Time  Nick             Message
00:01 iqualfragile     rambomedic: no
00:01 iqualfragile     you are actually downloading masses of data
00:02 iqualfragile     including textures, models and sounds/music
00:02 Megaf            <iqualfragile> you are actually downloading masses of data
00:02 Megaf            like 20 MB
00:02 iqualfragile     let me count, 1 min
00:03 rambomedic       20 mb should not take 1 min on my connection
00:03 iqualfragile     30 for me
00:03 iqualfragile     yes, indeed
00:04 iqualfragile     but loading is stupid, at least for http, as it sends one request and waits for it to complete
00:04 iqualfragile     which is bad
00:04 Megaf            rambomedic, you are not alone
00:04 iqualfragile     maybee switching to ftp would be a good idea
00:04 rambomedic       and since when were textures and audio files relatively that big? I'm not downloading some 2048x2048 textures with a 10 minute WAV am I?
00:04 Megaf            iqualfragile, actually with http is much faster than defaults
00:04 Megaf            I enabled HTTP on my server and its faster now
00:05 Megaf            rambomedic, I'm complaining about same stuff
00:05 iqualfragile     Megaf: i am aware of that, i am using it, too
00:05 rambomedic       Megaf: they've been talking about it on IRC for quite sometime now, I guess it's a persistent issue
00:17 Megaf            sometimes my server is really slow and laggy
00:17 Megaf            and sometimes its totally lagless
00:17 Megaf            and it doesnt depends on uptime or users online
00:31 proller          slow and laggy if more than 5 players online
00:36 EvergreenTree    o/
00:36 EvergreenTree    Hi OldCoder
00:36 OldCoder         EvergreenTree, Hi!
00:36 EvergreenTree    /discussionstarter
00:37 OldCoder         Have we met?
00:37 EvergreenTree    I don't know
00:37 OldCoder         Very well!
00:39 NakedFury        like a boss
00:58 Warr1024         is there a good way to find all entities that collide with a bounding box?
00:59 Warr1024         it looks like the best I got is finding objects inside a radius and doing the collision check manually for each of them
01:00 Warr1024         which is problematic if I can't be sure ahead of time what the collision size of the other ents is...
01:22 us{0gb           !up 0gb.us 32767
01:22 MinetestBot      0gb.us:32767 seems to be down
01:25 us{0gb           debug.txt is full of gibberish ...
01:34 us{0gb           It seems debug.txt is readable until a crash. Then the whole file is replaced with bogus characters.
01:36 Warr1024         nice
01:36 Warr1024         did you try a file(1) against it?
01:36 Warr1024         maybe it's a coredump.
01:37 Warr1024         it could be that mt server is doing something with file descriptors that's confusing the coredumper.
01:37 Warr1024         what platform?
01:37 us{0gb           The whole file is corrupt, not just the part after the error.
01:38 Warr1024         yeah, dumping core would probably truncate the file.
01:38 us{0gb           I don't know what file(1) means, but I have to get to class. I'll work on this later.
01:39 Warr1024         http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/file1.html
01:39 us{0gb           Okay, I'll check out that page when I get back.
03:01 OWNSyouAll       Where do I get the source code for the 0.4.8 release?
03:02 Warr1024         github is probably best.
03:02 Warr1024         clone from https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git, and checkout the stable-0.4 branch.
03:04 OWNSyouAll       so git checkout stable-0.4?
03:05 Warr1024         I believe so.
03:33 ShadowNinja      Um, remove as spam? http://wiki.minetest.net/Talk:Main_Page#.E9.96.93.E8.8B.B1.E9.9B.84.E3.82.AD.E3.83.A3.E3.83.A9.E3.82.AF.E3.82.BF.E3.83.BC.E3.81.AB.E5.A4.89.E5.8C.96.E3.81.8C.E3.81.82.E3.82.8B.E3.81.A8
03:34 VanessaE         yes
03:35 VanessaE         maybe leave a small clip of the original post as an example of what not to post
03:46 rambomedic       VanessaE: maybe you should split your texture pack into two separate repos, one with with mod support and one without?
03:47 VanessaE         I did.
03:47 VanessaE         get the "stable, default stuff only" release.
03:47 VanessaE         those are zips from the forum page
03:47 rambomedic       ah, okay
03:47 VanessaE         I keep them up-to-date
03:47 rambomedic       but not on the repo
03:47 VanessaE         right.
03:47 rambomedic       got it, thanks.
03:48 VanessaE         I might do that later, been thinking about that, but not now
03:48 rambomedic       I'm currently compressing your textures and will make a pull request when it's done.
03:48 rambomedic       (the normalmapped 512 textures)
03:48 VanessaE         compressiong?
03:48 VanessaE         -o
03:48 VanessaE         they're already as compact as they can get?
03:49 rambomedic       advpng
03:49 rambomedic       and optipng
03:50 VanessaE         Well okay, but normalmals have to be 100% lossless 24-bit RGB or 32-bit RGBA.  Anything less will corrupt them
03:50 VanessaE         (because of how they're used)
03:50 Warr1024         pngout is also sometimes good, if you got something that can run it.
03:51 Warr1024         (it's proprietary junk, but *sometimes* gets better compression than advpng)
03:51 VanessaE         also bear in mind: the normalmaps are in their own separate repo now, the default tree, cactus, bookshelf, wooden planks, and one or two others need redone entirely.
03:52 rambomedic       aaah, if I'm not mistaken the optipng tool attempts to simpblockedlify the color palette, but if the normalmap is using the colors from the palettes then it will not
03:52 rambomedic       and Warr1024 advpng together with optipng, and you will not find a tool out there that shaves off a single byte more (losslessly) pinky promise
03:53 VanessaE         heh
03:53 rambomedic       *simplify
03:53 Warr1024         no, pngout does compress better than advpng on some images.
03:53 VanessaE         blocked?
03:53 rambomedic       and both tools are completely lossless, you can use any image comparison tool
03:54 VanessaE         oh please tell me you don't have an outgoing filter on your chat...
03:54 Warr1024         advpng, pngout, and zlib are all completely different compression back-ends, and they'll perform differently, sometimes some are better, sometimes worse, on the same data.
03:54 Warr1024         why do normal maps need to be 24-bit?
03:55 VanessaE         because of how the different color channels are used
03:55 Warr1024         won't the png loader convert it back to RGB or RGBA after decompressing?
03:55 VanessaE         I don't entirely understand it
03:55 VanessaE         each of the three channels is used independently
03:55 Warr1024         have you tried optipng/advpng on one of those and looked at the results?
03:55 VanessaE         that's why you can't e.g. dither and color mix to reduce to 8-bit
03:55 rambomedic       VanessaE: that was a typo Warr1024: advpng has kind of been abandoned, but optipng is quasi-actively maintained and recent, that's my first tool, and occasionally advpng will shave off a few more bytes Warr1024 because afaik the normal map is stored in the higher order bits of the pallet
03:55 VanessaE         I pngcrushed them not long ago
03:56 Warr1024         optipng is a great tool for discarding useless metadata, optimizing the internal structures, and pallete stuff and the like, but doesn't it use zlib?
03:57 Warr1024         the advantage advpng and pngout have is that they use completely different deflate engines, and if you can afford the time to run all of them, you can get the best of all worlds in the deflation.
03:57 Warr1024         it's not a big improvement; I see only a few % improvement, but if you're going to be transferring those same bits over and over again, it adds up eventually...
03:58 Warr1024         generally, I run pngcrush or optipng first, depending on what's installed, then advpng, then pngout (in descending bang:buck ratio order).
03:58 Warr1024         each tool will not overwrite the file if its output would be bigger.
04:00 rambomedic       Warr1024 let me check but afaik advpng removes IDAT metadata, compresses with 7z and removes ancillary chunks
04:01 Warr1024         rambomedic: yeah, that sounds right.
04:01 rambomedic       optipng uses some other compression tool (may be zlib as optipng is on the zlib license) and on top  of that does some other metadata magic + automagically gets rid of unused higher order bts
04:01 Warr1024         I think optipng may throw on palettization on top of that, I'm not sure.
04:01 Warr1024         sounds right.
04:02 Warr1024         apparently there are tools out there that do crazy stuff like trying different sorting algs on the palette.
04:02 Warr1024         but there's a lot of proprietary non-portable shit out there.
04:02 rambomedic       he has a interesting right-up that I've only touched the surface of here: http://optipng.sourceforge.net/pngtech/optipng.html
04:02 Warr1024         personally, I'm not a big fan of pngout, and the only reason I stomach using it is that the files it produces at least aren't infected by its proprietariness.
04:02 rambomedic       he being the author of opng
04:03 Warr1024         I have a little wrapper that finds png images (by file extension) within a dir tree and optimizes each one.
04:03 Warr1024         that is, I HAD a little wrapper.
04:03 Warr1024         this started as like 10 lines of sh script:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6597825/
04:03 rambomedic       I once tried to install pngcrush and pngout, but the hassle they are to install on linux was too much to bear and reminded me of why open source sotware is superior
04:04 Warr1024         pngcrush is open-source.
04:04 Warr1024         that's the one that has the -brute option that takes forever
04:04 rambomedic       if I'm not mistaken optipng is a superset of the featureset of pngcrush
04:04 Warr1024         pngout is Ken Silverman's proprietary deflate implementation, only apparently available as windows and linux binaries.
04:04 VanessaE         anyway, I pngcrush'd them all some time ago, --brute.  it shaved some 30 MB off the total size of the archive if I recall right.
04:05 Warr1024         I think optipng is superior to pngcrush; if both are installed, I only run optipng.
04:05 rambomedic       ^
04:05 Warr1024         VanessaE: see if you can get advpng too.  You might squeeze a bit more off if you run that after pngcrush/optipng.
04:06 rambomedic       I can't find it right now but I remember reading something along the lines of optipng being some form of fork/superset of pngcrush
04:06 Warr1024         ah, that would explain it.
04:06 rambomedic       "An alternative to pngcrush (OptiPNG) is being developed by Cosmin Truta. OptiPNG makes better use of IO and uses a wider search space."
04:06 rambomedic       on the pngcrush website near the bottom
04:06 Warr1024         cool
04:08 Warr1024         deflate optimizers like pngout and advpng get you the biggest benefit on larger images like screenshots, while metadata cleanup like in optipng/pngcrush can get you dramatic results on all those tiny little files...
04:09 rambomedic       I'm not quite sure optipng serves only for metadata cleanup
04:10 VanessaE         it is open source?
04:10 rambomedic       yes
04:10 rambomedic       http://sourceforge.net/p/optipng/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
04:10 * VanessaE       apt-gets it
04:10 * VanessaE       apt-got it. :P
04:11 VanessaE         I'll read more about using it shortly, see if I can shave some size off the rest of HDX.
04:11 Warr1024         rambomedic: it does repacking too, probably, but only using the options available via zlib.
04:11 Warr1024         zlib is a good balanced compressor, good speed and good compression.
04:11 Warr1024         but 7z's deflate engine can get you better compression at speed cost.
04:12 VanessaE         optipng can run in batch mode?
04:12 Warr1024         ks-flate is insane slow, and I suspect it brute-forces through a ton of different bit packing strategies.
04:12 VanessaE         as in,   optipng -zc1-9 -zm1-9 -zs0-3 -f0-5  *.png
04:12 * rambomedic     is sad if VanessaE will finish compressing before him.
04:12 Warr1024         I dunno, never tried it.
04:12 rambomedic       optipng -o7 *.png
04:12 Warr1024         check out my pastebin.
04:12 Warr1024         that's my batch mode.
04:13 rambomedic       I just do optipng -o7 *.png && advpng -z4 *.png and let it fly
04:13 rambomedic       (I'm alrady compressing do
04:13 Warr1024         rambomedic: I like your strategy, looks good.
04:14 Warr1024         you might actually be able to lower your optipng compression and let advpng take on more of it...
04:14 Warr1024         I don't think advpng really takes advantage of existing IDAT compression characteristics.
04:15 * NekoGloop      curls up in VanessaE's lap
04:15 rambomedic       Warr1024: the only issue is neither supports recursive compression through directories, which is fine with VanessaE's HDX since it's a flat repo, whereas if you have complex directory structure
04:15 Warr1024         I suspect that most IDAT recompressors simply decompress teh whole chunk and feed it into their own compressor, so it doesn't matter how well compressed that data is on the input side.
04:15 Warr1024         rambomedic: yeah, that's why I wrote my script :-)
04:15 rambomedic       I usually run the command twice
04:15 Warr1024         of course, you could always find . -type f -name \*.png | xargs -n 1 optipng -o7
04:16 * rambomedic     quietly copies and pastes
04:17 Warr1024         lack of find|xargs and grep -r are two of the biggest reasons I feel handicapped when I'm on a windows machine.
04:17 rambomedic       I'm no bash wizard, wish I was. There are times when I know tasks like this could be done much more quickly if I studied up about (especially with shit like grep and awk and sed and find) I'd be able to do everything much faster, I envy that
04:17 rambomedic       I hate how windows is gui first
04:18 Warr1024         of course, if you wanna REALLY do it the unix way, you'd use file(1) instead of -name \*.png to identify png's :-D
04:18 Warr1024         windows isn't just gui first, it's gui second, third, etc.
04:18 rambomedic       it makes system administration through the command line/ scripts a fucking pain
04:18 Warr1024         in unix, the first time you have to do it, you do it, the second time you write a script, and the third time a cronjob.
04:18 rambomedic       and it is, literally in architecture, designed to never be run headless
04:18 Warr1024         yeah
04:19 Warr1024         you can't even ssh into it meaningfully.
04:19 Warr1024         so much for remote admin on a cell phone on a 2G network :-)
04:20 rambomedic       Updating through command line? Nope. Remote administration through anything other than telnet? Nope. Editing Policies through scripts? See you in a month.
04:20 Warr1024         but I never do bash scripting myself; all my shell scripts are #!/bin/sh
04:20 Warr1024         ha, you can't remote admin Windows from a telnet either, really.
04:20 rambomedic       and don't get me started on how much of a pain it is to fucking use task scheduler through the command line
04:20 Warr1024         I mean, without tools like grep and such, how do you even find shit in terminal output?
04:21 Warr1024         haha
04:21 rambomedic       the lack of foresight to support basic things like updating through command line and scheduling tasks through command line amazes me.
04:21 Warr1024         windows task scheduler is a whole problem unto itself.  I have tons of problems with the way they store credentials for running stuff.
04:23 Warr1024         luckily I don't have to administer any Windows machines.
04:23 Warr1024         I just have to write software on them.
04:23 Warr1024         that, at least, isn't so bad, since I can just cover over all the bad code with good code :-)
04:24 rambomedic       I once tried to schedule a task through cmd, only to realize the options that I really needed were only available through the GUI (checking if process X is running, battery level, etc.) and I could only run ONE fucking application/executable, and you could only configure it to run on a linear peroid (IE once on sunday) rather than (once on wednesday AND once on sunday) so I ended up having to do complex multiweekly sch
04:24 rambomedic       eduling through multiple different tasks, and I couldn't do anything other than ONE command or ONE executable so I had to fucking write ANOTHER batch script to do all the shit microsoft and it's fucking employees were to lazy to.
04:25 Warr1024         ha
04:25 rambomedic       I had to fucking make task scheduler run a batch script to check architecture type, battery level, and to make the script do more than one command
04:25 Warr1024         the only way to use telnet on windows is vnc + aalib.
04:26 Warr1024         sadly, I've seen a few bits of the Linux world drifting towards gui-dependence.
04:26 rambomedic       I still can't fathom how windows doesn't have command line support for updating itself.
04:26 rambomedic       Tat is one of the most stressful things in the world is that fucking shitty windows updater.
04:27 Warr1024         updating itself?  it doesn't even have an official package manager.
04:27 Warr1024         there's nuget, which is really just a tool without a package repo.
04:27 rambomedic       I have no issues with allowing users to be gui dependent, but I just get so irked when you can't do things through scripting that you can do through the gui
04:27 rambomedic       (I mean updating windows)
04:27 Warr1024         there's now *finally* chocolatey...
04:27 VanessaE         WHAM.
04:27 Warr1024         wham?
04:27 * VanessaE       pipes optipng through xargs :D
04:28 rambomedic       and yes I agree one of the most wondrous thing
04:28 VanessaE         go cores, go. :)
04:28 rambomedic       about linux-based oses is centralized repos\
04:28 VanessaE         ok, that works on the test dir.  I'll go ahead and let it loose on the real dirs.
04:28 Warr1024         BSD's got 'em too.
04:28 rambomedic       the *nix's
04:29 rambomedic       (excluding MacOS)
04:29 Warr1024         yeah, I tried homebrew
04:29 rambomedic       VanessaE: what cpu are you using?
04:29 Warr1024         it's not awful, but it makes me feel like I'm running gentoo or something.
04:29 VanessaE         ok, off it goes.  processing all of HDX first.  optipng -o7
04:29 VanessaE         rambomedic: Phenom II X6 1055T 2.6 GHz.
04:30 Warr1024         the difference between gcc -O3 -march=native vs. gcc -O2 is really not worth the wait to compile stuff from source for like 99.999% of the users.
04:30 rambomedic       i5-2520m @ 2.5 ghz
04:30 VanessaE         I should put my husband's box to work on the normalmaps also (another 6 cores of the same speed, over gigabit network), but he's using it
04:30 rambomedic       I might just beat you with my headstart
04:30 Warr1024         ha, damn, my fastest machine is probably a Core 2 Duo @ 2GHz.
04:31 VanessaE         rambomedic: well you
04:31 VanessaE         you're processing the normalmaps, I'm processing the actual textures.
04:31 Warr1024         Aside from that, I got a Sempron 140 @ 2GHz and an Atom n450 @ 1.67GHz.
04:31 rambomedic       am I not processing the textures with the normalmaps applied?
04:31 VanessaE         rambomedic: oh, I forgot to mention:  this is happening on a 160GB Mushkin SSD. :)
04:31 rambomedic       it's the "hdx-normalmaps-512"
04:32 VanessaE         rambomedic: those are *just* the normalmaps
04:32 Warr1024         VanessaE: are you challenging the rest of us to a *race*?
04:32 VanessaE         they are applied by the rendering engine in realtime, to the files I am processing now
04:32 Warr1024         :-)
04:32 VanessaE         Warr1024: nope :)
04:33 rambomedic       VanessaE wow, I see, is that why when I tried to use it as a texture pack, the textures looked identical other than having "texture" to them if you looked real close?
04:33 rambomedic       *identical to vanilla
04:33 Warr1024         hey, anyone play around with minetest.find_path?
04:33 VanessaE         rambomedic: basically yes.  the normalmaps add depth and "texture" to the textures
04:33 OWNSyouAll       How do I install a texturepack I put it in textures/all/*.png but I just see defaults textures
04:33 VanessaE         they're meant for use with HDX
04:34 rambomedic       How do I use them in conjunction?
04:34 VanessaE         OWNSyouAll: put a folder in <minetest>/textures and select it in the main menu
04:34 rambomedic       (I was wondering why there was so fewer files in this repo then in the normal one)
04:34 VanessaE         rambomedic: copy the files into your HDX-____px texture folder and enable the bumpmap shadwr.
04:34 VanessaE         shader*
04:34 OWNSyouAll       VanessaE, ah thanks
04:35 rambomedic       not parallax?
04:35 VanessaE         OWNSyouAll:  the folder should be full of png/jpg/etc files. THAT is the texture pack
04:35 OWNSyouAll       Yeah looks like the wiki page for texture packs needs to updated
04:35 VanessaE         rambomedic: not used with HDX.  I don't have parallax maps yet (probably won't for a *very* long time)
04:36 rambomedic       I don't quite understand the difference between the two, and wikipedia was no help
04:37 rambomedic       If I understand correctly, normalmaps work by drawing a "map" with darkness in an additional layer, and the darker it is, the more depth it's rendered as having, if I understand correctly?
04:37 VanessaE         actually, it's not darkness, it's a deflection layer
04:37 VanessaE         it tells the engine how to "fake" a distortion of the surface of the object
04:38 VanessaE         which then interacts with whatever light is hitting it
04:38 VanessaE         and makes it look like the surface is truly textured and not just flat and painted with some fancy pattern
04:39 rambomedic       that's what I understood, I knew it wasn't necessarily darkness, but something a little more complex, I just used "darkness" as a means to simplify it, I understand that part, but what make's parallax mapping different?
04:39 VanessaE         rambomedic: now, your description is that of a plain bumpmap
04:39 VanessaE         which is very similar
04:39 Warr1024         I thought normalmaps mapped rgb color components to coordinates in normal vectors.
04:39 VanessaE         it just uses a different method to perturb the surface
04:40 VanessaE         Warr1024: it does
04:40 VanessaE         though I'm still unclear how it works :P
04:40 Warr1024         lighting equations are usually based on the angle light hits a surface
04:40 Warr1024         light arriving perpendicular lights a surface most brightly, while at an angle, the light is spread out more, and thus weaker.
04:41 VanessaE         Warr1024: you should edit the Wikipedia article on Normalmapping then.  it's a travesty.
04:41 Warr1024         surfaces without normalmaps just use the polygon's own normal as the normal at each texel.
04:41 VanessaE         it looks like it was written by someone in another language, passed through two layers of translation, and then edited by a non-native english speaker :)
04:41 Warr1024         so I guess a major effect of having a normal map is that as a light source passed by or rotates around the surface, you'd see subtle shadowed and highlighted areas within the texture
04:41 rambomedic       you said that the normalmaps only dealt with light, but if I were to view a normalmapped surface from a very (for lack of a better word) 'tangental' angle would I be able to see the "displaced" parts sticking out?
04:42 Warr1024         but without the 3d engine having had to actually render more than one polygon.
04:42 Warr1024         no, if you look at a normal or bump-mapped surface from its edge, it's really still flat.
04:42 Warr1024         it's just a lighting trick, like the way holograms work
04:42 VanessaE         rambomedic: only with parallax mapping
04:42 VanessaE         and self-shadowing
04:42 VanessaE         and only if the normalmap has the extra heightmap added to it
04:42 rambomedic       wow, that I did not know
04:42 Warr1024         that parallax mapping business is a new one on me, I've never seen it yet.
04:43 VanessaE         it's complicated :-
04:43 VanessaE         :-/
04:43 rambomedic       here's agood article: http://wiki.polycount.com/NormalMap/
04:43 rambomedic       long and looks like a good read
04:44 Warr1024         so it looks like minetest has a partial implementation of A* pathfinding implemented in C++
04:44 Warr1024         unfortunately, it doesn't do any kind of validation on the path
04:44 Warr1024         like letting you specify the size of the entity that needs to fit in it
04:45 Warr1024         or not going through the infinitessimal crack between 2 node edges.
04:45 Warr1024         I'm really not looking forward to having to write a fast pathfinding implementation in lua though.
04:45 rambomedic       here's one on parallax mapping: http://wiki.polycount.com/ParallaxMap
04:48 rambomedic       is minetest voxel-based?
04:50 Warr1024         not exactly
04:50 Warr1024         logically it is
04:50 Warr1024         i.e. each node is a voxel
04:50 Warr1024         except for the ents
04:50 Warr1024         but the rendering is all polygon-based.
04:51 Warr1024         otoh, I have no idea what kind of black magic RBA's been up to, so there could be some voxel rendering tricks somewhere in the new shaders...
04:52 rambomedic       would it be possible to just port sonic ether's shaders to minetest if he open sources it (I'm not too educated on rendering and graphics and opengl so forgive me)
04:53 Warr1024         I don't really know much either.
04:53 Warr1024         I'm guessing... probably?
04:53 rambomedic       he has written the glsl stuff but nothing else
04:53 rambomedic       and that's what realdarkangel did, I don't think realdarkangel touched the codebase other than with the glsl stuff
04:53 rambomedic       Uggh I feel so clueless
04:54 Warr1024         RealBadAngel?
04:55 Warr1024         oh man we need an API for access to be built-in collision detection stuff.
04:56 Warr1024         entity:get_colliding_entitites(pos optional), entity:get_colliding_nodes(pos optional)
04:56 rambomedic       *my bad* still amazed that he's done all that over the course of like a month or so
04:57 Warr1024         yeah, he's our resident shader-masochist.
04:57 rambomedic       Sonic Ether's shaders for minecraft is similar, but it does some crazy stuff with reflections, and rain, and glare, and shadows, but RealBadangel's got the water and the bump mapping and the swaying of grass/trees done in such short time.
04:58 Warr1024         RBA may yet overtake sonic ether, if the despair of trying to get shit merged doesn't beat him first.
05:09 darkangel        Hello peeps
05:09 rambomedic       he
05:09 rambomedic       wait do my eyes decieve me?
05:10 rambomedic       warr1024 were you not sure it was realbadangel or is this a different person?
05:10 darkangel        \
05:10 NakedFury        do we have someone called sonic also working on shaders?
05:10 Warr1024         rambomedic: I can't say for sure who in here are distinct persons and who are aliases.
05:11 rambomedic       NakedFury: haha no. we were just talking about RealBadAngel overtaking Sonic Ether ( the guy who makes the shader mod for minecraft)
05:11 NakedFury        ohh those shaders rock
05:11 rambomedic       have you seen the latest development build of minetest?
05:11 rambomedic       we're getting some of our own :)
05:12 Warr1024         ugh, implementing A* in lua...
05:12 rambomedic       what's that?
05:12 Warr1024         pathfinding algo
05:13 Warr1024         the major concern I have is that the game mode I'm working on could involve having hundreds of entities milling about, all trying to find paths to distant targets...
05:14 rambomedic       there's this weird issue with minetest, where if I disable bumpmapping the shaders stop working, but if I enable it, they work again...? even though I don't even have a bumpmap
05:16 VanessaE         the only thing the bumpmap checkbox should affect is the bumpmaps, the other shaders are supposed to be independent.
05:17 VanessaE         e.g. you can do waving leaves/grass/water without bumpmapped textures (I do this, but then I don't run a bumpmap-capable texture pack)
05:17 VanessaE         (yes, I don't use the bumpmaps in HDX, myself)
05:18 rambomedic       I know, which is what makes this weird, I'm betting it's an issue with the code he uses to detect gpu and disable certain shaders
05:19 VanessaE         possibly
05:19 VanessaE         how up-to-date is your build?
05:19 VanessaE         there were some bugs in that that were fixed recently
05:19 rambomedic       I haven't updated it to the weird json stuff that was going on earlier today
05:19 rambomedic       but last time  I built was yesterday
05:19 VanessaE         oh, new enough then
05:21 rambomedic       I'm loading your *actual* texture pack for the first time right now, and it is taking forever
05:21 rambomedic       (not downloading, but trying to play with)
05:22 rambomedic       woah the hand is weird
05:22 rambomedic       lol
05:34 rambomedic       hey VanessaE Warr1024 do you know what texture pack is being used in this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/9HDZcFN.png?
05:34 rambomedic       oh my bad http://i.imgur.com/9HDZcFN.png
05:34 rambomedic       should've put space before question
05:36 Warr1024         chances are a lone ? at the end of an HTTP url without a get query won't make a diff :-)
05:36 rambomedic       NVM in the forum post, it says he's using default (on another screenshot that's not linked) I
05:36 VanessaE         ok, I'm done.
05:36 VanessaE         I am pushing my updates to HDX now.
05:36 rambomedic       argh
05:36 rambomedic       mine is still going
05:36 VanessaE         you lose :D
05:36 rambomedic       plus you had like four times as many files to process
05:36 VanessaE         rambomedic: xargs Is Your Friendâ„¢
05:36 rambomedic       did you do opti and advpng
05:36 VanessaE         just opti
05:37 * rambomedic     downt noe wut dat r
05:37 VanessaE         I think you sauid advpng is proprietary, so no
05:37 rambomedic       no it's open source
05:37 rambomedic       it's png out
05:37 rambomedic       or crush
05:37 rambomedic       *not sure which) that is proprietary
05:37 VanessaE         meh, this is good enough :D
05:38 VanessaE         most of these got a couple percent improvement, some gained 20+%
05:38 rambomedic       I did the same to the default pack, but I'm still waiting for pilz to merge it
05:38 Warr1024         pngout is proprietary
05:38 Warr1024         everybody else is fine.
05:39 Warr1024         though pngout is gratis-ware
05:39 Warr1024         and its proprietarity won't infect your png's
05:39 rambomedic       meh, but it will infect my computer
05:39 Warr1024         :-)
05:39 VanessaE         well there's some package called trimage in my repo that references advpng
05:39 Warr1024         well, if you're worried, you can always create another account to sandbox it.
05:40 VanessaE         but advpng isn't in my repo
05:40 Warr1024         oddness
05:40 Warr1024         what're you running?
05:40 rambomedic       it's part of a software package called advancecomp
05:40 VanessaE         Xubuntu 13.10
05:40 rambomedic       it's in advancecomp
05:40 VanessaE         ah, that one I have
05:40 Warr1024         did they ever fix the performance issues on xubuntu?
05:41 VanessaE         Warr1024: it generally performs well for me
05:41 rambomedic       advancecomp is the software that MAME (the open-source arcade game emulator) uses
05:41 Warr1024         it was supposed to be lighter than regular ubuntu, but they built all this crap atop gnome that they ended up running the xfce stuff AND gnome stuff on xubuntu, so it was actually heavier than ubuntu.
05:41 Warr1024         I imagine it probably performs well for you on a Phenom.
05:42 rambomedic       fedora 4 life
05:42 Warr1024         wow, people still run that? :-)
05:43 VanessaE         haha
05:43 Warr1024         The greater debian ecosystem has gotten a big boost from ubuntu becoming the n00b OS of choice.
05:44 Warr1024         I tried slack way back in the day, but couldn't get into it; it was later that ubuntu pulled me back into the Linux world.
05:44 VanessaE         heh
05:44 VanessaE         I cut my teeth on slackware
05:44 VanessaE         and I still bear the chips *shows teeth*
05:44 VanessaE         LD
05:44 rambomedic       once you wear the hat, you never go back ;)
05:44 VanessaE         :D
05:44 Warr1024         I tried xubuntu and gnewsense after that, and ended up settling into the original Debian at the end.
05:45 Warr1024         of course, by the time I picked up linux again, I had already been pulled deeply into the BSD world
05:45 VanessaE         rambomedic: for four months I tried that hat.  it didn't fit :)
05:45 rambomedic       :'(
05:45 rambomedic       what happened?
05:45 rambomedic       don't like gnome? which fedora was it?
05:45 Warr1024         I picked up the hat and a whole bunch of shit started spilling out of it, so I dropped it really quickly.
05:45 VanessaE         rambomedic: oh G*d, this was like, a hundred years ago
05:45 VanessaE         long before even RHEL
05:46 Warr1024         same here.
05:46 VanessaE         when it was all still just... Red Hat.
05:46 Warr1024         they don't still enable a running HTTP server on the default install or anything, do they? :-)
05:46 VanessaE         at least I think it predated RHEL.  anyway it was...oh G*d, RH6?  Does that sound right?
05:46 VanessaE         12 or so years ago
05:46 rambomedic       VanessaE before that fedora was a tiny project with like 4 users, Red Hat decided they wanted the desktop market so they acquired fedora
05:47 rambomedic       up until fedora core 6
05:47 rambomedic       it was one of the most popular distros, and then shit went downhill
05:47 Warr1024         hm, I should probably not be playing minetest while I'm compiling minetest.
05:47 Warr1024         Cannot do both equally well at the same time.
05:47 rambomedic       but since 17, they've really stepped up their game, (20 was released a few days ago)
05:47 rambomedic       *20 was released yesterday
05:48 Warr1024         wow, so you're all the way over in RPM-land.
05:48 VanessaE         ok, HDX is done uploading.
05:48 VanessaE         https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit/81b73b0174219b2871acfcdee52cda0d22723d45
05:48 rambomedic       yes
05:48 rambomedic       of course
05:48 Warr1024         when you think about it, that's what *really* makes linux distros different: the package manager.
05:48 rambomedic       and btw, rpm is the official standard which the debian family has chosen to ignore.
05:48 rambomedic       *and the repository
05:49 Warr1024         xkcd #927 i believe.
05:49 rambomedic       otherwise you can make any linux distro look like any other
05:49 VanessaE         Warr1024:  in the end, pretty much that plus the attitudes+prefs of the distro dev team (e.g. how they code and/or apply patches relative to the upstream projects)
05:49 Warr1024         yep, that's the one
05:49 Warr1024         holy shit I'm starting to memorize xkcd numbers.
05:49 rambomedic       do you know what linux standard base is?
05:50 rambomedic       I suggest you read it, rpm is right there
05:50 Warr1024         who wrote it?
05:50 rambomedic       LSB is written by the Linux foundation (torvalds, and his core dev team)
05:50 Warr1024         they keep it up to date?
05:50 * VanessaE       generates and uploads an HDX "default stuff only" stable release
05:50 rambomedic       whaddaya mean?
05:51 Warr1024         actually, I guess it probably doesn't matter.
05:51 Warr1024         choice of standards is one of the nice things about GNU to begin with.
05:51 Warr1024         it seems kind of weird that a kernel team would be dictating standards for package management.
05:51 rambomedic       it was their attempt to consolidate the platform and not make development the fucking insane dance aroudn the fire ti is
05:51 rambomedic       *aroudn the fire it is
05:52 Warr1024         heh, I come to the Linux world for insane dances around the fire.
05:52 rambomedic       having to package for 300 distros + support 500 window managers/ desktop environments
05:52 Warr1024         if I want sanity, I go back to BSD :-)
05:52 rambomedic       well big companies don't like it, because it's expensive
05:52 rambomedic       that's why it's expensive to not develop but *support* linux products
05:53 rambomedic       the 3 million distros and 3 million different packaging standards and 3 million different directory heirarchies
05:53 Warr1024         yeah, linux is designed to work that way, GNU isn't really.
05:53 Warr1024         they wrote the first standard.
05:53 Warr1024         it's ./configure && make && make install.
05:53 rambomedic       users don't want to compile from source
05:53 Warr1024         I always figure packaging is best done by the package maintainers
05:54 rambomedic       (and it's sudo make install)
05:54 Warr1024         sometimes it's sudo make install
05:54 Warr1024         though frankly more software should support user-local installs.
05:54 Warr1024         so if I make a piece of software, I'll make it easy to compile and install from source.
05:54 rambomedic       there's some guy working on "packaged" linux software
05:54 rambomedic       and it's a funny choice of a word to use
05:55 Warr1024         if Debian wants to include it, then some package manager over there can figure out all the nasty bits of .deb-creation...
05:55 rambomedic       but he means like you make one executable/zip, and it contains all the programs you need and all the specific versions, and nothing has to be installed in terms of dependencies
05:55 rambomedic       so you just click and go
05:55 rambomedic       it's distro-agnostic
05:56 Warr1024         not exactly
05:56 Warr1024         in effect, it IS like a distro.
05:56 rambomedic       and you don't need to worry about if glibc is up-to-date or if your repo doesn't have the right version of opengl
05:56 Warr1024         i.e. if you install a few of these pre-packaged chunks, they'll end up becoming a significant share of the software on your machine.
05:56 rambomedic       in some sense, yes, in and of i
05:56 rambomedic       ^ forget that
05:56 Warr1024         all he needs to do is pack up a kernel and make an installer and it's full-fledged distro
05:57 Warr1024         now 15 competing standards. :-)
05:57 Warr1024         the thing is that competing standards aren't necessarily bad, as long as the competition is fair.
05:57 rambomedic       although, I find it funny, how linux users vie for centralization of software through repositories, and one place to update everything, etc., etc. and now this comes along, attempting to bring the windows-style of software management to linux
05:58 Warr1024         competition is one of the most basic motivations for improvement.
05:58 Warr1024         windows style of software management?
05:58 Warr1024         I don't think you can really capture the essence of that unless you include spyware with your software packages.
05:59 rambomedic       hah
05:59 rambomedic       that's not what I meant, I mean the self-contained self-managed software
05:59 Warr1024         windows software management is more like downloading *.deb's and *.rpm's from some random ukranian website.
06:00 Warr1024         insofar as debs and rpm's can also contain pre/post-install scripts, to ensure that the virusses get properly installed.
06:00 VanessaE         rambomedic: shall I just openpng those normalmaps myself or did you want to do it?
06:01 VanessaE         er
06:01 rambomedic       I'm doing it (albeit slowly)
06:01 VanessaE         optipng
06:01 VanessaE         ok
06:01 Warr1024         it's just bizarre that the commonly-accepted way of installing software on a Windows machine is to download a compiled executible, with no source code available, from an unknown website and just run it.  The deb vs. rpm debate pales in contrast to that...
06:03 VanessaE         I can't fathom having to do that.
06:03 VanessaE         I mean, installing via rpm?
06:03 VanessaE         that's so....alien
06:03 Warr1024         ha
06:03 * VanessaE       hides
06:04 Warr1024         Each BSD has a different package manager.
06:04 Warr1024         each of them is completely different from apt or rpm.
06:04 VanessaE         but really
06:04 rambomedic       yum install optipng done
06:04 rambomedic       *yum install optipng
06:04 Warr1024         however, coming from the bsd world, I just added alias pkg_add='sudo apt-get install' to my ~/.bashrc and like 90% of the time it works as expected :-D
06:04 rambomedic       done
06:04 VanessaE         the way windows users have to do it is so insecure, I just can't understand it
06:05 rambomedic       yum supports asynchronous downloads of packages, does apt-get do that?
06:05 VanessaE         Warr1024: go to -dev
06:05 VanessaE         c55 is respoonding to your comments about UDP packet size
06:06 VanessaE         -o
06:08 Warr1024         rambomedic: yes: sudo apt-get install -y package &
06:08 rambomedic       the replacement for yum, dnf, support asynchronous INSTALLATION of packages
06:09 Warr1024         for fancy gui users, there's even better xterm -e 'sudo apt-get install package' &
06:09 rambomedic       and I mean that when you install a package with dependencies it will download both packages at the same time
06:09 Warr1024         :-D
06:09 Warr1024         yeah, I think apt does that.
06:09 Warr1024         parallel dependency recursion.
06:09 Warr1024         though depending on how your repositories are structured, it's double-edged sword.
06:09 * rambomedic     knows apt-get doesn't
06:09 Warr1024         hm, I might be thinking of synaptic...
06:12 rambomedic       does apt-get do delta packages?
06:12 rambomedic       I don't even know if delta .debs exist
06:12 VanessaE         no idea
06:13 rambomedic       on fedora if you update a package, you don't have to redownload the whole thing, you just download the changed file
06:13 rambomedic       it's called a delta rpm
06:13 Warr1024         never heard of them.
06:13 VanessaE         that would be quite a nice idea actually
06:13 rambomedic       one of the many reasons to switch
06:13 VanessaE         whether deb does that, I have no clue though
06:14 * rambomedic     's face when fedora has done that for 6 years
06:14 Warr1024         I spend approximately 0 seconds per day waiting for package updates to download, though.
06:14 VanessaE         (you'd think I'd have heard about it though, I've used debian-based distros forever)
06:14 Warr1024         all of the waiting I do is for new installs, so delta won't help.
06:14 VanessaE         Warr1024: I scripted that, since I am too lazy to actually ghost my machines :)
06:15 Warr1024         actually I'm thinking more like installing new stuff I haven't used anywhere before.  y'know, like to check it out.
06:15 VanessaE         (I keep backups, but I don't bother to back-up the OS install, since that's a waste of time)
06:15 VanessaE         oh yeah
06:15 Warr1024         :-)
06:15 rambomedic       does apt-get have the ability to find and install build dependencies?
06:15 VanessaE         for that, deltas would be useless
06:15 VanessaE         rambomedic: yes
06:15 Warr1024         I also don't think I have more than one machine with the same configuration.
06:16 VanessaE         apt-get build-dep <packagename>
06:16 VanessaE         (I think)
06:16 Warr1024         I never even messed around with packages that much.
06:16 VanessaE         been a while since I last did that though
06:17 Warr1024         if you've got automatic depenendency resolution so that your packages actually *work* after installing, and you don't end up with like a hundred copies of each library, then your package manager is pretty good.
06:17 Warr1024         if you differentiate between automated vs. manual installs and have a reasonable cleanup mechanism, then it's quite livable.
06:18 Warr1024         beyond that, a lot of those fancy features are only useful if you're staying on the bleeding edge and doing continuous package updates.
06:18 rambomedic       what are  you talking about? every package manager has that afaik, I'm talking about when you want to build something from source, rather than muckign through error messages for dependencies you could just do yum-builddep
06:19 rambomedic       Warr1024 you are using debian, no?
06:19 Warr1024         I use probably about 30% debian
06:20 Warr1024         I was fairly comfortable on OpenBSD, though, even before they added manual vs. automatic package install tagging.
06:21 Warr1024         which meant that if I installed something to try it, and didn't like it, I'd have to manually track my manual installs and do my own recursion through the dependency tree to clean out the unneeded dependencies.
06:22 rambomedic       you could just do a rollback with yum
06:23 rambomedic       don't need to do any of that
06:23 rambomedic       my bad
06:23 Warr1024         yeah, or I could just do sudo apt-get remove dontwantanymore && sudo apt-get autoremove
06:23 Warr1024         or pkg_delete dontwantanymore && pkg_delete -a
06:24 Warr1024         oh, forgot the sudo's on that last one.  I'm too used to my aliases.
06:25 Warr1024         I'm sure yum has some real kick-ass features, but I just don't know if I've really got the motivation to learn to use them well.
06:27 Warr1024         If slackware's package manager had the ability to do dependency checks on install (last I checked they didn't) then even THAT would be like 90% usable for me.  :-)
06:30 rambomedic       it doesn't... wow
06:30 rambomedic       I tried using openSUSE and it was nightmare imho
06:30 rambomedic       that's a road I never want to go down again
06:30 Warr1024         never been there myself.
06:30 Warr1024         IIRC weren't they associated with the same dudes who made the Evolution email client?
06:31 rambomedic       evolution is GNOME I think
06:31 rambomedic       let me check
06:31 Warr1024         Novell, was it?
06:31 rambomedic       !g evolution email client
06:31 Warr1024         yeah, it was integrated in the gnome desktop
06:32 Warr1024         or at least a popular option...?
06:32 rambomedic       It's gnome
06:32 rambomedic       https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/
06:32 rambomedic       As in it's part of the gnome family of applications, but NOT a core application
06:32 VanessaE         bah, claws-mail or gtfo :)
06:32 MinetestBot      IOError: [Errno socket error] [Errno 101] Network is unreachable (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py", line 571, in create_connection)
06:32 Warr1024         I run either sylpheed or mutt, depending on whether I have a GUI available.
06:33 VanessaE         ?
06:33 VanessaE         Warr1024: sylpheed == claws-mail
06:33 Warr1024         ...oh
06:33 VanessaE         I think, or it used to be
06:33 Warr1024         forked?
06:33 VanessaE         eons ago, yeah
06:34 Warr1024         I prefer mutt myself, but I tend to have different use-cases for them.
06:34 Warr1024         I use sylpheed to access my mail directly on server
06:34 VanessaE         back in the day, I used Pine :)
06:34 Warr1024         I use getmail to sync mail from server, and mutt to view the local cache.
06:34 rambomedic       ugggh your fucking bot is broken again sfan5 :/
06:34 Warr1024         and a small army of perl scripts to do IMAP IDLE with gmail so my mail sync is near-realtime :-)
06:35 Warr1024         I remember pine
06:35 VanessaE         I never had a use for IMAP, it was all POP3 for me
06:35 Warr1024         iirc the good parts of pine became mutt, and the rest became pico :-)
06:35 VanessaE         ah
06:35 VanessaE         is that how it worked?
06:35 sfan5            rambomedic: that is git.io not being reachable
06:35 Warr1024         mutt is a very nice mail client for ncurses.
06:36 Warr1024         in fact, I use it as an rss reader; got a scraper script that converts rss feeds into maildirs :-D
06:36 rambomedic       sfan5: sorry, my bad, that must be why it took so long to throw back an error
06:38 Warr1024         I hate when I spend hours working on my mod, and my code changes don't affect the game experience in any tangible way.
06:39 Warr1024         it's all library code, refactoring, reorganizing, etc...
06:43 Warr1024         bye
07:49 sfan5[School]    meow
07:49 VanessaE         woof
07:50 * sfan5[School]  throws a kitten at VanessaE
07:51 * VanessaE       catches, cuddles, and places said kitten in OldCoder's pile
07:51 sfan5[School]    :D
07:54 OldCoder         VanessaE, Hi!!
07:54 VanessaE         hi :)
09:06 VanessaE         Megaf:  index.mhf or whatever the filename was -- make your server return code 404, not code 417.  that's why it didn't work right.
09:06 VanessaE         index.mth that is
09:07 VanessaE         07:04:41: INFO[CurlFetchThread]: http://minetest.megaf.info/media/index.mth not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 417)
09:07 VanessaE         kahrl says that httpfetch expects a 404 or gtfo.
09:18 JamesTait        Good morning all; happy Regifting Day! :-D
09:18 VanessaE         hi :()
09:18 VanessaE         :)
09:18 VanessaE         I'm off to bed... I hope
09:18 VanessaE         good night :)
09:18 VanessaE         shift change :)
09:19 * VanessaE       punches out, hands JamesTait a time card
09:19 VanessaE         you forgot to clock in again :D
09:19 JamesTait        Thank you dear. :)
10:07 Megaf            Hi john_minetest
10:08 * Megaf          Does not knows what VanessaE was talking about
10:49 phantombeta      Hi
12:14 PilzAdam         Hello everyone!
12:16 E4xoi            hi PonyAdam
12:16 E4xoi            you should dubstep remix your nick!
12:16 PilzAdam         Hi princess Exio
12:17 E4xoi            Rainbow Adam vs Princess Exio
12:17 E4xoi            Rarity would win anyway
12:17 E4xoi            also, w00t!
12:17 E4xoi            now i have enough dogecoins for buying 3d glasses!
12:18 E4xoi            well, a bit more too!
12:18 blubblubb        rich shibe
12:19 E4xoi            much profit, very currency
12:19 E4xoi            so wow
12:22 * PilzAdam       watches everything recompile because config.h was modified
12:28 sfan5            hi everyone
13:18 thexyz           oh wow enet is so fast
13:18 thexyz           compared to our network stack
13:51 iqualfragile     sfan5: you might need to fix up the stats a bit, i, a, all, need, minetest and d are no "real" nicks, at least not in this channel
13:52 sfan5            iqualfragile: I will see if pisg has an option for that
13:55 rambomedic       thexyz, where you just playing with it, or have you gotten it integrated into minetest?
13:58 thexyz           rambomedic: i'm integrating it with minetest
13:58 thexyz           everything is just so fast
13:58 thexyz           (with freeminer actually)
13:58 rambomedic       haha, did you stay up all night or something? What time zone are you in?
13:58 thexyz           no, why
13:58 thexyz           gmt+4, moscow, russia
13:59 rambomedic       oh, okay. Here, it seemed as though you got on irc last night around 12 and now it's 5 and your still hear talking about enet lol
13:59 rambomedic       *her
13:59 rambomedic       *here
13:59 thexyz           well i had some uni in between
14:00 rambomedic       aah
14:00 rambomedic       do you plan to commit this to minetest as well
14:01 thexyz           dunno, maybe I'll open a pull request
14:01 thexyz           but it's a total protocol breakage
14:02 thexyz           and when breaking protocol why not rework it
14:02 thexyz           so proller apparently wants to have http://msgpack.org/ instead
14:03 thexyz           so that it'll be much easier to extend the protocol (add new files) while maintaining compatibility
14:37 iqualfragile     thexyz: enet integration would be realy nice
14:37 iqualfragile     but as you said, if we are breaking the protocoll, we should break it realy hard and do all those protocoll breaking things at once
14:47 OWNSyouAll       Turn around and all my trees grow at once god damn that scared me
14:54 ShadowNinja      My server won't connect to the serverlist. I have recent master from well after the fix, but it isn't working for me.
14:55 ShadowNinja      Any ideas?
14:55 arsdragonfly     me neither
14:55 ShadowNinja      troller: ^
14:55 ShadowNinja      troller: And that ammount of data should be sent with POST, not GET.
14:56 arsdragonfly     --verbose only shows a timeout message
14:58 troller          yes, need to fix
14:58 ShadowNinja      troller: And NOT just in Freeminer!
14:59 Broam            ahoy.
15:00 Megaf            Hi all]
15:09 zsoltisawesome   !seen lordcirth
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15:10 zsoltisawesome   !seen us|0gb
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15:11 zsoltisawesome   is it possible to make Minetestbot tell herself a command?
15:11 zsoltisawesome   that would be funny
15:12 zsoltisawesome   lol panic on the dancefloor
15:14 kaeza            mornings
15:37 rambomedic       !seen Realbadangel
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15:37 rambomedic       ugh
15:39 Broam            I have a question about the path-finding algs...
15:39 Broam            is there a way to add/register another, or would it have to be something done with C bindings from Lua?
15:39 Broam            (or written entirely in Lua, which I figure was not done because it's slow)
15:40 Broam            A friend and I are working on a mod that relies heavily on path-finding and we've run into some limitations. I can try to get him in here to talk about it, if he hasn't already
16:16 blaaaaargh       Broam, pathfinding is in C++ mainly for speed
16:16 Broam            blaaaaargh: aye. I think it has issues with assuming you can do things like pass diagonally between nodes
16:16 blaaaaargh       there are several algorithms AFAIK (documented in lua_api.txt), but to add new ones you'd need to modify the sources
16:16 Broam            ok.
16:18 Broam            1 2 \n 3 4 - Nodes at 1 & 4, start at 2, destination at 3. Some of the algorithms assume that 2->3 is a valid move when really it's not
16:18 Broam            I'll have to get Warr1024 in here to get more details than that. :(
16:20 blaaaaargh       Broam, I'm not very knowledgeable about pathfinding itself; you may want to ask sapier (he designed and coded the whole thing AFAIK)
16:21 Broam            ok. I really am being a messenger here...but now I know how to talk to, thanks blaaaaargh
16:22 PilzAdam         Broam, of course you can implement your own pathfinding in Lua
16:22 Broam            right, which is what we might have to do, depending on speed
16:22 Broam            The mod is going to be a "third person 3D chess" sort of thing, where you don't interact with the world yourself, you order units to do so
16:22 PilzAdam         using LuaJIT and vmanip could be fast enough
16:22 * Broam          nods
16:23 blaaaaargh       if you feel it's worth it, you may try poking around in #minetest-dev
16:23 Broam            ok. Aah, Warr does have a repo up. Not sure he wants to share it yet tho.
16:23 blaaaaargh       stupid lag .-.
16:24 Broam            Thanks guys.
16:25 Megaf            Hi all
16:25 blaaaaargh       welcome
16:28 Megaf            !up mine test.megaf.info 30003
16:28 MinetestBot      Megaf: Invalid Port: test.megaf.info
16:28 Megaf            !ip minetest.megaf.info 30003
16:28 Megaf            pff
16:28 Megaf            I'm not used to this keyboard anymore
16:28 Megaf            !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
16:28 MinetestBot      minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (274ms)
16:29 Megaf            Thanks MinetestBot
16:29 MinetestBot      np
16:30 Megaf            Oo
16:30 Megaf            MinetestBot: Don't forget you are a bot
16:30 MinetestBot      ooops....
16:30 sfan5            she will never forget that she is a bot
16:36 phantombeta      Hi
16:36 Megaf            Hi phantombeta
16:36 phantombeta      How is it going?
16:37 Megaf            sfan5: It seems like indexing a nil value is a total random bug
16:37 Megaf            Now my servers is running for some time with no crashes at all
16:38 sfan5            Megaf: indexing a nil value is not a random bug, but they often only happen inside some nested if statements which requirements are not always met
16:38 Megaf            and sometimes it would crash just a few minutes after I started it
16:38 Megaf            phantombeta: not bad all
16:38 Megaf            a little to hot here
16:38 phantombeta      same here
16:39 kaeza            Megaf, hmm, you said it was crashing by calling hacky_swap_node right?
16:39 Megaf            32C here
16:39 kaeza            ~30C here too :P
16:39 Megaf            kaeza: I'm not sure
16:39 kaeza            Megaf, you're from Brazil amirite?
16:39 Megaf            I am
16:40 Megaf            Why?
16:40 Broam            it's 4C here.
16:40 kaeza            Megaf, I'm from Uruguay :3
16:40 Megaf            I think I never told that here actually
16:40 Megaf            Hola hermano, que tal?
16:40 Megaf            :)
16:40 phantombeta      Megaf: yeah
16:41 phantombeta      lel
16:41 phantombeta      wait
16:41 phantombeta      *wait
16:41 phantombeta      lel kvirc glitching
16:41 Megaf            kaeza: I'm from Rio Grande do Sul
16:41 kaeza            \7f O_o
16:41 phantombeta      YAY
16:41 Megaf            kaeza: nearby Porto Alegre
16:41 kaeza            Megaf, cool, Montevideo BTW
16:42 phantombeta      Megaf: I'm brazilian too! :D
16:42 kaeza            I'm afraid the only part I visited in Brazil was Chuy though :/
16:45 Megaf_           pff
16:45 Megaf_           Megaf
16:45 Megaf_           :
16:45 Megaf_           kaeza: nearby Porto Alegre
16:45 Megaf_           [2:42p] Megaf:
16:45 Megaf_           if you know something about here :P
16:45 thexyz           sfan5: how did you run callgrind?
16:46 sfan5            valgrind --tool=callgrind --dump-instr=yes --simulate-cache=yes --collect-jumps=yes
16:47 Megaf_           lol
16:47 kaeza            heh
16:47 Megaf_           what happened?
16:47 thexyz           and how slow is it?
16:47 kaeza            got kicked :P
16:48 Megaf_           This IRC client is not too good
16:48 Megaf_           thexyz: how slow is what?
16:48 sfan5            thexyz: veeeerry slow, I could not even join the server (hanging at 'Connecting to server..')
16:49 thexyz           sfan5: the problem is that I can't even start the server
16:49 sfan5            does it crash or what?
16:50 Megaf_           Folks, later on, much later... I will try to compile Minetest on my MacBook Pro with Mac OS X Mavericks
16:50 Megaf_           It have to finish downloading Xcode yet
16:50 PilzAdam         Megaf_, you cant imagine how many people came here with the plan to compile Minetest for mac
16:50 Megaf_           PilzAdam: Perhaps no many people could do that
16:51 Megaf_           PilzAdam: I`m writing a tutorial if I succeed.
16:51 troller          36 peoples on freeminer server! and in still playable
16:51 Megaf_           PilzAdam: I'm writing a tutorial if I succeed.
16:52 PilzAdam         troller, what does "playable" mean?
16:52 Megaf            TROLLer
16:52 troller          you can plae
16:52 troller          try join to sky
16:52 thexyz           shit
16:52 Megaf            troller: 28 People on my server and no lag at all
16:52 Megaf            (not now)
16:52 PilzAdam         Megaf, Minetest or fm?
16:52 troller          false
16:53 Megaf            PilzAdam: Minetest
16:53 thexyz           oh well
16:53 Megaf            My server performed so well with 28 people that I increased the limit to 255
16:54 sfan5            VanessaE: can I have all the names of all players that were on your server?
16:54 troller          without mods
16:55 thexyz           i broke something while integrating efnet
16:55 thexyz           *enet
16:55 thexyz           not this shitty irc network
16:56 * sfan5          's algorithm that is designed to judge whether a nickname makes sense (not random mashing on your keyboard) is finally working without false-positives
16:56 kaeza            \o/
16:56 thexyz           lol, sure, without false positives
16:56 sfan5            I need more player names to test
16:56 thexyz           run irc nicknames from this room through it
16:56 sfan5            how did I not get that idea...
16:57 PilzAdam         is hmmmm random mashing on keyboard?
16:57 Broam            and then run the names from #ubuntu through it :D
16:57 jin_xi           smash head on keyboard
16:57 jin_xi           post results
16:58 sfan5            PilzAdam: according to my algo: yes
16:58 troller          mem 657M   517M    cpu 55.03%
17:00 Megaf            If I do git pull at games folder and I had put more mods on it, will those mod het overwritten, deleted or they won't be changed at all?
17:00 PilzAdam         dont put mods in the game folder
17:01 Megaf            Why not?
17:01 * Jordach        does
17:01 kaeza            PilzAdam, it's easier to manage for some people
17:01 PilzAdam         its not the intended way to do it
17:01 thexyz           sfan5: you should run my enet branch via calgrind and fix my boogz
17:01 Megaf            It works and as kaeza said, it's easier to manage
17:02 kaeza            Megaf, but still, don't modify minetest_game, but instead copy it and modify the copy
17:03 sfan5            thexyz: only false-positives from this channel are h*mmmm and d*zho
17:03 thexyz           sfan5: where's your algo code?
17:03 sfan5            ony my harddrive
17:04 sfan5            -y
17:04 sfan5            thexyz: http://pastie.org/private/ci6dbq0wmkryftdabl2ydg
17:04 sfan5            returns yes/no whether may enter server
17:05 PilzAdam         sfan5, run it on pwgen
17:06 PilzAdam         *on the output of
17:06 thexyz           anyway, enet seems to work much faster in singleplayer!
17:06 thexyz           except that somehow something now eats the cpu
17:08 sfan5            PilzAdam: it obviously fails for that
17:13 Leoneof          hello :)
17:15 Megaf            done, PilzAdam, I just put all mods on the correct folder and edited world.mt with a lot of load_mod_modname = true lines
17:16 PilzAdam         Megaf, good
17:16 sfan5            does this look nice? http://i.imgur.com/7GowznW.png
17:16 sfan5            or does it need more decoration?
17:17 Megaf            backing up worlds and mod folder now, and gonna do a git pull, wish me luck
17:18 Megaf            sfan5: much more size and decoration needed
17:18 PilzAdam         sfan5, moar presents!
17:18 sfan5            PilzAdam: that is a matter of changing lua code
17:18 sfan5            Megaf: size of the tree?
17:19 Megaf            sfan5: yep, needs to be a little bugger
17:19 Megaf            bigger
17:19 Megaf            PilzAdam: cd mine test and git pull to get the latest files and source, right?
17:19 Megaf            minetest*
17:20 PilzAdam         Megaf, if you are on the master branch, then yes
17:20 Megaf            Yes I am
17:21 bl               hello
17:21 kaeza            hi
17:22 bl               do you know if there's someone who ported Minetest 0.4.8 to mac
17:22 Megaf            bl: I'm going to try to port today
17:22 Megaf            I'm on a mac right now
17:22 bl               REALLY?
17:22 Megaf            we were talking about that a few minutes ago
17:23 bl               thanks!!!
17:23 bl               r u on twitter?
17:23 Megaf            bl: yes, really, about 30 minutes to start porting
17:23 Megaf            I need to download a lot of stuff firdst
17:23 Megaf            first*
17:23 Leoneof          minetest @ 25 fps, whats up?
17:23 kaeza            Megaf, bl, there was a mac port of 0.4.4; you may want to draw some inspiration/code/ideas from there
17:23 bl               do you mean irrlicht?
17:24 bl               to download
17:24 Megaf            PilzAdam: See? I changed the way I use mods and now they are no loading
17:24 Megaf            not*
17:25 Megaf            bl: That too
17:25 PilzAdam         Megaf, not loading? what folder did you place them?
17:25 Megaf            minetest/mods
17:25 bl               PilzAdam, are you the nether's developer?
17:25 CWz              I found Minetest fork that is violating LGPL.
17:25 Megaf            one sec, let me paste some stuff
17:25 PilzAdam         Megaf, run in place?
17:25 Megaf            PilzAdam: yes
17:25 PilzAdam         bl, yes?
17:25 bl               Which fork
17:26 bl               PilzAdam, how to access?
17:26 bl               nether
17:26 PilzAdam         bl, what?
17:26 bl               I cannot build a portal
17:26 PilzAdam         have you read the description?
17:26 bl               I didn't find anything
17:27 zsoltisawesome   of what?
17:27 rubenwardy       Hi guys!
17:27 zsoltisawesome   hey rubenwardy
17:27 bl               have to go
17:27 bl               bye
17:27 kaeza            hey ruben
17:27 bl               please contact me @RaffaHacks on Twitter
17:27 Megaf            The heck is that? A lot of line had appear magically on world.mt file
17:27 bl               about the Mac port
17:27 bl               Thanks
17:28 Megaf            what kind of sorcery is that?
17:28 zsoltisawesome   lol
17:28 * Jordach        has nearly infinite OCD: http://i.imgur.com/V4hJ3Q8.png
17:28 PilzAdam         Megaf, yes, it writes all mods that arent there with "false" to it, to  make it easier to edit them
17:28 zsoltisawesome   woah thats amazing
17:28 zsoltisawesome   and you did that with minetest's glitchy nodes?
17:28 Megaf            PilzAdam: so you mean that I added all my mods by hand there in vain?
17:29 PilzAdam         Megaf, no
17:29 PilzAdam         mods that are already there arent overwritten
17:30 specing          Anyone know anything about the 'vcore' mod?
17:30 specing          I can't find it on the forums or on the web
17:31 PilzAdam         specing, no
17:31 PilzAdam         how do you know that this mod exits?
17:32 Megaf            I thought mod name was exactly the folders name
17:32 Megaf            http://paste.debian.net/71810/
17:32 OWNSyouAll       !seen MinetestBot
17:32 MinetestBot      OWNSyouAll: minetestbot was last seen at 2013-12-13 17:25:33 UTC on #minetest-de
17:32 specing          I spotted it in /mods of a server
17:33 PilzAdam         specing, maybe its a mod just for the server
17:33 Jordach          zsoltisawesome, my entire spacestation http://i.imgur.com/d4QmlOo.png
17:33 PilzAdam         Megaf, you still have mods in the game folder that dont belong there
17:33 PilzAdam         run git status  to see a list of mods that shouldnt be there
17:33 zsoltisawesome   Jordach: Woah
17:33 Jordach          evergreen happens to be building as well ;)
17:34 specing          Okay
17:34 zsoltisawesome   cool
17:34 Megaf            PilzAdam: Yep, I misses mobs
17:34 zsoltisawesome   but bearing through the glitch blocks must be a pain
17:34 Megaf            minetest@li677-246:~/Minetest/_New/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods$ ls
17:34 Megaf            default  doors  dye  farming  flowers  stairs  wool
17:34 * Jordach        thinks it's happy wheels time
17:34 zsoltisawesome   YAY
17:34 Megaf            I think it's ok now
17:37 Megaf            PilzAdam: Ok, I think I got a clean start now http://paste.debian.net/71812/
17:37 PilzAdam         Megaf, and do all the mods load correctly now?
17:37 Megaf            I think so
17:38 Megaf            And I just updated my server by the way
17:38 Megaf            8 minutes to finish downloading Xcode!
17:39 Megaf            2.09 GB of shit on a 4 mbps internet
17:39 specing          How does one fix the issue that after loading up some mods, the textures get borked (e.g. wool ones)?
17:39 PilzAdam         disable preload item visuals
17:42 Megaf            troller: did your server just crash?
17:42 Megaf            PilzAdam: How can we use some good things troller did on free miner?
17:42 troller          no, manual restart for tune
17:42 Megaf            he sure would like to help
17:42 troller          now must be no lag even on 50 player
17:43 Megaf            but it seems like him and minetest folks aren't speaking same language
17:43 PilzAdam         Megaf, you can read a log of #minetest-dev log about that topic
17:44 Broam            ahoy Weedy
17:44 Broam            ahem, ahoy Warr1024
17:44 Weedy            ~_~
17:44 Weedy            I hate you so much
17:44 Weedy            I can taste it
17:44 Broam            good. let it flow through you.
17:45 Megaf            Hi john_minetest
17:51 specing          PilzAdam: Oooh nice
17:52 specing          How about the torch being in a black square diagonnally placed in a cube?
17:52 Warr1024         Weedy: if you can taste it, you might have hate reflux disease.  Talk to your doctor.
17:55 specing          plants and apples also have this problem
17:56 PilzAdam         what Irrlicht version do you use?
17:57 Megaf            specing: I solved some issues using irrlich from its website
17:57 Megaf            you need to download the 1.8.1 version, extract it, then enter the source/Irrlich folder
17:57 Megaf            run make on it
17:57 Megaf            and then compile minetest
17:58 PilzAdam         Megaf, what distro do you use?
17:58 Megaf            the make part is needed for minetest client only
17:58 Calinou          :o Weedy is alive
17:58 Calinou          Broam, dat FSF member
17:58 Megaf            PilzAdam: Debian 7.3
17:58 Weedy            Calinou: :D
17:58 Megaf            done, just downloaded cmake
17:58 Megaf            I mean, irrlich
17:58 specing          1.8.1 you say? It is in the repos
17:59 Megaf            downloading cmake now
17:59 Megaf            specing: What distro are you suing?
17:59 specing          Gentoo :P
17:59 Broam            Calinou: My cloak doesn't catch on fire when I spin, but thanks for noticing :)
17:59 PilzAdam         specing, do you have shaders enabled?
17:59 specing          PilzAdam: no
17:59 Calinou          hi quality Megaf
18:00 Megaf            Calinou: Are you being ironic?
18:00 kaeza            > akljdfajkalsdhfkahsdfh: true
18:00 kaeza            wut
18:00 Calinou          no
18:00 Megaf            cool
18:00 Broam            Megaf: no. I have an FSF member cloak
18:00 Megaf            Broam: I know
18:01 Megaf            we talked about that already
18:01 Megaf            didn't we?
18:01 Broam            mm...
18:01 Broam            yes?
18:01 Megaf            well, now let me try to build mine test on mac
18:02 Megaf            (with clang)
18:02 specing          !seen MinetestBot
18:02 MinetestBot      specing: minetestbot was last seen at 2013-12-13 17:25:33 UTC on #minetest-de
18:02 Megaf            I need to get the vorbis thing
18:03 Megaf            -- Could NOT find VORBIS (missing:  OGG_INCLUDE_DIR VORBIS_INCLUDE_DIR OGG_LIBRARY VORBIS_LIBRARY VORBISFILE_LIBRARY)
18:03 Megaf            -- Sound enabled, but Vorbis libraries not found!
18:03 PilzAdam         -DENABLE_SOUND=0
18:04 Megaf            PilzAdam: nope, It needs sound, I will get every single dependence it needs
18:04 Megaf            and let the games begin!
18:05 PilzAdam         maybe try to actually have anything before building with all deps?
18:05 Megaf            compiling irrlich
18:06 Megaf            a couple of fatals and a few warnings, no too bad
18:07 Calinou          you compiled irrlicht? why?
18:07 PilzAdam         Calinou, because you cant use Irrlicht without it being compiled
18:10 Calinou          why not install it from repos
18:10 Calinou          that was what I mean
18:10 Calinou          +t
18:10 thexyz           !tell Hirato https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer/tree/enet
18:10 MinetestBot      thexyz: I'll pass that on when Hirato is around
18:10 Megaf            Calinou: Mac OS X here
18:10 Megaf            I will try to compile minetest for Mac OS X
18:11 rubenwardy_      Nice commit messages, thexyz.
18:11 thexyz           rubenwardy_: doing my bestest here
18:11 Megaf            I need to get OpenGL libs too
18:12 Megaf            maybe not, let me read some forums
18:14 Calinou          you mean OS X
18:14 Calinou          it's no longer called Mac OS X :P
18:14 Megaf            ok, I mean Mavericks :P
18:17 Megaf            I think I will have to compile irrlich with XCod
18:17 Megaf            make won't work easily
18:19 * EvergreenTree  slaps Jordach for no reason
18:21 Calinou          this is OS X compiling
18:22 Megaf            Why do people right click other people like crazy?
18:22 thexyz           compiling on os x shouldn't be much harder than on windoze
18:27 thexyz           oh poor c-plus-equality project
18:27 thexyz           got removed from github, bitbucked, google code
18:31 Megaf            28 people on my server and still no lag
18:32 thexyz           what mods do you have installed?
18:32 Megaf            29 folks now
18:32 Megaf            thexyz: a few of them
18:32 Megaf            http://servers.minetest.net/
18:32 Megaf            there you will get a list :P
18:32 thexyz           ah, let's see
18:33 Megaf            I'm not online by the way
18:34 thexyz           max_lag is 1.46
18:35 Megaf            thexyz: is that good?
18:35 Megaf            I understand only on ms
18:35 thexyz           how can you know it's not lagging?
18:35 * sfan5          puts a kitten on EvergreenTree's head
18:35 Megaf            thexyz: whats 1.46 means?
18:35 * EvergreenTree  puts a nyan cat on sfan5's head
18:36 * sfan5          puts Rainbow Dash on EvergreenTree's head
18:36 thexyz           also, it really is lagging
18:36 thexyz           so stop telling it doesn't
18:36 * Megaf          get those nyam cats and sell for a good amount of money
18:36 thexyz           I'm not too sure, I think that's how much it takes for server to perform a step()?
18:36 Megaf            thexyz: well, its ping still quite low
18:37 Megaf            oh, trollers not here, thexyz I was just trolling troller
18:37 Megaf            he keeps saying his servers has no lags
18:39 thexyz           anyone to test enet server?
18:40 thexyz           ah, well, better not do it
18:41 PilzAdam         !git http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/38296984861/after-reading-the-pro-git-book
18:41 MinetestBot      http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/38296984861/after-reading-the-pro-git-book, someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Git, please go to: http://git-scm.com/book/
18:49 thexyz           uhhh
18:49 thexyz           we don't include luajit
18:50 thexyz           i want to hurt the one who made such choice
18:50 zash             LuaJIT <3
18:50 thexyz           the most popular linux server distro doesn't have it in its repo
18:50 thexyz           still, let's not include it! because bloat
18:50 thexyz           well the server is unplayable without it, who cares
18:52 Megaf            It's really a pain to compile this on Mac
18:53 thexyz           not more painful than compiling on windows, I think
18:53 thexyz           if it is then something is really fucked up
18:59 thexyz           anyone?
19:00 thexyz           xyz.is:30000 connect using this client: https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer (branch enet)
19:00 thexyz           plz
19:00 thexyz           NO LAG AT ALL!
19:01 thexyz           LAG IS NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER SO THERE'S NO LAG
19:01 * sfan5          clones
19:01 thexyz           ssd, core i7 haslel, 32 gb of ram, magic patches that make the game smooth; what else would you want?
19:02 sfan5            nyan cats
19:02 thexyz           1 gbit connection from DC in Germany
19:03 zash             only one?
19:03 thexyz           well I hope it's enough for a Minetest server
19:03 zash             10GbE or you might as well not even try
19:04 thexyz           wait for it
19:04 iqualfragile     thexyz: where in germany?
19:05 thexyz           iqualfragile: hetzner
19:05 thexyz           `traceroute xyz.is` to find out more
19:05 iqualfragile     if its not within 50 km around my place the lightlag will just be too high for smooth playing
19:05 Megaf            It won't blend yet http://paste.debian.net/71824/
19:05 Megaf            Compiling on mac
19:05 iqualfragile     just kidding
19:05 iqualfragile     thexyz: what else i would want? a pull request for minetest
19:06 zash             You need a neutrino link
19:06 thexyz           iqualfragile: shit i'm going to go there and make dam sure you're connected to it directly via fibre
19:06 Warr1024         neutrinos are too slow
19:06 Warr1024         what you need is quantum entanglement.
19:06 iqualfragile     Warr1024: finaly somebody understands me
19:07 Warr1024         better yet, use positrons
19:07 Warr1024         those are just electrons moving backwards in time
19:07 Warr1024         negative ping times ftw.
19:07 iqualfragile     no, one does not fuck with time, as it fucks time up und you do not want that to have happened
19:08 thexyz           we need more people
19:08 kaeza            cloning
19:09 iqualfragile     thexyz: what for?
19:12 * EvergreenTree  throws a fishie at NekoGloop
19:12 * NekoGloop      nom
19:12 thexyz           iqualfragile: testing enet server
19:12 EvergreenTree    WHOOPS
19:12 * EvergreenTree  dies
19:12 * sfan5          taps EvergreenTree
19:13 EvergreenTree    Now there is a sapling where I died
19:13 * rubenwardy     is learning SDL
19:13 EvergreenTree    Don't you dare take my rubber sfan5
19:13 * sfan5          taps EvergreenTree
19:13 thexyz           also IF IT LAGS THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S SO FAST OTHER THREADS CAN'T KEEP UP!
19:13 Jordach          flaming hot networking
19:14 * sfan5          puts a kitten on Jordach's head
19:14 Jordach          meow :3
19:14 thexyz           someone should make a build for windows people
19:14 sfan5            hop 7 between me and thexyz does not respond to pings
19:15 Jordach          nah
19:15 Jordach          windows is for newbs
19:15 VanessaE         hi
19:17 Leoneof          minetest @ 55 fps, now
19:18 Leoneof          minetest @ 30 fps, now
19:18 thexyz           no one else is testing?
19:18 thexyz           we need more people
19:20 sfan5            john_minetest: 'enet'
19:20 thexyz           https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer enet branch connect to xyz.is:30000
19:20 sfan5            thexyz: there are random disconnects
19:20 thexyz           i don't have any
19:20 thexyz           do you segfault or what?
19:21 sfan5            no
19:21 sfan5            it just freezes and it continously outputs 'ACTION[main]: connected is still false'
19:21 thexyz           hm... this is odd
19:22 EvergreenTree    Hey NekoGloop, eat this:  http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/bucket_of_fish.jpg
19:22 proller          Megaf, ping in servers page is useless, it connection ping, not server processing
19:23 thexyz           john_minetest: the whole minetest protocol
19:23 sfan5            thexyz: happend again+
19:24 sfan5            S/+//
19:25 Leoneof          minetest @ 25fps, now
19:26 thexyz           sfan5: you can start debugging the issue!
19:26 Megaf            proller: How did you read what I said?
19:26 sfan5            how would I debug that?
19:26 proller          Megaf, magic
19:26 Megaf            Also, I almost broke your record
19:27 proller          no 8)
19:27 proller          your server unusable
19:27 Megaf            just because is minetest?
19:27 proller          no, because blocks not loading
19:27 proller          did you try to join&
19:27 thexyz           sfan5: no idea
19:27 thexyz           I fear there's still much to fix
19:28 rubenwardy       thexyz: why is using enet better than UDP? (What benefits?)
19:28 thexyz           but I know proller will do
19:28 thexyz           rubenwardy: enet IS using udp
19:28 Megaf            proller: nope, I'm my work place
19:28 thexyz           it's just better than our tcp-over-udp implementation
19:28 rubenwardy       You know what I mean
19:28 rubenwardy       Will it add speeD?
19:28 Megaf            I'm at*
19:29 thexyz           john_minetest: it's faster
19:30 Megaf            done, I just enabled the option that blocks tones of Guests
19:30 Peacock          which tones have you blocked?
19:30 Megaf            Peacock: there was about 20+ Guests on my server
19:31 Megaf            now there won't be that much
19:31 Megaf            the allow empty password option
19:31 thexyz           john_minetest: that's possible
19:31 Megaf            I keep that set to false usually
19:31 VanessaE         Megaf: get my message last night?
19:31 * Megaf          set to true just to see what happens
19:31 Peacock          ideally the client should just be jury-rigged to require a user-input name
19:31 Megaf            result, 35 players online
19:31 Megaf            in a couple of minutes
19:32 Megaf            VanessaE: I guess so
19:32 Megaf            my memory processing power is not large
19:33 Warr1024         If you want to minimize guest load, it'd be kind of nice if we could require some sort of investment on the part of a client to setup an account on a server
19:33 VanessaE         Megaf: you return code 417 on missing index.mhf.  you should return code 404.  this is why httpfetch fails and your server resorts to media_FUBAR.  fix your web server.
19:33 Warr1024         something like the option to require a guest to submit hashcash to create an account of any kind.
19:34 VanessaE         I guess kahrl figures this is more or less a bug in httpfetch, as it expects a 404 as a "no, I won't use that mode" response.
19:34 thexyz           it should connect faster
19:34 thexyz           i.e. in single player
19:34 Megaf            VanessaE: Yes I read that, but I'm not sure how to fix that
19:34 thexyz           it loads itemdefs instantly
19:39 Peacock          V, LCARSian enough? http://s11.postimg.org/e1bg38yqr/Screenshot_191213_02_37_17_PM.png  :P
19:39 VanessaE         nope, not enough oranges and yellows
19:39 VanessaE         :)
19:39 Peacock          wait :P
19:41 Peacock          http://s27.postimg.org/7pz8x4var/Screenshot_191213_02_40_11_PM.png
19:42 Peacock          i basically loaded the entire lcars color palette into an array, on every load you get a different combination/CSS :P
19:43 Peacock          i could probably rig up a little JS to change the colours in between loads too
19:43 VanessaE         heh
19:43 VanessaE         no, that's not the problem
19:44 VanessaE         the problem is there aren't enough widgets
19:44 VanessaE         like
19:44 VanessaE         change each of the "Test Page" links
19:44 VanessaE         and the "Execute" button
19:44 VanessaE         perhaps the outline surrounding the content
19:44 Peacock          well the site is practically devoid of content :P im working on the php component :P
19:46 rubenwardy       * 1990 sites
19:46 Peacock          well im not a huge fan of clutter
19:46 rubenwardy       CSS is awesome
19:47 Peacock          you know its cluttered when you've got two sidebars, a header bar and footer bar, and multiple modes of navigation and many links leading to the same pages
19:47 Peacock          i like the fake terminal look, was thinking of embedding a real terminal emulator in my site
19:47 Calinou          jmf = john_minetest?
19:47 Peacock          *the site
19:47 Calinou          O_o
19:47 Calinou          john_minetest, ugly font :p
19:49 kaeza            "WHOA YOU HAVE MANAGED TO CONNECT HERE!" lol'd
19:49 Peacock          and yeah, CSS is awesome :P saves a ton of bandwidth on uneeded images
19:50 sfan5            since I disallowed guest names on my hunger games server rounds get done much faster
19:50 sfan5            also cpu usage sometimes goes to 0,0
19:50 Peacock          if everyone's going to ban guest names why not just force users to choose proper names client side?
19:51 thexyz           the secret formula has been discovered!
19:52 thexyz           max_lag = number_of_clients * 0.4
19:53 thexyz           hmm.. maybe this is only for my server so I should also add * constant
19:53 thexyz           at least it's O(n)
19:54 sfan5            nope
19:55 sfan5            if I want to play minetest from neptune
19:55 iqualfragile     sfan5: how many lightminutes is it to neptune on average?
19:58 sfan5            iqualfragile: 249.89?
19:59 iqualfragile     hmm… in that case it might in fact be a bit laggy
19:59 iqualfragile     better use quantum crossing
19:59 iqualfragile     which has the bonus of not beeing interceptable
20:00 sfan5            john_minetest: no, assuming you use light to transmit data one rtt would be 499.790202639 minutes
20:05 sfan5            ah
20:15 Peacock          lol  "The Free Software Foundation announced today the first laptop they have been able to certify as-is that respects the user's freedoms. [...] a refurbished 2006 ThinkPad X60 with single or dual-core Intel CPU, 1GB+ of RAM, 60GB+ HDD, 1024x768 12.1-inch screen while costing $320"
20:16 Calinou          I'd be more sad than laughing
20:17 Peacock          theyve gotta be kidding right? for an extra 80$ i could get a spanking new tower that blows all my present rigs out of the water lol
20:17 Calinou          $400 here doesn't let me do any decent tower build
20:18 Calinou          (no SSD, low end case)
20:18 iqualfragile     indeed
20:18 Calinou          also, a tower build is not a laptop
20:18 iqualfragile     "low end case" what are you? a fag?
20:18 iqualfragile     oh, i forgot
20:18 iqualfragile     sorry
20:18 Peacock          meh, doing the math building a tower here is more expensive then getting one OTS and just changing the gfx card
20:19 Peacock          besides it's a PITA getting linux support for common model computers, nevermind custombuilt ones lol
20:20 Calinou          you usually don't need customer support outside of the hardware
20:20 Calinou          the upside of custom built PCs: warranty still applies if you use an OS other than Windows :)
20:20 Peacock          meh, ive returned computers with linux on em, they still fixed it
20:22 Peacock          it only happened once that a manufacturer made a point of it, so instead of telling them i ran linux on it, i told them i'd wipe the drive to eliminate sensitive data, they put win back on it, i put lin back on it after lol
20:23 Peacock          besides linux screams geek and geeks buy lots of tech, i doubt they'd go out of their way to make sure you do future purchases elsewhere lol
20:24 Calinou          not all geeks buy lots of tech
20:24 Calinou          I don't
20:24 Calinou          a lot of people using linux use old hardware and don't change it often
20:24 ruskie           yeah
20:24 ruskie           or atleast not latest and greatest and most powerful
20:24 Peacock          well i know open sources types are into ancient tech like punch cards and shit, but most geeks do need new computers every year or two lol
20:25 ruskie           really? they do?
20:25 ruskie           as a sysadmin I worked on a 6 year old box basically
20:25 ruskie           could still do all my work just fine
20:25 ruskie           which included running the ocasional local VM
20:25 Peacock          sysadmin that's managing networks right?
20:25 ruskie           no
20:25 ruskie           that's managing everything
20:25 ruskie           from windows boxen, linux boxen, solaris, storage, network, user support etc...
20:25 Calinou          sysadmin = "boring job",
20:25 * Calinou        runs
20:26 Peacock          well off the top of my head people who need the newest rigs tend to be: gamers, 3d people
20:26 Peacock          some developers depending on the IDE
20:26 ruskie           usually people I don't consider geeks
20:26 ruskie           devs just need MOAR RAM MOAR RAM MOAR RAM
20:26 ruskie           I know... I have to help them out with that
20:26 ruskie           Calinou, depends on the person and type of work
20:27 Peacock          well i definately consider gamers to be geeks if it's their main activity lol
20:27 ruskie           I enjoy planning deployments and doing installs etc...
20:27 ruskie           I HATE writting docs though
20:27 ruskie           Peacock, I consider a geek someone that actually knows a bit more than "reinstall older version of graphics drivers to get it to work"
20:28 Peacock          well being a geek isn't limited to being a sysadmin or a dev
20:28 ruskie           true
20:28 Peacock          some geeks just watch star trek 24/7 and make fan sites
20:29 Peacock          and alot of hardcore gamers are the ones writing the cracks and finding cheats/glitches to exploit
20:29 Peacock          they write trainers and shit
20:32 ruskie           anyway pointless debate
20:33 Peacock          dunno, this started with the notion that geeks don't like the newest/bestest software lol
20:33 Peacock          erm, hardware
20:33 ruskie           no more that they don't buy the newest/bestest hardware all the time
20:34 Peacock          depends what you do with it, bash scripting or 3d lol
20:38 zsoltisawesome   What does the fox say!
20:38 zsoltisawesome   !seen lordcirth
20:38 MinetestBot      zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest
20:38 zsoltisawesome   !seen us|0gb
20:38 MinetestBot      zsoltisawesome: us|0gb was last seen at 2013-12-16 03:51:16 UTC on #minetest
20:39 zsoltisawesome   what is up with these people :D
20:39 iqualfragile     wtf? us|0gb wasnt it 0gb|us?
20:39 Calinou          hi zsoltisawesome :)
20:39 Calinou          you can't start a IRC nick with a number, iqualfragile
20:39 zsoltisawesome   he changed it cause of IRC not liking dots in nicks
20:39 iqualfragile     uh, right
20:40 zsoltisawesome   or that
20:40 zsoltisawesome   XD
20:40 iqualfragile     but his forum name was 0gbus?
20:40 zsoltisawesome   i forget which
20:40 zsoltisawesome   no its 0gb.us
20:40 zsoltisawesome   same as his website
20:40 Peacock          ogg.bus lol
20:40 Peacock          bus.ogg
20:40 zsoltisawesome   lol
20:41 zsoltisawesome   hey Peacock you should leave a !tell message for him
20:41 Peacock          please, i find bots annoying enough,
20:41 Peacock          if i wanted to use bots i'd call one of my service providers lol
20:42 Peacock          "your call is very important to us, we shall put you on hold for an hour, <khan voice> shall we begin?"
20:44 zsoltisawesome   lol
20:44 zsoltisawesome   this --> http://www.fsf.org/associate/card <-- is just ridiculous :D
20:46 zsoltisawesome   umm
20:46 zsoltisawesome   can anyone help with moontest?
20:47 Calinou          why?
20:47 MinetestBot      GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Check for denied access in itemdef/nodedef/media fetch loop a50db0e824 2013-12-19T12:47:08-08:00 http://git.io/GCKXXA
20:47 zsoltisawesome   moontest or card?
20:48 proller          sky server spawn moved to new high place, try to reach sea-level 8)
20:49 zsoltisawesome   amazing google beatbox: http://translate.google.com/#de/de/bvf%20tk3%A7shsht%20bvf%20tktk3%A7shtktk3%A7sh%20bvf%20tk3%A7shsht%20bvf%20tktk3%A7shtktk3%A7sh%20bvf%20tk3%A7shsht%20bvf%20tktk3%A7shtktk3%A7sh%20pv
20:49 E4xoi            green
20:50 zsoltisawesome   green what
20:50 kaeza            teh duck is dat link O.o
20:50 zsoltisawesome   its a groooogle trangslang link
20:50 zsoltisawesome   click the listen button on either side
20:51 Peacock          google's translation of russian comments on youtube are particularly bad lol
20:51 zsoltisawesome   yes, because russia is not part of the EU is it not?
20:51 Peacock          ?
20:52 Peacock          i dont know what that has to do with bad google translations lol
20:52 E4xoi            lol
20:52 E4xoi            best excuse ever
20:53 zsoltisawesome   look here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1952623
20:53 Peacock          ok so if russia was part of eu the translations would be better
20:53 zsoltisawesome   yes
20:53 zsoltisawesome   odd eh
20:53 Peacock          but hell even half the german translations are awful
20:54 zsoltisawesome   true
20:54 Peacock          you can translate words but sentence structures are a bit trickier
20:54 zsoltisawesome   the best are English French and spanish
20:54 Peacock          because they're almost the same
20:54 zsoltisawesome   yes
20:54 zsoltisawesome   XD
20:55 Peacock          spanish is almost like a combo of english and french
20:55 zsoltisawesome   Hungarian translation is horrible
20:55 kaeza            eh
20:55 zsoltisawesome   well, spanish and french at both latin based...
20:55 zsoltisawesome   s/at/are
20:55 Peacock          so's english last i checked :P
20:56 zsoltisawesome   no shit,sherlock
20:56 zsoltisawesome   </sarcasm>
20:56 Peacock          old 90s meme :P
20:57 zsoltisawesome   indeed
20:57 zsoltisawesome   my father says that on a regular basis
20:57 Peacock          my sister said it to me when we were kids, im an uncle now :P
20:57 zsoltisawesome   lol
20:58 Peacock          of course that was back when the Simpsons was actually funny
20:58 Peacock          and the more intelligent Bush was in the WH lol
20:59 zsoltisawesome   Does a bear shit in the woods?
20:59 Peacock          oh and X-Files > Fringe lol
20:59 zsoltisawesome   yes
21:00 Peacock          and the first Nightmare on Elm Street > its nine sequels lol
21:00 zsoltisawesome   and SEGA still existed
21:00 zsoltisawesome   XD
21:01 zsoltisawesome   http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/no_shit,_Sherlock
21:01 kaeza            SEGA consoles never had any good games IMHO
21:02 kaeza            well, maybe Shenmue on the DC
21:02 Peacock          sega was always a bit behind the times
21:02 kaeza            yeah
21:03 kaeza            nintendo basically blowed off the water the SEGA consoles in every generation
21:03 zsoltisawesome   ᴼᶫᵈ ᴾᵉᵒᵖᶫᵉ⋅⋅⋅
21:03 kaeza            compare e.g. the Master System with the NES, or the GG with the GameBoy
21:04 raffahacks       Hi
21:04 kaeza            hi
21:04 zsoltisawesome   your username is very farmillar
21:05 raffahacks       Why
21:05 zsoltisawesome   twitter?
21:06 raffahacks       Do you develop for raspberry
21:06 raffahacks       Yes! Twitter!
21:06 raffahacks       Are you following me?
21:06 zsoltisawesome   no, sadly, i have yet to earn enough money in my poor paying job
21:07 Calinou          you have a job?
21:07 zsoltisawesome   no, no twitter, i just saw your name somewhere today...
21:08 raffahacks       Maybe on androidpi.wikia.com
21:08 zsoltisawesome   Calinou: is the pope Catholic?
21:08 raffahacks       Or stackoverflow
21:08 zsoltisawesome   yes thats the one
21:08 zsoltisawesome   lol
21:09 Calinou          or mlp.wikia.com
21:09 * Calinou        gallops away
21:09 * sfan5          taps Calinou
21:09 * zsoltisawesome wonders when Calinou started liking MLP
21:10 raffahacks       I am also building an open source chat network
21:10 raffahacks       Did u find me on wikia
21:10 zsoltisawesome   awesome
21:11 zsoltisawesome   no on stackoverflow
21:11 zsoltisawesome   dont remeber exacly where though
21:11 raffahacks       Well... Did i answer your question
21:12 Calinou          zsoltisawesome, I don't atch it
21:12 raffahacks       Not like irc, like whatsapp lol :)
21:12 * zsoltisawesome thinks that doesn't matter
21:12 Calinou          have fun making it mainstream like whatsapp is... :/
21:12 zsoltisawesome   whats whatsapp
21:12 zsoltisawesome   XD
21:13 Calinou          a instant messaging app, very popular these days
21:13 kaeza            hey guys! I just found an awesome program! it's called AOL Messenger!
21:13 zsoltisawesome   really?
21:13 zsoltisawesome   did you know that doesn't exist anymore?
21:14 raffahacks       It's not too difficult... Built a social network when i was twelve,and I began early (8) to program
21:14 VanessaE         /kill kaeza
21:14 zsoltisawesome   me too, except for the SN part
21:15 PilzAdam         bye
21:15 raffahacks       For example i've never used graphic libs, but theres still time to learn (14 now)
21:16 Calinou          I keep trying to learn how to program, but it never took off
21:16 Calinou          I also suck at doing art stuff ::
21:16 Calinou          :/*
21:16 raffahacks       Which language
21:16 kaeza            Calinou, */
21:16 Calinou          Python/JavaScript and stuff like that
21:17 raffahacks       Java?
21:17 zsoltisawesome   Javascript? thats like the easiest languagee in the books
21:17 zsoltisawesome   I did Java...
21:17 * sfan5          puts a kitten on kaeza's head
21:17 kaeza            that's why everybody hates JS
21:18 kaeza            it attracts too many n00bs
21:18 * kaeza          runs
21:18 zsoltisawesome   indeed
21:18 * zsoltisawesome runs
21:18 raffahacks       Did too,but it was too boring
21:18 zsoltisawesome   i'm starting to get back into it, just because of HTML5
21:18 Peacock          meh, js was pretty useless until ajax came along
21:19 Calinou          Java and JavaScript are not the same thing at all
21:19 zsoltisawesome   they are related...
21:19 raffahacks       I know, just asking, program with both
21:19 raffahacks       No, they arent
21:20 * zsoltisawesome was just kidding
21:20 * VanessaE       takes the now-floating kitten, snuggles a bit, and puts it in OldCoder's pile
21:20 VanessaE         (kaeza ran, leaving the kitten hovering in mid air from where it was placed)
21:20 zsoltisawesome   what about ECMAScript?
21:20 Calinou          ECMAScript = JavaScript
21:20 Calinou          saying ECMAScript is like saying GNU/Linux :-D
21:21 zsoltisawesome   lol
21:21 * kaeza          comes back, takes the kitten, and runs again
21:21 * sfan5          throws a kitten at VanessaE
21:21 VanessaE         aw :_)
21:21 kaeza            Calinou, +1
21:21 * zsoltisawesome makes the kitten turn into rainbow dash
21:21 VanessaE         wait... *looks at kitten*
21:21 VanessaE         why is there an extra tail on this kitten's backside?
21:21 VanessaE         all right, who's been fucking with the kitten generator again?
21:21 raffahacks       Does someone want to help with php in my open source chat
21:21 zsoltisawesome   lol
21:22 zsoltisawesome   oh, i would, but i dont know php yet
21:22 raffahacks       It's easy
21:22 zsoltisawesome   i only know shitty languages like Lua
21:22 zsoltisawesome   jk
21:23 raffahacks       If u want u can contact via twitter
21:23 zsoltisawesome   ok, cool
21:23 zsoltisawesome   i registered on that one site
21:23 raffahacks       Same nick, quote me a tweet telling me who u are plz
21:24 zsoltisawesome   i dont got a twitter :/
21:24 Calinou          raffahacks, you could create a ## channel on this network :P
21:24 raffahacks       With lua you can mod minetest :-)
21:24 Calinou          and OctaForge!
21:25 raffahacks       Lol
21:25 zsoltisawesome   i tried otctaforge
21:25 kaeza            and Powder Toy!
21:25 raffahacks       Thanks calinou
21:25 zsoltisawesome   i couldn't figure it out
21:25 zsoltisawesome   kaeza: +1
21:26 raffahacks       What is it
21:26 zsoltisawesome   raffahacks: what is what? oh, octaforge
21:27 zsoltisawesome   wait, what?
21:27 zsoltisawesome   wow
21:27 raffahacks       Octaforge
21:27 Calinou          http://octaforge.org
21:28 Calinou          it's still in development, and there's little documentation about making games
21:28 zsoltisawesome   a lot of random people play minetest
21:28 zsoltisawesome   I KNOW THE GAME
21:28 zsoltisawesome   i couldn't figure it out
21:28 Peacock          really random people play minetest lol
21:29 Peacock          running a server i had more people interested in conversation than playing lol
21:29 zsoltisawesome   lol
21:29 raffahacks       Converted my friend from craft to test :)
21:29 zsoltisawesome   im sort of in shock that q66 plays MT
21:29 zsoltisawesome   me too
21:29 kaeza            Peacock, think about the people more interested in developing than actually playing the game ;)
21:30 Peacock          yeah well anybody who's been around for 2-3 years or more eventually runs out of things to actually build ingame :P
21:30 raffahacks       Who made mods here
21:31 zsoltisawesome   me
21:31 Peacock          and contrast all that to coming here to actually converse and the channel is dead lol
21:31 * kaeza          .
21:31 raffahacks       Which one
21:31 VanessaE         I make mods
21:31 zsoltisawesome   I make Moontest (sorta)
21:31 zsoltisawesome   its not really mod, its a gamemode
21:32 VanessaE         didn't someone already do tht?
21:32 VanessaE         that*
21:32 zsoltisawesome   do what
21:32 kaeza            that Likwid guy
21:32 Peacock          its been done a few times lol
21:32 q66              <zsoltisawesome> im sort of in shock that q66 plays MT
21:32 raffahacks       I suggest a battery mod 4 mese, with lithium ores and different sizes and mah :)
21:32 q66              wot
21:32 q66              why me
21:32 VanessaE         raffahacks: technic mod.
21:32 zsoltisawesome   lol, he is helping me, cause he made something like it, but then abandons it
21:33 zsoltisawesome   well....
21:33 zsoltisawesome   Octaforge AND MT...
21:33 zsoltisawesome   XD
21:33 q66              also i don't play minetest, used to but i don't have time to play pretty much anything
21:33 zsoltisawesome   lol
21:34 zsoltisawesome   octaforge is getting so much better
21:34 raffahacks       Really, a battery mod would be intresting
21:36 raffahacks       Hi megaf
21:36 zsoltisawesome   ya it would
21:36 Megaf            Hi there
21:37 harrison         i would try octaforge actually
21:37 harrison         if it were meant for linux
21:37 raffahacks       Megaf am i wrong or did u say you was developing a mac port of mt
21:37 Megaf            I'm not developing anything, I'm just trying to compile it
21:37 Megaf            on Mac
21:38 raffahacks       Did u have success
21:38 Megaf            not yet
21:39 raffahacks       Is it difficult?
21:39 Megaf            Yes
21:39 Megaf            Because I need to download and compile a lot of stuff
21:39 Peacock          earlick for mac?
21:39 q66              <Calinou> ECMAScript = JavaScript
21:39 q66              <Calinou> saying ECMAScript is like saying GNU/Linux :-D
21:39 q66              btw, not exactly
21:40 q66              ecmascript == the actual language with a spec, javascript == mozilla ecmascript butchery
21:40 Peacock          *Lignux, -RMS
21:40 harrison         Did you mean GNAA/Linux, now with extra goatse?
21:40 q66              both suck badly in any case
21:40 Peacock          give your system the D - Systemd
21:40 Calinou          harrison, it is meant for Linux?
21:41 q66              Peacock, systemd, putting the d to the back end of your system
21:41 Peacock          lol
21:42 Calinou          upstart, more appropriate than giving your system the D
21:42 raffahacks       Bless the inventor of freenode :-)
21:42 q66              why
21:43 Megaf            whos that?
21:43 q66              freenode isn't the only irc network in the world, arguably it's one of the worse ones
21:43 Peacock          UPS tart? you mean that blond woman who delivers my amazon packages?
21:43 raffahacks       Which one's the best
21:43 q66              idk
21:43 raffahacks       Q66
21:44 Peacock          didn't the founder of freenode beg for money to "manage" freenode?
21:44 q66              there is no best one i guess
21:44 raffahacks       I think freenode's find
21:44 q66              efnet is decent, OFTC is good
21:44 raffahacks       Fine
21:44 q66              the D bus
21:44 Peacock          what stuff logged?
21:45 pitriss          q66: heh freenode is much better than ircnet.. Ircnets forced using national servers sucks as hell.. Czech servers are permannetly in split mode for example:)
21:45 q66              pitriss, efnet != ircnet
21:45 Peacock          i think i know how skynet decides to destroy humanity... it read the #minetest logs :P
21:45 harrison         irc.gnaa.eu --- ultimate underbelly network
21:45 raffahacks       The only problem with irc is s
21:45 raffahacks       Spam
21:45 q66              also i'm czech, but i have no idea about czech efnet servers
21:45 q66              i just use a random one it connects me to
21:46 zsoltisawesome   sorry about that, i had a meltdown
21:46 raffahacks       May happen
21:47 q66              the one thing that bugs me about efnet is its lack of services, though most channels manage just fine
21:47 pitriss          q66: yep efnet maybe.. I don't know much that network but.. Still I consider freenode better than most irc networks that I tried.. Better running was only private IRC network from my friend:)
21:47 harrison         but does it allow ascii art of hello kitty with an ak47?
21:48 q66              pitriss, the freenode staff is incredibly unhelpful, and the network is unstable
21:48 q66              also i think i've seen your nick somewhere outside irc already
21:48 q66              but i can't recall where
21:49 harrison         01,09mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe
21:49 harrison         01,09                                   _        internet insect           .
21:49 harrison         01,09   _ __ ___   ___  _ __ ___   ___ | |__   ___  _ __  _ __   ___  _ __ .
21:49 harrison         01,09  | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|.
21:49 harrison         01,09  | | | | | |  __/| | | | | |  __/| | | | (_) | |_) | |_) |  __/| |   
21:49 kaeza            yey
21:50 VanessaE         eep!
21:50 harrison         mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe
21:50 harrison         _        internet insect           .
21:50 harrison         _ __ ___   ___  _ __ ___   ___ | |__   ___  _ __  _ __   ___  _ __ .
21:50 kaeza            nope
21:50 harrison         | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|.
21:50 harrison         | | | | | |  __/| | | | | |  __/| | | | (_) | |_) | |_) |  __/| |   .
21:50 harrison         |_| |_| |_|\___||_| |_| |_|\___||_| |_|\___/| .__/| .__/ \___||_|   .
21:50 harrison         |_|   |_|               .
21:50 harrison         mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe
21:51 harrison         man
21:51 harrison         memehopper h8
21:52 kaeza            https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/Screenshot%20from%202013-12-19%2018%3A50%3A43.png
21:52 kaeza            harrison, ^
21:52 pitriss          kaeza: hehe I know why i have harrison as ignored:D
21:59 raffahacks       How to kick
21:59 raffahacks       Lol
21:59 raffahacks       Bye
22:00 zsoltisawesome   so q66, how do i help with Octaforge?
22:01 Calinou          if you want to help, you need actual skills
22:01 Calinou          I doubt you have them, honestly
22:01 zsoltisawesome   Calinou: really?
22:01 Calinou          these skills would be: being good at Lua or C/C++, being good at doing art (textures/sounds) or maps
22:01 zsoltisawesome   im good at the last one
22:02 zsoltisawesome   and im decent in Lua
22:02 darkangel_       Am i Ban from VanessaE servival?
22:02 VanessaE         no
22:02 VanessaE         it's down
22:02 darkangel_       ok
22:02 VanessaE         expect recovery in a couple of hours
22:02 VanessaE         because /clearobjects
22:02 VanessaE         blame sapier ;)
22:03 VanessaE         and Sokomine  ;)
22:03 darkangel_       Ima not blaming no 1 here
22:04 Calinou          zsoltisawesome, by maps, we mean good-looking maps, like that one: http://tesseract.gg/complex.jpg
22:04 darkangel_       Ubuntu 14.04 is kick ace very fast stuff =)
22:05 zsoltisawesome   'buntu 12.04 isn't working so well...
22:05 darkangel_       ya ... what kernel ya usin?
22:06 Calinou          http://tesseract.gg
22:06 FreeFull         Arch is working ok for me
22:06 Calinou          the game that OctaForge is based upon
22:06 zsoltisawesome   no
22:07 Calinou          darkangel_, ...and it runs almost 2 year old software
22:07 Calinou          which means a lot of software developers yell at you
22:07 FreeFull         So Tesseract is a fancier Sauerbraten?
22:07 zsoltisawesome   that game is base upon the game that on is based upon
22:07 zsoltisawesome   yes
22:07 Calinou          FreeFull, it's not compatible with Sauerbraten since ~9 months ago
22:08 zsoltisawesome   Calinou: thats a little above my skill level...
22:08 Calinou          it's basically a sauerbraten with tons of rendering improvements, and different, "lightweight" gameplay (2 guns + melee attack, instagib only)
22:08 Calinou          zsoltisawesome, doing a map isn't easy
22:09 Calinou          I've tried doing that today, and I'm pretty fluent with cube 2 mapping... the hardest part is having the ideas, actually
22:09 FreeFull         It'd be nice to have a FPS game based entirely on what Quake Defrag/Racesow plays like
22:09 zsoltisawesome   ya, because it seems everything cool has already been made
22:10 FreeFull         Everything cool has not been made
22:10 zsoltisawesome   i read the Tesseract readme
22:10 zsoltisawesome   im all "YAY, Rift support!"
22:11 kaeza            I still want to see that stereothingy in Minetest :<
22:11 zsoltisawesome   cause im borrowing a Rift from a friend soon
22:11 Calinou          OR is overrated
22:11 iqualfragile     > svn
22:11 zsoltisawesome   is not
22:11 iqualfragile     lelz were hard
22:12 Calinou          FreeFull, Warsow?
22:12 Calinou          tricks play a whole part of the game there
22:12 Calinou          even when not doing race mode
22:12 FreeFull         Calinou: I'd like something entirely about racing though
22:13 Calinou          iqualfragile, they used to use git :P
22:13 FreeFull         With smoother slopesurfing than what you get in Warsow
22:13 zsoltisawesome   whats SVN
22:13 Calinou          smoother slopesurfing? why isn't it smooth?
22:13 Calinou          zsoltisawesome, Subversion. a centralized Version Control System
22:14 zsoltisawesome   is it stupid and hard to use, just like git??
22:14 FreeFull         In Warsow sometimes slopesurfing doesn't work quite right
22:14 Calinou          git isn't hard to use once you learn how to use it; it is also pretty smart
22:15 zsoltisawesome   umm, i just realized something
22:15 zsoltisawesome   this is like way off-topic
22:16 kaeza            off-topic is on-topic on #minetest!
22:17 zsoltisawesome   lol
22:17 zsoltisawesome   == zsoltisawesome [4302a9fb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.2.169.251] has joined
22:17 zsoltisawesome   == leguin.freenode.net set mode +ns #minetest!
22:18 zsoltisawesome   lol
22:21 zsoltisawesome   how does one get "   SDL2 dev package, SDL2_image dev package, SDL2_mixer dev package
22:21 zsoltisawesome   Zlib dev libraries and headers
22:21 zsoltisawesome   LuaJIT 2.0 or higher"
22:21 Calinou          zsoltisawesome, they are not packaged in ubuntu 12.04
22:21 Calinou          another reason not to stick to a LTS...
22:22 Calinou          you will have to get a PPA to get: 1) SDL 2, 2) luajit 2.0
22:22 Calinou          that's two PPAs ;)
22:22 zsoltisawesome   how bout zlib?
22:22 zsoltisawesome   DAMN IT
22:22 zsoltisawesome   IM JUST USING WINE
22:24 * zsoltisawesome slaps zsoltisawesome around a bit with a large trout
22:24 zsoltisawesome   ouch
22:25 Calinou          zlib is in repos
22:25 Calinou          better run native... but you can try doing wine
22:26 * zsoltisawesome can't wait until Octaforge is in the Software Center
22:26 Calinou          will never happen in the near future
22:26 Calinou          I never use the GUI software center personally... I use apt-get :P
22:27 zsoltisawesome   apt-get on 12.04 doesn't work
22:27 Calinou          you broke it in some way
22:27 Calinou          ask in #ubuntu why, but use a pastebin of a log when you try doing "sudo apt-get update"
22:27 Calinou          I gtg night
22:27 zsoltisawesome   by
22:29 zsoltisawesome   i have been reminded how much i hate Linux
22:58 proller          Megaf, ahaha my server beat your!
23:43 VanessaE         thexyz: here?