| Time |
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| 00:05 |
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| 00:10 |
Pilcrow |
I just finished adding pieces of sapiers monorail mod to PilzAdam's carts mod. bit of a frankensteinian mess, but I finally have real item-storage carts with a chest-like inventory... :) |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
cool |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
make them work with pipeworks' tubes :D |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
car rolls along rails, parks next to a filter/injector, and out goes its inventory on command :D |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
cart* |
| 00:14 |
Pilcrow |
that would be harder. I think I'd need a new filter/injector-type node - or at least a heavy alteration of the current one - since the cart is an entity with a uniquely named detached inventory... the filter would have to detect the entity and read its ID in order to find the right inventory... |
| 00:14 |
kaeza |
Exio4, because excessive parentheses are gay |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
I was only joking :) |
| 00:15 |
kaeza |
hi |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
hey kaeza |
| 00:15 |
kaeza |
sup? :P |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
zip, zero, zilch, and a whole lotta nada. |
| 00:16 |
kaeza |
heh |
| 00:16 |
kaeza |
been a boring sunday |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 00:17 |
kaeza |
plus 30 feking degrees here ;_; |
| 00:17 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE: I thought of it, honestly. I'd love to make this thing pipeworks-compatible. it'll just take more time. |
| 00:18 |
* VanessaE |
gives some treats to her little crackhe...erm..cat |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
(I swear, she is an addict!) |
| 00:19 |
Pilcrow |
I doubt anyone would want this mess of code right now, anyway. needs some major code cleanup. I copied all kinds of functions from sapier's mod, some of which are probably entirely unused... ;) |
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| 00:23 |
sapier |
why did you move my code to pilzadams mod? their'mechanics don't have anything in common? |
| 00:24 |
sapier |
and by the way I'm not very amused about relabeling my code to be pilzadams mod ;-P |
| 00:26 |
sapier |
ohh you only used the chest code .. ol sorry didn't read enough :-) |
| 00:28 |
Pilcrow |
sapier: because monorails wouldn't work right for me. I'll give it a try later, but they kept getting stuck on corners. besides, the friends I play with didn't want to switch, but everyone agreed the storage capabilities were better... :) |
| 00:29 |
sapier |
stuck on corners? seriously? thought that one was fixed ages ago ... guess I need to add a "run on rails switch" |
| 00:30 |
Pilcrow |
yeah, it seems when the track turns, the cart still tries to go straight and then keeps warping back to the corner, never turning. |
| 00:31 |
sapier |
anything around that corner? |
| 00:31 |
Pilcrow |
nope, completely flat ground |
| 00:31 |
sapier |
seriously? |
| 00:31 |
Pilcrow |
yep |
| 00:31 |
sapier |
that's exactly what I tried? |
| 00:32 |
sapier |
how fast is it going? |
| 00:32 |
Pilcrow |
made a giant stone platform with worldedit just to test it. |
| 00:32 |
sapier |
you didn't only use booster rails did you? |
| 00:32 |
Pilcrow |
how fast? even a simple punch will make it do that. on normal rails, not power/brake. |
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| 00:34 |
Pilcrow |
might possibly be interference with another mod though. |
| 00:35 |
sapier |
I'll have a try last time I tried that did even work if it was running down/up next to corner |
| 00:37 |
Pilcrow |
I do have an outdated mesecons I think, as well as a few other mods that might possibly interfere with the code somehow, but it was on normal rails... |
| 00:37 |
sapier |
mesecons doesn't have any effect on trackfinding |
| 00:38 |
sapier |
no other mod should have any effect on trackfinding |
| 00:38 |
sapier |
the only thing that might have effect is a server running on 100% load |
| 00:43 |
Pilcrow |
well, I just tried again and the problem has disappeared, but it shouldn't have been 100% load. it was being hosted by my crappy laptop with a 2.3Ghz dual-core and radeon 4250, but there were only 2 of us connected when it happened, and both were just standing on the platform testing out the carts... |
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| 00:54 |
Pilcrow |
not to dis your work, sapier, but I prefer the 'feel' of pilzadam's carts anyway. perhaps it's just because I'm used to that one, but I just wanted storage carts, not a whole new mod. I'd miss the movement, controls, and power rail implementation, as well as the simplistic cart look. yours just does too much, too differently, for my taste... |
| 00:57 |
sapier |
you know monorail has booster rail, breaks, mesecon stopper/starter as well as mesecon powered switches too? |
| 00:58 |
sapier |
even presence detector node is available |
| 00:58 |
sapier |
guess I really should add a minecart lookalike switch |
| 01:01 |
Pilcrow |
yes, I do. I just prefer the fact that in pilzadam's mod power and brake rails are seperate nodes treated as normal rails when they have no mesecon power, rather than flip-flopping and becoming brakes when not powered. I also like left-clicking to start the cart moving, right-clicking to get in or access storage, and sneak-clicking to pick the cart up... |
| 01:01 |
sapier |
if you don't have mesecons they are different rails |
| 01:03 |
leo_rockway |
the last few builds of minetest have caused segfaults for me. I don't see anything about this in the forum. Anybody experienced this too? |
| 01:04 |
leo_rockway |
minetest runs, when I try to start a game, it segfaults |
| 01:04 |
Pilcrow |
sapier: I know, but I like mesecons, and the way the carts mod works when mesecons is installed. :) |
| 01:05 |
kaeza |
leo_rockway, hey |
| 01:05 |
Pilcrow |
leo_rockway: I can't help, but I know someone else mentioned it yesterday, so you're not alone. |
| 01:05 |
leo_rockway |
kaeza: \ø hi |
| 01:05 |
kaeza |
I believe somebody reported that already on #-dev |
| 01:06 |
leo_rockway |
I try to build daily. I think it started 3 days ago or so. |
| 01:06 |
kaeza |
hmm, no the segfaults that were reported were on Win32 |
| 01:07 |
leo_rockway |
mmhhh... I just tried starting a different map and it runs just fine |
| 01:07 |
leo_rockway |
the one that segfaulted is a new map |
| 01:07 |
leo_rockway |
with mapgen indev |
| 01:08 |
leo_rockway |
I just deleted it, created a new one with v6 and it works fine |
| 01:08 |
leo_rockway |
then created a new one with indev and... segfault |
| 01:08 |
leo_rockway |
so indev seems to be the problem |
| 01:11 |
leo_rockway |
I just see a flower floating... o.o |
| 01:12 |
kaeza |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-12-03#i_3469876 |
| 01:13 |
leo_rockway |
I just saw* |
| 01:13 |
leo_rockway |
I can reproduce the segfault with indev |
| 01:13 |
kaeza |
may want to shout that in #-dev |
| 01:14 |
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| 01:15 |
leo_rockway |
kaeza: thanks =] |
| 01:16 |
kaeza |
yay I can reproduce that too |
| 01:16 |
kaeza |
np |
| 01:17 |
iqualfragile |
sapier: ich hab mal das monorail-dingen probiert: |
| 01:17 |
iqualfragile |
neither did any monorail or monorail-cart show up in the creative inv |
| 01:17 |
sapier |
ok also die version die in der mmdb is is schwachsinn da hab ich versehentlich ne uraltversion hochgeladen |
| 01:17 |
iqualfragile |
nor did it not crash when i gave myself a pushable_block |
| 01:17 |
iqualfragile |
aah, k |
| 01:17 |
kaeza |
oh it does not crash anymore... wtf |
| 01:18 |
sapier |
is mir grad aufgefallen als ich die auf default carts umstellen wollt |
| 01:19 |
iqualfragile |
dann update mal |
| 01:20 |
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| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: care to submit a pull request to technic to make its machines use those pipeworks textures you goaded me into making? :) |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
(the tube connections) |
| 01:25 |
iqualfragile |
bad timing, its 2:30 around here and i need some sleep, just finishing some assignments |
| 01:27 |
Pilcrow |
I should really look into technic. |
| 01:27 |
VanessaE |
aw :( |
| 01:27 |
VanessaE |
Pilcrow: you'll like it |
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| 01:31 |
Inocudom |
What are the specifics of the new desert temples? |
| 01:32 |
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| 01:32 |
Anshinin |
Hello |
| 01:32 |
VanessaE |
the new desert temples? |
| 01:32 |
VanessaE |
O.o |
| 01:32 |
Pilcrow |
ah, I see why I never tried it now. it depends on moretrees. moretrees is a cool concept, but makes my computer lag badly. not sure why. maybe it's the leaves... |
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| 01:32 |
Inocudom |
Hello. Desert temples were added to Minetest recently. |
| 01:32 |
VanessaE |
you mean the thing hmmmm was proposing? |
| 01:33 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, welcome |
| 01:33 |
Anshinin |
Thanks |
| 01:33 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, iqualfragile, thexyz this is Anshinin |
| 01:33 |
VanessaE |
hi Anshinin |
| 01:33 |
Inocudom |
He proposed the temples? |
| 01:33 |
Anshinin |
Hello |
| 01:33 |
OldCoder |
He is sort of an... associate... of mrtux from the past |
| 01:33 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, you will most likely be able to build your own clients |
| 01:33 |
Inocudom |
And I see that you are here, OldCoder. |
| 01:33 |
OldCoder |
Eventually, servers and mods too |
| 01:34 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 01:34 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, I have been here for 1.5 years |
| 01:34 |
Anshinin |
Build clients? |
| 01:34 |
VanessaE |
Inocudom: there was a proposal, but I don't see any code here to add it. I guess there was the idea to basically create sandstone dungeons. |
| 01:34 |
iqualfragile |
everybody say hello to Anshinin |
| 01:34 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, One step at a time. Have fun. |
| 01:34 |
OldCoder |
Eh |
| 01:34 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile, install Blockmen's Pyramids mod. |
| 01:34 |
sapier |
ok monorail in mmdb now really is monorail and not some years outdated prototype |
| 01:34 |
iqualfragile |
hi Anshinin, i am iqualfragile, i build the mmdb |
| 01:34 |
Anshinin |
mmdb? what's that? |
| 01:34 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, I am an op and a server host |
| 01:35 |
VanessaE |
Minetest Mod Database |
| 01:35 |
Inocudom |
Sandstone dungeons are a good idea (and desert stone really needs to go deeper underground.) |
| 01:35 |
Anshinin |
Oh cool |
| 01:35 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE writes great mods |
| 01:35 |
VanessaE |
aw *blush* |
| 01:35 |
sapier |
the online modstore within minetest |
| 01:35 |
OldCoder |
The best |
| 01:35 |
iqualfragile |
sapier: contains .git |
| 01:35 |
OldCoder |
sapier is a core dev and a mod author |
| 01:35 |
Anshinin |
what kind of mods are there for minetest |
| 01:35 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile has a Bash Bot! |
| 01:35 |
Anshinin |
its been so long since ive played |
| 01:35 |
mrtux |
Anshinin, VanessaE is the queen of minetest mods basically |
| 01:35 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, animals, technic for windmills, UFOs |
| 01:35 |
iqualfragile |
ah, right, yes i do have a bash bot |
| 01:35 |
OldCoder |
You name it |
| 01:35 |
Inocudom |
Mobf is the best animals and monsters mod for Minetest there is. |
| 01:35 |
OldCoder |
Bash Bot is Hot! |
| 01:36 |
sapier |
fixed |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
Anshinin: there's everything from just random blocks to whole games,. I mean you name it, we probably have it |
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| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
mrtux: I am? O.o |
| 01:36 |
mrtux |
yes |
| 01:36 |
Anshinin |
That's awesome |
| 01:36 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.net/mods |
| 01:36 |
OldCoder |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=11 |
| 01:36 |
katyusha |
Haven't visited this place before actually.. |
| 01:36 |
OldCoder |
sapier makes cows |
| 01:36 |
Anshinin |
Lemme download it |
| 01:36 |
* OldCoder |
likes cows |
| 01:36 |
katyusha |
VanessaE, aren't you the person that makes all those mods? :P |
| 01:36 |
Inocudom |
Minetest still has such great potential, but the community seems very quiet these days. |
| 01:37 |
kaeza |
hai katyusha |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
I've made several, yes |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, quiet can be good |
| 01:37 |
katyusha |
hey |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
Inocudom: quiet can equate to "stable" |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, others; Anshinin is also a former associate of katyusha |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
Stable can be nice sometimes |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
and stable is goo |
| 01:37 |
VanessaE |
good* |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
Goo too |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
:P |
| 01:37 |
Inocudom |
It can be in the sense of less trolls and griefers, but not so much if most servers are empty. |
| 01:37 |
mrtux |
i just build minetest whenever |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
oh the servers are definitely far from empty |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, the worlds will rise again |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
or at least, they're far from idle anyway |
| 01:38 |
Inocudom |
Minerealms has a lot of players. That I do know. |
| 01:38 |
Sokomine |
hi inocudom |
| 01:38 |
* Pilcrow |
likes cows too, OldCoder :) |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, Is Redcrab World still up? When it dies I intend to host it |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: I sense a "fallen" or "south" in there somewhere :D |
| 01:38 |
Inocudom |
Hello Sokomine. |
| 01:38 |
Sokomine |
hi oldcoder, hi vanessa |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
it is still alive, yes |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Hm? |
| 01:38 |
katyusha |
hey Sokomine |
| 01:38 |
VanessaE |
hey soko |
| 01:38 |
Sokomine |
oldcoder: that is very nice of you. it is still up |
| 01:39 |
Anshinin |
where can i find the newest version of minetest |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, O.K. |
| 01:39 |
katyusha |
Anshinin, minetest,net |
| 01:39 |
katyusha |
*.net |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, I can link you to a client... but mine is a month old |
| 01:39 |
Sokomine |
my last mail to redcrab didn't provoke a reply :-( but the server is running |
| 01:39 |
Inocudom |
Fess, sfan5, and BlockMen make dev builds. |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Mine are faster but try official first |
| 01:39 |
kaeza |
well, the servers on the other #minetest is quite active :P |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, I want the world! |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Let me know |
| 01:39 |
Sokomine |
the mobf cows are grea |
| 01:39 |
kaeza |
s/is/are/ |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
When I can have it |
| 01:39 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: "The south will rise again" == the old cry from the Confederacy. "The Fallen shall rise again." == the warning from a defeated Decepticon in one of the recent Transformers movies. |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Ah! |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Our worlds will be more like: |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
"There shall be a bit of fun" |
| 01:40 |
VanessaE |
works for me :D |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, I will try disabling Nether on Mjolnir |
| 01:40 |
Anshinin |
minetest is open! |
| 01:40 |
Anshinin |
weeee |
| 01:40 |
Inocudom |
None of your servers are in the public list, OldCoder. It is easier to find servers when they are. |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
There is a theory that Nether is responsible for the problems there |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, I am in transition |
| 01:40 |
Sokomine |
hi katyusha |
| 01:40 |
katyusha |
Hello Sokomine, I am xoma |
| 01:40 |
Inocudom |
Redcrab's main server isn't in the public list either. |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, definitely moving forward... building a new framework |
| 01:41 |
katyusha |
I'm sure you saw me a couple of times around |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
I intend to run 10 to 20 of the best world |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
worlds * |
| 01:41 |
Inocudom |
Glad to hear it, OldCoder. |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
Hmm... I had best restart 4 of them now! |
| 01:41 |
Anshinin |
So |
| 01:41 |
iqualfragile |
yay, monorail is fun |
| 01:41 |
Anshinin |
what should i do now |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
Build |
| 01:41 |
Anshinin |
you guys have servers right |
| 01:41 |
VanessaE |
I have 5 of them |
| 01:41 |
Anshinin |
or should i try offline first |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
Either |
| 01:41 |
iqualfragile |
but textures are bad |
| 01:42 |
Sokomine |
oldcoder: might be a good idea. neather didn't play a significant role in that world anyway. it takes ages to dig there, and people seldom build |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
offline/singleplayer is a good way to learn |
| 01:42 |
katyusha |
Anshinin, you know I'm glad that you came now because I'm visiting channels I haven't gone to before and seeing some familiar faces. |
| 01:42 |
Pilcrow |
so.. much.. conversation! :P |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, I have 20 worlds but only 4 are up ATM |
| 01:42 |
katyusha |
Anyway Anshinin, I like landrush's server |
| 01:42 |
Inocudom |
Calinou used to run a server himself, but then he left it. New players that go there get stuck in the spawn area. I played on that server last year. |
| 01:42 |
Anshinin |
I'll try landrush |
| 01:42 |
Sokomine |
we can't bring redcrabs server to the public list without redcrabs help i'm afraid |
| 01:42 |
Anshinin |
since its in the public |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
I have Calinou world now Inocudom |
| 01:42 |
katyusha |
though don't build too close to me because I'm already completely surrounded by people on there :p |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, Not true. I could simply clone the world |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: at least he's still keeping the domain alive |
| 01:42 |
Sokomine |
at least his world would run fine with current mt - as long as the mods are taken care of |
| 01:42 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: the problem is that ^^^^ |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
Which is why I want the map now |
| 01:43 |
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| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
So that I can debug before the original world dies |
| 01:43 |
VanessaE |
you'd have to get redcrab.suret.net 30401 to point to your IP |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
Nope |
| 01:43 |
Sokomine |
katyusha: *nod* i sometimes don't pay too much attention to chat (especially when building/digging/exploring), but i remember your name :-) |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
I would simply post RedCrabRedux |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
Done |
| 01:43 |
Inocudom |
Yes, I do know that. However, I don't know if the spawn area can be escaped or not there. |
| 01:43 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, I am going to delete that |
| 01:43 |
Anshinin |
oops |
| 01:43 |
Anshinin |
this version is 2 old |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
It is annoying to keep rescuing people |
| 01:43 |
Anshinin |
0.4.8 is the new one i guess |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, Try mine then |
| 01:44 |
OldCoder |
Wait briefly |
| 01:44 |
Anshinin |
Ok |
| 01:44 |
katyusha |
Sokomine, I'm glad lol. We never talked much but I saw a familiar face when I came on here :p |
| 01:44 |
VanessaE |
Anshinin: it's recommended that you use a development build if you can, but 0.4.8 should work on most servers for now |
| 01:44 |
OldCoder |
THis is a month old but will work with my worlds and some of the others. It is large but has music. |
| 01:44 |
VanessaE |
(we move fast :D 0.4.x-stable tends to become outdates quickly :D ) |
| 01:44 |
Sokomine |
inocudom: calinous old world is hosted by oldcoder as well. it can still be visited! i have a small farm there |
| 01:44 |
Inocudom |
The spawn area? That sounds great. If you can update Calinou's world to the latest version and upsdate its mods too, it could have life again. |
| 01:44 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131114.zip |
| 01:44 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: you are hosting a server, arent you? |
| 01:44 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, My copy is the latest AFAIK |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: 5 of them, on a Linode instance. |
| 01:45 |
Anshinin |
ok I'll download that OldCoder |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, Try that link but be warned; about 35 MB in size |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
And may not work. But try it. You can visit my worlds: |
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| 01:45 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: yes, so: do you have any problems with them not notifying the masterserver? |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
Server is minetest.org |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
Ports are: |
| 01:45 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: nope. |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
Octuteam World Port 30004 |
| 01:45 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: i get shittons of 02:17:00: ERROR[ServerThread]: Serverlist at url servers.minetest.net error (Timeout was reached) |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
Zegaton (needs things fixed) Port 30015 |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: everyone gets that |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
Pripyat (a real city!) Port 30017 |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
it's non-fatal |
| 01:46 |
Inocudom |
I think it would be a good idea if the master server could have sublists. |
| 01:46 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE: 0.4.8-stable is still mostly up-to date so far, isn't it? :P |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
Mjolnir (I need to fix the slow part) Port 30018 |
| 01:46 |
iqualfragile |
yes, but for me that actually equals to not beeing listed |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
Pilcrow: "mostly" :P |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
Lots more will returjn |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
Lots more will return * |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
|
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: weird |
| 01:47 |
Inocudom |
OldCoder, are you aware of the new shaders that RealBadAngel added to Minetest? They are very nice shaders. |
| 01:47 |
Sokomine |
regarding the landrush server: i don't like the landclaim mod there as it attacks and even auto-bans players for "griefing" - griefing as in picking plants with the server beeing too slow to tell you in advance that that piece of nature is owned. but the players are very friendly and build in high quality |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, I will presently update |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
Are they in the main branch yet? |
| 01:47 |
katyusha |
btw OldCoder, what do your builds do compared to the official? |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
katyusha, faster |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
Plus they have the cache |
| 01:47 |
Inocudom |
Yes, the shaders are in the main branch. |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
Much larger to download |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
But music is there |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, I will update this month and add more mod fixes |
| 01:48 |
Anshinin |
Oops |
| 01:48 |
Anshinin |
did i miss something |
| 01:48 |
Sokomine |
pripyat...wasn't that the town that had...some...problems with a reactor too close nearby? |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 01:48 |
Anshinin |
i was putting my contacts in |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
Dead City |
| 01:48 |
katyusha |
will that work on the landrush server OldCoder, it runs 0.4.8 |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
katyusha, My next build will. The current one might. |
| 01:48 |
katyusha |
Ok |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
It is about 3 weeks old. |
| 01:48 |
katyusha |
eh shouldn't make too big of a difference |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
I need to finish rebuilding my Linux distro. |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
We will see. |
| 01:48 |
katyusha |
doesn't seem too old |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
It was right before some big changes |
| 01:48 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: nah, was just own stupidity |
| 01:49 |
Sokomine |
oldcoder: regarding mjolnir: the server owner did not manage to combat the lag, but i'm sure it can be done somehow. but there are only a few good buildings. importing them to another world may be a better solution |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
oh you got it going? |
| 01:49 |
katyusha |
so... are you gonna go to bash 4 yet OldCoder? :P |
| 01:49 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: yes |
| 01:49 |
iqualfragile |
mineguild.de |
| 01:49 |
VanessaE |
good |
| 01:49 |
Sokomine |
three weeks can be a lot regarding mt |
| 01:49 |
Inocudom |
oOChainLynxOo still does videos for Minetest. You should check him out on Youtube sometime, OldCoder. |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, I will delete nether and see |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
what the? there are actually people on my survival server? O_O |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
katyusha, not likely |
| 01:50 |
iqualfragile |
well, anyways, i am going to sleep now |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, thank you |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, good night! |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
Inocudom: he did one of my Nostalgia server recently |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, if you will make schemes that will help |
| 01:50 |
Sokomine |
vanessa: there are usually plenty :-) i see them mostly in irc |
| 01:50 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: i do not think runing 4 servers in paralel is a good idea, but i will elaborate on that tomorrow evening |
| 01:50 |
Inocudom |
You are welcome. oOChainLynxOo is a good person to have around. |
| 01:51 |
Anshinin |
how do i run this oldcoder |
| 01:51 |
Anshinin |
wait nvm |
| 01:51 |
Sokomine |
iqualfragile: it works quite fine with vanessas servers. for some time, they where extremly fast. recently, it was still about average |
| 01:51 |
Inocudom |
I saw that video, VanessaE. He also did one of Minetest Classic recently (the 0.3.1 fork by darkrose.) |
| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: I run 5 without issue. got enough cores, memory, disk, and network |
| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
only thing I lack is a fast enough engine :P |
| 01:52 |
iqualfragile |
Sokomine, VanessaE its more of a social problem |
| 01:52 |
Inocudom |
Minetest Classic isn't the only prominent fork anymore. Freeminer (proller's development branch) is now a prominent fork. |
| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
fucking network code is so slow that every time someone signs on, everyone else lags for a little while |
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| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
hey EvergreenTree |
| 01:53 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: use http for media |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: I do. |
| 01:53 |
iqualfragile |
uh… |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
at least for survival and creative |
| 01:53 |
Anshinin |
jesus |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
I haven't set the other two up yet |
| 01:53 |
Anshinin |
the listing of channels on freenode is huge |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 01:54 |
VanessaE |
other three rather. |
| 01:54 |
Sokomine |
iqualfragile: hm, perhaps. some of the servers are pretty diffrent and more of an experimental kind - i.e. that nostalgia server, or the realtest server (diffrent gameplay) |
| 01:55 |
katyusha |
brb |
| 01:55 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, most channels are inactive or not worth much time |
| 01:56 |
Anshinin |
that's no good |
| 01:57 |
Anshinin |
OldCoder, do you have any servers up right now I could join to play on |
| 01:57 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 01:57 |
Anshinin |
I think it's been 2 years since I've played minetest |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
Problem is that I can't interact you on mine right now; I am behind at the office due to our earlier discussion |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
You can visit my worlds but I'd need to rebuild things to interact you |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
Actually no |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
Pick one of my worlds |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
I can patch the files manually |
| 01:58 |
Anshinin |
Where can i find them? |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
Server is: minetest.org |
| 01:58 |
Anshinin |
oh |
| 01:58 |
Anshinin |
ok |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Worlds are listed above |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Try... Zegaton |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Port 30015 |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Join there then tell me if you got in |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Or Octuteam |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
That is a complex world |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Port 30004 |
| 01:59 |
Anshinin |
I did it successfully i think |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
You are in one of the worlds? Which one? |
| 01:59 |
Anshinin |
I got default items |
| 02:00 |
OldCoder |
But no interact... I must patch you |
| 02:00 |
OldCoder |
Which world? |
| 02:00 |
Anshinin |
i put in minetest.org lol |
| 02:00 |
OldCoder |
?? Which port? |
| 02:00 |
OldCoder |
I have 20 worlds |
| 02:00 |
Anshinin |
30000 |
| 02:00 |
Anshinin |
default |
| 02:01 |
Anshinin |
ill go to 30015 |
| 02:01 |
OldCoder |
Hmm! |
| 02:01 |
OldCoder |
But I am not running 30000 |
| 02:01 |
OldCoder |
I wonder where you are |
| 02:01 |
Anshinin |
30015 now |
| 02:01 |
OldCoder |
Indicate when in |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: do you still run that old copy of Creative from way back when? :) |
| 02:02 |
OldCoder |
I see Inocudom but not you |
| 02:02 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, which world? |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
I don't remember which port |
| 02:02 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, not sure where you are |
| 02:02 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Heh. I had *20* worlds. I would need more information. |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
my old Creative world from some time last year, about the time I reset the map I think |
| 02:02 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:02 |
OldCoder |
I have a copy of that world |
| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
I wish to update it |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
jut wondered :) |
| 02:03 |
katyusha |
Ok I'm back |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
oh heh |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
you should visit the current one |
| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
May I have a copy? If not, I will stick with mine |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
VanessaE's Creative Server [ digitalaudioconcepts.com ] port 30000 |
| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, I am not sure where you are but it is probably not on my server |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
erm, it's kinda huge now |
| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, so? :-) |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
but I'll zip it later and send it if you like |
| 02:04 |
Anshinin |
I think it may have to do with it being set to minimal |
| 02:04 |
* OldCoder |
has loads of disk space and RAM |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 02:04 |
VanessaE |
oh wait |
| 02:04 |
VanessaE |
um |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, are you possibly running offline? |
| 02:04 |
VanessaE |
hm, this should be easy, one sec. |
| 02:04 |
* VanessaE |
ssh's into the server |
| 02:04 |
Anshinin |
i dont know maybe |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, You may be in your own world offline |
| 02:05 |
Anshinin |
let me see |
| 02:06 |
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| 02:07 |
Anshinin |
Hello |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
*waits for copy to finish* |
| 02:07 |
Inocudom |
RealBadAngel, the new shaders for Minetest are amazing. |
| 02:08 |
RealBadAngel |
thx |
| 02:08 |
RealBadAngel |
hi all |
| 02:08 |
Inocudom |
OldCoder, the adress in your build leads to Zeg9's old server world. |
| 02:08 |
OldCoder |
He gave it to me, yes |
| 02:08 |
OldCoder |
And has requested |
| 02:08 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: cheapie still gets the dots, but only if either (aniso/mipmap/bi/tri) OR (bumpmap/parallax) are turned on. The rest of the shaders work fine for him now |
| 02:08 |
OldCoder |
that I host the next one as well |
| 02:09 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldmaps/worlds-sunday.tar.bz2 |
| 02:09 |
Exio4 |
kaeza: doesn't change the fact that it has the simpler syntax of a powerful PL |
| 02:09 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: approx. 2.5 GB, expands to about 10, contains all 5 worls as of 11 am UTC this morning. |
| 02:10 |
VanessaE |
worlds*( |
| 02:10 |
Anshinin |
OldCoder, I finally got on a server |
| 02:12 |
Exio4 |
i need a way to run transmission over ssh |
| 02:12 |
Exio4 |
because this network is bandwidth limited |
| 02:12 |
OldCoder |
AndrewPH, Which server? |
| 02:12 |
OldCoder |
Oops |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, which server? |
| 02:13 |
Exio4 |
unless it is some list of ports |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, downloading now! |
| 02:13 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: please download that file right away |
| 02:13 |
AndrewPH |
Yeah |
| 02:13 |
VanessaE |
I am somewhat short on space :) |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
AndrewPH, Sorry! |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, proceeding immediately |
| 02:13 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 02:13 |
* VanessaE |
wonders how fat of a pipe OldCoder has.... |
| 02:13 |
Sokomine |
the shaders turned all textures black for me initially. now they work. i'm not sure if i like them and which shaders i'll keep. my gpu isn't the strongest |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, we shall see |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
Error 404 VanessaE |
| 02:14 |
VanessaE |
oops |
| 02:14 |
VanessaE |
sorry |
| 02:14 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldmaps/worlds-backup-2013-12-08.tar.bz2 |
| 02:14 |
VanessaE |
sorry, forgot I renamed it |
| 02:14 |
OldCoder |
One moment |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
I am probably hammering your server |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
Let me try without multiple threads |
| 02:15 |
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| 02:15 |
Anshinin |
Hi |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
Too slow that way |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
Anshinin, Hello again |
| 02:16 |
Anshinin |
I was saying hi to whoever just joined |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
arsdragonfly |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Looks like I can get about 175 KB/sec from your server |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
that's not TOO shabby |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
let me know when it finishes so I can delete it. you can share it if you like, I just don't have the space to spare :) |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
I know... Looks like a few hours if it does not abort |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
I am doing multithreaded so an abort will not be recoverable. We will see. |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
Speeds it up by about 3 to 1. |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
Should finish this evening unless aborts. I will let you know thanks. |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
ure |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
sure |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
that tarball is from my regular nightly backup script btw |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
All right |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
please be sure to cleanse it of anything that should not be shared |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
Of course |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
Will the server stay up for the night? |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
it's on 24/7 |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
All right |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
I will let you know if this works. If it does, you can explain what the world(s) are. These copies will last indefinitely. |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
sure |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: actually, cancel that download, there's too many dependencies |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
Hmm? Such as? |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
Mods? |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
games |
| 02:28 |
OldCoder |
? What will happen if I load with as many mods as possible? |
| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
you will have a too fucking slow game :) |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
it'll blow up :D |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
But it works for you? |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
I have about 100 mods ATM |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
May I attempt it? |
| 02:29 |
Exio4 |
only 100? i thought you had 1k! ;P |
| 02:29 |
VanessaE |
it needs custom games |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
Exio4, I have an octocore with 32GB RAM |
| 02:29 |
Pilcrow |
lol wow. OldCoder, what is your creative inventory count?? |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
Pilcrow, explain |
| 02:29 |
Inocudom |
Did you know that the developers of Minetest Classic found a way to have the nodeboxes in it have soft lighting. |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Is one of the maps perhaps usable? You could pack just one |
| 02:30 |
Exio4 |
octocore? eight powerful as celerons from 2001 each or decent ones? |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
you'll need this, media.digitalaudioconcepts.com/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2 |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/mt_nostalgia |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
and this |
| 02:30 |
Inocudom |
I feel that the feature is worth noting because Minetest Main would benefit from it. |
| 02:30 |
Pilcrow |
OldCoder: well, for example, when I start a server it says creative inventory size: 769 |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
Exio4, I do not recall... I can get the specs for you but the system is fatst |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
Pilcrow, wait and I will tell you |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
1275 |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, If I get those two tarballs will it help? |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/realtest_game |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
and you need this |
| 02:31 |
Exio4 |
cat /proc/cpuinfo; lspci |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
Pilcrow, the answer is 1275. And Exio4 checking now... |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
and there's a bunch of extra mods that are used |
| 02:31 |
Exio4 |
paste that ^ :P |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
processor : 0 |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
cpu family : 6 |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
model : 23 |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz |
| 02:31 |
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| 02:31 |
Exio4 |
er |
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| 02:32 |
OldCoder |
Paste is not advisable |
| 02:32 |
Exio4 |
pastebin |
| 02:32 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 02:32 |
Pilcrow |
OldCoder: oh, I figured it'd be higher. no idea how many mods I have installed though... :P |
| 02:32 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: better you should just extract from that tarball the map.sqlite file for the Creative map and update your copy of VanessaE_Game |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
but you don't have to maintain it at all, as I run it live as well |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, will do. Pilcrow, k. Exio4 wait. |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
I don't want to load you down with too much |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
you've got enough to do :) |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
Exio4, http://www.oldcoder.org/cpuinfo.txt |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
Did not do the lspci yet; is the cpuinfo enough? |
| 02:34 |
Exio4 |
i would like the lspci too :P |
| 02:34 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
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| 02:34 |
OldCoder |
Exio4, http://www.oldcoder.org/lspci.txt |
| 02:34 |
OldCoder |
Exio4, O.K. Your assessment? |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
djdduty, your nick is familiar; let's catch up sometime |
| 02:36 |
Exio4 |
looks like a mid-endish setup |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
All right; so it can handle a few MT worlds? |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
32GB RAM |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
I could try to do 64GB RAM if it mattered much |
| 02:37 |
Exio4 |
do you have access to the real hardware? :P |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Not directly |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
But I can show you photos |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system1.jpg |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system2.jpg |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system2.jpg |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
Oops |
| 02:38 |
Exio4 |
http://ark.intel.com/products/33080/ |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system3.jpg |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
Yes, that looks similar |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
So, mid-end? |
| 02:39 |
Exio4 |
a dual cpu, neat |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
With 32GB RAM is this good? |
| 02:39 |
Exio4 |
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5410+%40+2.33GHz&id=1232&cpuCount=2 |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system4.jpg |
| 02:39 |
Exio4 |
what is the speed of that ram? :P |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system5.jpg |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
I can find out |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
System seems nice and fast regardless |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
A bright spot in a trying period |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
Low end compared to latest high end |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
But the system is not brand new. Beats the pants off of VPS though. |
| 02:40 |
Exio4 |
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-6100+Six-Core&id=257 my cpu :( |
| 02:40 |
Exio4 |
it isn't better than your octocore |
| 02:40 |
* Exio4 |
is sad now |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
I am sure your system is very nice |
| 02:40 |
Exio4 |
but well, six cores vs eight :P |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
It will do for now :-) |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
"Eight is Enough for Love!" |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
^ Obscure reference and joke |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
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| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I will need to ask about installing this stuff; but it is worth some effort |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
Your creations need to be shown off |
| 02:43 |
Exio4 |
six cores performing at a 89% performance of an octocore |
| 02:43 |
OldCoder |
Depends though |
| 02:43 |
OldCoder |
More than one factor |
| 02:43 |
Exio4 |
and that with a 'ok' multithreading scaling! |
| 02:43 |
Exio4 |
not (awesome) multithreading scaling as yours |
| 02:43 |
Exio4 |
because you have eight real cores; not just eight threads |
| 02:44 |
Exio4 |
(multithreading scaling is: shitty with hyperthreading; ok with amd latest modules; awesome with real cores! :P) |
| 02:44 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: no prob. just update VanessaE_Game, the map.sqlite file, auth.txt, and carry over the worldmods folder, sans the irc* mods therein. That should be all you need to do to get that copy up. |
| 02:44 |
OldCoder |
But the other stuff you linked? |
| 02:44 |
VanessaE |
but bear in mind this world is wildly different from the old one. 99% of the content got moved over. |
| 02:44 |
OldCoder |
I a downloading it |
| 02:44 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 02:45 |
OldCoder |
*I am |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
the other stuff I linked, you don't need if you just use the creative world |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
you can keep the others as an off-site backup :D |
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djdduty |
OldCoder: you're the linux guy. |
| 02:47 |
djdduty |
You consider your os as a "proper" distro since you made it yourself. |
| 02:48 |
djdduty |
OldCoder: you've been using c++ for like 20 years or something. |
| 02:48 |
OldCoder |
djdduty, 'C' for 37 years |
| 02:48 |
OldCoder |
C++ is not a favorite |
| 02:49 |
OldCoder |
We spoke last year. Let's talk again sometime. |
| 02:49 |
djdduty |
OldCoder: right, but I remember you said c++ instead since it was the current topic :) |
| 02:49 |
OldCoder |
Your memory is sharper in this regard than mine |
| 02:50 |
djdduty |
OldCoder: Except, I forgot what channel it was on. |
| 02:50 |
djdduty |
And how to spell chanel. |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 03:00 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE: I've experienced a lot of lag every time I've tried to use moretrees. does the plantlike drawtype make things better? I think I've heard something about a link between lag and leaves... |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
lag != low fps |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
and yes, plantlike mode can help that somewhat, but in that mode you can't use those fancy new shaders (yet) |
| 03:03 |
Pilcrow |
lag as in server responsiveness. lots of 'moving too fast' errors |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
how old is your copy of moretrees? |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
I fixed the lag issues with it ages ago |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
it only spawns (fast-growing) saplings at mapgen time |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
they never hang the mapgen now |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
plants_lib can still slow it down, some day I will migrate it to voxelmanip if I can ever find the drive or someone wants to help *pokes hmmmm* |
| 03:05 |
Pilcrow |
I haven't tried it in a few months. just wanted to ask before possibly wasting my time with it, lol |
| 03:05 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, speed up to 280 KiB/sec |
| 03:05 |
OldCoder |
322 now |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: ok. I've already deleted the file; it'll unlink automatically once your download finishes. |
| 03:06 |
VanessaE |
to prevent others downloading it. you will still receive the entire thing |
| 03:07 |
Pilcrow |
I whish I was smart enough to figure out voxelmanip. heck, I can barely wrap my head around detached inventories... |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, k |
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ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: I can help. :-) |
| 03:09 |
ShadowNinja |
That reminds me to check what's making the forcefield so slow... |
| 03:10 |
Pilcrow |
I guess I've made good progress though; I didn't know ANY lua a year ago... :P |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: just so you know, "help" here is defined as "wants to code it and make a pull request" :D |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
(hence it being the alternative to my gaining enough drive to do it myself :) ) |
| 03:12 |
ShadowNinja |
Well, maybe if I have time. But I fear that I'm going to be compelled to completely rewrite the whole thing if I look at it... ;-) |
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Pilcrow |
does voxelmanip only work ongen, or am I just missing something? |
| 03:13 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Mapgen Indev: Fix segfault in cave generation due to uninitialized variable 50b0e9f7a4 2013-12-08T19:13:05-08:00 http://git.io/yT7heg |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
it works anywhere, does't it? |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: aw come on, my code isn't THAT bad is it? |
| 03:15 |
ShadowNinja |
^ Use VoxelManip() or minetest.get_voxel_manip() |
| 03:15 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: I don't know, I haven't looked at it. |
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Pilcrow |
is there a voxelmanip page in the dev wiki? a quick search only shows the changelog... |
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hmmmm |
Pilcrow, not yet |
| 03:19 |
hmmmm |
my intention was to write that page this weekend |
| 03:21 |
ShadowNinja |
Pilcrow: Until then you can read lua_api.txt and other mods. |
| 03:22 |
Pilcrow |
hmmmm: that would be much appreciated, thank you. and thanks ShadowNinja for the tip. |
| 03:22 |
hmmmm |
check out the TNT mod |
| 03:23 |
Pilcrow |
as in, sfan5's nuke mod? or is there one that's actually called TNT? |
| 03:23 |
hmmmm |
i guess it's the sfan nuke mod |
| 03:23 |
hmmmm |
could've sworn it was shadowninja who made it though |
| 03:24 |
hmmmm |
made like 180 node diameter hollow spheres in the map and it had problems when it hit blocks that weren't generated yet |
| 03:24 |
hmmmm |
i remember he told me about that a few months ago |
| 03:25 |
Pilcrow |
well there are honestly quite a few nuke/tnt mods, now that I look... |
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Exio4 |
"Uploading to peer" "Downloading from peer" |
| 03:26 |
Exio4 |
P2P is awesome |
| 03:27 |
Pilcrow |
I just found a 'bettertnt' mod by minermoder27 and a tnt mod by PilzAdam as well... |
| 03:27 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: Right, my rewrite of the nuke mod. Pilcrow: That's at shadowninja.minetest.net/mods/nuke.tgz |
| 03:28 |
ShadowNinja |
(No repo or topic right now) |
| 03:31 |
Pilcrow |
ah, thank you ShadowNinja. and hmmmm for suggesting it. I'll definitely be looking into this... :) |
| 03:32 |
Pilcrow |
this looks like something I could wreck a world with... :P |
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Minetestian |
well im back. ;) |
| 03:36 |
Exio4 |
hm |
| 03:37 |
Minetestian |
Whats this, I come back, and all the activity vanishes. |
| 03:37 |
Minetestian |
._. |
| 03:39 |
Pilcrow |
ShadowNinja: does this tnt mod respect nodes such as chests and 'unbreakable' blocks? if it does, or if it can be easily modified, I may use it as more than just a reference... ;) |
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Exio4 |
haha |
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Minetestian |
when im on the web client, |
| 03:52 |
Minetestian |
i can hear people on the servers, |
| 03:52 |
Minetestian |
correct? |
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Minetestian |
i dont get it... |
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Exio4 |
this network is weird |
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Exio4 |
one download = 70kb/s, second download, 130 kb/s, third one = 120kb/s |
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Exio4 |
that means a total of 420kb/s |
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Pilcrow |
sapier, if you're still there, I think I may have figured out the issue with your monorail carts. I think the 3d_armor/wieldview mods may be at fault, causing the collision detection to think the cart is running into its rider... |
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OldCoder |
VanessaE, I got the whole 2GB and confirmed successful. Final speed was 500 KB per second. |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
cool |
| 05:29 |
OldCoder |
t y |
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OldCoder |
It actually finished an hour ago but I have been writing documentation |
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worcliP |
dead irc |
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* VanessaE |
hands Pilcrow a mirror |
| 09:00 |
Pilcrow |
hi! |
| 09:00 |
VanessaE |
hey |
| 09:01 |
Pilcrow |
just finished playing minetest for 5 hours... :P |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
and none of it on my server? :( |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
servers* |
| 09:03 |
Pilcrow |
eh, I prefer private games with 2 or 3 well-known and trusted people... :) |
| 09:03 |
VanessaE |
aw :( |
| 09:04 |
Pilcrow |
also, we're sort of making a game. mostly just a random collection of mods, but many are heavily modified and not available anywhere else... |
| 09:04 |
VanessaE |
gotchya |
| 09:10 |
Pilcrow |
and I've got a 3d torches mod I'm not even sure I CAN release... it's a heavily modified combination of BlockMen's torch code (which is WTFPL) and babe223's code (which is unlicensed) |
| 09:10 |
Pilcrow |
with babe223's code in there, I'm not sure it's legal to post... |
| 09:11 |
VanessaE |
not unless babe gives you permission to do so (and under what license is best) |
| 09:11 |
Pilcrow |
yeah, that's what I thought... |
| 09:12 |
Pilcrow |
the general functions are all gone, but I haven't replaced his nodebox code or textures. that's all that remains... |
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Pilcrow |
not sure babe is with us much any more, anyway; he hasn't posted in 3 months or so... |
| 09:24 |
Pilcrow |
I'll probably just have to make my own nodeboxes and textures |
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Jordach |
ello proller |
| 10:00 |
proller |
hi |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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Jordach |
not sleeping VE? |
| 10:09 |
VanessaE |
going to bed soon |
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* Jordach |
is trying to work out how to add stuff |
| 10:11 |
Jordach |
basically, my fingers do not sit 90 flush against the wrist |
| 10:12 |
specing |
Wooo |
| 10:12 |
specing |
[87897.423370] NVRM: GPU at 0000:01:00.0 has fallen off the bus. |
| 10:13 |
specing |
while smashing a block :S |
| 10:16 |
VanessaE |
so the bus went barreling past a wall and the GPU just sorta toppled off the side and slammed into the block the wall is made of? :) |
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specing |
kinda |
| 10:20 |
Jordach |
serves you right for going bitcoin |
| 10:25 |
specing |
I didn't go bitcoin |
| 10:25 |
specing |
while smashing a <minetest> block |
| 10:25 |
Jordach |
oh |
| 10:26 |
VanessaE |
hahaha |
| 10:26 |
VanessaE |
of all the people to go that direction... |
| 10:26 |
VanessaE |
I'd have expected you, Jordach, to assume it was a Minetest block :D |
| 10:26 |
Jordach |
in btc terms, smashing a block is correct |
| 10:26 |
Jordach |
as well as minetest |
| 10:26 |
Jordach |
...and mc |
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* Jordach |
grumbles something about blender and weights |
| 10:29 |
VanessaE |
seems to me if it can't read, there's probably a handshake or protocol issue, in which case the GPU is simply not very polite...... |
| 10:29 |
* VanessaE |
hides |
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* Jordach |
might make a special render for Redcrab 0.4.6-<commit here> |
| 10:30 |
VanessaE |
0.4.4* |
| 10:31 |
Jordach |
really?! |
| 10:32 |
VanessaE |
... |
| 10:33 |
VanessaE |
I should sign on there once and see if it still works :) |
| 10:34 |
VanessaE |
(meh, I'm sure it's perfectly bugg...er...fine) |
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* Jordach |
remembers a time where the mapgen destroyed spawn, reverting chunks |
| 10:34 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 10:35 |
VanessaE |
I tried to make repairs but my efforts were feeble at best. didn't have enough pictures to go on |
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Jordach |
...spawn was crowded :P |
| 10:35 |
thexyz |
Jordach: have you tested android port yet? |
| 10:36 |
Jordach |
thexyz, post that apk sucka |
| 10:36 |
VanessaE |
I'll be damned. it still works |
| 10:36 |
VanessaE |
and it still runs 0.4.4 :P |
| 10:36 |
thexyz |
Jordach: search the log |
| 10:36 |
Jordach |
damn |
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Jordach |
thexyz, was it last night on this channel |
| 10:37 |
specing |
alright |
| 10:37 |
specing |
reflow in 5...4... |
| 10:37 |
thexyz |
yes |
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specing |
great, now my room smells of superheated thermal paste |
| 10:46 |
specing |
ahhh second world problems |
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Jordach |
thexyz, nearly done |
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Jordach |
moving files... |
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* VanessaE |
wanders off to bed. |
| 10:56 |
VanessaE |
night. |
| 10:57 |
* Jordach |
tests if it works on VanessaE's server |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
\o/ |
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Jordach |
thexyz, loading VE-Survival |
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Jordach |
(copied everything using my flash drive as USB) |
| 11:01 |
Jordach |
thexyz, join server button is missing from android |
| 11:01 |
Jordach |
i had to use android's enter key |
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Jordach |
wtf: media loads faster on droid than my own git machine |
| 11:06 |
Jordach |
I CALL HAX. |
| 11:09 |
specing |
SSD? |
| 11:10 |
Jordach |
droids use flash. but i'm not sure if it counts as an ssd |
| 11:10 |
specing |
it does |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Anti-Corruption Day! :-D |
| 11:12 |
specing |
my country's anticorruption comitte quit in protest, lol |
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Jordach |
$5 mIRC script :D |
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Jordach |
full media bar |
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Jordach |
thexyz, incoming pics |
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Jordach |
thexyz, i average 15-28fps on tableyt |
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Jordach |
-y |
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Jordach |
playable, but i'd enjoy a virtual joypad |
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Jordach |
thexyz, http://imgur.com/a/3KnrY |
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proller |
where where where link ? |
| 11:30 |
Jordach |
check yesterday's logs |
| 11:30 |
Jordach |
ctrl+f : apk |
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proller |
found |
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proller |
fail on my zopo |
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Jordach |
woot |
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Jordach |
if my MOTHER'S CHEAP CHINESE droid tablet can run minetest, then i'm sure anyone can |
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Jordach |
\o/ a flash game allows me to modify the designs of objects using UV UNWRAPS |
| 11:58 |
Peacock |
flash is evil, RMS compels you! repent! |
| 11:58 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 11:59 |
Jordach |
> using GNASH |
| 12:00 |
Peacock |
a freetard would say it's still a proprietary format, and everytime you use it, bill gates rapes a starving african child :P |
| 12:00 |
Peacock |
does gnash work any better than the other thing though? my YT keeps crashing |
| 12:01 |
Jordach |
gnash works, but it isn't truly flash 11.x.x.x.x compatible yet |
| 12:02 |
Peacock |
ugh, everytime i play games on w7 im reminded how nice it is to not have youtube/flash pull a hindenburg when i try to seek on the video lol |
| 12:09 |
Jordach |
we shouldn't really knock BG anymore |
| 12:10 |
Peacock |
well i was being sarcastic :P its true that BG has actually helped more poor people with his money than what the FSF does with it's own money |
| 12:10 |
Jordach |
they gave me a car, i did this: http://i.imgur.com/VwZ79Yy.png |
| 12:11 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, the UV Wrap was infact 1024px, so i decided on scaling default upto 256 and tiling them with grid mode and erasing parts |
| 12:13 |
Jordach |
where it would look physically wrong |
| 12:14 |
Jordach |
john_minetest, fun fact: i've got a pickup that is saints row purple with the saints logo on the front |
| 12:18 |
JamesTait |
hello, john_minetest. ;) |
| 12:18 |
JamesTait |
See, I even kept the capitalisation the same. :-P |
| 12:19 |
JamesTait |
john_minetest, I'll keep it in a locked glass case and treasure it forever. ;) |
| 12:20 |
JamesTait |
Unless your government is significantly more clueful than ours (not difficult, admittedly), the IRC logs are safe. ;) |
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Peacock |
i read something about that |
| 12:23 |
Peacock |
was it a german science minister? |
| 12:23 |
Peacock |
i thought i read it in spiegel, might have been another country though |
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JamesTait |
Wow. Meanwhile our MPs are busily trying to work out the next scam to pay for their second and third homes at the tax-payers' expense. |
| 12:26 |
Jordach |
JamesTait, just ask Syria and the Thai, they might give us a clue on this problem... |
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Peacock |
ok yeah it was germany/spiegel |
| 12:27 |
Peacock |
im sure she's not the first entitled fuck to get away with cheating in college lol |
| 12:27 |
Jordach |
..if they cut military pay, we might have the military break rank and take on their puppeteers |
| 12:28 |
Peacock |
soldiers are already paid shit |
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Peacock |
MPs are the ones who are overpayed |
| 12:28 |
Peacock |
get a generous pension after a few years of half-assed work |
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specing |
Can someone tell me what are those blocks in bottom left and right corners? https://raw.github.com/Zeg9/minetest-ufos/images/Crafting_ufo.png |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Optimize shaders code. Add settings at compile time. dae03382bf 2013-12-09T04:28:50-08:00 http://git.io/4SLubw |
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specing |
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specing |
this is hard to steer |
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specing |
It keeps knocking me back :( |
| 12:40 |
specing |
every single fucking vehicle |
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specing |
Wtf I just fell down |
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specing |
WHeres my UFo?! |
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specing |
The power bar was 90% red goddamnit!!! |
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reactor |
wned. |
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Peacock |
well like i said, buying papers seems to be a common thing in colleges and universities these days |
| 12:47 |
Peacock |
i should start a bitcoin marketplace for papers lol |
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reactor |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
reactor: Document isn't HTML |
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reactor |
lulz |
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reactor |
Putin. I wonder when he puts out. |
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Jordach |
john_minetest, VE-Survival :D |
| 12:49 |
Peacock |
well cheating is cheating, i care less about the methods |
| 12:49 |
Jordach |
experiments are repeatable |
| 12:50 |
Peacock |
well its only science if you can reproduce results, which is why psychiatry is somewhat a joke |
| 12:50 |
Jordach |
exactly |
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Jordach |
no two people (in that field) will produce the same results |
| 12:51 |
reactor |
Psychiatry is not a joke. |
| 12:52 |
reactor |
The problem is, there are never repeatable conditions. |
| 12:52 |
reactor |
s/are never/never are/ |
| 12:52 |
reactor |
There aren't two patients with exactly same problems. |
| 12:53 |
reactor |
Generalising different cases, you may establish some relations. |
| 12:53 |
Peacock |
like when they tried giving me pills for OCD, they were pretty much just guessing, i would have had the same odds getting prescriptions from a slot machine in vegas lol |
| 12:53 |
reactor |
There surely is no knowledge yet about what really happens in our head and in our mind. |
| 12:54 |
reactor |
But there are many more or less successful interpretations. |
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proller |
reactor, /usr/ports/games/freeminer |
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reactor |
proller: ? |
| 12:55 |
reactor |
Howdy. |
| 12:55 |
reactor |
Well, I'll look into it when I have a suitably large chunk of time. |
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reactor |
john_minetest: ? |
| 12:55 |
reactor |
There is also E. Berne. |
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reactor |
They were not. |
| 12:56 |
reactor |
I like their ideas, so far. |
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Peacock |
freud thought everything was related to sex lol |
| 12:57 |
reactor |
It's complicated, Peacock, we can not actually say that. |
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reactor |
He used sexual terms for both sexual and non-sexual. |
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reactor |
But the energy that drives sexual and non-sexual is the same. |
| 12:58 |
reactor |
No, don't change your road. |
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reactor |
You can just read on psych. |
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Peacock |
complicated in relationships usually means = if i leave her, i'll have to pay child support, and i sure as shit wont get custody lol |
| 12:58 |
reactor |
Peacock: you're tearing my words out of context. |
| 12:58 |
reactor |
The argument is over. |
| 12:59 |
reactor |
But we're not doing psych here, we're merely discussing psych. |
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reactor |
I terminated the argument going to nowhere, that's it. |
| 13:00 |
reactor |
If you would like to perform mutual psychotherapy, register a channel for that. |
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Jordach |
we need a programming language for psych |
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Jordach |
john_minetest, 5/5 would dream again |
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reactor |
Dreams usually offer solution to something. |
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Jordach |
ain't that right |
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reactor |
That is, if you ever meet aliens, tell them to attack that school. |
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Jordach |
i've solved so many boss fights by sleeping :P |
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Peacock |
lol every shrink asks about childhood abuse |
| 13:04 |
reactor |
Sometimes people's minds makes up childhood traumas. |
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reactor |
s/minds/mind/ |
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Peacock |
unless your a soldier suffering from PTSD, they can't really conceive of shit happening later on that affects people |
| 13:05 |
reactor |
Those are probably the wrong srinks. |
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reactor |
s/sri/shri/ |
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Peacock |
im sure plenty of people make up miserable childhoods for the attention, which sucks for those with real issues |
| 13:05 |
reactor |
Not only that. |
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reactor |
Sometimes, people's minds do that for them. |
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reactor |
Fantasy can be very misleading. |
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Peacock |
of course, the notion of perceived injustices wasn't invented along with psychiatry |
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Peacock |
there was a recent article on slashdot about diet pills, something like 600 comments, most very entertaining, you gotta love the mental gymnastics people go through |
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reactor |
Peacock: ? |
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reactor |
There are diet pills. |
| 13:07 |
reactor |
Are there forgetting pills? |
| 13:07 |
Peacock |
http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/12/07/0240214/diet-drugs-work-why-wont-doctors-prescribe-them |
| 13:08 |
Peacock |
odd that a geek site should stir more controversy with a diet/fat article than most tech articles lol but i chalk that up to alot of geeks being in bad health |
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Peacock |
i think alot of shrinks must get a kick out of reading ./ comments lol |
| 13:12 |
reactor |
This is exactly why I do not want to be called a geek. |
| 13:13 |
Peacock |
well apart from the usual proficiency with technology, the term also has connotations of physical and mental health problems lol |
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reactor |
Yes. |
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reactor |
Exactly that, Peacock. |
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Peacock |
thankfully the dot-com bubble burst when i was due for college, so i didn't go into IT lol |
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Peacock |
besides the pay now is shit and you're competing with foreigners abroad and at home for your job, IT requires constant education (new tech) and there's alot of ageism in it |
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Peacock |
well if you're smart you go into consulting after 15-20 years |
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Peacock |
or have a plan B to start some sort of business |
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Jordach |
software development is balls |
| 13:17 |
Jordach |
there's 5% programming and 95% bullshit |
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Peacock |
job requirements change all the time depending on what the flash-in-the-pan language of the day is lol |
| 13:17 |
Jordach |
programmers program, not fucking admin a business |
| 13:18 |
Peacock |
say what you will, mba's make more than programmers |
| 13:18 |
Jordach |
not how my book states it |
| 13:18 |
Peacock |
zucky didn't get rich programming, he found a concept, exploited it, and capitalized it |
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Peacock |
most of the people working for him in the beginning just got burned |
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Jordach |
any tech company with don't be evil slogans should not go into the stock market |
| 13:19 |
Jordach |
and that's where Canonical will be heading |
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Peacock |
yeah thats why the EU has a huge defence industry :P |
| 13:20 |
Peacock |
and every other major power |
| 13:20 |
Peacock |
at least google doesn't make weapons |
| 13:21 |
Peacock |
given the choice between a little targeted advertising, and CCTV cameras on every street corner, which would you prefer? |
| 13:21 |
Jordach |
Google should just buy Egypt... |
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Jordach |
and greece |
| 13:21 |
Peacock |
the chinese are buying greece : |
| 13:21 |
Peacock |
*:P |
| 13:21 |
reactor |
People should eat better food and do more PT. |
| 13:21 |
reactor |
Not look for miracle pills. |
| 13:22 |
reactor |
In most cases, people become obese due to lack of willpower. |
| 13:22 |
Peacock |
well for losing weight the equation is simple, take in less calories than you burn, and yes, the rates are different for everyone, thats why you have to find your own balance |
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Peacock |
its always funny to see people blame their weight on some illness, illnesses that don't seem to have the same effect on people in 3rd world countries lol |
| 13:25 |
reactor |
Heck yeah. |
| 13:25 |
reactor |
Plain overeating |
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reactor |
Bad taste. |
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Peacock |
well technically german banks bought greece, and german taxpayers are on the hooks for that lousy investment :P i dont envy either the greeks or the germans |
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Exio4 |
[10:17:33] <Jordach> there's 5% programming and 95% bullshit |
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Exio4 |
if you count debugging and thinking the algorithms as part of the "bullshit" |
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Peacock |
so that's why OSS is bullshit-free :P |
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Exio4 |
hm? |
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Exio4 |
you say opensource programs aren't debugged? nor "developed"? |
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Peacock |
i was kidding :P |
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Peacock |
damnit, should have known the cat wouldn't make it easy to put the garland in the tree lol |
| 14:10 |
nore |
nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3618376377.png <-- any thought on this? |
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nore |
+s |
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Peacock |
cannot click |
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Jordach |
arsdragonfly, having issues with the great firewall? |
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nore |
http://nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3618376377.png |
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nore |
Peacock, now you can... |
| 14:11 |
Peacock |
looks good except for the tiny snow spot, microclimate? |
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Jordach |
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST nore |
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nore |
no, it is not that tiny... it is the village that is huge |
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Exio4 |
so, you can't copy a link by hand Peacock? |
| 14:12 |
Peacock |
careful jordach, saint ninja doesn't like foul language :P |
| 14:12 |
Peacock |
i can but why bother when client supports click -> goto url |
| 14:13 |
Peacock |
copy, open browser, paste & go, vs typing http:// :P |
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Exio4 |
don't you have the browser always open? |
| 14:14 |
Exio4 |
i have it in autostart |
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Peacock |
not always, nor should anyone assume everyone does :P |
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arsdragonfly |
Jordach the 3g network is just unstable and slow... wifi works fine for me and doesn't drop so often |
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Jordach |
arsdragonfly, oh. i just thought the big boys were giving the rough shoulder |
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reactor |
http://nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3618376377.png |
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reactor |
Never omit the protocol. |
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Peacock |
roads are as wide as houses though, planning on adding bigger buildings for cityscapes? |
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sapier |
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Advanced spawning mod 0.0.5 https://github.com/sapier/adv_spawning/ |
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nore |
Peacock, perhaps... |
| 14:18 |
Jordach |
YES, HELL YES |
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nore |
wait a moment, I'm committing, if you want the code |
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nore |
there: https://github.com/Novatux/mg/commit/ffa67991d1c65bfea30f91cc84a46638694facde |
| 14:19 |
Peacock |
if most of my recent crap wasn't postmodern stuff that only looks good once id give some blueprints, though they're probably too big anyways |
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Jordach |
btw, when we do binary logic (with wires) i use your mesecons simulator |
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nore |
this one is getting really old... does it still work, though? |
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Jordach |
it still works |
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Jordach |
with python3 |
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Jordach |
btw. hv batbox needs to charge devices quicker.... |
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Jordach |
that HV Drill takes ages |
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Megaf |
ShadowNinja, |
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Megaf |
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
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Megaf |
0x084530bb in irr::gui::CGUIFont::getDimension(wchar_t const*) const () |
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Megaf |
nothing more really useful |
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Megaf |
and with or without quote on debug it does not matter |
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Megaf |
#1 0x085c74ff in irr::gui::CGUIEditBox::calculateScrollPos() () |
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Megaf |
No symbol table info available. |
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Megaf |
#2 0xbfffd038 in ?? () |
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Megaf |
No symbol table info available. |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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Jordach |
aww minetestbot |
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Jordach |
wot |
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Jordach |
woot |
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Jordach |
adding bone locks to make life easier |
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sapier |
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Monorail 0.0.18 ... now featuring carts mimicry mode .... for those of you addicted to carts graphics |
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reactor |
? |
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Jordach |
hey Enke |
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Enke |
Hi. |
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* Jordach |
is rendering something special |
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Jordach |
Calinou, can the mirror on a material "stop" other materials from being reflected |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
where? |
| 16:13 |
Calinou |
there are no mirrors in minetest, |
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Jordach |
Calinou, rendering wise |
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Jordach |
(blender) |
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Calinou |
I don't know |
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Calinou |
try #blender |
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Jordach |
apparently disabling traceable stops it, but then it doesn't look good when fully rendered |
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Jordach |
meh |
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Jordach |
hacked it and made the sides non mirror |
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Jordach |
expermental model coming right up |
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EvergreenTree |
evergreen.init("Hi") |
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* Exio4 |
sets evergreentree=nil |
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Jordach |
heh |
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Jordach |
i prefer BI |
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Jordach |
as you just said |
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Jordach |
you might call me BI-curious ;P |
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Jordach |
modeling and rendering does it for me |
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Jordach |
i've reworked my entire gen 4 model, matching most of the happy gleyson model i found a few weeks ag |
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Peacock |
by bi-curious you mean you make love to women and yourself? :P |
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Jordach |
ago* |
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Jordach |
dammit Peacock |
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Peacock |
lol |
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Enke |
*sigh* You people... :P |
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Peacock |
this is the song of my people |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/f7XdZuW.png |
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Jordach |
there |
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Jordach |
done. |
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Jordach |
as you asked |
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Enke |
it... it's staring into my soul... |
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* EvergreenTree |
runs |
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EvergreenTree |
Anyone want an apple? |
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Jordach |
nom nom nom |
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EvergreenTree |
/s/apple/pinecone |
| 16:38 |
EvergreenTree |
You just ate a pineone |
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EvergreenTree |
:P |
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Jordach |
dat noise |
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Jordach |
with AO |
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Jordach |
i know for a fact that noise is made by Ambient Occulsion |
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Jordach |
10 light samples usually fix it |
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Jordach |
(rule of thumb - default light samples are 5, 10 samples double render time, but remove annoying noise) |
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harrison |
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/nsa-spies-online-games-world-warcraft-second-life |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/lUHT8QS.png |
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Jordach |
EvergreenTree, john_minetest, ^ |
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thexyz |
Jordach: did you enjoy the lagfest? |
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Jordach |
thexyz, 15-25 fps on my mother's cheap chinese tablet |
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Jordach |
(drawtime was roughly in the 40s) |
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Exio4 |
20s? |
| 16:50 |
Jordach |
drawtime = 40 in debug mode |
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thexyz |
Jordach: wait, how did you measure the fps? |
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Exio4 |
ms |
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Jordach |
thexyz, averaging against my own machine |
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RealBadAngel |
anyone can build current mt and check the shaders? |
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Jordach |
i made sure that my pc had 18fps (my home at VE-Survival will do that |
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RealBadAngel |
i think they speeded up a lot, at least they did for me |
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thexyz |
hah |
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thexyz |
I should add the fps string somewhere |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
anyway, is it playable? |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
and what are your tablet specs |
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Jordach |
playable if moving didn't dig anytime i turned or moved |
| 16:51 |
Jordach |
you touched the screen: diggy diggy |
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thexyz |
well the controls are here just to show that I can |
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thexyz |
they aren't supposed to be usable |
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Exio4 |
RealBadAngel: compiling |
| 16:52 |
thexyz |
playable as in can you play without being annoyed by constant lag |
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Jordach |
thexyz, i did manage to walk around |
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thexyz |
well i did too but it was unplayable for me because every time I turned around it started lagging like hell |
| 16:53 |
thexyz |
I guess without a video it's impossible to know |
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Jordach |
thexyz, turning was smooth |
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Jordach |
btw, i did manage to let the media of vanessa's survival fully load: OOM |
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Jordach |
hey BlockMen |
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Exio4 |
wow |
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Exio4 |
neat RealBadAngel |
| 16:55 |
Exio4 |
it was unplayable before with "far" views |
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BlockMen |
hi Jordach |
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BlockMen |
congrats to minetest on tablet |
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Peacock |
someone cracked buildcraft? |
| 16:56 |
Jordach |
Peacock, it says freeminer in the corner |
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Exio4 |
it is a legit port |
| 16:57 |
Peacock |
well anyone can change the name :P the timing just seems coincidental :P |
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Peacock |
but what happened to buildcraft itself? did someone report it or did they pull it themselves? |
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RealBadAngel |
Exio4, so, are they faster for you now? |
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Jordach |
pulled themselves due to lgpl and gpl violations |
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Exio4 |
RealBadAngel: they are |
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Exio4 |
no idea how much |
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Exio4 |
but they are ;P |
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RealBadAngel |
good |
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RealBadAngel |
next feature to come: http://i.imgur.com/22d4H4Z.png |
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RealBadAngel |
this is grid by now, but you can see how the effect will look like |
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proller |
peoples still playing with buildcraft clients on servers |
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RealBadAngel |
those are default textures without any modifications |
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RealBadAngel |
just shaders option enabled |
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RealBadAngel |
Bumped texture pack will be hardcoded, and even more lightweight |
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Enke |
RealBadAngel: they look like legos. |
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Jordach |
you must be bricking it by now ;) |
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RealBadAngel |
same coloured areas will have same elevation |
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RealBadAngel |
so shades will be not for a pixel but for an area |
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* Jordach |
might be closer to making a working mouth |
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EvergreenTree |
Oh, so you're building another model based off of the one someone else made? |
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Jordach |
EvergreenTree, i'm upgrading my gen 4 model |
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EvergreenTree |
mkay |
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Jordach |
jaw works |
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Jordach |
and so does it's distance limiter |
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RealBadAngel |
hmmm actually adding lego shape normal map for each texture is not that bad idea |
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thexyz |
> almost 2014 |
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thexyz |
> having less than 32 gb of ram |
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reactor |
? |
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Exio4 |
>having less than four threads |
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thexyz |
that too |
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thexyz |
> minetest still has -j2 as make option in readme |
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thexyz |
-j25 all the day every day |
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Calinou |
32GB of RAM costs about $300 these days |
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Calinou |
most people still have 2 threads these days too :P |
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Calinou |
(2013, and no easy way to determine how many threads someone has?) |
| 17:35 |
* SylvieLorxu |
has 2GB of RAM |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
8GB here |
| 17:36 |
thexyz |
[100%] Built target minetest |
| 17:36 |
thexyz |
359.72user 10.74system 0:40.99elapsed 903%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 1245264maxresident)k |
| 17:36 |
Exio4 |
12 gb here |
| 17:36 |
whirm |
Calinou: export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=$(grep processor /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l) |
| 17:36 |
RealBadAngel |
4gb here |
| 17:36 |
thexyz |
Calinou: grep proc /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l |
| 17:36 |
thexyz |
oh too late |
| 17:36 |
whirm |
heh |
| 17:36 |
Calinou |
lol, I just got goomba'd in enemy territory |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
whirm/thexyz: then put that in the readme, so that it does the -j stuff for you |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
make -j$(grep proc /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l) ↠would this work? |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
meh who cares |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
I think it should |
| 17:37 |
Jordach |
fucking bash pipes, how i hate thou |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
the simpler the command is the less chance there's something that goes wrong |
| 17:38 |
Jordach |
suggest make -j5 and be done with it |
| 17:38 |
thexyz |
make -j |
| 17:38 |
thexyz |
it was hard to code so it should be hard to compile too |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
-j is much slower than not specyfing the threads? |
| 17:39 |
thexyz |
Jordach: btw, connect button is there but I guess the keyboard just overlaps it |
| 17:39 |
thexyz |
Calinou: I think -j just spawns a process for every source file |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
thexyz, wasn't visible on my resolution |
| 17:40 |
thexyz |
Jordach: what's your resolution? |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
dunnp |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
dunno* |
| 17:40 |
thexyz |
the menu is 800x600 i think |
| 17:40 |
thexyz |
static |
| 17:40 |
thexyz |
because fuck formspecs |
| 17:41 |
thexyz |
seriously |
| 17:41 |
thexyz |
we should just have webkit or something |
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| 17:41 |
Calinou |
librocket! |
| 17:41 |
* Calinou |
runs |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
oh yeah, I've seen this one |
| 17:42 |
Inocudom |
VanessaE, would you be able to apply RealBadAngel's shaders to Bas080's trees mod. It looks like Bas080 does not come on much. |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
wonder how well it performs |
| 17:42 |
reactor |
IllÑŒsions? |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
now let's talk about android, ndk and debugging |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
ndk-gdb is shit, everyone agrees? |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
to use clang address sanitizer I had to build cyanogenmod for my device with build type set to eng |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
what an awful platform |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
and then you know what |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
i've got those red borders flashing, just like when you enable "strict mode" in developer settings menu; but not disableable |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
so i had to comment some line in some source file and rebuild this crapshit again |
| 17:44 |
thexyz |
how's that? |
| 17:46 |
thexyz |
https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/issues/10#issuecomment-30154207 |
| 17:47 |
thexyz |
i think i should just copy m*******t |
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hoodedice |
Sokomine: You made a mod |
| 17:50 |
hoodedice |
That changes colour of input_block |
| 17:50 |
thexyz |
no one ever talks to me :( |
| 17:50 |
hoodedice |
Your name contains the most hated letters in the universe |
| 17:50 |
hoodedice |
XD |
| 17:50 |
* Jordach |
picks up thexyz and pets him |
| 17:51 |
reactor |
? |
| 17:51 |
hoodedice |
Anyone else knows which one this is, can't seem to find it =/ |
| 17:51 |
Jordach |
hoodedice, prototype Generation 5 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121404#p121404 |
| 17:52 |
thexyz |
<3 |
| 17:52 |
hoodedice |
Nice |
| 17:52 |
hoodedice |
But you still didn't make the gun XD |
| 17:53 |
hoodedice |
FOUND IT! |
| 17:53 |
hoodedice |
Page 10 Modding General |
| 17:54 |
RealBadAngel |
well, im fucking suprised by what i did |
| 17:54 |
RealBadAngel |
hold on for screenshots |
| 17:55 |
hoodedice |
Did we finally port FB3 to MT? |
| 17:55 |
hoodedice |
*you |
| 17:55 |
RealBadAngel |
you wanted lego world? |
| 17:55 |
hoodedice |
Jordach: The early days: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=31713#p31713 |
| 17:55 |
RealBadAngel |
here you go: http://i.imgur.com/NbOIZqP.jpg |
| 17:56 |
hoodedice |
My Gawd. |
| 17:56 |
nore |
... |
| 17:56 |
hoodedice |
(Still boycotts Danish products) |
| 17:57 |
hoodedice |
Why not name it... |
| 17:57 |
nore |
let me guess: same normal map for all nodes? |
| 17:57 |
hoodedice |
Le-test! |
| 17:57 |
iqualfragile |
recommend torrent client |
| 17:57 |
hoodedice |
Transmission on *buntu |
| 17:57 |
hoodedice |
Dayum fast |
| 17:58 |
RealBadAngel |
nore, yes |
| 17:58 |
hoodedice |
I think you might have to increase the bumping |
| 17:58 |
hoodedice |
thingy |
| 17:59 |
hoodedice |
Looks like the round bumpy things are 0.0001 mm |
| 17:59 |
nore |
hoodedice, it is not possible to do more without creating new polygons... bumpmapping only affects the way the texture is rendered |
| 18:00 |
hoodedice |
hmm |
| 18:00 |
hoodedice |
So I knew... |
| 18:00 |
RealBadAngel |
actually map doesnt have to be same resolution as texture |
| 18:00 |
nore |
it changes the way light is calculated according to a map showing how the normals to the surface are perturbated |
| 18:00 |
hoodedice |
Overly Exaggerated Shaders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow8UxGsqbCI |
| 18:01 |
hoodedice |
I mean, bumps |
| 18:01 |
thexyz |
iqualfragile: rtorrent |
| 18:01 |
RealBadAngel |
so more detailed map, effect is smoother |
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| 18:02 |
hoodedice |
yo PilzAdam |
| 18:02 |
PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 18:02 |
nore |
hi |
| 18:02 |
hoodedice |
Me first ! |
| 18:03 |
iqualfragile |
salü pa |
| 18:03 |
thexyz |
iqualfragile: + rutorrent if you don't want to learn rtorrent's interface |
| 18:03 |
iqualfragile |
ruterrent? sounds interesting |
| 18:03 |
nore |
hoodedice, /me will make a script to auto-greet everyone then... |
| 18:03 |
iqualfragile |
i basicly do not care about the interface, cli would be best i think |
| 18:04 |
iqualfragile |
but it needs to support utp and udp trackers |
| 18:04 |
hoodedice |
-.- @nore |
| 18:04 |
hoodedice |
Later peeps |
| 18:04 |
reactor |
nore: that would suck. |
| 18:04 |
hoodedice |
(Me first) |
| 18:04 |
reactor |
The channel would become empty. |
| 18:05 |
nore |
I know... and I wouldn't do it of course |
| 18:05 |
nore |
it was not me that claimed to be the first... |
| 18:05 |
thexyz |
iqualfragile: http://i.imgur.com/ZRV9726.png |
| 18:05 |
reactor |
I've been on a network where people have such kind of greeting bots and other shit. |
| 18:05 |
reactor |
It was crap. |
| 18:05 |
thexyz |
oh right |
| 18:06 |
thexyz |
I had some problems with UDP, it seems that you'll have to forward ports by hand |
| 18:06 |
iqualfragile |
yeah, no problem |
| 18:06 |
thexyz |
so inconvenient in the magic world of upnp |
| 18:06 |
iqualfragile |
ipv6 |
| 18:06 |
iqualfragile |
people need to start supporting it |
| 18:08 |
thexyz |
yes |
| 18:08 |
thexyz |
tell that to my network provider |
| 18:08 |
iqualfragile |
use sixxs |
| 18:08 |
thexyz |
why do I need it? |
| 18:09 |
iqualfragile |
it allows you use ipv6 even when your isp does not support it |
| 18:10 |
thexyz |
why do I need it? |
| 18:10 |
thexyz |
everything works |
| 18:10 |
RealBadAngel |
technic_game affected with legos :) http://i.imgur.com/cYFXXC6.png |
| 18:10 |
iqualfragile |
you would have ipv6 |
| 18:10 |
thexyz |
meh |
| 18:10 |
thexyz |
I don't *need* it |
| 18:10 |
iqualfragile |
ipv6 is awsome because multicasting |
| 18:10 |
thexyz |
see? |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
what's that and why do I need it? |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
my ISP supports IPV6, but I don't use it |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
too many incompatible stuff? |
| 18:14 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: well, you send a pacet once and it arives at multiple locations |
| 18:14 |
iqualfragile |
quite usefull for example for video conferences |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
and that's all? |
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| 18:15 |
thexyz |
I'm migrating to it tomorrow then |
| 18:15 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: nah, i just like that particiular feature |
| 18:15 |
iqualfragile |
routing will be better and faster |
| 18:16 |
iqualfragile |
everybody actually has an adress |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
look how adblock ruins the internet |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
https://easylist.adblockplus.org/blog/2013/05/10/anti-adblock-guide-for-site-admins |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
"we do not allow" |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
"it must" |
| 18:17 |
iqualfragile |
adblock is fucked up |
| 18:18 |
iqualfragile |
why would you use it? |
| 18:18 |
reactor |
It's shit. |
| 18:18 |
iqualfragile |
just use request policy, it fixes the internet |
| 18:18 |
thexyz |
I don't know |
| 18:18 |
reactor |
Why not use privoxy and someonewhocares' hosts list? |
| 18:18 |
thexyz |
I should stop using it, you're right |
| 18:19 |
thexyz |
or perhaps switch to blacklisting instead of whitelisting |
| 18:19 |
thexyz |
of ads |
| 18:19 |
reactor |
Aren't ads already blacklisted? |
| 18:21 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: just install request policy, it realy fixes the internet |
| 18:21 |
reactor |
Too bad it's only for Godzilla. |
| 18:21 |
reactor |
And my method works with any browser. |
| 18:22 |
iqualfragile |
reactor: what other browser would there be? |
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| 18:23 |
reactor |
iqualfragile: xombrero, for example. |
| 18:23 |
reactor |
I'm also going to check out uzbl. |
| 18:23 |
iqualfragile |
oh dear |
| 18:23 |
reactor |
They all do the same Firefox does. |
| 18:23 |
reactor |
Just not as full of shit. |
| 18:23 |
thexyz |
iqualfragile: is it available for chromium? |
| 18:23 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: i have no idea |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
I guess that no |
| 18:24 |
iqualfragile |
i do not like increasing googles might even more |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
what does it do? |
| 18:24 |
iqualfragile |
just search |
| 18:24 |
PilzAdam |
sapier, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7959 |
| 18:24 |
iqualfragile |
it disallows websites to load any recources from other domains |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
oh well |
| 18:24 |
iqualfragile |
the user can then manually allow them to do so |
| 18:24 |
thexyz |
I might as well disable HTML in my browser entirely |
| 18:25 |
iqualfragile |
wtf? |
| 18:25 |
iqualfragile |
it fixes ads and tracking |
| 18:25 |
thexyz |
I don't want to allow anything |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
I'm fine with ads and I don't care much about tracking |
| 18:26 |
iqualfragile |
in that case you do not need it |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
because ads give money to people who own sites I visit |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
I guess |
| 18:26 |
katyusha |
thexyz, have you considered running your own dns server? |
| 18:26 |
iqualfragile |
yes, but anything that moves is too fucking annoying |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
no, why? |
| 18:26 |
katyusha |
I run one on my machine locally that blocks advertisements |
| 18:26 |
katyusha |
using dnsmasq |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
iqualfragile: that's why I want blacklist, not whitelist |
| 18:27 |
reactor |
...I wish there was an option to _load_ ads (so that the money go to whoever hosts them), but not _display_ them. |
| 18:27 |
thexyz |
that's not how ads work |
| 18:27 |
reactor |
Or, to save the bandwidth, to _pretend to load_ them. |
| 18:27 |
reactor |
Oh? |
| 18:27 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/NbOIZqP.jpg |
| 18:28 |
thexyz |
faking views will just make advertising companies decrease revenue |
| 18:28 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: what if nobody knows that it are fake views? |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
if that solution will be popular enough then of course they'll know |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
you can just say "hey, we know that 2/3 of views are fake anyway" |
| 18:29 |
iqualfragile |
well, they will never know |
| 18:29 |
thexyz |
"so let's decrease revenue 3 times" |
| 18:30 |
thexyz |
also, I think most ad providers pay for clicks |
| 18:31 |
reactor |
imulate clicks. |
| 18:31 |
reactor |
Simulate* |
| 18:31 |
iqualfragile |
no, that would be fraud |
| 18:31 |
thexyz |
"and then since we know that 2/3 of clicks are fake anyway.." you get the point |
| 18:31 |
thexyz |
I'm raging about this because I've just installed some ads to my some homepage |
| 18:33 |
thexyz |
and 2/3 of visits use adblock |
| 18:34 |
FreeFull |
If they don't want to see they ads, they don't want to see the ads |
| 18:35 |
Peacock |
adblock has been pretty universal for a while now |
| 18:36 |
Peacock |
if people hadn't gone overboard with banners, popups and flash-ads, there wouldn't have been a need really |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
FreeFull: or they just installed it because hey it's cool or something |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
and now don't even know about ads |
| 18:36 |
Peacock |
i doubt anyone cares about ads |
| 18:36 |
PilzAdam |
what about people that use browsers that dont have the features needed to display the ads? |
| 18:37 |
reactor |
Peacock: true, in my case they only get in the way. |
| 18:37 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: statistical error |
| 18:37 |
reactor |
If the product is good, there are other ways you would know about it. |
| 18:37 |
reactor |
By socialising, for example. |
| 18:38 |
FreeFull |
I disable adblock for the websites I care about |
| 18:38 |
Peacock |
imagine on a netbook with a 10" screen, the ads take up most the real estate |
| 18:38 |
reactor |
True. |
| 18:38 |
thexyz |
depends on ads |
| 18:38 |
thexyz |
adblock disables everything |
| 18:38 |
PilzAdam |
there is a whitelist in adblock |
| 18:38 |
thexyz |
then tricks advertising companies into paying them |
| 18:38 |
thexyz |
to enable ads back |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
yes, that's called whitelist or something like that |
| 18:39 |
* BlockMen |
blocks everything that is not content related |
| 18:39 |
reactor |
"Allow showing some unintrusive advertising" |
| 18:39 |
FreeFull |
I look at it this way: The ads are downloaded to my computer. I'm not going to let my computer do something I don't want it to do. If the content creator really doesn't want me to see the content without seeing the ads, they shouldn't let me see the content. |
| 18:40 |
iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: NO, NO there is not whitelist in adblock |
| 18:40 |
reactor |
FreeFull: good point. |
| 18:40 |
iqualfragile |
its just a list of sites that the adblock devs forced to pay money to get their ads whitelisted |
| 18:40 |
reactor |
We're free to control how our machines display information. |
| 18:40 |
BlockMen |
iqualfragile, its called "Ausnahmen" under "Optionen" :P |
| 18:40 |
FreeFull |
iqualfragile: You can make your own whitelists, always could. And Plus doesn't have to be the adblock you use |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
FreeFull: that's cool but I'm afraid this is against AdSense rules |
| 18:41 |
thexyz |
so I can't even ask user to turn off adblock (with or without blocking the content) |
| 18:42 |
thexyz |
in the end users don't even know if there are ads, even if they like the site and want to support it |
| 18:42 |
FreeFull |
It helps that I also have flash set as click to play |
| 18:42 |
BlockMen |
thexyz, why not put it on the site then. "dear visitor, please enable ...."? |
| 18:42 |
thexyz |
BlockMen: > this is against AdSense rules |
| 18:43 |
PilzAdam |
BlockMen, "Hier könnte Ihre werbung stehen! (aber sie sehen sie nicht weil Sie adblock benutzen" ;-) |
| 18:43 |
* BlockMen |
didn't know |
| 18:43 |
BlockMen |
thexyz, ok |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
I didn't until not so long ago too |
| 18:45 |
thexyz |
in the end most of the time it's users that suffer (because no new features; site owners not interested in supporting it, etc) |
| 18:45 |
BlockMen |
PilzAdam, "Internet. Dafür wird Werbung gemacht?" :P |
| 18:46 |
sapier |
PilzAdam guess that's result of mintest folder structure messup |
| 18:46 |
PilzAdam |
sapier, messup? seems like you just forgot to look into sharedir |
| 18:47 |
sapier |
of o course and after that I forgot to look there and of course I didn't use my crystal ball to decide what is current location for this special user ... i know ;-P |
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sapier |
directory order needs to be specified I'm annoyed about changing back and forward once a months because someone thinks it's now wrong ;-P |
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MegafAtWork |
sfan5: ping |
| 18:50 |
PilzAdam |
sapier, just look at the code you replaced, that specifies the directories to look into |
| 18:50 |
sapier |
no I wont because there wasn't a screenshot before |
| 18:51 |
MegafAtWork |
PilzAdam: ShadowNinja: Hi there, I downloaded the latest build today again and still have same issue, cmaked it with Debug and warn all but gdb full wont give too useful info =/ |
| 18:51 |
MegafAtWork |
It keeps crashing eventually at the exact moment I hit enter to send a chat message |
| 18:52 |
MegafAtWork |
sometimes it will crash soon and sometimes I can play for hours without crashes |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
update your Irrlicht |
| 18:52 |
PilzAdam |
MegafAtWork, maybe try with a debug build of irrlicht |
| 18:52 |
sapier |
screeshot is loaded from wehre all other default textures are loaded if that file isn't there it's not a bug in mainmenu |
| 18:52 |
MegafAtWork |
Jordach, that could do indeed, I will try that when I get home, thanks |
| 18:53 |
MegafAtWork |
sfan5: nevermind |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
MegafAtWork, 1.7.3 is known to work fine |
| 18:56 |
MegafAtWork |
Jordach: It is the 1.7.3 |
| 18:56 |
MegafAtWork |
http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&keywords=irrlicht |
| 18:57 |
Jordach |
try 1.8 at best |
| 18:57 |
thexyz |
android build tells me it's 1.9.0 |
| 18:58 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: hm? |
| 18:58 |
MegafAtWork |
sfan5: I was just wondering about some stuff about World Edit |
| 18:58 |
MegafAtWork |
I will make a city like thing on my server and I will use a lot of hexagon shaped things |
| 18:59 |
MegafAtWork |
but I made up my mind already |
| 19:01 |
thexyz |
http://dogecoin.com/ |
| 19:05 |
MegafAtWork |
We have bitcoin already |
| 19:07 |
thexyz |
oh really? |
| 19:08 |
MegafAtWork |
lol |
| 19:09 |
MegafAtWork |
for my honeycomb like thing I think I will shape stuff manually and then use save and load to replicate |
| 19:10 |
MegafAtWork |
Are there screenshots of World Edit GUI? I'm curious about it |
| 19:16 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: the worldedit gui was discontinued |
| 19:16 |
sfan5 |
it is much faster to do things in a command anyway |
| 19:18 |
MegafAtWork |
yep, indeed, as I said, I'm just curious about it |
| 19:18 |
MegafAtWork |
sfan5: by the way, I found World Edit fantastic, thank you for it |
| 19:18 |
MegafAtWork |
I will buy you a beer or a soda if I meet you someday |
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| 19:29 |
MegafAtWork |
cya |
| 19:29 |
MegafAtWork |
ok, got to go |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: if your live near a popular tourist city that might happen one day |
| 19:29 |
MegafAtWork |
Bye |
| 19:29 |
thexyz |
heh |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
bye |
| 19:29 |
thexyz |
If the Author of the Software (the "Author") needs a place to crash and you have a sofa available, you should maybe give the Author a break and let him sleep on your couch. |
| 19:29 |
thexyz |
If you are caught in a dire situation wherein you only have enough time to save one person out of a group, and the Author is a member of that group, you must save the Author. |
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| 19:30 |
Peacock |
author = emergency rations, if you starve, eat him/her |
| 19:30 |
sfan5 |
but.. but... who will write all the software? |
| 19:31 |
thexyz |
we already have enough software! |
| 19:31 |
thexyz |
and it only gets worse and worse (gnome) |
| 19:38 |
Peacock |
pre-fisher-price gnome was better, xfce back then wasn't much useable, and i still find kde somewhat klunky lol |
| 19:39 |
Peacock |
though what annoys the most with kde is how alot of apps start with k |
| 19:39 |
Peacock |
it all feels very white supremacist |
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specing |
Any admins of the Minirealms server on here? |
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Megaf |
Back, at home |
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sfan5 |
lol http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sgm56/what_is_the_beststrangest_thing_you_have_seen/cdxdsle |
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sfan5 |
this one's even better |
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sfan5 |
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sgm56/what_is_the_beststrangest_thing_you_have_seen/cdxehbo |
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Jordach |
Interesting fact: select some text then hit quick quote to just do that section |
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thexyz |
wow |
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thexyz |
that's like what this link is for |
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* PilzAdam |
didnt knew that |
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BlockMen |
bye |
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| 20:32 |
Peacock |
with no heating on at all the temperature keeps rising to 23c, middle of a snow storm and i got the windows open lol |
| 20:32 |
VanessaE |
time to throttle some of your PCs back a bit :P |
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| 20:32 |
Peacock |
well even at night i only got 1 on and it goes up to 23 :P |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
add a fan in the window? :) |
| 20:33 |
Peacock |
the heatsink on the p4 is pretty shitty, and the PSU is 600w, but still |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
600W? that's rather overkill for a P4-based system isn't it? |
| 20:33 |
Peacock |
well the last one (400W) blew so i didn't want to take any chances lol |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
coulda cooked a grilled cheese on the last one lol |
| 20:35 |
Peacock |
the other comps' too young to have any new parts, the p4 barely has anything original left except the mobo and the case lol |
| 20:42 |
Peacock |
well its a good thing i got emergency supplies at the liquor store, looks like the snows' not about to end any time soon :P must finish tree |
| 20:42 |
Megaf |
Im using a Cooler Master PSU, 350 Watts |
| 20:42 |
Megaf |
more than enough |
| 20:43 |
Megaf |
and its from 2008 I think |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
well if an old 400w blew, i dont think smaller woulda worked for me |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
keep in mind the p4 didn't come OTS with wifi or shit like that, i had to add it later :P |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
and for awhile, it had two drives, ye old 160g PATA died last year |
| 20:45 |
Exio4 |
my desktop actually has more shit than my phone |
| 20:45 |
Exio4 |
wifi, bluetooth, 3g |
| 20:45 |
Exio4 |
i need a gps and i'm done! |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
i have a bluetooth dongle somewhere |
| 20:46 |
Exio4 |
i have it plugged all the time |
| 20:46 |
Peacock |
paying for 3g in canada is nonstop assrape though so i avoid it :P |
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Peacock |
as for my phone, it actually lasted the whole 3 year contract and still going strong lol |
| 20:47 |
Exio4 |
3g is fucking expensive, but it can be a good thing to have internet when the wifi router. main network doesn't work and you need to use the interwebz yes-or-yes |
| 20:47 |
Peacock |
well i just pay for my DSL, it rarely goes down |
| 20:47 |
Exio4 |
i have a 200mb plan on my phone, and if i use 3g, i use that chip |
| 20:47 |
Peacock |
200mb? |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
looking at my inbound in conky for today : uptime 9hrs42mn, inbound 123mb |
| 20:48 |
Exio4 |
200mb and after i used those mb, it is like 100 ars = 10 mb or some expensive shit |
| 20:48 |
Exio4 |
yeah, RX bytes:1513004452 (1.4 GiB) TX bytes:741632773 (707.2 MiB) |
| 20:48 |
Exio4 |
and 18~ hours of uptime, with uber-shitty network |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
if you look at it that way yeah i do have APN (internet on cell) and i can use it at a hotspot, but i would never lol |
| 20:49 |
Exio4 |
also, 41% of hannibal ep6 :D |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
i saw them all, cant wait for next season |
| 20:49 |
Exio4 |
i'm downloading them in fullHD |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
that dutch dude is even better at hannibal than the movie guy |
| 20:50 |
Exio4 |
hah |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
dunno, downloaded dvd and br quality, my eyes can't tell the difference (newer comp does br well) |
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| 20:51 |
Peacock |
what sucks is with older series you get really shitty rips that were done ten or more years ago |
| 20:51 |
Exio4 |
is your screen 1920x1080? :P |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
both |
| 20:52 |
Peacock |
24" is nice, but i want a bigger one, the HP can support 2 |
| 20:52 |
pitriss |
hi, please, is possible to log only warnings/errors in minetest server? |
| 20:52 |
Peacock |
though were thinking of converting an old door into a desk because it's getting ridiculous in our present setup lol |
| 20:53 |
Exio4 |
i only has a 21.5" screen cuz poor :P |
| 20:53 |
Peacock |
im not fucking rich either LOL im pretty oldschool by western standards, i save up for shit, dont use CC's |
| 20:53 |
Exio4 |
using credit card is actually cheaper, here |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
21"? luxury. I have a pair of 17's that I bought refurb;d. |
| 20:54 |
Peacock |
like i often told the wife, using CC's is like mortgaging future paycheques, and it's hella easy to put off paying for shit |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
weird V, 24" should be cheaper there than here |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
first 24" cost 200$ 4-5 years ago, the last 24" cost 130$ |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
I bought these years ago |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
they were the cheapest option at the time |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
and the 130$ one is LED and thinner than the first |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
eek |
| 20:55 |
VanessaE |
these were like $100 apiece |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
not bad, id hold onto them even if you got bigger ones |
| 20:56 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: if you buy some shit in 12, hm, cuotas (how do you say this in english?) with a 10% interest, it ends being cheaper because the inflation |
| 20:56 |
VanessaE |
one of them is dieing, so eventually I'll replace both (and give the good one to Abe as a secondary monitor for his box) |
| 20:56 |
VanessaE |
but for now, they serve. |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
you mean it's cheaper when inflation > interest? |
| 20:56 |
Exio4 |
yeah |
| 20:57 |
Exio4 |
think, my computer is 40% more now |
| 20:57 |
Peacock |
yeah here inflation is like, 2-3%, and CC interest is 19-23% |
| 20:57 |
VanessaE |
inflation here is closer to 10% |
| 20:57 |
VanessaE |
but the feds claim it's closer to 1.5% |
| 20:57 |
Exio4 |
and there are times when you get discouts of the 10% when using the CC + cuotas sin intereses |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
well by law we're supposed to get discounts when we pay cash |
| 20:58 |
VanessaE |
cuotas....tax? |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
all those financing plans for furniture and shit are usually padded for interest, then they charge interest on top lool |
| 20:58 |
VanessaE |
(sounds like value-added tax or sales tax or similar) |
| 20:59 |
Exio4 |
when you pay something in X months giving those months Z*1.interest/X money each month |
| 20:59 |
kaeza |
evenings |
| 20:59 |
VanessaE |
installments. |
| 20:59 |
Exio4 |
kaeza: ayudame a traducir |
| 21:00 |
Exio4 |
ah, k |
| 21:00 |
VanessaE |
hey kaeza |
| 21:00 |
Peacock |
dunno, i've done well so far avoiding credit lol |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
here if you avoid credit, you get screwed when you finally need it |
| 21:01 |
Megaf |
fuck |
| 21:01 |
Megaf |
im not playing this shit |
| 21:01 |
Megaf |
I just cant talk anymore |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
so play some other shit? |
| 21:01 |
Megaf |
I hit enter to send a chat message and this shit crashes |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
report it |
| 21:01 |
VanessaE |
#minetest-dev |
| 21:02 |
Peacock |
meh, if house prices keep going the way they are, i doubt ill be able to buy one anyhow lol |
| 21:02 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, I dont have useful info |
| 21:02 |
VanessaE |
run your client under gdb, using a debug build |
| 21:02 |
Peacock |
that chat segfault bug is still there? |
| 21:02 |
VanessaE |
get a full backtrace |
| 21:02 |
Megaf |
just a useless debug info that I did show to PilzAdam and ShadowNinja already |
| 21:02 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, I did, not useful at all |
| 21:02 |
VanessaE |
keep reporting it |
| 21:02 |
kaeza |
? |
| 21:03 |
VanessaE |
if you have to, yell about it every time it crashes |
| 21:03 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, and it always crashes in important conversations |
| 21:03 |
Megaf |
thats the most annoying thing |
| 21:03 |
Peacock |
long messages? |
| 21:03 |
Megaf |
hm |
| 21:03 |
Megaf |
is 10 words long? |
| 21:03 |
VanessaE |
sometimes you just have no choice but to make a big stink about it and keep making a big stink until someone fucking does something about it, you know what I mean? |
| 21:03 |
Peacock |
well mine always did that when i sent long messages lol |
| 21:03 |
Megaf |
see? |
| 21:04 |
Megaf |
Im not the only one |
| 21:04 |
Peacock |
V we might all be old men by then :P |
| 21:04 |
Megaf |
stinking shit |
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kaeza |
the chat crash bug has been happening rarely later (it never happened to me since somewhere in 0.4.7 → 0.4.8) |
| 21:04 |
Peacock |
yeah it's not new by any measure |
| 21:05 |
Megaf |
PilzAdam, ShadowNinja, read what Peacock's saying |
| 21:05 |
Megaf |
wheres c55? |
| 21:05 |
VanessaE |
it still happens rarely for me even under 0.4.8, but *very* rarely |
| 21:05 |
VanessaE |
megaf, c55 is no longer the head of the project |
| 21:05 |
Jordach |
don't. Megaf. don't. |
| 21:05 |
Megaf |
Jordach, dont what? |
| 21:05 |
VanessaE |
it's more or less evenly divided among several core developers now |
| 21:05 |
Jordach |
do not bug c55 on trivial things |
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Exio4 |
don't bug c55 on any things |
| 21:06 |
gitfter |
megaf are a bastard |
| 21:06 |
Exio4 |
wat. |
| 21:06 |
Peacock |
but i wanted to paint my bathroom, and would like c55's input on colour schemes :( |
| 21:06 |
Megaf |
gitfter, you here? |
| 21:06 |
gitfter |
yes. |
| 21:06 |
gitfter |
YES. |
| 21:06 |
Exio4 |
lol Peacock |
| 21:06 |
Megaf |
gitfter, are you gifteronemo? |
| 21:06 |
gitfter |
YEES. |
| 21:06 |
Megaf |
gitfter, why the hell you grief my servers? |
| 21:06 |
VanessaE |
gitfter: his client crashed. chat bug. |
| 21:07 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, I just jailed him on my server |
| 21:07 |
gitfter |
i dont grief your servers... |
| 21:07 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: I presumed some action to that effect. |
| 21:07 |
Megaf |
gitfter, there are several variants of nicks gifteronemo who grief my server |
| 21:07 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: here, you can ask for credit in an ATM with an interest of 25%~ |
| 21:07 |
Megaf |
gitfter, what does gifteronemo means? |
| 21:08 |
Megaf |
is that a common word? |
| 21:08 |
Peacock |
yeah here its a cash advance on a credit card |
| 21:08 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: an ATM will extend you a line of credit O.o |
| 21:08 |
Peacock |
unless you have a line of credit on your bank account |
| 21:08 |
Peacock |
or overdraft |
| 21:08 |
VanessaE |
oh sure, if you have a credit/charge card, yeah |
| 21:08 |
VanessaE |
or overdraft. |
| 21:08 |
gitfter |
Megaf , Do you remember the good old times on your server where I came the first time? |
| 21:08 |
Exio4 |
debit card VanessaE |
| 21:08 |
Peacock |
same thing more or less |
| 21:09 |
Peacock |
the terms under which the bank has intercourse with you may be slightly different though |
| 21:09 |
Megaf |
gitfter, all I know is there are a lot of grefing that was done by a lot of people called gifteronemo |
| 21:09 |
gitfter |
it was so beautiful until it was larry page ... |
| 21:09 |
VanessaE |
banks here are misers. they won't extend loans, lines of credit, overdraft protection, or anything else similar without tons of good credit information and often good sources of income (despite you being able to actually pay for it) |
| 21:09 |
VanessaE |
gitfter, Megaf, take it to another channel. |
| 21:10 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: how much is a salary on the US? |
| 21:10 |
Exio4 |
normal one |
| 21:10 |
Exio4 |
not uber-low nor uber-nice |
| 21:10 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: median income is somewhere around $40 or $50k/yr. the average is closer to $30k/yr. "Middle class" would be somewhere north of $75k/yr. "Poverty" would be under $15k/yr or so. |
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VanessaE |
(all figures for 1-2 person households) |
| 21:11 |
Peacock |
V certainly the polar opposite of the era of NINJA loans pre 2007 |
| 21:11 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: no, those still exist. We call them "pay advance" loans. |
| 21:12 |
VanessaE |
(or "pay day loans" or similar. APY of close to 400 percent) |
| 21:12 |
Exio4 |
it is about 4500-5000 ARS here |
| 21:12 |
Exio4 |
/mo |
| 21:12 |
Peacock |
though if you want a healthy banking sector, they do have to be misers. we never liberalized our banks here to the same extent as the US |
| 21:12 |
Exio4 |
we're behind the line of poverty of the US |
| 21:13 |
Exio4 |
neat |
| 21:13 |
Peacock |
and when the US housing market crashed our dollar reached parity with yours, growing up it was 60cents/USD |
| 21:13 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: sure, but if you have the ability to pay, the bank should extend you the loan. they make money, you get he things you need/want. everyone wins. |
| 21:13 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: yeah but you can probably live quite nicely on $15k/yr where you live. here, you can barely afford to pay rent, utilities, and a healthy diet on that. |
| 21:13 |
Peacock |
so either they're being overly cautious or they're finding things in your credit history |
| 21:14 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: people here rarely pays rent |
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* Jordach |
is seriously upgrading the gen 4 model |
| 21:14 |
gitfter |
esist a credit mod in minetest? |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: both. |
| 21:14 |
Peacock |
i prefer to pay rent lol |
| 21:14 |
Exio4 |
people normally owns the terrain |
| 21:14 |
Exio4 |
and the house, and so on |
| 21:15 |
gitfter |
with a credit you have more security |
| 21:15 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: people own land here too, but banks won't sell you the land without credit. |
| 21:15 |
VanessaE |
it's a vicious cycle. |
| 21:15 |
Exio4 |
tf? |
| 21:15 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 21:16 |
Exio4 |
there was even a credit from the gov |
| 21:16 |
Exio4 |
that gave people the posibility of having a terrain and make a house and so on |
| 21:16 |
VanessaE |
you have to find ways to build a good credit history, and you do that by finding ways to buy stuff on credit....but to buy stuff on credit, you usually need a good history, and if you wanna buy land or a house or a car and you don't have the cash for it up front, again you need good credit, so you're back to the beginning. |
| 21:16 |
gitfter |
example minetstcreditcard.gov |
| 21:16 |
VanessaE |
so basically, you're fucked. |
| 21:16 |
VanessaE |
gitfter: um, no. just, no. |
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Peacock |
i may end up buying a condo one day, but i have no need for a full house |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: to make it worse, there are like four agencies in this country, all of them privately-run, who track peoples' credit, and who everyone else refers to when checking someones credit, who basically don't have to answer to anyone. If they get your data wrong, good luck getting them to correct it (despite there being laws that should theoretically force them to). and if, like me, you've made mistakes in your life, good luck |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
getting them to help you clean up and start over. |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
in this country, if you don't maintain good credit all your life, you. are. fucked. |
| 21:19 |
Exio4 |
so it is a good thing i live in argentina, then |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 21:19 |
Exio4 |
ha |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
stay as far away from the USA as you ca |
| 21:19 |
Peacock |
well those agencies work for creditors, not debtors |
| 21:20 |
VanessaE |
can* |
| 21:20 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: they work for themselves :P |
| 21:20 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: if i go to the US i will end just buying tech shit |
| 21:20 |
Peacock |
well it's the creditors that pay for credit checks :P |
| 21:20 |
gitfter |
TeamSpeak is compatible in minetest? |
| 21:20 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: go to china. it's cheaper and you can buy direct from the source then :) |
| 21:20 |
Exio4 |
because, the shit that is 5k ARS here, is about 2.5k or less ARS |
| 21:20 |
VanessaE |
gitfter: minetest doesn't use stuff like that at all. |
| 21:20 |
Exio4 |
going to china is probably expensiver |
| 21:20 |
Peacock |
as for argentina > US, well i wouldn't go that far if you take into account the 2000 default and the inflation since then :P |
| 21:21 |
Exio4 |
the inflation was somewhat well til 2006~ |
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| 21:21 |
Peacock |
if anything latin america has more inequality, i should know, family members report back |
| 21:21 |
Exio4 |
i remember being a child and buying a 1.5l coke, cheetos, candies, and shit with a 10 ARS bill |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
that's cheap all right |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
now it'll cost you about twice that amoun |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
amount |
| 21:22 |
Exio4 |
that is about 70 ARS now |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
(depending on how large of a bag of cheetos) |
| 21:22 |
gitfter |
im making a 3d game :3 |
| 21:22 |
Exio4 |
or more, depends where you buy |
| 21:23 |
Peacock |
jesus, ever thought about debasing the currency? |
| 21:23 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: a medium-sized one of cheetos + 1.5l coke + medium sized lays + candy was 10 ARS |
| 21:23 |
gitfter |
more info... wait... |
| 21:23 |
Peacock |
for us 10$ is 2 cheeseburgers a poutine and a coke |
| 21:23 |
Exio4 |
now a 1.5l coke is about 15ARS if you buy packs of it, or normally 18ARS |
| 21:24 |
Exio4 |
and the medium sized pack of cheetos or lays are about 18 each, if you get them cheap that is |
| 21:24 |
Exio4 |
i rarely see them less 20 ARS |
| 21:24 |
Exio4 |
and i bought shit with 10 ARS in an "expensive place" |
| 21:25 |
gitfter |
here: http://www.develteam.com/Game/Night-in-Google/ |
| 21:25 |
Peacock |
they should debase the currency by one decimal place :P |
| 21:25 |
Peacock |
how much does a sixpack cost? |
| 21:25 |
Exio4 |
sixpack of what? coke 2.25l? |
| 21:25 |
Peacock |
beer :P |
| 21:26 |
Exio4 |
i never checked those prices, i drink about 8l of coke / week (at least) ;P |
| 21:26 |
Peacock |
i dont suppose you can tell me what a pack of 20 cigs costs either :P |
| 21:26 |
Exio4 |
yep |
| 21:27 |
gitfter |
like? |
| 21:27 |
Peacock |
well kaeza might know actually he smokes and lives in argentina |
| 21:27 |
Exio4 |
and what about the fernet Peacock |
| 21:27 |
Exio4 |
he lives in uruguay |
| 21:27 |
kaeza |
a good brand here is about 90 UY$ |
| 21:27 |
Peacock |
fernet? |
| 21:27 |
Peacock |
uruguay? |
| 21:27 |
kaeza |
Peacock, no |
| 21:27 |
Exio4 |
fernet con coca cola! |
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| 21:28 |
Peacock |
i dont they have that inca cola stuff down there though? |
| 21:28 |
gitfter |
what!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJgR3Wy4BKI |
| 21:28 |
gitfter |
sende me in a pm on youtube... |
| 21:28 |
gitfter |
sended to me |
| 21:29 |
LazyJ |
VanessaE, what part of Splizard's snow mod conflicts with plantlife? The ice generation? |
| 21:29 |
VanessaE |
nothing at all. The engine's map generator just does weird shit, is all. mud reflow and like that. |
| 21:30 |
VanessaE |
in fact, plants_lib uses the same perlin settings for the temperature map as what snow biomes mod uses, for compatibility with it |
| 21:30 |
LazyJ |
Ok, thanks. That shoots my idea of cutting out the conflicting code idea. |
| 21:31 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: that said, |
| 21:31 |
Exio4 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernet |
| 21:31 |
Exio4 |
It is commonly mixed with cola |
| 21:31 |
VanessaE |
I have NOT run snow biomes with plants_lib/moretrees since transitioning moretrees to only spawn saplings at mapgen time, so the "weird shit" may not be nearly as much of an issue now |
| 21:31 |
LazyJ |
I've been trying to get snow to play nice with ferns, dry_plants, and moretrees. |
| 21:31 |
VanessaE |
oh that's easy peasy |
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| 21:32 |
VanessaE |
just use temperature limits that are appropriate to the plants in question. |
| 21:32 |
VanessaE |
plants_lib will do the rest. |
| 21:32 |
VanessaE |
temp_min = num, temp_max = num, |
| 21:33 |
Megaf |
and crashed again |
| 21:33 |
LazyJ |
Where are these temperature limits entered and is there any documentation to study? |
| 21:33 |
VanessaE |
set those in your spawn_on_surfaces()/generate_on_surfaces() calls and plants_lib will handle it |
| 21:33 |
Exio4 |
wait |
| 21:33 |
Megaf |
minetest is the world record leader in crashes |
| 21:33 |
VanessaE |
look at the bottom of the API :)( |
| 21:33 |
VanessaE |
https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/plantlife/master/API.txt |
| 21:33 |
VanessaE |
the temperature map is described there |
| 21:34 |
LazyJ |
Ah, thanks. |
| 21:35 |
Peacock |
temperature map : math.random(-32000,32000) |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
not..quite |
| 21:35 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 21:35 |
LazyJ |
So far whenever I have the snow mod and the ferns, dry_plants, and moretrees installed together the snow mod has prevented the plant mods from producing. |
| 21:35 |
Exio4 |
malboro, 11,50 ARS iirc |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: from producing *at all* or just within a snow biome? |
| 21:35 |
Exio4 |
20 ^ |
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| 21:36 |
LazyJ |
Producing at all. |
| 21:36 |
Peacock |
11.50 pretty close to what we pay here in $CDN |
| 21:36 |
VanessaE |
I think that's the engine doing that, but idk why it happens |
| 21:36 |
Exio4 |
$CDN? |
| 21:36 |
Peacock |
so either youre getting fucked on food or we're getting fucked on tobacco lol |
| 21:36 |
LazyJ |
I've tried test worlds were the only mods were the snow and plant mods. |
| 21:36 |
kaeza |
Content Delivery Network Dollars? |
| 21:36 |
LazyJ |
Even used the same mapseed in the tests. |
| 21:37 |
VanessaE |
because I've run snow biomes + plants_lib + moretrees successfully. the only issue was that trees often got chopped off at mapblock borders (this probably won't happen anymore) |
| 21:37 |
Peacock |
*CAD |
| 21:37 |
Exio4 |
think 1 USD ~= 6.3 (at official rate), =~ 8.5 (credit card dollar), =~ 10 for having it cash |
| 21:37 |
Exio4 |
ah |
| 21:37 |
LazyJ |
Snow only world, plant only world, both world, all the same seed. |
| 21:37 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: weird. |
| 21:37 |
LazyJ |
Weird only because I still don't know what I'm doing. :) |
| 21:37 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: how much is 1l of petrol, 95 octanes |
| 21:38 |
Peacock |
oh god, around 1.30$/l |
| 21:38 |
Exio4 |
~9.7 ARS |
| 21:38 |
Peacock |
i dont bother owning a car either lol license + insurance nearly as much as rent |
| 21:38 |
Exio4 |
license? |
| 21:38 |
Exio4 |
it is like 80 ARS here, iirc |
| 21:38 |
Peacock |
i moved to a small city/town and found a place downtown of that lol |
| 21:38 |
Exio4 |
also, the insurance isn't that expensive here |
| 21:39 |
Exio4 |
200~ ARS / mo iirc |
| 21:39 |
Exio4 |
(20 USD / mo?) |
| 21:39 |
Peacock |
oh no you get insurance here you need lubricant because either way you're getting f*cked |
| 21:39 |
Exio4 |
hm |
| 21:39 |
VanessaE |
gas runs about $3.80 per US gallon here, for 93 octane |
| 21:40 |
Peacock |
they used to charge licenses every two years, now it's every year, same amount |
| 21:40 |
Exio4 |
hm |
| 21:40 |
VanessaE |
so close to $1 USD per L |
| 21:40 |
Exio4 |
[18:40:44] <@Exio4> !convert 1 gallon to litre |
| 21:40 |
Exio4 |
[18:40:45] <nx> Exio4: 3.79 |
| 21:40 |
Exio4 |
fuck logic! |
| 21:40 |
Peacock |
they wanna raise hydro (electricity) rates 6% this year, though with a minority gov't, i wouldn't bank on it going through ;) |
| 21:41 |
Exio4 |
1.001 USD / l |
| 21:41 |
VanessaE |
I'd call that "close" |
| 21:41 |
Peacock |
imagine, we have a socialist/seperatist gov't, and they wanna raise rates, the right wing seperatist gov't is ready to call an election over it |
| 21:41 |
VanessaE |
it varies by region and even by which part of the city you're in |
| 21:42 |
Peacock |
*second gov't = party |
| 21:42 |
Exio4 |
same here VanessaE |
| 21:42 |
VanessaE |
I could drive 1km and find it for 10 cents per gal cheaper for no real reason, or go 30km south and bam, it's 30 cents/gal cheaper down there |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
well speaking as someone who's worked gas stations, you're fucked either way, when the nearest gas station raises prices, that one usually does too |
| 21:43 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: what is your car? |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
an old 1992 cadillac deville |
| 21:43 |
Exio4 |
my father's => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Passat_%28B4%29 |
| 21:43 |
Exio4 |
45 miles per US gallon |
| 21:44 |
VanessaE |
gets about 23mpg on the highway on a good day, (13 in the city, averages about 16 combined) |
| 21:44 |
Exio4 |
my father's car autonomy: 1 ARS = 2km (in city) |
| 21:45 |
VanessaE |
I'd love to own a Leaf or Volt or Prius or Spark or some other nice, green car |
| 21:45 |
VanessaE |
but they aren't cheap. |
| 21:45 |
Exio4 |
diesel ftw :P |
| 21:47 |
Peacock |
my last car: http://www.imperialclub.com/YearByYear/1977/Bob/ATT00969.jpg |
| 21:47 |
Exio4 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharged_Direct_Injection |
| 21:49 |
Exio4 |
i miss our 1998 hyundai elantra |
| 21:49 |
Exio4 |
:( |
| 21:49 |
Peacock |
i had a thing for old land boats back lol |
| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
ours may be a land boat, but we bought it because it was cheap. |
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| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
$500, plus it cost us about $300 in bus tickets and fuel for the trip there and the return trip to take it home (it was two states away) |
| 21:52 |
Peacock |
not that one, this one: http://www.imperialclub.com/YearByYear/1977/Bob/ATT00969.jpg |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
naw, not that old |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
http://www.gmphotostore.com/1992-Cadillac-Sedan-DeVille/productinfo/53218502/#.UqY79kMkVpg |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
excpt ours has the fabric roof top ("faux convertible") and is not nearly as nice looking anymore |
| 21:55 |
Exio4 |
800 USD for a car? |
| 21:55 |
Exio4 |
did you buy an engine with wheels |
| 21:56 |
Exio4 |
or was it a car |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
we had to put a lot of work into it to make it what we consider 'good' enough |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
but we drove it home that day, despite. |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
all told, we've put about $2500 worth of work into it over the years |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
most of that was maintenance and repairs that the original owners just never bothered to do |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
it was indeed a car |
| 21:57 |
Exio4 |
ah |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
lemme see if I can find the old photo album |
| 21:58 |
Exio4 |
my father is a mechanical, he 'repairs' the passat by himself |
| 21:58 |
VanessaE |
(Abe took pics of the car when we bought it) |
| 21:58 |
Exio4 |
and it actually has a lot of shit broken, cuz he doesn't want to spend a lot of money on it |
| 21:58 |
Peacock |
i thought i had more christmas balls then that, hope i didn't lose any in the move :/ |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
https://plus.google.com/photos/115185144897764436393/albums/5489565230629978993?partnerid=gplp0 |
| 22:00 |
Exio4 |
and the passat is actually damn fast and cheap |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
can you see that? |
| 22:00 |
PilzAdam |
google link :-/ |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
so don't follow it, PilzAdam |
| 22:00 |
Peacock |
google, less evil than Dr Oetker |
| 22:00 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 22:02 |
Exio4 |
Missouri? does it say from what state is the patente? |
| 22:02 |
Exio4 |
thought it would say something that is the same around the whole US |
| 22:03 |
VanessaE |
nope, each state has their own rules in that regard |
| 22:03 |
VanessaE |
we live in North Carolina now, so it bears tags from this state now |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
patente? you mean the title? |
| 22:04 |
Exio4 |
yeah, i tend to use the word in spanish cuz they sound cuter than the english counterpart |
| 22:05 |
VanessaE |
same deal |
| 22:06 |
VanessaE |
the title goes with whatever state you're in. If you move your residence to a new state, you must re-title your car there |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
(the process is usually painless and doesn't take too long, and usually isn't expensive, at least on old cars like mine) |
| 22:07 |
Exio4 |
like if you moved to other country |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
similar yeah |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
here, each state likes to act as though they're a separate country...until it comes time for the feds to hand out the budgets, then they're usually all "we're all one big happy country" |
| 22:09 |
Exio4 |
there is some shit that isn't worth to be state-managed |
| 22:10 |
virtualfall |
goodnight |
| 22:10 |
Peacock |
well if america can't innovate it's only because everything is so over-regulated |
| 22:10 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 22:11 |
Exio4 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_time |
| 22:11 |
Exio4 |
The fastest (Race gearbox) manual: 250 ms |
| 22:11 |
Exio4 |
really? i thought i was being faster than 1/4s :( |
| 22:11 |
Peacock |
even starting a business has become a tremendous pain in the ass |
| 22:11 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: there's a lot of shit that isn't regulated enough, too |
| 22:12 |
VanessaE |
250ms? Please, I have faster reaction time than that on the track...with an automatic, yet. |
| 22:12 |
Exio4 |
i've never used an automatic gearbox |
| 22:12 |
Exio4 |
i don't like them that much tho |
| 22:13 |
EvergreenTree |
evergreen.shutown("bye") |
| 22:13 |
Exio4 |
with manual you can choose to be power-efficient but don't have awesome reactions (3rd gear on city), or haz the car at 2.5k+ but nice reactions (2nd) |
| 22:13 |
Exio4 |
can you do that VanessaE? :3 |
| 22:13 |
virtualfall |
virtualfall.shutdown.from.italy |
| 22:13 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 22:14 |
Exio4 |
how? :P |
| 22:14 |
Peacock |
the europeans are going to bed :P |
| 22:14 |
Peacock |
she would tuck them in? |
| 22:14 |
Peacock |
*should |
| 22:14 |
VanessaE |
I've drive a stick plenty of times. I prefer them to automatics, but you can't exactly get automatic + "luxury car" in the same package when all you have to choose from are sub-$1000 used cars |
| 22:14 |
VanessaE |
driven* |
| 22:14 |
VanessaE |
("a stick" is a synonym for "a manual transmission" here) |
| 22:15 |
VanessaE |
aw fuck |
| 22:15 |
VanessaE |
you can't exactly get a stick + luxury, is what I meant |
| 22:15 |
Calinou |
<Exio4> diesel ftw :P |
| 22:15 |
Calinou |
diesel is terrible |
| 22:15 |
Exio4 |
why Calinou? |
| 22:15 |
Calinou |
<VanessaE> I'd love to own a Leaf or Volt or Prius or Spark or some other nice, green car |
| 22:15 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: ah |
| 22:16 |
Calinou |
they are not that green, but at least they are quiet (bad thing too sometimes) |
| 22:16 |
Calinou |
also has battery issues |
| 22:16 |
Exio4 |
your fault for using a car |
| 22:16 |
Calinou |
Exio4, harmful to people's health |
| 22:16 |
Exio4 |
why is it that harmful? |
| 22:16 |
Calinou |
normal gas is harmful too, but not as much as diesel |
| 22:16 |
Calinou |
diesel is the Intel of cars |
| 22:16 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: they're green in the sense that they produce no or less emissions than most other cars, even accounting for burning coal to produce the electricity that the Volt et al. use. |
| 22:16 |
Calinou |
and normal gas is the AMD... *rolls eyes* |
| 22:17 |
Exio4 |
you use way less diesel with proper cars than petrol |
| 22:17 |
VanessaE |
besides, I am more concerned with the impact on my wallet than the environment at this point, considering I already minimize my impact on the environment as it is. |
| 22:18 |
Exio4 |
when you are not rich, that happens too |
| 22:18 |
Exio4 |
you can't say "i want to be green and use something fucking expensive" |
| 22:18 |
VanessaE |
an efficient car like the above is nice and would really save me a ton of money in the long term, if not for the cost of buying the damn car and the cost, as you rightfully point out, of batteries. |
| 22:18 |
Exio4 |
i would like a diesel-only green car |
| 22:19 |
Exio4 |
"green" |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
but batteries are a non-issue environmentally, because they can be 100% recycled. |
| 22:19 |
Exio4 |
like the Volswagen XL1 but diesel-only :P |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
deisel is expensive here |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
round about $3.90/gal |
| 22:19 |
Exio4 |
really? |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 22:19 |
Exio4 |
it is cheaper here... lol.. |
| 22:20 |
VanessaE |
the better economy doesn't make up for the higher price, either |
| 22:20 |
Exio4 |
how much was it in 1995~? |
| 22:20 |
VanessaE |
and diesel-powered passenger cars are somewhat uncommon, too |
| 22:20 |
Exio4 |
yet for you 3.9USD is way less (in percent of a salary) than here |
| 22:20 |
VanessaE |
(they can be found, but they are not actively marketed) |
| 22:20 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: they are 'uncommon' too but not that weird, i guess about 1 of 5 cars are diesel |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
3.90 is less as a percentage of income, but we have to spend more fuel than you, I expect, as we have to drive more to get anything done |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
what's the averate daily home-to-work commute for you? |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
average* |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
my guess is close to zero due to mass trinsit? |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
transit* |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
(busses, trains) |
| 22:22 |
Exio4 |
my father has to drive about 4km i guess, but i live in a small city |
| 22:22 |
Exio4 |
people from bigger cities (Buenos Aires/Parana/Carlos Paz) can tell you they use even more than you |
| 22:22 |
Exio4 |
my english skillz are shit |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
here, the average drive to work is 35 km |
| 22:23 |
VanessaE |
(so 70km daily round trip) |
| 22:24 |
Exio4 |
also, cars from the US are way less efficient than any otherz :P |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
mass transit is all but nonexistent except in larger cities |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
yes, that is true too |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
due to emissions standards here |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
they have to burn cleaner, which has the ironic side effect of making them waste more in other ways |
| 22:25 |
Exio4 |
and we got a lot of diesel cars, in the 1990s, with the neoliberal shit in argentina the diesel price was 0.3cents~ the litre and about 1 ARS the litre of petrol |
| 22:25 |
Exio4 |
(at that time, 1 ARS = 1 USD til the default in 2001) |
| 22:25 |
Exio4 |
that is when diesel got the "boom" here :P |
| 22:25 |
Exio4 |
economics reasons |
| 22:26 |
Exio4 |
Volswagen should make more 'green cars' but for the low-end public or mid-end at least |
| 22:26 |
Exio4 |
i always miss the k |
| 22:27 |
Exio4 |
Volkswagen |
| 22:27 |
Exio4 |
there |
| 22:27 |
Peacock |
really have too many ugly christmas ornaments - you know the kind people give you feel too guilty to throw out lol |
| 22:28 |
Peacock |
though the back of tree is starting to have more stuff than the front lol |
| 22:28 |
Exio4 |
0 to 100km in 14.3s? dat is slow! |
| 22:28 |
Exio4 |
the palio can get to 150 in 15s! |
| 22:29 |
Sokomine |
over here (germany), 1 l of "super" costs 1,60 euro, while disel currently is at 1,50 (roughly) per l |
| 22:29 |
SylvieLorxu |
Sokomine: Still about 20 cents per liter cheaper than the Netherlands |
| 22:29 |
Sokomine |
peacock: already decorating? we usually do on the 24. |
| 22:29 |
Exio4 |
same ratios here Sokomine |
| 22:29 |
Exio4 |
and super = 95octane? |
| 22:30 |
Sokomine |
sylvielorxu: ah. seems you have even more tax on fuel than we do? |
| 22:30 |
Exio4 |
(our "super", in non-YPF fuel is 95octane too) |
| 22:30 |
SylvieLorxu |
We have pretty insane tax on fuel |
| 22:30 |
SylvieLorxu |
And pretty insane taxes in general. 21% for "luxury goods" |
| 22:30 |
Peacock |
24th? wouldn't be worth the elaborateness of what we come up with |
| 22:30 |
Peacock |
i started nearly two days ago |
| 22:31 |
Sokomine |
exio: seems to be more or less that much octane, yes |
| 22:31 |
Sokomine |
normal "benzin" was discontinued. it's now only versions of super plus disel |
| 22:31 |
Sokomine |
peacock: :-) |
| 22:32 |
Exio4 |
we have a normal VAT of 21% |
| 22:32 |
Exio4 |
but year, we have about 50%~ of taxes to fuel |
| 22:32 |
Sokomine |
peacock: last year, we decorated less. that looked even better. over the years, too many stuff as decoration has come up. it wouldn't look good with all that on the tree |
| 22:33 |
Peacock |
well i dont buy a ton of decorations over the years, most of it was inherited |
| 22:33 |
Peacock |
ornaments older than i am, etc.. |
| 22:33 |
Sokomine |
our normal mehrwertsteuer is at 19%. there's a reduced tax for some things (basic food, books, ...) |
| 22:33 |
Sokomine |
peacock: *nod*. still, it sums up |
| 22:34 |
Sokomine |
fuel has lots of extra taxes |
| 22:34 |
Peacock |
though 90% of my decoration goes into the tree, if i can find my webcam ill post a pic of it when its done |
| 22:34 |
Sokomine |
the us gallons are more than a liter. don't know the conversion rate |
| 22:35 |
Sokomine |
that would be fine, peacock |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
1gal = 1.78L I think |
| 22:36 |
Exio4 |
[18:40:44] <@Exio4> !convert 1 gallon to litre |
| 22:36 |
Exio4 |
[18:40:45] <nx> Exio4: 3.79 |
| 22:36 |
Sokomine |
and a gallon is at 3.90 dollar? that would then be almost the same price as here. sounds unlikely |
| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: for diesel, yep. |
| 22:37 |
Sokomine |
so it would be ~8.20$/gallon in germany |
| 22:38 |
Sokomine |
slightly less for disel :-) |
| 22:38 |
Sokomine |
only 7.76 there then |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
oh I wa sway wrong on gal to L. heh |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
anyway |
| 22:38 |
Sokomine |
so only factor 2. thought it was more in the past |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
but yeah, diesel is running $3.90/gal and petrol is $3.20 to $3.80/gal depending on octane and where you buy it |
| 22:44 |
Exio4 |
In line with the European financial crisis, in Italy in 2011 the number of bicycle sales (1.75 million) just passed the number of new car sales. |
| 22:44 |
Exio4 |
haha |
| 22:47 |
Peacock |
if that's italy imagine the greecians |
| 22:49 |
Peacock |
i heard they even kicked berlusconi out of the senate |
| 22:49 |
Exio4 |
berlusconi for president |
| 22:49 |
Peacock |
guy looks like hannibal from the hannibal movies lol |
| 22:51 |
Exio4 |
47% :( |
| 22:51 |
Peacock |
and he seems to be a complete crook to boot lol |
| 22:51 |
Exio4 |
downloading shit is slow but this is at a rate of 1p / 2day |
| 22:51 |
Exio4 |
so i'm k :D |
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Exio4 |
also |
| 22:54 |
Exio4 |
laptops are too expensive :( |
| 22:54 |
Exio4 |
i need one for the uni, but they are, or uber-shitty (old underclocked cpus) for 4500~ ARS |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
get a regular desktop, laptops are obsolete anyway :) |
| 22:54 |
Exio4 |
(old pentiums or semprons) |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
either you need portable (get a tablet) or you don't (get a PC) |
| 22:54 |
Exio4 |
i already have a decent desktop, but i need something to write in-class |
| 22:54 |
Exio4 |
writing with a touchscreen is shit |
| 22:55 |
Exio4 |
and i know, i don't like them that much |
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Exio4 |
heck |
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Exio4 |
i want more "modifiers" keys |
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Pilcrow |
I've got an idea, but don't know if it'll even work. I like the old secret_passages/fakeblocks mods, but have trouble keeping up with all the nodes I'd like to register fakes of. is it possible to register a node that changes its texture on_place, to look the same as pointed_thing? |
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Exio4 |
i don't know :P |
| 23:29 |
Exio4 |
but, my cpu is awesome, everyone was like: "bulldozer's performance is too shitty" |
| 23:30 |
Exio4 |
i can actually have a lot of shits in background (skype, jackd, redshift, clementine, transmission, xclip, networkmanager, chromium with 15~ tabs, firefox with 150~ tabs) and could hande some VMs just fine |
| 23:31 |
Pilcrow |
you've got a bulldozer, eh? I've got a crappy old hp laptop. which is still more than twice as powerful as my desktop in cpu power alone... |
| 23:31 |
Exio4 |
6100 |
| 23:34 |
Pilcrow |
is that one of those that has cpu and gpu built into one chip, or is it just the A-series that does that...? |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
150 tabs in firefox? |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
O_O |
| 23:35 |
VanessaE |
tabs are not bookmarks! |
| 23:36 |
Exio4 |
it is from the FX series |
| 23:37 |
Exio4 |
Pilcrow: i would like an APU with four modules |
| 23:37 |
Pilcrow |
lol, VanessaE. that's why I use opera. you can save sessions as if they were multi-page bookmarks. I've got around 20 saved sessions... :) |
| 23:38 |
Exio4 |
i have a hell lot of bookmarks |
| 23:38 |
Exio4 |
but i end having 150-250 |
| 23:38 |
Exio4 |
tabs anyway |
| 23:38 |
Pilcrow |
lol |
| 23:39 |
VanessaE |
I don't usually have more than 10-15 tabs open on ff, myself |
| 23:39 |
Exio4 |
the resource usage is minimal anyway |
| 23:39 |
VanessaE |
well, tha'll bloat up to 40 or so when I am reading the forums, but only for 20-30 mins tops |
| 23:40 |
Exio4 |
i've never got FFx to use more than 3gb of ram, and that was with ... 700 tabs iirc |
| 23:40 |
Pilcrow |
I try not to get more than about 15 under normal circumstances. then again, since I can save my sessions manually, I have my browser intentionally set up to NOT remember tabs on start-up... :) |
| 23:41 |
Exio4 |
if amd made apus with three- and four- modules (six and eight cores), i would buy them |
| 23:45 |
Pilcrow |
Exio4: I thought they had made a 6-core APU, but I just checked on newegg and it's nowhere to be found... :/ |
| 23:45 |
VanessaE |
seven hundred tabs!? |
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Exio4 |
yeah VanessaE, seven hundred |
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* VanessaE |
pokes jojoa1997 |
| 23:46 |
Exio4 |
Pilcrow: they should make those apus :P |
| 23:46 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: what'd you do, try to open all of Wikipedia? :) |
| 23:46 |
jojoa1997 |
jojoa1997, pokes VanessaE |
| 23:47 |
jojoa1997 |
i am playing hide and seek in minecraft |
| 23:47 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: i normally just open tabs and left them open |
| 23:47 |
Pilcrow |
shows how many new games I play. I've got a 2.3Ghz dual-core, radeon 4250, and 4Gb RAM. and this is the most powerful computer I've ever owned... |
| 23:47 |
Exio4 |
this is my faster computer too |
| 23:47 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE: maybe tvtropes? :P |
| 23:48 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 23:48 |
VanessaE |
I could buy that. |
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