Time  Nick             Message
00:00 Jordach          happy new jan 3rd 2014 :)
00:00 Jordach          for gmt+0er's
00:04 blaise           so.. it turns out Irrlicht will not compile with mesa-10.0.x
00:04 blaise           just fyi
00:04 blaise           lmao
00:07 jin_xi           ok, ended up just making crosshair black via conf
00:07 blaise           ok, so if I want to install mods on my deticated minetest server.. where might the mods dir be located?
00:07 PilzAdam         run in place or system-wide installed?
00:07 blaise           system-wide
00:08 PilzAdam         in ~/.minetest/mods/
00:08 PilzAdam         (you have to create that directory)
00:08 blaise           yeah, if I were running the client..
00:08 blaise           but what about the server
00:08 PilzAdam         eh, what=
00:08 PilzAdam         *?
00:08 blaise           dedicated minetest server mods dir?
00:09 blaise           /usr/share/games/minetest/games/minimal/mods/
00:09 PilzAdam         ~/.minetest/mods/
00:09 blaise           found it
00:09 blaise           I think
00:09 PilzAdam         no, thats wrong
00:09 PilzAdam         dont put mods in the game
00:10 blaise           mkdir -p /home/minetest/.minetest/mods
00:10 blaise           and put them there?
00:10 PilzAdam         yea
00:11 blaise           is there a way to specify mods dir?
00:11 blaise           my minetest user doesn't currently have a home dir for security reasons.. and shell=/dev/null
00:11 blaise           :)
00:12 PilzAdam         maybe /usr/share/games/minetest/mods/ works
00:14 blaise           I'm thinking so...
00:15 PilzAdam         remember to also enable the mods in world.mt in the world dir
00:24 aldobr           hi all
00:24 blaise           PilzAdam: thanks
00:29 KeyXMakerX       static_spawnpoint = Bla, bla, bla : to set a static spawn point correct?
00:30 PilzAdam         bye
00:31 Peacock          Noooooooooooooooooo!
00:33 paramat          he's gone to sit in some soil ... in the dark
00:34 Peacock          that reminds me of the expression: politicians are like mushrooms, keep'em in the dark and feed 'em shit lol
00:35 Peacock          more relevant than ever considering our local municipal politics here lol
00:35 Megaf            Hi all
00:36 Megaf            how do I gitclone this? https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-mods/tree/master/sethome
00:36 kaeza            git clone https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-mods.git
00:36 kaeza            then copy/symlink "sethome"
00:36 aldobr           what happens if i compile a 6502 emulator using a C compiler for 6502 ?!
00:37 Megaf            a black hole
00:38 aldobr           a ressonance cascade :P
00:38 Warr1024         on said emulator?
00:38 Warr1024         how do you think they compile gcc :-)
00:38 blaise           arg
00:41 Megaf            kaeza, not a good solution for me
00:41 kaeza            why?
00:42 Megaf            xyz, Would I be asking too much if you put sethome as its own mod, not in a modpack?
00:55 paramat          http://imgur.com/gallery/SXgcA hehe
01:04 paramat          Peacock http://i.imgur.com/gTgXF9B.png <stability mod> http://i.imgur.com/23xSywA.png moonrealm LVM> http://i.imgur.com/AZPxDxX.png
01:05 Peacock          no lines, weird
01:16 paramat          Pea ... i only get lines when processing and lowering terrain in mgv6, my realms are unaffected
01:32 blaise           apparently the dedicated useflag for gentoo with minetest is broken.
01:33 blaise           I did however find out where the mods dir needs to be.. /var/lib/minetest/.minetest/mods
01:33 blaise           :D
01:36 blaise           my question is.. if I install the mods to that dir, does any client that may connect to it have to have the mod? or is this only required server side?
01:37 blaise           or are there some mods that are just for the server and some mods just for the client?
01:39 Miner_48er       All mods are for the server. The only mod to the client is texture packs.
01:39 blaise           cool
01:39 VanessaE         Miner_48er: and sound packs
01:40 Miner_48er       haven't heard of any sound packs
01:40 WarrTab          Model packs?
01:40 VanessaE         technic's extension to the ambiance mod
01:40 VanessaE         it supplies music for the music player nodes
01:40 VanessaE         that is installable as a client-side sound pack
01:41 blaise           should I enable juajit?
01:41 blaise           what are the benifits of using juajit compiler ?
01:41 VanessaE         abso-fucking-lutely
01:42 VanessaE         it makes whatever mods you run locally in singleplayer work faster, take less CPU
01:42 WarrTab          It's like 3x as fast for certain mods...
01:42 VanessaE         JIT as in Just-in-Time (compiler)
01:42 blaise           so are there any benifits for a remote server to have juajit enabled?
01:43 VanessaE         no
01:43 blaise           k
01:43 VanessaE         it won't affect your play on servers
01:43 blaise           what about server preformance?
01:43 VanessaE         if you run a server, absolutely use it, yes
01:50 blaise           I would like to stres test my minetest server..
01:50 blaise           :D
01:52 hoodedice        I'm gonna kill anyone who says that Windows 8 is crap
01:52 blaise           lmao
01:52 blaise           hoodedice: why?
01:53 hoodedice        Because I love it
01:53 hoodedice        It's brillint and just works!
01:53 hoodedice        And internet explorer is finally fast and usable
01:53 hoodedice        All this is just like Xubuntu without the touch
01:54 hoodedice        Anyway, no one on>
01:54 blaise           hah
01:54 hoodedice        NekoGloopMkII!!
01:54 hoodedice        Soup?
01:55 * VanessaE       waits for the inevitable MkIV variant
01:55 hoodedice        Yo VanessaE
01:55 VanessaE         hi
01:55 hoodedice        Cleveland, OH
01:55 hoodedice        ^.^
01:56 hoodedice        College starts in 8 days
01:56 WarrTab          In my experience, comparing win8 to xubuntu is not really a good way to complement it...
01:56 hoodedice        (I'm finally gonna be a real programmer !!!)
01:56 blaise           would anyone be willing to connect to my minetest server to make sure it's able to be used from the WAN ?
01:57 hoodedice        To complement 8?
01:57 * blaise         's minetest server is at midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org
01:57 hoodedice        Dude, if any windows version is better than even Lubuntu
01:57 hoodedice        That version deserves a pat on the back
01:57 hoodedice        XP, 7, all pale in comparision to the mighty 8
01:57 blaise           hoodedice: the only *buntu derivitave I liked was linux mint
01:58 hoodedice        And while BS flies thru me mouth, people start to leave
01:58 hoodedice        XD
01:58 hoodedice        Anyway, the reason I came on was to scold the core devs
01:58 hoodedice        for releasing 0.4.9 too quick
01:59 hoodedice        No good comes from a rushed release.
01:59 katyusha         0.4.9 is already released?
01:59 hoodedice        BANG!
01:59 hoodedice        LOOK UP!
01:59 katyusha         Well I'll be damned lol
01:59 blaise           lol
01:59 katyusha         oh
02:00 katyusha         derp, I never look up at the titlebar
02:00 katyusha         I feel kinda dumb now
02:00 hoodedice        I check the forums quite frequently, so...
02:00 hoodedice        I only look *up there* for PilzAdam's jokes
02:00 blaise           :D
02:01 blaise           so, either no one can connect to my server.. or no one has tried..
02:01 blaise           :(
02:01 hoodedice        This isn't my laptop, so I can't
02:02 blaise           hoodedice: you should check out portableapps.com
02:02 blaise           you can have minetest on a flash drive so it won't modify the contents of the host computer
02:02 hoodedice        I'm thinking of getting a niccee USB
02:02 hoodedice        Yes, flash drive, sorry
02:03 hoodedice        Then I'll et up a portable xubuntu installation on it, thanks to john_minetest
02:03 katyusha         try debian instead :s
02:04 blaise           I'm rather partial to source based distro's
02:04 hoodedice        I like Xubuntu.
02:04 blaise           but if I need something binary, I always look to arch
02:04 katyusha         the stable version of debian would be easier on a flash drive imo because it doesn't update much
02:04 hoodedice        I don't have enough time to experiment around now
02:04 blaise           I don't like any *untu distro's at all
02:04 hoodedice        I can understand
02:05 katyusha         well that ^ not trying to be an ass but I don't really trust canonical...
02:05 blaise           but, portableapps.com will let you install apps to the flash drive.. and can be ran from the usb drive..
02:05 hoodedice        Nor do I, but Xubuntu's nice
02:05 Peacock          its a well known fact Mark Shuttlecock is the antichrist
02:05 hoodedice        Oh please
02:05 Peacock          lol
02:05 blaise           lmao
02:05 katyusha         Lennart Pothead
02:05 hoodedice        And I should listen to a random Peacock on the net
02:05 Peacock          Peacocks are the wisest of the birds
02:06 hoodedice        Indeed.
02:07 hoodedice        That's why random Pakistani drivers have seats covered with...
02:07 hoodedice        PEACOCK FEATHERS.
02:07 blaise           so, no one will connect to my server to test that it works externally?
02:07 hoodedice        I can't. Yet.
02:07 hoodedice        Post it in the forums
02:07 blaise           k
02:08 hoodedice        So...
02:08 hoodedice        Much...
02:08 hoodedice        Snow
02:09 Peacock          snow? its like -50c outside
02:09 Peacock          i went out for vitamins (beer) earlier, nasal hairs were frozen stiff
02:09 blaise           yeah, it's snowing pretty good here....
02:10 hoodedice        And here I am
02:11 hoodedice        Thinking -10 C is damn cold.
02:11 hoodedice        XD
02:11 hoodedice        Well I did walk 2 blocks in it, so I'm a hero!
02:11 Peacock          please lol you wanna know cold, try Russia or Canada :P
02:11 hoodedice        *I'm awesome!
02:11 hoodedice        Cleveland is pretty much Canada
02:11 hoodedice        XD
02:12 hoodedice        Just Eerie seperating the two
02:12 hoodedice        "Eerie" *Pfft*
02:12 Peacock          whats creepy about the separating the two?
02:12 hoodedice        Dude. Lame pun.
02:12 Peacock          lol
02:12 Peacock          well im pretty sure a few neurons froze on the way back lol
02:13 hoodedice        I still don't know who was drunk enough to name it that
02:13 hoodedice        Ah, my jokes do require
02:13 hoodedice        BRAINS.
02:13 Peacock          id like to meet the drunken idiot who started digging in the ice and decided to call it Canada XD
02:13 hoodedice        XD
02:14 hoodedice        I've seen enough 'Murica, and it's every bit of that lazy drunk slobbery country I thought it would be
02:14 Miner_48er       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada
02:15 hoodedice        Canada > Kanata > Village
02:15 hoodedice        *Pfft*
02:15 Peacock          that i knew :P
02:15 blaise           no one cares to connect to my minetest server..
02:15 * blaise         sobs profusely
02:15 Peacock          hell our own anglos can't even speak french, and we're officially a bilingual country, so never mind them having a clue about native languages XD
02:15 hoodedice        SHUT UP!
02:16 * blaise         eats hoodedice
02:16 hoodedice        We're discussing important stuf
02:16 hoodedice        So *ARRrghhh!!!!*
02:16 VanessaE         blaise: what's the address/port?]
02:16 * blaise         rolls his eyes so hard he cuts a backflip
02:16 blaise           VanessaE: midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org
02:16 blaise           VanessaE: I left the port default.. 30000
02:17 blaise           I haven't installed any mods at all yet
02:17 blaise           I just wanted to make sure it works first
02:17 VanessaE         it works.
02:17 VanessaE         I'm in
02:17 VanessaE         and rather quickly too
02:17 hoodedice        OK peeps
02:17 hoodedice        G2G
02:17 hoodedice        VanessaE: Why was this version released so early?
02:18 Peacock          haven't checked my server in a while
02:18 Peacock          ah yes, lava! quelle surprise
02:18 hoodedice        lol
02:19 VanessaE         hoodedice: because random "must be new years release!!!!!111111one"
02:19 VanessaE         meanwhile they missed the new year's deadline
02:19 Peacock          well people did manage to take down one of the force fields trapping them lol
02:19 hoodedice        With bugs
02:19 hoodedice        OFC
02:19 Peacock          the ferengi love bugs, it must be a ferengi release :P
02:19 hoodedice        Bah. Minetest is indeed developed by a bunch of lunatics
02:20 Peacock          autism isn't the same as lunacy :P
02:20 VanessaE         blaise:  https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory
02:22 blaise           awesome..
02:34 VanessaE         blaise:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3587  ~~  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7239
02:37 VanessaE         (links posted here because minetest's clipboard is STILL busted on linux and NO I am not gonna install some random clipboard manager just to make a basic function like that work properly)
02:37 Peacock          lol dont worry, they havent fixed the failed to allocate player thing either :P
02:38 Peacock          they could release a new version every two days and we'd still have most of the same bugs in a year :P
02:42 blaise           eh, how to I select which game to use?
02:42 blaise           VanessaE: I'm using the test server?
02:42 VanessaE         blaise: you have to edit world.mt
02:42 VanessaE         change that to point to the game you use
02:43 VanessaE         for minetest_game, make it say,  gameid = minetest
02:43 VanessaE         put your mods in worlds/Your_World/worldmods
02:43 blaise           VanessaE: is that the equivelent of --gameid <variable> ?
02:43 VanessaE         yep, about the same thing
02:44 VanessaE         worlds/Your_World/world.mt -->  gameid = minetest  (or whatever)
02:44 VanessaE         worlds/Your_World/worldmods/homedecor   (etc)
02:44 VanessaE         that makes a little more sense I guess :)
02:45 VanessaE         this is how I manage the games and mods on my servers.
02:45 blaise           don't I need to select minetest_st
02:45 blaise           don't I need to select minetest_game
02:45 VanessaE         eh?
02:45 blaise           I mean?
02:45 VanessaE         nope
02:45 blaise           hrmm
02:45 VanessaE         if you change it in your world.mt, that becomes the world's default game to use
02:45 blaise           is minetest_game some kind of singleplayer campain?
02:45 VanessaE         assuming you have installed that game.
02:45 VanessaE         nope
02:45 VanessaE         minetest_game is the "real" game
02:46 VanessaE         it's the one you're supposed to use in production
02:46 VanessaE         "minimal" is really meant for development testing
02:46 * blaise         scratches head
02:46 blaise           ah..
02:46 VanessaE         both are collections of Lua mods and such
02:46 blaise           am I using minimal?
02:46 VanessaE         yep
02:46 VanessaE         pretty sure
02:46 VanessaE         it looked like it anyway
02:46 blaise           I guess I should fix that?
02:46 VanessaE         but lemme go in again
02:47 VanessaE         wait no
02:47 VanessaE         this ain't minimall
02:47 VanessaE         -l
02:47 VanessaE         it's just that you've got "the green guy" showing up sometimes
02:47 blaise           my world.mt says this
02:47 blaise           gameid = minetest
02:47 blaise           backend = sqlite3
02:47 VanessaE         right
02:47 VanessaE         ok
02:47 VanessaE         so you're fine
02:47 VanessaE         you're good to g
02:47 VanessaE         go*
02:48 blaise           shouldn't it say leveldb ?
02:48 VanessaE         bnope
02:48 Peacock          lol going around randomly killing all my players, so they're all paranoid now XD
02:48 VanessaE         leveldb only if you intentionally wanna use that for your backen
02:48 VanessaE         d
02:48 VanessaE         sqlite is the default because that's what everyone already has.
02:48 Peacock          i love big backends and i cannot lie
02:48 blaise           people here said it was faster
02:49 VanessaE         blaise: it is under some circumstances, but idk how to properly activate it.  It might be a small matter of deleting map.sqlite and changing the backend setting there in world.mt
02:49 VanessaE         but make sure you compiled with leveldb support, of course
02:50 VanessaE         I say deleting map.sqlite because you said you were gonna reset the map anyway
02:50 blaise           meh, I'll just roll with what I got I guess
02:50 blaise           if I recompile with luajit support will it make the server faster?
02:51 VanessaE         yes
02:51 VanessaE         it'll make your mods take less CPU
02:51 VanessaE         mapgen will run faster too
02:51 VanessaE         btw,
02:51 VanessaE         install moretrees ;)
02:51 Peacock          cpus, om nom nom
02:51 VanessaE         (needs the plantlife modpack.  expect some mapgen lag)
02:52 Hirato           you just need to change the sqlite3 string to leveldb, and it's done
02:52 blaise           Hirato: do I have to convert it or something?
02:52 blaise           or will it detect and convert on its own?
02:53 Hirato           I think it will effectively reset the whole map
02:53 Peacock          well you just need to open it in emacs, learn some bash, and compile your own kernel, and you should be good to go :)
02:54 blaise           VanessaE: my server seems to be based in /var/lib/minetest/.minetest/
02:55 blaise           VanessaE: after that there is var/lib/minetest/.minetest/worlds/world/
02:55 blaise           VanessaE: do I need to put my mods in var/lib/minetest/.minetest/worlds/world/mods
02:55 blaise           ?
02:56 VanessaE         if your minetest is global, then you put your stuff in the homedir of the user that runs minetest
02:56 VanessaE         for example,
02:56 VanessaE         my servers run as username "minetest:
02:56 VanessaE         my servers run as username "minetest" rather
02:56 VanessaE         so,
02:57 blaise           mine does too.. but there is no ~ for user minetest
02:57 VanessaE         and the servers are installed globally in /usr/local/
02:57 VanessaE         so /home/minetest/.minetest/worlds  etc etc
02:57 VanessaE         you run them as user "minetest"?
02:57 blaise           yes
02:57 VanessaE         ok, make a homedir for that user then
02:57 VanessaE         you'll need it
02:58 blaise           minetest 15746 12.1  3.9 144032 82412 ?        Ssl  01:31  10:27 /usr/games/bin minetestserver --logfile /var/lib/minetest/minetest-server.log
02:58 blaise           hrmmmmm
02:58 VanessaE         don't put stuff under /var or /usr or whatever, those are *supposed* to be root-only
02:59 VanessaE         mkdir -p /home/minetest/.minetest; chown -R minetest /home/minetest/
02:59 VanessaE         and move all your shit there where it belongs :)
03:01 Hirato           I install mods as part of the package building process, so they're in /usr/share/minetest - alias, the mod viewer/configure dialog won't pick them up :/
03:01 Peacock          lol and my friends asked why i left the city: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/video-shows-montreal-police-officer-threatening-panhandler-1.2482437
03:04 VanessaE         you really shouldn't put them there
03:04 VanessaE         less'n of course you install them from the debian repo
03:04 blaise           minetest:x:113:35:added by portage for minetest:/var/lib/minetest:/sbin/nologin
03:04 blaise           lmao
03:04 VanessaE         (some of mine are slated to go into the official repo soon, once they pass whatever quality controls are needed)
03:05 VanessaE         wait, strike that
03:05 Hirato           I install mods as part of the package building process, so they're in /usr/share/minetest - alias, the mod viewer/configure dialog won't pick them up :/
03:05 VanessaE         pipeworks went in!
03:05 VanessaE         woo!
03:05 * VanessaE       dances a jig
03:05 Hirato           good job
03:05 VanessaE         http://packages.debian.org/jessie/minetest-mod-pipeworks
03:06 kahrl            <VanessaE> don't put stuff under /var or /usr or whatever, those are *supposed* to be root-only <-- that's not true
03:06 kahrl            my /var/www for example is owned by apache
03:07 VanessaE         well I suppose so
03:07 VanessaE         I always treated everything outside of /home as forbidden
03:07 VanessaE         old habits, etc
03:08 Hirato           oh... I had thought you got it into the official repo :(
03:09 Hirato           er. .you know what I mean: minetest_game
03:11 Peacock          ET phones /home
03:11 Hirato           there's no place like ~
03:12 Peacock          unless you're homeless, in which case it's /tmp :P
03:12 Hirato           hardcore
03:13 Peacock          i saw "hardcore" a lot surfing for X-Files torrents, though they weren't the 90s sci-fi show i was looking for :P
03:15 VanessaE         Hirato: no, not in minetest_game, I mean into the official debian package repository
03:16 VanessaE         they approached me, asked for my blessing.  I was quite happy to say yes :D
03:16 blaise           VanessaE: so, unified inventory is the best inventory mod?
03:16 VanessaE         blaise: imho, yes
03:16 VanessaE         others like inventory+ or whatever it's called
03:16 Hirato           it's quite laggy in a server roundtrip kind of way :P
03:16 VanessaE         it kinda depends on whether you need armor
03:16 VanessaE         UI doesn't show/work with it (yet)
03:16 VanessaE         I+ does I guess
03:17 kaeza            there's also modmenu
03:17 VanessaE         Hirato: latency isn't exactly equivalent to lag
03:19 kaeza            3d_armor supports it
03:19 VanessaE         Hirato: there's more to display to it takes longer to render
03:19 VanessaE         Hirato: but that's more of a client-side issue than a server issue
03:19 VanessaE         Hirato: as most of the time is spent waiting for the client's render-to-texture and extrude-for-wield code.
03:19 VanessaE         anything else will behave about the same as any other inventory mod
03:19 arkmabat         I missed two versions of minetest! wow! Newest isn't going back to main screen though :(
03:19 ShadowNinja      UI has a API now, so armor can use it.
03:19 arkmabat         I LOVE the modstore
03:20 ShadowNinja      0.4.9 is a bit buggy, my bug wasn't fixed before release, so I won't be updating.
03:20 Hirato           except i'm not talking about the rendering side of it at all :P
03:20 Hirato           but rather the whole "wait 3 seconds for actions to acknowledged on localhost" thing
03:21 arkmabat         Yeah, I never tried 4.8, might do that
03:21 VanessaE         all inventory mods will do that I guess
03:21 VanessaE         arkmabat: 0.4.8*
03:21 arkmabat         sorry, yes
03:21 arkmabat         does it have a modstore?
03:22 VanessaE         indeed so
03:22 VanessaE         modstore is still experimental though
03:22 VanessaE         there are lots more mods on the forums and those are usually more up-to-date also
03:22 blaise           so I don't need minetest_game to run a server?
03:23 VanessaE         you'll probably need it for now
03:23 VanessaE         eventually you could develop your own game though
03:23 * blaise         scratches head
03:23 VanessaE         but most games for minetest servers are based on it.
03:23 arkmabat         Right, it was just a pain to hunt and figure out what version worked with what etc. Of course, monorail doesn't work in 0.9.8 dang
03:23 blaise           I thought it was for singleplayer only ?
03:23 VanessaE         minetest_game supplies most of the basic content such as dirt, trees, stone, coal, iron, etc etc etc
03:24 VanessaE         nope, servers and singleplayer
03:24 VanessaE         my game that runs on my Survival and Creative servers is based on it.
03:24 VanessaE         heavily modified.
03:24 VanessaE         (and modded :) )
03:24 arkmabat         Could there be irc built-in to minetest
03:24 VanessaE         arkmabat: there's a mod for that.
03:24 arkmabat         !
03:24 VanessaE         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905
03:25 * NekoGloopMkIII curls up in VanessaE's lap
03:25 arkmabat         Cool, thanks. Props to everyone who works so hard to make this happen!
03:25 VanessaE         hey neko.
03:26 VanessaE         arkmabat: I use that mod on all five of my servers, to link them with three others through a common channel over on the Inchra network, so all eight servers basically share a chat.
03:27 VanessaE         arkmabat: bear in mind the IRC mod requires you to install an extra library, but this is easy to do (at least in linux) and there are helper scripts, plus ShadowNinja can help you get it going too
03:27 arkmabat         Nice
03:27 Hirato           which library?
03:27 arkmabat         Oh wow. Yeah, that might go over my head.
03:27 VanessaE         Hirato: luasocket I think it was?
03:27 VanessaE         it comes with the mod
03:28 Hirato           hmm, make ssense
03:28 arkmabat         Though I am beginning some beginners programming courses this semester.
03:28 VanessaE         arkmabat: don't worry, it's not hard to figure out
03:28 VanessaE         you just need to know how to compile, or maybe there's a precompiled lib you can just straight up install :)
03:28 arkmabat         That would be nice
03:29 arkmabat         It's not a big deal right now... but thanks
03:30 blaise           VanessaE: areas  mesecons  moreblocks  moreores  moretrees  pipeworks  plantlife  player_texture  technic  unified_inventory are the mods I've installed so far
03:31 blaise           VanessaE: should I install any others?
03:31 blaise           anyone recommend any must have mods for minetest?
03:31 VanessaE         that's a good set.
03:31 VanessaE         mesecons and technic can cause runtime lag, watch your CPU usage with those
03:32 VanessaE         moretrees+plantlife will cause some mapgen lag but that's to be expected.
03:32 arkmabat         I love monorail when it works
03:32 VanessaE         the rest should be pretty benign.
03:32 blaise           farming, carts, and nature pack ?
03:33 arkmabat         0.4.8 Doesn't lock up under Win7 when I choose to go back to the menu, in-game. 0.4.9 does.
03:33 VanessaE         farming is part of minetest_game
03:33 VanessaE         nature_pack is outdated, don't use it
03:33 VanessaE         carts is okay
03:33 Peacock          so i can bang sheep from minetest_game?
03:33 arkmabat         NO
03:33 Peacock          lol
03:34 Broam            mod not found: sheep_bang
03:36 blaise           how about PilzAdam-mobs-c49cc47.zip ?
03:36 arkmabat         I like the new seed gen thing
03:36 Peacock          i dont think you can bang pilzadam's mobs either
03:37 arkmabat         Are there any seeds that are programmed to do something
03:37 MinetestBot      GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Reenable -dev suffix 4d22977509 2014-01-02T19:36:13-08:00 http://git.io/KS6trg
03:37 blaise           is PilzAdam-mobs-c49cc47.zip good to have?
03:37 VanessaE         I use it on two of my servers
03:37 VanessaE         it works well enough
03:37 Peacock          well mobs in general slow the game down, depends on your hardware
03:37 blaise           is there better?
03:37 VanessaE         adds some life to an otherwise totally dead server :)
03:37 VanessaE         well, I use the git repo, https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs
03:37 Peacock          walking_dead mod :P reanimates dead players
03:38 blaise           lol
03:38 VanessaE         that zip looks like it's the current git HEAD though
03:38 blaise           dead_island mod ?
03:38 Peacock          tchernobyl mod = makes an area radioactive/decay :P
03:38 arkmabat         Cool
03:41 blaise           VanessaE: what about this list here? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3621
03:41 arkmabat         If you want dead_island mod, go to https://minecraft.net/classic/list
03:41 VanessaE         A few of those are out of date but that's a good list to start with, yes
03:41 blaise           are flowers needed ?
03:42 VanessaE         ignore:  flat land generator, junglegrass, diamonds, mese tools
03:42 VanessaE         flowers comes with minetest_game
03:42 VanessaE         (ignore those ^^^ because they are outdated and no longer needed anyway)
03:42 blaise           armor ?
03:43 VanessaE         not sure about the armor mod
03:43 VanessaE         I don't use it
03:55 blaise           okay, so I have another question..
03:56 blaise           this gameid stuff
03:56 VanessaE         yexs?
03:56 VanessaE         yes?
03:57 blaise           if it's set to minetest, will it conflict with other servers using the same world name?
03:57 VanessaE         nope.
03:57 blaise           how do I individualise my server..
03:57 blaise           so that nothing will conflict
03:57 blaise           :)
03:57 VanessaE         just remember that if they all point to the same game, then they will all use that game.  individualize them by using the worldmods directories.
03:58 VanessaE         each world has its own worldmods dir
03:58 VanessaE         so make your base game (minetest_game) exactly as basic as it needs to be to cover all your servers, then add to worldmods for each server/world that which each of them needs
03:58 blaise           I can host multiple worlds on a server?!
03:58 VanessaE         no
03:58 VanessaE         one server instance per world
03:59 blaise           k
03:59 VanessaE         but you can run multiple server instances at a time
03:59 blaise           hrmm.....
03:59 VanessaE         I run five instances on one system
03:59 VanessaE         each instance points to a different world
03:59 WarrTab          You can host multiple worlds on one machine, but need separate instances of the server process with different ports.
03:59 VanessaE         each world has a game it runs and a collection of worldmods
03:59 blaise           I don't think the gentoo init script accounts for that
03:59 VanessaE         two of them share a game (mine)
04:00 blaise           I suppose I could change the init script name to minetest-server-<world>
04:00 blaise           then the conf file would also have that extention..
04:00 VanessaE         right
04:00 VanessaE         that's what I do
04:00 blaise           cool
04:00 VanessaE         each server runs its own world and its own conf, writes its own debug file, and loads its own set of worldmods
04:01 blaise           I'm going to roll my server over and see if the mods take place, and the leveldb conversion goes well
04:01 VanessaE         the only thing they have in common is the games, and then only two of the servers (the ones I just call "Survival" and "Creative") share a common game.
04:01 Hirato           if you have players, tell them to grab as much of their crap as possible before the shift :p
04:01 VanessaE         there's nothing to grab, it's a new map anyway
04:02 Hirato           haha, have fun then :p
04:03 Hirato           don't forget to build with -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1
04:04 blaise           already done
04:08 blaise           04:07:53: ERROR[EmergeThread0]: Blank block data in database (datastr.length() == 0) (3,0,-3)
04:08 blaise           :(
04:08 VanessaE         man I thought that was fixed.
04:09 VanessaE         what version of minetest is that?
04:09 blaise           04:07:54: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: Invalid data in MapBlock (3,1,-3)
04:09 Hirato           I haven't had any errors, just blocks that wouldn't load
04:11 blaise           0.4.8
04:11 blaise           04:07:54: ERROR[main]: You can ignore this using [ignore_world_load_errors = true].
04:11 blaise           do I need to put that somewhere ?
04:12 Hirato           oh, grab 0.4.9 or build form source :P
04:13 VanessaE         looks like 0.4.9 is a bit crashy
04:13 VanessaE         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124010#p124010
04:14 blaise           should I wipe my world?
04:14 blaise           maybe I need to regenerate ?
04:14 blaise           hrmm....
04:14 VanessaE         idk
04:15 VanessaE         regenerating will only delay that bug
04:15 VanessaE         it will happen again
04:15 VanessaE         (and it has, for me also)
04:15 VanessaE         it's since been fixed in git
04:16 VanessaE         so maybe 0.4.9 will fix it for you
04:19 blaise           :\
04:19 VanessaE         it's worth a try
04:20 VanessaE         that glitch is a false bug
04:20 VanessaE         it's not supposed to crash the server
04:26 blaise           :(
04:27 * grondilu       is trying to connect to VanessaE 's survival server, and is surprised by the time it takes for textures and stuff to load  :/
04:28 Peacock          a couple of hundred mods and a hires texpack will do that :P
04:28 Hirato           It's the dolphin conspiracy, I tel lyou!
04:29 VanessaE         grondilu: there are almost 7000 items to load
04:29 grondilu         maybe I should try your other server?   It's just that I've never played survival in minetest so I wanted to try that.
04:30 VanessaE         (pipeworks just lost a bunch of weight over the past week, some 600 node defs alone)
04:30 Peacock          got rid of the on/off bit?
04:30 VanessaE         creative or survival will both take a while to load, make sure you have cURL support in your client.
04:30 VanessaE         Peacock: 6d facedir
04:30 Peacock          that helps too
04:30 VanessaE         Peacock: I am, however, working on a total rewrite of the water transport code.  fee new_flow_logic branch
04:30 VanessaE         s/fee/see/
04:31 * grondilu       is in
04:31 Peacock          well i rewrote it a couple times since the last one i sent ya :P so yeah
04:31 VanessaE         Peacock: pipes will now be based on water content, something akin to CFM or Joules.
04:31 VanessaE         (if you go with the water <-> electricity cognitive model)
04:32 Peacock          well the last rewrite i did had it storing pressure and the name of the liquid (transport any liquid)
04:32 VanessaE         so far the basics of flowing and transport are working
04:32 VanessaE         I'll be adding transport of "just any" liquid some time later on, maybe
04:32 VanessaE         but I got tired of oscillating pipes and stuff
04:32 VanessaE         so I rewrote it to use a self-balancing pressure-based algorithm instead
04:32 Peacock          its not tricky, if youre storing pressure or joules or whatever, just store the name of the source liquid and pass it on
04:32 blaise           I've created a minetest-0.4.9.ebuild for funtoo.. I had one that I made for gentoo already
04:33 blaise           are the client's intercompatable?
04:33 VanessaE         I know, just haven't gotten around to it yet.
04:33 Peacock          oscillating?
04:33 VanessaE         Peacock: yeah, if you build too many nearby loops, you could get the pipes to start oscillating on/off.
04:34 VanessaE         now they only turn "on" if their internal level is above a certain point, and only after the balancing algorithm has been run for the current set.
04:34 VanessaE         need to add some hysteresis though.
04:34 Peacock          yeah i remember that, had to fix that stuff a year ago
04:36 Peacock          though i called it the system feeding into itself, not oscillating, though i guess its the same thing
04:36 Peacock          ideally pipes would work really well with a couple of basic classes
04:37 Peacock          (lua)
04:38 Peacock          though lua classes are even more awkward than php classes so i never got around to it lol
04:42 blaise           lol
04:43 blaise           I can't figure out how to enable luajit on gentoo to save my life
04:43 blaise           lmao
04:45 kahrl            blaise: add luajit to USE?
04:45 blaise           I tried it
04:46 kahrl            if that doesn't add it, the ebuild is broken
04:46 arkmabat         Made an Ice Castle: http://imgur.com/MP2umP5
04:46 arkmabat         And a fireplace inside: http://imgur.com/3VlmmG9
04:46 blaise           kahrl: [ebuild     U  ] games-action/minetest-0.4.9::local [0.4.8::gentoo] USE="curl leveldb nls server sound truetype -dedicated (-luajit)" 0 kB
04:47 blaise           as you can see, it's in weirdo brackets..
04:47 arkmabat         It surprized me at first, I stuck a torch on the wall and it started melting haha
04:47 blaise           and I dont even know what that means..
04:47 arkmabat         The ice blocks
04:47 kahrl            blaise: that probably means something masked it
04:47 blaise           but it's not masked though..
04:48 blaise           I have luajit-2.0.2 compiled and available
04:48 kahrl            not the package but the use flag
04:48 * blaise         raises a few eyebrows he didn't even know he had
04:48 blaise           hrmm
04:48 blaise           oah well
04:49 blaise           maybe one day it'll work
04:49 blaise           lmao
04:49 kahrl            27 Oct 2013; Julian Ospald <hasufell@gentoo.org> package.use.mask: mask luajit useflag for games-action/minetest
04:49 arkmabat         The ice blocks melting was a good touch.
04:50 VanessaE         ShadowNinja: ^^^^ quote for the minetest.net main page   :-)
04:50 VanessaE         [01-02 23:48] * blaise raises a few eyebrows he didn't even know he had
04:51 kahrl            blaise: mkdir -p /etc/portage/profile
04:51 kahrl            blaise: echo games-action/minetest -luajit >> /etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask
04:52 VanessaE         I thought there was a more graceful way to do that in gentoo?
04:52 kahrl            dunno
04:52 VanessaE         been too long since I last ran it
04:53 VanessaE         (the racing stripes and "Type-R" sticker faded ages ago ;) )
04:56 kahrl            my emerge has been racing to update everything for the last 9 hours...
04:57 VanessaE         heh
04:57 VanessaE         no matter how fast your PC is, it still takes three days to install gentoo :)
04:57 VanessaE         (thank G*d for distcc and ccache)
04:57 blaise           meh, can't get the patches right
04:57 blaise           beh
04:57 blaise           bleh
04:57 blaise           BLEH
04:57 VanessaE         BLEH!!!!
04:58 Peacock          in the days of XP, linux was superior :P
04:58 VanessaE         Peacock: ever used gentoo?
04:58 Peacock          the economy didn't suck, we had more freedoms.... its like the world is upside down now :P
04:59 Peacock          now windows is more stable, there are fewer jobs, and we have about as many rights as communist russia lol
05:00 Peacock          im looking for evil spock hoping he's willing to switch :P
05:00 VanessaE         heh
05:01 VanessaE         "Captain Kirk, I shall consider it."
05:01 VanessaE         if only.
05:03 Peacock          yeah seriously, internet at 56K might have been slow, but we had it better :P
05:03 blaise           I've never had a windows install other than win2k server or win3.11fwg last longer than a year..
05:03 VanessaE         now get off your lawn?
05:04 Peacock          well with windows there's malware forcing you to reinstall at regular intervals, with linux, there are system updates forcing you to reinstall at regular intervals :P
05:05 Peacock          i predict that in ten years we'll all be running operating systems from VMs lol
05:05 VanessaE         byte your tongue
05:05 Peacock          well its already started with android :P resistance is futile
05:06 blaise           I'm gonna try and compile minetest-0.4.9 without the 4 patches..
05:06 blaise           they need to be redone...
05:06 blaise           and I don't have the patience or the time to mess with it right now
05:07 * blaise         comments the patch lines out of the ebuild and creates a manifest
05:09 blaise           nope, it's not gonna work
05:10 Peacock          i could have told you that before even knowing what the question was :P
05:10 Ubuntu-Tester    Is the Nether workin for any 1 or is it 1 of those bugged mods?
05:10 Peacock          pilzadam's nether regions?
05:11 blaise           Peacock: you don't even know what I'm talking about.
05:11 blaise           the patches I speak of are gentoo specific.
05:12 Peacock          well of course, no one uses gentoo, trisquel is the future, and i for one, hail our new ascii-pron overlords
05:13 blaise           how do I regenerate the world?
05:13 Peacock          delete it
05:15 us_0gb           Peacock: You'd be more convincing if the channel wasn't logged.
05:15 Peacock          well that's half the fun isn't it? :P
05:15 us_0gb           Yeah, I suppose so.
05:16 us_0gb           Seriously though, Trisquel does have png/jpeg/<whatever> capabilities. No need for ASCII.
05:17 blaise           how do I specify what v to generate?
05:17 Peacock          aside, without flash the only JO material you got is pictures :P
05:17 us_0gb           blaise: You can't regenerate only part of the world. It's the whole world or none of it.
05:17 blaise           so how do I regenerate the whole world ?
05:17 us_0gb           Peacock: What is "JO"?
05:18 Peacock          deer lord, i cant explain that here lol
05:18 us_0gb           blaise: Delete the world's map.sqlite file.
05:19 blaise           us_0gb: what if I'm using leveldb ?
05:19 us_0gb           blaise: Delete the map file. I don't know what it's called for LevelDB.
05:20 VanessaE         for leveldb, it's a folder
05:20 VanessaE         level.dat or something
05:21 blaise           hrmmm
05:21 Peacock          level1.db,level2.db,etc.., doublejepoardy.db :P
05:21 VanessaE         I forget what, only wsaw it once
05:21 VanessaE         -w
05:21 VanessaE         right
05:21 us_0gb           Peacock: You could always get a DVD.
05:21 us_0gb           We do have DVD-cracking software.
05:21 blaise           do I need something in world.mt to specify what version to generate? v7 ?
05:22 blaise           is there v8 or v9 ?
05:22 Peacock          theres libdvdcss i think
05:22 Peacock          though i think you know stallmans' views on that
05:22 VanessaE         blaise: no, and stick with mg v6
05:22 blaise           k
05:22 VanessaE         v7 is not production ready
05:22 VanessaE         and indev is v6 with lots of extra stuff added
05:22 Peacock          i cant imagine an opensource girlfriend though, whatever you do to her, you'd have to let others do the same :/
05:23 VanessaE         I think
05:23 * blaise         facepalms
05:23 blaise           05:22:55: ERROR[main]: Subgame [] could not be found.
05:23 blaise           I broke it
05:23 VanessaE         what'd you use for the gameid field?
05:24 blaise           minetest
05:24 us_0gb           Peacock: I don't know his thoughts on that, but I'm not sure I care. I know my own thoughts on it. The man is only human, you know.
05:25 Peacock          we seem to be a minority on that :P
05:25 us_0gb           Peacock: I've never had a girlfriend, but I don't think it works that way.
05:25 Peacock          depends, if we were in the 70s, it might :P
05:26 us_0gb           Yeah, maybe in the 70s.
05:26 VanessaE         blaise: odd....
05:26 blaise           yeah.....
05:27 Peacock          sucks i was born five years too late for the 70s lol
05:27 us_0gb           blaise: Is minetest_game installed? If you deleted the file specifying a game, it will default to minetest_game.
05:27 katyusha         goodnight all
05:28 Peacock          NoooooooooooooooO!
05:28 * blaise         facepalms
05:28 blaise           lmao
05:28 us_0gb           katyusha: Good night.
05:28 katyusha         :-)
05:28 us_0gb           blaise: It's world.mt.
05:29 Peacock          .mt for Moo Testament, the bible of cow
05:29 us_0gb           Ah, I was unaware of that.
05:29 us_0gb           I wondered what it stood for.
05:30 Peacock          you'd think the gov't would hire me for disinformation lol
05:35 blaise           k, I just wiped the entire world dir
05:35 blaise           started from scratch
05:35 blaise           it seems to be working
05:36 blaise           although.. quite a few lines were added to my world.mt http://bpaste.net/show/164153/
05:37 blaise           should all those be set to false like they are?
05:37 Peacock          ugh, that load_mod crap lol
05:38 us_0gb           Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either. It would be nice if it only had it for modules that WERE loaded, and just assumed false for any not listed.
05:38 blaise           so, uhrm... do I need to set all those to true ?
05:38 blaise           what's up with all that...
05:39 us_0gb           blaise: They only need to be set to true if you wont them active in that world.
05:39 blaise           ah..
05:39 Peacock          id simply suggest creating a new world with the same seed
05:39 blaise           seed = world.mt ?
05:39 us_0gb           WHat's up with it is that the game decides to explicitly state that all of those modules are not to be loaded.
05:39 blaise           btw, I identifyed the problem being leveldb
05:40 us_0gb           I actually use a custom subgame for each world that I want added modules in to avoid that mess.
05:40 blaise           us_0gb: I didn't have that problem in singleplayer mode....
05:40 Peacock          ever since they added and removed that common mods shit the whole mod system has been overly complicated :P
05:40 us_0gb           blaise: That's odd. I thought it did it in singleplayer mode as well.
05:40 blaise           nah, they're all turned on in singleplayer
05:40 us_0gb           Huh. Good to know.
05:40 blaise           I didn't mess with anything.. just put the stuff in the mods folder
05:42 us_0gb           SO the game is being inconsistent, treating singleplayer mode as special. Lovely.
05:42 us_0gb           *So
05:45 blaise           05:44:58: ACTION[main]: WARNING: Mod name conflict detected: "unified_inventory"
05:46 blaise           05:44:58: ACTION[main]: Will not load: /var/lib/minetest/.minetest/mods/technic/unified_inventory
05:46 blaise           05:44:58: ACTION[main]: Overridden by: /var/lib/minetest/.minetest/mods/unified_inventory
05:46 blaise           so uh...
05:46 blaise           technic already has unified_inventory ?
05:47 us_0gb           RealBadAngel decided to bundle a bunch of unrelated things. So short answer, yes.
05:47 blaise           nice
05:47 blaise           lmao
05:47 blaise           and armor requires inventory+ ?
05:48 us_0gb           I think so, yes.
05:48 us_0gb           Inventory_plus isn't compatible with unified_inventory.
05:48 blaise           that sucks
05:48 blaise           05:48:02: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: .../lib/minetest/.minetest/mods/player_texture/init.lua:2: attempt to concatenate a nil value
05:49 blaise           :`(
05:49 us_0gb           blaise: Pastebin your coppy of that file.
05:49 us_0gb           *copy
05:49 blaise           guess I need a texture for my player eh?
05:49 blaise           k, just a sec
05:50 us_0gb           blaise: You shouldn't need one.
05:50 blaise           http://bpaste.net/show/164155/
05:51 blaise           so, I guess player_texture is b0rk
05:52 us_0gb           blaise: Rename the "player_texture" directory "player_textures".
05:52 us_0gb           That should fix it.
05:53 blaise           I have no player_texture or player_textures
05:53 blaise           where is it supposed to be?
05:53 blaise           same dir as world.mt ?
05:53 blaise           oh wait
05:54 blaise           you mean the mod dir
05:54 us_0gb           Yeah, that.
05:54 us_0gb           Sorry for not being clear.
05:55 VanessaE         player_textures is a mod, so it goes where you put e.g. moreores, homedecor and the like
05:59 MinetestBot      GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #28 from cheapie/master https://gi 2014-01-02T21:58:30-08:00 http://git.io/IOCDJQ
05:59 MinetestBot      GIT: cheapie commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Added compatibility with my version of creative_inventory. https://gi 2014-01-02T20:17:25-08:00 http://git.io/T0uRyQ
06:00 blaise           what's the best texture pack?
06:00 VanessaE         ...
06:00 VanessaE         as if you had to ask that when I'm around ;)
06:00 VanessaE         actually it depends on the style you like the best
06:01 blaise           VanessaE: did you make one?
06:01 VanessaE         blaise: I develop and maintain HDX:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1583
06:02 VanessaE         a lot of people like Sphax BDCraft, which is a sort of cartoonish one: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5427
06:02 VanessaE         some folks like Minetoon:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=402
06:02 Peacock          some folks like that really low res crap that gives headaches lol (ill never figure that out) :P
06:02 VanessaE         Misa's pack is popular:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=274
06:03 blaise           ah, nice
06:03 blaise           VanessaE: will your texture pack bring my computer to a crawl ?
06:03 blaise           lmao
06:03 VanessaE         blaise: only if you use a size that's too big for your hardware to tolerate
06:03 VanessaE         mine runs fine with the 256px size.
06:04 VanessaE         other folks might do best with the 64px size
06:04 VanessaE         etc.
06:04 Peacock          bigger is better </black man>
06:04 blaise           lol
06:11 blaise           omg I'm gonna die
06:11 blaise           I need weapons and/or shelter
06:13 VanessaE         ?
06:13 VanessaE         oh
06:13 VanessaE         well so build one :)
06:15 us_0gb           WHat is treeprop.png?
06:16 VanessaE         used with the old farmesh
06:16 VanessaE         puts fake trees on the landscape where the real ones were
06:16 VanessaE         but that's long since been removed from the engine.
06:16 VanessaE         I guess the png is obsolete :)
06:17 VanessaE         well at least for the 0.4.x serie
06:17 VanessaE         +s
06:17 us_0gb           So it detected hardcoded nodes then? I'm glad that was removed.
06:17 VanessaE         0.3.x and -classic probably use it though
06:23 us_0gb           Quick question. I'm building a new game, and will be using the media from the current games to provide familiarity. Should I keep the image names the same (to provide compatibility with minetest_game texture packs) or rename them to match the modules they are being moved to ("<module>_<image name>.png", to avoid file name clashes with minetest_game modules)?
06:25 VanessaE         keep the names the same as they are now.
06:25 VanessaE         as long as they serve the same *purpose*
06:25 us_0gb           Okay. Thanks!
06:26 Peacock          modules or mods?
06:26 us_0gb           Modules. I suppose "mods" might be short for such.
06:26 VanessaE         I mean, if the front of a furnace still uses default_furnace_front.png (and _front_active.png) then that's fine, for example, but don't go using default_wood.png to represent a special kind of wood other than the "default" :)
06:27 Peacock          my_special_wood.png :P
06:27 Peacock          can't post that here though :P
06:28 us_0gb           VanessaE: Okay, got it.
06:28 kahrl            we should make it so that a node can have different textures depending on time of day
06:28 kahrl            so we could have default_evening_wood.png and ...nevermind
06:28 VanessaE         ......
06:28 VanessaE         <joke killer> well there was a branch that could do exactly that. </joke killer>
06:28 us_0gb           Legacy has no README file ... no image copyright/license information ....
06:29 VanessaE         this one, I thinkL  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/meta_set_nodedef
06:29 VanessaE         old as shit, now, though
06:29 kahrl            heh
06:33 blaise           I can't seem to craft a damn thing..
06:34 VanessaE         that's because there aren't any damn things in the default game
06:34 VanessaE         you need a mod for that too
06:34 VanessaE         what mod was it that had damn things?  nether wasn't it?
06:34 VanessaE         ;)
06:35 blaise           what can I make with dirt?
06:35 VanessaE         nothing
06:35 VanessaE         the usesdirt mod adds some stuff
06:35 us_0gb           A house.
06:35 VanessaE         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4129
06:35 blaise           a mud hut?
06:35 blaise           lmao
06:38 Peacock          jokes aside, dynamic node properties would rock :P
06:38 VanessaE         indeed they would
06:40 blaise           so, I've got a pretty old laptop.. it's got one of these 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS690M [Radeon Xpress 1200/1250/1270]
06:40 Peacock          though that's right up there with multicultural lights and different node shapes:P
06:40 blaise           VanessaE: what would you recommend to use with your texture pack?
06:42 us_0gb           blaise: That sounds like what I've got, and I get about three frames per second even with 16px textures.
06:42 VanessaE         I've used an old 9200M with my 64px pack
06:42 VanessaE         it was playable.
06:42 VanessaE         you just have to try it,
06:42 VanessaE         either it works or it doesn't :)
06:43 blaise           hrmm
06:43 VanessaE         start with the 64px size and see how it behaves, and if you like it
06:44 VanessaE         try a larger or smaller size according to your average performance
06:44 Peacock          thats what she said
06:44 Peacock          :P
06:44 VanessaE         ...
06:44 blaise           Wanesville eh?
06:44 VanessaE         yep
06:45 blaise           I spent 20 years in Hendersonville.. :)
06:45 Peacock          a prison?
06:45 VanessaE         Asheville and Hendersonville are getting hammered right now
06:45 blaise           I miss NC pretty bad..
06:45 VanessaE         Peacock: a nearby city :P
06:45 blaise           VanessaE: weather?
06:45 VanessaE         blaise: yeah, winter storm warning + high winds
06:46 blaise           I'm up in Frederick, MD atm.. we got about a foot of snow in the last 2-3 hours
06:46 Peacock          current forecast here: Snowing, -37c :/
06:46 VanessaE         not as bad as the northeast.  I guess New York is getting their asses handed to them right about now
06:46 blaise           yeah, pretty much..
06:46 VanessaE         exactly
06:47 Peacock          sunday and saturday ittl be back to -6c
06:47 Peacock          and then.. back down to -23c lol
06:47 VanessaE         jeez
06:48 Peacock          im worried about my older LCD screen, it keeps making those plastic cracky sounds lol
06:48 VanessaE         it's -8°C here at the moment
06:48 VanessaE         expected to get down to around -17 in a fe days
06:48 Peacock          not so bad :P
06:48 VanessaE         few*
06:48 Peacock          at -37c i feel the hairs of my beard freeze lol
06:48 VanessaE         oy
06:49 Peacock          i dont shave when its that cold out lol i need all the help i can get
06:49 VanessaE         I'll stay down here in the south
06:49 Peacock          yeah im kinda pissed off at the king of france for not holding onto new france lol
06:49 VanessaE         I'm a witch most of the year anyway, abe would tell you, but I don't care to know what a witch's titties feel like :P
06:49 Peacock          otherwise i'd be in the south too :P
06:50 blaise           VanessaE: pardon, where is this minetest/data located?
06:50 Peacock          oh well in quebec you could cut diamonds with nipples at these temps :P
06:50 VanessaE         blaise: there isn't one - that's old information from the 0.3.x days
06:50 blaise           o.O
06:50 VanessaE         texture packs go in minetestfolder/textures
06:50 VanessaE         e.g. ~/.minetest/textures/HDX-256px
06:50 VanessaE         and the like
06:50 blaise           thanks
06:51 blaise           so I can git clone https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-64
06:51 VanessaE         yup
06:51 blaise           inside the textures dir ?
06:51 VanessaE         that'll work just fine
06:51 VanessaE         I keep them all in a separate dir and symlink to them
06:51 VanessaE         either way works
06:53 blaise           and then I cd ~/.minetest/textures && ln -s hdx-64 all
06:53 * blaise         pokes VanessaE
06:54 VanessaE         no
06:54 VanessaE         just leave the folder name as-is
06:54 VanessaE         ~/.minetest/textures/hdx-64
06:54 blaise           ah, nice
06:54 VanessaE         select it in the menyu
06:54 VanessaE         menu*
06:55 blaise           so I can snag several and hop around till I find one I'm comfortable with
06:55 blaise           very nice
06:55 blaise           my server load is extremely low btw
06:56 VanessaE         exactly
06:56 blaise           it's an old dual athlon mp 2600+ with a HIS IceQ Radeon HD 4670
06:58 blaise           wow, the hdx-64 is a pretty big improvement...
07:03 VanessaE         lemme guess?  better fps with HDX than default?
07:06 blaise           yeah..
07:06 VanessaE         you're not the first person to have that happen
07:06 VanessaE         and idk how that works, either
07:06 VanessaE         but, I won't complain :)
07:07 us_0gb           Hmm. THat is intriguing.
07:14 Peacock          "Searching the Internet For Evidence of Time Travelers" http://beta.slashdot.org/story/196371
07:15 VanessaE         beta?
07:15 VanessaE         BETA?
07:15 VanessaE         BETA?!?
07:15 VanessaE         YOU should be ashamed!
07:15 VanessaE         HERETIC!
07:15 VanessaE         BURN HIM!
07:15 Peacock          im not a member :P
07:16 blaise           kik
07:16 VanessaE         s/beta/classic/
07:16 VanessaE         and all is right with the world :)
07:16 blaise           s/kik/lol/
07:16 blaise           sed
07:16 Peacock          actually it kinda worries me we haven't seen time travelers - either they're really good at hiding, or we nuke ourselves before we ever reach the ability :P
07:17 Peacock          as for the beta shit, i can't get out of it, i tried :P
07:17 blaise           I can't find any shrubs to save my life...
07:18 blaise           I think I might add the fireplace mod
07:18 VanessaE         Peacock: so create an account, sign in, and kiss beta good bye
07:20 Peacock          yeah, until beta becomes default :P
07:21 Peacock          besides, every other /. member is onpon reincarnated lol
07:22 Peacock          BIll Gates gave money to charity? "its obvious a proprietary plot to destroy linux!" :p
07:22 Peacock          *obviously
07:27 blaise           what ever
07:27 blaise           the ndis stack for windows networking was directly stolen from bsd
07:27 Peacock          yet bsd still sucks (tried it the other day :P)
07:28 blaise           openbsd is pretty good for personal computing.. freebsd isn't for the light hearted..
07:28 blaise           netbsd is a damn fine production platform.
07:28 Peacock          any system that calls a CLI a "liveCD" is a fail in my books :P
07:29 blaise           o.O
07:29 blaise           O.o
07:29 October21        the drive for bsd ...
07:30 blaise           oh, similar to /dev/sr0
07:30 Peacock          though its pretty clear there will never be a "year of the linux desktop", the minute ubuntu got too popular RMS started creating division, you'd almost think he was the paid shill :P
07:30 blaise           lol
07:31 Peacock          well it wouldn't be too different from what happened to the hippy movements :P
07:33 blaise           I can't seem to craft a wooden door... :\
07:33 blaise           I have plenty of tree
07:33 blaise           but the texture looks different
07:33 blaise           even though they are called the same
07:33 blaise           "Tree"
07:33 blaise           one is square while the other is round..
07:34 Peacock          i think you need the square one
07:37 blaise           I tried that already
07:37 blaise           and I can't find the round ones that don't have white centers..
07:47 us_0gb           "[23:28:51] 18<Peacock18> any system that calls a CLI a "liveCD" is a fail in my books :P" - Agreed.
07:48 Peacock          i was really disappointed though :P heard alot of good things about freebsd, but if i cant bootin to a livesession to fix shit, forget it lol
07:49 us_0gb           I installed FreeBSD, and it didn't even have a desktop. THat was disappointing. I then tried to install PC-BSD, but it wouldn't even install.
07:49 Peacock          jesus christ, i still remember the 80's, no need to go back there lol
07:50 us_0gb           What happened in the 80s?
07:50 Peacock          michael jackson became a white woman and they were over lol
07:50 us_0gb           Ah. I see.
07:50 Peacock          also, edward scissorhands, though that might be early 90s
07:51 Peacock          it was back when the SImpsons were still funny, that much i know :P
07:51 us_0gb           THey were ever funny? I totally missed it.
07:52 us_0gb           Though to be honest, I only watched one episode, and it was only because we were required to in a class in high school.
07:52 us_0gb           Maybe I just wasn't shown a good one.
07:52 Peacock          yeah the first 5-6 seasons were funny, not the 20 that followed
07:53 Peacock          the show kinda jumped the shark when skinners was revealed to be an imposter
07:54 blaise           how long will a torch burn?
07:55 October21        maybe no end
07:55 us_0gb           In a furnace? Not long. Out of a furnace, it will stay lit forever.
07:56 blaise           nice
07:56 blaise           I can't believe I can't make a wooden door with wood planks
07:56 blaise           :\
07:57 * blaise         huddles up to his torch inside his meager wooden shanti
07:58 us_0gb           Doors should be craftable. What subgame are you using? Minetest_game? Minimal?
07:58 blaise           minetest_game
07:58 blaise           it wants 6 tree's
07:59 VanessaE         not trees
07:59 VanessaE         wood planks
07:59 VanessaE         craft tree -> wood -> x6 -> dor
07:59 blaise           but the tree's I find all are white in the center with dark bark.. and it wants all dark
07:59 VanessaE         door*
07:59 blaise           k, thanks
07:59 VanessaE         1 tree becomes 4 wooden planks
07:59 VanessaE         use 6 of those to make a door
08:01 nore             Hi all
08:01 VanessaE         hey nore
08:01 nore             have you seen what the bug was that caused areas not to be possible to see?
08:02 VanessaE         I have not.  I was able to pull a listing just fine?
08:02 Peacock          yeah i fixed that, i plugged the computer in
08:02 VanessaE         however,
08:02 VanessaE         I see that the HUD is not working
08:02 VanessaE         strange
08:08 nore             any wiki moderator here? http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&curid=499&diff=2063&oldid=2062
08:09 pitriss          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124156#p124156 //probably spam
08:09 nore             indeed
08:12 VanessaE         deleted the spammy one
08:12 VanessaE         I'll let the other one stand
08:13 VanessaE         *checks the wiki*
08:15 VanessaE         fixed.
08:56 Robby            I must say, thanks for this wonderful game, though it needs some polishing still, it is very addictive
08:56 Robby            *very*
08:57 VanessaE         glad you like it :)
08:57 Robby            never played Minecraft before but was looking for a free OSS version, took me a long while to find one
08:57 Robby            (this one)
08:57 Robby            yea :D
08:57 Robby            just discovered this project a couple of days ago
08:58 Robby            I setup a vanilla server for me and some friends, we been playing almost all night now
08:58 Robby            though the Pentium 4 server I'm running this on is struggling with load at times
08:59 VanessaE         yeah it can be a little slow at times, but the engine is always improving
08:59 Robby            (but new and better machine coming soon, this box has served me well but now 2013..its showing its age)
08:59 Robby            :)
09:00 Robby            I need to look into some mods, which are the best ones and which are still maintained/updated
09:00 Robby            like 'areas'
09:00 Robby            and a sethome mod which I saw somewhere
09:00 VanessaE         oh that's a pretty big question
09:00 VanessaE         there are lots and lots of mods
09:01 Robby            yeah, I've seen it on the forum and the website
09:01 VanessaE         better you should look in the Mod Releases section of the Minetest forum
09:01 Robby            yeah
09:01 VanessaE         pretty much everything there should still be active, or at least still works
09:01 Robby            but for now I couldn't stop playing so mods had to wait :p
09:02 Robby            like a friend said, 'its like Lego all over again'
09:02 Robby            :P
09:02 VanessaE         heh
09:02 VanessaE         yeah
09:03 October21        VanessaE: the new version is base on irrlicht-1.8.1 ?
09:03 VanessaE         October21: no but it can use it.
09:03 VanessaE         it'll work with 1.7.3 and up
09:03 Robby            yeah, it can, I compiled my server from git, using irrlicht 1.8.1
09:03 Robby            works fine
09:04 October21        i'm using #! (debian 7), there is 1.7.3 on debian 7
09:04 sfan5            VanessaE: 1.7.2 works too, I'm sure MT works with Irrlicht 1.7.x -- 1.9 (git)
09:05 VanessaE         sfan5: you sure about 1.7.2?  I thought I'd one or two reports of obscure glitches with that one
09:05 sfan5            VanessaE: all my windows builds use 1.7.2
09:05 sfan5            I recently tried 1.8 but compile errors all over the place
09:06 VanessaE         huh
09:06 VanessaE         well that's windows :)
09:06 October21        it ok with linux
09:06 VanessaE         yu
09:06 VanessaE         p
09:09 October21        There are some play the MT in China
09:10 Hirato           speaking of compiler issues, why won't you guys fix this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1051 :(
09:10 sfan5            Hirato: I'll do that right now
09:10 Hirato           all that has to be done is commenting out that one line, or hiding it behind a -DENBALE_GLES var or something
09:10 Hirato           <3
09:17 VanessaE         http://www.dietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Bacon560.jpg
09:18 VanessaE         ain't it the truth
09:21 sfan5            Hirato: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1081
09:26 us_0gb           VanessaE: That's quite amusing, but I'm going to have to disagree.
09:26 VanessaE         why>
09:28 us_0gb           Bacon is fatty and bad for us. I argue that it is us bacon lovers who are wrong, if it is even possible to have a right or wrong on such a topic.
09:28 VanessaE         fat is not bad for you
09:28 sfan5            only too much is bad for you
09:28 VanessaE         carbs is bad for you
09:28 VanessaE         are8
09:29 VanessaE         carbs -> insulin response -> calories stored into adipose tissue aka body fat
09:29 VanessaE         fat -> ...erm... nothing special happens
09:29 zash             everything is bad for you
09:29 us_0gb           Okay, no bread and no fatty meats then.
09:29 us_0gb           Okay, no anything.
09:29 us_0gb           Everyone starves.
09:29 VanessaE         no bread, eat all the fatty meat you want, just avoid omega 6.
09:29 VanessaE         and for G*d sakes avoid sugar.
09:30 VanessaE         it's really not that hard :)
09:30 us_0gb           Sugar is in everything though.
09:30 VanessaE         strange
09:30 VanessaE         *looks at meal she's eating*
09:30 VanessaE         doesn't seem to be any in here
09:30 VanessaE         cheese, mayo, onion powder, chicken.
09:30 us_0gb           Is it in meat? I'm not sure. It is in fruits and vegetables though.
09:31 us_0gb           Onion power has sugar, I would thing. Whole onions do.
09:31 VanessaE         forget fruit.  veggies are okay
09:31 zash             everything has sugar
09:31 us_0gb           I'm almost certain cheese does as well.
09:31 zash             sugar is added to everything
09:31 VanessaE         onion powder doesn't have enough sugar for it to matter, neither does cheese
09:32 VanessaE         a bit of lactose, but that's not *added*
09:32 us_0gb           I'm not even talking about additives. It's naturally in most foods.
09:32 VanessaE         I'm talking about table sugar, sucrose.
09:32 VanessaE         you know, the crap no one's supposed to eat
09:32 October21        the Carbohydrates in most food
09:32 us_0gb           Ah, sucrose. Yeah, we should probably avoid that.
09:32 VanessaE         the stuff they cram down everyone's throats in soda and the like
09:32 VanessaE         (of course that's corn syrup, but same damn thing for the sake of this discussion)
09:44 Hirato           sfan5: <3
09:45 Hirato           might want to make it a required depend if the option is enabled
09:58 sfan5            Hirato: done
10:25 Megaf            !up megaf.no-ip.info 30003
10:25 MinetestBot      megaf.no-ip.info:30003 is up (3169ms)
10:27 Megaf            sfan5, can you please try my server?
10:28 sfan5            sure
10:30 sfan5            Megaf: doesn't work
10:30 Megaf            oh deer
10:30 sfan5            stops at "connecting to server..."
10:31 Megaf            sfan5, you using megaf.no-ip.info 30003 right?
10:31 sfan5            yes
10:32 sfan5            oh.. wait
10:32 sfan5            works!
10:33 Megaf            sfan5, there are many mods and not http working properly yet, so it might take a while
10:33 nore             how do you define the collision box of a node?
10:33 xyz              no releases — people hate us because wow so slow
10:33 xyz              releases — people hate us because why the fuck would you release this non-working shit
10:33 xyz              ;_;
10:34 sfan5            conclusion: you can't make your users happy
10:34 xyz              wrong
10:34 Megaf            Im the non-working shit user
10:34 xyz              conslusions: users are stupid
10:34 Megaf            also the second case developer
10:34 xyz              well that's a bit mean
10:35 xyz              let's say users don't know what they want
10:35 Megaf            sfan5, are you nyankitty?
10:35 sfan5            Megaf: meow, yes
10:35 nore             WHY is it selection_box but collisionbox??
10:36 xyz              you're starting to understand this
10:37 xyz              also getpos/setpos but get_hp/set_hp and more
10:37 VanessaE         meanwhile I will continue to bitch about actual bugs that affect the rest of us "don't know what we want" users.....
10:37 nore             wait... that was for entities
10:37 nore             is there no way to set the collision box of a node?
10:38 VanessaE         nore: nope
10:38 nore             :(
10:38 xyz              bugs in irrlicht which we can't fix included
10:39 VanessaE         s/we can't fix/we aren't willing to fork, patch, and bundle to get around/
10:40 xyz              bundling irrlicht is no good, distro package maintainers will hate us
10:40 VanessaE         in other words, there are always ways to fix bugs, it's a matter of the desire to fix, not the ability.
10:40 VanessaE         hah
10:41 VanessaE         that didn't stop you from bundling half a dozen other things with minetest
10:41 markveidemanis   Hello
10:41 VanessaE         hi
10:41 markveidemanis   How would i get all the items in minetest?
10:42 markveidemanis   and textures as in:
10:42 markveidemanis   "wool:pink": ("wool_pink.png", "wool_pink.png"),
10:42 VanessaE         markveidemanis: grep the debug log.  look for ItemDefManager or something like that
10:42 VanessaE         that'll get you the list of items anyway
10:44 markveidemanis   will it? ok
10:44 VanessaE         xyz: and, no offense intended....you're one to talk about people hating forks.... considering what you and proller maintain
10:44 VanessaE         markveidemanis: assuming you have the debug level set high enough, yes
10:44 VanessaE         (range 1 to 4, not sure at what level those messages are added)
10:46 xyz              what did I say about people hating forks?
10:46 VanessaE         xyz: so if you two can fork minetest to "fix" what you guys consider to be deficiencies in its code, then you guys can fork irrlicht and fix bugs in it that keep it from minetest from working right - assuming it isn't in fact minetest that is bugged.  The difference being, that fork would in theory be mergeable back to mainline irrlicht.
10:46 VanessaE         [01-03 05:39] <xyz> bundling irrlicht is no good, distro package maintainers will hate us
10:46 VanessaE         bundle == fork, duh
10:46 VanessaE         and I'm pretty sure distro package maintainers are people too
10:46 xyz              wat
10:47 xyz              okay
10:47 xyz              how about you go with that idea to dev
10:47 VanessaE         no.
10:47 VanessaE         because most of the devs don't give two shits about my ideas.
10:48 VanessaE         but see, here's the thing: you bring up irrlicht, so I guess you refer to the copy&paste bug under linux.... but how can it be irrlicht that's bugged if it works in some window managers and not in others, and works fine in windows, apparently?
10:48 VanessaE         whereas, I wasn't even *thinking* about that bug.
10:49 VanessaE         I was thinking totally abstractly.
10:49 VanessaE         (in fact, what I had on my mind was networking related)
10:53 markveidemanis   My server refuses to report to servers.minetest.net
10:53 markveidemanis   ALthough my windows PC does it fone
10:53 VanessaE         markveidemanis: ShadowNinja has the same problem
10:53 markveidemanis   *fine
10:53 VanessaE         but for some reason it works for me
10:53 xyz              VanessaE: dunno maybe that's not irrlicht
10:53 markveidemanis   do i need to set thes ervers ip?
10:54 VanessaE         xyz: everyone who has ever cared to comment from a position of authority (== is a core dev capable of fixing the issue were it minetest's fault) has blamed it on irrlicht.
10:54 VanessaE         markveidemanis: allegedly no, but I do so anyway
10:54 VanessaE         (I point to my servers' domain though)
10:54 nore             markveidemanis, I saw you wanted to know how the forth computer worked yesterday?
10:55 xyz              VanessaE: dunno, it's not like I'm interested in looking into that at the moment
10:55 VanessaE         xyz: which makes me more than a little curious as to which issue you're talking about then
10:56 markveidemanis   fucking hell
10:56 markveidemanis   VanessaE, thats a lot of shit to sift through
10:57 VanessaE         markveidemanis: what is?
10:57 xyz              VanessaE: ah, I was talking about copy paste, right
10:58 VanessaE         xyz: right, see I was thinking, originally, about the problems you and proller already solved in fm, things like server lag on non-cURL join and how we're still piddle-farting around in mt with that (with sapier's work being our best shot so far)
11:00 VanessaE         or stupid little shit like this client crash on exit-to-menu that seem to be affecting some users
11:00 nore             markveidemanis, still want to know?
11:01 VanessaE         (happens to me also but I always exit to OS, so it never actually *affects* me, save for waiting for the connection to the server to time out)
11:12 markveidemanis   Hello againb
11:12 markveidemanis   Did i netsplit?
11:12 VanessaE         [01-03 05:59] * Guest20829 has quit (Client Quit)
11:12 markveidemanis   |How would i get node name, then textures?
11:13 markveidemanis   ItemDefManager was a complete fail
11:13 VanessaE         why do you need to get that?
11:13 markveidemanis   i got 700 kb of garbage and i wasnt going to sify through it
11:13 VanessaE         in-game there is a table you can consult to get nodenames
11:13 VanessaE         from there you can get all textures too
11:14 markveidemanis   WHIch table?
11:14 VanessaE         minetest.registered_nodes I guess
11:14 VanessaE         yeah
11:14 markveidemanis   so i shove that i  a mod
11:14 markveidemanis   how do i write to file in lua?
11:15 VanessaE         iterate through that, and check the wield_image, inventory_image, and tiles fields of each node name that comes back
11:15 VanessaE         look up io.open() and io.write() in the PiL.
11:15 markveidemanis   io.open("nodelist.txt")
11:17 markveidemanis   http://pastie.org/8596613
11:17 VanessaE         but what are you doing with all this anyway?
11:18 markveidemanis   to get the nodes and textures for minetestmapper
11:18 markveidemanis   so it would work
11:18 markveidemanis   the fancy slow, isometric one
11:18 VanessaE         not sure if your code will work
11:18 markveidemanis   attempt to call field 'resgistered_nodes' (a nil value)
11:19 VanessaE         but as for the isometric one (which is onomatopoeia) idk if that's what it wants or not
11:19 markveidemanis   my code was fine :P
11:19 markveidemanis   first mod !!
11:19 markveidemanis   you could say
11:19 VanessaE         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1601
11:19 VanessaE         minetest.registered_nodes is a table
11:19 VanessaE         not a function
11:19 VanessaE         iterate through it
11:19 markveidemanis   resgistered nodes i put
11:19 markveidemanis   fail :)
11:20 VanessaE         for node in ipairs(minetest.registered_nodes) do  ....  code here   ....  end
11:20 VanessaE         and you'd need to serialize the table for writing
11:20 VanessaE         and even then all you're doing is writing out a raw table
11:21 VanessaE         you'll still have to parse it from outside of minetest
11:21 nore             VanessaE, no... don't serialize it, write it in the correct format
11:22 VanessaE         nore: well, whatever the right format is, I'm not that good with writing out tables to a file
11:22 xyz              VanessaE: well what can I do about them not accepting our changes
11:23 VanessaE         xyz: nothing at all, but my point is they're not accepting *anyone's* changes in that subsystem right now.  my point is SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT
11:24 VanessaE         (that's not directed at you but at the devs who are responsible for accepting and rejecting the code that currently exists to fix the issue)
11:24 VanessaE         (which I presume is not your particular responsibility)
11:24 xyz              sapier's doing his tcp/udp stuff though which should fix that once and for all
11:24 VanessaE         until this morning, I've been using sapier build.
11:25 nore             VanessaE, about bundling irrlicht: it could fix a couple of other bugs too (like the broken "Local install" button)
11:25 VanessaE         I reverted to minetest vanilla to fix a conflict with the areas mod's HUD (which will probably be fixed once sapier rebases again)
11:25 VanessaE         but up to that point it seemed to work pretty good
11:25 VanessaE         though I have not tested his tcp code yet, ony the udp stuff
11:25 VanessaE         sapier's*
11:26 VanessaE         nore: ah, see I wasn't aware of that bug
11:27 VanessaE         xyz: problem is, with sapier's tcp/udp stuff is that no one in the team wants to just fucking say "ok, sapier, here's deal - you make this work properly in all common cases and we'll merge it."
11:27 nore             (the problem was that Irrlicht sets the local to the default locale in the system, so formspec gets broken if the locale does not use "." for floating point values)
11:27 VanessaE         it's all hemming and hawing about this or that or the other poossible alternative lib like enet or whatever
11:27 VanessaE         here's the deal*
11:27 VanessaE         I keep out words here there :P
11:28 VanessaE         nore: oh yes, I think I remember something about that
11:28 VanessaE         hey john
11:28 VanessaE         also, my typing sucks :P
11:33 * sfan5          puts a kitten on john_minetest's head
11:34 * MegafAtWork    like bunnies
11:34 * sfan5          puts a bunny on MegafAtWork's head
11:34 MegafAtWork      :)
11:34 MegafAtWork      My girlfriend would find that pretty cute
11:36 sfan5            take a picture!
11:36 VanessaE         heh
11:36 sfan5            :P
11:37 * sfan5          gimps a gimp using gimp
11:42 VanessaE         a weasel :P
11:43 VanessaE         (idk what he is actually)
12:04 * markveidemanis puts a dolphin on john_minetest's head
12:05 * john_minetest  puts an angry wilber on markveidemanis' head
12:05 * MegafAtWork    puts hair gel on everyones head
12:05 * zash           puts a panncake on the head of a bunny
12:05 VanessaE         heh
12:06 MegafAtWork      Wilber - > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP#Mascot
12:16 VanessaE         hey taoki
12:16 MegafAtWork      specing: Hi there
12:20 marko_           good day
12:21 marko_           question my sisters kid can t conect to my public server
12:22 marko_           i fowarded the port in my router
12:22 marko_           my brother is on the same network cnects ok
12:22 marko_           conects
12:26 marko_           minetestbot is not online
12:28 marko_           i have Linux mint
12:33 sfan5            marko_: MinetestBot it right here
12:33 sfan5            MinetestBot!
12:33 MinetestBot      sfan5!
12:34 marko_           do i write it in chat
12:39 MegafAtWork      MinetestBot!
12:39 MinetestBot      MegafAtWork!
12:39 marko_           ok can anyone try conecting
12:41 Hirato           MinetestBot!
12:41 MinetestBot      Hirato!
12:41 Hirato           Baguette!
12:42 marko_           can i give ip and port is it possible
12:42 marko_           fear of ban hammer
12:42 MegafAtWork      marko_: sure, you can do like
12:43 MegafAtWork      !up megaf.no-ip.info 30003
12:43 MinetestBot      megaf.no-ip.info:30003 is up (524ms)
12:43 MegafAtWork      replace with your address and port
12:43 marko_           192.168.1.207 30000
12:44 MegafAtWork      ok, lets start from tha begining
12:44 MegafAtWork      that IP is a local network IP
12:44 MegafAtWork      not an internet IP
12:44 marko_           yep
12:44 MegafAtWork      with that IP address you can only connect from your local network
12:45 MegafAtWork      marko_:  you can see your external IP here http://canihazip.com/
12:45 MinetestBot      192.168.1.207:30000 seems to be down
12:46 marko_           89.172.0.245
12:47 marko_           that is what i got on that web page
12:48 MegafAtWork      !up 89.172.0.245 30000
12:48 MinetestBot      89.172.0.245:30000 seems to be down
12:48 marko_           try now
12:48 MegafAtWork      marko_: now you need to set up a NAT rule on your modem
12:48 MegafAtWork      !up 89.172.0.245 30000
12:48 MinetestBot      89.172.0.245:30000 seems to be down
12:49 marko_           89.172.0.245 30003
12:49 marko_           reversed to 30000
12:50 marko_           i need to open port
12:50 marko_           just a sec
12:51 MegafAtWork      marko_:  you can do !up 89.172.0.245 30000
12:51 MegafAtWork      !up 89.172.0.245 30000
12:51 MinetestBot      89.172.0.245:30000 seems to be down
12:53 marko_           The highlighted local IP address does not lie within the IP address range of your device specified by the subnet mask. Please choose another address.
12:53 marko_           when i go to port fowarding
13:35 PilzAdam         Hello everyone!
13:36 nore             hi
13:37 VanessaE         hi'
13:40 iqualfragile     VanessaE: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?6b4ed906f8ace300#rNkf5OCc4GjbOccmG7t175G8hKegGQMRScgZXJQTcXY=
13:40 VanessaE         that...
13:40 VanessaE         is unhelpful
13:40 VanessaE         you didn't copy the whole error message
13:40 VanessaE         unexpected symbol nea' <--- near...what?
13:41 VanessaE         plus
13:41 VanessaE         it's impossible
13:41 VanessaE         the only thing on that line is a variable.
13:41 VanessaE         update your copy of pipeworks
13:41 VanessaE         and make sure you're using the master branch
13:42 VanessaE         the other branches are experimental and not ready for production use
13:46 iqualfragile     VanessaE: i do not quite understand why, but git pull resulted in a merge conflict
13:49 VanessaE         strange
13:49 VanessaE         maybe your local copy was hosed>
13:49 VanessaE         ?
14:03 Issa2013         my minetest is reallllyyy laaaaag
14:03 Issa2013         i have 9 - 10 fps
14:03 Issa2013         that's sucks
14:03 VanessaE         bbl
14:05 pitriss          Issa2013: fps is not lag.. lag is network problem, fps is graphics problem
14:07 Issa2013         ok pitriss
14:07 Issa2013         but same things my minetest is unplayable
14:08 pitriss          try to lower visible distance
14:16 Issa2013         pitriss, we ava cmmand to show all the map ?
14:18 pitriss          no there is not such command.. but if you want to change view range then R toggles between full and limited range and +/- set how far you can see
14:19 Issa2013         pitriss, http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52c6c6dc4d0be2.91773824.jpg
14:19 Issa2013         3 FPS
14:21 Issa2013         http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52c6c75ac3ee79.07912243.jpg
14:28 pitriss          stop trolling please.. I told you to reduce viewing range..
14:57 hoodedice        So...
15:12 Megaf            VanessaE, Hi, can you please tell me again how to save something with worldedit?
16:00 EvergreenTree    o/
16:00 Jordach          o/
16:03 kaeza            ( ^_^)人(^_^ )
16:06 xyz              ／人04◕ ‿‿ 04◕人＼
16:09 kaeza            +fap
16:09 Hirato           watching in formation
16:09 Hirato           aten-hutt
16:18 xyz              ITS DONE
16:18 xyz              BUILDCRAFT IS FINISHED
16:18 Jordach          say wut
16:19 Enke             It's gone?!
16:20 * Jordach        's head explodes from no reason
16:20 xyz              all apps are gone and developer account is gone too or so it seems
16:20 PilzAdam         and the ios version?
16:20 * Enke           jumps for joy!
16:20 zash             Context?
16:21 xyz              PilzAdam: dunno, I didn't submit DMCA for the iOS version
16:21 Jordach          everyone agree on changing the license to gpl
16:22 xyz              why?
16:22 Jordach          then we can stamp this shit out for good
16:22 kaeza            wut
16:22 xyz              don't understand you
16:22 xyz              how GPL would help us?
16:22 Hirato           GPL isn't allowed on the apple marketplace
16:23 Hirato           see: VLC
16:23 xyz              we have LGPL exactly for this reason — for someone to be able to do things like that
16:23 xyz              but legally, providing Minetest code
16:23 xyz              Hirato: let's be honest, lgpl isn't either
16:24 Hirato           yeah
16:25 zash             Hirato: Wasn't the case with VLC that an author demanded that it was removed?
16:26 xyz              I think one of VLC devs asked it to be removed
16:26 Hirato           it was more likely something about the mnot distributing the code
16:26 xyz              and I think the problem was that you weren't able to install it on any number of devices
16:28 UTB              hello
16:29 UTB              can someone help me understand how th autocrafter works?
16:29 Peacock          the Mastercraft Autocrafter 2000?
16:29 nore             UTB: the one in pipeworks?
16:30 xyz              well nice, guess we've managed to piss off all mobile users!
16:30 Peacock          huh howcome?
16:30 UTB              Yes, nore
16:30 nore             there is a 3x3 area at the top
16:30 nore             put the recipe here
16:31 nore             then in the bottom area, put items that are used in the recipe
16:31 nore             get the output in the top-right area
16:31 xyz              although last time it was gone too, for some days
16:31 nore             or: items inserted in the autocrafter will get in the bottom are
16:32 Peacock          the android version is gone, but i think there are still 1 or two ios versions out there
16:32 nore             and if you use a filter on it to get items, the output will be take from it
16:32 xyz              I don't care about the iOS version
16:33 xyz              others are free to submit more DMCA notices of course
16:33 STHGOM           how do you stop time?
16:33 Peacock          so did google pull it or the dev did?
16:33 xyz              not sure
16:34 UTB              why do i have to put the items used in the recipe
16:34 UTB              ?t?
16:34 Peacock          well i have a feeling vicono and playstarz are the only fake companies the guy can come up with
16:34 Peacock          *aren't
16:34 Peacock          god knows what name(s) he'll come up with next
16:36 xyz              well I'm fine with its existence so long as they publish the source
16:37 STHGOM           how do you stop time in minetest?
16:38 Peacock          /set -n time_speed 0 i think
16:38 kaeza            /set time_speed 0
16:39 STHGOM           ok ty
16:39 STHGOM           cya
16:46 Peacock          wow lol NK's Jang Song-Thaek was executed by being eaten alive by 120 starved dogs
16:47 Enke             Okay, the Norh Koreans are strange.
16:47 Peacock          the leader's own uncle lol i suppose he'll make canned preserves with his aunt XD
16:50 UTB              dang
16:50 UTB              thats gross
16:50 blaise           so, I can post my server on the forums?
16:51 Peacock          just check the public box :P
16:51 blaise           what public box?
16:51 Peacock          more people will notice :P
16:51 Peacock          theres creative, damage and public
16:52 Peacock          (boxes to tick)
16:52 blaise           ah..
16:52 ShadowNinja      blaise: He means server announcement.  It is broken sometimes in 0.4.9.
16:53 UTB              why do i have to put the items used in the recipe? for the autocrafter
16:54 blaise           I don't know how to enable those in the world.mt
16:54 blaise           and my server doesn't have a graphical interface...
16:55 Peacock          wasn't it sortof broken in 048 too? people been reporting issues longer than 2-3 days if i remember correctly
16:55 blaise           but if someone can point me to a forum post explaining it, or what the variables are that I need, I'll be more than happy to modify my config
16:55 Peacock          in 047 i was flooded with timeout messages
16:55 Peacock          minetest.conf -> server_announce = true
16:56 Peacock          make sure minetest's completely closed when you're doing that or it wont save
16:56 blaise           the server?
16:56 Peacock          server/client
16:57 blaise           I don't even have a minecraft.conf
16:57 blaise           I mean minetest.conf
16:57 * blaise         hides
16:57 Peacock          where the makefiles are
16:58 blaise           eh, my source tree was removed after installation
16:58 Peacock          me its /home/username/minetest-master/minetest.conf
16:58 Peacock          (alternatively, one level above the games and bin folders)
17:01 blaise           do I want v6.servers.minetest.net or servers.minetest.net ?
17:02 blaise           v6.servers.minetest.net I guess
17:08 blaise           time_speed = 0 will have same time dilation as real world, yes?
17:09 Peacock          no 0 means time doesn't move at all
17:09 blaise           1 = 24 hour days?
17:10 marko_           good evening
17:10 kaeza            evening
17:10 Peacock          1 should be a standard day yeah
17:11 Peacock          default is 72, so 72x faster (or 72 game minutes to each real minute)  - i think
17:14 blaise           17:14:04: ERROR[ServerThread]: Serverlist at url v6.servers.minetest.net error (Couldn't connect to server)
17:14 blaise           :\
17:15 blaise           Peacock: epic flail fail
17:15 Peacock          bizarre
17:16 ShadowNinja      blaise: Do you have IPv6?
17:18 xyz              you should only connect to v6 if you want to your ipv6 address to be shown on the list
17:18 blaise           no, I thought that ment mapgen v6
17:18 blaise           not ipv6
17:20 blaise           17:19:50: ACTION[ServerThread]: announcing to servers.minetest.net
17:20 blaise           woot!
17:20 blaise           :D
17:20 blaise           anyone that cares to connect.. midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000
17:21 blaise           I'm open to any suggestions about server config
17:21 blaise           I would like it to run as smooth as possible..
17:22 ShadowNinja      blaise: Check C55's server performance settings on the forum.
17:22 blaise           ShadowNinja: Your search returned no hits
17:23 ShadowNinja      blaise: forum.minetest.net -> servers -> Performance settings
17:24 UTB              when i use the auto crafter and i want to make a chest, i put the ingredients on the left box but it already used up the materials before i could even arrange them
17:24 UTB              how do i solve that problem
17:25 trauerlicht      hello there :) happy first weekend in the year :)
17:35 Peacock          power switch, coffee machine, broken... http://youtu.be/WWaLxFIVX1s
17:37 Peacock          ok this might be a stupid question, can i symlink from freeminer to my game and world folders in minetest (i can, but will it work?)
17:37 ShadowNinja      Peacock: Yes.
17:38 Peacock          cool, so i can switch back and forth without corrupting anything
17:40 Peacock          lol the average player on my server: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yppXAVb4uE0/T4261GxjpII/AAAAAAAADsY/vZ9mxvOdysU/s1600/heyyouapes.gif
17:48 blaise           why do people keep trying to supply empty passwords?
17:49 Peacock          could be a bug? sometimes im told i have the wrong password even though i never set one lol
17:49 kaeza            such secure
17:49 blaise           pfft
17:49 blaise           I've never had any problems.
17:50 Peacock          why would you need to secure a test map? lol
17:50 trauerlicht      Peacock: it could be THE testmap ever?!
17:50 blaise           so people can't log in as you?
17:50 blaise           and destroy all your hard work?
17:51 Peacock          testmap = not public, and if server running, then it stands to reason im already logged in and no one else can with my name lol
17:51 blaise           mine is public
17:52 blaise           and it's a standalone server...
17:52 blaise           I log in remotely with a client from a different machine..
17:52 blaise           the server is currently running headless...
17:52 blaise           Peacock: you're more than welcome to check out my progress.. midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000
17:53 blaise           :)
17:53 Peacock          im actually waiting for shit to die down on my public server so i can test FM
17:54 kaeza            [14:49:31] <Peacock> could be a bug? sometimes im told i have the wrong password even though i never set one lol
17:54 Peacock          yeah that is weird
17:54 Peacock          how can it be wrong if there isn't one?
17:54 dipseydoodle_    Good afternoon. Could somebody please tell me where I would find my Minetest Folder on Ubuntu? I downloaded it from the Ubuntu Software Center
17:54 Peacock          though im pretty sure thats the lua menu behaving strangely, never got that before
17:54 kaeza            dipseydoodle_, ~/.minetest
17:55 Jordach          dipseydoodle_, /home/<you>/.minetest
17:56 dipseydoodle_    Sorry, I'm having a hard time finding that. I'm pretty new to Linux (being a mac user) I see a Home/Public folder but nothing after that.
17:56 Jordach          dipseydoodle_, ctrl + h in the file manager
17:56 Jordach          or view -> show hidden files
17:56 Peacock          he's looking for minetest not pron
17:57 dipseydoodle_    Your my herro. Thanks
17:57 Peacock          :P
17:57 dipseydoodle_    Mods go in there then?
17:57 blaise           Peacock: all files startin with . are hidden
17:57 Jordach          in .minetest/mods
17:57 Jordach          not sure if they're game dependant
17:57 dipseydoodle_    Ok so I can make my own folder then?
17:57 Peacock          tho why would minetest be hidden?
17:58 blaise           so morons don't delete it..
17:58 dipseydoodle_    I wonder too. On mac their all in an application support folder and I was expecting that kinda thing
17:58 dipseydoodle_    Oh lol
17:58 dipseydoodle_    thanks again
17:58 Peacock          freetards are supposed to be smarter than wintards, its not like /boot/grub is hidden :P
17:59 blaise           Peacock: ls -la still shows all files prefixed with a .
18:00 dipseydoodle_    Please lets not talk about windows :P
18:01 Peacock          allright, we'll take about doors and cheap double glazing :D
18:02 dipseydoodle_    lol
18:02 dipseydoodle_    Although I begining to resent Apple now too
18:02 kaeza            suddenly: ReactOS
18:02 Peacock          lol reactOS is pretty old
18:03 dipseydoodle_    And so limmited with apps right now
18:03 Peacock          apple is fine its their users i can't stand lol
18:03 Jordach          if something is shit, why copy shit
18:04 kaeza            it's 9001% Shitdows compatible
18:04 dipseydoodle_    Peacick that would have been me until steave died
18:04 blaise           BeOS
18:04 blaise           lmao
18:04 kaeza            BSOD guaranteed!
18:04 xyz              STOP SPENDING YOUR TIME IN A WAY I DON'T LIKE!!!
18:04 xyz              ^ every reactos hater
18:04 dipseydoodle_    I tried reactOs a while ago but to be honest Wine is just as good
18:05 trauerlicht      apple is fine? why? i dont find any argument.
18:06 Peacock          well they can spend their time however they like lol im just noting i tried that thing years ago, and then it was dead, and suddenly it picked up again
18:06 Peacock          tried it around the same time i tried Beos i think
18:10 Peacock          can i rename players? say they sign in with Guest####, i could rename them to douche## before they spawn, (or some random dictionary word)
18:12 pitriss          Peacock: it should be easy with that prejoin callback
18:20 Peacock          prejoin allows me to reject a connection and give a reason, but not to change the player's name i think
18:20 Peacock          simply telling someone to chose a proper name is pretty useless if they don't happen to speak english lol
18:20 Peacock          err, read
18:44 Calinou          achievement get: 400 link karma on reddit
18:44 * Calinou        looks at Minetest 0.4.9, and runs away
18:45 Peacock          women love big karma :P
18:48 Peacock          shouldn't players who don't respawn after x time be timed out automatically?
18:56 markvei94        Hi
18:56 markvei94        ...
18:57 markveidemanis   Got a nice kindle keyboardsashtr]
18:58 markveidemanis   bluetooth :
18:58 markveidemanis   )]
18:58 Peacock          sdguoihfdgoi indeed
18:59 markveidemanis   hi cock
19:00 markveidemanis   this renders my old netbook useless
19:00 Peacock          netbooks can hold more pron
19:00 markveidemanis   however the enter key could be bigger
19:00 markveidemanis   yeah 270GB
19:00 markveidemanis   lol out of 300 <jkkj>
19:03 zsoltisawesome   !seen us|0gb
19:03 MinetestBot      zsoltisawesome: us|0gb was last seen at 2013-12-16 03:51:16 UTC on #minetest
19:03 zsoltisawesome   !seen lord cirth
19:03 zsoltisawesome   fail
19:03 zsoltisawesome   !seen lordcirth
19:03 MinetestBot      zsoltisawesome: Sorry, I haven't seen lord around.
19:03 MinetestBot      zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest
19:03 PilzAdam         "My *** was bigger then i thought" – https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124257#p124257
19:03 zsoltisawesome   :|
19:04 Peacock          lol
19:05 PilzAdam         he also made this topic: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7699
19:05 PilzAdam         am I allowed to advertise my mod too like this?
19:05 xyz              no
19:05 PilzAdam         "My mod is cooler than I thought"
19:06 Megaf            PilzAdam, sure you can
19:06 Megaf            I allow you
19:06 zsoltisawesome   guys: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8178
19:06 Megaf            And am I? I'm the chosen one
19:06 Megaf            Who Am I? I'm the chosen one
19:06 Peacock          maybe minetest.net could just highlight a different mod each day
19:07 zsoltisawesome   that would be nice
19:07 zsoltisawesome   cause its had to find good mods
19:07 zsoltisawesome   *hard
19:07 Peacock          not to mention the copies of copies of copies not knowing which one is maintained
19:07 PilzAdam         zsoltisawesome, you just have to look for "by PilzAdam" to find good mods
19:07 zsoltisawesome   btw does anyone know batch scripting?
19:07 zsoltisawesome   really?
19:08 zsoltisawesome   that helpful, thanks
19:08 xyz              hey! how about we make animu about minetest instead?
19:08 zsoltisawesome   that would be better...
19:08 xyz              last time someone made slightly-open-source-related VN we've got Katawa Shoujo
19:09 xyz              imagine what could someone do with Minetest
19:10 xyz              if you didn't know then >Katawa Shoujo […]  is a bishōjo-style visual novel by Four Leaf Studios that tells a story of a young man and five young women living with varying disabilities.
19:10 Peacock          figured geeks would like vulnerable women lol
19:11 zsoltisawesome   how is it open source related?
19:12 xyz              it's distributed under some creativecommons license
19:12 xyz              ah, CC-BY-NC-ND, isn't very open-sourcy
19:12 xyz              guess I was wrong then
19:12 zsoltisawesome   guys: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6686439/, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6686444/ <---- hehe all even numbers
19:14 zsoltisawesome   btw the second link is the log, not the acual program output
19:16 zsoltisawesome   YAY
19:25 Peacock          im guessing destrozado means destroy, the rest of the message is in all  caps lol
19:26 Naked            destroyed
19:30 xyz              > Yes. I have a friend that torrents games. I sort of stopped being friends w/ him.
19:30 Peacock          a little extreme lol
19:30 xyz              "i've reported him to police" would be better
19:31 Peacock          lol you serious?
19:31 xyz              in being extreme, of course
19:31 Peacock          oh ok lol
19:31 xyz              sometimes I feel like they're not even trying to shitpost
19:31 Peacock          well i dont really believe that either dont torrent anything
19:31 xyz              wait, this discussion was about iOS port
19:32 Jordach          >iOS Port
19:32 Jordach          lol
19:32 Jordach          you're joking :)
19:32 Peacock          naw, two apps so far
19:32 Peacock          buildcraft and freeworld for ios
19:32 Jordach          in other news, i purchased something you'd shame me for
19:32 xyz              dragon dildo?
19:32 Peacock          a prostitute?
19:32 Jordach          double nope.avi
19:33 PilzAdam         "things not to say in #minetest"
19:33 xyz              what things?
19:33 Jordach          it costs $30 USD
19:33 xyz              I'm patient and I respect other users
19:34 xyz              you got me, I have no idea how much dragon dildos cost
19:34 * Jordach        swaps windows from said game and slaps xyz
19:34 Peacock          that's a little harsh isn't it? slapping someone with your dildo :/
19:35 Jordach          saints row beat me to it
19:36 zsoltisawesome   lol
19:39 xyz              oh you bought a shitty pc game or?
19:41 xyz              that topic about "MASTER MOD 1.0" is a stupid trolling, isn't it?
19:41 PilzAdam         NO! IT WILL BE EPIC!
19:41 Peacock          AWESOME??!!??
19:42 xyz              awww, it's hard to shitpost
19:42 xyz              people will think I'm an administrator or someshit like this
19:42 Jordach          xyz, correct
19:43 xyz              but in the wonderful world of irc everybody's equal
19:43 zsoltisawesome   brb, gona eaat
19:44 xyz              I wanted to post something like this http://i.imgur.com/GtJgImM.jpg but I'm afraid that's inappropriate
19:45 Peacock          it's mostly 12 year olds in FPS's call each other faggots, adults use douche or retard lol
19:45 xyz              fag
19:45 Naked            and dick
19:47 Peacock          which is ironic because its not like 12 year olds have much experience either way, and FPS's tend to be sausagefests lol
19:48 Peacock          Naked http://carlindustries.com/ciwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/spotted_dick-640x480.jpeg
19:49 zash             Microwaveable!
19:50 Jordach          xyz, +1
19:50 * Jordach        wants you to post that
19:50 Peacock          zash http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/season_14/sp_1403_clip04.jpg
19:51 xyz              fuck
19:52 xyz              I hoped they added a way to buy Windows 8.1
19:53 xyz              oh well
19:53 PilzAdam         maybe the master mod author thinks "coding" means "writing something with full capslock in a forum post"
19:54 xyz              "Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro are upgrade versions only. If you want the full version of Windows 8 or want to install Windows on a Mac, please call us at 1-877-696-7786 to purchase."
19:54 PilzAdam         ^ spam
19:56 Peacock          http://rolande.files.wordpress.com/2005/01/spam-can.jpg
19:57 xyz              Peacock: you should add more cute girls to your pics
19:58 Peacock          i dont make them i just find 'em lol
19:59 zash             CAN SPAM
20:00 markveidemanis   ]
20:00 markveidemanis   I can use the keyboard on my pc
20:01 markveidemanis   unconfortasbleas hell
20:01 Peacock          english women? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LfQ9u0cJxyE/TMfwl01gwzI/AAAAAAAAD9g/sRRRhFgyhwI/s320/DurasSisters.jpg
20:01 markveidemanis   i also got a FUCKING 1920x1080 monitor from hp
20:02 Peacock          why would you fuck a monitor? some sort of weird electro-stimulation or ?
20:02 zash             Peacock: It's the monitor that fucks, obviously
20:03 UTB              wtf ^^
20:03 Peacock          ?
20:04 UTB              monitor that fucks
20:04 Peacock          lol "North Carolina city councillor David Waddell resigns. In Klingon."
20:09 Peacock          i have 3 people going by names admin (different capitalizations) lol
20:09 Calinou          a monitor likes it at less than 60 hz
20:09 Calinou          except G-sync monitors or 120/144Hz monitors, who like it fast
20:09 Peacock          until it hz too much
20:13 trauerlicht      how much bandwith does minetest need to run basicly smooth?
20:13 sfan5            trauerlicht: 100 KB/s up & down I guess
20:13 sfan5            or maybe moe
20:13 sfan5            more*
20:17 proller          5-10лизы
20:17 proller          kbps
20:18 Peacock          <player> im a hacker! [5 mins later] <player>can i have fly? lol
20:19 trauerlicht      5-10 kbps or 100kbps?
20:26 blaise           PilzAdam: how do I get the area mod to work?
20:27 sfan5            trauerlicht: something inbetween
20:31 trauerlicht      sfan5: is there a tool to test this?
20:31 sfan5            any tool to moniter network send/recv rate should do it
20:35 MinetestBot      GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add mesecon:register_on_mvps_move, fix mesecon:mvps_pull_all b0f81a8c62 2014-01-03T02:04:19-08:00 http://git.io/0m2eAg
20:38 trauerlicht      nethogs seems to be promising
20:45 blaise           what is a good protect mod ?
20:46 blaise           I got ShadowNinja's areas mod..
20:46 blaise           but I can't find how to configure it
20:46 blaise           ShadowNinja: you alive?
20:48 trauerlicht      sfan5: wheres your server? germany?
20:49 sfan5            yep
20:49 trauerlicht      im just logging on your server - about 6kbps
20:51 * sfan5          just added automatic crash logging to his servet
20:51 sfan5            server*
20:52 sfan5            trauerlicht: try joining again, I just restarted
20:52 trauerlicht      lol ... splashed my pw
20:53 trauerlicht      i love that error message: 21:45:10: ERROR[main]: Something failed
20:57 trauerlicht      item definitions -
20:57 sfan5            it may be a bit slow, I'm running debug build for crash reporting purposes
21:03 specing          proller: unified inventory doesent work anymore @ sky
21:04 proller          disabled, because slow
21:04 trauerlicht      i just restarted the connection. your server does not work anymore. sfan5
21:04 proller          specing, or enable>
21:04 proller          ?
21:04 sfan5            trauerlicht: try again
21:05 specing          D:
21:05 specing          unified inventory is slow?
21:05 trauerlicht      runs
21:05 specing          and you have mobs enabled? 0.o
21:08 proller          yes
21:09 Ubuntu-Tester    In the Mods tab how do u get "Online mod repository" workin every time i click it it dont work
21:14 trauerlicht      sfan5: vote command does not work - issue
21:14 trauerlicht      sfan5: no permission
21:16 Calinou          trauerlicht, 200Kb/s per client, down/up
21:16 Calinou          at worst
21:17 proller          for what?
21:18 proller          maybe for initial recieving media
21:58 blaise           anyone know how the areas protection mod works?
21:58 blaise           I can't seem to get it working
21:58 blaise           ShadowNinja: you alive?
22:26 SegFault22       Hello all
22:26 Peacock          greetings
22:27 SegFault22       Where's us_0gb?
22:27 blaise           Peacock: do you know how areas mod works?
22:27 Peacock          which one? there are dozens lol
22:27 SegFault22       oh :P
22:27 Peacock          we call them YAPMs now (Yet Another Protection Mod) :P
22:29 blaise           the one by ShadowNinja
22:30 blaise           I want it to be configured so only those who create nodes can destroy them
22:30 blaise           I thought I set it up properly in minetest.conf but it's not working
22:30 blaise           areas.self_protection = true
22:31 blaise           Peacock: is that the right setting?
22:31 Peacock          then what you want is indiv node ownership
22:31 Peacock          pretty easy, reconfig the built in place node to store the owner name in the meta
22:31 Peacock          and the dig node to check it
22:31 blaise           ?!
22:32 Peacock          though then people can grief by putting t heir blocks in doorways, so you wanna check that they're not placing nodes near owned nodes
22:32 Peacock          cuz the areas mod protects whole areas, not indiv. nodes anywhere
22:32 blaise           yeah, that's what I want..
22:32 blaise           but I can't figure it out
22:34 blaise           ./area_pos set
22:34 blaise           then I punch two nodes..
22:34 blaise           but, then what?
22:36 SegFault22       ? What?
22:37 SegFault22       Do you know what us_0gb did with the fuel-table he was working on?
22:47 SegFault22       finding rather unnerving stuff on the chat logs from 05:17...
22:49 SegFault22       so us_0bg is gone...
22:49 SegFault22       Oh well.
22:49 SegFault22       bye
23:04 harrison         04,11memehopper
23:05 harrison         that is the spirit!
23:05 harrison         go go memehopper go
23:06 Peacock          paramat here?
23:16 paramat          yes
23:16 proller          http://minetest.setun.net/map.road/map-road.png
23:17 proller          paramat, yet another fractal ^
23:19 paramat          i like the look of that
23:19 paramat          heh busy server
23:20 arsdragonfly     Mandelbrot set?
23:21 proller          mg_math = {"generator":"hypercomplex", "scale":0.0001, "N":12, "interior_mode": 1, "center":{"x":20000, "y":1, "z":0}}
23:21 proller          ^ fm only feature ;)
23:22 proller          http://wiki.mandelbulber.com/images/0/0f/Image_-_hypercomplex.jpg
23:22 zash             So you haven't gotten to the good parts yet?
23:22 zash             :)
23:22 paramat          hypercomplex ... i guess a 3D fractal or 3 dimensional slice of 4+D
23:22 Peacock          paramat those weird lines you're getting, i dont think its mgv6
23:22 paramat          ?
23:22 Peacock          my shield gen uses vmanip to create bubbles (spheres)
23:23 Peacock          and  there are outlines of circles
23:23 paramat          interesting
23:24 harrison         have u seen the fracktal voxel raytracer yet?
23:24 Peacock          http://s17.postimg.org/vynq1z28d/screenshot_1516303242.png
23:24 harrison         -- not you Peacock i know you have
23:24 paramat          i got those lines pre-LVM too
23:24 paramat          harrison i've seen some of your videos
23:25 Peacock          but why would i be getting circles? didn't do this in 047
23:25 Peacock          apart from the fact i drew a sphere lol
23:26 paramat          guess it's time to ping the king ...
23:29 paramat          hi hmmmm, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1077 i had assumed this was an old well known bug but couldn't find it in issues
23:31 paramat          wow Pea, far out screenshot
23:34 paramat          i doubt those circles are the same bug as the chunk edge lines
23:40 paramat          ... they look like intersection curves of spheres, perhaps caused by previous bubbles ... ?
23:48 * sfan5          laughs uncontrollably
23:53 Darkangel        When 1 makes a NEW Mod for Minetest how does 1 get it launched?
23:54 paramat          !seen 1
23:54 MinetestBot      paramat: Sorry, I haven't seen 1 around.
23:54 blaise           how can I make a grate or screen for a chimney?
23:54 Darkangel        kk
23:54 blaise           people keep sliding down my chimney and stealing my furnace.. :(
23:55 Darkangel        well Basicly done made it just need to make another round of enpeaction
23:57 paramat          mountain river in flexrealm http://i.imgur.com/MLnwqJM.png