Time Nick Message 00:02 Megaf proller, by one player 03:24 E4xoi fuck 03:24 E4xoi i don't have any cheap way to withdraw funds in an automatically way 03:24 E4xoi (LTC) 03:29 E4xoi (without having to get a hell lot of documentation) 04:26 OWNSyouAll Is there a program to make a web map of a world like dynmap for minecraft? 05:21 thexyz VanessaE: just ask what you need 05:22 VanessaE thexyz: stuff tends to get lost in the noise if I do that. :P 05:22 thexyz then pm 05:23 VanessaE I may have already asked this, but can you transfer ownership of the first post in threads 7463 and 7575 to me please? 05:23 VanessaE (both are DanDuncombe, who is banned, and are about servers which I own and run) 05:24 thexyz just create new posts 05:24 thexyz it's too inconvenient to transfer ownership 05:25 VanessaE ... 05:27 thexyz then you can play with splitting and merging posts 05:27 thexyz err *new topics 05:38 VanessaE thexyz: done and done. 05:38 VanessaE didn't know it was really "acceptable" to do that 05:45 E4xoi https://xkcd.com/404/ 05:48 VanessaE heh 05:55 E4xoi haha 05:55 E4xoi https://xkcd.com/512/ 05:55 E4xoi it is just funny to look at old xkcd comics 05:55 E4xoi you saw ALL of them, and you still laugh 05:55 VanessaE haha 05:56 VanessaE a sad lot we are :D 07:07 E4xoi http://i.imgur.com/L0MC1qi.jpg 07:20 E4xoi VanessaE: i'm a dubstep remixed exio4! 07:20 VanessaE lol 07:22 E4xoi here, my bot dubstep remixed your nick! VseasnaE 07:23 * E4xoi uploads VanessaE to the the.wubmachine.com 07:23 VanessaE heh 07:25 E4xoi my GPU is at 80C! 07:25 E4xoi moar C! 07:26 VanessaE meh, that's nuthin' from nuthin' ;) 07:26 VanessaE GPUs can run quite a bit hotter :) 07:27 E4xoi some guy he made his gt 610 get over 90C and didn't have any problems 07:27 E4xoi but i can't make it get over 80C for some seconds 07:27 VanessaE don't GPUs normally go in excess of 120C or something? 07:27 VanessaE at full bore, I mean 07:28 E4xoi +100C isn't good for the GPU 07:28 VanessaE of course not :) 07:28 E4xoi i would like to overclock the gpu under linux 07:28 VanessaE there's a reason I keep my GPU's heat sink and fan clean and have a bit of AS-5 between the chip and its heat sink. 07:29 E4xoi i need to clean the dust every two weeks or less 07:30 VanessaE you need to get some decent filters in your intake fans then 07:30 VanessaE and seal up all the cracks 07:30 E4xoi i have the chassis open 07:30 VanessaE that bad, eh? 07:30 E4xoi also, a hell lot of filters won't help 07:30 E4xoi i live in a rural area 07:31 E4xoi (moving to a depto soonish for studying, though) 07:31 E4xoi i hope i can switch the every-12-days-cleanup to every-30 at that time! 07:32 E4xoi also, as soon as i get some money, i'll try to switch to watercooling :D 07:32 VanessaE depto? 07:32 E4xoi deparment 07:32 E4xoi t 07:32 VanessaE dorms? 07:33 E4xoi alone for now, i don't know anyone (right now) that will study the same :P 07:34 * E4xoi 's network is slow that even minetest's (actual) transfer is fast enough for him :P 07:35 VanessaE the word we used for a large building in which multitudes of students are housed, where they sleep and study during their off-school hours, is a dormitory. 07:35 VanessaE usually separated by gender. 07:35 E4xoi ah, no 07:37 E4xoi there are departaments (small, small kitchen, room and bathroom, everything in less than (5-8)x(15-20) (or so; i guess) 07:39 VanessaE OH 07:39 VanessaE APARTments. 07:39 VanessaE sounds like an "efficiency" apartment or "studio" 07:39 E4xoi well 07:39 VanessaE that is what we call those here 07:39 E4xoi i've used google translate at first for the word, don't blame me! :P 07:40 VanessaE hehe 07:40 VanessaE yeah 07:40 VanessaE you cram everything except the toilet into one room pretty much 07:40 E4xoi not that much, there is a small wall between the kitchen and the room! 07:40 VanessaE heh, you got it good then :) 07:41 E4xoi most of them are in that way, but there isn't that much space anyway 07:41 E4xoi room = bed + some space for going out of the room 07:43 E4xoi also, going to a city => cheap internet (and better, i'm sure i will get at least 4mbps, versus 1/4mbps i have right now); cheap electricity; and well, everything there is cheap ;P 07:43 E4xoi inb4 4mbps? what is that shit 07:43 VanessaE four? heh 07:43 E4xoi i won't be moving to a big city eh! :P 07:44 E4xoi nor it is that easy to get over 10mbps here 07:44 VanessaE I live in a tiny town of like 10k or something, I get 30 here, spikes up past 50 :) 07:44 E4xoi the US != Argentina 07:44 VanessaE yeah yeah sure, excuses :P :) 07:45 E4xoi i'll be moving to a small town w/ mostly students and under 5k people 07:45 E4xoi 4200 in 2010 07:47 VanessaE out in the boonies eh? 07:47 E4xoi it is a nice place :P 07:47 E4xoi also, public university 07:48 E4xoi i'll only pay for the (depto) ;P 07:48 VanessaE sorry, "in the boonies" -> "out in the boondocks" -> "out in a distant place, far from large cities": 07:48 VanessaE -: 07:48 E4xoi not that far though 07:48 E4xoi 10km of the capital of my province 07:48 E4xoi and <40km of my home 08:20 E4xoi http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1t7rb2/redditors_whove_posted_nude_pics_online_what_is/ce5ap0f 08:20 VanessaE uh, no 08:20 E4xoi read it 08:20 E4xoi if you don't laugh... xD 08:22 VanessaE *reads* 08:22 VanessaE haha 08:24 E4xoi this one is a good one too http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1t7rb2/redditors_whove_posted_nude_pics_online_what_is/ce5abgv 08:25 VanessaE meh 09:25 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Human Solidarity Day! :-D 09:26 * VanessaE looks at herself.... pats in a few places... 09:26 VanessaE yup, seems pretty solid, except the belly, a bit squishy there. 09:26 VanessaE :) 09:26 VanessaE hey Jaes 09:26 VanessaE James* 09:27 JamesTait Hi VanessaE. :) Did you manage to sleep yesterday? 09:27 VanessaE yep, I eventually sleep, just not always when I want to 09:27 xyz|imaginary we've figured this out 09:27 xyz|imaginary it eats that much cpu because it's too fast 09:28 xyz|imaginary also anyone to test enet server? 09:31 Megaf Bom dia 09:31 Megaf That's Good morning in Portuguese 09:31 VanessaE hi 09:31 Megaf 7:31 AM here 09:32 xyz|imaginary john_minetest: I've lost my |real part 09:32 xyz|imaginary I'm so complex 09:32 Megaf xyz|imaginary, Give me the github page 09:33 xyz|imaginary https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch enet connect to xyz.is:30000 09:33 xyz|imaginary sfan5: sorry, I can't reproduce your issue with disconnects; it'd be great if you could help me debug it 09:34 JamesTait VanessaE, well, at least you sleep. I suppose it could be worse. 09:35 Megaf xyz|imaginary, so you forked the freeminer fork 09:35 VanessaE yeah like that guy in...Viet Nam was it? who allegedly hasn't slept for, like 27 years or something 09:36 JamesTait VanessaE, ouch. :( 09:36 Megaf xyz|imaginary, does your server runs enet server too? 09:37 JamesTait I know I don't get what most people would consider enough sleep (even I'd have to agree with them sometimes), but I *do* sleep. :) 09:38 xyz|imaginary Megaf: you will only be able to connect to it because the protocol is fully changed 09:38 VanessaE "enough" is relative, but I definitely get too little, for sure. 09:39 xyz|imaginary Megaf: i "forked" it to develop on my own copy 09:39 VanessaE probably 6 hours a day, should be getting closer to 8-9 but my body + the sun prevents it 09:51 JamesTait VanessaE, I typically get around 5 hours most nights, and catch up with an extra couple of hours most weekends. 09:53 VanessaE I can't imagine anyone being functional on so littl 09:53 VanessaE +e 09:59 xyz|imaginary no one wants to test my stuff ;_; 09:59 xyz|imaginary yet everyone wants the development to progress 10:01 VanessaE you propose a test that, as I understood the discussion, is 100% incompatible with everything, and would need to take place on a production server to be a fair test, in an environment that (for me) is already loaded down enough as it is. that's why I don't wanna touch it. 10:01 xyz|imaginary yes 10:01 xyz|imaginary fixes like this are impossible the other way 10:01 VanessaE it if weren't incompatible, I'd be all over it. 10:01 xyz|imaginary and it seems that here no one likes changes 10:01 Megaf xyz|imaginary, Connecting to server 10:02 xyz|imaginary they tend to believe they can fix whatever we have now and implement TCP too 10:02 xyz|imaginary so everything will be fast AND compatible 10:02 JamesTait VanessaE, I've found my ability to function has depended less on getting "enough" sleep and more on getting "just the right amount" - I've felt terrible after getting 10 hours' sleep, but perfectly fine afer getting 4.5 hours. I've seen people do crazy things with their sleep patterns, and find it intriguing. :) 10:02 xyz|imaginary but that's not going to happen 10:02 VanessaE thexyz: right, and what we have now imho is not fixable, hence my calling it media_FUBAR :) 10:02 Megaf xyz|imaginary, is your server down? 10:02 VanessaE (though it applies to more than just media) 10:03 xyz|imaginary Megaf: let me check it 10:03 VanessaE JamesTait: my "sweet" spot is about 8 1/2 hours, ending with the sun waking me up when possible. 10:03 xyz|imaginary VanessaE: the issue with media is not the problem 10:03 VanessaE (that is, without an alarm) 10:03 xyz|imaginary the problem is that the protocol is shit 10:03 VanessaE thexyz: I know. 10:03 xyz|imaginary or so it seems 10:03 VanessaE xyz|imaginary: ^^ 10:03 xyz|imaginary in order to fix it we either need to fix it or just replace it 10:03 JamesTait VanessaE, yes, the sun is the best alarm clock. :) 10:04 Megaf xyz|imaginary, not connecting 10:04 VanessaE xyz|imaginary: I just call it that because that's the main Achilles's heel for me in particular. 10:04 VanessaE media goes out via the old code, everything else locks up. hence, media_FUBAR. 10:04 xyz|imaginary Megaf: patience 10:04 VanessaE I am well aware that there's way more to it than that. 10:05 Megaf I though that was supposed to be mega fast xyz|imaginary 10:05 Megaf you are a liar 10:05 VanessaE be nice, Megaf 10:06 VanessaE Megaf: did you connect with the right client? as in clone and build precisely the branch you need to for that test? 10:06 Megaf I have when people like proller and xyz|imaginary keep saying the have done a better client/server, ultra fast, and when we go to take a look for real its worse than minetest or it doesnt even work 10:07 Megaf I git cloned this https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer/tree/enet 10:07 VanessaE did you also git checkout enet? 10:07 VanessaE cloning isn't enough. 10:07 Megaf oh dear 10:07 VanessaE you have to switch branches after you clone, too 10:07 Megaf nobody said that 10:07 VanessaE git usage FAIL. 10:07 Megaf I told you I don't know git 10:08 xyz|imaginary ah shit i forgot i can't connect anywhere because all ports are closed 10:08 xyz|imaginary Megaf: also please update it, i've just pushed some changes 10:08 Megaf xyz|imaginary, I just did that 10:08 Megaf about 4 secons ago 10:09 xyz|imaginary Megaf: I hate when people can't use git and blame us 10:09 Megaf compiling now 10:09 xyz|imaginary please don't do that 10:09 Megaf xyz|imaginary, So do I! 10:09 VanessaE switch branches, update, then do a full cmake/make like usual. 10:09 xyz|imaginary otherwise I'll be very upset 10:09 VanessaE yeah, kick his ass ;) 10:10 Megaf xyz|imaginary, I have less than an hour to get ready to work and go on foot to work and I'm here testing your branch 10:10 xyz|imaginary then don't if you have no time 10:10 Megaf VanessaE, ok, step by step, what shoud I do? 10:11 Megaf VanessaE, git clone thing 10:11 VanessaE Megaf: you're already doing it. 10:11 Megaf then git checkout 10:11 Megaf than git what? 10:11 xyz|imaginary then cmake then make 10:11 VanessaE git checkout and then cmake/make like you usually do. 10:11 VanessaE like I said, you're already doing it 10:12 Megaf 08:10:30: ERROR[main]: /home/megaf/freeminer/bin/../builtin/mainmenu.lua: 10:12 Megaf 08:10:30: ERROR[main]: /home/megaf/freeminer/bin/../builtin/mainmenu.lua:260: attempt to call field 'get_texturepath_share' (a nil value) 10:12 Megaf I think I did something wrong 10:13 xyz|imaginary yes 10:13 Megaf $ git clone https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer.git 10:14 Megaf $ git checkout enet 10:14 Megaf now git pull, right? 10:14 Megaf or just cmake? 10:14 Megaf I mean 10:14 Megaf $ git clone https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer.git 10:14 Megaf $ cd freeminer/ 10:14 Megaf $ git checkout enet 10:15 VanessaE cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 and whatever other options you need 10:15 VanessaE make -j2 etc etc 10:15 Megaf VanessaE, without git pull? 10:15 VanessaE same crap you usually use when you test an experimental build 10:15 VanessaE you already pulled "seconds ago", 10:16 Megaf people need to learn to be direct and objective 10:16 xyz|imaginary lol 10:16 xyz|imaginary no way i'm asking for help next time 10:16 VanessaE I'm not direct? 10:16 VanessaE O.o 10:16 Megaf No, you are not 10:16 proller + git submodule update --init --recursive 10:16 xyz|imaginary meh but then people will bitch that nothing's being developed 10:16 xyz|imaginary uhh this is so hard 10:17 Megaf xyz|imaginary, wow, you changed the menu? 10:18 Megaf heh, the media part is always slow 10:19 xyz|imaginary there's 10 mb of media; i think about increasing it to 100 10:19 xyz|imaginary to test stuffs 10:19 Megaf xyz|imaginary, why you no online?? 10:19 xyz|imaginary but on my home connection I was able to download everything in 15 seconds 10:19 xyz|imaginary Megaf: because all ports are blocked here 10:19 xyz|imaginary (uni) 10:19 xyz|imaginary aaanyway, is it fast? 10:20 Megaf why freeminer doesst show FPS? 10:20 xyz|imaginary i'm talking about network stuff, not fps 10:20 xyz|imaginary i think you should activate debug mode to show fps 10:20 Megaf it shows on F5 10:21 Megaf xyz|imaginary, as fast as mine with no players on in the begining of the server 10:21 Megaf so, its really fast 10:21 xyz|imaginary well i was talking about network stuff 10:22 xyz|imaginary so this is not really helpful; how long did it take to load the media? 10:22 Megaf however > 300% of jitter 10:22 Megaf xyz|imaginary, about a minute or two to get media 10:22 xyz|imaginary what's your connection speed? 10:22 xyz|imaginary and location 10:22 Megaf 10 mbps 10:23 Megaf 08:22:57: INFO[main]: Audio: Deinitialized. 10:23 Megaf Segmentation fault 10:23 xyz|imaginary hmm.. well i guess it's fine 10:23 Megaf when exiting to menu 10:23 xyz|imaginary ah, i'll look into it 10:24 xyz|imaginary have to go, bye 10:29 Megaf one thing I really like is that it seems it really cached media 10:29 Megaf second time I connected to it was pretty damn fast 10:31 thexyz minetest does that too 10:31 Megaf nope 10:32 Megaf not that much 10:32 Megaf thexyz, well, making changes to the code and forking and making it fast is easy 10:32 thexyz no, exactly that much 10:32 thexyz lol 10:32 Megaf now I want to see those improvements go back to minetest 10:33 Megaf that's the hard part 10:33 thexyz it's easy? 10:33 thexyz wow 10:33 thexyz shit 10:33 thexyz i can't even believe someone can say that 10:33 thexyz anyway 10:33 Megaf thexyz, easier than make minetest people accept your changes 10:33 Megaf thexyz, that's how hard it seems 10:33 thexyz if you see improvement that's only because the protocol sucked before 10:34 thexyz no, accepting change like that is impossible 10:34 Megaf proller said he had to wait 6 months for a pull request 10:34 VanessaE figurative. 10:35 thexyz well that's why there's a fork 10:35 arsdragonfly http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/ 10:35 thexyz perhaps i shouldn't even bother anymore 10:35 arsdragonfly !title 10:35 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: Acoustic cryptanalysis 10:36 Megaf also, you need to fix shaders on opensource radeon driver 10:37 thexyz i? 10:37 thexyz why me? 10:37 Megaf That's one thing I don't like in English, "you", same word for plural and singular 10:38 Megaf also, you (minetest core developers) need to fix shaders on opensource radeon driver 10:38 thexyz yeah sure 10:38 thexyz ask rba 10:41 Megaf each time I connect to my server I have to wait for the world to load 10:41 Megaf then it should be cached already 10:48 Megaf Ok. See you soon 10:54 rubenwardy Spammer: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=8640 10:54 rubenwardy Done 7 spam posts 10:54 rubenwardy ie: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8051 10:54 VanessaE *banhammer* 10:54 rubenwardy VanessaE, sfan5, thexyz, 10:54 rubenwardy ok 10:55 VanessaE spam? what spam? ;) 11:16 thexyz aww tell him that he has to wait for world to load only because the current protocol is slow 11:37 raffahacks Hi megaf 11:37 MegafAtWork Hi raffahacks 11:37 raffahacks Did u have success 11:41 raffahacks With minetest mac 11:44 MegafAtWork raffahacks, I'm giving a time for that, to much stuff to do 11:50 raffahacks Understand 12:26 sfan5 xyz|imaginary: it was probably my internet 12:28 MegafAtWork Ok, rebooting and going from Debian Wheezy to OS X Mavericks 12:28 MegafAtWork see you soon 12:28 VanessaE bbl, bedtime 12:28 * VanessaE risks suspending her computer :) 12:29 VanessaE eet werks! 12:30 VanessaE :D 12:30 VanessaE night all 12:32 Megaf Hi there 12:43 Megaf Thats weird 12:43 Megaf x$ ./configure --enable-shared --enable-static 12:43 Megaf -bash: ./configure: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 12:44 Megaf trying to compile libjpeg on mac 13:12 Megaf !seen jpenguin 13:12 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen jpenguin around. 13:13 thexyz Megaf: run `file configure` 13:14 Megaf configure: POSIX shell script text executable 13:17 E4xoi ^M 13:17 E4xoi convert it to \n? 13:23 thexyz hm.. for some reason my brain thinks this is related to cr lf issue 13:23 thexyz anyway 13:24 thexyz we're having a party at xyz.is:30000 with bots so please join if you have time! 13:24 E4xoi brb ddosing w/ botnet 13:24 thexyz those bots are useless 13:24 thexyz they only die 13:25 thexyz and flood the spawn with dieboxes 13:25 Megaf man, I just can't compile this on Mac 13:26 Megaf This guy done that once https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2011 13:28 thexyz all those bots do is die and disconnect 13:29 thexyz in any case, the game was playable at 30 clients i think 13:30 thexyz which is not many 13:30 thexyz but for Minetest that's a great achievement 13:37 troller 38 reached! 13:58 Megaf well, I got libjpeg compiled 13:58 Megaf the configure was edited on windows my someone who dont understand anything about computers 13:58 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 13:59 Megaf Hi PilzAdam 14:00 Peacock ben law' batlhmey SoH, 'ej tuqwIj 14:00 Peacock (no im not drunk, it's klingon) :P 14:01 thexyz still no lag! 14:01 Megaf $ ./minetestmapper.py -i ../worlds/world/ -o test.png 14:01 Megaf Result image (w=3008 h=3008) will be written to test.png 14:01 Megaf Processing sector 200 of 32012 (0.6%) (ETA: 19m 5s) 14:01 Peacock watch that ETA jump to two hours and back :p 14:02 Megaf Peacock, bad thing is this is using only a single core 14:02 thexyz this shouldn't be that hard to parallel 14:02 thexyz just divide it into regions 14:02 thexyz and only draw those regions, and then combine 14:02 Peacock ee gads, compiling minetest on my monocore (p4) takes about 20-30 minutes 14:03 Peacock the new tower, about 5 mins or less lol 14:03 thexyz > not using distcc with your powerful dual-cpu xeon mobo 14:03 Megaf Gonna have lunch now, cya 14:04 thexyz lol 14:05 Peacock liquid lunch i see :P 14:08 MegafHavingLunch Processing sector 10400 of 32012 (32.5%) (ETA: 15m 7s) 14:08 MegafHavingLunch Actually I'm cooking it 14:08 MegafHavingLunch It will be a quick one 14:08 MegafHavingLunch fried eggs with sushi rice 14:08 thexyz you shouldn't eat at your pc 14:13 MegafHavingLunch thexyz, worry not, I'm not eating near my keyboard 14:13 MegafHavingLunch I have a table at my side 14:13 MegafHavingLunch Processing sector 15200 of 32012 (47.5%) (ETA: 13m 51s) 14:13 MegafHavingLunch This rice is delicious 14:14 MegafHavingLunch so are the eggs 14:14 MegafHavingLunch I'm a good cook 14:55 arsdragonfly thexyz where's your enet repo? 14:55 thexyz arsdragonfly: https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch enet 14:56 arsdragonfly k thx 14:56 arsdragonfly gonna give it a try :-P 14:56 thexyz sure 14:56 thexyz xyz.is:30000 welcomes you 14:57 thexyz although the party is over 14:58 w_laenger !up xyz.is 30000 14:59 MinetestBot xyz.is:30000 seems to be down 14:59 thexyz of course it'll say it's down 15:04 * zsoltisawesome is quite depressed 15:04 * zsoltisawesome puts a kitten on sfan5's head 15:05 Peacock depressed? dont they have off-licenses where you're from? 15:05 zsoltisawesome what? 15:05 Peacock liquor stores :P 15:05 zsoltisawesome oh XD 15:05 zsoltisawesome yes, very much so 15:05 Peacock bars and restaurants have licenses, a liquor store is an off-license :P 15:06 FreeFull I think a /suicide or /spawn command should be part of vanilla minetest 15:06 zsoltisawesome ya 15:06 troller FM already have /die 15:06 zsoltisawesome i made a command to heal, but you can only use if you are in Semi-Creative 15:07 * arsdragonfly wishes he could fetch the media faster than cloning the repo 15:07 arsdragonfly ~20kb/s :-( 15:07 zsoltisawesome Enable damage & Creative mode, for all you that don't know that 15:07 zsoltisawesome woah 15:07 zsoltisawesome thats pretty slow 15:08 thexyz arsdragonfly: you can just download a zipball from github 15:08 Peacock 20kbps... suddenly, faxmodems and napster lol 15:08 thexyz without git history if you don't need it 15:08 thexyz also the specified server has 10 mb of media 15:08 zsoltisawesome git is annoying 15:09 thexyz it's not 15:09 thexyz it also has an option for depth 15:09 arsdragonfly usually i connect to a server before going to lunch/dinner 15:10 zsoltisawesome lol, and when you come back its finnaly done? 15:10 Peacock lol 15:10 arsdragonfly lol maybe 15:10 zsoltisawesome lol 15:10 thexyz lol 15:11 Peacock well when this thing started out people didn't have a hundred mods and 256x256 textures, shit sure loaded faster :P 15:11 thexyz enet is fast 15:11 troller 41 ppl online on sky! 15:11 Peacock so i read but they're still not sure if they wanna do that or tcp/udp 15:12 Peacock ive been hearing about tcp for as long as i've been here and ittl probably take another 3 years to get it done :P so i'd go with enet 15:12 thexyz well apparently celeron55 has agreed at first that enet is fine 15:13 thexyz but then some other people told him "why not just use tcp" and we switched to it 15:13 thexyz to tcp+udp or so it seems 15:13 thexyz well good luck, what else can I say 15:13 Peacock like i said, people have been saying to use TCP for nigh on two years, and it's still not done 15:13 thexyz maybe it'll be done this time 15:13 zsoltisawesome what do you all think of this? ----> http://www.spawnapps.com 15:13 thexyz i mean, adding enet is another dependency, this is unacceptable 15:14 thexyz it's easier to fix current udp stack, isn't it? 15:14 thexyz and we'll get compatible protocol which is what everybody wants 15:14 arsdragonfly troller: and tons of guest users 15:14 Peacock well with 0.5.x around the corner compatibility will probably still be an issue then 15:15 thexyz dunno 15:15 thexyz they want to do tcp + udp 15:15 thexyz we (freeminer) want to do something doable 15:15 thexyz or at least I do 15:15 Peacock unless there are no big changes planned for 0.5.x, but that would suck lol 15:15 thexyz plus protocol probably will be changed in the fork anyway 15:15 thexyz to support easier extension 15:16 Peacock future-proofing is always good 15:16 zsoltisawesome who wrote the AlternativeTo thing on Minetest? 15:16 zsoltisawesome http://alternativeto.net/software/minetest-c55/ 15:17 Peacock top likes Minecraft and Blockscape 15:17 Peacock dunno who created that page tho, they seem to do it for all games 15:18 Peacock well, that was a waste of time, klingon font won't load with css3 :( 15:19 thexyz -c55 15:20 thexyz must be an old page 15:20 thexyz > Haix half a girl goddess who fight to save their world, which suffers from the ambitious plans of the moon goddess, who jealous of the sun god try to exterminate the human race, to regain the attention of the... 15:20 MegafHavingLunch sfan5, can you change the name to Minetest_WorldEdit? https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit 15:22 thexyz why? 15:22 troller arsdragonfly, but it works without lbig lag 15:23 MegafHavingLunch because minetest wont accept "-" in mods names 15:23 thexyz lol 15:23 thexyz please break all existing clones because i'm too lazy to type `git clone [..] minetest_worldedit` 15:23 zsoltisawesome LOL MegafHavingLunch 15:23 thexyz please sfan5 15:23 thexyz do eet 15:24 zsoltisawesome thexyz: did you just type what you were too lazy to type? 15:24 thexyz eh 15:24 thexyz that was a quote 15:24 MegafHavingLunch lol 15:25 MegafHavingLunch I didint know I could do that 15:25 MegafHavingLunch lol 15:26 Peacock i'll be damned "Supreme Court declares Canada’s anti-prostitution laws unconstitutional in landmark ruling" 15:28 zsoltisawesome damn twitter 15:31 arsdragonfly oooops 15:31 arsdragonfly thexyz : RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 144.76.218.101:30000(t/o=3): from_peer_id=0, channel=0, seqnum=65500 15:31 thexyz what is that? 15:31 thexyz i think i said to use the `enet` branch 15:31 arsdragonfly ^ repeatedly appeared in the verbose log 15:32 arsdragonfly oh hell 15:32 arsdragonfly i forgot that 15:43 zsoltisawesome and, silence.......... 15:44 arsdragonfly lol item and node definitions are loaded incredibly fast 15:45 arsdragonfly thexyz: 02:05 to load the media 15:46 arsdragonfly that's really AWESOME 15:47 zsoltisawesome guys http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Derpy#Charity_auction 15:48 blubblubb >2011 15:50 Peacock Good lord another snowstorm lol 15:50 * zsoltisawesome puts Derpy Hooves on Jordach's head 15:51 Peacock jordach's not allowed around animals, something about an inappropriate petting incident... :P 15:51 Jordach you've made that joke before 15:52 arsdragonfly so far everything goes swiftly like a singleplayer game 15:52 arsdragonfly btw check out my mod 15:52 arsdragonfly https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7253 15:53 arsdragonfly gtg, cya 15:53 Peacock well twice isn't so bad when you compare how often people make the same complaints about :P 15:54 thexyz arsdragonfly: that's nice 15:54 thexyz eh 15:54 thexyz although 2 minutes to load 10 mb isn't incredibly fast I know nothing about his connection 15:55 thexyz and that's definitely better than \inf 15:57 phantombeta Hi 16:01 raffahacks Hi pilzadam 16:01 raffahacks Can you tell me please how to build a portal 16:02 PilzAdam raffahacks, have you read https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5790 ? 16:02 Peacock using particle accelerators it is possible to create a quantum singularity, though where it leads, no one knows 16:03 zsoltisawesome raffahacks: good to see you again! 16:03 raffahacks Hi! 16:04 zsoltisawesome i got a twitther 16:05 raffahacks Sorry chatting with an old phone which cannot chat and see Web pages at the same moment 16:05 raffahacks Which is ur nick 16:05 zsoltisawesome @RealTinyMonster 16:05 zsoltisawesome :D 16:06 raffahacks Thanks follow 16:06 zsoltisawesome welcome 16:06 raffahacks Will follow u 16:06 zsoltisawesome ok 16:07 raffahacks I build a 4x3 portal and ignited with mese quartz 16:07 raffahacks But doesnt work 16:07 PilzAdam 4x3? 16:08 zsoltisawesome its supposed to be like 5x4 16:08 raffahacks Also tried with 6x4 (portal area) 16:08 raffahacks 5x4? Try 16:09 PilzAdam make sure you dont try to what you can see in the screenshots 16:09 raffahacks Why 16:09 MegafAtWork Almost there compiling Minetest for Mac OS X 16:09 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71946/ 16:09 raffahacks Thanx! 16:10 raffahacks Does it work? 16:11 MegafAtWork raffahacks: I can't compile it yet 16:11 MegafAtWork not easy 16:11 raffahacks Whats the matter? 16:12 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71946/ 16:12 raffahacks Cannot see urls with my old device, sorry 16:13 zsoltisawesome summary: -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred! 16:13 zsoltisawesome See also "/Users/reglnx/minetest/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log". 16:13 Jordach :o 16:13 Jordach REALLY?! 16:13 raffahacks Thanks 16:14 zsoltisawesome welcome 16:18 raffahacks Did someone think about a minetest android? 16:18 raffahacks Or, maybe, a Minetest pocket 16:18 Jordach it was illegal (the one in the play store) 16:18 zsoltisawesome ya, a bunch of people did 16:18 raffahacks With reduced functions 16:19 raffahacks Which one was illegal 16:19 Jordach all the minetest based ones 16:19 raffahacks And which bunch of people did? :) 16:20 Jordach we don't know 16:20 raffahacks Are there any mt based games on play store 16:20 Jordach no 16:22 raffahacks A bunch of people... Who? 16:23 raffahacks Sorry escaped did you say anyth 16:25 thexyz the one I'm doing is not illegal 16:25 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: CMake Error at cmake/Modules/FindOpenGLES2.cmake:44 (create_search_paths): 16:25 MegafAtWork How do I disable that? 16:26 thexyz just comment this call in src/cmakelists.txt 16:26 thexyz you don't need opengles on a mac anyway 16:27 thexyz i'm not sure why wouldn't it work though; perhaps you have an ancient cmake? 16:27 MegafAtWork someone had the same problem a couple of months ago http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-05-10 16:27 MegafAtWork thexyz: I got the latest from its site 16:27 thexyz what's its version? 16:27 thexyz maybe it's too new then 16:28 thexyz ah well I see 16:28 thexyz kahrl seems to know what caused it then 16:28 MegafAtWork thexyz: How do I comment that? 16:28 MegafAtWork #? 16:28 thexyz eh 16:28 MegafAtWork or /* 16:28 MegafAtWork or @ 16:29 thexyz why not try both instead of asking me? why not look at the file? there are comments everywhere 16:29 MegafAtWork not everywhere 16:29 MegafAtWork it took me some time to find some 16:29 thexyz and in the end you can just delete it 16:29 thexyz but it's too easy to highlight me, right? 16:30 MegafAtWork Sure 16:30 MegafAtWork well, Only one error left 16:30 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71951/ 16:31 MegafAtWork CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:171 (install): 16:31 MegafAtWork install FILES given no DESTINATION! 16:34 MegafAtWork I don't know how to fix that 16:34 PilzAdam what is that line your file? 16:35 MegafAtWork find_package(Sqlite3 REQUIRED) 16:35 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: So I have to get sqlite 16:35 MegafAtWork I think 16:35 OWNSyouAll MegafAtWork, do you have sqlite installed? 16:35 MegafAtWork OWNSyouAll: It's not Linux :P 16:35 PilzAdam that doesnt make any sense 16:36 PilzAdam recheck if the line number and file is correct 16:37 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: That's the 171 line of src/CMakeLists.txt 16:38 MegafAtWork according to nano editor 16:38 PilzAdam there are other CMakeLists.txt 16:39 thexyz it's a root cmakelists.txt 16:39 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: install(FILES "misc/minetest.desktop" DESTINATION "${XDG_APPS_DIR}") 16:40 MegafAtWork I think I can just comment that out 16:41 PilzAdam it seems like there is no XDG_APPS_DIR on mac 16:41 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: theres no such a .desktop thing either 16:41 Jordach crapple shits on standards and forces others to use their own standard 16:41 nore hi all 16:42 MegafAtWork hi nore 16:42 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Aint I safe to comment that? 16:42 PilzAdam dunno 16:42 PilzAdam I guess thats the launch icon or so 16:43 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: It is cmaked!! http://paste.debian.net/71953/ 16:43 MegafAtWork But, will it blend? I mean, compile? 16:43 PilzAdam now make and get thousands of errors 16:44 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: yep 16:44 MegafAtWork quite a lot 16:44 PilzAdam do you know enough c++ to fix them? 16:44 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: http://paste.debian.net/71954/ 16:45 thexyz that's just a warning 16:45 thexyz why would it not compile? 16:45 PilzAdam "1 warning and 1 error generated." 16:45 MegafAtWork In file included from /Users/reglnx/minetest/src/util/container.h:27: 16:45 MegafAtWork clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ts); 16:46 MegafAtWork In file included from /Users/reglnx/minetest/src/util/container.h:27: 16:46 MegafAtWork clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ts); 16:46 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, use a pastebin 16:46 MegafAtWork Thats the two errors I think 16:46 MegafAtWork uh, theres more 16:46 MegafAtWork hold on 16:46 * Leoneof wishes to have minetest with 60fps 16:46 thexyz it's not that hard to just pastebin everything is it 16:47 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Heres the whole thing http://paste.debian.net/71955/ 16:47 MegafAtWork Leoneof: Thats easy, I limited mine in 28 FPS and set 25 as ideal 16:48 MegafAtWork just turn shader, smooth lightening and other shit off 16:48 PilzAdam http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5167269/clock-gettime-alternative-in-mac-os-x 16:48 thexyz sfan5: can you please build my enet branch for windows? 16:49 thexyz sfan5: though wait a bit 16:51 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, try https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/8057716 16:53 MegafAtWork how do I use diff? 16:54 PilzAdam wget https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/8057716/raw/85c2e8731e38284771940d69e3a262937edfdcdb/gistfile1.diff && git apply gistfile1.diff 16:54 PilzAdam (in the root minetest dir) 16:54 thexyz sfan5: okay, it's ready now 16:54 PilzAdam eh, does Mac have wget? 16:54 thexyz sfan5: please make a windows build if you have time 16:54 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: k 16:55 MegafAtWork $ git apply gistfile1.diff 16:55 MegafAtWork fatal: corrupt patch at line 23 16:56 PilzAdam add a space and a tab in that line 16:56 MegafAtWork I will do by hand 16:56 PilzAdam (forgot to copy that into the gist) 16:57 MegafAtWork error: patch failed: src/porting.h:213 16:57 MegafAtWork error: src/porting.h: patch does not apply 16:59 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Can I change that by hand? 16:59 PilzAdam sure 17:05 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, .... and? 17:05 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71966/ 17:05 MegafAtWork is this right? 17:05 MegafAtWork Ops, */ 17:06 PilzAdam try it! 17:06 MegafAtWork Ok, hold tight 17:07 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: nope, that gonna take a long time to fix 17:07 thexyz lol that's not how you port shit 17:07 thexyz if something doesn't work 17:07 thexyz then just fuckit 17:07 thexyz so just replace the whole function with `return 0` 17:07 thexyz still doesn't work? 17:07 thexyz fuckit even more! 17:07 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71968/ 17:07 PilzAdam thexyz, well, its better to properly fix it, isnt it? 17:07 thexyz after you've managed to run it 17:07 thexyz you do what he said 17:08 * MegafAtWork agrees with PilzAdam 17:08 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, these 4 lines: https://gist.github.com/jbenet/1087739#file-current_utc_time-c-L11 17:08 PilzAdam at them to the includes 17:08 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Would you like Mac VPS? 17:08 thexyz the problem is that now it's just a waste of time 17:08 thexyz because in the end something else will epicly fail anyway 17:08 zsoltisawesome i would 17:08 thexyz and you won't get your precious mac port 17:08 PilzAdam thexyz, its a fun way to waste time 17:08 thexyz so why spend time properly fixing stuff? 17:09 thexyz well if your time costs nothing then for sure 17:09 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: I agree again 17:09 thexyz just waste it on useless crap 17:09 MegafAtWork And its a good way to learn too 17:09 PilzAdam also we could merge that to upstream, so its easier for future builders 17:09 MegafAtWork we learned a lot already 17:09 thexyz you can't just merge it if you can't test it 17:09 zsoltisawesome thexyz: this IS useless crap 17:09 thexyz and you won't be able to test it if you fail to compile it and run 17:09 thexyz anyway, have fun 17:10 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: In what file? 17:10 PilzAdam porting.h 17:10 MegafAtWork same one? 17:11 MegafAtWork isn't there another file that is included by everything else? 17:11 PilzAdam put it at line 191 or so 17:14 zsoltisawesome http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpsujs1pzV1qik6c3o1_500.jpg 17:14 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: That was ugly 17:14 thexyz > stupid "funny" pony meme pic 17:14 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, hm? 17:15 rubenwardy Hi all 17:15 zsoltisawesome hi ruben 17:16 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: http://paste.debian.net/71971/ 17:16 zsoltisawesome MegafAtWork: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpreaadjye1qik6c3o1_1280.jpg 17:16 E4xoi thexyz: that comment is 0.5DOGE worth 17:17 thexyz E4xoi: i don't have a doge wallet 17:17 E4xoi :( 17:17 thexyz seriously that pony community is the worst 17:17 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, wat? 17:17 E4xoi doge is the future, wow; to the moon! 17:17 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, what have you done? 17:17 zsoltisawesome very currency 17:17 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: I think we can't fix that 17:18 MegafAtWork oh dear 17:18 MegafAtWork hold on 17:18 rubenwardy If I kill myself, it will be because I was mentally damaged by those pictures, zsoltisawesome. 17:18 rubenwardy :P 17:18 rubenwardy I dont get bronies 17:19 rubenwardy Why have horses, when you can have unicorns? 17:19 zsoltisawesome rubenwardy: hehe 17:19 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: I did this http://paste.debian.net/71972/ 17:19 thexyz no please no unicorns 17:19 thexyz we need our github working 17:20 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, ...... add it to line 191, you cant include inside of functions 17:20 thexyz lol 17:20 thexyz seriously, why doesn't this work? 17:20 * MegafAtWork needs to remember C++ 17:20 thexyz we both know this is wrong; you can include anywhere 17:20 PilzAdam s/remember/learn/ 17:20 thexyz the preprocessor doesn't care 17:20 zsoltisawesome rubenwardy: why have one when you can have TWO! http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130331174759/poohadventures/images/b/bf/Princess_Twilight_Sparkle.png 17:20 PilzAdam thexyz, well, we both know what I mean 17:21 thexyz http://simg.gelbooru.com//images/1889/23e1b291feccba4f8880bb1f536c2b33.jpg?2100279 17:21 thexyz getting on my nerves 17:21 thexyz PilzAdam: yeah, but that could confuse people who, ahem, don't know the language 17:21 zsoltisawesome hmm 17:21 thexyz (i don't have time to search for pics so i'll just repost them) 17:21 zsoltisawesome thexyz: what a pretty picture.... 17:21 PilzAdam yea, always explaining everything with all details and exceptions is the best way to teach things 17:22 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: like this? http://paste.debian.net/71973/ 17:22 PilzAdam yes! 17:23 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: then we got this http://paste.debian.net/71975/ 17:24 PilzAdam replace -> with a . 17:24 PilzAdam (in the gist I took this from it was a pointer) 17:25 rubenwardy hmm 17:25 zsoltisawesome #minetest-dev anyone? 17:25 E4xoi you should mine DOGE and buy a Mac w/ it 17:26 E4xoi ^ PilzAdam 17:26 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: what do you mean? 17:26 PilzAdam ts.tv_sec instead of ts->tv_sec 17:26 zsoltisawesome ts->tv_nsec to ts.tv_nsec 17:26 PilzAdam same for both lines 17:26 thexyz rubenwardy: http://simg.gelbooru.com//samples/1759/sample_349be2df1869d770f70708b426cc9839.jpg?1971092 17:26 rubenwardy I am not going to click that 17:27 thexyz why? 17:27 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Ok, I get it 17:27 thexyz that's not some shitty ponyshit 17:27 zsoltisawesome lol 17:27 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: like ts->tv to ts.tv 17:27 zsoltisawesome its a wierd person with a barcode on their arm 17:27 thexyz i mean, they aren't even trying to draw them 17:27 PilzAdam thexyz, its shitty animeshit 17:27 zsoltisawesome lol 17:27 thexyz but anime is technology 17:28 zsoltisawesome s/technology/shit 17:28 MegafAtWork 15% 17:28 E4xoi you're shit :( 17:28 MegafAtWork 18% 17:28 MegafAtWork 25% PilzAdam ! 17:28 E4xoi 26.01%! 17:29 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, ping me at 100& 17:29 MegafAtWork 35% 17:29 PilzAdam *% 17:29 thexyz zsoltisawesome: so technology is shit? 17:29 thexyz don't deny it 17:29 thexyz you're using the technology right now 17:29 PilzAdam thexyz, no, technology is replaced by shit 17:29 zsoltisawesome lol 17:29 PilzAdam (see Apple) 17:29 thexyz and? 17:29 zsoltisawesome lol 17:29 PilzAdam what and? Im just saying random things 17:30 thexyz "i'm just shitting words" 17:31 thexyz then don't expect anyone to treat you seriously 17:31 zsoltisawesome s/words/insults 17:32 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Error at 97% 17:32 thexyz that's not how sed works, you also need to add trailing / 17:32 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71980/ 17:32 thexyz but let's say it's sed with irc patches! 17:32 MegafAtWork I have to work now, brb 17:33 thexyz i wonder where he works 17:33 thexyz anyway, just remove this linker flag 17:35 MegafAtWork thexyz: ZARA 17:35 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, dunno... 17:36 MegafAtWork or maybe Nike 17:36 MegafAtWork lol 17:36 zsoltisawesome MegafAtWork: da clothing company? 17:36 MegafAtWork zsoltisawesome: Nope, I work for Microsoft 17:37 MegafAtWork nah, just kidding, Im not talking where I work 17:38 thexyz why not? 17:39 zsoltisawesome Hi NekoGloop 17:41 zsoltisawesome ORANGE JOUSE 17:42 zsoltisawesome MegafAtWork: So you are compiling MT for Mac at work? 17:42 MegafAtWork yep 17:43 MegafAtWork Im working on my work desktop and my personal mac is by my side 17:45 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, try what thexyz suggested 17:46 MegafAtWork I will, just let me finish some work I have due 17:46 zsoltisawesome lol 17:49 thexyz sfan5: here's the bribe http://simg.gelbooru.com//samples/937/sample_bdcb4ae97dc8844a0de141a0f1b498bd.jpg?1136847 17:49 thexyz sfan5: IS still shit though 18:03 MegafAtWork Im almost ready with my work 18:05 MegafAtWork thexyz: Remove where? 18:06 thexyz dunno 18:06 PilzAdam it would be nice to know what fails to link 18:07 PilzAdam "use -v to see invocation" 18:08 MegafAtWork I can't believe we gonna fail so close to the end http://paste.debian.net/71986/ 18:08 MegafAtWork hold on 18:09 MegafAtWork is this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search?q=lrt&ref=cmdform ? 18:09 thexyz getting it to compile is not the end 18:09 thexyz I mean, if you fail to get it to compile then you shouldn't even try to port it 18:09 thexyz also I dunno really, maybe we do use some functions from this library 18:09 thexyz or some other dependency does 18:10 MegafAtWork https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search?q=lrt&ref=cmdform Perhaps I could just change flags 18:10 thexyz it won't hurt to try 18:12 MegafAtWork well, I just removed the -lrt 18:13 MegafAtWork it compiled 18:13 MegafAtWork will it run? 18:13 MegafAtWork nope 18:13 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71988/ 18:14 MegafAtWork It missed the bus 18:15 PilzAdam "STATIC_SHAREDIR=/usr/local/share/minetest" that seems wrong to me 18:16 zsoltisawesome MegafAtWork: Hahahaha LOL'd so hard 18:17 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: you think so? lol 18:17 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, see lines 73 and following in CMakelists.txt (in the root dir) 18:18 zsoltisawesome !seen lordcirth 18:18 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest 18:19 zsoltisawesome Jordach: Your Gen 5 IS awesome 18:20 thexyz and now the really interesting stuff begins 18:21 thexyz first, compile a debug build; then run it in gdb 18:21 thexyz (although I'd recomment cgdb) 18:21 thexyz recommend 18:26 thexyz no? 18:28 * zsoltisawesome puts Derpy Hooves on Calinou's head 18:29 * zsoltisawesome hugs http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130331174759/poohadventures/images/b/bf/Princess_Twilight_Sparkle.png 18:29 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8053 do you think we should tell him? 18:29 zsoltisawesome yes 18:29 thexyz http://simg.gelbooru.com//samples/1888/sample_405fd907dc8d4fdab7cfcdec2e523f8d.jpg?2100053 18:30 thexyz nah, I can't do that 18:30 zsoltisawesome why is she reading a book 18:32 thexyz I.. don't know? 18:36 Calinou happy 3rd birthday, Minecraft beta 1.0 and Warsow 0.6 18:43 zsoltisawesome yay! 18:43 zsoltisawesome wait, MC? 18:43 zsoltisawesome no way 18:45 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: 18:45 MegafAtWork else() 18:45 MegafAtWork set(SHAREDIR "${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/${PROJECT_NAME}") 18:46 MegafAtWork Going home, brb 18:50 Microchip hello, Vanessa 18:51 Microchip gtg 18:52 VanessaE hi 19:05 thexyz a daily reminder that buildcraft + its other versions already have about 160k installs 19:06 zsoltisawesome wahts buildcraft? 19:07 E4xoi if you take MT code, get it working for android and close its source code, you get a fresh buildcrash 19:07 E4xoi too many ADS btw, if they just had some on the main menu.. 19:08 MegafHavingLunch Back 19:09 E4xoi wb 19:09 zsoltisawesome why _Megaf? 19:10 _Megaf Why what? 19:10 _Megaf you mean, the underline? 19:11 thexyz too much C 19:11 _Megaf Soon I'm using the nick Megaf on my Mac 19:12 thexyz afaik names starting with _ are reserved so you shouldn't call your variables like that 19:12 thexyz that's why _Complex is _Complex, for example 19:12 thexyz until you #include 19:14 zsoltisawesome Calinou: ! 19:15 _Megaf well, today was my last day of work this year, finally I will have some time 19:16 Megaf so, How can I fix the sharedir thing? 19:17 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/71997/ 19:19 thexyz just copy everything from windows 19:22 zsoltisawesome Did that work? 19:22 _Megaf That actually makes sense 19:22 _Megaf zsoltisawesome, still compiling 19:22 zsoltisawesome ok 19:23 zsoltisawesome Megaf: Hehe, it does, doesn't it 19:23 Megaf nope 19:23 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/71998/ 19:24 PilzAdam and now run it in gdb 19:25 thexyz yes, that's what you should've done 19:25 zsoltisawesome It missed the bus again :( 19:25 thexyz instead of recompiling it once again 19:26 Megaf Ok, sorry 19:26 Megaf zsoltisawesome: Worry not, more buses are comming 19:26 Megaf is there gdb for mac? 19:27 E4xoi thexyz: __python__ 19:27 Megaf "gdb has been replaced by lldb, and is no longer supported. gcc and llvm-gcc are also gone, replaced by clang." 19:28 thexyz why can't you find stuff yourself? 19:28 zsoltisawesome stackoverflow.com/questions/8336433/gdb-on-macosx-lion‎ 19:28 zsoltisawesome thexyz: Google is evil 19:28 thexyz shitposting is worse 19:28 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/72000/ 19:29 Megaf cool, a round number 19:31 Calinou zsoltisawesome, there are search engines other than Google :) 19:31 Calinou http://startpage.com 19:31 Megaf Calinou: http://duckduckgo.com 19:32 thexyz the party is up @ xyz.is:30000 19:32 thexyz 30 bots or so 19:32 Calinou Megaf, yeah, but that's not Google results :P 19:32 Jordach thexyz, lagfest 'o clock? 19:32 thexyz it's running pretty ok 19:33 PilzAdam wtf?! 19:33 PilzAdam since when is tab meant to shut down Minetest? 19:33 Megaf What? What are you talking about? 19:34 harrison no ur! 19:34 PilzAdam !up xyz.is 30000 19:34 MinetestBot xyz.is:30000 seems to be down 19:34 thexyz meh of course this bot can't enet 19:35 kaeza greetings 19:38 harrison i insist again that i am not a bot 19:39 harrison i am a free chatter! 19:39 thexyz no one wants to party? 19:39 Jordach nobody here is interested in the bullshitty freeminer client 19:39 harrison freedom implies freedom to party 19:39 PilzAdam thexyz, noone has enet 19:39 thexyz it's easy to clone and compile 19:39 thexyz Jordach: nice joke 19:40 thexyz I think I'll ask proller to benchmark current minetest master on the same hardware 19:40 thexyz just for lulz 19:41 PilzAdam the problem is that now it's just a waste of time 19:42 thexyz hm? 19:45 specing Does anyone know which mod includes talonite? 19:48 E4xoi PilzAdam: close what where? 19:49 PilzAdam E4xoi, what? 19:50 E4xoi what closes when you press tab? and where 19:50 PilzAdam Minetest 19:50 E4xoi the lua mainmenu? 19:50 PilzAdam and inside the menu 19:50 E4xoi where exactly? it seems to be working for me 19:51 PilzAdam in the address bar in the Client tab 19:51 E4xoi works for me.. 19:52 zsoltisawesome maybe PilzAdam is using a master build? 19:53 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/vaKXUAa.png 19:54 zsoltisawesome what is freeminer? 19:54 PilzAdam what is google? 19:55 zsoltisawesome PilzAdam: please don't be an ass 19:55 thexyz zsoltisawesome: http://freeminer.org/ 19:55 PilzAdam zsoltisawesome, please dont be annyoing 19:55 thexyz is there a mod which implements quake/other-random-fps-like frag counter? 19:59 E4xoi zsoltisawesome: i'm using latest master 19:59 Jordach \o/ 19:59 * Jordach can use 16 bits 19:59 Jordach basically, i've worked out a digilines + mesecons music player 20:01 Jordach my first example is tetris 20:04 zsoltisawesome screenshot? 20:06 Jordach zsoltisawesome, i know how to build it (and code it), i just need to finish it 20:06 zsoltisawesome oh ok 20:14 zsoltisawesome https://s16-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fknowyourmeme.com%2Fmemes%2Fderp&ua=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgNi4yOyBXaW42NDsgeDY0OyBydjoxNi4wLjEpIEdlY2tvLzIwMTIxMDExIEZpcmVmb3gvMTYuMC4x&uadata=ce2bebd5a965136bdf1093b23126ff1f&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F122%2F114%2F130232443562.gif%3F13 20:14 zsoltisawesome 05073704&sp=96e59d7758e1ff8f3e7c5fe1a721ca29&f=ed87495d6afedcf7395dea4c420b32bd.jpg 20:15 VanessaE paste FAIL 20:15 VanessaE next time use tinyurl or so :) 20:15 zsoltisawesome why? 20:15 VanessaE your IRC client broke that link across two separate messages 20:15 thexyz because irc sucks 20:15 zsoltisawesome indeed 20:15 * Calinou steals Princess Twilight Sparkle from zsoltisawesome 20:15 thexyz we should switch to superior protocols 20:16 Calinou inb4 Skype 20:16 Calinou there are no superior protocols, really 20:16 thexyz that XMPP is 20:16 Calinou I've never seen any project use XMPP for coordination 20:16 thexyz why is it not superior? 20:16 thexyz it can't get popular because no one is using it; and no one is using it because it's not popular 20:17 zsoltisawesome lol 20:17 Jordach thexyz, you appear to be some retarded fuckwit who belives superior is better than the already established standard which already works for what people want 20:17 thexyz in Russia it's quite popular though 20:17 Calinou Jordach, please, don't use "retarded" as an insult. and mind your language ;) 20:17 ShadowNinja ^ 20:17 thexyz why the hell is this person an op? 20:17 Calinou everyone breaks sometimes. 20:17 Jordach thexyz, you complain at others for shitposting when you do 20:18 thexyz I think that we should remove OP status from him 20:18 Calinou thexyz, in Soviet Russia, popular is XMPP! 20:18 thexyz and perhaps moderator status too 20:18 zsoltisawesome Calinou: LOL 20:18 Calinou he does his job fine, I've never seen him abuse it 20:18 thexyz so calling other people "retarded fuckwit"'s is acceptable now 20:19 PilzAdam but he said something against freeminer! 20:19 * PilzAdam gallops away 20:19 thexyz what does this even mean 20:19 thexyz what's the point of insulting me this way if I don't even know what this means 20:19 thexyz lol 20:19 VanessaE he didn't say it under "the color of law" as we'd say here in the US so he's fine :) 20:19 Jordach if thexyz cannot take decent critique (or at least have someone oppose his thoughts), is more interested in saying x is truth, y is not 20:20 thexyz calling someone "retarded fuckwit" is decent critique since when? 20:20 VanessaE (whether you're a retarded fuckwit, which I rather doubt, is a different matter entirely) 20:20 Jordach the internet 20:20 thexyz anyway, I'll bring this issue on the -ops channel 20:21 Jordach thexyz, take your 4chan mindset elsewhere 20:21 VanessaE "But...he told me to go to HELL!" "Well, I checked the law on that and... you don't have to go." -- Robert Tyre Jones, Jr. to a client 20:21 Calinou thexyz, it's not acceptable. but don't "fire" someone immediatly for that 20:21 Jordach if none of you have learned i don't give a fuck about anyone 20:21 thexyz Calinou: let's stop this discussion here 20:22 Calinou ok :) 20:22 Calinou Jordach, calm down too... you gotta live with other people's mindsets 20:22 zsoltisawesome what wrongwith xmpp? 20:22 VanessaE Jordach: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/212/895/Principal+Creepy+I+drew+it+D+hope+you+like_37719b_303555.jpg?1323118053 20:25 zsoltisawesome and, silence.......... 20:26 zsoltisawesome do they have a mac emulator? 20:26 VanessaE does whoi? 20:26 VanessaE -i 20:27 zsoltisawesome the world 20:27 zsoltisawesome :| 20:27 VanessaE er 20:29 zsoltisawesome er wat 20:30 thexyz zsoltisawesome: I don't know; I think it's better than IRC 20:30 Calinou IRC fits our uses anyway... just don't paste very long links like that, if you need that, use an URL shortener 20:30 thexyz lol 20:31 zsoltisawesome google thinks it full of spammers 20:31 thexyz it fits our uses [...] just *don't* 20:31 thexyz perhaps then it doesn't? 20:31 thexyz just don't paste multiline messages 20:31 thexyz just don't paste long messages 20:31 Calinou you can write up to 4 lines in a row 20:31 thexyz just don't paste.. hmm... what else 20:31 Calinou clients could do it 20:31 E4xoi irc is a super-simple protocol 20:31 thexyz yes, it's another hack 20:31 Calinou you can paste pretty long messages, 4×200-characters or something 20:31 thexyz IRC consists of hacks 20:32 E4xoi lets use XMPP over IRC 20:32 zsoltisawesome hmm 20:32 Calinou if you do longer, there will be queues starting from the 5th line 20:32 thexyz we should just deprecate it 20:32 thexyz and move on 20:32 E4xoi thexyz: http://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC! 20:32 thexyz I've seen this already 20:32 thexyz but how do you connect to IRC? 20:32 Calinou we should depreacte X.org, Windows, Office and IE too 20:32 * Calinou gallops away 20:33 thexyz this is true 20:33 thexyz at least the first one 20:33 Calinou all of them :> 20:33 ShadowNinja About 8x400 characters a second. 20:33 thexyz deprecating all of them at once is impossible 20:34 Calinou the first one is almost impossible already 20:34 E4xoi thexyz: you make a config with the details and then you just run ipoirc 20:34 Calinou very few wayland/mir-compatible applications for instance :P 20:34 E4xoi systemd is the way to go 20:34 zsoltisawesome i got a 404 "http://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC!" 20:34 E4xoi remove the ! 20:35 E4xoi it is some ugly code that somehow works, :P 20:35 Calinou and useless code 20:35 E4xoi what code is useless? 20:35 thexyz E4xoi: well... if I want ip over irc then I don't have IP, right? 20:35 thexyz or what is it? 20:36 E4xoi it is just a tun that relays all the data over IRC connections 20:36 thexyz Calinou: why is it useless code? 20:36 E4xoi and uses base64 for encoding it 20:36 thexyz heh 20:36 E4xoi and it was just for trying a thread-hell 20:36 Calinou because it sends random garbage and nothing else 20:36 Calinou but... it's multithreaded! 20:37 E4xoi the tun has two threads, one for reading and other for writing to the tun, and each irc connection has its own thread, plus +2 (for reading and writing) 20:37 thexyz ah.. I wanted you to say that no one will be using this code so it's useless 20:37 thexyz so then I could came and show this link: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls 20:38 thexyz s/a/o/ 20:38 VanessaE E4xoi: unscramble your nick dammit :) 20:38 Exio4 by request! 20:38 * Calinou removes libexim4 20:38 PilzAdam !kick Jordach insulting other users 20:38 Exio4 !kick PilzAdam using minetestbot for kicking users 20:39 Calinou !kick Exio4 having a scrambled nick 20:39 Exio4 dubstep remix your nick Calinou 20:39 Exio4 it will probably say "clopclop" after you shuffle it 20:40 Calinou I only have one c and one l, one o and no p 20:40 Exio4 your nick has hidden chars 20:40 Exio4 we all know it 20:41 Calinou Clopinou :> 20:41 Microchip Who's on Realtest? 20:42 kaeza hey Microchip 20:42 kaeza wrong network :P 20:42 Microchip hi kaeza... oh? 20:42 Microchip Does VE have a private one for her servers? 20:43 kaeza the servers are on irc.inchra.net 20:43 * Microchip facepalms 20:43 Microchip thanks... 20:43 kaeza no probs :P 20:45 zsoltisawesome YAAY 20:45 zsoltisawesome us{0gb: good to see you 20:45 us{0gb Hello, zsoltisawesome! Good to see you too. 20:45 zsoltisawesome minetest has died like a fart in the wind... 20:45 zsoltisawesome *moontest 20:45 zsoltisawesome excuse me! 20:48 zsoltisawesome https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121965#p121965 is a sorta good post... 20:48 Calinou hi us{0gb 20:48 Calinou zsoltisawesome, it died like Princess Celestia on the moon. :3 20:48 zsoltisawesome s/Celestia/Luna 20:49 zsoltisawesome get it right :/... 20:49 Calinou zsoltisawesome, you are allowed to use Minetest textures for your own project; even for a commercial use 20:49 Calinou zsoltisawesome, no, isn't Luna from the moon? :P 20:49 zsoltisawesome no 20:50 Lunatrius luna tri us - moon three united states 20:50 Calinou luna tries us. 20:50 zsoltisawesome lol 20:50 us{0gb Hello, Calinou! 20:50 zsoltisawesome who is "us"? 20:50 zsoltisawesome xD 20:50 Calinou it's us{0gb! 20:51 Calinou random fact of the day: imageshack.us = images hack us 20:51 us{0gb I think Minetest textures are free, and thus can be used in commercial products. 20:51 us{0gb Nice. 20:51 zsoltisawesome they are under CC-BY-SA 3.0 20:52 zsoltisawesome well 20:52 Exio4 DOGE TO THE MOON!! wow 20:52 us{0gb CC-BY-SA code/other can be sold. 20:52 Exio4 much profit so currency such moon 20:52 zsoltisawesome very currency 20:52 Exio4 :D 20:52 zsoltisawesome damn 20:52 zsoltisawesome you was faster 20:52 us{0gb It's that "NC" you have to watch out for. 20:52 zsoltisawesome ya 20:53 zsoltisawesome umm could you halp me restore the texutures? 20:53 Calinou there is no NC or ND-licensed stuff in Minetest. it's fully free :) 20:53 us{0gb Exactly. 20:53 us{0gb Restore how? 20:54 Jordach still can't snort minetest as a drug: bodily cells are non libre 20:54 zsoltisawesome so, i have to make my content available under the same licence as well? 20:54 us{0gb The same or I think a compatible license will work. 20:54 zsoltisawesome well, if you look at the repo its striped of the textures 20:54 us{0gb I'll chech the archives you sent me. 20:54 zsoltisawesome cause i want my texture to be PD 20:55 zsoltisawesome aka CC0 20:55 Calinou Public Domain is not "also known as" CC0 20:55 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: Um. Problem. '/home/us_0gb/Downloads/Moontest-Dev-0.2-Lin.zip' Could not be opened 20:55 Calinou they are not entirely the same thing, but are quite similar actually 20:55 zsoltisawesome shit 20:55 us{0gb Same with the Windows counterpart. 20:56 zsoltisawesome well, we havent really made any textures yet in the new version, so we are fine 20:56 us{0gb What did you use to compress them? 20:56 zsoltisawesome XP compresser thiny 20:56 us{0gb Or maybe my decompressor is bugged. I'll find a known good .zip to try it on. 20:57 * us{0gb downloads the Minetest source .zip 20:58 zsoltisawesome well, i have an idea 20:58 zsoltisawesome copy all the textures back 20:58 zsoltisawesome from minetest_game 21:01 Calinou why would a decompressor not work with certain files? O_o 21:01 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: Okay, it's my decompresser that is bugged. It might need a plugin that I don't have. 21:02 zsoltisawesome is there a way to revert a repo back to a certain commit? 21:02 Jordach http://pastebin.com/tg29czYn 21:02 us{0gb In Git, there's a way. I don't know it though. 21:02 VanessaE ha! 21:05 us{0gb If anyone knows, why does the Xfce suite come with a non-functioning decompresser? I mean, seriously. 21:05 Jordach sudo apt-get install file-roller 21:05 zsoltisawesome who knows 21:05 zsoltisawesome LOL 21:05 us{0gb I guess this is the wrong channel for that. 21:05 Jordach us{0gb, try what i just said 21:06 us{0gb Jordach: Is that a second decompresser or a plugin for the first? 21:06 Jordach us{0gb, fill-roller supports everything under the sun 21:06 Calinou file-troller 21:07 Calinou (I actually like file-roller, I don't dislike it) 21:07 Calinou us{0gb, it's GNOME's archive manager 21:07 us{0gb Hmm. Twenty dependencies. Now the question is, will having those also fix Squeeze? It would be amusing if it did. 21:08 Exio4 unzip or 7z 21:08 Exio4 guis are useless there 21:08 Exio4 and slower 21:08 zsoltisawesome SLOW 21:08 us{0gb I think I recall that 7z was under a weird license. 21:09 us{0gb Yup, installing File Roller fixed Squeeze. Both work now. 21:10 Calinou dependencies are not bad 21:11 Calinou better have them than reinvent the wheel every time 21:11 Jordach but who ever invented the other three was a genius 21:11 us{0gb I'm using a Xubuntu PPA, so maybe Xubuntu nomally has the required libraries to make Squeeze work. 21:11 Calinou XChat... you should use HexChat, just saying :P 21:12 us{0gb Calinou: I completely agree. I just meant that there were twenty chances to get the one Squeeze needs. 21:12 Calinou XChat is no longer maintained, it could have security issues 21:12 us{0gb HexChat isn't in my repo. I'll see if there is an addable repository. 21:13 Calinou there's a *buntu PPA 21:14 us{0gb I should probably readd the Minetest repo at some point as well. I haven't readded that since my last (and hopefully final) reset. 21:15 zsoltisawesome us{0gb: do you have the triquel credit card usb thing? 21:15 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: No. I'm told it will be sent, but I have not received it yet. 21:16 zsoltisawesome it is quite comical looking 21:16 us{0gb Do you have one? 21:17 thexyz what's that you're talking about? 21:17 us{0gb thexyz: Hold on, finding URI ... 21:18 zsoltisawesome us{0gb: no, i've seen pictures 21:18 us{0gb thexyz: http://static.fsf.org/nosvn/dontcardomebro.jpg 21:18 us{0gb A credit-card sized bootable USB drive. 21:18 Calinou zsoltisawesome makes fun of it, I don't know whyh 21:18 Calinou -h 21:19 thexyz why is it credit-card sized? 21:20 zsoltisawesome so it can fit in your wallet or purse 21:20 us{0gb I think it's to make it easy to carry in your wallet. It doubles as a membership card. 21:20 thexyz membership card? 21:21 us{0gb Membership in the Free Software Foundation. 21:22 thexyz interesting 21:23 us{0gb I need to modify some scripts, then I can cross over to HexChat. 21:27 zsoltisawesome Jordach: still reading, wow, that guy raged 21:27 Jordach and yet everyone thinks my two words were bad 21:29 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/Pi1O7Ek 21:32 us{0gb My (he)xchat script is failing. I must investigate. 21:39 us{0gb I must say, I haven't even connected to the network yet, and I'm liking HexChat better. 21:40 Calinou fun fact, I contribute to its french translation 21:40 us{0gb Nice! 21:42 Calinou it's the only stuff I know well to contribute to free software projects :/ 21:42 zsoltisawesome i liked the previous fun fact better 21:42 Calinou so I have to do that kind of task that doesn't profit to a lot of people and is fairly boring 21:45 us{0gb SASL in HexChat is failing. 21:46 Calinou it works for me :/ 21:46 Calinou what error message do you get? might want to ask in #hexchat 21:47 us{0gb No error message that I see, but I think I figured it out. I'm trying something. 21:47 us{0gb Nope, that wasn't it. It's okay though, I'll just switch to NickServ identification. 21:48 us{0gb I was excited about the built-in SASL, but it's not like I actually need it for something. 21:49 Exio4 weechat 21:49 Exio4 is the answer! * 21:50 us{0gb WeeChat was text-based, last I saw. I couldn't even figure out how to connect to a network until reading the manual. 21:50 Exio4 it still awesome 21:50 Exio4 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 65.0C mobo: 48.0C gpu: 86C 21:50 Exio4 my gpu looks warm 21:51 us{0gb It's awesome, it's just not for me. Sort of like GNOME and KDE. 21:54 us{0gb Okay, I figured out the SASL issue. Apparently, I have to be *~us_0gb@* to use SASL, but I use *~0gb.us@*. No SASL for me then, but at least I now know why. 21:57 ShadowNinja us{0gb: I don't think so. Maybe your client is forcing that. 21:57 us{0gb ShadowNinja: Yeah, HexChat's built-in SASL is doing that. 21:58 us{0gb I think XChat's external SASL did not require that. 21:59 ShadowNinja ,,(give us{0gb quassel) :-) 21:59 ShadowBot us{0gb: Quassel is a IRC client that supports a seperate client and server. (like a bouncer) See http://quassel-irc.org 22:00 us{0gb ShadowNinja: Is that to remain logged in for reading scrollback? 22:02 zsoltisawesome holy crap, that was a long log 22:02 us{0gb Holy package avalanche, Batman. 112 packages will be installed. 22:03 ShadowNinja us{0gb: Yes, that's one of the purposes of a bouncer. But it is also a very good client without using a seperate core (the actual bouncer) 22:04 zsoltisawesome http://www.myinstants.com/media/sounds/im-batman.mp3 22:04 us{0gb Alright, I'll try it out then. I'm not really interested in the bouncer, but since it is good for other reasons ... 22:05 kaeza quassel is too bloated and/or restricted for my taste (when used as regular client) 22:05 Calinou -1 for mp3 22:05 Jordach -2 for copyrighted soundbite 22:06 zsoltisawesome fine: http://www.moviesoundclips.net/download.php?id=1926&ft=ogg 22:06 us{0gb Bloated or not, it's worth trying. Though I am likely to choose a lighter client to match my lighter desktop. 22:08 zsoltisawesome IM BATMAN 22:08 us{0gb You know what would be fun? If Aptitude said things such as "Holy package avalanche, Batman!" when you install something with a lot of dependencies. 22:08 kaeza heh 22:09 Calinou fedora seems to get quite a lot of updated packages every day... way more than *buntus 22:09 Calinou I ran yum update in my VM today, it had like 20-30 packages to be updated 22:10 Calinou there are 3-12 package updates per day on a *buntu 22:10 zsoltisawesome what did you feed yum? 22:10 zsoltisawesome cookies? 22:10 zsoltisawesome you know you aren't supposed to feed cookies to yum 22:12 zsoltisawesome Calinou: ! 22:15 thexyz ShadowNinja: it's separate, not seperate ;_; 22:15 thexyz "an irc client" 22:18 thexyz https://github.com/VonC/compileEverything 22:20 zsoltisawesome im tired 22:20 zsoltisawesome and today is my last day of shoool 22:20 zsoltisawesome so i have to work on it till like 19:00 22:21 us{0gb I was just about to say Quassel reminded me of KDE, but then I saw in the menu an option "About KDE". No wonder! 22:21 zsoltisawesome lol 22:21 Jordach us{0gb, it's awesome 22:21 thexyz I only have "About Qt" 22:21 Jordach i'm known to dislike KDE, but some software they make is good 22:22 zsoltisawesome umm, alias is a command right? 22:22 us{0gb Gah, removing it only removes 87 of the 112 things installing it added. 22:22 thexyz what are other options btw? 22:22 thexyz let's say I want to develop a cross-platform app 22:23 thexyz what toolkit shall I use? 22:23 us{0gb GTK and QT are the main ones, I think. 22:23 Calinou Qt, GTK+, WxWidgets 22:23 Calinou FileZilla uses wxWidgets for instance :P 22:23 us{0gb GNOME and Xfce use GTK, KDE and LXDE use QT. 22:23 thexyz I don't think GTK is an option; wireshark for example has switched for a reason: https://blog.wireshark.org/2013/10/switching-to-qt/ 22:24 thexyz I feel that Qt is the future 22:29 us{0gb Hmm. Very interesting. I wonder if Xfce plans to switch. I'm not switching to LXDE or KDE unless I absolutely have to. 22:30 zsoltisawesome how does one use the 'notify-send' cmd 22:31 zsoltisawesome nvm figured it out 22:32 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: See if "notify-send --help" tells you what you need. I'm not familiar with that command. 22:32 zsoltisawesome no 22:32 zsoltisawesome i tried info notify-send 22:32 zsoltisawesome that works 22:32 us{0gb Hmm. I get "bash: info: command not found". 22:33 zsoltisawesome :D you dont use Unity 22:33 zsoltisawesome lol 22:33 zsoltisawesome odd try man -k 22:34 us{0gb No, Unity isn't my style. And even if it was, it's slow on my machine, most likely due to my graphics card sucking. 22:34 zsoltisawesome anyone know a GNOME pixmap name off the top of their head? 22:35 us{0gb I'm not even sure what a pixmap is. 22:35 zsoltisawesome lol 22:35 zsoltisawesome its an icon 22:35 zsoltisawesome i found a simple one, firefox 22:36 zsoltisawesome gksu_icon 22:37 zsoltisawesome https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/6uNS3FfQV8apyvbvIwWg 22:40 zsoltisawesome all you with unity desktop: notify-send -u low -i python3.2 'I Love Python!' 22:40 zsoltisawesome us{0gb: haha, how old is yours? 22:40 thexyz I don't have unity but I just did it; now what? 22:41 zsoltisawesome it sould say I Love Python somewheere on the screen, or it might not work 22:41 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: It's not that old, it's just not a good one. It's made by AMD. If you want good graphics cards, you have to get them from Intel. 22:41 zsoltisawesome lol, mine is AMD too 22:42 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: But you probably use the proprietary firmware, if you are getting decent speeds in Unity on it. 22:42 w_laenger for me it works 22:42 zsoltisawesome well technically mine is older than your i guess 22:43 w_laenger on awesome 22:43 w_laenger 12.04 22:43 thexyz why wouldn't it? 22:44 zsoltisawesome cause mine is a GFX card from before the Merger, so its technically ATI 22:44 w_laenger because awesome is not unity 22:44 zsoltisawesome awesome is what? 22:44 w_laenger !wik awesome 22:44 MinetestBot "There is currently no text in this page." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Awesome 22:45 zsoltisawesome lol 22:45 w_laenger here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome_%28window_manager%29 22:46 zsoltisawesome i found it already 22:46 zsoltisawesome XD 22:46 thexyz isn't notify-send standardized? 22:46 zsoltisawesome idk 22:47 w_laenger sometimes the notifiers are really annoying 22:47 w_laenger because sometimes you can't click them away 22:48 us{0gb Wow, (He)XChat uses one monolithic config file for everything. It might be a better idea to use a separate one for each channel to hold the per-channel stuff. 22:48 w_laenger ̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣ 22:52 zsoltisawesome me is BAORDER 22:53 * w_laenger slaps zsoltisawesome around a bit with a large trout 22:53 * zsoltisawesome slaps zsoltisawesome around a bit with a large trout 22:53 zsoltisawesome we can play that game... 22:53 zsoltisawesome XD 22:54 * zsoltisawesome slaps w_laenger around a bit with a large trout 22:54 * w_laenger slaps w_laenger around a bit with a large trout 22:54 zsoltisawesome lol 22:54 * w_laenger found out that here are 2 usgbs 22:55 * kaeza slaps a trout around a bit with a large zsoltisawesome 22:55 us`0gb HexChat isn't showing me CTCP VERSION responses ... 22:55 * w_laenger slaps kaeza around a bit with a large trout 22:55 * w_laenger slaps kaeza around a bit with a large trout 22:55 * w_laenger slaps kaeza around a bit with a large trout 22:56 kaeza [19:56:14] -us`0gb- VERSION HexChat 2.9.6 / Linux 3.2.0-57-generic [x86_64/1.80GHz/SMP] 22:57 thexyz > 3.2 22:57 us`0gb kaeza, Yeah, I see that from my other client. 22:57 thexyz > almost 2014 22:57 us`0gb But when I send CTCP VERSION requests out on this client, this client won't show the response. 22:58 kaeza us`0gb, they are sent to a separate tab, or to the server tab, depending on configuration 22:58 thexyz more importantly, how's the minetest community going to celebrate? 22:59 w_laenger celebrate something? 22:59 us`0gb kaeza, It's not the server tab, I checked there first. If there's another tab, I'm not seeing it. 23:00 thexyz new year? 23:00 thexyz what else to celebrate? 23:00 * us`0gb doesn't celebrate holidays such as New Year's Day 23:00 * zsoltisawesome is stunned 23:00 * w_laenger doesn't celebrate 23:00 thexyz us`0gb: even with wonderful minetest community? 23:00 thexyz now that's just not really nice 23:00 us`0gb I will celebrate the arrival of 0.4.8 though. That's worth celebrating. 23:00 zsoltisawesome YAY 23:01 thexyz there even is a mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3473 23:01 zsoltisawesome how about 0.4.9 23:01 us`0gb thexyz, New Year's Day is an arbitrary line we draw. What's to celebrate? 23:01 thexyz new release is an arbitrary line devs draw; what's to celebrate? 23:02 us`0gb thexyz, Fair enough. 23:02 us`0gb But that makes me less likly to celebrate releases, not more likely to celebrate holidays. 23:02 * w_laenger will celebrate this http://pastebin.com/JkgpL0EB text 23:03 thexyz ah you boring people 23:03 thexyz who only seek rationale 23:03 kaeza ^ 23:03 thexyz forgetting that there are other things 23:03 us`0gb If we don't have rationale, what do we have? Insanity. 23:03 thexyz yes, just like I said 23:04 kaeza w_laenger, is that your code? 23:04 w_laenger yes 23:04 * us`0gb prefers to be sane 23:05 w_laenger because of minetest lag it doesn't work as it should 23:05 kaeza w_laenger, I see you restrict usage of globals to the bare minimum 23:05 * kaeza gives w_laenger a medal 23:05 thexyz everything for you is often divided into two parts 23:06 * w_laenger takes the medal 23:06 thexyz the right and the wrong? or something like this 23:06 thexyz lol 23:06 thexyz pastebin redirected me to some porn site 23:07 us`0gb Okay, I found the version info. You must use "/query " before "/ctcp version". Otherwise, it just drops the response and never tells you. 23:07 thexyz anyway, not having globals is nice and will help you when minetest gets multithreaded lua 23:08 w_laenger so using "local" is good for minetest mods? 23:08 thexyz it's always good 23:08 thexyz for any code 23:09 us`0gb No globals? That means no sharing APIs between modules though. Or would it be better to use local variables, later declaring them global at the end of the script? 23:09 w_laenger why? 23:09 kaeza us`0gb, "keep globals to a bare minimum" 23:10 kaeza generally, all stuff only accesses by a single module should be local 23:10 kaeza accessed* 23:10 kaeza if you need to "export" your functions, pack everything inside a table or use a prefix 23:11 w_laenger for PseudoRandom you need to define it globally if you want to use it outside 23:11 kaeza w_laenger, locals make code in general faster due to how Lua implements it 23:11 us{0gb kaeza: Yeah, I do put it all into a table, but I make almost all of it accessible through that table if I don't have a reason not to. 23:11 thexyz no one is saying you should never use globals 23:12 zsoltisawesome gtg all, have a nice xmas break 23:12 * w_laenger wrote "bye" 23:13 us`0gb zsoltisawesome, See you later! 23:13 us`0gb thexyz, Good, I'll guard my globals jealously. 23:13 kaeza us`0gb, there was a bug recently, between default's player.lua and BlockMen pyramids mod 23:14 us`0gb I don't use player.lua anyway. 23:14 us`0gb What bug though? 23:14 kaeza the issue was that both files used the same globals, and pyramids changed one of those to a different value (specifically, he changed the animation speed) 23:14 us`0gb Actually, I think my server does use it, just not my local personal world. 23:14 w_laenger Who's the person on this picture? http://shop.fsf.org/product/signed-rms-photo-print/ 23:14 kaeza causing the player to be animated at a lower speed 23:14 us`0gb Ah, I see. 23:15 us`0gb I name my globals "____" 23:16 kaeza it's fine to do that 23:16 kaeza for example, homedecor used to use homedecor_do_foo_bar, homedecor_blah, etc 23:16 kaeza it now packs everything into a `homedecor' table 23:17 us`0gb I used to do that in PHP before I realized PHP had real namespace functionality. 23:17 us`0gb Those were the days. I haven't used PHP in years. 23:17 w_laenger I could upload my screenshots to the minetest wiki instead of UbuntuOnehttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Canada_arm.jpg 23:17 w_laenger I think they could be loaded faster 23:18 thexyz php, heh 23:18 Broam ... 23:18 thexyz has everyone already seen the article about php and strlen as a hash? 23:18 Broam UbuntuOnehttp does not have a proper KIO slave. 23:18 Broam hahaha 23:19 thexyz http://news.php.net/php.internals/70691 23:19 kaeza us`0gb, if you are interested in checking your mods, I have a small snippet I use to check the mods I have locally 23:19 kaeza the results are kinda frightening: http://kaeza.mooo.com/tmp/globalchecker.txt 23:20 w_laenger Why can't I defune nodes locally? 23:20 w_laenger I want to know the max lenght [globalchecker] new global unitTest at @/home/diego/src/minetest/bin/../builtin/serialize.lua:187 [globalchecker] new global unittest_input at @/home/diego/src/minetest/bin/../builtin/serialize.lua:193 [globalchecker] new global unittest_output at @/home/diego/src/minetest/bin/../builtin/serialize.lua:194 [globalchecker] new global basic_dump2 at @/home/diego/src/minetest/bin/../builtin/misc_helper 23:20 thexyz what do you mean? 23:21 w_laenger defining nodes that they only work while loading 23:22 w_laenger Do you know super mario 63? http://ubuntuone.com/2HMzoXW4l6hyC4SOixUMub 23:22 w_laenger It has sth to do with minetest 23:22 thexyz i'm nit sure what you want to achieve but if you want to define nodes after the server is started then it's impossible 23:23 w_laenger because I clicked onto the wrong link 23:23 thexyz because of how nodedef transfer works 23:23 thexyz maybe not only it 23:23 w_laenger is it possible to undefine a node? 23:25 w_laenger I'm thinking about adding table functions to builtin 23:26 w_laenger eg table.get_length(table) 23:26 w_laenger or table.copy(table) 23:27 kaeza eh 23:27 kaeza >table.get_length 23:27 kaeza did you mean #t? 23:27 us`0gb kaeza, So it checks for the presence of global variable declarations? Or uses? If it's declarations, I'm quite interested. 23:27 w_laenger yes 23:28 kaeza us`0gb, it detects whenever a mod assigns to a global 23:28 kaeza so it's kinda like a "declaration" 23:29 w_laenger looks like I can find out the length of strings, too #"dsfsd" 23:30 kaeza us`0gb, http://pastebin.com/UNRzB24F 23:30 kaeza paste that at the top of builtin/builtin.lua 23:30 Broam are 'we' going to get more builtin functions like that? 23:30 Broam oh yeah that is what we're talking abot. 23:30 Broam back to lurkin' 23:32 us`0gb kaeza, Awesome. Thank you so much! The opt-out global system sometimes leaves me accidentally declaring globals from withing functions and such. 23:33 kaeza no probs :) 23:43 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: All commands in WorldEdit are now accessible through WorldEdit GUI, except the MT Schematics stuff. https://gi 2013-12-20T15:42:47-08:00 http://git.io/zk4eSw 23:43 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Improve node inspector to show player axis, replace //scale with //stretch, which supports per-axis stretching (full backwards compatibility retained), and secure schematic file loading functions. https://gi 2013-12-20T15:41:13-08:00 http://git.io/gICW0w 23:47 PilzAdam bye 23:49 VanessaE worldedit still has a gui? 23:52 Megaf Hi all