Time Nick Message 00:03 * _Megaf making a Snow Leopard VM 00:11 _Megaf OMG 00:11 _Megaf I just found the hugest cave in minetest history! 00:12 _Megaf c55 would be proud of it 00:14 _Megaf VanessaE, kaeza us`0gb thexyz 00:14 _Megaf you got to enter on Megaf's TEST Server 00:14 _Megaf its really impressive 00:15 _Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30005 00:15 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30005 is up (419ms) 00:16 _Megaf Just find go to my nick when you get there 00:20 _Megaf 70 nodes high 00:20 _Megaf !!! 00:21 _Megaf I had never seen anything like that 00:21 _Megaf MrBeNNy, megaf.no-ip.info 30005 00:21 arsdragonfly _Megaf scrot? 00:21 _Megaf you really need to see this cave 00:25 _Megaf arsdragonfly, uploading 00:29 _Megaf HUGE cave, more than 70 nodes from top to bottom, http://www.zimagez.com/galerie/Minetest-huge-cave-31930-0.php 00:43 us`0gb _Megaf, I'll take a look in a bit. I need to finish helping my sister erase Windows. Her computer is *NOT* cooperating. 00:49 _Megaf That cave is so big that water from the ceiling does not get to the caves floor 00:52 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Full unified_inventory and inventory_plus support! https://gi 2013-12-20T16:50:13-08:00 http://git.io/0xha-w 00:57 VanessaE oooooooooo 00:57 VanessaE UI support! 00:57 VanessaE (piss off about I+ :) ) 01:15 us`0gb Adding Minetest repository .... 01:23 _Megaf us`0gb, you ok there? 01:23 us`0gb _Megaf, Still loading. 01:38 _Megaf Good night, I turned the server off 01:38 SirDigby that cave is epic 01:39 us`0gb I haven't seen one that large, but I also haven't played much since large caves were added. 01:53 zeldak Exio4, ha I know now why minetest is stragne 01:53 zeldak "This is just base developement version" it says 02:16 Peacock enough mf'ing cooking lol i swear people are gonna leave here 10lbs fatter XD 02:43 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7962235648/hBEE1D3DD/ 03:33 harrison http://youtu.be/SPGmuexvw_A 09:44 proller 50 ppl reached per server 09:45 VanessaE and no doubt 90% of them are illegal android client users :( 09:45 VanessaE they're coming out of the woodwork :( 09:45 proller kill them all! 09:46 Issa2013 so why u don't get android free if is 90 % illegal ? 09:46 Issa2013 and add some publicity on it 09:46 VanessaE Issa2013: your statement makes no sense 09:46 Issa2013 make no sense 09:46 Issa2013 so add minetest android for paid is a sense 09:46 Issa2013 yes 09:46 VanessaE please try again with more proper English 09:46 VanessaE oh 09:46 VanessaE sorry, grammar FAIL 09:47 VanessaE the problem is the illegal one is illegal because the people who made it violate the Minetest license 09:47 VanessaE and thexyz is already working on a legal port of Freeminer to Android 09:47 VanessaE I guess he's nearly done with it too 09:47 VanessaE but to list it on Google Play will cost at least $25 anyway 09:49 thexyz we should make a kickstarter 09:49 Issa2013 well we can make a paypal account to help him 09:50 thexyz i feel that something is wrong when people volunteer to "make a paypal account" to raise 25 dollars 09:56 thexyz VanessaE: i don't understand why do you want to ban android port users though 09:56 thexyz it's not their fault that they're using "illegal" port 09:57 VanessaE it is their fault if they continue to use that which I've just told them is illegal. At that point I don't want to have to support them, and if they're on my server, then as the admin I'm kinda expected to do that. 09:58 VanessaE mind you the disconnect message would be incredibly polite, if one could have been possible. 10:00 VanessaE to the tune of "Sorry, but you have been mislead into downloading a program from an illegal or disreputable author (insert name of here). Please instead download the official Minetest client from (insert address of your Android port here)." 10:00 VanessaE misled? 10:00 VanessaE (I can never be sure the tense of that verb) 10:02 VanessaE when you tell the user they have been misled, they instinctively think "shit, I was LIED TO!" and since they don't see "minetest" anywhere except where they SHOULD have gone, seems to me they'll thing "aw shit, I got stupid" 10:02 VanessaE s/Minetet client from/Freeminer client from/ 10:02 VanessaE (sorry, forgot) 10:02 VanessaE whether that leads to a new download of your client or not is immaterial 10:02 VanessaE the point here is to KILL the illegal client 10:05 Calinou but to list it on Google Play will cost at least $25 anyway 10:05 Calinou isn't it $5? 10:05 Calinou but that's Google... so they probably raised it 10:05 VanessaE Calinou: ShadowNinja looked it up a couple weeks ago. 10:05 VanessaE $25 to register 10:06 VanessaE then maybe it's another $5 on top of that to list a project 10:06 Calinou maybe you could just do an .apk for now, and put it on F-Droid maybe 10:06 Calinou then do the google stuff when you have the money 10:09 VanessaE if it can be released as an .apk, what's left to do to make it actually work as a Google Play package? 10:09 VanessaE just the formal listings + pay whatever fees, right? 10:10 Calinou yes 10:10 Calinou if people want to use .apk from the Web or from F-Droid they will have to allow "Unknown sources" 10:10 Calinou at least Android allows downloading apps from the web, unlike iOS :) 10:16 specing you could also contact some cs faculty, they surely have an account for pushing student's stuff 10:16 thexyz VanessaE: please instead download an android port which doesn't exist 10:18 VanessaE thexyz: well obviously the "please download X" would instead be something do the effect of "Please use your home PC with the official Freeminer or Minetest clients to access this server." or some words to that effect. 10:18 VanessaE (hm, repetitive. sorry) 10:19 specing well, if they installed minetest from minetest.net, they could also install the android port from there 10:19 VanessaE I was going on the assumption that you would eventually release your point in some official capacity, possibly even through Google Play if not your own site or the resource Calinou mentioned. 10:19 VanessaE specing: exactly my point. 10:20 VanessaE but the whole point is moot 10:20 VanessaE hmmmm already said this would be pretty much impossible to detect anyway 10:20 VanessaE and in retrospect, doing so would put us in DRM waters, which is a dangerous place to be. 10:21 thexyz uh 10:22 thexyz that's basically saying "fuck off" to them because they're using the wrong client on a wrong platform 10:22 thexyz and that's only because developers don't give a shit 10:22 thexyz and didn't care about developing android client, so they have no right to be able to play from their android devices 10:23 VanessaE thexyz: well what do you suggest we do to kill what is clearly a threat to what little bit of an ecosystem we have here? 10:24 VanessaE they took our code (that includes shit that I wrote too) and artwork, closed-sourced it, and slapped ads on top (or charged money for it, depending on which one you downloaded). I see this as a threat to one of the central points of Minetest, that it remain free (as in freedom). 10:26 VanessaE and then they tied it to an interface, oh, roughly every fourth user either can't figure out (and I can't help with -- and they're on one of MY servers), or which behaves in some weird way that makes minetest look like a piece of crap 10:27 VanessaE Minetest already does a good enough job looking bad to some people (nevermind whether this is deserved or not, immaterial), it doesn't need help from these Buildcrap guys. 10:28 thexyz in the end only users will suffer 10:28 VanessaE (and yes I realize it's a weird double standard, as on the one hand I don't think they realize it's Minetest for the sake of legality, while on the other hand they may still realize it is and how it makes it look) 10:29 VanessaE so the users suffer if they have no android client, or the users AND the server operators AND the modders all have to suffer (so to speak) by fielding a thousand "shitposts" as you like to call them? 10:30 VanessaE I'd personally rather shut out that portion of the userbase *temporarily* until a proper, legal, fully-Free port (i.e. yours or someone else's) can be put up for distribution 10:34 thexyz that's the best way to get users angry at you 10:35 thexyz although we're already doing that 10:39 VanessaE I'd rather they be angry at us for a legit reason, then. 10:39 VanessaE and this is as legit a reason as one is likely to find in the software world, I'd like to think 10:40 VanessaE er, for a reason that results from legit actions on the part of the core devs, of course 10:40 thexyz haha 10:40 VanessaE (to a user, almost any reason to get mad is legit) 10:40 thexyz which reminds me of the story around VLC, its iOS port and GPL 10:47 VanessaE I only vaguely remember hearing something about that, and I'm not even sure if I ever did 10:47 VanessaE some random thing in slashdot, probaby 10:47 VanessaE probably* 10:47 specing Did you send a DMCA already? 10:48 VanessaE specing: a DMCA was sent, Google responded, asking for evidence. 10:49 specing was evidence provided? 10:49 nore VanessaE, do you know if c55 answered? 10:50 VanessaE nore: when he last spoke of it, he had not answered yet (he didn't know what to do), but he may have done so in the meantime. 10:50 thexyz VanessaE: VLC port was pulled down from iOS appstore because one of devs complained appstore rules didn't comply with gpl 10:51 thexyz err, pulled off 10:52 VanessaE pulled from* 10:52 thexyz VanessaE: if it includes the code you wrote too then just send a dmca to google play team 10:53 nore thexyz, do you know which Minetest version they have? 10:53 thexyz no 10:53 VanessaE eh, it includes like 100 LoC at most. a DMCA complaint would be longer than the code. :P 10:53 VanessaE nore 0.4.8-stable. 10:53 thexyz so what? 10:53 thexyz it doesn't matter 10:53 thexyz if they infringe your copyright 10:53 thexyz then you should send a dmca 11:02 specing Speaking of guests, proller: you have some kicking on sky to do 11:04 thexyz why? 11:59 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 12:00 VanessaE hi 12:02 Megaf Hi folks, huge minetestserver crash 12:02 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/72064/ 12:02 Megaf *** glibc detected *** ./minetestserver: double free or corruption (out): 0x00007f6d70416bb0 *** 12:02 VanessaE haven't seen one of those in a while... 12:06 PilzAdam Megaf, can we get a gdb backtrace with a debug build of this? 12:06 PilzAdam also, which Minetest version is that and is it reproduceable? 12:06 Megaf PilzAdam, I think you can not. It's not something that happens often 12:07 Megaf PilzAdam, however, I'd like you to help me finish to port minetest to Mac later on 12:16 XploitR Hello 12:17 XploitR Found A fork which violates licence 12:17 PilzAdam XploitR, where is that fork? 12:18 raffahacks It's me :) 12:18 raffahacks The fork 12:18 raffahacks Is the android port 12:18 VanessaE ... 12:19 raffahacks Searh on play store for buildcraft 12:19 raffahacks Or on google 12:19 * VanessaE refrains .... 12:19 raffahacks They just changed the name 12:19 VanessaE PilzAdam: sick him. 12:19 Megaf raffahacks, I am close to get minetest working on Mac 12:19 raffahacks But it's not open 12:19 Megaf raffahacks, it compile already, but it's not running yet 12:19 raffahacks Thanks megaf 12:20 VanessaE oh wait. 12:20 VanessaE we all know about that android port, unless you're somehow claiming responsibility for it. 12:21 raffahacks Is the source online 12:21 raffahacks Ok just received a mail 12:22 raffahacks Am wrong, sorry 12:22 raffahacks Source's online 12:22 VanessaE the only sources we know of are our own as in what we've published on github 12:23 raffahacks This is the pasted mail 12:23 raffahacks Yes, we released the modified code under LGPL if you are looking. 12:23 raffahacks https://github.com/lukepeng/Buildcraft 12:23 raffahacks You also can find the url on credits bottom.p 12:24 raffahacks Thank you, have to go to eat, bye 12:24 raffahacks Bye 12:25 VanessaE indeed? 12:30 VanessaE echoed the substance of the above to -dev 12:54 Megaf cool, I love Linux 12:54 Megaf I mean, GNU/Linux 12:54 Megaf nah 12:54 Megaf I love POSIX Operating Systems 12:55 Megaf We can make some cool script for automation 12:55 VanessaE bbl 13:22 aldobr hi all 13:23 harrison [07:08:40] I love POSIX Operating Systems 13:23 harrison Are you posixtive about that? 13:23 Megaf heh 13:23 Megaf yep 13:24 Megaf Can anyone please join my server to tell me about its performance? 13:24 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 13:24 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (219ms) 13:25 harrison briefly 13:25 harrison i will briefly 13:25 aldobr do we have client side lua scripting ability ? 13:26 thexyz no 13:27 aldobr ok... 13:27 harrison Megaf: still connecting.... 13:35 Jordach can't sleep VanessaE? 13:43 aldobr is it possible to change player model size with lua ? 13:43 aldobr i want to create a mod for growth and reduction potions 13:43 nore aldobr, I don't think so 13:44 aldobr :( 13:44 aldobr its would be a very fun mod 13:46 thexyz what about having multiple models of different sizes? 13:47 aldobr yes, that would cut 13:47 thexyz hm.. I'm not sure if the API allows us to do it 13:47 thexyz guess it doesn't 13:55 aldobr https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5957 13:55 aldobr this thing allows changing the player model (i will study the source code) 13:56 aldobr but i dont know how the game would react to a bigger or smaller model, under various circunstances 13:56 aldobr ex.: what happens to bounding boxes ? 13:56 aldobr how to setup the camera (eyes) to the correct heigth ? 13:56 aldobr etc 14:05 SirDigby hello 14:15 kaeza afternoons 14:19 iqualfragile hi kaeza 14:37 aldobr hi kaeza 14:39 aldobr thats the mod that i want to do : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmhUE9o_IDY 14:42 SirDigby to much to do: 14:44 kaeza aldobr, the only thing I see impossible to do there is changing the eye position/height 14:45 aldobr theres a bounding box change when you are giant or small 14:45 aldobr ex.: you can enter 1 block height passages when you are small 14:45 aldobr you cant enter normal doors when you are giant etc 14:45 kaeza yes, but in Minetest you can't change players' collisionbox (AFAIK) 14:47 kaeza could be a nice feature 14:47 aldobr very fun mod 14:47 aldobr i would add a mobzilla monster 14:48 aldobr so you get to giant heigth to fight him etc :P 14:48 aldobr or you use the potion on him to make him small 14:48 aldobr lots of uses 14:50 aldobr mobzilla : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjbnW1-Rnio 14:53 harrison make my monster ... grow! 15:11 proller 60 ppls online on one server! 15:12 proller 934M 792M usem 0 22.4H 86.77% freeminerserver 15:13 proller 2574 blocks in memory 15:14 nore ... that's a lot 15:19 proller an it still playable 15:19 proller (except problems with my bandwidth and serving media) 15:42 specing proller: Have you thought about adding unified_inventory onto your server? (having bags and a crafting guide would be cool) 15:42 proller i want to add it to freeminer base 15:44 Megaf VanessaE, Ping 15:44 specing proller: laaaaaag 15:45 proller yes 8( 15:50 * specing slaps proller 15:51 Megaf I have tones of lag on my server too 15:51 Megaf but I don't know if a problem with my connection or server configuration 15:51 Megaf I know my ISP have a broken fiber 16:19 Megaf now my servers peaks 54 KB/s 16:19 Megaf where in reality it could do 12 MB/s easily 16:19 Megaf and some players are lagged 16:19 Megaf 70 KB/s peak 16:20 Megaf average 60 KB/s 16:21 Megaf CPU load at 80 % 16:21 Megaf could do 200 % 16:21 Megaf or more 16:21 Megaf So, I just cant understand the lag 16:21 Megaf I got plenty of resources free 16:22 Megaf 380 MB of ram free too 16:24 ShadowNinja The protocol is very slow, and both sapier and xyz are working on fixing that. 16:24 thexyz I'm not really "working" on it; I've just integrated enet 16:25 thexyz and sapier apparently is trying to adapt the current protocol or fix it in some other way 16:25 Megaf you could replace the protocol entirely 16:25 Megaf no need for backwards compatibility 16:28 Megaf thexyz, that enet you said another day, thats the thing with a new protocol? 16:30 thexyz yes 16:30 thexyz sapier (and everybody else) wants backwards compatibility 16:30 thexyz I also heard some talk about adding TCP on the top 16:30 Megaf that will make things slower, will add overhead 16:30 Megaf we dont need that 16:31 Megaf we need something simple and lightweight by design 16:31 Megaf so has to be redesigned 16:32 thexyz why would that add any overhead? 16:34 specing I think bags are too cheap to make 16:34 specing only 27 tree trunks to make 4 large bags 16:34 Megaf heh 16:34 Megaf bags are useful 16:35 specing yes, but too cheap to make 16:35 ShadowNinja Megaf: You should turn down that 255 max, unless you're launching hundreds of bots at your server. 16:35 specing should require cotton or something that is harder to get 16:35 Megaf ShadowNinja, doest it makes the server more slow just for being a high number? 16:36 ShadowNinja specing: Yes, before they took a lot more wood, but only woid. 16:36 ShadowNinja wood* 16:36 ShadowNinja Megaf: A high number makes your server vulnerable to DoS attacks. 16:37 Megaf do we have DoS attacks already? 16:38 Megaf Why would someone attack minetest? We are quite small 16:38 NakedFury why would someone attack anything? 16:39 Calinou NakedFury, because they are bored 16:39 Calinou or for money 16:40 kaeza for teh lulz 16:40 NakedFury ^ there is your answer Megaf 16:40 Megaf ok 16:41 ShadowNinja I think there was one DoS attack, but it can be easily done without the server knowing your IP. 16:43 Megaf Another cool thing that cool be implemented is 16:43 Megaf I'm going to write that on a topic 16:43 Megaf brb 16:45 thexyz lol 16:45 thexyz > DoS'ing minetest server 16:45 thexyz > ever 16:50 thexyz https://gitorious.org/opensuse 16:52 thexyz what's the point if it lags anyway 16:53 thexyz http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1364/60/1364603166383.png 17:10 harrison i added the narrative essay to the yt page 17:10 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPGmuexvw_A 17:10 harrison i xosted myself making that film 17:11 harrison to please the cavilling critical masses 17:11 harrison who complained that the didn't understand the previous films 17:11 harrison i predict that those people will hate this one even more 17:14 Jordach eveni 17:14 Jordach ing* 17:25 kaeza anyone else having problems accessing the forums? 17:26 Jordach Server load 17:26 thexyz there are no problems 17:27 kaeza eh lol 17:27 kaeza restarting failfox fixed the problem 17:28 kaeza this thing royally sucks sometimes 17:31 thexyz install chromium 17:32 Calinou firefox works for me 17:32 Calinou but I use chromium 17:32 Jordach I use it on droid 17:32 Jordach works for me 8D 17:37 thexyz why? 17:40 Megaf firefox works fine here too 17:40 Megaf I used to be a firefox hater 17:41 Megaf but now a days its a pretty decent browser 17:41 thexyz I personally prefer chromium because I find it more convenient to use and faster 17:41 Megaf its my main browser since Opera is not offering a Linux version for the last 8 releases 17:41 kaeza firefox uses 100% of one CPU for me, while chromium doesn't 17:41 Megaf I use midori a a lot too 17:42 harrison and its is shiny -- objects plated with chromium have a mirrorlike appearance 17:42 us^0gb I used to like firefox. But then they introduced this one "feature" that really bothers me. The address bar no longer displays the real URI of a page, so I no longer use Firefox. 17:44 Calinou chromium does that too? 17:45 us^0gb Yeah, Chromium does it even worse. At least in Firefox, you can partially disable it. But only partially. 17:45 thexyz what are you talking about? 17:47 us^0gb The address bar in most popular browsers these days garbles URIs in the address bar in some way, thexyz. 17:47 thexyz hm.. I think it looks fine for me in chromium 17:48 us^0gb Firefox decodes URI-encoded characters. Chromium does that and stripps of the protocol prefix. 17:48 thexyz ah 17:48 thexyz is that a problem? why? 17:48 thexyz it only strips off http:// 17:49 us^0gb Because it isn't showing me the real address of a page, but a permutation of it. For many people, that isn't an issue, but for me, it's quite annoying. 17:49 NakedFury and who uses http to visit a website this days 17:49 thexyz well not everything supports https 17:49 us^0gb I visit all sorts of HTTP sites. 17:49 Calinou if you copy the link, the http:// is taken 17:49 thexyz us^0gb: don't know why's that a problem 17:50 Calinou if you don't specify protocol, http or https is presumed 17:51 us^0gb The problem is that it annoys me. Is is a problem of annoyance, not practicality. There is no good reason to strip that data. As long as there is a free browser that doesn't have that "feature" or that allows that "feature" to be fully disabled, I don't see why I should have to deal with it. 17:52 Calinou it SAVES SPACE 17:52 thexyz us^0gb: why, I think there's a reason 17:52 thexyz it looks nice 17:52 Calinou not everyone has big screens or likes scrolling through URLs 17:52 Calinou it is also REDUNDANT 17:52 Calinou redundant info is useless 17:52 thexyz i.e. 17:52 thexyz [off] http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E4%BF%BA%E3%81%AE%E5%A6%B9%E3%81%8C%E3%81%93%E3%82%93%E3%81%AA%E3%81%AB%E5%8F%AF%E6%84%9B%E3%81%84%E3%82%8F%E3%81%91%E3%81%8C%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%80%82-%E3%83%8F%E3%83%83%E3%83%94%E3%83%BC%E3%82%A8%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89-%E3%82%B6%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%89- 17:52 thexyz %E9%9B%BB%E6%92%83%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B9%E3%83%86%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E7%B7%A8%E9%9B%86%E9%83%A8/dp/4048660489/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_t_1_HPZR 17:52 NakedFury there is no good reason to NOT strip that data 17:53 thexyz hmmm... 17:53 thexyz I think quassel fucked up 17:53 us^0gb The reason is that it obscures the truth. Spaces are not allowed in addresses. Why should it look like they are? An address must have a protocol. Why should it look like none is used? 17:54 thexyz here's the url I'm talking about: http://goo.gl/Nv8ZDD 17:54 thexyz ah, you're just raging 17:54 Calinou us^0gb, a default protocol is assumed, because it's the most used one 17:54 thexyz then there's no point in talking 17:54 Calinou it's the same reason tab list is not shown if you only have 1 tab open... 17:54 us^0gb I'm not raging, I'm not even upset. SO long as I have Midori. 17:55 us^0gb *So 17:55 kaeza and the same reason URLs are not shown inline for 17:55 kaeza -for 17:56 us^0gb To each their own. I just wish it could be disabled. Then both sets of beliefs could win. 17:57 kaeza http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Technologically_22450f_2347282.jpg 17:57 thexyz you can just write a patch 17:57 thexyz kaeza: this site looks like shit :( 17:58 thexyz is this an image board? 17:59 kaeza supposedly :< 18:00 us^0gb Drats. It looks like Midori is decoding some, but not all, URI-encoded characters. That's even worse, it isn't even consistent. 18:00 kaeza futaba ftw 18:00 thexyz just write a patch 18:00 kaeza (or *booru) 18:01 thexyz and place it to /etc/portage/patches/www-client/chromium/ 18:01 Megaf Hold your hats! 18:01 thexyz somewhere around 18:01 * Megaf is compiling minetest on a Raspberry Pi 18:01 Megaf 0%! 18:01 kaeza aww 18:01 kaeza I thought you fixed the Mac port :< 18:01 thexyz kaeza: it's not like the software matters 18:02 Megaf kaeza, thexyz stopped helping me 18:02 thexyz lol 18:02 thexyz fuck me, right 18:02 thexyz for not helping someone in need 18:02 kaeza thexyz, still, it's a nice software 18:02 thexyz dunno, I have never used it 18:02 Megaf_ ok 18:02 Megaf_ Lets do this shit 18:02 thexyz kaeza: we should have a moebooru instance for Minetest 18:02 thexyz instead of that godawful mediagoblin 18:03 kaeza ^ 18:03 thexyz although I honestly can't imagine this happening 18:03 Megaf_ thexyz: so, Here is where I am now http://paste.debian.net/72103/ 18:04 Megaf_ Thats the debug stuff 18:04 thexyz Megaf_: well I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of such remote debugging 18:04 thexyz or, how we call it, debugging-over-irc 18:04 thexyz gdb-over-irc 18:04 thexyz if you want to ask something specific then go on 18:04 Megaf_ thexyz: Would you like remote access to a Mac? 18:05 thexyz if you want to go the "fix this shit" route then I probably can't help 18:05 thexyz what kind of remote access? 18:05 Megaf_ ssh 18:05 Megaf_ full root 18:05 thexyz maybe 18:06 thexyz and how will I debug a graphical app then? 18:06 Megaf_ I can give you VNC then 18:06 thexyz okay 18:07 Megaf_ thexyz: Just let me get things ready 18:07 Megaf_ thexyz: Do you prefer to start from scratch or from I have stopped? 18:07 thexyz no, not from scratch 18:07 thexyz I'm also not willing to spend more than 1 hour on it, starting from now <3 18:07 Megaf_ lol 18:08 Megaf_ so I better fix that alone 18:08 thexyz as you wish 18:08 Megaf_ I'm not giving you control over my Mac, I would give you a virtual machine 18:08 Megaf_ I still need to install some software there 18:08 thexyz then I don't really see the point 18:10 Megaf_ PilzAdam: Hi there 18:14 Megaf_ ShadowNinja: You are not shadowzone are you? 18:14 ShadowNinja Megaf: Nope. 18:14 Mossmanikin Hi folks 18:14 kaeza hey Mossmanikin 18:15 ShadowNinja Hello Mossmanikin. 18:17 us^0gb Hello, Mossmanikin! 18:22 us^0gb It seems even Midori has this issue, though to a much lesser extent. Time to browser shop again. 18:25 Mossmanikin Just curious: what's the issue? 18:27 us^0gb The issue is that URI-encoded characters in the address bar are being displayed incorrectly. That is to say, they are being displayed in their decoded state. 18:27 us^0gb Midori only does this with some characters, but more popular browsers do it with all characters. 18:27 Mossmanikin Ok, thanks 18:34 thexyz > year of linux desktop 18:34 thexyz > wifi still can't just work 18:37 us^0gb Yeah, also graphics cards. 18:38 us^0gb Both my wireless card and my graphics card freeze my system if I don't use some workarounds. 18:39 Calinou wifi works OOTB often, but often requirs non-free firmware 18:40 us^0gb Even with non-free firmware, one laptop in my house won't even recognize the wireless card. 18:41 thexyz Calinou: well, it sort of works 18:41 thexyz but then just stopts 18:41 thexyz stops working 18:41 thexyz magic! 18:41 thexyz so I have to reboot to fix it 18:41 thexyz this is a bit irritating 18:42 Calinou this never happened to me 18:43 Calinou I have a netbook with atheros wifi, that rarely crashes, but wifi works again if you disable and enable it again hardware-wise (Fn+F2) 18:44 thexyz uh, this is a desktop 18:45 thexyz https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61621 18:45 thexyz known bug 18:45 Calinou >wifi >desktop 18:45 thexyz yes? 18:46 thexyz > typical linux fanboy telling me some feature doesn't work because it's not needed 18:46 thexyz and no one obviously uses that! 18:47 Calinou why would you use wifi on a desktop? 18:49 thexyz why would you ask a question and then quit? 18:49 thexyz that's because running a cable to this room is not an option 18:49 thexyz and wifi generally works well enough 18:50 thexyz to not even bother with cables 19:13 _Megaf [100%] Built target minetestserver 19:13 _Megaf real 72m19.510s 19:14 _Megaf 72 minutes to compile the latest minetestserver on my Pi 19:17 _Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30001 19:17 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30001 is up (668ms) 19:23 thexyz oh wow nvidia is so awful 19:25 PilzAdam I never had any problems with my nvidia card 19:25 thexyz both my video card are running on the max performance level and I cannot lower it 19:25 thexyz I cannot underclock the card either, without reflashing its bios 19:25 thexyz what the fuck 19:29 us^0gb Wifi is just so much easier. All the desktops in my house are on wifi. 19:34 thexyz indeed 19:34 thexyz when it works 19:38 thexyz Calinou: why is nvidia so awful? 19:39 Calinou because people keep buying their graphic cards? 19:40 Calinou I'm very surprised to hear you saying nvidia is awful 19:40 Calinou you're usually the kind of person who would say they are "the win" 19:41 thexyz I heard that other video card are even worse 19:41 thexyz I loved them until I got this crazy setup with two video cards 19:42 thexyz maybe I should just build a htpc instead? 19:43 thexyz or wait for steambox 19:44 moldy hi 19:45 moldy how does minetest relate to minecraft? the screenshots look so similiar. is it more or less a clone? 19:46 kaeza moldy, other than the genre, nothing 19:46 moldy kaeza: hm, ok 19:47 kaeza actually depends on what you are talking about 19:47 kaeza minetest is the engine, and minetest_game is the game 19:48 moldy kaeza: i see 19:50 Jordach *reading scrollback* 19:51 Jordach mostly ol xyz bitching about foss world problems 19:53 kaeza moldy, you can more or less do anything by making a game to run on the engine; minetest_game has rather minimal minecraft-like gameplay, while games like MiniTest tries to actually emulate MC gameplay. There's also Realtest which tries to give a more "realistic" feel, or you can just mix and match mods to create your own game 19:53 kaeza wow that was longer than I thought 20:58 us^0gb thexyz: I'm told Intel graphics cards work out of the box. 20:58 iqualfragile us^0gb: they should 21:00 _Megaf Is there anyway to fix a broken world? 21:00 _Megaf 17:54:22: ERROR[EmergeThread0]: Invalid block data in database (4,-1,4) (SerializationError): decompressZlib: inflate failed 21:00 _Megaf 17:54:27: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Invalid data in MapBlock (4,-1,4) 21:00 w_laenger they do not if you have installed wrong graphics drivers 21:00 iqualfragile _Megaf: yes, you first need to aquire a goat or alternatively a virgin 21:00 iqualfragile and at least 5 candles 21:01 iqualfragile then you put the virgin/goat on your satans shrine 21:02 iqualfragile cut its cartoid atery 21:02 iqualfragile using the blood you now proceed to draw a pentagram 21:03 iqualfragile make sure that the angle is off by less then 1 percent! 21:03 iqualfragile then place the candles where lines cross, light them all using burning coal 21:04 iqualfragile continue trading your soul to satan and he will fix your problem 21:04 iqualfragile _Megaf: thats how you fix a broken map 21:05 w_laenger How often can you repair a map in this way? 21:08 us^0gb w_laenger: Only once. It costs your soul to do it, and you only get one soul. 21:09 w_laenger And if you are SATAn? 21:10 us^0gb I don't know another way to fix the maps though. If you know how to manipulate SQLite files, you could delete the broken map block, saving the rest of the map. 21:10 w_laenger SATAN ?= Serial Advanced Technology Attachment New 21:10 _Megaf iqualfragile, I dont think so 21:11 us^0gb Maybe. I haven't used SATAN yet. 21:11 us^0gb I'm waiting for the free version. 21:11 w_laenger actually it's something different 21:11 w_laenger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Administrator_Tool_for_Analyzing_Networks 21:12 Mossmanikin_ Can't help laughing 21:12 * us^0gb busts up laughing that someone would use that acronym for their product 21:14 harrison For those offended by the name, the package contains a program called repent, which changes everything named SATAN to SANTA. 21:15 Mossmanikin_ :D 21:15 kaeza "Shortly before beginning the GNU project, I heard about the Free University Compiler Kit, also known as VUCK. (The Dutch word for "free" is written with a V.)" -- RMS 21:15 harrison The Free University is also known as "Vuck U." 21:15 us^0gb Nice. 21:16 harrison Interestingly, they hired an American as the college president 21:16 harrison Charles Urquhart Farley 21:16 harrison his friends call him Chuck U Farley of course 21:17 us^0gb Of course. 21:19 Mossmanikin_ Still interesting question: how to fix a broken world? ... 21:19 harrison tikkun olam? 21:19 harrison gosh i am quick 21:19 harrison no wonder i am disliked 21:20 harrison jealousy 21:20 w_laenger you could use sqliteman 21:22 w_laenger you could also do a right click onto it and click on "repair" 21:22 harrison i live in a weaksauce world 21:23 harrison where o where is the one proud enough, brave enough 21:23 harrison to leave the first comment on my film? 21:23 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPGmuexvw_A 21:23 harrison 44 views and no comments and no likes and one dislike is a outrage 21:23 harrison i shall register a complaint with the Committee 21:23 w_laenger finally something to watch 21:28 w_laenger Now I watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvaGd4KqlvQ 21:29 w_laenger now this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O04ErnJ8USY 21:32 w_laenger and now I watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Bh7D9M-Ao 21:34 w_laenger the last one has something to do with minetest 21:35 harrison no comment?! 21:35 harrison this is a outrage!! 21:36 w_laenger an* 21:36 Mossmanikin_ I bet it's too scientific for a popular site like YouTube 21:36 harrison I bet it is too scientific for any site 21:37 w_laenger I changed the view count to 57 by reloading 21:38 harrison do you think i should try xtube instead and make an mpeg-compressed porno film titled "Mmm, Peggy!"? 21:38 harrison rimshot 21:38 Mossmanikin_ You'd surely get some likes... 21:38 harrison not so 21:39 harrison and no comments 21:39 w_laenger I don't have a youtube account, so... 21:39 harrison from the weaksauce gormless mooncalf crowd of plebeians called "people other than me" 21:40 MinetestBot RealBadAngel: could you tell me what you think about that please? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1041 21:40 harrison is it correct to use "weaksauce" as an adjective like that? 21:41 Mossmanikin_ Who cares? Creativity rules. 21:41 w_laenger don't ask me, here are other people, too and they should write here sth 21:42 harrison i am only pretending 21:42 harrison it is just how i 01,04droll 21:42 w_laenger droll is red marked 21:43 w_laenger how can you do this? 21:43 Mossmanikin_ First red word I ever seen here :D 21:44 w_laenger I marked it with my mouse, now it's grey 21:44 Mossmanikin_ Still red here 21:45 harrison w_laenger: my irc client is quasselclient with a remote core 21:45 harrison you coulld use monolithic quassel to color text 21:46 harrison or there are outside tools like jave 21:46 harrison to make ascii art 21:46 harrison i would post an example 21:46 harrison but MinetestBot is strict and would kick me 21:46 Mossmanikin_ Yeah 21:47 harrison i have some lovely ascii art, too 21:47 harrison hello kitty with the nazi battle flag 21:47 w_laenger 3(E>3=6+9- 1%>3)6+!?6*7."8,0$�ƫ�γѽ��ŪkQ2sY:M6U> M6U>"fM)nU18 21:47 harrison hello kitty with an ak47 21:47 Mossmanikin_ :D 21:48 w_laenger �z�~r������������������������������������0)#(!0)#(!��������������������z�~r������������������������������������0)#(!������������������������  MD;E<3�� 21:48 harrison an ad for an imaginary soft drink marketed to otaku types called13 tentacle grape 21:48 Mossmanikin_ See a lot of question marks... 21:48 w_laenger #(!0)#(!sadads 21:48 w_laenger it's inderlined 21:48 w_laenger under* 21:49 w_laenger #(!0 21:49 w_laenger #d 21:49 w_laenger #minetest 21:50 Mossmanikin_ Interesting, but makes no sense 21:52 w_laenger ��DE�Z�pZ�I�D�������������(�����(7�M��#� 21:52 w_laenger I got this stuff with cat 21:52 w_laenger (�`Ë®=��h�ϒ��k{hA��j�{@(�'P�[-��.����f�P΀F��q��U>�c�3V���7��֑��O;��X��4ʽ�˼�8�����\2R����qXnt�a�e�c�H>vO�a�R��@��Kb����-�?�������l�}��A�Oz�v&?��V��`��:�mě����ŋ�+��0���W R�~�����c�&9í�79Ѣ�ƿn���.��uï¿ 21:52 zash you have a cat? 21:53 w_laenger I had one 21:53 Mossmanikin_ Still just a lot of question marks, looks a bit like modern art 21:53 NekoGloop don't use cat on non-text files 21:53 w_laenger Ѣƿ 21:53 zash looks like line noise 21:53 w_laenger why not? 21:53 zash just missing +++NO CARRIER 21:53 NekoGloop because cat is for text files 21:53 w_laenger why? 21:54 zash cat is for concatenating multiple files 21:54 NekoGloop because cat 21:54 Mossmanikin_ Noise can be art, but sometimes hard to say... 21:54 NekoGloop so anyway 21:54 NekoGloop how goes the testing of the mines 21:55 w_laenger http://pastebin.com/i5hY2Unx 21:56 phantombeta Hi 21:56 Mossmanikin_ Dunno if I should install something to encrypt it... 21:56 Mossmanikin_ phantombeta: Hi 21:56 zash look in /dev/urandom 21:56 w_laenger hi 21:56 phantombeta 'sup? 21:57 w_laenger !help 21:57 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md 21:57 thexyz what the fuck? 21:57 Jordach leagner, stop spamming 21:57 Mossmanikin_ Just chattin a bit 21:58 w_laenger !b32e � ���H�� �"�� � ��1 21:58 MinetestBot 56732IAW56732BHPX66QJ357XVEO7P5556732IBA56732IXPX6667P55EDX37PJACLX37PIE56732MI= 21:58 Jordach hey mossy 21:58 w_laenger !b32d 56732IAW56732BHPX66QJ357XVEO7P5556732IBA56732IXPX6667P55EDX37PJACLX37PIE56732MI= 21:58 MinetestBot \xef\xbf\xbd \x16\xef\xbf\xbd\x04\xef\xbf\xbd\x04\xef\xbf\xbdH\xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd \xef\xbf\xbd"\xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd \xef\xbf\xbd \x12\xef\xbf\xbd\x04\xef\xbf\xbd1 21:58 Mossmanikin_ Whattef? 21:58 Mossmanikin_ Hi Jordach :) 21:59 Jordach dammit, last warning lawgner 21:59 Mossmanikin_ ? 21:59 Jordach cant spell on a tablet :P 21:59 Mossmanikin_ ^^ 21:59 Jordach moss, generating channel flood / spam 22:00 w_laenger !b32e � 22:00 MinetestBot 56732=== 22:00 Mossmanikin_ Yeah, understood ;) 22:01 w_laenger it looks like I woke Jordach 22:01 NekoGloop Jordach, how goes the testing of the mines 22:01 Jordach im acrually playjng mc360 right now 22:02 w_laenger you was* 22:02 Mossmanikin_ I wish it would make any sense, those signs, but unfortunately it doesn't 22:02 Jordach girlfriend plays splitscreen 22:02 NekoGloop eugh 22:02 NekoGloop I hate splitscreen MC 22:03 NekoGloop though the MC360 controls are enough to be blech 22:03 Jordach 1080p 50in tv solces that 22:03 Mossmanikin_ The german "blech"? 22:03 w_laenger that's the point→ ̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣ 22:04 w_laenger ok, it looks like a small square 22:04 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Bugfix to get_all_craft_recipes. 7ae0b90ff7 2013-12-21T14:03:51-08:00 http://git.io/j0O0Yg 22:06 Jordach \o/ finally solves that rather annoying bug in ui 22:08 RealBadAngel it wasnt only UI bug 22:09 RealBadAngel somebody made cleanup to the function i made and broke it 22:09 _Megaf 22:09:22: ERROR[ServerThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "moreblocks:horizontal_jungle_tree" at (58,-30,2) (block (3,-2,0)) 22:09 _Megaf VanessaE, Millions of these at different locations 22:09 _Megaf whats going one? 22:10 Jordach its your problem for writing bad code, rba 22:10 RealBadAngel not really 22:10 RealBadAngel my code was working one 22:10 RealBadAngel the one who made it lookin nicer, fucked it up 22:12 RealBadAngel some1 rewrote the function without knowing how it works and what it should do 22:13 w_laenger I thought it's Calyou's code 22:14 w_laenger !c 1+1 22:14 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c) 22:15 RealBadAngel anyway its fixed now, issue closed 22:16 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: are there any bump/normalmaps for the default tp? 22:17 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, its Bumped tp 22:17 w_laenger could you make a chocolate TP? 22:17 RealBadAngel you can use only _normal.png 's from it 22:17 iqualfragile link? 22:17 RealBadAngel hold on 22:17 w_laenger with bumpmapping 22:18 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7762 22:19 RealBadAngel from the zip you can delete all the upscaled default textures, leaving only normals 22:19 RealBadAngel the texture pack is discontinued however, that effect will be aviable as an option ingame 22:19 RealBadAngel without need for any extra file 22:19 w_laenger what happens if I would call something normal.png or normal_normal.png? 22:19 RealBadAngel *s 22:20 RealBadAngel normal map file name is generated based on texture file, adding "_normal" at the end 22:21 RealBadAngel so if theres for example default_stone.png , engine will check for existence of default_stone_normal.png 22:21 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: how would you add this efect without files? 22:21 RealBadAngel its generated on the fly 22:22 iqualfragile you can not do that 22:22 RealBadAngel applying 3x3 sobel operator 22:22 iqualfragile there is no explicit height information in ususal textures 22:22 RealBadAngel ofc i can, its working already 22:22 RealBadAngel wanna see the screenshots? 22:22 iqualfragile yes 22:22 RealBadAngel a sec 22:24 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/LEzebiX.png http://i.imgur.com/RX2BUjh.png 22:24 RealBadAngel thats with sphax's 256x 22:24 RealBadAngel without and with effect on 22:25 w_laenger does bumpmapping depend on the look-position? 22:25 iqualfragile w_laenger: it does depend on light 22:26 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/NcVNdwL.png http://i.imgur.com/Jh13V2j.png http://i.imgur.com/KHgOlOy.png 22:26 iqualfragile and there is no real light in minetest yet 22:26 RealBadAngel and ^^ some screenshots taken on VanessaE's survival server 22:26 kaeza so much negativity in this channel lately 22:26 iqualfragile i do not find these heightmaps to be satisfying 22:26 iqualfragile kaeza: you think so? 22:26 w_laenger and it doesn't work with openGL 2.0 22:27 Mossmanikin_ So glad you're working on realism, RBA 22:27 RealBadAngel ofc you can make better normal maps 22:27 iqualfragile good 22:27 RealBadAngel point is to allow simple bumping feature for all folks without having to make them 22:27 w_laenger when will water flow away torches? 22:27 iqualfragile w_laenger: when you implement it? 22:28 RealBadAngel if you would like to see better ones try HavenNG 22:28 w_laenger I don't have time for it 22:28 w_laenger and compiling minetest takes very long 22:28 iqualfragile w_laenger: but you do have time to play minetest? 22:28 w_laenger yes 22:29 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: might take a look allthought i dislike the look of those high-res non-comic tps 22:29 w_laenger playing minetest is more important, isn't it? 22:29 RealBadAngel w_laenger, what doesnt work with OpenGL 2.0? 22:29 w_laenger liquid use of shaders 22:30 RealBadAngel w_laenger, then please do provide me error logs you are getting, together with info on your os/drivers you are using 22:31 w_laenger I don't get error logs if I enable the bumpmapping setting 22:32 w_laenger it just works like with shaders and without bumpmapping 22:32 RealBadAngel wait a sec, what are you talking about? bumpmapping or water waving shaders? 22:33 w_laenger water waving is useless with 1 FPS 22:33 w_laenger but ti works 22:33 w_laenger it* 22:33 RealBadAngel and bumpmapping is useless without texture pack that supports normal maps 22:34 w_laenger it's useless for me, too if I use such a texture pack 22:34 RealBadAngel useless in what meaning? 22:34 w_laenger it doesn't seem to cause something 22:35 RealBadAngel what texture pack have you tried actually? 22:35 w_laenger VaE's texture pack 22:35 RealBadAngel it doesnt support any normal maps 22:35 RealBadAngel any other? 22:35 w_laenger I read that it supports them 22:35 RealBadAngel hold on for the link 22:36 w_laenger and I didn't find other texture packs with normal maps 22:36 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/minetest/HavenNG/HavenNG_256x.zip 22:36 RealBadAngel because you dont read forums? ;) 22:36 w_laenger ok, except your's 22:38 RealBadAngel folks are free to create anothers, i just gave them ability to do so 22:39 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: any progress on getting real lights into minetest? 22:39 w_laenger I still don't see a difference between enabled and disabled bumpmapping 22:39 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, i will get to it in the future, i still do have many ongoing projects 22:40 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: while bumpmaping dos improve the looks of minetest quite a bit it actuall makes it look wore without lights 22:41 RealBadAngel w_laenger, please check if you have selected mine texture pack, have enabled shaders, bumpmapping and parallax occlusion 22:42 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, implementing real lighting is not so easy when theres already another light system ingame 22:44 w_laenger I enabled these and don't really see a difference 22:46 RealBadAngel can you make a screenshot? 22:47 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/1796870/c089e882-6a91-11e3-873d-f6457a690be1.png 22:47 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/1796872/c676b176-6a91-11e3-8ad1-c5d01d347d9e.png 22:47 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: i know 22:47 w_laenger the first one is without bumpmapping 22:48 w_laenger or the second one 22:48 w_laenger I think the second one 22:49 w_laenger or not 22:49 w_laenger I guess bumpmapping is enabled on the second picture 22:49 Mossmanikin_ matters not, there's no difference but daytime 22:50 w_laenger I enabled bumpmapping, shaders and parallax occlusion 22:50 w_laenger and anisotropic filtering 22:52 sfan5 hi everyone 22:52 MinetestBot sfan5: I found another way to take HD screenshots with Minetest without having to use a modified version... using xrandr 22:52 sfan5 WTF glibc 22:53 sfan5 !tell nore nice.. 22:53 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when nore is around 22:53 sfan5 my hunger games server is down since 9 o'clock today because the glibc devs thought it would be good to halt the process when a memory corruption is detected instead of restarting it 22:54 Mossmanikin_ Gotta go, bye, later 22:55 w_laenger bye 22:55 MinetestBot w_laenger: hi 22:56 RealBadAngel w_laenger, please do try placing bricks block and walkin around it 22:57 RealBadAngel see if the bricks are changing depending on the point of view 22:57 w_laenger ok 22:57 MinetestBot w_laenger: nothing 22:57 w_laenger oo 22:58 w_laenger it seem to work but walking around doesn't work 22:58 w_laenger s* 22:59 RealBadAngel bricks shall follow your line of sight 22:59 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/1796892/87900a14-6a93-11e3-9da8-5a3c3c1c6109.png 22:59 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/1796893/8d120c76-6a93-11e3-9a83-400988994c4a.png 23:00 w_laenger they don't follow it 23:00 RealBadAngel btw, you should enable at least bilinear filtering 23:00 RealBadAngel and they do 23:01 RealBadAngel i can see from screenshots 23:01 RealBadAngel move slowly cursor from left to right or up/down 23:01 RealBadAngel and notice edges of the bricks 23:02 RealBadAngel propably you could find the effect more visible on ores 23:02 RealBadAngel try mese ore or iron for example 23:03 w_laenger it does only work if I look into z direction 23:03 RealBadAngel thats odd 23:04 RealBadAngel what build are you using? 23:05 RealBadAngel i like the bumps to be soft 23:05 w_laenger 0.4.8-dev 23:05 RealBadAngel adding some shadows and give a slight feel of something being not so flat 23:07 RealBadAngel john_minetest, Haven or HavenNG? 23:07 RealBadAngel Haven is discontinued 23:09 RealBadAngel w_laenger, so please do send me details on your system 23:09 w_laenger ok 23:09 sfan5 w_laenger: could you please stop with this shit? 23:09 RealBadAngel i need to know what os/drivers/GPU details you have 23:10 w_laenger sorry 23:10 w_laenger I was testing minetest bot 23:11 w_laenger 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) 23:11 MinetestBot w_laenger: Can I test you now? 23:11 w_laenger yes 23:11 RealBadAngel that may be the reason, i was developin it on ati 23:12 RealBadAngel lately i found out thats a big difference and some code can work only on one of them 23:12 MinetestBot w_laenger: what's 12351 * 2135 - 132123? 23:12 w_laenger http://www.nvidia.de/page/fx_5200.html 23:13 w_laenger MinetestBot: 26237262 23:13 MinetestBot w_laenger: Are you lagging or just slow? 23:13 w_laenger I'm lagging 23:14 RealBadAngel w_laenger, its rather old GPU, what is your usual frame rate on it? 23:14 w_laenger 40 23:15 RealBadAngel without shaders? or with? 23:15 w_laenger without 23:15 w_laenger and in a small tunnel 23:15 RealBadAngel its AGP one, so i guess that your box is old one too 23:16 w_laenger yes 23:16 RealBadAngel i had 2 boards with AGP slots and trashed them lately because they were unusable anymore ;) 23:17 w_laenger I get 25 FPS in the desert with view range 35 and no shaders 23:17 RealBadAngel but seriously, i will try to find the reason why the shaders are behaving differently on nvidia boards 23:17 RealBadAngel i guess i will have to buy an nvidia gpu for that 23:18 w_laenger OpenGL 2.1.2, GLSL version: 1.2 23:18 RealBadAngel shaders are limited to use 1.2 version 23:18 w_laenger I don't think the new version of mesa supports a graphics card like mine 23:19 RealBadAngel theyre not using anything above 1.2 23:19 w_laenger you need at least opengl 1.4 to use a system where you can install minetest 23:20 w_laenger the new version of minetest 23:20 RealBadAngel i mean GLSL 23:20 w_laenger ok 23:20 RealBadAngel minetest shaders require GLSL 1.2 23:21 RealBadAngel and are limited to that version 23:21 w_laenger but I think bumpmapping needs a new version of opengl, too 23:24 RealBadAngel if shaders do compile for you they should work 23:25 RealBadAngel only thing is that same code can work differently on nvidia and ati 23:25 RealBadAngel which is odd but true 23:26 w_laenger I have a problem with nodeboxes, too 23:28 iqualfragile wtF? pulseaudio seems to be a *bit* buggy 23:28 w_laenger https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3192173/1796937/8bf29ac8-6a97-11e3-9e24-5e34fc5919c7.png 23:28 w_laenger have you installed jack? 23:28 iqualfragile when another player wants to play stuff the stuff i allready play gets 20% louder 23:29 w_laenger sounds in minetest? 23:29 iqualfragile youtube video in the background gets louder when i start minetest 23:29 PilzAdam PA is best 23:30 w_laenger MT is better 23:31 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Fix wrong names for parallax settings in config example. a58b47d0f6 2013-12-21T15:30:17-08:00 http://git.io/xpr47A 23:33 w_laenger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit 23:34 w_laenger read this 23:34 PilzAdam w_laenger, no 23:34 w_laenger PilzAdam, why not? 23:35 PilzAdam I dont want you 23:35 PilzAdam s/you/to 23:35 w_laenger PilzAdam, ok, what about this? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit 23:36 PilzAdam that one neither 23:37 w_laenger !b64d SSByZWFkIGl0LCB0b28u 23:37 MinetestBot I read it, too. 23:38 w_laenger !b64d L21l 23:38 MinetestBot /me 23:38 w_laenger interesting... for me 23:40 w_laenger http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/audio.mp3?c=03AHJ_Vutw1VZpl7xxHk-r7S_YVItL73EsaoBHYMvP63rD2vzSsQxVPpSQEnmSW1_Eajy_zJ1i3hygFkhnPuJzhhWpSnM5XSRNJ2KNNa0xtDoqdqLSB57oPiSorDfIpzLd6nV6NMd5KpaBdIRdR3sDyE_O_RcKKvllUfAdbpmyNxVSTzunN_CtzU0 23:41 PilzAdam google link -> nope.avi 23:41 w_laenger sorry, bit.ly/19jEqP2 23:41 PilzAdam link shortener -> nope.avi 23:41 w_laenger http://bit.ly/19jEqP2 * 23:42 w_laenger why do you need avi? 23:42 w_laenger just listen and use your imagination 23:42 w_laenger for the visible stuff 23:43 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/oHg5SJYRHA0 23:44 w_laenger ogg: bit.ly/J5QNlD 23:44 w_laenger http://bit.ly/J5QNlD 23:45 w_laenger mkv: http://bit.ly/1cm35mq 23:46 w_laenger it: http://bit.ly/1l4YkwL 23:46 iqualfragile could it be that the android version of minetest does not support loading from http server? 23:46 w_laenger midi: http://bit.ly/195FYJZ 23:47 w_laenger png: http://bit.ly/1juxkeD 23:48 PilzAdam w_laenger, stop spamming 23:48 w_laenger !sorry 23:48 iqualfragile !stfu 23:48 MinetestBot someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted. 23:48 MinetestBot john_minetest: Document isn't HTML 23:48 harrison it is not spam 23:48 harrison have you never listened to a john cage composition? 23:49 harrison w_laenger is doing cage like art using irc and repetition 23:49 harrison dk 23:49 harrison 04art is not spam 23:50 w_laenger ̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣ 23:50 w_laenger so I can continue? 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