing when one is trying to syncronize mob behavior in the multiplayer environment.
22:01 VanessaE       you will also find, in any case, that mobs will use a significant amount of network bandwidth, due to movement details being sent I guess
22:02 VanessaE       jsnmtth: indeed so, but if network or CPU lag on the server is bad enough (say, enough to cause a couple of seconds' delay in responses), even a single player is too much.
22:03 jsnmtth        VanessaE: That certainly is a challenge to overcome.
22:04 jsnmtth        If the server is too lagged out there is nothing to be done except handle it on the client.
22:05 VanessaE       yep
22:05 jsnmtth        perhaps buffer the communications and only require strict server/client communicaitons when it is absolutely necessary in a multiplayer situation, and then only in specific areas.
22:07 jsnmtth        Same thing for AI.
22:08 jsnmtth        Keep the complex AI in a small local area, operating on a small group of mobs, and possibly doing some of the AI calcs on them as a group.
22:10 jsnmtth        Thanks guys for taking the time to discuss this with me.   I really appreciate it.
22:14 VanessaE       well, good luck :)
22:15 paramat        anyone else getting itchy for a release? spring equinox is coming up, 0.4.9 was broken, i like the idea of (flexible) solstice/equinox releases
22:16 VanessaE       interesting idea
22:16 VanessaE       depends on what sapier has to say
22:16 iqualfragile   is it possible to make minetest listen on ipv6&4?
22:17 VanessaE       no clue :P
22:25 paramat        solstice/equinox releases line up conveniently with a xmas/new year release. if we go by a satisfying 2^n division of the year i would consider 4 per year as a minimum
22:26 * paramat      is a little bit pagan
22:27 sapier         http://animalsmod.comuf.com/downloads/Minetest-debug.apk Alpha version of upcoming minetest android port ... almost featurecomplete, only modstore support is missing
22:28 sapier         please test and write your opinion
22:32 * VanessaE     pokes sapier on paramat's behalf
22:32 sapier         for what reason? ;-)
22:33 VanessaE       [03-13 18:15] <paramat> anyone else getting itchy for a release? spring equinox is coming up, 0.4.9 was broken, i like the idea of (flexible) solstice/equinox releases
22:33 VanessaE       [03-13 18:25] <paramat> solstice/equinox releases line up conveniently with a xmas/new year release. if we go by a satisfying 2^n division of the year i would consider 4 per year as a minimum
22:33 VanessaE       you're kinda the hold-up on that, sapier :)
22:34 sapier         As Android port is now usable and you can point users to it on compatibility break I think a release isn't a problem
22:35 VanessaE       have we established if it'll work on Kindle?
22:37 VanessaE       (people kept asking me about that)
22:37 sapier         I don't know if you did that I wont by one to test it ;-) and I already had to deny a request to do macos porting without having macos some days ago. I'm sorry for this but without test environment porting is waste of time
22:37 VanessaE       well idk about iOS builds, but Kindle I guess is Android...
22:38 VanessaE       but I'm unclear just how "standard" the device is.
22:38 VanessaE       (or how to sideload apps into it)
22:38 sapier         kindle is even more castrated android is, I don't expect it to work without issues
22:40 jsnmtth        sapier: Are there docs for getting it running on Android?
22:41 jsnmtth        sapier: nm ... I see your link, and need more sleep.
22:42 sapier         docs? ;-) jsnmtth it's a full port, the latest code isn't uploaded yet ... hope to get it online this weekend. The link is bleeding edge. I usually release early and often to get to a "stable" state more quick ... at least that's what I hope ;-)
22:43 jsnmtth        I'll play with it on my phone and report issues.
22:43 sapier         ok, don't expect it to be complete ;-) menu still lacks some features. But report everything you find so it wont be forgotten
22:44 jsnmtth        ok, is there a git repository or branch for it?
22:45 sapier         it's in my fork by now android_1 branch but as I said it's not latest, what's uploaded there still lacks sound support
22:45 sapier         and curl build is messed up (always comiles curl even if it's not required to rebuild)
22:47 jsnmtth        It immediately crashed "Motorola Photon 4G, android 2.2.3".  My device has decided not to connect via USB to a PC anymore so I can't get the log messages.  I'll try on another device this weekend, where do you want issues reported to?
22:47 sapier         2.2.3?
22:48 jsnmtth        yes
22:48 sapier         are you sure this device is even capable of running 3d apps? ;-)
22:48 jsnmtth        no , 2.3.5
22:48 jsnmtth        yes it has a Tegra 2 in it and 1GB of ram.
22:48 jsnmtth        DDR2
22:48 sapier         ok that should be enough
22:49 sapier         the logs would be interesting ;-)
22:49 sapier         can you get them by some app?
22:49 jsnmtth        I bet I could write one.
22:49 sapier         logcat for example? didn't work on my device but may be worth a try
22:50 sapier         tegra is armv7 too isn't it?
22:50 jsnmtth        My device will not recodnise a USB device plugged into a PC.  It stopped all my android development and caused problems for me tethering on the road.
22:50 jsnmtth        I have a faster device that has no speaker at home.
22:50 jsnmtth        I'll test on that.
22:51 jsnmtth        ARM Cortex-A9
22:52 sapier         ok I see no hardware reason why this shouldn't work ... ok 2.3 is quite outdated but as we're using ogles1 only this shouldn't be a problem too
22:52 sapier         as I said the logs would be interesting
22:52 jsnmtth        I'll write an app that emails me log entries this weekend, then I'll get you the specific issues.
22:53 jsnmtth        well ... provided the androd API will let me access log entries from an app.
22:53 sapier         thanks :-)
22:54 sapier         well there's a Minetest folder in /sdcard
22:54 sapier         there's a log too but as it crashes that early I assume there's not much information in it
22:55 sapier         if there isn't a Minetest folder we know it crashes prior preparing it's media
22:56 PilzAdam       wat https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=132984#p132984
22:56 sapier         what's this?
22:57 sapier         inventory editor for whatß
22:59 jsnmtth        There is a minetest folder with a debug.txt file in it.
23:01 sapier         minetest or Minetest?
23:01 jsnmtth        Minetest
23:12 jsnmtth        sapier: http://pastebin.com/MJEwUBSS
23:14 sapier         I'll have a look at it tomorrow thanks
23:15 jsnmtth        Has anyone built a server instance that runs on a raspberry pi?  I'm sure I could lag the hell out of it on there.
23:16 sapier         there's even a raspberry pi server in serverlist ;-)
23:17 jsnmtth        :-D
23:30 Exio4          *yawn*
23:58 Beryl          Is there a way to get the server list in something like JSON or XML?