Time  Nick            Message
02:14 PilzAdam        bye
04:26 OWNSyouAll      What is userdata? I'm trying to get the inventory of a node and it comes back as a table of userdata
05:02 Inocudom        What does RealBadAngel's normal maps generator look like with HDX?
05:06 VanessaE        haven't tried it.
07:18 reactor         EHLO
07:18 reactor         OldCoder: how's the survival going?
10:25 reactor         Hello everybrony.
10:26 reactor         ?
10:27 reactor         My big face when I look at you with disgust.
10:39 blubblubb       'orses
11:13 Progers         Hello
11:14 pitriss         Progers: hi
11:21 xming           hi how do I generate a new world with "minetestserver" ?
11:25 xming           ah I need to mkdir world
11:26 reactor         Mesecons developers, y u no give direct link on your site?
11:26 reactor         I had to enable goddamn jscript to access it!
11:27 xming           I don't need js to access the site
11:29 reactor         Oh.
11:29 reactor         Somehow, I had to enable it in order to get the button to work.
11:30 reactor         Why have to use those awful buttons if it can be done with simple links?
11:30 specing         proller: the sky stargate really needs fixing
11:30 specing         proller: its deactivated
11:31 specing         I died and now I can't reach 0,0,0 :(
11:31 pitriss         john_minetest: those buttons really don't work without JS.. And the same look can be reached also with CSS styled links.. so reactors idea is valid:)
11:33 pitriss         <input type="button" class = "button" value = "Download" onclick="window.open('https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/zipball/master')"> //this will not work without JS
11:33 pitriss         window.open is JS :)
11:35 pitriss         Nope.. this is just js code.. i was webcoder some years ago.. and this will not work on browsers without JS
11:36 pitriss         so these buttons are really shitty:) They can be done via CSS.. IDK noscript but try to turn off JS completely
11:36 thexyz          shit I also had to enable TCP/IP, HTTP, dns, html AND css to access your stupid site
11:36 thexyz          what the fuck?
11:37 pitriss         thexyz: maybe someone will want to download it from their site with text based browser which doesn't support js?:)
11:37 pitriss         common situation on servers without xserver/fb:)
11:37 thexyz          yeah those people tend to whine the most ignoring the fact no one cares about supporting those browsers
11:38 thexyz          on server you just wget the url you got from browsing your site with your usual browser
11:39 reactor         Yes, but in order to wget you have to know the link clearly.
11:39 reactor         Also, some people disable js in their browser.
11:39 reactor         Including me.
11:40 pitriss         thexyz: heh okay.. but why when I'm on mesecons.net I need to browse source of that page instead right click on buttona and select "copy link"?
11:40 thexyz          yeah and they expect site owners to care which is strange
11:40 reactor         I don't want to waste CPU cycles on unnecessary shit that could be done properly.
11:40 reactor         s/done/avoided if things are being done/
11:40 thexyz          then please don't talk it here
11:40 thexyz          because you just do that
11:41 thexyz          muh cpu cycles
11:41 thexyz          muh waste
11:41 thexyz          anyway, the fact that it requires js to download is really strange
11:42 thexyz          but I'm afraid you can't do anything but whine because Jeija is missing D:
11:42 pitriss         thexyz: that button thing is bad.. you can't copy link from there in some normal way.. browsing source code isn't really normal
11:42 thexyz          pitriss: you click it and then copy it from your downloads
11:42 reactor         I'm not whihing.
11:42 thexyz          if you really want to
11:42 thexyz          "I'm not whining, I'm complaining"
11:42 reactor         I'm complaining about a convenience-relevant peoblem.
11:42 thexyz          yeah yeah
11:43 reactor         But whatever. He's not here, so I will contact him when he is here. If I bother to remember.
11:43 thexyz          you're wasting your precious cpu cycles by complaining, you should stop doing that because that's not going to change anything
11:43 reactor         .-10,.s/eoblem/roblem/
11:43 pitriss         reactor: use !tell or how was named that bot function
11:43 reactor         I'm wasting less of them complaining than processing shitty scripting.
11:43 thexyz          you should stop wasting your precious cpu cycles and, I dunno, send a pull request here https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net
11:44 reactor         pitriss: I prefer not to outsource criticism.
11:47 thexyz          I've found a file which you need to change! https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net/blob/master/index.php
11:48 reactor         oh, I see.
11:48 reactor         Well, that would require me bothering more than I planned to bother today.
11:48 thexyz          I didn't expect anything else from you
11:49 reactor         There are many things out there that pass the annoyance threshold, yet not pass the care enough to bother threshold.
11:51 thexyz          it's all clear now that you're only interested in complaining about things, not fixing them; you can stop with that talk now
11:52 thexyz          even if it's a two-lines change or a one-line issue
11:52 reactor         That would require learning proper GIT, which requires a suitable chunk of interrupt-free time.
11:54 thexyz          sending an issue via github issue tracker would require learning git, noted
11:54 thexyz          ah, it probably uses javascript which is unacceptable
11:54 reactor         Web-interfaces are annoying and should die.
11:55 reactor         ...unless they become more typist-friendly.
11:55 thexyz          I'll have to agree then; the circumstances made it impossible for you to do something about this issue
11:55 thexyz          so the only thing you can do (and what you do!) is to complain in this little IRC channel
11:55 thexyz          much appreciated.
11:55 reactor         I will gladly bother it when I know the right tools.
11:56 thexyz          right tools are here! first, you need a non-hipster browser, like, any browser
11:56 thexyz          then you navigate to https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net/issues/new and fill the fields in
11:56 thexyz          then you press the green button
12:10 MinetestBot     john_minetest!
12:12 proller         specing, okay, i will buld new gate
12:14 proller         http://minetest.setun.net/map.math/map-math.png - best map ;)
12:16 reactor         What is that grey thing?
12:16 reactor         A road?
12:16 proller         need embed http server to mt, and server json with positions and maybe tiles and no problem with realtime map
12:17 proller         reactor, like bones
12:17 reactor         So many bones?
12:17 reactor         Oh.
12:17 proller         nonono, structure bone
12:18 proller         john_minetest, you can write positions to static file every second
12:18 proller         now json_writer included
12:18 proller         serve it via http server, and get grom browser
12:20 proller         who will update this file?
12:21 proller         i wrote about it ^^
12:22 proller         reactor, grey is stone
12:22 reactor         proller: I see.
12:23 reactor         I thought, maybe it's a road made of stone.
12:26 thexyz          yes, we could just have a mod which updates some file every 10 seconds, for example
12:26 thexyz          now we need someone to write an isometric mapper
12:30 specing         proller: yaaaay
12:39 thexyz          I don't remember it working very well
12:40 thexyz          oh, it did?
12:40 thexyz          maybe I was thinking about another one then
12:40 thexyz          can I put it in cronjob?
12:40 thexyz          and where do I download it
12:42 thexyz          I remember having to manually browse the map or something like that
12:43 thexyz          meeeh
12:44 thexyz          yeah, this is what I was talking about
12:44 thexyz          I think this is unacceptable and it's too bad this mapper is no longer in development
12:45 thexyz          keep believing that
12:46 thexyz          yes, the results are nice
12:46 thexyz          I want my map to be created fast and updated and I certainly don't want to waste my time selecting the tiles manually
12:47 * Jordach       thinks a SimCity style game would work in minetest
12:48 thexyz          https://github.com/Zeg9/mtgm/blob/master/TODO
12:48 thexyz          I think that's not true
12:48 thexyz          "press F12 for each."
12:49 reactor         Speaking of keys.
12:49 reactor         Why are those "chat entry" and "command entry" windows still used?
12:49 reactor         There is a nice console with scrollback and history!
12:50 reactor         (I've seen a patch that allows the console to be mapped to alphanum keys instead, but it has never been integrated)
12:50 thexyz          hm... doesn't seem to work for me at all
12:51 thexyz          apparently it doesn't take screenshots or something
12:52 thexyz          well it's bad that it doesn't work, I guess some day I'll continue making my mapper
12:52 thexyz          which eats ram and can't do nodeboxes and shit
12:52 thexyz          RealBadAngel: https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/issues/24
12:55 thexyz          http://armarium.org/u/2013/12/23/Rn2qx7fBCs.gif
13:11 specing         proller: I'm surprised at how fast your server is wrt. loading content
13:11 specing         Is that a freeminer thing?
13:16 thexyz          yes his server runs FM
13:18 Hirato          speaking of screenshots, Y U NO DEFAULT TO ~/.freeminer/screenshots ?
13:35 reactor         Is whatever mod creating enemy mobs still expensive to run?
13:36 Hirato          probably :D
13:41 specing         proller: did you fix the gate? it doesen't look fixed. Did you move it?
13:42 Hirato          which is the math server?
13:46 Hirato          that one that shows up as Xenodreambuie ?
13:48 Hirato          yay, forever loading
13:48 Hirato          can't even blame my torrents
13:50 Hirato          still, still "loading item definitions"
13:53 Hirato          disconnected, whoo
13:55 Hirato          several more attempts, it's finalyl trying media :o
13:56 Hirato          sure are a lot of bones i nthe spawning area
14:00 sapier          Hiratio what server are you connectiong to?
14:00 Hirato          that 'math' one,  Xenodreambuie
14:01 Hirato          appears to have lagged out, not handling any mount input
14:01 Hirato          minetest sure is overzealous with capturing the cursor...
14:03 sapier          I filed that bug years ago, someone claimed it to be a windowmanager bug ... as I can't proof anything different ;-)
14:17 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
14:17 reactor         EHLO
14:18 zash            501 Syntax: EHLO hostname
14:19 PilzAdam        wtf? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=123329#p123329
14:27 specing         lol
14:27 specing         lol the previous post
14:30 EvergreenTree   ~EvergreenTree@unaffiliated/evergreentree
14:30 EvergreenTree   \o\
14:32 PilzAdam        ~PilzAdam@unaffiliated/pilzadam
14:32 PilzAdam        \o\
14:32 specing         ~specing@unaffiliated/specing
14:32 specing         \o\
14:33 EvergreenTree   unaffiliated@unaffiliated/unaffiliated
14:34 specing         affiliated@affiliated/unaffiliated
14:56 EvergreenTree   Hi Enke
14:56 Enke            'ello EvergreenTree
15:03 reactor         Creative inventory gone?!
15:03 Enke            reactor: What?
15:03 reactor         ?!!
15:03 reactor         Well, eh.
15:04 reactor         I have enabled creative in server config, no creative inventory.
15:07 OldCoder        reactor, thanks for the inquiry. I am in the process of moving IRL.
15:07 reactor         Good!
15:07 reactor         So how are you doing?
15:16 reactor         All I get is a Survival mode inventory.
15:16 reactor         This is strange.
15:32 thexyz          Hirato: please submit an issue
15:34 thexyz          also proller's modpack is probably the most bloated one no wonder it lags
15:39 thexyz          sfan5: http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/39127303
15:40 thexyz          hm I guess he uses both mobs mods
15:40 thexyz          and weather too
15:57 specing         proller: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2656 + disable the drop part
16:04 EvergreenTree   o/
16:05 kaeza           greetings
16:06 Enke            o/
16:10 reactor         I forget, do I need to forward both TCP and UDP?
16:12 reactor         mk
16:23 OWNSyouAll      reactor, both if i remember
16:24 OWNSyouAll      yeah i have both udp and tcp forwarded in my firewall
16:24 reactor         mk
16:25 reactor         hmm.
16:25 reactor         I figured. Only UDP.
16:31 thexyz          specing: won't that turn the game into a lagfest?
16:31 rubenwardy      Hi all
16:32 thexyz          reactor: it seems sapier's working hard on adding TCP into Minetest so soon (or not) you'll need to allow both TCP and UDP
16:32 reactor         oh
16:32 reactor         For what? Media handling?
16:33 Hirato          probably for the reliable stuff, like sending blocks
16:33 reactor         oh
16:33 specing         thexyz: maybe.
16:33 OWNSyouAll      Yeah i've had that happen to me spend 5 minutes placing blocks and then i come back and they are all gone :/
16:36 specing         thexyz: but hey, its freeminer, its supposed to be amazing
16:37 reactor         Lag fests are not amazing eh.
16:39 rubenwardy      Freeminer has more optimisation, but then they added more features which ruin the benefit, it appears.
16:39 Jordach         evening
16:43 sepi            How can I spawn a mobf animal using a command?
16:53 rubenwardy      Merged
16:53 rubenwardy      :P
16:53 markveidemanis  sepi: iirc it was /spawnmob
16:54 rubenwardy      Thankeee you, john_minetest.
16:54 * rubenwardy    just downloaded the Android SDK
16:55 sepi            markveidemanis: thanks a lot
16:59 * rubenwardy    got 1,800,000 on temple run
17:00 qwebirc65657    where is megaf
17:00 qwebirc65657    I need to speack to him
17:01 qwebirc65657    hello
17:01 qwebirc65657    anyone here
17:02 qwebirc65657    hello
17:02 thexyz          specing: it indeed is more optimized (i.e. it's possible to host more than 10 players) but there's still much work to do
17:02 qwebirc65657    does anyone know megaf
17:03 qwebirc65657    PLEASE RESPOND
17:03 reactor         qwebirc65657: he comes here, periodically. Okay?
17:03 reactor         Webchat is evil.
17:03 OWNSyouAll      how to tell that someone has never used irc
17:05 sepi            How can I debug a missing mob name? I create my own animal for the mobf but cannot spawn it and get an "Unknown modname >mymod<" error. Any idea how I can debug this?
17:06 OWNSyouAll      sepi, type /mods do you see mymod in there?
17:06 sepi            OWNSyouAll: yeah, but it doesn't show up in /listdefinedmobs
17:07 sepi            could a broken model be a problem?
17:07 OWNSyouAll      dont know never used mobs
17:07 reactor         So, mobs are still expensive to run?
17:07 reactor         I mean, on servers?
17:09 meldrian        Guten Abend
17:09 meldrian        eeeehhh heloo
17:11 thexyz          yes
17:11 reactor         Идея.Рщц учзутышму,
17:11 reactor         Oops.
17:11 reactor         How expensive?
17:11 reactor         10 mobs already much?
17:12 thexyz          not sure, also there are two mods or so
17:12 reactor         mk
17:12 thexyz          one is mobf by sapier and another one is mobs by PilzAdam
17:13 thexyz          PilzAdam: by the way!
17:13 thexyz          PilzAdam: plz fix https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs/blob/master/api.lua#L31
17:15 phantombeta     Hi
17:17 reactor         ...is it possible to make players' nicks disappear when they're behind something?
17:17 reactor         It really kills all surprise element while deathmatching.
17:17 meldrian        good question reactor ;)
17:18 Peacock         just noticed, chanserv welcomes the germans and spanish, but not the english, racist chanserv XD
17:19 reactor         ChavServ does greet me.
17:19 Peacock         nor does it mention the french, the russians or the portuguese channels XD
17:19 reactor         Also, o/ Peacock.
17:20 Peacock         howdyy
17:21 kaeza           well, -br and -fr are pretty much dead (-fr has 2 users, one of which is CS)
17:21 Peacock         im severely disappointed though that the Russians released the greenpeace activists, should have sunk their boat
17:21 rubenwardy      ChanServ greets me
17:23 Peacock         kaeza speaking of which, check this out lol http://youtu.be/1ADX1opI7Vg
17:24 reactor         Greenpeace are a bunch of hipsters and panickers.
17:24 kaeza           inb4 rickroll
17:24 reactor         They aren't doing anything real to protect the planet, just talking and disrupting people's work.
17:24 Peacock         i saw the montrealer greenpeace dude in the media, guys' got the whole fidel castro beard thing going
17:24 reactor         ...which only causes expenses.
17:25 Peacock         well they break the law and think they're above it because they're environmentalists, yet they expect to have stricter environmental laws... logic?
17:25 reactor         Yep.
17:26 Peacock         speaking of logic, i read on /. that france wants to tax youtube... guess they ran out of things to tax in france XD
17:27 reactor         France = broke?
17:28 Peacock         well they did elect a socialist so it should probably come as no surprise lol
17:29 Peacock         though even Argentina and Zimbabwe are having economic/liquidity troubles, methinks that might have something to do with the US winding down QE
17:29 reactor         QE?
17:29 Peacock         quantitative easing/stimulus/printing $
17:32 sfan5           !title
17:32 MinetestBot     sfan5: HUEHUEHUE BR BR?! Brazilian Gamers - YouTube
17:32 * sfan5         puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
17:36 Peacock         so sad though in the last week there have been so many fires, one house burnt down because of faulty light circuits, another house had a tree next to the fireplace (bright), and in my last city a whole apartment block when up in flames the day before christmas
17:39 * NekoGloop     curls up in sfan5's lap
17:39 reactor         *sneeze* Do not mention those, sfan5!
17:39 * NekoGloop     hisses at reactor
17:40 Peacock         nekogloop's into the pussy ... cats :P
17:41 Peacock         http://youtu.be/unmkX15AeN8
17:42 * NekoGloop     bites Peacock's arm
17:42 Peacock         i taste like butter but i'm not
17:42 * reactor       puts NekoGloop in a box
17:43 reactor         Let's do some experiments on quantum mechanics?
17:43 Peacock         Schrodinger's  NekoGloop
17:43 reactor         Speaking of which, now we have a new cat graveyard.
17:44 Peacock         away nicks signal the coming of the antichrist
17:44 NekoGloop|afk   I'm only in one channel
17:44 NekoGloop|afk   But am I here?
17:45 * sfan5         pets NekoGloop|afk
17:45 john_mt|afk     Mew-har ha har hee haow he HA ha haaaarrrr....
17:45 thexyz          http://coub.com/view/rwn5txo
17:45 reactor|dumping How do you like that one?
17:45 Peacock         http://youtu.be/k0J2UmHzjYg
17:48 * NekoGloop|afk purrs
17:49 reactor         Status nicks = must.die
17:50 thexyz          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzk3oViSCI
17:51 thexyz          how do you like the tutorial?
17:51 zash            Peacock: slap them with http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
17:53 thexyz          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLVh7cQ9wxU
17:53 thexyz          getting so upset just because somebody changed their nickname?
17:53 thexyz          I'll never be able to understand that
17:54 zash            thexyz: the day you look at the channel and see nothing but joins, parts, nick changes and one line of actual talk
17:54 * Sokomine      puts some milk in front of nekogloop
17:54 thexyz          zash: that day you just learn how to disable joins, parts and nick changes in your irc client
17:54 * john_minetest is away: Becoming the first german Modelleisenbahngleisteilwärterchefmützentransportsdampfschiffkapitänswappenmalerpinselborstenschweinenackenmasseurschuhschnürsenkelschnellbinderüberprüfungslupenschleifsteinhersteller.
17:54 Peacock         spacebars = banned in germany :P
17:55 * john_minetest is back: decided that somebody else should become the first german Modelleisenbahngleisteilwärterchefmützentransportsdampfschiffkapitänswappenmalerpinselborstenschweinenackenmasseurschuhschnürsenkelschnellbinderüberprüfungslupenschleifsteinhersteller.
17:55 Peacock         http://charuzu.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/long_german_words.jpg
17:55 Calinou         thexyz, that feeling when you talk to someone who left
17:55 Calinou         happens to me often :(
17:55 thexyz          that's sad
17:55 thexyz          john_minetest: can you translate that?
17:56 Peacock         translate? try pronouncing it in one breath LOL
18:00 reactor         john_minetest: that's the last job I would like to apply for.
18:00 reactor         Imagine all those things having to be done at once!
18:02 Peacock         which programmer did you become?
18:02 reactor         Oh.
18:05 specing         john_minetest: W.T.F. is that
18:06 Peacock         huh, compiz is gone from the repos, what a shame
18:06 Calinou         the era of wobbly windows is over
18:06 * NekoGloop|afk pushes Calinou
18:07 Sokomine        wobbly windows?
18:07 Peacock         i dont understand how things like compiz die yet people come up with shittier tablet interfaces that can't be easily reconfigured lol
18:07 Calinou         compiz was pretty heavy, and bad for gaming
18:07 Calinou         Sokomine, compiz had an option to make windows wobbly when moved :)
18:08 Sokomine        irks :-) did people actually use that? i mean...more than once?
18:08 Peacock         wobbly windows was one of many plugins lol the others were more useful
18:08 Peacock         i'd have inactive windows scaled down
18:08 Peacock         and compiz was only heavy if you ran it on your local library's computer :P
18:09 Sokomine        i prefer window managers/launchers that just do their job - without fancy effects. those effects are nice to watch once; i wouldn't want to work with them
18:10 Peacock         well lots of people *only* went for the fancy effects, but on a LED screen, id rather like to have back the inactive window dimming lol
18:10 Peacock         so many websites with white backgrounds giving me headaches lol
18:11 reactor         Peacock: exactly.
18:11 reactor         White background must die.
18:11 Peacock         shit breaking on arch? colour me surprised lol
18:11 reactor         You can deal with them using a custom stylesheet locally, with varying success.
18:11 Peacock         oh god people only use white backgrounds because they equate screens with paper/billboards, but it's god awful for the eyes
18:11 MinetestBot     PilzAdam is back!
18:12 reactor         Who needs all those desktop effects, really?
18:12 reactor         They're only taking time.
18:12 Peacock         ive noticed a sudden influx of arch refugees on the crunchbang forums too
18:12 reactor         The faster the window is spawned, the sooner you can start using it for work.
18:12 reactor         john_minetest: not necessarily.
18:13 reactor         Any colour will do, if it's not overly bright.
18:13 Peacock         i didn't think anyone still cared about time/resources, so much poorly conceived software say "memory is cheap" lol
18:16 PilzAdam        john_minetest, xchat makes your nick green.... coincidend?
18:17 NekoGloop|afk   my name is red, yours is blue
18:17 NekoGloop|afk   everyone is blue
18:17 NekoGloop|afk   I'm in a box
18:17 NekoGloop|afk   I don't exist.
18:18 kaeza           Cogito ergo sum
18:19 YuGiOhJCJ       hello is it normal that when I go to the "Credits" section in the game menu I have some errors in the console?
18:19 YuGiOhJCJ       http://pastebin.com/j8NPm2Xk
18:19 * Sokomine      looks into the box
18:19 PilzAdam        YuGiOhJCJ, no, thats not normal
18:19 YuGiOhJCJ       on minetest 0.4.8 Linux (built from source code)
18:19 PilzAdam        its the result of sapier messing the texture load paths up
18:20 Peacock         its the security hardon preventing you from doxing contributors :P
18:21 YuGiOhJCJ       do you think it's my fault ?
18:21 PilzAdam        YuGiOhJCJ, no
18:21 kaeza           remember kids: when in doubt, blame sapier
18:21 reactor         Peacock: your password?
18:22 Peacock         im not allowed to post pornographic messages here XD
18:22 Peacock         kaeza well he does seem to be doing most of the work and decision taking :P
18:23 YuGiOhJCJ       ahah strange sapier is the man to blame but it's also one of the person where the e-mail address is missing in the "credits" section :)
18:23 kaeza           conspiracy >.>
18:23 Peacock         when i have time to piss away and need a good laugh i make popcorn and read the dev logs lol the sapier/proller/xyz "disagreements" are quite entertaining
18:24 thexyz          fuck you
18:24 Peacock         so, is it enet or tcp?
18:24 thexyz          YuGiOhJCJ: that's a known error
18:25 reactor         I mean, eh.
18:25 PilzAdam        thexyz, can you please stop insulting others?
18:25 reactor         YuGiOhJCJ looks like someone's password.
18:25 thexyz          PilzAdam: alright
18:25 Peacock         im not blaming proller or xyz :P sapier seems determined to do the opposite of whatever proller does, and blame him for being uncooperative afterwards, from what i read :P
18:25 YuGiOhJCJ       you are speaking of my nickname ?
18:26 YuGiOhJCJ       my passwords are longer and contain numbers :)
18:27 ShadowNinja     sapier tries to do things the right way, proller tries to do things the quick and easy way.
18:27 YuGiOhJCJ       nice so it is a known error... Is it reported ? I mean... Do you have the bug number ?
18:28 Peacock         right and wrong ways are pretty subjective, in technical circles the distinction between what works and doesn't work is more important :P
18:32 YuGiOhJCJ       there are no "~/.minetest/textures" directory so it's normal it complains
18:32 YuGiOhJCJ       the good path is "/usr/share/minetest/textures"
18:32 thexyz          ShadowNinja: the right way being adding hacks to current udp implementation
18:32 thexyz          and then adding TCP on the top to finish this wonderful cake
18:33 YuGiOhJCJ       and "/usr/share/minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png" is available
18:33 Peacock         so i guess a decision hasn't been taken on protocols yet
18:33 thexyz          YuGiOhJCJ: yeah well as I said that's a known bug
18:33 thexyz          Peacock: the decision (MT) is to go with UDP + TCP
18:33 Peacock         hm, well hopefully it gets done fast, ive been hearing about TCP since i first got here
18:34 ShadowNinja     thexyz: You added enet, not proller.
18:35 thexyz          ShadowNinja: I think you have no idea
18:35 thexyz          ShadowNinja: I did add enet but proller's done many changes too
18:35 YuGiOhJCJ       I see that my server is only 0.4.4 whereas my client is 0.4.8 do you think there are some incompatibility problems ?
18:35 thexyz          both those that only affect current UDP implementation and those that affect network stuff in general
18:36 Calinou         it's useful
18:36 ShadowNinja     I prefer enet, but I like compat too.
18:36 Peacock         so people can't lie by pretending they never said something, logs = handy
18:36 ShadowNinja     True...
18:37 ShadowNinja     Peacock: Everyone has personal logs.
18:37 kaeza           [off] Peacock, what did you say?
18:37 Calinou         sometimes useful stuff is logged
18:37 Peacock         well #minetest used to have alot more mod dev talk, back when we had more than a handful of devs
18:38 Peacock         alot of the former modders now work on the engine, and there haven't been many new to replace them
18:39 thexyz          ShadowNinja: you should make your bot to post link to alot pic when somebody says "alot"
18:39 ShadowNinja     thexyz: What link?
18:40 OWNSyouAll      ShadowNinja, http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
18:40 ShadowNinja     And it will only work for me while MTBot is around.
18:40 * kaeza         wonders what an alot of the former modders would be like
18:40 thexyz          yeah or right to the pic
18:41 thexyz          kaeza: "former modders" could imply that now they're dead, so.. some body parts mixed that form alot?
18:41 thexyz          http://i.imgur.com/ZQibCv3.jpg
18:43 Peacock         well by former i mean they work more on the engine than the content :P if i thought they were dead i would have said late or deceased
18:43 thexyz          ah okay
18:44 Peacock         though the oldest people here are probably... RBA, OC and V
18:45 ShadowNinja     ~mp add #minetest "(?:^| )alot\\b" "echo http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html"
18:45 ShadowBot       ShadowNinja: O.K.
18:45 ShadowNinja     I like alot
18:45 ShadowBot       http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
18:45 ShadowNinja     :-)
18:46 kaeza           hah
18:46 PilzAdam        alot
18:46 PilzAdam        the bot ignores me :-(
18:46 Peacock         have you been molesting the bot?
18:47 ShadowNinja     PilzAdam: Yep. :-| Yell at ProgVal to fix channel command disabling or at sfan5 to remove MinetestBot.
18:47 thexyz          ShadowNinja: no way
18:47 thexyz          ShadowNinja: plz fix
18:48 Peacock         why do we have 2 bots anyhow? does one do something different?
18:48 PilzAdam        Peacock, we have ShadowBot because shes useful, and MinetestBot because sfan5 says so
18:49 Peacock         lol okay in other words they never came to an agreement :P
18:49 ShadowNinja     ShadowBot handles kicks and bans, MinetestBot has some commands, although ShadowBot has most of them too.
18:49 sfan5           PilzAdam: oh right.. I forgot that MinetestBot was not useful at all
18:49 kaeza           !rainbow but MinetestBot has colurz
18:49 MinetestBot     7b7u9t9 11M10i14n7e12t6e2s10t7B5o7t3 6h12a7s11 10c7o8l4u14r5z
18:49 Peacock         !rainbow very gay
18:49 MinetestBot     9v10e5r12y11 3g3a11y
18:49 MinetestBot     15d2a5s12h
18:50 Peacock         ugh who put brown in there?
18:50 thexyz          !rainbow > not respecting lgbt
18:50 MinetestBot     14>11 6n8o4t12 15r11e14s12p10e3c6t15i3n4g9 12l6g13b9t
18:50 ShadowNinja     I could add that, if you really want it...
18:50 PilzAdam        sfan5, how hard would it be to merge the 2 bots?
18:50 sfan5           Peacock: the irc commitee
18:51 Peacock         lgbt = lettuce, guacamole, bacon and tomato sandwich?
18:51 sfan5           PilzAdam: merging ShadowBot into MinetestBot would probably hard than MT into SB
18:51 sfan5           s/MT/MBot/
18:51 Peacock         i think now it's LGBTQI btw :P
18:51 ShadowNinja     SB implements most of MTB's features.
18:53 ShadowNinja     Having !title default to !title <url last> might need to be added, but that could be a
18:53 ShadowNinja     dded with a simple alias, no code needed.
18:53 Peacock         or maybe !title <user> in case many videos are posted at once
18:54 ShadowNinja     ~help url last
18:54 ShadowBot       ShadowNinja: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL. If --nolimit is given, returns all the (1 more message)
18:54 ShadowNinja     :-)
18:55 thexyz          WHERE'S THAT ONE MORE MESSAGE??
18:55 sfan5           it went to /dev/null
18:55 markveidemanis  Looking smug, ShadowNinja
18:55 Peacock         seriously, my first instinct was to click on it lol
18:55 ShadowNinja     ~more
18:55 ShadowBot       ShadowNinja: URLs that are found to just the URL. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
18:55 Peacock         ~moar
18:55 markveidemanis  ~help
18:55 markveidemanis  ...
18:55 thexyz          ~halp
18:55 thexyz          ~plz
18:55 sfan5           ~kitten
18:56 Peacock         ~evil
18:56 kaeza           ~wowsuchhalp
18:56 sfan5           ~much wow
18:56 sfan5           ~very help
18:56 markveidemanis  !unignore myass
18:56 ShadowNinja     ...
18:56 YuGiOhJCJ       the new way things far disappeared and re-appeared at the screen in 0.4.8 is irritating. In 0.4.7 it was better, isn't it ?
18:57 sfan5           markveidemanis: ShadowBot only reacts to ShadowNinja in #minetest
18:57 Peacock         wouldn't want to name a sql table myass ... "insert into myass values [...]" lol
18:58 kahrl           SELECT * FROM uranus
18:58 sfan5           INSERT into uranus VALUES [...]
18:59 Peacock         INSERT INTO Mother VALUES...
18:59 ShadowNinja     ~kitten
18:59 ShadowBot       ShadowNinja: Error: I'm lobotomized in #minetest.
18:59 ShadowNinja     :-(
18:59 YuGiOhJCJ       I can enable full viewing range (with "R") but it is slower so I prefer to disable this feature but in 0.4.8 there are too many things that disappeared and re-appeared at the screen... Is it not the same for you ?
18:59 zash            Not the kittes!
19:00 * sfan5         hands ShadowNinja a kitten
19:00 ShadowNinja     Well, it works in another channel...
19:00 zash            http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/files/images/dangerous-to-go-alone.jpg :)
19:00 Peacock         <YuGiOhJCJ> thats been going on since before 0.4.8
19:01 Peacock         do things flicker when you turn?
19:03 YuGiOhJCJ       I was on 0.4.7 since many months and I think it was better when we are in disabled full viewing range
19:03 Issa2013        hello
19:03 Peacock         there was also that sky dark/bright flicker thing in free move
19:04 YuGiOhJCJ       on 0.4.8 there is something different
19:05 Peacock         well judging from the devlogs im holding out for 049 lol
19:06 YuGiOhJCJ       I just move the mouse a little and a lot of things disappeared or re-appeared... that's strange...
19:06 Peacock         yeah thats not new
19:06 Peacock         but i was told it was in my head so i didn't press it further :P
19:06 YuGiOhJCJ       but for me I prefer in the 0.4.7 for this
19:06 Issa2013        how install mod on minetest please
19:06 Peacock         i dont remember if that was a thing with the 046 version
19:06 Issa2013        https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus
19:07 Issa2013        i want install this --> https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus
19:07 kaeza           http://xkcd.com/1172/
19:07 YuGiOhJCJ       I don't know how to explain exactly but I see a difference
19:07 kaeza           ^ related
19:07 rubenwardy      alot
19:07 Issa2013        !wikibot install mod linux
19:07 Peacock         lol spacebar heating
19:08 Peacock         though i hardly think chunks flickering and sky flickering were intended :P
19:09 kaeza           Issa2013, http://wiki.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
19:09 Peacock         doesn't the ingame thingy work?
19:10 Issa2013        Keaa i do it, but in minetest i don't show it
19:10 Issa2013        -->
19:10 Issa2013        http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52bf221e3ffad5.46200413.jpg
19:10 Peacock         hidden folders?
19:11 kaeza           >.mods
19:11 Peacock         ugh im french and even i can't stand an OS in french lol
19:11 specing         "mods"
19:11 Peacock         is /.minetest legit too?
19:11 kaeza           yes
19:12 Issa2013        ok
19:12 kaeza           well, not /.minetest :P
19:12 Issa2013        but when i lunch he is crachesd --> /home/issa/.minetest/mods
19:12 Peacock         try /home/issa/minetest/mods
19:13 specing         ~/.minetest/mods is correct
19:13 kaeza           Issa2013, pastebin the error you get
19:13 kaeza           see this topic: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
19:13 Issa2013        http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52bf22dcce6667.85389099.jpg
19:14 Peacock         is the mod /game named PLus?
19:14 kaeza           oh wait
19:14 kaeza           it's a game, not a mod
19:14 kaeza           it goes in ~/.minetest/games/
19:16 Issa2013        kaeza, yes is better --> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52bf2391423777.58976796.jpg
19:16 Issa2013        :)
19:17 Peacock         lol minetest plus
19:17 Peacock         up next, MoreMinetest
19:17 Peacock         Minetest++
19:17 kaeza           MoreUnifiedExtendedMinetest
19:17 Peacock         even better lol
19:17 kaeza           +Plus
19:18 Peacock         well i think V's game probably counts as UnifiedMinetest, she's got all the mods lol
19:18 Peacock         i dont know why we're so bad with coming up with names for stuff in opensource lol
19:19 Issa2013        ok now i m tryning to luinch it on my ubuntu server
19:20 Peacock         considering how many german users we have we should probably rename minetest to meinkraft :P
19:20 specing         meintest
19:21 Peacock         BergwerkHandwerk ?
19:22 Peacock         (literal translation of mine + craft) lol
19:34 rubenwardy      The product of 2 hours of ducking about with the Android SDK: (screenshot) http://ubuntuone.com/2HPUfD9KOB5faaGsNCg1fq
19:35 Peacock         if it took two hours to do that im not surprised then that so many apps are shit or just frames for websites lol
19:35 specing         could do that in under 5 mins with QML + C++
19:36 rubenwardy      It took under a minute to make the actual code, the rest of the time was trying to get it to run in the emulator
19:37 Peacock         lol i had similar fun setting up android x86 in virtualbox
19:37 specing         doubt it
19:37 specing         you can't do a GUI helloworld in java in under 5 minutes
19:37 specing         err 1 minute
19:37 rubenwardy      It is just drag and drop, and then making a base class.
19:37 rubenwardy      the base class only has one function in it, which is to load the ui
19:37 Peacock         but.... java lol
19:38 rubenwardy      but.... lua lol
19:38 specing         lua >>>>> java
19:38 kaeza           lol C++
19:38 Peacock         lua is simple enough for its purposes
19:38 kaeza           sory, had to say it :/
19:38 kaeza           +r
19:38 * specing       whips kaeza
19:38 Peacock         no one expects  you to write full apps in lua though some do try
19:38 rubenwardy      I don't like Java, but Android uses it]
19:39 specing         Peacock: checkout the LOVE framework
19:39 Peacock         of course, dont they put each app in a virtualbox type sandbox?
19:39 specing         Qemu.
19:39 specing         virtualbox sucks
19:39 kaeza           inb4 "because muh freedums"
19:40 Peacock         lol
19:40 specing         Can virtualbox do ARM?
19:40 specing         how about Sparc?
19:40 specing         Or Power?
19:40 specing         ofcourse not.
19:40 Peacock         even hitler had a "Free Corps" :p
19:41 specing         Qemu beats it in performance, too
19:42 kaeza           alright, I stand corrected
19:43 kaeza           still was just poking fun at the general statement "it's betterer because it's freer" not "because it has more features, etc"
19:43 reactor         ...github is more convenient than I thought,actually.
19:43 reactor         s/,/, /
19:44 Peacock         kaeza dont worry, even RMS admits his whole life is one giant fail :P
19:45 Peacock         a bit long, but he says it lol http://youtu.be/WM8mKMtEg7M
20:23 Megaf           hi all
20:24 Megaf           Hi PilzAdam
20:26 Megaf           Hi Calinou proller troller
20:26 troller         moo\
20:27 Megaf           Heh, I'm really lagged here
20:29 * Calinou       quality controls Megaf
20:29 Calinou         certified, no lag!
20:30 specing         proller: troller theres two of you for the price of one?
20:30 proller         meow
20:33 thexyz          !tell rubenwardy nice now uninstall eclipse and use a proper ide like intellij idea
20:33 MinetestBot     thexyz: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
20:34 Calinou         ...
20:35 thexyz          that was so constructive
20:38 specing         proller: fixed teeh gate yet?
20:38 proller         no
20:38 proller         10-20 min..
20:39 specing         btw I found 4 MESE BLOCKS on a floatisland at >29000 height
20:39 specing         took 8 hearts to get there. was worth it
20:40 Calinou         "Sky" is unplayable, because you don't start with any resources, but also because the world is full of bones...
20:40 Calinou         also because tool speeds are too slow... but that's the case on any server
20:42 troller         no problem to find tree and make pick
20:47 Peacock         if your tool speed is too slow, you might wanna get a gf :P
20:50 specing         Calinou: I found your bones on the same floatisland I found 4 mese blocks on :P
20:51 specing         Calinou: anyway, if you go back into the sky stargate you reach my gardens near 0,0,0
20:51 specing         but it currently doesen't work because I blew the other end up with mese TNT :D :D :D
20:52 troller         2.50484e+06   liquids per 12 seconds
20:53 specing         troller: you should enable the money mod so I can sell pickaxes at spawn and get rich :D
20:54 specing         (and saplings)
20:54 specing         troller: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2263
20:55 Calinou         I never find a tree
20:55 EvergreenTree   I'm a tree
20:56 EvergreenTree   So if I am on that server, you found a tree
20:56 EvergreenTree   :D
20:56 troller         Calinou, because its HARD
20:56 troller         with FM client you can jump from spawn and reach sea
20:57 EvergreenTree   I actually went on there once, and I gave up
20:57 specing         Calinou: there are like 20 trees at spawn
20:57 specing         LOL
20:58 specing         troller: can't you do that with the normal client and fastmode activated?
20:58 specing         Im pretty sure it can be done
20:58 troller         can, but fastmode is cheat
20:59 troller         fm have coool aircontrol when you falling fast
20:59 specing         can you open a parachute?
20:59 troller         no, it in TODO for mod
21:00 specing         lol
21:01 specing         troller: I need a rope for reaching the lower floatislands
21:02 troller         yes, now its problem, you cant build down
21:02 thexyz          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=123370#p123370 AHAHAHAHAHAHA
21:02 thexyz          what the actual fuck
21:02 specing         I can reach higher ones just fine by building a stone pillar with stones in an alternating pattern
21:02 specing         Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated.
21:02 thexyz          log in
21:02 specing         I dont have an account
21:03 thexyz          create one
21:04 troller         you can find water spring, and flow down without damage
21:05 troller         but on float islands spring fastly freezes
21:05 troller         need torch to warm it
21:05 troller         gate repaired
21:06 specing         troller: springs?
21:06 specing         wtf
21:06 specing         on a real_liquid server?
21:06 troller         yes 8)
21:06 troller         and on float islands!
21:07 Peacock         no ice cream float islands?
21:07 troller         here is small cheat: if height> 0 and water above unloaded block  - it disapears with 1/3 chance
21:08 specing         "unloaded block"?
21:08 troller         -> high springs is safe and cant bake big stuck water
21:09 paramat         ive progressed and now think core floatlands are fairly poor mapgen :) ... i might come up with something better
21:10 troller         16x16x16 area usually transparent and you cant walt to it
21:10 troller         paramat, where pull? ;)
21:10 paramat         ... it could be my first C++ project ... patience :)
21:11 paramat         caves in indev mapgen are bad too ...
21:12 troller         paramat,  http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/post-your-screenshots.9/#post-426     http://minetest.setun.net/map.math/map-math.png
21:12 troller         caves from v6, yes, very bad
21:12 paramat         yeah i saw those yesterday, nice
21:12 paramat         hypercomplex
21:13 paramat         i made some hypercomplex fractal music ... 4 and 8 dimensional mandelbrot
21:13 troller         now possible to port most http://www.mandelbulber.com/gallery_page1.php  worlds
21:14 paramat         my music https://soundcloud.com/menokefug
21:14 troller         woow http://krzysztofmarczak.deviantart.com/art/Spatial-Interchange-1-202369651 need formula 8)
21:16 paramat         nice, but it needs to be big, the mandelbox mapgen is too small
21:16 paramat         does math mapgen generate fractals on the go, or load in pre-generated?
21:16 troller         "scale":0.00001
21:16 troller         on the go
21:17 paramat         :)
21:17 troller         you can change any params and make fractal of any size
21:17 troller         no problem to make 60000x60000x60000
21:17 paramat         do your math mapgen flags work in MT0.4.8?
21:18 troller         not all
21:18 paramat         okay it's more a FM thing :)
21:18 Enke            What's more of an FM thing?
21:18 paramat         heh ... o/
21:19 thexyz          please use chat logs
21:19 specing         Speaking of Enke ...
21:19 Enke            'ello
21:20 Enke            Ah, math mapgen.
21:26 Exio4           john_minetest: i don't have my pc watercooled and i can live
21:27 Calinou         ?
21:27 * Calinou       updated his one line script
21:27 Calinou         (shorter, the message printed at the end is now colored and bolded)
21:36 Megaf           john_minetest, yep, it will overhead pretty quick
21:39 Peacock         DIY watercooling: dunk your PC in the tub
21:40 Exio4           actually, the watercooling was until "recently" a DIY thing
21:41 Megaf           still, it needs air to cool the water
21:41 Peacock         hm,
21:41 Peacock         then dunk the pc in the tub and add fish
21:42 Peacock         they can extract air from water! :P
21:43 Exio4           lol
21:43 Exio4           Megaf: you could use a peltir
21:43 Exio4           peltier*
21:44 Megaf           still needs air
21:44 Peacock         suddenly, http://youtu.be/jv6MgODqMZc
21:44 Exio4           !title
21:44 MinetestBot     Exio4: The Red Green Show - Cadilac Backhoe - YouTube
21:44 Megaf           It may be cool in one side, but will be hot as hell on the other side
21:44 Megaf           I have one
21:44 Exio4           do you have a working phase change cooling?\
21:44 Exio4           for a computer? :D?
21:45 thexyz          Calinou: I think we should do something so the user only have to `curl play.minetest.net | bash`
21:45 Exio4           curl ... | bash
21:45 Megaf           Exio4, heatpipes?
21:45 Exio4           looks insanely insecure
21:45 Calinou         thexyz, lol, that's a bad thing to do security-wise :P
21:45 thexyz          okay, https://play.minetest.net
21:45 Exio4           lol
21:45 thexyz          Calinou: how's your script different?
21:45 Megaf           thexyz, still
21:46 thexyz          Calinou: let's make an experiment, you add a rm -rf /* somewhere, then we measure level of butthurt in the thread
21:46 Peacock         much butthurt, very crash, wow
21:46 thexyz          such meme
21:46 Megaf           !title
21:46 MinetestBot     Megaf: Can't connect to https://play.minetest.net
21:47 Megaf           too bad for you
21:47 Calinou         my script doesn't have "rm" anywhere
21:47 Calinou         if you're cautious, you could search for instances of "rm" :p
21:47 thexyz          yeah sure
21:47 kaeza           alias cp='r''m'
21:47 thexyz          export EDITOR=rm
21:47 Megaf           lol
21:48 Megaf           !title
21:48 MinetestBot     Megaf: Can't connect to https://play.minetest.net
21:48 Megaf           MinetestBot, That's enough for me, goodbye
21:48 thexyz          muh kernal
21:49 specing         troller: wtf /data/specing/install/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.0/../../../../x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLESv2
21:50 specing         troller: freeminer needs OpenGL ES?
21:50 specing         0.o
21:50 thexyz          no it doesn't
21:50 troller         no, it can use it
21:50 paramat         http://i.imgur.com/ysOplQX.png i get these ridges at chunk edges when using my terrain-lowering mods, even with caves disabled and with voxelmanip, anyone know why this happens or if it is fixable?
21:50 thexyz          you're doing something wrong
21:51 Peacock         not the ridges of a klingon warrior
21:51 thexyz          anyway troller should just make a cmake option
21:51 specing         I did cmake .. -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1; make -j3
21:51 thexyz          well for some reason it thinks you have gles
21:51 iqualfragile    paramat: i think mgv7 had some bug causing such issues
21:51 iqualfragile    but those things are not at block edges, block are 16 nodes wide
21:52 specing         thexyz: wat do?
21:53 thexyz          for now you can just remove "	find_package(OpenGLES2)" from src/CMakeLists.txt
21:53 iqualfragile    specing: install gles?
22:03 Peacock         i guess minetestbot went back to its alcove for another regeneration cycle
22:03 troller         https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/commit/75e5895afaec95c530d68847a058aac5338e3c81
22:08 kaeza           https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7970174976/hDED66A9E/
22:11 Peacock         i certainly dont mind blowing into cartridges to clear the dust lol
22:11 Peacock         *dont miss
22:11 Peacock         though i don't think it did much
22:11 thexyz          nice typo here
22:12 Peacock         better than saying blowing chinks instead of blowing chunks :P
22:12 Enke            Peacock: I blew into the cartridges a LOT
22:13 Enke            My N64 still works. Which is why.
22:14 Peacock         i played goldeneye on the n64 emulator, wasn't the same thing
22:14 Peacock         *though
22:14 Peacock         wtf lol
22:16 kaeza           I didn't really like Goldeneye; probably because playing with yourself is not fun ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
22:16 Peacock         its hard to play with yourself when your playing goldeneye
22:16 Peacock         kinda need both hands
22:17 Peacock         and while natalya might of had big tits, she wasn't much to look at
22:18 * kaeza         still prefers Perfect Dark or OOT
22:19 kaeza           also SSB
22:19 thexyz          i agree, perfect dark is a nice p2p thingy
22:19 thexyz          works in wine too
22:19 thexyz          not open source though
22:19 Peacock         ugh, wine gaming lol
22:19 Peacock         thats why i reinstalled w7
22:19 kaeza           O_o
22:20 thexyz          gaming? that's not what I was talking about
22:20 Peacock         then wtf is perfect dark?
22:20 thexyz          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_(P2P)
22:20 thexyz          or were you talking about a game?
22:20 Peacock         a game
22:21 Peacock         what am i missing? lol
22:21 thexyz          ah well
22:22 thexyz          who needs gaymes
22:22 Peacock         remind me again what is it people develop here lol
22:22 thexyz          not sure
22:23 thexyz          where's the actual development
22:23 Peacock         lol close enough, game/game engine/argument generator most likely
22:25 Peacock         not sure about that either lol #minetest is mostly offtopic, but #minetest-dev seems to be mostly technical arguments too so ... lol
22:28 Peacock         oh god, the signature virus thing is catching on
22:34 Enke            We always get offtopic somehow in #nethack
22:43 Peacock         in what country was this tried? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7970344192/hB553D1B2/
22:45 iqualfragile    Peacock: 'murica obv.
22:46 Peacock         or england or australia
22:46 Peacock         or canada for that matter :/
22:47 Peacock         http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/man-arrested-putting-extinguisher-hose-backside-article-1.1537120
22:47 Peacock         maybe england lol
22:49 Enke            I know! Belgium!
22:49 RealBadAngel    fun fact: according to my phone, buildcraft has been downloaded 100.000+ since 23.12
22:49 RealBadAngel    3500 has liked it
22:49 Enke            holy crud.
22:49 Peacock         not bad
22:50 Enke            buildcraft is illegal though. We should write something on that. Can you flag apps as illegal?
22:50 Peacock         its been done, and moving very slowly lol
22:50 RealBadAngel    google alredady answered
22:50 RealBadAngel    and asked to clearify them LGPL
22:50 RealBadAngel    morons
22:50 Peacock         at this point though why bother? take down a free app and the apk will reappear on all the other markets, and probably google play too under a different name
22:51 Enke            Could be. We could try information.
22:51 Peacock         yeah well i think they're probably just dicking you guys around asking for deets on the lgpl, like they don't know legal shits
22:52 Enke            We've had several people appear on ShadowServer asking about how to use buildcraft.
22:53 Enke            I'm sick of it
22:53 RealBadAngel    imho we shall just start official one
22:53 Peacock         rba, easier said than done
22:53 RealBadAngel    i just bought tablet to start play with it
22:54 RealBadAngel    and frankly i do love it, Avatar in HD plays great on it
22:55 Enke            Am I the only one who remembers how many people stated that they would port MT to a pocket edition.
22:55 Enke            How many times has that worked out?
22:55 Peacock         not crazy about tablets lol limited storage, detached keyboards, craning your neck or holding it up at an angle... id rather get a new laptop lol
22:55 Peacock         enke exactly, as long as i've been here all i've heard is how difficult it would be
22:56 RealBadAngel    actually that tablet has better display than my monitor
22:56 Enke            How many topics on that are in the forums anyway. Many have tried, most, if not all, gave up.
22:56 Peacock         now people are just butthurt that this guy did it on his own and won't turn over the project to be mismanaged :P
22:56 Peacock         not netbooks, and the screen size is 10", and my storage is 250gb
22:57 Peacock         not here
22:57 Peacock         200$
22:57 Peacock         cheapest tablet costs the same but don't have nearly as much storage, and you're still missing a keyboard
22:58 Peacock         well when a netbook and the cheapest tablet costs the same in canada, people will go for bigger storage and attached keyboard (with a screen that holds itself at a decent angle) :P
22:59 RealBadAngel    i am connecting now to VanessaE's survival
22:59 Enke            I'm just upset about the fact that he didn't give others the GNU license.
22:59 RealBadAngel    fuck him
22:59 Enke            me?
22:59 RealBadAngel    we will make it again but better
23:00 RealBadAngel    the guy who stole mt
23:00 Enke            oh. Thought you were mad at me for some reason.
23:00 Peacock         you cant steal MT, or anything that's already free
23:00 Peacock         the same way you cant steal music or movies from digital copies
23:00 Enke            He should have used the GNU license. He didn't. That's illegal.
23:00 Peacock         unless of course, you buy all your music/movies legit
23:00 Peacock         in which case you can moralize :P
23:01 Peacock         illegal in the sense of a contract violation, thats civil though, not criminal
23:01 RealBadAngel    really?
23:01 RealBadAngel    he is using also my name
23:02 RealBadAngel    in authors tab
23:02 RealBadAngel    i could sue him for that
23:02 Peacock         allright, so who here is gonna hire a lawyer in China to take him to bat?
23:02 Exio4           you couldn't do that
23:02 Peacock         or are you willing to turnover all your copyright to the FSF so they can sue?
23:02 Exio4           the lgpl gives you enough rights
23:03 RealBadAngel    he violated license terms
23:03 Enke            He did.
23:03 Peacock         the guy might not even be doing anything wrong by chinese standards, same way decompilers are legal in Russia: http://www.zdnet.com/can-gpl-be-enforced-in-china-2062004229/
23:03 thexyz          the official port is already here and it works fine
23:03 RealBadAngel    thexyz, how can i try it?
23:04 Peacock         so why are people still butthurt over buildcraft then? we got our official thingy
23:04 thexyz          no way because last time I tried to explain how to use it the person raged at me
23:04 RealBadAngel    btw, buildcraft added some antivrus shit to my tablet
23:04 RealBadAngel    lol
23:04 thexyz          Peacock: it's not finished
23:04 Peacock         lol who raged?
23:04 thexyz          VE did
23:04 Peacock         really? damn
23:04 RealBadAngel    oh cmon
23:04 thexyz          or maybe it was the other way around
23:04 thexyz          I raged at her too
23:04 Peacock         oh it was mutual :P
23:04 thexyz          RealBadAngel: well do you want to follow the easy way or the hard way?
23:05 RealBadAngel    working one
23:05 Exio4           download the apk or compile by yourself*
23:05 RealBadAngel    i do have plenty of time
23:05 Exio4           translated to english
23:05 thexyz          okay, a moment
23:05 thexyz          apparently quassel sucks
23:05 Exio4           old news
23:06 specing         thexyz: works
23:07 Enke            Goddammit Google!
23:07 jojoa1997       I am trying to build minetest in windows. I have cmake and mingw. I have already configured it but what is the command to build minetest
23:07 thexyz          RealBadAngel: http://a.pomf.se/oarhe.apk and then clone https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch android to /sdcard/freeminer
23:07 thexyz          not sure how outdated this apk is
23:07 thexyz          it's quite easy to build it too
23:07 phantombeta     Hi
23:07 thexyz          https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer/blob/android/build/android/build.sh
23:08 Enke            won't let me write a review unless I install it!
23:09 thexyz          do you know what "review" means?
23:09 jojoa1997       cmake, make, g++, and mingw32-make are all the ones i have found online and dont work
23:09 RealBadAngel    lol
23:09 thexyz          anyway, I've replied to Google with that DMCA note so I hope apps get pulled quick
23:09 Enke            Ooh, that's good.
23:09 RealBadAngel    items in inventory are upside down
23:10 RealBadAngel    nodes, not tools
23:10 thexyz          but we won't win anything because the official port is not ready yet
23:10 Peacock         i wonder if they'll reply back asking for more details
23:10 thexyz          RealBadAngel: I know, also images could be wrong
23:10 thexyz          but does it work?
23:11 RealBadAngel    havent started yet, im talkin bout buildcraft
23:11 RealBadAngel    checkin how it works
23:11 thexyz          ah well uninstall that illegal shit right now
23:12 RealBadAngel    i wonder how to uninstall those ads
23:12 Enke            Meh, back to nethack
23:12 thexyz          well you shouldn't have installed this illegal shit in the first place
23:12 thexyz          anyway plz test my apk and report here
23:12 RealBadAngel    it was stronger than me
23:12 RealBadAngel    i had to :)
23:13 thexyz          I'm sure the controls are better already
23:13 thexyz          at least on a small screen
23:13 thexyz          but there's a problem with lighting, it just doesn't work
23:15 RealBadAngel    thexyz, downloading that apk
23:18 RealBadAngel    it looks like it just saved it somewhere
23:18 RealBadAngel    what should i do now?
23:18 thexyz          you should install it
23:19 thexyz          did you use your tablet to download it?
23:19 Peacock         lol buildcraft review:  "A rip off of minecraft and laks some items "
23:19 thexyz          then find it in downloads and click on it
23:19 thexyz          buildcraft reviews are worse than cancer
23:20 Peacock         different one: " The servers are kinda bad"
23:21 RealBadAngel    ok, i run that oarhe.apk
23:21 RealBadAngel    it said its installed now
23:22 RealBadAngel    when i try to start it screen goes black
23:22 RealBadAngel    then it closes
23:22 Peacock         seems legit
23:23 Peacock         hopefully you didn't U/I buildcraft yet :P
23:23 RealBadAngel    looks like buildcraft have ads build in, btw
23:24 Peacock         alot of google apps do, theres an adblocker in google play
23:24 ShadowBot       http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
23:25 RealBadAngel    btw, lookin for answers, as newbie
23:25 RealBadAngel    i found that one have installed ubuntu on galaxy tab
23:25 RealBadAngel    and thats neat
23:26 kaeza           [20:24:36] <shadowhunter@Sn-S> how do u open and close stuff on samsung
23:26 Peacock         though im not surprised the guy packed in adware with buildcraft, if he read the reactions to his premium version on the forums lol
23:26 Peacock         why install ubuntu on a tablet?
23:26 Peacock         thats like installing android on a netbook
23:26 Peacock         the two users might as well switch tech lol
23:26 RealBadAngel    beacause its possible to do so? :0
23:27 Peacock         yeah we have all sorts of emulators for the browser but try finding a use for those too lol
23:27 RealBadAngel    ok ok
23:28 RealBadAngel    thexyz, what i shall do next after that "apk" part
23:28 Peacock         mind you android x86 isn't quite ready for primetime
23:28 Peacock         that could change though: http://beta.slashdot.org/story/196133
23:34 RealBadAngel    thexyz, u here?
23:42 RealBadAngel    it crashed
23:42 RealBadAngel    no future with broken builtin async enviroment scripts
23:42 Peacock         no future... sounds rather bleak :P
23:43 RealBadAngel    thats error message, not my comment
23:44 Peacock         oh lol
23:44 Peacock         poetic :-)
23:44 RealBadAngel    wonder what poetic soul did that
23:45 Peacock         prolly xyz, if proller had written it, it would be "much crash, very fucked, wow" :P
23:45 RealBadAngel    it looks like kinda joke
23:46 RealBadAngel    at least next commits by proller would be "fixed #1" "ooops, fixed now"
23:47 Peacock         i kinda wonder if the doge meme didn't originate from him lol
23:48 RealBadAngel    i saw lately code for another voxel game
23:48 RealBadAngel    in very early stage comparing to us
23:48 Peacock         which one?
23:48 RealBadAngel    dont remember now, its mentioned in forums
23:49 RealBadAngel    gnomescroll or something like that
23:49 thexyz          RealBadAngel: you didn't read very well
23:49 thexyz          and then clone https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch android to /sdcard/freeminer
23:49 RealBadAngel    thexyz, i dont have /sdcard folder
23:49 thexyz          also that's probably sapier
23:49 thexyz          RealBadAngel: I'm sure you do
23:49 RealBadAngel    no
23:50 RealBadAngel    i do have /card folder
23:50 RealBadAngel    sorry
23:50 thexyz          ;(
23:50 RealBadAngel    /storage/extSdCard
23:50 thexyz          /sdcard/freeminer is hardcoded
23:51 RealBadAngel    thats the folder i do have
23:51 thexyz          you can change it and recompile
23:51 RealBadAngel    holy shit
23:51 thexyz          well that's why I said it's not ready yet
23:51 RealBadAngel    how can i recompile it on my phone?
23:52 RealBadAngel    damn. i do have 3 days off and a brand new tablet
23:52 RealBadAngel    i will make it run. :|
23:54 thexyz          you recompile it on your pc, not phone
23:54 thexyz          that's really simple
23:54 thexyz          1) install android sdk
23:54 Peacock         2) cry
23:55 thexyz          3) install this http://www.crystax.net/android/ndk.php
23:55 thexyz          (just download and unpack somewhere)
23:55 PilzAdam        4) cry
23:55 Peacock         lol
23:55 RealBadAngel    5) lol
23:55 thexyz          6) export ANDROID_NDK=/home/xyz/android-ndk-r8-crystax-1/
23:55 RealBadAngel    btw https://github.com/Gnomescroll/Gnomescroll/commits/master
23:55 thexyz          then run build/android/build.sh
23:55 thexyz          that's all
23:55 RealBadAngel    take a look at commit names
23:56 Peacock         i dont know what it's like now, but i tried installing the SDK in linux some years ago, deer lord lol
23:56 thexyz          well you just apt-get install android-something
23:57 Peacock         well its probably gotten easier now
23:57 thexyz          or maybe there's no package for debian?
23:57 Peacock         lemme check
23:57 RealBadAngel    hmmm
23:57 thexyz          there're some packages in Archlinux User Repository
23:57 thexyz          and it shouldn't be that hard to install
23:58 RealBadAngel    those funny buttons from buildcraft are single png
23:58 Peacock         nope.avi, can't find android-* in wheezy
23:58 thexyz          it's really easy to compile it
23:58 RealBadAngel    and imho theyre nice
23:59 thexyz          much easier than to compile for winshit
23:59 RealBadAngel    we could use them in "revenge" ;)
23:59 Peacock         yeah that'll work out real well, especially if it turns out he stole those too :P
23:59 RealBadAngel    rotfl