Time  Nick           Message
00:07 pitriss        please, is there way to replace already registered recipe instead of adding alternative recipe?
00:09 NakedFury      the lua file
00:09 NakedFury      I guess no
00:11 pitriss        okay.. i will try to solve conflict in recipes in other way.. thanks anyway
00:13 VanessaE       there is no way from within a mod to do so, no
01:47 arsdragonfly   VanessaE there should be
01:48 VanessaE       agreed
01:53 kahrl          well there was #696 but it was never merged
01:55 VanessaE       kahrl: how goes your http fetch work?
01:56 kahrl          I've been busy with other stuff, sadly
01:56 VanessaE       ohh
01:57 VanessaE       you should merge that soon
02:00 * NekoGloop    curls up in VanessaE's lap
02:00 VanessaE       heh
02:41 arsdragonfly   pitriss: try this : function a() = minetest:register_craft_recipe()
02:42 arsdragonfly   minetest:register_craft_recipe() = function if not (the recipe to be replaced) then a(parameter) end
02:42 arsdragonfly   I'm not quite sure about the syntax, but I hope you get my point anyway :P
02:43 pitriss        arsdragonfly: ok i will try that morning.. now I'm going to sleep.. ty for advice..:)
02:44 arsdragonfly   My pleasure
02:44 pitriss        night all
02:49 NakedFury      first under lab!
03:52 zsoltisawesome Y u no talk minetest?
04:04 RealBadAngel   hi all
04:04 NakedFury      hi
04:08 zsoltisawesome You know what? Here: http://postimg.org/image/r5vzr2kq3/
04:08 rotcaer        o/
04:09 zsoltisawesome \o
04:16 RedBlade7      hi
04:16 RedBlade7      is there any way to have hardware acceleration on linux with minetest?
04:16 RealBadAngel   new video with parallax mapping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEH9vXKRIHU
04:16 RedBlade7      i get 60-70 FPS and max CPU
04:17 RealBadAngel   theres FPS cap at 60
04:17 RedBlade7      ok
04:17 RealBadAngel   you can turn it off in config
04:18 RedBlade7      does it force more cpu if i did that?
04:18 RedBlade7      i'd rather use the gpu if i can :)
04:18 NakedFury      looks great
04:18 RedBlade7      no meaning i'd rather not waste cpu power
04:19 rotcaer        why need more than 25 fps?
04:19 RedBlade7      i dont
04:19 RedBlade7      i just dont want one core of CPU at 75-100%
04:19 rotcaer        we can't see the diff above 30 fps, really
04:19 RedBlade7      when i have a gpu
04:19 VanessaE       GPUs don't do motion blur, so you need a much higher frame rate to compensate for it
04:19 rotcaer        GPU does the drawing
04:19 VanessaE       at least they usually don't.
04:20 VanessaE       a person with good eyes can see up to around 80 fps.
04:20 rotcaer        but CPU is loaded because there are millions of blocks to feed
04:20 RedBlade7      ok
04:20 RedBlade7      i know when i got the hqx pack i had to get the 256K because the 512K version took a very long time to load
04:20 VanessaE       HDX
04:20 rotcaer        VanessaE: idk, I can notice the screen flicker st 60 Hz, but that's screen, and ingame image is persistent between redraws
04:20 RedBlade7      hdx
04:20 rotcaer        at*
04:21 RedBlade7      VanessaE: you were the one listed who invented that right?
04:21 VanessaE       and I use 256px because minetest can't handle the 512px size anymore
04:21 VanessaE       Invented?  call it "assembled" :)
04:21 RedBlade7      lol
04:21 rotcaer        And why need photographical texture packs in a retro game?
04:21 VanessaE       because it's fun?
04:21 rotcaer        they just don't fit!
04:22 RedBlade7      i didnt know it was supposed to be retro
04:23 RedBlade7      let me double-check graphics settings
04:23 RedBlade7      see if i can disable stuff
04:25 RedBlade7      i never like to use anisotropic filtering in anything, i think things look better without it, so i always leave it off. that's disabled
04:25 rotcaer        sam here eh
04:25 rotcaer        same*
04:25 rotcaer        textures look blurry with it
04:25 RedBlade7      i dont know why "bi-linear" and "tri-linear" are both there but i checked them both
04:25 RedBlade7      rotcaer: not a matter of blurriness, just overly non-computer-like
04:26 RedBlade7      i checked this afternoon on the wiki about settings, couldnt find anything
04:26 RedBlade7      anyone have any suggestions to use less cpu?
04:26 RedBlade7      what to check/uncheck
04:26 rotcaer        RedBlade7: ?
04:26 RedBlade7      in the settings
04:29 rotcaer        RedBlade7: most options are commented in the config
04:29 rotcaer        minetest.conf.example
04:29 RealBadAngel   filtering is useful only for higher resolution textures
04:30 RealBadAngel   also should definitely be turned on while using bumpmapping or parallax mapping
04:31 RedBlade7      oh ok i was looking at the menu
04:31 RedBlade7      will look at the file
04:32 RealBadAngel   and about CPU usage, game mechanics takes most of the time
04:32 RealBadAngel   this has nothing to do with GPU
04:32 RedBlade7      ok
04:33 RedBlade7      i dont know how to describe it, so i will compare two open-source games and someone can explain
04:33 RedBlade7      with urbanterror, it uses lots of cpu and of course the gpu
04:33 RedBlade7      with openarena, it uses little cpu and of course the gpu
04:33 RedBlade7      without the gpu, the cpu would do it all
04:33 RealBadAngel   things like parallax mapping you could see in video i posted earlier use GPU extensively
04:33 RedBlade7      if i used the integrated video
04:33 RedBlade7      ok
04:34 RealBadAngel   so turning it off will speed you up
04:34 RedBlade7      idont have that in the settings
04:34 RedBlade7      there's "mipmapping"
04:34 RedBlade7      and i have it off
04:34 RealBadAngel   ofc you dont have it
04:34 RealBadAngel   thats a feature to come
04:34 RedBlade7      i have the git
04:34 RedBlade7      can anyone explain to me though what i'm talking about when i say "cpu vs gpu"
04:35 RedBlade7      with the example i gave above
04:35 rotcaer        Why would png files be chmod +x?
04:35 rotcaer        :(
04:35 RealBadAngel   GPU is responsible for fancy effects like shaders
04:35 RealBadAngel   not the game
04:35 RedBlade7      ok
04:35 RedBlade7      now i get it
04:36 RealBadAngel   with simple things you can try to lower view range
04:36 RedBlade7      and the shaders would be done by cpu if onboard video
04:36 RealBadAngel   shaders are GPU only thing
04:37 RealBadAngel   onboard video is not made for such stuff
04:37 RealBadAngel   ie gaming
04:40 RedBlade7      is vsync on by default?
04:42 RedBlade7      no but doesnt seem to matter
04:44 RedBlade7      maybe i should look at the config file instead of the menu and guessing
04:45 RealBadAngel   theres config example
04:45 RealBadAngel   with all the settings aviable
04:45 rotcaer        RedBlade7: reduce the draw distance
04:45 rotcaer        it affects cpu load
04:53 RedBlade7      where's that in the config
04:54 RealBadAngel   press + - ingame
04:54 RedBlade7      ok
05:17 nore           RealBadAngel, are you still there?
06:15 cy1            How do you get a pneumatic tube to supply fuel to a furnace? On the bottom I guess?
06:16 nore           yes
06:16 cy1            yeah the pipe goes on the bottom my bad
06:58 us}0gb         VanessaE, are you still awake?
07:12 reactor        Does reducing PNG compression speed up texture loading?
07:12 us}0gb         That's a good question. I have no idea.
08:00 thexyz         > Your favourite... > FYI the correct spelling is favorite
08:10 thexyz         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7416
08:14 reactor        thexyz: depends on the language
08:14 us}0gb         Or you won't survive? I didn't realize survival was an option.
08:14 reactor        English vs. American
08:14 us}0gb         English vs. United Statesian.
08:15 us}0gb         Americans come from North or South America. Two whole continents.
08:15 us}0gb         I wish survival was an option, but I fear I will oneday die.
08:16 us}0gb         *one day
08:16 thexyz         reactor: this is why I cited that
08:17 us}0gb         Ha ha, jojoa1997's favorite Minetest user is himself!
08:17 thexyz         american english only english
08:18 reactor        American to English is like Linux to Unix
08:19 us}0gb         So ... freer?
08:20 reactor        No.
08:20 reactor        Less quality, more popular.
08:20 reactor        s/Less/Lower/
08:20 reactor        And the former is a clone of the latter.
08:21 reactor        Like Elektronika-60 to PDP-11.
08:22 reactor        Oh wait, the Soviets did fix some bugs in the CPU.
08:22 reactor        s/ts/t/
08:28 reactor        Speaking of which, I wonder if it's theoretically possible to host MT on a 25 MHz machine with 4M RAM.
08:29 us}0gb         Alright, it's time for me to get to bed. G'night!
08:29 reactor        Night.
08:39 nore           how do you make a node that will change what it will drop depending on its meta?
08:58 PilzAdam       Hello everyone!
08:58 PilzAdam       nice user name: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=7841
09:00 nore           PilzAdam, how would you make a node whose drops depend on its meta?
09:01 PilzAdam       set drops to "" and then call handle_node_drops() in on_dig() manually
09:01 nore           yes, but it looks like items are not added to inventory... :(
09:02 PilzAdam       code?
09:02 nore           http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?48ddeed1407ea073#y03V28LJf0vNolWNF3uFzfB42HCFKxPF4Uvj3gSliZU=
09:02 nore           the first part of the code is correct, that is sure
09:03 nore           if I do print(drops), I get that: {[1] = "technic:template 4"}
09:03 PilzAdam       cant you use a pastebin that doesnt require JS?
09:04 nore           anyway, I do that: minetest.handle_node_drops(pos, drops, digger)
09:04 PilzAdam       what is the nodedef?
09:04 nore           with correct drops and pos and digger, but I don't have anything
09:04 nore           after_dig_node = template_drops,
09:07 nore           ah, I fixed it
09:07 nore           it was the problem of a strange bug with UI in creative
09:23 webdesigner97  hi!
09:38 Jordach        my brother ripped a cd, what format?
09:38 Jordach        > .m4a
09:45 * Jordach      will probably make a post about games that support custom user stuff
09:45 reactor        ?
09:45 Jordach        i've been minetesting in places where it is not possible
10:12 * Jordach      pokes sfan5
10:12 reactor        ?
10:12 Jordach        ?
10:12 * sfan5        pokes Jordach
10:12 sfan5          ?
10:12 Jordach        sfan5, you at home or not
10:12 sfan5          no
10:12 sfan5          try again at 17:00
10:12 * Jordach      needs your building service
10:13 sfan5          that works from everywhere :P
10:14 reactor        What does the "math" mapgen do?
10:14 Jordach        sfan5, https://gitorious.org/minetest-classic/minetest-classic/
10:14 sfan5          Jordach: oh..
10:14 sfan5          when I build minetest-classic it ends up broken
10:15 sfan5          I might try in 5 mins
10:15 Jordach        then how does sdzen do it
10:15 Jordach        i'll attempt myself
10:15 FreeFull       I do miss the glorious mapgen of earlier minetest
10:15 FreeFull       Which got abandoned due to being slow AFAIK
10:15 FreeFull       It was beautiful ):
10:19 Evergreen      Hello everyone!
10:19 Jordach        hello Evergreen
10:23 reactor        markveidemanis: o/
10:24 markveidemanis Hi!
10:26 markveidemanis Who has Facebook, Path, Twitter, LinkedIn or tumblr?
10:27 Jordach        gtfo
10:27 Jordach        now,
10:29 markveidemanis What does the fox say?
10:30 reactor        Uh.
10:30 reactor        As soon as I enter a nether portal, the game hangs.
10:44 reactor        Is it possible to whitelist players?
10:44 sfan5          no
10:44 reactor        mk
10:45 reactor        markveidemanis: social networking is for those who can't talk to people irl.
10:45 reactor        And Twitter is for attn hos.
10:46 Jordach        +8
10:48 markveidemanis Like ^^
10:48 Jordach        you want a !kick
10:49 reactor        I don't.
10:49 reactor        That's just a manner of speech, brother sir.
10:53 markveidemanis I want a server to play on
10:54 markveidemanis Anyone?
10:54 reactor        idk
10:54 reactor        I'm bringing up one today
10:54 reactor        but you've already seen it
10:54 markveidemanis I havent
10:54 markveidemanis Not on my new PC
10:54 reactor        Yes you have.
10:54 reactor        mk
10:54 markveidemanis Ive seen it on a screen less than a quarter of the size i have now
10:54 reactor        I'll query you when I'm ready.
10:54 markveidemanis ok
10:55 reactor        That is not my problem, sir!
10:57 reactor        If I pause the game while loading a WE scehme, will it be loading?
10:58 markveidemanis in theory yes
10:58 rotcaer        mk
10:59 Dan_D          Help? minetest.register_on_dieplayer(function(pos, player, node)
10:59 Dan_D          minetest.add_node(player:getpos(), {name="castle:grave"})
10:59 Dan_D          end)
10:59 Dan_D          11:58:11: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/grave.lua:29: attempt to index local 'player' (a nil value)
11:00 rotcaer        which worldgen is the default?
11:00 rotcaer        and which one is the latest?
11:01 Dan_D          Help?
11:02 Dan_D          Also, V6 is default mapgen
11:02 Jordach        sfan5, are libraries .a files
11:03 Dan_D          Help anyone?
11:03 Jordach        oh it isnt
11:07 Evergreen      rotcaer, the latest is mg7, but it only generates stone (unless any mods define biomes) mg6 is the default
11:07 rotcaer        mk
11:07 rotcaer        what is indev?
11:09 Jordach        !rev rotcaer
11:09 MinetestBot    reactor
11:09 Jordach        thanks MinetestBot
11:09 MinetestBot    :)
11:11 rotcaer        !rev Jordach
11:11 MinetestBot    hcadroJ
11:11 rotcaer        lmao.
11:21 rotcaer        !inv markveidemanis
11:21 rotcaer        oops
11:21 rotcaer        !rev markveidemanis
11:21 MinetestBot    sinamedievkram
11:21 rotcaer        Siname dievk RAM!
11:26 markveidemanis ???
11:27 markveidemanis !b16e Hello Tyhere
11:27 markveidemanis grrr
11:28 rotcaer        Learn. To. Type.
11:29 markveidemanis Its not the parameters that are wrong
11:29 markveidemanis !b64e Hello
11:32 Jordach        markveidemanis, MinetestBot has you on her ignore lists
11:32 MinetestBot    That's true, Jordach.
11:32 markveidemanis Twat.
11:43 sfan5          Jordach: yep
11:44 Jordach        http://paste.ubuntu.com/6230855/
11:44 Jordach        ^ explain
11:45 smoke_fumus    Jordach: can't open file.
11:45 Jordach        smoke_fumus, cmake cannot locate the library file for jthread
11:45 Jordach        2.8.12 as well
11:47 Jordach        it seems to be looking for .lib files that don't exist
11:48 Jordach        the jthread folder has no .lib, i checked thorughly
11:57 * Jordach      pokes sfan5
11:57 sfan5          Jordach: wrong library for jthread
11:58 Jordach        sfan5, it was bundled with minetest-classic
11:58 Jordach        idea
11:59 Jordach        sfan5, pulled the one from minetest/minetest
12:00 Gethiox2       minetest have a background music?
12:00 Gethiox2       okay, thanks john_minetest
12:01 Jordach        sfan5, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6230919/
12:01 Jordach        cmake's generate output
12:01 sfan5          jthread.h is a C/C++ header, not a library file
12:02 Jordach        hm, im using the library file from the 0.4.x minetest
12:02 Jordach        (well. jthread folder)
12:02 sfan5          how is the library file named?
12:02 Jordach        http://paste.ubuntu.com/6230855/
12:03 Jordach        there doesnt seem to be any .lib
12:03 sfan5          .h means it is a fucking header file not a library
12:03 Jordach        2>LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'jthread.h.lib'
12:04 sfan5          >jthread.h.lib
12:04 sfan5          >.h
12:04 sfan5          read what I said
12:04 Jordach        sfan5, cmakefiles is empty
12:04 Jordach        there's just .c, .h and .cpp files
12:04 Jordach        no lib
12:04 sfan5          exactly
12:04 Jordach        then wtf is it looking for
12:05 Jordach        plan b: removed the jthread library from cmake
12:05 sfan5          you told cmake the libfile is jthread.h, it does not end in .lib so it looks for <path>.lib
12:05 Jordach        hm
12:06 Jordach        and here's my cmake: http://i.imgur.com/SCThME8.png
12:07 Jordach        fun fact: i havent compiled minetest on windows for 2.1 years
12:09 Jordach        2>LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'jthread.lib'
12:09 Jordach        dafuq do you want jthread
12:13 Jordach        lol
12:17 Jordach        where is blockmen when you need him
12:17 rotcaer        pwned
12:21 Jordach        fuck it; i'll build jthread
12:23 Jordach        FINALLY: jthread-static.vcxproj -> C:\Users\Jordach\Desktop\jthread-1.3.1\src\RELEASE\jthread.lib
12:24 Jordach        that's the droid im fucking looking for
12:27 rotcaer        hmm
12:27 rotcaer        we lag a lot
12:29 Jordach        now let's hope it fucking builds
13:06 markveidemanis Who is in germany?
13:07 Jordach        that's a dumb question
13:09 markveidemanis I have a proxy server in germany and want someone to test it
13:09 markveidemanis Its an online php server for bypassing school/work blocking limits
13:10 NakedFury      PilzAdam, sfan, and a bunch of others
13:10 markveidemanis http://goo.gl/8s90P3 try the proxy
13:12 NakedFury      I can try it at my college. they use Sonicwall
13:14 markveidemanis Is it fast?
13:14 markveidemanis Do you know of a better software for this use?
13:14 PilzAdam       I dont understand why you need someone from germany to test a proxy in germany
13:15 NakedFury      no. I have no other proxy that works against sonicwall so I will test it there tomorrow
13:15 NakedFury      but usng it now it seems fast
13:17 markveidemanis In uk its slow as hell...
13:19 Jordach        meh
13:19 Jordach        i found a way to do it
13:20 Jordach        i use packet injection indicating that the user accound is in fact one of the school admins
13:20 Jordach        because we have access to MSVC
13:21 NakedFury      MSVC?
13:22 Jordach        Visual Studio
13:23 Jordach        basically, i used wireshark to follow the modfiied smoothwall packets to overlay a website, then used packet injection to indicate to the proxy server that i am an admin
13:24 NakedFury      well we dont have visual studio sadly
13:29 Jordach        http://i.imgur.com/roFMGVQ.png
13:34 rotcaer        /exec -o yes
13:40 nore           I have a question about minetest.get_meta...
13:40 chlue          hm ist control+c a correct way to 'shutdown' the server of should I do something different for a clean shutdown?
13:40 nore           what does it return if the area is not loaded?
13:50 rotcaer        Hmm.
13:50 rotcaer        Is this normal if servers lag?
13:50 rotcaer        What should I check if the delay is as high as 2 seconds?
13:50 rotcaer        (it happens over network, on localhost it's fine)
13:55 chlue          rotcaer: some servers are very slow. Enter /status and if the maxlag value is bigger than one then don't expect fluid gameplay as in singleplayer
13:55 rotcaer        mk
14:00 Jordach        can someone render the minetest logo at 32px
14:00 PilzAdam       why dont you do it yourself?
14:00 sfan5          ^
14:00 Jordach        PilzAdam fag count: 18
14:17 rotcaer        chlue: maxlag is about 0.2
14:21 zat            Someone eher~
14:30 Jordach        huh
14:30 Jordach        smooth lighting doesnt work on fancy trees
14:31 Jordach        hello Calinou
14:32 Calinou        hi :)
14:32 rotcaer        o/
14:32 rotcaer        Jordach: doesn't work on slabs, either
14:35 Jordach        i know you're here VanessaE
14:35 Calinou        * [VanessaE] inactif  00:03:21,
14:36 Jordach        see, the french stole english :P
14:37 rotcaer        everyone stole everything
14:37 rotcaer        Now kill yourself.
14:38 rotcaer        yep
14:48 VanessaE       hi
14:48 VanessaE       I was in scrollback.
14:49 rotcaer        o/
14:58 Mallot1        good morning
14:58 Mallot1        does anyone have any info about minetest 0.4.8? Ive been checking the minetest.net site everyday
14:59 VanessaE       it is not out yet and there is no release schedule yet
14:59 rotcaer        Mallot1: use the latest one from git eh
14:59 Mallot1        oh its out?
14:59 rotcaer        it's not
15:00 rotcaer        but it's cutting-edge
15:00 VanessaE       repeating:  it is not out yet and there is no release schedule yet
15:00 VanessaE       use a nightly git build instead if 0.4.7 is too old for your needs.
15:00 minetest       lol
15:00 minetest       cool
15:01 minetest       i just went to the inecraft channel
15:01 VanessaE       why?
15:01 minetest       the moment i changed my name to minetest i got banned
15:01 minetest       LOL
15:01 rotcaer        Ha.
15:01 VanessaE       well no shit
15:01 VanessaE       they're tired of the trolls
15:01 minetest       there just hatin
15:01 minetest       :)
15:02 VanessaE       they're*
15:02 rotcaer        hating*
15:02 VanessaE       and perhaps, but mostly they're just sick of the trolling.
15:02 Calinou        they are indeed hating
15:02 Calinou        it's common to hate on a cheaper or free product when you pay more for something similar
15:02 minetest       i know i spelled it wrong
15:02 Calinou        spell it mesetint :>
15:02 minetest       exactly Calinou
15:03 minetest       he sees the light
15:03 rotcaer        or the blight?
15:04 Mallot1        yea :D
15:04 VanessaE       It needs to be, in my opinion, the official policy of this channel and community to not troll or harass minecraft users and their various resources.  We need to cut that crap out.
15:04 Mallot1        who harsses minecraft
15:04 Mallot1        aay I if u do
15:05 Mallot1        *say
15:05 Mallot1        *you
15:05 VanessaE       you mean "aye".
15:05 VanessaE       and no.
15:05 rotcaer        Then you will expand that to OS harassment.
15:05 Mallot1        I didnt think so
15:05 rotcaer        And get me banned.
15:05 rotcaer        No, thanks.
15:06 Mallot1        lololololllolololollooloololollololllollololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololloolollol
15:06 Mallot1        minetest is nicer
15:06 rotcaer        in fact, windows users do deserve some harassment.
15:06 Mallot1        to people
15:06 Mallot1        hey
15:06 Mallot1        im on windows 8 sucka B)
15:06 rotcaer        Aha! Gotcha you [CENSORED]!
15:06 rotcaer        Kidding.
15:06 rotcaer        But hey.
15:06 Dan_D          Is this right? paramtype2 = "6facedir"
15:07 rotcaer        How can you use that crap?
15:07 Mallot1        you learn pretty fat actually
15:07 Mallot1        *fast
15:07 Mallot1        what are you on?
15:07 Calinou        paramtype2 = "facedir"
15:07 Calinou        works
15:07 Calinou        it's 6d already :P
15:07 Calinou        Mallot1: he is on netbsd...
15:08 Mallot1        I've heard of it
15:08 rotcaer        Calinou: not anymore
15:08 rotcaer        I use netbsd for virtual machines, though.
15:08 Dan_D          No it isn't
15:08 Mallot1        cool
15:08 Dan_D          It is only 4d
15:08 Dan_D          not 6d
15:09 Mallot1        I got a OSX Mountain Lion VM on my windows 8
15:09 Dan_D          Otherwise furnaces could be placed facing up
15:09 Calinou        use screwdriver
15:09 Calinou        Dan_D: not relevant
15:09 Dan_D          Does it rotate nodeboxes?
15:09 rotcaer        Calinou: I run freebsd now; I have to say, it's quite similar.
15:09 Calinou        you have to do that yourself
15:09 Calinou        it does
15:09 Calinou        rotcaer: phew...
15:09 rotcaer        Calinou: ?
15:09 Dan_D          Really? Oh
15:10 Calinou        at least you're using more proper drivers :>
15:10 Mallot1        dang this chat is flying
15:10 Calinou        I hope :>
15:10 rotcaer        Calinou: I am.
15:10 rotcaer        Calinou: but NVIDIA are still [CENSORED].
15:11 Mallot1        I was on the minecraft community last year
15:11 Dan_D          Is the screwdriver craftable?
15:11 Mallot1        and they were jerks
15:11 Mallot1        were wining in user friendlyness
15:12 * Mallot1      is flexing his muscles
15:12 rotcaer        Windows is user-hostile.
15:12 Mallot1        How
15:12 rotcaer        It can't be used remotely with efficiency.
15:12 Mallot1        did u try logmein
15:12 Mallot1        logmein.com
15:13 rotcaer        *ahem* It can not be used remotely without graphical login.
15:13 rotcaer        It can not be used efficiently without graphics, at all. But even its GUI is inefficient.
15:13 Mallot1        oh you dont like the new start screen and GUI stuff they are adding
15:13 rotcaer        It takes efforts and time to deploy on machines.
15:14 rotcaer        And it takes even more efforts to keep in shape.
15:14 rotcaer        And it has as much holes as a honeycomb!
15:14 rotcaer        I could continue, but I wont. It's crap. I rest my case.
15:14 Mallot1        Lol XD
15:15 Mallot1        I still like windows
15:15 Mallot1        its easy to download things
15:15 Mallot1        it has a nice desktop
15:15 Mallot1        and GUI
15:15 zat            Signs someone who apparently hasnt tried any other OS.
15:15 Mallot1        and is user friendly almost anyone can use it
15:15 rotcaer        Yes.
15:16 rotcaer        It's idiot-friendly.
15:16 rotcaer        And user-hostile.
15:16 Mallot1        zat: just buy it for me and ill try it out
15:16 Mallot1        :)
15:16 zat            Buy what Mallot1
15:16 Mallot1        i like free OS's
15:16 rotcaer        Not everyone is an idiot, not everyone needs shiny glossy big buttons to work!
15:16 PilzAdam       Mallot1, " easy to download things" have you ever tried a package manager in Linux?
15:16 rotcaer        Oh yeah. That.
15:16 Mallot1        Ive seen them i think they are really cool
15:16 rotcaer        What we see here is yet another Windows bigot.
15:17 Mallot1        I like linus and Mac and Windows
15:17 Mallot1        *linux
15:17 rotcaer        You like men?
15:17 rotcaer        I dind't know.
15:17 Mallot1        Ive been trying to get Linux for ages now
15:17 Mallot1        but i dont know how
15:17 rotcaer        I mean, Freudian slip.
15:17 Mallot1        and i finally got a MAc V<
15:17 zat            Doesnt matter, you are still at the point where you think Windows is more friendly. When friendliness is given by the desktop environment, where virtually all works basically the same.
15:17 Mallot1        *VM
15:18 rotcaer        See that? He doesn't even type well.
15:18 VanessaE       Mallot1: Make a backup of your computer.  Go to http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/  pick a mirror close to you, download, burn, boot.  Install if you see fit.
15:18 rotcaer        Mallot1: stop trying to use computers, it's not for you.
15:18 Mallot1        zat no, the start menu in windows is good for those people who want apps ecery single day, but the desktop is better
15:18 VanessaE       that's how you get Linux the right way
15:19 Mallot1        lol rotcaer :D:D:D:D:D
15:19 rotcaer        Did I smirk?
15:19 zat            Mallot1: the desktop is better... how?
15:19 Mallot1        i havent been trying to get linux full time
15:20 rotcaer        You should learn how to use keyboard, man.
15:20 zat            I kind of see a nonsensical comparison here... the start menu is nice but desktop is better
15:20 Mallot1        thanks Vanessa E
15:20 rotcaer        That's the first thing a comptuer user should learn.
15:20 zat            the driving wheel of a car is good but I prefer the speedometer
15:20 Mallot1        I got a riot
15:20 rotcaer        zat: no, thanks. I like wheelchairs better.
15:21 zat            You cannot call it a riot where you are in the middle alone disagreeing
15:21 Mallot1        im not disagreeing i said that they all are giid
15:21 rotcaer        Mallot1: when one is disagreeing is more like DEMONSTRATIVE BEHAVIOUR
15:21 zat            ...giid?
15:21 Calinou        rotcaer: windows GUI is inefficient, I approve, yes :p
15:21 Mallot1        but i *brought* / *have* window 8
15:21 rotcaer        Calinou: ...but any GUI is too slow to accomodate me :)
15:22 rotcaer        Mallot1: congratulations. You've made Microsoft richer and yourself more broke-ass.
15:23 Mallot1        nope, i made microsoft richer
15:23 rotcaer        ...and then they're asking why big corporations run countries, farming people for their food
15:23 zat            Does Microsoft actually enforce the need of buying windows on all users?
15:23 Mallot1        Id rather not nickel and dime than to get what i like
15:24 Mallot1        windows - $300 Mac - $1000
15:24 rotcaer        s/Id/I'd/
15:24 zat            I mean, would they sue people not buying it and downloading-cracking it instead?
15:24 rotcaer        Wawit.
15:24 rotcaer        s/wit/it/
15:24 Calinou        rotcaer: MS already got its money, they already sold tons of OEM licenses
15:24 rotcaer        Id?
15:24 pitriss        zat: in some kind yes. here you can't see linux in schools.. so yes..
15:24 Mallot1        well considering its illegal zat
15:24 Mallot1        just buy it
15:24 rotcaer        Calinou: but lemmings do contribute to it, too
15:24 zat            Well, but I say, for home users.
15:24 ruskie         I'm glad I never bought a prebuilt box... so MS never got money out of me for such things
15:24 zat            would they sue a single home user?
15:24 Calinou        sell-ins matter for companies such as MS. not sell-outs
15:25 Mallot1        proably not za
15:25 Mallot1        zat
15:25 zat            For example, here in Chile they dont
15:25 ruskie         only thing they get money for was dos 6.22 and win 3.11
15:25 zat            Sometimes I wonder that if they actually did, they would totally lose their “market” share.
15:25 rotcaer        "Id". Are we talking psych now?
15:26 zat            People use their OS because computers come with it, and they learn that it is like a reference OS, what is familiar...
15:26 Mallot1        hey guys if you havent noticed while you were disliking windows they are the top market for PC's
15:26 rotcaer        Someone needs more control over their "Id", Mallot1.
15:26 Mallot1        what
15:26 zat            so, from that point of view, all that does not work like windows or with windows is “wrong”.
15:26 rotcaer        They say, "most successful" does not necessarily mean "best".
15:26 Mallot1        no \
15:26 Mallot1        thats only for idiots
15:27 Mallot1        that dont want to try new things
15:27 rotcaer        They got so many users because their OS is idiot-friendly.
15:27 Mallot1        or the people who actually Like windows and want to USE it
15:27 rotcaer        And most people are idiots.
15:27 rotcaer        Idiots that can not be cured.
15:27 zat            rotcaer: I would say because they invest in misinforming users
15:27 rotcaer        zat: the misinformed get fixed sooner or later
15:28 Mallot1        or people,who like to actually do what they need to to make something work for them
15:28 zat            go ask random average users
15:28 rotcaer        zat: but idiots don't
15:28 Mallot1        instead of sitting and complaining like idiots
15:28 zat            most people think windows is synonym of graphical operating system or something
15:28 Mallot1        Windows is great
15:28 rotcaer        (it's hard to fix the misinformed, though)
15:28 Mallot1        Mac is great
15:28 rotcaer        Mallot1: that is like saying "I am great and bla bla bla"
15:28 Mallot1        Linux from what i heard is great
15:28 Mallot1        so this is over
15:28 zat            uhm
15:29 rotcaer        What we see here is... someone's broken the situation.
15:29 Mallot1        yup
15:29 rotcaer        :(
15:29 zat            My opinion: GNU/Linux (not linux alone) is great, Windows is an OS attempt, Mac is expensive
15:29 Mallot1        lol
15:29 Mallot1        yup
15:29 Mallot1        were entitled to our opinions
15:30 rotcaer        zat: that makes a good quote
15:30 zat            Microsoft should drop Windows and concentrate on making gaming consoles
15:30 rotcaer        And that.
15:30 Calinou        mac isn't an OS
15:30 pitriss        zat: agree..
15:30 zat            They already failed technologically on the desktop and office.
15:30 Calinou        it's apple's computer brand. OS X is an OS
15:30 Mallot1        but there are so many kids sitting on their butts already
15:30 rotcaer        But I'm afraid PC will disappear, and we will have nothing to run UNIX at home on.
15:30 Calinou        zat: they make tons of money on both
15:30 Calinou        because of monopoly
15:31 Calinou        rotcaer: PCs will not disappear in the close future :P
15:31 rotcaer        if Microsoft goes away from that market, it will
15:31 Mallot1        then the other companies who are trying to make PC's will then have a chance
15:31 rotcaer        because lemmings will stop buying the hardware that doesn't support Microsoft OS
15:32 rotcaer        consuming lemmings are the market's driving force nowadays
15:32 Mallot1        "lemmings"?
15:32 rotcaer        hamsters
15:32 Mallot1        oh lol
15:32 rotcaer        95% of humans
15:32 rotcaer        the herd
15:32 rotcaer        sheep
15:32 rotcaer        etc.
15:33 zat            Well, the only reason why GNU/Linux or other UNIX like OSs have not succeeded is because Microsoft is investing hard in trying to make other OSes look like they do things wrong, that is, hardening interoperability all they can.
15:33 Mallot1        and people who just want to write a paper
15:33 rotcaer        People who write papers use TeX.
15:33 Calinou        my dad writes papers using LibreOffice, Mallot1
15:33 Calinou        you don't need MS office for that
15:33 Mallot1        or its simply people Microsft advertised alot
15:33 Mallot1        i write papers using OpenOffice
15:33 Calinou        it's due to people hating on change and hating on openness
15:33 Mallot1        definitely that to
15:33 zat            Calinou: people is resistant to change.
15:34 Calinou        zat: fun fact: in france, there is a law about interoperability
15:34 Calinou        but it's not really applied :(
15:34 zat            How is it like Calinou?
15:34 Calinou        eg. you're allowed to reverse engineer for interop purposes
15:34 * YOURMAMA
15:35 zat            I think I read somewhere that in all europe you can
15:35 Calinou        maybe
15:35 Mallot1        well, ee ya guys i have to finish learning OpenGL
15:35 Mallot1        *see
15:35 zat            when I was researching for some library providing Skype protocol access.
15:36 zat            Calinou, Mallot1, rotcaer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzdykNa2IBU
15:37 rotcaer        see you, Mallot1
15:37 rotcaer        zat: sorry, no youtube here
15:37 rotcaer        Interoperability problems.
15:37 zat            If an open-source freeware solution breaks, who’s gonna fix it?
15:37 zat            that quote gave me cancer
15:37 Calinou        rotcaer: youtube-dl
15:37 zat            rotcaer: that video might play with the html5 plaer.
15:37 Calinou        not breaking TOS anymore :p
15:37 zat            player*
15:38 zat            Anyway rotcaer: http://www.wimp.com/attacksopenoffice/
15:38 rotcaer        Calinou: with that logic we'll have separate downloader for every site
15:38 zat            Youtube is not the world
15:38 VanessaE       oops.
15:39 zat            rotcaer: different downloader for every site? what for? a site without flash is fine
15:39 rotcaer        youtube-dl is separate
15:39 rotcaer        and get_flash_videos is broken again
15:40 rotcaer        because the twats have changed something on their crappy site
15:40 rotcaer        zat: ?
15:41 rotcaer        zat: what is that link about?
15:41 zat            rotcaer: wasnt the issue about flash?
15:41 zat            :)
15:41 zat            rotcaer, check it with your computer? :P
15:41 Mallot1        that video was funny  zat
15:41 rotcaer        it was
15:41 Mallot1        :D
15:42 zat            I just recalled that video when mentioned that interoperability thing
15:42 zat            MS tries to convince users that they are the reference of all correctly done job
15:43 zat            if something does not interoperate with MS Office, it is that something’s fault
15:43 rotcaer        yep
15:43 zat            not MS’s, because they are the “standard”.
15:43 rotcaer        yep
15:43 zat            And of course, games...
15:43 zat            Some say that all game are made with directx
15:44 zat            and windows is compatible with games
15:44 zat            how is that? now OSes are the ones compatibles with software. LOL
15:44 rotcaer        ^ recognise yourself, Mallot1?
15:44 zat            kik
15:45 PilzAdam       Minetest runs better on Linux
15:45 zat            like other OSes did not support OpenGL
15:45 zat            I remember one argument with a kid in jail
15:45 Mallot1        zat, rotcaer, Calinou : http://bit.ly/GMAetv
15:45 zat            he said... all games are made with directx, not opengl, opengl is “freeware”.
15:45 VanessaE       he's an idiot.
15:45 PilzAdam       !title
15:46 MinetestBot    PilzAdam: Let me google that for you
15:46 rotcaer        Mallot1: ?
15:46 VanessaE       there are a lot of games that are opengl-only
15:46 zat            I asked... give me a single reason why DirectX is better than OpenGL, and I give you one back.
15:46 Mallot1        openGL is AwesomE!!!
15:46 zat            He said, you first
15:46 zat            I said... DirectX is proprietary and it will work only where Microsoft wants to give support.
15:46 zat            He did not reply to that...
15:46 zat            Then he said... well, for some reason companies make games with DirectX.
15:47 Calinou        PilzAdam: Minetest was made for linux, yeah, like most FOSS
15:47 Calinou        <zat> Youtube is not the world
15:47 Calinou        I watch 1 youtube video per month average :p
15:47 zat            Yes... I said, then how do you explain those games are also available for PS3 and Wii also?
15:47 Calinou        last bunch of videos I watched were http://code.google.com/p/vdrift-ogre/wiki/TrackEditor
15:47 zat            You think that all consoles are MSs?
15:47 Calinou        aka. something useful :P
15:48 VanessaE       don't consoles usually run some form of opengl?
15:48 zat            I imagine Windows and XBox OS might be the only ones supporting DirectX.
15:49 zat            OpenGL on the other hand.... is an standard, implemented everywhere else.
15:49 Mallot1        LOOK OPENGL IS BOSS HOSS B)
15:49 Mallot1        yea what Mallot1 said /me flexes muscles
15:49 * Mallot1      flexes muscles
15:50 rotcaer        an hero
15:50 zat            A guy asked me once... Windows is more compatible with software (lol).
15:50 zat            I said... in my OS I can run Windows software too, can you run linux software?
15:50 zat            He angued me nonstop for the rest of the day that he was running linux software, by downloading an exe of firefox, which is linux software he said.
15:50 * rotcaer      sprays some neurotoxin on Mallot1, making his muscles flex indepedently
15:51 rotcaer        s/deped/depend/
15:51 Mallot1        :D!
15:51 rotcaer        zat: :D
15:51 Mallot1        yea
15:51 Mallot1        zat who is this guy
15:51 zat            which
15:51 rotcaer        zat: typical Windows user's  butthurt
15:51 rotcaer        Mallot1: you.
15:52 rotcaer        Probably.
15:52 Mallot1        nope B)
15:52 rotcaer        No point in denying eh.
15:52 Mallot1        proably supposed to be though
15:52 rotcaer        The more you deny the more we'll be sure it was you.
15:52 zat            eh well
15:52 Jordach        the problem is that IT courses in schools are crap
15:52 Jordach        they teach nothing computing related
15:52 Jordach        its xyz in ms office
15:53 Jordach        job done
15:53 zat            rotcaer: I have learned so much of the arguments of Wintendo LUsers though the years...
15:53 Jordach        and that's when user lock starts
15:53 Mallot1        i didnt talk about firefox never said windows was more compatia
15:53 zat            I haven’t read/heard a new one in the last four years.
15:53 Mallot1        lol wintendo
15:53 zat            (only useful for playing games, thats it)
15:53 rotcaer        zat: personally, I can't provide good arguments when people ask me to explain why I use BSD.
15:54 Mallot1        me neither rotcaer when they ask about windows
15:54 zat            rotcaer: it does the job for you much more easily that anything else, what better argument?
15:54 rotcaer        zat: that is the best one
15:55 zat            Everytime I have to use a Windows box I feel like trying to drive a talk, using pedals.
15:55 zat            tank!!!!!!********
15:55 rotcaer        zat: but wait... windows users do use that argument often
15:55 zat            driving a tank*
15:55 rotcaer        but eh
15:55 Mallot1        tanks rock!
15:55 rotcaer        windows works, but does not work well
15:55 Jordach        if it works why complain
15:55 zat            The difference rotcaer, is that those users do not know other OSes.
15:55 Jordach        why fix something that is broken
15:55 rotcaer        Mallot1: ...not when driven by your legs
15:55 rotcaer        zat: true
15:55 zat            Your argument comes from someone who knows many, generally.
15:55 Mallot1        ive never driven
15:55 Mallot1        lol
15:56 rotcaer        zat: when one says they know a lot, it's viewed as vanity
15:56 Mallot1        yes
15:56 Mallot1        im out see ya
15:56 rotcaer        mkay, see you
15:56 zat            Having deployed dozens of networks, worked with servers serving all kind of contents, setting up entire offices with workstations, all with different OSes... I have learned one thing: Windows is only really useful to play games.
15:57 rotcaer        It is.
15:57 zat            Not because it is better for games, only because games makers make them available there.
15:57 rotcaer        My last and the most painful experience with it was setting it up on about 20 decrepit computers back at school.
15:58 rotcaer        It was then when I realised something is not quite right with that OS.
15:58 zat            I once tried to copy the whole hard-disk to replicate the OS in other computers.
15:58 rotcaer        That won't work.
15:58 zat            For some reason if the hardware was not the same which the system was installed on, it would fail.
15:59 rotcaer        Windows generates something procedurally during install.
15:59 zat            It is like the installed OS was fingerprinted with the hardware all inside.
15:59 rotcaer        something to do with hardware.
15:59 zat            ...if you know what I mean
15:59 zat            On the other hand... I have set up 50 OSes with fedora or ubuntu just using rsync.
15:59 zat            quickly, painlessly.
16:00 rotcaer        drivers
16:00 rotcaer        something about hardware abstraction
16:00 rotcaer        it fails, because it generates it during install
16:00 rotcaer        and yes
16:00 zat            well, a really wrongly done abstraction if it won’t provide PORTABILITY.
16:00 Mallot1        at my school, there is a whole lab full of unofficial windows 7 PCS
16:00 rotcaer        yes, zat
16:01 rotcaer        Mallot1: you still there?
16:01 Mallot1        i just keep getting pulled back
16:01 Mallot1        i cant help it
16:01 rotcaer        Recalling school, I have to say it was useless experience altogether.
16:01 NakedFury      I have to use windows because all the programs I use for school only come for it.
16:02 rotcaer        It removes ability to think independently, and it stuffs pupils' heads full of ages old shit that is not applicable later in academic life.
16:03 zat            rotcaer: well, math is useful.
16:03 zat            language and science too
16:03 rotcaer        zat: why, you study them again at uni, from scratch
16:04 rotcaer        zat: and school only messes it all up, because school teachers don't really understand anything
16:04 zat            that teachers are not the best is another issue...
16:04 zat            but learning stuff from kid is good
16:04 rotcaer        it is, when you read proper books
16:05 zat            re-learning at university can also be good... you harden your bases
16:05 rotcaer        Sadly, I can't say that about my school life: their textbooks were awful.
16:05 zat            I mean, strengthen your base knowledge.
16:05 rotcaer        And re-learning is not learning from clean slate.
16:05 rotcaer        re-learning doesn't completely fix what is broken earlier
16:06 rotcaer        it takes a lot of work to fix the brain filled with crap
16:06 rotcaer        s/the/a/
16:06 zat            that sounds more like an opinion than a fact
16:06 zat            like, there is no use, your knowledge is broken already.
16:06 rotcaer        well, any psychologist can tell you that
16:07 rotcaer        while one can forget something, there still will be residue
16:07 zat            you sound like... learn something the wrong way once and you are condemned.
16:07 rotcaer        and it's easier to learn the right thing than have to unlearn the previously learned incorrect habit
16:07 rotcaer        not condemned
16:08 rotcaer        I just say it's harder to do that way
16:08 zat            depends on the person
16:08 rotcaer        so why bother stuffing people's brains with crap just to have to take it out with a shovel later?
16:08 zat            I normally prefer learning things in any order, practicing, then I arrange then by learning the theory.
16:09 zat            them*
16:09 rotcaer        Idk, I usually do the opposite. Read the manuals, then practice.
16:09 zat            thats it, we all learn differently
16:09 zat            that is the issue with schools, they try to teach all the same way
16:10 zat            and if you do not, they consider you a kid with a learning problem
16:10 rotcaer        But it's generally harder to correct already learned wrong habits than to learn the right ones.
16:10 rotcaer        Exactly.
16:10 zat            rotcaer: again it depends, for me it is easier
16:10 zat            once I have all the points in my head, I can see them all and link them together
16:11 zat            ...sounds like what Jobs once said.
16:11 rotcaer        ?
16:12 zat            the thing of linking the points or something like that.
16:12 zat            nevermind
16:12 zat            u devel rotcaer?
16:12 rotcaer        Not exactly.
16:12 zat            HEY!! WHO DEVEL HERE!!!!
16:12 rotcaer        I'm currently learning UNIX programming.
16:13 zat            I need to know on top of what commit should I introduce a change to the source code of Minetest.
16:13 rotcaer        Let me guess, the latest one?
16:13 zat            yes I did that yesterday, then deaceleron55 complained.
16:15 zat            “celeron55: zat: you managed to get something terribly wrong in this”
16:15 zat            “celeron55: most of your changes are in a "Translated using Weblate (Spanish)" commit”
16:15 zat            ...which was the last one.
16:17 rotcaer        is celeron55 a dev?
16:17 zat            yes
16:18 PilzAdam       zat, dont ammend to commits, just create a new one
16:18 PilzAdam       -m
16:19 zat            got it
16:19 zat            I accidentally amended a commit
16:19 zat            Then I created a newer commit containing the same.
16:20 zat            however... would someone like to try the changes?
16:20 zat            I still wait for someone to test it.
16:21 rotcaer        zat: what are you working on?
16:21 zat            SQLite based rollback,
16:21 zat            (it has worked wonderfully for me so far)
16:22 rotcaer        by the way, can rollback slow down servers?
16:23 rotcaer        zat: oh. By the way. Is sqlite compatible with postgresql
16:23 rotcaer        ?
16:23 rotcaer        I would like to centralise databases on my system.
16:23 zat            sqlite compatible, how so.
16:23 zat            both use SQL
16:24 rotcaer        mk
16:24 zat            and yes rollback can slow-down servers, rollback would *always* hang mine.
16:24 rotcaer        Well, I still need to recall what I learned about SQL.
16:24 rotcaer        We only touched that topic slightly.
16:25 zat            lol
16:26 rotcaer        So, it's possible to keep maps on a centralised db server?
16:26 zat            it is possible to write a backend for map operations.
16:27 zat            So if you write a PostgreSQL one, it can.
16:27 rotcaer        good
16:27 rotcaer        I guess I could do that when I get to learning SQL.
16:28 rotcaer        seems like a good vacation project
16:30 zat            oh yes
16:33 Evergreen      Hello everybody!
16:35 Jordach        hey Evergreen
16:45 Evergreen      Hi us_0gb
16:46 us_0gb         Hello Evergreen!
17:01 pitriss        please how many items, nodes etc can be registered? is there any limit?
17:03 rotcaer        Is there a way to increase firearms' distance?
17:04 us_0gb         pitriss, to the best of my knowledge, the only limit is on nodes, not other items.
17:04 us_0gb         4093 nodes.
17:04 us_0gb         Plus the three C++ nodes.
17:06 pitriss        us_0gb: ok, thanks.. so, apples etc aren't counted as nodes if i understand this correctly..
17:07 us_0gb         Apples are nodes, so they count.
17:07 us_0gb         But sticks are not nodes, so they do not count.
17:08 nore           three C++ nodes... which one is the third?
17:08 us_0gb         Which is the first two? THe three are air, ignore, and unknown.
17:09 nore           is unknown a node? I though it were the nodes above the max node limit (so with content_id above 4096)
17:09 pitriss        us_0gb: ahh.. to be sure.. things that can be placed somewhere are nodes, items are things that can't be placed.. (sorry i'm just learning how to create mods)
17:10 us_0gb         nore, according to the source code, unknown is a node. However, last I tried, I couldn't place them.
17:11 us_0gb         pitriss, no worries. Yes, as a general rule, placeable things are nodes, non-placeable things are not nodes.
17:14 pitriss        us_0gb: thanks a lot.
17:14 us_0gb         Yeah, any time!
17:18 us_0gb         nore, it seems unknowns cannot be placed by hand, but can be placed by the map generator (minetest.register_alias("mapgen_stone","unknown")). However, unknowns cannot be dug.
17:18 us_0gb         The client digs them, but the server does not accept the digging, and resets it.
17:26 ModMasta       I have a dedicated server running cent os6 64 bit is there a nogui build already made that i can run on it
17:30 Jordach        ModMasta, minetest servers do not have a gui
17:30 Jordach        and no, you usually have to compile it for yourself
17:31 ModMasta       well dont wanna compile lol my pc windows and to busy working on my stuff just thought mabe i could put one up
17:32 Jordach        you must compile on cent os
17:32 Jordach        we do not work like minecraft_server.jar
17:32 rotcaer        yeah
17:32 ModMasta       i realize that lol
17:32 rotcaer        "only compiled languages, only hardcore"
17:32 Jordach        builds for other operating systems will not work on cent os
17:33 Jordach        it has to be built on cent os to run on cent os
17:33 ModMasta       my dedicated just got to much going on not even gonna try to compile on it
17:33 Jordach        then you can't start a server instance, sorry.
17:34 ModMasta       woulda been nice unlimited ban witdth
17:34 us_0gb         If it has too much going on to compile, it probably has too much going on to run a server.
17:35 ModMasta       lmao i got player im not goint to take a chance of interupting their game with a error
17:35 Jordach        errors only happen if a mod (default or added) decides to crash
17:35 Jordach        or an in engine bug
17:35 Jordach        and the server can be restarted in less than 5 seconds
17:36 ModMasta       well like i say to many players on not going to mess with their day
17:37 ModMasta       mabe this week i can grab a another hard drive and run os6 on my pc and then complie
17:38 rotcaer        os6?
17:38 ModMasta       CENT OS6
17:38 ModMasta       linux
17:39 rotcaer        Cent OS is not the only OS in the world.
17:39 ModMasta       simalar to red hat
17:39 ModMasta       well it the os on my dedicated
17:39 rotcaer        What do you mean dedicated?
17:39 rotcaer        You run a machine 24/7?
17:39 ModMasta       dedicated server
17:40 ModMasta       yes
17:40 rotcaer        Why not try something better for that kind of computer?
17:40 ModMasta       like ?
17:40 rotcaer        I would suggest BSD for 24/7 applications.
17:40 ModMasta       this is a real server
17:40 Jordach        don't you start a kernel war rotcaer
17:40 rotcaer        Less energy footprint, more stable.
17:40 ModMasta       ti got what i got if it works dont break it
17:41 rotcaer        Jordach: note it's not exactly my intention to start kernel wars.
17:41 rotcaer        Most linux distros come with programs that have high overhead.
17:41 us_0gb         That's why you get the server edition.
17:41 ModMasta       no matter its what i have
17:42 ModMasta       this is a server edition lmao
17:42 us_0gb         Exactly. No need to switch to BSD.
17:42 ModMasta       runing parraells on top of that
17:42 rotcaer        Well, it's not me who's paying your energy bill.
17:43 ModMasta       i have no ddoas worries very good security ect no need to change
17:43 rotcaer        Also, good luck maintaining it (the OS) on the long run.
17:43 Jordach        nobody ddos' other minetest servers
17:43 Yepoleb        i like debian for everything
17:43 ModMasta       been running 2 years not one problem
17:44 rotcaer        Biebian
17:45 us_0gb         rotcaer, BSD and GNU/Linux are both known for being easy to maintain in the long run.
17:45 ModMasta       cent os6 is way more efficient then windos server lol
17:45 us_0gb         You may have a point on energy, but not that.
17:45 rotcaer        us_0gb: I've tried GNU before.
17:45 rotcaer        Messy.
17:45 rotcaer        ModMasta: true that.
17:45 rotcaer        Also.
17:45 us_0gb         ModMasta, everything is more efficient than Windows.
17:46 rotcaer        Compiling stuff under BSD is easier.
17:46 us_0gb         I have heard that.
17:46 rotcaer        At least in my experience.
17:46 rotcaer        You would not have to worry if you had to compile MT there.
17:46 us_0gb         Compiling on GNU isn't hard, but I have heard it's easier on BSD.
17:46 Yepoleb        Windows server is awesome, because you don't have to remember passwords
17:46 rotcaer        Personally, I couldn't get anything to build there.
17:47 rotcaer        Yepoleb: and if you like BDSM.
17:47 us_0gb         Yepoleb, not having to use a password is a HUGE security issue.
17:47 ModMasta       i had room just thoaught id try running one but im in the middle of writing my open server client game (unrelated) and all the users on my server now so...
17:47 rotcaer        Yepoleb: enjoy your anal fisting.
17:48 Yepoleb        i don't have my own windows server
17:48 rotcaer        Oh.
17:49 rotcaer        Good.
17:49 Yepoleb        but everyone i use is very slow and buggy
17:49 rotcaer        Not having to remember passwords... I get it. Why bother if it would be broken in anyway.
17:49 rotcaer        Yepoleb: you use people?
17:49 rotcaer        And they're slow and buggy?
17:50 Yepoleb        i use windows servers
17:50 rotcaer        < Yepoleb> but everyone i use
17:50 us_0gb         Ha ha!
17:50 rotcaer        But that looks Freudian.
17:51 rotcaer        Windows _is_ buggy.
17:51 Yepoleb        don't complain about my english please
17:51 rotcaer        I don't remember a single time I used a Windows machine without it failing on me.
17:51 Yepoleb        i know it's bad
17:52 us_0gb         rotcaer, I had a Windows machine for a couple weeks one time because I was desperate. It crashed two to three times a day. I lost a lot of school work.
17:53 us_0gb         It turns out the unknowns are registered in C++ as nodes but in Lua as craft items. By switching it in Lua to a node, it becomes both placable and digable.
17:53 rotcaer        Desperate, as in?
17:53 Yepoleb        it's 99% reliable if you want nothing to work
17:53 rotcaer        Had no own machine? Had no OS on your own machine?
17:53 us_0gb         As in my computer wasn't powerful enough to do my schoolwork, so I had to borrow one.
17:54 rotcaer        Oh.
17:54 rotcaer        What was your schoolworl?
17:54 rotcaer        s/rl/rk/
17:54 us_0gb         THat particular homework was Flash seminars. My ancient computer couldn't take something as simple as that.
17:55 us_0gb         It was way outdated.
17:55 rotcaer        What OS?
17:55 us_0gb         It was an OS X machine. Don't judge me, it was the only computer I could get for $20 USD.
17:56 rotcaer        I rest my case.
17:56 us_0gb         The machine sucked, I know it.
17:56 rotcaer        Well, I heard one can install a proper OS on these.
17:56 us_0gb         I tried that a few times. I never got it to work.
17:57 us_0gb         My other OS X machine took GNU/Linux with little difficulty, but that machine isn't in a situation to be used as a client.
18:00 rotcaer        mk
18:00 rotcaer        ModMasta got butthurt.
18:41 Evergreen      Out of curiosity, how would I make a python have a launcher with an image icon attached to it?  Also, how would I make a .deb package for a python package for it?
18:41 Evergreen      *How would I make a .deb package for a python program
18:42 us_0gb         I don't know how to package software, but I can help with the icon. Open a text editor.
18:42 us_0gb         Drag an icon from another application to the text editor.
18:42 us_0gb         Make the changes you need, then save as.
18:43 Evergreen      Thanks!
18:44 us_0gb         Any time.
18:51 pitriss        Evergreen: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ about packaging deb
18:52 pitriss        it is bit complex but not so hard..:)
18:55 Evergreen      Thanks
18:55 Evergreen      Gotta go, by
18:57 rotcaer        I wonder when people will start learning to type.
18:57 rotcaer        It's sickening to realise most type with two fingers.
18:58 rotcaer        F. Now... where's the U? Oh my god! I've missed it! Where's the backspace? Now, where's the U again? [10 minutes later] Oh, finally, I've found the C.
19:10 zat            I wish also all were as smart as me ;)
19:11 us_0gb         I could use some more brain power.
19:11 JackGruff      hi guys, is minetest able to render the inside of a block using transparent textures?
19:12 JackGruff      or should i say the inside surfaces of a block
19:12 us_0gb         No, it cannot.
19:12 rotcaer        Why should it?
19:12 JackGruff      if you walk around a leave block, you can notice this limitation
19:13 Calinou        I don't really understand
19:13 us_0gb         Also glass blocks have this issue.
19:13 Calinou        it's normal that the opposing face is culled
19:13 Calinou        else it would look weird
19:13 Calinou        Minecraft does that too by the way
19:14 JackGruff      why would it look weird?
19:14 rotcaer        Not only it would look weird, it would also be inefficient.
19:14 rotcaer        Performance-wise.
19:14 JackGruff      i admit it may look a bit busier
19:14 rotcaer        No one likes slide shows.
19:14 JackGruff      i dont see that as a valid argument, it could be made optional
19:15 JackGruff      like, you know, mostly everything is.
19:15 rotcaer        Everything is inefficient?
19:16 us_0gb         It would be more efficient to not render anything. It would speed the game quite a bit.
19:17 Jordach        hahahahahahahahahahahaha
19:17 Jordach        +1
19:17 JackGruff      no, mostly every feature of the game, graphics wise, is optionaly
19:17 JackGruff      optional*
19:18 JackGruff      just like you can turn off fancy trees
19:18 JackGruff      anyway, i'll propose it on the forums
19:18 rotcaer        you would have to draw twice the polygon count of what you have
19:18 rotcaer        roughly
19:19 rotcaer        one could consider only drawing it on transparent blocks
19:20 PilzAdam       JackGruff, "every feature of the game, graphics wise"?
19:20 PilzAdam       are you sure about that?
19:20 us_0gb         I don't think the engine knows what nodes are transparent.
19:20 us_0gb         I'm sure at least one graphics feature that bothers me cannot be turned off.
19:21 JackGruff      A block/node could have metadata telling the engine it wants to be rendered inside as well.
19:21 rotcaer        yep
19:21 rotcaer        that
19:22 JackGruff      You tick off an option, say "even fancier trees!", and the engine renders inside blocks that want it
19:27 VanessaE       dafuq?
19:28 us_0gb         Hmm?
19:30 Jordach        lol
19:30 Jordach        please no nickspam
19:31 us_0gb         It seems unknown_node.png cannot be overridden by a plugin ...
19:32 us_0gb         VanessaE, It turns out I did hit a boundary case with my ores. The scarcity may not exceed 16^3*chunksize^3.
19:32 VanessaE       any solution?
19:33 us_0gb         Not one that allows high scarcity, that I can find.
19:33 Mallot1`       windows s 8
19:33 VanessaE       sounds like you'll have to do it the old-fashioned way
19:33 VanessaE       by hooking into on_genrated.
19:33 VanessaE       on_generated*
19:35 us_0gb         For now I'm using Settings to read map_meta.txt and setting the scarcity to the maximum scarcity. I'm not sure how to make it appear random with on_generated.
19:35 us_0gb         I'll put the ores further out, so they won't be found so easily.
19:35 VanessaE       easy, just call math.random() with some ridiculously high range (say 1,1000000).  If the value = 1, spawn one of your special ore.
19:35 us_0gb         But once you get up there, they'll be everywhere.
19:36 VanessaE       the range becomes a 1-in-that-much chance of the ore being spawned somewhere in the current chunk
19:36 us_0gb         And do that for every node iteratively? Will that not cause high overhead?
19:37 VanessaE       well all you have to do is call it once per chunk.  If you get a match, then get three more random numbers to set the location.
19:38 us_0gb         Okay, that's a great idea. Thank you!
19:39 VanessaE       so something like,  minetest.register_ongenerated(blah, foo, bar);  if math.random(1,1000000) then x=math.random(0,79) y=math.random(0,79)  z=math.random(0,79)  minetest.add_node({x = minp.x+x, y = minp.y+y, z = minp.z+z}, {name = "myores:cool_ore"}) end
19:39 VanessaE       make sense?
19:40 VanessaE       that doesn't check for air at the proposed location, but I'm sure you know what to do after that
19:40 VanessaE       imho, if you check for air before placing you special node, and air isn't present, you should try to get a new set of random coords.  Try up to 5 times, then just give up for that chunk.
19:41 us_0gb         Alright, awesome. Thanks!  psudorandom might
19:41 VanessaE       no prob.
19:41 us_0gb         *Pseudorandom might be better to give map stability.
19:41 Jordach        sudorandom is what you should be using
19:42 us_0gb         Sudo? Like bash?
19:42 Jordach        im joking
19:47 us_0gb         So Jordach, you know Blender. Does it create .x files for Minetest? Or do I need to find a different application for that?
20:06 Jordach        us_0gb, yes
20:06 Jordach        adding the addon allows that yes
20:12 us_0gb         Okay, cool. I'm going to need to make some models, and I don't even know where to begin if I have to do it in a text editor.
20:52 PilzAdam       bye
21:12 JackGruff      is there no mod that makes all non-connected blocks fall?
21:14 pitriss        please how i can detect if file exists from mod? (config for mod)
21:33 JackGruff      does mesecons randomly bug out with leaving signals/power on or is it just me?
21:34 JackGruff      sometimes my lightblocks stay on
21:34 VanessaE       happens to a lot of people, but it isn't mesecons
21:34 JackGruff      ooh ok
21:34 VanessaE       it's something to do with how mapblock updates are sent to cliens.
21:34 VanessaE       clients(
21:34 VanessaE       ...
21:35 Sokomine       pitriss: do you want to check weather a specific file or a specific mod exists?
21:38 pitriss        specific file..
21:38 pitriss        Sokomine: I'm trying to do something that will setup defaults when config file is not found
21:40 Sokomine       ah. so you want to check for a file. you could try to open it for reading - and if that fails, it's not there
21:41 Sokomine       local file = io.open( filename, "w" ); if( file ) then ...
21:42 pitriss        Sokomine: ok thanks for advice
21:44 VanessaE       but wait
21:44 VanessaE       local modpath = minetest.get_modpath("the_mod_you_want"); local io.open( modpath.."/"..filename, "r" ); if file then ....code... end
21:45 VanessaE       you need to prepend the modpath since you wanted to find a specific file in a specific mod
21:45 VanessaE       john_minetest: oy!
21:45 VanessaE       that's just nuts
21:46 pitriss        thanks a lot.:)
21:48 pitriss        ok.. and undefined variable is nil or false? it should be nil..
21:48 VanessaE       nil.
21:48 pitriss        ty
21:50 VanessaE       so of course you'll want to see if modpath == nil before checking the io.open() step
22:21 Evergreen      Hello
22:22 VanessaE       hi
23:22 us|0gb         This is so weird .... In the stable Minetest, I cannot dig unknowns. In the unstable version, I can. Both are running the same game.
23:36 RedBlade7      hi
23:36 RedBlade7      i just started with this game two days ago
23:36 us|0gb         Welcome to the game then!
23:36 RedBlade7      i'm trying to figure out the easiest way to find out where all the stuff i built is
23:36 RedBlade7      i tried flying to the highest level but it just seems that the map never ends
23:37 RedBlade7      is there any large jpg or something taht can tell me wherei am?
23:37 us|0gb         Hmm. Yeah, the map goes out pretty far.
23:37 RedBlade7      so how do poeple find out where they last were? including where they left chests after dying
23:37 us|0gb         I don't know how to find where you are without landmarks, but someone else here might be able to help.
23:38 RedBlade7      i put stuff down as a "landmark" but still cant find them
23:39 RedBlade7      are any of the other included maps smaller?
23:39 RedBlade7      i had "v6" it was called i think
23:39 us|0gb         Have you turned off the game since you lost your way? If not, you could hit the "r" key to see the general areas where you've been.
23:39 us|0gb         All the maps go out a huge distance.
23:39 RedBlade7      oh ok
23:40 RedBlade7      flying with 'r' on seems to preload
23:40 us|0gb         I forget how far, but further than +-30000.
23:41 us|0gb         HUGE maps. Unless you TRY to reach the edge, you never will.
23:41 us|0gb         Pressing "r" makes the game show you all loaded blocks.
23:41 us|0gb         Loaded by the client.
23:41 us|0gb         So if your game is still running, that's everywhere you've been.
23:41 RedBlade7      oh
23:42 RedBlade7      i was trying to reach the edge
23:42 us|0gb         It takes several hours to reach the edge.
23:42 RedBlade7      lol
23:42 RedBlade7      i just killed myself
23:42 RedBlade7      and try pressing 'r'
23:43 RedBlade7      but it just shows some more than others
23:43 us|0gb         Sorry, I don't know what else would help you find your stuff.
23:43 RedBlade7      ok
23:44 RedBlade7      but turning "r" on and off just shows and dims parts of the map
23:44 RedBlade7      is that what it's supposed to do?
23:44 us|0gb         THat's what it does. But it only shows places you've been since logging in.
23:45 RedBlade7      ok
23:47 us|0gb         If you hit F5, you can see your current coordinates. Next time, you could write those down to find your way back later.
23:47 RedBlade7      ok
23:48 zat            free GPS!
23:48 zat            PPS actually... planar positioning system~
23:59 zat            Maybe now it works: Someone has a world with a big rollback.txt to try the SQLite implementation?