Time  Nick            Message
00:37 blaise          ah
00:38 blaise          so, like.. I just timed out on my own server
00:38 blaise          lmao
00:38 blaise          it's a gigabit lan
00:39 prestotron55    [deleted]
00:40 blaise          hi!
00:40 prestotron55    [deleted]
00:41 prestotron55    [deleted]
00:41 prestotron55    [deleted]
01:05 blaise          is there a wiki or howto or something with pipeworks ?
01:05 blaise          :O)
01:36 fwilson         blaise: http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/
01:36 fwilson         :)
01:49 Peacock         what's minetest charset? im trying to use unicode currency symbols but i keep getting <invalid multibyte string>
01:51 blaise          fwilson: thank you
01:51 fwilson         np
02:14 blaise          wow, the only thing the npc builder can make is a hut?
02:14 * blaise        facepalms
02:14 Peacock         everyone needs an outhouse :p
02:14 Peacock         there are some more complex mods that builds shit without npc's but ... what's left to do for the user? lol
02:21 zat1            Anybody who might know: How hard can it be to make the water reflective?
02:21 Peacock         cant as far as i know
02:21 Peacock         i think that'd be RBA's department
02:24 blaise          how come Dan Duncombe got banned?
02:24 blaise          aparently the npcf builder can use Dan Duncombe's blueprints
02:25 Peacock         a moderator insisted he do something with his mod, things escalated and he got banned :p
02:25 Peacock         *one of his mods
02:25 Peacock         you'll find thats quite normal around here :P
02:26 kaeza           his mods were failing, he was told to fix it or his mod would be removed from a server, he got mad, started insulting everyone
02:26 kaeza           and you know the end of the story
02:26 zat1            he killed hisself?
02:26 blaise          wow, that's no good..
02:27 Peacock         well from what v said she wasn't planning on removing the mod but wanted it fixed, but yeah he got pissed lol
02:27 Exio4           shut up Peacock
02:27 Peacock         blow me exio
02:28 Exio4           THAT IS NOT RIGHT
02:28 Exio4           I AM RIGHT
02:28 zat             did he died?
02:28 Peacock         PLEASE USE MORE CAPS, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
02:28 * Exio4         blanks his posts
02:28 kaeza           >his 4 posts
02:28 kaeza           noob
02:28 Exio4           4?
02:28 Exio4           thought i had 2 D:
02:28 Exio4           they duplicated
02:28 kaeza           !sfu Exio
02:28 MinetestBot     kaeza: No Results found
02:29 kaeza           !sfu Exio4
02:29 Exio4           !sfu Exio4
02:29 MinetestBot     Exio4 8New member 6 posts, registered on 2012-12-23 | id: 3863
02:29 MinetestBot     Exio4 8New member 6 posts, registered on 2012-12-23 | id: 3863
02:29 Exio4           wow
02:29 Exio4           not legit
02:29 Exio4           anyway
02:29 Exio4           2012?
02:29 Exio4           wtf
02:29 Peacock         sucks tho he wrote a lot of mods
02:29 kaeza           wait... you joined way after me? O_o
02:30 kaeza           !sfu kaeza
02:30 MinetestBot     kaeza 9Moderator 1,520 posts, registered on 2012-10-18 | id: 3279
02:30 Exio4           Moderator? wath
02:30 Exio4           since when you are mod lol
02:30 blaise          !sfu jblaiseg
02:30 MinetestBot     jblaiseg 8New member 0 posts, registered on 2014-01-03 | id: 8817
02:30 blaise          XD
02:30 Peacock         yeah the board has almost as many moderators as active members :P (almost)
02:30 Exio4           active l33t users
02:30 Peacock         though it seems like the same 2 or 3 do most of the work
02:30 kaeza           Exio4, O_o
02:31 Exio4           what kaeza
02:31 Exio4           what is so O_o o_o o_O?
02:31 kaeza           nuthin
02:31 Exio4           k
02:33 kaeza           Peacock, "wrote" <.<
02:34 Peacock         ?
02:39 blaise          ^.^
02:39 kaeza           ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
02:47 blaise          are steel chests possible?
02:47 blaise          steel locked chests ?
02:47 Exio4           you could add metadata and shit to wood if you wanted to
02:48 blaise          seems like the wood ones wouldn't be all that secure
02:48 blaise          and I've seen copper locked chests
02:48 Peacock         steel chests? http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2123/2142373686_c617e5aa65.jpg
02:49 blaise          lmao
02:49 blaise          no
02:52 blaise          so, what minetest currency was the one that was adopted by the majority?
02:52 * VanessaE      peeks in
02:52 VanessaE        blaise: steel chests (as "iron") are in the technic mod.
02:52 Inocudom        Who in this community has the skills to compile builds of Freeminer? It seems like xyz is too busy with other matters to.
02:52 VanessaE        Inocudom: it compiles exactly the same as minetest.
02:52 blaise          ah.. I didn't see them in the list..
02:53 Inocudom        Fess had issues when trying to compile 64-bit builds of it.
02:54 Exio4           i can compile FM for 64bit!
02:54 Exio4           linux-builds tho ;)
02:54 Inocudom        You can? How often do you do so? If you do so often, you should make a topic where you can upload the builds.
02:55 blaise          how do I remove an npcf spawning block?
02:55 Inocudom        If you can compile for linux, then VanessaE or sfan5 might know how to cross-compile for Windows.
02:55 VanessaE        not a chance.
02:55 VanessaE        idk how to cross-compile to Windows.
02:55 blaise          lmao
02:55 blaise          I do..
02:56 blaise          ps, cygwin & gnu gcc is your friend
02:56 Inocudom        Then I guess blaise and sfan5 are the only ones that know how to.
02:56 Inocudom        I the method written in the forums somewhere so that those that need the information can go and find it?
03:01 Inocudom        Why did everything get so quiet all of a sudden?
03:01 Exio4           no idea
03:01 Exio4           i would blame kaeza for that
03:02 kaeza           ftsu
03:02 Peacock         im watching nightmare on elm street, so far the remake sucks balls
03:02 Inocudom        If you understood how to use what blaise mentioned, you might be able to cross-compile builds for Windows then.
03:03 Peacock         cross compile, thats when you wear a dress while compiling?
03:03 kaeza           lol
03:03 Inocudom        Freeminer as of yet does not have much support in terms od new builds.
03:03 Inocudom        It is when you make a build on Lixus and port it to Windows.
03:39 blaise          are people even using currency in their minetest servers?
03:39 blaise          is it popular?
03:40 kaeza           at least 7 out of 8 servers on our network use it
03:45 blaise          kaeza: what minetest currency do you use/recommend?
03:45 kaeza           Dan's
03:49 VanessaE        Dan's mod works well
03:49 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002
03:49 VanessaE        simple, basic, no fuss
03:49 VanessaE        too bad he went apeshit.
04:33 blaise          eh, I'm kinda nervous about using abandonware
04:33 blaise          has someone taken over the project?
04:33 kaeza           no, but you can do that
04:36 NekoGloop       I suppose glooptest is abandonware
04:37 blaise          bleh
04:37 NekoGloop       oh well
04:37 NekoGloop       best to let it become forgotten, I suppose
04:41 blaise          isn't there something that works like an ATM?
04:41 blaise          use the currency to buy blocks? sell blocks to get currency?
04:42 NekoGloop       it's really just an item that takes up space... all it's good for is trading
04:42 Miner_48er      "Money" by kotolegokot
04:43 Miner_48er      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2263
04:45 VanessaE        NekoGloop: only if you let it...
04:45 VanessaE        it's in use on my survival server
04:45 VanessaE        people like the glass
04:45 NekoGloop       good for them
04:47 blaise          could be useful to people that don't have space to hold a lot of resources in bags/chests
04:49 Hirato_         that thread  doesn't paint a good picture of Lua :P
05:00 Robby           VanessaE: you should add glooptest to the "Recommended" line in the homedecor mod post
05:00 VanessaE        why?
05:00 VanessaE        it doesn't use any glooptest items does it?
05:00 Robby           because your mod uses part of it
05:01 Robby           for chainlink
05:01 VanessaE        oh
05:01 Robby           mods/homedecor/furniture_recipes.lua:        { "glooptest:chainlink", "", "glooptest:chainlink" },
05:01 Robby           I noticed because the crafting guide gave an unknown item and went looking why
05:01 Robby           :p
05:02 Robby           there was an alternate recipe tho, but still
05:07 VanessaE        I'll fix it later
05:07 Robby           ok :)
05:14 blaise          lol
05:14 blaise          VanessaE: I downloaded your x512 textures
05:14 blaise          getting ready to make my computer lay a golden egg
05:15 VanessaE        haha
05:21 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:39 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:40 VanessaE        he's not here at this time of night
05:40 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:41 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:41 VanessaE        core devs are usually on #minetest-dev
05:41 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:41 VanessaE        but at this time of night, there's not usually anyone on.
05:41 OldCoder        Oh?
05:41 OldCoder        VanessaE, pm when free if awake
05:41 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:42 VanessaE        hi OldCoder
05:42 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:42 OldCoder        I mean
05:42 OldCoder        if she is awake when free
05:42 OldCoder        VanessaE, hi
05:42 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:43 SirDigby        God damn it Canonical really needs to pool all the resources possible and fix the god damn Ubuntu Software Center.
05:44 VanessaE        don't use it
05:44 VanessaE        use Synaptic
05:44 VanessaE        software center is purely for noobs.
05:44 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:44 VanessaE        Synaptic is for folks who know what they're doing
05:44 VanessaE        (or apt if you prefer the command line)
05:45 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:45 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:45 VanessaE        not really, no
05:45 VanessaE        not familiar enough to really tell you much aboutit
05:46 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:46 VanessaE        and Synaptic for veterans?  not really.  just, experienced users who know what they're looking for or at least how to do decent searches.
05:46 VanessaE        yeah, I mostly focus on mods, very little engine work.
05:47 VanessaE        the only engine I work on is the one in my car, and I try to avoid that one, too :P
05:47 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:48 OldCoder        prestotron55, I will be free soon
05:48 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:49 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:50 proller         no.
05:50 OldCoder        prestotron55, ask
05:50 SirDigby        I use apt all the time
05:50 OldCoder        Is this about the C++ mods issue?
05:51 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:51 SirDigby        but I miss clicked on a hyper link on the elementary os update web site and it opened USC
05:51 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:51 proller         just being not stupid kid
05:52 SirDigby        BLASTED!
05:53 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:53 proller         you need 5-10-60 years to fix yourself
05:53 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:54 OldCoder        prestotron55, If Lua can link to external languages
05:54 kaeza           guise, pls take to PM kthx
05:54 OldCoder        I don't see why not
05:54 OldCoder        kaeza, do you know about the C++ mods issue?
05:54 kaeza           C++ mods?
05:54 OldCoder        Scroll up
05:54 OldCoder        Can Lua link to external libraries?
05:54 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:54 OldCoder        If so then the answer to his question is yes
05:55 kaeza           ah, yes it can
05:55 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:55 kaeza           but there's some magic due to Minetest not providing a Lua DLL
05:55 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:55 kaeza           or rather, not linking dynamically with Lua
05:56 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:56 prestotron55    [deleted]
05:56 prestotron55    [deleted]
06:20 prestotron55    [deleted]
06:25 Hirato_         um... oretty sure minetst links against luajit
06:27 VanessaE        Hirato_: different issue entirely
06:27 VanessaE        (sorry I missed the question... was busy)
09:33 Megaf           Hi all
09:33 VanessaE        hi
09:36 MinetestBot     GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fixed minetest reliable udp implementation (compatible to old clients) 9edb91da57 2014-01-10T01:10:45-08:00 http://git.io/MjwDzw
09:36 MinetestBot     GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Make MutexQueue use jsemaphore for signaling 8b0b857eaa 2014-01-10T01:10:45-08:00 http://git.io/MHBDYA
11:18 jp              Hello world.
11:18 VanessaE        hi
11:19 jp              Hey Xiong ;)
11:20 jp              You were wrong. LG.us is NOT dead ;)
11:21 jp              Hope you have seen the last updates.
11:29 xiong           Was dead, now back, I guess.
11:30 xiong           You know I lose half my interest in a world whenever the rules are changed. It seems such an underhanded and willful thing to do.
11:31 xiong           When Athens goes live it will be enjoyable play and it will be *stable*. If you build something today it will work as long as we decide to keep the world going.
11:32 * xiong         eats
11:35 jp              Athens ? Your world-server ?
11:37 jp              In otherwise, the rules have to change, it's called "evolution". And not a reactionary attitude...
11:38 xyz             http://i.imgur.com/tz5Sw9v.png
14:03 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
14:03 PenguinDad      hi PilzAdam
14:05 VanessaE        hi
14:05 SirDigby        This is a right crap day for a birthday
14:06 VanessaE        why?
14:06 SirDigby        freezing rain and sleet
14:06 VanessaE        ew
14:06 SirDigby        on top of already 3 feet of frozen snow
14:07 SirDigby        just 4 days ago it was -20 and now its 35?
14:07 VanessaE        not much different from here
14:07 SirDigby        welcome back 1983
14:07 VanessaE        was -18C, now it's +8 two days later.
14:08 VanessaE        (-1, +46 F)
14:17 SirDigby        Pimp my house! http://i.imgur.com/i8AFzKD.png      |     http://i.imgur.com/zEi7Nur.png
14:18 VanessaE        interesting design :)
14:19 SirDigby        thanks
14:20 SirDigby        This map dosn't have reed/payrus
14:21 SirDigby        I use that for interior decorating.
14:22 SirDigby        I put a light block as a floor block, then put sandstone on top of it and a arrangement and then reed on top of that.
14:22 SirDigby        I think it looks nice and it gives off ambient lighting
14:24 VanessaE        nice
14:48 xyz             http://superuser.com/questions/698312/if-32-bit-machines-can-only-handle-numbers-up-to-232-why-can-i-write-100000000
14:51 Hirato_         lol
16:24 EvergreenTree   o/
16:25 * EvergreenTree pokes Jordach
16:33 * sfan5         puts a kitten on EvergreenTree's head
16:33 sfan5           hi everyone
16:33 * VanessaE      looks in
16:33 VanessaE        hi all
16:33 * EvergreenTree strokes the kitten
16:33 EvergreenTree   Hi
16:33 EvergreenTree   I'm getting the components for my new computer
16:33 VanessaE        (hi all who just joined that is)
16:34 EvergreenTree   ^ like me
16:36 SirDigby        What did you go with?
16:36 EvergreenTree   mkay, here is the pcpartpicker list
16:37 EvergreenTree   http://pcpartpicker.com/user/EvergreenTree/saved/33ms
16:37 EvergreenTree   not the best, but it will be fine for me
16:37 SirDigby        Are you sure about that mb
16:38 SirDigby        Every time I buy a 50 dollar mb from asrock it fails in 3 months
16:39 SirDigby        not to mention it's a 760.
16:39 EvergreenTree   the mb is kind of a changable point
16:39 SirDigby        right.
16:39 EvergreenTree   It doesn't have to be the final one
16:40 EvergreenTree   yay, for hardware talk on #minetest
16:41 SirDigby        That gskill is a really good deal.
16:41 Jordach         o/
16:42 EvergreenTree   yep
16:42 SirDigby        I just put in the order from them as I'm building a new pc aswell
16:42 SirDigby        I'm going back and fourth on am3+ or fm2+ and wait till the 14th
16:43 SirDigby        brb, dog needs out
16:43 sfan5           EvergreenTree: y u no ssd?
16:44 EvergreenTree   I will add that later
16:44 EvergreenTree   I'm running on a fairly slow 30gb hard drive right now
16:44 * sfan5         wishes there were laptops (not expensive) with interchangeable gfx-card
16:44 EvergreenTree   I imagine I'll get a 64gb ssd for the operating system install, as well as programs
16:45 VanessaE        64gb is too small
16:45 sfan5           nah
16:45 VanessaE        not because it is inadequately sized for storage
16:45 sfan5           64GB is more than enough for windows and a few programs
16:45 VanessaE        but because you want to have LOTS of runoff space for re-allocated blocks over time
16:45 VanessaE        nonononono
16:45 sfan5           s/windows/windows or linux/
16:45 VanessaE        I said not for storage
16:45 EvergreenTree   128gb then?
16:46 VanessaE        but for reallocated blocks
16:46 VanessaE        128 oughta do
16:46 sfan5           but 128 is more expensive
16:46 VanessaE        the bigger the drive, the more of it the manufacturer will reserve for bad blocks.  similar to a HDD but more critical for an SSD.
16:46 EvergreenTree   LIke I said, surving on a 30gb hdd right now
16:46 EvergreenTree   *surviving
16:46 EvergreenTree   should be more than enough for me
16:47 xyz             buy a 3 tb hdd
16:47 EvergreenTree   plus, I already have a 1tb external drive
16:47 VanessaE        128GB seems to be around the sweet spot for ssd at the moment
16:48 VanessaE        160 was when I bought my last one.
16:51 xyz             https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=125241#p125241
16:51 VanessaE        er make that 120 for mine
16:51 VanessaE        (why do I keep calling it 160?)
16:51 VanessaE        EvergreenTree: I have one of these:  http://3btech.net/much12sa6gso.html
16:51 xyz             he forgot to add a note about dragon dildos
16:52 EvergreenTree   Samsung MZ-7TE120BW	840 EVO looks like a pretty good ssd to me
16:53 VanessaE        I heard the 840 is pretty good yeah
16:54 EvergreenTree   lunch, brb
16:56 xyz             I have 840 pro, it's good
16:57 rubenwardy      Hi all
17:01 xyz             http://i.imgur.com/bE2nRXn.png
17:06 Exio4           xyz: why not 4tb hdd
17:07 xyz             i thought those are still overpriced
17:08 xyz             but sure, why not
17:09 Exio4           i need moar hdd though
17:10 Exio4           15G~ free right now
17:10 Exio4           /dev/sda4       756G  742G   15G  99% /home
17:10 BlockMen        hi
17:10 Exio4           hey BlockMen!
17:11 VanessaE        I guess I just don't need as much... heh.  60G free on home, 6.2 on /, 319 on data, and another 18G + 1.7 TB on the server.
17:12 xyz             http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ybhAHTcK
17:15 BlockMen        Sam makes selfies now http://i.imgur.com/MaxX7LV.png :P
17:18 xyz             cool, now remove this crosshair
17:19 BlockMen        in front view, yeah
17:21 markveidemanis  Hi
17:22 markveidemanis  My website at marktest.co.uk weighs 225kb on first load and 9kb on second, why?
17:22 xyz             because of css and js
17:22 markveidemanis  xchat doesnt need a protocol to parse a link :)
17:22 xyz             and images, too
17:23 markveidemanis  So all of that is cached?
17:23 markveidemanis  is 225 big for a page?
17:23 VanessaE        xyz: forums seem to be having problems...
17:23 xyz             no
17:24 xyz             please do research before reporting stuff like that
17:25 markveidemanis  me?
17:25 xyz             sfan5: http://i.imgur.com/8A270Zj.png
17:25 xyz             no, VE
17:25 markveidemanis  k
17:25 markveidemanis  I asked a question i could have googled too...
17:26 nore            BlockMen, is 3d person view for merge in the engine?
17:27 BlockMen        nore, in general yes, but it needs still a lot improvement before ready for
17:28 xyz             like what?
17:32 BlockMen        xyz, better camera positioning when new pos is a node, function to register player controled animations (walking, digging, etc) and tweaking at all
17:32 xyz             register player controled animations?
17:35 BlockMen        to prevent animation lags the animations are set by controls pressed. since mt allows other models (than the default one) you need to tell the client the animation ranges for that
17:36 xyz             hmm, I see, so now it only works with default model?
17:36 BlockMen        yes, and to change that the function ;)
17:52 sapier          and animation<->control mapping would be hardcoded
18:10 iqualfragile    VanessaE: what has happened to the crossing tubes?
18:10 nore            iqualfragile, why?
18:10 iqualfragile    i do not see them in the craftguide anymore
18:10 nore            they still are there, only changed textures
18:11 nore            iqualfragile, it looks like thet were not cratable
18:11 nore            +f
18:12 iqualfragile    nore: notify me when its back
18:12 iqualfragile    (in git, using git anyways)
18:12 nore            VanessaE, ^
18:13 VanessaE        what'd I do?
18:13 nore            dunno, add any craftrecipe
18:14 VanessaE        gimme a sec.
18:16 VanessaE        hm
18:16 MinetestBot     GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix check for max_fd == -1 should actually be max_fd != -1 3bbd280336 2014-01-10T10:19:16-08:00 http://git.io/pSPoIA
18:16 VanessaE        no recipe indeed
18:16 VanessaE        well, easily fixed.
18:16 nore            https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=125272#p125272 <-- ehmmm... strange, and the 2 following posts too
18:16 nore            can you understand something?
18:17 VanessaE        not a clue
18:17 VanessaE        looks like gibberish to me
18:17 nore            (google translate detects english...)
18:17 sfan5           xyz: wat is that?
18:18 xyz             sfan5: sakura trick
18:18 Jordach         what if i told you that autocrafters can build autocrafers which can be deployed and then turned into an autocrafter autocrafter
18:19 Jordach         fucking grey goo theory right there :D
18:19 VanessaE        nore: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6727996/
18:19 VanessaE        look good?
18:19 nore            yep
18:22 sfan5           xyz: ah ok, I haven't browsed /a/ yet today so I didn't know
18:22 xyz             sfan5: that's good
18:23 sfan5           oh hey look another DAL thread
18:23 xyz             http://i.imgur.com/oj4xF11.png
18:24 sfan5           they already had one yesterday
18:24 xyz             never would've thought people actually complain about JS
18:25 xyz             sfan5: that's how it works
18:25 sfan5           >Maybe it should have been named Tohka thread instead. Having a thread purely devoted to Tohka might not be so bad every once in a while.
18:25 sfan5           that didn't happen once yet (I think)
18:25 rubenwardy      JS is good
18:27 BlockMen        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjy-z8X3JT8 :)
18:27 sfan5           wow someone posted a youtube link with https :D
18:27 sfan5           !title
18:27 MinetestBot     sfan5: Minetest - 3rd person + front view - YouTube
18:28 xyz             why do [almost] all Minetest videos have shitty recording? ;(
18:28 BlockMen        i uploaded 720p, if shitty quality then its youtubes fault
18:29 rubenwardy      It is in 720p
18:29 rubenwardy      ProTip: See cog in bottom-right
18:29 rubenwardy      bye all
18:29 BlockMen        bye
18:30 xyz             i'm talking about fps
18:30 xyz             it's less than 24 it seems
18:31 BlockMen        xyz, it wasnt. maybe my recording software isnt best :\
18:31 sfan5           BlockMen: use ffmpeg
18:31 xyz             videos should be at least 24 frames per second, this way the brain will be able to interpret it not as a sequence of frames, but as a video
18:32 xyz             BlockMen: use simplescreenrecorder
18:32 PenguinDad      or vokoscreen
18:32 xyz             it's easy to use and fast, and has sane defaults
18:33 nore            to any wiki moderator: http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&curid=499&diff=2067&oldid=2066 (and could you ban the IP too?)
18:33 BlockMen        except ffmpeg it sounds like linux stuff
18:33 BlockMen        *linux only
18:33 xyz             are you using windows?
18:34 BlockMen        is that something new?!
18:36 xyz             yes, I kind of hoped everyone here used linux
18:36 xyz             for windows, I'm sure there are proper tools to record the screen, but they probably cost money
18:37 BlockMen        nore, done
18:37 nore            good
18:37 BlockMen        xyz, if that would be the case you wouldnt have to provide win builds :P
18:38 BlockMen        and yes, but i dont want pay 30$ for a recording software
18:38 xyz             "everyone here"
18:38 xyz             well then nothing can be done
18:38 BlockMen        exactly ;)
18:38 xyz             but that doesn't mean I'll stop complaining
18:40 BlockMen        im fine with that.
18:41 * BlockMen      is afk
19:01 onpon4          This is really weird: as of Minetest 0.4.9, I can't enable the Inventory++ mod in the menu; any time I click "save", it always gets disabled (and only that specific mod, as far as I'm aware). I'm able to enable it by manually editing the file, though. Weird, and kind of annoying.
19:03 Peacock         stick to even numbered releases, the odd numbered ones are historically trouble :P (045,047, etc. )
19:04 iqualfragile    VanessaE: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commit/876c172a54b6dbf3f2bb412183d7acd27ccddae6 srsly?
19:04 iqualfragile    output = "homedecor:plastic_shcurl_parallel_limit = 32eeting",
19:04 sapier          :-)
19:05 sapier          guess vanessaE did some ctrl-v in wrong place
19:05 iqualfragile    sapier: would guess middleclick
19:05 sapier          or middle mouse button
19:09 Peacock         shcurl also sounds like some sort of weird pastry
19:09 specing         proller: what did you do to wheat again?
19:09 specing         add temperature?
19:09 Peacock         "whats for breakfast?" "shcurl and quassels!" :P
19:09 specing         at what temperatures does it grow now?
19:10 proller         +3
19:10 iqualfragile    VanessaE: hurrdurr fiiiixx
19:16 nore            iqualfragile, http://git.io/NZJwkg
19:16 iqualfragile    good, thanks
19:17 xyz             hey YOUR COMMIT MESSAGE IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND
19:17 xyz             this is UNACCEPTABLE
19:18 nore            xyz, what commit message would you write for that?
19:19 xyz             all those messages were a parody
19:19 nore            I know... but the question is still there
19:19 nore            (I tried to find a funnier and more original message, but I wasn't able to)
19:21 FreeFull        VanessaE: Do you not review your commits before you push them?
19:21 iqualfragile    nore: detector tubes do not seem to work properly
19:21 iqualfragile    they give reeealy short signals
19:21 nore            why? what happens?
19:21 nore            yes, I know
19:21 nore            these are pulses
19:22 nore            (so you can count the number of items, etc)
19:22 nore            (well, they are a bit longer than pulses)
19:47 Robby           is there a way for admins to open steel doors?
19:47 Robby           owned by others
19:47 Robby           without needing to noclip
19:49 EvergreenTree   I imagine a mod could me made to do that
19:50 EvergreenTree   *be
19:50 iqualfragile    nore: well, they are too slow to extend a piston
19:50 iqualfragile    *short
19:51 nore            iqualfragile, add a memory then
19:51 iqualfragile    whats the sanest way of getting them to be a bit longer?
19:51 nore            (or use several gates to delay them, and OR all the results)
19:51 iqualfragile    urgh
20:18 iqualfragile    VanessaE: nore atm filters output everywhere, not just at the back, will this be changed in the future? if not could connection-indicators be added to the sides?
20:19 nore            what do you mean, output everywhere?
20:21 nore            iqualfragile, ^
20:21 iqualfragile    well, you can put a tube under a filter and items will go into that tube
20:21 nore            ???
20:26 nore            iqualfragile, could you try with that last commit please?
20:27 iqualfragile    nore: i liked that bug/feature :(
20:27 nore            anyway, gtg... bbl
20:28 nore            iqualfragile, it was a bug... now it is a fixed bug :p
20:28 nore            (as a positive point, items take now less time to leave)
20:28 nore            bye
20:29 iqualfragile    by nore
20:32 EvergreenTree   (\ Calinou
20:32 * Calinou       brohooves EvergreenTree
20:45 iqualfragile    EvergreenTree: does trash_can support pipeworks?
20:49 Peacock         what's a "brohooves", some sort of inappropriate touching?
20:55 SirDigby        clop things
20:58 xyz             n.) A high-five between two males who watch the show, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, due to any aspect, win, meme, etc. regarding said television show.
20:59 iqualfragile    xyz: i want to scrub of my eyes with an iron sponge, now!
21:01 * sfan5         taps Calinou
21:02 xyz             http://53rg10.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/vivid-red_ep01-17.png :^)
21:04 iqualfragile    is there some way to read the meta of nodes?
21:05 xyz             explain
21:05 VanessaE        sorry I was afk...  FreeFull yes I normally do check, but how the hell that copy&paste error got in there I have no clue at all
21:06 kaeza           greetings
21:08 VanessaE
21:08 iqualfragile    xyz: well, nodes have metadata, is there some way to read that ingame?
21:09 kaeza           get_meta(pos) ?
21:09 VanessaE        .0+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
21:09 Peacock         i think V segfaulted :/
21:10 Peacock         check her pull requests, there'll probably be copypasta from the chat :p
21:10 VanessaE        oops :)
21:10 VanessaE        bbl
21:17 xyz             http://icelord.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/180184_1845608664750_1376666074_32119097_4232883_n.jpg
21:18 ShadowNinja     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=125268#p125268 ??
21:19 EvergreenTree   iqualfragile, not yet
21:19 EvergreenTree   I think something like an incinerator would be cool
21:20 Peacock         to stick players in?
21:20 EvergreenTree   lol
21:21 Peacock         i really wish though the server had some sort of disconnect on x idle though
21:21 EvergreenTree   you're an endless source of forums signatures Peacock
21:21 Peacock         seriously ive spotted a few people using the ridiculous things i say as signatures :P
21:22 EvergreenTree   like me?
21:22 EvergreenTree   :P
21:22 xyz             people are really strange
21:22 Peacock         i noticed sfan (proprietary hoes) and kaeza (michael jackson/white woman), what did you use?
21:23 xyz             some fall so low they use what I say as signature
21:23 EvergreenTree   <Peacock> "whats for breakfast?" "shcurl and quassels!" :P
21:23 EvergreenTree   plus some context
21:23 Peacock         oh lol that's fresh
21:23 EvergreenTree   yop
21:23 Peacock         no wonder i didn't notice lol
21:24 sfan5           xyz: well.. what you said was absolutly right.. so I though I'd use it
21:25 xyz             http://i.imgur.com/bZ2tkqb.png
21:26 xyz             from forum
21:26 sfan5           burningsvideo looks best
21:27 xyz             no, actually, both software renderers looks like shit
21:27 Peacock         <xyz> well, I guess Microsoft is better at drawing cute girls than making web browsers, oh i don't know... http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6726/saintignucius.jpg :P
21:28 sfan5           but the water is weird in software
21:29 xyz             Peacock: uhhhh?
21:29 Peacock         lol
21:29 xyz             this is disturbing
21:29 xyz             please stop posting pictures like this here
21:29 Peacock         thats what i though lol
21:30 BlockMen        bye
21:30 xyz             I've wasted 5 hours yesterday compiling Freeminer for windows as a fully static binary
21:31 xyz             how stupid is that?
21:32 proller         99%
21:33 proller         1% = experience
21:50 iqualfragile    EvergreenTree: please add that feature, i need to get rid of *some* cobblestone in my system
21:51 EvergreenTree   when I have time, I'll try
21:53 Calinou         iqualfragile, /pulverize while holding in hand
21:53 iqualfragile    Calinou: you know, i have like 8 chests
21:53 iqualfragile    but you are invited to join my server and do that by hand
21:53 Calinou         do it with the help of console
21:56 sfan5           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8255
21:56 sfan5           my guide to tell that things will fail:
21:56 sfan5           * they are announced
21:57 sfan5           * made by people who are new / haven't contributed something useful yet
21:57 sfan5           [EOF]
21:57 xyz             after some messages he's not so certain
21:57 xyz             > Still, I want to do this, plus add a few of my own features maybe... Like custom mods or something....
21:58 xyz             sfan5: nah, you're just fucking jelly
21:59 sfan5           yeah sure
22:01 zat             Seriously try to make the server faster. I gave up trying to set up my own minetest server.
22:02 zat             It works acceptable, still hanging sometimes, only in my laptop.
22:02 zat             And note, this is my laptop: https://www.asus.com/ROG_ROG/G75VW/#specifications
22:04 markveidemanis  Hi
22:05 markveidemanis  I have simple, perfectly timed, stable videos, MovieMaker or After Effects or is there a better one
22:07 kaeza           can't parse that
22:07 zat             Please kaesa... you have to pick one of simple, perfectly timed, stable videos, MovieMaker or After Effects.
22:08 zat             Compare to your knowledge base and suggest the best one you know of.
22:08 zat             kaeza*
22:08 kaeza           sat :P
22:09 zat             :( He left and it was not my fault.
22:09 kaeza           oh you made him leave :(
22:09 zat             :(
22:09 zat             sat... like Chilesat.
22:09 * sfan5         puts a kitten on zat's head
22:10 proller         zat, now only one way available for making server faster ;)
22:10 zat             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zo71Hg_7mA
22:10 sfan5           !title
22:10 MinetestBot     sfan5: Spot 171 de Chilesat - YouTube
22:10 zat             proller: freeminer was faster but not enough.
22:10 MinetestBot     GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #138 from ShadowNinja/split_textures c067e52714 2014-01-10T14:10:20-08:00 http://git.io/60Jr6Q
22:10 MinetestBot     GIT: ShadowNinja commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Move textures into their mods de6dd30745 2014-01-10T10:13:02-08:00 http://git.io/aEeykw
22:11 proller         zat, you need to rewrite 10% of code to make faster
22:11 zat             I would rather made a new game. :D
22:12 proller         its much longer and low chance to success
22:12 zat             With all the knowledge obtained so far, is time to begin a complete code rewrite.
22:12 zat             It is my opinion...
22:12 proller         okay, start it
22:12 zat             From someone who has been only three or four months in here.
22:13 MinetestBot     GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add dummy mesecons_commandblock/init.lua as we keep the textures in that folder 7517cc4af1 2014-01-10T14:13:07-08:00 http://git.io/FTTLEA
22:14 proller         complete rewrite can take 6-12 work months
22:15 zat             not necessarily
22:15 zat             it can take more
22:15 zat             :D!!!!!!!
22:15 sfan5           >Shaders are laggy, too, so there's a setting for it. If you write the code into c++, it would lag less
22:15 proller         yes, its minimum
22:15 sfan5           oh yes of course, because your cpu can do graphics operations way faster thab your GPU
22:16 proller         need to rewrite farmesh feature
22:16 zat             Know what... using bullet for collissions would be nice.
22:18 xyz             zat: when rewriting don't forget to choose a proper language!
22:20 zat             xyz: like java or python?
22:21 xyz             dunno!
22:21 xyz             there're so many awesome languages, choosing something boring like C++ would be a mistake!
22:21 xyz             how about haskell?
22:21 PilzAdam        brainfuck?
22:21 zat             ada
22:24 xyz             could work
22:24 xyz             or lua
22:24 zat             sure
22:24 xyz             we already know that lua-c++ calls take the most time
22:24 zat             the opengl renderer can be in lua
22:24 xyz             just rewrite everything into lua
22:24 xyz             problem solved!
22:25 zat             or lua shaders
22:25 PilzAdam        Lua also doesnt need to be compiled
22:25 zat             right
22:25 xyz             http://luagl.sourceforge.net/
22:25 xyz             it's also very portable
22:25 zat             I can port the rollback to pure lua
22:25 zat             everything from memory
22:25 xyz             and you get mod support for free
22:25 xyz             see, the possibilities!
22:25 zat             yes I imagine
22:25 zat             I just had an imagination overflow.
22:27 xyz             and it's simple, so you'll easily get a lot of contributors
22:28 xyz             no need to recompile the whole project when you change a single header file as well
22:30 xyz             well the only problem is that there's no threading
22:32 zat             threading is an old concept just like C and C++.
22:32 xyz             I guess you can just write another app which will, say, generate a map
22:32 sapier1         noone needs threading in time of multicore g/cpu's any longer ;-)
22:33 xyz             this will work pretty much like Minetest now does
22:33 sapier          I don't think so
22:33 zat             the app can communicate via dbus
22:33 zat             that would be an improvement, it would be code independent
22:33 xyz             hm.. I wanted to suggest json
22:33 sapier          minetest uses typically 280% for me so it's using at least 3 cores
22:33 xyz             sapier: yes, there are multiple emerge threads
22:34 xyz             and client and server
22:34 sapier          true client as well as server consume 100% each
22:34 xyz             but other than that?
22:34 sapier          emerge thread, communication, whatever
22:35 xyz             also I think that this split to send/receive thread is stupid
22:35 sapier          you mentioned that multiple times but as far as I remember you didn't give a real reason for it
22:35 xyz             it gives no benefits
22:35 Calinou         xyz, luaGL is 1.3 only...
22:35 xyz             it adds a lot of locks
22:36 Calinou         would make it very limited :P
22:36 sapier          what abot the benefit to block both threads waiting for incoming data not having to loop at all if nothing happens?
22:37 xyz             what about it?
22:37 sapier          as well as reduced communication jitter
22:37 sapier          already two benefits
22:38 xyz             I didn't understand this "not having to loop" thing, can you explain?
22:38 sapier          and I wouldn't consider TWO locks to be "a lot"
22:38 xyz             and jitter? what about it? how exactly does this improve my experience as a player?
22:39 sapier          send thread can wait in request queue semaphore while receive thread hangs in select they don't have to check anything in loop
22:39 xyz             you always love to say strange words and operate with numbers
22:39 sapier          actullally you see the improvements by reduced effect of other players actions to your connection
22:41 sapier          e.g. on a single thread incoming as well as outgoing data to another client will have direct effect on your communication ... by split threads data beeing sent to another client wont delay your data beeing sent to server
22:41 xyz             "data"
22:41 xyz             this "data" has to be processed by server
22:41 xyz             which is single-threaded anyway
22:41 sapier          no it may already be queued
22:42 xyz             yes, and you don't win anything if it's queued
22:42 sapier          so a full send queue will delay your incoming data on single threaded design
22:43 sapier          you do as your incomming data is handled immediatly while only the answer may experience effect of the send queue, as you still have a guaranteed send window for your client you have a limited effect on send side
22:44 sapier          of course it's not zero ... but it's not as big as having the effect on both sides
22:44 proller         how much lag you remove by splitting thread?
22:44 proller         more than 10ns?
22:44 sapier          as of downloading lots of media it's been seconds
22:45 proller         WHAT
22:46 PilzAdam        also node and item definition sending in singleplayer are noticeable faster
22:46 sapier          another question how to get reliable rtt and jitter information from enet
22:46 proller         did you know how networking works?
22:46 proller         PilzAdam, in 2x
22:46 proller         PilzAdam, fm make it 5x faster
22:47 proller         and 40x faster for singleplayer
22:47 sapier          it's been 3 times this evening ;-P
22:47 proller         without splitting
22:47 proller         its flowing
22:47 proller         1.5-3x
22:47 proller         no more stable speed
22:48 PilzAdam        proller, how have you meaasured it?
22:48 proller         try to make thread for every client
22:48 xyz             sapier: awesome
22:48 proller         PilzAdam, i have sand clock
22:48 xyz             so I send my packet to server and receive thread processes it
22:48 xyz             but then it has to send ACK, what thread does this?
22:49 proller         sapier, why you need rtt and jitter?
22:49 PilzAdam        proller, so you basically just imagined these values?
22:49 sapier          the ack is directly queued and sent withing your peers contingent which is what I said about send queue still has limited effect
22:49 proller         of course
22:49 proller         also fm is 500x better.
22:51 sapier          so proller what do you intend to tell us? I'm glad for you beeng that proud of your own work, but I don't know what this helps for minetest?
22:52 proller         top servers on freeminer, MT users have faster connection to them
22:53 sapier          there's room for improvement in my fixes for sure, windows sizes as well as dynamic window size adjustment can be done more sophisticated
22:53 proller         dont forget tcp!
22:53 zat             I have tried freeminer and I agree that it is faster, sapier, why not taking a look at the improvements and porting them to minetest?
22:53 sapier          limit of 512 bytes per packet (complying to ipv4) could be adjusted to ipv6 specification
22:53 proller         because they only 10 lines long
22:54 sapier          some other things could be done too
22:54 proller         you cant increase 512 limit
22:54 sapier          zat you assume I didn't try to do this, I did for sure but without explanation they're worthless
22:54 proller         without broke old clients
22:55 zat             I dont assume I just suggest.
22:55 proller         explanation: freeminer improvements make game faster
22:55 sapier          I can't increase it due to 512 bytes beeing ipv4 standard limitation if you don't comply to it your protocol has to activly determine current path mtu
22:55 zat             sapier: what things are worthless?
22:55 sapier          best code is wothless if you can't use it due to missing documentation
22:56 zat             sapier: well, contact the author.
22:56 xyz             you didn't even try
22:56 proller         minetest code is 99% worthless
22:56 xyz             i understand the hate
22:56 sapier          I did multiple times
22:56 xyz             no, you didn't
22:57 * xyz           knows very well how to win an internet argument
22:57 kahrl           minetest 69% faster if merge this https://gist.github.com/kahrl/8364329
22:57 PilzAdam        answers like <proller>  explanation: freeminer improvements make game faster   or <proller> minetest code is 99% worthless  are pretty cool
22:57 sapier          see irc logs you'll find multiple times I said proller to improve and explain
22:58 sapier          I don't wanna waste any more time on this discussion, rewriting all the old arguments which didn't bring us forward in past too
22:58 xyz             oh well
22:58 xyz             I agree, better write the code than arguments
22:58 xyz             more code, sometimes better code
22:58 zat             sapier: but have you found out what changes have made freeminer faster?
22:59 proller         ... all changes ;)
22:59 proller         except new awesome menu
22:59 sapier          you said you wont help merging the freeminer features back to minetest, I'm fine with it don't expect us to do all the cleanup work left by your (sometimes partial) implementations
23:00 xyz             i can assist you
23:00 sapier          you said completely different only days ago xyz
23:00 xyz             git remote add -f freeminer https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer.git; git merge freeminer/master
23:01 xyz             that's it! all new features
23:01 sapier          I'm glad if you try to help but still we can't just merge freeminer to master
23:01 xyz             your problem D:
23:01 PilzAdam        do all FM devs get a crash course at trolling?
23:01 proller         8)
23:01 sapier          we need to take the features one by one
23:01 xyz             the code is here
23:01 xyz             we don't stop you from using it
23:01 zat             sapier is right about that
23:01 xyz             (although I wanted to relicense the source under GPLv3)
23:02 xyz             still
23:02 sapier          if you do it this way you can do for sure but it'd be end of merge
23:02 xyz             if nothing is ever merged then there's no need for LGPL
23:02 proller         sapier, you need make split diff line-by line and commit every line separate
23:02 xyz             so nothing will change
23:02 zat             I have read that a lot of people hate GPLv3
23:02 zat             for some reason
23:03 zat             I think it has something to do with contributions.
23:03 xyz             yep
23:03 sapier          gplv3 is useless for commercial usage
23:03 PilzAdam        kahrl, D: it crashes!
23:03 xyz             you can hate it for many reasons
23:03 xyz             sapier: no, that's not true
23:03 proller         MT  is useless for commercial usage too [in next 5-10 years]
23:03 kahrl           I can play a bit if I use --disable-unittests
23:03 PilzAdam        I get 00:02:59: ERROR[EmergeThread4]: Blank block data in database (data == NULL || len == 0) (-3,0,3)
23:03 kahrl           dang
23:03 xyz             PilzAdam: disable emerge
23:04 sapier          it is, you won't get a lawyer to agree to include any gplv3 software to your product
23:04 xyz             game too fast
23:04 xyz             emerge can't keep up
23:04 xyz             too slow
23:04 PilzAdam        what do I comment out?
23:04 xyz             hm, not sure, since it'll need to somehow load blocks
23:04 xyz             well, no blocks == no lags
23:05 xyz             sapier: yeah, it totally depends on how you use it
23:05 xyz             sapier: still, my point is that you can earn money with gpl-d software
23:05 xyz             it's hard, but possible
23:06 xyz             i.e. dosbox turbo for android
23:07 PilzAdam        I saw a world for a second!
23:07 xyz             it's too fast
23:08 PilzAdam        yea, you can finish the game in one second, no need to play longer
23:08 PilzAdam        I wonder if I screwed up any of my worlds...
23:09 proller         why developer need to play longer?
23:12 PilzAdam        bye
23:21 specing         proller: status @ road?
23:22 proller         wow
23:22 proller         mapping..
23:23 proller         http://minetest.setun.net/map.road/map-road.png
23:23 kaeza           s/m/f/
23:23 proller         maybe you in main mountain
23:24 specing         the green means ungenerated? or just same-height land?
23:24 proller         mapper bug
23:25 proller         you at 30%
23:26 specing         am I ever going to break to clear at 400 height or should I make some stairs?
23:26 specing         I gave up jumping on falling dirt and started smashing through
23:27 proller         need to fix bed
23:27 proller         top pont is.. very high
23:27 proller         top point
23:27 proller         and far from you
23:28 specing         so I should make stairs
23:28 pitriss         Hi I want to know what means Far flag in server list? It is not mentioned in legend.
23:28 specing         also... how high? 5000 heigh... or 40000 heigh?
23:28 proller         more than 10000
23:29 specing         ah thats still manageable
23:29 proller         nobody know how much exactly
23:29 proller         and where end
23:32 Peacock         busy night for servers, you'd think most people would be out fridays
23:34 specing         proller: is that straight line near the guy "io" @ middle a tunnel?
23:38 proller         what?
23:38 test__          hi
23:38 proller         its bridge
23:38 test__          what is the deepest mining level ?
23:41 VanessaE        -30912
23:41 specing         proller: ah k
23:41 test__          I have the intuition it is near infinite
23:42 VanessaE        test__: it does down to -30912.
23:42 test__          wow ok thanks