IRC log for #minetest, 2013-11-24

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00:03	Peacock	the bottom plane looks about as big as the dreamliner lol
00:10	PilzAdam	bye
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01:14	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Temporary disable local install button due to irrlicht dialog breaking localization 16bd368374 2013-11-23T17:15:25-08:00 http://git.io/ff39Uw
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01:49	paramat	we certainly need shadow decay http://i.imgur.com/8Bro5oC.png
01:50	paramat	crater example http://i.imgur.com/ULsHYcy.png
01:52	Peacock	jesus christ shadows at that distance shouldn't be possible lol
01:53	paramat	big translucent comet vapour cloud with glitchy lighting http://i.imgur.com/m0yIjf7.png
01:53	Peacock	all hail HW lighting, the saviour of man XD
01:54	paramat	3D noise looks like imperial star destroyers and those platforms where dark lords say "i am your father"
01:55	Peacock	imagine the backlog in child support darth vader owes
01:56	Peacock	they'll probably repo his star destroyer
01:58	paramat	one more screen ... http://i.imgur.com/Zzm9mBf.png cavegen poked holes in the airlike nodes holding back water in a vrealm, uphill flood
01:59	Peacock	like i said, they should just yank the entire mapgen from the engine and let mods take care of it
01:59	Peacock	too many hard coded elements designed for minetest_game
02:04	paramat	hm interesting point ...
02:05	Peacock	well they'll never listen to me but they might listen to you :P it certainly would spur diversity between games and servers
02:10	paramat	well i do intend to get to c++ and github dev standard so i can help out
02:10	Peacock	good luck with that :P judging from the logs you'll spend more time arguing about pulls than writing them
02:10	Peacock	thats why i prefer modding lol
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02:13	paramat	hehe indeed thats what im wary of :)
02:14	Peacock	heck i'd even rather run servers than release any mods so i dont waste more time arguing legalese than coding lol
02:15	paramat	i expect most of my time will still be working alone on mods, for the sake of my sanity
02:15	Peacock	better that way :P alot of the best modders tend to burn out
02:16	Peacock	between the license queens, method maniacs and the ridiculous suggestions one gets, you'd need a tanker of gin lol
02:21	* OldCoder	is still available tonight if people wish to work with new worlds
02:21	* OldCoder	will return later
02:23	iqualfragile	Peacock: are you crazy?
02:23	Peacock	possibly, jury's still out on that one
02:23	iqualfragile	do you know how much time it takes to do even basic landscape generation?
02:23	iqualfragile	you can not just put that into lua
02:23	iqualfragile	it would make the game slow as hell
02:24	Peacock	i actually wasn't the first to advance that idea, i picked it up from the dev logs
02:24	iqualfragile	additionaly v7 allows mods to do a lot of things
02:24	iqualfragile	it even requires mods to do some things
02:25	NekoGloop	minetest always requires mods
02:26	Peacock	mods provide 3/4's of the content (conservative estimate), they might as well provide the terrain too
02:27	Peacock	in any case if i had to debate this, i'd rather do with someone who has the power to either change things, or create the lua mapgen of the default game to prove it's possible
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02:53	paramat	lua mapgen would be slower yes, okay for singleplayer but servers may suffer, and im not sure players would accept a significant slowing of mapgen ...
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02:54	paramat	i can almost recreate v6 in lua now, apart from "flow mud" which i have yet to understand
02:55	paramat	oh hang on, i dont know caves or dungeons either ...
02:56	Peacock	well i think with perlinmaps it could be reasonably fast enough
02:56	Peacock	lvm asteroids without perlinmaps might have been rough in server mode, but now theres no lag
02:58	Peacock	if the engine continued to focus on better and faster noise functions rather than hardcoding mapgen elements it could end up very possible
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03:10	ShadowNinja	Actually fast Lua mapgen is possible now. See nore's mg mod. (Disclaimer: I haven't tested mg)
03:11	Peacock	don't tell me, i already believe it :P tell iqualfrajilee
03:12	ShadowNinja	iqualfragile: ^
03:25	iqualfragile	paramat: servers would not be that much of a problem as they usualy have great hardware
03:25	iqualfragile	i worry about the midle to low end hardware people tend to have at home
03:25	paramat	okay good
03:25	iqualfragile	especialy as even right now with native mapgen its not too fast
03:26	paramat	i plan to visit the mg server soon to see this alternative mapgen
03:26	iqualfragile	one longer term goal of minetest is to make mapgen realy fast so you can afford to just not store the generated blocks
03:27	ShadowNinja	My server isn't all that fast, although the MG server runs on a very good VPS.
03:27	paramat	iqual, intersting idea, regenerate each time ...
03:29	paramat	um ... you'd have to store player creations though
03:29	Peacock	why would you want to constantly regenerate the same blocks? storage is cheap
03:30	iqualfragile	paramat: yes, that is the plan, just save the differences
03:30	paramat	wow crazy
03:30	Peacock	minetest already uses a larger chunk of my CPU than of my hard drive
03:30	iqualfragile	so you can take advantage of new or changed mapgen easily
03:31	ShadowNinja	Mapgen is fast, blocks are cached in memory for a minute, but no need to store unchanged blocks.
03:31	iqualfragile	additionaly it is a lot easier to multithread in the engine
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03:32	Peacock	but then you'll also never have a decent map beyond whats already built...
03:32	iqualfragile	Peacock: in that case you might want to use luajit
03:32	iqualfragile	Peacock: nope, when you add a block via lua or anything that counts as change and would be stored
03:32	Peacock	i am using jit and i dont run a hundred mods
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03:34	Peacock	the cavegen thing already fucks up alot of things, if people preload a map it's to not have that sort of problem, so constantly regenerating the same chunks seems incredibly stupid to me lol
03:34	iqualfragile	additionaly it would be quite possible to have some specialy declared mapgen section for mods which can be called to recreate a block
03:35	iqualfragile	so that should not be a problem
03:35	iqualfragile	good night
03:35	paramat	i added a comment with a matching wieldhand copied from Jordach's SamII skin https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/219#issuecomment-29148057
03:35	Peacock	whatever lol let me know when you guys decide to waste CPU cycles instead of storage so i can know not to update lol
03:36	paramat	... found a way to move it in from the corner of the screen
03:36	Peacock	especially as there's already a delete unused blocks conf
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03:37	paramat	i also have a similar wieldhand matching the SamI texture
03:37	ShadowNinja	Peacock: No there isn't, and without rollback you can't prune the DB later. (And usilg a rollback log will be very slow)
03:37	ShadowNinja	using*
03:38	Peacock	id much rather have a specific delete_block function in the API than have it done for me whether i want to or not
03:38	Peacock	at least the delete_block would work on used and unused blocks alike
03:40	ShadowNinja	DELETE FROM `blocks` WHERE pos=1234567;
03:41	Peacock	well if its that easy why not add it to API rather than impose the function without choice to the user/admin
03:43	ShadowNinja	Peacock: This will only be implemented if the mapgen is fast enough at regenerating blocks, which it is.
03:43	Peacock	yeah but it's also going to be a pain in the ass for those of us who don't use the engine's mapgen, thats what im trying to point out, so if possible, please add a conf option to disable that
03:44	ShadowNinja	Yes, Lua mapgen wouldn't use that.
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03:56	dafull97	hey guys
04:02	* NekoGloop	curls up in ShadowNinja's lap
04:03	Peacock	very gay, tape Miss Brahms!
04:05	NekoGloop	meow
04:05	hmmmm	[10:25 PM] <iqualfragile> especialy as even right now with native mapgen its not too fast
04:05	hmmmm	it's very fast
04:05	NekoGloop	it's fast
04:05	NekoGloop	but lua
04:05	hmmmm	the reason why YOU don't notice everything loading up instantaeously is due to a client-side meshmaking bottleneck
04:05	Peacock	it's so fast, before you know what happened it's giving you money for a cab and telling you to beat it
04:06	paramat	i pushed asteroid LVM/PM stacked realm version to github https://github.com/paramat/asteroid
04:06	NekoGloop	hmmmm, so it's like how everyone thinks their processors are slow when in reality they just need more RAM? :P
04:07	Peacock	well where meshes are concerned, i'd say better gfx cards
04:07	paramat	i included hmmmm's advice to clear lighting with 'set lighting =0,0'
04:07	hmmmm	nope, the problem is mostly the latency of the ram
04:08	hmmmm	if ram access gets faster, computers will start advancing again
04:08	NekoGloop	well
04:08	NekoGloop	i mean like computers with 2GB
04:08	NekoGloop	>.>
04:08	hmmmm	2gb is still a lot
04:08	NekoGloop	not to actually run anything
04:08	hmmmm	it's hilarious how nobody seems to think so
04:09	Peacock	dont need to tell me, as a kid they had e-dong measuring contests about having 32 or 64mb of ram lol
04:09	hmmmm	at work my computer has 2gb and everybody says it's so slow because of that, no, the real reason why is because it's running eclipse with 5 java applications open at all time, along with visual studio, and firefucks taking up 50gb
04:09	Peacock	so when i see people comparing hardware today, i cant help but think back to when i was a kid lol
04:09	NekoGloop	yes
04:09	hmmmm	and it's a laptop too so it has a laptop hard drive
04:10	hmmmm	if the hard drive were swapped out for something nicer then that'd make a real difference
04:10	ShadowNinja	paramat: 1) Give noise values a better name, eg, perl_structures, not perl1. 2) pass the tables directly to get_perlin_map.
04:10	hmmmm	people SUCK at identifying bottlenecks
04:10	Peacock	well i thought that was obvious looking at city traffic patterns XD
04:10	ShadowNinja	paramat: 2 is simpler and faster because the table is only generated once.
04:11	paramat	okay
04:11	NekoGloop	well
04:11	NekoGloop	assuming you don't have an ass hard drive
04:11	NekoGloop	and assuming you're running an operating system and its components along with any given game
04:11	Peacock	i think ass hard is called hemorrhoids
04:12	NekoGloop	Peacock, stfu("now") && gtfo("quickly")
04:12	Peacock	lol
04:13	Peacock	there's a cream for that you know lol
04:14	paramat	local nvals1 = minetest.get_perlin_map({...}):get3dMap_flat({...})? ShadowNinja
04:14	ShadowNinja	paramat: You can also optimize your usage of VoxelArea:index. Just add one to vi in the loop and use index(x0, y, z) before the inner loop.
04:14	NekoGloop	cream.apply(area.burned)
04:14	paramat	ah okay i saw that method elsewhere
04:15	ShadowNinja	paramat: No, local nvals_structures = minetest.get_perlin_map(perl_structures)
04:16	paramat	okay
04:16	ShadowNinja	paramat: Er, +:get3DMap_flat()
04:17	ShadowNinja	paramat: Of course +the second argument to get_perlin_map.
04:17	paramat	yep
04:17	Peacock	i think what he's saying is the more paramters you pass directly to functions instead of as variables means less GC lua has to do, (if i understood)
04:18	ShadowNinja	Calling get_perlin_map would be best outside of on_generate, but I don't know the best way to do that.
04:18	paramat	the content ids are now all separate local variables, folllowing hm-mms advice
04:19	ShadowNinja	Peacock: If you use "{}" Lua generates a new table every time that runs, so "local a = {} for i=0,100 doThing(a) end" is much faster.
04:19	paramat	thanks SN very useful, even more speed
04:20	Peacock	well a table for node content id's might be a pain in the ass, but from what i saw from all other lvm mods, they seem to run get_content_id on every iteration of ongen lol
04:20	Peacock	at least i defined mine from the outside :P
04:20	Peacock	though i know tables is a bigger PITA than plain variables
04:20	ShadowNinja	paramat: And "local size = {x=sidelen, y=side..."
04:21	paramat	okay
04:21	ShadowNinja	Peacock: Tables are a lot slower than local variables.
04:22	Peacock	blame OCD, i need to organize things lol
04:22	ShadowNinja	You can also place the content ids outside the function, but I don't know how much that will help.
04:22	Peacock	every time things are disorganized, my universe makes a little less sense
04:23	Peacock	well it avoids having to call minetest.get_content_id on each chunk
04:23	Peacock	i havent seen what the function does, but i assume its better to call it once than on every chunk
04:23	ShadowNinja	organized.in.tables -> organized_with_underscores. :-)
04:24	hmmmm	content IDs should be local variables in the on_generate function
04:24	hmmmm	not organized in tables
04:25	hmmmm	putting them in a table which seems to be so very popular slows down accesses by as much as 50%
04:25	Peacock	so running mt.get-cont-id on every chunk is faster than calling it outside, even with locals?
04:25	hmmmm	that's correct
04:26	Peacock	seems kinda repetitive but if you say so
04:26	hmmmm	you probably don't realize it but get_content_id() is a very quick function, all it does is do a O(log(n)) lookup on a std::map
04:27	hmmmm	if I say so? who cares about what I say, why don't you go check it for yourself
04:27	Peacock	well no like i said i dont know what the function does, not all functions in the api are that simple :P
04:27	hmmmm	you should be profiling your speed-critical lua code right along anyway
04:27	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: "on_generate() local id = mt.get_c_id("name") end" is faster than "local id = mt.get_c_id("name") on_generate() end"?
04:27	Peacock	why would i check it myself? i dont have enough bread to leave a trail a breadcrumbs to find my way back from the MT source XD
04:28	Peacock	i might be a fan of spaghetti dinners, that doesn't mean i wanna tackle the engine source lol
04:28	hmmmm	ShadowNinja, try it on your own.
04:29	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: Meaning yes, or IDK?
04:29	hmmmm	globals in Lua are pretty dang slow
04:30	hmmmm	I only tested local table vs. local
04:31	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: Well that's a local outside the function, not actually a global.
04:31	hmmmm	try it instead of guessing!
04:32	hmmmm	local t1 = os.clock()
04:32	hmmmm	stuff here
04:32	hmmmm	print(string.format("elapsed time: %.2fms", (os.clock() - t1) * 1000))
04:32	Peacock	tried enough shit just trying to get shadows to go away, speed was never a problem
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04:39	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: I tested with math.random. "localer" variables were 150% as fast, but calling math.random() bumped it up 800%.
04:39	ShadowNinja	800% as long that is.
04:40	ShadowNinja	0.15 -> 0.10 -> 0.86
04:40	hmmmm	why would you call math.random()?
04:41	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: Because it's a Lua->C call(I think) and it should be fairly fast.
04:42	hmmmm	math.random() is Lua, you must be thinking of PseudoRandom
04:42	ShadowNinja	Of course this doesn't really matter because I'm using a loop that repeats a million times...
04:42	Peacock	ideally you need 3-4 tests: external array, external local vars, internal array, and internal local vars (int/external = to the ongen function)
04:43	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: And Lua->C calls in basic Lua? I'd like to avoid firing up a server.
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04:43	ShadowNinja	Any*
04:43	stormchaser3000	is vanessaE on this chanel
04:43	Peacock	she's gone to London to see the Queen
04:43	hmmmm	ShadowNinja, not that I'm aware of
04:44	stormchaser3000	or shadow what is the chanel that the irc mod uses
04:44	NekoGloop	no
04:45	stormchaser3000	ok ShadowNinja what is the irc server that the irc mod runs on
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04:48	ShadowNinja	stormchaser3000: Vanessa's servers, mine, and kaeza's are connected to irc.inchra.net
04:49	stormchaser3000	thanks
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04:51	ShadowNinja	So, aparently basic table access if faster in LuaJIT than local variable access: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6467128/
04:52	hmmmm	weird, and definitely not the result that pilz got when he tried the same
04:52	hmmmm	you should run that test a couple of times within the same process and take the average and show the variance as well
04:54	Peacock	so question is, outside table, or table inside ongen?
04:56	Peacock	and.. what kind of differences are we talking about, ms or seconds lol
05:05	Peacock	ideally if jit were default instead of plain lua we'd have a fewer set of test results to try lol
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05:08	* Peacock	offers beer to the channel
05:15	* NekoGloop	splashes it on Peacock's face
05:15	Peacock	how rude
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05:15	NekoGloop	meow
05:15	reactor	Morning.
05:15	Peacock	morning?
05:16	reactor	No, mowing.
05:16	Peacock	i woke up at 6PM EST :P
05:17	reactor	Woah man.
05:17	reactor	I'm amazed to discover someone's sleep cycle is more fucked than mine.
05:18	Peacock	that's only half of it, last week i had to wait for a plumber during daytime, so i practically got no sleep until yesterday lol
05:19	Peacock	now i got the lovely beginnings of a skylight in my bathroom and barely any pressure in the shower XD
05:20	reactor	Peacock: plumbers work at night?!
05:21	Peacock	no they come during the day, im at night lol
05:21	reactor	Oh.
05:21	Peacock	so try getting any sleep between 7pm and midnight lol
05:21	reactor	Heh.
05:21	reactor	Why go to bed at 7?
05:21	Peacock	yesterday i hit the sack at 7am and awoke at 6pm today lol
05:21	Peacock	erm, not yesterday, this morning lol
05:21	reactor	o_0
05:22	reactor	I've once done that.
05:22	Peacock	yeah, im out of whack lol
05:22	reactor	That is terrible.
05:22	Peacock	that's nothing, next week (monday) i have to wait for the ceiling people
05:22	Peacock	they could come any day, so i can't sleep any of them until they come lol
05:22	reactor	If I happen to stay up later than 4 o'clock, I prefer not going to bed at all, because I would wake up with head full of jell-o.
05:23	Peacock	i used to be able to stay up 24 hours, but im pushing 30 now
05:24	reactor	It's interesting how the mind starts detaching itself from the body when you stay up for long.
05:24	reactor	And making up strange thoughts.
05:25	Peacock	true with sleep deprivation you start hearing the cellphone ring or the front door knock even though its not true lol
05:25	reactor	Oh yeah yeah, compulsive tendencies.
05:25	reactor	"Have I checked that tap?"
05:26	reactor	"Check the door, god damn it!"
05:26	Peacock	heck i changed the ringtone on my phone and i still hear the old one lol
05:28	Peacock	fall and winter are like that lol lack of vitamin = lack of sleep and appetite
05:28	Peacock	*vitamin D
05:32	reactor	Winter sucks ass.
05:33	reactor	You go to work at night, and you go home at night. No sun until Sunday.
05:33	reactor	And on Sunday, no time to get out.
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05:34	Miner_48er	will the instructions for compiling MT work on cent os?
05:40	Peacock	im not a huge fan of winter either, god must have one hell of a sense of humour :P
05:40	Peacock	someone like me should have been born on the west coast or somewhere like florida lol
05:42	reactor	Miner_48er: it's probably the same as other OS.
05:42	reactor	Miner_48er: why don't you move your servers to a BSD variant?
05:43	Miner_48er	not my servers
05:43	reactor	Oh.
05:43	reactor	Talk to the owner about the benefits of switching?
05:43	Miner_48er	what benifit?
05:44	reactor	A second.
05:44	reactor	For example these: http://www.luke.maurits.id.au/writing/why-i-use-netbsd.html
05:45	reactor	That apples to other BSD, too.
05:45	reactor	title
05:45	reactor	!title
05:45	MinetestBot	reactor: Why I use NetBSD
05:46	paramat	okay so local content ids within ongen function ... im learning a lot tonight
05:50	Peacock	p, shadowninja said earlier that tables were faster with jit
05:57	paramat	okay i use normal lua
06:00	Peacock	portals http://s18.postimg.org/smxql3w7d/screenshot_2293341731.png
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06:01	reactor	Pwned.
06:01	reactor	Peacock: woah.
06:01	reactor	You're working on a portal gun?
06:02	paramat	a dyson cube is a good idea actually ... stuck on the inside of the world boundary with a big sun in the centre, lots of space inbetween
06:04	Peacock	not a portal gun my computer (with the mapp mod builtin) will be able to create portals :-)
06:04	Peacock	and yeah, dyson sphere/cube would be cool, actually i thought of a cube first
06:04	Peacock	because a sphere in MT would be painful to do lol
06:04	paramat	its a cubic cosmology
06:04	Peacock	but a cube with each inside face being a terrain would be awesome :-)
06:05	paramat	i find vrealm possibly more interesting when gravity cant be changed, if it could it would just be another landscape
06:06	Peacock	what i worry about with vrealm is liquids
06:06	Peacock	the slightest obstruction would cause a waterfall of epic proportions
06:06	paramat	yeah cavegen has to be disabled
06:06	Peacock	but the vrealm made me think of a cube where each inside face is a terrain
06:08	paramat	the hard and challenging bit is making them meet or perhaps blend at the edges and corners
06:08	Peacock	a dyson cube if you will lol
06:08	Peacock	i wouldn't know about that, im only starting to get a handle on noise playing with your asteroid mod lol
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06:28	nore	paramat, an advice for the content ids in ongen function
06:28	nore	better make them global to the whole mod
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06:33	VanessaE	hi
06:34	reactor	o/
06:36	paramat	nore, okay thanks
06:39	paramat	... but hmm-mm recommends them to be locals ... :)
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06:43	hoodedice	Yo
06:48	nore	paramat, locals to the mod
06:49	paramat	okay :)
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07:11	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Don't continue trying to deserialize blank block data 068dd796f5 2013-11-23T23:10:15-08:00 http://git.io/ZvIscA
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07:15	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.8 a2608217d3 2013-11-23T23:12:20-08:00 http://git.io/zYU0rA
07:20	VanessaE	oh, so it's official? guess I better update a few mods.
07:24	hmmmm	erm hold on guys
07:24	hmmmm	don't fetch from master yet
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07:34	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Bump version to 0.4.8 122875c30c 2013-11-23T23:23:49-08:00 http://git.io/ydUD6A
07:45	pitriss	Hi, I want to ask, is there way how to modify join/leave messages from mod?
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07:53	sfan5	pitriss: no
07:54	pitriss	sfan5: ok.. I just wanted to add timestamps to them..
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08:10	arsdragonfly_	0.4.8 is out?!
08:11	VanessaE	apparently so
08:11	nore	it is getting out
08:11	nore	they are making the builds, etc.
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08:19	hmmmm	paramat, http://dev.minetest.net/Lua_Optimization_Tips
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08:20	paramat	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=119396#p119396
08:20	paramat	thanks
08:20	nore	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7819
08:20	hmmmm	I just finished writing that up, it'd be good if somebody could go through each point and benchmark what the typical improvement is
08:21	nore	hmmmm, about that: should we include bit32 in Lua too? (it is in LuaJIT and Lua 5.2, but not 5.1)
08:21	nore	bitwise operators are useful to optimize things...
08:22	hmmmm	erm, no thanks
08:29	paramat	=) !
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09:22	MinetestBot	markveidemanis: <john_minetest> No, I won't help you with your homepage/project/anything.
09:23	markveidemanis	!up mt.marktest.co.uk
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09:42	nore	How do I profile a lua thing? os.clock is not precise enough
09:42	VanessaE	run a loop of whatever say 1000 times
09:42	VanessaE	time that, divide by 1000.
09:53	smoke_fumus	does anyone have experience with Cg syntax?
09:55	VanessaE	nope, no one would ever study that :{
09:55	VanessaE	:P
09:55	VanessaE	ok, enough sarcasm, I'm off to bed. night all.
09:58	nore	is there a way a mod can detect if using LuaJIT or not?
10:01	nore	cause I have a mod that should do something if LuaJIT is there and something else if it isn't
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10:07	arsdragonfly_	nore : simply if jit then blah blah blah end
10:07	arsdragonfly_	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19056429/how-to-check-if-nginx-uses-luajit-and-not-lua
10:08	nore	yes, I saw that...
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10:27	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
10:28	reactor	Ehlo.
10:29	nore	PilzAdam, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7819 <-- yay!
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10:48	hoodedice	RealBadAngel: Why wasn't shaders implemented in 0.4.8?
10:48	PilzAdam	hoodedice, because they are not finished yet
10:48	hoodedice	hrm.
10:48	RealBadAngel	this is not ready feature, it will be released propably with 0.4.9
10:49	hoodedice	What is yet to do?
10:49	RealBadAngel	lotsa stuff
10:49	hoodedice	=)
10:49		Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is released! \| Website: http://minetest.net \| Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels \| Core Devs: #minetest-dev \| Servers: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
10:49	hoodedice	PS: I've noticed that bumps occur towards the corner of the screen
10:50	hoodedice	Area under the pointer is flat
10:50	hoodedice	Is that on purpose?
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10:53	RealBadAngel	if you look straigth at texture you see it not deformed
10:53	RealBadAngel	deformation (oclussion) takes place when view vector changes
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10:54	hoodedice	hmm
10:54	RealBadAngel	take a closer looks at bricks texture
10:54	RealBadAngel	*look
10:56	hoodedice	bumped?
10:57	RealBadAngel	HavenNG
10:57	hoodedice	hrm, yes, bricks do retain the bumpness even on direct view
10:57	hoodedice	brb ;ater
10:57	hoodedice	*later
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11:32	whiskers75	hai
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12:45	hoodedice	Has MGv7 been done with?
12:50	hoodedice	MGv7 wasn't finished?!
12:50	hoodedice	S.A.D.
12:52	reactor	MG-42 was!
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13:18	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Revert "Change compatibility notices." because we have 0.4.8 now b3ba6f2433 2013-11-24T05:18:04-08:00 http://git.io/CwQPjQ
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13:59	iqualfragile	yay minetest 0.4.8
14:00	reactor	Already?
14:00	reactor	Woohoo!
14:04	Jordach	naw shit
14:05	iqualfragile	well maybee minetest 0.4.9 wont take that long
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14:30	iqualfragile	what is the id for air?
14:30	PilzAdam	iqualfragile, 126 or 127 IIRC
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14:31	iqualfragile	and in foo:bar notation?
14:31	iqualfragile	empty string?
14:31	PilzAdam	"air"
14:31	iqualfragile	ohâ€¦ ok
14:32	PilzAdam	"" is the hand, or empty item
14:34	iqualfragile	ok
14:35	iqualfragile	feature request: allow mods to have an disabled.lua and an delete.lua
14:35	PilzAdam	hm?
14:35	iqualfragile	disabled.lua is called if (and only if) the mod is set to off in world.mt
14:36	PilzAdam	how would that be used?
14:36	iqualfragile	delete.lua is called when â€¦ hmmâ€¦ maybee when the world was started with a special parameter or when its contained in some setting
14:36	iqualfragile	PilzAdam: right now when you disable mods you have shitloads of undefined nodes
14:37	iqualfragile	disable.lua could just contain the node definitons without any kind of abms or game logic, just the graphics more or less
14:37	iqualfragile	and delete should alias them tho some default node
14:37	PilzAdam	eh, that means you cant disable mods anymore?
14:39	markveidemanis	Bad idea, it takes away control
14:39	markveidemanis	Like the current mod system
14:39	markveidemanis	I liked when ALL the mods were enabled by default
14:39	iqualfragile	PilzAdam: yes you can, but without the ugly undefined nodes
14:40	* sfan5	wishes he did more bitcoin mining back then when the price was low
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14:40	iqualfragile	sfan5: everybody does
14:41	sfan5	I currently have 1.68â‚¬ worth of bitcoins, mining gives me 10x less now...
14:41	sfan5	you can't do much with 1.68â‚¬
14:42	reactor	Bitcoins are waste of electricity.
14:42	reactor	Mining them is not based on producing product, as it's the case with gold and real money.
14:42	reactor	When you mine gold, you mine valuable material.
14:43	reactor	When you mine bitcoins you calculate complicated functions that don't describe anything.
14:45	thexyz	sfan5: I have 86$ it seems
14:45	thexyz	according to blockchain.info rates
14:46	sfan5	I recalculated and
14:46	thexyz	reactor: calculating that hash helps the network function
14:46	sfan5	I have 2.55â‚¬ now
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14:51	thexyz	cool
14:52	thexyz	and I keep reading about all those pizzas for $2 million
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14:57	iqualfragile	reactor: no
14:57	iqualfragile	gold is not valuable
14:57	iqualfragile	gold is borderline-useless
14:57	reactor	It is.
14:57	reactor	It's a good conductor.
14:57	iqualfragile	and thats it
14:57	reactor	It's a good non-reactive metal.
14:57	reactor	s/metal/material/
14:57	iqualfragile	it allso does not react with (we call it kÃ¶nigswasser)
14:57	iqualfragile	no, sorry
14:57	reactor	It dissolves in it, no?
14:58	iqualfragile	kÃ¶nigswasser was one of the accids taht can dissolve gold
14:58	reactor	King Vodka, we call it here.
14:58	iqualfragile	but you can use plastic
14:58	reactor	You can't use plastic for some substances.
14:58	reactor	You can't use plastic for conductive pads.
14:59	reactor	Gold is soft and has high conductivity, hence it's good for electrical connectors.
14:59	reactor	Jewelry is a brutal waste of this precious material.
14:59	iqualfragile	but it is too rare to actually be used for connectors
14:59	reactor	It is.
15:00	iqualfragile	so there is allmost no real use for gold
15:00	reactor	There is.
15:00	reactor	Connectors.
15:00	reactor	Alright?
15:00	reactor	You could even make wires of it, if you could afford.
15:00	reactor	I suppose there are applications where they use gold wires.
15:00	reactor	Heh.
15:00	iqualfragile	and there is a real use for bitcoins:
15:00	iqualfragile	trusted transactions
15:00	reactor	It also is good for medical implant coating.
15:01	reactor	Because it should not react with the body.
15:01	markveidemanis	Why does worldedit leave FUCKING SHADOWS?
15:01	reactor	markveidemanis: //fixlight
15:09	markveidemanis	Nope
15:09	markveidemanis	Wont work
15:10	markveidemanis	I am having to dig everyhing up
15:11	Exio4	i now have two windows VMs
15:11	Exio4	er, three
15:11	Exio4	windows 98, windows xp, and windows seven (ultimate)
15:11	Exio4	the last, 64bit, the xp, 32b and the w98, well, 64bit x86 cpus didn't exist back there
15:12	nore	reactor, there are some materials even more conductive than gold...
15:12	reactor	Provide examples, will you?
15:13	Exio4	i wonder what to do with them
15:14	nore	reactor, sodium for instance
15:14	reactor	It's reactive as hell.
15:14	reactor	Good luck making connectors of it.
15:14	nore	I know...
15:14	reactor	Then why did you even start this?
15:14	nore	but I also know that researchers were able to make even more conductive materails
15:15	nore	out of carbon nanotubes
15:15	reactor	Impractical
15:15	Exio4	gold is useless because it os too expensive to be useful in shit
15:15	reactor	Gold is easier so far.
15:15	Exio4	it is *
15:15	nore	which can be used for wires (they made several centimeters of it...)
15:16	nore	gold is to rare to be used everywhere... that's why copper is used instead
15:16	reactor	Copper is reactive.
15:17	Exio4	yes, gold is awesome
15:17	reactor	Gold is the best for connectors, so far.
15:17	Exio4	get 1kg of gold and 1kg of copper or any other material
15:17	reactor	You don't have to make them entirely gold.
15:17	reactor	You only have to coat the conductors.
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15:40	jojoa1997	did anyone install proprietary drivers on ubuntu before?
15:41	PilzAdam	yes
15:41	jojoa1997	do you have a readon graphics card?
15:41	PilzAdam	no
15:42	jojoa1997	poo
15:42	jojoa1997	oh wait i can go on #ubuntu nvm
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16:00	harrison	sauce4thehoss, gruel4themule
16:01	iqualfragile	harrison: wut?
16:01	harrison	oh, just a slogan
16:01	harrison	or "meme" if you will
16:02	iqualfragile	3edgy5me
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16:03	harrison	perfect! i didn't understand that at all!
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16:03	harrison	OldCoder, perhaps you can help us
16:04	OldCoder	Good morning. How?
16:04	harrison	iqualfragile and i have offered competing memes
16:04	* OldCoder	listens
16:04	harrison	can you pick the winner?
16:04	harrison	mine is:
16:04	OldCoder	I can try
16:04	harrison	sauce4thehoss, gruel4themule
16:04	OldCoder	Go on
16:04	harrison	iqualfragile's meme is:
16:05	harrison	3edgy5me
16:05	reactor	2edgy4me
16:05	OldCoder	harrison, what are the criteria? All are euphonius (sp?)
16:05	harrison	o now i understand. that is rilly clever
16:06	harrison	euphonious
16:06	OldCoder	T Y
16:06	harrison	his is more clever and mine includes a mule
16:06	harrison	hard to judge a winner
16:06	OldCoder	I do not see how they are qualified to be "memes". They are all amusing catchphrases.
16:07	OldCoder	I will use gruel4themule and 2edgy4me myself
16:07	harrison	ok i have a g'teed meme then
16:07	OldCoder	Pass on selecting a "meme"
16:08	harrison	,09mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe
16:08	harrison	,09 _ internet insect .
16:08	harrison	,09 _ __ ___ ___ _ __ ___ ___ \| \|__ ___ _ __ _ __ ___ _ __ .
16:08	harrison	,09 \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \\| '_ ` _ \ / _ \\| '_ \ / _ \\| '_ \\| '_ \ / _ \\| '__\|.
16:08	harrison	,09 \| \| \| \| \| \| __/\| \| \| \| \| \| __/\| \| \| \| (_) \| \|_) \| \|_) \| __/\| \| .
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16:08	OldCoder	Hi
16:08	OldCoder	harrison, bot does not like that
16:08	reactor	Pwned.
16:08	OldCoder	harrison, others; I wish to build 0.8.4 server and clients for MT
16:08	harrison	but do YOU like it?
16:08	OldCoder	harrison, I cannot read it here but it looks interesting
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16:08	OldCoder	Paste to a paste site?
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16:09	OldCoder	harrison, reactor, others; is there a git clone command to pull 0.8.4 plus fixes as opposed to new experimental branches?
16:10	reactor	0.4.8
16:10	reactor	mk
16:10	reactor	hmm
16:10	reactor	idk
16:10	PilzAdam	OldCoder, no
16:10	Calinou	too many memes
16:11	PilzAdam	we only have a stable branch, but we dont push fixes to it
16:11	harrison	that is what makes it so stable
16:12	Peacock	what, no stable twig or stable roots?
16:12	Peacock	and will the stables have ponies?
16:12	harrison	sauce4thehoss, gruel4themule
16:12	harrison	see what i did there?
16:13	Peacock	drugs are bad, mkay?
16:13	harrison	You don't actually believe that.
16:14	Peacock	drugs have been uncool since rob ford
16:14	harrison	In any case. one man's mede is another man's persian.
16:15	Peacock	speaking of persians, the iranians cut a deal with the yanks
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16:15	harrison	Jew don't say!
16:16	OldCoder	PilzAdam, thanks. What is the git clone for the stable branch?
16:16	Peacock	bibi don't seem happy
16:16	jojoa1997	lol i just found this in the minecraft forums http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/2055138-what-is-the-one-thing-you-dislike-the-most-in-17/#entry25266339
16:16	OldCoder	PilzAdam, or should I continue to clone upstream bleeding egde?
16:16	OldCoder	* edge
16:16	harrison	that was my impish implication
16:16	PilzAdam	OldCoder, git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git whatever && cd whatever && git checkout stable-0.4
16:16	PilzAdam	same for minetest_game
16:17	jojoa1997	i thought the big ugly black border was minetest's thing. This makes me wonder if Mojang is ccoping some of Minetest's things?
16:17	jojoa1997	Hi OldCoder
16:17	Peacock	who the fuck cares if he is lol
16:17	PilzAdam	OldCoder, I recommend to use stable, as you have less risk to break stuff with it
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16:17	Peacock	as in, pot meet kettle lol
16:17	sapier	Mobf prerelease 2.2.90 is ready plz test
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16:20	OldCoder	PilzAdam, thank you
16:20	OldCoder	jojoa1997, Hey
16:21	jojoa1997	gtg gonna try the new grapfics driver the internet told me
16:21	Peacock	the internet says alot of things,
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16:25	Peacock	i hadn't realized how tacky Sliders was until i started watching it again lol
16:26	rubenwardy	Hi all
16:28	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: My local variables vs tables test only did "ids[1] = ids[1] + 1", more complex table access should take longer. And I found that if I raised the number of iterations local variables got the edge at about the ten-second mark.
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16:31	Peacock	so the jury's still out on table vs local vars
16:33	ShadowNinja	Peacock: Local variables are almost always faster, and tables only win by a slight margin in LuaJIT with very simple access.
16:34	Jordach	> simple access
16:34	Jordach	> luaJIT
16:34	Jordach	hell nope.
16:34	Peacock	well in the overall scheme of things, the switch to perlinmaps did alot more to boost ongen speed than where and how i store my content id's
16:35	Peacock	though since i use jit i reckon the where and how of content id's dont affect much
16:35	ShadowNinja	Yes, most of this only matters if your codecrepeats a few billion times.
16:35	ShadowNinja	+' '
16:36	ShadowNinja	Peacock: LuaJIT is very good at optimizing tables, but Lua is a lot slower.
16:36	Peacock	as in generating billions of chunks?
16:37	Peacock	well the fact we still have two-speed lua doesn't help for comparing results lol
16:37	ShadowNinja	Peacock: As in generating about a million chunks at a time.
16:37	Peacock	yeah that'll never happen lol
16:38	Peacock	ianno how i mentioned a delete chunk functions yesterday, is it possible to check if a chunk has been generated and to call ongen without having a player physically there?
16:39	sapier	not from within lua
16:39	sapier	at least by now
16:39	Peacock	poop, my computer node map thingy is pretty good at scanning asteroids, but only for loaded areas
16:39	sapier	maybe the forced block loading api could be used to mage a block generate but it's early discussion state
16:40	Jordach	sapier, i'd make one that allows entities to use a farmesh like thing, they can work as normal (cannot be seen, but do move and react)
16:40	Jordach	same for abms
16:41	ShadowNinja	Local variables: 9.926781 Tables: 36.931419 -- Lua with 1,000,000,000 iterations.
16:41	sapier	sorry don't understand what you try to tell ?
16:41	Peacock	another idea, an on_walk function for nodes, for things like traps and portals
16:41	Jordach	sapier, allow entities to roam and attack other entities, but do not render them if they are in unloaded chunks
16:41	sapier	peacock I have a feeling of very very bad performance with such a callback ;-)
16:42	Jordach	eg, mobs
16:42	nore	sapier, force_loading is coming soon...
16:42	Peacock	sapier compare and contrast with running an abm on the node every second :P
16:42	nore	(as soon as I am motivated enough for it)
16:42	ShadowNinja	Peacock: After client-side Lua in implemented that will work.
16:42	ShadowNinja	is*
16:43	sapier	peacock just because you can find even worse ways to do it the bad thing doesn't get better
16:43	ShadowNinja	Peacock: For now iterate through all players in on_globalstep.
16:43	sapier	jordach unloaded chunks meaning areas where node data isn't available?
16:43	Jordach	sapier, correct
16:43	Peacock	that was my first thought, and i wouldn't be surprised if on_walk worked much the same way
16:44	sapier	how should a entity do anything sane without knowing it's environment?
16:44	Jordach	basically let the engine create a fake solid area (just like farmesh, the engine should just estimate the solid areas, nodeboxes become boxes)
16:44	sapier	I don't see the benefit right now maybe I miss somethingÃŸ
16:45	* Jordach	doesn't wanna update minetest versions (the problems of being stable)
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16:46	sapier	in general loading things is while no player is there is a bad idea ... in most situations finding a way to NOT load things and do same is way better
16:46	rubenwardy	What are farmeshes?
16:47	Peacock	gone, judging from changelog
16:47	Megaf	I hate this rollback now a days
16:47	Megaf	it just make the OS to kill the minetest server
16:47	sapier	reduced detail meshes ... at least I think so
16:47	rubenwardy	Like player meshes in the distance?
16:48	ShadowNinja	Megaf: Use SQLite rollback. (See the pull request)
16:48	rubenwardy	Or the map mesh
16:48	rubenwardy	(like terrains when they lose detail)?
16:49	Megaf	developers... They neve see things with a user point of view
16:49	Megaf	why dont you make the thing actually usable?
16:50	rubenwardy	or user friendly
16:50	sapier	because users tend to NOT report issues
16:50	rubenwardy	It is because developers are like robots
16:50	Jordach	...you can talk rubenwardy
16:50	rubenwardy	s/like/
16:50	Megaf	There are several unhappy players on my server, All I can say is, sorry, it's a minetest bug or fault
16:50	Jordach	you develop your nodebox editor with the MOST WANTED features
16:50	Jordach	s/with/without
16:50	sapier	megaf if you have issues WRITE A issue on github
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16:50	Jordach	AN*
16:51	rubenwardy	Is that a statement, or a suggestion?
16:51	Megaf	sapier, my issue it's a know bug
16:51	sapier	which one
16:51	sapier	?
16:51	rubenwardy	or a you try
16:51	Jordach	rubenwardy, people want the save and other shit working first
16:51	Megaf	sapier, rollback
16:51	sapier	can't rollback be disabled?
16:51	rubenwardy	Export works!
16:51	Megaf	rollback, in the master branch, make the server to be killed
16:52	Megaf	I need rollback to help fix grefing
16:52	Peacock	if you dont like rollback, learn to make regular backups and moderate your servers properly
16:52	Peacock	that means not granting interact to complete noobs lol
16:52	Megaf	shut up
16:52	Peacock	blow me
16:52	rubenwardy	I suppose you have a point
16:52	Megaf	Peacock!@ added to ignore list.
16:52	Megaf	done
16:53	Megaf	you are blown up
16:53	Megaf	happy?
16:53	sapier	rollback isn't something you will get without performance impact if you NEED to use it you have to accept it (that doesn't necessarly mean it can't be done better)
16:53	Peacock	http://youtu.be/bqlplW3iYB0
16:53	Megaf	sapier, rollback is a fantastic tool and it used to work grate
16:53	Megaf	great
16:53	rubenwardy	I am currently preparing for save/load
16:53	sapier	obviously it didn't noone breaks things by purpose
16:53	Megaf	I used to use rollback with no big issues at all, never had a crash with it
16:54	Megaf	even with a rollback like /rollback nick 999999999999999999999999999999999999999
16:54	sapier	and what happens now?
16:54	Megaf	I just had to wait a couple of seconds and everything back to normal
16:54	Megaf	thats with the 0.4 branch
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16:54	Megaf	now, with the master branch, it makes the server to use so much memory that it makes the OS kill it
16:55	Peacock	an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure XD
16:55	Megaf	And it doesn't actually rollbacks anything at all
16:55	Jordach	Peacock, tell me about it, same for HIV fighting drugs
16:55	sapier	I'll see what I can do megaf give me some time
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16:56	Megaf	sapier, and now, that's actually the only issue I have
16:56	Peacock	from griefing to HIV lol that escalated quickly
16:56	Megaf	everything else seems to be fixed
16:56	Jordach	Peacock, prevention is far better than the cure
16:57	Jordach	the cures suck and make it worse usually
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16:57	Jordach	ello
16:57	Calinou	hi
16:57	rubenwardy	Who here watched Doctor Who / the day of the Doctor?
16:57	Megaf	I don't use stuff to protect land because I believe that takes freedom away
16:58	Jordach	btw, if i get around to actually planning a second short, i want community input
16:58	Megaf	I will myself protect small parts of land for some users
16:58	Peacock	ugh, doctor who... fantasy show for women lol i can't stand DoG's biased reporting on it (sponsor)
16:58	rubenwardy	DoG?
16:58	Peacock	denofgeek
16:59	Peacock	they bitch about half a dozen decent american scifi, but act like doctor who is original with bi-monthly dalek invasions lol
16:59	rubenwardy	Where are you from?
16:59	Jordach	john_minetest, the pirate shore awaits ;)
17:00	rubenwardy	Excluding the day of the doctor, there has not been a dalek invation since the ww2 / new dalek things
17:00	rubenwardy	However, they were in Clara's first apprense, but not as an invasion
17:00	rubenwardy	The Daleks are the Doctor's nemisis
17:01	sfan5	nice, bitcoin-qt uses all memory
17:01	rubenwardy	watchseries.* is good
17:01	OldCoder	Exterminate!
17:01	OldCoder	^ Daleks
17:01	sapier	megaf maybe a quick solution for your probmem might be removing/backuping rollback logs on regular base?
17:01	* OldCoder	remembers when the Daleks finally showed how they could get up stairs :P
17:01	rubenwardy	Not having the daleks every so often would be like not having the joker in spider man
17:02	rubenwardy	meh
17:02	OldCoder	rubenwardy, Joker in SpiderMan? Ah. But actually I think they met once.
17:02	Jordach	OldCoder, oh god that was the most fearful thing ever: "ELEVATE!"
17:02	rubenwardy	The joker is spider mans nemisis?
17:02	Megaf	sapier, tried that already
17:02	OldCoder	rubenwardy, Nope
17:02	rubenwardy	oh
17:02	OldCoder	Different universes
17:02	rubenwardy	ok
17:02	rubenwardy	Not having the daleks every so often would be like not having the joker in batman
17:02	OldCoder	See "The Killing Joke"
17:03	OldCoder	Named after the story probably
17:03	OldCoder	Hold on briefly
17:03	sapier	megaf there's a solution worked on atm but it's not ready for release
17:03	OldCoder	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke
17:03	OldCoder	john_minetest and others ^
17:03	OldCoder	Landmark comic ^
17:04	Megaf	ok, if its not ready, dont release it, thats the right decision
17:04	OldCoder	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/95/Jokerorig.png
17:04	OldCoder	Joker's original identity ^
17:04	OldCoder	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jokerkillingjoke.png
17:04	OldCoder	Joker after one bad day ^
17:04	OldCoder	john_minetest, reviewing further
17:05	OldCoder	Yes
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17:05	OldCoder	john_minetest, you are correct; comic may have been named after the band as an inside joke
17:05	OldCoder
17:06	OldCoder	To wrap up: There was a mild mannered comedian who had one bad day. Wife died, he fell into toxic chemicals, etc. Happens all the day. Afterwards, insane and mirror image to Batman.
17:06	OldCoder	^ Concise summary
17:06	OldCoder	* all the time
17:14	Megaf	sapier, any idea of what could be causing the OS to kill minetesetserver when rollback is in progress?
17:15	sapier	there's a known issues with large rollback files but if you don't have those I'd more think about a general bug
17:15	ShadowNinja	Megaf: OOM. Wait for SQLite rollback or merge it locally.
17:16	Megaf	ShadowNinja, how will it work? For the end user, it will be just like /rollback nick time?
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17:17	ShadowNinja	Megaf: The only difference is that it is 1000X faster, doesn't eat RAM, and /rollback_check has a limit option that defaults to 5.
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17:23	sfan5	and now bitcoin-qt crashed my computer
17:23	Peacock	have a box of lols
17:25	thexyz	s/ls/lis/
17:26	sfan5	lolis?
17:26	sfan5	do you mean lollies?
17:27	thexyz	he
17:27	thexyz	he
17:27	Megaf	ok, thanks for your attention sapier ShadowNinja
17:27	Megaf	I must got
17:28	sfan5	>I must got
17:28	sfan5	plol
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17:29	EvergreenTree	o/
17:37	Jordach	o/
17:45	rubenwardy	Ok, the handles now work, on to the UI Framework and then save / loading
17:49	sfan5	bitcoin-qt -reindex -dns -upgradewallet does things 100% faster than before
17:51	Jordach	plol, bitcoin
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17:54	Exio4	does anyone want to play monopoly?
17:54	Jordach	FUCK. YEAH.
17:54	EvergreenTree	^
17:54	reactor	~ $ who is smart
17:54	reactor	usage: who [-HmqsTu] [am I] [file]
17:54	reactor	:(
17:54	reactor	It used to say the current user.
17:54	Peacock	who is Yeah and why would you fornicate with him/her
17:55	Jordach	goddammit Peacock
17:55	Jordach	Exio4, have you found a irc game again
17:56	Exio4	nope, it is there http://www.psmonopoly.com/monopoly-online
17:56	Peacock	not retro enough, let's play with carrier pidgeons
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17:56	Jordach	jordachAspire ~ $ who is smart
17:56	Jordach	jordach pts/0 2013-11-24 17:55 (:0.0)
17:56	Jordach	reactor, ^^
17:57	reactor	Aight.
17:57	reactor	:(
18:01	Jordach	oh, wow
18:01	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Reenable -dev suffix f87c1c2410 2013-11-24T10:01:25-08:00 http://git.io/yn2Vjw
18:02	Jordach	didn't even had the qt developer shizzle
18:08	Calinou	calinoucalinou-desktop:~$ whatis love
18:08	Calinou	love: nothing appropriate.
18:09	Jordach	same here
18:09	sfan5	4
18:09	sfan5	s/4//
18:11	iqualfragile	oh fuckâ€¦ 4chan found some child adoption wobsite
18:13	Jordach	wobsite
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18:16	rubenwardy	Hmmm
18:17	Jordach	any minetesters up for online monopoly?
18:18	PilzAdam	Jordach, hows the short coming along?
18:18	Jordach	PilzAdam, rendering
18:18	EvergreenTree	He's working on it
18:18	Jordach	it's done in large segments so i can openshot it as well as blender render new parts
18:18	whiskers75	Hai guise
18:19	Jordach	PilzAdam, frame 32 of 475
18:21	EvergreenTree	Jordach, did you know blender has a fairly basic built in video editor?
18:21	EvergreenTree	It's called blender vse iirc
18:21	Jordach	EvergreenTree, sucks compared to OpenShot
18:21	Jordach	i'd rather use the well known FOSS standard
18:21	EvergreenTree	yeah, though OpenShot sucks compared to some of the video editors on linux
18:21	EvergreenTree	it'll do though
18:22	Jordach	s/linux/windows
18:22	Jordach	EvergreenTree, OpenShot 2.0 has an amazing set of new stuff
18:23	EvergreenTree	Like what?
18:23	* EvergreenTree	wants
18:23	Jordach	new interface, new transitions, plugin support
18:24	Jordach	http://www.openshotvideo.com/?bloglink-header
18:24	Jordach	masking, some other shit
18:25	EvergreenTree	:D
18:25	Peacock	"Openshit, now with masking and other shit" XD
18:26	Exio4	Jordach: ?
18:26	Jordach	Exio4, waiting for the tree
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18:28	Calinou	I tried installing arch in VirtualBox today and failed again :<
18:29	Jordach	Calinou, i managed to get Arch going in virtualbox
18:29	Jordach	ON WINDOWS.
18:29	Jordach	EvergreenTree, Exio4: want a render of us three playing monopoly?
18:29	Calinou	on windows, yes, Jordach
18:29	Exio4	sure
18:29	Calinou	Jordach, us four!
18:30	OldCoder	Calinou, what went wrong?
18:30	EvergreenTree	Here is the client if you want to play: http://www.psmonopoly.com/monopoly-online
18:30	OldCoder	Not with Love but with Hard Disk
18:31	Calinou	it kept rebooting on "archiso"
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18:31	VanessaE	hi all
18:31	Calinou	"All original material Copyright 2002-2014"
18:31	Calinou	THEY HAVE A TIME MACHINE!!!
18:31	OldCoder	VanessaE, Hello
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18:46	* rubenwardy	is starting to write the NBE's file parser
18:47	thexyz	Calinou: try harder
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18:47	thexyz	what's so difficult about installing arch?
18:47	thexyz	it just fucking works
18:47	Calinou	it doesn't boot on the installed stuff
18:47	VanessaE	rubenwardy: Non-Biological Extraterrestrial's? ;)
18:47	Calinou	it keeps booting archiso
18:47	rubenwardy	NodeBox Editor
18:48	thexyz	(and if it doesn't just fucking works then use `acpi=off nomodeset` and it will)
18:48	Calinou	how would you remove the installation media on virtualbox?
18:48	VanessaE	(that stupid movie ruined me...)
18:48	thexyz	Calinou: that's not arch problem
18:48	thexyz	lrn2virtualbox
18:48	thexyz	you can remove the disk from the tray
18:48	Calinou	I don't have that problem with xubuntu or debian
18:48	thexyz	or choose a different boot media when starting your virtual machine
18:48	Calinou	didn't have to do that :P
18:48	thexyz	and?
18:48	thexyz	also
18:48	PilzAdam	VanessaE, heh
18:49	thexyz	http://i.imgur.com/B82D3gR.png
18:50	thexyz	but I guess I've posted that one already
18:50	thexyz	http://i.imgur.com/bdjXaJZ.jpg
18:50	iqualfragile	thexyz: are you sure that should be archlinux?
18:50	thexyz	of course
18:50	iqualfragile	not â€¦ gentooâ€¦?
18:50	thexyz	what else?
18:51	thexyz	I don't remember people advertising gentoo to newbies
18:51	Calinou	I seen the first one already
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18:51	iqualfragile	that might be because there are no getoo usersâ€¦
18:51	Calinou	thanks for .png version :P
18:51	thexyz	iqualfragile: I use it
18:51	iqualfragile	SO BLOATED with "the gnu coreutils"
18:51	thexyz	http://i.imgur.com/sLf3w7W.png
18:52	thexyz	> install gentoo
18:52	iqualfragile	yes, busybox masterrace
18:53	iqualfragile	plol
18:53	thexyz	http://i.imgur.com/dLswDjW.jpg
18:53	Leoneof	your poor cpu, don't compile with your cpu
18:53	thexyz	what?
18:54	Leoneof	gentoo means to compile everything, yes or no?
18:54	iqualfragile	Leoneof: wat.jpg?
18:54	iqualfragile	yes
18:55	Leoneof	then don't hurt your cpu, you have to run simple software on it
18:55	Leoneof	:)
18:55	thexyz	what should I use it for?
18:55	Leoneof	ummm, VMware :D
18:55	iqualfragile	thexyz: gpu obviously plol
18:55	thexyz	wat?
18:56	iqualfragile	a joke
18:56	iqualfragile	Leoneof: i do not know about you but my cpu is idle for about 99% of the time
18:57	Calinou	same
18:57	Leoneof	great, keep it in quiet mode.
18:57	thexyz	eh
18:57	thexyz	what a waste of resources
18:58	thexyz	http://i.imgur.com/O9bL4M2.jpg
19:00	iqualfragile	thexyz: i think apple users are bsd users
19:00	DMackey	Aww, they are scared of the little puppy heh
19:02	iqualfragile	thexyz: i think the arch pic is a litle outdated
19:02	thexyz	why?
19:02	Calinou	old ubuntu logo is used :P
19:02	iqualfragile	pacman does not delete your custom configs anymore
19:04	thexyz	wow!
19:05	thexyz	that's quite a progress
19:05	thexyz	but honestly, I think that arch is good
19:05	thexyz	because new packages and AUR
19:05	iqualfragile	see?
19:05	thexyz	and the wiki too
19:06	iqualfragile	yes, aur is awsome
19:06	iqualfragile	wiki is realy nice
19:06	iqualfragile	(arch just does not have the problems other distros have, maintaining multiple versions of the same guide for different releases)
19:06	thexyz	does it have something like revdep-rebuild?
19:07	iqualfragile	?
19:07	thexyz	it's a tool available for gentoo which checks packages for broken links to libs and rebuilds them
19:07	iqualfragile	uhâ€¦
19:07	iqualfragile	no, that does not realy happen
19:07	thexyz	really? it did for me
19:07	thexyz	when you have a package from AUR
19:08	thexyz	and update some system library
19:08	iqualfragile	ah, i see
19:08	iqualfragile	i am not aware of any tool that does this
19:08	thexyz	in gentoo it doesn't happen anymore because it keeps old libraries if anything depends on them
19:08	iqualfragile	but i mostly use -hg -git -bzr packages from aur so i do not crae
19:08	thexyz	well that sucks
19:09	iqualfragile	what i dislike about arch is the limited amount of packages in the official repositories
19:10	iqualfragile	no security solution (grsec, selinux, apparmor) at all
19:10	iqualfragile	no simon
19:10	thexyz	then use gentoo hardened
19:10	iqualfragile	nope
19:10	thexyz	why?
19:11	iqualfragile	too unstable
19:11	iqualfragile	do not want to recompile all of kde just for one translation change
19:11	thexyz	unstable?
19:11	thexyz	then don't use ~stuff
19:11	iqualfragile	yes, it allways uses the latest versions so its unstable
19:11	sfan5	why are .me domains that expensive...
19:12	thexyz	you have no idea
19:12	rubenwardy	Save for the node box editor is complete! Now for reading...
19:12	thexyz	1) if you don't want unstable packages don't use ~amd64/~x86 keywords
19:12	thexyz	and you'll get stable everything
19:13	iqualfragile	rubenwardy: does it finally compile on archlinux?
19:13	thexyz	then, if you don't like last package version for some reason you can mask it and continue using the version you like
19:13	iqualfragile	thexyz: i was joking
19:13	iqualfragile	i am using arch right now
19:13	rubenwardy	no idea, iqualfragile.
19:13	thexyz	it's a stupid joke
19:13	thexyz	because it's hard to differ from fanboyism
19:13	iqualfragile	okâ€¦
19:16	Calinou	<sfan5> why are .me domains that expensive...
19:16	Calinou	because of ego
19:16	sfan5	lololol
19:16	Calinou	just buy .org, the inverse of .me! :D
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19:16	thexyz	how expensive is "that expensive"?
19:17	sfan5	$8.99
19:17	thexyz	that's considered expensive now?
19:17	thexyz	eh
19:17	sfan5	I wonder why .pw is cheap
19:18	Calinou	why buy expensive when you can have cheaper
19:18	VanessaE	heh and I thought the ten bucks a year that I pay for my .com was cheap
19:18	thexyz	because it looks nicer? and it's not "expensive", if you think 9$/year is expensive I've got bad news for you
19:18	PilzAdam	maybe its $8.99 per day
19:18	thexyz	expensive is something like .tm
19:18	rubenwardy	Bye all
19:19	Calinou	why not save a few dollars?
19:19	thexyz	although not really
19:19	Calinou	sometimes it does not even cost you a character
19:19	iqualfragile	you know whats cheap? your mom
19:19	thexyz	> because it looks nicer?
19:19	Peacock	lol
19:19	Calinou	well, we even have free domains if length doesn't really matter
19:19	thexyz	you can as well just have .tk
19:19	Calinou	subdomains, I mean
19:19	Peacock	there's not just length, there's girth too
19:19	Calinou	usually works :P
19:19	thexyz	iqualfragile: http://i.imgur.com/KjVLmHo.jpg
19:19	thexyz	Peacock: ^
19:19	iqualfragile	:D
19:20	iqualfragile	have you just recently restocked on funny pictures?
19:20	thexyz	not really
19:20	thexyz	I collect them sometimes
19:20	Peacock	your momma's so fat, when she walks around in high heels, she strikes oil
19:21	sfan5	.pw is $3.98, .me is $8.99 and .xxx is $84.89 ( per year)
19:21	Calinou	lol @ .xxx
19:21	thexyz	> being that cheap
19:21	Peacock	you could start a pron site
19:21	Peacock	efficientgermansex.xxx
19:21	sfan5	lol
19:21	thexyz	.xxx was on sale not too long ago
19:22	iqualfragile	Peacock: i do not think that would be too exiting
19:22	* Jordach	just put ese into bankruptcy in monopoly
19:23	* sfan5	hates monopoly (because everyone else is better than me)
19:23	PilzAdam	nobody is better in monopoly than my grandma
19:23	sfan5	cmon bitcoin-qt sync faster!
19:23	iqualfragile	i dislke the standard monopoly rules
19:24	iqualfragile	sfan5: wont happen
19:24	iqualfragile	you need to download like 9 gb data
19:24	sfan5	it needs to download data from the last 74 weeks
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19:24	sfan5	~ 180000/270000 blocks
19:27	thexyz	http://i.imgur.com/w6cT7im.png
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19:34	hmmmm	I wonder if that kristopher guy made a contract with walt disney to badmouth madoka
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19:38	thexyz	probably
19:38	thexyz	I dunno, why else would one hate on madoka?
19:41	VanessaE	why do people hate on anime in general? :-/
19:41	NekoGloop	because kawaii uguuuuuuu hehehehehe
19:42	thexyz	http://kielmaru07.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/1259829153228.jpg
19:42	hmmmm	lol
19:42	hmmmm	thexyz is /a/ no doubt
19:42	Jordach	PilzAdam, i have 4k in the bank
19:43	thexyz	hmmmm: http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/zeichnungen/minetest-dad.png
19:43	hmmmm	I have three times as much
19:43	hmmmm	because I have a JOB and i WORK
19:45	Jordach	hmmmm, monopoly money
19:45	thexyz	hmmmm: sad truth is sad
19:46	hmmmm	pft sour grapes
19:46	thexyz	Jordach: was that an attempt at showing off?
19:49	Exio4	Jordach:
19:49	Exio4	are you kidding us
19:50	thexyz	i too don't understand this
19:56	iqualfragile	"borderline autistic" yes, describes the minetest community quite well
19:56	sfan5	>God damn. Is there a tag for "swimsuit that lets you see the nipples"? (http://boards.4chan.org/a/res/97285540) lol
19:56	sfan5	maybe it was a bad idea to browse 4chan /a/
19:57	hmmmm	what are you guys watching this season
19:57	iqualfragile	sfan5: why would it be?
19:57	iqualfragile	unless you wanted to keep your social skills and remaining braincells
19:58	sfan5	the first post of /vg/ I looked at was about Hyperdimension game neptune; watched the anime
19:59	sfan5	the first post of /a/ I looked at was about Yuusha ni Narenakatta Ore wa Shibushibu Shuushoku wo Ketsui Shimashita; currently watching the anime
20:00	Jordach	Exio4, not my fault
20:02	sfan5	the whole discussion is boobs
20:03	Jordach	welcome to the internet ladies and gentlemen
20:04	sfan5	I didn't expect something else
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20:06	sfan5	chrome is doing something wrong with japanese <title>s
20:07	thexyz	hmmmm: I was watching the new monogatari
20:08	hmmmm	spoiler
20:08	hmmmm	hachikuji dies
20:08	thexyz	again?
20:08	hmmmm	:D
20:08	Jordach	what a totaljerkface.com ...
20:08	hmmmm	you'll see
20:09	hmmmm	if romcoms are your thing you should check out golden time, pretty good
20:09	Jordach	Exio4, ping me when the game is done
20:09	thexyz	how does this compare to toradora?
20:10	Exio4	it is done and we're out
20:10	hmmmm	greatest love story ever written
20:10	thexyz	I know that it's by the same author
20:10	thexyz	ever told
20:11	hmmmm	compared to toradora I dunno, probably about the same or something it seems like
20:11	thexyz	hmmmm: have you checked the vn?
20:11	Exio4	toradora
20:11	hmmmm	it's still not even a 3rd of the way through
20:11	hmmmm	I have not
20:11	sfan5	ooh yay! new IS2 episodes
20:11	hmmmm	>watching infinite shittiness
20:11	hmmmm	>ever
20:11	thexyz	lol
20:11	thexyz	sfan5: watch dxd instead
20:12	sfan5	lol no
20:12	sfan5	later maybe :PÃ–
20:12	sfan5	s/Ã–//
20:13	thexyz	welp
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20:16	reactor	Ð¶Ð¶Ð¶Ð¶
20:16	thexyz	heh, they're making new chu2
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20:17	Jordach	let's lock thexyz, sfan5 and hmmmm into a room with infinite bandwidth and a laptop each
20:18	sfan5	haha, wtf http://matane.de/wp-content/uploads/katanablue.jpg
20:18	Jordach	except a microwave is activated every half hour
20:18	sfan5	don't forget kittens
20:18	thexyz	Jordach: microwave? is that a s;g reference?
20:18	Jordach	no
20:18	Jordach	microwaves kill wifi
20:18	hmmmm	I still haven't watched s;g
20:18	hmmmm	:(
20:18	thexyz	why?
20:18	sfan5	Jordach: you didn't say that we use wifi
20:19	hmmmm	never got around to it
20:19	hmmmm	if we were all locked in a room we'd probably still do the same things we're doing now
20:19	thexyz	you should
20:19	hmmmm	NO
20:19	thexyz	also there's now shitty camrip of the movie
20:19	hmmmm	must
20:19	hmmmm	do
20:19	hmmmm	minetest
20:20	sfan5	minetest!
20:20	thexyz	oh right
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20:21	sfan5	why do fansub groups usually choose servers with shitty bandwith for ddl
20:21	Jordach	Exio4, there was a fucking auto roll feature
20:21	Jordach	sfan5, they get paid with them
20:21	sfan5	I'm downloading at like 5/12 of my max dl speed
20:22	ruskie	because they prefer you use torrents
20:22	ruskie	I use xdcc
20:22	Exio4	Jordach: yes, emily and i used it
20:22	Jordach	Exio4, fuck
20:22	sfan5	I recently upgraded my networks storage pi to a 250gb hdd (the one I had lying around)
20:22	Calinou	emily?
20:23	Jordach	Calinou, monopoly
20:23	Calinou	ah
20:23	thexyz	sfan5: use either xdcc or torrents
20:23	Jordach	(grab capitalism and connect to play.psmonopoly.com : 1234)
20:23	Calinou	I wanted to play it, but why do you need to install a .deb for that? :/
20:23	Calinou	thexyz, piracy advice isn't really welcome here
20:23	thexyz	who the fuck uses ddl?
20:23	thexyz	Calinou: what piracy?
20:23	Jordach	Calinou, you can build from source
20:23	Calinou	thexyz, people who want to avoid the hadopi ;)
20:23	Calinou	in france (even though it's not really alive anymore)
20:23	thexyz	Calinou: I thought we're talking about linux distros, no?
20:23	sfan5	thexyz: there are no torrents yet
20:23	Calinou	I direct download my linux distros, too :P
20:24	thexyz	sfan5: just watch english subs
20:24	Calinou	thexyz, "fansub"... :P
20:24	* sfan5	used torrents to dl xubuntu
20:24	sfan5	thexyz: but.. german...
20:24	Calinou	torrenting was slower :/
20:24	thexyz	sfan5: what player do you use?
20:24	sfan5	vlc (please don't tell me you want me to use mpv, I know that)
20:24	Jordach	Calinou, i've got a run in place build: you want it?
20:24	thexyz	> vlc
20:25	thexyz	whyyyyyy
20:25	thexyz	well at least now I know you deserve slow ddl
20:25	sfan5	because it works
20:25	sfan5	:-(
20:25	* sfan5	flips table
20:25	* Calinou	flips cone
20:26	Calinou	(the VLC logo!)
20:26	Exio4	mplayer
20:26	thexyz	mpv
20:26	sfan5	it's finished, watching time~
20:26	sfan5	Calinou: lol
20:26	* Calinou	puts cone on his head
20:26	Jordach	sfan5 - get your server's ass in gear
20:26	Jordach	btw, it's REALLY GLITCHY in FireFox
20:27	Calinou	Jordach, ok, or give me link to source
20:27	Calinou	(I thought it was closed source though... :P)
20:27	Jordach	im using mint 15
20:27	Jordach	okay wtd
20:27	thexyz	sfan5: stop using vlc right now
20:27	thexyz	http://mpv.io/
20:27	Jordach	sfan5, your uploader is chromium only :(
20:28	sfan5	Jordach: chromium?
20:28	sfan5	really
20:28	sfan5	?
20:28	Jordach	sfan5, i have to double click top bar links
20:28	sfan5	that's a bug in bootstrap
20:28	Jordach	and it tells me to resend login info after i've logged in
20:28	Jordach	fuck it: mediafire it is
20:28	sfan5	wat
20:29	sfan5	let me test
20:29	Jordach	Firefox 20 btw
20:29	Jordach	Calinou, http://www.mediafire.com/download/566yna01trtbidt/
20:29	Jordach	prebuilt and has source folders
20:29	Calinou	ok
20:30	sfan5	well...
20:30	thexyz	Currently the most up-to-date and modern continuation of what used to be MPlayer, forked from a fork called MPlayer2 (a.k.a. MPlayer-uau) that originally added segment linking and ordered chapters playback capability for *nix users.
20:30	thexyz	Contains a very high quality OpenGL3-based renderer by wm4 ("opengl", "opengl-hq"), as well as a new libass-based OSD implementation.
20:30	thexyz	^ mpv
20:30	sfan5	the resend is caused by the reload after login
20:30	sfan5	firefox is weird
20:30	sfan5	use a better browser
20:30	Jordach	chromium keeps having panics over my kerring
20:30	Jordach	keyring
20:31	Jordach	and it doesn't read very well
20:31	Calinou	firefox is nice
20:31	Calinou	chromium is good too
20:31	sfan5	thexyz: fine, I'll try mmpv
20:31	Jordach	(happened on xubuntu and mint)
20:31	thexyz	sfan5: yes you should
20:31	sfan5	if my upload service works better in IE than Firefox I'll laugh
20:33	Jordach	btw, my games are always marked #minetest
20:34	thexyz	wat?
20:35	thexyz	sfan5: i can't believe you're watching is instead of s;g
20:35	sfan5	I (personally) find IS2 more interesting than S;G
20:35	sfan5	but that does not mean I'm not watching s;g anymore
20:36	thexyz	hmmmm: ^
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20:37	sfan5	mpv has a building system better than the most projects I've seen
20:39	thexyz	what else could you expect from the best video player software ever made?
20:39	thexyz	http://mpv.io/
20:39	sfan5	I have to recompile libav... no way... I hate that
20:40	thexyz	'build' finished successfully (3.250s)
20:40	thexyz	hey that's nice
20:40	thexyz	mpv recommends ffmpeg
20:41	thexyz	also why do you need to recompile it? are you on gentoo or something?
20:41	sfan5	no, ubuntu only has outdated packages
20:42	thexyz	outdated? i'm sure you don't need bleeding edge libav/ffmpeg generally
20:42	Jordach	> ubuntu
20:42	VanessaE	G*d fucking damn it
20:42	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002
20:42	sfan5	after installing all needed packages it still shows the message
20:43	sfan5	"Unable to find development files for some of the required Libav libraries (libavutil > 51.73.0 libavcodec > 54.34.0 libavformat > 54.19.0 libswscale >= 2.0.0)."
20:43	VanessaE	formerly his currency and economy mod. I warned him not to blank the post. Now what?
20:44	Jordach	VanessaE, you have a copy of it in VE-Survival
20:44	VanessaE	yes
20:44	Jordach	create your own fork...
20:44	thexyz	sfan5: well you know your problem
20:44	VanessaE	the current version is slightly broken though
20:45	VanessaE	rather than fix what he broke, he deleted the post and the related git repo
20:45	thexyz	VanessaE: permanent ban
20:45	thexyz	oh i'm too late
20:45	Jordach	thexyz, abusing your status eh
20:45	thexyz	Jordach: what?
20:45	Jordach	thexyz, a warning would have been fine: he's a hothead
20:45	thexyz	seriously
20:46	sfan5	TheLastProject: I already banned him
20:46	VanessaE	I warned him ahead of time, Jordach
20:46	VanessaE	he did it anyway
20:46	thexyz	Jordach: any chance you're living somewhere where drugs are allowed?
20:46	Jordach	thexyz, okay, from VanessaE's reports, feel free to nuke from orbit
20:46	thexyz	blanking posts is bannable offense
20:46	NekoGloop	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLPkKZS6q9k randomly
20:46	Jordach	do as you please
20:46	sfan5	!title
20:46	MinetestBot	sfan5: GentleBot Hell [SFM] - YouTube
20:48	thexyz	sfan5: mixing binary and source packages is not generally a very good idea
20:48	thexyz	> install gentoo
20:48	sfan5	no
20:49	thexyz	then
20:49	thexyz	can you explain why did you compile libav from source?
20:49	hmmmm	>tfw someone browses the same boards as me
20:49	sfan5	I didn't
20:49	sfan5	apparently there is a build script that does stuff for me
20:49	thexyz	I can't read then
20:49	thexyz	[00:39:57] <sfan5> I have to recompile libav... no way... I hate that
20:50	thexyz	by the way, anyone with win8 willing to test last minetest?
20:50	sfan5	s/recompile/compile/ then
20:50	* sfan5	did test last minetest on win8.1 already
20:50	thexyz	you don't have to
20:50	sfan5	works perfectly
20:50	thexyz	hm
20:50	iqualfragile	> impyling somebody uses windows 8
20:51	iqualfragile	NekoGloop:
20:51	iqualfragile	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk8f7cY5Rx8
20:51	NekoGloop	nope
20:51	sfan5	!title
20:51	MinetestBot	sfan5: [Trance/Techno/Rave] Drop the Bass - YouTube
20:52	thexyz	> music > youtube
20:52	thexyz	enjoy yer quality
20:52	NekoGloop	I do enjoy it
20:52	NekoGloop	since I don't have dial-up
20:52	NekoGloop	:v
20:52	Jordach	Calinou, 180s to reconnect, otherwise game over
20:52	Calinou	I segfaulted
20:52	Jordach	o.o
20:52	Calinou	cool, it asks for reconnect
20:53	iqualfragile	"i segfaulted" sounds kind of like "i sneezed"
20:53	thexyz	I was talking about audio quality
20:53	iqualfragile	thexyz: i do not think this is about audio quality
20:54	thexyz	for every song you listened to on youtube ...
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20:54	NekoGloop	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUGzDRx9mNM
20:55	iqualfragile	NekoGloop: wtf is this shit?
20:55	NekoGloop	!title
20:55	MinetestBot	NekoGloop: ã€Touhouã€‘Aya & Hatate de Don "ã‚ã‚„ã¨ã¯ãŸã¦ãƒ‰ãƒ¼ãƒ³"ã€æ±æ–¹ã€‘"1 hour [...]
20:55	NekoGloop	that
20:55	iqualfragile	yeah, i am looking at it right now
20:55	thexyz	NekoGloop: you should get that torrent with 1.2tb of touhou music
20:55	NekoGloop	well you asked what it was
20:56	NekoGloop	I don't have 1.2tb of harddrive space >.>
20:56	thexyz	then you can get a lossy one
20:56	thexyz	which is ~300 gb
20:56	NekoGloop	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqa4OUWWFJ8 ~
20:56	thexyz	http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=473067
20:57	NekoGloop	don't care
20:57	thexyz	why?
20:57	thexyz	you're always posting this kind of music yet you don't care
20:58	thexyz	I can't understand this, can you explain please?
20:58	iqualfragile	john_minetest: yeah, big tradition
20:58	iqualfragile	wernher von braun& stuff
21:00	iqualfragile	minute?
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21:02	iqualfragile	ah, that guy
21:05	iqualfragile	i am quite sure his name is gÃ¼nther not gunther
21:08	sfan5	mpv compiled
21:09	thexyz	cool
21:09	thexyz	with lua?
21:09	sfan5	mpv is nice
21:09	thexyz	now uninstall vlc
21:09	sfan5	dunoo
21:09	sfan5	dunno*
21:09	sfan5	I just followed http://askubuntu.com/questions/343147/is-there-any-way-to-install-mpv-without-having-to-compile-it-from-source
21:09	thexyz	meh
21:10	thexyz	well whatever
21:10	thexyz	if there's on screen controls when you move mouse then it has lua
21:11	Jordach	another segfault
21:11	Jordach	goddamit
21:11	Calinou	Jordach, me too
21:11	Jordach	ui didn't
21:11	Jordach	-u
21:11	Jordach	i think its the animations
21:13	sfan5	thexyz: there are controls
21:13	thexyz	cool
21:13	sfan5	I'm currently setting all file assocs. to mpv
21:13	thexyz	see? it's better than mplayer.*
21:13	thexyz	john_minetest: anything is better than vlc
21:13	thexyz	yes it can do that
21:13	thexyz	and mpv plays everything
21:14	Calinou	it can even record stuff, or convert stuff
21:14	thexyz	i'm not sure about decss though
21:15	thexyz	mpv can convert, and that can even be useful sometimes
21:15	thexyz	i.e. you need to deinterlace and don't want to use your brain
21:15	thexyz	just use mpv and yadif
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21:23	thexyz	sfan5: are you enjoying it?
21:24	sfan5	yes
21:24	sfan5	but I hate that it closes when i press esc an it is in fullscreen
21:24	sfan5	I can change that, right?
21:25	thexyz	sfan5: ESC set fullscreen no
21:25	thexyz	and then you'll need a shortcut to terminate it
21:25	thexyz	https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/blob/master/etc/input.conf
21:26	sfan5	where is that file?
21:26	thexyz	# All lines in this file are commented. If you want to remap a key, copy the
21:26	thexyz	# file to ~/.mpv/input.conf, and uncomment and edit the binding you want to
21:26	thexyz	# change.
21:26	thexyz	reading is hard
21:26	thexyz	i understand
21:26		thexyz was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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21:26	sfan5	oh sorry
21:26	thexyz	too bad i can't kick it in return
21:27	thexyz	also related https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/103
21:27	ShadowNinja	I can't have it ignore that and not real floods without making it slow or adding special exemptions.
21:28	thexyz	hey i never flood
21:28	thexyz	and quassel doesn't support gay.pl so you're safe
21:29	ShadowNinja	Heh.
21:29	Exio4	what is gay.pl
21:29	sfan5	haha
21:30	Exio4	prism ftw :P
21:33	thexyz	sfan5: now that you've got a decent player you should get some decent shows to watch
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21:37	VanessaE	ok, I managed to capture and re-upload all but six of DanDuncombe's projects: candle, nanotech, 3d_apple, instabuild, zonbies_game, and sign (danger/hazard signs)
21:37	VanessaE	anyone got files to fill those in with?
21:38	thexyz	where were those hosted?
21:38	VanessaE	they were all dropbox or github.
21:39	VanessaE	he deleted them at the source and I don't have copies here.
21:39	VanessaE	those which I re-uploaded are as forum attachments.
21:39	thexyz	meh that's retarded
21:39	thexyz	why did he ragequit again?
21:39	VanessaE	because he couldn't be arsed to fix a bug in his currency mod
21:40	thexyz	wat
21:40	VanessaE	despite insistence that he fix his code, he decided "fuck it, I'll just delete it"
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21:40	VanessaE	when warned not to delete it from the forum, he did so anyway.
21:40	VanessaE	sfan5 banned him, he ragequit.
21:40	thexyz	wat
21:40	VanessaE	yeah.
21:42	thexyz	okay new rule for mod releases
21:42	VanessaE	yes?
21:43	thexyz	you should attach archive with code using forum attachments
21:43	VanessaE	forum attachment is mandatory? :)
21:43	thexyz	yes
21:43	VanessaE	agreed.
21:43	thexyz	you do?
21:43	VanessaE	mmhmm.
21:43	iqualfragile	thexyz: why not move to mmdb?
21:43	thexyz	i thought you're going to tell stuff about trolling release and github and so
21:43	thexyz	iqualfragile: that's an option too
21:44	thexyz	i hope it's not too broken
21:44	iqualfragile	especialy as there is now (incomplete) support in minetest
21:44	Sokomine	thexyz: hm. that might be a nice idea. might help us to keep copies of mods. might even be easier for players sometimes. definitely better than those mediafire hosted mods
21:44	VanessaE	thexyz: use forum attachments for stable/"current" releases, github et al. for dev?
21:44	VanessaE	so at worst, the dev release disappears but the stable releases remain
21:44	thexyz	I'm afraid some guys don't even have releases
21:44	thexyz	and then, yes, there's mmdb
21:45	VanessaE	well if not releases, then a download of the current code anyway
21:45	thexyz	so use it instead?
21:45	VanessaE	use both
21:45	iqualfragile	both is redundand--> waste of time
21:45	VanessaE	yeah but mmdb is... cumbersome compared to a forum attachment
21:45	thexyz	is mmdb usable in its current state?
21:45	iqualfragile	idea: put some stickie in the mod releases section pointing to mmdb
21:45	VanessaE	why not have mmdb scrape the forums?
21:45	iqualfragile	gather some feedback
21:46	Calinou	I don't use mmdb personally
21:46	PilzAdam	thexyz, no, since it doesnt get versions from git automatically
21:46	thexyz	i don't like the source code but maybe the frontend is better?
21:46	thexyz	PilzAdam: forums don't either
21:46	thexyz	what's your point?
21:46	iqualfragile	add things which need to be added
21:46	iqualfragile	then use mmdb
21:46	PilzAdam	thexyz, I can add a link to the git download to the forum
21:46	Sokomine	i already suggested to iqualfragile to use the bot that scans mod releases for required points to gather the information for mmdb
21:46	iqualfragile	Sokomine: mmdb and the forums are in the same database
21:46	thexyz	PilzAdam: yes, and that's a problem if you don't add an archive with release
21:46	thexyz	we're going to disallow those topics to be moved into mod releases section
21:47	iqualfragile	no need to render stuff as html and then evaluate it
21:47	VanessaE	scraping the forum for release info, while not as reliable as manually adding it, is far better for the modders imho
21:47	thexyz	meh
21:47	PilzAdam	thexyz, what if I link to a commit?
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21:47	thexyz	PilzAdam: no, that's not the problem
21:47	thexyz	the problem is that if you ragequit then everything is lost
21:48	iqualfragile	releases have another advantage: you can review them
21:48	VanessaE	what's the rule gonna be for mods that already there?
21:48	iqualfragile	and support different minetest versions with different versions
21:48	VanessaE	+are
21:48	VanessaE	there == Mod Releases section, I mean
21:48	PilzAdam	thexyz, the best way I can imagine is to tag releases in git and tell mmdb to check that out
21:49	thexyz	PilzAdam: are you willing to write this functionality?
21:49	thexyz	and then do the same for svn
21:49	VanessaE	PilzAdam: you just excluded 90% of the modding community :P
21:49	thexyz	and hg
21:49	thexyz	and something else
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21:49	ShadowNinja	thexyz: ShadowBot now ignores trusted users. You have to register to be considered trusted.
21:49	VanessaE	it's hard enough to get people to use github or similar, let alone learn branching and tagging.
21:49	PilzAdam	thexyz, Im just telling the devs of mmdb what would suit me the best
21:49	thexyz	ShadowNinja: register?
21:49	VanessaE	and that doesn't deal with the problem of people deleting their github repos entirely.
21:49	VanessaE	which is the problem here.
21:50	ShadowNinja	thexyz: /msg ShadowBot help register
21:50	thexyz	PilzAdam: then don't highlight me, highlight iqualfragile instead since he's the only one who develops me, thx
21:50	PilzAdam	thexyz, dont be so aggressive against suggestions
21:50	thexyz	s/me,/it/
21:50	thexyz	PilzAdam: stop right now
21:50	PilzAdam	oh, you asked, though
21:50	thexyz	alright
21:50	thexyz	this feature will never be implemented anyway so iqualfragile feel free to ignore this feature request
21:51	Timoteo	maybe its not the worst thing excluding people not capable of operating basic versioning... I would not want to run code by someone not even able to tag something
21:51	iqualfragile	VanessaE: yes, that is because git is freakingly hard to learn and an overkill for allmost all projects
21:51	iqualfragile	hg is easy and its quite easy to get people to use it
21:52	VanessaE	overkill? maybe. hard to learn? not really. people are just too lazy to learn
21:52	PilzAdam	Timoteo, the problem is not to tag stuff, its that its very unhandy for me to uplaod .zips to mmdb
21:53	PilzAdam	iqualfragile, will game support be added?
21:54	iqualfragile	yes
21:54	iqualfragile	atm: sanktnimmerleinstag :D (kidding)
21:55	Sokomine	that's true. somehow, mmdb is too unhandy currently. it requires to download the mod from github, renaming the folder from bla-master to bla, packing it again (so that people getting it from there at least do not run into problems), upload it, uplaod screenshots, attach the screenshots to the posting, wait for it to be approved...
21:56	Sokomine	it's not bad as such. mmdb will be very helpful for players seeking mods eventually. especially those who just started and havn't heared about the forum or are not that intrested in it and just want to play
21:56	VanessaE	thexyz: list of his projects where I couldn't restore the downloads: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6470942/
21:56	VanessaE	(I need to improve my packrat skills...)
21:56	PilzAdam	Sokomine, wait, what? versions need to be approved?
21:57	iqualfragile	Sokomine: renaming it is actualy not needed (anymore) sapier has some kind of clever name guessing mechanism build into the modmanager
21:57	PilzAdam	who does this? how is it done?
21:57	sapier	modmanager does rename mods ;-)
21:57	PilzAdam	s/clever/hacky/
21:57	iqualfragile	PilzAdam: yes, they need to be aproved
21:58	iqualfragile	at the moment i guess that i do most of the approving
21:58	PilzAdam	and what do you check? do you run the mod and see if it even loads?
21:58	iqualfragile	but we should ask thexyz to add some/all forum mods to the people allowed to approve
21:58	Sokomine	vanessa: dan did a lot of projects. no wonder you didn't catch all
21:59	Sokomine	iqualfragile: oh, that's good news!
21:59	iqualfragile	PilzAdam: right now i mostly look for basic stupid mistakes but that would be the aim
21:59	ShadowNinja	Last I heard mods + devs can, or will be able to, approve.
21:59	PilzAdam	iqualfragile, how about doing this automatically? run the mod in all specified API versions
21:59	Sokomine	oh? you really check them when approving? intresting. might be quite a lot of work in some cases
22:00	iqualfragile	PilzAdam: the reason i build in approving was mainly to prevent evil mods to do anything harmfull
22:00	PilzAdam	iqualfragile, how long did checking mobf take? :-p
22:01	iqualfragile	PilzAdam: well, i open every .lua file and take a quick look
22:01	Sokomine	the most important issue i have with mmdb is that it ought to link to the forum posting because that's where most modders describe what their mod is about, post screenshots, describe functionality, explain receipes. that's where the documentation for a mod is...in the first posting of the forum thread
22:01	Sokomine	it's extremly important to link to that. at least from the web frontend of the db
22:02	ShadowNinja	iqualfragile: The license needs to be a text field, there is no LGPLv2(+) and a number of other licenses.
22:02	PilzAdam	iqualfragile, how about scripts that simulate the API versions so the mod init can be checked (if it crashes) and another script that searches for lethal functions (like io) and marks it to review by a human if it finds it
22:03	iqualfragile	Sokomine: you can just put a link into the description, it is markdown
22:03	iqualfragile	maybe take this discussion to #minetest-mmdb
22:03	thexyz	it could also check if the script loops forever on a given input
22:03	iqualfragile	thexyz: no
22:03	iqualfragile	that is impossible
22:03	Sokomine	ah, fine. but doing so for each mod is a hell of a lot of work. we need some automatism there
22:03	thexyz	iqualfragile: you ruined the joke
22:03	iqualfragile	thexyz: oh, sorry
22:04	iqualfragile	Sokomine: but its one time work
22:04	Sokomine	how about a "add what's in this thread to the mmdb"-link/button for forum mods? and then a script could guess what it can guess from the posting, link the posting, and the moderator can finetune it? that way, adding mods of no longer active modders would work easier
22:04	Sokomine	iqualfragile: it all sums up
22:05	Sokomine	i don't even know how many mods we have out there. imagine adding them all - with only a fraction of the modders beeing present
22:05	iqualfragile	hmmâ€¦ do you like python? :D
22:05	Sokomine	no, sorry. python is a language i've never done anything in
22:06	iqualfragile	not a problem at all, python is ridiciously easy to learn
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22:07	Sokomine	what about that script of sfan5 that checks if the mod is allowed to stay in modding general? we don't need 100% accurate results here. if it reduces the work of adding a mod to the db to mostly checking if the automatism did everything right, then we'll soon see far more mods there
22:07	iqualfragile	i am a bit limited on time right now, it is enought to maintain mmdb and maybee add things like support for games but not for complex stuff like
22:07	Sokomine	perhaps. but i don't really need python right now...
22:07	Sokomine	ah
22:08	iqualfragile	wellâ€¦ what you said
22:15	VanessaE	so what's gonna be? criteria for moving a mod to Mod Releases is forum attachment, or mmdb, or both?
22:16	VanessaE	(I favor attachments)
22:17	VanessaE	thexyz: I think, also, that we need to disable editing of first posts. Maybe allow the user to amend it?
22:17	iqualfragile	proposal: neither, add a sticky pointing modders to mmdb, gather feedback, improve, then use mmdb
22:19	VanessaE	thexyz: in fact the best way might be to have amendments allowed by default, but edits have to be approved by a moderator.
22:25	kahrl	that seems restrictive, do the moderators have time and inclination to approve every change?
22:26	ShadowNinja	I don't like this, although it would be OK if I can approve my own edits... ;-)
22:29	VanessaE	kahrl: well its either that or disallow first-post edits entirely.
22:29	VanessaE	this shit has to stop.
22:29	VanessaE	amendments are fine though
22:29	VanessaE	if punbb supports that.
22:30	VanessaE	(or edit histories, which I guess it doesn't support)
22:30	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: We need edit history, and no, I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
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22:33	VanessaE	ok, edit history it is, then
22:33	VanessaE	if we can get it.
22:34	ShadowNinja	sfan5: poke :-)
22:34	ShadowNinja	Or we switch to something like phpbb.
22:35	PilzAdam	VanessaE, you seem to have missed thexyz's rage about that yesterday
22:35	VanessaE	I guess I did
22:35	VanessaE	since my machine doesn't run servers anymore, I don't leave it on 24/7 anymore :)
22:36	PilzAdam	it was about the post history, he suggested to use another forum software, which was non-free
22:36	PilzAdam	then everyone said "no! not non free software!" and he asked if someone would write it for punbb then
22:36	VanessaE	so if punbb is so hated, why do we still use it?
22:37	VanessaE	surely there are other FOSS forum systems out there
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22:39	Vazon	VanessaE you there??
22:39	VanessaE	no :)
22:39	Vazon	lol hi
22:39	VanessaE	I'm not there ------>
22:40	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: phpbb is the best that I know of, but it's bloted, and to quote xyz, "s**t".
22:40	VanessaE	I'm here vvvvv
22:40	VanessaE	points to floor
22:40	VanessaE	define "bloated"?
22:40	Vazon	i need help upbgrading to 0.4.8 on linux but i still need my files for my server .....can you help me plz :D
22:40	Vazon	upgrading*
22:40	VanessaE	Vazon: do you compile from sources or use the daily builds ppa?
22:40	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Too big?
22:41	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: too big relative to what metric?
22:41	VanessaE	what's the ideal size?
22:41	ShadowNinja	I think phpbb is our best option. It uses too much code yo implement lots of features, relative to punbb.
22:41	Vazon	ummm idk i was sent to a forum page to download 0.4.7 so idk really
22:41	ShadowNinja	to*
22:42	VanessaE	Vazon: well if you're in linux, your best bet is to compile from sources or to use the dailies ppa. https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds
22:43	VanessaE	what distro?
22:43	Vazon	??
22:43	VanessaE	what Linux distribution are you using?
22:43	Vazon	12.4
22:43	VanessaE	Ubuntu? Debian? Arch? etc
22:43	VanessaE	ok, Ubuntu.
22:43	VanessaE	12.04
22:44	Vazon	yes sorry i for got the 0
22:44	VanessaE	in that case use that ^^^^ ppa link
22:44	VanessaE	open a terminal program. become root. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds; such apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55
22:45	VanessaE	that's all that should be needed.
22:45	PilzAdam	VanessaE, eh, how about stable?
22:45	VanessaE	if you use a run-in-place build, copy your worlds and mods over to /home/yourname/.minetest
22:45	PilzAdam	Vazon wants to upgrade to stable, not dev
22:45	VanessaE	ok, then ppa:minetestdevs/stable
22:45	VanessaE	instead of /daily-builds.
22:46	VanessaE	same instructions though
22:46	Vazon	yea stable would be best thanks for that Pilz :D
22:46	VanessaE	I usually don't recommend stable because it's always outdated ;)
22:47	Exio4	>always
22:47	Exio4	>released less than 24hours ago
22:47	PilzAdam	using unstable means that you risk data loss
22:47	VanessaE	open a terminal program. become root. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable; such apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55
22:47	Vazon	exactly Pilz
22:48	VanessaE	Exio4: perhaps I should have bolded the ;) at the end :P
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22:48	PilzAdam	otoh its good for devs to have many testers
22:48	Exio4	but i wanted to use >
22:50	Vazon	now if i restart my server will it run threw 0.4.8??
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22:51	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kem9FBJjZ3I
22:51	OWNSyouAll	Is luajit required for anything or is it just for performance?
22:51	PilzAdam	OWNSyouAll, only performance
22:51	OWNSyouAll	k
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22:52	VanessaE	and then only server-side or singleplayer (doesn't affect the client)
22:55	iqualfragile	vanessae: typo
22:56	Exio4	;_;
22:56	Exio4	i need to reboot to apply the upgrades
22:56	Exio4	unless..
22:58	VanessaE	what typo?
23:00	OWNSyouAll	When I go to the credits tab of the menu I get this Could not open file of texture: /home/ownsyouall/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png
23:01	PilzAdam	OWNSyouAll, globally installed minetest version?
23:01	OWNSyouAll	Installed it from source so whatever is the default of that
23:01	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix line_of_sight (AGAIN) 4f246f0e22 2013-11-24T15:04:05-08:00 http://git.io/jMvj9g
23:01	PilzAdam	s/globally/system-wide/
23:03	OWNSyouAll	Also is there a way to change mouse sensitivity?
23:03	PilzAdam	IIRC there is a pull request for that
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23:04	VanessaE	it's all paramat'
23:04	VanessaE	it's all paramat's fault.
23:04	VanessaE	;)
23:04	PilzAdam	paramat, are you passed in yet?
23:04	paramat	of course
23:06	paramat	PA :)
23:07	paramat	Peacock, "pretty good at scanning asteroids, but only for loaded areas" its possible to scan perlin noise for where an asteroid will be generated
23:08	paramat	i do that in 'flatten' and 'uniflat' mods
23:08	* paramat	is just passing by
23:11	iqualfragile	VanessaE: ; such apt-get update
23:11	paramat	yes doctor who is hugely over-rated reads logs
23:12	VanessaE	oops!
23:12	VanessaE	heh
23:12	iqualfragile	paramat: that was yesterday
23:12	iqualfragile	you will have quite a lot to read
23:13	Vazon	VanessaE do you no the mod that tells you your pos for your bones opone death
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23:13	VanessaE	Vazon: I am not familiar with that mod.
23:14	VanessaE	(and I make sure to expressly disable bones on my servers)
23:15	Vazon	hmmmm
23:17	OWNSyouAll	What does the leveldb support add can we save worlds to leveldb instead of sqlite now?
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23:20	VanessaE	that's precisely what it does.
23:20	VanessaE	you can order the engine to use leveldb instead of sqlite if you want
23:21	OWNSyouAll	Is there any advantages to doing that?
23:21	PilzAdam	bye
23:21	VanessaE	but only right after the world is created, obviously.
23:21	NekoGloop	sqlite derps if you have too big of a world
23:21	VanessaE	leveldb is supposed to be a bit faster, less likely to barf on large worlds, yeah
23:22	VanessaE	bbl
23:22	OWNSyouAll	How large is "large" here?
23:22	VanessaE	gotta lie down for a while
23:22	OWNSyouAll	like 65k nodes?
23:22	VanessaE	OWNSyouAll: around 4 GB
23:22	VanessaE	it's dependent on the size of the map file
23:22	VanessaE	anyway, bbl.
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23:25	Sokomine	unrelated question: what are shaders good for - apart from letting the world appear more blurry? seems the sea mod with it underground plants looks far better with shaders enabled..while there are some strange effects on some textures (the leaves we talked about yesterday) with shaders disabled...
23:28	OWNSyouAll	How do I create a leveldb world I tried changing the backend to leveldb in world.mt and all that does is crash
23:30	Sokomine	that usually ought to be sufficient - provided you've leveldb compiled in
23:32	OWNSyouAll	Yeah it creates the leveldb file but crashes doing so
23:32	OWNSyouAll	http://pastebin.com/xGD7gLuR
23:33	Miner_48er	what versions of irrlicht are compatible with MT?
23:34	paramat	hmmmm thanks for the lua optimisation tips, am learning a lot (and need to). from recent advice im improving my coding style in asteroid LVM, still more to do but so far: https://github.com/paramat/asteroid/blob/master/init.lua
23:35	paramat	in 30 mins i'll be back to compile 0.4.8 from source for the first time
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23:45	Sokomine	paramat: aah! that's fine. so your intresting landscapes will become even faster :-)

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