Time Nick Message 00:00 Inocudom I didn't know that cisoun was still here. Too bad he left. 00:01 [0gb_us] That would be interesting to know. Most probably just look up the license online though. 00:01 kaeza http://wiki.minetest.net/Creating_texture_packs 00:02 AWTom http://wiki.minetest.net/Texture_Packs#Texture_Pack_Creation 00:03 kaeza more is a bit more in-depth :P 00:04 kaeza (and linked from the tutorials page) 00:05 ShadowNinja kaeza: Not anymore. Add your tutorial to the texture packs page (And remove the shell code?) 00:10 kaeza ShadowNinja, feel free to improve it :) 00:24 ShadowNinja kaeza: Anything to add? http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Texture_Packs#Texture_Pack_Creation 00:26 kaeza looks good 00:27 AWTom Wouldn't this be a better link to default textures? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tree/master/mods/default/textures 00:28 AWTom also, http://paint.net/ is not where the paint.net software is hosted 00:28 kaeza getpaint.net 00:29 * kaeza uses ASEprite :P 00:29 VanessaE ShadowNinja: you forgot to mention how texture packs can be placed in ~/.minetest/textures and just referenced with the in-game selection screen 00:30 [0gb_us] That's not quite available officially yet. 00:30 [0gb_us] I'd hold off on adding that until the stable version to avoid confusion. 00:33 VanessaE I suppose 00:34 kaeza as if there weren't enough confusion yet :P 00:34 * kaeza pokes the Ubuntu people to update from 0.3.1 to 0.4.7 00:35 Pelayo kaeza, you can always add the ppa 00:35 kaeza Pelayo, still, some people only know about software center 00:35 [0gb_us] I know, right? Though I think it's the Debian people that need to update, Ubuntu updates off of Debian. 00:37 AWTom I think that there should be a separation between the game engine features and the default game features in the wiki 00:37 [0gb_us] Yes, definitely. 00:38 Pelayo well, I've been playing with it for two days and touching some things.. and I'm still confused 00:38 AWTom http://wiki.minetest.net/Blocks This page might be confusing to a newcomer 00:38 [0gb_us] Great, I broke my package manager. 00:40 Evergreen kaeza: I can't seem to get ASEprite to compile for me. :S 00:41 kaeza huh 00:42 AWTom https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4000 this seems ridiculous 00:48 Evergreen kaeza, I'm trying to get it to compile again, and it is working so far 00:51 Evergreen Wait, I think I remember what the problem was. I tried to run the executable, but it wouldn't work. (IIRC) 00:51 Exio4 [0gb_us]: debian sid is updated 00:52 [0gb_us] Exio4, I'm the one trying to migrate to Trisquel, not the one trying to migrate to Debian. 00:52 Exio4 [21:35:34] <[0gb_us]> I know, right? Though I think it's the Debian people that need to update, Ubuntu updates off of Debian. 00:52 Evergreen I was wondering, could you build a preatty good computer for ~600$? 00:53 Evergreen (excluding mouse, keyboard, etc 00:53 Exio4 Evergreen: depends, where do you live 00:53 Evergreen US 00:53 Exio4 you could build a better PC than mine with 500USD :P 00:54 Exio4 and mine was 800USD (here) without the screen! 00:54 [0gb_us] OH! Sorry, I was on the wrong topic then. That's great that Debian updated its copy of Minetest! 00:55 Evergreen I'm pretty sure I could build a better computer than the one I have already. I got it for 190 dollars, and it has 3GB of ram, an 80gb hard drive (plus a 1TB external drive), and an intel centrino duo 00:56 Evergreen I'm not sure what it is clocked at 00:57 AWTom If you're making a new build, try the AMD A10, best on-die graphics out there afaik 01:00 Evergreen Yay, it works, thanks kaeza 01:00 kaeza nice :) 01:00 Evergreen (aseprite that is 01:01 Exio4 AWTom: or my IGP, the worse dedicated gpu! 01:01 Exio4 err 01:01 Exio4 my GT610 01:01 Pelayo hell yeah 01:02 Pelayo this is me doing a script: http://i.imgur.com/xVyoSl.jpg 01:02 Pelayo but it works! finally! 01:02 Pelayo :P 01:11 Guest80972 hello everyone 01:11 kaeza hai 01:12 Guest80972 how do i change my username here 01:13 VanessaE Guest80972: /nick something 01:14 Guest80972 is there a program i can use that will make a minetest map into rock and water 01:14 VanessaE not directly, but soon minetest will natively have that ability 01:14 VanessaE (it already does in development builds but there are as yet no mods I know of that will do this) 01:15 Chinchow My Mapgen v7 does that as it's not finished 01:15 VanessaE you could just alias dirt, grass, etc. into stone 01:15 Guest80972 than can i change something in the minetest program 01:15 Guest80972 how do i do that 01:15 VanessaE you don't change anything in the engine - you write a mod instead. a mod is a piece of Lua code, perhaps some textures, that tells the engine to do stuff 01:16 Guest80972 yea i dont know how to write a mod 01:17 VanessaE it's not hard to learn 01:17 VanessaE google for "lua tutorial" and learn this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 01:17 VanessaE lua_api.txt describes how to interface with the engine 01:18 Guest80972 ok 01:18 Pelayo mmm, btw, the texture pack selector says "no information available".. what files does it search for? 01:18 VanessaE Pelayo: it looks for info.txt 01:18 VanessaE in the texture pack's folder 01:19 VanessaE and screenshot.png 01:19 Pelayo ah, really intuitive :P 01:19 Pelayo thansk 01:19 Pelayo thanks 01:19 VanessaE sure 01:24 AWTom Is string useless in the default mod? 01:24 Exio4 you can craft wool, iirc 01:25 AWTom where in the minetest directory do I run make? 01:27 VanessaE at the top level 01:27 VanessaE be sure you do the cmake step first of course 01:27 VanessaE cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 ; make -j4 01:28 [0gb_us] I'm'a reboot and see what happens to my laptop. See you in a bit! 01:28 VanessaE (or =0 ) 01:28 VanessaE (if you want a system-wide install) 01:28 AWTom Thanks. What does -j4 do? 01:28 VanessaE uses 4 threads while compiling 01:29 AWTom interesting 01:29 VanessaE makes it compile faster 01:29 AWTom CMake Error at src/CMakeLists.txt:80 (message): Sound enabled, but cannot be used. 01:29 VanessaE (I assume you have multiple cores) 01:29 AWTom I have exactly 4 01:30 VanessaE ok, you need to install openal and/or vorbis 01:30 VanessaE sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev 01:30 VanessaE (that'll grab everything you need) 01:30 PilzAdam no! dont get Element in IRC... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=110859#p110859 01:31 AWTom Just a question... is everything you're telling me in a list somewhere? 01:31 VanessaE AWTom: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L83 01:31 VanessaE there. :) 01:31 AWTom FACEPALM 01:32 VanessaE haha 01:32 VanessaE rtfm? :) 01:33 AWTom ;_; 01:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: you don't have to talk to him you know. 01:35 PilzAdam but its hard to read actual useful messages between all the wall of spam that these people tend to produce 01:35 Pelayo there is a nice command... /ignore 01:36 kaeza PilzAdam, quit being a dickhead maybe? 01:36 VanessaE /kick PilzAdam don't be a dick 01:36 VanessaE :P 01:39 Guest99339 It seems I killed my system now. It won't load past the splash screen, ha ha. 01:40 VanessaE heh, oops :) 01:40 _0gb_us I don't even have my NickServ password on this other system, as you see. 01:41 VanessaE wait, you b0rk3d your OS? ouch 01:41 _0gb_us I seem to have, yes. 01:41 _0gb_us Ha ha. 01:41 _0gb_us I knew it was a risky operation. I knew what I was possibly getting into. 01:42 AWTom Element is a genius 01:42 _0gb_us How so? 01:42 VanessaE time to grab your handy ubuntu install thumdrive :) 01:42 VanessaE thumb* 01:43 AWTom his profile points to a facebook address linked to an AOL e-mail 01:43 _0gb_us I have it on a DVD, but yeah. Easy fix. Then install KeePassX, grab my backup from yesterday, and I should be back in business. 01:43 VanessaE DVD? what' 01:44 _0gb_us I don't get how that's genius .... 01:44 VanessaE DVD? what's that? Oh right. those little plastic discs.... 01:44 VanessaE :D 01:44 _0gb_us A live DVD. It wouldn't fit on a CD, and I couldn't lose the files on my flash drive. 01:45 AWTom so... get more flash drives? 01:45 _0gb_us Hmm. Now that's a though. 01:45 _0gb_us I probably should .... 01:45 AWTom _that_ is genius 01:45 PilzAdam bye 01:45 Chinchow @AWTom sarcasm? 01:45 _0gb_us *thought 01:46 AWTom Chinchow: I'm not sure 01:46 _0gb_us The other system still says it's loading ... I'd love to know what it's doing. 01:46 _0gb_us And why it's failing. 01:46 Chinchow I mean are you being sarcastic? 01:47 AWTom so... get more flash drives? that was sarcastic 01:47 VanessaE _0gb_us: probably kernel-panicked, or sitting at a singleuser prompt hidden behind a broken console driver 01:47 Chinchow No the aol,Element comment. 01:47 AWTom try operating it headless 01:48 _0gb_us I don't have a way to log in headleass, but I'll see what I can do from tty1. 01:48 VanessaE ssh in? 01:49 _0gb_us There's no ssh server set up on the machine though. 01:49 VanessaE damn. 01:49 _0gb_us Login sucessful, and quick, from tty1. 01:49 VanessaE oh good 01:49 _0gb_us Yeah, my server has ssh access, but not so much on the laptop. 01:49 _0gb_us I 01:50 _0gb_us I'm in, but I have no idea what to do from here. 01:50 _0gb_us sudo killall x-server? 01:50 Pelayo dmesg for example 01:50 VanessaE run off a quick backup and re-install :P 01:50 AWTom_ I wonder what happened 01:50 _0gb_us I already have my backup, I took it before I started, ha ha. 01:51 AWTom_ Chinchow: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=6059 01:51 Pelayo ugh.. 01:51 _0gb_us dmesg has way too much output for me to use. 01:52 Pelayo I rotated MC's torch texture 01:52 Pelayo it looks awful.. 01:52 VanessaE mine are better :P 01:52 kaeza ^ SPAM 01:53 Pelayo http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9067/1rv2.png 01:53 * VanessaE looks at kaeza 01:53 Pelayo at least the grass looks a little better.. but torches are really bad 01:53 VanessaE Pelayo: ew. 01:53 ShadowNinja _0gb_us: killall X && startx? 01:54 Pelayo might need manual editing after all :/ 01:54 _0gb_us It says no x or x-server processes can be found. 01:54 Pelayo tried rotating them in different angles and all of them look pretty bad 01:54 ShadowNinja (Or your your login manager, like gdm, as root) 01:54 VanessaE Pelayo: just use a really high resolution texture instead 01:54 Pelayo nah, I'm trying to make a generic script for converting resource packs 01:54 kaeza _0gb_us, capital X? 01:54 _0gb_us Yeah, I was using sudo. I'll try gdm. 01:54 VanessaE since MC's torches are meant to look smooth along the diagonals, you have to use a high rez texture for the rotated ones. 01:54 ShadowNinja _0gb_us: Make sure it is capital, and if it isn't running just start it. 01:54 ShadowNinja _0gb_us: Distro? 01:55 VanessaE s/ones/one/ 01:55 _0gb_us I tried lower case x, but capital X isn't found either. 01:55 _0gb_us It is running, I can see it in "tty7". 01:55 * ShadowNinja has it on tty1. :-) 01:55 _0gb_us No gdm found either. 01:56 ShadowNinja _0gb_us: Distro? It might be lightdm, or lxdm, or kdm... 01:56 Pelayo gdm? if you are on a recent ubuntu or mint it's lightdm or mdm 01:56 _0gb_us tty7 seems to be the default, it always ends up there for me. 01:56 VanessaE Pelayo: using imagemagick in your script, you could scale the on-floor texture up to say, 256px, rotate it, scale and crop the result back to 256, and save that one image out 01:56 _0gb_us Lightdm sounds right ... I'll try that. 01:56 Pelayo I was using imagemagick so I'll try that 01:56 _0gb_us No process found. 01:57 kaeza _0gb_us, ps -A | grep X 01:57 ShadowNinja _0gb_us: Distro? KDE? Unity? Gnome2? 3? 01:57 VanessaE Pelayo: just be sure for the initial 16->256px scale step, you use nearest neighbor or 'none' or whatever IM calls it. 01:58 Pelayo thanks, I'm a newbie with imagemagick 01:59 _0gb_us ShadowNinja: Xubuntu / Trisquel / somewhere in between. 02:00 _0gb_us kaeza: No output. 02:00 AWTom For minetest.conf on the wiki, should I link to https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/defaultsettings.cpp or https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example? 02:00 VanessaE _0gb_us: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log 02:01 VanessaE see if there's an error there near the end 02:01 VanessaE e.g. no screens found or so 02:01 VanessaE AWTom: the second one. 02:02 VanessaE just be sure you indicate very clearly that the file must be named minetest.conf (without the .example part). 02:02 VanessaE lots of people miss that. 02:03 _0gb_us VanessaE: At the end, no errors. "Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file." 02:03 VanessaE hrm, well scan back upwards a bit 02:05 _0gb_us I don't see anything that looks like an error. 02:05 Pelayo -_- I hate biomes, I don't understand how the color is applied... 02:05 _0gb_us What color? 02:05 AWTom is there a way to search the wiki for red links? 02:05 VanessaE _0gb_us: I think he means things like wild grass 02:06 Pelayo grass and some vegetation in MC 02:06 VanessaE which can change color depending on the biome its in 02:06 VanessaE Pelayo: in those cases, just pick a good color and apply that always 02:06 VanessaE MT doesn't have color-changing textures of that nature 02:08 Pelayo it's a problem, I thought I had choosen the right color (it's taken from MC's or the resource pack's biome gradient, from the exact pixel I read, 128,128) and then reducing gamma to 0,4 02:08 Pelayo that works mostly fine for mc's default textures but not for others.. 02:09 Pelayo maybe I should ignore that gradient and use grass block top side border as color reference, so it at least fits 02:10 VanessaE that should work 02:15 Pelayo nah, but I'll do it tomorrow, I did enough today :P 02:15 AWTom what is the difference between the minetest.com wiki and the minetest.net wiki? 02:18 VanessaE the .com one is outdated and not official, I guess 02:18 VanessaE the .net one is the 'real' one. 02:18 AWTom ;_; 02:18 AWTom I might possibly have been linking to the .com one 02:24 AWTom I undid that 02:38 AWTom Does anyone know how to fix http://wiki.minetest.net/Apple ? 02:45 VanessaE change {{Heart | 0.5}} into a proper link 02:45 VanessaE [[xxxx|0.5]] for whatever pacge xxxx it needs to point to 02:45 VanessaE page* 02:46 VanessaE or just write 0.5 without linking anywhere since there is no "heart" or "health" page. 02:47 AWTom How does {{Heart | 0.5}} work? Where is the code making that happen? 02:47 VanessaE nono, not {{ }}, but [[ ]] 02:47 VanessaE {{ }} normally point to special Wiki functions 02:47 AWTom how does it display a half_heart.png? 02:47 VanessaE [[ ]] point to other pages 02:47 VanessaE idk 02:47 AWTom hm 02:48 VanessaE oh I see what you mean 02:49 AWTom it looks like it's working, but not correctly 02:49 VanessaE seems to be doing that on all pages 02:49 VanessaE so it's a Wiki bug then 02:49 AWTom found the template http://wiki.minetest.net/Template:Heart 02:50 * VanessaE reads the template 03:02 VanessaE I just don't see anything wrong with the template. must be a bug in the wiki code somewhere. 03:08 AWTom Why sleep if clouds are disabled?: if (m_clouds_enabled){ cloudPostProcess(); } else { sleep_ms(25); } 03:09 VanessaE that's probably for the main menu 03:10 VanessaE no point in rendering something that isn't there :P 03:11 AWTom Why not just nop> 03:13 * VanessaE shrugs 03:16 AWTom I found a comment about not using something because of wine, and another sleep_ms(25) related to menu cloud rendering 03:17 VanessaE the delay is there to limit the fps of the main menu clouds 03:17 VanessaE but idk how the OS/CPU actually handle sleep() calls 03:17 AWTom seems odd to have a hardcoded delay 03:18 Peacock wheres the old give initial stuff mod? 03:18 VanessaE in minetest_game/mods 03:19 AWTom I'm finding a lot of repeated code 03:21 Peacock thanks V 03:21 * VanessaE pokes kahrl 03:21 VanessaE er 03:21 * VanessaE pokes kaeza too 03:21 kaeza hai 03:28 AWTom I played with the source, and make failed with nothing but "Error 2" 03:29 VanessaE oops :) 03:29 AWTom I was expecting an error, but with some sort of information ;_; 03:30 _0gb_us Two is information. It's the number of mistakes you made. Now go find them! 03:31 AWTom Is the Minetest source a good one to learn from, in terms of formatting and structure? 03:32 _0gb_us I'm told it's messy code, Minetest. 03:32 VanessaE well both are rather well-enforced these days 03:32 VanessaE though I suppose old parts of the code is not 03:32 VanessaE are not* 03:32 _0gb_us "Both"? Both what? 03:33 VanessaE the formatting and the overall structure 03:33 _0gb_us Okay, got it. 03:37 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Weather: Clean up getHeat/getHumidity somewhat 9bccd75e34 2013-09-16T20:33:53-07:00 http://git.io/ORZYaQ 03:53 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix some warnings and other minor details c0398224ef 2013-09-16T20:52:42-07:00 http://git.io/Dsne1Q 04:15 thefamilygrog66 howdy 04:15 VanessaE hi 04:16 AWTom Does anyone know of a small, well-formed and written project that I can read for learning purposes? 04:16 thefamilygrog66 99x99 all-cloud maze: http://i.imgur.com/sYySUrU.jpg 04:17 VanessaE nice 04:17 thefamilygrog66 thanks! another angle: http://i.imgur.com/04Ox3n1.png 04:18 AWTom I followed that with my cursor, keeping to the right. It didn't take as long as I thought to get out 04:18 thefamilygrog66 yep, some are easier than others - all randomly generated 04:20 thefamilygrog66 3-storey 67x67 maze building: 1st floor sandstonebrick walls/desert stone floor, 2nd floor glass walls/obsidian floor, 3rd floor tree walls, junglewood floor 04:20 thefamilygrog66 http://i.imgur.com/UtSMN9W.jpg 04:20 thefamilygrog66 roof shot: http://i.imgur.com/tLN5WL8.jpg 04:21 VanessaE wow 04:22 thefamilygrog66 it generates them really quickly, and I made an interface so the player can just type in wall and floor materials and side length and bam, hit it and instant custom hedge maze 04:22 thefamilygrog66 any size from 3 - 99 04:33 AWTom What do you guys think about Irrlicht? 04:35 VanessaE careful with that question 04:35 VanessaE you're apt to get rather...explosive results :) 04:35 VanessaE some here think irrlicht is good, others have advocated for a move to OGRE, some suggest going with pure OpenGL.. 04:36 AWTom pure OpenGL sounds like a big move to me 04:41 AWTom good night, all 04:44 VanessaE night 04:45 Smelly Hello all, is anyone having trouble loging into servers right now? 04:45 VanessaE nope 04:45 Smelly Odd, I cant seem to join any 04:46 Smelly just says connecting 04:46 Smelly Oh wait, I was able to get into one 04:46 Smelly Now to just get back in my main one I play on 04:48 Smelly Is anyone on here from landrush server? 04:49 VanessaE nope :) 04:49 kaeza I'm from Uruguay if that matters :P 04:49 VanessaE actually, it's quite busy... http://minetest.net/servers 04:49 Smelly Well I know your not VanessaE lol yea I see some names in here who where on 04:49 Smelly Must be to focused on their game to look at IRC 04:49 Smelly happens to the best of us 04:50 VanessaE most of the names you see right now are people who are either asleep, at work, or just busy 04:51 Smelly Yeap :) 04:51 Smelly So what are you up two these days? 04:51 kaeza welcome to IRC: the realtime chat where nothing happens :) 04:51 Smelly Indeed 04:51 Smelly lol 04:52 VanessaE just reading random stuff 04:52 Smelly Exciting lol 04:55 Pelayo meh, some support channels are awful... :/ 04:55 Smelly Ever go into minecraft IRC 04:55 Smelly I feel like we are two teams against each other in world series 04:56 VanessaE don't waste your time there. 04:56 Pelayo well, that's common when there are forked or somewhat related projects 04:56 VanessaE apparently they have a high incidence of banning people who are associated with minetest, without reason 04:57 Smelly Because their dumb 04:57 VanessaE they're* 04:57 Pelayo that happens too in the ubuntu channel if you mention you need help with mint (that's basically ubuntu with another default desktop) 04:57 VanessaE and I doubt "dumb" is the right word. 04:57 Smelly Oh a grammer Nazi lol 04:57 Pelayo or with ubuntu users asking in the debian channel.. 04:57 Pelayo etc 04:57 Smelly I think dumb is universal term 04:58 Smelly What word would you use? 04:58 VanessaE not sure 04:58 VanessaE immature perhaps 04:59 Smelly Maybe 04:59 Smelly I just hate when people ban anywhere for no reason. 04:59 Smelly Then you have the ones who abuse the power lol 05:00 Pelayo well, I got yelled by a programmer for just a question... 05:00 kaeza Minetest is a free alternative (speaking of "free as in gratis, $0" here) 05:00 kaeza that's not good for business in their terms 05:00 Pelayo not banned, but felt worse because it was completely out of place 05:00 VanessaE Pelayo: likely something they feel you should have looked up via a search engine 05:00 Smelly Don't sweat it someone people just don't know how to be human. 05:01 Smelly some* 05:02 Smelly Gah, I'm so cold 05:02 Smelly Vanessa Hold me 05:02 Smelly lol 05:02 VanessaE no. 05:02 Smelly But what if I die 05:02 Smelly lol 05:02 kaeza Pelayo, this is interesting reading on that topic: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 05:03 Pelayo VanessaE, I don't think that was the case, I read later that programmer has a serious fixation with that topic on his program 05:03 VanessaE ohh 05:03 Smelly In other words you hit a nerve 05:03 Pelayo yup 05:03 Smelly Smooth 05:03 Smelly lol 05:04 Smelly Okay this is insane I am freezeing brb I need a blanket 05:04 Pelayo I tried to ask that politely, but it looks like lots of people weren't, so he might have thought I was going to bitch about that 05:05 VanessaE ah 05:05 Smelly back 05:05 VanessaE well sometimes you just can't approach a person without pissing them off 05:06 VanessaE I've known people whose very proximity was enough to piss them off. 05:06 Pelayo specially if that person is Phil Fish :P 05:06 VanessaE *checks wikipedia* 05:06 Smelly Where do I no that name 05:06 VanessaE hm, not familiar. 05:06 VanessaE Smelly: know* 05:06 Pelayo Fez designer (the game, not the hats) 05:07 Smelly Wait 05:07 Smelly Vanessa 05:07 VanessaE please use at least somewhat-proper english 05:07 Smelly Really 05:07 Smelly lol 05:07 Smelly I am 05:07 Smelly It's a chat box 05:07 Smelly No one types perfect 05:07 Smelly its all emoticons and what not 05:07 VanessaE there's a big difference between your/you're, and especially no/know 05:08 VanessaE :) 05:08 VanessaE sorry, that's a pet-peeve of mine. 05:08 Smelly I know that 05:08 Smelly Ah 05:08 Smelly I understand 05:08 VanessaE were/where/we're, your/you're, there/their/they're, know/no, etc. 05:09 VanessaE so there. :P 05:09 Pelayo well, my english is just average (I'm from Spain) but some of those "typos" make my eyes bleed 05:09 VanessaE lol 05:10 Smelly I understand, I just believe something else 05:10 Smelly That's what makes us all different 05:10 Smelly lol 05:10 VanessaE there's nothing to believe - this is basic English 101 stuff here :) 05:10 VanessaE ok, the grammar lesson is over for now :P 05:10 Smelly Good 05:10 Smelly lol 05:11 Smelly Anyhoo 05:11 VanessaE meanwhile, poor martin here keeps being told to die because kaeza hates him :D 05:11 kaeza D: 05:11 Smelly D: 05:11 Smelly I still cant seem to log in 05:11 Smelly This is insane 05:11 Pelayo I don't get this... 05:12 VanessaE Smelly: probably a poor internet connection? minetest isn't very tolerant of bad connections. 05:13 Smelly Thats the thing, I can get into other servers 05:13 Smelly and I am running full bars 05:13 VanessaE I mean upstream from your modem 05:13 VanessaE though kaeza can sure attest to the problems of glitchy wireless :) 05:14 Pelayo if I set "my file.zip" as $INPUTFILE in my script, and unzip "$INPUTFILE" 05:14 kaeza hrm 05:14 Pelayo unzip gets my file.zip, so it fails because it doesn't like filenames with spaces 05:14 Smelly Oh it runs very fast about 70 when I last checked 05:14 Pelayo it tries to unzip "my" 05:14 VanessaE Pelayo: unzip "$INPUTFILE" 05:14 VanessaE with the quotes around the variable. 05:15 Smelly Ah 05:15 VanessaE oh wait 05:15 Pelayo yep, did that :/ 05:15 Smelly Its loading 05:15 VanessaE I'm blind, I swear. 05:15 kaeza Pelayo, if a zip program does not like spaces in names, get a better one 05:15 kaeza no spaces in filenames are so DOS-era :P 05:15 Pelayo kaeza, it's a script I plan to redistribute when it's finished and working fine, so I have to use the standard unzip command included in all distros 05:15 Smelly Okay I am in 05:15 kaeza (actually before, but whatever) 05:16 Smelly I am going finish my home 05:16 Smelly Thanks for the chat 05:16 VanessaE Pelayo: in that case you'll have to rename the file first.. 05:16 VanessaE (odd, I could swear I've used `unzip` on filenames with spaces before) 05:16 VanessaE night, Smelly 05:16 kaeza Pelayo, any chance of pastebinning (yes, it's a verb) the code? 05:17 Pelayo nah, it's really ugly and embarrassing, with lots of commented lines 05:18 VanessaE can't be any worse than some of the q&d stuff I've made 05:18 kaeza q&d? 05:18 Pelayo I think I'll make a copy with no spaces in the temp dir and work with that, that's a good idea, and simple 05:19 VanessaE quick & dirty 05:19 kaeza maybe the shell/interpreter is splitting the arguments wrongly then 05:19 kaeza VanessaE, ah :P 05:19 VanessaE export IFS="" then 05:19 VanessaE that'll stop the word splitting 05:20 VanessaE I use that when I wanna force-read a file with a list of unquoted filenames 05:20 VanessaE (such as is returned by `find`) 05:21 VanessaE ifstmp=$IFS; export IFS="" ; for i in `cat somefile.txt`; do some crap here; done; export IFS=$ifxtmp 05:21 VanessaE $ifstmp 05:27 Pelayo brb 05:32 Pelayo it's strange, I get about the same fps in minecraft and minetest in my netbook 05:32 Pelayo but minecraft's framerate feels more choppy and minetest one feels more or less balanced 06:03 sfan5 !op 06:03 sfan5 !deop 06:03 * sfan5 meows 06:14 kaeza mornings sfan 06:20 VanessaE good morning sfa 06:20 VanessaE oops 06:21 VanessaE note to self: if tab-complete fails, the person probably signed off. try checking for this *before* pressing enter. 06:21 VanessaE good morning, sfan5. 06:21 sfan5 good morning 06:23 VanessaE sfan5: did you ever get any further with your experiments in getting mt to run on Android? 06:24 VanessaE (what I last saw was of the nature, "everything compiles, but it doesn't work") 06:27 sfan5 VanessaE: no 06:27 sfan5 it compiled but doesn't work 06:27 sfan5 compiles* 06:27 VanessaE too bad. well, just thought I'd ask. I got as far as "it runs on my PC and I can view it through VNC, but I can't do diddly shit with it". :) 06:28 sfan5 heh 06:28 sfan5 the problem is that you probably _need_ to involve java if you want to get Irrlicht running 06:29 VanessaE that's what I gathered. 06:29 sfan5 it may be possible though 06:30 VanessaE what chance is there of an .apk for it? what I last saw suggested that would be Hard (with a capital H) 06:30 sfan5 small chance 06:30 sfan5 but well 06:30 VanessaE small is better than zero :) 06:31 sfan5 I currently have an android version of minetest compiled 06:31 sfan5 but i didn't test it yet because it (probably) requires a launcher app 06:31 VanessaE I'd be happy to give it a shot sometime. 06:32 sfan5 let me see if I still have the compiled version somewhere 06:32 VanessaE (Xelio A1001-BK, or something like that. 512MB/4GB, Runs Jellybean. decent tablet as long as the browser doesn't hog all the RAM) 06:32 sfan5 yep 06:32 sfan5 wow 06:32 sfan5 install linux on that tablet and then you can play MT :P 06:32 VanessaE yeah right 06:33 VanessaE I still haven't figured out how to root it yet :) 06:33 sfan5 !g root Xelio A1001-BK 06:33 MinetestBot sfan5: No results found for 'root Xelio A1001-BK'. 06:33 VanessaE (it's too new, no one's done it yet) 06:33 sfan5 no,no 06:33 VanessaE excuse me, P1001A-BK 06:34 sfan5 hm 06:35 VanessaE hm, it's described as "easily rooted" in one of the reviews, "rk29 root tool kit" is the effective solution... 06:35 sfan5 !g rk29 root toolkit 06:35 MinetestBot sfan5: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1967699 06:36 VanessaE cheater. I'd have googled it myself :) 06:36 sfan5 that seems trustable 06:37 VanessaE hm, mine came with busybox already (either that or the terminal I installed came with it) 06:37 sfan5 you mean you have "adb shell"'d into it? 06:37 VanessaE nope. 06:37 VanessaE command-line terminal app found in the google play store. 06:37 sfan5 oh ok 06:38 VanessaE I haven't used the ADB yet. 06:38 sfan5 s/the// 06:38 sfan5 well 06:38 sfan5 s//the/ 06:38 sfan5 whatever you want 06:38 VanessaE *looks at box* the USB cable therein...wonder if that'll work for the purpose. 06:38 sfan5 adb shell only requires an usb connection and usb debugging enabled 06:39 VanessaE reading about it now 06:39 VanessaE this stuff is new territory to me. 06:39 sfan5 then you are free to install apk over usb, up&dl files and have a shell 06:39 VanessaE lemme go grab it...now I'm curious :) 06:40 sfan5 you can also make backups and restores (oh.. it may be rootable with that http://www.saurik.com/id/16 ) and syncs, forward tcp connections over USB 06:43 VanessaE "You've connected your computer via USB. Touch the button below if you want to copy files between your computer and your Android's SD card" 06:43 VanessaE well that's a good start :P 06:44 VanessaE *clicks* 06:44 sfan5 if you enable file system over USB you can't use adb features 06:45 VanessaE ok then *turns off USB storage* 06:46 VanessaE hm, seems I already have busybox and su on this (but su of course is blocked. "su: uid 10059 not allowed to su") 06:47 sfan5 lawl 06:47 sfan5 try "adb remount" 06:48 VanessaE lol 06:48 VanessaE "daemon not running. starting it now on port 5038" -- "daemon started successfully" -- "error: device not found" 06:48 sfan5 haha 06:49 sfan5 what about you try "adb devices" first? 06:49 sfan5 (also make sure you enable usb debugging) 06:49 VanessaE oh right, didn't do that yet 06:50 VanessaE "USB debugging"? 06:50 sfan5 ... 06:50 VanessaE right. 06:50 VanessaE sorry, again all new territory :_) 06:50 VanessaE :) 06:51 sfan5 its under Applications->Developing->USB-Debugging for me 06:51 sfan5 but I have 2.3.6 06:51 VanessaE that's the one. 06:51 VanessaE adb devices lists ...nothing :) 06:51 sfan5 what about lsusb 06:52 VanessaE lol 06:52 VanessaE tab doesn't have that one 06:53 sfan5 this may help: http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html#setting-up 06:54 sfan5 (step 3 only) 06:55 sfan5 bye everyone 06:56 VanessaE cya 07:14 hmmmm hey guys 07:14 hmmmm how can i make the formspec area larger in a menu dialog, such as the create world area? 07:17 VanessaE no clue, I suck at formspecs 07:19 hmmmm i'm stuck with this until someone can tell me how because there is pretty much no indication anywhere 07:19 hmmmm https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/a7007202e69112aaf4735a10d838f4ca5c65dfae 07:23 kahrl_ hmmmm: looks like that has the same problem as I mentioned in https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/876 07:27 hmmmm oh... that's a problem? how does Minecraft handle this situation exactly? 07:27 hmmmm the only 'solution' i can come up with for that is to have the lua menu create map_meta.txt and write the seed right away 07:28 kahrl_ that would solve it, yes 07:28 kahrl_ dunno what minecraft does 08:23 JamesTait Good morning all, happy US Constitution Day! :-D 08:27 VanessaE hi 09:41 deltib hah, constitution 09:47 VanessaE sfan5: well that was a colossal waste of time :( 09:52 deltib you can't turn on USB debugging? 09:52 VanessaE already did that. 09:53 VanessaE of COURSE because I use linux on my desktop, every damn tool out there turns out to be for windows 09:53 VanessaE and the SDK is useless 09:53 VanessaE (or the instructions suck, anyway) 09:54 deltib only thing I had trouble with with the SDK was graphics acceleration, which always just produced a black screen 09:54 deltib which as far as I could figure out, was cause I use linux 09:54 VanessaE the adb tool included with the sdk just refuses to list the tablet (which, by the way, clearly says on the screen that it's in uSB-debug mode) 09:56 deltib wow, these instructions make it look complicated 09:56 deltib maybe I got lucky 09:56 VanessaE uh huh. 10:00 VanessaE oh wait! 10:00 VanessaE "In some cases you also have to add vendor id to this file: ~/.android/adb_usb.ini" 10:00 VanessaE did that....restarted adb 10:00 VanessaE now the device shows in the list 10:00 VanessaE what moron decided on that? 10:01 Mossmanikin Hi folks 10:01 VanessaE hi Mossmanikin 10:01 VanessaE woot! I have root! :) 10:02 deltib the same moron that decided on all the things I hate about computers, or so I've decided to believe 10:02 VanessaE lol 10:09 Mossmanikin Does anybody know why "visual_scale" works that weird? I mean: if one wants a plantlike node to be eight times as large as a normal node, one has to write "visual_scale = math.sqrt(8)"... 10:09 VanessaE weird 10:09 Mossmanikin Aye 10:15 jin_xi Mossmanikin: its because its 2d 10:16 jin_xi do double the size of a square you multiply it by sqrt(2) 10:16 jin_xi if you mult by 2 youll get a square 4 times as big 10:17 Mossmanikin jin_xi: Ah... the reason makes sense... still very strange 10:17 VanessaE yay! my tablet has been rooted :) 10:18 Mossmanikin Congratulations! :) 10:18 VanessaE not that I'm gonna DO anything with it just yet 10:19 VanessaE (other than create multiple user accounts) 10:21 Mossmanikin it's the small successes that keep us going ;) 10:31 Mossmanikin Hi john_minetest 11:04 Evergreen Hey everyone 11:06 Mossmanikin Hi Evergreen 11:19 Evergreen Btw Mossmanikin, I incorporated you stalactite code into mine and it works great. I am figuring out how to use ongen to put stalactites in caves. 11:24 Mossmanikin Evergreen: nice, wasn't sure if you would find use for it. I'm also trying to figure out how to use "minetest.register_on_generated" for the smooth transition of forest soils. Kind of stuck... 11:26 Evergreen The way for checking would be if there is a grass node and a dry leaves node next to each other, then spawn a pieceo of the transition node in the either the grass, or the dry leaves node 11:29 Mossmanikin Makes sense. For your explenation is human readable :D 11:29 Evergreen The problem is, that I don't know how to do it in code. :P 11:30 Evergreen I'll have toe experiment with it 11:30 Evergreen *to 11:31 Mossmanikin Yeah, guess I know what you mean :D 11:31 Evergreen By the way, does anyone know what Splizard's snow biome mod uses to make the biomes? 11:32 Evergreen ongen, abms, voxelmanip? 11:32 Mossmanikin Have been experimenting for quite(!) some hours without a satisfying result.... 11:32 VanessaE both ongen and abms 11:32 VanessaE (abms for later-snowfall, ongen for the majority of it) 11:35 Mossmanikin Sounds like this mod could be helpful as an example for forest soil 11:37 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:38 Mossmanikin Hi PilzAdam 11:45 Mossmanikin Need some sleep, bye, later 11:56 deltib Whatever happened to that popup blocking that web browsers used to have 12:06 deltib firefox 12:15 Pelayo hi... about popup blocking, try installing adblock plus extension... but even adblock might not help with some popups that use flash 14:14 sfan5 hi everyone 14:37 AWTom-Laptop *test 14:37 * AWTom-Laptop test 15:00 Pelayo I hate bash and Bool.. 15:04 hoodedice MEOW !!! 15:04 hoodedice (Achievement Unlocked) 15:09 hoodedice Bash. 15:09 hoodedice .sh? 15:13 hoodedice Sup FreeFull ? 15:14 FreeFull Just came home 15:14 hoodedice =) 15:14 hoodedice Uninstalling stuff 15:16 hoodedice (WINDOWS) 15:16 hoodedice l8r 15:22 DanDuncombe Is there anyone on the forums right now? If so, can they tell me whether my Avatar looks like the green troll or a grey dwarf? 15:28 DanDuncombe Jordach, can you tell me whether my Avatar looks like the green troll or a grey dwarf? On the forum I mean 15:29 Jordach reload browser cache = new avatar image 15:29 Jordach <- feels like shit 15:31 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks 15:31 DanDuncombe How do I 'reload browser cache' 15:32 DanDuncombe Oh right 15:32 DanDuncombe Never mind 15:38 thefamilygrog66 Can I ask a question? 15:38 thefamilygrog66 Bahaha 15:52 * Jordach considers trolling this thread https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=110861#p110861 15:54 * Jordach meows at NekoGloop 15:54 * NekoGloop sits on Jordach's lap 15:54 * Jordach pets NekoGloop 15:54 * NekoGloop purrs >w< 15:54 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=110929#p110929 15:55 Jordach 9 Centigrade where I am 15:58 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/XWo6dPR.png 16:00 Jordach it gives me an excuse to overclock my cpu to warm the room up 16:09 Jordach hey! 16:09 Jordach bullshitr 16:09 Jordach -r 16:09 Jordach that's my fucking wallpaper 16:10 Jordach my ass 16:10 Jordach fun fact: same image size 16:10 Jordach 176x80 16:11 Jordach my ass 16:14 Evergeen Ikr, why does everyone say photoshopped? Gimp'd is the way to go 16:15 Jordach hey Evergeen 16:15 Evergeen Hi 16:15 * Jordach doesnt feel well 16:16 thefamilygrog66 Wow, it's 14C here - a bit chilly for this time of year 16:16 Jordach thefamilygrog66, http://i.imgur.com/XWo6dPR.png 16:17 Jordach you think CDN is cold?! 16:17 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, I saw that 16:17 thefamilygrog66 Let's compare mid January, okay Jordach? 16:17 Jordach haha 16:17 thefamilygrog66 We'll also measure snowfall depth, hahaha 16:18 Jordach no contest 16:18 thefamilygrog66 Does it even snow there, Jordach? 16:19 thefamilygrog66 haha, little chili 16:19 thefamilygrog66 Similar to here 16:19 thefamilygrog66 I'm not sure what you're implying there, john_minetest, hehe 16:20 thefamilygrog66 gotcha 16:24 thefamilygrog66 good times 16:25 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, I gave up - too many protection blocks/griefers 16:29 thefamilygrog66 Right on 16:29 thefamilygrog66 I've been messing around with my own server 16:31 thefamilygrog66 Recently added giant Herobrines (4x size) roaming around in the deserts 16:31 thefamilygrog66 Nice looking server 16:33 thefamilygrog66 Just finishing tweaking my newest mod: Hedge Maze [maze] 16:34 thefamilygrog66 Here's an aerial shot of a 23x23 ice maze with dirt_with_snow floor: http://i.imgur.com/WNrmzQB.jpg 16:34 thefamilygrog66 and a treetop maze with leaf walls and tree floor: http://i.imgur.com/Zkaxx7V.jpg 16:36 thefamilygrog66 KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! 16:37 Peacock GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG! 16:39 thefamilygrog66 Haha 16:39 thefamilygrog66 You looking for an ice maze, by any chance? 16:39 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ill have to try it out (the mod) 16:39 thefamilygrog66 http://i.imgur.com/WNrmzQB.jpg 16:39 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan could use a hedge maze for the mall were building 16:39 thefamilygrog66 Just about ready to upload the new version 16:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan hm, nice 16:40 proller thefamilygrog66, enable weather and it will melt 8) 16:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the game's ice texture is shit, but the maze is nice lol 16:40 thefamilygrog66 It's gonna have text fields until 0.4.8 is released, when I can change them to dropdowns 16:40 * thefamilygrog66 just might make a shit texture, you know, for shit mazes and such. 16:40 hmmmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPmWfHy97OU 16:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you'd populate a dropdown with *all* the registered nodenames? 16:41 thefamilygrog66 No, just the ones I want in there - some of them are problematic, e.g. lava_source, water_source, torch, etc. 16:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thank god, that'd be one helluva drop down otherwise lol 16:42 thefamilygrog66 Yes it would, hehe. Text fields are also tough for newbies to figure out. 16:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan everything is tough for newbies lol 16:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though the more they try to simplify things, the more complicated it ends up being lol 16:43 thefamilygrog66 True enough 16:43 thefamilygrog66 It's the minetest paradox, man. 16:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan old mod mgr/ new mod mgr, old liquids / new liquids, etc. lol cant keep up 16:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though i think i came up with a decent compromise for dealing with douchebags - i removed the creative inventory only for non-whitelisted players, they have to use shops now 16:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan with 100 credits that's not a ton of shit you can buy and drop all over the place 16:47 thefamilygrog66 Which server, Peacock? 16:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan WaterWorld 16:47 thefamilygrog66 Oh yeah. Were you the one who added ottomans to my lrfurn mod? 16:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yes sir-ee 16:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i would have sent it to you, but im missing a few colors :/ 16:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan or rather trimmed it down to just black, blue, green red and white 16:48 thefamilygrog66 You should send me the additional code/textures when you get a chance - I can work on the other colours. 16:49 thefamilygrog66 I need to do another release of that one sometime, clean up a few things. 16:50 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan PM'd 16:51 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i know zippyshare sucks, but its a helluvalot easier to figure out than github lol 16:52 thefamilygrog66 Haha, not too many porno popups 16:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol "find girls near you" 16:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan then people wonder why some geeks are such creepy stalkers lol 16:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (that story about the wikipedia editor showing up at this girl's work, forget the names) 16:56 Calinou thanks for calling me a creepy stalker 16:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you're the guy? lol 16:58 ShadowNinja Calinou: Some MoreOres tools are missing images. 16:58 Calinou I added them recently 16:59 ShadowNinja Calinou: I also got annother "Attempt to index global 'uses'" error. 16:59 Calinou I removed uses 17:00 ShadowNinja Alright, pulled. 17:01 kaeza Meow! :P 17:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan hey hey its super kaeza 17:01 thefamilygrog66 howdy kaeza 17:01 kaeza hai grog, mauvebic(?) 17:01 Jordach hey kaeza; where you've been 17:02 jemadux hey there .. one question minetest is minecraft for linux or smthing like that ? 17:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan if its a star trek reference then yes, its mauvebic :P 17:02 Jordach jemadux, YES 17:02 kaeza sup Jordach 17:02 Jordach except open source with better modding 17:02 kaeza jemadux, NO 17:02 jemadux Jordach: thanks ! 17:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan nothing like opensauce 17:03 thefamilygrog66 Speaking of which, I could use a cup of tea. Earl Grey. Hot. 17:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan open source is quite liberating, rather like the first time i wore a european bathing suit 17:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan :P 17:03 ShadowNinja jemadux: No, MineCraft runs on Linux... 17:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (that's a frasier reference) 17:03 kaeza :| 17:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol 17:03 thefamilygrog66 I picture Borat in a swimsuit 17:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan dude im cracker-white lol 17:04 ShadowNinja jemadux: It has advantages over MineCraft, most notable the moding API and speed. 17:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though i tan quite quikly, unlike my wife who's irish in her complexion 17:05 * Jordach throws $5 that his W7 is cracked: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=110914#p110914 17:06 Jordach it's brazil, full of criminals 17:06 Jordach and the cheaters and hackers and the aimbotters and the laggers 17:06 Pelayo yep, the lack of a proper modding API in minecraft means lots of mods have to be rewritten almost from scratch in each release 17:08 * kaeza throws $10 to Jordach that more than 50% of the Windows installations in the world are cracked :P 17:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan jordach i found a way to trip up my brazilian griefers, i introduced money/economy into the game :P 17:09 kaeza "by outside parties" :P 17:09 Jordach Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, /nick Peacock 17:10 * Jordach throws a brick through a window; oh look, cracked windows 17:11 Jordach PilzAdam, $5 that prestotron just gives you a mod and says: merge this 17:12 * Jordach also bets $5 that he might use a git repo... 17:12 PilzAdam do I get $5 when merging the mod? ;-) 17:12 Jordach nope.avi 17:12 Jordach PilzAdam, i still doubt anything good will come of this 17:13 * Jordach smells another crevis in the works 17:14 thefamilygrog66 haha, nice bazook action 17:14 thefamilygrog66 *bazooka 17:15 thefamilygrog66 Hey, it's hellmaze: obsidian/lava: http://i.imgur.com/iivDlcW.jpg 17:16 Pelayo niiice 17:16 Pelayo this is working better now :P 17:23 NekoGloop Oh, is the maze mod still a thing? 17:23 thefamilygrog66 Was there an earlier one, NekoGloop, or are you referring to mine? 17:23 NekoGloop there was an earlier one 17:24 thefamilygrog66 Oh boy, a long time ago, or recently? 17:24 NekoGloop long time ago 17:24 thefamilygrog66 I'll look for it in old mods... 17:25 thefamilygrog66 I just wrote one recently, hope it's not too similar! 17:30 thefamilygrog66 Shitsnacks - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2814 17:30 thefamilygrog66 It's definitely a different algorithm, but I'm gonna have to change the folder name at least 17:34 thefamilygrog66 Is Echo still active within the minetest community? 17:35 thefamilygrog66 Looks like at least two of Echo's mods have been taken over by other people. 17:36 thefamilygrog66 Their last forum post was 2013-04-19 17:38 thefamilygrog66 What should I do in this situation? The old maze mod is a year old, and though similar, a completely different mod. Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks. 17:39 NekoGloop It's WTFPL 17:39 NekoGloop Tear it apart and learn from it, if you like. 17:39 NekoGloop make a betterer version! 17:39 NekoGloop ... one that functions on mapgen! 17:42 ShadowNinja thefamilygrog66: Use the VM and make a maze mapgen! 17:43 thefamilygrog66 Haha, that sounds a bit ambitious for me. 17:44 thefamilygrog66 In your opinion, do you think I could still call my mod [maze] since the old one with the same name has been abandoned for a year? 17:44 thefamilygrog66 Or should I rename it? 17:44 NekoGloop if it's betterer, then likely people won't want to use the two in tandem 17:45 thefamilygrog66 Hmm, I'll keep it the same for now, I guess. We'll see how it does once it's been moved to the mod releases forum. 17:48 thefamilygrog66 back in a bit 17:51 ShadowNinja thefamilygone66: Please don't use away nicks. 17:52 NekoGloop Why? :P 17:54 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: I have seen a few pages with reasons, this one looks pretty good: http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/away.html 18:31 Jordach they should fix the ragdoll physics: http://i.imgur.com/33EUwRj.png 18:31 Jordach he's hanging there in the breeze :P 18:34 morlin hi. i am learning minetest with my son. i run vanilla minetest 0.4.7 on debian, and i am scratching my head about how to apply dyes 18:34 morlin i seem to find a lot of mods, but how do i find out which dye mod, if any, are installed on my server? 18:35 sfan5 yep, perfect, the usb 3.0 driver fucked up 18:35 sfan5 morlin: try /mods maybe 18:35 Jordach morlin, you can only apply dye to wool at the minute 18:35 sfan5 the default dye mod is probably installed 18:35 ShadowNinja morlin: There is one default one, I am not sure if the dyes are actually craftable... 18:35 Jordach put white wool + a colour dye into the crafting grid 18:35 morlin oh. very many thanks to all of you! 18:36 morlin then ... how do i craft wool? i haven't seen any sheep around. ... :-) need a mod for that? 18:36 morlin hmmm ... i do have wool mod ... 18:37 PilzAdam dig junglegrass, it gives you cottong seeds 18:37 ShadowNinja morlin: You can farm cottom for string and craft that into wool. 18:37 ShadowNinja cotton* 18:38 morlin ok .. the white "flowers". i suppose? 18:38 morlin are there mods around for making paint? 18:38 Evergeen There are colored bricks, unified dyes, and other mods that have colored stuff 18:38 ShadowNinja morlin: Yes, Unified Dyes is one I beleive, and homedecor has wall paint. 18:39 PilzAdam in pure default game you can make dye from flowers 18:39 PilzAdam no need for any mods 18:39 morlin PilzAdam: how do i use the dye for my house? 18:40 PilzAdam oh, you want wall paint 18:40 PilzAdam the dye is only used to dye wool.... 18:40 morlin PilzAdam: i just was informed, that i can only dye wool for now 18:40 morlin btw ... on the wiki under crafting, i do not see any recipes for using wool. are they on a wool mod page? 18:41 ShadowNinja morlin: http://wiki.minetest.net/Wool 18:42 PilzAdam that page is outdated 18:42 ShadowNinja morlin: By default I don't think wool has any use other than building. 18:42 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: It was just created a few days ago. 18:43 morlin ok. thanks all for clarifying!!! 18:43 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, seems like someone cant read the 0.4.7 changelog then 18:44 Evergeen PilzAdam: Don't be a jerk, it took me a while to find the changelog. 18:45 morlin PilzAdam: i have read the changelog. but it's not exactly a loosers guide ... 18:45 PilzAdam morlin, I didnt mean you, I meant the one that wrote the http://wiki.minetest.net/Wool 18:45 morlin PilzAdam: ah, ok :-9 18:47 morlin PilzAdam: so, what is wrong on that wiki page? are there in fact sheep? 18:47 PilzAdam you can get wool in survival mode; just plant some cotton seeds and craft the strings into wool 18:48 morlin PilzAdam: right. will try that 18:54 Evergeen I think this is a good example of why we need top update the wiki more often. :P 18:54 Evergeen *to 18:56 morlin Evergeen: that would be fantastic. it's my source of info 18:56 Jordach fuck - was gonna get Evergeen, but he got there before me 18:56 Evergeen Ninja'd X) 18:57 Jordach heh 18:57 morlin i haven't got a clue how to look for cotton seeds, for instance 18:58 morlin of course, i will find them eventually :-) 18:59 Evergeen Okay, if you dig junglegrass, there is a chance it will give you cotton seeds 18:59 morlin Evergeen: thanks 18:59 Evergeen If you dig regular grass, there is a chance it will give you wheat seeds 18:59 morlin will look for jungle grass 19:00 Evergeen Do you have jungles enabled? 19:00 morlin let's see ... 19:00 morlin no. no jungle in /mods 19:01 Evergeen No, it isn't a mod, it is something that has to be enabled in minetest.conf 19:01 morlin ok. thanks. sorry for my ignorance! 19:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan wow, under the dome's finale really blowed lol 19:02 Evergeen No problem, you are one of those rare people who are pleasant about asking questions. : 19:08 Evergeen Has nyone seen what mossmanikin did with the dry leaves? It's in Modding General in the "undergrowth topic. It looks amazing 19:08 Evergeen *anyone 19:08 morlin Evergeen: so i can guess so far by searching, that it has to do with mg_flags in my minetest.conf or in map_meta.txt on the server side 19:09 morlin Evergeen: are those flags documented or listed somewhere? 19:09 ShadowNinja morlin: Feel free to update the wiki as you find necessary. :-) 19:09 Evergeen Yes, it has to do with mg flags. look in minetest.conf.example for all the possible settings in minetest.conf 19:09 morlin ShadowNinja: ok. will do 19:09 Evergeen Remember to take out the "#" before each setting of course 19:10 morlin Evergeen: :-) 19:11 Evergeen No probelm. :_) 19:11 Evergeen *:-) 19:11 Jordach problem* 19:12 Jordach probelm is wrong 19:16 Evergeen Sorry, typing errors 19:16 Evergeen :P 19:19 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks 19:22 thefamilygrog66 19:22 * Calinou , the cricket, says: hi 19:23 thefamilygrog66 chirp 19:26 thefamilygrog66 Hey Calinou, if you're not busy, could you please move my Hedge Maze mod to the mod releases forum? 19:27 Calinou ok 19:27 thefamilygrog66 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7210 19:27 thefamilygrog66 Thanks! 19:27 Calinou woah that's cool 19:28 Calinou moved 19:31 PilzAdam !tw githubstatus 19:31 MinetestBot We are currently experiencing major service outages. (@githubstatus) 19:31 ShadowNinja :-( GitHub died. 19:32 ShadowNinja I saw their 500 page... It is similar to the 404 page. 19:33 thefamilygrog66 Thanks Calinou - there's already an older (year old) mod called maze, but it looks like it's been abandoned, it uses a different generating algorithm, etc. 19:34 * thefamilygrog66 thinks he broke GitHub 19:34 jojoa1997 what is a 16*16*16 area in minetest. cant remember 19:35 sfan5 MapBlock 19:35 jojoa1997 thanks 19:42 VanessaE hi all 19:43 Calinou hi 19:46 thefamilygrog66_ hey, I'm a clone! 19:49 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d-aWMQuoS4 19:49 VanessaE :) 19:49 thefamilygrog66 haha, nice 20:02 VanessaE heh 20:02 VanessaE figures. 20:03 VanessaE (it was "I Think I'm a Clone Now", Weird Al) 20:12 Evergreen Jordach: I can't seem to get the configure script in the openspade source to recognice that I have install glew 20:12 thefamilygrog66 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=110957#p110957 20:13 Jordach Evergreen, sfan5 managed to get it working on ubuntu 20:13 Jordach esc = app close 20:13 Evergreen In that case, sfan5 ^ 20:13 Jordach i keep thinking esc will pause it D: 20:13 sfan5 Evergreen: use cmake 20:14 sfan5 ^ me does too 20:14 Evergreen Okay, I'll try that 20:14 sfan5 esc asks before it closes it in the dev version 20:14 Jordach windows user problems :P 20:14 sfan5 Evergreen: oh, you need to use /usr/bin/clang for C and /usr/bin/clang++ as C++ compiler to secessfully compile things 20:14 Evergreen How would I do that? 20:15 sfan5 (need to install clang & clang++ package oviously) 20:15 sfan5 apt-get install clang clang++ 20:15 Evergreen duh 20:15 Jordach sfan5, im in 20:15 sfan5 Jordach: I'll be there in a sec 20:16 Jordach also: if you have either AoS 0.75 or OpenSpades: I'm open: 81.154.25.249 20:16 sfan5 Evergreen: also this http://pastie.org/8334080 20:16 Evergreen So replace the files with the text in that pastie? 20:17 Evergreen *file 20:18 Jordach i get 60fps with shaders disabled in OpenSpades 20:18 Jordach suck it minetest. 20:18 Evergreen heh 20:18 Jordach you will need opengl version 2.1.x 20:19 sfan5 Evergreen: ... 20:19 Evergreen I'm sorry, I don't know too much about how compiling works 20:21 sfan5 Evergreen: http://pastie.org/8334091 put that into compile.patch and do "git am compile.patch" 20:21 Jordach provided Evergreen git cloned 20:27 ShadowNinja sfan5: Patch format detection failed. 20:27 Evergreen Where do I put the patch? 20:31 Evergreen kaeza: Sadly, aseprite runs REALLY slowly on my computer. :S 20:32 kaeza Evergreen, Unity? 20:32 Evergreen Yep 20:32 kaeza it runs awfully slow under unity for some reason, yes 20:33 kaeza runs OK under other WMs 20:33 Evergreen Huh, odd 20:33 Evergreen Oh well 20:36 Evergreen sfan5: I get this error when I run "make" http://pastie.org/8334125 20:37 Jordach final kill! 20:37 VanessaE ? 20:37 sfan5 I didnt have any ammo left 20:37 * Jordach just killed sfan5 20:37 sfan5 that was not fair 20:37 * sfan5 just almost killed Jordach 20:37 Jordach all is fair in warfare 20:38 Jordach anyways, we can pick this up tomorrow 20:38 sfan5 Evergreen: it doesn't look like you use clang 20:38 sfan5 yeah 20:38 Jordach we should do practice runs 20:38 Jordach structures, etc 20:38 Jordach we'll probably use IRC 20:38 sfan5 Evergreen: use cmake-gui and use "Specify native compilers" and use "/usr/bin/clang" and "/usr/bin/clang++" 20:38 Evergreen Okay, thanks 20:39 thefamilygrog66 what are you guys playing? 20:39 Jordach OpenSpades 20:39 sfan5 s/use/select/ s/use/fill in/ 20:39 Jordach !g "github openspades" 20:39 MinetestBot Jordach: No results found for '"github openspades"'. 20:39 * sfan5 goes to bed now 20:39 Jordach !g github openspades 20:39 MinetestBot Jordach: https://github.com/yvt/openspades 20:39 Jordach ^ that 20:39 * Jordach too 20:39 sfan5 !g openspades stie:github.com 20:39 MinetestBot sfan5: http://buildandshoot.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5683 20:39 sfan5 "stie" well, der 20:39 sfan5 *derp 20:39 sfan5 good night 20:39 thefamilygrog66 can I join? 20:39 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: we are already done 20:39 thefamilygrog66 d'oh 20:39 sfan5 there are other public servers however 20:40 sfan5 good night Everyone 20:40 thefamilygrog66 night sfan5 20:41 VanessaE play on mine :) 20:43 Evergreen sfan5: I'm not seeing the option for specify native compilers 20:43 thefamilygrog66 what's the server name VanessaE? 20:43 Calinou VanessaE's Creative|Survival server 20:43 Calinou of course 20:43 VanessaE vanessae.mine.bz ports 30000 (creative) and 30001 (survival) 20:44 thefamilygrog66 Oh, different game, haha - openspades 20:44 VanessaE oh heh 20:44 VanessaE missed that part :P 20:44 Evergreen sfan5: Can't find the option for specifying native compilers 20:44 thefamilygrog66 doesn't matter - my laptop can't play it 20:47 Evergreen I'm sorry that I keep repeating the question, but how do I change compilers for cmake? 20:56 * Khaaaaaaaaaaaan makes coffee 20:59 kaeza Evergreen, lmgtfy http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ#How_do_I_use_a_different_compiler.3F 21:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan with my mall going on 3+ floors, there'll be room enough for this: http://www.interestingideas.com/roadside/signs/master2.jpg 21:14 thefamilygrog66 Yay, a Master Bait shop! 21:15 thefamilygrog66 Also, coffee sounds good 21:40 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Fix null dereference in weather update functions f7ee5da4c1 2013-09-17T14:37:47-07:00 http://git.io/sat2Jw 22:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the coffee, it does nothing! 22:26 johnDC hello 22:27 PilzAdam johnDC, for info about the compile flags for freetype etc. see the output of cmake . -LH 22:30 johnDC I see, but I don't know where to find leveldb lib and includes 22:31 PilzAdam what OS/distro do you use? 22:31 johnDC Win 22:32 PilzAdam win builds of leveldb are very rare 22:32 PilzAdam maybe ask sfan5 22:33 johnDC and maybe the basic question - what is it for? 22:33 johnDC I mean leveldb 22:33 ShadowNinja johnDC: It is a faster database backend than sqlite3, it is optional. 22:34 PilzAdam leveldb is a different database backend; sqlite has problems with maps that grow > 4 GiB 22:34 johnDC I see 22:34 PilzAdam you will never reach that size in singleplayer 22:34 PilzAdam its mostly relevant for big servers 22:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: the weird thing is now the sqlite page doesn't say anything about that 4GB issue, but it did at one time. 22:35 VanessaE maybe the one bundled with MT is too old or something. 22:40 kaeza Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, ping 22:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan kaeza pong 22:47 * Sokomine wants a goat model 22:48 Sokomine those sheep are so jumpy they need to be changed into goats 22:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan dont make the sheep too sexy 22:48 PilzAdam VanessaE, http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=DatabaseCorruption no fixes since 3.7.7.1 (the bundled version) 22:48 VanessaE someone recently asked for a pig model... 22:49 VanessaE huh 22:49 VanessaE oh well, who knows why it happens :P 22:50 Sokomine pigs...no, don't want wild pigs to roam around the world. goats would be fine. they fit into that hilly/mountainlike world 22:51 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan what about them lady goats? 22:51 VanessaE what about chickens? someone, sooner or later, will ask for them :D 22:51 VanessaE (and MOBF already has the models ......... ) 22:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan or a mousse? 22:52 Sokomine mobf has chickens, so that's ok 22:52 Sokomine vanessaes server does not yet have mobf. something to work on :) 22:52 * Sokomine hides behind a sheep 22:52 VanessaE a mousse? a blob of chocolate-flavored whipped dessert? ;) 22:52 PilzAdam TODO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals#Animals_.28by_common_name.29 22:52 VanessaE Sokomine: oh no, I ain't installing MOBF. 22:53 VanessaE heh 22:54 Sokomine the animal models have to be rotated for usage in mobf, but apart from that, they ought to work fine in both mods 22:54 jemadux is there some tutorial for minetest ? 22:54 Sokomine tutorial? in which way? how to install or how to play or how to craft? 22:55 jemadux play and craft .. i dont know that 22:55 PilzAdam there is a wiki 22:56 jemadux PilzAdam: thanks i'check it 22:56 Sokomine have you played minecraft before? if so, much is at least similar 22:57 Sokomine you do have an inventory with a crafting grid of 3x3 fields above the inventory. if you put items there in the right pattern, you can create new ones 23:03 kahrl there are some tutorial maps but they seem to all be hosted on ompldr which is dead 23:04 johnDC another newbie question - what i'm doing wrong? I've received this message "minetest\libvorbis-1.3.3\bin\libvorbisfile.dll : fatal error LNK1107: invalid or corrupt file: cannot read at 0x2B8" 23:05 kaeza and turtles! all the way down! 23:09 kahrl johnDC: that error usually means you need to link with the .lib instead of the .dll 23:10 Sokomine WHERE? give me those turtles :-) (as animals!) 23:16 johnDC kahrl: thnx, but it looks there is no libvorbisfile.dll avail., it is also not mentioned in guide, can it be issue with 32/64 version, or with different version of SDK and dll? 23:23 kahrl johnDC: sorry I have no clue, I haven't actually compiled minetest on windows ever 23:25 johnDC kahrl: no problem, thank you for your involvement 23:29 Evergreen sfan5: I used clang in cmake, and I still got the same error 23:29 Evergreen (for openspades) 23:41 Evergreen sfan5, I tried applying the patch, but it says "Patch format detection failed."