Time Nick Message 00:02 iqualfragile harrison: i have now reformulated the question 4 times, it is sufficient if you just answer one; while they are not equivalent they are verry related 00:03 Exio4 angelscript looks pretty nice 00:04 PilzAdam bye 00:04 iqualfragile wtf? that was one secound 00:04 iqualfragile one!! 00:05 iqualfragile how the fuck does he expect one to answer within one secound? 00:06 harrison ? 00:06 harrison let me see... 00:07 harrison you might think of the films as chum, as chunks of bait spread in the water (metaphorically, the internet) to attract 00:09 harrison of course, many well-known species show up .... but one always hopes for a kraken 00:13 harrison i hope that is clear... 00:18 harrison anyway, my point tonight was just: i got 71 views from 4chan! 00:22 iqualfragile no, it is not clear, please try not to use metaphors 00:22 harrison the metaphor never fall far from the simile 00:22 harrison falls 00:49 pitriss VanessaE: Hi i want to ask.. how you have implemented tree growing speed in your moretrees.. It is constant on based on time_speed?:) 01:09 VanessaE pitriss: it is based on abms, via plants_lib 01:10 pitriss VanessaE: yeah and I'm asking if abm intervals are based on time_lenght setting:) 01:10 VanessaE no 01:11 VanessaE they're set from actual values in moretrees config; 01:11 VanessaE length of the in-game day is not taken into account 01:11 pitriss VanessaE: ohh and do you plan to do such thing? It is not so hard.. I did that for farming plus...:) 01:12 VanessaE I don't have any plans right now, but seems to me it would be trivial to implement into plants_lib 01:13 VanessaE check the length of the day, divide 72 by that number, multiply the result by the ABM interval 01:13 pitriss yeah it is trivial to take basic values and count correct ones based on time_lenght 01:26 VanessaE pitriss: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6424084/ 01:27 VanessaE look good to you? 01:27 pitriss VanessaE: thanks.. 01:28 pitriss VanessaE: only one thing.. time_speed can be zero.. so you should check that to not get division by zero error:) 01:28 VanessaE right 01:35 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6424096/ 01:35 VanessaE better? 01:36 VanessaE ('biome' is local) 01:37 pitriss VanessaE: yeah it seems good for me:) 01:42 pitriss VanessaE: do you apply this to your plantslib directly or should I patch this file locally? 01:49 Vazon can someone help me wiht PilzAdam's Item Drop mod 01:49 VanessaE pitriss: I just pushed it to git 01:49 Vazon with* 01:49 VanessaE Vazon: use cy1's instead. https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop/commits/master 01:50 pitriss VanessaE: great, i will pull it now.. Thank you very much:) 01:50 Vazon hmmm 01:51 Vazon well...... 01:52 Vazon well i cant find what im looking for on that :/ 01:53 Vazon owait 01:59 Vazon i found it but have not idea how ot input it -.- 01:59 Vazon to* 02:05 VanessaE pitriss: does it work as intended? 02:05 VanessaE I've only tested that it doesn't seem to break anything :D 02:06 pitriss VanessaE: it seems as yes, but it needs longer testing period.. with longer day these intervals are also longer:D 02:06 pitriss VanessaE: If we find some bug or so, we let you know;) 02:06 VanessaE ok 02:07 VanessaE we? 02:07 * VanessaE is curious 02:08 pitriss VanessaE: Me and my friend Ritchie.. we have small private server:D 02:08 VanessaE oh ok 02:09 pitriss But the same piece of code is just working in farming plus, so I guess it will be okay too;) 02:10 VanessaE heh ok 02:11 Vazon what is the init command to get time 02:11 VanessaE os.time() 02:11 VanessaE if you mean the lua function 02:11 Vazon yea ok lets try that 02:13 Vazon local now = minetest.os.time() what is wrong with that?? 02:14 Warr1024 you trying to get the in-game time or real time? 02:14 pitriss vazon it is os.time() not minetest.os.time 02:14 VanessaE -minetest. 02:14 VanessaE it's just os.time() 02:14 Vazon ok 02:17 Vazon omg if they could just make it simple to have just item pick up and item delete time this whouldnt be so hard >;( 02:19 pitriss Vazon: and what do you try to do? 02:20 Vazon just have item pick up and where droped items delete after so long 02:21 Exio4 redshift is cute&nice 02:22 pitriss Vazon: item pickup is easy.. https://github.com/Pitriss/classic_technic_game/blob/master/mods/pickup/init.lua //this is just modified PA's item drop 02:23 pitriss Vazon: but yeah I will appreciate code to cleanup entities lying on the ground for longer time 02:26 pitriss I'm going to sleep.. Night all..:) 02:26 Vazon night and thanks 02:57 Vazon ok back 02:57 Vazon VanessaE you there? 02:57 VanessaE hi 02:58 Vazon you know how to set up the irc mod right? 02:58 VanessaE yes 02:58 VanessaE you have to compile a library that's included with it 02:58 Vazon well could you help this Noob out plz cuase the readme file didnt help me at all 02:58 VanessaE and you have set at least the network, channel, IRC nick, and prferably the nickserv password 02:59 Vazon i have a name and password on this name 02:59 Vazon brb 03:01 Warr1024 I had a lot of trouble getting that thing to work, until I figured out to add -DLUA_USE_DLOPEN=1 to cmake command line. 03:02 VanessaE what's that do? 03:03 Warr1024 when I had minetest compiled without it, lua refused to load the binary library. 03:03 kaeza Warr1024, which OS/distro? 03:03 Warr1024 OpenBSD. 03:04 Warr1024 it's not a problem with the mod code, it's an issue with the way the embedded copy of lua in minetest itself configures itself by default. 03:04 Warr1024 It might be because support for OpenBSD in MT's cmake defs is only marginal 03:04 Warr1024 or it could be an intentional security thing in lua by default. 03:05 Warr1024 irc mod is the only one I've seen so far that's affected. 03:05 kaeza so it works if using LUA_USE_DLOPEN? 03:06 Warr1024 yes. When building minetest, I add -dLUA_USE_DLOPEN=1 to the cmake command line and follow through the rest as normal. 03:06 kaeza my translation of the Lua Makefile to a CMakeLists.txt may have gone wrong 03:06 kaeza oh derp 03:07 Warr1024 ? 03:07 kaeza don't mind me, I'm a bit sleepy 03:07 Warr1024 heh, me too 03:08 Warr1024 it looks like minetest enables that dlopen business by default on OSX. 03:08 Warr1024 maybe it just needs to do that for OpenBSD as well... 03:08 Warr1024 I can't vouch for any of the other sort-of-marginally-supported OS's like NetBSD... 03:08 kaeza IRC also does not seem to work on M$ Windows 03:08 Warr1024 not much does :-) 03:09 kaeza AFAIK it may be an error related to the fact that the copy of luasocket embeds another copy of Lua ;) 03:14 Warr1024 The problem I was having seemed to be because the copy of lua embedded in MT didn't allow loading *.so's at runtime. 03:15 Warr1024 The fix was a change to the way I compiled MT, not the way I compiled the irc plugin... 03:15 Warr1024 so I'm guessing that if this is a problem for a wider audience, it may need to be fixed in the core... 03:15 Vazon back 03:17 Vazon ok VanessaE about the irc mod what do i have to do first 03:21 kaeza Vazon, use the quick_install.sh script to build & install, then set some configuration options in minetest.conf, as explained in the Configuration section of the README 03:22 Vazon ...i have read the README file and ... it just confused me :/ 03:22 kaeza you need CMake and a C compiler 03:23 kaeza which OS BTW? 03:25 Vazon Linux Ubuntu 12.04 03:26 kaeza ok, I'll assume you have gcc and cmake installed and working 03:26 Vazon i guess... 03:26 kaeza just cd to the base directory for the IRC mod source tree 03:27 kaeza and do ./quick_install.sh ~/.minetest/mods 03:28 Vazon ok 03:30 Vazon umm im put that in the terminal and it didnt work 03:31 kaeza can you pastebin the error? 03:32 Vazon yea sure 03:32 Vazon http://pastebin.com/Qe8XfF5z 03:33 kaeza you did not cd into the base directory... 03:34 Vazon sorry im still anoob to linx and i have no idea what cd means 04:12 Miner_48er change directory 04:12 Miner_48er man cd 04:16 Warr1024 heh, you won't find manpages for cd on many systems, since it's generally a shell built-in command and not a separate bin... 06:53 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7722 06:53 hoodedice What do ya'll think? 07:07 VanessaE bbl 07:38 thexyz did some drama happen? 07:39 thexyz all proller's pull requests are closed 09:32 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118256#p118256 09:33 reactor Hell.o 09:33 thexyz that's so wrong I can't even explain it 09:42 Jordach VanessaE, HDX USER SPOTTED 09:43 thexyz you mean there are 2 hdx users now or what? 09:47 Jordach thexyz, haha yes 09:48 reactor ¨_¨ 09:48 reactor :¨ 09:52 Jordach reactor, lol 09:52 Jordach (why have we managed to forget about plol?) 09:52 Jordach ^ sfan5 09:53 reactor p? 09:53 Jordach physically 09:53 reactor Does "p" stand for "portable"? 09:53 reactor Oh. 09:53 reactor Aight. 09:59 sfan5 Jordach: dunno 10:00 sfan5 hi everyone BTW 10:00 reactor What multiplexor is better: tmux or gscreen? 10:01 Jordach screen ftw 10:01 reactor o/ sfan5 10:01 reactor What is the main diff? 10:01 reactor Last time I tried gscreen, I didn't get far. 10:01 o i think tmux is easier to use 10:02 Jordach o - please d0 n0t use 0ne letter nicks 10:02 o Jordach: why not? 10:02 Jordach pe0ple will be kicked by shad0wb0t 10:02 Jordach f0r n0 g00d reas0n 10:02 Jordach and the 0ps will kick y0u 10:03 o oh, are you being serious about that? 10:03 o i'm quite often using the nick 'o' 10:03 Jordach we've had this bef0re 10:03 o you're the first one complaining :'( 10:03 Jordach shad0wb0t kicks f0r nick spamming 10:04 o xy@daert:~/.weechat/logs$ grep -E 'kicked\s.\s' ./*/*/#minetest.weechatlog 10:04 o can't find anyone kicking a one char nick :P 10:05 Jordach there was a nick called i 10:05 o i can't really change it because i am +q'd in a channel atm 10:05 sfan5 Jordach: highlights only count like this: foo o bar not like fooobar 10:06 Jordach sfan5, shadowbot has kicked like that before 10:06 o you know what 10:07 o-o-o oooooooooooo i doubt that will get me kicked 10:07 o-o-o see? 10:08 Fadi morning 10:13 Jordach wtf 10:13 Jordach just got logged out by just playing minetest 10:14 Jordach out of my damn system :( 10:14 Jordach sfan5, just found a massive lava cave :O 10:15 thexyz what's with that stupidity? kicking for one letter nicknames, seriously? 10:15 * o shrugs 10:15 Jordach thexyz, check loggingbot's logs 10:15 thexyz gimme link 10:15 Jordach ugh 10:15 o http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ 10:16 thexyz oh thank you kind soul 10:17 Jordach thexyz, http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html 10:17 Jordach go down to most referenced nicks 10:18 thexyz Jordach: yes and? 10:18 Jordach people once abused ShadowBot's auto kicker like that 10:20 thexyz gimme links 10:20 Jordach thexyz, it happened before, but i cannot find the link 10:20 Jordach because too many logbs 10:20 Jordach logs* 10:21 thexyz well then obviously the bot has to be fixed 10:24 issa2013 hello 10:24 issa2013 what's up on the minetest world 10:26 Calinou everything's down 10:26 reactor Calinou: got pwned? 10:26 cya so 10:27 Calinou hi french guy who uses SFR 10:27 Calinou bye... 10:27 Calinou :'( 10:37 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 10:43 reactor Hello PlizAdam. 11:12 * Jordach wants a mark forum as read button 11:14 PilzAdam Jordach should look at the bottom right 11:15 Jordach PilzAdam, don't non /me third person me, that's my job!" 11:16 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest/commits/model 11:16 Jordach blend or gtfo 11:17 Jordach and why not just use the current format 11:17 Jordach there's nothing wrong with it 11:22 * Jordach doesn't like Japanese Culture descending on the forums 11:22 PilzAdam https://www.dropbox.com/s/v8qjhgebfg8y1jt/pilztest_models.zip 11:23 PilzAdam hm? what do you mean by "current format"? 11:23 Jordach PilzAdam, the one Taoki made is far superior 11:23 Jordach im also surprised you didn't name the model fiola.b3d 11:24 PilzAdam you do realise that the model size is only 10% from the one in mt_game? 11:25 PilzAdam oh, its even less than 10%: 300 KiB vs. 13 KiB 11:27 Jordach \o/ 11:29 PilzAdam also the animations look better when done dynamically in the code instead of doing it in the model file 11:29 Jordach ...tell MC that...oh...wait, it is... 11:30 PilzAdam in MC the whole model is created in the code, AFAIK 11:30 Jordach PilzAdam, yes, but it's animated like yours 11:31 Jordach Calinou, got that link to your 1080p wallpapers? 11:31 PilzAdam I want to test it on a non-local server 11:31 iqualfragile PilzAdam: maybee your model format is just broken? i think animations should be saved with the model 11:31 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2432 11:31 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i can host it 11:31 Jordach found it 11:32 PilzAdam iqualfragile, what? I would call the format of mt_game "broken", since its as big as the whole textures folder of default and it looks quite bad 11:32 PilzAdam iqualfragile, https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest/commits/model 11:33 iqualfragile PilzAdam: yes, but maybee there is a third format, not just x or b3d 11:34 PilzAdam in the default model when you dig, walk and sneak then your digging hand moves slower; thats "broken" IMO 11:34 iqualfragile yes 11:34 PilzAdam hey john_minetest 11:35 iqualfragile but please do not fall back to doing animation in the code 11:35 reactor john_minetest: o/ 11:35 reactor iqualfragile: o/ 11:35 Jordach new desktop setup get: http://i.imgur.com/w6iDZVP.png 11:35 iqualfragile reactor: \o 11:35 Jordach (my OCD is satisfied) 11:36 iqualfragile Jordach: you could use sfan5s windows8-themed minetest icon 11:36 reactor john_minetest, iqualfragile, how's Germany? 11:36 Jordach EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW 11:36 PilzAdam iqualfragile, as long as the model sending code is as bad as currently its simply wrong to save the animations in the model file 11:36 reactor Jordach: nice. 11:36 iqualfragile reactor: quite sunny right now (at least where i am) but quite cold, too 11:36 reactor Here's mine. 11:37 Jordach reactor, simple and understated - just how i like it 11:37 reactor ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz:65421/pub/scr/ 11:37 iqualfragile john_minetest: yes, and we have quite some politicians for sale! 11:37 iqualfragile PilzAdam: model sending code? 11:37 PilzAdam I mean the slow media sending by that 11:37 Jordach reactor, lovely 11:38 reactor ен 11:38 reactor ty 11:38 reactor The font has holes in it, though. Need to smoothen it out. 11:38 Jordach reactor, you could have used 65432 as the port number, or 54321 - OCD talking again 11:38 reactor Jordach: why? 11:38 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i solved that (for my server) by just running a litle bit of code to copy all the models and textures and music into one folder and then run python2 -m SimpleHTTPServer in it 11:38 Jordach because it looks good and is easy to type :D 11:39 reactor 65421 is algith. 11:39 reactor alright 11:39 reactor My point is, eh. I use ports in range 654000-65535 for subscriber services. 11:40 Jordach holy shit 11:40 Jordach dat port number 11:40 PilzAdam iqualfragile, I cant expect every pilztest server to do that 11:40 reactor What, they're the hightest available, so that they don't clutter the rest, and I can open ports randomly without considering. 11:41 iqualfragile why not use 21? 11:41 iqualfragile PilzAdam: you do not need to, you just need one pilzserver to do so 11:41 iqualfragile then others could use his server 11:42 iqualfragile holy shit, dolphin supports ftp 11:42 PilzAdam thats too centralized 11:42 * PilzAdam high fives iqualfragile for KDE 11:42 Jordach ewwwwwwwwwwww 11:42 iqualfragile PilzAdam: yes, but if people want to be decentralized they can just go ahead an run a simple command on startup 11:43 PilzAdam additional work to be decentralized? even if there is a (better) working solution that doesnt require extra work? 11:43 iqualfragile it is not that hard… i think i have even published my script to do so 11:43 iqualfragile PilzAdam: there is a better working solution? 11:43 reactor iqualfragile: 21 is too common, I don't want much attention from randomly scanning whoever is randomly scanning. 11:43 PilzAdam yes, coded animation 11:44 iqualfragile that is a hack and you know it 11:44 PilzAdam hows that hacky? 11:44 reactor Serious hackers attack for a reason. 11:44 iqualfragile reactor: crackers 11:45 reactor I have nothing to hide... yet. 11:45 reactor script kiddies? 11:45 reactor iqualfragile: yes, the right term for "hackers" is crackers. 11:45 reactor The actual hackers are not cracking shit. 11:45 iqualfragile PilzAdam: because the animations belong into the model file which is animated 11:45 reactor Because "hacking" means "advanced programming". 11:45 PilzAdam why do you think that they belong there? is it a law or something? 11:45 iqualfragile reactor: oh, wow, you have quite a stable upload 11:46 iqualfragile PilzAdam: no, but logic 11:46 reactor But whatever. To deter script kiddies, I use other port. 11:46 iqualfragile if somebody wants to reuse your model he would just try and take the model file and drop it into his folder 11:46 PilzAdam what if I e.g. want players to be able to point in a direction? with in-model animations they are always out of sync 11:46 reactor iqualfragile: ? 11:47 iqualfragile PilzAdam: that is another usecase 11:47 PilzAdam what if somebody wants to use my model but with a swimming animation? 11:47 PilzAdam I cant put every possible animation in the model 11:47 iqualfragile then he adds that animation to the model file 11:48 reactor iqualfragile: ?! 11:48 reactor iqualfragile: what model? 11:48 reactor And why not share? 11:48 reactor I don't care if someone uses my work. I would only be glad. 11:48 reactor And I'm dropping it soon, anyway. Because I have more interesting and profittable things ahead of me. 11:48 PilzAdam so he could also add animations for the animations I do in the code 11:48 reactor Ping? 11:48 iqualfragile additionaly its quite a litle bit easier to create animations using a specialised tool like blender 11:48 iqualfragile reactor: i am sorry, but what are you talking about? 11:49 reactor Oh. 11:49 reactor I got confused. 11:49 PilzAdam there are some problems: I want the digging and placing animation to depend on the view pitch 11:49 reactor Discard last five lines, they're garbage. 11:49 PilzAdam hows that possible with in-model animations? 11:49 reactor iqualfragile: what do you mean stable upload? 11:49 iqualfragile reactor: ok 11:50 iqualfragile reactor: your upload is quite stable, it does not flicker around or anything 11:50 PilzAdam and do I need to create extra animation ranges for each combination of digging, walking and sneaking? 11:50 reactor Good. 11:50 reactor How fast is it, iqualfragile? 11:50 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i am not quite shure what you are trying to archive 11:50 reactor It's not very fast, is it? 11:50 iqualfragile but animation blending is possible 11:51 PilzAdam its broken in irrlicht, though 11:51 iqualfragile so you can combine any animations without combining loads of ranges 11:51 iqualfragile digging and placing animations depeding on view pitch: cant you just create two seperate animations and use your code to decide which one should be played? 11:52 PilzAdam ehm, the pitch ranges from 0 to 180 11:52 PilzAdam I dont want to create 180 animations 11:52 iqualfragile i do not quite get what you are trying to archive 11:53 iqualfragile 123 KiB/s 11:53 PilzAdam the animation depends on a lot of things (movement, sneaking, view direction); that is a lot easier to "combine" in the code 11:55 PilzAdam thats what I want to achive: the animations should perfectly fit what the player does currently 11:55 reactor I see. 11:55 reactor I have 120 most of the time. 11:55 reactor Speaking of The X Files. I am not the best source to get them from. 11:55 reactor You better use torrents for that, the speed would be a lot faster. 11:55 PilzAdam and that is a lot harder when I have to create the animations before I know the situation 11:55 iqualfragile nah, did just one those for testing, they were the bigest files i could find at the moment 11:55 reactor I'm keeping the series (part of) for a friend of mine whose ISP only gives unlimited dl at night (I don't see any reason for him not to use torrent like others do). 11:56 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i am quite shure that it is possible to do with the logic beeing in the code and the animation in the model file 11:56 reactor Aha! 11:56 reactor I KNOW when they drop my connection. 11:56 reactor They do it when I upload something. 11:57 PilzAdam iqualfragile, as I said, animation blending is broken in Irrlicht 11:57 reactor Hell, I PAY for the bandwidth, what is wrong with you, people? 11:57 iqualfragile PilzAdam: why not fix it? 11:57 reactor Fucking scumbags. 11:58 PilzAdam iqualfragile, there are 2 possibilities: 1) fix Irrlicht, create the animations in the model and do some code to blend them 2) do code to create them 11:58 PilzAdam now guess what is easier / less time consuming? 11:58 iqualfragile yes exactly 11:58 iqualfragile and possiblity one would fix the problem for everybody 11:58 iqualfragile and possibility two is an ugly hack 11:59 PilzAdam its neither ugly nor hacky, its just a different way 12:00 iqualfragile animations do not belong into the code 12:00 PilzAdam thats your point of view 12:00 iqualfragile just as logic does not belong into models 12:01 reactor Seriously, why would ISP drop people for fully using what they pay for? 12:01 iqualfragile reactor: because it is expensive for them 12:02 reactor That is at least dishonest. But legally, it is false advertising. 12:02 PilzAdam anyway, iqualfragile, can you host the testing server? 12:02 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i am setting it up atm 12:09 issa2013 PilzAdam, i have a server on linux open 24/24 7 by 7 12:09 iqualfragile PilzAdam: please merge https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/744 12:10 iqualfragile inground spawning happens way too often 12:10 issa2013 if u want i can use to generate evry day a build from windows and linux to 32x and 64 bit 12:13 reactor iqualfragile: so what, I bought that bandwidth from them. It's mine now. 12:13 reactor iqualfragile: I have right to use it. 12:13 reactor If they can't provide it, they should reduce it and charge less. 12:14 iqualfragile reactor: yes, but 90% of users would not file a lawsuit about it 12:14 reactor Me neither. 12:14 reactor Courts are corrupted, and no one would give a french word. 12:20 reactor o many?\ 12:21 reactor I see. 12:21 reactor I know 0.000000 jokes. 12:22 reactor "Intel 80585.999462" 13:18 Dan_D What is the correct setting? video_driver = direct3d9 is what I think it is for direct3d9 13:18 Dan_D Oh wait nvm 13:18 Dan_D THe above works 13:19 reactor Shit. 13:19 reactor He leaves right when I come. 13:19 EvergreenTree o/ 14:36 hmmmm where is my mapgen cohort paramat 14:37 hmmmm anyway I just came up with an interesting idea for post-processing; i want to vary the blur radius size by perlin noise 14:38 hmmmm (yes, this reduces detail in areas but, no, this does !not! do the same thing as varying persistence or octaves since the feature reduction would be on a very local scale) 14:40 MinetestBot GIT: metaducky AT gmail DOT com commited to minetest/minetest: fixed array limit check when reading Lua specialtiles table 35606cfb67 2013-11-16T06:31:17-08:00 http://git.io/X8s9_w 14:43 hmmmm here is what I was trying to aim for originally: http://s18.postimg.org/mdyy75x3r/screenshot_1633045957.png 14:43 hmmmm this is not really possible with a linear gradient 14:43 hmmmm disregard the biomes, i screwed those up 14:44 hmmmm see how nicely the 2d and 3d noise blends in? 14:45 nore wow 14:48 hmmmm yep, i think i did a really good job at reducing that problematic 'vastness' of the terrain without sacrificing local details.. buildability is still pretty bad but I'm working on that 14:56 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix invalid listname and listsize not handled correctly in set_size 90e7832408 2013-11-16T06:52:41-08:00 http://git.io/lHLeEg 15:30 kaeza afternoons 15:30 MrBeNNy Greetings. 15:31 EvergreenTree I am back from fighting the war of leaves 15:43 MrBeNNy Hmm Evergreen trees have needles ;) 15:44 EvergreenTree Can anyone link to the api for stairsplus? 15:46 * OldCoder is driving to work and will return. He will add worlds today if people wish. 15:46 OldCoder Anybody up for a new world or two? 15:47 EvergreenTree o/ 15:48 EvergreenTree You're away from home I take it? 15:48 reactor o/ 15:52 EvergreenTree Can someone please link me to the api for stairsplus? 15:56 kaeza EvergreenTree, see the sources? 15:57 kaeza https://github.com/Calinou/moreblocks/tree/master/stairsplus 16:12 EvergreenTree Hey Calinou 16:13 Calinou hi :) 16:15 reactor o/ 16:15 reactor Oops. 16:16 reactor Memory problems. 16:17 Calinou upgrade your RAM, reactor 16:18 reactor I see you're eager to provide me a nervous tissue graft. 16:18 Jordach hey evergreen 16:19 Jordach <- tablet user yep 16:19 PilzAdam every device that cant run Minetest sucks 16:19 reactor PilzAdam: true. 16:20 reactor I mean, PilzAdam++; 16:23 Jordach my tablet can technically play minetest 16:26 * us_0gb tries to explain that his refrigerator does not suck, but is technically a device that cannot run Minetest 16:26 us_0gb My toaster might suck, but on different grounds. 16:26 kaeza "technically" <.< 16:27 us_0gb It is though. Refrigerators are devices. 16:27 kaeza oh that was meant for Jordach 16:27 us_0gb No, it was meant for PilzAdam. 16:27 us_0gb OH! Misread. 16:27 kaeza no, my reply :P 16:27 us_0gb My bad. 16:28 * us_0gb hangs his head and stands in the corner, facing the wall 16:29 kaeza would be interesting to play MT on a fridge though :P 16:29 PilzAdam OldCoder, new worlds? wanna give pilztest a shot? 16:29 OldCoder PilzAdam, Didn't you tell me to take down the last one? If I run one of your worlds, is it going to last? 16:29 * OldCoder has an investment in these things 16:30 PilzAdam pilztest is currently indev 16:30 OldCoder PilzAdam, what types of mods are needed? 16:30 PilzAdam no mods at all, only the pilztest game 16:30 OldCoder But that is mods, right? 16:30 OldCoder A collection of special mods? 16:30 PilzAdam its a subgame, like minetest_game 16:31 OldCoder I should probably understand this once and for all... 16:31 OldCoder A subgame is basically a set of world specific mods and textures; is this correct? 16:31 PilzAdam Minetest is an engine; it runs "games" (or "subgames") that are basically a bunch mods 16:31 OldCoder Yes 16:32 OldCoder So my understanding is correct... 16:32 us_0gb OldCoder: Yes, that is correct. 16:32 OldCoder I presently use about 100 mods. Some are maintained and some are not... 16:32 PilzAdam each world can only have 1 game 16:32 OldCoder Yes 16:32 OldCoder But a "game" is basically just mods 16:32 rubenwardy Hi all 16:32 us_0gb Hello! 16:32 OldCoder rubenwardy, hi. PilzAdam What I did in 2012 was run a bunch of "games"... 16:32 kaeza sup ruben 16:33 OldCoder People tended to wander off and not support the mods. So after my life was disrupted in 2013 it took me about 9 months to resync. I will not be running any more "games" except for very special cases. Just worlds that are compatible with subsets of my 100 mods. 16:33 OldCoder Good luck with PilzTest though 16:34 OldCoder 100 mods ought to be enough :-) 16:34 PilzAdam the problem with your system is that everything is basically the same 16:35 OldCoder Nope... because... 16:35 PilzAdam since it all is based on minetest_game 16:35 OldCoder I have 110 mods (actual approx. number) and will add dozens more. Worlds can select the mods. 16:35 OldCoder How is this different from a central configurable _game ? 16:35 OldCoder This includes textures 16:35 OldCoder I can change textures centrally as well 16:35 reactor OldCoder: o/ 16:35 OldCoder reactor, Hi! 16:36 OldCoder reactor, did you save the paste link which describes Pripyat locations? 16:36 OldCoder I wish to start writing that up today 16:36 PilzAdam maybe you should test pilztest in singleplayer or so; its really a completly different game than minetest_game 16:36 Calinou hi rubenwardy 16:36 PilzAdam mods will never achieve such a change in gameplay 16:36 reactor ftp://mike402.no-ip.bix:65421/pub/minetest/Pripyat/remarks.txt 16:36 reactor Shit. 16:36 reactor ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz:65421/pub/minetest/Pripyat/remarks.txt 16:36 OldCoder PilzAdam, you are mistaken with all due respect because your _game is just a set of mods. Correct? So I could add the mods to my own collection. Is this right? 16:36 reactor My fingers are assholes. 16:37 OldCoder reactor, Your fingers are fumbling friends 16:37 OldCoder Appreciate them; my own are malfunctioning right now 16:37 PilzAdam no, since mods always run on top of a game, which is mt_game in your case 16:37 reactor They are a bunch of frozen sausages. 16:37 reactor I'm freezing in this room. 16:37 OldCoder reactor, warm them up. Bathe them in bacon soup. 16:37 PilzAdam a "game" is way more than a bunch of mods 16:37 PilzAdam it has a goal, and all the parts help to achieve that 16:38 OldCoder PilzAdam, Go on regarding goal 16:38 reactor OldCoder: wrong ling, again. 16:38 reactor ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz:65421/pub/minetest/Pripyat/remarks 16:38 * OldCoder will wait 16:38 OldCoder t y Reviewing 16:39 OldCoder PilzAdam, If you modify clouds (assuming that they are in standard _game) is there no way to force use of your version? Actually there is... won't worldmods do it? 16:39 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi 16:39 PilzAdam OldCoder, when creating a game you have to decided what features you want to add to it; there are no features at all without a game, you have to code it all in the game 16:39 us_0gb Goal or not, a game is in fact a set of modules, though the game now also includes menu artwork and a conf file. 16:39 us_0gb THose same modules could be applied outside the game. 16:39 OldCoder us_0gb, PilzAdam, Yes. Once again... Explain what I cannot achieve by combining world.mt settings and worldmods folder. 16:40 PilzAdam OldCoder, on the other hand a mod always builds upon a game; it builds upon a set of features and changes or adds new features 16:40 * OldCoder is interested 16:40 OldCoder PilzAdam, Example please? 16:40 OldCoder Use clouds as an example perhaps 16:40 OldCoder Didn't you do something like PilzClouds? 16:40 PilzAdam almost all known standalone mods run on top of minetest_game 16:40 OldCoder PilzAdam, Example please? 16:40 OldCoder Use clouds as an example perhaps 16:40 OldCoder us_0gb, PilzAdam, Yes. Once again... Explain what I cannot achieve by combining world.mt settings and worldmods folder. Something specific. 16:40 PilzAdam whats up with these clouds? /me is confused 16:40 us_0gb PilzAdam: default doesn't build on the game, it helps define the game. Yet is is *still a module*. 16:41 PilzAdam us_0gb, of course, default is part of a game; external mods are the ones that build on top of a game 16:42 OldCoder PilzAdam, your time is appreciated. But, again, are you able to indicate something specific I can't do using load_mod settings in world.mt and worldmods folder? 16:42 PilzAdam OldCoder, no matter how you edit the worldmods or what mods you enable or disable, you always run minetest_game 16:42 OldCoder See question above 16:42 OldCoder One last time and thanks 16:42 OldCoder PilzAdam, your time is appreciated. But, again, are you able to indicate something specific I can't do using load_mod settings in world.mt and worldmods folder? 16:42 OldCoder 16:42 us_0gb You are using "mods" as a synonym for "external mods" though in your conversation with OldCoder, when it is not a synonym. 16:43 PilzAdam OldCoder, no matter how you edit the worldmods or what mods you enable or disable, you always run minetest_game 16:43 us_0gb Which is what is causing communication errors. 16:43 PilzAdam when you want to run pilztest, then you dont run minetest_game 16:43 OldCoder PilzAdam, I greatly appreciate your patience. But you have not answered the question. Presently I am not aware of anything significant I can't do. 16:43 us_0gb Except if you *don't* base on minetest_game. A blank game could be used. 16:44 OldCoder Yes 16:44 OldCoder That is one possible long term approach 16:44 PilzAdam ah, you want that kind of example 16:44 PilzAdam "default" in minetest_games registeres ores that pilztest doesnt have; and there is no way to "unregister" these ores 16:44 OldCoder If anybody sees Sapier this weekend tell him I want cows! :-) Hoping for the respawn config parameter 16:45 OldCoder PilzAdam, so I don't need to use default 16:45 PilzAdam there is no way to disable default, though, except using a different game than minetest_game 16:45 OldCoder Exactly 16:45 OldCoder A blank game 16:45 OldCoder Which is then extended using world.mt settings and worldmods 16:45 OldCoder 16:45 PilzAdam well that could work 16:45 * OldCoder sighs 16:45 OldCoder Progress! 16:45 Thorn_ haha 16:45 OldCoder :-) 16:45 OldCoder 16:45 PilzAdam _could_ 16:46 OldCoder Indeed 16:46 us_0gb THe main issue would be inclusion of different defaults in different games. 16:46 us_0gb You'd need /worldmods/ or something. 16:46 OldCoder us_0gb, Yes. PilzAdam, my larger concern is that _game writers wander off. Their worlds then die. I want Mauvebic's world back but where is he? 16:46 PilzAdam technically there are no (known) problems; but as I said earilier "games" should be more than a bunch of mods, they should be well choosen and perfectly fit together 16:46 OldCoder See larger concern above 16:47 OldCoder I do not wish to invest time in _games that will die 16:47 OldCoder 16:47 PilzAdam mods can die too 16:47 OldCoder They can be repaired on an individual basis 16:47 OldCoder And discarded that way too 16:47 OldCoder When a large mess of _game mods goes bad 16:47 reactor OldCoder: btw, remember that font? http://svo.2.staticpublic.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/glasstty/ 16:47 OldCoder The world dies 16:47 OldCoder reactor, R 16:48 OldCoder reactor, Oh yes! 16:48 OldCoder Interesting 16:49 reactor OldCoder: I wonder how the typeface is called. 16:49 reactor It was also used on matrix printers. 16:49 reactor Not exactly the same, but quite similar. 16:49 OldCoder I am attempting to install it now 16:49 reactor I'm not talking about it being striped, but the letter shape itself. 16:50 reactor I would be glad if someone made a version of this font without stripes. 16:50 OldCoder But then it would not be authentic 16:50 OldCoder But yes could be done 16:50 * OldCoder experiments with ttf 16:50 PilzAdam OldCoder, whats the problem with "dead" games? the Minetest API is stable enough so there are no problems running that forever 16:50 reactor I wouldn't care, I like the shape itself, not the stripes. 16:50 reactor I don't know how it can be done in automatic process, though. 16:51 us_0gb PilzAdam: OldCoder was fixing breakages right and left while reviving worlds. 16:51 OldCoder PilzAdam, us_0gb Indeed. But PilzAdam is partly correct... 16:51 OldCoder Only partly 16:51 OldCoder PilzAdam, Built-In caused breakage 16:51 OldCoder IIRC 16:52 OldCoder So Mauvebic world is probably dead. I want those buildings back. 16:52 * OldCoder is not enthusiastic about more fussy _games that will die when authors leave 16:52 OldCoder Again, good luck with PilzTest. And give me some of the mods. I will use them elsewhere. 16:52 PilzAdam you cant 16:52 OldCoder None will work? 16:53 OldCoder All right 16:53 PilzAdam the individual "mods" (I dont really want to call them mods anymore, "modules" may be better) make no sense outside of the game 16:53 OldCoder As you wish 16:53 OldCoder So no PilzClouds shaped like cats? 16:54 PilzAdam what clouds? 16:54 OldCoder No PilzOres that glow in the noonday sun? 16:54 * OldCoder is speculating about possible PilzMods 16:54 OldCoder No PilzFood with German background? 16:54 PilzAdam heh 16:54 OldCoder Oh, well 16:54 OldCoder Ah 16:54 * us_0gb pictures a German flag as the background of the food textures 16:54 OldCoder How about PilzPills medicine? 16:55 OldCoder PilzDrills tools 16:55 us_0gb YES! We need mushroom pills. 16:55 OldCoder PilzThrills amusement park rides 16:55 reactor PilzStone 16:55 OldCoder PilzStone is bad to the bone 16:55 OldCoder ^ U.S. idiom 16:55 PilzAdam Pilztest has 2 major goals: 1) everything is a voxel except tools 2) somewhat challenging survival gameplay 16:56 * us_0gb doesn't get it but is in the States 16:56 OldCoder us_0gb, One moment 16:56 us_0gb No worries. 16:56 reactor Isn't everything there already a voxel? 16:56 reactor Oh... you mean, no items? 16:56 reactor I mean, no objects. 16:56 us_0gb reactor: Stairs, doors, ... 16:56 OldCoder On the day I was born 16:56 OldCoder The nurses all gathered 'round 16:56 OldCoder And they gazed in wide wonder 16:56 OldCoder At the joy they had found 16:56 OldCoder The head nurse spoke up 16:56 OldCoder Said "leave this one alone" 16:56 reactor ?! 16:57 OldCoder us_0gb, ^ 16:57 reactor Pwned. 16:57 OldCoder PilzAdam, the _game is worthwhile. But it *will* break if you don't maintain it. 16:57 OldCoder API may be stable but there are built-in things that will eventually conflict 16:57 us_0gb Is 'Said "leave this one alone"' the last line? It's the last that came through. 16:57 OldCoder Ah 16:57 OldCoder Wait 16:58 OldCoder She could tell right away 16:58 OldCoder That I was bad to the bone 16:58 OldCoder 16:58 OldCoder I broke a thousand hearts 16:58 OldCoder Before I met you 16:58 OldCoder I'll break a thousand more, baby 16:58 OldCoder Before I am through 16:58 OldCoder I wanna be yours pretty baby 16:58 OldCoder Yours and yours alone 16:58 reactor Break on through to the other side 16:58 OldCoder I'm here to tell ya honey 16:58 OldCoder That I'm bad to the bone 16:58 OldCoder 16:58 OldCoder ^ us_0gb Explanation of term 16:59 OldCoder Rather, its origin 16:59 us_0gb An interesting poem. 16:59 OldCoder Song by George Thorogood and the Destroyers 16:59 OldCoder 1982 16:59 us_0gb Ah, music. I'm often outside the loop on that one. 16:59 OldCoder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_to_the_Bone 17:00 OldCoder The TV series "Married with Children" often played the song 17:00 OldCoder 17:09 OldCoder reactor, I can get xterm to run with the Glass VT220 TTF but can't get the green color yet 17:11 OldCoder Hmm; almost... 17:14 reactor OldCoder: I've got it here. 17:14 reactor But I'm not really into green. 17:14 OldCoder reactor, Wait briefly 17:14 reactor I prefer white AAAAAA. 17:14 reactor XTerm draws the font better than RXVT. 17:15 reactor RXVT cuts it from the side, forcing you to increase spacing. 17:15 OldCoder http://minetest.org/vt220.png 17:16 OldCoder reactor, there. Point is not that green is good... 17:16 OldCoder It is an interesting historical recreation 17:16 OldCoder ^ Ancient hacker font 17:16 reactor It is. 17:25 OldCoder reactor, will you be awake a few hours? I am going to wander a bit through Pripyat before I start work 17:26 reactor I can not. 17:26 reactor SOrry. 17:26 reactor s/O/o/ 17:26 OldCoder No need for sorry! 17:26 OldCoder ttys then 17:26 reactor I will be here tomorrow. 17:26 OldCoder All right 17:26 OldCoder I.e. tonight for me 17:26 OldCoder That will be fine 17:26 reactor And I'll probably be still here in an hour. 17:26 harrison i will be awake if that matters. which i very much doubt. 17:26 reactor Because I'm doing some housekeeping now. 17:27 OldCoder harrison, would you like to wander through some worlds? 17:27 OldCoder If you know how to spot problems, that will help 17:27 reactor Can't go to sleep till I satisfie my paranoidal urges. 17:27 reactor s/fie/fy/ 17:27 OldCoder Paranoid Housekeeping? 17:27 OldCoder Sounds like a good magazine 17:27 harrison yes, and no, i don't know what to look for 17:27 OldCoder "Dust and remove those pesky NSA microspies" 17:27 OldCoder harrison, I will edit something and probably go to the worlds in an hour or two 17:28 OldCoder If you are around at the time, you are invited to take a look 17:28 harrison oh, i am confident that the govt knows who i am already 17:28 OldCoder Indeed 17:28 harrison but that, like everyone else, they decided that they don't really care 17:28 OldCoder Very well 17:29 OldCoder Trust me, that can be for the best 17:29 reactor OldCoder: I am the one there who is responsible for electrical stuff. Pretty self-explanatory. 17:29 OldCoder reactor, Hm? Where? Apartment? 17:29 reactor Yep. 17:29 reactor Nobody else gives a fuck. 17:29 harrison hey, my latest film, from oct 31, got hundreds of vies in the last three days. up to 500+ 17:29 harrison views. 17:29 OldCoder reactor, whose blog is this? It is on an Amazon AWS 17:30 reactor idk 17:30 OldCoder Hmm... probably will not last 17:30 OldCoder harrison, I will need to view it 17:30 OldCoder Ah, a Russian blogger 17:30 harrison you already turned your nose up at it, remember? 17:30 OldCoder Not nose 17:30 OldCoder Time; things are difficult ATM 17:30 OldCoder More time this weekend 17:31 OldCoder I don't review many videos, not even clips 17:31 OldCoder harrison, is it on YT? Link? 17:31 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI4IYRT-Msw 17:49 reactor OldCoder:ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz:65421/pub/scr/ 17:49 OldCoder R 17:49 OldCoder What is it? 17:49 OldCoder I will review while you work or sleep; if it remains up 17:49 reactor My new setup with tmux. 17:50 reactor It's not about Pripyat. 17:50 reactor It's about the font. 17:57 OldCoder Ah! 17:57 OldCoder I will review soon thanks 17:57 OldCoder reactor, ^ 17:59 reactor mk; I'll check back right before going to bed 18:05 Fadi is there a way like if you right click the mouse button with the object you're holding yu're able to change the block? 18:05 Fadi for example the philosopher's stone from EE, I'm trying to have some sort of a system like that in minetest 18:38 kaeza Fadi, you can override the target node's on_rightclick and check for the right item 18:38 Fadi aha, thank you 18:47 Fadi if I connect to a modded server will that download the mods? 18:48 Calinou yes 18:48 Fadi sweet 18:50 Sokomine hmm. sweets (that mostly contain sugar) claim to be "vegetarian" - which they apparently where not before as they used gelantine. in what kind of world do we live? *sigh* 18:50 PilzAdam Fadi, no 18:50 PilzAdam it doesnt download the code 18:51 OldCoder Sokomine, shall I restart Calinou world today? 18:51 PilzAdam it downloads only the media (textures, sounds, models) and the node/item definitions 18:51 Fadi well first time I got minetest 18:51 Fadi which was a week ago 18:51 Sokomine you don't have to yet. i still have some work to do (even mt related) and just occasionally chat or peek in 18:51 Fadi I connected to a realtest server which is a modded server 18:51 Fadi afaik 18:52 Fadi felt fine to me back then 18:52 PilzAdam realtest is a differen subgame 18:52 Sokomine realtest does not have terribly much to do with normal mt. if you want to see a richly modded normal mt, better go to the survival server vanessa runs 18:52 Fadi oh 18:52 PilzAdam Sokomine, please, dont mix up Minetest and minetest_game 18:53 PilzAdam realtest has a lot to do with Minetest, since it runs on it (the Minetest engine); it has not much to do with minetest_game, another subgame that runs on the Minetest engine 18:54 Sokomine sorry. but for me, that distinction is a point of view. i usually think of mt as game engine (which the devs call mt) and minetest_game *and* the forum *and* certain mods 19:02 FreeFull Fadi: All mods run on the server, rather than on the client 19:02 FreeFull So mods don't need to get downloaded 19:03 FreeFull Sokomine: Vegetarianism has nothing against sugar. I don't think things being vegetarian necessarily implies them being healthy. 19:04 Sokomine oh, no, the sugar is and was just the main indigrent (it's a sweet after all). but it's not the only indigrent - it used to contain gelantine 19:04 Sokomine ah. gelatin in english 19:06 FreeFull Gelatin comes from animal bones 19:07 Sokomine yes 19:07 Sokomine that's why they advertise now with it beeing without gelatin now 19:07 FreeFull I wonder if they have pectin now 19:11 OldCoder reactor, reviewed the PNGs; it loses something without the green 19:13 Sokomine they use agar-agar now 19:23 reactor OldCoder: idk, there used to be VT-220s with white phosphors. 19:23 reactor Heck, there has even been a colour terminal. 19:23 reactor VT320? VT520? 19:24 OldCoder reactor, I know... but it is a bit dimmer than I remember 19:24 reactor FreeFull: gelatin can also come from human bones. 19:24 reactor So can soap. 19:24 OldCoder Anyway thanks for pointing this out 19:24 OldCoder The colour issue not the soap issue :-) 19:24 reactor Not meant to threaten you, just educate a little bit. 19:24 FreeFull reactor: Humans are animals 19:25 reactor OldCoder: I've always thought normal intensity was AAAAAA. 19:25 reactor FreeFull: they are. 19:25 FreeFull reactor: Which means my point stands, unmodified 19:25 reactor FreeFull: mk. 19:25 reactor My bad. 19:40 harrison back 19:41 harrison OldCoder: is the thing at the place ready? 19:41 OldCoder harrison, yes 19:41 OldCoder harrison, do you use Windows or Linux for MT? 19:41 harrison instruct thy servant 19:41 OldCoder Very well; what is your OS? 19:41 harrison linux lol what am i a slackjawed yokel? 19:42 OldCoder harrison, OK; so it is Windows? 19:42 harrison um, no 19:42 OldCoder Ah! 19:42 harrison linux. 19:42 OldCoder Linux, then 19:42 harrison lol 19:42 OldCoder One moment 19:42 Dan_D Is there any way of using the Hunger mod in a non-laggy way? 19:42 * sfan5 just finished watching Mirai Nikki 19:42 OldCoder Future Nikki? 19:42 harrison do i need a specific client? 19:42 OldCoder harrison, You need (1) a very current client and (2) merge my cache 19:43 harrison very much so. ty john_minetest 19:43 OldCoder Cache is temporary until kahrl finishes httpfetch 19:43 OldCoder One moment 19:43 harrison spasim uses the hyperthreaded cores perfectly 19:43 OldCoder harrison, download: http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-cache-131105.zip 19:43 harrison and the cache behavior seems to be crucial 19:44 OldCoder harrison, unpack that and merge the media folder contents into your own media folder. It should be located at $HOME/.minetest/cache/media 19:44 OldCoder harrison, Indicate when this is done; thanks 19:44 harrison romeo was not bilked in a day 19:45 * OldCoder remembers Sgt. Bilko 19:46 harrison http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/hammond-sentence/ 19:46 harrison i feel safer already 19:49 Dan_D Are there any plans to continue finite water? 19:49 Dan_D Alternatively, is there any mod that does it, that doesn't bug? 19:51 harrison i haz done it 19:52 harrison awaiting moar instructions 19:52 OldCoder harrison, simple... choose one of the following worlds: 19:52 harrison ... 19:53 OldCoder Mjolndir at port 30018 (server minetest.org) - large and complex. But so complex that parts may not load for minutes. 19:53 OldCoder Sokomine, indicate what to do about that sometime ^ 19:53 OldCoder Zegaton at port 30015; existing world 19:53 OldCoder Octuteam at port 30004; existing world 19:53 harrison too much choice 19:53 OldCoder Pripyat at port 30017; interesting new world by reactor here 19:53 harrison tell me which one 19:54 OldCoder OK; one moment 19:54 OldCoder Visit Pripyat and look around but do not build yet. This is a flat world based on a real city and interesting. 19:54 OldCoder Allow 5 to 10 minutes to enter. 19:54 OldCoder Ask reactor here any questions. 19:54 OldCoder I will be back in a few minutes myself. 19:55 OldCoder harrison: server minetest.org port 30017 19:59 OldCoder Back 20:00 Sokomine oldcoder: the world is not so complex i think...it's probably broken :-( give me some time...need to do something else right now 20:01 OldCoder john_minetest, Yes 20:01 OldCoder john_minetest, has been for days 20:15 harrison still item defs 20:27 EvergreenTree Hello Calinou 20:27 Calinou hi :) 20:28 Calinou do you have a bot? :P 20:29 EvergreenTree No 20:29 EvergreenTree :P 20:29 EvergreenTree It would be interesting though 20:32 harrison it is stuck OldCoder 20:32 harrison still loading item defintions 20:33 harrison clouds are streaming past 20:33 OldCoder harrison, that is a bug I need to report to core dev 20:33 OldCoder It seems to stick sometimes on item definitions 20:33 harrison orilly 20:33 OldCoder I will restart the world now 20:33 OldCoder My apologies 20:34 harrison no, this is the useful work we intended 20:34 OldCoder k 20:34 OldCoder Restarted 20:34 OldCoder harrison, please exit and retry once 20:34 OldCoder How long was it stuck? 20:37 harrison ages and ages 20:37 harrison 20 minutes at least 20:38 harrison now this time it is stuck at Media 20:38 harrison and playing some muzak 20:38 OldCoder harrison, It should be OK 20:38 OldCoder Allow 5 to 10 minutes 20:38 OldCoder I will report the Item Definitions thing 20:38 harrison willdo 20:39 EvergreenTree Hey Wuzzy 20:39 Wuzzy hi 20:44 Calinou hi 20:49 OldCoder harrison, Indicate if you eventually get in. You merged the cache, right? If not, it will take 30 minutes. 20:58 Calinou where? 21:08 harrison still loading media ... progress bar up to 3/4 slowly filling 21:16 pitriss please anyone using PA's farming plus? I'm using bit older version and when i plant pumpkin seed, then field under goes dry and suddenly turn into dirt with grass 21:16 PilzAdam pitriss, update the version then 21:18 pitriss hmm hmm I tried latest but that code to generate plants is terrible.. I don't like vegetables growing everywhere, hills full of pumpkins etc:D 21:18 PilzAdam direct your shitstorm at VanessaE then 21:28 harrison OldCoder: the world has appeared 21:28 OldCoder WHoa 21:28 OldCoder harrison, are you sure the cache was merged? 21:28 OldCoder Should not have taken so long 21:28 OldCoder But see if it works now 21:28 * OldCoder will return in a few minutes 21:28 OldCoder Thank you harrison for your time 21:29 harrison well, idk when it appeared because i was in #gnu 21:29 OldCoder Ah 21:29 OldCoder Look around a bit 21:29 harrison it it very fancy. 21:29 harrison buildings 21:30 harrison perhaps secondlifesque if that is allowed 21:30 harrison to be said 21:30 harrison can one fly? 21:33 harrison i left to check my setting and am logging in again 21:38 stormchaser3000 hi 21:43 OldCoder harrison, I will give you fly 21:43 OldCoder harrison, Indicate if you are still here. If so, you shall fly. 21:43 Fadi he's more of a car on the ground guy 21:44 Fadi I heard he drives a ford 21:45 OldCoder Harrison Ford 21:45 * OldCoder is very very literal but he gets the joke :P 21:45 Fadi finally someone got it 21:45 harrison where else am i going to go? 21:45 Fadi lol 21:45 OldCoder harrison, wait then; I am coming 21:46 OldCoder harrison, I have reported the item definitions issue and will repeat it periodically 21:50 stormchaser3000 i hot it emediatly 21:51 OldCoder stormchaser3000, k 21:51 OldCoder harrison, I am stuck on item definitions too for the moment 21:51 stormchaser3000 got* 21:51 stormchaser3000 sorry i make a lot of typos 21:52 stormchaser3000 what server are you guys on 21:52 harrison i am used to ejection and other abuses so go ahead 21:54 OldCoder harrison, Heh 21:54 OldCoder harrison, It is fine 21:54 OldCoder harrison, I am coming and you shall fly 21:54 OldCoder Allow a few more minutes 21:54 OldCoder harrison, what nick are you using in-game? 21:56 OldCoder harrison, indicate nick that I may provide fly 21:56 harrison harrison obv 21:56 harrison i am the same in all possible worlds 21:56 harrison that is what makes me so special 21:56 OldCoder harrison, you have fly and fast and sure we are trans-multiverse etc. 21:56 OldCoder Archie Comics had this recently :-) 22:16 harrison 30018 works but i fell into a cavern and was stuck so i quit 22:17 OldCoder Ah 22:17 OldCoder harrison, k t y 22:17 OldCoder kaeza, did you say that Pripyat had falling gravel or was that Mjolnir? 22:17 kaeza ? 22:17 kaeza not me 22:19 OldCoder kaeza, Sure? Thought it was you who offered to fix it 22:20 harrison btc (mtgox weighted average) $451 !!!! woo hoos! 22:44 harrison why do anarchists drink herbal tea? 22:44 harrison because all proper tea is theft 22:56 EvergreenTree \o 22:57 EvergreenTree My wireless derped on me, and I had to go reset the router 22:57 kaeza I know that feel bro 23:04 Sonic_ Hello 23:05 kaeza hi 23:05 Pentium44 VanessaE, are you here? 23:05 VanessaE kaeza: your wireless is perpetually derped ;) 23:06 VanessaE hi 23:06 Sonic-Minetest I hate the Guest autochange 23:06 Pentium44 hello 23:06 Pentium44 what are the variables for building minetest with curl so server lists work? 23:06 VanessaE it just works. 23:06 Pentium44 oh, thats nice 23:06 Pentium44 ok, thank you 23:06 VanessaE if cURL and its development files are installed, it'll find it automatically when you cmake 23:07 kaeza VanessaE, yup :< 23:07 Pentium44 ok, this is good information ti know 23:07 Pentium44 to* 23:07 Pentium44 hi kaeza o/ 23:07 kaeza Pentium44, \o 23:10 Pentium44 starting my minetest server back up 23:10 Pentium44 I got a new vps from Thalheim because I had $40 dollars 23:11 kaeza nice 23:12 Pentium44 bbl 23:13 VanessaE sooner or later I'll move my servers to a VPS, once someone can point me to one that's cheap and doesn't have too many rules about what one can run, or how much CPU/RAM/etc can be used, etc etc etc etc 23:14 OldCoder VanessaE, EC2 free for a year then pricey 23:14 OldCoder Pentium44, ahem 23:14 VanessaE define "pricey" 23:14 OldCoder VanessaE, ranges from $30 to $120 depending on CPU RAM and static IP 23:14 OldCoder I think Linode is better 23:14 VanessaE per month? 23:14 OldCoder Yes 23:14 VanessaE eek 23:14 OldCoder Amazon is cheap if managed but they nickel and dime you 23:15 OldCoder It is very annoying 23:16 VanessaE Linode eh? 23:16 * VanessaE looks into it 23:16 Pentium44 OldCoder, hello 23:16 Pentium44 Linode is good 23:17 Pentium44 darkrose uses linode for her minetest-classic servers 23:17 Pentium44 this vps is eating itself while minetest compiles :P 23:18 Pentium44 its been so long sense I have been here 23:20 Pentium44 eek, how is this mobile minetest thing still around??? its invalidating the LGPL 23:24 iqualfragile Pentium44: mobile minetest thing? 23:25 kaeza the Android port 23:25 Pentium44 the minetest app that someone made for android 23:25 Pentium44 kaeza, no thats open source 23:25 Pentium44 let me try to find iton the forum 23:30 Pentium44 I think the topic was removed 23:30 Pentium44 it was called buildcraft or something 23:35 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7560 23:36 Pentium44 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7560 23:36 Pentium44 yes 23:37 iqualfragile http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/index.php go start a petition, this should be the default homepage 23:39 Pentium44 it should 23:39 Pentium44 This is really nice compared to what it is right now 23:39 Pentium44 I like the first one tho: http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/ 23:43 EvergreenTree iqualfragile, It really should, that looks amazing 23:44 EvergreenTree Much better web design then thecurrent one 23:47 Pentium44 yeah, why use DukoWiki, c'mon 23:51 Pentium44 hue 23:51 Pentium44 testing my server on a host1free vps 23:51 Pentium44 so much fun