Time  Nick            Message
00:19 Jace2           im Jace
00:20 Jace2           this is Jace
03:39 hoodedice       sfan5!
04:53 hoodedice       Is there a way to increase biome limits?
04:53 hoodedice       ie, make em bigger?
05:02 hoodedice       !seen paramat
05:02 MinetestBot     hoodedice: paramat was last seen at 2014-02-16 05:03:12 UTC on #minetest
05:19 hmmmm           :(
05:19 hmmmm           foo
05:19 hmmmm           I can't seem to get the temperature-decay-with-elevation biome thing working right
05:21 hmmmm           what if instead, temperature/humidity selects a biome group which is just the same biome except split up into height segments
05:22 hmmmm           so you don't define a biome, you define a biome set
05:22 hmmmm           each biome set consists of one or more biomes which have common temperature and humidity points, but have different characteristics based on elevation
05:22 hmmmm           maybe this is the way forward
05:24 hmmmm           but see all i can do here is talk about the elevation at a point
05:25 hmmmm           not the terrain characteristics of the surrounding area
05:26 hmmmm           so that means the default biome group with a heat point and humidity point both at, say, 50 is like {dirt ocean, shore, plains, hills, extreme hills}
05:26 hmmmm           but "plains" isn't some sort of biome that occurs at a specific height
05:26 hmmmm           "plains" is used to describe what the surrounding area is like, e.g. mostly flat and has a low variance
05:28 hmmmm           minecraft makes this work by giving each biome an average height, the biome for a specific point is picked based off of temperature and humidity and nothing else, then the average height of that biome is used to influence the terrain
05:28 hoodedice       ...
05:28 hmmmm           that was my original original approach except it didn't work because of all the vertical cliffs since the noise would be discontinuous
05:28 hoodedice       I'm here for paramat too. =|
05:28 hmmmm           minecraft skirts around this issue by interpolating the terrain
05:29 hmmmm           see that's the thing
05:29 hmmmm           minecraft is able to do all this cool stuff because they tailor it to one specific implementation of a thing
05:29 hmmmm           they don't make a generic, generalized version of whatever it is
05:29 hmmmm           but we have to because minetest is modular, expandable, and reusable
05:30 hoodedice       And depends largely on the modding community
05:31 hoodedice       Which can be largely summed up in one post: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8171
05:31 hmmmm           minecraft is never going to be able to have the flexibility of minetest.  never.  unless they scrap the entire codebase and then start over from new, at which point they'd be several years behind us
05:31 hmmmm           so maybe their biome system works out for them
05:31 hmmmm           that's cool, but they're also stuck to one specific map generation paradigm
05:32 hoodedice       How about giving a nice form to fill up at gen time to the user
05:32 hoodedice       Asking them what percentage of each type of biome they would like?
05:33 hmmmm           uh.. sure.
05:33 hoodedice       And then only bothering about improving the code of those indiv biomes and making the transitions smoother?
05:33 hoodedice       I smell sarcasm
05:34 hmmmm           so I guess this goes back to the ol' terrain variance variable
05:34 hmmmm           sigh
05:35 hmmmm           except i never really figured out how to make that work aside from using the persistence noise used to modulate the base terrain
05:35 hoodedice       inb4 I decide to change my major
05:35 hmmmm           so if I use the persistence values and then add on the other types of turbulence noise, like mountains or ridges, based on some sort of ratio
05:36 hmmmm           maybe like base noise accounts for 2/5ths, mountain terrain accounts for another 2/5ths, and then ridge terrain accounts for 1/5th of the value
05:36 hmmmm           those sound like good weights
05:36 hoodedice       Ah paramat
05:36 paramat         o/
05:37 hoodedice       Please check the logs, hmmm has a lot to say to you
05:37 hoodedice       I however, have only two things
05:37 hmmmm           i'm mostly just talking to myself
05:37 hoodedice       Talking to yourself on an IRC...
05:37 hoodedice       I should start doing that
05:37 hmmmm           it helps
05:37 paramat         hmmmm, can you explain the trouble you're having with temp decay with  height? works well in paragen
05:37 hmmmm           I can't get the desired effects
05:37 hoodedice       But then again, what am I doing at 12:30 am?
05:38 hmmmm           in particular i'm not able to get narrow bands of beach
05:38 paramat         hoodie, hmmm doesnt need my help, he's MT's mapgen dev ;)
05:38 hmmmm           and of course you can't differentiate between oceans and anything else like that
05:38 hoodedice       okay, paramat, A. I used archipelago with your recommended .conf settings but I do get those strips of incorrectly generated dirt
05:39 hoodedice       Which is kind of a bummer
05:39 hoodedice       (I didn't say that he needed your help, I said 'wants to talk to you'. But then again, nvm)
05:40 paramat         i define beach and dunes biomes only on proximity to sea level
05:40 hmmmm           so you have special cases for those ibomes?
05:40 hmmmm           see that's what I'm avoiding
05:40 paramat         yeah
05:40 hmmmm           that's so easy to do but you need to hardcode things in
05:41 hoodedice       B. I used paragen8, and it is indeed much improved. However, the biomes are way too small to be able to do anything constructive. Is there a way to stretch the biomes so that they occupy larger space? Sorry to disturb your discussion and thanks.
05:41 paramat         hoodie, yeah i answered in the forum just now
05:42 hmmmm           here's what i did so far http://pastebin.com/4TC8ZSN1
05:42 hoodedice       Thanks a lot paramat.
05:42 hmmmm           it's not a sophisticated height decay at all
05:42 paramat         archipelago will create dirt ridges unless you use 0.4.9dev with the 'nomudflow' flag
05:42 hmmmm           paramat, why don't you set the nomudflow flag from within your mod?
05:43 paramat         i will but im still using 0.4.8 stable
05:44 hoodedice       ok. I think I left that out. =/. Thanks a lot
05:44 hoodedice       Later.
05:45 hmmmm           so what do you think about my terrain variance idea
05:45 hmmmm           i was going to do that originally a long long time ago but i ended up not doing it
05:46 hmmmm           that would help determine things like what's a mountain, what are planes, so on, but that won't determine if something is an ocean or not
05:47 paramat         i need to reread and ponder what you've written :) ...
05:48 hmmmm           there's a balance i need to achieve between complexity and smart design
05:50 hmmmm           in short i'd like to find a way that i can do minecraft's f(temperature, humidity) -> (average terrain height range, biome type) kind of mapping
05:50 hmmmm           but i already mentioned the problem *for us* with having the biome type influence the terrain itself
05:52 hmmmm           agh no wonder why I'm taking so long to fix the biomes, because I never really solved the problem
05:57 paramat         BTW id like to see dynamic weather stuff  cleared out of MT if its not going to be developed with high quality, my temp/humidity readouts in 0.4.8 are 0 or -32000
06:21 hmmmm           paramat, the 0 is a bug, -32768 is a placeholder value that means weather inactive
06:21 hmmmm           enabling weather means enabling finite liquids and all other proller-related things
06:22 paramat         thanks, i dont like finite water either (sorry proller)
06:22 hmmmm           i wanted to contain proller crap so I made it disable-able
06:22 hmmmm           by default it would be on all the time and write useless data to the maps on generation
06:23 hmmmm           the mapblocks* i mean
06:24 paramat         reread your idea, interesting ... not sure if you are suggesting temp/hum defines the terrain height or not
06:24 paramat         that seems backwards to me
06:24 hmmmm           that's what minecraft does and it solves all the problems that I'm currently having
06:24 hmmmm           but it'd create a new problem
06:25 paramat         best i think to design a stone landscape first and let height influence biomes
06:25 hmmmm           well yeah that's how it works right now
06:26 paramat         in paragen i get rings of biomes as you go up large mountains
06:26 hmmmm           but i want to be able to differentiate between ocean, planes, hills, etc.
06:26 paramat         and its all so simple ... im lucky to be limited by lua's simplicity and slowness :D
06:26 hmmmm           it's too simple
06:27 hmmmm           i'm gonna have to do the terrain variance thing for sure
06:27 us_0gb          That's sad about the weather. I like the idea of weather, but I don't like finite liquids.
06:28 hmmmm           as for the beaches/oceans thing you can't really do that based on terrain variance
06:28 hmmmm           that needs to be directly determined by the height at that point
06:29 hmmmm           which is basically what exists right now with the biomes with the height_min/height_max parameters
06:29 hmmmm           having specific height ranges for biomes removes the possibility of determining biome by lookup table
07:31 paramat         oddly enough im now questioning having temp / humidity decay with height, as this forces all high mountains and floatlands within the atmosphere to be tundra, it would actually be good to have high altitude deserts and jungles, and low altitude tundra ...
07:35 paramat         having biomes defined only by 3D noise makes them a small segment of a theoretically infinite pattern, which is closer to celeron55's universality
10:52 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
10:53 LazyJ           Howdy, PilzAdam ;)
10:53 PilzAdam        who wants to join my anti-spoiler campaign? https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=2443
10:56 LazyJ           Hmmm... The "spoiler" is a tool that has been abused but for those that use it responsibly it functions as it should. I'm undecided on the matter atm.
10:57 PilzAdam        I havent seen a single spoiler tag that is used for actual spoilers
10:58 PilzAdam        its mostly used for formatting, and that is super annyoing since viewers have to click to read
10:58 LazyJ           Can the term be changed to something more suitable to it's more responsible use?
10:58 PilzAdam        [annoy] would be good ;-)
10:59 PilzAdam        Jordach, logs ^
10:59 LazyJ           Instead of "spoiler" is there a way to have a... bookmark? or a type of link that takes the reader to another part of the post but only within that post?
11:00 LazyJ           So the post's author could create a list of bookmarks at the top of the post, like an index I've seen on wiki's?
11:00 PilzAdam        that could be handy for big posts for e.g. mods
11:02 LazyJ           The first post on LinuxGaming's thread is quite long. It would be useful to have a section index for posts like that. VanessaE's server's first posts are similar in need.
11:02 LazyJ           Need or want? as my dad would ask.
11:31 PilzAdam        bbl
12:26 daspork         yo
12:27 Jordach         yoyoyo wassup?
12:29 Jordach         pfft
12:35 Jordach         john_minetest, i've been working on a new human animatic model
12:35 Jordach         i've actually streamlined my stuff :>
12:36 Jordach         i even improved my sharp bends and made them look less shit, solved the broken UV at 90*, compressed the mouth to 2x1 pixel area
12:37 Jordach         it took 6 hours compared to 12 :P
12:49 Jordach         john_minetest, sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=130157#p130157
13:29 Jordach         pfft
13:33 Jordach         pfffft
13:33 reactor         ftp
13:33 Jordach         pah
13:33 Jordach         haha
13:33 reactor         фщщщщ
13:53 reactor         iHAЬ
13:53 reactor         Rather, ЬAHi
15:06 Jordach         john_minetest, want me to have a look?
15:06 Jordach         i can reset the pass on it
15:06 * Jordach       has full admin access
15:17 sfan5           !tell PilzAdam wtf did you do with your forum signature?
15:17 MinetestBot     sfan5: I'll pass that on when PilzAdam is around
15:21 Jordach         H
15:21 Jordach         AH
15:21 Jordach         he wants spoilers disabled
15:21 sfan5           or he wants to get banned
15:22 sfan5           also: http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/577/untitled.png
15:22 sfan5           that looks nice
15:22 Jordach         sfan5, ~7 hours compared to my G6 model (instead of 12 hours to do)
15:23 sfan5           uhh
15:23 sfan5           >it's still in development, (the 4K standard)
15:23 sfan5           wut, 4K is not a standard it's a resolution (actually it is like a standard but finished)
15:23 Jordach         sfan5, i constructed the model in record time
15:24 Jordach         PilzAdam, fix yer fuckin sig
15:24 sfan5           >JPEG likes to artifract, (and that's going to be noticeable on 4K)
15:24 sfan5           the higher the resolution the less noticeable are the artifacts
15:24 Jordach         sfan5, get a 4K projector
15:24 PilzAdam        Jordach, you dont like my anti-spoiler campaign?
15:24 Jordach         and scale a 4K image up to 90''
15:24 Jordach         PilzAdam, i agree
15:25 sfan5           PilzAdam: spoilers are good (but sometimes used incorrectly)
15:25 PilzAdam        s/sometimes/almost always/
15:25 sfan5           also I won't be the person going through all posts and removing spoiler tags
15:25 sfan5           no
15:26 PilzAdam        you just have to disable the tag
15:26 PilzAdam        maybe alias it to [code] or so
15:26 sfan5           lolno
15:27 sfan5           images are often within spoilers
15:27 sfan5           that will look like the author of the post has no grasp of forum syntax
15:27 PilzAdam        then simply ignore the spoiler tag
15:28 sfan5           spoilers can be used to hide away screenshots
15:28 sfan5           I wanted it for that usecase and it works fine
15:28 sfan5           but if someone decides to misuse them it isn't the right way to remove then
15:29 sfan5           if that would apply to the real world we wouldn't have any kitchen knives, baseball bats or nails
15:29 sfan5           we wouldn't have <n> -> <n> would be forbidden
15:31 PilzAdam        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=130173#p130173
15:31 PilzAdam        hiding content from users is never good
15:32 sfan5           PilzAdam: I wanted spoilers to be used for hiding away a big pile of screenshots/crafting reciepes one would not prefer to have in their face
15:33 sfan5           just putting 1 screenshot/crafting receipe behind a spoiler is misusing for me too
15:33 PilzAdam        read the IRC log in the linked topic
15:33 sfan5           I did
15:33 * Jordach       drops the bass on sfan5
15:34 PilzAdam        there could be some table of contents, and you could move all the examples / screenshots / whatever at the end
15:34 * sfan5         drops a kitten on Jordach
15:34 sfan5           like I already said it's not good to remove functionality because someone misuses it
15:34 sfan5           that's like removing pickeaxes because griefers use them
15:35 sfan5           >table of contents
15:35 sfan5           we could use mediawiki syntax for the forum then
15:35 PilzAdam        the problem mainly exists because we have rather large posts for mods and servers
15:35 PilzAdam        a wiki would be better for some of the mods
15:37 * Jordach       is either a spastic, or a retard
15:37 * sfan5         taps Jordach
15:37 Jordach         >rendering test >choose wrong object to not render
15:37 Jordach         sfan5, i cloned VanessaE's minetest cache :>
15:38 Jordach         which means i do it daily, just to pull VE's skin DB :>
15:57 Jordach         hey NekoGloop
15:57 NekoGloop       what do you want
15:58 Jordach         not a lot :>
15:58 Jordach         although my rendering and modeling capabilities are skyrocketing :P
16:00 * Jordach       wonders if it's possible to have a plane that displays the rendered result, which displays the rendered result...
16:06 Jordach         i should really move those two launchers...
16:07 Jordach         Clementine and Blender are right next to each other
16:26 rubenwardy      Hi all
16:27 rubenwardy      http://flapmmo.com/
16:29 Jordach         for fuck sakes
16:34 Jordach         so THERE'S the kitten gen
16:37 reactor         You're doing it wrong. Kittens are supposed to be used for experiments on Schroedinger paradox.
16:37 Jordach         technically the thing is linear
16:37 Jordach         the kitten is live until an atom decays
16:38 reactor         When it decays, no one knows.
16:38 reactor         Whether it will or will not decay, no one knows.
17:04 reactor         But until then                noощщщщщщщщщщ
17:10 rubenwardy      Stronghold 2 time
17:13 Jordach         there's always happy wheels
17:14 Jordach         flash player 11+
17:14 Jordach         true
17:14 Jordach         but there was enough framework to do it
17:15 Jordach         i use apt-get ubuntu-restricted-extras
17:17 reactor         flesh player
17:17 Jordach         plol
17:18 VanessaE        john_minetest: it should work now.
17:20 reactor         pJordach: pI pcan ptalk plike pthat, ptoo.
17:27 Calinou         <Jordach> flash player 11+
17:27 * Calinou       removed it
17:27 Calinou         surprisingly, some Flash video players turned into HTML 5 ones on some sites
17:27 Calinou         no gnash/lightspark
17:27 reactor         The sad part of that equation is "some".
17:28 Calinou         for me... that's "all", since I barely ever play video.
17:28 Calinou         or almost all
17:28 Calinou         and there's always other ways to get them
17:28 reactor         youtube-dl \m/
17:28 reactor         The name is confusing, though. They should rename it.
17:32 Calinou         it's _not_ a Quake clone
17:32 Calinou         and not even a CPMA clone
17:32 Calinou         go say to Samual that Xonotic is a CPMA clone
17:32 Calinou         he'll almost ban you
17:33 Calinou         john_minetest, Tesseract, Sauerbraten, Red Eclipse are not based on Quake at all
17:33 Calinou         so, learn your lessons again
17:34 reactor         ...most people who criticise UNIX haven't ever been seriously using it.
17:47 PilzAdam        I love these kinds of bugs: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8595
17:47 PilzAdam        they repeatedly solve themselves
17:53 Calinou         try Tesseract
17:54 Calinou         tactical shooters can (somehow) be made by editing variables
17:54 Calinou         (doesn't require source code editing, you just need admin access to a server)
17:54 Calinou         "Something like Operation Flashpoint or Arma." the problem is, these games require a lot more work on art, usually, and they can cause ethical problems sometimes
17:58 Jordach         ...you have a guy who's got a few gun models sitting around waiting for action
18:01 FreeFull        I like Warsow with Racesow
18:16 RealBadAngel    sfan5, here?
18:16 * VanessaE      pokes RealBadAngel (just because. ;) )
18:16 RealBadAngel    hi
18:16 VanessaE        hey
18:24 RealBadAngel    i need windows build with #1117
18:34 sfan5           RealBadAngel: yes
18:34 RealBadAngel    sfan5, can you build it for me?
18:34 sfan5           sure
18:35 RealBadAngel    superb
18:37 sfan5           wow
18:37 sfan5           you used branches?
18:38 sfan5           nice :-)
18:38 RealBadAngel    for a few weeks already
18:44 sfan5           RealBadAngel: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/minetest-0.4.9-3da5669-rba-win32.7z
18:44 RealBadAngel    thx
18:44 RealBadAngel    i need to test the shaders on windows
18:59 VanessaE        ohh
19:00 * VanessaE      waits for a list of obscure errors :P
19:01 RealBadAngel    better to test it before than wait for such list
19:01 VanessaE        I meant from you :P
19:02 RealBadAngel    you mean with hdx maps?
19:02 VanessaE        I meant I expected you would find some list of glitches that worked fine in Linux but don't seem to work exactly right in Windows :)
19:02 VanessaE        (any texture pack)
19:03 VanessaE        I was trying to make a joke
19:03 RealBadAngel    we will see
19:03 VanessaE        way to kill it, RBA :P
19:20 * NekoGloop     throws a kitten at RBA
19:20 NekoGloop       oh shit he left
19:20 NekoGloop       uh
19:20 NekoGloop       as you were.
19:20 * hoodedice     throws kitten back
19:24 * whiskers75    kitten!
19:24 * hoodedice     kicks Pest (Reason: he was a pest)
19:26 rubenwardy      Back
19:26 NekoGloop       meow
19:26 hoodedice       Arf
19:26 hoodedice       ARF ARF
19:27 hoodedice       BOW ARF BOW BOW BOW WOW ARF ARF
19:27 * rubenwardy    places a kitten on NekoGloop's head
19:31 * sfan5         gives rubenwardy a kitten
19:31 * sfan5         taps rubenwardy
19:31 * sfan5         throws a kitten at rubenwardy
19:31 * sfan5         puts a kitten on rubenwardy's head
19:31 sfan5           meow
19:31 hoodedice       BARK
19:31 ShadowNinja     ,,kitten :-)
19:31 * ShadowBot     hands ShadowNinja a kitten
19:32 sfan5           ,,twokittens
19:32 sfan5           :-(
19:32 hoodedice       ,,kitten =)
19:32 * ShadowBot     hands hoodedice a kitten
19:32 rubenwardy      Might add /kit name to my client
19:32 sfan5           ,,kitten 2
19:32 hoodedice       Yaay
19:32 * ShadowBot     hands sfan5 a kitten
19:32 sfan5           ShadowBot: I WANTED TWO KITTENS :-( :-( :-(
19:32 ShadowNinja     ~kitten sfan5
19:32 * ShadowBot     hands sfan5 a kitten
19:32 * rubenwardy    puts a kitten on kit's head
19:33 rubenwardy      oh
19:33 ShadowNinja     I could add annother parameter for that.
19:33 rubenwardy      used %1, not %2
19:33 rubenwardy      :{
19:33 rubenwardy      :P
19:33 hoodedice       ,,kittens =)
19:33 hoodedice       ,,pizza =)
19:33 * rubenwardy    puts a kitten on sfan5's head
19:33 hoodedice       Y U NO PIzZA?
19:33 rubenwardy      /kit sfan5
19:33 * sfan5         throws hoodedice at a pizza
19:33 hoodedice       such grammer
19:34 * rubenwardy    puts a kitten on hoodedice's head
19:36 * rubenwardy    puts a kitten on hoodedice's head
19:36 hoodedice       *kitten bites hoodedice*
19:36 * rubenwardy    puts a kitten on hoodedice's head
19:36 rubenwardy      yay!
19:36 * hoodedice     slaps rubenwardy
19:36 * sfan5         taps hoodedice
19:36 hoodedice       ,,kitten
19:36 * ShadowBot     hands hoodedice a kitten
19:36 hoodedice       Ow
19:37 PilzAdam        this user in the forums is insulting me: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=130208#p130208
19:37 * rubenwardy    defenestrates hoodedice's cat
19:37 * rubenwardy    puts a kitten on PilzAdam's head
19:37 * rubenwardy    defenestrates PilzAdam's head
19:38 * rubenwardy    found User Commands in HexChat
19:38 hoodedice       !g defenestrate
19:38 MinetestBot     hoodedice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration
19:38 hoodedice       :O
19:38 ShadowNinja     ~g defenstrate
19:38 ShadowBot       ShadowNinja: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Defenstrate | An act of throwing someone or something out of a window. [From de- + Latin fenestra, window.] defenestration (diːˌfɛnɪˈstreɪʃən). n. 1. the act of throwing ...
19:38 * rubenwardy    puts a kitten on rubenwardy's head
19:39 ShadowNinja     ^ More helpfull.  :--
19:39 ShadowNinja     :-)
19:39 rubenwardy      awesome word
19:39 hoodedice       OKay people important stuff
19:40 ShadowNinja     Er, ,,(g defenestrate)
19:40 ShadowBot       ShadowNinja: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defenestration | a throwing of a person or thing out of a window. 2. : a usually swift dismissal or expulsion (as from a political party or office). — de·fen·es·trate
19:40 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: he probably thinks you are a troll, now
19:40 hoodedice       Someone connected to my server
19:40 ShadowNinja     Same thing though.
19:40 hoodedice       with this : error drawhotbar NULL
19:40 hoodedice       Latest git didn't work on his Windows 7 system, probably crashed
19:41 hoodedice       Where latest git = sfan5's latest build
19:41 sfan5           have your searched in the github issues?
19:43 hoodedice       I haven't but he managed to connect
19:48 ShadowNinja     Foo & Foo::operator=(const Foo &f) { assert(this != NULL); }  --> Assertion failed.    ???
19:49 sfan5           ShadowNinja: c++ is magic
19:49 * rubenwardy    defenestrates sfan5's c++
19:49 * rubenwardy    defenestrates sfan5's c++_compiler
19:50 sfan5           I didn't want g++ anyway
19:50 ShadowNinja     test: nbt.cpp:62: NBT::Tag& NBT::Tag::operator=(const NBT::Tag&): Assertion `this != __null' failed.  (C++11)
19:50 * rubenwardy    puts a compiler on sfan5's head
19:50 sfan5           NBT as in the format minecraft uses
19:50 sfan5           ?
19:50 rubenwardy      ^ /put compiler sfan5
19:50 * sfan5         puts python on rubenwardy's head
19:50 rubenwardy      lol
19:51 ShadowNinja     sfan5: Yep.
19:51 ShadowNinja     http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6950682/
19:52 ShadowNinja     sfan5: I'm writing a parser (and writer).  It's for a MC2MT converter.
19:52 sfan5           ah
19:53 Jordach         HEY
19:53 Jordach         HEEEYYYY
19:53 sfan5           HEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY
19:53 Jordach         i made something with that name, you can GTFO
19:54 rubenwardy      ShadowNinja, texture packs, or maps, or other?
19:54 ShadowNinja     Jordach: Wasn't it MC4MT?
19:54 ShadowNinja     rubenwardy: Maps.
19:54 rubenwardy      cool
19:54 Jordach         close enough
19:55 rubenwardy      oooooooh, trademarking fight!
19:59 hoodedice       sfan5
19:59 hoodedice       WorldEdit: I saved a file from another world
19:59 hoodedice       But cant load it into a newer world
19:59 hoodedice       The original world is deleted
20:00 Jordach         PilzAdam, Insluting <- fix yer typos
20:00 rubenwardy      Enslutting
20:02 sfan5           hoodedice: lua error?
20:04 hoodedice       Failed to load
20:05 hoodedice       Where is the stuff stored?
20:11 hoodedice       I'm kinda frustrated
20:11 hoodedice       I usually allow only well known members of this community to join my server
20:11 hoodedice       Today, I allowed this newbie to join too
20:11 sfan5           hoodedice: <worlddir>/scmes
20:11 sfan5           schems*
20:11 hoodedice       5 minutes in the game, and now he's fishing among my other clients for someone to play on HIS MC server
20:12 hoodedice       *facepalm*
20:12 sfan5           MC?
20:12 sfan5           lolwat
20:12 hoodedice       yes, Minecraft
20:12 Miner_48er      hoodedice what type of server'
20:12 hoodedice       I said that I didn't have it, and now he;s telling me to torrent it
20:13 hoodedice       A private server only for members of this flash game community I used to be on
20:14 hoodedice       Now look at him
20:14 hoodedice       "Feels like I'm playing a Chinese rip-off of MC"
20:14 hoodedice       slash kick
20:14 hoodedice       lol
20:16 * Jordach       pokes hoodedice ;)
20:17 Jordach         whoever's got a skin on VE's servers: you're screwed - i cloned the entire DB via MITM packet captures :>
20:17 hoodedice       ?
20:18 sfan5           Jordach: mitm
20:18 sfan5           lol
20:18 sfan5           you could just have copied stuff from client/cache
20:19 Jordach         sfan5, easier
20:19 Jordach         they're not named
20:19 Jordach         http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-170214-201922.php
20:20 Jordach         and the G7 model is incoming (hint; that female render is G7F)
20:25 Jordach         hello dante123
20:29 PilzAdam        Jordach, what are you going to do about that post?
20:29 Jordach         feck all
20:30 Jordach         i'm not going to appear biased :>
20:30 dante123        hi Jordach
20:30 PilzAdam        its your job as moderator to moderate
20:30 hoodedice       Which post?
20:31 Jordach         PilzAdam, technically, an insult under the color of law is fine
20:31 PilzAdam        hoodedice, the one where DeepGaze insults me
20:31 hoodedice       OMG, gonna check it out
20:32 PilzAdam        Jordach, "By registering, you agree to act suitably"
20:33 NekoGloop       http://i.imgur.com/ljg1Sz2.png
20:33 * Jordach       tilts head
20:35 hoodedice       Jordach, wait for a reply
20:35 hoodedice       I posted a little warning.
20:35 Jordach         alrighty
20:35 Jordach         it's not like i give a fuck
20:35 PilzAdam        Jordach, insulting is illegal, according to § 185 BGB
20:36 Jordach         even though i agree to PilzAdam's idea of killing [spoiler]
20:36 hoodedice       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=130219#p130219
20:36 hoodedice       I don't agree
20:36 hoodedice       Spoilers ARE pretty useful
20:36 Jordach         even better
20:36 Jordach         one click that's it bullshit
20:38 PilzAdam        Jordach, okay, then Ill get my other signature back again
20:39 Jordach         i made no opinion, locked it, and let IT DIE.
20:39 PilzAdam        moderating a topic != closing it
20:40 EvergreenTree   Okay, this is stupid.   It's impossible to get anyone's attention on #minetest-dev
20:40 EvergreenTree   I guess I'll ask here then
20:41 EvergreenTree   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/240
20:41 PilzAdam        EvergreenTree, the problem is that nobody cares
20:42 EvergreenTree   My problem is that #minetest-dev is where pull requests should be mentioned.  So why is that not the case?
20:42 EvergreenTree   Sure they may not care, but at least someone can say something
20:42 svv             because not everyone is on irc all of the time?
20:42 EvergreenTree   what is the point of pull requests if no one pays attention to them?
20:42 EvergreenTree   sw, the people I'm talking about are
20:43 EvergreenTree   They just aren't paying attention
20:43 svv             Oh, I have no idea to be honest. A lot of people idle on irc because they have bouncers.
20:43 phantombeta     Hello
20:44 EvergreenTree   sw, Yeah.   I have no idea why people do that
20:44 EvergreenTree   Hi phantombeta
20:44 phantombeta     How's it going?
20:44 svv             too lazy to re-ident with nickserv every time :P
20:46 EvergreenTree   I do.  :P
20:47 EvergreenTree   It is annoying, but I don't really mind
20:58 EvergreenTree   PilzAdam: What's the point of pull requests if no one pays any attention to them?   When I posted it here, I was told to go to -dev
20:58 EvergreenTree   Then when I go there, you tell me No one cares
20:59 PilzAdam        nobody seems to care about minetest_game
20:59 svv             EvergreenTree: did you submit the pull request on Github?
20:59 EvergreenTree   Yes, of course
20:59 EvergreenTree   I just posted it here
21:00 Jordach         PilzAdam, then get the best modders out of the forum access to the minetest_game
21:00 PilzAdam        Jordach, why?
21:00 EvergreenTree   minetest_game has to be updated
21:00 Jordach         because minetest_game is no different to an engine
21:00 EvergreenTree   ^ not really true
21:01 Jordach         EvergreenTree, then try to base a game without it (most mods need it)_
21:01 EvergreenTree   But minetest_game still needs to be maintained
21:01 EvergreenTree   minetest_game is sort of an engine, only because it's the default game
21:02 EvergreenTree   If it weren't then it is just another set of mods
21:02 PilzAdam        I think it would be good to encourage people to make their own games
21:02 Jordach         PilzAdam, like anyone will
21:03 PilzAdam        I already have a non-minetest_game game
21:03 Jordach         because even the wiki says making a mod is easier than making a game
21:03 PilzAdam        there are other in the forums
21:03 svv             is minetest not going for feature parity with minecraft?
21:03 EvergreenTree   Yes, anyone can, but default still needs to be updated and maintained
21:03 EvergreenTree   It depends on whether you consider minetest as an engine or a game
21:03 Jordach         everything points at the API to extend minetest_game
21:03 PilzAdam        svv, not at all, Minetest is a game engine
21:03 PilzAdam        Jordach, then the wiki needs to be changed
21:04 EvergreenTree   However, most people do not play minetest like it's an engine
21:04 Jordach         PilzAdam, start by actually making people want to develop a brand new game
21:04 EvergreenTree   ^
21:04 svv             I don't doubt that it's a game engine, in the same way that minecraft is an engine with mods.
21:04 Jordach         because this is the IDENTICAL problem the 1.8 API for MC faces
21:04 Jordach         people will be more interested in making a silly mod rather than a full on game mode
21:04 NekoGloop       what 1.8 API
21:05 NekoGloop       ;P
21:05 Jordach         NekoGloop, Minecraft 1.8 SHOULD come with the API
21:05 NekoGloop       it won't
21:05 NekoGloop       i guarentee it
21:05 EvergreenTree   From what I can tell, it never will
21:07 svv             Notch doesn't give a fuck about the game, he's ready to slaughter his goose that lays the golden eggs.
21:07 NekoGloop       Notch doesn't even work on it
21:07 Jordach         but then: the same problem again: people will just fuck around rather than actually make something useful
21:07 NekoGloop       he's retired iirc
21:08 NekoGloop       well, not retired from making games
21:08 EvergreenTree   Yeah, he really doesn't do anything on minecraft
21:08 NekoGloop       but retired from minecraft dev
21:13 hoodedice       Whatever happened to MC becoming OSS
21:14 Jordach         hoodedice, when sales drop off completely (they're down to 10k a day)
21:14 hoodedice       lol
21:16 EvergreenTree   An opinion I have about minetest being an engine:  Most people who play minetest treat it + minetest_game as one thing
21:17 EvergreenTree   If you want to cater to about 2% of people who actually migh create a game for it, then fine
21:19 NekoGloop       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SBxsv_T_Jw
21:20 EvergreenTree   !title
21:20 EvergreenTree   MinetestBot: u fail
21:20 MinetestBot     EvergreenTree: Minecraft in 15 seconds - YouTube
21:21 EvergreenTree   oh, there we go
21:22 Jordach         silly MinetestBot
21:22 * Jordach       pets MinetestBot
21:25 * hoodedice     kicks MinetestBot
21:25 hoodedice       !rainbow ow
21:25 MinetestBot     4o4w
21:30 * sfan5         taps Jordach
21:30 * Jordach       taps EvergreenTree
21:31 * EvergreenTree taps sfan5
21:34 sfan5           good night everyone
21:47 Tg1             hello
21:52 NekoGloop       does tapping EvergreenTree provide green mana?
21:52 EvergreenTree   lol
21:59 domtron         is there anyway to link a key to a formspec/detached inventory?
22:00 domtron         with the current lua API
22:00 * EvergreenTree slaps Jordach
22:00 PilzAdam        not any key, just the ones that already have a function
22:02 EvergreenTree   What do I have to do to get any attention on -dev?  It's like I'm muted on there or something
22:02 EvergreenTree   I'm told to go there to show off pull requests, and I just get ignored
22:04 hoodedice       ...
22:04 hoodedice       I feel you bro/sis/bis/sro
22:04 EvergreenTree   lol
22:05 Jordach         0.0
22:05 EvergreenTree   ?
22:06 EvergreenTree   Why are the core devs such elitists?
22:06 Jordach         hoodedice, +0 for the transgender reference.
22:06 EvergreenTree   I hate having to even get a response from any of them
22:06 EvergreenTree   even a bad response
22:07 PilzAdam        EvergreenTree, I already responded to you
22:07 EvergreenTree   They are just infuriating
22:07 EvergreenTree   That is not the response I was looking for
22:07 PilzAdam        <EvergreenTree> even a bad response
22:07 EvergreenTree   "No one cares" is not a good answer
22:07 EvergreenTree   I said I hate having to get a response
22:08 EvergreenTree   I'm not talking about the pull request in that case
22:08 EvergreenTree   When I said "I hate having to get a response" I wasn't talking about the response to the pull request
22:08 PilzAdam        nobody is interested in minetest_game, since its a boring game, and any attempt to make it better fails because of people bitching arround
22:08 hoodedice       Wow.
22:09 hoodedice       Suchh fucking pessimism
22:09 PilzAdam        thats why we have a semi-official agreement to not touch it
22:09 Guest34104      How are people able to hack minetest? I run a small server and keep getting hackers. How are they able to do it? Is there any way to prevent it? Somethimes they can fly and other privs seem to be enabled even though they're not. Thanks.
22:09 hoodedice       If this is the attitude, I don;t know how we can move ahead?
22:09 PilzAdam        hoodedice, all core devs mainly focus on the engine
22:09 EvergreenTree   So you expect the stagnant community to create games for you?
22:10 hoodedice       Evergreen, actually, yes
22:10 PilzAdam        EvergreenTree, not really
22:10 PilzAdam        I mostly care about creating an engine
22:10 EvergreenTree   what n00b want to find out that the engine doesn't actually come with a playable game?
22:10 PilzAdam        and I also create a game myself
22:10 EvergreenTree   Well, then someone needs to care about making a playable game for that engine
22:10 EvergreenTree   that comes by default
22:10 hoodedice       Because that's hat Celeron said himself
22:11 EvergreenTree   It is useless developing the engine
22:11 PilzAdam        thats your opinion
22:11 EvergreenTree   Wait, that came out wrong
22:12 EvergreenTree   What I meant is that the engine matters to modders and developers
22:12 EvergreenTree   the game matters to people who are just playing to have fun
22:13 Guest34104      How are people able to hack minetest? I run a small server and keep getting hackers. How are they able to do it? Is there any way to prevent it? Somethimes they can fly and other privs seem to be enabled even though they're not. Thanks.
22:14 hoodedice       Guest34104, please wait for a reply. PilzAdam!
22:15 PilzAdam        Guest34104, hacking Minetest is quite easy
22:15 PilzAdam        and the anti-cheat mechanisms on the server are quite simple
22:17 Guest34104      So how do they hack and how do you prevent it?
22:17 PilzAdam        I am not interested in telling you how to hack clients
22:18 PilzAdam        and there are probably ways to prevent that on the server side, someone just needs to do it
22:40 Jordach         Tonights news in #minetest-dev: The knives come out as PilzAdam, VanessaE and EvergreenTree duke it out over merging Animated Furnaces. Film at 11.
22:40 EvergreenTree   lol
22:40 EvergreenTree   minetest-dev is like a soap opera
22:40 Jordach         HEY
22:40 Jordach         i said that a while back
22:41 EvergreenTree   oh, you did?
22:41 Jordach         looks like you're recycling my shit
22:41 EvergreenTree   sorry.
22:41 EvergreenTree   :P
22:41 EvergreenTree   I made that up
22:41 Jordach         EvergreenTree, sfan5 had that for ~4 months as a sig
22:42 EvergreenTree   I remember hearing it somewhere before, didn't know it was yours
22:42 Jordach         i should really do those news snippets (taking in parts of IRC.)
22:43 EvergreenTree   Lol
22:43 EvergreenTree   IRC newspaper
22:43 EvergreenTree   "The IRC Journal"
22:44 EvergreenTree   Wow, some discussions go way off the point at which they started
22:45 PilzAdam        EvergreenTree, welcome to #minetest
22:45 Jordach         pfft
22:45 Jordach         :P
22:46 EvergreenTree   #minetest - polotics and everything in between
22:46 Jordach         politics*
22:46 Jordach         </grammar_nazi>
22:46 PilzAdam        *poltics
22:47 Jordach         pffffffffffffffffffffftttttttt
22:47 PilzAdam        </real_....>
22:47 PilzAdam        :-p
22:47 * Jordach       reloads the channel shotguhn
22:47 Jordach         -h
22:48 PilzAdam        the guhn! he has the guhn!
22:49 Jordach         sag Hallo zu meinem kleinen flammenwerfer
22:49 PilzAdam        Hallo
23:49 MinetestBot     GIT: 4Evergreen4 commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add animated front texture for active furnace a5dcf123e0 2014-02-17T15:21:08-08:00 http://git.io/Yq7GZg
23:49 EvergreenTree   Woohoo
23:56 Enke            So, furnaces now have an animated texture?