Time Nick Message 00:14 Peacock lol check out http://debian-multimedia.org/ 00:15 kaeza seems legit 00:15 kaeza wait what 00:16 Peacock lol how much you wanna bet its one of those ruskie scams using the repos to insert nasty malware lol 00:17 Peacock thank god, just checked synaptic, clean :-) 00:19 Peacock im hesitant to change my debian repos from wheezy to the next one up, but my vlc is that old version with all the tearing :/ 00:21 Peacock also my xfce version doesn't have that auto-tile on screen edges that i love 00:26 thefamilygrog66 bonjour mes amis 00:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Grooooooooooooooooog! 00:26 thefamilygrog66 Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! 00:26 VanessaE hey grog 00:27 thefamilygrog66 howdy V 00:27 thefamilygrog66 what's new? 00:27 VanessaE not much 00:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan conquering Persia 00:27 thefamilygrog66 again? 00:28 thefamilygrog66 I'm thinking more turkey leftovers... 00:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan naw last time was Czeckoslovakia 00:28 thefamilygrog66 I can conquer that 00:28 VanessaE obama's on c-spam... 00:28 VanessaE "thank the leaders of both parties for getting us to this point" 00:28 VanessaE "I will sign it immediately." 00:28 VanessaE good. 00:28 thefamilygrog66 you guys got gubment again? 00:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i sortof suspected they would come up with a deal at the last minute, just like last time 00:29 VanessaE grog: in a few mins, yes 00:29 VanessaE allegedly. 00:29 VanessaE peacock: the voted to raise their credit limit :-/ 00:29 VanessaE they* 00:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan how about raising taxes or cutting expenses tho? 00:30 thefamilygrog66 ^^^ 00:30 VanessaE I wish. 00:30 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its kinda depressing that they have to argue over how much more debt to saddle your children and grandchildren with lol 00:30 VanessaE but noooooo we can't do that 00:30 thefamilygrog66 you sound like you're from soviet canuckistan, Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! 00:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Canada is almost worse off, the fed is going to break even but the provinces will be in terrible shape financially 00:31 thefamilygrog66 yay, downloading 00:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Ontario is already in the toilet, Alberta turned a huge surplus into a deficit, Quebec doesn't seem to care 00:31 thefamilygrog66 THAT'S what that smell is 00:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though at least in Quebec we're talking about gassing the geezers (assisted suicide) :P 00:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and the obvious question is, if all the young people need to go west to find work, what happens to all the geezers in the east when the working taxpayers are gone and theres no money for health/services? 00:33 thefamilygrog66 Canada turned a huge surplus into a deficit as well, even before 2008 00:33 thefamilygrog66 way to go guys 00:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the conservatives did that before the recession, and come the next election they'll be fucked, royally 00:34 VanessaE same here 00:34 VanessaE they're gonna get their asses handed to them. 00:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i say royally because the cons are crazy about the queen lol 00:34 thefamilygrog66 haha 00:34 thefamilygrog66 okay, leftover conquering time 00:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i say, why have one queen thousands of miles away, when we have hundreds of queens in all our major cities? 00:35 thefamilygrog66 oh, did you see the bad lip sync game of thrones thingie? 00:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the throne speach? 00:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (reminds me of when i talk to myself on the can) :P 00:36 thefamilygrog66 no, GoT as a renaissance theme park 00:36 thefamilygrog66 google that - pretty hilarious 00:36 thefamilygrog66 brb 00:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan enjoy your turkey :P all they had left was duck when i went to the store 01:09 paramat hi captain p and grog. captain p, i saw this architecture and thought of you http://www.aasarchitecture.com/2013/10/The-Interlace-by-OMA_16.html 01:10 VanessaE ah he's here 01:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan whos captain p? lol 01:10 VanessaE someone was looking for you earlier, paramat 01:10 VanessaE [10-16 15:16] * harpnetAdmin starts to wonder if he will ever hear back from paramat 01:10 paramat yes he PM'd me 01:10 VanessaE ok 01:11 paramat i think thats zsoltisawesome of moontest fame. also hi to VanessaE 01:12 VanessaE oh ok 01:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol restaurant's seal burger sparks death threats from animal activists - the irony lol 01:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan killing animals bad, killing people A-OK apparently lol 01:14 VanessaE seal burger? O.O 01:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/16/restaurants-seal-meat-burger-named-after-brigitte-bardot-sparks-threats-from-animal-rights-activists/ 01:15 VanessaE could be worse I guess....Heart Attack Grill 01:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan gotta love the extreme left - on the one hand they want us to take care of natives, on the other, they want us to ban all their forms of hunting XD i guess what they want is more welfare dependency lol 01:15 VanessaE (don't bother looking it up... their website is a total mess) 01:15 VanessaE hey now, 01:15 VanessaE I'm one of those extreme lefties....and I'm sitting here eating a meat lover's pizza :P 01:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no but its kinda contradictory coming from the same group :P 01:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan how can we take care of natives and ban hunting what they hunt? isn't that destroying their culture? lol 01:16 VanessaE *shakes head* 01:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats the UN for ya lol 01:17 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Heart attack grill - arent they the ones making those gynormous burgers? 01:17 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and btw, love meatlovers pizza lol 01:18 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan for every animal vegans wont eat, i'll eat 3 lol 01:19 VanessaE lol 01:19 VanessaE I loves my dead pig and cow :D 01:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i dont know what the english word is for "gibier" (deer/moose) but thats good too 01:19 VanessaE I forget now what that's called 01:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ahh, game meat 01:20 VanessaE oh right 01:20 VanessaE Venison 01:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ive had shark too, tasted like shit lol 01:20 VanessaE ok US House vote coming now 01:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan kinda curious about crocodile meat and austriche 01:20 VanessaE never had croc meat 01:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan should try it, you're closer to it than i am, ill prolly pay alot more for it lol 01:21 VanessaE heh 01:21 VanessaE hardly any closer. what, 1500km? :) crocs ain't exactly common here 01:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though around here, game and duck cost as much as the ordinary meats, so i guess im spoiled lol 01:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ever had elk? 01:23 VanessaE one of my favorites is gyro meat - lamb + beef 01:23 VanessaE nope, never had 01:23 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan elk is fucking awesome 01:23 Mossmanikin veganism is cruel, those poor plants don't stand a chance 01:23 thefamilygrover meat good 01:23 VanessaE Abe ha shad Elk before. says it's kinda "gamey" 01:23 VanessaE "It was fair to midlin" 01:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the wife is a true native, she's gonna go hunt moose in a few weeks :D 01:24 VanessaE he's had buffalo, similar opinion of it 01:24 thefamilygrover nice 01:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan elk is pretty good, tender, no much fat, lots of flavour, and you know, they're not raised in pens, they eat plants in the forest 01:25 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan to get the equivalent in terms of chicken or beef, you'd have to buy the "bio" variety, and even then i have my doubts about what makes them "bio" lol 01:25 * thefamilygrover wants to raise chickens in the backyard 01:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you live in the country right? should be easy enough 01:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i wanna go further north, hunting only gets better 01:26 thefamilygrover nope, I used to live in the woods until April, but bought a house in Kingston this past summer 01:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan never tried buffalo, never had it on the shelves here :( 01:26 Sokomine khaan: send her to study the moose and make an animated blender model afterwards :-) (while letting the animal escape) 01:27 thefamilygrover apparently it's legal to have a few chickens here now, provided I get the neighbours' approval 01:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the only place i could keep chickens is on the balcony, and i doubt im allowed :P 01:27 thefamilygrover cat's licking the turkey gravy off my plate. bad cat. 01:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan my cat's sitting on my lap, i shall be stroking my pussy all evening :( 01:28 thefamilygrover errr yeah 01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan 01:28 Mossmanikin ok? 01:28 Sokomine if you have a cat, your balcony is probably considered by your cat her territory anyway. no chance for chicken 01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://youtu.be/unmkX15AeN8 01:28 VanessaE haha 01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i dont let the cat out 01:28 Sokomine oh 01:28 thefamilygrover my back yard's around 35x60 feet - plenty of room for a chicken coop 01:28 VanessaE my cats know their territory quite well 01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i dont want random people petting her, you don't know where they've been 01:29 VanessaE and where it stops in particular 01:29 thefamilygrover my cat's have been indoors ever since the fishers took three in as many years at the old place 01:29 thefamilygrover *cats, jeebus 01:30 Mallot1 hello, all 01:30 thefamilygrover bonjour 01:30 Mallot1 i forgot the idea of minetest 01:30 Mossmanikin Hi Mallot1 01:30 Mallot1 like the direction its going 01:30 Mallot1 Hi Mossmanikin 01:30 thefamilygrover when was the last time you played Mallot1? 01:30 Mallot1 yesterday 01:31 thefamilygrover I mean, previously 01:31 Mallot1 ye 01:31 Mallot1 s 01:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Minetest is part of everything. He’s in the sky and sea. He’s in the dreams of children at night. He is all that there is. Forever. 01:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan 01:31 thefamilygrover candyman candyman candyman 01:31 Mossmanikin Wisely spoken 01:31 thefamilygrover oops, did it again 01:32 thefamilygrover damn mirror 01:32 Mallot1 :D 01:32 VanessaE meh. *pops the candyman in the head with a .357* 01:32 Mossmanikin :D 01:32 Mallot1 lol, i thouht it said poops 01:32 Mallot1 X3 01:32 thefamilygrover oh jeeze, forgot I have a gig on Friday 01:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan poops is vulgar, Picard would say "number one, i order you to take a number two" 01:33 * thefamilygrover should probably practise... 01:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan meh, just get wasted and wing it 01:33 thefamilygrover number two, earl grey, hot. 01:33 Mallot1 i think we need to start trying to target kids to play minetest 01:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it served me well 01:33 Mallot1 i don t think we have to many on public servers 01:33 thefamilygrover that's par for the course Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan 01:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan when i was a dishwasher, sobriety was rare lol 01:33 thefamilygrover my son, who's six, plays sometimes 01:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and i still did a better job than the sober philipinos lol 01:34 thefamilygrover but he still prefers minecraft 01:34 Mallot1 awwww 01:34 Mallot1 but its a start :) 01:34 thefamilygrover for sure 01:34 Mallot1 ill see if i can get my friends to play again 01:34 Mallot1 we should start etting advertising 01:34 thefamilygrover mesecons just don't measure up to redstone for him, anyway - he loves making redstone gadgets 01:34 Mallot1 i love mesecon 01:35 Mallot1 so i cant imagine redstone 01:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan too complicated for my taste lol 01:35 Mallot1 lol 01:35 thefamilygrover you're smart - you can make us go 01:35 thefamilygrover what was that episode? 01:35 Mallot1 I never heard of it 01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan episode of which show 01:36 thefamilygrover tng 01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan oh 01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan those morons 01:36 thefamilygrover the dudes kidnapped jordi 01:36 thefamilygrover *sp 01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan that happened twice lol 01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan morons: Samaritan Snare 01:36 thefamilygrover yes! 01:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the other episodes had the romulans kidnap him and replace him with a clone or some genetically modified romulan, i forget which 01:37 thefamilygrover can't remember that one 01:37 thefamilygrover though I've seen every one numerous times, I'm sure 01:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan The Mind's Eye 01:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan heck TNG played all the time on CityTV growing up in TO 01:37 Mallot1 are mesecons still maintained 01:37 thefamilygrover used to watch the original series and tng each at least twice a day 01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan frasier played alot back then too, thats how i got into it lol 01:38 thefamilygrover I dunno Mallot1 - have there been any updates to that one recently? 01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan kelsey grammar (frasier) appeared on TNG, as did his ex-wife, Lilith lol 01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Lilith played one of the many aliens Riker bedded lol 01:38 Mallot1 i dont think so :/ 01:38 thefamilygrover hmm 01:39 Mallot1 i like them though i wonder if i would eb ale to help 01:39 Mallot1 testycircuits 01:39 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol testycircuits... 01:39 roguejedi79 on a business trip, cant wait to get home to get mods on my new server 01:39 Mallot1 :3 01:40 Mallot1 what server 01:40 Mallot1 do you have mesecons? 01:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no they're evil, try decepticons 01:40 Mallot1 :D 01:41 Mallot1 transformers 01:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i really regret getting those tattoes done since the new movies came out lol 01:41 Mallot1 lol 01:41 Mallot1 tattoes of transformers? 01:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan now people actually think i like the new movies lol while they're way older than that (obvious by the fading) 01:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah, i have the autobots symbol on one leg, the decepticons on the other 01:41 Mallot1 cool 01:42 Mallot1 so... 01:42 NakedFury Ryker was a man slut 01:42 Mallot1 how are we all doing with... 01:42 Mallot1 the ladies B) 01:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Ryker... meets a hermaphrodite species ... fucks one of them lol 01:42 NakedFury also ryker had the "I own this place" seating style 01:42 thefamilygrover Riker always sat down on chairs weirdly. 01:43 NakedFury yeah leg over the back 01:43 thefamilygrover there's a youtube montage 01:43 NakedFury sometimes even same way to get back up 01:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not to mention exposing his crotch to wesley by lifting his leg on the console's support thingy 01:43 NakedFury yeah man! 01:43 thefamilygrover haha 01:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not that wesley hated it but still lol 01:43 NakedFury like here visitor take a glance at my crotch 01:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan did that to wesley: http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Riker1.jpg 01:44 NakedFury inviting him to seat down was inviting a crotch glance 01:44 NakedFury lol 01:44 NakedFury that episode 01:44 NakedFury he got back up same way 01:44 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the picard maneuver as well: http://youtu.be/j4Z3SYf6_Q8 01:44 thefamilygrover bahaha - it's his trademark, like the Fonz punching the jukebox, man 01:45 thefamilygrover can't watching picard tugging it anymore 01:45 thefamilygrover o_O 01:45 NakedFury wow never noticed it before 01:45 NakedFury its the same as the Ryker maneuver 01:46 NakedFury I cant help but notice it now 01:46 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan he was always pulling down his shirt lol 01:46 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan still better than the 1-pieces they used early on lol 01:46 NakedFury but star trek clothing sucks either way 01:47 thefamilygrover I'd love an original series red shirt 01:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan in the early seasons, they even had manskirts lol 01:47 thefamilygrover I'd wear that thing like crazy 01:47 NakedFury the only uniform I like from the series is the old style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Star_Trek_Wrath_of_Khan_uniforms.jpg 01:47 thefamilygrover yeah, remember the manskirts...errr...kilts. 01:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://youtu.be/pEJ0XlX9Kbo 01:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ^manskirt 01:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they shoulda stuck with the red one yeah, maybe a bit more modernised, but it looked a little more military yeah 01:48 thefamilygrover nice 01:48 NakedFury the one in TNG and the rest of the series just looks lame 01:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though the greytops from DS9 werent bad either 01:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan in voyager they stuck with the ugly ones till the end :/ 01:49 NakedFury its no wonder Worf had an ilegal uniform accesory 01:49 Sokomine would you like to wear something like that? guess the original tshirts might be most comftable 01:49 thefamilygrover okay, I gotta at least run through my set once - it is a one-man band after all, so I can't count on anyone else to cover my ass 01:49 NakedFury the low point in star trek uniform was reached in Enterprise 01:50 NakedFury god that looked, without offense, like a janitor uniform 01:50 NakedFury or painter 01:50 Sokomine i do consider enterprise to be an alternate timeline/universe anyway. does not fit to the rest 01:50 NakedFury yeah many events very important happened that were never mentioned anyway 01:50 NakedFury the whole stupid time war 01:51 NakedFury that was a waste of story 01:51 Sokomine exactly. but not only that 01:51 thefamilygrover I will leave you with a video of me performing my song about zombie nightmares, in a bar, behind chicken wire, as people dance and throw empty beer cans and fried chicken bones at me. 01:51 NakedFury and I hated the captain style in Enterprise too. he always went in expeditions when as captain he just didnt have to 01:52 thefamilygrover http://youtu.be/7n6ZbJE2HF0 01:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan enterprise never happened XD 01:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan scott bakula was alot better in quantum leap than star trek lol 01:52 NakedFury yep 01:53 NakedFury I just cant stand how they wasted half the show to Temporal cold War 01:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it didn't make much sense either 01:53 NakedFury then the second other half to an important Star Trek event that felt equally lame 01:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan in the other 3 series, they time-traveled all the time without these guys showing up to fix it 01:53 VanessaE hey now I liked Enterprise. 01:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the xindi season sucked ass the most 01:53 NakedFury ^ agreed 01:54 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the species were so ridiculous 01:54 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan even the kazon were less laughable, and my sister called them trolls lol 01:54 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan kazon: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2220/2392237019_01cecd96f8.jpg 01:55 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its no surprise Enterprise ended after 4 seasons, and the finale was the biggest cop-out lol 01:55 VanessaE ok I agree the finale was shit 01:55 NakedFury I even preferred the constant irritable paranoia of humans towards Vulcans, specially annoying Tucker 01:55 VanessaE as was the "in the mirror darkly" 01:56 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they shoulda stuck to stories that hadn't been established in cannon, but throwing the borg in there, really? 01:56 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and im sposed to believe starfleet knew nothing when picard met the borg later on lol 01:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not as if people weren't sick of the borg after voyager lol 01:57 VanessaE ok th US House is voting now 01:57 paramat that missisipi grover video is good, i'm impressed 01:57 VanessaE 42:9 in favor, so far 01:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan voyager: borg show up, Janeway says "bitch please", borg loose lol 01:57 NakedFury 42 in favor that Enterprise sucked 01:57 VanessaE haha 01:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol 01:58 Sokomine :-) 01:58 VanessaE no not quite :) 01:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i doubt they could even agree on that :P 01:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan this budget thing will pass dont worry 01:58 VanessaE 56:10 now in favor of accepting the Senate's bill on the shutdown 01:58 Sokomine hm, new way of annoying us senators and forcing them to do their work? show them bad movies? 01:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you mean everything to come out of hollywood in the last 15 years? 01:58 NakedFury I will start with any Uwe Boll movie 01:58 VanessaE I'm not too worried, but they started to play the Social Security card. I'm on Social Security. 01:59 VanessaE that's when I started to worry, because that's supposed to be untouchable. 01:59 VanessaE Sokomine: haha 01:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan unfunded liability 01:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they'll eventually have to tackle social security 01:59 NakedFury any senator that mentions social security should not be a senator 01:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan as much as us "kids" cant afford pensions for geezers who sold out the economy to the chinese 01:59 NakedFury heck the complete senate needs a hard wipe 02:00 VanessaE well to be fair, I earned every penny I make (that's how it works here) 02:00 VanessaE NakedFury: both houses need a clean sweep 02:00 NakedFury its full of old shits stuck in the old ways 02:00 VanessaE 70:18 now... 02:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan boomers expect us to work longer, for less money, to pay higher taxes, for pensions we won't get, you can see where this is going right? 02:01 VanessaE of course 02:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the 60's were nothing compared to what's coming lol 02:02 VanessaE raise taxes a bit, cut the damn military, and there's the solution right there. 02:02 VanessaE and I mean taxes on the millionaires. 02:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the sad part is we'll have more reagan/thatcher types taking advantage of the situation 02:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan just let the bush tax cuts expire 02:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan jesus, you paid more in taxes during the oil embargo, and shit wasn't good back then either 02:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan as for cutting the military, well, there's an empire to maintain 02:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and with obama's pivot to the orient, and the chinese spending your consumer dollars on military hardware, i doubt military spending will reduce anytime soon 02:05 VanessaE it's a total clusterfuck 02:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the big fucking mistake was sending all our manufacturing to china in the first place 02:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan now we're supposed to be pissed as citizens that they spend their money wisely? lol 02:06 NakedFury everything is made in china 02:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan short-sighted neoliberal retardedness 02:07 VanessaE not everything, but hardly nothing is made in the US anymore. 02:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you can't have free trade between unequal nations 02:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan because automatically you have to reduce your worker's expectations to those of the other country 02:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but i dont wanna work for fucking chinese wages lol 02:08 NakedFury thats the problem 02:08 NakedFury nobody wants to do that work 02:08 NakedFury so they look someplace else and find it in china 02:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan if they paid what they should, they would find workers 02:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Canada has the TFW, like the US's H1-B's, we find people willing to do the same work for less, and we end up with natives on unemployment and welfare 02:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan too much protectionism is bad for consumers, but too much liberalism is also bad for workers 02:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan like V said, a real clusterfuck 02:10 VanessaE the vote's 191:87 so far. I'd say it's gonna pass rather clearly. 02:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats what i expected :P 02:10 NakedFury what is it about? 02:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan fitch was threatening a downgrade so... 02:11 VanessaE NakedFury: to reopen the government 02:11 NakedFury ohh 02:12 NakedFury it will pass and it wont learn from its mistakes 02:12 NakedFury we will survive fine until the next generation when the same mistake happens again 02:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan naw, ittl be the same shit in jan or feb 02:12 VanessaE of course. 02:12 NakedFury the change that is needed will not pass because those in power dont want to do what is necessary 02:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats why the chinese are right about a new reserve currency, tho im not sure how the US will take that lol 02:13 NakedFury we will stay broken until some guy or gal with giant cojones comes to power and takes change 02:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its peculiar that some countries are stocking up on gold lol 02:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan some people seem to think the US dollar hasn't got long to go 02:15 NakedFury any currency hasnt got long 02:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it's all toilet paper anyhow,gold standard wasn't perfect, but at least it gave money value 02:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though its interesting to note one of keyne's (rejected) ideas was a global reserve currency 02:17 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor 02:17 NakedFury yeah late 02:17 NakedFury already reading it 02:18 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though when we live in an age of eminent domaine and civil forfeiture, i'd rather not own too much seizable property, but have transportable value lol 02:19 roguejedi79 my gf is not a gamer but i've got her hooked on MT once i got my server up 02:19 VanessaE cool 02:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (bankruptcy's a bitch) lol 02:19 Mossmanikin Yeah! 02:20 NakedFury another example of change waiting to happen and knocking your door but our political bosses not opening the door 02:20 VanessaE 284:144, the vote carried. 02:20 VanessaE 285* 02:20 VanessaE not one single "nay" by the Dems. why am I not surprised? 02:20 NakedFury they should all be fired without benefits for incompetence 02:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan because theyre not kamikaze lol 02:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan seriously, a parliamentary system wouldn't hurt the US lol 02:21 VanessaE hah 02:21 VanessaE forget it, our government is busted. nothing will fix it but nuclear war or something 02:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan rosie O'donnel could be the queen lol 02:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan nuclear war? i think more people are hoping for internal civil war before a global nuclear war lol 02:22 Mossmanikin Let's listen to some doom metal 02:22 NakedFury this current crisis will be fixed in 1 of 2 ways. another world war or the messiah comes and takes the proper actions 02:22 NakedFury World War is more likely 02:22 VanessaE I'd rather listen to something positive. 02:23 VanessaE messiah? heh. you wish. 02:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not sure another world war could happen in the age of mutually assured destruction tho 02:24 VanessaE it could 02:24 VanessaE there are enough batshit insane people out there that would do it 02:24 NakedFury ^ yes 02:25 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well, russia's economy aint doing too well, china still depends on western consumer dollars... 02:25 NakedFury china depends on all those countries using it as a factory 02:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan exactly, the only possible belligerent is russia, and they're more likely to have a war with china over lebensraum 02:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan because china needs territory and they're right on russia's doorstep 02:27 NakedFury well back to minetest. was a common goal reached for minetest earlier today in -dev? 02:27 VanessaE no, I think it'll be some backwater middle-east nation-state that does it 02:27 VanessaE all it takes is one person with sufficient knowledge of nuclear physics and rocketry to pull it off. 02:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not sure oil would be as big a factor for ww3 as it was for ww2 02:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it will probably be water lol 02:32 Mossmanikin Africa, a whole continent, exploited, oppressed, enslaved... civil wars and ethnic cleansing everywhere... people do not forget about some shit... it will hit the west 02:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan africa wanted independence, they got it, now we're to blame? 02:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan sucks they didn't learn anything during the colonial period, but that's hardly our fault lol 02:34 Mossmanikin some woulnds don't heal easyly, it's not about blaming anyone 02:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan once they got independence they basically resumed tribal warfare, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p016tn4r 02:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not really different from the middle-east, though im sure they'll be blaming us for their troubles 20 years from now 02:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan damned if you do, damned if you dont: whatever we do in the middle east (interfere or nothing), they'll blame us lol 02:37 Mossmanikin and they more or less have the historical right 02:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah, because we're all responsible for our ancestors actions right? lol 02:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they appeal to liberal attitudes when they need help, and they blame liberal attitudes when they can't keep their shit together.... i say build a wall around the middle east, let them off themselves in record numbers over religious wars 02:41 Mossmanikin Don't get me wrong, I know all about getting blamed for what my forefathers did (I'm german) 02:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan exactly, how many foreigners call you a nazi because of what people did way before your time? 02:41 Mossmanikin A lot 02:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its not like you had a say or a vote, you weren't even born 02:42 VanessaE how many foreigners call all americans dumb? :-/ 02:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well id argue only 40% are dumb, the ones voting GOP lol 02:42 VanessaE heh 02:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but naw, they're not dumb, there's a shitton of people in the 3rd world living in propaganda regimes 02:44 Mossmanikin Exactly, all I'm trying to say here is: on every action follows a reaction, war leaves traumatized people 02:44 Guest44161 is this where I can get basic minetest questions answered? 02:44 Mossmanikin traumatized people don't act rational 02:44 NakedFury yes 02:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well exactly, that's liberal hypocrisy again: you want to give them independence, but also interfere every time things dont go your way... i say it's none of our business 02:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan im very star-trekian when it comes to interfering in other countries' affairs lol 02:47 Guest44161 where are the directions on how to play, enter multi-player, etc? 02:48 kaeza controls are in the pause menu (press Esc in-game) 02:48 Guest44161 im on a linux machine, my son is on a windows machine. I would like to join him playing. 02:49 VanessaE go to the "Server" menu and start a server from there 02:49 VanessaE tell your son to connect to you via your LAn IP 02:49 Guest44161 lol, he's 8, and im not so savvy... 02:50 VanessaE it's easy. Just open the program, click the "Server" tab. Plug in your name and password, select a world on the right, and "Start Game" 02:50 VanessaE your name and password being what you want to use for your temporary server - they can be anything you want. 02:50 VanessaE leave the port alone. 02:50 Mossmanikin So here we have a kid interested in Minetest :) 02:50 Guest44161 Moss 02:51 Guest44161 sorry- he loves it. 02:51 VanessaE then tell your son to go to the "Client" menu. Enter his name and password, your LAN IP for where it says "Address/Port" and then click Connect. 02:51 VanessaE same as if he's connecting to some outside server. 02:52 thefamilygrover my son plays on my server sometimes - he comes up with mod ideas, and I write them and add them to the server. but he still keeps going back to minecraft and that damned redstone... 02:52 Guest44161 how do I find out an ip? 02:52 Mossmanikin Yeah, it's just someone, forgot whom, said we need kids :) 02:52 VanessaE Guest44161: you'open a terminal, ifconfig -a 02:52 VanessaE gah 02:52 VanessaE Guest44161: you're in linux, so open a terminal and do, ifconfig -a 02:53 kaeza gah: error fetching interface information: Device not found 02:53 Guest44161 i would rather find his, since he has a huge world built and mine is just installed 02:53 thefamilygrover is he using windows 7? 02:53 VanessaE one of those entries will have a valid IP address - 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x 02:53 * kaeza runs 02:53 Guest44161 yes winows 7 02:53 thefamilygrover okay, tell him to click the start button and type cmd 02:54 thefamilygrover that will open up a command prompt window 02:54 thefamilygrover then he should type ipconfig 02:54 VanessaE it's easier if you run the server on your linux machine, since you know a bit more than he does 02:54 thefamilygrover that will tell him, among other things, his ip address 02:55 thefamilygrover don't listen to VanessaE 02:55 thefamilygrover haha 02:55 VanessaE :P 02:55 Mossmanikin :D 02:55 thefamilygrover it's just as easy, if not easier, to run on a windows machine 02:56 VanessaE yeah but the windows machine is the son's, I'd think the parent should run the server... 02:57 thefamilygrover it's not like he's opening it to the public 02:57 thefamilygrover it's just a lan server 02:57 kahrl depends on the router :P 02:57 VanessaE well whose ever machine has the world you two want to play in also matters ;P 02:58 thefamilygrover that's what he mentioned up there ^^^ 02:58 Guest44161 it doesnt look like he can open up the world he created in single player mode... 02:58 VanessaE odd 02:58 kaeza just in case... which version? 02:59 Guest44161 I think he has 4.7, i have no idea what I have 02:59 thefamilygrover how did he create the world, if not in singleplayer mode? 02:59 kaeza ah ok just checking :P 02:59 kahrl right, 0.4.7 has no "Server" tab, it's called "Advanced" 02:59 VanessaE zero point four point seven 02:59 VanessaE Oh right, I forgot that it was renamed 03:00 thefamilygrover so it'll be in the advanced tab for both computers 03:00 thefamilygrover but the son doesn't specify an IP address, just leaves that blank, with the world highlighted below 03:00 Guest44161 lol!!! Now I remember why I switched to Linux...his laptop just crashed. 03:01 thefamilygrover hehe 03:01 Mossmanikin lol 03:01 thefamilygrover so VanessaE, any idea when 0.4.8 is officially being released? 03:01 VanessaE no clue yet 03:01 Guest44161 okay, bear with me. he's reopened and at the advanced tab 03:01 VanessaE but it's inching a little closer 03:02 kahrl "0.4.8 will be released soon™" 03:02 thefamilygrover okay guest, does he see his world listed in the bottom pane? 03:03 Guest44161 he still 'connecting to server' 03:03 kahrl Guest44161: to start a server, leave the address field blank 03:04 Guest44161 so that would just start a new world, right? 03:04 Guest44161 maybe thats what we should do 03:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan poppycock lol 03:04 thefamilygrover nope, he would select the already created world in the bottom pane of the advanced tab 03:04 thefamilygrover and then, leaving the ip address blank, click start game 03:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan sounds tricky, might need a diagram :P 03:05 Guest44161 he double clicked on his world and its trying to connect 03:05 Mossmanikin Port should be blank too? 03:05 thefamilygrover port doesn't matter, I dont' think 03:06 thefamilygrover ooh, watched the evil dead remake last night, was a lot more intense than I remember the original being 03:07 Guest44161 i loved that flick 03:07 thefamilygrover the original or remake? 03:07 Guest44161 the original, havent seen the remake 03:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan evil dead, thats the one with the tree rape scene right? 03:08 thefamilygrover yes 03:08 Guest44161 thats the one 03:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah lol thats fucked up 03:08 thefamilygrover I rented the original back in '84 or so 03:08 thefamilygrover when I was a teen 03:09 Guest44161 vhs days 03:09 thefamilygrover yessir 03:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well both tree rape scenes were kinda ridiculous lol 03:09 thefamilygrover beta, if you could afford it 03:09 thefamilygrover there was one in the remake too Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan 03:09 Guest44161 my kid holds up a vhs and says Dad what is this? 03:10 thefamilygrover hehe 03:10 Mossmanikin :D 03:10 thefamilygrover I have a box full of them, and another full of audio cassettes too 03:10 VanessaE heh 03:10 thefamilygrover they don't get a lot of play 03:10 thefamilygrover :) 03:10 Guest44161 should it take this long for him to connect ? 03:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but what happens if an evil spirit wants to possess someone and they dont have something to rape? lol 03:10 VanessaE Guest44161: explain to him some day what a 5 1/4 disk is :) 03:10 Mossmanikin it's similar to papyrus 03:10 * VanessaE looks at a box of them sitting on her desk 03:10 thefamilygrover no, it shouldn't take that long 03:11 Guest44161 remember punch cards? 03:11 VanessaE never used them, thank G*d 03:11 VanessaE (too young) 03:11 thefamilygrover I remember doing tests in school where we had to fill in tiny rectangles on punch card type things with pencil 03:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i had that too lol 03:12 Guest44161 also - what is c55? it looks like that is what I am running. 03:12 thefamilygrover must've been a crazy canadian thing 03:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan c55 is a girl in finland 03:12 VanessaE c55 = celeron55, the original author of the gam,e 03:12 VanessaE game* 03:12 thefamilygrover tell your son to hit the Esc key 03:13 Guest44161 ok 03:13 thefamilygrover it ain't connecting 03:13 Guest44161 ok, hes back at the start screen 03:13 Mossmanikin long time ago some of theose cards slipped trough my fingers, long time ago.... 03:13 thefamilygrover now in the advanced tab, does he see his world in the bottom? 03:14 Guest44161 yes 03:14 VanessaE my computing only goes back far enough to have stored data on audio cassette. 03:14 Guest44161 commodore 64 style! 03:14 VanessaE damn straight! 03:14 * VanessaE looks at the C128 on her desk :) 03:14 Guest44161 my 1st pc 03:15 Guest44161 he sees his world 03:15 thefamilygrover ok, he should make sure it's selected (highlighted), and that the address field is blank, and hit the start button 03:15 thefamilygrover it should load right away pretty much 03:15 Mossmanikin love those cassettes, still got some in the basement, unfortunately my C64 is wasted :( 03:15 VanessaE (though I was using a timex sinclair before, which used an actual audio cassette recorder rather than a dedicated tape drive) 03:16 Guest44161 should it be marked as Public? 03:16 VanessaE Mossmanikin: c64s are easy to fix if you can find the parts 03:16 Guest44161 and the prt blank too? 03:16 Guest44161 port 03:16 Menche the port should be blank if you want it to start a server. 03:16 Mossmanikin VanessaE: thanks, just too lazy :D 03:17 kaeza huh 03:17 * thefamilygrover grew up on commodore PET, timex sinclair 1000 and commodore 64 03:17 thefamilygrover none of that vic 20 crap though 03:17 thefamilygrover haha 03:17 kaeza I thought the port field was required; that only the address field was optional 03:17 thefamilygrover just leave the port at 30000 03:17 Guest44161 ok 03:17 thefamilygrover but the address blank 03:18 Menche wait what version? does it have an "Address" tab or a "Server" tab? 03:18 thefamilygrover advanced tab 03:18 Guest44161 should it be public? 03:18 thefamilygrover not sure, guys? 03:18 Menche oh right, address blank 03:18 kaeza nope 03:18 thefamilygrover no, not public 03:18 Guest44161 ok 03:18 kaeza unless you want random people from the internet to join your server 03:18 * thefamilygrover will join 03:18 kaeza :) 03:19 Menche only if it's port-forwarded, of course 03:19 Mossmanikin :D 03:19 kaeza anyway, do not use public 03:19 Guest44161 ok, he has a new world opened up now. 03:19 thefamilygrover cool, do you know his ip address? 03:19 Guest44161 i have his ipv4 address 03:20 thefamilygrover it should be something like 192.168.0.100 or something 03:20 thefamilygrover good 03:20 kahrl Guest44161: really a new world? or the existing world with a new player? 03:20 Guest44161 yep, 192.168.1.6 03:20 Guest44161 he syas its a new world 03:20 Guest44161 says 03:20 thefamilygrover in your advanced tab, type in that address 03:21 thefamilygrover a user name and click start 03:21 Guest44161 i dont have an advanced tab, but I have a place for the address 03:21 kahrl he loses his inventory if his username is not "singleplayer" but any builds should still be there 03:21 Guest44161 i did give him a different name 03:21 thefamilygrover this whole menu should be revamped to make it more simplified, less redundant 03:21 Guest44161 acces denied, your clients version is not supported 03:21 NakedFury make it a goal 03:21 thefamilygrover but that's just my opinion 03:22 kahrl thefamilygrover: it has been 03:22 kaeza Guest44161, which version are you running? 03:22 kaeza (on Linux) 03:22 Guest44161 i dont know 03:22 thefamilygrover kahrl, I guess it's a work in progress 03:23 kaeza start a new single player game and look at the top left corner of the screen 03:23 Guest44161 it doesnt say 03:24 Guest44161 just says minetest (main menu) 03:24 Mossmanikin self-explanatory ftw (I know it's not easy) 03:24 Guest44161 then a client and server box underneath 03:24 kaeza looks like 0.3.x 03:25 thefamilygrover that'll be why 03:25 kaeza or even worse -- minetest-delta .-. 03:25 thefamilygrover does anyone have a zipped, already compiled 0.4.7 for linux kicking around? 03:25 Guest44161 servers protocol_version is 13...20, client's protocol_version is 3..3 03:26 kaeza yep; you'll have to upgrade 03:27 Guest44161 wait, minetest open gl2.1 03:27 Mossmanikin Hm... did I miss something or is ftw | wtf coincidence? 03:27 Guest44161 wait 03:27 Guest44161 c55 0.3.1 03:27 * kaeza waits 03:27 kaeza :| 03:27 Guest44161 thats all i got. 03:27 VanessaE oh my 03:27 thefamilygrover it's old 03:27 VanessaE talk about outdated :) 03:28 VanessaE thefamilygrover: I could upload an AMD64 build if you want. 03:28 thefamilygrover it's not for me, it's for guest, so he doesn't have to go through the whole compiling thing 03:28 VanessaE oh ok 03:28 VanessaE why not use the nightlies PPA? 03:29 thefamilygrover that's an option too 03:29 kaeza in that case his son would have to update too 03:29 VanessaE https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds 03:29 thefamilygrover my linux client is a nightly build 03:29 thefamilygrover you can use a nightly client on a 0.4.7 server 03:29 thefamilygrover no probs 03:30 thefamilygrover or daily 03:30 thefamilygrover whatever 03:30 kaeza (blame troller and his leveled node thingy) 03:31 Guest44161 i downloaded it from the ubuntu software center. would that not give me a current version? 03:31 thefamilygrover unfortunately, no 03:32 NakedFury wow man 0.3.1 is super old no wonder yuo where having big problems 03:32 Guest44161 and its recommended that we use the software center... 03:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan leveled node thingies suck, yes 03:32 Guest44161 so what do i do? 03:32 Menche add the PPA and you'll be able to install it from the software center 03:32 Menche only the name will be "minetestc55" 03:32 thefamilygrover that link that Vanessa posted a minute ago walks you through 03:32 VanessaE Guest44161: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 03:33 Menche even though "-c55" has since been removed from the official name... 03:33 VanessaE do that and yours will be up-to-date 03:33 Guest44161 ok, ill try that. 03:33 thefamilygrover Vanessa just shortened it for you - copy and paste what she typed 03:33 thefamilygrover semicolons and all 03:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no one is copy/pasting my colon, that's for sure 03:34 thefamilygrover man, it's 11:30 already 03:34 thefamilygrover you're just about due for a colonoscopy ain't ya, old guy? 03:34 Guest44161 i cant copy from here... 03:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you kiddin'? i wont even let a doctor wag a finger in my face XD 03:35 VanessaE guest: highlight, then middle-click to paste. 03:35 Guest44161 im using a touchpad, but thanks! 03:35 VanessaE left+right buttons at th sam time 03:35 Menche both buttons at once = left+right 03:35 Menche ninja'd 03:35 VanessaE that usually simulates a middle click 03:35 VanessaE hiYAH! :) 03:35 Guest44161 cool, lemme try that 03:35 thefamilygrover stimulates a whatnow? 03:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol 03:36 thefamilygrover oh, simulates 03:36 Menche and my response didn't even make sense :/ 03:36 Menche * both buttons at once = middle click 03:36 thefamilygrover really, both buttons = left+right? 03:36 thefamilygrover haha 03:36 Menche naaaah 03:36 VanessaE thefamilygrover: get your mind out of the sewer :) 03:37 Menche unless you have one of those STUPID touchpads where you push the entire thing down and don't have buttons >:( 03:37 Guest44161 didnt work, let me type it out 03:37 Menche a lot of newer computers have those things... 03:37 thefamilygrover d'oh 03:37 VanessaE guest: then do the usual highlight -> ctrl-C -> Ctrl-V 03:37 thefamilygrover the gutter, V - not quite the sewer yet 03:37 VanessaE heh 03:38 Mossmanikin Need some sleep, so see ya :) 03:38 thefamilygrover night moss 03:38 VanessaE ngith 03:38 VanessaE night* 03:38 kahrl I had one of those that had separate left and right buttons but would report bogus clicks when moving the cursor. Made me lose at mahjongg :/ 03:39 thefamilygrover what should I watch before bed tonight? 03:39 VanessaE Mary Poppins. :) 03:39 thefamilygrover thinking more horror or scifi 03:40 thefamilygrover or the funny 03:40 VanessaE Sci Fi? hm... 03:40 VanessaE Stealth, 03:40 VanessaE or Eagle Eye 03:40 kahrl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic 03:41 Guest44161 i grabbed my sons mouse, still didnt work. but i got it downloading now 03:42 thefamilygrover haha, that's awesome kahrl 03:42 Guest44161 do i need to remove the packages that are no longer needed? 03:44 Guest44161 okay, now what? 03:45 kaeza now start minetest :) 03:45 kaeza (Alt+F2 -> "minetestc55") 03:45 Guest44161 i did once already. it started the 3.1 version. do i need a retsart? 03:45 Menche remove the old one? 03:45 Guest44161 i didnt. dont know how, yet. 03:46 VanessaE did you remember to apt-get update; apt-get install minetestc55? 03:46 VanessaE (sudo both) 03:46 VanessaE if that doesn't work, sudo apt-get upgrade 03:47 Guest44161 i did all that 03:47 VanessaE can you pastebin the output from those commands? 03:47 VanessaE everything the terminal showed, from start to finish 03:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan sudo rm -rf / works too 03:48 VanessaE hush, kaeza 03:48 Guest44161 i havent patebinned in awhile, remind me how 03:48 VanessaE Khaaaaaaaaaaaan* 03:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol 03:48 kaeza wat 03:48 kaeza "sudo apt-get remove minetest" 03:48 VanessaE Guest44161: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ 03:48 kaeza ? 03:48 VanessaE just paste some text into there 03:48 VanessaE kaeza: tab-complete FAIL. 03:49 Guest44161 ok i pasted 03:49 VanessaE now submit it (the "Paste!" button at the bottom) and give us the address 03:49 Guest44161 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6249135/ 03:50 VanessaE ah 03:50 Guest44161 ah? 03:50 VanessaE you forgot to, sudo apt-get install minetestc55 03:50 VanessaE not minetest - minetestc55 03:50 VanessaE you need to uninstall the other one also 03:50 VanessaE so, 03:51 VanessaE sudo apt-get remove minetest; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 03:51 Menche why's the package called that? the "-c55" was removed from the official name some time ago. 03:51 VanessaE no clue, Menche 03:51 thefamilygrover ten bucks says guest's son has lost interest in minetest and is now off watching adventure time 03:51 VanessaE thefamilygrover: at this time of night? :) 03:51 kaeza lol 03:51 Guest44161 he's going to bed in a minute 03:51 VanessaE adventure time is an afternoon cartoon :) 03:51 kaeza :< 03:51 VanessaE (I think) 03:52 * thefamilygrover watches it late at night sometimes 03:52 thefamilygrover haha 03:52 VanessaE reruns? 03:52 thefamilygrover streaming 03:52 VanessaE ah 03:52 VanessaE I get all my stuff off the interwebs :) 03:52 VanessaE don't own a tv 03:52 thefamilygrover I run my computer through my tv these days 03:53 thefamilygrover 32" minetest is fun 03:53 VanessaE heh 03:53 thefamilygrover also, I'm 43 and my eyes aren't getting any younger 03:53 VanessaE I'm content to play it on my little 17" monitor :) 03:53 Guest44161 i dont have a working tv either 03:54 Guest44161 errors were encountered!!! oh no!!! 03:54 kaeza has anyone actually tested that stereothingy mode yet? 03:54 thefamilygrover that's because linux is easier guest! 03:54 VanessaE what errors? 03:54 VanessaE kaeza: anaglyph mode? 03:55 kaeza ...yes, that :P 03:55 VanessaE tried it. EPIC FAIL. 03:55 * Menche would definitely try 3d anaglyph... if he had those glasses. 03:55 kaeza aww 03:55 Guest44161 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6249154/ 03:56 VanessaE Guest44161: manually delete the offending files. 03:56 VanessaE ph wait 03:56 VanessaE apt-get remove minetest-common 03:56 VanessaE then install minetestc55 03:57 VanessaE (why was the old one separated into two packages?) 03:58 Guest44161 ummm.... 03:58 Menche minetestc55 should have those listed as conflicts 03:58 VanessaE Menche: you'd think so, but oh well 03:58 VanessaE Guest44161: yes? 03:58 Menche APT does support that, right? been a while since i used it 03:58 VanessaE Menche: sure it does 03:58 Menche pacman ftw! 03:59 VanessaE APT. 03:59 Guest44161 im sorry, im a newb, what is the question? 03:59 VanessaE pac-man indeed :) 03:59 VanessaE Guest44161: [10-17 00:04] ummm.... <--- umm, what? 03:59 Guest44161 yes? 03:59 kaeza ._. 03:59 VanessaE Guest44161: sudo apt-get remove minetest-common; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 03:59 Guest44161 forget it. thought i was being asked something 03:59 VanessaE that should get rid of the last of the old one and put the new one in. 04:00 Guest44161 ok, thanks, let me try that 04:00 thefamilygrover linux is easier, right VanessaE? :) 04:00 VanessaE thefamilygrover: it is when you know wtf you're doing ;) 04:00 thefamilygrover noe 04:00 thefamilygrover nope even 04:00 kaeza thefamilygrover, have fun compiling your little windows programs :D 04:00 VanessaE the sad part is I've been using Linux nearly since the beginning and BSD before that...and I still screw up :_ 04:00 VanessaE :) 04:01 thefamilygrover I don't need to compile em, kaeza, because someone's already done that for me 04:01 thefamilygrover also, I'm using a linux box right now, haha 04:01 VanessaE thefamilygrover: the critical part is the "knowing wtf you're doing" :) 04:01 * thefamilygrover knows nothing 04:01 * thefamilygrover sees nothing 04:02 Guest44161 i freely admit, i do not know wtf I am doing :) 04:02 thefamilygrover no worries 04:02 Guest44161 okay its done downloading 04:02 VanessaE ok good 04:02 VanessaE run it 04:02 VanessaE :) 04:02 thefamilygrover make it so 04:02 VanessaE Engage. 04:03 VanessaE Punch it. 04:03 VanessaE :) 04:03 thefamilygrover giv'er 04:03 kaeza 3..2..1.. 04:03 Guest44161 run it from terminal or open it in 04:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan number one 04:03 VanessaE run from the terminal for now 04:03 VanessaE if it works properly, you can just launch it from the menu i nthe uture. 04:03 VanessaE in the future* 04:03 thefamilygrover cut those fingernails V 04:03 Guest44161 sorry, whats the command to run it in terminal 04:03 VanessaE (epic typos today) 04:04 thefamilygrover ./minetest 04:04 VanessaE should just be minetst 04:04 VanessaE minetest 04:04 VanessaE not ./ 04:04 thefamilygrover or that 04:04 thefamilygrover fine 04:04 Guest44161 hey look at that! it works! 04:04 thefamilygrover sudo nohup ./minetestserver & 04:04 VanessaE yay! 04:04 VanessaE \o/ 04:04 thefamilygrover wooo 04:05 Menche why would you run minetestserver with sudo? 04:05 VanessaE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LQnWPVqSI 04:05 VanessaE you wouldn't :) 04:05 VanessaE I have a user account on my box for the purpose 04:06 kaeza why not? you get root! and you get root! everyone gets root! 04:06 * VanessaE hacks thefamilygrover's server and pokes around a bit in /proc 04:06 Guest44161 this is different 04:06 VanessaE Guest44161: yep, it's changed a great deal since 0.3.` 04:06 VanessaE 0.3.1* 04:07 Guest44161 ive actually only messedw it for about 5 mins. but my kid is a whiz at it. 04:07 Guest44161 which is why i asked for directions earlier 04:07 VanessaE I'd suggest you get your kid's copy updated as well 04:08 VanessaE use one of the "unofficial builds" links on the minetest.net downloads page 04:08 Guest44161 isnt his up to date w 4.7? 04:08 VanessaE his is 0.4.7-release 04:08 VanessaE yours is 0.4.7-git daily 04:08 VanessaE which is newer. 04:09 VanessaE it's very nearly 0.4.8 04:09 thefamilygrover the wait is driving me crazy 04:09 VanessaE yours supports some stuff that 0.4.7-release does not 04:09 Guest44161 lol, ok, tomorrow though. 04:09 Menche stop waiting and install the -git :) 04:09 thefamilygrover maybe tomorrow 04:09 thefamilygrover want a stable release, ya know 04:09 VanessaE NOW. 04:09 VanessaE :) 04:09 thefamilygrover haha 04:10 VanessaE you want stable? run 0.3.x :P 04:10 thefamilygrover maybe I will 04:10 Menche don't hate on 0.3.3 :) 04:10 Guest44161 so how do i play multiplayer? 04:10 thefamilygrover I dig the minetest classic fork 04:10 VanessaE Guest44161: use the "Client" menu. 04:10 * Menche plays minetest-classic 04:10 thefamilygrover it's at least fast on my old laptop 04:11 thefamilygrover unlike the new builds 04:11 VanessaE in there, you just enter an address, port, name, and password, or you can get the public list by clicking the checkbox near the bottom of the menu 04:11 Menche based on 0.3, but it's catching up feature-wise quickly 04:11 Guest44161 just pic an address from the public server list? 04:11 VanessaE yep 04:11 VanessaE that's all you gotta do, and put in a username and passwod 04:11 VanessaE password* 04:11 VanessaE make something up 04:11 VanessaE just be sure you record it somewhere 04:11 thefamilygrover use your banking password 04:11 VanessaE NOT 04:11 thefamilygrover bahaha 04:12 Guest44161 but that'll be someone elses world correct/ a strangers world? 04:12 VanessaE damn you are nuts tonight :) 04:12 VanessaE Guest44161: yes. 04:12 thefamilygrover exactly 04:12 Menche it *is* stored as a hash on the server, not in plaintext 04:12 VanessaE you can start a server yourself in the "Server" menu. 04:12 Guest44161 what if I just want to connect with him, not anyone else? 04:12 VanessaE or you can connect to your son's machine by plugging in his LAN IP into the Address/Port field. 04:13 thefamilygrover his has to be running obviously 04:13 VanessaE as long as his server is up and is listening for connections (which it usually will be), you can connect to it just like any third-party server 04:13 Guest44161 and i do this in the client tab? 04:13 VanessaE yes. 04:14 Guest44161 alright i gotta try this 04:14 VanessaE you give his LAN IP, port (probably 30000) and then username and password. 04:14 VanessaE as long as his server's up. 04:16 Guest44161 the ipv4 address is the correct address yes? 192.168.1.6 04:16 VanessaE should be 04:17 VanessaE that's the LAN IP I mentioned. 04:17 Guest44161 i just wanted to make sure I was reading the correct number 04:17 VanessaE yes 04:17 VanessaE as long as that's HIS address, not yours 04:17 VanessaE make sure you start the server on his machine first of course. 04:18 Guest44161 it came from his ipconfig results 04:18 VanessaE ok 04:18 VanessaE then that's the right one 04:19 Guest44161 it saw his number, so i double clicked it. it's taking its sweet time connecting i guess. 04:19 VanessaE it's receiving media probably. 04:20 VanessaE as long as it made it past the "Connecting" step 04:20 Guest44161 so could i do this very same thing while he is at his moms house, on her pc? 04:20 VanessaE sure 04:20 Guest44161 could i hack her pc? 04:20 VanessaE but you generally want to run one server somewhere that everyone connects to 04:20 VanessaE I doubt it. 04:21 Guest44161 its not past the connecting stage 04:21 VanessaE is your son's minetest runninf? 04:21 VanessaE running* 04:21 Guest44161 yep 04:21 VanessaE and it's open and in a world? 04:21 Guest44161 yep 04:21 VanessaE strange 04:22 Guest44161 when i saw that is sees his ip, it did have some extra digits added to it... 04:22 VanessaE the server probably did not start properly on the son's machine 04:22 VanessaE sees his IP? 04:22 thefamilygrover either that or the port isn't open on his windows firewall 04:22 VanessaE there's no confirmation that it can "see" an IP. 04:22 Guest44161 sorry, the extra digits are the port 04:22 VanessaE don't put the port number in the same field as the Address 04:23 Guest44161 it shows up on my favorites list 04:23 VanessaE oh ok 04:23 VanessaE figured that might be it 04:23 Guest44161 let me try it again 04:23 VanessaE check what thefamilygrover said, and then also check that you started the server on his box properly. 04:23 VanessaE (idk how win firewalls work) 04:24 thefamilygrover win 7 firewall is a beast 04:24 VanessaE btw, why grover and not grog? 04:25 VanessaE been watching sesame street? :) 04:25 thefamilygrover oh, practising my one-man band tonight 04:25 VanessaE oh ok 04:25 thefamilygrover named Mississippi Grover 04:26 thefamilygrover man, does my machine ever work hard when it's compiling minetest 04:26 VanessaE yup 04:26 thefamilygrover the fan is a whirring 04:26 * thefamilygrover is not compiling git 04:26 VanessaE I do make -j8 and it still takes a few mins (six 2.8GHz cores) 04:26 thefamilygrover holy crap 04:26 Guest44161 okay, i had to change a number but ive got it now 04:27 VanessaE Guest44161: you can connect to it? 04:27 Guest44161 thanks Vanessa, and everyone else! 04:27 VanessaE yay! 04:27 VanessaE \o\ 04:27 Guest44161 yep im there 04:27 Guest44161 this is cool! 04:27 VanessaE /o/ 04:27 thefamilygrover you're welcome guest - have fun with yer boy 04:27 Guest44161 thanks y'all :) 04:27 VanessaE you're welcome 04:27 VanessaE Guest44161: come back when you're ready for the next step :) 04:28 thefamilygrover this machine is an old pentium D I recycled from work 04:28 VanessaE (installing mods) 04:28 Guest44161 oh gosh, whats that? 04:28 thefamilygrover haha 04:28 thefamilygrover it has 5 GB of ram, but it's still a clunker 04:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan give her the pentium D 04:28 Guest44161 oh, okay. i have heard of them, I think my kid knows what they are 04:28 VanessaE Guest44161: minetest has an extensive, well-documented, officially-sanctioned modding community 04:28 VanessaE nearly anything you could want is probably available. 04:28 VanessaE and if it ain't, you can code it 04:29 Guest44161 i noticed that earlier. Anything huh? hehe 04:29 VanessaE almost :) 04:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yay theres a new episode of law and order - sexual victims unit 04:29 VanessaE well don't expect to use your minetest install for Alchemy or lottery predictions.. :) 04:29 Guest44161 i'll look into it tomorrow im sure. The kid is gonna be all over me on this now. 04:30 VanessaE good luck 04:30 VanessaE have fun 04:30 VanessaE thefamilygrover: 5GB? 04:30 Guest44161 im signing out and heading to sleep. Thanks again y'all :) 04:30 VanessaE good night, Guest44161 04:30 thefamilygrover yes 5 04:31 thefamilygrover something strange about that? 04:31 VanessaE well I'm not used to seeing machines with an odd measure like that 04:31 VanessaE 4 or 6, but 5? seems strange 04:31 thefamilygrover recycled is the key word 04:31 VanessaE right 04:31 VanessaE didn't think about that 04:31 thefamilygrover 2+2+512+512 04:31 * VanessaE imagines 5GB of old DIMMs stacked up :) 04:32 thefamilygrover It's my frankenputer 04:32 thefamilygrover If you're a fan of Game of Thrones, you need to watch this: http://youtu.be/5Krz-dyD-UQ 04:33 VanessaE I used to work for a company years ago that made adapters for using old 30-pin SIMMs in machines designed for 72-pin parts, and I think they'd just started getting into DIMMs also 04:33 VanessaE not into game of throns 04:34 VanessaE thrones( 04:34 VanessaE *sigh* 04:41 arsdragonfly_ How could my nickname be unavailable? 04:41 VanessaE good question. /ns release arsdragonfly 04:42 Menche or ghost or regain 04:42 arsdragonfly_ it says command unknown... 04:43 Menche /msg NickServ regain arsdragonfly [password] 04:43 Menche or /msg NickServ ghost arsdragonfly 04:43 arsdragonfly_ what's that feature about? 04:59 VanessaE bbl, bedtime 05:12 paramat blue smarties for Dan D http://i.imgur.com/yneD89i.png 06:35 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix object duplication bug (at least in the most reproducible UFO case) b3591019ad 2013-10-16T14:10:16-07:00 http://git.io/rLIxyA 06:47 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add sanity checks to vector functions e232f7311f 2013-10-16T23:42:57-07:00 http://git.io/cxo8Zw 06:47 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Remove vector metatable setting 12504a18ec 2013-10-16T23:41:01-07:00 http://git.io/G6G5Kg 08:56 JamesTait Good morning all; happy World Poverty Day and, of course, happy Ubuntu 13.10 Release Day! :-D 11:57 Evergreen Hello! 11:59 FreeFull Hi 12:06 kaeza mornings 12:08 sfan5 hi everyone 12:18 Dan_D Can wool be made back into string? 12:19 Dan_D Oh and afk 12:28 Dan_D ? 12:28 kaeza ¿ 12:28 Dan_D Can it? 12:36 Dan_D Basically, any way to get string other than growing even more cotton plants? 12:43 Dan_D Hellooooooo 13:57 Dan_D Any way to get string, other than cotton plants? 14:04 Dan_D Nio? 14:04 Dan_D *No? 14:05 PaulHarris sup 14:12 Dan_D VanessaE, you here? 14:14 VanessaE I am now 14:14 VanessaE just sat down *rubs eyes& 14:15 Dan_D Can you install pushable block on your server? 14:15 Dan_D It has more features than Pa'sminecart mod, and is inter-compatable 14:15 Dan_D And is not as buggy 14:16 VanessaE no 14:16 Dan_D Why? 14:16 VanessaE because the server already has enough mods for now? :) 14:16 Dan_D What? No way! 14:17 Dan_D Never enough mods! 14:18 VanessaE heh 14:18 Dan_D Really I mean it 14:18 Dan_D I am re-vitalizing another mod right now, ready for use on YOUR server! 14:18 VanessaE well seriously though, pushable block won't have any less bugs than minecarts, be cause most of that mod's deficiencies come from bugs in the way entities are handled, and from lag 14:18 Dan_D Ok 14:19 Dan_D How can I make a certain bit of code only load with a certain setting in a settings.txt? 14:20 Dan_D And, in a bit, I may ask you to update Castle. Maybe. In a bit. 14:21 VanessaE um 14:21 Dan_D ie, something to do with getbool and a settings.txt? 14:22 VanessaE if minetest.setting_getbool("my_setting") == somevalue then ....code..... end 14:22 VanessaE that ^^^^ will look in minetest.conf 14:22 Dan_D Ok 14:22 Exio4 settings.txt? 14:22 Exio4 wut 14:22 VanessaE otherwise, just make your config file as a bunch of Lua variable = value expressions and dofile() it, 14:23 Dan_D Ok 14:23 VanessaE getbool tests for true/false though 14:23 Dan_D Ok 14:23 VanessaE so somevalie has to be nil, false, or true 14:23 Dan_D So how o I make the lua file variant? 14:23 Dan_D And how do I get the true/false value for it? 14:28 VanessaE eh? 14:29 VanessaE just put things like, 14:29 VanessaE myvariable = true 14:29 VanessaE somesetting = "foo" 14:29 VanessaE and then dofile it. 14:29 VanessaE literally, treat it as if it's just more Lua code. 14:30 Dan_D Ok 14:30 VanessaE or use the minetest.conf method 14:30 Dan_D Ok... 14:30 VanessaE minetest.setting_get("foo") and minetest.setting_getbool("bar") 14:30 VanessaE the former gets any value, the latter is for true/false (hence, boolean) 14:33 Dan_D Still won't seem to work. I will pastebin. 14:34 Dan_D http://pastebin.com/HMUHcbPM 14:34 Dan_D It just has no effect 14:37 Dan_D Hello? 14:38 VanessaE Dan_D: btw, it was Sokomine who added those decorations to the reactor building. 14:38 Dan_D Ok 14:38 VanessaE so they stay, as she and Shadow built it originally. 14:38 Dan_D But why won't the above code work? 14:38 Dan_D Although I made the building 14:38 VanessaE oh right, yes you did, 14:38 Dan_D But about the code, it works without all the settings stuff. 14:38 VanessaE well anyway work it out with her and Shadow, 14:39 VanessaE about the code... 14:39 Dan_D I don't mind, wasjust saying incase of griefing 14:39 VanessaE well if the setting is not present in the config, I guess it'll be false by defauly 14:39 Dan_D But it is there in the init.lua 14:39 VanessaE that doesn't matter. 14:40 VanessaE that ^^^ call only reads from minetest.conf 14:40 Dan_D minetest.setting_get doesn't either 14:40 VanessaE the whole purpose of it is to let you define game-wide settings 14:40 VanessaE both of those calls, silly 14:40 Dan_D doesn't work I mean 14:40 Dan_D SO how do I make it work? 14:40 VanessaE I just told you 14:41 Dan_D Err, no. 14:41 VanessaE they only read from minetest.conf 14:41 VanessaE so put your setting there. 14:41 Dan_D Oh right 14:41 VanessaE duh :) 14:41 VanessaE oh excuse me, derp :P 14:41 VanessaE (gotta keep with the times ;) ) 14:42 Dan_D Nope, still has no effect 14:43 Dan_D So, now what? Just make it non-configurable I guess. 14:44 VanessaE so now you debug your code of course. 14:44 VanessaE just because it isn't working for you yet doesn't mean it won't. 14:44 VanessaE you're just doing it wrong. 14:45 Dan_D Everything works fine, just adding that settings thing stops the code having any effect 14:45 VanessaE minetest.conf --> my_setting = true 14:45 Dan_D Nope, as I said, no effect 14:45 VanessaE if minetest.setting_getbool("my_setting") then..... code.... end 14:45 Dan_D And I won't bother, unless the mod can automatically add that to minetest.conf 14:46 VanessaE then just set it as a normal variable at the top of init.lua and compare it like any other variable. 14:46 VanessaE or like I said already, put your settings in a separate config file, dofile() them, and do your comparisons like normal 14:46 Dan_D That is what I have been trying to do the whole f**cking time! 14:46 VanessaE look at how piprworks and moretrees do it. 14:46 Dan_D I have and don't understand a bit of it 14:47 VanessaE ok one more time: 14:47 Dan_D Don't bother 14:47 VanessaE Put. your. settings. in. a. separate. file. 14:47 VanessaE dofile() it. 14:47 VanessaE compare your variables like normal. 14:47 VanessaE that's it! 14:47 VanessaE that's all you have to freakin do :) 14:48 Dan_D But I don't know how to compare them for god's sake! 14:48 VanessaE yes you do 14:48 VanessaE you do it all the time already 14:48 VanessaE if my_variable == some value then ...code... end 14:48 VanessaE derp. 14:49 Dan_D That is what I did, and it HAD NO EFFECT! LIKE I TOLDYOU! 14:49 VanessaE then you never loaded the setting. 14:49 VanessaE you have to dofile() the settings before you try to use them. 14:49 VanessaE and if it had no effect that's because you're doing it wrong 14:50 VanessaE show me some code where you're trying to dofile() the variables. 14:50 VanessaE and I can tell you where it went wrong 14:51 Dan_D What do you meandofile it?Dofile to the new code, or settings,or what? 14:51 * VanessaE pours a bucket of water on dan's overheating head to cool him off 14:52 VanessaE I mean, mymod = minetest.get_modpath("name of the mod") ; dofile(mymod.."/my_settings_file.txt") 14:52 Dan_D I never knew you could dofile a settings.txt, I thought it only worked for lua. 14:53 VanessaE it works for any file as long as what it contains is valid Lua code 14:53 VanessaE the file extension does not matter. 14:55 Dan_D Right, NOW it works. 14:55 Exio4 . 14:55 Exio4 oh man 14:56 VanessaE Dan_D: as I said before, derp. :) 14:56 Dan_D No, you hadn't properly explained 14:56 VanessaE or as Robin Williams so eloquently put it, "Fucking DUH!" :) 14:56 VanessaE yes I did 14:56 VanessaE you just didn't understand. 14:56 Dan_D I have to go 14:56 VanessaE G*D DAMN IT! 14:56 VanessaE I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT@! 14:57 Jordach 14:57 Jordach and here we see - the natural home of VanessaE, raging over people leaving 14:58 VanessaE hah 14:58 VanessaE no, merely raging over people who can't be bothered to make time for a discussion that they themselves initiated 14:58 Exio4 i don't understand how you didn't say "meh, get the fuck out and try to read properly" 14:59 Exio4 you have too much patience 14:59 * Jordach hands VanessaE a 52 card deck 14:59 Exio4 zat: lamefun was a guy that came here saying JS > Lua for a modding api and shits like that 14:59 Jordach now play patience 15:00 Exio4 suggested switching from lua to js would be the way to go, he said! :P 15:01 zat Would be a good idea 15:01 VanessaE there's a REASON I'm that patient 15:01 VanessaE because so many others here are not. 15:02 VanessaE zat: lamefun believes that open source is dead, that javascript and HTML5 will be all there is, and that only large corps should be allowed to code 15:02 zat open source dead? 15:02 VanessaE yeah 15:02 zat come on, no more tumors plz 15:02 kaeza lol 15:03 zat However, HTML5 and Javascript are both open technologies... 15:03 zat And Javscript is not only meant for browsers. 15:03 pitriss please is possible to pass more variables into minetest.register_on_chat_message() ? 15:03 kaeza zat, BTW, from Chile? :3 15:03 zat Yes I am kaeza 15:04 VanessaE zat: the problem is compiling. He doesn't think stuff should need to be compiled to the degree that e.g. C++ is 15:04 VanessaE and that those not-really-compiled languages like js are every bit as fast as C++ 15:04 zat VanessaE: Suggest him to live coding in Java then 15:04 zat ...in a big corporation. 15:04 VanessaE one day I think he'll learn. 15:05 zat Sounds like python fanboys that say python is superior to C. 15:05 VanessaE hah 15:05 VanessaE hardly. 15:05 zat and refuse to understand python interpreter IS made in C 15:05 zat They even make comparisons of Python vs C LOL 15:06 kaeza everything ends up in the same pool anyway: machine code 15:06 VanessaE exactly 15:06 VanessaE unless you've got a CPU that can natively execute java or something... 15:06 zat My gf says she is going to learn python everytime she wants to annoy me 15:07 VanessaE and even THEN there's still a low-level machine code running in the CPU for that (i.e. microcode) 15:07 Jordach Python is coded in binary 15:07 Jordach :> 15:07 zat All is binary... 15:08 zat except things outside computer... 15:12 zat Well, talking about the Javascript thing, sure would be interesting but I don’t know the implications of including something like v8. 15:12 zat V8 is not strictly free. 15:17 NakedFury V8 is also a delicious juice drink. Also not free. 15:18 zat e 15:20 Exio4 zat: his idea was that luajit, the way for making lua fast, is a dead thing based on the fact that is "somewhat" an one-man project instead of a corp-sponsored proj 15:20 Exio4 yet i'm against using JS 15:20 zat bah, PHP was a one-man project for long... look at it now. 15:20 zat A good reason to be against JS Exio4? 15:20 VanessaE yes, that too Exio4 15:20 zat JS is just a language... 15:21 Exio4 this rant is a short of what i mostly think http://sealedabstract.com/rants/why-mobile-web-apps-are-slow/ 15:21 Exio4 not mine tho 15:23 Exio4 i think it is a general problem 15:24 zat At a quick glance seems that all thats about is that JS is slower than a compiled language, a fact we all know. 15:24 Exio4 http://exio4.com.ar/mt/sapier/performance_comparison_pathfinding.pdf 15:24 reactor o/ 15:24 Exio4 luajit ends is in the a complex case, faster than COMPILED (but unoptimized) C++ 15:25 Exio4 anyway 15:25 reactor Why not use C? 15:25 Exio4 i don't like its syntax much either, and yet it seems too complex for a modding api 15:25 reactor Come on, it's a UNIX game. 15:25 kaeza JS is not bad per-se; as python, it has it's uses, but people tend to use these for the wrong things 15:26 Exio4 true kaeza 15:26 reactor If people can not learn C, they should stay away from computers. 15:26 Exio4 reactor: C means compiled, aka non-portable mods between different archs, and yet it means harder-to-write-mods-to, if you want an example, look at the log of today, Dan_D 15:27 reactor If people can not learn FORTRAN, let alone C* 15:27 kaeza lol fortran 15:27 reactor So what, compile mods like you compile ghe game. 15:27 zat that concept is terribly wrong Exio4. C is portable between archs. 15:27 reactor s/ghe/the/ 15:27 Exio4 i mean binary-portable 15:27 reactor What, FORTRAN is easier than C. 15:27 Exio4 can you run x86 binaries under ARM? 15:28 zat Better say, C needs to be compiled, that is all 15:28 Exio4 or x86_64 under mips? ;) 15:28 reactor Why not compile mods? 15:28 reactor You still have to compile the game. 15:28 Exio4 most people here doesn't compile the game but uses pre-compiled binaries 15:28 zat Exio4: C is portable, it is a language... if you compile something for a single architecture, THAT is not portable. 15:28 reactor If the game itself was interpreted language, that would make sense. 15:28 kaeza using C for the mod API would only make sense if you had more control over the engine 15:28 reactor So what, developers will make pre-compiled images. 15:28 kaeza otherwise it's kust restricted like what we have now 15:28 Exio4 zat: i know 15:28 reactor Like they do for the game. 15:28 reactor Eh. 15:29 kaeza just* 15:30 zat Make a well abstracted C++ API for mods, have an official repository of the mods, binary compatible, in i686 and x86_64, from where the game can fetch the mods. 15:30 Exio4 reactor: x86_64 build, x86 build, arm build, mips build, etc 15:30 reactor So bloody what? 15:30 Exio4 you can run the server under an arm server without problems 15:30 Exio4 er 15:30 reactor You distribute compiled MT for each arch. 15:30 reactor So what's the big deal? 15:30 Exio4 i mean, for developing 15:30 kaeza the main issue with MT ATM, is the lack of more client-side prediction 15:31 reactor Besides, I heard there are C interpreters. 15:31 kaeza even if you created a C++ mod API, everything is server-side 15:31 reactor Oh, the clients need to execute parts of the mod? 15:31 Exio4 yeah 15:32 reactor Well, eh. 15:32 Exio4 that would be the easier way for making the client-side prediction, reactor 15:32 reactor There are interpreted languages with C-like syntax, afaik. 15:32 kaeza reactor, yes 15:32 kaeza AngelScript 15:32 reactor Or even C interpreters. 15:33 reactor What OS do most MT players use? 15:33 kaeza $hitdows ? 15:33 zat Wintendo*! 15:33 reactor You're kidding, right? 15:33 Exio4 no 15:34 Exio4 btw 15:34 Exio4 there are only x86 minetest windows build in minetest.net 15:34 reactor I thought Wintendo users play Minecraft, as they are ignorant. 15:34 Exio4 lol 15:34 kaeza hah 15:34 reactor Right... because UNIX users should know how to compile. 15:35 Exio4 suddenly: ubuntu 15:35 reactor And C should be familar to UNIX users. 15:36 reactor Exio4: yeah. Ubuntu is a problem. 15:36 zat What got this to do with *using* mods. 15:37 zat Developers are the ones to be familiar with C. 15:37 reactor Nothing. 15:37 reactor But that would make it easier for users to edit them. 15:40 zat Users would not even touch lua code 15:42 reactor Yes. Just because it's unfamiliar to most. 15:43 zat I think you should not assume users can code, assume users can just play and click on guis 15:44 reactor Those monkeys who _just_ click on guis weren't supposed to be using computers, at all. 15:45 reactor s/weren't/aren't/ 15:45 zat You are calling my mom a monkey. 15:45 reactor Because of them we've run out of Internet numbers. 15:45 werwerwer_ i personally would prefer modify hardly understandible lua, than well known C which i need to compile after that 15:45 zat and leaving her with no rights to use her netbook for her job 15:46 reactor Alright. Not monkeys. But who said jobs that do not have to do anything with mathematics should rely on computers? 15:46 Exio4 it is now used like a cell phone 15:48 reactor Ha. Those who use computers only like a cell phone would definitely not play any game that is as complex. 15:50 zat reactor: so writers, historians and graphical designers should not rely in computers? 15:50 zat horrible logic~ 15:50 FreeFull Users in general isn't very specific 15:50 FreeFull Every kind of software will have a different set of users 15:51 reactor zat: yes, humanitarians aren't supposed to touch technology. It becomes worse every time they do touch it. 15:51 reactor They're our plague. 15:51 twoelk worse for whom? 15:51 zat for his ego for sure 15:51 reactor For programmers. 15:52 Exio4 http://i.imgur.com/UUKkglJ.jpg 15:52 twoelk ah cars should only be driven by technic experts 15:52 zat Most pedantic nerds think similarly. 15:52 twoelk books shpuld only be read by poets 15:52 reactor Don't you call me one. 15:52 Exio4 what is your age btw? 15:52 reactor twoelk: when they aren't, they get worse. 15:52 twoelk food should uonly be eaten by cooks 15:53 reactor You see what they've made to cars, too. 15:54 reactor s/made/done/ 15:54 twoelk irc should only be used by those that can spell .... oops 15:54 reactor Well, not experts. But at least _knowing_ what they do. 15:54 reactor Most don't know what they do. 15:54 zat Yes, they should all be as superior as you 15:54 zat ;= 15:54 zat ;) 15:55 reactor I'm talking from abstract point of view, zat. 15:55 Exio4 if people actually read messages that there are, i would be fine 15:56 Evolykane Hi 15:56 twoelk so if minetest should only be played by those that understand the code ... we have how many players? 15:56 Exio4 well, i don't know how to say the shit 15:56 Exio4 hi Evolykane 15:56 kaeza hi Evolykane 15:56 VanessaE hi 15:56 Evolykane what are you discussing about? 15:56 twoelk oh wait most coders hardly play the game regulary 15:56 VanessaE random :) 15:56 Evolykane Ok 15:56 Exio4 if we like kittens or not 15:56 kaeza offtopic, as always 15:57 kaeza Minetest is offtopic in #minetest ,didn't you know? 15:57 Evolykane Hm maby I make a how to Code Mods for Mintest Video 15:57 kaeza :P 15:57 VanessaE If you think you can do it, go for it 15:59 Evolykane It would be a promotion for my Channel, If my Video whould be put onto the Homepage and Minetest would have more Persons who could Code 15:59 Evolykane The Problem is my bad english, I'm german 16:00 VanessaE publish your video in the forum 16:00 zat subtitles 16:00 zat lol 16:00 Exio4 my english is shit too! 16:00 reactor The scene with subtitles in Austin Powers. 16:00 * Exio4 highfives Evolykane 16:01 reactor Error. 16:01 reactor I mean, the scene from Austin Powers mocking subtitles. 16:01 * Evolykane goes crazy 16:04 reactor Evolykane: would you like to talk about it? 16:04 Evolykane Hm, ok 16:06 Evolykane I understand the source code of mintest (C++) better than the Lua Api, How can you make GUI changes in this dhamn Lua 16:06 VanessaE via formspecs 16:06 VanessaE and HUD commands/code 16:07 Evolykane NI 16:12 VanessaE NI? 16:13 Evolykane No Idea 16:13 VanessaE oh 16:13 reactor Right, Evolykane. LUA is obscure. 16:13 VanessaE well that's how it's done. 16:13 zat search for formspec minetest 16:13 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 16:13 zat in a search engine lol 16:13 VanessaE formspecs are explained to some degree there 16:13 Evolykane An API ducomentation? 16:13 VanessaE yep 16:13 VanessaE minetest has an official modding API 16:13 VanessaE this ain't minecraft. 16:13 zat I think: minetest.show_formspect("size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]"); 16:14 zat I mean: minetest.show_formspec("size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]"); 16:19 kaeza actually, minetest.show_formspec(player_name, form_name, "size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]") 16:19 zat I forgot the first two D: 16:20 kaeza form_name is useful when you have more than one form using the same button names, or just to check if this form is our form when receiving the fields 16:21 kaeza this can also help a bit: https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress 16:28 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 16:28 NakedFury hello to you 16:28 zat Hi Pilz. 16:29 reactor "hi2u" 16:29 reactor s/hi/hai/ 16:34 VanessaE hey Pilz. ;) 16:36 Exio4 hi PilzAdam 16:36 Exio4 writing "Pi" and pressing tab is faster than "Pilz" 16:36 reactor Shit. 16:36 NakedFury ohh nice it works 16:36 NakedFury so thats how you autocomplete names 16:37 reactor Only now I realised he's PilzAdam not PlizAdam. 16:38 Exio4 NakedFury: didn't you know? :P 16:38 NakedFury I cant do the same 2 letter+tab for vanessa 16:38 NakedFury no. you thought me something useful 16:38 VanessaE Exio4: way to spoil the joke :) 16:38 NakedFury Professor Exio4 16:40 reactor Processor. 16:41 Evolykane Pilz hates it if you call him Pilz \(^.^)/ (:-P) 16:42 reactor I thought his name was a pun on "Please". 16:43 reactor Adam, please! 16:43 Evolykane Pilz is moushroom in english 16:45 reactor German? 16:45 VanessaE yes, which was the joke :) 16:45 VanessaE I was just teasing. way to totally kill it. 16:46 VanessaE [10-17 12:11] i'm okay with removing the automatically generated names 16:46 VanessaE [10-17 12:38] just dont allow to start connecting without filling name 16:46 VanessaE [10-17 12:39] that's the KISS solution and will work 16:46 VanessaE gah, wrong channel. 16:47 Jordach NakedFury, quassel auto complete does the first nick to speak, so if i do Va then tab, VanessaE comes first then Vadtec 16:48 Jordach quassel is way better than x-chat, i don't see why people are using it 16:48 Jordach aren't* 16:48 reactor graphical IRC clients are crap. 16:48 Jordach the core can even be used like a bouncer 16:48 reactor Who needs GUI to do that. 16:48 Exio4 weechat > quassel 16:49 Exio4 Jordach: does quassel have a scripting api? 16:49 PilzAdam xchat > weechat, thus xchat > quassel 16:49 Exio4 did you ever use weechat? :P 16:50 PilzAdam why would I use inferior software? 16:51 Exio4 for being able to say it is inferior? 16:51 Jordach jesus fuck; april 2012: logged in 140 times in one day 16:51 reactor And who's the nerd? 16:52 * Jordach says goodbye to the FPS; http://i.imgur.com/WScbi4Z.png 16:52 reactor Hah. 16:52 reactor Thanks for reminding me. 16:52 reactor The texture of player's hand is ugly. 16:53 * Jordach is also grumpy at the school machines: they can handle minetest on Intel HD 2000 at 1080p on OpenGL with all the settings, and with 60fps 16:53 reactor Looks like it hasn't been maintained for ages. 16:53 reactor I mean, the hand. 16:54 Jordach reactor, minetest-classic: http://stuff.ltmnet.com/images/mt/arm2.png 16:55 reactor I'm fine with flat hand. I'm talking about the texture. 16:55 reactor It doesn't even look like a hand. 16:55 jemadux is there some difference with minecraft ? 16:56 kaeza MT is to MC as Windows is to Unix 16:56 kaeza :) 16:56 reactor How MTC is different from MT? 16:56 reactor s/MTC is/is MTC/ 16:56 kaeza the other way around, but you get the point 16:58 Jordach reactor, less buggy, faster 16:58 Jordach and mobs 16:58 reactor kaeza: mk 16:58 reactor Oops. 16:58 reactor Jordach: mk. 16:58 reactor Is the map format compatible? 16:58 Jordach no 16:58 reactor Is there worldedit? 16:59 Jordach no 16:59 reactor Is there possibilty of porting maps from MC? 16:59 Jordach no 16:59 reactor Pwned. 16:59 reactor Jordach: gotcha. 16:59 Jordach remind me to disable ShadowBot later 16:59 Exio4 we both have WE 17:00 Jordach s/disable/Syn flood 17:00 Jordach im joking 17:09 rubenwardy Hi all 17:15 kaeza hey rubenwardy 17:19 markveidemanis he kicks? 17:20 jemadux where to find coil on minetest 17:20 jemadux s/coil/coal 17:21 kaeza underground 17:22 jemadux thanks 17:38 jemadux kaeza: when u say undergound ? 17:39 VanessaE dig for it. 17:39 VanessaE it can be found in fairly shallow ground, embedded in stone. 17:39 Jordach diggy diggy hole 18:05 jemadux i think that i will try to play mc 18:32 reactor john_minetest: o/ 18:54 rubenwardy bye all 19:03 Dan_D Anyone here good with HUDs? 19:04 Dan_D If so, can someone tell me what to change in this code to make it be at the top-right of the screen instead of bottom left? Thanks! https://github.com/DanDuncombe/bubblegumgps PS The mod is by leetelate 19:06 Dan_D Never mind, worked it out now 19:18 Mossmanikin Hi folks 19:19 Dan_D Can a moderator move this to mod releases please? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=114617#p114617 19:20 sapier1 Dan_D there's a move request thread in releases 19:20 Dan_D But no-one ever moves my threads if I ask there 19:20 sapier1 do they complie to requirements for beeing moved? 19:21 Dan_D Yes, I think so 19:22 Dan_D Although I have forgotten to add depends to the above topic 19:23 sapier1 add it ... I don't know how fast moderators are but they won't check twice if it wasn't correct once 19:24 Dan_D I have added Depends now 19:25 sapier1 ok seems core devs have become lazy the last months ... I just can't blame them I haven't had that much time the last weeks too 19:26 Dan_D With the above mod, how would I go about making it so that you only get the gps screen when holding something like bubblegumgps:gps 19:26 PilzAdam sapier1, not having time has nothing to do with lazyness 19:27 sapier1 to ppl not knowing what's case it usually has same effect ;-) 19:27 PilzAdam not typing out words like "people" is lazyness 19:27 sapier1 no its efficiency 19:27 sapier1 ;-) 19:27 Evergreen Hi Mossmanikin 19:28 sapier1 but we both aren't native english speakers maybe we schouldn't discuss about bias of some words ;-) 19:28 Jordach hey Evergreen 19:29 Evergreen I'm sorry to anyone who talks like this, but I hate it when people talk like texts 19:29 Evergreen Like using "U" instead of "you" 19:29 VanessaE indeed 19:29 PilzAdam y u no like? 19:29 Evergreen ^ Prime example right there 19:29 Mossmanikin Evergreen: Hi Evergreen :) 19:30 Evergreen I don't know, must be OCD or something 19:30 us{0gb sapier1, no, it's laziness. 19:31 sapier1 ok I studied science of lazyness so thats obviously fine for me ;-) 19:31 us{0gb THat, and it makes it hard to read. 19:31 Peacock i wouldn't talk about lazyness lol how many people here have jobs? :P 19:31 sapier1 I do ;-P 19:31 us{0gb I have a job. And school. 19:31 Peacock you're in the minority :P 19:32 us{0gb Yeah, I'm a minority for several other reasons as well. Nothing new. 19:32 VanessaE I don't care for txt speak either, but I find myself using it a lot lately. 19:32 sapier1 ok so I'm the lazy guy with job and master degree in science of lazyness ... :-) perfect 19:32 VanessaE laziness, mostly. 19:32 Peacock rba and hmm work too, but apart from that, can't name many off the top of my head lol 19:33 us{0gb I think I saw something about Celeron having a job, but I'm not sure. 19:33 Peacock besides, people use shortcuts for a variety of reasons, among others, RSI 19:33 us{0gb WHat is "RSI"? 19:33 Peacock repetitive strain injury 19:33 Peacock (carpel tunnel, cysts, etc.) 19:34 us{0gb Okay, you have a point with that one, but I don't think people take that into account usually. 19:34 Peacock another reason, this is a game, so people are on the leisure time, not writing formal correspondence :p 19:34 us{0gb Unless repetitive strain injury is the reason you're doing it, you can't use it as an excuse. 19:35 us{0gb That second one is not a valid excuse. 19:35 Peacock i switch the mouse on each side every other week because of RSI :P 19:35 sapier1 "people" is a word whos keyboard placement is way toooo different to ppl 19:35 Peacock it's perfectly valid, that people use their leisure time to be anal about others' typing habits, now that seems somewhat sadder :P 19:35 us{0gb It makes it very hard to read. SO while you are not spending as much time typing, you're making others spend more time deciphering what you wrote. 19:36 us{0gb *So 19:36 sapier1 I'd have to correct that damn word 3 times to get it right once ;-) 19:36 Peacock no one's forcing you to read text you find ill formed :P 19:36 Peacock you can always play the game, ignore them, play another game lol 19:36 Dan_D How do I get the wielded item? 19:36 us{0gb And if I ignore ill-formed text, I can't follow the conversation, so yeah, basically they are. 19:37 Jordach ~4 weeks until OpenShot for windows! 19:37 us{0gb Dan_D, hold on, I'll look it up. 19:37 Peacock maybe you're just incapable of having a good time :P 19:37 Jordach BlockMen, #minetest-classic 19:37 BlockMen Jordach, https://www.dropbox.com/s/m45xvbyywhtxw1j/minetest-classic-17102013.zip 19:37 Dan_D Thanks 19:37 Jordach oh, thanks 19:37 us{0gb I have a good time, I just don't find hard-to-read text to be a good time. 19:37 sapier1 player:get_wielded_item() 19:37 Dan_D Thanks 19:37 Jordach you're lucky BlockMen 19:37 Jordach i almost got it to work 19:37 Jordach i just needed jthread.lib 19:38 Peacock well if youre not having a good time why subject yourself to it or anyone else to lectures about it? there are other leisure activities :P 19:38 Menche isn't jthread bundled with it? 19:38 BlockMen Jordach, since when are you building too? 19:38 sapier1 yes you can't use system jthread with minetest 19:38 us{0gb I'm not lecturing. I'm siding with Evergreen. 19:38 sapier1 minetest has some modifications to it 19:39 us{0gb Evergreen made a statement, I agreed, then explained my reasoning. Nothing more. 19:39 Peacock well being anal about typing habits dont really change typing habits, it just makes people seek out happier communities elsewhere :P 19:39 us{0gb I don't get on people about typing habits unless someone brings it up. 19:39 BlockMen oh..and what is my zobie doin Jordach? :P 19:40 BlockMen +m 19:40 us{0gb I fail to see how that is being "anal". 19:40 sapier1 I see good reasons for evergreens opinion too :-) but I'm still to lazy to change my way of typing ppl 19:40 Evergreen I shouldn't have brought it up 19:40 Evergreen :P 19:40 Peacock in any case, geeks being anal about anything and everything ain't exactly new lol 19:40 us{0gb No worries. THis things should be discussed. 19:41 us{0gb *these 19:41 Peacock i fail to see how anal should be in quotes, it's common vernacular for ppl with social lives lol 19:41 Peacock and coworkers XD 19:41 us{0gb I fail to see how stubbornness has anything to do with the anus. Hence, the quotes. 19:42 Peacock ever heard the expression having a stick up one's ass, that's what being anal is 19:43 Peacock you just take it too literally :P 19:43 Menche lol 19:43 us{0gb Yea, I've heard it, and I rather dislike that phrase. Stubborness has nothing to do with heads up asses. 19:43 * Menche never got that phrase either 19:43 us{0gb In fact, stubbornness is often a good thing. A head up an ass in not. 19:43 Peacock having one's head up one's ass means cluelessness, having a stick up one's ass means they take issue with everything/anything 19:44 Peacock yeah how's that stubborness working out for your gov't ? :P 19:44 us{0gb When someone says someone else's head is up their ass, it's usually because the sayer doesn't want to make a valid argument but wants to win the argument anyway. 19:45 Peacock oh yeah it's definately ad hominem, fact remains, taking the time to point out ppl should be typed as people, is nonetheless, still anal lol 19:45 us{0gb They also use phrases such as "you need to grow up" for the same purpose. 19:45 us{0gb I disagree. 19:45 Peacock grown up people don't have time to waste correcting spelling and grammar, they got way more going on lol 19:46 us{0gb THough I wouldn't do it myself, I appreciate when others point that out. 19:46 us{0gb Accidental spelling and grammar are one thing. Intentional misspelling is another, and is worth pointing out. 19:47 us{0gb I have grown weary of pointing it out myself, but I'll defend anyone else who still will. 19:47 Peacock well, people can be as anal as they want, it's a free country, though it hasn't escaped my notice that the community seems to be shrinking, or at least, not growing :P 19:50 Evergreen Btw Peacock, it just annoys me personally when someone does that, go on doing it if you want to 19:50 us{0gb Exactly. YOu are free to do it, but we are free to find it annoying. 19:51 Peacock i know im just saying you dont have to point it out, people are on their free time here, it becomes somewhat less leisurely when they're being corrected like a teacher does with her pupil lol 19:51 Peacock cant speak for you guys, but i wouldn;t waste my time talking with people i find annoying :P 19:52 us{0gb You are putting it in our faces every time you use one of those intentionally misspelled words. Telling you about it is just returning the favor. 19:53 us{0gb Finding something someone does annoying doesn't mean that person is completely not worth hanging out with. Only that they have an annoying habit. 19:53 Peacock pointing it out gives a whiff of superiority complex 19:53 us{0gb Also, there are some people here who don't do it, so avoiding this place would mean avoiding people who are not being annoying. 19:54 Peacock naw, you just dont need to respond to the specific person... you must get annoyed by alot of people IRL lol 19:54 us{0gb That may be. But I'll stand up for those people anyway. 19:54 us{0gb People in real life don't say "lol", so no. 19:54 twoelk not true 19:54 Peacock or plol, minetest's own homegrown acronym lol 19:55 Calinou I have a job. And school. 19:55 Calinou how old are you? :P 19:55 twoelk my nephews saw lol all the time 19:55 us{0gb Well, the people I talk to don't say "lol". 19:55 us{0gb Calinou, I was born in 1989. 19:55 Peacock dunno, people come here to have fun, not be subjected to grammar nazis, thats all im saying :-) 19:56 Calinou thought you were younger 19:56 us{0gb I think I'm 23 or something, I son't keep track. 19:56 us{0gb *don't 19:56 us{0gb People come here for fun, not difficult to read text talk, that's all I'm saying. 19:57 Peacock well then might i humbly suggest you're not having fun and find an activity that doesn't irritate you :-) 19:57 us{0gb I could sugest the same to you. 19:57 us{0gb *suggest 19:58 Peacock i do tune out minetest and irc for days at a time lol but whenever i come here, you're here 19:58 Evergreen Gotta go, see you later 19:58 Peacock see yas 19:58 us{0gb So it is me specifically that you find annoying? My apologies. 19:59 Peacock i find grammar nazis annoying, if i wanted that i'd go back to school or write to the Queen 19:59 us{0gb I thought you were complaining about grammar Nazis, of which I am not one. 19:59 us{0gb I never bring this topic up. 19:59 Peacock bitching about acronyms and shorthand is the same thing 19:59 us{0gb I only defended someone else who did bring it up. 19:59 Peacock compounding is the same as well :P 19:59 Calinou grammar nazis are annoying yes 20:00 us{0gb So yeah, I take sides, but I don't start these arguments. 20:00 us{0gb THen YOU are compounding as well. YOU are arguing the opposite point. 20:00 Peacock who's arguing? i found the initial statement and everything that followed quite comical lol 20:01 thexyz guys, move this to query 20:01 sapier1 we don't seem to have enough bugs in minetest time to add some new ;-P 20:01 us{0gb Arguing has a couple meanings, I think you are interpreting my statement incorrectly. 20:01 Peacock sapier i hope you're joking :P 20:01 Exio4 haha 20:01 * us{0gb adds ants 20:02 sapier1 I almost everytime add new bugs ... at least if I add features ;-) 20:03 Peacock old bugs are the funnest since ppl don't remember how the code was written lol 20:03 Peacock (UPS software was fun like that) 20:03 us{0gb UPS as in the shipping company? 20:03 sapier1 "ppl don't remember how the code was written" you mean after half a year? 20:03 Peacock yeah, we had software made for 1995, and no one could figure out how to update it to run on XP lol 20:03 Peacock *win85 20:03 Peacock *win95 lol 20:04 us{0gb Hmm. THat must have been "fun". 20:04 Peacock half a year, well some of mt's bugs are older than that, and some of the people who wrote the code is gone, that's typical to any software project though over long enough periods 20:04 sapier1 1995 ... thats quite modern :-) codebase I work at usually is as old as late 80's so 1985 isn't that wrong 20:05 Peacock problem with running UPS sofware on win 95 is you can't have more modern versions of office, so your stuck with different computers running different OS's trying to get them to talk to eachother and the big printers lol 20:06 Peacock most custies had more modern setups at home and it cost them alot less, hint as to why UPS stores are doing so badly lol 20:07 sapier1 I work in industry automation sector those customers don't update anything if their hardware fails after some decades they want a drop in replacement doing exactly same as old one 20:07 Jordach BlockMen, fuck 20:08 Peacock well yeah most of your customers are probably not in the business of keeping their hardware modern, they just want it to work 20:08 sapier1 no those customers can't keep their hardware modern it's operational for that long and can't be turned of without high cost 20:09 Peacock most stores i setup were in the red after a year, so yeah, they didn't have money for new tech either lol 20:09 BlockMen Jordach, huh? 20:09 sapier1 or do you want your friendly neighbour nuclear power plant shutting down cooling to update control hardware ? ;-) 20:10 Peacock we only have one such plant in Quebec i think 20:10 Peacock though this fukushima stuff seems to be scaring every country with plants 20:10 zat Has someone seen a player named nolan? 20:10 sapier1 I don't think we sell to quebec so It's not my fault ... fukishima was ge technology too :) 20:11 Jordach BlockMen, i keep forgetting 20:11 Jordach WTF WTF 20:11 Peacock GE company, or German? 20:11 sapier1 ge company 20:11 Peacock ah ok yeah i know them 20:11 Jordach i have the fancy settings to the max in classic, and for fuck sakes, it works at 60fps 20:11 BlockMen ge = general electric :P 20:12 us{0gb I think I have some of their appliances, but I don't know much about them. 20:12 Peacock well it could have been short for German too :P though they usually use DE if im not mistaken 20:12 BlockMen germans dont like nuclear power anymore =\ 20:12 sapier1 maybe ga technology but if I remember correctly fukushima was very very old american technology provided by ge 20:12 us{0gb Yeah, de. 20:12 Peacock well it's not like Germany is in any danger of a tsunami? 20:12 sapier1 exactly we run our old ones until planed end of operation and shut them down 20:12 jemadux cant find coal 20:13 BlockMen well, thats the "german angst" :D 20:13 Peacock what are the alternatives otherwise, coal and russian natural gas? 20:13 PilzAdam this GE? http://youtu.be/k2MIIbuJ4Gc 20:13 BlockMen most ppl think that solar power plants and wind turnines could be enough to get electricty :( 20:14 sapier1 no but after realizing even a developed country like japan wasn't capable of controling that technology due to economical and political reasons germans no longer accept that risk 20:14 Peacock hell, its not like natural gas pipelines dont have accidents too (siberian pipeline, 82) 20:14 Peacock wind, solar, you're dependent on good weather, its a nice boost to have, but i wouldn't rely on it 100% 20:14 BlockMen sapier1, they have kinda. ofc there are problems, but fukushima is no tschernobyl 20:15 zat Solars are not totally solar, they are now more photovoltaic 20:15 sapier1 true fukushima is worse than tschernobyl 20:15 zat the give voltage on presence of just light 20:15 zat of course they perform better on direct sunlight 20:15 Peacock chernobyl was a special case of neglect lol 20:15 sapier1 the only difference is in fukushima winds took pollution to pacific not to tokyo 20:16 zat All check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER 20:16 sapier1 yea but iter is delayed for decades due to political reasons 20:16 BlockMen sapier, umm..no? in tschernobyl there was a GAU, the core melted 20:16 sapier1 yes and in fukushima 3 cores melted 20:17 BlockMen they partly melted 20:17 zat the other day I read about a special kind of wind turbine that is super efficient but I lost its link 20:17 BlockMen and there was no fire (because there was no graphit) 20:18 BlockMen renewable energy (like photovoltaik, wind turbines, etc) cant be stored, thats the main problem 20:19 sapier1 they don't even know where the cores are how can they tell they're only partly melted ;-) 20:19 BlockMen sapier, WTF?! what you mean with "don't even know where the cores are"? 20:21 sapier1 noone got close enough to cores in fukushima to tell about their current state they may be almost intact they may be partly melted or they may be a flat metal plane on floor of containment ;-) 20:21 PilzAdam sapier1, why do you add ";-)" at the end of all your sentences? are you constantly speaking ironic? 20:22 sapier1 considering it took weeks to admit the cores melt ... I asume last one 20:22 Peacock huh according to wiki, the siberian pipeline explosion was the result of the CIA getting the canadian company to put a logic bomb in the software the KGB stole to run the pumps and valves... learn something new every day lol 20:22 Peacock so i guess accidents aren't that common 20:22 Peacock except for the occasional spill 20:22 sapier1 pa all of my sentences? I used it twice 20:23 PilzAdam its an exaggeration, but you tend to use smileys a lot in cases where it doesnt really make sense 20:24 Peacock lol not this debate again, we just had it ten minutes ago :P 20:24 Peacock perhaps #english would be a better venue to debate the merits of smileys and shorthand :P 20:24 sapier1 any idea why cia should have done this? ... I tend to assume that's a wiki manipulation 20:25 Peacock just repeating what i read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage 20:25 BlockMen sapier, well then they still know where the cores are. They know that they are at least in the containment, if melted, partly melted or complete intact 20:25 IceCraft hi 20:26 BlockMen *is speculation 20:26 Mossmanikin Hi IceCraft 20:26 sapier1 I'm absolutely sure the cores are in japan so I know it too 20:26 Peacock though there are some contradictions on the talk page 20:27 BlockMen sapier, wow. impressing :P 20:27 PilzAdam bye 20:27 sapier1 they did lie about the current state right from begining I don't trust their official sayings anymore ;-) 20:28 Dan_D Can someone help make the mod at https://github.com/DanDuncombe/bubblegumgps require the bubblegumgps:gps be required for the hud elemnt to show, and when not olhding it, make the hud disappear?Many thanks 20:28 Dan_D And BlcokMen, I hear you are HUD master 20:28 Dan_D *BlockMen 20:28 BlockMen sapier, so you dont trust THEIR official sayings but the "official" saying in the press? 20:29 sapier1 the best thing about fukushima is pacific is a huge ocean 20:29 BlockMen Dan_D, i havent heared that 20:29 Dan_D Still 20:29 BlockMen sapier, i dont think that it is the best 20:30 BlockMen now much more ppl are effected by the problem 20:30 sapier1 it is ... that much water will spread radioactivity to a extent not beeing dangerous anymore 20:30 sfan5 wow, clang is much faster at compiling 20:31 Peacock clang, sounds klingon 20:31 sfan5 does "LLVM" sound klingon too? :P 20:31 Peacock not really lol 20:31 Mossmanikin Sounds latin 20:31 Peacock sounds more like a virtual machine 20:31 BlockMen well, with radioactivity the problem is that already a small amount of it can cause health problems. so you cant know if that small amount is causing more or less problems... 20:32 Peacock LLVM = linux libre virtual machine? :P 20:32 Peacock i much preferred vox-my-nipples, but i can see why that changed to LLVM ;) :P 20:32 sfan5 !g LLVM 20:32 MinetestBot sfan5: http://llvm.org/ 20:32 Peacock LLVM != vmanip? or is that LVM 20:33 us{0gb Vox is Latin for voice? 20:33 BlockMen Jordach, how long would it take to make the zombie if you can keep it in mind? 20:33 sapier1 yes but you already have natural radioactivity so your risk is only rising slightly 20:33 Peacock wow that website looks about as nice as yahoo's 95 homepage lol 20:34 BlockMen sapier, sry but that is spaculating. the science is still not united how much radioactivity causes health problems 20:34 Peacock i'll never get why geeks who create most of hte software we use, also design some of the ugliest websites ever seen lol 20:34 BlockMen furthermore fish, etc concentrates the amount 20:34 BlockMen so ppl can get problems by it easily 20:35 sapier1 no they aren't argueing it's almost sure there is no safe dose 20:35 FreeFull "The name "LLVM" was once an acronym, but is now just a brand for the umbrella project." 20:35 us{0gb Peacock, because developers and artists are not the same people. 20:35 FreeFull I wonder what it was an acronym for though 20:35 BlockMen well, what is "safe". is the natural radioactivity "safe"? 20:35 Dan_D Help with the mod anyone? 20:35 sapier1 no it isn't 20:35 FreeFull Ah, Low Level Virtual Machine 20:35 us{0gb Help how? 20:35 BlockMen who says so? 20:36 sapier1 it's a fact in areas where "natural" radioactivity is higher cancer rates are higher 20:36 FreeFull sapier1: I thought it wasn't a linear curve 20:37 BlockMen umm, no? i heared of a few cases where it is higher and the ppl get rly rly old there, older than all here in europe... 20:37 sapier1 I didn't say there's a linear relationship 20:37 FreeFull I'm pretty sure that some natural radioactivity is better than none at all 20:37 BlockMen so there may be a correlation, but not a causality 20:38 sapier1 if 10% of population get really old by other reasons and 20% die of cancer instead of 10% it's still valid 20:38 Peacock ogb i have a hard time picturing developers that don't have a single ounce of creativity/artistry 20:38 sapier1 radioactivity can destroy dna if by some random chance wrong part is destroyed it can cause cancer 20:39 us{0gb Peacock, i can't build decent web pages, yet I do write code. 20:39 Peacock 100% logical dev gets you things like terminal apps, 100% creative devs gives you stuff like unity lol something in between is usually better 20:39 BlockMen sry, bit cancer is one of the things the since still dont know why it increases and increases 20:39 BlockMen *but 20:39 Dan_D Help 20:39 BlockMen *sience 20:39 sapier1 so you may have luck and thousands of dna damages don't cause cancer ... or your first damage will start cancer 20:39 us{0gb Help how? 20:39 FreeFull There isn't one cancer, there are many 20:40 sapier1 freefull yes that's why treatment is that difficult 20:40 BlockMen there are that much factors that cause cancer, i doubt that you can say that natural radioactivity causes cancer 20:40 BlockMen that is just a thesis, not more 20:40 Peacock well even minetest_game airs (sp?) more on the side of logical than creative, but you're definately right about minimal lol 20:40 FreeFull And a lot of DNA damage doesn't come from radiation. Some radiation can actually make your DNA repair mechanisms work better 20:40 sapier1 it can cause cancer ... but of course other things can do too 20:41 us{0gb BlockMen, sunlight is natural radioactivity, and it has been proven to cause cancer. 20:42 Peacock i think i may be more on the creative side, i have a hard time understanding all the complex constructs in C++ lol 20:42 BlockMen the softener in plastics can cause cancer too 20:42 BlockMen how is proven that it was the radioactivity? 20:42 sapier1 I don't think em waves with energy levels as sunlight are considered to be radioactivity 20:42 Peacock \which is why i'll never try to develop a DE lol 20:42 us{0gb Peacock, that's probably why you don't understand why others are less creative. 20:43 BlockMen sapier, light is wave AND particle 20:43 us{0gb I run into similar failures to understand people as well. 20:43 BlockMen so it could theoraticaly 20:43 Peacock true, but looking at the llvm site, surely they could have found someone else to do it :P 20:43 Peacock geeks invented CSS for that sortof thing after all 20:44 us{0gb It least they chose something simple. A lot of "creative" websites are actually a pain to use because they are poorly designed. 20:44 sapier1 I didn't say light can't cause cancer just sunlights energy level isn't in range commonly called "radioactivity" 20:45 Peacock it doesn't have to be modern art :P but the site in question is particularly ugly, the typeface, the colors, the font size, 3 column layout 20:45 Peacock not that i think modern art is nice lol anyone can puke on a canvas and ask for a subsidy 20:46 Peacock isohunt is gone :( 20:47 BlockMen IIRC it isnt the sunlight itself but the "cosmic radioation" that hits the earth (mainly by the sun). -> de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strahlenbelastung#Strahlenexposition_durch_nat.C3.BCrliche_Quellen 20:49 sapier1 yes but that doesn't change the fact that (all sorts of) natural radiation can cause cancer 20:49 sapier1 fukushima just increases it a little bit more 20:50 Mossmanikin sapier1: I like the new behaviour of the blue white fish, also the new animalmaterials 20:50 sapier1 as chernobyl did and those nuclear bomb tests before 20:50 BlockMen IMO it is not worth to be mentioned, because it seems that nearly everything can cause cancer these days 20:50 Dan_D Help with the mod? Also sapier1 I have made a couple of suggestions on the pushable_block thread, I think thst was by you? 20:50 Peacock alot of things cause cancer, but politicians like people to focus on second hand smoke rather than smog and other forms of pollution :P 20:51 sapier1 yes it is Dan_D 20:51 Dan_D Ok 20:51 BlockMen Peacock, true. but not only at that topic :\ 20:52 Dan_D Is the orchard protected? 20:52 sapier1 of course ... german green party wants to have general speed limits to save lifes at autobahn ... most ppl die on rural roads in germany due to high speed ... there already are speed limits there 20:52 BlockMen but as longer i look at this show i more think that the most ppl want get jerked 20:52 us{0gb Yes, I understand you need help with the "mod", but you haven't told us how to help. 20:52 Peacock we have speed limits and we still have accidents 20:52 sapier1 so if ppl die on roads with speed limits speed limits should be abolished ... right? :-) 20:53 Peacock and yeah, politicians want you to focus on minute causes, while ignoring the rest of the pie lol 20:53 Mossmanikin :D 20:53 BlockMen sapier, umm. the geens (aka pedophilic party) want that to save the climate 20:53 BlockMen and that is even more stupid 20:54 Peacock a bit late now lol 20:54 Peacock and ignores the fact the earth has been much warmer in the past, and we're still here 20:54 sapier1 I don't like that pedophilic thing either but last month calling someone pedophilic has become a method to stop your enemys ... even if prooven to be wrong that one will have negative effects 20:54 Peacock and that we're still emerging from an ice age, but hey, let's destroy the economy, and watch temperatures rise nonetheless lol 20:55 BlockMen Peacock, like midages. that time it was that warm that there was growing wine in scotland 20:55 Peacock hell, the vikings colonized north america, greenland and iceland at times where you could farm much further north 20:56 BlockMen sapier, the BTW is over, so i can call them now what they are. they cant be "stopped" 20:56 sapier1 that doesn't change the fact large areas of world will become no go areas so either we stop warming or start to find ways to relocate billions of ppl 20:56 Peacock how do you stop warming at this point? 20:57 BlockMen Peacock, i bet it were the knight factories that warmed up the climate ^^ 20:57 BlockMen sapier, thats non sense. take a look at the sahel zone, it became more green the last 20 years 20:57 Peacock if anything we should be developing weather modification and making plans to build new cities at higher elevations 20:57 sapier1 thats the problem ... but did you hear anyone say "ok lets give up netherlands and used that money to relocate them to greenland"? 20:58 BlockMen furthermore...the co2 is still rising, but the global warming stucks for 15 years now 20:58 Peacock ^ true that 20:58 Peacock even david suzuki was pwned on that point in Australia on ABC 20:58 sapier1 still ice is melting almost everywhere 20:58 BlockMen nope, in antartica it is growing for years now 20:58 Peacock suzuki, environmental guru, preaches "consume less", guy has several homes totally over 10 mil$ in value lol 20:59 Peacock *totalling 20:59 sapier1 yes we don't understand completely how the warming is going to happen but increasing co2 levels that much will have an effect 20:59 BlockMen sapier, how much co2 is in the atmosphere? 21:00 sapier1 almost 1/3 more than 75 years ago 21:01 BlockMen yeah, it is now 0,039% 21:01 BlockMen or 0,04% if you like 21:01 sapier1 that low co2 level increases global temperature about 20 degrees if it wasn't there earth would be a iceball 21:02 BlockMen you are sure about that, sapier? 21:02 BlockMen because the mars has > 95% co2 21:02 sapier1 exactly but if next 0,06 will result in another 20 degrees we will die too 21:03 BlockMen and it is still fucking cold there 21:03 sapier1 mars has 3% atmospheric density of earth ;-) 21:03 sapier1 I assume it's fuckin cold up in sky where you meet 3% density on earth too 21:05 sapier1 just because something is low it doesn't mean it's not dangerous ;-) 21:06 BlockMen sapier, and you know how much that effects green house effect? 21:06 BlockMen and to earths green house effect...why does the temperature not rise in atmosphere? 21:07 BlockMen it has to because the green house effect says, that the co2 reflects ir rays, but that causes heating at co2 21:08 BlockMen but beside all that, 90% of the emitted co2 is natural, so not human 21:08 BlockMen how would climate change if that 10% would be missing? 21:08 sapier1 natural greenhouse effect is about 30° on earth about 30% are caused by co2 so about 10° 21:09 BlockMen hello, 90% is natural co2? 21:09 BlockMen so 1° if it would be linear 21:09 sapier1 yes but natural is a stable value while human emmisions actually ADD 21:10 BlockMen lol, no, it was never stable 21:10 sapier1 that co2 humans emit has been taken out of service million years ago ... natural emmissions are seasonal emissions 21:11 sapier1 of course there's some delta but way less than even those 10% you add each year for almost 20 decades now 21:11 BlockMen most land mass of earth has no seasons like here in europe 21:11 sapier1 everything not beeing tropics has seasons 21:12 BlockMen and here your stable co2 value -> http://www.wasserplanet.biokurs.de/CO2-Dateien/image061.png :P 21:13 VanessaE can one use minetest.find_node_near() to look for CONTENT_IGNORE? 21:13 sapier1 so normal fluctuation is from 180 ppm to 280 ppm ... atm we're at 400 ppm ... not a good proof of your thesis 21:14 BlockMen my thesis? what is my thesis? 21:14 sapier1 and those changes did require about 75 millenias ... we did it in 200 years 21:16 sapier1 I don't believe we can stop global warming too ... but I doubt ppl are willing to accept we have to give up whole countrys and relocate their inhabitants 21:16 BlockMen we did it? why are human always megalomaniac? it just pretentious to think we could change the climate of a planet 21:16 Peacock Ordovician period had much higher co2 21:16 Peacock 4400 ppm 21:17 BlockMen sapier, why so dramatic? give up countries? 21:18 BlockMen remember the "waldsterben" (german angst again^^)? 21:18 sapier1 because a country like bangladesh is way below ocean surface if oceans heat up by 5 degrees ;-) 21:18 BlockMen i have a really good documentation about that for you, and it would be nice if you would watch, because it just show how stupid this dramatism is 21:18 BlockMen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO7aqEF3V04 21:19 sapier1 blockmen did you have a look at german woods recently? those ones dieing in late 80s have died 21:19 sapier1 and have been replaced .. true :) 21:19 BlockMen sapier, are you kidding? 21:20 BlockMen do you really think that? 21:20 sapier1 but not with threes dieing in late 80 but other trees 21:20 sapier1 if I look around I don't see the woods of my childhood anymore but quite different ones 21:21 sapier1 they're not worse than then of course but differnt 21:22 Peacock the environment/climate is hardly static :P 21:22 BlockMen of your childhood? how old are you? 21:22 Peacock id be alot more worried if things stopped moving/changing 21:22 sapier1 it's only 2 decades ago ... seeing a change that drastic happen in a short time like that is strange 21:23 BlockMen "Beim DFG-Projekt Und ewig sterben die Wälder wurde unterschieden zwischen einer öffentlichen Debatte, die das angebliche Sterben in immer neuen Variationen diskutierte, und dem fachwissenschaftlichen Diskurs. Die Forstwissenschaft nahm das ‚sogenannte Waldsterben’ überwiegend als Medienphänomen wahr. Das Projekt untersuchte wie der Diskurs um das Waldsterben im Zusammenspiel zwischen Wissenschaft, Politik und Medien sich h 21:23 BlockMen "Die dramatischen Fernsehbilder stark zerstörter Waldgebiete der 80er Jahre stammen ausnahmslos von einigen wenigen Flecken im Harz oder Erzgebirge. Die Ende der 70er intensivierte Nutzung der vorhandenen Braunkohlevorkommen in Westdeutschland (inklusive der Oberpfalz), der DDR und ÄŒSSR und eine unzureichende Umwelttechnik führten hier zu Belastungen, die bereits in der Zeit der frühen Industrialisierung als Rauchschäden erklà 21:23 BlockMen damn irc...it cuts the text 21:24 sapier1 forrest economics didn't have interest for wood for years until woods started to become a valueable resource again due to new wood heatings 21:24 kaeza ... 21:24 BlockMen look here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldsterben 21:24 BlockMen and watch this fuking documentation 21:24 sapier1 btw your Ordovician period is source of our fossil fuel 21:25 BlockMen Peacock that said... 21:25 BlockMen and that doesnt change the fact, does it? 21:25 sapier1 I already know media bloated the problem but it's a common fact in current attention society without bloation nothing will change 21:25 BlockMen sry, but that is stupid 21:26 Peacock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordovician : says right there, 4200 ppm co2 21:26 Peacock mean surface temp, 16c 21:26 Peacock 2c more than modern level 21:27 sapier1 no it isn't have a look at current renewable energy politics ... ppl thinking about it knew for about 4 years it's gonna be way to expensive without limitations in there ... nothing happened 21:27 BlockMen ha ha...renewable energy politics 21:28 BlockMen you want say that it is good how we do in germany? 21:28 sapier1 but did you have a look at that map? there isn't much surface to talk about ;-) 21:29 Peacock the continents didn't suddenly appear - it's called continental drift or plate tectonics :P 21:29 sapier1 I'm not talking about the positions but about the extents ... large areas now dry have been flooded then 21:30 sapier1 and if those areas will be flooded again wit 2° more global temperature we'll have a problem ;-) 21:31 BlockMen lol 21:31 BlockMen yes, we will all die 21:31 Peacock i thought the focus was on co2, temperature and climate change lol not continental positions or coverage 21:31 Peacock funny that the greenies like to tell everyone else what to do, but won't give up their cars and iphones themselves :P 21:31 sapier1 temperature will cause oceans to rise ... it's simple physics 21:32 BlockMen and why should they rise? what will be the source? 21:32 BlockMen the growing ice of himalya? -> www.welt.de/vermischtes/article106189407/Asiens-Gletscher-wachsen-gegen-den-Welt-Klimatrend.html 21:32 BlockMen :D 21:32 Peacock so how would you explain 4200ppm co2 with temperatures 2 degree lower than now? :P 21:32 sapier1 volumetric extension due to temerature increase? 21:33 sapier1 if your surface is only in arctics you'll have lower temperatures as if your surface is in tropics ;-) 21:33 BlockMen umm...upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Density_of_ice_and_water_%28de%29.svg 21:34 Peacock was that a guess or a statement back by verifiable sources? (about volumetric extension) 21:34 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Masterserver update a924409bd1 2013-10-17T14:32:49-07:00 http://git.io/mqNG7w 21:34 sapier1 blockmen that's only true for freezing ice increasing water temperature from 15-20° will increase it's volume 21:35 Peacock hm, a carboniferous game for mt would be cool, like uber-prehistoric lol 21:35 BlockMen sapier, so the sience is wrong here? 21:36 sapier1 wrong where? just because some glaciers are growing while most of them are shrinking? 21:37 BlockMen no, i ment the water thing. 0°C (1000kg/m³), 100°C(960kg/m³) 21:38 sapier1 because of the well know volumetric anomaly of water having most density at 4° 21:39 BlockMen but to your "some glaciers"...actually the antartic and the himalaya glaciers are keeping most of the ice (beside greenland) 21:39 sapier1 and antarctica isn't exactly clear by now 21:39 sapier1 calculations tend to show antarctica is in sum melting too 21:39 Peacock pretty cool http://pixld.me/carboniferous-mod-minecraft-1-5-2-1-5-1/ 21:40 sapier1 greenland is melting thats almost sure 21:40 BlockMen calculations, based on what? 21:40 BlockMen computer simulations? 21:40 sapier1 calculations based on height mesurements of ice coverage in antarctica 21:41 BlockMen and no, its prooven that it is growing for years now 21:41 sapier1 but there's some doubt so this isn't sure for antarctica 21:41 BlockMen sorry, but there is everywhere some "doubt" in "climate change" 21:41 BlockMen so that is kinda no argument 21:42 sapier1 show me your data for antarctica ;-) the studies I know tend to indicate there are some glaciers melting ... the ocean ice coverage is decreasing without doubt in antarcitica 21:42 Peacock well its not like we fully understand what drives the climate, weve only been taking decent measurements for what, a few decades? half a century 21:43 sapier1 but of course ocean ice coverage doesn't increase sea level ... but if you recall I did only tell the volumetric expansion will cause flooding ;-) 21:43 Peacock though raising a panic over our limited understanding of limited data seems much more foolish to me 21:44 sapier1 so we don't understand but hell lets increase third most greenhouse gas by factor 3 and see whats gonna happen? :-) 21:44 BlockMen http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png 21:44 BlockMen yeah...it melts like hell :D 21:45 sapier1 "with at least 15%" so 1cm is counted same as 10m ice 21:46 BlockMen sapier, your turn. present me your data 21:46 BlockMen and that is the standart 21:47 sapier1 same site summer ice extent ;-P 21:47 sapier1 http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png 21:47 sapier1 oh sorry its arctica not antarctica 21:48 sapier1 btw why do they compare to 1981-2010 average? thats way after start of decline 21:48 BlockMen lol...very good 21:48 BlockMen artic is rising too 21:48 BlockMen :P 21:49 BlockMen btw accuracy...how accurat where the values of co2 in 1800? or 1890? 21:50 sapier1 rising? 21:50 sapier1 you know 2012 was overall negative record? 21:50 VanessaE 2012 was just a big negative anyway ;) 21:50 BlockMen or of the temperature, that was only messured in a few points that time but used to show raising of the global temperature? 21:52 sapier1 so you believe just because weather was cold for 3 years now doubling co2 concentration will have no effect? 21:53 sapier1 it's like americans spending more and more money hoping chinese will never stop to give em more 21:54 sapier1 chances are good chinese wont stop because they'll loose everything if they did :-) 21:54 BlockMen and how can it even be 3 years cold by that much co2? 21:54 BlockMen and why is temperature not increasing since 15 years now, but co2 is? 21:54 sapier1 due to wether effect that always overlay climate changes for years 21:55 BlockMen like 15 years? sure 21:55 BlockMen so if climate would change like they said the oceans would raise in 1500 years then, right? 21:56 sapier1 interesting question true ... lemme guess maybe deep oceans soak up energy ... hope that guess is wrong cause if it'd be true the effects will be even more dramatic 21:56 BlockMen srsly, why are you so much beliving it? you sound like a fundamentalis christian or muslim 21:56 BlockMen "deep oceans soak up energy"? srsly? 21:56 BlockMen that is even more stupid than thinking adolf hitler is still alive 21:57 sapier1 no I'm not I just see not a single explanation what could stop drastic increase of greehouse gass to have NO effect 21:57 sapier1 do you have ANY even theoretical idea how this could be without any effect? 21:58 BlockMen for what? greenhouse gas or temperatur increasing in the 90's? 21:59 sapier1 it's like driving with 200 mph towards a wall telling "we havent hit anything by now so we wont hit anything in future" 21:59 BlockMen no, you think you are driving with 200 mph, but in real you are driving 2 mph 22:00 sapier1 fact is we did increase co2 by about 1/3 22:00 BlockMen no, FACT is that it has increased 22:00 sapier1 in less than 200 years ... in geological dimensions that is instant 22:01 BlockMen if WE would have done it, why is 90% of the anual emitted co2 natural? 22:01 proller plants likes co2 22:02 BlockMen and another fact: co2 is more havy than the aur 22:02 BlockMen why should 100% of our emitted co2 go up in atmosphere? 22:02 BlockMen *air 22:03 VanessaE if players would just replant their saplings after gathering trees... oh, wait.. 22:03 sapier1 natural emission is resorbed by other natural mechanisms ... humanity didn't do anything to resorb co2 by now 22:04 BlockMen if that would be true the co2 concentration would be still at 0,03%, not 0,04% 22:04 BlockMen and you are not answering my questions 22:04 sapier1 no because those 0,01% have been resorbed and storaged 450 million years ago 22:05 BlockMen 0,01% co2 is more than humans have produced in the last 200 years, genuis 22:05 sapier1 calculate it 22:06 BlockMen i already have, other have to and you can do it yourself too 22:06 sapier1 thats a brave clain you do right now 22:06 BlockMen all values can be found at wiki, ipcc or wherever 22:07 BlockMen sapier, all values can be found, how much is emitted every year, how much is human, how much is in atmosphere 22:07 sapier1 you claim those numbers don't fit so proove it 22:07 BlockMen calculate yourself 22:08 BlockMen or cant you calcß 22:08 BlockMen *? 22:08 BlockMen but im still waiting for answers... 22:10 sapier1 I still haven't even found the numbers you claim to be there ;-P 22:12 BlockMen i will look up and you will answer me my questions meanwhile 22:13 sapier1 what question are you talking about? 22:14 BlockMen [00:02] and another fact: co2 is more havy than the aur [00:02] why should 100% of our emitted co2 go up in atmosphere? 22:14 BlockMen for example 22:15 sapier1 because gas mixtures don't fraction that easy as long as there's movement within 22:15 sapier1 o2 and n2 don't have same weight too still they're not separated in atmosphere 22:20 Peacock i forget how this conversation started lol i think it was nuclear plants and renewable energy? 22:20 BlockMen but co2 is "that" havy that i can build "lakes" 22:20 sapier1 yes with some sideway to safe dose of radioactivity 22:21 BlockMen other gases cant 22:21 sapier1 yes but once it's mixed it won't create lakes that easy 22:21 BlockMen ok, next question: why was midages that warm but co2 that low? 22:21 Peacock id fancy a guess there were more plants to sequester co2 22:22 sapier1 as far as I know middle ages have been quite cold while roman empire time was quite warm 22:22 Peacock (just guessing tho, dont taze me :P) 22:22 sapier1 but explanation is that there are sun cycles overlying the climate 22:22 Peacock omg, the italians caused the last global warming? :P 22:22 sapier1 atm temperatures should fall due to that cycles ... but they don't 22:23 sapier1 no romans just cut all trees in north africa causing that area to become desert ;-) 22:24 Peacock until the romans got their asses handed to them lol 22:24 sapier1 co2 is not the only way humanity is capable of changing climate of some region 22:25 Peacock i remember when they blamed cow flatulence for methane in the atmosphere lol 22:26 sapier1 that's a factor too :-) you know there are far more cows on this planet than there have been ever before ;-) 22:26 BlockMen so, when sun activity was causing it why shouldnt it cause now? 22:26 BlockMen 2nd, there is no proove that there was more sun activity that time 22:26 sapier1 because sun actitivy is cyclic and due to that cycle it should fall atm 22:27 BlockMen and here you lazy boy, all values takes from german wikipedia -> http://pastebin.com/Q8QPzTgc 22:27 BlockMen have fun calculating 22:27 BlockMen yes, atm. but in 90's (when the temperature was raising) there was a maximum 22:28 BlockMen and since 15 years the temperature is no fucking raising 22:28 sapier1 those numbers don't tell anything 22:28 sapier1 you're comparing completely different things 22:29 BlockMen hello? you know the concentraion of co2 you know its mass you know the mass of the atmosphere, you know the mass of emitted co2 and natural co2 22:29 BlockMen you can calculate that with these values 22:29 BlockMen its actually kinda easy 22:30 sapier1 yes it is ... and it results in perfect match ... http://sunoba.blogspot.de/2011/03/atmospheric-co2-levels-due-to-fossil.html that guy does explain how to do it 22:31 BlockMen why not calculate yourself? 22:31 Peacock yeah there are alot of cows, most of them of them in our parliament lol 22:31 sapier1 btw it's not 5.135 * 1015t but 5.135*10exp15 t 22:32 sapier1 I did check his calculations 22:33 BlockMen pastebin eat it :\ 22:33 BlockMen that fast...yeah 22:33 BlockMen ofc you did -.-' 22:33 sapier1 and he's using same values you do ... he even uses only 30 gigatons of fossil co2 22:34 BlockMen half an hour ago you were to stupid to find these values and 30 min later you already checked the calculation 22:34 BlockMen wow, that is really improving 22:35 sapier1 I already found that page while you were looking for those numbers but didn't want to tell about it until I knew his calculations are correct 22:35 NakedFury why are you guys arguing over this trivial matter? 22:35 sapier1 because argueing is fun ;-) 22:36 sapier1 I still have only found another source for total amount of co2 in atmosphere .. you haven't either 22:37 BlockMen guess what, there are hunderts :O 22:38 sapier1 show me ;) 22:38 BlockMen but i wont waste more time on you. Stay at your religion, fine. I know that facts dont matter at spiritual ppl, so ok. Wait for the apocalypse, i dont care 22:38 BlockMen but please tell me when the netherlands are sunken and we all suffer under this unbelievable heat :D 22:39 BlockMen i want make a beach club then...-.-' 22:39 sapier1 I've shown much more facts that co2 is increasing and causes greenhouse effect than you did show facts co2 isn't inreasing and not caused by human and of course you didn't show a single reason why co2 should have no effect 22:39 BlockMen but you havent explained why temperatures not reacting on co2 values 22:40 BlockMen so even if you would have shown you would have prooven nothing... 22:40 sapier1 I have 22:40 BlockMen ah..ok. why is temp not increasing for 15 years now again? 22:40 sapier1 considering temperatures should actually fall due to sun cycles a 15 year stop of increase is not a issue 22:42 BlockMen umm...that would mean that the sun is the main actor of "global warming", not co2 22:42 BlockMen otherwise the temp would increase, but slower 22:42 BlockMen not complete stop 22:42 BlockMen fail :D 22:42 sapier1 no it just tells there are multiple fators ... so what happens if those factors dont substract but ADD 22:43 sapier1 -2 + 2 --> 0 ... but if we reach other end of sun cycle +2 + 2 -->4 .... oops 22:43 sapier1 take those numbers as illustration only 22:44 BlockMen hmm...but the problem is that sun has a much larger value than 2 22:45 sapier1 if that is true then human effect has to be higher too to equalize it 22:45 BlockMen who says it has to be equal? 22:46 BlockMen sun very very low = ice age, sun very very high = warm times 22:47 BlockMen co2 makes just 6-25% of green house effect (official) 22:48 sapier1 so it's 1,5 to 7,5° .... doubling co2 concentration will result in 1,5 to 7,5 degree increase 22:48 BlockMen but if you need to think you "have prooven" something 22:48 BlockMen fine...like i said. IDC anymore what you think 22:49 BlockMen have fun...fanatic believer ;) 22:49 sapier1 YOU are the one not caring about arguments not matching YOUR believes 22:49 BlockMen lol 22:50 BlockMen yes, ofc. at least my glaciers are not growing whith raising temperaturs 22:51 sapier1 you know growing glaciers can be explained by raising tempertures for some cases too? 22:52 sapier1 growing temperatures result in more water in air thus if a glacier stays above ice height that additional water will cause the glacier to grow ... at least until it's getting even more hot 22:54 BlockMen ah..ok. the more water can result the growth of glaciers but the water in atmosphere that make more than 60% of the greenhouse effect have not such a large effect like co2 22:54 BlockMen yes, idc about arguments 22:54 BlockMen you are absolutly right my believing brother of world saviors ;) 22:54 sapier1 it does so increasing temperatures could cause a runnaway greenhouse effect 22:55 BlockMen if it would we would already have that effect, genius 22:55 sapier1 no it wouldn't it could be compensated by less water in other areas of world ... e.g. california or australia suffering of wort dries for ages the last years 22:59 sapier1 thanks for the interesting discussion but I have to work today maybe more next time ;-) 22:59 BlockMen aha...and atm it can not be compensated by these areas and grows the glacies? 22:59 BlockMen no no..my friend. i have to work either 23:00 sapier1 I don't see how glaciers could melt in australia for example ;-) there are none ;-) 23:00 sapier1 gn8 23:01 BlockMen pfff...he leaves as fast as his arguments. 23:01 BlockMen when nothing to say against then leaving... 23:12 BlockMen well, i will leave then too. here a picture for everyone who want see the enormous melting in the artic -> http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=16&fy=1982&sm=02&sd=16&sy=2013 23:12 BlockMen gd n8t everyone 23:13 NekoGloop good nate? 23:15 Mossmanikin it's german; Acht=eight, n8t=Nacht=night 23:22 Mossmanikin Off for now, later 23:22 VanessaE er, hi an dbye 23:22 VanessaE er, hi and bye 23:25 * NekoGloop pokes VanessaE 23:25 VanessaE ow. 23:26 NekoGloop what'd I miss 23:26 NekoGloop any notable progress 23:26 VanessaE a little 23:27 VanessaE the entity dupe issue may have been fixed 23:27 NekoGloop sweet 23:27 VanessaE (actually that's quite big) 23:27 VanessaE meanwhile, the fps dropouts on my server continue to get worse, especially for netbooks 23:28 VanessaE (c55 has seen it first-hand, and was all "what the fuck", "this is nonsense" 23:28 NekoGloop and you have what, 70-100 mods? 23:29 VanessaE 91. 23:29 VanessaE some 5000 nodes defined, I think 23:31 NekoGloop and the game probably STILL runs faster than MC :D 23:32 VanessaE heh 23:32 VanessaE that I don't know 23:33 NekoGloop I should work on glooptest 23:34 VanessaE yes 23:34 VanessaE some folks have been asking for, I think, akalin blocks 23:34 NekoGloop akalin has blocks 23:34 NekoGloop you mean kalite? 23:34 VanessaE then it was a different one 23:34 VanessaE maybe kalite, yeah 23:34 VanessaE I don't remember now :P 23:34 NekoGloop arol? 23:34 NekoGloop only kalite and arol don't have blocks 23:36 VanessaE I don't make much use of glooptest myself, so I never remember anyway :) 23:36 NekoGloop Kalite will need a special processing method to get it's "ingot" and Arol (as well as some other things) will have blocks later 23:37 NekoGloop You should use the tables :D 23:37 NekoGloop (which just look cool atm) 23:46 NekoGloop I might add that running minetest in japanese mode does this [Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/atUdbQ6) 23:46 NekoGloop erm 23:46 NekoGloop wrong copy paste field 23:46 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/atUdbQ6.png 23:47 Peacock which mapgen would be best for a carboniferous world? (ref http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAn0wN9RU1w) 23:48 NekoGloop singlenode 23:48 Peacock singlenode? 23:48 Peacock the whole thing made from one node? 23:48 Peacock /type 23:50 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/1XRPKut1 Line 39: attempt to call a table 23:51 Peacock whereis glooptest defined? 23:51 NekoGloop in the master init.lua 23:51 Peacock presumably before glooptest.tech_module = {}? 23:51 Peacock is it local? 23:52 NekoGloop no 23:52 VanessaE maybe you wanted ipairs(glooptest.tech_module.table_changers) ? 23:52 NekoGloop for .... in ipairs(glooptest....table_changers)? 23:52 VanessaE *nod* 23:52 Peacock for ind,content in glooptest.tech_module.table_changers do 23:52 VanessaE that's how you walk a table, normally. 23:52 Peacock ^ no pairs() at all from what i can see 23:53 Peacock for ind,content in pairs(glooptest.tech_module.table_changers) do 23:53 NekoGloop I've done it without ipairs 23:53 VanessaE what Peacock said. 23:54 NekoGloop So the glooptest table, is a table of tables, which is a table of tables, which one of those tables is a table of tables. 23:54 VanessaE yep 23:54 VanessaE table-ception, etc. 23:54 NekoGloop tableceptionceptionception 23:54 VanessaE anyways, 23:54 VanessaE if you don't use ipairs() to walk the table (or pairs() ) then you have to use some kind of function there. 23:55 VanessaE since you didn't use a function, but rather you put a table, you have to walk it with pairs/ipairs. 23:55 NekoGloop well that didn't crash 23:55 NekoGloop didn't work either, but it didn't crash 23:55 VanessaE that's a good start :) 23:56 NekoGloop and glooptest, being a table of tables of tables, one of those being a table of tables... That last table of tables has to do with wooden tables. 23:56 NekoGloop TABLES 23:57 VanessaE TABLES!!!! 23:57 VanessaE :P 23:59 NakedFury tablelific