Time  Nick            Message
00:30 PilzAdam        bye
00:37 ShadowNinja     sfan5_: ShadowBot has recorded 690 distinct nicks, counting only those that send a message.  How many has MTBot recorded?
00:38 ShadowNinja     (Counting those with the same nick on different networks as the same)
00:41 JesseH2         I sorta feel like playing some mt :P
01:11 fireglow        is there a mod that'll disable the wearing down of tools?
01:11 eraldev         Hi
01:12 fireglow        hi
01:20 ShadowNinja     fireglow: You could make one, or use infinitytools, or just use creative.
01:51 Gatharoth       Ello all
03:05 hoodedice       What is the syntax for 'if, then, else...' in lua?
03:06 hoodedice       I'm using lua to write simple pseudo-code for another language
03:06 hoodedice       I need the contraction thingy in Notepad++ to work properly, but it just contracts all of the nested if statements
03:09 hoodedice       I just need to be able to seperate nested schist from the parent schist
03:13 JesseH          ShadowNinja, Sup
03:13 hoodedice       Hello.
03:13 hoodedice       Oh, not me?
03:14 hoodedice       Oh, ok...
03:14 * hoodedice     ducks
03:15 hoodedice       I think I'll write a tutorial for modding in minetest from a non-programmer perspective
03:19 ShadowNinja     Hey, JesseH!
03:21 ShadowNinja     hoodedice: The syntax is "if <condition> then <commands> elseif <condition2> then <commands2> else <commands3> end"
03:23 hoodedice       Thanks ShadowNinja
03:23 JesseH          ShadowNinja, you gotta server up?
03:24 ShadowNinja     YW.
03:24 ShadowNinja     JesseH: Yep.
03:24 JesseH          Wanna play? ;D
03:25 ShadowNinja     JesseH: Not now.  Perhaps on a different day.
03:26 JesseH          Okay
03:51 cg72            ?
04:59 hoodedice       W00000T
05:00 hoodedice       ShadowNinja: Thanks again, man - finished assignment one minute short of deadline
05:01 ShadowNinja     hoodedice: NP, glad you made it.  :-)
05:01 hoodedice       That moment when you've coded so hard, you use Tabs in browser to indent XD
05:29 ShadowNinja     I often try tabs, but few sites work properly with them.
05:29 ShadowNinja     (gist does, ubuntu pastebin doesn't)
05:32 ShadowNinja     Lua feels so easy after messing with C(++) and getting tons of inexplicable segfaults.  :-)
05:33 ShadowNinja     But you don't get the feeling of finally fixing everything and getting valgrind to run with no warnings.  :-|
06:24 sfan5           lol
07:06 eraldev         /help
07:06 kahrl           Unable to find help file or language DLL for language specified.
08:25 reactor         Hello everyrobot.
08:26 Adarqet-Doge    Robot?
08:26 eraldev         Hi
08:27 Adarqet-Doge    Hello!
08:27 eraldev         Rooobot
08:28 Adarqet-Doge    Robot?
08:28 eraldev         You seat in irc via mobile?
08:28 Adarqet-Doge    What eraldev?
08:29 reactor         eraldev: Google Translate eh?
08:29 * Adarqet-Doge  is confused
08:30 * eraldev       123
08:30 reactor         щщщ.
08:30 eraldev         //me d
11:16 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
11:16 reactor         'elo
11:37 iqualfragile    hi PilzAdam
12:17 * Jordach       just realised what he just did with KDE
12:19 Megaf           Good MorningAfternoonEvening everyone
12:20 reactor         Good [SUBJECT'S TIME OF THE DAY HERE]
12:22 Adarqet-Phone   Hello!
12:23 Jordach         hey Adarqet-Phone
12:24 Adarqet-Phone   Hello!
12:28 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/WZUgdey.png
12:28 Jordach         :>
12:29 Megaf           Ok
12:41 Jordach         dafuq
12:41 Jordach         xrender works with all the KDE eye candy
12:41 Jordach         yet OGL doesn't
12:42 reactor         Too much eye candy causes eye cancer.
12:42 Jordach         plol
12:46 Jordach         quassel's style sheet didn't wanna update...
12:47 Jordach         yellow links look like shit on a white BG
12:49 fireglow        Is there a way to init a new mod without restarting the server?
12:50 reactor         init 1
12:50 PilzAdam        fireglow, no
12:50 reactor         Oops, wrong window.
12:51 Jordach         PilzAdam, Y U no use Quassel?
12:52 PilzAdam        is the time to set it up worth it?
12:53 Jordach         yes
12:53 Jordach         sudo apt-get install quassel
12:53 Jordach         as it's bundled with kubuntu....
12:55 Megaf           man, NTFS is really good
12:55 Megaf           pretty damn good
12:55 Megaf           in getting totally fragmented
12:56 Jordach         no shit
12:56 PilzAdam        Jordach, that command is not enough to set it up
12:56 Jordach         eh
12:56 * Megaf         is using WeeChat (ncurses)
12:56 reactor         Megaf: y u no use UFS?
12:57 Jordach         it worked for me
12:57 Megaf           reactor: It's Windows XP here, I'm at my workplace
12:57 Jordach         >XP >2014
12:57 PilzAdam        I need to at least add 1) automatic channel / network joins 2) sasl 3) GUI
12:57 Megaf           It's some kind of travel back in time
12:57 PilzAdam        s/add/configure/
12:57 Jordach         PilzAdam, it supports the lot
12:57 Megaf           Pentium 4 CPUs, 2 GB of Ram and Windows XP
12:57 Megaf           nostalgia
12:58 PilzAdam        Jordach, it would take at least an hour to do all that
12:58 reactor         BSD or Linux would run well on that.
12:58 PilzAdam        Jordach, what functions does it support that xchat doesnt?
12:59 Jordach         PilzAdam, hover over a link to see the contents, infinite scrollback, support for any KDE theme, can't be buffer overflowed like xchat
13:03 Megaf           PilzAdam: XChat = Modern, Quassel = Contemprany (I dont know how to spell that)
13:03 reactor         And both are shit.
13:04 Jordach         shuddup i'mpissi
13:05 PilzAdam        Jordach, I dont need any of these functions
13:05 PilzAdam        or at least, they are not worth the setup time
13:13 sfan5           meow
13:13 sfan5           hi everyone
13:13 reactor         *sneeze*
13:13 reactor         'elo.
13:14 PenguinDad      hi sfan5
13:16 * sfan5         gives Jordach a kitten
13:37 * Adarqet-Doge  devotes his life to peanut butter
13:38 Jordach         hah
13:38 reactor         Kitten smuggling.
13:40 * sfan5         puts a kitten on reactor's head
13:42 * reactor       puts a reactor on the kitten's head
13:43 reactor         Wait, I have a better idea.
13:43 * reactor       puts a sfan5 on kitten's head
13:43 reactor         Okay?
13:43 sfan5           mhm
13:53 Jordach         whiskers75, thx for the bot pass
15:00 Jordach         lol
15:00 Jordach         i've gone too far
15:00 Jordach         if i can apply the instagram effect on a render, we're all screwed
15:26 NekoGloop       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3dXNi6KP64
15:33 Jordach         shit
15:33 Jordach         just made the instagram effect without realising it
15:36 STHGOM          good for you
15:36 STHGOM          ...what is the instigram effect?
15:37 PenguinDad      over saturated colours and slightly darker
15:39 reactor         Why so?
15:46 Gatharoth       Ello all
15:49 Jordach         reactor, i played with blender's compositing nodes
15:50 reactor         No, I mean, why does instagram effect do that?
15:50 Jordach         because Polaroid camera from the 80s were always over saturated
15:50 Jordach         simply because they printed the image directly
16:03 Sokomine        has anyone ever used zlib decompression/deflate with lua? is there a preferrable/recommended lib for that?
16:33 PilzAdam        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=130698#p130698
16:33 PilzAdam        > VanessaE doesnt know how to use bbcode
16:33 VanessaE        no, I just don't care.
16:33 VanessaE        > > > is less typing than [quote][/quote] [quote][/quote] [quote][/quote]
16:34 PilzAdam        inb4 quick quote
16:34 VanessaE        inb4 less deleting.
16:34 PilzAdam        deleting?
16:34 VanessaE        Like I said, I just didn't care.
16:38 Sokomine        oh yes. the good old >. i like that
16:39 Sokomine        i'd also love a forum to news gateway. forums and browsers are not as comftable as the good old usenet used to be
16:40 reactor         Sokomine++;
16:40 reactor         Mailing lists are a more UNIX-user-friendly way.
16:41 Sokomine        can we get the forum as a mailing list? :)
16:42 reactor         There must be kind-of-gateways. I've seen mailing list archives being accesssible as forums.
16:51 Sokomine        except that we need the other way around...
16:52 Jordach         ello paramat
16:53 paramat         o/
17:02 paramat         http://i.imgur.com/1ZxN3Xc.png noise23 mod, mapgen framework / example using the lua voxel manipulator with 2D and 3D noises https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8628
17:03 Saxony          Anyone know when celeron was last on?
17:04 Jordach         Saxony, ah
17:04 Jordach         he doesn't idle here
17:04 Saxony          dev channel?
17:04 Jordach         don't even bother with -dev as webchat clients are silenced
17:04 Saxony          i can bust out my actual client
17:05 Jordach         if it's forum related, ask me
17:05 Saxony          just wanted a quick chat to see if i could get his skype/email
17:05 Saxony          nah
17:05 Saxony          Wanted to see if he wanted to buy Minetest.com & wiki
17:05 Jordach         we've already got clones of that palce now
17:05 Saxony          Yeah
17:05 Saxony          I know
17:06 Saxony          I have no problem keeping it, it's making me money for nothing. Just wanted to see if he'd make me an offer considering I'm still #1 on google for many Minetest searches
17:07 Jordach         Saxony, donate it - that's an easier method
17:07 Saxony          Why donate?
17:07 Jordach         donations go straight to him
17:08 Exio4           do you want to charge for a domain... for an opensource project?
17:08 Saxony          If he won't buy it I'll either just leave it and keep the money from ads or sell it to someone else who will promote it further. There is still plenty money to be made there
17:09 Jordach         Saxony, i pm'd you his paypal address
17:09 Saxony          Why give something away that is making me money for no effort? :P
17:09 Saxony          thanks
18:10 rubenwardy      Hi all!
18:10 VanessaE        hi
18:17 Leoneof         hi
18:17 Leoneof         why i'm here?
18:18 Exio4           why not
18:27 VanessaE        here is as good a place to be as anywhere else
18:34 Exio4           nah, i would say better
19:07 _Zeus           I was going to ask you people why minetest was better then any other game, but it's apparently crap. The chunk loading was slow when I actually tried to join a server, the gameplay isnt great, and then there's this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4039
19:07 _Zeus           Plus the mod API is LUA
19:09 VanessaE        crap?
19:10 VanessaE        ok first thing's first:
19:10 VanessaE        forget the ragequitters.
19:10 VanessaE        they're just asses.
19:10 VanessaE        every game out there has them.
19:12 VanessaE        second, we have LuaJIT, which compiles the Lua code.
19:12 VanessaE        the result is about as fast as the native C++ engine for a lot of stuff.  where it is slow usually comes down to poor coding skills or the API itself lacking some speed-critical function that can't be done well in Lua.
19:12 _Zeus           That doesnt make LUA not suck.
19:13 _Zeus           Im not talking about speed.
19:13 VanessaE        if a server is slow at loading chunks, it's because that server is on a slow network.
19:13 _Zeus           LUA just I do not like
19:13 VanessaE        so?
19:13 Jordach         compare that to other libs where you need compiled libs for File I/O, time, network management
19:13 VanessaE        you're not the one running the code :)
19:13 VanessaE        the server runs the code, not the client
19:13 pitriss         _Zeus: Api is sufficient to do most needed things with game..
19:13 VanessaE        so it doesn't matter, from the client's perspective, if the server runs Lua, Ruby, C++, Python, or BASIC for that matter.
19:14 VanessaE        If the gameplay isn't great, try another server - each server has its own style.
19:14 VanessaE        each server has their own game, their own set of mods, etc.
19:15 VanessaE        I run 6 of them, myself.
19:15 * whiskers75    hugs VanessaE
19:16 VanessaE        one has Realtest, one Nostalgia, two are extremely heavily modded minetest_game (what I call "my" game really at this point), one is nearly pure vanilla minetest_game, and one is an experimental thing that's not so much a game as a mapgen testing ground that morphed into a worl that people started building on.
19:16 pitriss         VanessaE: We appreciate your efforts;)
19:16 VanessaE        thanks pitriss :)
19:16 VanessaE        but my point is that each server is utterly different.
19:17 VanessaE        Realtest is about as ridiculously different from "minetest" as you can get, really
19:17 pitriss         VanessaE: BTW realtest is great idea but it have some flaws.. Too many unused ores for example.. :)
19:17 VanessaE        Nostalgia is a more-or-less accurate recreation of what 0.3.x was like before darkrose picked it up and kept that branch going (she's done wonderful things with it)
19:18 VanessaE        my game expands on minetest_game by adding pretty much everything under the sun that someone should ever want to build with on a normal basis, machines, electronics, food, etc.  you name it, it's probably there.
19:19 VanessaE        "almost" vanilla is for folks who want a simple game.
19:20 VanessaE        none of them have PVP or fire enabled, things like a nether mod, for example, because I see no use of that, nor of things like "aether" or any kind of "the end" type of mod, etc.
19:20 PenguinDad      or for people with slow internet connections like me
19:20 VanessaE        pitriss: yeah I know.  I think sda97 and DanD had intended to continue expanding the game past "black iron" and into a more modern age
19:21 pitriss         VanessaE: and I bet RealTest rewamped will have way more players (even at current WIP state) with better documentation..
19:22 VanessaE        pitriss: indeed so
19:22 VanessaE        but I don't perceive of that documentation happening any time soon
19:22 rubenwardy      ha
19:22 VanessaE        DanD left rather loudly.  He has since sorta come back, but I don't see him getting much into this anynore.
19:22 VanessaE        anymore*
19:23 VanessaE        _Zeus: any more questions? :P
19:23 _Zeus           Eh, well, I might actually stick around. See if somebody makes a non LUA implementation of the modding API. I really dont play games anymore, I just find ones and code on them.
19:23 rubenwardy      Lua's syntax is quite bad. I prefer JS.
19:23 _Zeus           I'd make one but it sounds painful currently.
19:23 _Zeus           Unless I wanted to make a game wrapper.
19:24 pitriss         VanessaE: we building czech one.. currently it is bunch of notes linked together.. If it grows into usable state, we maybe translate it to EN and put on wikia or some similar wiki provider:)
19:25 VanessaE        _Zeus: I don't expect there will be a non-Lua API, however it is possible to code add-ons in C++ or so.  See the IRC mod for example
19:25 _Zeus           It still seems painful.
19:25 _Zeus           There is no way I am coding in LUA
19:25 _Zeus           And as I said I only really "play" to make mods/plugins depending apon the game
19:25 VanessaE        just don't suggest javascript
19:25 VanessaE        NO one and I mean NO ONE will accept that :)
19:26 Calinou         lua syntax is quite cool
19:26 _Zeus           I'd prefer a windows batch ping system to LUA xP
19:26 VanessaE        do a google search for "lamefun" and "javascript" and you should find some results that explain why I say that :)
19:26 PenguinDad      and i think ruby won't be accepted either :P
19:26 _Zeus           no, not javascript
19:26 Calinou         praise javascript!
19:26 _Zeus           Lol penguin.
19:27 Calinou         the language will not be changed anyway
19:27 _Zeus           YES RUBY DO RUBY YES YES
19:27 VanessaE        Calinou: byte your tongue :P
19:27 Calinou         "(she's done wonderful things with it)" the power of the reactionary
19:27 _Zeus           Personally, I think plain old C, C++, or C# would do nicely.
19:27 Calinou         _Zeus, you sound like Berlusconi when saying that :P
19:27 Calinou         C#: no thanks
19:28 Calinou         C++/C: you can use them under some circumstances, but do so only when needed
19:28 rubenwardy      Ruby is worse than lua
19:28 VanessaE        C or C++ would possibly be accepted, maybe.
19:28 VanessaE        but C# or batch will never be.
19:28 _Zeus           C# DOES have it's issues
19:28 rubenwardy      (minus the whole 1 index thing)
19:28 VanessaE        whatever it is has to be cross-platform.
19:28 _Zeus           I was kidding about batch >.>
19:28 _Zeus           And C# wouldnt really work
19:28 VanessaE        ok :)
19:28 _Zeus           I knew that already
19:28 _Zeus           C and C++ are painful
19:28 Calinou         Java is way better at crossplatform
19:28 Calinou         so use Lua
19:28 VanessaE        _Zeus: well you never know
19:28 rubenwardy      I vote Javascript!
19:28 Calinou         it doesn't hurt to learn a new language
19:28 Calinou         you won't forget your previous languages
19:28 VanessaE        we've had some incredibly insane-sounding suggestions here!
19:29 _Zeus           And java isnt really the best, and would be impossible to implement anyway
19:29 rubenwardy      How about brainfuck?
19:29 rubenwardy      !g brainfuck
19:29 MinetestBot     rubenwardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
19:29 _Zeus           I tried implementing java from other languages. It's impossible.
19:29 VanessaE        rubenwardy: and I vote you go suck an egg :)
19:29 * rubenwardy    puts a kitten on VanessaE's head
19:29 * VanessaE      puts the kitten in OldCoder's pile
19:30 _Zeus           Hmm, brainfuck looks good
19:30 _Zeus           Easier then implementing java by a long shot
19:30 VanessaE        haha
19:30 PenguinDad      the syntax isn't complex but ...
19:30 VanessaE        didn't someone write a brainfuck interpreter as a mod somewhere?
19:31 _Zeus           Let's make it read assembly.
19:31 _Zeus           Comparison of C and assembly:
19:31 VanessaE        there's already a z80 interpreter somewhere too I think
19:31 VanessaE        and I know there's one that does FORTH also
19:31 * VanessaE      pokes RealBadAngel
19:31 VanessaE        link please?
19:32 rubenwardy      lol
19:32 VanessaE        there, now the bot will ignore me.
19:32 _Zeus           C has the great speed of assembly and the simplicity to use of assembly too!
19:32 rubenwardy      LOL
19:32 rubenwardy      2LOL!
19:32 rubenwardy      4LOL!
19:32 PenguinDad      VanessaE: you got pwned by ShadowBot xD
19:32 VanessaE        RealBadAngel: you got a link to that FORTH computer you did?  and didn't it do Z80 assembly also?
19:33 Jordach         VanessaE, nore made the FORTH machuine
19:33 VanessaE        ah right
19:33 VanessaE        why can't I remember this shit?
19:33 OldCoder        Hi
19:33 _Zeus           Guys, pick a random number between 1 and 300
19:33 Calinou         C is slower than assembly, usually
19:33 Calinou         _Zeus, 299
19:33 * Jordach       jams some more C64 RAM into VanessaE
19:33 Calinou         alternative: open a Cube-based game, type /echo (rnd 300)
19:33 OldCoder        _Zeus, Malborge is interesting
19:33 _Zeus           Okay, now time to find the 299th language on this list... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages
19:33 Jordach         ~1d300
19:34 * rubenwardy    defenestrates test
19:34 Jordach         ~dice 1d300
19:34 * rubenwardy    defenestrates test's cat
19:34 * rubenwardy    defenestrates test
19:34 _Zeus           Well
19:34 * OldCoder      will return in an hour
19:34 ShadowBot       Jordach: Error: Dice can't have more than 100 sides.
19:34 _Zeus           second to last
19:34 rubenwardy      lol
19:34 _Zeus           that was an estimate
19:34 _Zeus           so.
19:34 Jordach         bull can dice not have more than 300 sides
19:34 _Zeus           WE MUST IMPLEMENT ZOPL
19:34 _Zeus           ... whatever that is.
19:34 * rubenwardy    defenestrates test
19:34 * rubenwardy    defenestrates test's cat
19:34 rubenwardy      4Yay!
19:35 _Zeus           Zopl: Same speed as C, same complexity as C, and even LESS tutorials!
19:35 MinetestBot     4E4w4w7,7 7J8a8v8a3S3c3r12i12p12t6.6.6.
19:35 * rubenwardy    defenestrates MinetestBot
19:35 rubenwardy      JS > Lua
19:36 VanessaE        at any rate...
19:36 MinetestBot     I'm calling bullshit on that one/
19:36 _Zeus           Okay, screw it. There are NO GOOD LANGUAGES.
19:36 _Zeus           MAKE OUR OWN
19:36 _Zeus           *codes for 3 years*
19:36 khonkhortisan   conlanger ^
19:36 _Zeus           Oh shit... thats LUA...
19:36 ShadowNinja     _Zeus: A C(++) or Python API might be acceptable.  But Lua works quite well.
19:37 ShadowNinja     Someone'll have to maintain it though.
19:38 Jordach         then who's going to compile C++ on windows...
19:38 rubenwardy      I can now right click a user's name in HexChat, and defenestrate them from the context menu.
19:38 * khonkhortisan deops VE
19:39 Jordach         there are only a few people here who have chanserv access
19:39 _Zeus           Side note: Everybody must read this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/234075/what-is-your-best-programmer-joke
19:39 VanessaE        there. :P
19:40 Jordach         dammit
19:40 * khonkhortisan voices... meh, joke already landed
19:41 Jordach         http://stackoverflow.com/a/234138
19:41 ShadowNinja     Jordach: There are at least seven here.
19:41 _Zeus           [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo *Click* <--- Paste into command prompt and see what happens
19:41 whiskers75      lol
19:41 whiskers75      do not
19:42 rubenwardy      "Saying that Java is nice because it works on every OS is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on every gender."   :O
19:42 khonkhortisan   _Zeus, type into bash :(){:|:&};:
19:43 VanessaE        interesting take on russian roulette, zeus...
19:43 _Zeus           "If the box says, "This software requires Windows XP or better," does that mean it'll run on linux?"
19:44 khonkhortisan   HAHAHA
19:44 khonkhortisan   [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && echo "Bang you're dead" || echo *Click*
19:44 khonkhortisan   Bang you're dead
19:44 khonkhortisan   I'm so glad I didn't run the original command
19:45 khonkhortisan   XP is old enough to be supported pretty well in wine
19:46 PenguinDad      khonkhortisan: "bash: Syntaxfehler beim unerwarteten Wort `{:'"
19:47 _Zeus           http://stackoverflow.com/a/958411/3029520
19:48 khonkhortisan   That's supposed to be a fork bomb, requiring a ulimit to prevent.
19:49 Garmine         ohai!
19:49 _Zeus           http://stackoverflow.com/a/537740/3029520
19:51 PenguinDad      khonkhortisan: i know that
19:51 _Zeus           "It's been said that if you play a windows CD backwards, you'll hear satanic chanting...worse still if you play it forwards, it installs windows."
19:52 _Zeus           This is the one I brought that up looking for: http://i.imgur.com/hF6mS.jpg
19:53 khonkhortisan   I like the train one
19:58 _Zeus           Actually though....
19:58 _Zeus           Ruby looks like a good language to implement
19:58 _Zeus           I havent messed with it much but its clearly much simpler then the other languages
20:02 domtron         https://wiki.theory.org/YourLanguageSucks
20:02 domtron         !title
20:02 MinetestBot     domtron: YourLanguageSucks - Theory.org Wiki
20:03 pitriss         _Zeus: I don't agree.. maintaining two versions of API will be much more difficult than maintainung only already existing LUA one. And I'm not LUA fan. I like ruby but I don't want to harm this project and waste time of core devs.
20:04 _Zeus           You really thought I typed that with a streight face?
20:12 domtron         I think Lua is good for modding because of it's simplicity and speed (even if it's syntax is bad). Anyway, since everyone complains about the syntax could we build a simple syntax wrapper ontop of LuaJIT to fix that? Or we could use Lisp... :P
20:13 domtron         meh, I'm to slow. I have school work to do anyway >.>
20:14 pitriss         Syntax is good.. I hate nonstandard things on lua.. they reinvented wheel many times..
20:15 pitriss         why the hell they used ~= instead more standard !=, why they doesn't used some existing implementation of regexes instead their patterns?
20:16 pitriss         and indexing from 1 is just last nail to coffin.:)
20:17 domtron         but since arrays are just tables with numeric keys you can use 0 as the first item right?
20:18 VanessaE        yes.
20:18 pitriss         But those lua patterns.. somebody should kill author for that.. why the heck i need learn the same thing as PCRE (which i know really good) just for one stupid language
20:18 VanessaE        they just default to index-from-1 is all, I believe,
20:18 pitriss         yes but default is 1
20:18 VanessaE        now, the != versus ~= was just plain stupid :)
20:18 VanessaE        that one drives me nuts.
20:18 pitriss         VanessaE: ruby uses =~ for regex matching
20:19 VanessaE        well ruby is stupid too :)
20:20 pitriss         ruby is good =~/regex/ in if is cool.:)
20:26 JesseH          Use lisp over Lua?
20:26 JesseH          Man, that is a smart idea.
20:27 JesseH          Yeah, let's replace Lua in minetest with scheme.
20:27 Jordach         BASH!
20:27 JesseH          domtron, I'm going to refrain from expressing how angry your statement made me, and instead focus on your lisp idea.
20:28 JesseH          It would be interesting to write a lisp-to-lua compiler in Lua. Probably would be a fun project and I'm down to help with that.
20:29 JesseH          In general, shitty lua programmers are going to write shitty looking lua code...
20:29 JesseH          Not always the case, but more often than not.
20:29 JesseH          Other than that I don't see the issue. :D
20:29 Jordach         bullshit
20:30 JesseH          Get over ~= vs != it's one character length.
20:30 JesseH          Get over 1 indexing.
20:30 JesseH          I agree on the patterns, sorta
20:30 JesseH          Jordach, bullshit to which statement, friend? :D
20:31 JesseH          You can do a = {}; a[0] = 1;
20:31 JesseH          You can keep your shitty zero.
20:31 Jordach         JesseH, https://gist.github.com/Jordach/88390540522eb1812f59
20:32 JesseH          Point?
20:32 JesseH          That's 200 lines of globals
20:32 domtron         JesseH: but I am slow and I do have school work... why would either of those make you mad. :P
20:32 JesseH          ;P
20:33 JesseH          domtron, I'm sorry, just being pissy. You didn't make me mad. :P
20:33 JesseH          I  wan't to debate dammit
20:35 domtron         >.>
20:35 domtron         <.<
20:35 domtron         http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/breakthroughs/synthetic-muscle-made-of-fishing-line-is-100-times-stronger-than-the-real-thing-16514805
20:35 domtron         !title
20:35 MinetestBot     domtron: Synthetic Muscle Made of Fishing Line is 100 Times Stronger Than the Real Thing - Popular Mechanics
20:35 JesseH          +1 for the look both ways thing
21:04 PilzAdam        D: sfan5 copied most stuff from me: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=130740#p130740
21:04 sfan5           lazyness FTW
21:04 PilzAdam        "Root stuff: sudo"
21:04 sfan5           that is kinda pointless
21:10 sfan5           john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/A6Pw3Cf.jpg
21:10 sfan5           http://i.imgur.com/vADB7Wn.jpg
21:11 * LazyJ         is away: I'm away
21:11 sfan5           LazyJ: please don't do this with automatic scripts
21:12 * sfan5         puts a kitten on john_minetest's head
21:12 Jordach         fuck YEAH
21:12 Jordach         ahhh
21:12 Jordach         >mouth ulcer >ice cream
21:12 * john_minetest puts a kitten on sfan5's head
21:15 sdzen           https://minetestmods.weebly.com/store/c1/Featured_Products.html
21:15 sdzen           anyone else hear of and/or slightly troubled by this?
21:16 sfan5           sdzen: lolwat, that is insame
21:16 sfan5           insane*
21:16 sdzen           I love the 100$ donate button
21:17 cisoun          Anyone knows about this guy ?
21:17 sdzen           https://plus.google.com/u/0/108734328540410391733/posts
21:17 sdzen           this is the guy that was advertising it on the G+ community
21:19 sfan5           do we even have an offical g+ community?
21:19 Jordach         KILL HIM
21:19 sdzen           unofficial
21:19 sdzen           I maintain it
21:19 sdzen           slightly
21:19 sfan5           >
21:19 sfan5           >Official Minetest Community
21:20 Jordach         sdzen, i was asked by the -staff to grant me access to the moderation facilities
21:20 Jordach         (you can thank ShadowNinja for that)
21:21 sdzen           I don't remember when it got changed
21:21 Jordach         oi, cisoun
21:21 sdzen           I used to keep a massive description on there that was too long to read :P
21:21 cisoun          Jordach: o/
21:21 cisoun          sdzen we have a G+ community
21:21 Jordach         cisoun, you're able to give others moderation access right?
21:21 cisoun          Yup.
21:22 Jordach         apparently i'm supposed to keep an eye on G+
21:22 cisoun          I'm still the owner of the page.
21:22 cisoun          And I won't refuse some help
21:22 sfan5           apparently i have a g+ profile and I do not at the same time .-/
21:23 cisoun          Jordach: would you like to be a moderator ?
21:23 cisoun          same goes to you sdzen.
21:23 Jordach         sure
21:23 sdzen           I suppose
21:23 Jordach         cisoun, i'm part of minetest-staff
21:23 Jordach         >Minetest staff (operators, administrators, moderators, developers) | This channel is invite-only. (staff are exempt)
21:23 sfan5           sdzen: link to official minetest page please
21:24 cisoun          'k give me a sec.
21:24 cisoun          Check your notifications.
21:25 cisoun          sfan5: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116830764303517937720
21:26 cisoun          mmh wait
21:26 cisoun          wrong link
21:26 cisoun          https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116830764303517937720/116830764303517937720
21:27 * Jordach       has a Mac OS X styled panel
21:34 Jordach         lol
21:45 LazyJ           sfan5, sorry I missed it.  What am I not supposed to use automatic scripts for?
21:46 PilzAdam        LazyJ, away messages
21:46 LazyJ           Hmm.. That is a setting in Xchat.
21:46 PilzAdam        its an evil setting
21:46 LazyJ           Ah
21:47 LazyJ           It seemed like a courtesy, especially when folks are checking to see why I stopped responding to them.
21:49 PilzAdam        evil things are good in tricking you into thinking that they are good
21:50 LazyJ           "What we hold to be true depends greatly upon our point of view."
22:04 sfan5           wut
22:04 sfan5           a tablet for 61 €
22:04 sfan5           http://www.reichelt.de/Tablets/XORO-PAD-721/3//index.html?ACTION=3&ARTICLE=142079
22:06 Sokomine        that's available even for a lower price here
22:07 Gatharoth       sfan5: Ello! Long time :3
22:07 Jordach         sfan5, my tablet has the identical body
22:08 sfan5           hm
22:08 sfan5           a tablet for testing minetest wouldn't be bad
22:09 Sokomine        it's tempting yes
22:09 specing         dont you have a phone?
22:09 specing         please don't but ARM shit
22:09 specing         you'll regret it
22:09 specing         *tablets
22:09 Sokomine        although on my phone, mt does consume quite a lot of ram. guess more ram would be better
22:09 sfan5           specing: I have a phone
22:09 sfan5           but it's display is small
22:09 sfan5           uHD resolution
22:10 specing         rather buy an x86 convertible with a touchscreen
22:10 specing         preferably with an active digitizer
22:11 sfan5           well
22:11 sfan5           I need to test Minetest (for ARM phones)
22:20 Jordach         Evergreen fucked his desktop up
22:22 Jordach         it's alive!
22:24 * sfan5         taps Jordach
22:24 Jordach         you should be tapping EvergreenTree, not me
22:25 * sfan5         taps EvergreenTree
22:33 Sokomine        they don't seem to react. perhaps a diamond pick/axe will help :)
23:12 Jordach         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=130756#p130756
23:14 VanessaE        and you gave it away... :P
23:26 EvergreenTree   A package I installed broke something, and I had to go into the grub menu and recover
23:26 EvergreenTree   It had something to do with drivers
23:27 VanessaE        ouch
23:28 EvergreenTree   I'm afraid to restart my computer because it might happen again
23:28 EvergreenTree   I hate drivers
23:28 EvergreenTree   :P
23:31 drivers         I hate passengers
23:37 VanessaE        that's unusual
23:38 VanessaE        normally drivers aren't affected by random packages except in the case of stuff like virtualbox
23:38 sdzen           wooo virtualbox
23:38 sdzen           that thing that never works for me
23:39 ShadowNinja     sdzen: Can you give full control over the community to the staff collectively?
23:42 sdzen           http://i7.minus.com/iAkAKQIIzTvex.png
23:42 sdzen           I assume the minetest G+ page is controlled by the staff?
23:42 ShadowNinja     Yep, good.  :-)
23:43 sdzen           its been a moderator since I made it
23:43 sdzen           but do what you like there tiger
23:43 sdzen           :D