Time  Nick            Message
00:24 Peacock         know which piece of code would return "warning item group:wood not defined"?
00:26 Jei             probably something written by a girl.
00:26 Peacock         ?
00:27 ShadowNinja     Peacock: grep -r "warning item" mods/
00:28 Peacock         terminal?
00:33 Peacock         nope, nothing
00:38 Jei             -i maybe?
00:39 kaeza           Peacock, src/script/cpp_api/s_inventory.cpp:235:		errorstream<<"Item \""<<name<<"\" not defined"<<std::endl;
00:40 Peacock         hm, so there'd need to group:wood in someone's inventory or one of the craft guides to cause this
00:40 kaeza           also: src/script/cpp_api/s_item.cpp:180:		errorstream << "Item \"" << name << "\" not defined" << std::endl;
00:41 Peacock         would make sense since i recently reverted all the default crafts to use nodes instead of groups to make it work with the craft guide
00:41 Peacock         so if someone had one of the old crafts loaded it would do that
00:45 ShadowNinja     What?  You removed groups?  Fix the craft guide, don't break recipes!
00:46 paramat         https://github.com/paramat/island/commit/524d8b218ae6503a276b082da47628de33dd4988
00:48 paramat         Pea, i deleted all that unnecessary 'processing radius' code so now it's also faster, ~1.5s non luaJIT
00:49 Peacock         what did processing radius do?
00:51 paramat         leave a central area of world unprocessed
00:52 Peacock         oh i did that too :P wanted pure islands all over
00:52 paramat         does anyone know why default:snow does not darken like other nodeboxes? is it 'levelled' stuff?
00:53 Peacock         one of those level nodeboxes i think
00:54 Peacock         i'd probably ignore it in favour of default:snowblock
00:56 paramat         indeed, in paragen im replacing most snodeboxes with snowblocks, look better, smooth lighting ...
00:56 Peacock         nodeboxes doesn't have smooth lighting at all, thats why i tend to only use it for furniture type things
01:03 * us_0gb        uses them for stairs and saplings
01:03 Peacock         stairs too obviously :P
01:03 paramat         O_O ... full moon
01:04 us_0gb          My saplings look silly though and aren't texturable really. I'll probably scrap the nodebox saplings before I release.
01:15 Peacock         finally decided to block those all digit names with "this ain't ICQ" message lol
01:25 Megaf           Fuck minetest
01:25 Megaf           it will always crash for the very same fucking reason
01:26 Megaf           http://paste.debian.net/76524/
01:26 blaise          lmao, that's all you man.
01:26 Megaf           I'm totally fed up of this fucking nil value!
01:27 Megaf           I'm not restarting my server
01:27 Megaf           let me know when you find a way to make this shit works and dont crash because somebody wrote something in a different language
01:27 Megaf           or because someone used the wrong fuel in a furnace
01:28 ShadowNinja     Megaf: That's a mod error, there's no way to fix people making mistakes.
01:28 Megaf           You know you can use some "IF" in your code, don't you?
01:28 Megaf           Goodbye
01:28 ShadowNinja     *sigh*
01:30 ShadowNinja     I sent a memo to webdesigner97.
01:31 NekoGloopMkII   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmj6Kkcqirs
01:33 Peacock         he'll be back
01:34 Peacock         (special time of the month and all..)
01:34 blaise          yeah
01:35 NekoGloopMkII   well at least it's not my piece of shit mod :D
01:35 ShadowNinja     What do you think of having ShadowBot automatically check the title of URLs pasted in the channel?
01:35 Peacock         too much
01:35 Peacock         i can picture ppl flooding with that
01:36 Peacock         (by posting many links)
01:36 ShadowNinja     It should ignore them if they paste too many, but I'll have to check that.
01:37 blaise          how do I use this? https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/mod/mg/
01:38 ShadowNinja     Just download and install it. :-)
01:39 NekoGloopMkII   download it, then unzip the contents to a folder in your minetest installation's "mods" folder.
01:39 NekoGloopMkII   er
01:39 NekoGloopMkII   a folder probably named "novagen"
01:39 NekoGloopMkII   download, unzip to /minetest/mods/novagen/
01:40 blaise          hrmm
01:40 iqualfragile    VanessaE: pipeworks needs to use group:leaves for the recepies
01:40 blaise          I named the dir mg
01:40 NekoGloopMkII   enjoy the crash that happens because minetesthurrdurr
01:40 Peacock         i know most of the craftguides are borked, but how are they supposed to represent groups in crafts?
01:40 blaise          EH?
01:41 Peacock         picking a random node belonging to said group might be confusing
01:41 NekoGloopMkII   Peacock, cycle through the items in that group
01:42 Peacock         dont understand, i can't show them all
01:42 NekoGloopMkII   ...
01:42 NekoGloopMkII   AAAAAANIIIIIMAAAAAATIIIIIIOOOOON!
01:42 NekoGloopMkII   oh wait.
01:42 NekoGloopMkII   minetest.
01:42 NekoGloopMkII   really limited formspec because fuck modders.
01:43 kaurdump_       ok, it's finally internet facing
01:44 Exio4           NekoGloopMkII: implementing that shit isn't *that* easy
01:54 Peacock         im guessing fields.quit was only bound to the escape key after 047?
01:57 kaurdump_       ok so i ran "git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetes.git minetest-new" for an in place upgrade and got Cloning into 'minetest-new'... fatal: remote error:   Repository not found.
01:57 kaurdump_       looks like a t is missing
01:58 kaurdump_       yep that was the problem
02:07 paramat         Peacock, only problem with island 0.2.2 is you may still have to travel 2km to find high land =/ however the advantage of that is discontinuities in snow across chunk boundaries caused by updating to 0.2.2 will be very rare
02:08 Peacock         hm, makes sense :-)
02:49 EvergreenTree   /me tosses a shark over to NekoGloopMkII
02:51 * NekoGloopMkII noms the fishie
02:51 EvergreenTree   :o
02:51 EvergreenTree   he must be huge
02:51 EvergreenTree   Or it may have been a small shark
02:51 EvergreenTree   I wasn't paying attention when I caught it
02:52 EvergreenTree   *yawn*
02:52 EvergreenTree   Time for me to turn in for the night
02:52 EvergreenTree   Cya guys
02:52 EvergreenTree   and kitties
06:29 sfan5           goddamnit can he stop with this already: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=125993#p125993
06:41 SirDigby        heh
06:41 SirDigby        Really.
06:58 us_0gb          WHat's with Freeminer anyway? How is it different from Minetest?
07:14 SirDigby        Good Night Internet!
07:14 VanessaE        us_0gb: basically minetest + a bunch of pull requests/patches merged in
07:15 us_0gb          VanessaE: Ah, so a more controlled Minetest-next.
07:15 VanessaE        plus a number of proller's own additions.  some stuff is less tested than others
07:15 VanessaE        it IS minetest-next.
07:15 VanessaE        or is what -next became
07:15 us_0gb          It was renamed? I suppose that was inevitable if it was to become its own project.
07:16 VanessaE        it's basically -next taken several steps further.
07:40 proller         us_0gb, try it ;)
07:41 us_0gb          proller: Try what? Renaming a fork of Minetest?
07:42 us_0gb          Never mind, I'm slow tonight.
07:42 us_0gb          I'll try it when my new machine arrives.
07:43 us_0gb          This machine is awful for Minetest playing.
07:52 proller         yes,  and freeminer also contain some optimizations
07:54 VanessaE        s/optimizations/\"optimizations\"/
07:54 VanessaE        ;)_
07:57 proller         yes, imagined only
07:59 proller         btw now again top3 servers on freeminer...
08:00 VanessaE        yeah because it's populated by bots and "Guest" accounts :)
08:01 proller         why they not play on other servers?
08:02 VanessaE        actually,
08:02 VanessaE        on the Inchra Network servers, Guest##### accounts are generally forbidden.
08:03 VanessaE        we block those by default because they're G*d damned annoying
08:03 VanessaE        a lot of other server owners do, also
08:03 VanessaE        and everyone knows you use bots to do load testing on your server, a legitimate and necessary function
08:04 VanessaE        so, the "populated by bots" part was just a joke.  The "Guest accounts" part was an exaggeration.
08:04 VanessaE        you need to learn a bit of humor, proller  :)
08:06 proller         10-20% of guest - normail players
08:06 proller         normal
08:06 proller         other stupid griefers
08:09 VanessaE        my servers usually total between 15 and 20 players during their busiest time of day (total, between all 5).  With the nickname restrictions, no interact by default, and how heavy my games are for clients to handle, that's doing pretty well.
08:09 VanessaE        http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
08:10 VanessaE        (the big, wide spike at 5:00 am EST is my normal restart+backup cycle)
08:17 VanessaE        the CPU usage is measured by taking a 2-second sample from `top`, subtracting the 'idle' time from 400% and plotting that as the "total", and totaling up the Minetest servers' CPU time's from that same sample and plotting those in the purple graph.
08:18 VanessaE        (idle being the summed total across all four "cores")
08:18 VanessaE        figured that was about as accurate as I was gonna get and still be able to pick out and plot Minetest's usage separately.
08:19 VanessaE        s/time's/times/
09:39 xiong           What's the deal with the new hydrodynamics? Is there anything written about it anywhere?
09:40 VanessaE        there's something new?
09:40 xiong           xyz.is:30000
09:40 xiong           I've seen the same funny stuff elsewhere, too.
09:41 VanessaE        what's it doing exactly?
09:41 VanessaE        oh that
09:41 VanessaE        that's freeminer
09:41 xiong           Hard to summarize. Basically, everything you know about water... and lava... is wrong.
09:41 VanessaE        you're probably seeing the finite water.
09:41 VanessaE        that's not minetest.
09:41 VanessaE        blame proller
09:42 xiong           Yes; it's more realistic, for some value of "realistic".
09:42 VanessaE        regular minetest servers don't do that
09:42 VanessaE        and those who run freeminer for their server can disable it with, liquid_finite = 0
09:42 xiong           Nevertheless they surface on the public server list.
09:44 xiong           Also, FWIW, "regular" servers list on their site: http://freeminer.org/
09:44 * VanessaE      shrugs
09:45 VanessaE        it's compatible with regular clients (for now anyway), that's why they're listed.
09:45 VanessaE        to be fair:
09:45 VanessaE        it would be like asking me not to list my Realtest server
09:45 VanessaE        it's not even close to traditional Minetest
09:45 VanessaE        except that it's a sandbox
09:45 xiong           I'm not the sort to get mad or territorial. My only concern is the confusion. On their home page, they're unable to explain how the things differ.
09:46 xiong           Is this just the engine with a different 'game' loaded? -- which, to me, seems to comprise nothing but a set of mods and a mapgen.
09:46 xiong           Or have they forked the engine, too?
09:48 VanessaE        total fork
09:48 VanessaE        engine and game both I guess
09:48 VanessaE        though regular games work with their fork of the engine
09:48 VanessaE        in fact, most of their work is in forking the engine
09:48 VanessaE        not the game content
09:49 xiong           "99% lag-free; optimized server can handle 50-100-... players; no problems with laggy mods even on slow hardware"
09:49 xiong           That's sounds to me like thigh cream.
09:50 xiong           So apparently I've *been* playing on such a server... and the only difference I notice is the messed up fluid dynamics.
09:54 xiong           Please let me know if Minetest dies, so I can stop coding for it. Thanks.
09:56 VanessaE        it ain't gonna die.
10:07 xiong           If 'Sky' is an example of the 99% thigh cream, I don't want it.
10:08 VanessaE        sky is a freeminer server, yeah
10:08 VanessaE        if it says 0.4.x.y-free
10:08 xiong           Must be that 1%.
10:08 xiong           *away
11:10 proller         xiong, what wrong with sky ?
11:38 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
12:30 sfan5           hi everyone
13:07 EvergreenTree   wait, 0.4.10?
13:07 EvergreenTree   is the next milestone?
13:07 EvergreenTree   why not just 5.0
13:08 Kray            does it change things significantly
13:08 Kray            if not, that's correct version numbering
13:30 Hirato          more likely, they'll tag 0.5 once the protocol redesign is complete
13:41 Exio4           VanessaE: is it real that you moved to freeminer and left us the minesters :(
14:37 arsdragonfly    hello everypony :-P
15:12 arsdragonfly    anyone out there? :-(
15:13 arsdragonfly    some news about the android port...
15:13 jnharlin        I'm here
15:13 jnharlin        but I am a nobody :)
15:13 arsdragonfly    hopefully someone will check out the log
15:14 john_mt|afk     Hello.
15:14 arsdragonfly    but i'm stating it here anyway
15:14 arsdragonfly    hi :-)
15:15 arsdragonfly    well, the unofficial android port ,named buildcraft, is a well-done project,i mean it's integrity in functionality
15:15 arsdragonfly    it includes i18n
15:15 arsdragonfly    *its
15:15 arsdragonfly    so when you switch your system language , you getg the corresponding translated strings
15:16 arsdragonfly    some strings are the same as those in the PC version
15:16 arsdragonfly    some are not
15:16 arsdragonfly    like the "Help" section, which contains joystick usage ,etc.
15:18 arsdragonfly    and these specific strings aren't internationalized, EXCEPT for two languages, English and Chinese :-(
15:19 arsdragonfly    further googling turned out that the developer might really be a Chinese
15:19 arsdragonfly    if you'd like to you can put "Playstarz" into google
15:20 arsdragonfly    now I have a way to contact him anyway, hopefully I can get some good results
15:20 arsdragonfly    e.g. the source code
15:32 MinetestBot     GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Prevent player jumping into nodes from below 64c0e40605 2014-01-16T06:46:55-08:00 http://git.io/-fhwzA
15:53 jnharlin        the android version does not run on my android...I just get a black screen but alas, the adds certainly work :(
16:02 keesj           how can I enable this fly mode?
16:10 Amaz            @keesj Press / then type "grant singleplayer fly" (without the "s) and then press K. (You could replace "fly" with "all".)
16:20 keesj           Amaz: thanks
17:02 VanessaE        Exio4: nope.avi
17:18 Inocudom        Does anyone know when the next Freeminer build will be?
17:20 VanessaE        nope
17:20 VanessaE        forget freeminer, stick to vanilla :)
17:21 * sfan5         puts a kitten on john_cephalopoda's head
17:21 EvergreenTree   vanilla is sticky
17:22 PilzAdam        Inocudom, this is the Minetest channel
17:22 EvergreenTree   #freeminer
17:22 Inocudom        I don't have any choice. Nobody ever talks on the #freeminer channel.
17:23 PilzAdam        go to #freenode then
17:23 PilzAdam        many people talk there
17:23 sfan5           john_mt|afk: don't lie, you're not afk
17:23 Inocudom        #freeminer
17:24 * sfan5         drops the bass on Jordach
17:28 SirDigby        Why is there so much freeminer spam all over the place?
17:28 SirDigby        in the irc's the forums and even on server chat
17:28 EvergreenTree   I think it's because it's developed by minetest core devs, and people like it
17:29 EvergreenTree   There are some features that I honestly prefer
17:29 EvergreenTree   like slippery ice
17:29 EvergreenTree   and how the menu looks
17:29 EvergreenTree   but PilzAdam is right, this is not the place
17:31 EvergreenTree   I got owned
17:36 PilzAdam        wtf? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=126077#p126077
17:38 VanessaE        Why is that topic even still *open*?
17:38 VanessaE        PilzAdam: he got nasty because your reply was not helpful
17:39 VanessaE        (doesn't help that he didn't bother to read the thread...)
17:42 VanessaE        PilzAdam: THAT is a "simple reply".  as for the rest of his comment, I agree it was pretty much gibberish.
17:42 VanessaE        recommend someone close this thread now.
17:42 PilzAdam        no, dont close it
17:42 PilzAdam        have you read my reply?
17:43 PilzAdam        I think his problem is that he thinks that this is the farming mod from mt_game
17:43 VanessaE        indeed I have,
17:43 VanessaE        did you see his response to my post?
17:43 PilzAdam        yes
17:44 PilzAdam        he still needs to answer my questions
18:09 jnharlin        VanessaE can you help me with the filter/injector?
18:09 VanessaE        what help do you need?
18:10 jnharlin        I was wondering if it is possible to "configure it" so that it stops injecting if the "destination" is full instead of dropping items on the floor
18:10 VanessaE        nope
18:10 jnharlin        rats
18:10 VanessaE        devices in a circuit aren't aware of each other's state
18:10 VanessaE        however,
18:11 jnharlin        I love that mod though..making factories :)
18:11 VanessaE        there are ways to detect a full chest
18:11 jnharlin        I have a bread factory going now
18:11 jnharlin        yea..the chest is not so much the problem as the furnace inputs
18:11 VanessaE        same idea
18:11 VanessaE        anything that takes an input
18:12 VanessaE        put a detector tube on a tee next to the chect
18:12 VanessaE        chest*
18:12 VanessaE        lead the output of the detector somewhere to catch the overflow
18:12 VanessaE        use the signal from the detector to tell your upstream circuit to stop sending.
18:12 jnharlin        wow!
18:12 VanessaE        e.g.:
18:12 VanessaE        upstream-----*-----furnace
18:12 VanessaE        |
18:12 VanessaE        detector
18:13 VanessaE        |
18:13 VanessaE        overflow-----
18:13 VanessaE        eh, my ascii art skillz suck :)
18:13 jnharlin        i get the idea
18:13 jnharlin        so your saying that an "item" will go straight to the furnace if it is not full
18:13 VanessaE        yep
18:13 jnharlin        and will take the "T" if it is full
18:14 VanessaE        and if full, it'll bounce out and go to the T
18:14 jnharlin        sweet
18:14 jnharlin        now I just need a way to start it all up again when empty ;)
18:14 VanessaE        where you then direct it to some overflow circuit, which might lead right back to the same storage facility the item originally came from
18:14 kaeza           greetings
18:14 VanessaE        hey kaeza.
18:14 jnharlin        in real life, I am an automation engineer....so factory building is what I love doing
18:14 VanessaE        starting it up again is easy:  use Microcontrollrs or Luacontrollers to handle the programming
18:15 VanessaE        on my Survival server, Cheapie is the automation expert :)
18:15 jnharlin        but I wont know when
18:15 VanessaE        it's simple, you just keep sending items out at a slower rate if they keep coming back.  if after some preset interval, you get no bouncebacks, turn your sending rate back up.
18:16 jnharlin        ok...i got you.
18:16 VanessaE        or you just top sending for a while, say 30 seconds, then restart again
18:16 VanessaE        stop*
18:16 jnharlin        in the lua controller, I see there are just logic gates....can we count up variables and such with timers?
18:16 VanessaE        oh sure
18:16 jnharlin        i didnt see how in the docs
18:16 VanessaE        Luacontrollers are fully programmable, treat them like a PIC or so
18:16 VanessaE        Microcontrollers are more limited
18:17 jnharlin        so it can do if and then statements as well?
18:17 VanessaE        yep
18:17 jnharlin        the docs sux ...forgive my french
18:17 jnharlin        so i can pretty much run a lua script in the lua controller?
18:18 VanessaE        not wuite
18:18 VanessaE        it's a subset of Lua
18:18 VanessaE        quite*
18:18 VanessaE        it's stripped down enough to keep them from hanging a PC up :)
18:18 jnharlin        is there a good place to look for good examples instead of AND.....OR....NAND etc
18:19 jnharlin        hmmm...thinking about the "T" and the overflow going back to the source bin, I really do not have to worry about slowing down, stopping or starting....just let it overflow
18:24 jnharlin        thanks for your help VanessaE
18:29 VanessaE        no prob
18:29 VanessaE        exactly
18:29 VanessaE        there's a pumice/basalt generator on my server near spawn that goes a step further,
18:29 VanessaE        it detects full chests, lets the overflow drop into an incinerator, and them shuts itself down completely when full
18:29 VanessaE        you click a button to restart it when you take from the chest
18:29 VanessaE        it runs until full and shuts down again
18:29 Freejack_       VanessaE: thank you for the answer in the forums
18:29 VanessaE        sure
18:31 VanessaE        haven't used abiword in forever.  I always found it to be too glitchy.
18:42 VanessaE        I use libreoffice also in lieu of abiword.
18:42 VanessaE        for me the glitches were mostly in the display/UI
18:42 VanessaE        can't very well use a word processor that doesn't display things properly.
18:43 kaeza           word processor? pfft
18:43 kaeza           hand-written html is the way
18:57 us_0gb          Abiword also had trouble handling images, last time I used it.
18:58 us_0gb          kaeza: I prefer XHTML over word procession, but for school, I'm required to submit .doc files.
19:13 Ritchie         hello :)
19:13 Ritchie         kittens everywhere :D https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CCUvcW5W5-U/Utam_1iMLZI/AAAAAAAAL28/nibkWPfV0Oo/w469-h264-no/40.gif
19:18 EvergreenTree   Ritchie, that is what #minetest should look like
19:19 Ritchie         :)
19:26 Ritchie         going to office to code minetest https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--EJ_Uoh3MG0/UspvuHBo2RI/AAAAAAAAInk/rFxTlVN5FyY/w320-h201/lol-catwalk.gif
19:26 * sfan5         wish there was a special office for coding minetest
19:33 Peacock         i think i figured out why my blackjack tables don't always reset when a player presses Escape - https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/874 - which versions of minetest didn't have this?
19:34 Peacock         i think that would be 047?
19:41 PilzAdam        Peacock, yes
19:42 Peacock         hm, so i need to turn strict_protocol_version_checking to make sure i dont get clients/players who bork my tables
19:42 Peacock         *turn on
19:46 kaeza           that would also probably prevent recent clients (0.4.8+) from connecting...
19:46 PilzAdam        Peacock, set https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientserver.h#L108 to 21
19:46 Peacock         not so im running 0.4.8 dev
19:46 Peacock         damn i have to recompile, even if im running 048?
19:46 Peacock         i dont mind just getting clients 048 and above, most people seemed to have moved on to 049
19:47 Peacock         though if i turn on the strict protocol check, will it allow any 0.4.8 version, or just from my dev version and above?
19:48 PilzAdam        chances are high  that your 0.4.8-dev version has the 0.4.9 protocol version
19:49 Peacock         where would i find that out? dont see it in F5 or F6
19:49 PilzAdam        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientserver.h#L105
19:49 PilzAdam        0.4.9 has 22; 0.4.8 has 21
19:50 PilzAdam        and it was increased from 21 to 22 somewhere in 0.4.8-dev
19:50 Peacock         damn, mine's 22
19:51 PilzAdam        set SERVER_PROTOCOL_VERSION_MIN to 21 then
19:51 Peacock         in that case i wont need to turn on strict protocol checking?
19:51 PilzAdam        yes
19:51 PilzAdam        it would simply dissalow anything below 0.4.8
19:52 Peacock         allrighty, do i still need to do cmake or just make to recompile it?
19:53 PilzAdam        only make
19:53 Peacock         cool thanks :)
19:54 Peacock         aside, i checked out (played) baccarat, what a bloody boring game. No skill require, you just bet on either the player, the banker or on a tie :(
19:54 Peacock         that was a quick compile
19:56 Peacock         oh, and nore should probably add a note https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L841 explaining which keys are bound to which fields :)
20:00 Peacock         brandonreese, why you be CCCP'ing me? :P
20:02 EvergreenTree   I'm getting a 502 error on the minetest forums
20:03 PilzAdam        EvergreenTree, /msg xyz
20:03 VanessaE        it's slow to access but it's working fo rme
20:03 VanessaE        for me*
20:03 Peacock         slow-loading here too
20:04 BrandonReese    just for fun, to see what client you were using. Didn't know you could see that
20:04 Peacock         xchat :p
20:05 Peacock         just about the only one that respects my system's migraine-free colour scheme :P
20:05 SirDigby        pics!
20:06 EvergreenTree   screeny?
20:06 SirDigby        cappy!
20:07 Peacock         http://s13.postimg.org/nbzf1k4zb/Screenshot_160114_03_06_44_PM.png
20:07 PilzAdam        why am I blue?
20:07 PilzAdam        I dont want to be blue
20:07 Peacock         you're all blue :P
20:07 PilzAdam        I DONT WANT TO BE BLUE!!!!
20:08 Peacock         i dont know how to change individual name colours lol
20:08 Peacock         as you can see, i only use irc for this channel :P
20:08 kaeza           can't even read your own messages... :<
20:08 Peacock         i see them fine :P
20:08 BrandonReese    that is easy on the eyes
20:08 Peacock         course my wife says im partially colour blind, i cant tell the different between dark green/red/brown and grey lol
20:09 Peacock         on an LED screen you need something easy on the eyes, even the ACL screen wasn't this bright
20:09 PilzAdam        03Peac07oc05k
20:10 Peacock         ehm, ACL is french, i think LCD is the english name for it
20:12 Peacock         hm, looking at git history.. if protocol was bumped to 21 6 months ago, and novatux's pull binding escape to fields.quit was 5 months ago, does that mean there will still be some clients for whom fields.quit isn't called when they Esc?
20:12 PilzAdam        only from dev clients
20:12 PilzAdam        thats why people shouldnt use 0.4.8-dev anymore
20:13 PilzAdam        (or generally: people shouldnt use dev versions and not update at least every week)
20:13 Peacock         well i got debian repos so im better off only using dev versions lol
20:14 Peacock         though i tend to skip every other version, which means my next update will be to 0.5.0
20:14 PilzAdam        heh
20:14 PilzAdam        have fun waiting forit
20:14 Peacock         well 049 came out fast enough :P
20:14 PilzAdam        you assume something that you shouldnt assume
20:14 Peacock         whats in the pipeline for 50?
20:14 Peacock         *050?
20:15 Peacock         048 came out at christmas? and 049 like two weeks later i think
20:16 EvergreenTree   The milestone says 0410
20:16 kaeza           soddenly: 0.4.10
20:16 kaeza           suddenly even
20:16 Peacock         0.4.10, you serious? lol  so 90 more releases before 0.5.0 lol
20:16 kaeza           Peacock, no
20:16 EvergreenTree   ^ Ikr
20:16 * sfan5         suddently puts a kitten on Peacock's head
20:17 kaeza           there's .100
20:17 sfan5           suddenly*
20:17 sfan5           damnit
20:17 kaeza           (also .1000, .10000, 1000000000000000, etc)
20:17 EvergreenTree   lol, no one can spell suddennly today
20:17 EvergreenTree   GAH
20:17 Peacock         so were using the BTC currency format for versioning :P
20:17 kaeza           irony :P
20:17 * sfan5         puts a kitten on EvergreenTree's head
20:18 * EvergreenTree strokes the cuddly kitten
20:19 Peacock         well here's a suggestion for 0.5.0 : yank out the engine's mapgens, make paramat Lord of Mapgens and High Wycombe
20:19 Amaz            Now that is a good idea.
20:19 Peacock         make a main menu tab to chose which of his dozen mapgens you want
20:19 Peacock         (or a drop down or whatever)
20:20 sfan5           we already haz a dropdown
20:21 Peacock         ok so use that but put paramat's mapgens in its place :P
20:21 Peacock         *in place of the ones there i meant
20:22 PilzAdam        and dont care about speed
20:22 Peacock         they're already pretty fast and would be faster without 2 mapgens running at once
20:22 PilzAdam        "2 mapgens running at once"?
20:23 Peacock         v6 + mod
20:23 PilzAdam        eh, I guess paramat is smart enought to set the engine mapgen to singlenode
20:23 PilzAdam        which will only output air and takes about 0ms
20:23 Peacock         not as bad with singlenode though even in asteroid it would calculate lighting as if there was a ground level at 0
20:24 Peacock         besides mapgens is one of the few areas of modding that hasn't been done to death :P and the engine could focus on providing better/faster noise functions instead of full mapgens
20:30 Peacock         holy frak, Clip server ping: 1319, a new record?
20:30 PilzAdam        1319 what?
20:30 PilzAdam        1319 meters?
20:30 Peacock         servers page dont define units, but i assume ms lol
20:31 Peacock         ah, just popped back down to 2, wtf lol
20:31 troller         hezner?
20:31 Peacock         whats the diff between ping and lag? for x y z's server it gives 107, 1030, thats quite  disparity
20:32 PilzAdam        lag gets calculated by how long Lua code runs
20:32 troller         not only lua
20:33 Peacock         odd, hes only got 25 mods, vanessa's servers have like, 157 at last count and lag of 100
20:33 PilzAdam        troller, how is it done then?
20:33 troller         server step contain blocks, objects, players, lua and other stuff
20:33 troller         lighting, liquid, ...
20:33 troller         sum of all = lag
20:34 PilzAdam        troller, Im talking about how max_lag is calculated
20:34 troller         max lag not in server list
20:35 Peacock         * whoever maintains serverlist: maybe add a column for min. protocol :)
20:35 VanessaE        by the way, why don't you shut down and back up your server daily?  taking HUGE risks not doing this.
20:35 Peacock         who's that addressed to?  :P
20:35 VanessaE        anyone whose server has an uptime > 1 day
20:36 Peacock         oh not me then lol
20:36 troller         risk of what?
20:36 Peacock         i have to restart every 6 hours because of the lags
20:36 troller         its game, not banking
20:36 Peacock         lol
20:36 Peacock         actually, my game has that lol
20:36 troller         Peacock, try... FM ;)
20:36 Peacock         and gambling and shops lol
20:36 VanessaE        troller: if your map should become corrupted, you have to restore and players lose their structures
20:36 VanessaE        this will piss players off if you have to restore from a backup that is too old
20:36 kaeza           wat
20:37 VanessaE        ?
20:37 VanessaE        wtf?
20:37 Peacock         paste flood?
20:37 VanessaE        what pasteflood?
20:37 Peacock         seriously lol
20:37 PilzAdam        ShadowBot is lagging
20:37 troller         VanessaE, why it must be corrupted?
20:37 VanessaE        ShadowNinja: fix yer busted-ass bot :P
20:37 PilzAdam        its the second time today
20:37 VanessaE        troller: disk errors?  computer crashes?  cosmic rays?
20:37 troller         wat?
20:37 VanessaE        any number of things can corrupt a map file
20:37 Peacock         i didn't know bots could have schizophrenia, it's hearing me say things lol
20:38 troller         i have one disk error per 3-5 years
20:38 VanessaE        troller: please don't ever work in the IT field.
20:38 Peacock         well backups didn't do me much good when i had a complete disk failure lol
20:38 VanessaE        Peacock: duh, back up to a separate disk
20:38 troller         and no problem with crashes (yet)
20:38 Peacock         i would if they weren't all full
20:38 troller         separate continent! nuclear war can brgin in any time
20:38 PilzAdam        troller, werent you complaining about loosing player files a while ago in -dev ?
20:39 Peacock         1.75 TB just ain't enough these days
20:39 troller         PilzAdam, FM have no this issue...
20:39 VanessaE        ^^^^^^ that is why you back up your data.
20:39 PilzAdam        troller, how is that related to my question?
20:39 PilzAdam        if you dont care about data loss then why did you complain?
20:39 troller         map loss != player files loss
20:40 PilzAdam        so player files are worth a backup, but map files are not?
20:40 VanessaE        player files == inventory, some of which may be quite valuable on the server.
20:40 kaeza           player loss are as bad as map loss :)
20:40 kaeza           player file *
20:40 Peacock         speaking of player files, why isn't all thats stuff in some sqlite file? im at 3K files after running the server for a week, minetest doesn't seem to clean up old files from players who haven't been in a while :/
20:40 troller         i have 40k
20:40 PilzAdam        Peacock, its easier for people to modify it when its in .txt
20:41 Peacock         not quite as easy to load the folder in thunar though
20:41 troller         map easier to modify in txt too!
20:41 troller         lets convert map to .txt
20:41 kaeza           boot sectors too!
20:41 troller         to lua table!
20:41 kaeza           also file tables!
20:42 Peacock         in any case even in sqlite im sure someone will come up with some tool ingame or otherwise to edit them
20:42 kaeza           also, let's get rid of PNG files and use XPM!
20:42 PilzAdam        yea, like we have tons of tools currently to merge maps
20:42 Peacock         and a few mappers
20:43 VanessaE        kaeza: svg! :D
20:43 kaeza           :O
20:44 Peacock         another request would be to split up the debug log into 24hour chunk files so i can actually load the damn thing :P
20:44 VanessaE        Peacock: periodic server restarts + logrotate
20:44 PilzAdam        write a script for that
20:44 Peacock         is it that hard to append a date to the filename? :P
20:45 VanessaE        Peacock: ask that of the same person who wrote the code that stamps the screenshots with the weird codes they use....
20:45 kaeza           as had as it is to do mv debug.txt debug-$(date +%Y-$m-$d).txt
20:45 kaeza           s/\$/%/g
20:46 Peacock         yeah except i have to write some funky script with which to launch mt lol
20:46 PilzAdam        who uses Minetest to make screenshots anyway?
20:46 Peacock         though 34mb logs and up don't seem normal for any software except MT
20:46 VanessaE        Peacock: you have to do that anyway, since the server doesn't run as an auto-restart daemon...
20:46 PilzAdam        Peacock, which debug_log_level do you have?
20:47 Peacock         the default value
20:47 PilzAdam        set it to 1 to only log errors
20:47 Peacock         though here's a space saver, does right clicking users do anything?
20:47 PilzAdam        (2 is default, which means all actions are logged)
20:47 PilzAdam        depends on what mods you have
20:48 Peacock         my log constantly gets flooded with people right clicking eachother a thousand times lol
20:48 ShadowNinja     ~ping
20:48 ShadowBot       pong
20:48 Peacock         and i do need level 2 because i log some actions in economy and protection
20:48 ShadowNinja     There's not much lag...
20:48 Peacock         where can i disable the rightclick of user logging?
20:48 VanessaE        7 "guests" on the top server, leaves 9 real users.  7 real users on my server...
20:48 Peacock         not everyone bans guests :P
20:48 VanessaE        and I run vanilla minetest.
20:49 Peacock         i just hate having to address people by name and number when there are ten of them lol
20:49 VanessaE        I only ban "Guest" usernames because someone was braindead when they added that automatic username thing to the client.
20:49 Peacock         oh no
20:49 sfan5           ahahaha, again
20:49 * sfan5         is easily amuse
20:49 sfan5           d
20:49 PilzAdam        VanessaE, it was troller IIRC
20:50 VanessaE        ah HAH
20:50 Peacock         i dont think troller was there at the time :P
20:50 VanessaE        troller: you're brain dead :)
20:50 Peacock         personally i'd get a much bigger quick if i could rename those users, im sure i could come up with enough ridiculous and offensive stuff to make them chose a name ;)
20:50 sfan5           http://i.imgur.com/iIhaWLw.png
20:50 Peacock         *kick not quick
20:51 kaeza           lol SoundButt :I
20:52 Peacock         hell my chat filter replaces messages with certain keywords to: i trade sexual favours for sudafed .... people think they've been hacked lol
20:52 VanessaE        hah!  8 guests and one fake on the top server, leaves 6 legits.  7 real users on my server.  I win :D
20:53 VanessaE        aw fuck
20:53 Peacock         lol
20:53 VanessaE        too slow :)
20:53 Peacock         im starting to get people connecting from proxies
20:53 Peacock         (thats what geoip reports anyhow)
20:53 VanessaE        now I'm down by 2 again :)
20:59 sfan5           lol http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/1vd3kr/why_are_there_drugs_on_my_new_computer/
21:02 PilzAdam        everyone hide! the kick-bot is back!
21:03 ShadowBot       Sorry. :-(
21:11 Peacock         i thought i saw a nicer tetris version than this somewhere https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3698
21:11 Peacock         the node had this full arcade texture
21:16 VanessaE        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNh_AakN-PA
21:16 sfan5           !title
21:16 MinetestBot     sfan5: MODTEST EP. 1 Tetris Arcade Machine - YouTube
21:16 VanessaE        the images are long since deleted from RBA's site though
21:16 Peacock         jesus christ, is the kid talking into a tin can?
21:16 VanessaE        I muted the audio.
21:17 Peacock         yeah, putting awful music on top doesn't really help either lol
21:18 VanessaE        Peacock: actually, if you look at the repo, it has those full-arcade-machine textures now.
21:18 VanessaE        https://github.com/obneq/tetris/blob/master/textures/tetris_machine_front.png
21:18 Peacock         oh okay so it's just the thread screenshot that wasn't updated
21:18 VanessaE        yeh
21:22 troller         guest names was broken with lua menu, but restored in android port
21:23 VanessaE        well it needs to be broken entirely
21:23 VanessaE        removed
21:23 VanessaE        deleted
21:23 VanessaE        ripped the fuck out
21:23 VanessaE        destroyed
21:23 VanessaE        with extreme prejudice.
21:23 troller         wegrwergw better than guest3254 ?
21:23 Amaz            It does.
21:24 VanessaE        fdsfdsfsfds happens whether Guest2423423423 can be used or not.
21:24 ShadowNinja     troller: Yes.
21:24 PilzAdam        troller, yes
21:24 kaeza           troller; yes
21:24 VanessaE        so, yes
21:25 VanessaE        Guest1234 signs in, uses password foo
21:25 VanessaE        signs out
21:25 troller         but message about empty nick must be shown before login
21:25 VanessaE        Guest1234 signs in again, but it's a different person from half way across the world
21:25 VanessaE        oops!  wrong password!
21:25 VanessaE        wait, wtf?
21:25 VanessaE        "but, I didn't ever sign in before!"
21:25 VanessaE        etc.
21:25 troller         okay
21:25 PilzAdam        troller, yea, I agree to the message about empty nick
21:25 VanessaE        Guest#### usernames SUCK
21:26 Peacock         another issue is the same bloody person signing in with 20 different names in a day
21:26 troller         now its only buildcraft feature, need to write to google for next remove
21:26 troller         Admin use lot of peoples
21:26 VanessaE        buildcraft will eventually be forced to rebase against 0.4.10 or so, once we break compat with older versions in some way
21:26 VanessaE        it can happen then
21:26 kaeza           I've seen those "Admin" too
21:27 troller         also admins have ipv6
21:27 Peacock         lots of "Admin"s from different parts of the world
21:27 kaeza           wtf is that? someone changed "Guest" to "Admin"?
21:27 VanessaE        Admin is one person lately, I think
21:27 ShadowNinja     Oh, I renamed my server management script to *Server*.  So expect a lot of those soon.  ;-)
21:28 kaeza           there were also "Invite_*" a while ago
21:28 Peacock         and people posing as longtime players
21:28 ShadowNinja     (The Admin thing started right after I named it *Admin*)
21:28 PilzAdam        bye
21:28 Peacock         so because that works on your server, people think it works on all of them? lol
21:29 kaeza           OMG someone managed to say something between PilzAdam saying "bye" and disconnecting :D
21:29 Peacock         well i managed to press enter between the two at least lol
21:39 Peacock         the majestic christ compels you not to use away nicks
21:41 LazyJ           I picked up on the last bit of the conversation about "Admin" logins. We've had a couple "admin", "Admin123451" try to log on.
21:41 LazyJ           Is this the same person, or a trouble maker that's been griefing servers lately?
21:42 VanessaE        no clue, but on my servers, the same mod that blocks Guestxxxx accounts also blocks variants of 'admin' as well
21:42 VanessaE        (and also blocks all-numeric nicks and anything that looks like unreadable gibberish)
21:43 Peacock         i had to amend mine to "[Gg]uest"
21:45 ShadowNinja     If freenode is lagging a bit less ShadowBot should get a message in before PilzAdam leaves next.  :-)
21:45 LazyJ           I put "admin" in the future_ban, figuring they were trying to dupe noob players.
21:45 Peacock         i dont really see the point though, they pretend to be admin but they can't grant or give anything lol
21:46 ShadowNinja     LazyJ: future_ban is case-sensitive.  And it isn't nice because you can't rejoin with a different nick and don't know why you can't connect.
21:46 LazyJ           Names like "hdhdhfhdhsf" are nothing new. :/
21:47 VanessaE        LazyJ: that's what the gibberish filter is for
21:47 Peacock         thats what prejoin is for
21:47 VanessaE        these don't ban, they just deny the connection
21:47 VanessaE        on_prejoin
21:47 Peacock         (re not knowing why you cant connect)
21:47 VanessaE        "sorry, that nick is gibberish, please try again" --> disconnect
21:48 ShadowNinja     ~mod no_guests
21:48 ShadowBot       ShadowNinja: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8089
21:48 Peacock         though im about to right another function that hashes IPs and stores the name for the session, if the same IP comes back with a different name than prejoin will reject them
21:48 Peacock         *write not right
21:49 LazyJ           It would be great if Minetest had a few more options for dealing with questionable players.
21:49 LazyJ           I've seen the xban mod and like the idea of a temporary, timed ban.
21:49 Peacock         well the ban system is woefully inadequate though there seems to be no willpower to improve it, therefore, mods :P
21:49 sfan5           like finally being able to kick people?
21:49 Peacock         GOD yes
21:49 Peacock         please add kick lol
21:49 ShadowNinja     Peacock: Some people do that if they forget their password.
21:49 LazyJ           ^^
21:50 LazyJ           Ahk... I'm too slow to type.
21:50 Peacock         then dont set one, i dont require it lol
21:50 LazyJ           Yes, a kick function would be nice tool to have.
21:50 Peacock         besides its limited to the current system, isn't saved on restart
21:50 Peacock         *session not system
21:50 Peacock         damnit i need to sleep more at night lol
21:52 LazyJ           The gibberish names, the impersonator names, the "c55" and "celeron-55" names... in my experience have been chosen by players who intend to cause trouble.
21:52 Peacock         well if you got a decent protection scheme in place there's not much they can do
21:53 LazyJ           The protection scheme we have at the moment has it's flaws.
21:53 Peacock         areas?
21:53 LazyJ           Looking into shadowninja's protection mod.
21:53 Peacock         which one then?
21:53 Peacock         (that you're running)
21:53 LazyJ           But I can only work on MT server stuff on the weekends so progress is slow.
21:53 LazyJ           Orby's permafy mod.
21:54 Peacock         ive had success with landrush
21:54 Miner_48er      limited mod designed for 4.3
21:55 LazyJ           Miner, keep'em cornered while I shut off the stove. Back in a moment.
21:57 LazyJ           Ok, back.
21:57 LazyJ           One of the things that would be a nice feature of a protection mod that players coudl set themselves would be that the process is dead simple.
21:58 Peacock         still sounds like landrush :P
21:58 LazyJ           We have little kids who play as well as non-English speakers.
21:58 LazyJ           Were is the link to download landrush?
21:58 Peacock         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4799
21:59 Peacock         i'd turn on requireclaim though, otherwise people can still litter the landscape of unclaimed areas
21:59 LazyJ           Ok, thanks, Peacock.
21:59 Peacock         np
22:01 LazyJ           If "sdhshhwhshhdhshshhfs" has to figure out to set protection with their playername, they might choose a simpler, more sensible name. >:D
22:02 Peacock         well players with lr setup claims by laying a node, i give 2 to each new player
22:03 ShadowNinja     LazyJ: Sokomine wrote a GUI for areas named markers that makes it very easy to use.
22:03 LazyJ           My time is up for today. Thanks for the info, gang. ;)
22:03 LazyJ           Aye, I bookmarked Soko's marker mod too for evaluation.
22:04 LazyJ           gtg
23:16 xiong           Midnightsystems has altered the craft for a basic furnace to require stone brick; which is built of plain stone; which requires a furnace. This strikes me as unplayable. Can anyone figure a way over, under, through, or around?
23:21 ShadowNinja     xiong: Use someone elses furnace if they changed it after someone made one.
23:22 ShadowNinja     (That craft makes more sense, but if it's unplayeble it doesn't matter how much sense it makes)
23:26 xiong           Yah, ShadowNinja; but there does not seem to be a single existing furnace.
23:26 VanessaE        does homedecor exist on that server
23:26 VanessaE        ?
23:27 VanessaE        actually strike that, doesn't matter.
23:27 xiong           I try not to be contemptuous of, or angry at, my fellow man. But this sort of thing exacerbates my personal shortcomings.
23:27 VanessaE        ovens/microwaves need steel, which needs a furnace...so you're still stuck
23:27 xiong           No; there's technic and I did ponder, briefly, if that might be a path. Of course it's not.
23:27 VanessaE        what about the campfire mod?  does this server have that?
23:29 xiong           Dunno; I'll look.
23:30 xiong           Now I'm not getting a join. *shrug*
23:35 VanessaE        well if that mod exists, use it.  it's basically a much slower furnace that looks like a small bonfire.   if it doesn't, get the server owner to either add it or fix the furnace recipe :)
23:35 VanessaE        bbl
23:36 Exio4           http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1un3wn/we_are_the_pornhub_team_ask_us_anything/ceju98b
23:39 ShadowNinja     Exio4: Um, that doesn't seem appropriate here.
23:39 Exio4           a bit old tho
23:42 MinetestBot     GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Reverse and combine if statements in the screwdriver 04e560328f 2014-01-16T15:40:04-08:00 http://git.io/8EblJQ
23:42 MinetestBot     GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Fix crash when using the screwdriver on an unknown node c971ec7dc7 2014-01-16T15:32:13-08:00 http://git.io/9cgsPQ
23:56 Exio4           it is?
23:56 Exio4           get there anyway, it isn't that nsfw