Time Nick Message 00:06 NakedFury exio4 I need 4 more billions for my second space mule 00:07 NakedFury doing 785million per second and manually 1.5 billion 00:07 Exio4 151,099,426,950,256 00:08 Exio4 my cash atm ^ 00:08 NakedFury I hate you 00:08 Exio4 >:3 00:08 NakedFury :| 00:08 Exio4 my 12th space mule is 470billion tho 00:08 kaeza s/cash/cookies/ 00:08 NakedFury why do you have 6k dealers? 00:08 Exio4 because economics in a future 00:09 Exio4 the game will allow the change of the buildings, when selling them, to vary 00:09 Exio4 == i could actually get a lot of money from them and they are doing nothing there :P 00:10 NakedFury I need to buy Pinky Genetics to unlock more upgrades but I want to reach the billion per second goal 00:13 NakedFury do you have a macro to click? 00:13 Exio4 no 00:13 Exio4 but i always bought in early states first the distributors 00:13 Exio4 and i abused the click 00:14 Exio4 the only things that i 'cheated' with clicks are the hell lot of dealers and so 00:15 NakedFury so you plan to wait a little then sell them at higher prices. I didnt understand your reason ^^ 00:16 NakedFury do you think the game will stop doing DEA raids if I only have space labs and space distributors 00:16 NakedFury ? 00:16 Exio4 i don't think so 00:16 NakedFury I mean you have 46k negative chance and you still get raided 00:17 NakedFury the money to keep buying dealers rises too fast 00:18 Exio4 lol 00:18 Exio4 they are 700m each 00:18 Exio4 or so 00:19 NakedFury I have zero right now and price is $20. When I started playing they were cheaper. 00:19 NakedFury 20 first, 80 second, 180 third, etc 00:20 NakedFury ok I did it. second space mule 00:20 NakedFury next goal pinky genetics 00:20 Exio4 var cst = ((scl.amount) * scl.base_cost) * (scl.amount); 00:20 Exio4 if(scl.amount > 10) { 00:20 Exio4 cst *= 2; 00:20 Exio4 from the code 00:22 Evergreen Heyo 00:22 NakedFury hey 00:22 NakedFury ok now I do: $1,485,535,625 per second 00:22 NakedFury don show me yours 00:22 NakedFury gonna make me jealous 00:23 NakedFury e 00:23 Exio4 haha 00:23 Exio4 my goal is 50bn/s 00:23 Exio4 the game gets boring in this part though 00:23 NakedFury the meth o matic used to do more 00:24 Exio4 also 00:24 Exio4 i got a hell lot of meth and cash in uber-early stages of the game 00:24 Exio4 where the shit was less balanced and you could get a lot of mesh in a single night 00:25 NakedFury I stated playing in Alpha 00:25 NakedFury let me find version number 00:25 Exio4 wat. 00:25 Exio4 you played in that early stage and you didn't get over 913424582459345734534534534534$/s? 00:25 NakedFury no 00:26 NakedFury ok found it. Version 0.4 00:27 NakedFury ohh unlocked the last manufacturing and distribution 00:27 NakedFury Heisenbelt has an incredible description 00:27 Exio4 same here, version 0.4 00:29 NakedFury ok bought the upgrades 00:29 NakedFury ohh wait I had 2 more earlier to buy 00:29 NakedFury Shed Propane and Dealer Slacks 00:30 NakedFury ohh 00:30 NakedFury im done with them 00:31 Exio4 i always cheated with the updates though 00:31 NakedFury how? 00:32 Exio4 when i saw "distributors are gonna get expensive" 00:32 Exio4 bought distributors before f5 00:32 Exio4 and so on 00:32 Exio4 :P 00:32 * Exio4 is a bad player 00:33 NakedFury f5? 00:33 Exio4 refresh page 01:00 Dark_Soul does anyone have the turrent mod for the technic mod i cant find it 01:01 NakedFury 2 more headshots 01:01 NakedFury no dark, never knew we had such a mod 01:02 Dark_Soul i thought we did 01:02 Dark_Soul i have one by cornernote but it shots the placer 01:03 Dark_Soul and i have tryed to make it not shot the placer but i cant seem to make it work 01:04 ShadowNinja Dark_Soul: I know of no thereby mod in technic, currently or in the past. 01:04 Dark_Soul hmm 01:05 Dark_Soul well if i post the init.lua in pastebin is it possible for you to show me how to make it not shout the placer? 01:06 Dark_Soul shoot* 01:08 ShadowNinja Dark_Soul: I can't right now. 01:08 Dark_Soul ok :/ 03:08 dafull97 Hello all, i have a Idea.... 03:33 paramat hmmmm, hiya :] in case you haven't seen this post ... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6396&p=2 03:35 hmmmm err.. 03:35 hmmmm nobody really iterates through data in that order, that's kind of weird 03:35 hmmmm if I were to add that, it'd be specifically for you and you alone 03:35 hmmmm if you're that serious about speed, you ought to re-write your mapgen in the core 03:41 paramat no problem i did think it was a long shot to ask heh :) 03:44 paramat however working through noise data column by column seems optimum for generating biomes ... ? biome selection is therefore run once per column 03:45 hmmmm the reason why my noise is in XYZ order is because that's the order of mapblocks 03:45 hmmmm like you just pointed out, that's not really the best way 03:45 hmmmm minecraft has a YXZ order for example which makes way more sense 03:45 hmmmm you iterate downward more than anything else 03:48 paramat okay thanks 04:02 NakedFury Exio4: new meth update 04:03 us_0gb Meth? As in methamphetamines? 04:03 * us_0gb is confused 04:03 NakedFury from this game: http://clickingbad.tumblr.com/ 04:03 NakedFury breaking bad joke game 04:04 us_0gb Ah, okay. My coworkers explained what that show is about to me the other day. 04:06 paramat hmmmm, in case of confusion, when i write 'XZY-reversed order' in my post my terminology is the reverse of yours. to be clear i'm asking for a column by column order, iterating either up or down, i realise down is probably weird :) 04:09 hmmmm ah 04:15 paramat the code i posted looks weird to me now :/ instead perhaps i should make nvals a non-flat 3d map and simply extract the noise values using an (x,y,z) index (however that is done), no 2nd voxelarea needed 04:26 paramat ... okay proper terminology for standard is [z [y [x]]], so a column by column order would be [x [z [y]]] or [z [x [y]]]. thanks for your time :) 05:08 ydooW hi, could anybody help me please? 05:09 ydooW is it possible to change the on-screen size of cubes in minetest? 05:09 us_0gb I do not believe it is. Sorry. 05:09 ydooW not even at the sources level? 05:10 us_0gb At the sources level, everything is possible. 05:10 ydooW i want to increase screen resolution so that i see more cubes on the screen, not so that they get bigger 05:10 ydooW is there any other way? 05:10 ydooW i tried to experiment with field of view, but that didn't help 05:10 us_0gb Besides editing the source code? I don't think so. 05:11 ydooW i'm not aware of the source structure, would that be in lua part or C part? 05:13 us_0gb The C++ part. The Lua is more for customization of worlds. The client is fully in C++, as far as I know. 05:15 ydooW oh, i didn't realise that that should be a client-side change 05:15 ydooW thanks 05:16 us_0gb Yeah, it would be, as it doesn't effect the world, but how you view it. 05:17 ydooW thanks a lot, i'll try to investigate the sources, this doesn't seem to be too difficult 05:17 us_0gb Okay, best of luck! 05:19 NakedFury you want to change the 1 meter cubes to some other size? 05:23 ydooW i want to see more cubes on the screen when i maximize the window 05:24 ydooW can that be controlled by changing 1meter size to something smaller? 05:26 kaeza I don't think that would have a nice effect 05:27 ydooW do you mean that would essentialy make it more like lego? 05:27 ydooW like with smaller cubes 05:28 kaeza no I mean it involves changing the field of view, or the camera position 05:28 kaeza that will somewhat distort the image 05:28 ydooW i tried to play with just the field of view 05:28 ydooW that really distorted things 05:29 ydooW so i thought maybe changing the cubes sizes can somewhat compensate that 05:32 ydooW i found #define BS (10.0) in constants.h - it's commented as "size of node". does that mean cube size? 05:32 us_0gb The cubes are called nodes, so maybe. 05:32 kaeza eh no 05:33 kaeza BS is used for all kind of calculations AFAIK 05:33 kaeza even stuff that's stored on disk 05:33 ydooW i just found it used in the calculation of the position of the camera 05:33 ydooW like BS*1.6.. 05:33 ydooW looks like the height of the player 05:33 kaeza changing it esentially makes your client incompatible 05:34 us_0gb Oh, that sounds unpleasant. 05:35 ydooW you mean the change must be closer to the screen routines? 05:36 kaeza grep '\bBS\b' -R src/ 05:36 ydooW yeah, just looking through the list 05:36 ydooW of matches 05:37 kaeza just try! 05:37 ydooW to change it? 05:37 kaeza and get us a screenie of the result :P 05:38 us_0gb Might as well. The worst that will happen is a broken build. 05:38 kaeza (I make no guarantees to the integrity of your harddisk, computer, dog, cat, or anything else though) 05:38 ydooW might require some time to set up the build environment, never done that for minetest 05:39 ydooW will it run in a MV? 05:39 ydooW VM 05:39 kaeza why not? 05:39 us_0gb I think I read about someone running it in a virtual machine. 05:40 us_0gb Mouse control was difficult because of how the virtualization software handled mouse input, but all else was well. 05:40 ydooW i was worried about possible performance issues, but for a single frame that shouldn't be a big deal;o) 05:42 ydooW i will probably need to install irrlich 05:42 ydooW t 05:45 NakedFury http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Cube-World-Castle-Raiders-Trailer_2.jpg 05:47 NakedFury changing or making a above shoulder type camera will help see more nodes(cubes) in the game 05:47 NakedFury also changing their size will help like in that image link 05:48 NakedFury thats another game but it also uses cubes like in MT and minecraft 05:48 ydooW that's what i was imagining 05:48 ydooW i think i saw someone playing it 05:48 ydooW but why would above-shoulder camera help? 05:49 NakedFury it wouldnt. it would just let you see more of the world. thought that could also help you 05:50 ydooW do you mean further by saying "more"? 05:50 ydooW that wouldn't increase number of horizontal blocks, would it? 05:51 ydooW i mean on the axis of left to right 05:53 NakedFury well it would make you view the game from some meters behind the character so if before in first person view you could see 3 nodes at a distance then now you can perhaps see 4 or 5. its just messing with the view. 05:53 NakedFury changing the sizes will help you see more nodes in vertical and horizontal. 05:56 ydooW damn, forgot about openal... 05:56 ydooW just give me a bit more time 05:59 NakedFury that will change the game from how its normally played. instead of three nodes tall minimum for a house you will need 6 if you decreased size by half, etc. It might be fun that way too. 06:00 ydooW i thought that would decrease the player size as well 06:02 NakedFury player size is separate 06:02 NakedFury I think. 06:03 ydooW getEyeOffset uses BS*1.5 06:03 ydooW so changing BS will definitely affect that 06:03 ydooW nor sure if there is something else 06:03 ydooW nor=nto 06:03 ydooW not 06:15 ydooW i changed the BS to 2.0 from 10.0, and don't really see any difference 06:15 ydooW apart from it refusing to open the old world 06:15 ydooW so it is incompatible indeed 06:15 ydooW but when i generated a new worlds - it just looks the same 06:17 kaeza that's because everything is multiplied by BS 06:17 ydooW but it is then scaled back according to the window size 06:18 kaeza I guess you should look around src/camera.cpp:358 06:19 ydooW that's where i am now... 06:20 ydooW somewhere near aspect ratio and FOV 06:21 kaeza what you want is not possible, or just not have the desired effect 06:21 kaeza it's not like a 2D tile mapping engine where you would just draw the tiles smaller 06:22 ydooW that's 3d, which is even more flexible 06:22 kaeza as NakedFury said, you'd have to adjust the camera pos, but that would have unintended side-effects 06:22 ydooW it looks like they did it somehow one the screenshot provided by NakedFury 06:23 kaeza yes, but in that case it's not first person view 06:24 NakedFury if the camera is change to Over the shoulder or Third person View it can cause problems in tight spaces, caves, etc 06:24 ydooW ah, you mean if i essentially take camera miles behind - everything will become small? 06:24 kaeza if you look that screenshot, the camera is way high up 06:25 ydooW but even in the game on the screenshot i don't think the number of cubes is automatically adjusted when the window size is changed 06:35 khonkhortisan the less square your window is the worse the perspective is 06:36 ydooW but can't you compensate that by putting appropriate horizontal/vertical amount of cubes to match the aspect ratio? 06:39 khonkhortisan there's only one number for Field of Vision, which is then spread out across the dimensions 06:40 ydooW you mean having two separate field of visions for horizontal and vertical dimensions would fix that? 06:41 kaeza that's not how it works 06:42 kaeza there are only two ways of achieving what you want: either move the camera back, or increase the FOV 06:42 NakedFury Field of View will let you see more 06:42 kaeza none of them is particularly nice 06:43 NakedFury http://roi.webfactional.com/img/so/fieldOfView.gif 06:43 NakedFury an example 06:44 ydooW can increasing both window size and FOV fit more cubes on the screen? 06:47 ydooW or should it be curved as well to compensate fisheye effect? 07:19 khonkhortisan I use 120FOV 07:20 ydooW and what's the window size you use? 07:21 khonkhortisan maximized inside 1440x900 07:22 ydooW i just tried increasing the player height 07:22 khonkhortisan I'm not close enough to my screen for the angle to be correct 07:22 ydooW looks a bit closer to what i wanted 07:23 ydooW not quite good enough 07:30 ydooW i wonder if it is possible to survive FOV=360... 07:33 ydooW couldn't make that work in minetest, but some people could do that in real world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr8P0rel6Vw 07:36 ydooW found a place in minetest where the fov is limited to 170 degrees 07:38 khonkhortisan In bzflag it's not limited, but 360 and 180 break it, anything over 180 is upside-down, and anything too high (just below 120) lets you see through walls that are beside/above you 07:39 NakedFury player character size is different from player view height, so the devs tell me. So if you change the size of the character, something like 1.5 meters then you have to change the player camera to match 07:39 ydooW i changed both size and eye offset 07:39 NakedFury ohhh to how much? 07:39 ydooW so i was feeling like a long thing enderman;o) 07:39 NakedFury and if you have the skills would it be hard to make that into Lua code too? 07:39 ydooW high, but narrow 07:40 khonkhortisan I'd like to see a game that allowed a 360fov without virtual reality equipment in a way that didn't break 07:40 ydooW you mean make player height adjustible from lua? 07:40 ydooW the youtube video i found is a nice example 07:40 ydooW they use cylinder projection 07:41 NakedFury if such a thing is possible it would allow for more game types. like the Dwarf mode a user in forum was trying 07:41 ydooW which is a bit different, so it will probably require changes to the irrlicht 07:41 NakedFury or taller people, etc 07:41 ydooW i think dwarf mode is useless without decreasing the size of blocks as well 07:42 ydooW because you'll break huge block with the same effort 07:42 ydooW but a giant mode might be interesting 07:42 ydooW the only problem is that becoming taller means you can't break cubes under your feet. they will be out of reach 07:43 NakedFury dwarf mode can be something like 1.25 or just a little over 1 meter. smaller would be Gnomes or Hobbits or Halflings 07:43 NakedFury also brake time is already configurable in lua so it can be changed too 07:43 NakedFury a giant would be cool too 07:44 NakedFury but such a mode would need a special new breaking method so he takes many nodes at once 07:44 ydooW yeah, breaking many nodes at once might make it usable 07:45 NakedFury also depends on how big is the giant. 07:46 NakedFury mny possibilities 07:47 ydooW is it currently possible to change anything player-related from lua? 07:47 ydooW i need a starting point 07:47 NakedFury skins 07:47 NakedFury but I think 3d model, view point, height is all done in source 07:48 ydooW view point and height definitely are 07:49 kaeza 3d model is also configurable via Lua 07:49 kaeza see minetest_game/mods/player.lua 07:50 NakedFury I dont know if there is a player width too in source 07:50 NakedFury there must be 07:50 ydooW there is 07:50 NakedFury that has to be changed too 07:50 ydooW but not explicitly 07:50 ydooW that will pose more problems 07:51 NakedFury so you can have 2 node fat characters, etc 07:51 kaeza err... mods/default/player.lua 07:51 NakedFury well I just mention it for the Giant idea 07:52 ydooW the next step would be to add size-changing mushrooms;o) 07:52 NakedFury Alice in Wonderland reference 07:53 NakedFury been watching Once Upon a Time in Wonderland 07:54 ydooW then it would be nice to adjust jumping height as well 07:55 NakedFury Camera height, player height, width, arm reach. 07:55 NakedFury adjusting gravity can affect jumping 07:55 NakedFury and I think that was already in lua 07:56 ydooW that notion of having player-based gravity is a bit strange 07:56 ydooW gravity should be the same in the world 07:57 ydooW perhaps adding mass and jump force can be a solution 07:57 NakedFury well player jump and player speed can be changed but in source 07:58 kaeza player speed can also be changed in Lua 07:58 NakedFury the player normal walking speed? 07:58 kaeza yep 07:58 kaeza player:set_physics_override() 07:59 kaeza try PilzTest; it makes you slower the more hungry you are 08:14 ydooW yes, something like that physics override can be implemented for height 08:17 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Mole Day! :-D 08:25 ydooW that's a nice comparison of FoVs: http://strlen.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/compare.html 08:26 ydooW fisheye is the answer... 08:43 sfan5 hi everyone 08:48 kaeza hi 09:06 nore hi sfan5 09:52 germa hi to all 09:53 VanessaE hi 09:53 germa sorry... im the man of questions :) i try to install texture... but... why i find only minetest.conf.example and no minetest.config? 09:53 germa hi vanessae 09:54 germa you make texture :) you are a vip! 09:54 VanessaE by default, minetest.conf doesn't exist -- until you start the game once 09:54 VanessaE and then it'll be in the minetest folder, or in ~/.minetest 09:54 VanessaE me, a vip? heh. hardly. 09:55 germa yes,,, i can't find... 09:55 germa mmm 09:55 VanessaE what is the path of your minetest folder? 09:55 germa don 09:56 germa ops 09:56 germa i cant write the path 09:56 germa ahah 09:56 VanessaE ah write permission would help. 09:56 VanessaE where is the folder? 09:56 germa slash home slash andrea slash minetest 09:56 VanessaE ok 09:56 VanessaE this is a run-in-place build? 09:57 germa yes 09:57 VanessaE (btw, start with two slashes when you write it in IRC and it'll usually make it through) 09:57 VanessaE ok 09:57 germa thanks 09:58 VanessaE can you: ls -lda /home/andrea/minetest 09:59 germa and now? i have the permission? 09:59 VanessaE it should output a single line - paste it here 10:00 germa drwxrwxr-x 19 andrea andrea 4096 ott 23 11:50 /home/andrea/minetest 10:00 VanessaE ok, that looks fine 10:01 VanessaE now do, ls -la /home/andrea/minetest (without the 'd') 10:01 VanessaE and go to pastebin.com to paste the result 10:01 VanessaE it'll be several lines 10:02 germa sorry i don't want take your time... http://pastebin.com/a9TNijya 10:02 VanessaE it's okay 10:02 VanessaE I got somewhere else to be? ;) 10:02 VanessaE ok that all looks right 10:02 VanessaE how do you start minetest? 10:03 germa ahah thank you 10:03 VanessaE I mean, the exact command 10:03 germa i start from bin folder 10:04 VanessaE the exact command? 10:04 germa i double click in the executable minetest file :) 10:04 VanessaE ok 10:05 VanessaE try this: cd /home/andrea/minetest ; bin/minetest 10:05 VanessaE copy&paste that to a terminal 10:05 VanessaE then close the game and check the folder again, see if it creates the config this tim,e 10:06 germa no 10:06 VanessaE ok, now: 10:06 VanessaE open CMakeCache.txt in an editor such as mousepad, gedit, or whatever you have handy 10:07 germa yes, open 10:07 VanessaE search the document for, RUN_IN_PLACE 10:07 germa RUN_IN_PLACE:BOOL=0 10:07 VanessaE AH! 10:08 VanessaE that's the problem. 10:08 VanessaE your config is not going to be in that folder. 10:08 germa WRITE 1? 10:08 VanessaE it's gonna be in ~/.minetest <-- note the dot 10:08 pitriss germa: in your case is your config in ~/.minetest 10:08 VanessaE beat you to id, pitriss :) 10:08 germa yes... i don't have the folder with dot 10:08 VanessaE germa: it won't show up by default 10:08 VanessaE the leading dot should hide it 10:09 VanessaE try, ls -la ~/.minetest 10:09 VanessaE also: 10:09 germa oh yes 10:09 VanessaE this is not a run-in-place build 10:09 VanessaE you have to `make install` to proprly install it 10:09 germa wait... i don't unistall minetest from repisitory 10:09 VanessaE OR you can rebuild with that flag set to 1 ( cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 ) 10:10 VanessaE how did you obtain this build? 10:10 pitriss VanessaE: or he should recompile with run_in_place:) 10:10 pitriss hehe im slow today:D 10:10 VanessaE pitriss: beat you to it again ;) 10:10 germa from here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 10:10 VanessaE ah. 10:10 VanessaE you must have used the non-portable link 10:11 germa yes 10:11 VanessaE his link is wrong. 10:11 germa i used that 10:11 VanessaE just cd to the minetest folder and do, make install 10:11 VanessaE then run minetest without any path. just type minetest. 10:12 germa the folder andrea ecc... 10:12 VanessaE yes 10:12 VanessaE cd /home/andrea/minetest ; make install 10:12 VanessaE OR 10:12 VanessaE you can rebuild it as run-in-place: 10:13 VanessaE cd /home/andrea/minetest ; cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 ; make 10:13 VanessaE and then run it like you usually do. 10:13 VanessaE either way will work, it just depends on your preference. 10:13 germa oh i try the second drun in place 10:13 VanessaE ok 10:13 VanessaE it will take a couple minutes to recompile 10:14 germa i have nothing to do 10:14 VanessaE ok 10:14 germa start 10:15 VanessaE yep, if the build finished without error, start it like you usually do. 10:15 VanessaE then exit and check the folder. 10:15 germa yes... 10:15 VanessaE did it create the new config file? 10:16 germa i'm on 13% 10:16 VanessaE oh ok 10:16 VanessaE pray. ;) 10:16 germa eheh 10:17 germa thank you again 10:17 VanessaE you're welcome, hope this works 10:17 germa yes,,, in other case don't install texture :) 10:18 VanessaE admittedly if this doesn't work, it would make it a little harder to do ;) 10:18 germa and i can't 10:19 VanessaE ? 10:19 germa I can't do harder solutions, im not good user 10:19 VanessaE you'll learn 10:19 germa yes... wannabe 10:19 VanessaE the fact that you're using Linux is a god step. 10:20 germa yes, i like it 10:20 VanessaE er good steop 10:20 germa but i need to study 10:20 VanessaE *sigh* 10:20 VanessaE I can't type at all today 10:21 germa ahah 10:21 germa mystic 10:21 germa but i read "good" 10:21 VanessaE right 10:22 VanessaE *waits* *hopes* 10:23 germa ahah 10:23 germa i see 10:23 germa oh finish 10:23 VanessaE ok 10:23 VanessaE bin/minetest 10:23 VanessaE without a leading slash. 10:26 VanessaE did it work? 10:26 germa oh wow! work... i see the texture in game... but now try to "reinstall" 10:26 VanessaE yay! 10:26 germa thank you! 10:26 germa ops... leaving 10:27 VanessaE oops 10:27 VanessaE naw, typo 10:27 VanessaE wrong key 10:27 germa thank you! 10:27 germa ahah 10:27 VanessaE anyways, no need to 'reinstall'\ 10:27 VanessaE all your stuff is still there 10:27 VanessaE you have a minetest.conf now? 10:28 germa no ahah 10:28 VanessaE wha? 10:28 VanessaE maybe you need to change some random setting in the game first 10:28 germa ah ok 10:28 VanessaE try going to the 'settings' tab and, oh, turn off fancy leaves let's say 10:29 VanessaE then exit the game and check the folder again 10:29 VanessaE hey Taoki 10:30 germa yes.. now have the minetest.conf file 10:30 VanessaE yay!!!! 10:30 germa big vanessae! 10:30 germa yee 10:30 VanessaE now you can play normally (feel free to turn that checkbox back on if you want, by the way) 10:31 VanessaE ok since you're up and running, I'm gonna head off. I'll be back on some time later today 10:31 VanessaE good luck and have fun :-) 10:32 VanessaE kaeza: I'll pull that later. too tired to mess with it. :-) 10:32 germa thank you very much again Vanessae 10:32 VanessaE you're quite welcome 10:32 VanessaE night 10:33 kaeza VanessaE, sure :) 10:33 kaeza nite 10:42 germa yeee i have the texture... i have to copy files in texture/all now i can try to make zelda texture! ahah 12:11 nore ShadowBot has quit (Excess Flood) <-- wtf? 12:13 reactor Flood bot. 12:14 nore nope, usually ShadowBot bans people for excess flood 12:14 ShadowNinja nore: A plugin used sendMsg instead of queueMsg too much. 12:14 nore ShadowNinja, how is ShadowBot programmed? 12:14 ShadowNinja nore: I am yelling at the developer now. 12:14 nore have you the source? 12:15 ShadowNinja nore: Yes, it is a Limnoria bot. 14:29 thexyz > Not being able to program is the illiteracy of this century. 14:30 nore where did you see that? 14:30 thexyz hn 14:31 thexyz https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6598361 14:38 kaeza dat BS 14:50 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 14:50 nore hi 15:02 Jordach good afternoon MinetestBot 15:02 Jordach 15:06 MinetestBot Somebody thinks you should read the manual. 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Next! 15:06 Jordach silly MinetestBot 15:07 PilzAdam yay! more bot spamming! 15:09 kaeza a !pil command would be nice too 15:09 kaeza just in case :P 15:09 kaeza ( http://lua.org/pil/ ) 15:10 PilzAdam and !pilz, to ping me 15:11 PilzAdam (or, with a 50% chance get a free beer ;-)) 15:20 Jordach kaeza, i might be able to do that 15:21 Jordach essentially: if MSG == "!pil": chan.send("Someone thinks you need to read the Lua manual.") 15:22 * Jordach learned a neat trick for nocookie 15:25 Jordach it allows me to avoid having to enable cookies for every tab 15:25 Jordach (that stupid EU bullshit about allowing cookies) 15:32 Jordach sfan5, https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/commit/fd1a0ea78b261f2ff90823f676f4515e32e4e8ae 15:33 Jordach phew -- didnt fuck that up first try 15:33 Jordach (that's a first!) 15:33 sfan5 hm 15:34 sfan5 Jordach: add it to COMMANDS.md 15:34 Jordach SHIT; KNEW IT 15:35 sfan5 I just got a new TV with WiFi 15:35 sfan5 lets portscan it 15:35 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/commit/e6873e3f44e75c7bcf63303a27c896d2dfc70079 15:38 kaeza !questions 15:38 MinetestBot Someone thinks that your question is inaccurate or doesn't follow the guidelines. Read here how to make it right: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 15:38 sfan5 Jordach: formatting pls 15:38 sfan5 do you see how every line is lined up 15:38 markveidemanis Hi 15:38 sfan5 make a shorter description 15:38 sfan5 !op 15:39 sfan5 !deop 15:39 markveidemanis 5.81.157.109:30010 is run on a kindle and has all the mods i am going to put on then proper server 15:40 Jordach fixed 15:40 Jordach sfan5, ^ 15:40 Jordach i also lined up the breaks and shit just because the others are 15:41 Jordach Merged #5. 15:41 Jordach :D 15:41 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload shortutils 15:41 MinetestBot sfan5: (version: 2013-09-28 06:59:34) 15:41 Jordach !pil 15:41 sfan5 oh 15:41 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload shortutils 15:41 MinetestBot sfan5: (version: 2013-10-23 15:41:43) 15:41 Jordach !pil 15:41 MinetestBot Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 15:41 Jordach woot 15:42 Jordach kaeza, ^^^ 15:42 kaeza :D 15:42 PilzAdam !pil Jordach 15:42 MinetestBot Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 15:42 PilzAdam !pil kaeza 15:42 MinetestBot Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 15:42 PilzAdam !pil sfan5 15:42 MinetestBot Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 15:42 PilzAdam she should say that to everyone automatically 15:42 sfan5 PilzAdam: do you always need to take that way.. 15:42 Dan_D How do I use the file hostin gthing on the forum? 15:43 sfan5 Dan_D: is it really that hard? 15:43 kaeza yay! more bot spamming! 15:43 Dan_D I don't know what the bbcode is 15:43 Dan_D The boxshowing downloads etc 15:43 sfan5 Jordach: note for future pulls: I can reload an existing module at runtime, but not add new ones at runtine 15:43 Jordach sfan5, noted 15:43 Jordach (that's probably why I added it to shortutils.py) 15:44 sfan5 it fit perfectly into shortutils 15:44 sfan5 !seen already has 74 people in its DB 15:44 germa hi! 15:45 sfan5 hi 15:45 germa suggest mods? 15:45 Dan_D I can add files, but can't work out how to show them in the actual box. 15:46 sfan5 germa: http://minetest.net/mods 15:46 Dan_D Hello? Help? 15:47 germa yes... i see... but any suggestion for good mods? 15:47 Dan_D Mesecons, Homedecor, Simplemobs 15:47 kaeza sfan5, homedecor should probably be in that list 15:47 sfan5 Dan_D: first post the post, then go to the attachments page and use that link 15:47 Dan_D But how to show the downloads etc? 15:47 germa i install,bed, simple mobs, boats and Jkmod 15:48 Dan_D I just get the link 15:48 Dan_D Which doesn't show the downloads box etc 15:48 Dan_D Oh wait never mind 15:49 sfan5 kaeza: added 15:49 kaeza thanks :) 15:49 Dan_D How do I change the position of the box? 15:50 germa wow... good mods thanks 15:50 sfan5 apparently nginx runs on my new TV 15:51 nore sfan5, !pil should ping the targeted user too 15:51 Jordach well that's a start 15:51 sfan5 what 'bout a pull request? 15:51 Jordach oh fuck tyhat 15:51 Jordach that* 15:52 sfan5 lets throw nmap at it 15:52 * Jordach has been watching Civ 5 gameplay all day 15:52 * nore is too lazy to do a pull... 15:52 sfan5 well then 15:53 Dan_D How to change the position of the downloads box? 15:53 PilzAdam Dan_D, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115301#p115301 I dont understand that 15:53 PilzAdam it doesnt really make sense to me, can you explain your point? 15:53 Dan_D Well, what if I update a mod very regularly? 15:53 sfan5 "git clone forum uploads" wat 15:53 Dan_D I don't want people to have to go to the page every time to download 15:53 sfan5 do you expect a forum to host a git repo with pull request ability for you? 15:54 Dan_D No, the point was only Github can do that 15:54 Dan_D Which is why github is better imo 15:54 PilzAdam oh, I see that you dont understand my post 15:55 PilzAdam github is just a host for git repos 15:55 Dan_D Oh right 15:55 PilzAdam what you want is all done by git, not github 15:55 Dan_D I though it hosted the files too 15:55 Dan_D I thought git and github were the same thing 15:55 Jordach lol 15:55 Jordach Dan_D, using talktalk btw 15:55 PilzAdam read that: http://git-scm.com/book 15:55 Dan_D Still, how do I move the downloads box around the post? 15:56 Jordach Dan_D, they always sit at the bottom 15:56 Dan_D Otherwise it is stuck at the end. 15:56 PilzAdam sfan5, !git for that link: http://git-scm.com/book 15:56 Dan_D Ok 15:56 Jordach PilzAdam, five secs 15:56 Dan_D Shame 15:57 sfan5 Jordach: pull first 15:57 Dan_D Well, the link seems to work for ship.we 15:57 Dan_D Yay I guess 15:58 nore http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-10-23 <-- #minetest-dev was not very active today 15:58 sfan5 Jordach: I said pull ( https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/commit/591326427181721cb5656d1bfd06491d66759c80 ) 15:59 Jordach oh shit 15:59 Jordach and git shell isnt in start meny 15:59 Jordach menu* 16:00 PilzAdam my windows 7 in this dualboot recently destroyed itself 16:00 nore sfan5, you could change "Somebody" with the same of the one that said !rtfm too 16:00 PilzAdam it said it needed to check the filesystem, found something wrong, and "fixed" it 16:00 PilzAdam now every boot ends in a bluescreen 16:05 nore PilzAdam, lol 16:06 nore did it destroy your linux too? 16:06 PilzAdam no 16:06 PilzAdam otherwise I would have sued Microsoft 16:07 nore what did it find wrong? 16:07 PilzAdam how should I know that? windows doesnt tell its users anything 16:08 Jordach sfan5, git is being an ass; it won't push my perfectly good changes despite i git pulled correctly 16:08 Jordach to my patch-2 branch 16:08 nore yeah, forgot about that part 16:08 PilzAdam Jordach, force push after you rebased to master 16:12 Jordach https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/pull/7 16:12 Jordach fixed 16:13 Jordach sfan5, ^ 16:19 germa nooo why the helicopter mod no have texture... noooo 16:24 * Jordach pokes sfan5 again 16:26 Jordach !pil PilzAdam 16:26 MinetestBot PilzAdam, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 16:26 MinetestBot zadam, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 16:26 Jordach that S in someone needs to not be a capital 16:27 Jordach same for the others too 16:29 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/commit/c0b95a148b3445e23612b233447b2f1d40d7bd30 16:32 Jordach hello Evergreen 16:32 Jordach i've been extending MinetestBot again 16:32 Evergreen Hey 16:32 Jordach now with !git [nick] and !pil [nick] 16:33 Jordach !pil Evergreen 16:33 MinetestBot Evergreen, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 16:33 Jordach that fucking typo annoys the shit out of me 16:38 thexyz wow 16:38 thexyz that's truly awesome 16:39 thexyz !git Jordach 16:39 thexyz no? 16:39 Jordach thexyz, https://github.com/Jordach/minetestbot-modules/commit/c0b95a148b3445e23612b233447b2f1d40d7bd30 16:39 Jordach sfan5 just needs to MERGE 16:39 Jordach *wink wink* 16:40 thexyz meh 16:40 thexyz that code quality 16:40 Jordach does it work 16:40 thexyz indeed it does 16:40 Jordach !pil thexyz 16:40 MinetestBot thexyz, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 16:41 thexyz !stfu Jordach 16:41 thexyz oh 16:41 Jordach john_minetest, :D 16:41 thexyz plz add "someone thinks you should shut the fuck up" 16:41 Jordach thexyz, later. 16:42 Jordach okay, didn't make a piss up; good :D 16:42 thexyz "someone thinks you should stop procrastinating" 16:42 Jordach !proc 16:43 Jordach [nick] * 16:43 Jordach mmm, archlinux 16:43 thexyz okay, how about instead you fix this mess and make the code look clean and nice? 16:43 * Jordach fires up virtual box 16:44 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload shortutils 16:44 MinetestBot sfan5: (version: 2013-10-23 16:44:03) 16:44 thexyz I mean, every command includes this copypasta about "aa_hook" 16:44 sfan5 !git sfan5 16:44 MinetestBot sfan5, someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Git, please go to: http://git-scm.com/book/ 16:44 sfan5 thexyz: I can't hook functions in any other way 16:44 thexyz yeah sure whatever 16:44 Jordach btw, i removed the caps in the second concat to make it look good 16:44 thexyz !python sfan5 16:44 PilzAdam !git 16:44 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/shortutils.py", line 70, in git) 16:45 sfan5 derrrp 16:45 PilzAdam Jordach bwoke it! 16:45 sfan5 PilzAdam: it's my fault 16:45 * Jordach exhales 16:45 thexyz also consider writing tests 16:46 PilzAdam she obviously doesnt want to strip for you, sfan5 16:46 * Jordach starts Arch Linux in VB 16:46 sfan5 haha 16:46 sfan5 s/haha/plol/ 16:46 thexyz that's how degradation looks 16:47 Jordach MinetestBot, strip for us! 16:47 MinetestBot No. 16:52 thexyz people finally started using attachments <3 16:53 Jordach fuckin hell - i've nearly got arch going \o/ 16:53 sapier arch as in arch linux? 16:53 Jordach yes sapier 16:54 Jordach i'll probably build my minetest-classic with it 16:54 sapier why "nearly"? 16:54 markveidemanis 5.81.157.109:30010 Finally running, this will be what gets moved to minetest.orh:30010 16:54 Jordach sapier, started the install just now :) 16:54 sapier ok :-) 16:54 markveidemanis *minetest.org 16:54 sapier you know using bleeding edge linux distro with outdated minetest is quite ironic ;-) 16:55 PilzAdam *buntu 13.10 has 0.4.7 in the repos 16:55 Jordach sapier, it's faster 16:56 sapier anything new claims to be faster is it more than a subjective feeling or do you have prove? 16:57 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/1lKXaAP.png soo good 16:58 sapier btw if anyone knows a linux distri with multiple graphics card support as well as a REAL desktop I'm looking for one ;-) 16:58 sapier I guess I'll stay at debian ;-P 16:59 sapier great does anyone know whats last visual studio express working without registration? 17:00 thexyz well it's not like you can't google the key 17:01 nore sfan5, add a "Please be patient" command, that can be useful too 17:01 sapier that's not legal as far as I know ;-) 17:02 thexyz then register 17:03 thexyz or use it for 30 days or whatever the limit is 17:04 sapier considering ppl beeing so interested in free licensing it's quite interesting to support toolchains beeing that non free ;-) 17:05 thexyz yeah well whatever 17:06 sapier everyone trys to force you to use an account nowadays just to ensure you have to accept theit "sell your soul" user policys ;-) 17:08 sapier didn't australians last year add a new color to weather forecast to show temperatures > 40° ? 17:09 kahrl sapier: what I did when I used MSVC last time is ignored the GUI, just ran the compiler 17:09 kahrl no stupid registration message that way 17:10 sapier really? great I don't need the gui ... quite slow on vm either 17:10 kahrl might have been changed since then but probably not 17:10 sapier I'll have a try 17:10 Jordach wat wat wat 17:11 Jordach A download is currently in progress... 17:11 Jordach > I have TWO WINDOWS OPEN. 17:12 sapier chrome ... what do you expect of google integrated browser? 17:12 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb2Ct3yyB4g 17:12 Jordach wat 17:13 Jordach it even complains when closing a single tab 17:13 sapier you should be glad it doesn't tell "nsa upload in progress please open your door and don't try to get away" 17:13 Jordach sapier, it's a debian iso - im planning on dual buildbots 17:13 Jordach one for tinkering, one for building 17:13 sapier it's stll chrome 17:13 sapier I'm almost sure it's not part of debian 17:15 Jordach i've made more minetestbot-modules commits than sfan5 17:15 sapier any idea where to post mingw build instructions? 17:15 Jordach on the internet 17:15 Jordach ;) 17:15 sapier yea correct answer but quite useless ;-P 17:16 Jordach pastebin, good quality forums post, instructions on the developer wiki 17:16 sapier I'm not very common to our wiki do we have build instructiosn there? 17:18 * Jordach suggests setting the default avatar size to 64px 17:18 thexyz what's the point? 17:18 Jordach 60px is a strange number 17:19 Jordach and people who use base2 sized images will benefit 17:19 sapier lol binary guy ;-) 17:19 Jordach (such as me, jojoa, that guy who made the useless mod) and others too 17:19 thexyz how's it strange? 17:19 thexyz i can agree that, say, 61 is weird or 67 17:19 Jordach because i don't like losing a few useful pixels 17:20 sapier I don't like too my new avatar will be 65 pixels so I demand size 65 ;-) *just kidding* 17:20 Jordach and there is *NO* loss of speed 17:20 thexyz and well, 1 pixel won't make a big difference so how about 66? 17:20 sapier and there is *NO* obvious generic benefit 17:21 Jordach sapier, i use a 8x8 Sam II face, it would just look better 17:21 thexyz lol guys, this channel is so wrong 17:21 sapier just because your avatar matches better thats no generic benefit ;-) 17:21 thexyz you argue about every single fucking thing 17:21 Jordach other people might want it too 17:21 sapier make a voting 17:21 sapier we don't argue we're just joking 17:22 sapier I don't care if it's 60 64 or 700 I don't have an avatar either 17:22 thexyz that's like making a change for the sake of making changes but whatever 17:22 thexyz I personally don't like avatars 17:25 Jordach thexyz, lemme go make a mock up of the BIGGEST possible avatar i can fit in 17:25 Jordach (keeping the current image padding) 17:25 thexyz the biggest possible one would be 60×60 pixels 17:25 thexyz I'm not following you 17:26 thexyz kaeza: what's your problem with attachments? getting any error? 17:28 kaeza thexyz, no error, nothing 17:28 kaeza lemme try again 17:28 thexyz did you press that "add file" button? 17:29 kaeza oh I'm derping 17:29 Jordach here's a 64px mock up (red box is to show you the effect) http://i.imgur.com/1sw0KHn.png 17:29 kaeza note to self: next time click the big button 17:30 kaeza well, not so big, but whatevs 17:30 * Jordach staples a note to kaeza's forehead 17:30 thexyz Jordach: aaaand what's your point? 17:30 Jordach thexyz, would be good 17:30 Jordach it just feels better 17:30 thexyz also please next time just use black boxes 17:30 Jordach i hate having non uniform ness 17:30 Jordach thexyz, colourblind> 17:30 thexyz instead of blurring the IPs 17:31 Jordach i smudged actually 17:31 Jordach hello BlockMen 17:31 BlockMen hi Jordach 17:31 BlockMen how doin? 17:32 Jordach alright 17:33 * BlockMen reminds Jordach the zombie :P 17:33 Jordach i knew it 17:33 Jordach but but but ragdoll fighting games 17:35 BlockMen if you dont feel like doin it its fine 17:35 BlockMen just thought you forgot again^^ 17:36 Jordach i've just been interested in an old game i used to play; managed a brown belt 17:37 BlockMen havin a nostalgic periode? 17:42 Jordach yeah 17:48 kaeza reposting here: http://www.wtfpl.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wtfpl-strip.jpg 17:51 thexyz too old 18:18 * Jordach pokes VanessaE 18:19 * Jordach pets MinetestBot 18:20 kaeza TIL typing just 'l' in bash runs 'ls' 18:20 kaeza or may be some weird script in ubuntu, dunno 18:20 Menche lies 18:21 Menche bashrc alias? 18:21 kaeza could be 18:22 Jordach kaeza, i just made more fixes for MinetestBot 18:22 kaeza oh also 'w' → some kind of 'ps' 18:23 kaeza Jordach, seen that 18:23 Jordach hehehe 18:24 VanessaE hi 18:25 Jordach i've out committed sfan5 on the MinetestBot repo 18:25 thexyz http://www.slideshare.net/olvemaudal/deep-c 18:26 Calinou kaeza: it's an alias 18:26 Jordach > slideshare 18:26 Jordach you should know better than that thexyz 18:26 kaeza Calinou, I noticed 18:26 kaeza alias ll='ls -alF'; alias la='ls -A'; alias l='ls -CF' 18:26 thexyz i wat? 18:27 kaeza you wat? 18:27 VanessaE Calinou: fix your one-liner build thingy for non-portable installs. without a 'make install' step in there, minetest will not find its files. 18:27 VanessaE (this thing: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 ) 18:28 Calinou you need to do make install now? 18:28 Calinou you need to use sudo to use it... 18:28 Jordach markveidemanis, feel free to talk for a bit 18:28 VanessaE you always had to for non-portable. 18:29 Calinou I use non-portable and don't have to use make install 18:29 VanessaE minetest expects to find its stuff in /usr/ or so 18:29 Jordach well that's /userful/ :> 18:30 VanessaE I just helped someone through it this morning, [s]he used your non-portable one and it didn't work. I directed to use run-in-place instead, that worked. 18:30 thexyz Calinou: you can make install to custom prefix 18:30 Calinou would it work? 18:30 Calinou minetest expects to find its stuff in /usr/ or so 18:31 VanessaE Calinou: without a custom prefix, it looks in /usr or /usr/local 18:31 VanessaE (the latter seems more common) 18:32 Calinou both need sudo to be installed on :/ 18:32 germa you help me 18:32 germa :) 18:32 VanessaE ah there [s]he is now :) 18:32 germa he 18:32 VanessaE he :) 18:32 germa im Italian... Andrea is male name 18:32 germa in italy 18:33 VanessaE ah. That's exclusively a female name in the US 18:33 germa help me very much 18:33 germa no, exclusively male name in Italy... when i go out of italy i change my name :) 18:33 VanessaE heh 18:34 VanessaE anywho.. 18:34 VanessaE Calinou: it's busted. fix it. :) 18:34 Calinou hi 18:35 Calinou VanessaE: well, I still have the issue of needing sudo 18:35 Calinou err, nevermind 18:35 Calinou it's used already 18:35 VanessaE what's wrong with sudo? that's the proper way to install a non-run-in-place build 18:36 germa install on lubuntu 13.04? 18:36 sapier1 I'm not quite sure about that vanessae isn't sudo granting root privileges? 18:36 Calinou I'm on xubuntu 13.04 18:37 VanessaE sapier1: yes, and NON-run-in-place belongs in /usr, which is root-write-only 18:37 Calinou if I just add make install after make -j2 will that work? 18:37 VanessaE only if you set your install prefix to somewhere the user can write to. 18:37 sapier1 so we should fix the non run in place build so support running without root privileges which is quite silly 18:38 VanessaE sapier1: you don't need root to run it. 18:38 VanessaE only to install. 18:38 VanessaE this is the normal behavior of admin activities. 18:38 sapier1 ok missundestood thought you need sudo to run 18:38 Calinou Minetest runs for me without run in place, and without make install 18:38 VanessaE Calinou: what happens if you set the install prefix to the minetest folder itself? 18:38 Calinou that's what surprises me 18:38 Calinou how do you do that? :P 18:39 VanessaE -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=xxxxxxx 18:39 Menche I'll check, but I thought that a non-run-in-place build worked fine from the build directory. 18:39 markveidemanis HELLO! 18:39 VanessaE germa's attempt did not work... and that ain't the first time I've had to help someone fix that :) 18:40 markveidemanis 5.81.157.109:30010 its still up 18:40 Calinou so . will do as install prefix? 18:40 VanessaE you probably need to do -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=`pwd` 18:40 VanessaE I expect it'll want a full path 18:41 germa yes... becouse the script haven't DRUN_IN_PLACE but maybe is different situation ahah i don't understand nothing of computers 18:41 Calinou isn't `pwd` depreacted and instead I should use $(pwd)? 18:41 VanessaE yes, `` is, but I've been using it for years :) 18:41 VanessaE I doubt it'll ever be fully disabled. 18:42 VanessaE either way will do 18:43 Menche i compiled it with RUN_IN_PLACE=0 and it works fine. 18:44 Menche I uninstalled the globally installed version I had 18:44 VanessaE maybe it's a matter of never specifying RUN_IN_PLACE at all (assume it's 0)? That's what cal's script does 18:45 VanessaE idk enough about the build scripts to be sure what happens in that case. 18:53 VanessaE bbl 19:02 Menche having trouble making a linux package 19:03 Menche "make package" is basically like "make install" with the archive as the prefix 19:03 Menche the produced binary can't find anything 19:05 sapier1 why do you even eant to install minetest yourself? most time this messes up your distros package management? 19:05 Menche i'm trying to make a run-in-place package, like the win32 builds 19:06 Menche "make package" makes a .zip or .tar.gz archive of a run-in-place build 19:06 sapier1 and what's wrong? just build and copy to those places where they are in windows? 19:06 Menche It'd be better if "make package" would produce a working build 19:06 sapier1 zip on linux would be a little bit strange ;-) 19:07 Menche it uses .zip for win32 builds and .tar.gz for linux ones 19:07 sapier1 I haven't tried by now but I don't expect issues if your "make package" target just copies the required things 19:08 sapier1 wait ... a binary build distibuted on linux wont work on other os either as the librarys most likely wont match 19:08 sapier1 other os meaning debian <-> arch <-> suse <-> redhat 19:08 thexyz LSB 19:08 Menche if i can get it to work right, the correct libraries will be bundled with the build. 19:09 sapier1 lsb won't help with abi compatibility 19:09 Menche it's just an archived run-in-place build like the official win32 ones, but for linux. 19:10 sapier1 win32 usually contains almost all required libraries on linux most libraries are provided by distribution 19:10 thexyz lsb won't? 19:10 thexyz it's like what it's designed for 19:10 sapier1 I don't think so doesn't lsb only specify locations where to find what? 19:11 thexyz well it's hard to google those days >The LSB is designed to be binary-compatible and produce a stable application binary interface (ABI) for independent software vendors. 19:12 sapier1 ok wrong it's really about abi ... still do we use only lsb libraries? 19:12 thexyz no of course not 19:12 thexyz can't we bundle them? 19:12 thexyz or compile statically 19:12 thexyz wait, I don't get the point of having universal linux binary builds 19:13 thexyz better set up https://build.opensuse.org/ and get packages for all modern popular distros 19:13 sapier1 me too we'd loose one of linux main features ... bugs are fixed once for all applications ... btw it's crazy on windows to have e.g. 10 qt implementations used by 15 applications ... randomly chosen which one by current system/run path 19:16 thexyz suse, arch, debian, fedora, redhat, ubuntu, centos 19:16 thexyz supports many distro versions too 19:16 thexyz we should just find someone familiar with it 19:18 PilzAdam bye 19:18 markveidemanis PilzAdam used to be nice! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=63178#p63178 19:18 markveidemanis shit missed it :P 19:23 Jordach hey Evergreen 19:24 Jordach yes 19:24 Jordach also: /back 19:24 Menche my silly ISP doesn't though :( 19:24 Menche at least, they didn't give me an IPv6 address 19:26 Evergreen Jordach, you have earned the achievement of being my personal welcoming committee 19:27 thexyz markveidemanis: was it before he became a "developer" or after that? 19:28 markveidemanis idk 19:28 markveidemanis ipv6? 19:35 sapier1 windows build using vs seems to be way more common than mingw build :-) 19:38 germa mmm how i play multiplayer? i create server in minetest and give the ip? 19:43 kaeza germa, yes, or join a public server :) 19:43 kaeza you need to forward ports if you want to host your own server 19:43 germa thank you kaeza.. but public server are far 19:44 germa open the ports? 19:44 kaeza yep 19:44 germa i have alredy open a port... but must use 30000? 19:44 kaeza it can use any port afaik 19:44 kaeza (barring OS restrictions of course) 19:45 germa i have lubuntu 19:45 kaeza try starting a sever and give ip and port 19:46 germa yes i try but nothing 19:46 sapier1 wasn't there a bug in server port handling ? 19:46 sapier1 the fix isn't merged by now 19:46 germa we play usually mame and work good 19:47 germa but the list of public server is on the minetest main site? 19:48 kaeza oh don't worry about it for now 19:48 kaeza just give your IP and port to your friends 19:49 germa ok don't work for now. maybe is him pc... becouse i try to connect a pubblic server and work 19:50 Peacock for private servers on the list (just saying): http://a.dryicons.com/images/icon_sets/stickers_icon_set/png/128x128/lock.png 19:50 sapier1 same as always if you're behind a router you need to configure it to host a multiplayer game 19:52 germa ah ok... i try 19:52 germa i look around the web for study this 19:58 germa maybe i dont have the port UDP open 20:37 sfan5 lol http://i.imgur.com/E1Q3ZQt.jpg 20:50 kaeza such ponyes 20:50 kaeza wow 20:57 Peacock ponies? lol 20:59 VanessaE hi 20:59 Peacock query not recognized, please restate command 21:00 VanessaE (insert random SQL SELECT and DROP commands here ;) ) 21:00 kaeza Bobby Tables? 21:01 Peacock SELECT ALL FROM Sammiches WHERE ING INCLUDES 'Bacon" 21:01 VanessaE mmmm 21:02 Peacock not sure if includes is a keyword lol 21:02 Peacock does lua include shit for playing with sql databases? 21:03 sapier1 no it doesn't 21:03 Peacock should, give newbs something more to learn 21:04 Peacock and might decrease dependence on text files and serialization 21:04 Peacock i think in php you have 2 or 3 simple commands, connect, select db and query if i remember correctly 21:04 kaeza Peacock, there's always external libs :) 21:04 kaeza or FFI 21:05 Peacock speaking of which, if i install different lua packages from synaptic, those libs are accessible from lua? 21:05 kaeza yep 21:06 Peacock hm wait 21:06 Peacock plain lua is builtin with minetest, luajit is systemwide 21:06 kaeza assuming they are installed in any dir in LUA_PATH 21:06 Peacock do plain lua packages work with jit? 21:06 kaeza should; jit is a drop-in replacement for 5.1/5.2 21:06 Peacock let's assume the average user and I install from synaptic and have no clue where lua path is :P 21:07 kaeza lua -e 'print(package.path)' 21:07 Peacock would synpatic place it in the right path on it's own? 21:08 sdzen hey there minetesters 21:08 Peacock (ive lost my taste for complicated since switching away from arch) :P 21:08 sdzen what have I missed? 21:08 kaeza I think so, you 21:08 kaeza hey sdzen 21:08 kaeza s/you/yes/ 21:10 Peacock sdzen, how is the conquest of Persia progressing? 21:10 sapier1 you could load that package yes ... obviously the sql backend is not for ppl that have security concerns 21:11 Peacock lol security concerns, talking about connecting to localhost db's 21:11 sapier1 sql is not limited to localhost 21:11 sdzen badly, I ran into a door. 21:12 Peacock you can't block access and tools because people *might* do something bad with them, i could do alot of damage with a sledgehammer yet they still sell them 21:13 sapier1 so you recommend opening a root shell just because it's usefull sometimes? ;-) 21:13 Peacock but if you give them the tools im pretty confident more good than bad will come out of it 21:13 Peacock were talking about datbases, not this strawman you brought up :P 21:13 sapier1 we're talking about a way to connect to arbitrary databases ;-) not a sqlite db 21:14 sapier1 but don't get me wrong I'm not against it as long as ppl are aware of the potential risks 21:15 Peacock well awareness and locking people out are two different things, i have no qualms about giving people the tools and making them aware of the risks :-) 21:16 Peacock though the point of my suggestion is to enable kids to learn about databases, text files are so passe lol 21:16 VanessaE Peacock: implement the VLIR format inside a text file. best of both worlds :D 21:17 sapier1 that's plain different from what others might want minetest to be ;-) 21:17 sapier1 if I understand you want a playground while others might want to run a stable server ;-) 21:17 Peacock no point in implementing another format when serialization works just fine :P 21:17 Peacock though databases are a useful skill to have to aspiring devs 21:18 Peacock your premise is on the assumption some devs don't already take MT for a playground :P im just talking about options 21:18 Peacock like most things, you wouldn't *have* to use dbs 21:19 Peacock though for economic type mods, it would be useful 21:19 Peacock my nodex-type market mod is one example :P 21:20 Peacock (it tracked all the sales and purchases and adjusted the prices accordingly) 21:21 sapier1 if it's enabled by default and not configurable it's no difference if you want to use or not the potential risk is there ... if you can disable use of sql lua module nothing wrong 21:21 sapier1 but I guess if it's added once same thing is gonna happen as for curl 21:21 Peacock well i didn't suggest enabling by default, who cares if it's on or off so long as you can turn it off or on 21:21 Peacock not really familiar with the curl debate though :/ 21:22 Peacock in any case, im gonna try out installing some of those lua packages i see in the repos, and at least see if that works :-) 21:23 sapier1 there's no debate curl is slowly crawling into mt taking over network communications ... if you disable you already can't use lots of current features 21:25 Peacock not really acquainted with network stuff - curl, udp, tcp, mostly acronyms to me :P 21:26 Peacock (i started out with perl/php/python) lol 21:26 Peacock a long time ago i wrote bots for really old games and thats the last time i touched on networking 21:26 stormchaser3000 hi 21:28 stormchaser3000 how y adoin 21:29 sapier1 :-) networking in general isn't an issue ... curl is a good way to do it too as it's quite common and bugfixed very well. 21:31 stormchaser3000 wtf 21:31 sapier1 It's just the way curl was added ... it's doing online communications without asking ... "you can disable curl if you don't want this to happen" was explanation for doing it this way ;-) 21:31 stormchaser3000 i am playing minetest 21:31 Peacock judging from the logs not too many people seem motivated to work on TCP connections for MT (i cant blame them lol) 21:31 stormchaser3000 clasccic 21:31 stormchaser3000 classic 21:31 sapier1 so actually this isn't a curl issue :) 21:32 stormchaser3000 and i get a wtaer source and my bucket destroyed from mining lava with a water source on top 21:34 Peacock my wife has curl issues :P she's gone through two straighteners in a year XD 21:35 BigWilly Groooooooooooooooooog! 21:35 thegamilyfrog66 hey Khan, what's happening? 21:36 * thegamilyfrog66 will be released soon™ 21:36 BigWilly not much, the prime ministers' in trouble over the duffy thing, i suggested they invade Poland as a distraction and was banned from the national post, apart from that, not much :-) you? 21:36 thegamilyfrog66 really? you got banned from a comments section? I can't see it... hahaha 21:37 BigWilly no biggie, its about as easy to get around as their paywall XD 21:37 thegamilyfrog66 not much - gotta head back to factory direct to return a refurbished wireless keyboard that didn't include a wireless receiver... 21:38 BigWilly lol 21:38 BigWilly thats like selling a car w/o the engine 21:38 thegamilyfrog66 way to go, guys 21:38 thegamilyfrog66 I know, annoying 21:38 BigWilly its telekinetic :P 21:38 thegamilyfrog66 Hey OldCoder 21:39 BigWilly someone reboot oldcoder, he's not responding :P 21:39 sapier1 I huess he's just firewalled 21:40 OldCoder Hi 21:40 OldCoder I am here 21:40 OldCoder In a business meeting 21:40 OldCoder Can't talk now 21:40 OldCoder john_minetest, I will be free all half the day on Saturday and Sunday 21:40 sapier1 firewalled as I said 21:40 OldCoder c u o/ 21:40 OldCoder No firewall 21:40 OldCoder sapier1, Hi 21:40 OldCoder g2g 21:41 BigWilly that wasn't very nice shadowbot 21:41 sapier1 I wouldn't have said anything if I was in a meeting ;-) 21:42 BigWilly distraction is always nice, i always needed a few drinks before thpse big UPS meetings lol 21:42 sapier1 lol :-) 21:42 BigWilly turns out one of the speakers did too XD 21:43 sapier1 shadowbot is a little bit tooo active isn't it? 21:43 BigWilly shadowbot, i command you to bang minetestbot (it should go to sleep after) 21:43 sdzen woah steinheim is still up.... 21:43 sdzen I havent been on that in some time 21:44 BigWilly old servers are fun, like touring ancient ruins 21:44 sdzen hopefully it isnt ruined though.... 21:44 BigWilly the best ancient ruins though are always found in parliament XD 21:44 sdzen despite the fact that I havent built on it since the last map reset 21:45 BigWilly i have to work on my prehistoric game, though the motivations' totally not there 21:46 BigWilly wait, wife just got back from the liquor store, motivation restored XD 21:46 thegamilyfrog66 aka the depanneur 21:46 BigWilly naw depanneur only sells beer and cheap wines 21:46 thegamilyfrog66 now you're talking 21:46 BigWilly liquor store (SAQ) had a special on frangelico 21:47 * thegamilyfrog66 is all about the cheap beer 21:47 BigWilly how much is beer around there? 21:47 thegamilyfrog66 too much? 21:47 BigWilly i get a sixpack of unibrow (unibroue) for 8$ after taxes 21:47 thegamilyfrog66 that's pretty sweet, though it sounds like Bert's eyebrow 21:48 thegamilyfrog66 MONOBROW 21:48 BigWilly http://www.donosborn.com/canada/canada195_Unibroue_beer.jpg 21:48 BigWilly first one on the left my favorite 21:48 BigWilly cant stand molson/labatt and fake imports 21:49 thegamilyfrog66 cool, I've had maudite before - pretty strong stuff 21:49 BigWilly from what my sister tells me (she's been to europe and other places) heineken doesn't taste the same here as it does there 21:49 thegamilyfrog66 I usually buy whatever's cheap in the tall cans 21:49 thegamilyfrog66 at the bar, don't usually drink at home 21:49 BigWilly yeah they have some pretty strong shit, though Blonde is 4.9% and doesn't have much of an aftertaste 21:49 thegamilyfrog66 though I like Stella, if I'm feeling fancy 21:50 thegamilyfrog66 right on 21:50 BigWilly i tried ordering a stella, it surrendered before i could drink it though :( 21:50 thegamilyfrog66 "surrendered"? 21:50 BigWilly french beer :P 21:51 BigWilly oh its not french 21:51 BigWilly its belgian lol 21:51 thegamilyfrog66 ahh, I get it now 21:52 BigWilly well if you're feeling fancy, you go for microbrew rather than brand name beers 21:52 thegamilyfrog66 I haven't read any political pundit blogs today - has Duffy been thrown under the bus by con diehards yet? 21:52 BigWilly a mike's frozen pizza might taste better and cost more than a mccain, but it's still frozen pizza :P 21:53 BigWilly naw actually duffy's fighting back and making harpo look bad 21:53 BigWilly this may be harpers' waterloo 21:53 ShadowNinja BigWilly: Re: Lua SQL. I have used luasql.sqlite3 successfully. 21:54 BigWilly shadow with luajit + a system package? if so, sweet :-) 21:54 thegamilyfrog66 I'm just wondering what the supporters/pundits are saying, since up until a couple days ago, they were like, stop picking on Duffy 21:54 BigWilly depends which paper you read :P i read all of them 21:54 thegamilyfrog66 Okay, how about the sun? 21:54 BigWilly and news from all over the world, i don't sleep much :P 21:54 ShadowNinja BigWilly: IIRC I cloned it from git and compiled it manually, but sure, if your distro has it. 21:55 BigWilly shadow that's encouraging, i'll definately give it a shot 21:55 BigWilly grog: the toronto sun? 21:55 BigWilly or sun news? 21:55 BigWilly with ezra "youregonnalovemyballs" levant? 21:55 thegamilyfrog66 It's all the same, really 21:55 thegamilyfrog66 bahaha 21:55 ShadowNinja I used it for a proof-of-concept Lua SQLite rolllback. 21:56 VanessaE bbl 21:56 BigWilly well no, toronto sun is totally left wing, sun news is totally right wing 21:56 BigWilly dyou work with zat on that, or was it a seperate project? 21:57 zat wat 21:57 BigWilly though i have to give ezra points, he totally pwned david suzuki 21:57 BigWilly david suzuki "people should consume less" ... guy homes several homes totally > 10 million in value lol 21:57 BigWilly *owns several homes 21:58 BlockMen gd night everyone 21:59 BigWilly shadow is there a d/l somewhere with install instructions i can reproduce? 22:00 ShadowNinja BigWilly: https://github.com/LuaDist/luasql 22:01 BigWilly Dled 22:03 BigWilly hm, #960 not pulled yet :( 22:04 BigWilly about #960, is there a param to disable/enable the sun/moon, i know it's disabled automatically, but example, for prehistoric game, i'd wanna set the sky a greenish tint while keeping the sun and moon 22:06 BigWilly Ooo (toronto sun) "U.S. spies may have targeted Merkel’s cellphone" 22:07 ShadowNinja BigWilly: No, it disables the entire sky if you set it manually. 22:07 ShadowNinja (/join #minetest-dev?) 22:07 BigWilly shadow I guess a seperate set_sattelites() function would be better 22:07 BigWilly im not much use in dev :P i can give ideas, not code 22:08 BigWilly and i bet half the people wouldn't be happy to see me there :P lol 22:10 BigWilly but i could comment on the pull, that would be better 22:33 zat Meanwhile at Chuck Norris house: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/996879_10201779504024719_1269485430_n.jpg 22:35 BigWilly anyone seen the The Wall know if it's any good? 22:37 BigWilly either that or Only God Forgives 22:39 BigWilly brb 23:07 * Peacock orders hookers and blow 23:07 Peacock should liven up the place 23:09 ShadowNinja Peacock: No need for that. 23:09 Peacock you already called for hookers? 23:09 OldCoder ShadowNinja, Hi! Thanks for PM earlier. I understood what had happened; was simply in a meeting 23:11 ShadowNinja Peacock: Keep the channel family-friendly. 23:11 Peacock if there were anything going on, i would :P 23:13 Peacock seems dead is the new normal around here lol 23:31 * Peacock starts a bonfire 23:31 * us|gb brings kerosene 23:33 Peacock good idea :P we can burn the channel down, take the insurance money and start up again somewhere else XD 23:35 us|pigb Is this channel insured? 23:35 Peacock probably not, you need valuables for the insurance company to take you seriously XD 23:35 us|pigb Hmm. Yeah, that makes sense. 23:36 Peacock and this place has been about as active as the forums lately 23:36 Peacock thank god for offtopic convos lol 23:37 us|pigb (By the way, the odd name changes are because of a different channel. It'd be nice to only change my name there, but I that takes more effort.) 23:37 Peacock well IRC is ancient technology, before minetest i was surprised anyone still used it 23:37 Peacock i guess it's still big in europe and other parts of the world lol 23:38 us|pigb I like IRC, I'm not sure what could possibly replace it. Old isn't necessarily outdated. 23:39 Peacock well, last time i used IRC was over fifteen years ago, so yeah, seems ancient to me lol 23:39 us|pigb Maybe a couple of things could be cleaned up, but you can say that about the web too. Actually, the web is in major need of cleaning. 23:39 Peacock around here people moved on to visual chat and IMs and groupware a long time ago 23:39 Peacock cleaning? the web couldn't be more generic these days 23:40 Peacock where you used to have fansites, you now have wikis 23:40 us|pigb Code-wise. HTML is a mess. 23:40 Peacock HTML used to be simple before CSS and JS :P 23:40 us|pigb Visual chat is overrated. I haven't use IMs or groupware, but they might be okay. 23:40 Peacock im old enough though to remember when VRML was hailed as the next big thing :P 23:41 us|pigb I would like a web without JavaScript better, but that's not even what I was talking about. 23:41 us|pigb I actually installed NoScript recently. 23:41 us|pigb It makes Google much less annoying. 23:42 Peacock meh, it also makes most sites unusable unless you start whitelisting everything you wanna see, which defeats the purpose 23:43 us|pigb Even before I was done with JavaScript, I thought it was overused. Some people can't run JavaScript for one reason or another. There should always be a fallback. 23:43 Peacock railing against google is also entertaining since i remember when geeks hailed it as the next best thing rather than the evil established companies, now google is the evil established company, which gives some insight into geek reasoning lol 23:44 Peacock geeks will rail against anything that's too successful unless they're the ones running it lol 23:45 us|pigb I don't like the way Google uses or offers JavaScript, but I still think there's some good in them. 23:45 Peacock even zuckerbergs' a hypocrite - doesn't believe in privacy, yet he bought up all the properties around his house so he could have some privacy lol 23:46 us|pigb I think Google does a lot of good in some areas. 23:46 us|pigb Just ... they aren't perfect. 23:46 Peacock meh, geeks are good for technical things, but i dont put much stock in their political or social stances lol 23:46 us|pigb THanks ... 23:46 Peacock well of course google isn't perfect, they need to earn profit, and you cant do that offering purely free services 23:47 us|pigb You can. But that's not even what I mean. 23:47 us|pigb I just want them to clean up their JavaScript and take out the annoying bits. 23:48 Peacock well it's true :P there are very few renaissance men around, you can be good with social things, or technical things, or political things, but rarely all the same time, problem is people mistake strength in one area as strength in all areas.... thats how you get technocratic dictatorships lol 23:48 Peacock communism though social policy could translate into a workable economic policy, look how that turned out 23:49 us|pigb Fair enough. 23:49 Peacock conversely, capitalist plutocrats have no clue what to do about the disadvantaged 23:50 us|pigb Any extreme system is going to be a problem. You need to find a middle ground. 23:50 Peacock extremism is the bane of our age lol 23:51 Peacock centrism and balance is the way to go 23:54 Peacock even though that gives boring politics lol 23:55 us|pigb Boring politics are a good thing. We can focus on other things. 23:55 Evergreen ^ true 23:57 Peacock thats why i like proportional rep, it mostly leads to coalition governments 23:57 Peacock compromise instead of idealism 23:57 Peacock the average citizen has to compromise alot more than he gets to stick to his ideals in life lol