Time Nick Message 00:06 VanessaE Pilcrow: at this time of night it tends to go quiet 00:08 Inocudom The experimental mapgen mod has many features that I hope will make it into mapgen v7 one day. 00:10 VanessaE who knows...maybe 00:17 Peacock kaeza, i think i found a way to do geoip locally on server host machine 00:22 kaeza hm? 00:26 iqualfragile Inocudom: link? 00:27 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7263 (this is the link) 00:29 Inocudom The features of this mod will make the base game more interesting. 00:31 iqualfragile i like those new mods 00:35 Inocudom Has anybody ever tested the lulzpack mod? 00:35 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3907 (link to the mod) 00:36 Evergreen I tried, but it didn't even generate a world 00:37 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=111558#p111558 00:37 VanessaE opinions needed. 00:37 VanessaE (not related to Inocudom's link) 00:37 Inocudom Why does lulzpack need to be an actual game? Why not just a modpack? If people tested and commented on the mod more often, it might end up better in the end. 00:40 Inocudom If the two maps are combined, then there would need to be two player classes. Creative mode players would have to be incapable of dropping anything or putting anything in a chest. 00:41 Inocudom Survival mode players would work as normal, though they should not be able to build in the creative zone, nor should creative players be able to build in the survival zone. 00:42 Inocudom Once a player decides to be creative or survival, the decision is permanent for all eternity. 00:44 jojoa1997 who made the mg mod 00:44 VanessaE Inocudom: write your opinions on the forum post plz 00:44 VanessaE jojoa1997: nore 00:45 PilzAdam and sfan5 00:45 jojoa1997 thanks 00:49 Inocudom I wrote them in a post in the topic. 00:51 jojoa1997 Incondium what opinions 00:51 Inocudom The mod below might be of great help concerning the server: 00:51 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5545 00:51 VanessaE G*d damn it 00:52 jojoa1997 waht mod is it 00:52 VanessaE stupid forum bug shows part of an old poll on the creative server's page now 00:52 VanessaE (I tried to add a simple yes/no/undecided, but it has answers from an OLLLLD poll from when I proposed the map reset on that server) 00:52 VanessaE Inocudom: oooohhh 00:52 jojoa1997 there should be a setting to delete polls 00:53 jojoa1997 waht mod is it? 00:53 Inocudom Priviledge Areas 00:53 jojoa1997 oh yeah i like that 00:53 VanessaE too bad there isn't a "creative" privilege 00:53 zat1 Someone knows of a mod that lets invalid commands pass as messages? This is happening to me now and I have too many mods to try disabling one by one. 00:54 jojoa1997 especially the idea of gravity in certain areas(especially since i failed at making a mod like that months ago) 00:56 Inocudom Taoki (MirceaKitsune) is here with us? 00:58 Inocudom Has Taoki seen the experimental mapgen (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7263) yet? 00:58 VanessaE yep, already played a bit with it 00:59 Inocudom How would it be if mapgen v7 had those features? 01:00 VanessaE dunno, I haven't played with it enough to decide 01:00 VanessaE and I'never used mgv7 myself 01:00 VanessaE I've* 01:08 Inocudom oOChainLynxOo did a video of my creations on Redcrab's server recently. Below is the link to the video: 01:09 Inocudom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVN4p3L1gtc&list=UUGBOAQUgqCUtDA-4L4mHVzA&feature=player_detailpage 01:10 kaeza VanessaE, do you have a link to your updated colors.txt for the mapper handy? 01:11 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/colors.txt 01:11 kaeza thanks :) 01:11 VanessaE support for streets and stained glass is out of date though 01:11 Evergreen Ahouldn't be too hard to update it though 01:11 Evergreen *Shouldn't 01:15 Sokomine hi? 01:16 VanessaE should be easy 01:16 VanessaE I'm just lazy :P 01:16 VanessaE hi 01:16 kaeza http://kaeza.mooo.com/minetest-map/map.png 01:16 Pilcrow off to play some minetest :) 01:20 Evergreen kaeza: Is your server in your house? 01:21 kaeza maybe, maybe not 01:21 kaeza probably not 01:22 kaeza why? 01:28 Peacock sweet, the serverside geoip works :-) 01:28 kaeza great :D 01:30 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/YFMZl9J.png 01:30 VanessaE heh, cute 01:31 NekoGloop NEKOGIGAS :3 01:35 Peacock 45 minutes till Breaking Bad :D 01:44 Inocudom I still like to play the multiplayer fps game Red Eclipse, but the game does not have custom player model support. 01:44 Inocudom Doesn't seem like anybody has ever made a mod to do that either. 01:46 Inocudom It seems odd that absolutely none of the players would care about custom model support, but I am a very hard person to surprise, as my current signature states. 01:50 PilzAdam bye 01:50 Dark_Soul can someone help me? 01:51 Dark_Soul my hoes will not till the dirt 01:52 Peacock try slapping them around 01:52 VanessaE wrong kind of ho(e), Peacock ... :) 01:53 Peacock oups 02:03 Dark_Soul -.- really 02:04 VanessaE no idea about the problem with the hoes 02:04 VanessaE onyl pilzadam or zeg9 could answer that I guess 02:04 Dark_Soul ok 02:04 VanessaE unless you're just trying to play somewhere where you have no interact privilege 02:05 Dark_Soul no its my own server 02:12 NekoGloop That doesn't neccessarily mean you have interact 02:13 NekoGloop After all, minetest servers are really really stupid 02:28 Inocudom There is someone else who is starting out with making gameplay videos of Minetest. His name is IrfaanGames and the link to one of his videos is below. 02:29 Inocudom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBKgaRu4R8o 02:30 Dark_Soul im going to start doing that i hope soon 02:30 Inocudom Good idea. 02:31 Dark_Soul thanks 02:31 Dark_Soul all the ones i have seen are all playing in creative -.- 02:35 Inocudom oOChainLynxOo rarely plays in creative. 02:35 Dark_Soul ok cool 02:36 Dark_Soul VanessaE 02:37 VanessaE hm? 02:38 Dark_Soul do you use linux? 02:38 VanessaE yes 02:38 VanessaE (debian) 02:38 Dark_Soul ok 02:38 Dark_Soul o not the same as mine 02:38 VanessaE doesn't matter much 02:38 VanessaE one's as good as another for most things 02:38 Dark_Soul well i need help seting up a short cut to start my server so i dont have to be on at all times 02:39 Miner_48er restart script 02:39 VanessaE http://pastebin.com/sMqmryGq 02:39 VanessaE modify that to suit your needs. 02:39 VanessaE it's what I use for my servers 02:40 Dark_Soul ok 02:40 Dark_Soul so use the terminal 02:40 VanessaE mmhmm 02:40 VanessaE that's how it's done when you set up a daemon 02:41 Dark_Soul i use the ubunto 02:41 Dark_Soul *ubuntu 02:41 VanessaE ubuntu* 02:41 Dark_Soul lol 02:41 VanessaE ubuntu is debian with a bunch of extra stuff added 02:41 Dark_Soul ok 02:41 VanessaE so, same diff 02:43 Dark_Soul hmmm 02:46 Dark_Soul . /home/minetest says no such file 02:46 VanessaE like I said, modify it to suit your system 02:46 VanessaE like where your minetest instance is kept, where your config files are stored, etc. 02:47 Dark_Soul well this is going to be fun (i just got linux this morning) so im new to this 02:50 Miner_48er using a gui or cmdline 02:50 Miner_48er *terminal 02:51 Dark_Soul yes i know that 02:56 Inocudom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH9jGI1mzSI&feature=player_detailpage&list=UU9-aSGgj7pVXFEnd-iFzVdA 02:57 Inocudom The world is not a happy place anymore (though it was never meant to be.) 02:58 Miner_48er VanessaE What's the typical # of errors your server has a day? 02:58 VanessaE Miner_48er: less than 1 02:58 VanessaE Inocudom: oh G*d please not that crap :( 02:59 Miner_48er ERROR[ServerThread] ? 02:59 VanessaE oh, idk. I don't routinely count such things 02:59 VanessaE but my server rarely crashes anyway 06:00 sfan5 !title 06:00 MinetestBot sfan5: Signs Of Change The Past Week Or So Sept. 2013 Part 1 - YouTube 06:01 VanessaE_[T] looked like a religious "end of days" thing 06:11 [0gb_us] I seem to have some sort of invisible ... something ... at the top of my desktop. 06:11 [0gb_us] When I drag windows, they catch on it, like if there was a panel there. 06:13 VanessaE_[T] weird 06:16 [0gb_us] I also have a new idea I plan to implement: season-specific nodes. You have to obtain them in the correct season, but can build with them any time. Combined with shops, it could mean lucrative business for those with foresight. 06:17 VanessaE_[T] like perennial flowers or so 06:18 [0gb_us] Yeah. I'm not sure how I want to apply the concept to the flowers yet, but I do want to have some sort of flower type for each season. Trees will be easier, once I figure out the L-system. Saplings will grow into a different form of the tree for each season. 06:18 [0gb_us] For example, flowering trees in spring. 06:19 [0gb_us] Any tree grown in one season but left alone will keep its original form. 06:20 VanessaE_[T] the old nature mod used to add blossoms to trees 06:20 [0gb_us] Didn't already-grown trees change with the seasons? Mine won't do that. 06:22 VanessaE_[T] nope, not that I know of 06:22 VanessaE_[T] the blossoms just appeared randomly 06:22 [0gb_us] Okay, I must be thinking of a different plugin then. My bad. 06:23 VanessaE_[T] maybe mauv---peacock's seasons mkd 06:23 VanessaE_[T] mod* 06:23 kahrl you mean Khaaaaaaaaan? 06:23 [0gb_us] This one will check the current UNIX time stamp and apply the correct season at growth time. I don't know whether to use northern seasons or southern seasons though ... 06:23 VanessaE_[T] yeah :P 06:24 [0gb_us] Can Windows use UNIX time stamps, or do I need a fallback method for use on WIndows? 06:25 [0gb_us] Hmm. Timestamp isn't what I need anyway. I need a date. 06:25 VanessaE_[T] doubt it. isn't there a regular time/date function? 06:25 VanessaE_[T] right 06:25 [0gb_us] I know Windows uses dates. 06:25 [0gb_us] A time/date function in Lua? 06:26 kahrl os.time 06:26 VanessaE_[T] yeah 06:26 [0gb_us] Oh, nice. That will make things easier. 06:27 [0gb_us] Now I just need to hope the solstices and equinoxes land on the same dates each year. 06:28 VanessaE_[T] they won't 06:28 [0gb_us] Drats. This will be hard then. 06:28 VanessaE_[T] but do you really want to go THAT long-term? 06:29 [0gb_us] I build to last, yes. Why should I build something that is broken from the start? I might as well not build it at that point. 06:29 [0gb_us] I could round it off, and target by month though, if it comes to it. 06:30 VanessaE_[T] well I'd have suggested that a season only last maybe a week of real time 06:30 [0gb_us] Hmm ... THat would probably be faster in Lua anyway. 06:31 [0gb_us] Oh, nonnonono. That would kill some of the fun. It would also kill most of the business aspect. 06:32 [0gb_us] If you miss the spring nodes, just wait three weeks? That's not all that long. 06:33 [0gb_us] I might align the game clock with GMT as well, but that's more of a server-specific setting that will only apply to my worlds. 06:34 VanessaE_[T] hi 06:36 [0gb_us] Then again, a week-by-week seasonal clock would eliminate the northern versus southern hemisphere issues ... 06:36 VanessaE_[T] yup 06:37 [0gb_us] Though that could also be fixed by making the seasons wrong for everyone. 06:37 VanessaE_[T] and j game time, a month is a pretty long time 06:37 VanessaE_[T] s/j/in/ 06:39 [0gb_us] Hmm ... I supose a month could be a season. It would be a decent compromise between full-length seasons and overly-short seasons. THough it would also make holiday-related nodes such as jack-o-lanterns make little sense. 06:39 VanessaE_[T] there are 72 game days in a real day so even a week of real time is too long 06:40 [0gb_us] The game days would be lengthened though to real time. 06:40 VanessaE_[T] ehhhh 06:41 [0gb_us] My only issue is people in different time zones/hemispheres ... 06:41 kahrl I remember the day/night feature from the pokemon games. Neat, but probably also a nightmare for parents :D 06:42 [0gb_us] True. 06:43 [0gb_us] Meh. I guess jack-o-lanterns three times per real year (and probably not any of those times landing in October wouldn't be SO bad ... 06:43 [0gb_us] Hah, children having to sleep. I bet parents liked that. 06:43 kahrl you could just make up your own holidays that are aligned with the in game year 06:44 [0gb_us] My own holidays ... That would be fun. But with my low level of creativity, it would take time. 06:45 [0gb_us] I won't be adding mobs, at least until the 2000+ nodes are done. 06:45 MinetestBot john_minetest: Van Canto - Last Night of the Kings (Official) - YouTube 06:46 [0gb_us] I think someone linked me to that in the past. 06:46 VanessaE_[T] until entity duplication is fixed, mobs are best done by faking it with nodes :) 06:47 [0gb_us] I'm not even sure if I'm going to utilize falling nodes, and I'm almost certain I'll remove the ability to drop items. 06:47 [0gb_us] That'll annoy people. THey'll need chests to do any gifting. 06:49 [0gb_us] Maybe that's too drastic. 07:07 pitriss hi, please, is there any way how I can make player skin transparent? 07:07 [0gb_us] Yeah, you'll need an image editor to do that. I'd recommend GIMP. 07:08 [0gb_us] If you install GIMP, I can walk you through it, it's an easy proccess. 07:08 [0gb_us] *process 07:09 pitriss I have gimp.. :) I only want to know if it will be working... 07:09 [0gb_us] Okay, yeah, it'll work. Just select the whole image, hit the delete key, then save. 07:10 pitriss so when I leave some space on body transparent, then there will be possible see through player? 07:10 [0gb_us] I believe so, yes. 07:10 pitriss great.. thank you evry much 07:11 [0gb_us] Actually, yeah, I'm positive. 07:11 [0gb_us] No problem. 08:31 VanessaE_[T] note to self: tablets are not exactly packed with RAM. 08:32 [0gb_us] What do you mean by that? 08:32 [0gb_us] Never mind, I misread. 08:32 [0gb_us] I thought you said "tables". As in Lua tables. 08:35 VanessaE_[T] heh 08:36 VanessaE_[T] nope, just lazing in bed, hence the tablet... I go off to look at a neat steampunk keyboard hack and byebye irc... 08:36 kahrl I sometimes pack my kitchen table with ram. It's delicious. 08:37 VanessaE_[T] fricken browser takes up like 350 MB of RAM and I only have 512. 08:37 [0gb_us] Oh, joy. 08:37 VanessaE_[T] don't you mean jam? :) 08:37 kahrl ram with jam 08:37 [0gb_us] I don't get it, VanessaE. 08:38 VanessaE_[T] nevermind. bad joke 08:47 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Checkers Day! :) 08:47 [0gb_us] Happy Checkers Day to you as well. And good night, I'm off to bed. 08:50 VanessaE_[T] hi 08:52 VanessaE_[T] mmmmmm checkers...I could go for some of their fries right about now... ;) 09:53 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix compiling issue of MSVC 9e6bdc377f 2013-09-23T02:51:14-07:00 http://git.io/ao_MnA 11:13 otak Hi, when trying to place a door in a building mod, server says 'not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "air"' 11:17 otak maybe doors:register_door can work? 11:20 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:25 otak hi. when I tried doors:register_door the server crashed 11:27 VanessaE hey PilzAdam. 11:27 VanessaE did you depend on doors first? 11:28 VanessaE if you don't and try to use a function from it, most of the time your code will crash 11:28 VanessaE (same is true for all mods) 11:31 otak do you mean in the depends.txt 11:31 VanessaE yeah 11:40 otak oh thanks we're trying to understand how to add a door as part of a mod 11:41 VanessaE that's how it works 11:42 VanessaE if you use some others mod's function(s), you must either depend on that mod, or copy its functions into yours and rename and tune them to suit. 11:43 otak actually just wanted to call minetest.env:add_node() but a door is more than one node 11:46 VanessaE right 11:46 VanessaE in which case you have to add both nodes. 11:47 VanessaE check for air or buildable_to in both spaces, then add both nodes one at a tim 11:47 VanessaE tme* 11:47 VanessaE time***** 11:55 jojoa1997 Hi! 12:13 jojoa1997 where are biomes defined in the mg mod 13:13 otak thanks VanessaE we finally managed to put doors on our magic earth towers :D 13:14 VanessaE cool 13:21 * harrison wakes from the sisyphean rotisserie and begins the grueling ascent to the treadwheel 13:24 harrison http://youtu.be/woWrILbhLVY 13:26 harrison thank you. the next one will be nicer. 14:17 Mossmanikin Hi folks 14:19 VanessaE hi 15:31 harrison john_minetest: come back! ops will be yours np! 15:35 Mossmanikin Evergreen: would you like to test if generating is faster now? 15:35 Evergreen Sure 15:36 Mossmanikin nice (need a subjective opinion, so mine doesn't count :D) 15:38 Mossmanikin *objective instead of subjective ;) 15:43 xiong Near as I can tell, the difference between a sand tube and a mese sand tube is that, for the latter, the radius of effect is adjustable. What's the plain sand tube's radius? 15:43 xiong Um... intended. 15:46 * Evergreen is afk 15:53 Jordach afternoon 15:53 * Jordach pokes sfan5 15:54 sfan5 how did you know I just returned 15:54 PilzAdam hi Jordach 15:54 Jordach hey PilzAdam 15:54 * Calinou pets sfan5 15:54 Calinou hi 15:54 * sfan5 throws a kitten at Calinou 15:55 * harrison emerges from the pond festooned with duckweed 16:02 Jordach lol harrison 16:02 Jordach sfan5, any news ;P 16:02 sfan5 no 16:02 sfan5 but what about more buildings? 16:02 Jordach crack a private server up then 16:02 Jordach private != PUBLIC LISTINGS. 16:04 sfan5 Jordach: why private? use my public one 16:06 harrison what is it called? 16:08 Jordach sfan5, i wanna do private survival with MG 16:08 sfan5 harrison: see the serverlist 16:08 sfan5 Jordach: oh... 16:09 Jordach you know, play with you guys 16:09 Jordach (not like that) :P 16:11 harrison i am not seeing the public serverlist today 16:11 harrison only "favorites" i used before 16:11 sfan5 http://servers.minetest.net/ 16:25 harrison shocking new film btw http://youtu.be/2HLYiPb9gww 16:28 proller harrison, what kind of drugs you use ? 16:28 Calinou he uses mese 16:28 rubenwardy Hi all! 16:28 Calinou hi rubenwardy 16:30 rubenwardy waz up minetest bitches?@ 16:30 harrison proller: not even nsaids i am sorry to say 16:31 harrison i fear being a genius takes so much time that i forget to relax and have fun and take drugs 16:31 harrison why, what do you suggest? 16:52 Mossmanikin VanessaE: thanks for the idea to trigger on tree trunks instead of the ground, result looks much better :) 17:00 Mossmanikin Somehow fits to the sound of Prodigy 17:05 harrison Prodigy? you are remixing it? or you think that is prodigy? 17:06 Mossmanikin No, watching the vid, listening to the prodigy 17:06 harrison oh, very good then. carry on 17:06 harrison that falls under "remixing" 17:07 Mossmanikin yeah, only there's no record ;) 17:09 sfan5 !TITLE 17:09 sfan5 !title 17:09 MinetestBot sfan5: festooned with duckweed - YouTube 17:10 PilzAdam note to self: sfan5 cant write ! without activating capslock :-p 17:10 sfan5 PilzAdam: this is what happend when I press the key for ! with capslock: 1 17:10 sfan5 happens* 17:16 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi! 17:16 OldCoder john_minetest, indicate your schedule in PM sometime 17:16 sfan5 hi OldCoder 17:16 OldCoder sfan5, hi too! 17:16 OldCoder I built the latest 0.4.7 upstream 17:17 OldCoder And I am updating mods. I figure I will need help to convert worlds. 17:17 OldCoder Can't do this during the day; I am at work 17:17 sfan5 convert worlds? 17:18 sfan5 I thought you do know how to use the migrate feature 17:18 sfan5 "minetestserver --migrate " 17:20 OldCoder sfan5, no; I am referring to the mods 17:20 OldCoder sfan5, most of the worlds have game zips with mods that will no longer work 17:20 PilzAdam sfan5, AFAIK he already has leveldb worlds 17:21 OldCoder I need to find out which mods to keep, which to drop, and which to replace with whose versions 17:21 sfan5 I'm always available to help you 17:21 OldCoder Different people have taken over different mods; if a server maintainer wishes to preserve old worlds it is a bit of a mess. But we will proceed. Thank you! 17:21 OldCoder I will be working on this most weekends and some weekday evenings. 17:22 OldCoder I wish to preserve the old worlds, merge some of them into one, and run all of the new stuff 17:25 babyface1031 i can help with what i can OldCoder 17:26 OldCoder babyface1031, Oh yes; thanks. It will not happen immediately. But once it is done the worlds should be ready for future updates. 17:26 babyface1031 ok take your time 17:32 Mossmanikin preserving old stuff is a good thing, hated how it was almost impossible to do such a thing during the development of mc 17:33 sfan5 ^ 17:33 PilzAdam for some reason it downloads a lot of data 17:47 Jordach called your mom 17:48 Calinou os.call("your_mom") 17:48 Mossmanikin :D 17:49 Calinou hi Mossmanikin :P 17:51 Mossmanikin Calinou: Hi Calinou :D 17:52 Mossmanikin Jordach, in case you called my mom, you helped to educate her? 17:55 Jordach plol 17:55 Jordach Mossmanikin, for some reason it downloads a lot of data called your mom 17:55 Mossmanikin lol 18:02 Mossmanikin Ok, ... finished laughing... Adam & my mom ... why not? Adam seems to be a clever guy, worth a try 18:03 Jordach nope 18:03 Jordach i'd rather rebuild London 18:04 Jordach or even the German capital (idk the name) 18:04 Calinou build paris! 18:04 * Calinou gallops away 18:04 Mossmanikin half of germans don't 18:04 Pelayo_ and then invade it 18:04 Mossmanikin ;) 18:05 * Jordach pokes sfan5 18:09 Jordach GTA IS OVERRATED 18:09 Jordach SAINTS ROW 4 FTW 18:09 sfan5 hag 18:09 sfan5 *heh 18:10 Jordach i'd rather use fast around the streets with a dubstep gun 19:05 Jordach hey PilzAdam, i've got different weapons in OpenSpades 19:06 Jordach namely ak-47, Ballista (iron sights) and a spas12 19:07 PilzAdam just different skins? 19:11 Jordach_ not if you have the windows Slab6 editor :3 19:11 Jordach_ actually; i've worked how it does the reloads and shit 19:12 Jordach_ see magazine.kv6? and the no magazine.kv6 models? 19:12 Jordach_ it switches the models and adds a magazine entity then switches round when reloaded 19:13 xiong Where we're going, we don't need roads. 19:27 PilzAdam spam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=111662#p111662 19:42 zat Someone knows if it is possible, with WorldEdit, to stack regions ignoring air or specified blocks? 19:44 xiong BttF II. 19:45 xiong Erm, sorry; end of I. 19:45 xiong Needless to say, easy to get confused about time in that series. 19:46 xiong The DeLorean comes back equipped with antigravity, hence no need for roads. Also a Mr. Fusion with an input hopper that looks suspiciously like a blender from some "decor" outfit. 19:47 xiong So where they're going, they also don't need split-second timing to catch a once-in-a-lifetime lightning bolt. They do, though, still need 88 MPH. 19:57 kaeza afternoons 19:57 Calinou hi 19:57 zat Someone knows if it is possible, with WorldEdit, to stack regions ignoring air or specified blocks? 19:57 zat (I repeat so keaza can read) 19:58 kaeza zat, kaeza*, and no idea, sorry 20:00 kaeza one way would be creating layers of gravel or sand high up, and letting them fall, then doing a //replace to the desired node 20:03 kaeza [16:59:50] *** lecacasesdelicieux left the game 20:03 kaeza :I 20:03 Calinou lol 20:03 Calinou "ses" is incorrect here 20:04 kaeza Calinou, cacas (plural) 20:04 kaeza though I guess "le" is incorrect there 20:04 kaeza "the shits are delicious" O_o 20:04 Calinou it is 20:04 Calinou correct 20:05 Jordach_ OH GOD 20:06 zat1 that player was in my server a couple hours ago 20:13 zat1 thats scat 20:29 Peacock kaeza> [16:59:50] *** lecacasesdelicieux 20:29 Peacock had him/her too, told him to eat shit and banned him lol 20:30 kaeza huehuehue 20:31 kaeza I took my serv off the public server list for that reason 20:31 kaeza too many assholes connecting :/ 20:31 kaeza 1 20:31 andersje my youngest kid was playing with minecraft this weekend, and I have to say my impression of minecraft is: wow is it slow (compared to minetest) and WOW is it hard to connect to multiplayer servers. 20:32 andersje usually I find that the closed-source incarnation of a product type is easier to use. Not in this case. 20:32 kaeza john_minetest, I prefer 2 legit players to 400 griefers/assholes/annoying kids 20:32 Calinou I read "incarceration" 20:33 Calinou andersje: it's not much harder, there is just no public list 20:33 Calinou MC isn't that slow these days, especially with optifine 20:33 Calinou but it is getting slower than before :P 20:33 kaeza john_minetest, currently, there's 2 20:34 kaeza well, 1, one timed out 20:34 Peacock kaeza: lol ironically, when my serverside geoip detects a BR, it messages him 'huehuehue' right before banning :P 20:34 kaeza Peacock, hah! 20:34 zat1 Peacock: is there a problem with brs? 20:34 kaeza !up kaeza.mooo.com 20:34 MinetestBot kaeza.mooo.com:30000 is up (208ms) 20:35 Peacock well *i* have a problem with BRs, dont know about other servers 20:35 zat1 What would it be your problem? just to know. 20:36 Peacock constant incessant griefing, speaking portuguese while obviously understanding english, etc. 20:36 andersje Calinou: I couldn't get the java client to connect to a multi-player server until linux at all. Had to reboot into win7 to get it going. 20:37 Peacock kaeza also thinking of pulling off public list 20:37 andersje Calinou: I was also getting about 5 fps in a GTX460, on a quad-core phenom, even in fullscreen mode. 20:37 Calinou works for me :P 20:37 Calinou disable compositing/desktop effects 20:37 Calinou were you using nouveau or the nvidia driver? 20:37 andersje nvidia driver 20:37 Calinou that's probably not intended then 20:37 zat1 Peacock: That you do not tolerate other languages is “understandable”, but saying that because of being BRs they are griefers is just plain discriminatory. 20:37 Calinou graphics card temperature is too high maybe 20:37 andersje it's moot now, since multiplayer works in windows, so the kid will be booting into win7 now 20:38 andersje no, it's in range. sub70C 20:38 andersje and this is a rig which routinely posts 30+ fps in minetest. 20:38 andersje I blame java+ubuntu 20:38 * andersje tends to blame java for all things 20:38 Calinou 30 FPS on a 460? that's low 20:38 Peacock call it whatever the fuck you want lol i havent seen a single BR ip on my server that didn't grief 20:38 andersje 30+ -- it never drops below 30 on that rig. 20:39 andersje it's a minimal little machine in need of an upgrade. quad-core phenom, gtx460, (or is it gt460)...acer slimline model 20:39 Calinou I never drop below 60 on a 570 20:39 Calinou it's gtx460 20:39 Calinou and I have AA, AF, view distance 128, 1920×1080 20:40 andersje it may be a gt430 20:40 zat1 Peacock: you are the one just trying to justify your ignorance. 20:40 andersje hold on, maybe my wife left the machine on, I'll check 20:40 andersje nah, she turned it off. 20:40 Peacock yeah ive seen that argument in other threads for other games lol 20:41 Peacock fact is, my server, my bandwidth, and i can take whatever steps i want to reduce my admin overhead 20:41 zat1 you dont say 20:42 Peacock beside, there are at least one or two brazilian servers, if thats how they like to play they should stick to it 20:42 babyface1031 john_minetest, as soon as the server catches up you should have interact 20:42 andersje Calinou: it's an asus ENGT430 -- geforce 430 -- one of the only cards I could find that didn't overtax the powersupply in that box 20:42 Calinou lol, 430 20:42 Calinou gtg, night :P 20:43 zat1 Peacock: I don’t really care about your arrogant intolerant arguments, I don’t need more explanations, thanks. 20:44 Peacock stay the eff off my server and you wont have to put up with it :-) 20:45 zat1 you can be sure of that 20:45 andersje wow, zat1. Why not just spin up your own server? 20:45 andersje I mean, it's free. It's not worth getting upset about. 20:46 zat1 andersje: I have my own server. 20:46 zat1 And it is not an intolerant one ;) 20:46 andersje so why do you care if you're on his? 20:46 andersje oh, he's blocking brazilian IPs. 20:46 andersje yeah, my mailserver dumps all email from brazil too. Too much spam. 20:46 andersje taiwan gets dumped, too 20:47 kaeza zat1, tell me again after you've been struck by a wave of 10 br users griefing all over the place :) 20:47 zat1 wow I see many homophobic people around here 20:47 PilzAdam zat1, Peacock is not ingorant at all; he just noticed that all connections from BR are griefers 20:47 Peacock i worked in a convenience store for 3 years, and every time a hood got caught shoplifting, they bitched about racial profiling, so that bullshit wore thin with me a long time ago 20:47 zat1 xenophobic 20:47 zat1 damn corrector 20:48 Peacock naw, xenophobic would be only allowing connections from Canada 20:48 Peacock some of my best builders are german, asian and american 20:48 andersje I'm not homophobic. 20:48 andersje nor am I brazilianphobic 20:48 andersje I have nothing against the people of brazil. 20:48 kaeza zat1, it's not xenophobic, it's just trying to keep the server clean 20:49 zat1 “Blocking all traffic from Brazil because all are griefers”, is xenophobic discrimination 20:49 andersje *pfft* 20:49 andersje I reject your argument 20:49 PilzAdam zat1, no, its observaation 20:49 PilzAdam -a 20:49 zat1 really bad observation 20:49 zat1 the argument of the lazy admin 20:49 Peacock it's xenophobic to notice every single connection from Brazil requires an active admin nearby? 20:49 andersje dude, I don't allow ssh traffic from south america or asia, either 20:50 zat1 Peacock: it is just your (and a couple others) opinion. 20:50 andersje a) I have no authorized users there, b) too many brute force breakin attempts. 20:50 andersje am I xenophobic because of that? 20:50 Peacock an opinion can't be backed by facts, i got logs 20:50 zat1 SSH is not a free protocol to play games 20:50 PilzAdam zat1, what would you do if all the connections from one country to your server are griefers? 20:50 zat1 Probably let the mods DO THEIR JOB? 20:51 kaeza pfft 20:51 PilzAdam so you need always people arround that can ban them 20:51 PilzAdam you sir, have a lot of freetime 20:51 zat1 So far all people from USA I have known are plain ignorant and dumb, not for that I reject to chat with an USAn when I meet them. 20:51 Peacock yeah well i can't be watching brazilians 24/7, at least with the rest of my players i can make dinner instead of shutting down the server 20:51 andersje zat1: if that's the case, I'd recommend you block chat traffic from the USA 20:51 andersje I, for instance, don't talk with people from the Deep South 20:52 andersje (e.g. Alabama) 20:52 andersje I have too many cousins there. 20:52 Peacock zat1 now that's what i'd call a generalization, one most of your fellow brazilians share, which is probably they dont have much respect for other servers and their admins 20:53 zat1 fellow brazilian? 20:53 zat1 fellow? 20:53 andersje zat1: if it makes you feel any better, I banned my youngest son for a month once, because he was griefing too much. 20:53 Peacock i figured the way youre taking this dicussion that you are one 20:53 Peacock (or know some) 20:53 zat1 It just shocks me to see so simple minded “admins” over here. 20:54 zat1 Peacock: I have three good players that are Brazilian, in my server. 20:54 Peacock yeah well, when we get paid to put up with this bullshit, we'll do it fulltime, until then, we don't put up with what we don't have to 20:54 andersje some of the best BF3 players I've worked with are brazilian. I'd totally let them on a BF3 server I was running. 20:55 andersje world of tanks, too 20:55 Peacock 3 good ones is already better than the 5 or 6 that show up at the same time on mine destroying everything in spawn 20:55 * andersje migrates home 20:56 PilzAdam zat1, its not about the nationlity of the people that are behind the connections 20:56 Peacock and legit players complain because absolutely everything has to be node-protected 20:56 zat1 And I am Chilean, anyway... it just shocks me to see how many European/USAns think that South America and Asia are synonymous of spam/thieves/etc/nonculture. And I say USAns because America is the name of a continent, not a country. 20:56 PilzAdam its just a fact that all connections from BR to Peacock's server are griefers 20:56 PilzAdam and "America" is not a name of a contintent; there are "North America" and "South America" 20:57 kaeza PilzAdam, +1 20:57 Peacock did i say south america? 20:57 Peacock kaeza's from south america and i wouldn't ban him 20:57 Peacock two relatives in peru, one more in mexico 20:58 PilzAdam zat1, I guess you already heard of proxies; its possible that the griefers are canadian and use brazilian proxies 20:58 Peacock pilzadam apart from grog and uberi, i dont know any other canadians here :P 20:58 Peacock MC tends to be more popular since you can play it on xbox 20:59 Peacock though if they were proxies, would they geolocate to small towns in brazil? i'd think it be in the big cities 20:59 zat1 PilzAdam: It is a name of a continent, the north part I can call it North America, the south part I can call it South America. The country was called The United States of America, which means it is inside America, and not that America belongs to them. The first time America was used to refer to a land was circa 1500, the first time spanish people needed to name the new continent, and only the south part was called America. Just that. 21:00 PilzAdam no 21:00 PilzAdam there is no contintent called "America" 21:00 PilzAdam such thing doesnt exist 21:00 zat1 Oh god... a little but of literature doesn't bite. 21:01 Peacock if anything, America is a stand-in for USA, the continent is North America 21:01 PilzAdam according to wikipedia, "America" refers usually to the USA or the landmass consisting of North and South America 21:02 PilzAdam since "America" is not the name of a specific contintent, it is totally valid to call the USA america 21:02 zat1 Yes, USAns like to call it Americas instead of America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas 21:02 Peacock heck my little corner of the continent went from being New France, to British North America, to finally North America (Can & US) 21:03 PilzAdam but that isnt subject of the discussion 21:03 zat1 But, just check where it links the link to Spanish (Español) language of that article. 21:03 zat1 “América” 21:03 PilzAdam we were talking about zat1 who thinks that rangebans are racism 21:03 Peacock well i've had that argument chucked at me a few times over that lol 21:04 Peacock its like accusing someone of being racist because they won't park their car in the Bronx 21:05 zat1 Making fun of an argument using a stupid one, wont make you right, sorry. 21:05 PilzAdam it doesnt make me wrong either 21:05 PilzAdam I just wanted to bring you into a position to explain your point 21:07 zat1 I did already, banning a whole country because you have decided, based on your narrow experience, that they are all *whatever* is just an ignorant and simple/lazy minded argument. 21:07 Peacock because im North American and i should bend over and never learn :P 21:08 PilzAdam you dont ban "a country", you can connections from a country 21:08 Peacock define narrow experience, I geoip all incoming connections, have been for a month, a clear pattern emerged 21:08 PilzAdam there is a difference in it 21:09 zat1 Peacock: Narrow: Only yours and perhaps of some known people. 21:09 Peacock you mean other server admins? 21:09 Peacock cuz when i started dealing with the problem, they started appearing on kaeza's server instead 21:10 kaeza zat1, do you have any experience on the subject? 21:10 kaeza I mean, being invaded by griefers that all come from certain location? 21:11 zat1 kaeza: I have experience on sysadmining clusters of many servers (most emails), rather that gaming. 21:11 PilzAdam that doesnt answer his question 21:11 zat1 And when, for example, most of the spams originates from a country, I work on improving the filters, not on banning messages coming from that country. 21:12 kaeza zat1, the first step on filtering is filtering all incoming traffic 21:12 PilzAdam and what about locations where _only_ spam/griefing comes from? 21:12 Peacock so what, you'd have be node protect everything because they can't read "NO GRIEF" 21:12 Peacock *have me 21:12 kaeza you then improve the filters to filter particular incoming traffic 21:13 Peacock then all my other players suffer because i have to approve each area 21:13 kaeza in this case, the "whole filter" is banning aconnections from a country 21:13 kaeza -a 21:13 thexyz just look at the serverlist 21:14 zat1 Peacock: 1° there are no regions where people with legitimate messages dont exists but exists only computers who send mass spam. 2° not everybody understands what grief means (I did not in the beginning), and do not expect it either from people that doesn’t speak English. 21:14 Peacock i for one, wont nail down every chair and coaster because certain gamers can't follow the rules, id rather just cut them out and keep it fun for everybody else 21:14 thexyz #1 server: "Tiricopolis Brasil 1.1" #3 server: "DragonBornB ServerBR" 21:15 Peacock zat1, im not talking about 1-time griefers, they come back multiple times day, every day, the same towns and ip ranges 21:15 zat1 If you cannot give a message correctly to all the possible audience in *the Internet* it is probably fault of your media and not fault of the audience so I do not think you should punish the audience that DOES NOT SPEAK YOUR LANGUAGE only because they want to play. 21:15 Peacock well you don't go on an english server if you can't understand the rules in english, duh 21:16 zat1 That is what bans exists for 21:16 zat1 but not rage bans based on location 21:16 Peacock i dont see the difference if the end result is the same 21:16 zat1 I am not really happy when I cannot visit certain web servers of idiots who thinks no legitimate web traffic originates from South America. 21:16 thexyz I think this discussion is unhealthy and we should stop it. 21:17 kaeza ^ 21:17 Peacock wether i ban every BR address after each grief or ban them all preemptively, it amounts to the same 21:17 thexyz this is not related to Minetest in general so you can as well discuss this in private chat 21:17 Peacock its going nowhere yeah 21:17 zat1 Right thexyz 21:19 Peacock !seen thefamilygrog66 21:19 MinetestBot Peacock: thefamilygrog66 was last seen at 2013-09-22 04:18:33 UTC on #minetest 21:19 zat1 Just to leave it here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Waldseemuller_map_2.jpg 21:20 Peacock shit and i just missed him on my server lol 21:20 zat1 First time the name America was used to refer to the new continent... 21:20 zat1 and what a fail of a continent shape 21:22 Peacock Africa, China and Australia don't look quite right either 21:22 zat1 Right, but America IS the worst 21:22 zat1 looks like a piece of poop 21:23 kaeza lel 21:24 Peacock not entirely sure central Europe has two giant seas in it either 21:25 Peacock and Japan seems a little big, if that is supposed to be Japan 21:26 pitriss Peacock: I just want to express my support to you.. because I have simmilar expreience about brazilians from lot of games.. And to be not so generalizing, yes, I know 1 person from brasil who was great player of auteria 21:36 Peacock anyone who wants it : http://pastebin.com/NfwsJS7X 22:22 Peacock the port field in the menu? mine changes too :/ 22:23 PilzAdam I guess he means that the singleplayer port is randomly choosen 22:23 VanessaE hi 22:23 Peacock well even the server tab, i type 30001, then when i click on the map, it changes back to 30K 22:23 Peacock thats how i get random people on my test maps lol 22:24 Peacock howdy v 22:50 pitriss please is there any simple way (some mod etc) how to get basic info from mt server? I mean, number of connected players, max player cap, who is connected.. 22:51 NekoGloop ?server 22:51 NekoGloop ... gah, what's that command 22:52 kaeza /status 22:52 NekoGloop Eeh, I meant the mt server status command 22:54 pitriss ah.. i meant from outside.. to use for monitoring purposes, showing on website.. sorry for confusion 22:55 Peacock lol they wanna open up private drunk tanks in britain where you have to pay to get out - thats fucked up lol 22:56 iqualfragile_ Peacock: yes it is, and its allso old news 22:56 Peacock just made it's way to the AP now lol 22:56 iqualfragile_ pitriss: no, i do not think there is any interface to get server statistics 22:56 iqualfragile_ the only thing there is is the masterserver 22:56 Peacock but what happens if you dont have the 400 pounds? do they keep you locked up? 22:57 iqualfragile_ they cant 22:57 iqualfragile_ they are not allowed to 22:57 Peacock that would amount to debtors' prison basically 22:57 iqualfragile_ (at least if the laws in gb are at least a litle bit simlar to german laws) 22:58 pitriss iqualfragile_: ah.. and is there any simple way how to create own masterserver? is code somewehere on github? 22:58 iqualfragile_ they are not the police, so they can not hold you 22:58 iqualfragile_ pitriss: yes, the code is on github 22:58 iqualfragile_ i think its in the minetest repository, serach for it 22:58 Peacock heck even security guards here are limited in how much force theyre allowed to use 22:59 Peacock though in Canada we're usually thankful if people walk home (if even on their hands and knees) rather than take the car 22:59 iqualfragile_ pitriss: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/master/util/master 22:59 pitriss iqualfragile_: thanks:) i will look on it:) 23:00 iqualfragile_ oh, you can get into serious trouble in germany if you drive drunk 23:00 Peacock here too, unless youre a diplomat 23:00 iqualfragile_ (even thought we do not have speed limits and love to drink, we do not mix it ;)) 23:00 Peacock heck with how much we freeze our asses off, we love to drink too lol but usually at home (can't even smoke in pubs anymore, alot of bars are dieing) 23:01 Peacock *dying? 23:01 NekoGloop dying, mhm 23:01 Peacock (and i thought dying was the process of coloring fabric lol) 23:02 iqualfragile_ yeah, confuses me, too 23:02 iqualfragile_ its the same in germany (well te non-smoking thing) 23:02 kaeza Peacock, Jebus dyed for our sins! 23:02 Peacock next year they want to ban smoking on terraces/patios 23:02 iqualfragile_ and i think its a good idea, because its saves the nonsmokers from poisoning 23:02 iqualfragile_ but peoplo still drink their beers in bars 23:03 Peacock i dont deny the health benefits, but i tend to think it's up to the business owner to decide what kind of clientele/business he/she wants 23:03 Peacock here its kinda iffy, you can get a sixpack for 6$, or a single serving beer for 3-4$ in a bar, so guess what happens :P 23:04 iqualfragile_ :D 23:04 iqualfragile_ your beer is expensive 23:04 Peacock fuck yeah, you dont wanna see what wine costs lol 23:04 Peacock though to balance things out, weed is cheaper here than elsewhere lol 23:05 Peacock (which doesn't do me much good anymore) 23:05 iqualfragile_ we are allready angry if it costs more then 1,40€ per glass 23:05 Peacock shit lol 23:05 Peacock and in GB, they have a law about the size of a pint if im not mistaken 23:06 iqualfragile_ in germany we have a "reinheitsgebot" which tells you what you are allowed to put into beer 23:07 Peacock not sure bout all the laws here, but i know they have to put the % on the label 23:07 Peacock in the states they dont put them on all the bottles, so we look like alocoholics everytime we shop there for booze and ask how much lol 23:08 Peacock though, 4% beer does taste like pisswater lol 23:08 iqualfragile_ so every traditional german beer consists of water, yeast, malt and hops 23:09 iqualfragile_ and only that 23:09 Peacock each one, or is it multiple choice? 23:09 iqualfragile_ the differences in taste are created by the production methods and the % of those ingrediences 23:10 iqualfragile_ you are free to use as many of those ingrediences as you want 23:10 iqualfragile_ but you may not use anything else 23:10 Peacock cuz we have all sorts of different beers, for a while i liked beer "sur lie" not sure the english term 23:10 PilzAdam you are actually allowed to make beer of other things in germany now 23:11 PilzAdam restricting the ingredients is dissalowed by the EU 23:11 iqualfragile_ "traditional" 23:11 PilzAdam oh right, thats different 23:11 Peacock traditional yeah, thats like the French and cheese names i think 23:11 Peacock or is it wine names/regions? 23:11 PilzAdam the EU protects names of traditional food, e.g. Pizza Magharita 23:12 iqualfragile_ the taste of beer is not proportional to the amount of alcohol it contains 23:12 iqualfragile_ but proportional to the distance from cologne 23:12 Peacock us it goes anywhere from 4 to 11% lol 23:12 Peacock some of my favorites http://planete.qc.ca/nettie/images//bouffe/Verres01.jpg 23:13 Peacock i used to have all the glasses too, until the wife touched them lol 23:16 Peacock i think thats all microbrew anyway, the imports cost nearly twice as much 23:38 Peacock is there a map_meta example somewhere, im looking for the options to enable flolands 23:52 PilzAdam Peacock, editing map_meta is the wrong way 23:52 Peacock well i checked out the mod, the post said flolands was builtin? 23:53 PilzAdam they are in the indev mapgen 23:53 Peacock ah lol 23:53 PilzAdam you can set that in minetest.conf 23:54 Peacock but i only wanted it for one map though, will it affect all? 23:54 iqualfragile_ yes 23:54 Peacock crap 23:54 iqualfragile_ but you can turn it off before you load another map 23:54 Peacock so im better off with the mod then 23:54 Peacock i thought i had to add flolands to mg_flags 23:55 PilzAdam no 23:55 PilzAdam it will only affect worlds that are created while the setting is set 23:56 * iqualfragile_ is sorry for spreading false information 23:56 PilzAdam to be more precise: worlds that are first started 23:56 Peacock so i turn it on, create a map, and turn it off, and ill have one map with flolands and the other unaffected? 23:56 PilzAdam yes 23:57 PilzAdam create and start at least once, then you can do whatever you want to the setting 23:57 Peacock hm, allright thanks ill give that a shot 23:57 * iqualfragile_ too 23:58 iqualfragile_ arsdragonfly: you there? 23:58 kahrl hmmmm made a menu that makes setting mapgen params easier 23:58 Peacock i also gambit's mockups 23:59 iqualfragile_ i allso pizza 23:59 Peacock though just to be clear, i can't add flolands to a pre-existing map then right? 23:59 iqualfragile_ correct 23:59 PilzAdam well, you can, but its not recommended 23:59 iqualfragile_ well… you can… basicly if you hack around a bit 23:59 Peacock hm :/ i wanted to add those to my server and use them for freebuild