Time Nick Message 00:00 JackGruff from what i read, it shouldn't be doing that 00:00 JackGruff u need to specify -filter for it to do that 00:00 JackGruff i may be wrong 00:00 JackGruff wait, jojoa1997, it could be your image viewer that is filtering 00:01 JackGruff try using the texture in minetest to confirm 00:01 jojoa1997 i did 00:01 JackGruff and it's blurry compared to the others? 00:01 jojoa1997 yep 00:04 JackGruff try adding "-filter point" (without the quotes, of course) 00:09 VanessaE hi 00:09 VanessaE did I miss anything interesting? :) 00:09 VanessaE Mossmanikin: use Sync/Lanczos for scaling. 00:09 Dakota is there a pocket edition of minetest 00:10 VanessaE never use nearest-neighbor unless you need it. 00:10 VanessaE Dakota: no. 00:10 Nocte VanessaE, how much does the HD textures make the game lag? :p 00:10 Dakota ok thanks 00:10 VanessaE Nocte: they cause a significant amount of lag in mesh generation of course, but FPS doesn't seem to vary much between sizes 00:10 VanessaE sime people report that my 64px pack performs better than the game default 16px textures. 00:10 VanessaE s 00:11 Nocte Haha... 00:11 Nocte Weird. 00:11 VanessaE I can't use the 512px size because I don't have enough RAM - it needs somewhere north of 12 GB to run smoothly. 00:11 VanessaE when using my server that is. 00:11 Nocte Whoa, that's a lot of RAM needed. 00:11 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: thanks but but use another prog ;) 00:11 VanessaE the 256px size uses 4GB on my server. 00:11 VanessaE Mossmanikin: I use The GIMP. 00:12 VanessaE that uses Sync/Lanczos for scaling. 00:12 Evergreen GIMP is awesome 00:12 VanessaE Sync/Lanczos is an algorithm, not a program 00:12 Mossmanikin I use paint.net most of the time 00:12 Evergreen Aseprite is better for pixel art, though you can easily use gimp to do pixel art as well 00:12 VanessaE Nocte: most of the RAM usage comes from the brain-dead texture extrude code. 00:13 VanessaE there's no way to disable texture extruding, so really large or highly-detailed images take tons and tons of RAM for the 3d models generated during that step. 00:13 VanessaE Mossmanikin: did you want to borrow some of HDX's textures for Undergrowth or something? feel free. 00:14 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: didn't think about higher resolutions yet, but thanks :) 00:15 JackGruff VanessaE, how has github now cracked down on you for using their service as a media repo? 00:15 JackGruff now -> not 00:15 VanessaE JackGruff: they have not because my largest size of repository on there is only a few hundred megs. the limit is 1GB. 00:15 VanessaE my largest pack is hosted via git on my own webspace. 00:15 JackGruff hmmm 00:16 VanessaE (because it's a bit over 1.1GB) 00:16 JackGruff i thought the issue would be the majority of files being non-code 00:16 JackGruff not size 00:16 VanessaE they don't complain, so neither do I :) 00:17 Nocte Hmm. 00:17 JackGruff yeah, im thinking some would use it as a public dropbox but maybe they haven't cottoned on 00:17 VanessaE if they complain, I'll relocate everything over to my web space. 00:17 VanessaE well I use it as a true git repository 00:17 VanessaE push, pull, clone, pull requests, the whole nine yards. 00:17 Nocte I wonder how much money one would need to make a computer that plays Crysis 3 on maxed out. :p 00:17 JackGruff play it on console. there, maxed out :] 00:19 Nocte Just playing with the idea of how much it would cost. 00:19 JackGruff looking up youtube vids 00:19 JackGruff something like "crysis 3 maxed out" should get you what you want 00:20 JackGruff then it's a case of pricing the components 00:20 JackGruff so who here is buying Space Engineers on the 23rd? 00:21 Nocte The graphics look like from a movie. o.o 00:22 Nocte Imagine if some realistic combat FPS simulator had those graphics. :D 00:23 JackGruff bf4 is coming close 00:23 JackGruff to bad they're both crap games :| 00:23 Nocte 'Realistic'.. :p 00:23 Nocte You don't survive from many shots. 00:23 JackGruff arma 3? 00:23 Nocte Kinda yeah. 00:24 Mossmanikin I miss shooters like Wolf3d, Doom I and Quake I... feeling old... :D 00:24 JackGruff so do i, moss 00:24 Nocte I feel old for seeing 'Adventure Started: 2009' in Pokémon Platinum. :( 00:24 JackGruff have you checked out shadow warrior? 00:25 JackGruff by the same devs who did hard reset 00:25 Nocte What consoles is it for? 00:25 JackGruff PC 00:25 Mossmanikin Shadow warrior, not sure if I ever heard of it... 00:25 JackGruff old school shooters on console? pffftt 00:25 Nocte Ah. 00:26 Nocte Doom was on SNES. 00:26 Nocte If I remember right. 00:26 JackGruff yes 00:26 Nocte So there you go. ;) 00:26 JackGruff but they were PC games first 00:26 Nocte Yeah. 00:26 Nocte Still there's a port for the consoles. 00:26 Nocte So it counts. 00:26 JackGruff not like today where everything is multiplat from the beginning 00:27 Nocte Or poorly shit ported version on PC. 00:27 Nocte Like Assassin's Creed games. :| 00:27 JackGruff that's the concern 00:28 Nocte Those basically require a controller to play. 00:28 Mossmanikin Too bad Unreal I for PS was never released... 00:28 Nocte Unreal? 00:28 Mossmanikin Aye 00:28 Nocte You mean UT99 or something? 00:28 JackGruff no he means unreal I 00:28 Mossmanikin Nope, Unreal I 00:28 Nocte Link? 00:29 JackGruff spoogle 00:30 Nocte Ah. 00:30 Mossmanikin was never finished for ps, but pc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal 00:30 Nocte So the original thing? 00:30 Mossmanikin Yup, but ps version was going to be another episode 00:30 Nocte My dad remembers playing Unreal Tournament 1 and hating one of the older ones for the characters looking too muscular... Haha. 00:30 Nocte Newer* 00:31 Nocte CAN'T TYPE TODAY!!! screw it. 00:32 Nocte Did quickscoping exist back in those days? 00:32 VanessaE don't feel bad. I can't type, every day. 00:32 Mossmanikin Yeah, athmosphere of the old stuff and possibilities of the new engines would be nice 00:35 Nocte Any good Xbox360 FPS games that have an actual plot? 00:36 Nocte Other than: "They evil, you hero: Go kill!" 00:36 JackGruff no, it didn't 00:36 Mossmanikin Like that description :D 00:36 JackGruff we aimed from the hips 00:36 Nocte Hehe. 00:37 Nocte Oh also: Did tea bagging exist either? :p 00:38 JackGruff no 00:38 JackGruff u can thank halo for that 00:38 JackGruff thanks for ruining FPS, bungie 00:38 JackGruff assholes 00:38 JackGruff thinking that bring FPS to console was a good thing 00:39 Nocte Its just funny joking around. No need to get pissed of at it. ;) 00:40 JackGruff eh 00:40 Mossmanikin Gaming is NOT a joke! ... :D 00:41 JackGruff Mossmanikin, you looking forward to the next Wolfenstein? 00:41 * VanessaE looks at her HDX textures for undergrowth and ponders updating them 00:41 VanessaE Mossmanikin: are you guys about done adding nodes/changing textures around? ;) 00:42 Mossmanikin JackGruff: not really, unless they succeed in bringing back the old feeling 00:42 JackGruff Mossmanikin, play the new shadow warrior, thank me later 00:42 JackGruff undergrowth is looking to be an awesome mod 00:42 Sokomine how can mt convert from leveldb to sqlite again? i forgot the exact parameter 00:43 VanessaE --migrate 00:43 Sokomine aah. thanks 00:43 VanessaE I think. 00:43 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: probably not ;P 00:43 VanessaE Mossmanikin: heh. well I've got a bundle of textures here waiting to go back into HDX once you guys settle on filenames et.al 00:44 JackGruff if there's one thing MC has, it's the vast library of texture packs 00:44 * Sokomine looks if calinou is around 00:44 JackGruff and support for them 00:44 * Nocte shoots Jackgruff with a shotgun in the head. Then moves over Jack's body and tea bags it. >:D 00:44 VanessaE Mossmanikin: which reminds me, some filenames are DoneWithInitialCase rather than lowercase_with_underscores, and names that don't match the usual modname_node_name.png formula. Can you fix that please? 00:44 Sokomine someone asked on the forum for wool-stairs. perhaps calinou could include that in moreblocks 00:44 VanessaE Sokomine: gloopblocks. 00:44 Sokomine sometimes i wish for wool stairs, slabs and tapestries 00:45 Sokomine all the nodes or just stairs? 00:45 VanessaE all the stairsplus nodes. 00:45 VanessaE every wool color 00:45 Sokomine ah. fine :-) 00:45 VanessaE castles mod has "tapestries". 00:46 Sokomine next time i'm on your server i'll put a wool block in the saw :-) 00:46 VanessaE go for it :) 00:46 Nocte Lol, people rage too much for tea bagging. I once shot a guy and then tea bagged. Later "STOP TEA BAGGING YOU NOOB." Haha, I don't get why people rage at it. :p 00:47 Nocte I wouldn't mind. It would just be more humorous. 00:47 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: aye, can't promise that much, since I'm only one of three people working on it, but naming conventions shouldn't be a problem 00:48 Sokomine what does "tea bagging" means? i'd put a tea bag into a can with hot water to get tea. but it obviously means something else here? 00:48 VanessaE Nocte: wtf is "teabagging" anyway? 00:48 JackGruff hahahahaha 00:49 JackGruff it's when you kill someone in a game, then stand over the corpse and crouch up and down 00:49 Sokomine why would you do that? 00:49 JackGruff it's an immature thing done by 14 year olds 00:49 Sokomine ah 00:49 JackGruff and men who are stuck being 14 00:49 Nocte Sokomine, to humiliate your enemies! 00:49 JackGruff like Nocte 00:49 Nocte And hear the lamentations of your enemies. 00:49 Nocte >:D 00:49 Sokomine oh. thought it might be guarding their equipment until they come back and pick it up 00:50 JackGruff how did you arrived at that? 00:50 Mossmanikin I think it's funny when playing with the right people :D 00:50 Nocte Yeah. 00:50 Nocte I got seriously no problem with it. 00:50 JackGruff do you two laugh at fart jokes? 00:50 Mossmanikin Sometimes 00:51 JackGruff OH THE CORRELATION 00:51 Nocte Why not? You gotta laugh from time to time. 00:51 Sokomine er, sorry, not the right age 00:51 JackGruff the x and the y's just line right up! 00:51 Nocte And if there's nothing else funny around. Why not. 00:51 Sokomine yes. but nothing too lame :-) that doesn't work as a joke 00:51 Mossmanikin aye 00:51 VanessaE Mossmanikin: hurry!! being unable to re-activate my Undergrowth textures is driving me nuts :) 00:52 VanessaE short drive, I admit) 00:52 Sokomine ah. working on that undergrowth. fine. i'm really curious how that will turn out 00:52 Nocte Mossaminikin, what FPS games do you play with online mode? :p 00:52 VanessaE Sokomine: in a word? BEAUTIFUL. 00:52 Sokomine although i didn't participate in the thread, i think it will make the mt world much nicer 00:52 Nocte I could challenge you in the noobdom. 00:52 Sokomine then get on with it :-))) 00:53 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: I'll most likely fix it within the next 24 hours ;) 00:53 Sokomine for now, i'll have to do a more thorough search of older versions of mods to get redcrabs world running locally. the changed cobble- and sand-textures make it look strange 00:54 Mossmanikin Nocte: Xonotic, UT99, Unreal I 00:55 Nocte UT99 Hehe... 00:55 Nocte I think there's Game of the Year edition of that in GOG. 00:56 Mossmanikin Got one of the Unreal Anthology versions, GOTY is included 00:56 Nocte Hmm.. So can you play in internet with UT99? :p 00:56 Sokomine hm, to make a game use mods from its own folder - where do i put them? 00:57 Nocte on* 00:57 Nocte Like: Not only LAN but with around the world? 00:57 Mossmanikin Well... I sure as hell know how to die and got enough frags ;) 00:59 Mossmanikin LAN's been a while, Internet not that long ago 00:59 Nocte Lol, my computer could actually run that game. ;) 00:59 Nocte It crashes with newer stuff. :( 01:00 JackGruff is mapgen using basic perlin noise? 01:00 Mossmanikin Newer stuff doesn't have a "soul" in a lot of cases anyway 01:01 JackGruff i think it would cool if we had rivers. not flat rivers but rivers that run from the top of the mountains to the sea. 01:01 Nocte Have you played SWAT 4? :p 01:01 Nocte Jack... 01:01 JackGruff i think it could be doable 01:01 Nocte I was saying that too. :| 01:01 JackGruff what? when? 01:02 JackGruff was it after i connected? 01:02 Nocte http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/lets-play/swat-4/ (Sometime later @rivers) Mossmanikin. 01:02 JackGruff mkay 01:02 JackGruff i think all the game has to do is identify a mountain 01:02 VanessaE brb 01:02 JackGruff the plot a course downhill 01:03 JackGruff then place intermediate water source nodes 01:03 JackGruff these will spill their water and should form a continuous downhill stream 01:03 JackGruff this is with infinite water, btw 01:04 JackGruff with finite water, we would have to think of something else 01:04 proller same 01:04 proller but use springs 01:04 JackGruff yes, the water at the top of the mountains could be special 01:04 Nocte We would also need snow. :| 01:05 Nocte And no water runs up! 01:05 Nocte ;) 01:05 proller Nocte, snow already here - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033 01:05 JackGruff the thing is, the same map needs to work with and without finite water or a decision needs to be made about which to keep 01:05 JackGruff and i dont think anyone want finite now in its current state 01:05 JackGruff i'll make a river by hand down a mountain to see 01:06 proller many peoples use finite 01:06 Nocte Oh also: 01:06 proller and current state is good 01:06 JackGruff yeah but finite has issues looking nice going down sharp downhills 01:06 Nocte The Waters should have their own deeper spot in the ground blocks. 01:06 jojoa1997 kinda sad when you search for mesecons it is one of the last items of 6 pages 01:06 JackGruff i once tried making a waterfall secret entrance 01:06 Nocte Hey mossmanikin, you there? :p 01:07 JackGruff but what happens is that water instantly shoots down when going straight vertical 01:07 proller Nocte, indev mapgen have lot of water springs underground 01:07 Mossmanikin Nocte: swat 4 looks like a nice game, but prefer scifi/fantasy-shooters 01:07 JackGruff so all i saw was the bottom pool rising while the top lowered, with nothing connected them visually 01:08 JackGruff connecting* 01:08 Nocte Go watch the let's play. 01:08 Nocte Spoony failing in a game is fun to watch. 01:08 JackGruff yes, especially during a stream 01:09 proller JackGruff, and 'looking nice' - its not stopper to use finite 01:09 Nocte Mossmanikin: I think I'm the opposite, I kinda dislike Sci-Fi stuff. Hehe... 01:10 Nocte Unless its near-future in Cyberpunk style setting or something like that. 01:10 Menche is there another nodename for a finite water spring? 01:10 proller no 01:11 proller spring with param2=128 01:11 proller ups, source 01:11 JackGruff well 01:11 JackGruff i have hope for the future 01:11 proller or https://gist.github.com/proller/4987328 01:11 JackGruff the game is advancing fast, actually 01:12 JackGruff far faster than MC did 01:12 Mossmanikin Nocte: Prefer fantasy stuff 'couse have RL enough ;D 01:12 Nocte Usually Sci-Fi stuff does not have interesting plots. Haha. 01:12 Nocte I guess modern times is boring unless you use it for horror. Haha. 01:14 JackGruff with fantasy the writer gets away with more liberal writing 01:14 JackGruff no magic in sci-fi 01:14 Nocte Star Wars? 01:14 Nocte ;) 01:14 JackGruff with fantasy, there's a lot you dont have to explain 01:14 Nocte Psionics = Magic. 01:14 JackGruff cuz, it's like, magic, mang 01:15 Nocte "WIZARD DID IT! Now shut up." 01:15 JackGruff yeah, and that's just soft sci-fi 01:15 Mossmanikin :D 01:15 Nocte I guess I would be bored with hard Sci-Fi becuase of the lectures. 01:15 JackGruff and thanks for reminding of the xcom enemy unknown which then reminded me of its terrible ending 01:16 Nocte "BETRAYAL!" 01:16 Nocte "BEEETRAYAL!" 01:16 Nocte Spoony to Xcom. ;) 01:16 Mossmanikin Gotta try the never released xcom alliance... 01:17 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF_Ca45JRFs <- hehe. 01:17 Nocte That was later used in Metal style song for 'Ultima IX' review. Haha. 01:18 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeaGJRV-whU <- 01:18 Evergreen !titlw 01:18 Evergreen !title 01:18 MinetestBot Evergreen: Spoony - Betrayal Song (Ultima Version) - YouTube 01:18 Nocte Hehe. 01:19 Nocte The review's gag was basically: How high does the 'Betrayal' counter go? :p 01:19 Evergreen Gotta go, see you guys later 01:19 Nocte Later. 01:19 JackGruff u guys play Kerbal Space Program? 01:20 Nocte http://spoonyexperiment.com/2012/08/11/ultima-9-ascension-finale-uncut/ <- this is the video of Ultima IX review. 01:20 Nocte But you would have to watch the whole reviews. 01:20 Nocte No wait. 01:20 Nocte http://spoonyexperiment.com/2012/05/29/ultima-9-ascension/ <- THIS. :| 01:21 Nocte !title 01:21 Mossmanikin Betrayal - Or a summary of games promised to the people 01:21 MinetestBot Nocte: The Spoony Experiment - Because bad movies and games deserve to be hurt back! 01:22 Nocte Mossmanikin, basically they screwed the lore of Ultima series and ruined the series forever. 01:22 Mossmanikin Yeah, they do that with all kinds of movies and games 01:23 Nocte And guess who screwed the game? EA. 01:24 Mossmanikin Best example (IMO): Terminator 3 & Doom 3 01:24 JackGruff they screw up Doom 4 like they did Rage and I... i don't know what i'll do 01:25 JackGruff cause Rage was a massive disappointment 01:26 Nocte Haha. 01:26 Mossmanikin Loved the idea of Spore, but EA managed to screw it 01:27 Nocte Yeah. :p 01:27 Nocte I wish there was some epic game that was based around weapon fighting in Action RPG style. 01:28 Mossmanikin That was the original idea of Unreal AFAIK 01:28 JackGruff dont bring that up, man 01:28 JackGruff what they did to will wright's vision makes my blood boil 01:28 Nocte Weapon fighting: Melee weapons that is. 01:28 JackGruff we were going to have so many more stages and realism 01:29 JackGruff but they hacked it down and made it more cartoonish 01:29 Nocte From an old game like that? Oh please. 01:29 JackGruff I hope they win the golden poo award again 01:29 JackGruff assholes 01:29 JackGruff may they die agonising deaths 01:29 Mossmanikin Yeah, 'd love to see see science spore... 01:29 Nocte Hmm: Do you guys know what are some good PS1 games? :p 01:29 jojoa1997 how do i login to github via git command line 01:30 jojoa1997 in linux terminal 01:30 Menche log in? 01:30 jojoa1997 like set the username 01:30 jojoa1997 and email and password 01:30 Mossmanikin I love "Nightmare Creatures" for ps 1 01:30 Menche you can do that from the command line? 01:31 Nocte Is there EU PAL version of that game? :p 01:32 Nocte Whoa, that game's plot. 01:32 Menche pushing to github via the command line involves generating a public/private key pair 01:32 Nocte Not clichéd at all. ;) 01:32 Nocte Mad scientist? What theories are you testing, why are doing this? :p 01:33 Mossmanikin I love clichés 01:33 JackGruff Nocte, http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Playstation 01:38 Nocte Azure Dreams seems cool. 01:41 Nocte I would also like those that are physically available and not that hard to find. @PS1 games. 01:42 JackGruff uh 01:42 JackGruff good luck 01:43 Nocte As in: Don't cost dozens of euros. :| 01:46 zat Someone remember about the 33 miners? 01:47 Nocte Whut u talking 'bout? :p /joke, 01:47 Nocte .* 01:47 zat kik 01:47 Nocte Seriously, who? 01:47 zat I had forgotten of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2P_dj0APcY 01:49 Mossmanikin Don't understand most of it 01:53 Mossmanikin Most importantly: don't know the context 01:54 Nocte Hmm guys: If Team Rocket was based of Mafia what were the other teams based of? :p 01:58 JackGruff i thought there was only rocket 01:59 * VanessaE is back. 01:59 Nocte Rocket, Magma, Aqua, Galactic, Plasma... 02:00 Nocte I don't know what the organization is in X & Y. 02:00 Mossmanikin Wb Vanessa 02:08 zat Mossmanikin: that video was edited to make the president sound super gay 02:09 Mossmanikin Ah, k, didn't sound gay to me 02:13 JackGruff um 02:13 JackGruff are saplings suppose to randomly drop from trees without doing anythin? 02:15 Mossmanikin Uhm, guess so, what should they do in your opinion? 02:16 JackGruff no, i mean are they suppose to drop without you having touched the tree 02:18 Mossmanikin Sometimes they appear because during generation some of the leave nodes get overwritten... 02:18 zsoltisawesome Lol soon TM XD 02:19 VanessaE when leaves naturally decay, they sometimes drop saplings 02:19 VanessaE so yeah 02:20 JackGruff i meant without decay 02:21 JackGruff as in they just drop them 02:21 JackGruff appear under the leave node and fall 02:21 VanessaE weird 02:21 Mossmanikin Strange... 02:21 JackGruff does undergrowth add it? because i may be hallucinating 02:22 JackGruff unless i put a block in the same node without seeing the moss and it detached.... 02:22 JackGruff :/ 02:23 Mossmanikin Only know I saw some parts of trees dissappear and saplings drop during generation several times... 02:25 Mossmanikin Don't think it has something to do with undergrowth or plantlife 02:25 JackGruff actually this gives me an idea 02:26 JackGruff when mobs finally make it into the core game.. 02:26 JackGruff we should have an extremely rare one to mimic the herobrine thing 02:26 JackGruff nah, nevermind, that would be dumb 02:27 VanessaE it's a mapgen bug 02:27 VanessaE caves get generated after everything else 02:29 Mossmanikin Looks weird: floating trees 02:30 JackGruff im off to bed, guys. enjoy your day. 02:30 Mossmanikin But wouldn't want to play a game without bugs ;) 02:31 Mossmanikin Good night 02:38 stormchaser3000 hi 02:39 stormchaser3000 dark are you onj 02:39 stormchaser3000 i think i was banned from your server 02:39 stormchaser3000 or did it restart 02:40 Mossmanikin Looks like dark isn't on 02:40 stormchaser3000 :( 02:40 stormchaser3000 i can't get the server lidt o come up 02:41 stormchaser3000 list to* 02:41 stormchaser3000 and i cannot connect to any servers 02:43 cy1 Welp, got chests that announce when they're full finally. 02:43 Mossmanikin Hm, I'm no expert on this, but sounds like it's client side 02:43 stormchaser3000 yeah i just found that out 02:44 stormchaser3000 i am now connecting 02:44 cy1 Just need Jeija and VanessaW to approve the changes to their mods and it should work...ish. 02:44 VanessaE what changes? 02:44 cy1 Still no crafting recipe... not sure if override default:chest or not 02:44 cy1 VanessaE: I was working on pipeworks today. made the autoplace code a lot faster. 02:44 VanessaE (I can approve changes to mesecons also, though I tend not to) 02:44 cy1 At least, afaict 02:45 cy1 It's a change to digilines, adding a new item called a digiline chest. 02:45 VanessaE oh yes 02:45 VanessaE well that's for the digilines mod, which I don't (think I) have write access to. 02:46 cy1 Yeah, no worries. Digilines is the best way I could think to do it though. It's either that or send morse code down mesecons. 02:46 VanessaE morse code? no... think like a geek: bit-banged I²C ;) 02:47 cy1 I'm olde schoole that way :p 02:50 Mossmanikin @VanessaE: just had the idea: would you like to have the right to change undergrowth stuff? 02:50 VanessaE no, that's okay 02:51 VanessaE I'm content to bounce my ideas off others 02:52 Mossmanikin allright, just thought you might wanna change a few small things, like naming conventions 02:57 Mossmanikin K, folks, my pillow seems to miss me, bye, later 02:57 cy1 Mossmanikin: are you responsible for the gorgeous mushrooms appearing in VanessaE's server >:(((( 02:57 VanessaE no 02:58 VanessaE That's Dan's mod doing that 02:58 VanessaE bye Mossmanikin 02:58 cy1 Oh, 'k 02:58 cy1 It's pretty good actually 03:08 VanessaE cy, is your pipeworks code ready to merge? 03:12 cy1 Should be, VanessaE. 03:12 VanessaE ok 03:12 VanessaE would you mind squashing those commits? 03:12 cy1 squashing? 03:12 cy1 man, sonic screwdriver is so worthless 03:12 VanessaE git rebase -i HEAD~3 or so 03:12 cy1 wait wait, rebase? Why? 03:13 VanessaE that's how you combine multiple commits into one 03:14 cy1 They're fine as individual commits. I was careful to isolate different things I was doing into each commit. 03:14 cy1 Unless it would cause conflicts somehow...? 03:14 VanessaE It would cause confusion on my part :)\ 03:17 cy1 I suppose since they're just fixes I could give it a shot. 03:17 stormchaser3000 hey vanessa can you do windows build 03:17 stormchaser3000 builds 03:17 VanessaE stormchaser3000: nope. 03:17 stormchaser3000 :( 03:17 VanessaE I don't touch windows at all 03:17 cy1 sorry stormchaser3000 me neither :( 03:18 stormchaser3000 i am trying to compile minetest-classic 03:18 stormchaser3000 but cmake is failing me 03:18 stormchaser3000 so is mingw 03:21 cy1 Sorry VanessaE, rebase doesn't seem to work right. 03:21 VanessaE it's okay, I'll do it. 03:22 cy1 git rebase -i 1233be126dcbc200b26040ede32c551be1b7d15c 03:22 cy1 -> 14 picks none of which are 1233be and only the last one is mine 03:23 stormchaser3000 who wants to log into redcrab.suret.net port 30031 minetest 0.3.1 03:23 VanessaE I'll fix it, np worries. 03:24 stormchaser3000 and see all of the griefing at spawn 03:24 stormchaser3000 from many years 03:24 cy1 git rebase -i 1233be126dcbc200b26040ede32c551be1b7d15c~1 gives me the right ones... it doesn't include the merge commit though? 03:25 cy1 Are merges automatically squashed? 03:25 cy1 stormchaser3000: I don't have interact there, sorry. 03:25 stormchaser3000 no i mean minetest 0.3.1 03:26 stormchaser3000 you don't need build 03:26 stormchaser3000 not minetest 0.4.4 03:30 VanessaE damn it 03:30 VanessaE that didn't work right. 03:31 stormchaser3000 but=t you will have tto compile minetest 0.3.1 if you odn't already have it compiled 03:33 VanessaE cy1: gimme a sec to fix what I busted. 03:39 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commit/28328d975c55b13ce7d2770f5e5ec643f7ac84ac 03:40 VanessaE you'll want to force-pull 03:40 VanessaE I had to argue with a bit 03:40 VanessaE with it* 04:35 VanessaE bbl 04:36 okk what the 04:37 stormchaser3000 lol 04:48 cy1 VanessaE: You did it! 04:49 cy1 ugh, it wants me to merge though :( 04:50 cy1 OK I switched the branch to yours 06:06 reactor o/ 06:10 rotcaer "bleached whale" 07:46 webdesigner97 hi 07:49 webdesigner97 someone here? 07:50 rotcaer Hmm. 07:51 rotcaer Do I need separate directory pear each server? 07:51 rotcaer Or is having different configs sufficient? 07:51 rotcaer But how do I prevent them from fighting over, say, debug.txt? 07:52 Calinou separate directory I guess 07:52 rotcaer mk 07:59 webdesigner97 why is there no stack param in on_metadata_inventory_move ? 08:00 webdesigner97 *allow_metadata_inventory_move 08:02 webdesigner97 Because I want to know which item the player is moving in the form 08:06 webdesigner97 nevermind, another question: 08:07 webdesigner97 How does the result of inv:get_stack() look like? It is some kind of userdata, but I don't know how I can continue my work with it 08:08 webdesigner97 ah, inv:get_stack():to_table 09:12 rotcaer VanessaE: o/ 09:12 rotcaer VanessaE: do you run all servers from the same dir? 09:34 Nocte Hmm... 09:58 rotcaer Is there a way to create pidfiles fot MT? 11:13 JamesTait Good day all; happy Ada Lovelace Day! :-D 11:15 RealBadAngel hi all 11:43 Evergreen Hey everyone! 12:11 Evergreen Question: How do I make a debian package for a python program? 12:12 Evergreen With dependencies liket tk, and pygtk 12:13 Dark_Soul good morning everyone :) 12:14 rotcaer mowing 12:15 Dark_Soul ?? 13:45 rubenwardy Hi all 13:47 rotcaer o/ 14:00 VanessaE rotcaer: each server has its own world folder of course, but they otherwise run from the same home directory/user account. 14:00 rotcaer mk 14:02 rotcaer Well, I've made a script that spawns an arbitrary number of servers: all servers from the directory 14:02 rotcaer but when I invoke it from rc.d, it loses track of them 14:03 rotcaer and if I try killing all child processes from trap, it hangs 14:03 rotcaer lame :( 14:03 VanessaE huh. 14:04 VanessaE well mine launches each server from its own script as wel;l 14:04 VanessaE well* 14:04 VanessaE the two scripts are spawned from rc.local 14:06 rotcaer yep 14:06 rotcaer I'm trying to spawn arbitrary number of servers from rc.d 14:07 rotcaer that would allow for more flexibiilty 14:07 rotcaer as in, killing servers by "service" command 14:07 VanessaE right 14:07 rotcaer and creating/destroying them on the fly 14:07 VanessaE for me it's easier to ps axw|grep minetestserver :) 14:07 rotcaer mk 14:08 rotcaer well, I'm trying to do everything as though I were controlling a big, multiuser machine 14:08 rotcaer that'll reduce kludge rate when I come to using one of these 14:14 sfan5 what the... http://paulgraham.com/spamhaussbl.html 14:17 VanessaE why does that name seem so familiar... 14:27 proller spring mod (and sponge) included in -next (for liqud_finite) 14:36 VanessaE spring mod? 14:37 VanessaE proller, -dev. opinions? 14:37 proller for infinity source with liqud_finite 14:38 VanessaE ah yes 14:49 thexyz sfan5: wow spamhaus sucks! i'm so surprised 14:50 thexyz we just need to use proof-of-work system in emails 14:50 thexyz yeah, hashcash 14:54 reactor VanessaE: so far I have this 14:55 reactor http://pastebin.com/xECNXJqs 14:56 reactor it works from the test user's shell, and all instances of minetest terminate as soon as it is terminated 14:57 reactor when I daemonise it using daemon(8), they don't die 15:03 reactor Got it. 15:04 reactor added pkill -U $user in the rc script, so that mixbehaving processes are shot. 15:04 reactor s/mix/mis/ 15:09 FreeFull A mixbehaving process is pulseaudio? 15:12 reactor FreeFull: heh 15:13 reactor rather, mismixbehaving 15:13 reactor I still don't see any use for pulseaudio on typical home system. It's either pointless on computers running for science. 15:14 reactor The former don't usually need remote playback. The latter either don't have sound system at all. If they do, they don't play many sounds. 15:16 FreeFull reactor: pulseaudio makes things not work so I have it uninstalled under all circumstances 15:16 reactor I do. 15:16 reactor I rather go about not installing it in the first place. 15:17 reactor For systems I work with now have built-in sound out of the box. 15:17 reactor So. I'm almost done setting up scalable minetest hosting. Where can I post about the method? 15:18 reactor (how can GNU devs not be bigots if they do everything to give their OS a bad name) 15:20 zat like what 15:22 thexyz reactor: I use pulseaudio, it 15:22 thexyz it's very handy 15:22 reactor handy at what? 15:22 reactor What does it do that OSS doesn't? 15:23 reactor Why need to reinvent the wheel for a millionth time? 15:23 thexyz I've never used OSS 15:23 reactor That's waste of human resources. 15:23 thexyz it's handy because I can easily control per-app volume 15:23 thexyz and per-app output 15:23 zat reactor: you should really read a comparison between OSS and Pulseaudio 15:23 thexyz and it's simple 15:23 reactor simple? 15:23 thexyz yes, for me it just works 15:23 reactor it's frail 15:24 thexyz dunno 15:24 thexyz just werks 15:24 reactor zat: I've seen it. 15:24 reactor zat: I've used both. 15:24 zat now you need to understand it 15:24 thexyz how can I get OSS? 15:24 reactor But somehow, pulseaudio wouldn't work as well. 15:24 reactor It just wouldn't hack it. 15:24 reactor Not only for me. 15:25 reactor And I don't see anything new it introduces. 15:25 thexyz there are a lot of DEPRECATED messages everywhere near OSS 15:25 reactor Wawnt sound over network? Well, why not use JACK then? 15:25 reactor thexyz: in GNU, yes. 15:25 reactor Not in UNIX. 15:25 thexyz well, I'm using GNU/Linux here 15:25 thexyz or how should we call it now 15:26 reactor Again, GNU developers do everything to make it all worse. 15:26 reactor Not fixing what is broken and breaking what is known to work well. 15:26 thexyz yeah sure 15:26 VanessaE strange, ALSA seems to work fine for me, pulse on top of that always seems to have some minor problem 15:26 thexyz reactor: does OSS have per app output device? 15:26 reactor Not only GNU suffers from that. Mozilla tards are like that, too. 15:26 reactor Why need it? 15:26 VanessaE pulse fights for control of the mixer settings, in particular 15:27 reactor thexyz: apps could have their built in amplitude controls if they wanted. 15:27 thexyz reactor: I have two video cards, one is wired to my monitor and another one to TV 15:27 thexyz I want XBMC to output sound to second videocard's HDMI 15:27 reactor thexyz: and here, I _can_ play many sounds simultaneously, don't know how. 15:27 thexyz and everything else to built-in analog mobo stereo 15:27 reactor Per-device output? That should be there. 15:28 reactor audio0, audio1, etc. 15:28 thexyz no, no, per-application output device, can I set it? 15:28 reactor VanessaE: exactly 15:28 reactor pulse can not go a single day without problems 15:28 reactor thexyz: yes 15:29 thexyz well, XBMC is sane enough to support it itself 15:29 reactor thexyz: most programs have device selection in their configs 15:29 thexyz that's nice to know 15:29 thexyz so why should I switch if it works fine for me? 15:30 thexyz I mean, are there any obvious benefits? 15:30 reactor You wouldn't, until you ran into problems. 15:30 reactor And there are no benefits in pulseaudio. 15:30 reactor It just is another non-standard kludge. 15:30 reactor s/just is/is just/ 15:30 thexyz oh, okay 15:31 thexyz will I run into problems? 15:31 VanessaE why did we stop using ESD again? 15:32 VanessaE what was so wrong with that one? 15:33 thexyz wait, reactor, what should typical GNU/Linux user use instead of pulseaudio then? 15:34 thexyz on a typical home system 15:34 reactor VanessaE: esd... not sure 15:34 reactor but it's old-ass 15:34 reactor and probably is non-standard, too 15:34 reactor thexyz: OSS. 15:35 VanessaE yep I know 15:35 reactor thexyz: But linsux is deprecating it 15:35 VanessaE it's quite old, but it worked perfectly for what it was supposed to do 15:35 thexyz reactor: yeah, it's marked as deprecated everywhere 15:35 reactor Not in BSD, afaik. 15:36 thexyz well, I'm talking about systems people actually use 15:36 reactor But it's called with some other name here. 15:36 reactor Well, BSD _is_ actually used. 15:38 zat u just moaning out of frustration for something is not working for you 15:38 reactor Its lower popularity, in fact, helps keep idiots away from the community. 15:38 reactor I'm fine. Everything is working here now. 15:38 zat good then 15:38 zat also, who says that reinventing the wheel is necessarily something bad... 15:39 reactor Yet, I'm frustrated to see how many programs try to pull in crapware as dependencies. 15:39 reactor Why reincent it poorly, if you can improve on it! 15:39 reactor s/cent/vent/ 15:39 zat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9SWIsY8rzQ 15:39 reactor I wouldn't mind if pulse was one of possible options. But recently firefox has dropped oss support. 15:40 thexyz I'm frustrated to see how shitty the community can be 15:40 reactor ...then I got rid of firefox 15:41 zat hey Firefox drops my ram every time I open it 15:41 reactor Oh yeah, that. I've been using a Debian-based distribution, and its community, once bright, grew retarded. 15:41 zat is it normal that it consumes averagely like 1gb? 15:41 reactor zat: try and replace it with xombrero 15:41 reactor zat: it really is faster 15:42 reactor AND it supports all stuff firefox does. 15:42 thexyz I mean, here's the free software 15:42 thexyz people developing it don't benefit from that 15:42 zat You mean it is compatible with FFs plugins and such? 15:42 thexyz yet people complain and complain and call those people "tards" or something 15:42 reactor zat: no 15:43 zat what things that firefox supports does it support then 15:43 reactor thexyz: if they developed it properly, as in, fixed what is really bloody broken, they wouldn't be called that 15:43 reactor But they're assholes. 15:43 thexyz yeah, you see 15:43 thexyz just like I said 15:43 reactor zat: it passes compatibility tests 15:43 thexyz it's good those people are smart enough to ignore those complaints 15:44 zat reactor: you mean they use a fully standards compliant rendering engine/javascript interreter? 15:44 reactor I believe so, yes. 15:45 zat good 15:45 zat I would miss many FF plugins thoug 15:47 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks 15:48 thexyz complaining about software is ok, calling people "assholes" because they don't do what you want them to is wrong 15:48 thexyz that's just my personal opinion though 15:49 zat I plus one it 15:49 thexyz is this attitude popular in BSD community? 15:49 reactor they not only do not do what I want, they do not do what sane members of the user community want 15:49 thexyz I'll make sure to keep away from it in that case 15:49 reactor I have not seen any bloatware becoming mandatory in BSD. 15:50 thefamilygrog66 Am I right/wrong in this case? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=114404#p114404 15:50 thexyz this doesn't answer my question though 15:50 reactor Come and see for yourself. 15:50 reactor I'm not a statistics person. 15:51 reactor What do you want from me? 15:52 thexyz well I personally want you to stop insulting people but that's unlikely to happen and I've got no right to stop you from doing that as well 15:53 thexyz so, nothing, I guess 15:53 thexyz sorry for taking your precious time 15:54 reactor I/O error. 15:58 thexyz that's not nice 15:59 reactor Yeah? man nice(1) 15:59 reactor Pardon. 15:59 reactor man 1 nice 16:00 thefamilygrog66 What does Redd Foxx say? 16:00 Jordach Standing by. 16:00 thefamilygrog66 "Beauty may be only skin deep, but ugly cuts straight to the bone." 16:01 reactor Exactly. 16:01 VanessaE hey grog. 16:02 reactor So eh. 16:02 thefamilygrog66 howdy V. merged yer lrfurn doodad 16:02 VanessaE I saw just now :) 16:02 VanessaE figured I'd save you the trouble : 16:02 VanessaE :D 16:02 reactor Where can I publish my method of deploying minetest servers? 16:02 Jordach ...english :P 16:02 thefamilygrog66 thanks for doing the dirty work for me 16:03 VanessaE meh, it was easy :) 16:03 thefamilygrog66 reactor, maybe in the servers forum, as a sticky? 16:03 reactor Idk. 16:03 proller reactor, for freebsd was uncommited rc.d script 16:03 VanessaE now if I could just get zeg9 to show up 16:03 VanessaE I said zeg9, not calinou. 16:03 thefamilygrog66 what are you bugging him about, V? 16:03 reactor I'm not quite friends with web interfaces to forums. 16:03 VanessaE *shakes fist at the aether* 16:03 thefamilygrog66 :) 16:03 reactor proller: may I have a look at it? 16:04 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: just a pull request that's been waiting for about a week :) 16:04 thefamilygrog66 "not quite friends"? that's an odd description. 16:04 thefamilygrog66 ahh, 16:04 thefamilygrog66 item frames? 16:04 reactor proller: what I'm trying to achieve here is running multiple servers from single rc script, automatically detecting the number of servers 16:04 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: no, actually this: https://github.com/Zeg9/farming_plus/pull/1 16:04 reactor If there were mailing lists, that'd be easy. 16:05 thefamilygrog66 @VanessaE: tell Dan Quayle that... 16:05 VanessaE reactor: use the forum, minetest-related projects section 16:05 reactor mk 16:05 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: no, DQ spelled it "patatoe" I think it was :) 16:05 reactor idk, later this week, probably 16:06 VanessaE nope, I'm wrong 16:06 VanessaE he spelled it "potatoe" also :) 16:06 reactor Misspellings can reveal psychological characteristics, sometimes. 16:06 VanessaE reactor: maybe but even Frau...Freud said sometimes a cake is just a cake. 16:06 thefamilygrog66 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI 16:06 thefamilygrog66 haha 16:06 reactor VanessaE: true that. 16:06 reactor But eh. 16:06 proller http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/178244 16:07 thefamilygrog66 pie > cake 16:07 proller but rc for one server only 16:07 reactor the pie is ~3.14 lies. 16:07 reactor proller: yep 16:07 reactor I'm trying to be scalable here. 16:07 VanessaE I'm pretty sure the pie is the truth, but I can' 16:07 VanessaE can't speak for the cake 16:07 * thefamilygrog66 likes pie. 16:07 reactor (for this application, one need to compile the server with RUN_IN_PLACE) 16:08 reactor VanessaE: I've eaten it. Now it's a lie. 16:08 proller reactor, noo! 16:08 reactor Yeah. You can't have any. 16:08 * reactor burps 16:09 thefamilygrog66 @VanessaE, now I have to add ottomans (and maybe a few other furnishings) and allow the items to be stackable. Is that the term I'm looking for? 16:09 proller must be compiled without RUN_IN_PLACE and multi-server config by separate confog/worlddirs 16:09 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: yes, on both counts 16:09 VanessaE just don't set the stack_max 16:09 VanessaE by default it's 99 16:09 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, thought so - not sure why I used that line. 16:09 thefamilygrog66 Copied from something else, I guess. 16:10 thefamilygrog66 Oh yeah, I'll only add another 85 textures as well, just to keep you on your HD toes. 16:10 VanessaE ARGH!!!!!!!!! 16:10 thefamilygrog66 bahahaha 16:10 Jordach lololol 16:10 VanessaE KILL...MAIM......DESTROY...... 16:10 reactor proller: aha 16:10 VanessaE :) 16:10 reactor proller: I'm yet to get how to do that. 16:11 VanessaE HDX is getting so big now it' 16:11 VanessaE it's bursting at the seams 16:11 thefamilygrog66 might have to separate it into categories, or something 16:12 VanessaE I've considered doing that but it would be...non-trivial. 16:12 proller reactor, sample: /usr/ports/www/fcgiwrap/files/fcgiwrap.in 16:12 thefamilygrog66 a non-trivial pursuit 16:12 MinetestBot Chill VanessaE, chill. Don't lose your rag over 85 textures which wouldn't take long. 16:13 thefamilygrog66 oh my goodness 16:13 Jordach holy fuck holy fuck 16:13 VanessaE well I already have two trivial pursuits sitting on the laundry room shelf........ 16:13 VanessaE hush, jordach :) 16:13 MinetestBot Meow. 16:13 thefamilygrog66 the Canadian edition, eh? 16:13 VanessaE ok, neko then :"D 16:14 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: actually the Silver Screen edition and the Jewish version called "Tradition" 16:14 Jordach in other news: I found a way to remove the google search bar from my chrome new tab 16:14 thefamilygrog66 cool 16:15 * Jordach pets MinetestBot 16:15 * MinetestBot Purrs. 16:15 reactor proller: that one allows running many programs from a single rc script? 16:16 proller yes 16:17 proller its fcgi specific, but you need make +- same 16:17 proller split configs, worlddirs, pids 16:19 reactor oh. 16:19 reactor I've just realised what I've been slapping together was a kludge. 16:20 reactor I'll be adapting that script this week. 16:21 reactor And thank you for directions. 16:23 thexyz are mailing lists better than forums? 16:23 proller reactor, /usr/ports/www/apache22/files/apache22.in 16:24 reactor thexyz: yes. You don't need browser to write to them. 16:24 reactor You don't need to remember passwords. 16:24 proller /usr/ports/www/nginx/files/nginx.in 16:24 reactor And if you subscribe, you can receive messages in bulk. 16:24 thexyz reactor: what about archives? 16:25 reactor well, you do need a browser for them, but text-only browser can suffice. 16:25 reactor Heck, you can even get them with netcat! 16:25 thexyz no, no 16:25 thexyz I mean, they're very inconvenient to use 16:25 thexyz all those web interfaces to archives 16:25 reactor oh 16:26 reactor but web forums are even less convenient and distracting 16:26 reactor I haven't had any problems with netbsd mailing lists archives 16:26 reactor very clean 16:26 thexyz I can't understand that 16:27 markveidemanis HI 16:27 reactor markveidemanis: o/ 16:27 reactor thexyz: okay. 16:27 thexyz reactor: could you give a link to some archive? 16:27 reactor netbsd.org/ eh I don't remember. 16:27 thexyz like http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-bugs/2013/10/15/msg034697.html ? 16:28 reactor oh yeah. 16:28 thexyz hm.. I don't see how's that more convenient than forums; on forums it's easy to check all replies 16:29 thexyz and those archives appear to be threaded but you can't navigate threads in sane way 16:29 reactor It takes time to understand it. Sometimes you are very very limited. Say, you're ssh'ing into your machine from some lame old-ass Windows machine at school. 16:29 reactor you can 16:29 reactor there are links below 16:30 markveidemanis Is it possible to get a free vps? 16:30 markveidemanis For messing around 16:30 thexyz but I don't know how many threads there are; say there's the first message and two replies to it, and then one reply to the first reply to the original message 16:30 reactor so what, see the index 16:31 reactor all the Re: and Re: Re: and Re: Re: Re: are stored sequentially, afaik. 16:32 thexyz now there are titles of message but no content 16:32 reactor So what? 16:32 thexyz this is inconvenient 16:32 reactor There are those right and keft keys on your keyboard. 16:32 reactor Okay? 16:32 reactor It's easier than having to reach for the mouse and getting back pain from it. 16:33 thexyz yeah, what should I do with those keys? 16:33 thexyz oh 16:33 reactor idk, they're usually bound to navigation 16:34 thexyz I guess you're talking about text based browsers 16:34 reactor No. 16:35 reactor In graphical ones, it's usually Meta-Right and Meta-Left. 16:35 markveidemanis What dependencies do i need for a bare server? 16:35 thexyz dunno, really; there's no search either 16:35 markveidemanis and will a server run on CentOS? 16:35 reactor markveidemanis: compile it there - it will. 16:35 markveidemanis I mean the depends 16:35 reactor thexyz: google can search sites, did you know that? 16:36 thexyz reactor: yeah, I do know that 16:36 thexyz reactor: but from my experience it doesn't work very well with those lists 16:36 thexyz for example, reply is indexed and original message is not 16:36 reactor Also, thexyz, there are alternative interfaces to archives. 16:37 reactor Heck, some even pretend to look like forums. 16:37 thexyz I've never seen anything as convenient as basic forum app but I'll take your word for that 16:44 reactor Meh. 16:44 reactor Again, can't access them well over ASCII-only comms. 16:46 thexyz I don't think those are very popular 16:47 reactor You never know from where you log into your machine to do things. 16:47 reactor Sometimes it's a mobile phone. 16:48 thexyz I'm not following then; why can't you browse from your phone's web browser? 16:48 thexyz if you need to 16:48 reactor Because most phone browsers are lame. 16:48 reactor Plainly. 16:48 thexyz huh 16:48 reactor They're terribly made, slow, pushing phones' resource to the limit. 16:49 reactor (it's the case with phone software, in general) 16:49 thexyz so instead you'd prefer to browse the net from text-based browser running at your PC which you access via SSH from your phone, right? 16:49 reactor Indeed. 16:49 thexyz I'm sorry. 16:49 reactor As side effect, it's less traffic. 16:50 reactor Cheaper. 16:50 Jordach that;s true 16:50 reactor And faster. 16:50 Jordach yup 16:50 reactor My point is, why crawl when you can fly? 16:50 thexyz hm.. 16:51 thexyz I don't see how's that "less traffic" 16:51 Jordach did thexyz just get pwned by reactor's love of BSD 16:51 Jordach JESUS FUCK 16:51 * Jordach needs more meds 16:52 thexyz well what's wrong with BSD? 16:52 Jordach nothing 16:52 reactor Not only BSD can be used for that. 16:52 reactor Eh. 16:52 Jordach except a bit more paranoid than linux 16:52 reactor Paranoid? 16:52 thexyz I just can't understand the reasoning 16:53 thexyz you can turn off images and whatever else in your phone's browser and it'll take same amount (if not less) of traffic 16:53 reactor There is something wrong with people who call those who like to be organised paranoid or obsessed. 16:53 reactor thexyz: even with that, phone browsers suck 16:53 thexyz compared to text-based? 16:54 reactor thexyz: they will do all kinds of nasty things with non-mobile pages, so you can see nothing but garbled garbage 16:54 reactor Yes, they even suck compared with 20 years old text browsers. 16:54 reactor s/with/to/ 16:54 thexyz eh 16:54 reactor s/even suck/suck even/ 16:54 thexyz I guess my power level is still too low to understand that 16:55 thexyz I'll work on improving it and then will reread this conversation some day 16:55 reactor Low power? Get a generator. 16:55 thexyz I've got a lot of generators in my python code, doesn't help 16:55 reactor Diesel generators are affordable. 16:55 thefamilygrog66 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alynx 16:56 reactor thexyz: error. 16:56 thefamilygrog66 Things were so much simpler with Lynx... 16:57 thexyz reactor: do you actually use the setup you described? text-based-browser-over-ssh 16:57 reactor When stuck in a traffic jam, I do. 16:57 reactor That's how I spend otherwise useless time. 16:58 thexyz interesting 17:00 reactor I could also chat, mail or even slap together a small program. 17:00 thexyz do you do that? 17:00 reactor Why not. 17:01 reactor When at the computer lab, I don't need to learn the weird interface of Mac OS. Instead, I can ssh home and use the system I know well. 17:01 thexyz "slap together a small program", from your phone 17:01 reactor Yes. 17:02 reactor It's probably new to you you can program without all these complicated IDE's with tons of functionality you will never use. 17:03 thexyz the fact that someone codes from his phone is new to me, indeed 17:05 Jordach thexyz, i once coded c on an iPad 17:05 Jordach using the notes app 17:05 reactor thexyz: okay. You can call me a pervert if you want. But I do this. 17:06 reactor And I find it better than just sitting somewhere waiting for something, wasting life. 17:07 thexyz reactor: what do you code? 17:08 reactor Currently I'm working on a program that calculates the Hubbard model 17:08 reactor Nothing big, just getting familiar with the already written one, parallelising it on the way. 17:17 FreeFull reactor: Which system do you know well? Some linux? BSD? 17:19 reactor I know a bit of UNIX in general. 17:19 reactor I currently am learning BSD. 17:19 reactor Having had previously several used Linux-based OS. 17:22 reactor FreeFull: why? 17:23 FreeFull Just was curious 17:23 reactor Curiosity killed the cat, they say. 17:23 reactor Just saying. 17:31 reactor Do you want to talk about it? 17:35 webdesigner97 hi 17:37 VanessaE hi 17:43 * thefamilygrog66 is not a pony. 17:44 * Jordach neither 17:44 * webdesigner97 modded with InvRefs for the first time and is happy with the result 17:44 * MinetestBot neither 17:46 webdesigner97 brb 17:47 reactor john_minetest: o/ 17:50 reactor john_minetest: anything new? 17:51 reactor mk 17:51 reactor john_minetest: can you mail me some screens of Svet? 17:52 reactor there are not many 17:52 reactor idk 17:53 webdesi98 omg, why am I seeing a leave-message with my name?! 17:53 webdesi98 oh 17:53 webdesi98 o.O 17:54 reactor webdesi98: pwned. 17:54 webdesi98 weird 17:55 webdesigner97 test 17:55 webdesigner97 ah, this is better 17:57 reactor tset 18:09 * Jordach found 820mb in the recycle bin as usual 18:09 webdesigner97 only 820mb? 18:09 NakedFury I hate having even a byte in the recycle bin 18:10 reactor desktop metaphor is a failed concept 18:10 reactor I mean, flawed. 18:10 reactor Because computer screen ain't no desk. 18:10 webdesigner97 :D 18:10 reactor Heck, if I wanted a real desk, I would buy a real desk. 18:11 webdesigner97 gtg, bye :) 18:11 reactor see you around, mate 18:11 Jordach john_minetest, i once got it to 10gb after dozens of warnings of low disk space 18:11 Jordach john_minetest, pony porn, that's why :P 18:12 Jordach and there's another 100mb lying around 18:12 Jordach thank you minetest-classic for eating ~100mb 18:12 * Jordach is cleaning up the place 18:14 * Jordach spawns CCleaner 18:14 Jordach iTunes....Welcome to your doom! 18:15 Jordach we should play first name roulette with people such as blockmen 18:30 * Jordach is approaching 50% free space on C:\ 18:31 reactor Windwows. 18:31 Jordach reactor, 24GB used 18:31 reactor By it? 18:31 Jordach reactor, some other apps 18:31 reactor But that's still fat. 18:31 Jordach blender, a few 5gib games 18:31 Jordach my media partition is nearly full 18:31 thefamilygrog66 too many blender renders 18:32 reactor I had blender in a system that is about 8 GB. 18:33 Jordach wut 18:33 Jordach wat wat wat 18:33 Jordach 24.4gb -> 24.5gb 18:33 Jordach im uninstalling shit wtf 18:34 * Menche 's home dir is 68 GB 18:35 * Menche didn't know he had that much stuff 18:35 Evergreen Binary clocks FTW: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8np0kd1nz0qmj7f/binary_clock.png 18:37 reactor Evergreen: what's the point? 18:37 reactor Now _that_ is pervert. 18:38 Evergreen No point, except it looks cool 18:38 thexyz I'd say that's just showing off 18:38 Evergreen It also is good practice for reading binary 18:38 reactor thexyz: _and_ perverted. 18:38 thexyz okay, okay 18:38 reactor Evergreen: it is, but nto for clocks. 18:39 thexyz why do you need to read binary? 18:39 reactor I would say, that is so typical of desltop Linux users. 18:39 reactor s/lt/kt/ 18:39 Jordach just found 1.5gb hiding on the desktop 18:39 reactor One would need to read binary while doing old machines. 18:39 reactor In modern UNIX, not so often. 18:39 Evergreen Never meant to start an argument. :P 18:40 Jordach 27.9gb free now 18:41 Jordach 23.5gb used by windows and installs 18:42 Jordach !deop VanessaE 18:42 Jordach you don't need it 18:43 Jordach and there's 514mb just lying around wtf 18:44 thexyz http://bpaste.net/show/140801/ 18:44 thexyz and I have no idea how much of this stuff I don't actually need 18:44 Jordach not bad 18:45 Jordach considering im stuck with 160gb, i've learned space efficiency 18:45 thexyz that's a good skill to have 18:45 Jordach thexyz, i would blitz 1tb in about ~6 years 18:46 Jordach it took me about two years to fill my media partition which is about ~100gb 18:46 Jordach and i have an extra ~25gb hidden as a linux partition 18:46 thexyz I dunno, files just appear somehow 18:47 Jordach thexyz, my question is: where do they come from 18:48 Jordach mhm 18:48 thexyz Jordach: oh that's easy 18:48 thexyz 1080p bds weight a lot 18:48 Jordach when i get my newer gaming machine (at some point this year) i should be getting 1tb internal + 1tb external 18:50 Jordach i may eventually just nuke the entire drive when im done and turn it into an xmbc server 18:50 thexyz xbmc 18:50 thexyz it's nice 18:50 Jordach (this current machine - it's still up to the task) 18:51 Jordach and it might become my quassel core 18:51 thexyz but video player isn't very good in my opinion 18:51 Jordach thexyz, it'll become a media sharer in the house 18:51 thexyz sharer? 18:52 thexyz is there much point in xbmc then? 18:52 Jordach basically, put all movies, tv, music, photos and everyone gets to view it 18:52 Jordach thexyz, we have several TVs in the house, one of which is connected to an xbox360 - which happens to work with xmbc 18:52 Jordach movies without the hassle of windows media centre 18:53 thexyz does it still support xbox? 18:53 Jordach yes 18:53 Jordach provided i get it setup right 18:53 thexyz hmm 18:53 Jordach but until i get my gaming machine, this will have to wait 18:54 thexyz I think they don't officially support it anymore 19:14 VanessaE bbl 19:15 reactor Good night. 19:34 cy1 You know what minetest needs? Toys. 19:34 cy1 Not like, toys to play with. But toys to provide ambience. 19:34 cy1 (Toys to play with would be cool too though) 19:36 Calinou it also needs GPG 19:47 Jordach lol Calinou 19:47 cy1 Calinou: Tried that. Nobody liked it. :/ 19:48 Calinou nopony 19:52 Jordach cy1, you mean this: http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/The_Penetrator 19:54 cy1 Calinou: what's your ID? Mine's 0AC7DA56 19:54 Calinou ID? 19:55 thefamilygrog66 Is that a MAC address, cy1? 19:56 ruskie looks like a pgp key id 19:57 cy1 augh, circular saws eat items 19:57 cy1 thefamilygrog66: It's a PGP key ID. Specifically 3072D/0AC7DA56 19:58 thefamilygrog66 ah, gotcha 19:59 thefamilygrog66 what sorta toys do you have in mind? 20:00 cy1 Balls, rocking horses, teddy bears, idk 20:02 thefamilygrog66 physics changing magic beans? :) 20:09 * NekoGloop slaps TheLastProject with a giant fish 20:09 TheLastProject :| 20:10 NekoGloop :D 20:10 TheLastProject :| 20:10 Menche :D 20:12 NekoGloop :| 20:22 * sfan5 throws a kitten at NekoGloop 20:23 * NekoGloop catches him and cuddles him~ :3 20:30 * sfan5 puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head 20:33 NekoGloop :3 21:26 stormchaser3000 hi 21:27 sapier1 welcome 21:27 VanessaE hi 21:27 stormchaser3000 hi sapier 21:27 stormchaser3000 hi vanessa 21:28 stormchaser3000 hey sapier do you know how to compile mientest for windows 21:29 sapier1 I once knew but last time I tried I failed and didn't have time to find out why ;-) 21:30 stormchaser3000 um ok just a sec i am going to see if sd zen compiled it for me 21:30 stormchaser3000 nope 21:36 stormchaser3000 can you compile this git (or at least try):https://gitorious.org/minetest-classic/minetest-classic/source/175ec66792d19d6061097e2c00af5dce3f05240d: 21:36 stormchaser3000 https://gitorious.org/minetest-classic/minetest-classic/source/175ec66792d19d6061097e2c00af5dce3f05240d: 21:37 sapier1 I don't have a win32/win64 build env atm sorry 21:37 stormchaser3000 minetest classic 21:37 stormchaser3000 oh ok 22:23 VanessaE cy1: *poke* 22:28 cy1 VanessaE: *squeak* 22:29 VanessaE cy1: msg 23:54 Evergreen Hey everyone 23:55 VanessaE hi