Time Nick Message 00:07 Sokomine everhill: yes, i think so. harpold did well with that building, even though the server itshelf annoys me a lot (not the people there) 00:10 specing *Ahem* 00:10 specing Could not open file of texture: /home/specing/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png 00:10 specing 01:10:03: ERROR[main]: GUIFormSpecMenu::drawMenu() Draw images unable to load texture: 00:10 specing 01:10:03: ERROR[main]: /home/specing/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png 00:10 specing It is spamming these messages ~10/second 00:11 specing I compiled minetest with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 00:11 specing (making the local checkout use ~/.minetest) 00:14 specing I see this png present in the local checkout 00:14 specing I will symlink for now 00:20 VanessaE happens to me, too 00:20 Exio4 VanessaE: http://exio4.com.ar/private/mtw.ogv 00:22 VanessaE *watches* 00:22 VanessaE this happens to me too 00:22 VanessaE though it's usually less dramatic 00:22 VanessaE artifact of a faster processor, perhaps 00:22 VanessaE or videoor some other damn thing 00:22 VanessaE but the basic effect is the same 00:23 Exio4 my processor isn't that faster than yours 00:23 Exio4 mine is a bulldozer => shitty st performance versus a phenom 00:23 Exio4 a phenom II is about 30% faster at same clock rate iirc 00:23 Exio4 also, your gpu seems to be better than mine, no? 00:24 Exio4 (mine is a low-end GT610) 00:25 specing What program are you people using to record "screen"casts of a specific window on Linux/X11? 00:26 Exio4 i just used recordmydesktop 00:27 NakedFury Prt Scr button 00:27 VanessaE Exio4: Phenom II X6 1055T with a AMD HD6870 video (fglrx driver). 00:27 VanessaE I don't know what you're running, but while my system is fairly beefy, it isn't exactly top-of-the-line 00:28 VanessaE s/with a/with an/ 00:28 NakedFury I use that same card 00:28 Exio4 Bulldozer 6100 with GT610 + nvidia latest blob 00:28 Exio4 6100 = six cores but three FPUs 00:29 NakedFury I have been thinking of upgrading the card but dont know with which. amd or nvidia and which line 00:29 Exio4 you have six "6/10" FPUs and i have a 8/10 FPU but for two cores 00:31 Exio4 what frequency btw 00:31 Exio4 VanessaE: ^ 00:32 VanessaE 2.6 GHz 00:33 VanessaE with rather nice cooler attached (so it's quite happy to run full bore for long durations if I so choose) 00:34 Exio4 2.6*1.3 = 3.4~ ghz 00:34 Exio4 but six real cores 00:34 Exio4 so your system is somewhat better than mine? :D 00:35 VanessaE heh, I guess 00:35 VanessaE still 00:35 VanessaE this is the engine that's supposed to be able to run on any old piece of shit :) 00:38 * Sokomine shows her nice celeron around which does...kind of...have a gpu inside 00:39 Exio4 my system doesn't have an IGP 00:44 specing Im on a 8600 M GT laptop that still chugs along 00:44 specing Can even churn through Xonotic ;) 00:48 specing 01:29 < Exio4> 6100 = six cores but three FPUs 00:48 specing Actually, that is not quite correct ;) 00:48 specing A bulldozer module has two 128-bit FPUs that join into a 256-bit FPU when processing vector floating point :) 00:51 Exio4 yeah 01:02 iqualfragile i am on a Radeon HD 7870 01:02 iqualfragile but everything is slow as fuck 01:02 iqualfragile that might be due to me using mesa 01:04 Taoki iqualfragile: I use Mesa too, but have a 6870. Don't know how well the free Radeon driver works with 7xxx series 01:04 iqualfragile yes, mesa is great for the 6xxx series 01:04 iqualfragile there was a huge improvement for the 7xxxx in mesa 10, but its still not top notch 01:05 Exio4 Feels like 29° 03:23 Exio4 lies, it is like 35°C 03:23 Exio4 D: 03:23 Hirato !weather 03:23 Hirato awh 03:23 Hirato oh well, it's 38 in perth :P 03:23 VanessaE redcrab's server predates the existence of finite liquids 03:23 Hirato do new servers work fine? 03:24 VanessaE yep 03:24 Hirato heh, some sort of 'network fix" sounds like the likely source 03:24 Hirato it is loading, it just takes really long to load anything 03:25 Hirato it's doing alright now that is got started 03:39 Exio4 i'm out 03:42 Hirato VanessaE: as far as I cna tell, it jsut takes a few minutes to start loading blocks, but once it does, it's fine 03:43 VanessaE "a few minutes" is patently unacceptable I think 03:43 VanessaE sadly, exio called it right... something about kahrl's httpfetch commit broke it... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6581646/ 03:43 Hirato at least you've got two to run around in 03:46 Hirato Hmm... 03:46 Hirato I'm guessing a packet isn't being sent properly to initialise block load 03:47 VanessaE right 03:47 Hirato TOSERVER_RECEIVED_MEDIA? need some logs 03:48 VanessaE at this point I let the folks in -dev handle it 05:02 * NekoGloop gives VanessaE a cookie 06:40 VanessaE NekoGloop: heh 06:41 VanessaE check out the latest changes to gloopblocks. you may like. 06:50 NekoGloop I see nothing too special 06:51 VanessaE just local-izing some variables 06:51 VanessaE == faster, better code :) 06:51 NekoGloop other than you fixing me being a total idiot 06:51 VanessaE lol 07:03 VanessaE oh well fine :( 08:55 hoodedice Sup peeps 09:26 Exio4 VanessaE: downloading 25mb is still 30~ minutes here :P 09:27 VanessaE no cURL? 09:27 Guest81453 Good morning all; happy Day of Reconciliation! :-D 09:27 VanessaE oh right 09:28 VanessaE no high speed connection 09:28 VanessaE hi Guest---er...JamesTait :) 09:28 VanessaE (or however you spell it :) ) 09:28 Guest81453 Heheh. :) 09:28 Exio4 with curl 09:28 Exio4 at max-speed! 09:28 Guest81453 Yes, it looks like we've had problems again. 09:31 VanessaE Exio4: ouch. get a better connection :) 09:31 VanessaE I'm glad I have broadband :) 09:36 Exio4 i will 09:36 Exio4 not now cuz atm i can't have a better network (without having 300ms+ latency) here 09:39 VanessaE 300ms latency is ..tolerable. 09:40 VanessaE after all, minetest players routinely deal with fifty times that amount :) 09:40 Hirato lol 09:40 Hirato oh man... I don't want to imagine 20second latency in sauerbraten 09:40 Exio4 VanessaE: it isn't tolerable 09:41 Hirato just wondering, do you guys transparently compress network traffic with zlib or something? 09:41 Exio4 my actual latency to europe is about 250ms 09:41 Hirato I imagine quite a bit of bandwidth can be saved when transmitting full blocks 09:41 Exio4 it isn't tolerable, with a better network it would be about 450~ 09:42 Hirato 500ms+ is perfectly tolerable with cube 2 games :p 09:42 Hirato the important thing there isn't ping, but the consistency of it :p 09:43 VanessaE Hirato: no, it's raw, afaik 09:43 Hirato lol 09:43 VanessaE realtime compression would be even worse 09:43 Exio4 why? 09:43 VanessaE Exio4: be....cause the server is already slow enough as it is? 09:43 VanessaE besides, 09:44 VanessaE compression over a network connection isn't really beneficial these days is it? 09:44 Hirato realtime compression doesn't add that much overhead 09:44 Exio4 you aren't compressing 1gb every second 09:44 Hirato since you're only applying it to a few things, like loading the 16x16x16 blocks 09:44 VanessaE aren't pretty much all network streams already compressed? 09:44 Exio4 that is app-dependant 09:44 VanessaE Exio4: true 09:45 VanessaE Exio4: I mean at the protocol layer, not at the application layer 09:45 Exio4 exactly 09:45 VanessaE e.g. at ethernet and below 09:45 Exio4 nothing is compressed 09:45 VanessaE huh 09:45 Exio4 that is at the application layer 09:45 VanessaE I figured everything was anymore 09:45 VanessaE oh, ok 09:45 VanessaE terminology mixup 09:45 Exio4 (i mean, the compression) 09:45 VanessaE (to me, application layer is what rides on top of the driver and kernel) 09:45 Exio4 yeah 09:46 Exio4 you used them right 09:46 Exio4 i'm saying the compression is at the app layer :P 09:46 VanessaE hardware -> firmware -> protocol e.g. ethernet -> kernel -> driver -> application e.g. web browser 09:46 VanessaE that's how I always viewed it 09:47 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model 09:51 VanessaE about the same 09:52 VanessaE you know me, oldskool. 09:52 VanessaE I'm perpetually stuck in the old days, when the kernel, driver, and firmware were usually all blended into one :) 09:53 VanessaE it was hardware -> kernel -> application and you were lucky if the kernel handled anything other than basic handshaking with said hardware :) 09:55 xyz|imaginary Hirato: I think blocks are compressed 09:55 xyz|imaginary this doesn't help 09:55 xyz|imaginary because well 09:55 VanessaE ah, he speaks 09:55 xyz|imaginary just read the source and you will see 09:55 xyz|imaginary the Server::AsyncRunStep 09:56 xyz|imaginary it's like 09:56 xyz|imaginary single threaded to hell, [almost] everything is done in that poor thread 09:58 VanessaE oops 09:58 VanessaE single-threaded all to hell 09:59 VanessaE I think I could vouch for that. 09:59 * VanessaE withholds specifics as she will most likely be wrong in all respects 10:00 Hirato lol 10:03 xyz|imaginary an example 10:04 VanessaE sign-on lag? 10:04 VanessaE no, way wrong 10:04 VanessaE :P 10:05 VanessaE oops, screwed up the fake formatting :) 10:06 xyz|imaginary no, I'm not that into the code 10:06 xyz|imaginary but it looks like that when Lua is run, for example, connection waits 10:06 xyz|imaginary well, not really waits, there's a separate connection thread 10:07 xyz|imaginary but while lua is run you can't do anything else; like there's a peer to which you really want to send a block to 10:08 Exio4 yeah, because lua can access new blocks and so on 10:08 Exio4 everything gets locked when lua runs 10:09 VanessaE xyz|imaginary: indeed so. I understand that to be part of the so-called "big environment lock" hmmmm has talked about 10:09 xyz|imaginary meh, it's not that easy to explain, just read the code 10:09 xyz|imaginary Exio4: it's not really like that 10:10 Exio4 yeah 10:10 xyz|imaginary there's envlock for sure but also the server is totally single threaded (apart from emerge stuff I think) 10:10 xyz|imaginary and connection 10:10 Exio4 everything gets locked or doesn't even run when lua runs* 10:10 Exio4 happy now? 10:10 Exio4 ;P 10:12 VanessaE me? read the code? O.o 10:12 VanessaE you want me to go insane? 10:12 VanessaE (short trip, I know) 10:12 * Exio4 throws a C++ compiler at VanessaE's head 10:13 * VanessaE ducks 10:13 VanessaE the compiler wedges into kaeza's head 10:15 xyz|imaginary Exio4: not everything 10:15 xyz|imaginary there's a thread which sends and receives packets 10:16 xyz|imaginary but server can't process them and reply while anything else is run, obviously 10:18 xyz|imaginary but that's easy to fix; you can do! 10:19 xyz|imaginary remove all locks! spawn teh threads! 10:19 xyz|imaginary (fix all errors) 10:19 xyz|imaginary well the last part is just a bit harder but I believe in you 10:21 VanessaE REMOVE ALL THE LOCKS! 10:21 VanessaE -=>> "\ :D/ <<=- 10:22 xyz|imaginary FREE MINETEST! REMOVE ALL THE LOCKS! 10:23 VanessaE remove _all_ the locks? ,0~0 10:24 VanessaE (that second one is harder to render in ASCII than it looks :P ) 10:24 xyz|imaginary that's the only way to be truly free 10:24 xyz|imaginary without any locks 10:25 Exio4 free? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHSFTRUekT0 10:25 Exio4 !title 10:25 MinetestBot Exio4: John Lennon - Free As A Bird (Original) - YouTube 10:51 VanessaE hey proller 10:54 Hirato Down with locks! long live futexes! 10:54 Hirato or something 10:54 VanessaE (how's that for sign-on lag? ;) ) 10:58 reactor o/ 10:58 reactor ShadowNinja: it was lag, yes. 11:06 proller VanessaE moo 11:06 VanessaE meow 12:07 thexyz guys 12:07 thexyz guys 12:07 thexyz they're going all out 12:07 VanessaE ? 12:07 thexyz https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicono.zombie 12:08 VanessaE heh 12:08 VanessaE and that's a dead game 12:08 VanessaE Dan left minetest, pulled a j4i 12:08 thexyz why? 12:08 VanessaE long story. 12:08 thexyz shit I'm so butthurt right now 12:09 thexyz ah 12:09 VanessaE short version: couldn't be bothered to fix a copy&paste error he caused while acepting a bugfix. 12:09 thexyz I read it somewhere 12:09 VanessaE got banned when he tried to violate the forum rules about blanking first posts. 12:09 VanessaE same old routine,. 12:09 thexyz anyway 12:09 VanessaE anyways 12:09 thexyz this has to stop 12:10 thexyz dmca the hell out of them 12:14 VanessaE I suppose I could bitch about the animated torches... :P 12:14 * VanessaE is in give-up mode right now 12:16 Exio4 what the fuck? 12:16 VanessaE ? 12:23 VanessaE ok, I'm out. bbl. 12:26 reactor 1o/ 12:26 reactor oops 12:26 reactor o/ 12:31 MegafAtWork Hi all, is anything wrong with http://servers.minetest.net/ ? 12:31 MegafAtWork I noticed there are less servers that used to be there 12:32 MegafAtWork And I updated my server to the lastest master branch of today and it doesnt show there anymore 12:32 MegafAtWork !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 12:32 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (527ms) 12:32 MegafAtWork 12:20:38: ACTION[ServerThread]: announcing to servers.minetest.net 12:42 MegafAtWork sfan5: ShadowNinja: Any idea? 12:58 thexyz VanessaE: what's with animated torches? 13:06 MegafAtWork Well, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 13:08 MegafAtWork sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 13:08 sfan5| sfan5|* 13:09 hoodedice morning people 13:09 sfan5| umm 13:09 hoodedice good evening sfan5| 13:10 sfan5| MegafAtWork, "URL perimee: merci de n'utiliser que les codes forunis par zimagez pour afficher vos images stockees sur zimagez' 13:12 MegafAtWork ok 13:12 hoodedice *français* 13:13 MegafAtWork sfan5|: fixed 13:13 MegafAtWork hoodedice: not that hard to understand 13:14 MegafAtWork it says , URL something: Thanks something using something the codes something something zimagez somtheing something your images stored in zimagez 13:15 hoodedice lemme see: Please de not use que the code forunis par zimages for afficher vos images stockees sur zimages 13:15 hoodedice All translated from memory 13:15 MegafAtWork now, put our two translations toguether 13:16 hoodedice Hmm, some zimages is not to be used in place of some other zimages 13:16 sfan5| 'URL forbidden: please use the forum codes from Zimagez for your images sroted in zimagez' ? 13:16 hoodedice Makers Sense. 13:16 sfan5| stored* 13:17 MegafAtWork I changed the code they gave me, that's what they are complaining about 13:17 hoodedice lolwut? 13:17 MegafAtWork Now I put the actual code back 13:17 sfan5| MegafAtWork, what does it show after 'Announcing to serverlist' 13:17 MegafAtWork sfan5|: nothing 13:17 hoodedice And I thought sfan5 was German. 13:18 MegafAtWork he is 13:18 sfan5| and no, I'm not learning france in school 13:18 MegafAtWork a lot of the modern English language came from French and old English from German 13:19 sfan5| s/france/french/ 13:19 MegafAtWork and my native language is Brazilian Porguese, so I can understand some French and very little German 13:19 sfan5| MegafAtWork, https://gist.github.com/sfan5/5494405 try that 13:20 hoodedice And from Arabic too. Kinda surprising how many English words have Arab roots 13:20 sfan5| make sure you install the curl command line utility 13:42 harrison Baba ghanoush, Couscous, Falafel, Fattoush, Halva, Hummus, Kibbeh, Kebab, Lahmacun, Shawarma, Tabouleh, Tahini, Za'ata..... 13:42 harrison otton, damask, gauze, macrame, mohair, & muslin 13:42 Peacock one helluva christmas buffet you're setting up there 13:43 harrison azedarach, bellerica, cubeba, emblica, galanga, metel, turpethum, and zedoaria. 13:43 harrison arabic roots in english 13:43 harrison [07:33:32] And from Arabic too. Kinda surprising how many English words have Arab roots 13:43 harrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Arabic_origin 13:43 reactor I wouldn't use those as root password, harrison. 13:44 Hirato baba ghanoush is the hooch that we've been looknig for 13:44 Peacock those words are probably on a no-fly list then :P 13:44 harrison that was either the worst pun or the best suggestion of the morning 13:44 thardin baba ghanoush = good 13:44 harrison The Italian botanist Prospero Alpini stayed in Egypt for several years in the 1580s. He introduced to Latin botany from Arabic from Egypt the names Abrus, Abelmoschus, Lablab, Melochia, each of which designated plants that were unknown to Western European botanists before Alpini, plants native to tropical Asia that were grown with artificial irrigation in Egypt at the time. 13:44 Hirato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAJ2ETqeU58 13:45 Peacock lol why do you keep posting chunks of wikipedia? 13:45 harrison As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (January 25, 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do. 13:46 Peacock doesn't explain the walls of text :P 13:46 Hirato walls of text originated from English p.o 13:47 Peacock the most efficient trolling we get around here is people asking really dense questions, because you can never tell if they're serious or not lol 13:49 Hirato so how do I make a Lua mod that injects Lua into other mods? 13:49 Peacock How do i internet? 13:50 * Hirato resigns 13:50 Peacock lol 13:50 thexyz what is the speed of lua 13:50 Peacock lol even better 13:51 Peacock can i use javascript for mods XD 13:52 LazyJ Something seems amiss with the server announce /public server list in MT. 13:52 LazyJ VanessaE 13:52 Peacock yar, there be a thread on ye olde forums about it, matey 13:52 LazyJ VanessaE's server aren't listed and ours isn't showing up either. 13:52 LazyJ Recent thread or an old one? 13:52 Peacock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 13:53 Peacock Megaf's having probs too 13:53 LazyJ Ah, thanks for the link. 13:53 Peacock i guess that timeout annoyance has been upgraded to a fullblown bug :/ 13:53 LazyJ I'll add to it. Maybe it will help others as the come across this too. 13:53 Peacock either that or the list server is having difficulties 13:54 LazyJ A bug? In Minetest? Nahhh..... ;0) 13:55 Peacock well without knowing the cause it's even odds client or list server lol 13:55 LazyJ Yeah, gotta love those needle-in-a-haystack problems. 13:55 reactor Иецю 13:55 reactor Btw. 13:55 Peacock not really needle, the problems' recent so you don't have to go back far in the commit log 13:55 reactor VanessaE: last time I tried //rotate and //orient, they didn't work well. 13:56 reactor I mean, I still can't rotate the whole buildings. 13:57 Peacock rotate must be a bitch with facedir nodes + vmanip 13:57 Peacock unless that's changed recently 14:00 reactor I wish someone reverse-engineered Minecraft for those. 14:01 Peacock well the math is the same and pretty basic, it's the methods that are different, not at all the same engines we're dealing with 14:06 sfan5 meow 14:06 sfan5 I'm back 14:06 Peacock when my cat meows, she usually wants cat treats :P 14:06 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Peacock's head 14:06 * reactor gives sfan5 some poison 14:06 reactor Now you're Schroedinger's. 14:07 * sfan5 throws the poison at reactor 14:07 reactor Because it says on the label: kills with 50% probability. 14:07 * reactor sparks 14:07 * Hirato turns into a kitten and sits on Peacock's head 14:07 Peacock well with 50% chance of being alive or dead, there's a good change 2 of the previous 4 sfans' will still be alive 14:07 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Hirato's head 14:07 reactor Please refrain from jjjj jj jj jj jjj 14:07 sfan5 lol 14:07 sfan5 I got 50 dogecoin 14:07 Peacock refrain from abrams? 14:08 reactor ЙЙЙЙЙйййЙЙError reading /dev/ra1: drive offline. 14:08 Hirato silly nuclear reactors not using any protection 14:08 sfan5 I got 50 dogecoin and 319 comment karma 14:09 reactor No. Silly test subjects throwing the neurotoxin back at me. 14:09 reactor I'm fine. 14:09 Peacock btc's still trading around 800$ US 14:09 thexyz dogecoin is spreading too fast 14:10 Peacock i wonder what the rapid proliferation of altcoin is going to do to the value 14:10 thexyz TIME TO MINE 14:10 reactor Are those coins using useful computations, at last? 14:10 reactor Or still like Bitcoin bullshit? 14:11 Peacock what like SETI@home? 14:11 thexyz what useful computations? 14:11 reactor Protein folding? 14:11 reactor Etc? 14:11 thexyz can any useful computation be used as proof-of-work? 14:11 reactor You're wasting electricity and processing power mining for that bullshit. 14:12 reactor Not producing anything. 14:12 thexyz you do 14:12 thexyz you secure transactions 14:12 thexyz if you fail to understand the importance of it then you don't understand how bitcoin works 14:12 reactor But you don't produce any material good. 14:13 blubblubb you facilitate transactions 14:13 thexyz what is "material good"? 14:13 reactor When you print money, you have to mine for gold. 14:13 Peacock i wouldn't waste time mining btc myself, cost outweights value now, but if they crashed, i might buy a small amount for shits and giggles 14:13 reactor (not necessarily, though) 14:13 reactor Gold is material. 14:14 Peacock reactor gold standards' been out since ww2 14:14 reactor I understand. 14:14 Peacock or nixon depending where 14:16 reactor Uh. I have an idea. 14:16 reactor If... governements can freely issue money now, why can't they take the liberty of issuing bitcoin, instead of letting people waste electricity then? 14:17 reactor Why not let some authority issue them, like usual money? 14:17 thexyz lol 14:17 thexyz please stop trolling and go read something about bitcoins 14:17 reactor If those computations were of any sense, I wouldn't mind. But that's just bloody hashes of hashes, not meaning anything! 14:17 reactor I'm not trolling. It's a waste. 14:18 reactor It may be a good currency, but the way it's ussued is bullshit. 14:18 thexyz if you aren't then you don't understand how it works 14:18 thexyz and should go and read some article on it anyway 14:18 thexyz and then you probably will understand why your point is invalid 14:20 Peacock you dont issue bitcoins you mine em, the gov't would practically have to start over, after destroying the current stock 14:20 Peacock though theres nothing stopping gov'ts from using all their computer resources to mine them 14:20 Peacock some sneaky bastards already use botnets or sneak miners into innocuous apps 14:23 VargaD_ gold isn't more useful on it's own than a bitcoin 14:24 Peacock not true either, more entities will accept gold in exchange for goods 14:26 VargaD that may change in the future 14:27 hoodedice sup peeps 14:31 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix MSVC compiling issue c9ac9992c7 2013-12-15T16:13:08-08:00 http://git.io/igv8AA 14:32 Peacock VargaD doubtful, solar flares, nuclear war, EMP, anything that takes down large swathes of the network, and digital currencies are gone, but gold remains. sure more places will accept digital coins in the future, but i doubt ittl ever surpass gold 14:33 Peacock you can't physically take btc's with you, and in a world where pedos and hackers are denied computer access, you need currency you can access 14:34 sfan5 >hackers denied computer access 14:34 sfan5 wat 14:34 VargaD then weapons are the best currency, you can always use/trade it to anything 14:34 sfan5 you mean the shopkeeper magically knows you're a hacker and doesn't sell you one 14:36 Hirato Big Hacker is tracing oyu 14:36 sfan5 with a visual basic GUI i suppose 14:38 Hirato wyh noy 14:38 Peacock well they don't get to use home computers at the very least, try doing all your btc stuff in a cafe 14:39 Peacock though hackers and pedos are just two examples, im pretty sure in future they'll find more reasons to deny certain types (pirates) computer access as well 14:40 sfan5 Peacock: how the f**k should your local startbucks know that your are a hacker and deny you wifi access 14:40 specing Anyone else feels like the forum search is completely useless? 14:40 Hirato chip implants under the skin 14:40 Hirato these will of course be required for citizenship 14:41 Hirato detecting any lifeforms witohut said chip is cause for immediate liquidation 14:42 Peacock i didn't say they'd deny access at starbucks, but public terminals are usually pretty locked down 14:43 Peacock though who knows, in the future we may have to get internet surfing licenses like we do driver's licenses (the same way our grandparents *didn't* need drivers licenses in their time) 14:44 thexyz f**k <3 14:44 thexyz w*y d* y*u t**e l**e t**s 14:44 iqualfragile thexyz: you love to fuck? 14:45 thexyz wow you sure know how to begin a conversation 14:45 iqualfragile :D 14:46 iqualfragile ;) 14:46 Peacock why do you t**e l**e this - can i buy a vowel? 14:46 Hirato why didn't you stop them, thexyz 14:46 thexyz who? 14:56 Peacock well, i dont mind the free heating, but the air gets so dry in here :( 14:58 specing Peacock: they already have that in china 14:58 Exio4 what temp? 14:58 Peacock 24c, windows been open for about an hour now lol 15:00 thexyz lol 15:01 thexyz now I made it so that if adblock is detected the font is changed to comic sans ms 15:01 thexyz on my lil webpage 15:01 Peacock you could always just block adblock enabled browsers like some websites do with cookies 15:01 thexyz no, this is against my ad provider policy 15:02 Peacock you cant block adblock, that sucks 15:02 thexyz and this way I'll have so much fun reading bugreports 15:02 thexyz yeah 15:02 thexyz a bit 15:02 Exio4 i haz adblock cuz half of the ADs are fucking annoying 15:02 Peacock i dont suppose blocking it for any other reason would make a difference 15:03 Exio4 but there isn't a real "annoying ads blocker" 15:03 Peacock could do the opposite, design key parts of the site to be blocked by adblock lol 15:03 thexyz adblock is evil and kills the internet and you know it 15:03 thexyz Peacock: that's what nyatorrents did 15:03 thexyz the button to download torrent file was blocked 15:03 Peacock haha, if it works 15:04 reactor 20:22 < reactor> Why don't you tell me what I am missing, so I don't have to guess? 15:04 reactor 20:22 < reactor> I'm pretty sure I've seen the Wikipedia article some time ago. 15:04 thexyz but then adblock has a filter to reverse-block this 15:04 reactor thexyz: ^ 15:04 VargaD they protect us againt chipping: http://www.angels-heaven.org/english/default_0c_en.htm 15:04 thexyz reactor: what exactly? you can't use anything useful as proof-of-work if that's what you want to ask 15:04 thexyz reactor: but if you find a way I'm sure you can create a new currency and earn a lot of money 15:05 Peacock so you're only choice is to pay adblock? sounds like a protection racket 15:05 Peacock *your 15:05 thexyz proof-of-work should be easily verifiable and not reusable 15:06 thexyz reactor: ^ 15:06 thexyz Peacock: yes, that's true 15:06 thexyz that's why I'm saying it kills the internet 15:06 Peacock i wonder if TPB pays adblock, their popups always appear 15:07 Peacock well to be fair, ad prices went way down after the dotcom burst, adblock came along after that 15:07 Peacock besides advertising isn't worth shit if no one's buying 15:07 thexyz adsense still delivers 15:07 thexyz indeed 15:07 specing the internet should be purged of ads, period 15:08 thexyz another person who don't understand how things work 15:08 thexyz oh well 15:09 Peacock well without ads, so many free software sites would have to rely on donations alone, but since alot of those people think everything should be free (inc. hosting), i wouldn't count on that working out either 15:09 Exio4 annoying ads are the ones that should die 15:10 thexyz oh wow that's happening already 15:10 thexyz lol 15:13 sfan5 I would need about 85071442444659062456468216540107 ATtiny13's (at 20MHz) to crack an xtea encrypted block by brute force 15:17 Taoki Is minetest.get_node a slow function? Does it hurt server CPU if it's used frequently? 15:18 Taoki **an expensive function rather 15:18 Peacock meh, WE got by using it thousands of times in one go 15:18 Peacock so depends how much :P 15:18 Taoki Ok. I might add a loop that uses it 6 times per 0.5 second 15:18 thexyz Taoki: if you need to get many nodes better use voxelmanip 15:19 Peacock ^ depends what youre doing with the nodes 15:19 thexyz if they're inside a parallelepiped 15:19 Taoki I need to determine if a water source touches other water sources 15:19 Taoki get_nodes_in_radius with 1 sadly gets diagonals as well, and doesn't work 15:19 Peacock that could work with vmanip 15:19 Taoki ok 15:20 thexyz but will there be a performance increase? 15:20 thexyz better benchmark it 15:20 Taoki BBL 15:20 thexyz 6 times isn't much btw 15:20 thexyz just use your usual get_node 15:20 Taoki ok, sounds good to me too 15:20 Peacock you cant do things like access metas with vmanip though, not sure about changing node properties like param1/param2 either 15:20 thexyz or at least I hope it's not much 15:39 sfan5 netsplit! 15:40 iqualfragile yay! 15:40 Peacock no sprinkles :( 15:49 Peacock gotta love google/youtube translate : "WHERE TO YOUR NOSE CHOSETE ........ YOU ARE ON YOUR KAVATZES interested " 15:54 sfan5 http://www.loadingartist.com/2013/12/16/my-best-friend/ 16:24 Jordach \o/ netsplit 16:29 Jordach ohai 16:30 * Jordach pokes sfan5 16:30 * sfan5 throws a kitten at Jordach 16:30 Jordach enjoying my mass progress :P 16:31 sfan5 yes 16:35 Jordach wow 16:35 Jordach playing my creative world space map and we found 2 nyan cats 16:37 reactor Same problem here. 16:37 reactor They keep spawning even if you use "singlenode" as worldgen. 16:37 reactor I encountered that a lot when porting Pripyat. 16:38 korr_ lol keeps getting better and better: Bogus Mandela interpreter Thamsanqa Jantjie involved in ‘necklacing’ ‘mob justice’ killing of two men burned to death, friends say 16:38 reactor Speaking of which. Is there no one else I could pass the map on to? 16:53 iqualfragile netsplitparty 16:53 thexyz wait for chanserv to netsplit then we can have a real party 16:56 iqualfragile or nickserv 16:56 iqualfragile its fun when nickserv netsplits 16:56 iqualfragile happens sometimes at euirc 16:57 MegafAtWork Hi everyone 16:57 MegafAtWork VanessaE: ping 16:59 thexyz yes all those hacks to make irc work somehow 17:00 MegafAtWork IRCs works nice 17:00 thexyz yes no 17:01 thexyz it works but definitely not nice 17:02 thexyz the protocol is missing some basic features like auth 17:02 thexyz and every server has its own implementation, nickserv being the most common (no proof, may be false) 17:02 thexyz which still differ 17:03 thexyz also you can't have a single account to access all networks 17:03 thexyz well, that's basic stuff which I was whining about already 17:03 MegafAtWork not the protocol fault 17:04 MegafAtWork and not a fault at all 17:04 MegafAtWork it's a feature 17:04 MegafAtWork it gives you all freedom do implement things just like you want 17:04 MegafAtWork the protocol is grat for chating, sending simple messages to people 17:04 MegafAtWork and all networks are not linked togueter 17:05 thexyz lol 17:05 thexyz sure, feature 17:05 thexyz they don't have to be linked 17:05 thexyz see xmpp 17:05 thexyz MegafAtWork: how can i implement newlines? 17:05 thexyz i really miss them 17:05 thexyz every time I paste a log this bot kicks me 17:05 thexyz because irc cannot newlines 17:06 MegafAtWork http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/WindowsLiveWriter/not%20a%20bug-a%20feature.jpg 17:06 thexyz well that's definitely not a bug, just a protocol limitation 17:06 thexyz but calling it a feature is stupid, I think 17:07 MegafAtWork That was a joke 17:08 thexyz it's sometimes hard to distinguish a joke from fanatism 17:08 thexyz especially since you can say stupid things and then tell me it all was a joke 17:08 thexyz that's unfair ;( 17:08 MegafAtWork sfan5: Really, thanks for your time in making that patch, But I can't use it =/ 17:08 iqualfragile patch? 17:09 MegafAtWork iqualfragile: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 17:09 iqualfragile keh 17:10 sfan5 MegafAtWork: program output? 17:11 MegafAtWork I posted here > https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122220#p122220 17:12 Jordach thexyz, would you really like a non-free network that you must pay for 17:12 Jordach eg, just one network that YOU and OTHERS can only access 17:13 iqualfragile Jordach: wtf? 17:14 sfan5 MegafAtWork: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122222#p122222 17:14 Jordach [17:03:24] well, that's basic stuff which I was whining about already 17:14 specing Is there a command that will list all the mods used by the server? 17:14 MegafAtWork specing, yes, /mods 17:17 MegafAtWork Ok, compiling 17:18 thexyz Jordach: no, why would I? 17:19 specing Is there a way to send /mods output to stdout? 17:20 specing I only see it in game 17:20 Jordach \o/ Love2D 0.9.0 installs thingy 17:20 Jordach luaJIT* 17:23 MegafAtWork well, I give up, I'm jus gonna wait for a working build... 17:24 korr_ ugh, must brave the cold to get wife's cold meds, think i'll make a tiny detour to the off-license (for the vitamins...) ;) 17:25 korr_ wtf, i think i gots netsplitted :( 17:31 MegafAtWork sfan5: So, how is that happening? I mean, Why is it failing to "talk" to servers.minetest.net? 17:31 sfan5 MegafAtWork: dunno 17:39 Jordach sfan5, ported from 0.8.0 to 0.9.0 http://i.imgur.com/mt90qEe.png 17:40 rubenwardy Hi all! 17:40 rubenwardy lol 17:40 * Jordach is building minetest in 2d with love2d 17:40 sfan5 Jordach: nice 17:41 Jordach sfan5, the map scrolls 17:41 sfan5 MegafAtWork: what does it say with the patch applied? 17:42 rubenwardy a LUA game engine :O 17:42 thexyz better use live2d <3 17:42 zash rubenwardy: careful, the #lua people will hunt you down 17:42 rubenwardy Lua is good for scripting, but for coding a game????? 17:43 thexyz why not? 17:43 thexyz see, we're already moving everything from minetest core into lua 17:43 zash thexyz: \o/ 17:44 iqualfragile lua cant even multithread 17:44 AndrewPH YOU can't even multithread 17:44 AndrewPH >:c 17:44 zash threads are evil 17:45 zash There's coroutines tho 17:45 Hirato_ Lua can multithread, it just needs support in the engine for it 17:45 Hirato_ and well.... giant can of worms 17:45 Jordach :> https://www.love2d.org/wiki/love.thread 17:45 Jordach suck it rubenwardy 17:45 zash There's also LuaLanes 17:45 Jordach -rubenwardy + iqualfragile 17:46 rubenwardy huh? 17:46 rubenwardy Lua is good, just not for programming 17:46 rubenwardy for scripting 17:46 rubenwardy (fine difference) 17:46 Jordach bullshit 17:46 Jordach BULLSHIT. 17:46 zash Lua works great. 17:46 rubenwardy Worse than Java for coding 17:46 Jordach my 10000 block area generates in an INSTANT 17:46 * Jordach plans on ramping it to 50000 17:47 rubenwardy Its 2d 17:47 Jordach rubenwardy, still faster than minetest's routines 17:47 Jordach and we have LuaJIT 17:47 rubenwardy ITS 2D 17:47 Jordach it's no different to me using PYGAME. 17:47 Jordach rubenwardy, and 17:47 rubenwardy And it does not appear to use noise 17:47 rubenwardy Just random 17:48 Jordach rubenwardy, will be fixing that soon 17:48 rubenwardy yeah yeah 17:48 Jordach i'm using the identical engine to what i used in my Landgen 10.1 17:48 Jordach and it fits within 200 lines of code 17:48 Jordach (smaller than my scratch project infact) 17:49 rubenwardy I like Lua, i just would never use it to program anything other than mods, content or small stuff 17:49 rubenwardy Anyway, it is not my choice :P 17:49 zash I like Lua, I use it for a almost pure Lua network server. :P 17:50 Jordach rubenwardy, eventually - i will be using LuaSocket for a server instance :P 17:55 thexyz how do you like your GIL in your Lua? 17:56 rubenwardy ? 17:56 Calinou Lua is good, just not for programming 17:56 Calinou for scripting 17:56 Calinou (fine difference) 17:56 Calinou it is a programming language 17:56 thexyz global interpreter lock 17:56 thexyz or does love2d do it right? 17:56 Calinou you can't really differentiate scripting from programming: even Bash is a programming language! ;) 17:57 rubenwardy It is a scripting 17:57 Jordach wat, my tile scrolling works smooth as FUCKING butter with going left, but jitters when going right 17:57 rubenwardy language 17:57 Calinou but you can call it a scripting language too. 17:57 rubenwardy What is the oposite of scripting? 17:57 rubenwardy opposite 17:57 Calinou and if you do that, you should be able to call C a scripting language... 17:57 Peacock jordach, why would you fuck butter? 17:57 Jordach dammit Peacock 17:57 Krock pressing backspace, rubenwardy ;) 17:58 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 17:58 Calinou hi PilzAdam 17:58 Krock hey pilzagam 17:58 Krock damn typos 17:58 Calinou use tab completion 17:58 rubenwardy Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile? 17:58 MegafAtWork Hello PilzAdam 17:58 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 17:58 PilzAdam rubenwardy, yes 17:58 MegafAtWork we need a fix 17:58 thexyz rubenwardy: why? 17:59 rubenwardy Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile? 17:59 thexyz !rainbow Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile? 17:59 MinetestBot 11I2s10 10c10+10+2 7w7r4i3t6t5e3n9 4f11o4r11 9a12 13s3p12e3c10i15a7l2 13r8u6n2-15t6i12m10e3 6e10n4v11i12r3o12n5m12e11n11t10 12t12h6a10t13 9c9a2n14 13i8n5t2e14r10p12r5e7t10 2r9a9t5h9e4r9 3t5h9a6n14 7c12o7m3p10i4l6e12? 17:59 PilzAdam rubenwardy, yes 17:59 thexyz I don't understand this question, sorry 17:59 rubenwardy Is c++ 2written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile? 18:00 Hirato_ only via LLVM, lol 18:00 zash Lua is compiled to bytecode.... 18:00 MegafAtWork !rainbow 1234567 18:00 MinetestBot 4​115​29​35​47​54​610​7 18:00 Krock lol 18:00 PilzAdam rubenwardy, yes 18:00 reactor MinetestBot: you're malfunctioning. 18:00 MegafAtWork !rainbow 01234567 18:00 MinetestBot 14​04​113​23​33​42​53​613​7 18:00 Krock !rainbow malfunctioning 18:00 MinetestBot 10m13a4l12f7u13n10c14t7i15o15n12i14n7g 18:00 Hirato_ ~rainbow this rainbow doesn't look like a rainbow at all :/ 18:00 Hirato_ !rainbow this rainbow doesn't look like a rainbow at all :/ 18:00 MinetestBot 6t15h13i9s5 9r13a10i9n12b2o8w10 13d10o4e3s3n7'10t13 7l5o13o14k13 7l7i12k15e3 12a7 7r13a10i6n15b13o4w9 14a3t13 15a14l14l5 14:13/ 18:01 MegafAtWork !rainbow 01234567 18:01 MinetestBot 3​06​15​26​310​412​511​610​7 18:01 MegafAtWork !rainbow 01234567 18:01 MinetestBot 8​015​114​211​32​46​54​612​7 18:01 MegafAtWork I see what you did there 18:01 Krock !rainbow ​​​test​​​ 18:01 MinetestBot 8​12​11​10t15e13s4t3​11​6​ 18:01 Hirato_ !rainbow botspam 18:01 MinetestBot 3b12o14t8s3p10a7m 18:01 MegafAtWork !rainbow That's a random not true rainbow 18:01 MinetestBot 10T6h3a6t3'10s14 5a3 2r11a14n10d5o3m6 6n4o11t10 14t8r2u5e5 13r5a11i4n9b7o5w 18:01 specing ANy way to save /mods output to stdout? 18:02 MegafAtWork specing: why would you want that? 18:02 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, have you tried sfan5's suggestion? 18:03 MegafAtWork First, that's not a fix, it's a work around 18:03 MegafAtWork Second, yes, I did, and I just can't patch it 18:03 MegafAtWork if I do it by hand I get an error 18:03 PilzAdam I guess you should tell sfan5 about it 18:04 sfan5 MegafAtWork: which error? 18:04 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71218/ 18:04 specing MegafAtWork: so I can get a checklist of mods to install on my own server 18:05 MegafAtWork specing: you could get it from the mods folder 18:05 iqualfragile Jordach: useless without shared data 18:05 sfan5 oh.. right curl was removed 18:05 sfan5 umm 18:05 sfan5 hm 18:05 MegafAtWork specing: I put mods in minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/ 18:05 iqualfragile MegafAtWork: are you crazy? 18:05 iqualfragile or optionaly stupid? 18:05 MegafAtWork iqualfragile: Actually, yes, why? 18:06 iqualfragile mods belon in minetest/mods 18:06 MegafAtWork Just crazy 18:06 MegafAtWork so what? 18:06 MegafAtWork What's the difference? 18:06 MegafAtWork If I put a mod therem it's because I tested it already, and I like it 18:06 MegafAtWork s/therem/there 18:07 sfan5 MegafAtWork: remove the plus at the start of the line 18:07 MegafAtWork compiling it again 18:08 thexyz managed to craft a mese pick on android 18:08 specing MegafAtWork: I don't have access to the mods folder on that server 18:09 thexyz and there goes the bug with different item icons in inventory 18:10 MegafAtWork sfan5: it compiled 18:10 MegafAtWork will it blend? 18:10 sfan5 yes 18:10 MegafAtWork That is the question 18:11 specing So ... Is there a way to have /mods output printed to stdout? 18:12 MegafAtWork sfan5: PilzAdam: still not showing up, http://servers.minetest.net/ 18:12 sfan5 MegafAtWork: output? 18:12 MegafAtWork its name should be TESTING - Megaf Till It Ends 18:13 MegafAtWork sfan5: http://paste.debian.net/71219/ 18:13 sfan5 MegafAtWork: I can't help you then 18:13 sfan5 all the server returned was '{}' 18:13 sfan5 which means it announced correctly 18:13 MegafAtWork well, I'm not the only one with this issue 18:13 sfan5 you should probably tell thexyz that it doesn't work 18:14 MegafAtWork thexyz: It does not work 18:14 MegafAtWork =) 18:14 MegafAtWork And now things got really messy 18:14 MegafAtWork http://servers.minetest.net/ 18:14 MegafAtWork only one server there 18:14 chumchum got problem glitch: When i try to load world it says: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Failed to create socket" and it says this onley whan i try to use minetest 0.4.8 18:15 thexyz I've just reset it 18:16 MegafAtWork oh dear 18:16 MegafAtWork you reset my maximum users online 18:16 thexyz yes that too 18:17 PilzAdam chumchum, do you use IPv6? 18:19 chumchum you mean the world generator IP6 or my pc's IP address? 18:20 MegafAtWork chumchum: IPv6, IP Version 6, IP Address :) 18:21 PilzAdam chumchum, do you try to connect to any server with IPv6? 18:22 chumchum No when i try to load the world from my pc i made it gives me: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Failed to create socket" 18:23 PilzAdam can you set enable_ipv6 and ipv6_server to false in minetest.conf 18:26 thexyz chumchum: what's your OS? 18:26 chumchum vista 18:29 LazyJ Howdy :) minetest.conf question - What is the purpose of server_dedicated = true/false? 18:30 PilzAdam LazyJ, its send to the serverlist 18:32 LazyJ So "true" to send to server list? Or does it mean the computer that is running the Minetest server is or is not dedicated to the sole purpose of running Minetest? 18:34 LazyJ And this isn't listed in the minetest.conf.example either so for a while I thought is was deprecated. 18:36 MegafAtWork specing: also, there is no way to control the server from console/terminal, you gave to be on the actual game 18:36 MegafAtWork thats a huge missfeature for me 18:37 MegafAtWork It would would be cool a really striped down version of minetest, with no GUI at all, just an input thing and a output log 18:37 MegafAtWork so you could enter commands and talk to people online 18:41 chumchum k any help? 18:43 specing MegafAtWork: It is clear to me that minetest authors have never played quake in their life :( 18:44 MegafAtWork heh 18:44 MegafAtWork LazyJ: Ping 18:45 Peacock jesus every year they add more varieties of cold meds 18:46 MegafAtWork Peacock: However, only one actually works 18:46 MegafAtWork Peacock: Time + Watter 18:47 Peacock yeah the one that says "extra strong" lol 18:47 Peacock ever had a wife with the cold? :P 18:47 MegafAtWork Peacock: not a wife yet 18:47 Peacock you are not a wife or you dont have one yet? 18:47 MegafAtWork However I quite live with her 18:47 MegafAtWork I have a girlfriend 18:48 chumchum 0.4.7 works but for some reason 0.4.8 doesn,t 18:48 MegafAtWork Today she has some bad sun burns :P 18:48 Peacock yeah i got that from "live with her" but the previous statement could have meant being or having :P 18:48 MegafAtWork s/:P/=( 18:49 MegafAtWork Peacock: so are you acutally married? 18:50 kahrl specing: I played Digital Paint 2, does that count? 18:50 kahrl also the original doom 18:50 Peacock the state considers us married when you live together for a year, it's been 3 and spare change 18:51 chumchum Lego minecraft products out now XD 18:54 chumchum Why can't i load worlds on my pc using v0.4.8 but v0.4.7 works? 18:56 PilzAdam LazyJ, it means that you run a dedicated server, i.e. running mineteserver without the client 18:57 LazyJ Ah, thanks for the clarification, PilzAdam. :) 19:01 chumchum minetest.conf very confusing 19:01 Peacock it's part of the game, a puzzle if you will :P 19:01 PilzAdam chumchum, not really 19:02 chumchum can't find anything its all jumbled Oglethorpe on my pc 19:02 chumchum woops 19:03 chumchum no spaces between options 19:04 Peacock what i find most confusing is how options are called enable_* and disable_* lol 19:04 PilzAdam there is only one disable_* option 19:04 PilzAdam (the discussion in -dev about naming settings was about that) 19:04 Peacock disable anticheat or rollback? 19:04 Peacock i forget which 19:05 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: get op and do /mode #Minetest +b *!*@91.210.101.* 19:05 MegafAtWork and 19:05 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: get op and do /mode #Minetest +b *!*@91.210.100.* 19:05 MegafAtWork [16:47] == soderm [~soderm@91.210.101.109] has joined #minetest 19:05 MegafAtWork [16:55] == maxzhuk [~maxzhuk@91.210.100.114] has joined #minetest 19:05 Peacock i mean i understand that enable signifies its off by default and disable means it's on, but newbs might not get it as quickly 19:06 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, wat? 19:06 thexyz MegafAtWork: why? 19:06 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: those are bots 19:07 MegafAtWork we are talking about that at #Freeenode 19:07 thexyz they aren't doing anything 19:07 MegafAtWork They are joing a lot of channels, including mine channels, http://paste.debian.net/71231/ 19:07 MegafAtWork thexyz: That's what they want you to think 19:07 thexyz lol 19:08 thexyz and what's the problem? 19:08 thexyz if they aren't doing anything 19:08 PilzAdam oh no! we have programms connecting to channels! freenode will break! 19:08 MegafAtWork I believe there is someone studying the channels looking for holes 19:08 MegafAtWork This happened before... 19:09 MegafAtWork Trust me, I've been using this network for at least 7 years 19:09 thexyz holes? 19:09 Jordach can i suggest enabling +R while freenode is under attack? 19:09 MegafAtWork [17:09] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 12 16:53:46 2006 (7 years, 44 weeks, 1 day, 02:15:17 ago) 19:09 PilzAdam let the ops of freenode kick them from the whole network if they are so threatening 19:09 thexyz well yes, that's freenode's problem 19:09 PilzAdam isnt it kinda stupid to go into all channels and tell the ops to ban them? 19:09 thexyz so let them deal with it 19:10 Peacock freenode is being attacked? by whom, the Ottomans? 19:10 Jordach well 19:10 Jordach the ip ranges match 91.210.xx.xx 19:10 MegafAtWork That's a channel operator problem too 19:10 thexyz how? they don't do anything 19:10 Jordach banning that explicit ip range should help 19:10 MegafAtWork that's what a channel operator is for,,, 19:10 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, thats what an IRC op is for 19:10 PilzAdam isnt it kinda stupid to go into all channels and tell the ops to ban them? 19:10 Peacock if freenode bans a range, it bans for every channel, so the ops dont need to worry about that 19:11 thexyz meh stop saying stupid things :( 19:11 thexyz this annoys me 19:11 thexyz freenode staff is here 19:11 thexyz and if they want us to ban bots then they can broadcast a message 19:11 Jordach thexyz, then volunteer 19:11 thexyz period. 19:11 thexyz Jordach: why? 19:11 Jordach think about it 19:11 Jordach you can then stop complaining like a bitch 19:12 thexyz lol 19:12 thexyz u r so funny man 19:12 Peacock i tried volunteering for the Salvation Army once, they turned me down on the count of my flat feet :( 19:12 thexyz where am I complaining? 19:12 thexyz meh you got so irritating those days 19:12 Peacock opfight 19:12 thexyz I even was thinking about banning you for a week and then saying it was an error 19:12 Peacock lol 19:13 Peacock blame it on UK isp's, they're blocking all sorts of shit 19:13 thexyz I'm not even an op of this channel because of such shitty members of the community 19:13 Peacock lol i can understand that 19:14 thexyz MegafAtWork: your server seems to appear at the list, is the problem gone? 19:14 Peacock 3 years of hardware comparisons and google is evil speeches can drive anyone nuts 19:14 MegafAtWork Peacock: thexyz: You both really like a fight uh? 19:14 MegafAtWork thexyz: Nope, that server is running a build from 12 December 2013 19:14 PilzAdam I'm not even an op of this channel 19:14 Peacock Megaf: naw just intelligent debates :P 19:14 MegafAtWork I couldnt get the todays build to apper that 19:14 Jordach i can still kill you from afar thexyz 19:14 thexyz MegafAtWork: really? I see it on the server list right now 19:15 thexyz Jordach: no you can't 19:15 Jordach /msg ChanServ BAN #minetest thexyz 19:15 thexyz you won't do this 19:15 MegafAtWork thexyz: let me get a clean code from master right now 19:15 PilzAdam isnt there an exception for ops? 19:15 MegafAtWork Jordach: can you please let thexyz help me? 19:15 Jordach MegafAtWork, sure 19:16 MegafAtWork Thanks 19:16 MegafAtWork thexyz: so, I'm downloading the latest source right now 19:16 thexyz it works right now 19:16 MegafAtWork then I will do the sfan5's patch 19:16 thexyz http://servers.minetest.net/ 19:17 thexyz also that guest*** invasion is totally unnice 19:17 MegafAtWork thexyz: that's a build from 4 days ago 19:17 thexyz everyone with android device should report buildcraft and other 2 games 19:18 MegafAtWork thexyz: Ok, pay attention. The that is not working is from today, The Megaf Till It Ends you see there is a build from 4 days ago, that "old" build works 19:18 Jordach thexyz, i complained a while back, and you told me off for shitposting 19:18 Jordach despite I WAS RIGHT. 19:18 MegafAtWork s/The that/ The buid 19:18 thexyz because you weren't complaining but shitposting 19:18 thexyz and still don't understand it. 19:19 Jordach thexyz, i was pointing it out 19:19 thexyz MegafAtWork: oh, so the error only happens with the latest build? 19:19 thexyz of the server 19:20 MegafAtWork thexyz: I noticed it today 19:20 MegafAtWork a 4 days old code works 19:21 Peacock i wouldn't eat it after 5 days though 19:21 MegafAtWork All LazyJ's LinuxGaming.us servers and VanessaE's servers are gone from the list thexyz 19:21 MegafAtWork because they updated today 19:22 MegafAtWork LazyJ: told me hi tried the sfan5 patch but did not work either 19:24 LazyJ I haven't tried sfan5's patch. 19:24 MegafAtWork No? 19:25 MegafAtWork [17:17] I haven't tried sfan5's patch. 19:25 MegafAtWork sorry, my fault 19:25 sfan5 MegafAtWork: my patch works around curl problems 19:25 sfan5 since we don't have curl anymore.. 19:26 sfan5 thexyz: I can't detect buildcraft can I? 19:26 thexyz dunno 19:26 Jordach sfan5, 0.4.7 doesn't work with 0.4.8 19:26 Jordach that's how you know :P 19:26 thexyz probably not 19:26 thexyz check its protocol version and block all clients 19:26 thexyz that have it 19:26 Peacock youd prolly need some sort of get_versionstring thingy in the API 19:27 thexyz (ask them to update) 19:27 thexyz sfan5: why do you want to do that? 19:27 sfan5 I want to know how many of these guest clients on my server are buildcraft 19:27 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: thexyz sfan5 some stuff changed, like, there is not dedicated_server = boolean option anymore, minetestserver just cant create worlds anymore, servers.minetest.net is not working with latest builds 19:27 Peacock or maybe player:get_os()? 19:27 thexyz uh duh 19:28 thexyz sfan5: everyone with guest*** nickname 19:28 sfan5 because this http://pastie.org/private/97ejpqiuxfky74qvpzp5q 19:28 sfan5 (look at the cpu usage column) 19:28 thexyz no, I don't think there's a way to do that 19:28 LazyJ No curl? So when compiling I don't need to add -DENABLE_CURL = 1? 19:28 thexyz well? it just proves minetest server is not the best piece of software made 19:29 sfan5 LazyJ: there is still curl 19:29 sfan5 but httpfetch it a wrapper(?) for it 19:30 sfan5 thexyz: do you think prollers optimisations (that are in freeminer) would help? 19:31 Peacock could try 19:31 MegafAtWork LazyJ: we could try freeminer 19:32 MegafAtWork well, I have no time for that 19:32 MegafAtWork I still have to solve some personal real life bugs and get back to work on my own OS 19:32 Peacock girlfriend segfaulted? 19:33 MegafAtWork Peacock: about to be, some trouble in her work place 19:33 MegafAtWork gotta go and get her 19:34 MegafAtWork cya all 19:34 Peacock coworkers are always alot more pleasant when they don't exist 19:34 thexyz sfan5: they indeed help but the problem is on higher level 19:34 MegafAtWork indeed 19:34 thexyz and this will take longer to fix 19:37 thexyz but you can help it 19:42 sfan5 thexyz: I assume you mean running using valgrind and finding bottlenecks 19:52 thexyz sfan5: no, just rewrite the whole stuff to use threads 19:52 thexyz no need to find bottlenecks 19:52 thexyz it's clear what's wrong 19:52 sfan5 I'll still use callgrind anyway 19:52 Jordach threads are bs thexyz 19:53 Jordach because ARM, x86 19:53 thexyz sfan5: well maybe 19:53 thexyz sfan5: just look at ServerThread::Thread 19:53 thexyz and then Server::AsyncRunStep 19:53 thexyz Jordach: wat 19:54 thexyz sfan5: and then, well, you'll also have to somehow deal with envlock 19:54 thexyz separate it into maplock and friends 19:56 Jordach thexyz, some people still have shitty hardware 19:56 Jordach how about stop pushing latest EVERYTHING 19:56 thexyz and? 19:56 thexyz wat 19:56 thexyz sorry, I can't understand you 19:56 thexyz how are threads related to that? 19:56 Jordach because people still have pentium 4s 19:56 thexyz and? 19:57 thexyz sorry, but you have no idea on what you're speaking about 19:57 Jordach i'm speaking in human readable engrish, you aren't 19:58 * Calinou buys Jordach a pentium 5 19:58 Jordach ha 19:58 Jordach unfortunately, you'd have to buy me a new machine l;) 19:58 Jordach -l 19:58 Calinou how about stop pushing latest EVERYTHING 19:58 thexyz Jordach: so what was your point? 19:58 Calinou it usually doesn't slow down stuff 19:58 thexyz or maybe you're so stupid you don't actually understand what you're talking about 19:59 Jordach Calinou, people still use pentium 4 machines because they're cheap as chips 19:59 Calinou I don't remember the last non-optional feature that slowed things down... 19:59 Jordach i can get one for 40 eurps 19:59 thexyz and it's common to shit on one's grammar when you have nothing better to say, yeah 19:59 Peacock pentium 4 processor is about all that's left working in my old p4 box lol 19:59 Peacock though it was making funny noises this morning watching the Sopranos 20:00 Calinou Jordach, you can get a Celeron G1610 for 40 euros 20:00 Calinou or a Pentium G3220 for 60-65 euros 20:00 Calinou but that's the CPU only... 20:00 Calinou and I've seen used pentium 4 PCs for 40 euros :P 20:00 Jordach Calinou, that's exactly what i mean, except mine happens to be the rare hyperthreaded one with the NX_BIT :p 20:00 Peacock my p4 does that hyperthread bullshit 20:00 Calinou still single core 20:00 Peacock you must have had fun installing linux on that 20:00 Jordach Calinou, e64MT too :P 20:01 Calinou my atom is HT, but single core = slow 20:01 Calinou me too 20:01 Peacock atom n550 or 440? 20:01 Calinou n455 20:01 Peacock lemme check 20:01 Calinou Peacock, HT has no problem on linux here? 20:01 thexyz Jordach: so do you have anything constructive to add? 20:01 Jordach hyperthreads work for me too; htop reports 2 cpus 20:01 sfan5 thexyz: would it improve things to run every part in asyncRunStep in curly braces in a thread 20:01 thexyz or shall I explain why you are wrong? 20:02 thexyz sfan5: well I don't think it's that easy 20:02 Peacock same here 20:02 thexyz you should look at what this stuff locks 20:02 sfan5 thexyz: I did 20:02 thexyz not locks but actually uses 20:02 Peacock well maybe not HT, but the p4 gives me all sorts of weird messages/errors booting up 20:02 thexyz but yeah, basically this 20:02 sfan5 I want to know if I could improve things without that much works 20:02 sfan5 -s 20:03 thexyz sfan5: you can start by splitting AsyncRunStep and Receive 20:03 thexyz I think 20:03 thexyz but then you'll have to change the lock anyway 20:04 thexyz (also better ask hmmmmm) 20:06 thexyz oh he left 20:06 PilzAdam oh he joined 20:06 Jordach don't you just fucking hate closing the wrong window 20:06 thexyz Jordach: stop ignoring me 20:07 Jordach thexyz, nobody gives a shit about ones opinion on the internet, esp. from a 4channer 20:07 PilzAdam Jordach, its not about his opinion 20:07 thexyz sfan5: but I'm afraid you'll have to rewrite hundreds of lines of code just to split asyncrunstep and receive 20:07 thexyz because everything just uses envlock, and everything is designed with envlock in mind 20:08 sfan5 who thought that would be a good idea? 20:09 thexyz Jordach: so do you have anything constructive to add? regarding your bullshit about multithreading? 20:10 Jordach thexyz, threading is only good if people have the ability 20:10 thexyz sfan5: how else would we do it? 20:10 thexyz Jordach: no, this is wrong 20:11 Jordach thexyz, one thread cpus cannot have more than one thread 20:11 sfan5 thexyz: why lock the whole env when only m_clients are accessed 20:11 thexyz Jordach: no, this is wrong too 20:12 thexyz you basically said that we can't launch multiple apps on a single core 20:12 thexyz sfan5: well, that's true but there's more stuff, like map and entities 20:13 thexyz just processing clients usually is fast, isn't it? 20:15 sfan5 wow.. L1 cache misses about ~ 95 % 20:16 Megaf Hi there 20:16 sfan5 hi 20:17 Megaf Peacock, I save my girl 20:17 Megaf saved* 20:17 Peacock made backups? 20:17 Megaf not quite 20:17 Megaf I went there can got her stick with me 20:18 thexyz Jordach: anything else? 20:18 Calinou rm -rf girl 20:18 proller Jordach, my "made in china" phone have 4 cores... 20:18 Jordach you forgot the sudo part 20:18 Megaf Calinou, is good to gave a girl 20:18 * Jordach knows 20:18 Jordach ;) 20:18 Megaf Peacock, and I know that 20:18 Megaf Jordach, knows too :) 20:18 * MinetestBot looks around... 20:19 Calinou proller, most phones are made in china anyway... also some ARM cores are way more efficient than others 20:19 sfan5 Jordach: √phone 20:19 Jordach rooted phone 20:19 Jordach genius :P 20:19 Calinou I went there can got her stick with me 20:19 Calinou what do you mean? 20:19 Megaf My phone is made in Brazil :P 20:19 Megaf Calinou, I have no idea 20:19 * sfan5 cuddles MinetestBot 20:19 Jordach what is this? FirefoxOS? 20:20 Calinou better have a phone made in Isle of Man, by Mark Shuttleworth himself 20:20 iqualfragile sfan5: wtf? why that many chache misses? 20:20 * Jordach takes MinetestBot and hides in #Blender 20:20 sfan5 iqualfragile: dunno, you can usually expect much from intel cores 20:20 iqualfragile indeed 20:20 iqualfragile what did you test? 20:21 sfan5 minetestserver with full load 20:22 sfan5 iqualfragile: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/userdata/1/callgrind.out.15401 20:22 sfan5 open that in kcachegrind 20:22 thexyz Jordach: ok, I guess the argument is over then 20:22 thexyz sfan5: what is this? 20:23 sfan5 thexyz: output from valgrind --tool=callgrind 20:25 zash Does the engine support gravity in whatever direction? I'd like to see a game where you run around on a big ball of blocks held togeather by gravity 20:26 PilzAdam zash, no 20:28 Peacock zash see space enegineers 20:28 Peacock *engineers 20:29 Calinou only downwards (or maybe upwards...) gravity 20:29 Jordach upwards is possible 20:29 zash Peacock: zomg 20:29 Jordach except, good luck trying to go down again :P 20:30 thexyz sfan5: meh a lot of dependencies 20:30 thexyz it wants kdesu for example 20:30 sfan5 maybe there is another tool 20:31 thexyz http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs12/i/2006/299/a/e/Rozen_Maiden___Suiseiseki_by_kuridoki.jpg 20:32 thexyz well does it show anything interesting? 20:33 sfan5 dunno 20:33 sfan5 I don't know whats interesting and what's not 20:33 thexyz ah right 20:33 thexyz let me emerge it then 20:34 Calinou lol, #bitcoin has more people than #ubuntu 20:34 Peacock cant make money with ubuntu :P 20:34 Calinou Jordach, if it was toggleable it could be possible 20:41 thexyz c plus equality repo has got taken down 20:42 iqualfragile thexyz: emerge… hardcorenerd no.1 just revealed himself 20:42 iqualfragile Peacock: outch! 20:42 iqualfragile sfan5: why could that be? is minetest using some cachekilling data structures like hashmaps a lot? 20:42 Peacock im sure shuttleworths' feeling the burn lol 20:42 Peacock and im not talking richard simmons type burns lol 20:44 Megaf Say a number from 192.168.1.3 to 192.168.1.255 20:44 thexyz sfan5: why's your server so slow? 20:44 thexyz 192.168.1.3.14159265 20:44 iqualfragile Megaf: 42, obviously 20:44 Megaf iqualfragile, good choice, thanks 20:45 sfan5 thexyz: because valgrind is slows it down 20:45 sfan5 otherwise it is pretty fast 20:45 sfan5 iqualfragile: not that I know 20:45 Peacock val grinds faster if you tuck a few notes in her knickers 20:47 thexyz sfan5: i mean, download speed 20:47 thexyz max was 100 kb/s or something 20:47 sfan5 oh 20:47 sfan5 I only have upload of 1 Mb/s 20:48 Megaf thexyz, how you measure that on my server? 20:48 thexyz I measure wat? 20:48 Megaf can you see test my upload speed? 20:48 Megaf megaf.minetest.info 20:49 Megaf well, I dont know what are you talking about exactly 20:49 Megaf max was 100 kb/s or something 20:49 thexyz uh? he gave a link to some file 20:49 Megaf ah 20:49 Megaf Ok, sorry 20:49 Megaf I though there was something to do with minetest 20:50 sfan5 Megaf: just quickly set up a http server and add a file that is big enough 20:50 thexyz nah, minetest is slow 20:51 Megaf sfan5, not a good idea, it would lag my players 20:59 pandaro hi all 20:59 Megaf Hi there 21:05 iqualfragile thexyz: in germany its hard to get decently priced symetric connections 21:11 Calinou isn't symetric connection much slower in download<, 21:12 Calinou nah, minetest is slow 21:12 Calinou depends on what you do 21:12 * Jordach grumbles 21:12 thexyz trying to play it 21:12 thexyz when i'm just looking at its icon it of course doesn't feel slow 21:12 Jordach 11 mins until my thing finishes; and my luck is shit (bedtime so it has to wait...) 21:13 Calinou ...not funny 21:15 PilzAdam bye 21:15 thexyz what is? 21:17 thexyz well that's true 21:48 iqualfragile Calinou: depends on which technik is used, for fiber it down and upload are in seperate fibercables so they can not hinder each other 21:48 Calinou talking about ADSL here 21:48 Calinou err, SDSL 21:50 iqualfragile iirc dsl uses seperate frequency bands for up and download, so yes, you would need to split the avivable spectrum 21:54 Miner_48er why are recently updated servers missing from the server list? 22:02 Megaf Miner_48er, nobody knows https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 22:03 sfan5 Megaf: there is a bug that prevents announcing in the latest version 22:03 sfan5 (dev version) 22:04 VanessaE hi 22:05 VanessaE *looks at server list* 22:05 VanessaE *looks at inchra channel* 22:05 Megaf Hi VanessaE 22:05 VanessaE yep, mine are surely up and running okay, despite not announcing :) 22:09 Peacock jesus christ, it's a pain to CSS a file input button lol 22:10 VanessaE so use html? 22:10 VanessaE :) 22:11 Peacock "Choose Files" is the only button that doesn't look like the rest lol 22:11 Peacock html can't do what i did to the others :P 22:12 VanessaE strange, I had no trouble theming the buttons on my website with a bit of javascript + html, but then again they were just anchor links 22:13 Peacock see http://s24.postimg.org/6ecphmjxh/Screenshot_161213_05_12_33_PM.png 22:14 Peacock that one white button is really out of place lol 22:15 VanessaE heh 22:15 VanessaE you trying to re-create LCARS or something? 22:15 VanessaE :) 22:15 Peacock well they wanted scifi lol 22:16 Peacock maybe i could just hide the button 22:18 Peacock though if they dont like that style i made 2 other stylesheets that work with the same JS/PHP so its all good :-) 22:19 VanessaE just have it pop up a dialog when someone clicks on the filename field. 22:19 VanessaE but some people hate that - makes it hard to copy the filename. 22:19 Peacock according to this, i can create a normal form and fake the file input: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6376452/hide-the-browse-button-on-a-input-type-file 22:20 Peacock thank god for stacko., they didn't have that when i started out lol 22:20 VanessaE ikr 22:20 LazyJ Ah-hah! She's awake! 22:20 VanessaE they've saved me more time than I can co...... 22:20 * VanessaE HIDES! 22:20 LazyJ Hehehe... 22:21 LazyJ Ok, now for the moment I've been waiting for!... about 20mins or so. ;)- 22:21 LazyJ Anyway, the glowlights from HomeDecor don't register in the logs or debug when place. 22:22 LazyJ We had a light-weight griefer plaster our spawn area with them but I couldn't track down the culprit in the logs. 22:22 Peacock all place nodes should be in the logs? 22:23 LazyJ Even with debug_level 4, no record of placement, digging, yes, placement, no. 22:24 VanessaE they don't? 22:24 VanessaE I just use, I think, add_node() or set_node() to place the 22:24 VanessaE them* 22:24 VanessaE nothing special there 22:24 VanessaE they go through the rotate_and_place() call 22:24 LazyJ I tested in my singleplayer world, latest MT, latest HomeDecor, debug_level = 4, nada. 22:24 Peacock rotate and place is newer, maybe missing log statements 22:25 VanessaE indeed so, I didn't think to add any logging to that method 22:25 VanessaE use the rollback checker next time :) 22:25 Peacock well just copy the code from builtin for identical logs (OCD) lol 22:25 VanessaE that said,... 22:26 LazyJ I was able to deduce (wild guess mostly) who it was and used the rollback. That saved me about an hour of clean-up. The little rat spent an hour plastering the town. :/ 22:26 VanessaE rotate_and_place() uses add_node() calls, so shouldn't it be logging it anyway? 22:26 VanessaE at least rollback should *definitely* be recording it 22:27 Peacock yeah add node should be making log entries :/ 22:27 VanessaE LazyJ: use /rollback_check 1 999999 22:27 VanessaE that'll tell you who the placer was 22:28 Peacock ideally all place node should be logged, and even some basic stats wouldn't be a bad idea for anticheat stuff 22:29 LazyJ Is there more documentation of rollback's tricks? 22:29 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix broken httpfetch due to SimpleThread removal 54dbd78f90 2013-12-16T14:31:56-08:00 http://git.io/U7B-ow 22:29 LazyJ /help rollback says something about :actor What's that? 22:30 Peacock well Peter O'Tool died, apart from that, dunno anything about actors :P 22:30 VanessaE LazyJ: not really too much. it just tells you who, when, and where. the 1 is the radius of the check, the 999999 was the time length, how far back to go 22:31 LazyJ Hmm... thanks. MT needs a user's manual. 22:31 Peacock we already have too many :P 22:31 LazyJ It would be nice to have a "For Dummies..." version for us laymen. 22:32 Peacock i always used lua api .txt, though it's sometimes inaccurate/outdated 22:32 LazyJ And that's another issue... outdated info. 22:32 Peacock i think there are two or more wikis, but i never used those 22:32 LazyJ Even the minetest.conf.example file has suffered that particular affliction. 22:32 Peacock trying to organize info leads to outdated shit all over the place :P 22:33 Peacock well as a rule of thumb, if someone changes the API, they should be responsible for updating the api.txt 22:33 Peacock most do 22:35 LazyJ Well, whenever MT get's more "settled" perhaps a user's guide will be more feasible. 22:40 VanessaE MT? "settled"? 22:41 VanessaE surely you can't be serious. 22:47 LazyJ "Matured", perhaps? 22:47 VanessaE aged. 22:48 VanessaE like cheese :) 22:48 LazyJ How do other opensource projects get books written about them? (OpenOffice) 22:48 Sokomine lazyj: rollback_check used to be unusable due to its speed. now that it has been migrated to a database it is so fast that it can be used 22:48 VanessaE they become incredibly popular, enough so that everyone starts to need them 22:49 VanessaE openoffice is approaching that category 22:49 VanessaE everyone in business needs something like it 22:49 LazyJ I've been trying the rollback_check. 22:49 VanessaE if not it, then MS Office 22:49 LazyJ The results show the glowlights I removed but not who placed them earlier this afternoon. 22:49 VanessaE Sokomine: sadly, rollback check has become very slow again :( 22:49 VanessaE unless that has since been fixed. 22:49 VanessaE LazyJ: because you already fixed the problem. 22:50 VanessaE LazyJ: grep the rollback log by hand 22:50 Sokomine vanessae: how's that? what happened? 22:50 VanessaE you can also find the culprit that way, in the future 22:50 LazyJ grep works on sqlite? 22:50 VanessaE Sokomine: no idea. ShadowNinja thought maybe he missed something, but he wasn't clear at the time, what. 22:50 VanessaE LazyJ: aw crap that's right, it's sqlite now 22:50 VanessaE strike that :P 22:51 VanessaE in that case, I guess you'd have to write up a proper SQL query to search for the node name :P 22:51 * LazyJ tosses a stale cinnamon roll at VanessaE. 22:51 * VanessaE sprays it with a bit of water and microwaves it for a few seconds 22:51 VanessaE mmmmmm 22:51 khonkhortisan that actually works 22:51 LazyJ Damn... she knows *that* trick. ;)- 22:51 VanessaE yup :) 22:52 khonkhortisan I think there's an infomercial for that 22:52 LazyJ Also fresh bread in the cookie jar will soften even the hardest of cheap, store-brand cookies. 22:52 VanessaE oh yeah? 22:52 Sokomine lazyj: my inspector mod also helps with the grep of the rollback.txt. or used to with the old format. the new sqlite based rollback is much much better 22:52 LazyJ A sealed jar is best. 22:52 Sokomine soften cookies? why? 22:53 khonkhortisan there are some cookies you can't bite 22:53 LazyJ A single slice of bread will give off enough moisture but it sticks to the cookies around it. 22:53 LazyJ And are too big to dunk in your coffee cup. 22:53 VanessaE mmmmmmm soft cookies 22:53 Sokomine i don't like it if bakery products get that way by taking in moisture. i prefer if they start getting dry and hard 22:53 VanessaE Sokomine: most cookies sold in this farcockta country here are hard as rocks :-/ 22:54 khonkhortisan There's a certain lemon cookie I like, and it matters whether it's the soft kind or the hard kind. Now if only I could remember which I liked... 22:54 Sokomine hard as rocks? hm. i don't know if any cookies here are that hard 22:54 * LazyJ uses a hockey stick to shuttle a stale donut to Sokomine. 22:54 VanessaE yeah, they are 22:54 VanessaE you try to take a bite and you end up with handful of crumbs 22:54 diemartin greetings 22:54 VanessaE hey kazea 22:54 Sokomine donut...i think i don't like the dough(?) they're made out of 22:54 khonkhortisan hi k 22:54 VanessaE kaeza* 22:55 VanessaE some, like "Grandma's" brand, are soft as silk, on the other hand. 22:55 LazyJ afk to tend to laundry. 22:55 VanessaE donuts are made of different kinds of cakes and doughs though 22:55 VanessaE depends on who makes them 22:55 Sokomine all cookies i know of are best if they stay crunchy 22:55 VanessaE (I used to work at a donut shop) 22:55 khonkhortisan there's an excess supply of doughnut holes. The demand isn't high enough to keep up with the supply of byproduct from whole doughnuts. 22:56 Sokomine but if some get old and...er...not crunchy anymore, i'll pass them on to you :-) 22:56 Sokomine ah. thought they all had more or less the same dough 22:56 VanessaE Sokomine: crunchy is good for some kinds of cookies, like gingersnaps or oreos 22:56 VanessaE but for a peanut butter cookie or chocolate chip? fuck no :) 22:57 diemartin what's up? 22:57 VanessaE soft and chewy or gtfo :) 22:57 khonkhortisan brownie-like 22:57 Sokomine hm, we have some here that are called american cookies. those are diffrent from the normal ones 22:57 VanessaE Sokomine: trust me, whatever you have there is *not* gonna be genuine. 22:57 VanessaE :) 22:58 VanessaE khonkhortisan: no, more like ... fudge? 22:58 VanessaE hm, not sure how to describe the perfect consistency 22:58 khonkhortisan I know of fudgesicles, but not true fudge 22:59 VanessaE Sokomine: it's like what we have here of "Chinese" food is nothing like real Chinese food at all (and some stuff so-called isn't even of Chinese origin, like a fortune cookie) 22:59 khonkhortisan Only the so-called chinese would get away with putting a message in your food 23:00 VanessaE khonkhortisan: if you are ever in the Tarpon Springs, FL area, there's this little fudge shop on Dodecenese St., I forget the name of it now (Fudge Factory maybe?) that makes the best damn stuff I've ever had. It's like a solidified orgasm. 23:01 VanessaE excuse me, Dodecanese Blvd. 23:01 VanessaE khonkhortisan: actually, those "lucky numbers" and the whole fortune cookie bit are of Japanese origin. 23:02 khonkhortisan we can call them oriental fortune cookies then 23:02 VanessaE the Chinese know virtually nothing of fortune cookies, let alone the message buried therein 23:03 Sokomine vanessae: *nod* although i can imagine that those kind of cookies might be popular in the us. they're pretty large and chocolate-rich 23:04 VanessaE Sokomine: possibly. 23:04 VanessaE the most popular cookies here are chocolate chip, followed closely by classic Oreo, I guess 23:05 Sokomine oreo exists here as well, but it's far from normal cookies 23:06 Sokomine ah yes! the image that comes up as "chocolate chips" on wikipedia (the second one) shows what's sold here as "american cookies" 23:06 Sokomine or, more precisely, chocolate chips cookie seems to be the therm 23:07 Sokomine very deliscious cookies: http://www.amazon.de/Delacre-Tea-Time-Geb%C3%A4ckmischung-1000/dp/B006IT0JXA/ref=sr_1_sc_1/279-9983174-2481725?ie=UTF8&qid=1387235221&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=delacrie 23:09 Sokomine very typical cookie, kind of the prototype in childhood (also used for a special "false hound" cake): http://www.amazon.de/Leibniz-Butterkeks-3er-Pack-Packung/dp/B004BL9D16/ref=sr_1_3/279-9983174-2481725?ie=UTF8&qid=1387235287&sr=8-3&keywords=butterkeks 23:10 Sokomine or, standard cookies (very common ones): http://www.amazon.de/Gut-G%C3%BCnstig-Geb%C3%A4ckmischung-500/dp/B00545E3H2/ref=sr_1_2/276-5100441-5759337?ie=UTF8&qid=1387235378&sr=8-2&keywords=geb%C3%A4ckmischung 23:10 Sokomine sorry for scrolling 23:10 Sokomine but that's pretty much what i'd consider deliscious cookies here :-) (those web servers serve don't taste! :)) 23:13 VanessaE those sorts are sold here too 23:14 VanessaE usually as "specialty" cookies 23:14 VanessaE http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Chocolate_Chip_Cookies_-_kimberlykv.jpg 23:14 VanessaE typical of what you'll find here 23:14 VanessaE *reaches unsuccessfully at the screen&* 23:14 VanessaE WANT 23:15 VanessaE http://shaunasever.com/wpshauna/wp-content/uploads/image-import/_gv2ZOLiWKJg/SxG_gd1wvTI/AAAAAAAABe8/UviVgTqW4NU/s1600/DSC05257.JPG 23:15 VanessaE and this 23:15 VanessaE http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Oreo-Two-Cookies.jpg 23:15 VanessaE and this 23:16 Sokomine ah yes. the first picture shows what's sold here as american ones. so the name does fit at least there :-) 23:17 Sokomine the second ones look like haferkekse. ikea sells them... 23:17 Sokomine hafer..don't know the term. it's what horses etc. like to eat 23:17 VanessaE such cookies, if not overcooked, are about as soft as, say, a rolled-up newspaper 23:17 VanessaE with a bit of a crispy surface 23:18 VanessaE if overcooked, they come out crunchy all the way through 23:18 VanessaE hafer --> hay or straw 23:18 VanessaE oats actually 23:18 VanessaE those second ones are oatmeal cookies 23:18 Sokomine oats may fit, yes 23:19 VanessaE the third ones of course are Oreo® cookies :) 23:19 VanessaE (which I personally don't like unless they're dunked and well-soaked in milk) 23:19 Sokomine and, of course, in christmas time, we usually have plaetzchen. the actual kind may vary from family to family 23:21 VanessaE oh yes 23:21 VanessaE sugar cookies 23:21 VanessaE I forgot about those 23:21 VanessaE or at least that's what comes up first for me 23:21 Sokomine what are these? 23:22 VanessaE plaetzchen: http://www.wir-backen.de/files/backen/image/einfache-plaetzchen-3.jpg 23:22 Sokomine *nod* except those are much thicker than the ones i prefer 23:22 VanessaE these look like "sugar cookies", but without the final sugar covering on top 23:23 Megaf there should be a way to reduce minetest servers packets size 23:23 VanessaE I see what look like gingerbread cookies in here too 23:23 Megaf and reduce its latency 23:23 VanessaE http://www.blogdaluisa.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/plaetzchen.jpeg 23:23 Sokomine some people put sugar on them. or schokostreusel (chocolate...er..in small sticks) or other decorative sugar items. especially if very young kids are present 23:24 VanessaE the problem isn't the packet size, Megaf. the problem is the amount of time the server spends doing other stuff between sending out packets, and the amount of time spent processing that which has been received. 23:24 Sokomine what's wrong with the packet size? even a mapblock does not seem to be particulary large? 23:24 Megaf That's another problem 23:24 VanessaE the actual network bandwith used by the packets is tiny, on the order of 531 kbps across five servers, for me. 23:25 Megaf Yep, I dont quite understand, minetest was meant to be small and fast, to run on old hardware 23:25 Megaf O got a 8 core xeon CPU with 10 mbps of upload 23:26 Megaf I got* 23:26 Megaf and still not fast enough 23:26 Sokomine hm, yes, but gingerbread usually comes in cookie form. with some kind of thin sugar coating. it's usually larger than a plaetzchen 23:26 VanessaE I see spikes into the 3.35 Mbps (335 kBytes/sec) range here and there in my graphs, from first-connect media fetching, but that's nginx, not minetest. 23:26 Sokomine it takes forever to load a decent part of the map of a server over network. i suspect it is sent by pidgeon carrier 23:27 Megaf yep 23:27 Megaf that's one huge issue, map takes ages to load 23:29 proller minetests network part designed for 1-player multiplayer 23:29 VanessaE tcp over avian carrier? 23:29 VanessaE http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt 23:29 Megaf VanessaE, proller sfan5 ShadowNinja https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122252#p122252 23:30 proller Megaf, if you want faster server - try freeminer 23:31 Megaf proller, Ok then 23:31 Megaf very well 23:31 Megaf proller, give me the github link 23:31 proller https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer 23:31 VanessaE proller: unfortunately, freeminer has its bugs too :( 23:32 proller but now bit better 23:32 Megaf proller, how to you call freeminer? A Minetest fork? 23:33 proller also i trying to make faster connection.cpp 23:33 Megaf kahrl, ping 23:33 proller maybe will commit in next 1-2 days 23:34 kahrl pong 23:34 Lunatrius *rollback list 23:34 Megaf kaeza, is that already part of the master branch? 23:34 Megaf ops 23:34 proller now tooo many packet resends, useless pps limiter, .... 23:34 Megaf kahrl, is that already part of the master branch? 23:34 kahrl yes 23:34 Megaf kaeza, so if I get the latest master branch it will have the fix already, correct? 23:35 kahrl edited the post to say so 23:35 kahrl yes 23:35 Lunatrius Never mind that, accidentally /AMSG'd it :( 23:36 Megaf thanks kahrl! I'm gonna test that now 23:39 Megaf compiling it 23:42 ShadowNinja Megaf: Freeminer has a lot of lag, bugs, and very high memory usage. We also can't support it... (From reports by others, I haven't actually used it. But the idea behing the fork is merging without much review, which makes sense.) It does have a patch of two that improve things though, although one in a bad way. 23:43 ShadowNinja behind* or* 23:43 Megaf ShadowNinja, Don't worry, I will not leave minetest =) 23:45 Megaf kahrl, Ok, I cant test 23:45 Megaf I will post another bug 23:46 Taoki Hello. Is it possible to make sure that a given command is run when you close a formspec window? Even if you close it by pressing "esc" 23:47 diemartin Taoki, use if fields.quit then ... 23:48 Taoki ok, thanks 23:50 Sokomine ah yes, there's a bug report for my locks mod regarding that issue 23:53 Megaf ShadowNinja, kahrl, sfan5, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122256#p122256 23:56 Taoki diemartin: Doesn't seem to work if I use minetest.show_formspec. Any way for that too? 23:56 Taoki I need an on_rightclick event with the formspec 23:56 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Improve worldedit.spiral and the WorldEdit GUI, https://gi 2013-12-16T15:55:56-08:00 http://git.io/_52djg 23:56 Taoki So other code is executed when I open it 23:57 kahrl Megaf: try ./minetestserver --info 23:57 Megaf kaeza, I just edited there, with --verbose 23:58 Megaf --info shows the same as verbose 23:58 Megaf ops 23:58 Megaf not 23:58 Megaf it doest 23:59 kahrl well --verbose is fine too (shows even more) 23:59 diemartin Taoki, strange. can you paste the relevant on_receive_fields?