Time Nick Message 01:05 AWTom Sheldon's installing Linux on Big Bang Theory 01:06 Pelayo I hope it's not ubuntu... but other distros don't pay for publicity on TV 01:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lets hope it is ubuntu lol otherwise ittl look bad when it comes time to setup graphics and wifi :P 01:07 Pelayo that will be really hard in ubuntu soon 01:08 Pelayo and easier in any other distro, thanks to Mir 01:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan what they getting rid of the wiz? 01:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Mir "because the real thing caught fire and came crashing down to earth" lol 01:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan aptly named hehe 01:08 Pelayo even "official" projects derived from ubuntu are refusing to use it, like kubuntu or lubuntu 01:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well the biggest burn came from intel when they said they wouldn't support it 01:09 Pelayo there is another problem... lots of makers might see it not really useful to do two separate drivers: one for Mir and other for Wayland 01:10 Pelayo and there is only one distro using Mir 01:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/09/08/0431242/intel-rejects-supporting-ubuntus-xmir 01:10 Pelayo yep, I read it 01:10 Pelayo canonical is making several mistakes right now, not only that 01:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Canonical - NIH :P 01:11 Pelayo they are starting to charge other distros for using their packages 01:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well theyve tried everything else to make money 01:11 Pelayo not even redhat enterprise does that I think... 01:11 VanessaE glad I went back to debian then :) 01:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well theres the crux, the market ain't big enough for everyone to sell support 01:12 Pelayo Mir is a big mistake, but I understand why they are pushing it 01:12 Pelayo it makes a lot easier to share code between ubuntu desktop and phone 01:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan debian has it drawbacks too, but thats also what im using 01:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan debian stupid moves: renaming firefox (y?!), removing collada from blender, etc. 01:12 Pelayo I switched to Linux Mint, and they are talking about going back to debian as a base if canonical continues this trend 01:13 VanessaE debian's about to get some minetest mods as official deb packages in upstream :) 01:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i thought there already was a debian-mint 01:13 Pelayo yep 01:13 Pelayo there is linux mint (ubuntu based) and linux mint debian edition (mint themed debian) 01:13 Pelayo until last year it looked like LMDE was a small project due to be abandoned 01:14 Pelayo but I think it might be the official one next year.. 01:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan mods in the repos is a bad idea, you always need the latest versions of the mods for it to work properly otherwise no one lends a hand here 01:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (debian repos i mean) 01:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and its hard enough not having an ancient version of minetest in the repos lol 01:18 Pelayo I got the .deb from the daily ppa and extracted it, running it as standalone... I wonder if the packages from the ppa work in debian 01:18 Pelayo does debian support ppa or is it an ubuntu exclusive thing? 01:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i wish debian had ppa 01:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but alas, i think its a launchpad thing 01:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but then ppa's would defeat the purpose of debian cherrypicking the freest packages 01:21 Pelayo but you can't force the users to use only taliban-gnu-licensed software :/ 01:23 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan like i said earlier, my biggest frustration would debian is how they crippled blender lol 01:23 Pelayo that's why I don't like going back to debian 01:24 Pelayo debian is great for servers, where stability is he top priority 01:24 Pelayo the* 01:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well i used to use archbang, but i lived in mortal fear the next update would break something (9 times out of ten it did) 01:25 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it would be nice to have just one distro that doesnt suck, isn't outdated or crippled by subjective principles 01:25 Pelayo I'm happy with linux mint for now 01:26 Pelayo but all ubuntu-based distros are in a small danger because of mir and other licensing things 01:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan mint was a no-go for my p4, it kept switch sda and sdb on every boot, so half the time it couldn't find the system 01:26 Pelayo strange 01:27 Pelayo there is only one thing why I can't recommend mint to a new user 01:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i think the issue might have been because the two drives used different connectors (sata and pata) 01:27 Pelayo no support for upgrades to newer releases, the only supported way to upgrade is a clean install.. 01:27 Pelayo it's not a problem for me, but it might be a real pain in the ass for someone who is starting 01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan with archbang i got used to updating via clean install lol 01:28 Pelayo I'm used too from ubuntu 01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but i cant be sure constantly formatting the / partition isn't what caused the disk to die lol 01:29 Pelayo ubuntu officially allows upgrading, but 3 of 4 times I did that I ended with a non bootable system 01:29 Pelayo so i stopped trying 01:32 ShadowNinja Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: I use Arch Linux. No issues so far. 01:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well if you like it more power to ya, i felt maintenance was a pain 01:34 Pelayo arch requires more time and knowledge, but I have to say their docs are awesome 01:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though it is ironic - when i was pro arch a year ago everyone was like "hell no" lol 01:36 ShadowNinja Yes, their wiki is the best I know of. My main reasons to switch to it were 1) it has recent puilds of just about everything if you count the AUR. 2) It is a rolling distribution. 01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan are the aur helpers working now? i had some issues three months ago 01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (archbang came with packer, yaourt wasn't in pacman's repos :S) 01:39 Pelayo O_o 3 hours for downloading 3.11.1 kernel 01:39 Pelayo there is something wrong here 01:41 ShadowNinja I use yaourt. I downloaded the PKGBUILD and ran makepkg on it. (Or whatever that command is) 01:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan someone accidentally packaged their pron folder along with the kernel :/ 01:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah no that right there is too much effort for me lol 01:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats why i was kinda glad to go back to synaptic 01:53 ShadowNinja Very neat: http://osrc.dfm.io/ 01:54 PilzAdam bye 02:24 LandmineTM sup sup 02:24 LandmineTM long time no see peeps 02:24 LandmineTM missed e? 02:24 LandmineTM me*** 02:24 VanessaE nope. 02:25 LandmineTM vanessaE i missed you too 02:25 LandmineTM <3 02:26 LandmineTM i see oldcoder is still around 02:26 LandmineTM is jordach active anymore? 02:28 LandmineTM menche!!!! 02:28 Menche oh hello 02:29 Menche haven't seen you for a while 02:29 LandmineTM yeah 02:29 LandmineTM been a loooooong time 02:31 LandmineTM man this chat is even more boring than it was before 02:31 Menche its usually pretty dead around now 02:31 LandmineTM how so 02:31 Menche around this time of day 02:32 OldCoder Hi! 02:32 OldCoder LandmineTM, Jordach is here at times... He works hard I think on creating characters 02:32 LandmineTM ohh ok menche....hi oldcoder,,,,,,what a noob i have to get a real job and that homo is making characters? gtfo 02:32 LandmineTM hehehe 02:33 Menche let see, in europe it's around 4 am 02:35 LandmineTM so? 02:36 Menche a lot of minetest people are from around there, everyone's probably asleep around now 02:37 LandmineTM true 02:37 LandmineTM bunch of dirty brazilians now a days 02:37 LandmineTM nothing like the good old days when i was the only mexican :') 02:37 LandmineTM ahh yesss the good old days 02:40 LandmineTM oldcoder do you not agree with me that it was better in the old days? 02:40 LandmineTM when it was fun to troll? 02:42 OldCoder Hm? 02:42 * OldCoder cannot respond to somebody who has left 03:33 VanessaE bbl 03:44 OldCoder VanessaE, c u 03:50 Guest82172 Good afternoon everyone. I hope you are all well. I just had a quick question, which is also sort of a request. 03:52 Menche ok... 03:53 Guest82172 I wanted to try a little trick I learned. But I would need to see if someone can log into my server to see if it works. You can leave right after. I just would like to see if you can get in. 03:54 Menche address? 03:54 Guest82172 One moment, I am geting it now 03:55 Guest82172 98.116.20.24 03:55 Guest82172 30000 or 31000 I am unsure 03:55 Menche not working on 30000, lets get MinetestBot's opinion 03:56 Menche !up 98.116.20.24 03:56 MinetestBot 98.116.20.24:30000 seems to be down 03:56 Menche !up 98.116.20.24 31000 03:56 MinetestBot 98.116.20.24:31000 seems to be down 03:56 Guest82172 Ah, so it does not work just as I thought. 03:56 Menche the computer at that address isn't responding to minetest init packets. either there isn't a server running or it's behind a router. 03:57 Guest82172 I figured it would not work 03:57 Guest82172 Just trying a little trick I heard 03:57 Menche ? 03:57 Guest82172 Thank you for your time 03:57 Menche what trick? 03:58 Guest82172 I heard if you have reamobo. And give someone your public IP they would not need the program. That they would be able to join as long as they had your public IP 03:58 Guest82172 I figured it was wrong. 03:58 Menche remobo works by creating a virtual network 03:59 Menche everyone has to be on that network (be logged on to remobo and on each other's buddy list) to see each other 03:59 Guest82172 Yes, and others need to be added to your virtual network to join 03:59 Guest82172 Yes 03:59 Guest82172 I knew this "trick" rather now a false rumor was wrong 03:59 Guest82172 Speaking of servers. What ever happen to Menches server 03:59 Guest82172 I do not see it on public anymore. 03:59 Guest82172 It was quite popular 04:00 Menche got sort of annoyed at the persistent griefing 04:00 Menche so bad i'll have to reset the world 04:01 Menche i don't feel like putting it back up without a better protection solution in place, though 04:01 Guest82172 Yes, Griefers are quite annoying. You should try this Mod landrush servers use 04:01 Guest82172 If you hit a claimed area more then cretin times you become auto banned 04:02 Guest82172 You can set it for certain amount of time and even ban after a certain amount of temp bans 04:02 Menche its up, but the current map is really a temporary placeholder and i have a lot to do on it, so i disabled serverlist announcing 04:03 Guest82172 Ah, I understand. Well I am off to work on my world. 04:03 Guest82172 Thank you Menche for the help and chat 04:03 Guest82172 Take care. 04:03 Menche np 04:03 Menche bye 04:10 Inocudom http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU9-aSGgj7pVXFEnd-iFzVdA&v=uH9jGI1mzSI&feature=player_detailpage (Signs of Change) 04:12 Inocudom Scary stuff it is. Our world is crumbling to dust. There is no light at the end of the tunnel anymore. 04:14 Inocudom I know this to be so, due to the fact that the very foundations of my spirit have been collapsing ever since a few years back. 07:31 * Jordach is going to start killing people who use 64px textures when they should be 16px 07:32 Jordach it makes life difficult for texture packers 07:32 khonkhortisan 64? I use 128, hindered by my computer memory 07:42 GNADev|zRokh hi 07:42 GNADev|zRokh :D 07:43 GNADev|zRokh sfan5, have you ever used PhpBB? 07:43 Jordach GNADev|zRokh, he's not here 07:43 GNADev|zRokh cause i have a problem and nobody at #phpbb is helping 07:43 GNADev|zRokh he just joined o.o 07:43 Jordach Netsplit between *.net and *.split. Users quit: book`, sfan5 07:43 GNADev|zRokh what does that mean? 07:43 Jordach they wont hear you until they come back 07:44 Jordach not to mention he's at school 07:44 GNADev|zRokh in #phpbb the same thing happened... 07:44 GNADev|zRokh oh ok 07:44 GNADev|zRokh Jordach, do you know anything about phpbb? 07:44 GNADev|zRokh because look: http://gnadev.hj.cx/forums/memberlist.php 07:44 GNADev|zRokh look from member #5 to #23 07:44 GNADev|zRokh :/ 07:45 GNADev|zRokh i had 7 spammers register in 1h and 10 minutes... 07:45 GNADev|zRokh i've deleted some users, deleted some posts but they still keep coming back 07:46 GNADev|zRokh what should i do? 07:46 Jordach ban by IP 07:47 GNADev|zRokh they all have seperate IP's, i think... let me check 07:49 GNADev|zRokh finally 07:49 GNADev|zRokh the capcha im using is readable by bots 07:49 GNADev|zRokh ill use Q&A Capcha 07:52 Jordach !op 09:30 Mossmanikin Hi folks 09:37 JamesTait Good morning all, and happy Water Monitoring Day! :) 09:40 * Jordach is laughing 09:40 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPH4D0j6LD4 10:14 VanessaE hi all 10:18 arsdragonfly Hi 10:24 Mossmanikin Hi 10:24 VanessaE slow morning huh. 10:25 Mossmanikin :D 10:34 Jordach uhm what crome 10:34 Jordach chrome* 10:34 Jordach VanessaE's minetest directory acts strange when i select an audio file 10:54 * Jordach is busy supporting Sokomine's travelnet 10:55 VanessaE strange how? 10:55 VanessaE and which directory? 10:56 Jordach the minetest one 10:56 Jordach VanessaE, this big black window covered your js directory (not the white page listing) 10:56 VanessaE "the minetest one"? 10:56 VanessaE HDX, my game, what? 10:57 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/jHtVDvS.png 10:57 VanessaE oh that 10:58 VanessaE weird. 10:58 Jordach VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/d1PKMag.png 10:58 VanessaE didn't know anyone still bothered to explore my site 10:58 Jordach click that highlighted thing 10:59 VanessaE works for me 10:59 VanessaE (ff 24 beta 8) 10:59 Jordach probably chrome being chrome 11:09 Jordach hey Evergreen 11:10 Evergreen Hello 11:12 Mossmanikin Mercury Rain-mq.ogg works for me, Mercury Rain.ogg not 11:12 VanessaE weird. 11:12 * VanessaE shrugs 11:14 Mossmanikin I've heard that track before... but don't know where. 11:14 VanessaE in technic 11:14 VanessaE it's part of the extended ambiance mod 11:14 Mossmanikin Yeah, that's it! 11:14 Mossmanikin Really like it 11:15 Mossmanikin Bit like a Unreal I tune 11:15 VanessaE it was originally an .s3m module or some such 11:15 Mossmanikin That explains it 11:15 Mossmanikin Love trackers 11:20 Mossmanikin To be be more precise: I love modules and working with mod plug tracker 11:21 * Jordach prefers FL Studio 11:21 Jordach i can add notes using my rock band guitar, what else do i need? 11:23 Mossmanikin Used to do a lot with FL Studio, but prefer the oldskool way now 11:24 Jordach Mossmanikin, i just don't like the way Tracker's layout songsd 11:24 Jordach -d 11:24 Jordach !op 11:24 Jordach much cleaner and easier to read 11:26 Mossmanikin I loved FL 1. 4, but the newest... too much of a good thing 11:26 Jordach i have FL Studio 11 XXL (I like throwing money at the best) 11:28 * Jordach sneezes 11:28 Mossmanikin Bless U 11:30 Jordach travelnet 75% supported 11:40 Mossmanikin Evergreen: guess I'll use plants_lib for generating forest soils, sort of found a way to do it without, but doesn't seem to be faster at all 11:41 Evergreen Mossmanikin: I think that's because plats_lib uses onge to spawn plants 11:41 * Jordach starts playing openspades 11:42 Mossmanikin Yeah, people who'll use our mod will probably use plants_lib anyway 11:43 * VanessaE peeks in 11:44 VanessaE someone mentioned plants_lib? :) 11:44 Evergreen Jordach: I can't play openspades because when I try to apply the patch sfan5 gave me, it says it could recognice th patch or something like that 11:45 Evergreen *recognize *the 11:45 Mossmanikin Yeah, plants_lib is a must have ;D 11:47 Jordach Evergreen, malformed afaik 11:49 Mossmanikin VanessaE: for some reason generating of some stuff using plants_lib seems to be faster than using minetest.register_on_generated 11:50 VanessaE it's because plants_lib goes through some effort to filter out all the land it can before spawning a plant :-) 11:52 Mossmanikin Nice! Guess I'll "abuse" it for a lot of not-plants then in the future :) 11:53 VanessaE go for it :) 11:53 VanessaE it's already being used in some ...unusual places *pokes Sokomine* 11:54 Mossmanikin :D abusing stuff (not living beings!) is cool 11:57 Jordach 'tis a shame VanessaE bought a webserver and not a VPS 11:58 VanessaE heh 11:58 VanessaE well that server only costs me 10 bucks a month 11:58 Jordach that's cheap 11:58 VanessaE a VPS would be three times the price 11:58 Jordach VanessaE, you only need 128mb of ram to run one 11:58 * Jordach has run simple mobs on one before 11:59 Jordach > ascii a stupid question, get a stupid ansi 11:59 Jordach plol 12:00 Jordach VanessaE, considering your home machine consumes similar electricity (~$15 a mo.) it's not that much of a far stretch 12:01 VanessaE true but my home machine would stay up 24/7 anyways and the client uses far more power than the servers 12:01 VanessaE so it's a wash 12:01 * Jordach thinks that CPU needs a rest :P 12:02 VanessaE please, this 6-core monster begs to be utilized properly. 12:02 VanessaE :) 12:02 VanessaE and it's all his fault! ^^^ 12:02 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 12:02 VanessaE ;) 12:02 Pelayo mine is behaving strangely... 12:03 Pelayo a screwdriver fell and broke two blades of the cpu fan 12:03 Pelayo and it's cooler than ever 12:03 Pelayo 28c now O_o 12:06 Pelayo and no, this screwdriver is not sonic 12:12 Mossmanikin Hi PilzAdam 12:25 Mossmanikin Evergreen: check GitHub if you like to test forest soils (didn't follow naming conventions for textures yet, lotta unused stuff there) 12:26 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/mERNllk 12:26 Evergreen Okay, once I get the stalactites to spawn naturally, I'm going to pull request it 12:27 Mossmanikin Allright 12:28 Jordach plol http://i.imgur.com/5nYWjSb.jpg 12:28 Mossmanikin lol 12:29 Evergreen heh 12:31 Jordach AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=111018#p111018 12:32 Evergreen AWESOME ALERT 12:32 Pelayo do you have a vault jumpsuit too? 12:32 Jordach anyone wanna play OpenSpades 12:32 Evergreen Mossmanikin: It doesn't appear that the new dirt types are in the github repository 12:32 Mossmanikin Pretty cool, yeah 12:33 Evergreen Goshdangit, I really want to get openspades working, it looks awesome 12:33 Jordach lemme just make this youtube video...... 12:34 Mossmanikin Evergreen: what do you mean not there? 12:34 Jordach Evergreen, hold on 12:34 Evergreen Can you link me to your youtube channel again? Mossmanikin: I don't see any init.lua files or textures in the github repository 12:34 Evergreen Did you remember to push your commits to the github repository? 12:35 Evergreen I don't know how github works on windows, so I might not be very helpful 12:36 Mossmanikin there's 2 branches, check "forrest-soils" 12:37 Jordach Evergreen, .deb package for OpenSpades: http://www.mediafire.com/download/dwda0e2di98yd4t 12:37 Jordach (it's 64bit, which i damn hope you are) 12:37 Evergreen I'm not. GRRRRR 12:37 Evergreen This is why I need a new computer 12:38 Jordach Evergreen, i could boot into Mint 15 and attempt building it myself 12:38 Evergreen Hmm, are you sure you want to go to that trouble? 12:39 Jordach Evergreen, you use ubuntu, i use mint; binaries should work on either 12:39 Jordach linky sfan5's patch 12:40 Mossmanikin Need a new OS, just to damn lazy.... 12:40 Mossmanikin *too 12:43 Evergreen Here is sfan5's patch: http://pastie.org/8334080#2-3 12:46 jordach Evergreen, grabbing packages 12:46 jordach i just need to compile then BAM 12:47 jordach (it'll just run from it's own directory) 12:55 * jordach pokes sfan5 13:11 VanessaE bbl 13:13 Mossmanikin bb VanessaE 13:14 * Evergreen is afk 13:19 jordach yay, manually applied the patch to fix the compile error 13:20 jordach Evergreen, COMPILED! 13:21 Mossmanikin don't know what you're talking about, but congratulations! :D 13:21 jordach zipped and ready to upload 13:22 jordach sfan5, i compiled it on Mint 15 32bit; suck it 13:26 arsdragonfly1 is mmdb working now? i can neither download mods nor add new versions 13:29 Mossmanikin although I like theidea, I never used mmdb 13:31 jordach http://i.imgur.com/rJLXT63.jpg <- Evergreen 13:32 jordach PrintScreen doesn't work with sdl1.2 13:36 * jordach wonders if the forums has a mark all posts read feature 13:51 jordach john_minetest, OpenSpades works on windows 13:51 jordach mine is fixed so the on map load = crash is gone 13:52 jordach you want a copy? 13:55 Mossmanikin software isn't proprietary, people are 13:55 _0gb_us_ Actually, yeah, there is proprietary software. 13:56 _0gb_us_ It's everywhere. 13:56 jordach john_minetest, okay 13:56 arsdragonfly1 double-clicking on servers always makes it log in with an empty password 13:57 arsdragonfly1 is that normal? 13:57 jordach john_minetest, windows right 13:57 jordach zipping, then uploading 13:57 Mossmanikin just luv 2 play with words ;) 13:58 jordach john_minetest, gimme 10 mins, uploading Evergreen's ubuntu OpenSpades :) 13:58 _0gb_us_ arsdragonfly, I have that issue when single-clicking sometimes. 13:59 arsdragonfly1 jordach does openspades enable modified accurancy of rifle? 13:59 jordach arsdragonfly, nope 14:00 jordach bullet detection isn't as good as the normal client 14:00 arsdragonfly1 it's said that rifles were nerfed in 0.75 14:00 jordach correct 14:01 jordach but boosted again in 0.76 14:01 arsdragonfly1 and can't be more accurate without changing the client 14:01 jordach bollocks 14:02 jordach sfan5's upload service 0 - Mediafire 1 14:02 arsdragonfly1 there's a nice voxel fps called iceball out there 14:03 jordach eww 14:03 arsdragonfly1 iceballga.me 14:03 jordach i'd rather play the original 14:09 jordach john_minetest, 7 mins remaining 14:10 jordach wait WHAT 14:10 jordach I can use digital audio through my regular ports in PulseAudio and it cracks and pops at 100% 14:11 jordach but as soon as I change it to my ANALOG headset, it stops cracking 14:11 _0gb_us_ That's odd. 14:13 jordach FUUUUCCCKKKKK NOOOOOOooo! Gimp 2.8 :( 14:14 Spitfire57 Hello everyone 14:14 jordach _0gb_us_, http://i.imgur.com/orr48jZ.png 14:14 Spitfire57 Could anyone please help me? I have a little bit trouble with setting up my server 14:15 _0gb_us_ Is that an outdated version or something? 14:15 _0gb_us_ I use GIMP, but I don't know what version I have, especially on my new system. 14:15 Mossmanikin Hi Spitfire57 14:15 jordach 2.8 is most recent _0gb_us_ 14:15 jordach and they removed Save As 14:15 jordach now it's export with a different shortcut 14:16 * jordach prefers ctrl + shift + s 14:16 _0gb_us_ Hmm. Seems I have an older version, 2.6.12. 14:16 jordach LUCKY. BASTARD. 14:16 jordach john_minetest, 3 mins 14:17 jordach you better be sure you have OpenGL 2.1.x 14:17 _0gb_us_ What is the issue, Spitfire57 14:17 _0gb_us_ ? 14:18 _0gb_us_ jordach, I'm not sure what you're showing me in that shot. 14:18 jordach _0gb_us_, i have two different audio drivers -- the Headset uses the SAME PORTS as the inbuilt analog audio 14:19 Spitfire57 I have set up a machine via VPS. I want the server to be private but unfortunately "guests" keep connecting. I defined a password via .conf and disallowed empty passwords but the guests keep coming 14:19 jordach Spitfire57, peacock has a mod that bans guests 14:19 jordach but he's not here 14:20 _0gb_us_ O think you sent me the wrong shot if you're trying to show me a lack of a menu option; that is not the GIMP menu. 14:20 _0gb_us_ *I 14:20 _0gb_us_ That sucks that they removed that option though; I use it all the time. 14:20 jordach john_minetest, 40 seconds 14:20 Spitfire57 jordach: isn't there a possibility to prevent anyone from the server except the ones who have the password (what a password protected server basically should do ;)) 14:20 jordach Spitfire57, it's just a name, the server doesnt care for names 14:21 jordach although an idea has been rattling in my head for a few days: disallow guests to join servers through the conf 14:22 jordach john_minetest, http://www.mediafire.com/download/gi552pv9wdtvjet/OpenSpades-0.0.8b-Windows.zip 14:22 Spitfire57 I don't think I can follow you: There are only 3 people who have the PW, but guests can connect anyway? 14:22 jordach they shouldnt 14:22 Spitfire57 well, they can :( 14:22 _0gb_us_ I wonder what would posses them to remove that ... 14:23 jordach Spitfire57, you might want the option https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L234 14:23 Spitfire57 That's what I did already... I'm fairly new to setting up servers via SSH. Maybe I edited a wrong file... 14:23 jordach Spitfire57, you want to edit minetest.conf 14:24 jordach not the example 14:24 jordach (it's generated with minetest or minetestserver is started) 14:24 Spitfire57 Yeah, that's what I did 14:24 jordach dont put hashes infront of the settings: hashes are comments 14:25 _0gb_us_ jordach, I agree, control + shift + s is the easiest way to do it. That shouldn't be removed ... 14:25 Spitfire57 What I meant by "wrong file" is, that I fidled around on the new server yesterday and I'm not shure, wether there is a second installation somewhere deep inside the linux datasystem (which I'm fairly new to) 14:25 _0gb_us_ Also, add the settings while Minetest is not running. 14:26 Spitfire57 Ahhh this might help 14:27 Spitfire57 On the other hand: I tested it, was asked for the PW - worked like a charm. 30secs later, there is a guest 14:27 jordach Spitfire57, the guests might be your users 14:27 jordach tell them to create their own name 14:27 Spitfire57 I'm 100% sure they were not 14:28 * jordach pokes Evergreen 14:28 * sfan5 pokes jordach 14:28 sfan5 hi everyone 14:28 jordach sfan5, i compiled OpenSpades for Evergreen 14:28 _0gb_us_ Hello! 14:28 Spitfire57 hi there 14:28 jordach using your patch applied by hand (due to the patch glitches) 14:29 jordach anyways, brb - returning to windows 14:29 sfan5 :/ 14:29 Spitfire57 ok, I just tested it and I must have done something wrong with the conf-file. One of my users could connect whithout PW 14:29 jordach sfan5, i can get 23fps with openspades 14:29 jordach compared to 60fps on windows 14:31 Mossmanikin Everytime someone pokes someone I see a cell hitting another cell in the game SPORE :D 14:35 Jordach and im back 14:36 Spitfire57 wb 14:36 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- i am running a non listed pysnip server (john_minetest, sfan5) 14:37 sfan5 I'm ready 14:37 Jordach john_minetest, using the client as you 14:38 Jordach same client* 14:38 Jordach when the map generates OS just goes mental 14:39 Jordach john_minetest, 81.154.25.249 <- paste the IP into the bar (no aos:// needed) 14:40 Zeg9 Hi there 14:41 * Zeg9 is cloning openspades 14:42 Zeg9 :p 14:42 _0gb_us_ Hello! 14:42 Zeg9 Hi 0gb.us 14:44 _0gb_us_ Hello, Zeg9! 14:45 Zeg9 Hey 14:50 Spitfire57 Jordach: Still there? 14:51 Spitfire57 Or anyone else who could help me with conf-issues? 14:52 sfan5 Spitfire57: whats your problem? 14:53 PilzAdam Spitfire57, do not ask for someone specific if you have a genral question 14:54 Spitfire57 Sry: The specific problem is: I entered the default_pw option into the .conf and the disallow_empty_pw as well. I'm pretty sure, that minetestserver uses the right config file. And still no one is asked for a PW 14:56 Jordach Spitfire57, restart minetestserver 14:56 Jordach conf changes are loaded at startup 14:57 Spitfire57 Erm... would players that have been on the server before still be asked for the PW? 14:57 Jordach yes 14:57 Jordach it's asked by default 14:58 Spitfire57 server has been restarted several times (the vitual machine as well) 14:59 Spitfire57 Ok, I think, we got it 14:59 Spitfire57 When I try to connect with a different Username, I'm beeing asked for the PW 15:00 PilzAdam users that already have a password dont need the defaut password 15:00 Spitfire57 The thing is: They originally had no pw 15:01 PilzAdam then they need the default password, I think 15:01 Spitfire57 It's working now. I wasn't aware of the fact, that known users don't need to enter the first PW ever set in the conf 15:02 Spitfire57 Thanks to anyone who helped :) 15:05 sfan5 Zeg9: did openspades compile? 15:05 Zeg9 It just did 15:06 Zeg9 Great timing. :D 15:06 sfan5 join! 15:06 sfan5 john_cephalopoda: try joining too 15:06 Zeg9 I had a problem with angelscript but I sorted it out 15:07 sfan5 .. 15:07 Zeg9 brb :-/ 15:07 sfan5 :-/ 15:14 Zeg9 sfan5: got an error when I start it 15:14 Zeg9 http://pastie.org/private/ar5zgrv8rqhihufbc75uww 15:15 sfan5 don't cd into bin 15:15 Zeg9 I didn't 15:15 sfan5 ... 15:15 sfan5 o 15:15 Zeg9 I'm in /build/ 15:15 sfan5 oh 15:15 sfan5 cd .. 15:15 Zeg9 maybe I shou 15:15 Zeg9 oops 15:15 Zeg9 ah, works 15:16 sfan5 you also need to download and extract the packs pointed at resources/.txt 15:16 sfan5 and then join the Jordach's server 15:16 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- there it is btw 15:21 Jordach thats not good 15:21 Jordach openspades stopped working 15:21 GNADev|zRokh aye doods, know what? my dad first didnt want me to code and shit but now he wants me to make a Company website for him :D 15:22 GNADev|zRokh im siked as fuck right now :D 15:23 Evergreen Jordach: I'm back 15:23 Evergreen Where is the build? :D 15:27 * Evergreen pokes Jordach 15:36 Evergreen Jordach *ping* 15:45 sfan5 Evergreen: jordach is playing 15:45 Evergreen Okay, can't wait to play with you guys once I get it working 15:54 * Evergreen is afk 15:54 Evergreen If you see jordach, tell him to post the link. I can scroll back up 16:00 Jordach Evergreen, back 16:01 Jordach Evergreen, http://www.mediafire.com/download/hd4vebsy9zzz0c5/openspades-0.0.8b.zip 16:01 Jordach open that up and run OpenSpades 16:01 Jordach (the file with gears, or similar) 16:01 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- then paste this ip into the quick connect bar 16:15 sfan5 Jordach: brb 16:19 Jordach PilzAdam, client died again 16:21 PilzAdam brb 16:21 Jordach oh 16:21 Jordach Evergreen, OpenSpades going yet 16:22 Jordach we should have OpenSpades Minetest community matches 16:23 Jordach Calinou, you should play OpenSpades, sfan5 knows how to compile it 16:24 Calinou tell me how then :> 16:24 Calinou haven't found how to compile it 16:24 Jordach i have a 32bit binary in my mediafire for Evergreen 16:24 Jordach http://www.mediafire.com/download/hd4vebsy9zzz0c5/openspades-0.0.8b.zip <- Calinou 16:24 Jordach works like a run-in-place minetest 16:25 PilzAdam I got it compiled, I can write how 16:25 Calinou do that :P 16:25 Jordach i have a server running as well 16:25 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- then paste this ip into the quick connect bar 16:26 Jordach I'll wait for PilzAdam, sfan5, Evergreen, Calinou so that everyone is ready 16:26 Jordach oh, and john_minetest if he comes back 16:30 PilzAdam Calinou, https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/813b7add5cc4d7ad41b6 16:32 Jordach oh, i used a different method 16:32 Evergreen Thank you very much jordach 16:32 Jordach Evergreen, does it work 16:33 Evergreen Just got back, we'll see if it does 16:33 PilzAdam Calinou, changed last step a bit, reload 16:33 PilzAdam Jordach, how did you build? 16:33 Jordach manually applying sfan5's patch by hand 16:33 PilzAdam what patch? 16:33 Jordach one of his pasties 16:33 Calinou /usr/include/c++/4.7/bits/c++0x_warning.h:32:2: erreur: #error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options. 16:34 Evergreen Nope, it is missing libGLEW.so.1.8 16:34 PilzAdam oh ,right 16:34 Evergreen Doesn't work 16:34 PilzAdam Calinou, sry, forgot to add one step 16:34 Evergreen D: 16:34 Jordach Evergreen, add the libxyz-dev 16:34 Jordach oh, and install clang and clang++ 16:34 Evergreen did already 16:35 Jordach Calinou, it builds with clang 16:35 PilzAdam Calinou, reload 16:35 PilzAdam Jordach, no, builds fine with g++ 16:36 Evergreen Jordach: Can't find libxyz 16:36 * Evergreen has to go 16:36 PilzAdam Calinou, remove all contents of openspades.mk after changing CMakelists.txt 16:36 sfan5 Jordach: I'm back 16:37 PilzAdam Jordach, Ill join if Calinou has no more problems 16:37 PilzAdam *when 16:42 PilzAdam Calinou, added one last step, reload 16:42 PilzAdam for some reason there is no make install 16:46 ShadowNinja I compiled OpenSpades, but now it can't load Main.as. I hope this doesn't require a systemwide installation... 16:46 Jordach it doesnt 16:46 sfan5 ShadowNinja: see resources/*.txt 16:46 sfan5 and you need to run it from the main folder 16:46 sfan5 (not /bin or /) 16:47 Calinou hmm, looks like I got an error, it stopped at 64% 16:47 sfan5 which file? 16:47 Calinou yet "Linking CXX executable ../bin/OpenSpades [100%] Built target OpenSpades" appears 16:47 Exio4 your cpu is too slow for compiling it 16:47 Exio4 overclock up to 7ghz 16:47 sfan5 heh 16:47 ShadowNinja Now it can't find Gfx/banner.png... 16:48 Calinou oh 16:48 sfan5 ShadowNinja: see Resources/readme.txt 16:48 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, how have you build it? 16:48 sfan5 ShadowNinja: Resources/PakLocation.txt* 16:49 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/813b7add5cc4d7ad41b6#file-gistfile1-txt-L12 16:49 PilzAdam follow this line 16:49 PilzAdam btw, my method creates a system wide version, but for some reason there is no make install 16:50 PilzAdam so just run it from bin/ but it will take the resources from ~/.openspades 16:51 PilzAdam anyway, is someone on the server? 16:51 Jordach nope 16:51 Jordach coming 16:51 ShadowNinja I already did all that, although I also applied sfan's patch. 16:51 PilzAdam I dunno what sfan5's patch does 16:51 ShadowNinja (With the exception of the recources) 16:51 sfan5 PilzAdam: it fixes things 16:51 PilzAdam what things? 16:52 PilzAdam (just link the patch) 16:52 sfan5 https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6612057 16:52 PilzAdam I fixed ConcurrentDispatch.cpp in a different way... 16:53 PilzAdam https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/813b7add5cc4d7ad41b6#file-gistfile1-txt-L10 16:53 ShadowNinja It runns now. :-) 16:53 ShadowNinja -n 16:53 PilzAdam Calinou, do you have any problems left? 16:54 sfan5 so unistd.h undefines _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN wat 16:54 Calinou wait 16:54 PilzAdam sfan5, unistd.h defines it, but with the #ifs arround it it isnt included 16:54 sfan5 oh 16:55 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124702/ 16:55 Calinou :| 16:55 sfan5 run from main dir 16:55 PilzAdam copy the content of ../Resources/ to ~/.openspades/Resources 16:56 Jordach ShadowNinja, that you connected to my server 16:56 PilzAdam you could also try to copy the Resources to ./Resources/ 16:57 PilzAdam dunno if you actually need that at first startup, but it works for me without it 16:57 Jordach who is this guy: 2013-09-18 17:54:54+0100 [-] Deuce3 (IP 67.241.154.164, ID 3) entered the game! 16:57 sfan5 your mom? 16:58 Jordach lol 16:58 * sfan5 plols 16:58 PilzAdam Calinou, hurry up! I wanna play ;-) 16:59 ShadowNinja Jordach: Yes. 16:59 Jordach busted. 16:59 Jordach ShadowNinja, go to the graphics tab and change yer damn name 16:59 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, protip: you can change your nick 16:59 ShadowNinja OpenSpades captures my mouse so I can't use IRC. :-( 16:59 PilzAdam ^ this sux 17:00 Jordach ShadowNinja, quassel lets me type without having to focus on the chat bar 17:00 Jordach another win for quassel 17:00 Calinou still doesn't work PilzAdam 17:00 Calinou same error 17:00 * ShadowNinja uses quassel 17:00 Jordach Calinou, sudo apt-get install clang clang++ 17:00 Jordach i built fine with clang 17:00 PilzAdam Jordach, he already compiled... 17:01 Calinou the binary seems to work 17:01 PilzAdam Calinou, so, you have 3 resources folders: in the main directory openspades-master, then in openspades-master/openspades.mk and in ~/.openspades 17:01 PilzAdam do they all have the same content? 17:02 Calinou yes, but the main one has one .sh script 17:02 PilzAdam you need Scripts/ Shaders/ and 3 .pak files 17:02 Exio4 wat 17:03 Calinou looks like it works 17:03 PilzAdam I think only the one in ~/.openspades is relevant, though 17:04 Calinou "AA: Custom" lol'd 17:04 PilzAdam so it works now? 17:04 PilzAdam great 17:07 Calinou hello app that I can't alt tab out 17:07 Calinou hello app I can't disable sound on 17:07 [0gb_us] Hello, Calinou! 17:07 [0gb_us] What application? 17:09 Calinou hi [0gb_us] 17:09 Calinou wasn't talking to you 17:09 Calinou OpenSpades 17:10 [0gb_us] I know you weren't, but I was curious/nosy. Sorry about that. 17:11 Calinou no problem :) 17:12 [0gb_us] Hmm. Well, I got my Freenode account back, but it'll take time to finish downloading my backup .tar.gz file which happens to have my other passwords in it. 17:13 [0gb_us] It sucks not even being able to get into my email .... 17:13 thexyz how did that happen? 17:15 [0gb_us] I ran a script that was supposed to convert my Ubuntu-based system to Trisquel. Being paranoid, I backed up all my files first. The script botched my system so it wouldn't even load past the splash screen. Now i have to download the backup I made before this started. 17:15 [0gb_us] *I 17:15 [0gb_us] (My shift key is also jammed.) 17:16 sfan5 goddmanit 17:16 sfan5 *goddamnit 17:16 PilzAdam Disconnected for unknown reason... :-/ 17:16 Peacock stpo whacking and it wont jam :P 17:16 Peacock (baby jesus cries when you do that) 17:16 PilzAdam Calinou, join 81.154.25.249 btw 17:16 * [0gb_us] considers this advice, but loves playing Whack-a-Mole on his keyboard 17:17 Calinou yes 17:17 [0gb_us] Plus, baby Jesus grew up (so is no longer a baby) then died (so no longer cries). 17:18 Peacock then how do you explain the rain? 17:18 Calinou ... 17:18 Calinou are the keys even changeable? 17:19 thexyz [0gb_us]: can't you boot live usb and recover everything? 17:19 Calinou and is the only way to get vsync is to use an application profile? 17:19 [0gb_us] Rain is caused by evaporation and condensation. If that were tears, I'd want to cause more sadness. I love the rain. 17:20 [0gb_us] thexyz, how do you recover with a live CD without losing your data? It's too late now, I used the live CD to wipe the system and make it usable again, but for next time. 17:20 Rhy5 Hi everyone! Rhys Here. 17:20 [0gb_us] Hello! 17:21 Peacock you dont say 17:21 Rhy5 Carry on with your convo, don't mind me. 17:21 thexyz [0gb_us]: you boot it up and copy all your data somewhere 17:21 Calinou hi Rhy5 :) 17:21 thexyz or you just figure what's the problem and fix it 17:21 thexyz since it's not windows 17:21 Rhy5 You know what really startles me? :D 17:22 Rhy5 Awkward Silence. 17:22 Jordach can i restart the PySnip server PilzAdam, ShadowNinja and sfan5 17:22 Rhy5 Very awkward... 17:22 Rhy5 Ah, thats better. 17:22 [0gb_us] thexyz, I already copied all my data to my server before I got myself into this mess, it's just taking forever to download the backup. 17:22 Jordach settings don't take effect until restart 17:23 Rhy5 So, yes, what startles me is that I always get someone to say hi to me, every day. xD. 17:23 Rhy5 Well, I don't make them, they just say hi. 17:23 * Rhy5 blushes 17:23 [0gb_us] I don't know how to figure out the problem in the system to fix it though. I'm not much of a tech wiz. 17:24 Jordach Calinou, you can change keys 17:24 Rhy5 I'm not into techinal stuff. 17:25 Rhy5 Just the usual modding, playing Minetest, finding mese, the ore that came from c55's mind. 17:25 Rhy5 I have to go now, though, bye! 17:25 Calinou bye Rhy5 17:25 Rhy5 That was quick. xD. 17:25 * Rhy5 waves... 17:26 PilzAdam Ill rejoin in a sec. 17:26 sfan5 Jordach: please note that I play in fullscreen and it is painful to minimize the window 17:26 ShadowNinja That runs smothly even with all of the graphics settings maxed out. Including shader water. 17:27 Jordach ShadowNinja, Calinou, PilzAdam, sfan5: it's up 17:27 [0gb_us] What is this game about/like? It seems to be the hot topic today. 17:28 Calinou "Shams Little Pony" plol 17:28 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: It is a open-source clone of lasic ace-of-spades. 17:28 ShadowNinja classic* 17:28 [0gb_us] I don't know Ace of Spades though, so I don't know what that means. 17:29 Calinou oh I found key config 17:29 Calinou it's quite hidden 17:29 * [0gb_us] uses control + h 17:30 Calinou it's not a file 17:31 [0gb_us] I suppose those key strokes don't help then. 17:34 * Calinou strokes [0gb_us]'s keys 17:36 [0gb_us] What? 17:36 [0gb_us] Hands off my keyboard, if you don't mind. 17:36 [0gb_us] I have some spares if you need one, but this one's built into my notebook. 17:38 * [0gb_us] wishes the download would go faster, and realizes that next time, he should create several .tar.gz files, so he can download the ones he needs first and have access to his important stuff while the rest downloads 17:39 [0gb_us] Lumping all my files into one .tar.gz was a bad idea. 17:57 Jordach we should have: well known members of the minetest community VS the guests 17:57 PilzAdam "Disconnected: Unknown Reason" 17:58 Jordach PilzAdam, killed server to change game time 17:58 PilzAdam did we won the last round? your intel was closer to our base :-) 17:58 * ShadowNinja didn't like that map. 17:59 [0gb_us] "Die, server, die!", Jordach say while stabbing the machine repeatedly with a large knife. 17:59 PilzAdam was like Metro in BF3 17:59 [0gb_us] *says 17:59 PilzAdam Jordach, when is it up again? 18:01 PilzAdam Jordach, I guess Ill eat now; I can join again in ~20 Minutes 18:01 Calinou have a good meal PilzAdam :) 18:01 Jordach it's up 18:01 Jordach an hour is default game time now 18:01 Jordach Calinou, join us! 18:02 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- then paste this ip into the quick connect bar 18:11 Inocudom I gave Cube 2 Sauerbraten another try recently. I didn't like it much because most of its maps were pretty bad and having custom player models in it is impossible. 18:12 Calinou it wasn't made for custom models 18:12 Calinou most maps are very old 18:12 Calinou Inocudom: try Red Eclipse 18:12 Calinou it's based on Sauerbraten, but it's better in many ways :P 18:12 Inocudom There is an updated version of it known as Tesseract, but that version is impossible to download. 18:12 Inocudom What benefits does Red Eclipse have? 18:13 Calinou it is, it's a SVN repo, but you need to compile it yourself 18:13 Calinou more modes, better map editing, using custom maps in multiplayer is much easier, slightly moddable game 18:13 Calinou parkour (:D) 18:13 Calinou you can run on walls :P 18:15 Inocudom I tried downloading Tesseract from its new repository, but the resulting compressed file will not open (even though PeaZip should be able to open it.) 18:16 Inocudom Tesseract has dynamic lighting in it, which is why I was interested in it. 18:17 ImQ009 Oh 18:18 Inocudom MirceaKitsune tried to give Minetest dynamic lighting, but was unsuccessful. We don't see MirceaKitsune much these days. 18:18 ImQ009 Inocudom, You need an SVN client for Tesseract 18:18 sfan5 Jordach: 1 hour is too much 18:18 sfan5 try 15 mins or 20 18:18 ImQ009 Anyway, it's a bad engine for Minecraft-like games 18:19 ImQ009 The renderer isn't designed for large open worlds 18:20 Inocudom The Cube engine cannot handle large worlds? Is that why the vast majority of the maps are very small? 18:20 ImQ009 Yes 18:20 ImQ009 There's no LOD at all 18:20 Jordach time limit set to 30 mins 18:20 [0gb_us] "LOD"? 18:20 Inocudom That is an extremely bad flaw. 18:20 Jordach sfan5, Calinou, ShadowNinja: server online 18:21 ImQ009 Inocudom, Flaw or not, it's not supposed to be used that way in the first place :P 18:21 Inocudom Now I know why most of Cube 2's maps are small. It is because they have to be small. 18:21 ImQ009 They either have to be small 18:21 ImQ009 Or occluded 18:21 Calinou Inocudom: MirceaKitsune is Taoki btw 18:22 Calinou ImQ009: its renderer does okay on open maps. 18:22 Calinou [0gb_us]: LOD = Level of Detail 18:22 ImQ009 Calinou, I don't think you get it 18:22 Calinou it's 2013, GPUs can draw tons of polys 18:22 ImQ009 Do yoiu? 18:22 Inocudom He changed his name recently? 18:22 Calinou it isn't that needed 18:22 Calinou ImQ009: I do 18:22 ImQ009 How big are Minecraft maps? 18:22 Calinou only a portion of it is rendered at the same time 18:22 ImQ009 And how big are Cube 2 maps? 18:22 Exio4 look at MT 18:22 ImQ009 It's only a few of the points 18:23 Exio4 64000^3 18:23 ImQ009 The engine takes care of the WHOLE world, in a single chunk 18:23 ImQ009 It's not divided in any way 18:23 Inocudom Most of the Cube 2 maps that come with the game are very small and very bland. 18:23 ImQ009 Making it impossibble to use in huge maps 18:23 ImQ009 The engine simply wouldn't be able to handle it 18:23 ImQ009 It's not just the LOD here 18:23 Exio4 cube 2 is oldish 18:23 ImQ009 Exio4, Tesseract 18:23 Exio4 it has the "bottlenecks" of its times :P 18:24 ImQ009 Inocudom, Most of the maps are old :P 18:24 ImQ009 The newer maps actually have plenty of details 18:24 Inocudom It is a good thing that Minetest uses Irrilicht then. 18:25 ImQ009 Tesseract is a good engine 18:25 ImQ009 for FPS games 18:25 Inocudom They should drop the old maps. I don't care at all for any of them. 18:25 ImQ009 Inocudom, That's a really REALLY bad idea 18:25 ImQ009 It's not just about the looks 18:25 ImQ009 but about the gameplay, y'know 18:25 ImQ009 Many of the maps are known and played often because of their layout or whatever 18:25 Inocudom How does it compare to DarkPlaces? Xonotic has some massive maps (the vehicle maps.) 18:26 ImQ009 DarkPlaces is a totally different thing 18:26 Calinou too bad RE isn't going to use tesseract 18:26 ImQ009 It has LOD, it can handle large open maps 18:26 Calinou if they were made for 18:26 Calinou also enjoy your huge compile times 18:26 ImQ009 Calinou, IMO, it's good they're not going to do that :P 18:26 ImQ009 For obvious reasons 18:27 Calinou smaller maps (= people may play on custom maps more often), way better looks 18:27 Calinou if you turn all the settings down the hardware cost is reasonable 18:27 ImQ009 Way better looks? 18:27 ImQ009 On what side? 18:27 Calinou but the game is unplayable on any open source drivers :D 18:27 ImQ009 Tesseract looks pretty much the same as Cube 2 18:27 Calinou ImQ009: lighting properly cast on models (maybe this could be redone without tesseract, not sure, seen TF2 do that) 18:27 ImQ009 Except the lighting is dynamic 18:28 Calinou TF2 uses lightmaps and lighting is properly cast on models 18:28 Inocudom Another flaw of Cube 2 is that custom player models are completely and entirely impossible. 18:28 Calinou not that hard to fix 18:28 Calinou it's just sauerbraten devs being monolithic 18:28 ImQ009 Inocudom, It's not a flaw of the engine :P 18:28 Inocudom Quake 3 and Half Life allow for custom player models. 18:28 THEFAMILYALLCAPS HOWDY FOLKS 18:29 ImQ009 Be reasonable 18:29 ImQ009 That's a totally different thing 18:29 Inocudom It would figure that it would be a fault of the game, not of the engine. 18:29 ImQ009 Game implementation - engine implementation 18:29 ImQ009 And no, you can have custom player models 18:29 ImQ009 If you replace them 18:30 Inocudom It would only work if you replaced the default ones. You can't have the custom player models and the default ones. 18:30 ImQ009 Yeah but it's easy to get that working though 18:30 Inocudom All of the models would sound exactly the same anyway. 18:31 ImQ009 A small modification in the code :3 18:31 Inocudom I would hope that somebody would decide to make a mod that did those things. 18:32 Inocudom Jordach posted an image of a new would configuration feature. 18:35 Inocudom When was the last time Taoki was on? 18:35 sfan5 Jordach: do you have a nuketown map by any chance? 18:36 sfan5 !seen Taoki 18:36 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen taoki around. 18:36 Jordach sfan5, no 18:36 sfan5 :/ 18:36 Jordach sfan5, there is one about 18:36 Jordach one of the servers has one 18:36 sfan5 that is why I'm asking 18:37 ShadowNinja OpenSpades could use some work on the connecting phase. Is the whole map sent on connect? 18:37 ShadowNinja Even then it shouldn't take so long. 18:38 sfan5 ShadowNinja: it downloads the pack files because you have the dev version and jordach the stable 18:38 ShadowNinja You only need a few bits for color and durability. durabulity of 0 == air. 18:39 sfan5 (I hope i guessed that right) 18:39 ShadowNinja Yes, I have latest git. 18:39 ShadowNinja Jordach: Update! 18:39 Jordach sfan5, http://forumarchive2.spadille.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=11021&hilit=nuketown&sid=ae37d035b1d28176613acc6c021cf557 18:41 sfan5 dwnl 18:41 Jordach nuketown added to rotation 18:41 sfan5 *download the tdm one 18:41 sfan5 can we have it now? 18:41 sfan5 or atleast one we didn't have yet 18:41 * PilzAdam can play now 18:41 * sfan5 can too 18:42 sfan5 101 ppl here! \o/ 18:42 pitriss Hi. Some time ago there was discussion about translating client.. And I have (probably stupid) question.. Whats a point of translated client, when mods doesn't use gettext? 18:42 Jordach current map is now nuketown 18:42 * sfan5 joins 18:43 PilzAdam Jordach, wtf? 18:43 PilzAdam I kept joining in water and insta-died 18:44 Jordach PilzAdam, the spawns should have studck 18:44 Jordach stuck( 18:45 Pilcrow hey guys. first time using irc. did I make it to the minetest area? :) 18:45 ShadowNinja Jordach: Can you disable anti-cheat on the server? That shoud halp lag telporting. 18:45 sfan5 Pilcrow: yes 18:45 Inocudom This is the #minetest irc channel, so I would say yes. 18:46 Jordach ShadowNinja, the only anticheat is aimbot detection and speedhacking 18:46 Calinou I thought Pilcrow was a joke name for PilzAdam O_o 18:46 Jordach nuketown removed from rotation 18:46 ShadowNinja Jordach: What server are you using? pysnip? pyspades? SpeedHacking sounds like the lag teleport causer. 18:46 Pilcrow nope. a pilcrow is actually a grammatical symbol. I'm that kind of 'nerd'... 18:46 PilzAdam Jordach, disable speeedhacking 18:47 PilzAdam choosing a nick doesnt really make you a nerd 18:48 Jordach disabled 18:51 ShadowNinja Hmmm, it looks like it can use a IRC channel... 18:52 ShadowNinja Jordach: #OpenSpades@InchraNet? 18:53 Pilcrow oh, I qualify as a nerd anyway. anyhow, I've looked on the forums but can't find the protocol for releasing a gamepack. do I need a "credits" list if I've used some others' mods? 18:54 sfan5 "protocol" please define 18:54 ShadowNinja procedure 18:54 [0gb_us] Pilcrow, at least your name is pronounceable. ☺ 18:55 ShadowNinja Pilcrow: Post links to the mods used in the modpack. 18:56 Pilcrow well, I understand that I'd need to post into modding general and request a move, but I've used (and heavily modified) some mods others have made. 18:56 sfan5 Jordach: is it up? 18:56 sfan5 you still need to give credit 18:56 Pilcrow I was thinking it'd be good to give credit where credit is due, but I've lost track of the original makers of some of these mods. 18:57 sfan5 well then you need to find the authors again 18:58 khonkhortisan hello ¶ilcrow 18:58 sfan5 :¶ 18:58 THEFAMILYALLCAPS pilzadamcrow? 18:59 khonkhortisan no 18:59 Pilcrow (for example, I made a 3d torches mod of my own, but heavily based it on 2 other mods, one by BlockMen and the other by someone else whose post is buried somewhere in modding general or old mods...) 18:59 Jordach sfan5, online 19:00 THEFAMILYALLCAPS I'd say that they're based on the following mods: , 19:01 Pilcrow ok that answers that. long story short, I've got something I feel is decent but I can't release it yet, huh? 19:05 ShadowNinja Jordach: Can you move this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7239 19:14 PilzAdam Jordach, the maps are too big 19:16 Pilcrow well, thanks for the help, guys. off to work on that, then. 19:39 PilzAdam \o/ 19:39 sfan5 \o/ 19:39 sfan5 enough for today 19:39 PilzAdam Jordach, smaller maps now 19:40 PilzAdam or I wonder if we should join a pub server with more players 19:41 Jordach we should put [MT] in front of our names 19:41 PilzAdam yea 19:41 PilzAdam which server? 19:41 Jordach let's go to http://buildandshoot.com 19:41 Jordach sfan5, there is a 24/7 nuketown server 19:42 Pelayo is there any minimap mod? or a way to save and show waypoints distance even if there is no map? 19:42 sfan5 that is the server I played on for the first time(yesterday) 19:42 Jordach it's hectic 19:43 PilzAdam so? what server? 19:43 sfan5 which* 19:44 Jordach nuketown is full. 19:44 Jordach shams little pony? 19:44 Jordach aos://4038426958:41000 19:45 Jordach (you can paste that into the quick connect as well as an ip) 19:56 ShadowNinja Jordach: Can you move my mod post? See ^ 20:02 * Evergreen is back 20:05 khonkhortisan :Evergreen!b8114347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.17.67.71 PRIVMSG #minetest :[0001]ACTION is back[0001] 20:05 * khonkhortisan found the raw log 20:17 Jordach PilzAdam, sfan5: play some more tomorrow? 20:17 Jordach moved ShadowNinja 20:18 Jordach anyways - im off to bed; if i were allowed to stay up later; i would 20:18 Jordach let's rampage some more servers (perhaps we should use mumble to our advantage) 20:19 Tiktalik why doesn't minetest have infinite worlds? 20:19 Exio4 because float limitations 20:19 Exio4 anyway i don't get why more 20:19 Exio4 32k is already a lot 20:20 Tiktalik minecraft also has float limitations 20:20 Tiktalik but you can go a lot farther 20:20 Exio4 engine problems, it could be reworked and so on for using floats in other way 20:21 Exio4 yet there isn't any point in doing that 20:21 Tiktalik servers 20:21 Exio4 the world is, in practice, already big 20:21 Exio4 Tiktalik: fly from 32000,0,32000 to 0,0,0 20:21 Exio4 tell me how many minutes it took 20:21 Exio4 :> 20:22 Tiktalik yeah, but 30 million is better 20:22 Tiktalik i mean 20:22 Tiktalik would you rather have 20:22 Tiktalik really big or infinite 20:22 Exio4 infinite is impossible and really big is not worth the trouble 20:22 Tiktalik really big is what you have 20:22 Exio4 yet, i don't *seriously* get it 20:22 Tiktalik infinite isn't really infinite 20:22 Tiktalik but big enough that you'll never explore far enough to get to the ends 20:23 Exio4 try to play in survival 20:23 Exio4 and walk from spawn to a corner of the world 20:23 Tiktalik you'll never be able to recreate the earth in minetest 20:23 Tiktalik not at 1:1500 anyway :( 20:26 Tiktalik Exio4: it's 32000 in every direction, right? 20:26 Exio4 yes 20:26 sfan5 Tiktalik: you won't be able to see the whole earth anyway 20:26 Exio4 +32 and -32 20:27 sfan5 and the world will probably be too big for any currently existing storage medium 20:27 Tiktalik sfan5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNbR_PIMJM 20:27 Tiktalik minecraft 20:27 Tiktalik 8 gb 20:27 Tiktalik also sfan5, I heard you had a new world format that was a lot smaller? 20:28 Exio4 Tiktalik: take it in this way: it is not worth it 20:28 sfan5 Tiktalik: I saw that on reddit when it was created 20:28 sfan5 a new world format? 20:28 sfan5 leveldb maybe 20:28 Tiktalik yeah, leveldb 20:28 Tiktalik instead of sqlite 20:29 Tiktalik Exio4: how hard would it actually be in practice 20:29 ShadowNinja Better yet is sophia, but we should implement libmtmap first. 20:30 Exio4 Tiktalik: take it as a rework of the coords 20:30 Exio4 because irrlicht uses float internally 20:30 ShadowNinja Tiktalik: Very, very, very hard. You would have to change a lot of code. 20:31 ShadowNinja I would like 32-bit, or even 64-bit coords. But the work required isn't worth it. 20:31 Tiktalik why not have an int for every 64000x64000x64000, with float as position inside? 20:31 Exio4 that is a rework 20:31 Exio4 of the coords, and why the fuck would someone do that? 20:32 Tiktalik hmph 20:32 Tiktalik sounds like I'm going to have to get off my lazy bum 20:32 ShadowNinja While we're at it, make it 1024-bit coords. :-) 20:32 Tiktalik and learn some goddamn c++ 20:35 thomasfuston lol 20:36 Tiktalik why wasn't it designed with 32 bit coords from the start though, Exio4? 20:36 Exio4 ask c55 20:36 PilzAdam for the same reason why it wasnt designed with 1241564545614545 bit coords 20:37 ShadowNinja Tiktalik: The aforementioned floats most likely, or 16-bit just seemed big enough. 20:37 sfan5 ShadowNinja: build a 4096-bit CPU (well... if we have one we could also just factor 2048 or 4096 bit RSA) 20:39 ShadowNinja ? 20:41 PilzAdam john_minetest, dunno, but nobody is playing anymore 20:41 ShadowNinja I beleive not. 20:41 PilzAdam we will play tomorrow again, I guess 20:58 jojoa1997 bas080 you there? 21:12 Peacock ugh, im either starting a cold or having allergies lol with the temperature up and down it's hard to tell 21:47 Peacock this mall turned out bigger than we thought https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=111074#p111074 21:47 Nolan_ kaeza are you there? 21:47 kaeza maybe 21:47 Peacock lol 21:47 Peacock kaeza: shoulda said "left ten minutes ago" :P 21:48 kaeza :D 21:49 kaeza Peacock, interesting fact: xban banned 10 more "players" using the same IPs as those assholes :D 21:49 Peacock BRs never learn lol 21:49 jojoa1997 bas080, YOU THERE 21:49 kaeza (and 3 or 4 more IPs too) 21:50 Peacock maybe we should figure out a way to to ban by geolocation 21:50 jojoa1997 lol tehn you go nextdoor and play 21:51 Peacock next door as in next country? 21:51 kaeza lol 21:51 kaeza GL;HF 21:52 Peacock though i do have one idea: makes a rules formspec popup on joinplayer 21:52 Peacock have 3 buttons, 21:52 Peacock accept, decline, and Portuguese version 21:52 Peacock decline and portuguese would both ban the player XD 21:55 Peacock another idea might be to give clients unique id's 21:57 Peacock thats something you could generate when you compile, not sure how'd you do it with prepackaged builds though 21:57 Peacock 1st run probably 22:00 Exio4 that sounds nice but easy to avoid/skip 22:00 Exio4 if there was a "login server" it would be easier, though.. 22:00 Peacock well, like when you require passwords, you could require the client have a unique id? 22:01 Peacock simpler then, why not have the option of using forum credentials? 22:01 Exio4 iirc there was some basic idea of doing that 22:01 Exio4 ask thexyz :P 22:02 Peacock he came up with that? nice, tho i thought he was all pro privacy/anonymity 22:02 Peacock leave server admins the option of running their own credentials, or use forum credentials 22:02 Peacock since the forum already verifies for bots and valid emails, its probably the best solution 22:06 Peacock i can always tell who's a griefer when i ask them to go on the forum to request protection - they don't want to "create" an account, tho i suspect they already have one lol 22:10 Exio4 banning per forum account would make random and casual griefers easy to ban 22:10 Exio4 (or more like, make them dissapear) 22:16 * PilzAdam would write "Lua" in that line 22:16 proller average size of... 22:16 proller and^ 22:20 Peacock what do you do when admins speak both english and french, and you have helpful german players? 22:21 Peacock might be easier to show little flags in the language column 22:23 Peacock no i mean little pictures of (national) flags :P 22:24 PilzAdam so for german you already need to put 3 national flags there 22:24 * john_minetest imagines that flag being used often then just for fun: http://aengusogecoschool.webs.com/FlagRainbow_xxl.png 22:24 Peacock well pick the most recognizable one :P 22:24 Peacock but if you have to put the language in text, theres not much room for more than one 22:25 Exio4 lol 22:26 Peacock still better cockney lol 22:27 proller admins can write it in description 22:27 proller or in name 22:27 Peacock though i guess for the german the essential part is to remember to pull out your spacebar :P 22:27 proller [FR] toad eaters 24/7 22:30 Peacock naw 22:30 Peacock it would be 22:30 Peacock [FR] now with /surrender 22:32 LAD Hi 22:33 LAD ...? 22:34 Peacock the kitchen is closed 22:34 LAD Oh? 22:35 LAD But there is no cooking in minetest just farming 22:36 Peacock a really well thought-out stovetop/oven would be cool yeah 22:36 LAD Hmm i could mabye code if i had the time 22:40 LAD ChanServ hi 22:40 LAD Oops 22:45 * LAD throughs kitten at nekogloop 22:53 Evergreen Hey sfan5, i applied your patch to openspades, but when it links the cxx executable, I get this error. http://pastie.org/private/lrklfatllkza5lnnexzcqq 23:01 thefamilygrog66 Howdy folks 23:01 thefamilygrog66 How can I tell which version of lua I'm running? 23:02 kaeza thefamilygrog66, print(_VERSION) 23:02 kaeza it will output something like "Lua 5.1" 23:02 thefamilygrog66 I've run into an issue with the 'goto' command 23:03 kaeza goto? O_o 23:03 thefamilygrog66 my hedge maze mod works fine on my laptop, but when I add it to my linux server, I get an error: 23:03 thefamilygrog66 unexpected symbol near ':' 23:03 Exio4 goto? where? 23:03 kaeza thefamilygrog66, I think goto was introduced in 5.2 23:03 thefamilygrog66 another line in the code 23:03 kaeza MT uses 5.1 23:03 thefamilygrog66 yes, kaeza that's what I read 23:03 thefamilygrog66 so why does it work on my windows laptop? 23:03 Exio4 are you using luajit 23:04 thefamilygrog66 I don't know 23:04 kaeza thefamilygrog66, LuaJit has some 5.2 features 23:04 kaeza (including goto and bitop) 23:05 thefamilygrog66 not to be mistaken with luakit? 23:05 kaeza nope 23:05 thefamilygrog66 that's really weird man. I'm pretty sure I didn't install luajit on my laptop 23:06 kaeza your minetest executable may have been compiled with LuaJit support 23:06 kaeza did you compile yourself? 23:06 thefamilygrog66 maybe the windows executable has it 23:06 thefamilygrog66 I compiled my linux one myself 23:07 kaeza in any case, you may want to restructure your code to avoid goto, or *require* your users to use Jit 23:07 thefamilygrog66 maybe I'll install luajit on my linux box 23:07 Exio4 using goto in a "super-high level" language doesn't look like the right thing 23:08 kaeza Exio4, goto is fine anywhere 23:08 proller Exio4, did you wrote something bigger than "hello world"? 23:08 Exio4 proller: yes 23:08 kaeza but when there's this kind of problem, it's best avoided 23:09 Exio4 imo in mid-level to below goto is one of the most useful constructors, when you have super-cute interfaces it becomes a pain to use 23:09 Exio4 mainly because it is "less supported" than other things like subclassing or things like that 23:09 NekoGloop I need kitteh biscuits. 23:11 thefamilygrog66 I guess I kinda figured if it worked in one case, it would with all of 'em 23:12 thefamilygrog66 bottom line is it IS supported by 5.2+ 23:12 thefamilygrog66 that's the reason I used it, since I was translating an old BASIC program 23:14 NekoGloop So why don't we update MT to 5.2 by default already? :P 23:14 Exio4 because api changes and it could break stuff? 23:14 thefamilygrog66 it works in windows apparently 23:14 Peacock so business as usual lol 23:15 NekoGloop Don't we break enough things as is? 23:15 thefamilygrog66 yes 23:15 Peacock moar! lol 23:16 * thefamilygrog66 throws shit around and generally breaks things 23:19 thefamilygrog66 installed luajit, and it made no difference 23:19 VanessaE you have to compile mt to use it. 23:19 thefamilygrog66 great! 23:20 thefamilygrog66 anything special I need to do when compiling? 23:20 * NekoGloop throws a kitty biscuit at VanessaE 23:20 Peacock pray 23:20 thefamilygrog66 /me believes in nothing 23:20 thefamilygrog66 haha 23:21 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: nope. just make sure when you do the cmake step that it says it found luajit. 23:21 thefamilygrog66 groovy, thanks V 23:21 Peacock MT: Y U NO bundle jit 23:21 thefamilygrog66 gives 'em the jitters 23:21 NekoGloop because lisencing 23:22 thefamilygrog66 it's bundled in the freakin' windows version! 23:22 NekoGloop loophole. 23:22 thefamilygrog66 unless the windows version uses lua 5.2 23:22 thefamilygrog66 wormhole 23:23 Peacock for the small % of people using linux, there sure are a shitload of opensource/copyleft licenses to chose from lol 23:23 NekoGloop loopworm 23:23 thefamilygrog66 tapeworm 23:23 NekoGloop worm tape. 23:23 * Peacock eagerly awaits RMSv4 license 23:23 thefamilygrog66 so I suppose I should add a disclaimer to my hedge maze mod, ffs 23:24 * NekoGloop noms Peacock's head 23:24 thefamilygrog66 or try to figure out how to rewrite it without goto commands 23:24 Peacock RMSv4 will have a clause where you can only use GPL toilet paper 23:25 Peacock can you substitute with functions? 23:26 Peacock ugh, just had a thought about GPL toilet paper: if you use it, you must share it lol 23:26 thefamilygrog66 probably, but I'm a lazy bastard 23:26 Peacock me too lol 23:27 thefamilygrog66 when I started programming back in the early '80s, they promised me goto statements 23:27 thefamilygrog66 hahaha 23:27 NekoGloop you're expecting lua to be coded correctly 23:27 Peacock but then the gov't said there was no more money for goto statements 23:27 thefamilygrog66 no, I'm expecting minetest to use a recent version of lua 23:28 Peacock i made that complaint myself when i wanted to use bitwise operators 23:28 Peacock after that they added JIT which has them 23:29 Peacock ideally 5.2 or default and bundle JIT 23:30 Peacock its a real pisser to use features that are present in one but not the other 23:30 VanessaE minetest uses 5.1 or LuaJIT depending on which you're using. 23:30 thefamilygrog66 LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua. 23:31 thefamilygrog66 goddammit 23:31 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: maybe you need a -dev package 23:31 thefamilygrog66 I need a freakin beer 23:31 Exio4 you need a bear 23:31 NekoGloop You need a cocaine bear 23:32 * Peacock hands a beer 23:32 thefamilygrog66 not into cocaine, nor bears 23:32 thefamilygrog66 thanks chief 23:32 Peacock http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/175/b/9/magua_from___the_last_of_the_mohicans___by_s3lwyn-d54ni35.jpg 23:32 thefamilygrog66 I'm going out shortly to play a gig. There will be beers 23:33 Peacock i always need beer when it comes to MT/linux stuff 23:33 Peacock There's a reason Hans Reiser went nuts and whacked his wife :P 23:33 NekoGloop That's the only way the design choices make sense, Peacock. 23:34 thefamilygrog66 why you no find luajit library, mt? 23:35 Peacock i had that problem on debian 23:35 Peacock i finally downloaded the package from a newer repo and installed that system-wide 23:36 Peacock this is for winows? 23:36 Peacock *windows 23:36 thefamilygrog66 nah, stupuntu 23:36 Peacock how did you get/install jit? 23:37 thefamilygrog66 ubuntu software centre 23:37 Peacock and do you have libluajit-dev? 23:37 Peacock (or something to that effect with -dev at the end) 23:37 thefamilygrog66 I don't know 23:37 Peacock got synaptic? 23:37 thefamilygrog66 LuaJIT 2.0.0-beta9 23:37 thefamilygrog66 that's all she wrote 23:37 Peacock try this in term 23:38 Peacock sudo apt-get install libluajit-5.1-dev 23:38 Peacock (i could write a book "The Joys of Linux and Fine Wine") :P 23:38 thefamilygrog66 haha 23:38 thefamilygrog66 it's installing it 23:39 Peacock try recompiling after that, it should find jit 23:39 Peacock if it doesn't, try a sledgehammer :P 23:39 thefamilygrog66 hey it found luajit this time 23:40 thefamilygrog66 thanks! 23:40 Peacock thought so, i was in the exact same bind last time lol 23:40 Peacock np :P 23:40 thefamilygrog66 compiling right now 23:40 thefamilygrog66 I guess I should get ready for my gig 23:40 thefamilygrog66 hmm 23:41 VanessaE have fun 23:41 Peacock more beer? 23:41 thefamilygrog66 once I'm there yes 23:41 thefamilygrog66 thanks V 23:41 Peacock haha lol nice 23:41 thefamilygrog66 rock 'n' roll 23:41 Peacock in a bar i once asked for a quadruple rum and coke, there was barely any coke in the glass :S 23:41 thefamilygrog66 we're called Thee Lost Cause 23:42 Peacock Thee, christian rock? 23:42 thefamilygrog66 4 guys in their late 30s/early 40s playing '60s garage punk 23:42 Peacock nb 23:42 thefamilygrog66 yes, we're very holy 23:42 Peacock lol 23:42 thefamilygrog66 haha 23:43 thefamilygrog66 nah, there are a tonne of bands with the same name, so I added THEE to differentiate us a bit 23:43 thefamilygrog66 stupid bands and their names 23:43 Peacock im very holy too, last time i took catechism, i gave my name as Jesus Christ, was kicked out for the rest of the year lol 23:43 thefamilygrog66 it's pronounced "HAY-zoos" 23:44 Peacock Ohh i thought Thee was a typo lol 23:44 thefamilygrog66 done compiling, let's try this again 23:47 thefamilygrog66 damn 23:47 Peacock it verks? 23:47 NekoGloop it twerks? 23:48 thefamilygrog66 it's shaking its ass at me, but it's not working 23:48 thefamilygrog66 oh well, I'll try this again later 23:48 khonkhortisan it uses its it's correctly 23:48 NekoGloop it twerks! 23:48 Peacock verks = german, twerks = american lol 23:49 Peacock one pays, the other costs you :P 23:49 thefamilygrog66 back later folks - thanks again for the info 23:50 Peacock have fun 23:51 Peacock hmm, its rapidly becoming obvious i dont have enough nodes to fill the mall with 23:56 VanessaE you? not having enough nodes? HAH! 23:56 Peacock 2/4 wings should cover it, and i have 3 more floors lol