Time Nick Message 00:36 sokomine regarding technic: does each cirquit now need a switching station? 00:37 Tesseract sokomine: Yes. 00:39 Tesseract sokomine: Also, you may want to try the rewrite branch. I plan to merge it as soon as it is properly tested. 00:49 sokomine those switching stations are pretty expensive...and they need alloys that are usually created using the machines 00:49 SegFault22 So it seems that the hard drive can not be found, although it is connected, in the other computer I want to sue for the server. Restartng it makes it throw either "BOOTMGR is missing" or "disk read error" errors. Any tips? 00:49 SegFault22 use* 00:51 thexyz reinstall 00:53 SegFault22 reinstall? 00:55 SegFault22 I'll consult a person instead. forget that this was asked. 01:26 thexyz yeah, sure 01:27 * Kacey throws a pony at NekoGloop 01:28 NekoGloop :< 01:28 Kacey | Today: Throw-ponies-at-NekoGloop-day 01:28 Sokomine what do you do if you don't have a pony at hand? how do you craft one? 01:29 Sokomine will it cause lag? 01:29 PilzAdam !op 01:29 * Sokomine looks concerned! 01:29 VanessaE http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Today: Throw-popcorn-at-NekoGloop-day 01:29 VanessaE ah hahaha 01:29 PilzAdam no more NekoGloop days 01:29 VanessaE aw :( 01:29 PilzAdam Craft a pony is better 01:29 VanessaE ok put it back then 01:29 VanessaE spoilsport :P 01:30 PilzAdam !deop 01:36 * Kacey crafts a pony 01:36 Kacey I WIN! 01:37 VanessaE no bones mod here, so I can't craft one :( 01:37 * VanessaE puts a spare unicorn in the recycle machine 01:37 Tesseract I already crafted one, like this: 01:37 Tesseract o 01:37 Tesseract --- 01:37 Tesseract | | 01:38 Tesseract 3x3, like the default crafting grid. :-) 01:38 Kacey ooh... i had to use a 6x6 table and some xychorium, but mine is better! 01:40 VanessaE there, got a pony out of it... anyone have a use for the leftover pair of wings, horn, and magic dust? :) 01:42 PilzAdam VanessaE, can I have the wings pls? 01:43 * VanessaE hands PilzAdam the leftover wings and puts the rest in the public chest 01:43 * PilzAdam flys away with the wings 01:43 VanessaE haha 01:44 * Kacey grabs the horn 01:45 * VanessaE puts the pony in NekoGloop's pile 01:45 * Tesseract grabs the magic dust 01:45 NekoGloop I have a pile of pony guts. 01:46 ShadowNinja It's surprising how high 0gb.us is on the ircstats, considering how long he has been gone. 01:46 VanessaE he still pops in every now and again. 01:47 ShadowNinja Last seen: 58 days ago. 01:47 ShadowNinja Or perhaps with a unlinked nick? 01:47 VanessaE !seen [0gb_us] 01:47 MinetestBot VanessaE: Sorry, I haven't seen [0gb_us] around. 01:47 VanessaE bah 01:47 VanessaE or us_0gb also 01:48 ShadowNinja Yes, that nick hasn't been around for months, not sure about [0gb_us]. Although he normally goes by Guest00000 now 01:50 ShadowNinja He is higher than me, and I was here before him, and am here after him. :-( 01:50 * ShadowNinja floods the channel to increase his stats. ;-) 01:51 ShadowNinja At least I rank. 01:51 VanessaE how do you get those stats? 01:52 ShadowNinja http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html 01:52 VanessaE ah\ 01:52 VanessaE how the...? 01:52 VanessaE I'm at the top? 01:52 ShadowNinja Yes, in every stat... 01:53 VanessaE the random quote that came up is certainly appropriate :) 01:53 ShadowNinja (At least those relating to text output) 01:55 ShadowNinja I wonder where he gets his logs, maybe from loggingbot_? 01:55 VanessaE beats me 01:55 VanessaE I've never thought to ask 01:56 ShadowNinja I wonder why loggingbot_ when loggingbot (without the underscore) is available. Perhaps it was registered at the time, but users don't usually drop nicks. 01:56 VanessaE maybe as a backup? 01:57 ShadowNinja thexyz: loggingbot (no underscore) is available, perhaps you would like to have your bot nick to it? 02:02 ShadowNinja Hmmm, nothing exciting on thw wiki... 02:02 ShadowNinja (new) 02:04 ShadowNinja I actually have more that one user on my server for the first time in a while. :-) 02:06 ShadowNinja How does the LandRush server have so many? They must have a very powerfull server in a datacenter or have loads of lag. 02:11 VanessaE no clue there either 02:11 VanessaE but it's depressing in a way (because they aren't on my server :P ) 02:14 * ShadowNinja liked the days when there were only four or five servers on the list. 02:15 VanessaE yeah 02:19 * NekoGloop noms VanessaE's hair 02:19 VanessaE heh 02:20 * VanessaE sighs 02:20 VanessaE depressed :( 02:25 * ShadowNinja crafts VanessaE a pony to cuddle with. 02:27 VanessaE thanks 02:34 Kacey nice... 20th on the list 02:58 kaeza lol most referenced nicks 02:59 * NekoGloop curls up in VanessaE's lap 03:02 ShadowNinja heh, MinetestBot got kicked 9 times. I thought it was supposed to be doing the kicking. 03:02 VanessaE cute :) 03:04 NekoGloop mew~ :3 03:04 ShadowNinja Although sfan being top on kicking isn't much of a surprise. 03:05 ShadowNinja Wow, 1330 topic changes. 03:07 ShadowNinja The statistics generator should also work with ShadowBot's logs. :-) Although I would like to know perl before using it... 03:11 * ShadowNinja runs "head #minetest.log" 03:11 ShadowNinja Remember when Exio made every node into a liquid?... 03:37 VanessaE bbl 03:41 aldobr hi all 03:41 aldobr ended up going back to mageia 3 03:42 aldobr how to compile minetest from sources ? 03:50 NekoGloop magic 03:51 ShadowNinja aldobr: Read README.txt 03:59 kaeza hmm... this is interesting... 03:59 kaeza the UV map of the default character is wrong on the legs 04:09 jojoa1997 Hello anyone yere ? 04:09 jojoa1997 Here 04:09 kaeza no 04:09 jojoa1997 Hi kaeza nice to see nobody is home 04:09 kaeza I am not here, this is an illusion 04:10 kaeza :P 04:10 kaeza how goes it? 04:11 jojoa1997 Good 04:11 jojoa1997 Starting school Monday but that's nothing hard 04:12 jojoa1997 Oh cool 24 on the irc list 04:19 jojoa1997 Hello Not so old OldCoder 04:20 OldCoder Hi! 04:20 * OldCoder is puzzled as he is Old Indeed 04:46 aldobr kaeza: i believe i finished my reprap mod 04:47 kaeza pic or it didn't happen 04:48 aldobr i need to make it a mod 04:48 aldobr currently theres only two functions 04:48 aldobr one that draws lines 04:48 aldobr other that parses the gcode 04:49 aldobr but at least now everything that lacks is glue logic 04:49 aldobr im unsure how to implement 04:49 aldobr maybe a chat command ? 04:50 kaeza a worldedit plugin? 04:55 aldobr dont know how to make worldedit plugins 04:55 aldobr actually i never used worldedit :P 04:56 aldobr kaeza: what is this param at register chatcommand 04:57 aldobr params 04:57 kaeza the received parameter 04:57 kaeza so if you have a "/foo" command, 04:57 kaeza and you call it as "/foo bar", then params is "bar" 04:58 aldobr hm 04:58 ShadowNinja aldobr: Are you making a mod to import .blend files by any chance? 04:58 aldobr syes 04:58 aldobr yes 04:58 aldobr not exactly blend files 04:58 aldobr gcode files generated from 3d objects 04:58 aldobr like a 3d printer 04:58 ShadowNinja I remember seeing you in #blender. 04:58 aldobr actually trying to mimmick a reprap 04:58 aldobr me ? 04:58 aldobr never went there :P 04:58 aldobr im no 3d artist 04:59 ShadowNinja Hmmm, different person then. 04:59 ShadowNinja They were doing something with .blend -> gcode. 04:59 aldobr hm 04:59 aldobr i believe they made a slicer 04:59 aldobr but i already use slic3r 05:00 aldobr kaeza: there are two param 05:00 aldobr params = "something" and param 05:00 aldobr whats supposed to be "something" ? 05:01 kaeza ah you mean the chat command def 05:01 kaeza params is a short doc about the parameters 05:01 aldobr ah ok 05:01 kaeza for example, params = "" 05:01 aldobr nice 05:02 aldobr params = " ", 05:02 kaeza yup 05:02 aldobr so i supose i will receive the parameters as a string in param 05:02 kaeza yep 05:02 kaeza you must parse param for the required fields 05:02 aldobr any quick way to split the line at space boundaries ? 05:03 aldobr like torus.gcode default:mese 10 10 10 05:03 aldobr become 05:03 ShadowNinja aldobr: strinh.split() 05:03 aldobr ok 05:03 aldobr thanks 05:03 ShadowNinja aldobr: See builtin/chatcommands.lua for examples. 05:06 aldobr omg 05:06 aldobr i believe i finished 05:06 * aldobr expecting the machine to explode 05:07 * VanessaE peeks in again 05:14 aldobr mageia urpmi makes my computer miserable 05:31 aldobr mageia stable can install only the 0.4.3 version 05:50 VanessaE can't you just compile it? 05:51 aldobr i can compile 05:51 aldobr err. i will, i tested every other distro around and returned to mageia 05:51 VanessaE interesting choice 05:52 aldobr this page http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest has instructions only for apt-get based systems 05:52 aldobr mageia uses urpmi 05:52 aldobr ah 05:52 aldobr iirc 05:53 aldobr nevermind 05:53 VanessaE well the basic process is the same 05:53 aldobr package names doesnt match 05:53 aldobr but 05:53 VanessaE install all the dependencies, install a proper compiling toolchain, and go after it 05:54 aldobr i have c++ metapackage 05:54 aldobr so i supose i just need the lib packages 05:55 aldobr have to figure each equivalent package name 05:55 aldobr well will be easier to go back to windows 05:55 aldobr bye 05:57 VanessaE pfft 06:18 Miner_48er how should a server celebrate a year of minetest? 06:20 VanessaE a shitload of free meseblocks? ;) 06:21 VanessaE put your server in creative mode for a week, check that nothing dangerous can be obtained, and let people have fun 06:21 VanessaE have a 'best builds' contest in an uninhabited section of the map maybe 06:22 VanessaE not a whole lot else you can do given the nature of the game, less'n you wanna invite everyone over to your house and throw a party in real life :) 06:49 nore hi 06:49 VanessaE hi 06:58 aldobr back 06:59 VanessaE wb. 07:01 aldobr lol my mod generates so big a bug that the game crashs unrecoverably 07:01 VanessaE oops :) 07:02 aldobr access violation 07:04 VanessaE no idea there except that's a bug in minetest, not in your mod 07:05 VanessaE (most likely, unless you've found a way to allocate tons of memory in your mod) 07:05 aldobr i added a lot of minetest.log calls to help track the bug 07:05 aldobr but they generate no output 07:06 nore use print ;) 07:06 VanessaE bbl, time to hit the sack 07:07 VanessaE nig\ht all. 07:07 aldobr nore how 07:07 aldobr bye VanessaE 07:07 aldobr nore ? 07:08 aldobr ah 07:08 aldobr print(string) 07:08 nore and print(dump(anything)) 07:09 aldobr print dont work 07:09 aldobr ah worked 07:10 aldobr strange 07:10 aldobr the bug is in built in split function 07:10 nore because if is ain't string or int, print is not happy 07:12 aldobr nore thanks 07:13 nore you're welcome 07:24 aldobr whats the correct path prefix to open a file from lua ? 07:25 aldobr nevermind getmodpath 08:18 aldobr lua errors without source or line number information... 08:19 aldobr ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: attempt to index a nil value 08:23 PenguinDad my minetest have segfaults while using firearms :( 08:27 sfan5 ShadowNinja: xchat and using a ton of regexes to convert it how pisg wants it because 1) the log messages are german 2) some logging things in xchat changed 08:30 sfan5 aldobr: could be a bug in the minetest c++ code 08:32 sfan5 oh 08:32 * sfan5 crafts a pony 08:33 * PenguinDad searches for a Jack 08:34 aldobr my gcode mod worked 08:34 aldobr but the resulting object is ugly 08:34 aldobr dont know if this is because minetest is too blocky 08:34 aldobr or whatever 08:34 aldobr a bigger object resulted in a eternal loop that is still running (printing a cone) 08:35 PenguinDad minetest wasn't build as a cad system :P 08:36 aldobr ?P 08:37 aldobr :P 08:37 PenguinDad ¡) 08:44 aldobr lol 08:44 aldobr the thing is soo buggy that the result is hillarious 08:44 aldobr a big wall of mese blocks 08:44 aldobr that goes skyhigh 08:45 nore sfan5: a bug with MinetestBot: 08:45 nore !rand 1 0 08:45 MinetestBot ValueError: empty range for randrange() (1,1, 0) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/random.py", line 217, in randrange) 08:45 nore !rand 0 1 08:45 MinetestBot 0 08:46 PenguinDad !rand 1 1 08:46 MinetestBot 1 08:46 nore the second works, but not the first 08:47 aldobr man 08:47 aldobr the thing worked 08:48 aldobr incredible 08:48 * aldobr `s heart palpitating 08:54 nore sfan5: if you do !rev[space], MinetestBot replies nothing 08:54 nore !rev 08:54 MinetestBot nore: Nothing to reverse. 08:54 nore !rev 08:54 MinetestBot nore: Nothing to reverse. 08:54 nore !rev 08:54 MinetestBot ... 08:55 nore eh..., that's a bug 08:55 nore because when I tried before, he did say nothing 08:55 nore so I don't know where it comes from 08:58 PenguinDad !rev nothing 08:58 MinetestBot gnihton 09:02 aldobr how to take screen shot 09:02 aldobr ? 09:03 PenguinDad F12 09:03 aldobr thanks 09:04 nore Shadowbot! 09:04 nore ShadowBot! 09:04 nore looks like ShadowBot does not want to make the same as MinetestBot 09:17 jin_xi hi all 09:17 PenguinDad hi jin_xi 09:18 aldobr hi jin_xi 09:18 aldobr my mod works ?D 09:18 aldobr damm wrong keyboard 09:18 aldobr :P 09:22 jin_xi aldobr: so you can now 3dprint stuff into mt? 09:22 aldobr yes 09:23 aldobr as long as you have the gcode 09:23 aldobr but results are not very good 09:23 jin_xi can you post a screenshot? i still like to see that! 09:25 aldobr f12 09:25 aldobr where the screenshot goes 09:25 aldobr ? 09:25 aldobr ah 09:25 aldobr found 09:25 aldobr bin 09:27 aldobr here 09:27 aldobr http://tinypic.com/r/2i88ja/5 09:27 aldobr file is column.gcode 09:27 aldobr generated using freecad&slicer 09:27 aldobr just a cilinder with some radius 09:27 aldobr becomes a cylinder made out of mese 09:27 aldobr (i used default:mese as material) 09:28 jin_xi i think its quite cool! 09:30 aldobr takes forever to draw more complex things 09:31 jin_xi how do you place the nodes into mt? 09:44 aldobr jin_xi: iwill pack the mod 09:44 aldobr and put it online 09:44 aldobr i printed a cone 09:44 aldobr dude the thing is blocking the sum 09:44 aldobr *sun 09:44 jin_xi cool 09:44 aldobr its huge 09:45 jin_xi i am interested in ways to make procedurally generated structures so i will have a good look 09:47 jin_xi this is what my turtle mod can do: http://i.imgur.com/TCEhNqh.png 09:47 aldobr huge cone printed out of mese blocks 09:47 aldobr http://oi42.tinypic.com/dnkbpw.jpg 09:47 jin_xi but programs are kinda unwieldy 09:48 jin_xi aldobr: nice, is it solid? you're a made man now :P 09:48 aldobr yes, its solid 09:48 aldobr its like reprap printed it inside minetest 09:55 aldobr program takes forever to run 09:55 aldobr i believe this wont be acceptable on servers 09:59 jin_xi what is it that takes so long? 10:00 jin_xi i run the turtle program and collect all positions for new nodes in a list, then use luavoxelmanip to place it in one go. this is very fast 10:00 aldobr i believe it adds the same nodes repeatedly 10:01 aldobr thats what i need 10:01 aldobr save all points to a list and then use luavoxelmanip 10:01 aldobr problem is : i dont know how to use luavoxelmanip 10:01 PenguinDad Haha: http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/Softwaredeveloperswillknow-28726.jpg 10:03 jin_xi heres my code, luavoxelmanip stuff is lines 90 and on 10:03 jin_xi http://paste.dy.fi/bjS 10:03 jin_xi its really easy 10:05 aldobr i believe you can do a better job than I 10:06 aldobr gcode processing is quite simple 10:06 jin_xi yeah, saw you working on it with kae*za yesterday 10:07 aldobr http://pastebin.com/KM0402Qb 10:07 aldobr thats the whole mod 10:07 aldobr you need gcode files 10:08 aldobr place then on the same dir as the init.lua 10:08 aldobr and use /reprap ,,,, 10:08 aldobr to print something 10:08 jin_xi ok i think this is easy to modify to use luavoxelmanips 10:08 jin_xi gimme 5 mins 10:09 aldobr im searching for a better slicer 10:09 aldobr reprap slicers have too much limitations 10:15 aldobr found a sketchup to gcode tutorial 10:16 aldobr ah its ugly 10:16 PenguinDad never watched sketchup :D 10:17 aldobr maybe this will work 10:17 aldobr http://mecsoft.com/freemill/ 10:17 aldobr but will need to redesign gcode handling in the mod 10:18 aldobr ah bait and siwtch, the program is not free 10:18 * jin_xi needs a bit longer... sry 10:18 jin_xi lol fail english 10:19 * PenguinDad gives jin_xi the bit 10:19 jin_xi thx 10:20 aldobr drill bit :P 10:26 BlockMen hi everyone 10:29 aldobr jin_xi: i will start another mod this time loading binvox files instead of gcodes 10:35 jin_xi aldobr: cool 11:01 jin_xi aldobr: can you paste the gcd file for the huge cone plz? 11:18 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:19 jin_xi hello PilzAdam 11:19 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam 13:17 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix trailing nils being dropped by deprecated minetest.env handler 392689e7ba 2013-08-18T06:15:33-07:00 http://git.io/DUF4wQ 13:31 Peacock anyone know where i can find some geolocation code in lua? 13:49 Calinou "as well as collect and make available statistics on griefers." 13:49 Calinou if you do that, avoid revealing their IPs... 13:53 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Reenable image scaling in formspecs 72b9b0fe3a 2013-08-18T06:52:04-07:00 http://git.io/3plBJw 13:54 Peacock calinou anyone who hosts a server reveals their IP on good faith, why should griefers have more rights? 13:55 Peacock might clarify who some of these recurring people are, in any case, i wont post them on the forum, but i will give it to anyone who asks 13:57 Calinou well, have fun defending people who get DDoS'd or such by griefer haters... 13:57 Calinou give IP on requests to admins, but I wouldn't show them publicly 13:58 Peacock DDoS is breaking the law where im from, im simply talking about lifting the veil of anonymity which gives griefers a sense of impunity 13:59 Peacock aside, do you know a clement/Elo from Nice, havent seen those names around here or the forums :/ 13:59 Calinou it breaks the law, doesn't mean people can't do it 13:59 Calinou no 14:00 Peacock calinou you can get most IPs through irc unless the user is cloaked 14:00 Peacock so people can just as well get DDOSed on here 14:01 Peacock in any case my goal is to just help other admins avoid these nomadic griefers who are obviously trying one server after another 14:01 thexyz i host my server and i don't reveal my ip 14:03 Peacock well its not that hard to look up a dynamic host either 14:04 thexyz Peacock: what are you going to do btw? 14:05 Peacock collect usernames, ips, locations, and pastebin it to anyone who asks for it 14:05 thexyz oh that's ok, just don't post them on forums 14:05 thexyz don't post link to that pastebin either 14:06 Peacock i know that, the post wouldn't stand long anyways lol 14:07 Peacock putting it on the forums would just enable spiders and spambots to collect that shit anyhow, 14:07 Peacock i might hate griefers but i wouldn't wish spam on my worst enemies lol 14:14 sfan5 nore: that bug is already fixed, i just forgot to "git pull" 15:19 Jordach well that's a first misclick 15:19 * Jordach clicked sticky topic by accidentr 15:19 Jordach -r 15:27 Jordach hey Calinou 15:27 Calinou hi 15:38 * Semilevel is away: 500 Away 15:40 Jordach Semilevel, we don't like away notifications 15:40 * away is relevant 15:41 Jordach haha 15:45 Sokomine how do i override one singular texture that i don't like on a server? 15:45 Calinou use a texture pack ;) 15:45 Calinou you need to find the texture name yourself, though 15:46 Sokomine the question is rather: where do i place the single texture that i intend to replace? 15:46 Sokomine didn't care much about texture packs yet 15:47 DanDuncombe What should I dowith 10 full stacks of cobble? 15:47 PenguinDad /pulverize :> 15:47 DanDuncombe But I am sure they could be useful 15:47 Sokomine discretely place a chest somewhere, put the cobble in and run away pretty fast :-) 15:48 Sokomine there are some textures out there where cobble is a decorative building material - in combination with other materials 15:48 Sokomine and there's at least one server where you can sell cobble 15:48 DanDuncombe That is my Minetest problem- I hoard. Instead of /pulverize, I just have warehouses full of chests, in turn full of useless crap like dirt, cobble and coal. 15:49 Sokomine with newer builds, you can turn coal into a coalblock. that's a very nice material for roads 15:49 Peacock freebuild should be a little safer now with autorevoke :-) 15:49 DanDuncombe I have 1 chest of coal, 7 of cobble and 5 of dirt. I just counted. 15:50 Sokomine danducombe: yes, that happens. pretty common. how about taking some of your other materials and building something? just don't use cobble alone because that would look ugly 15:51 DanDuncombe BTW, is there a WORKING fix for the inventory images bug? 15:52 DanDuncombe Also, I have moreblocks mod installed. That, plus cobble, could yield some nice structures. 15:52 Peacock inventory image bug? 15:53 Peacock that old bug where it shows your browser image cache? 15:53 Peacock ie (minetest with pron) :p 15:53 DanDuncombe Peacock: Every item in the inventory has either a) Wrong texture or b) a random messed up colour 15:54 Peacock oh yeah that old bug, i thought it had been fixed? haven't had it in a long while 15:54 DanDuncombe Nope, I still have it. 15:54 Peacock if its a bug at all, could be a driver issue 15:54 DanDuncombe ##Vazon-Server 15:54 DanDuncombe Woops sorry] 15:55 DanDuncombe It is a driver issue I think but 12me21 made a fix. However the fix had a lua error so I didn't bother debugging it. 15:55 Peacock what driver are you on? 15:56 Peacock and for fun, did you try preload item visuals? 15:56 kahrl DanDuncombe: could be that your driver doesn't do RTT properly; you could try my optimize_invtex branch which does that stuff in software 15:56 DanDuncombe Preload item visuals is even worse 15:56 Peacock an easy way to find out then, try switching drivers 15:56 kahrl just rebased to current master and pushed 15:57 DanDuncombe How to 'switch drivers'? 15:57 Peacock depends, whats your OS/dist? 15:57 ShadowNinja Peacock: Autoban, autorevoke, what's next? auto-satelite-targeting-and-laser-frying? 15:58 Peacock if i could, i would lol 15:58 DanDuncombe I am on Windows 7 startet 15:58 Peacock you got that from X-Files btw :p 15:58 Peacock windows 7, hmm, could be trickier 15:58 ShadowNinja Peacock: Nope, I haven't watched that show. 15:58 Peacock ShadowNinja when people decide to behave themselves on public servers, i won't need it, until then i do 15:58 DanDuncombe Auto satellite targeting with laser ranging and terahertz-beam mollecular dissasembly device. 15:59 Peacock i can't babysit every single new user that comes on and decides to wreak havoc on freebuild 15:59 ShadowNinja Peacock: I find that removing interact from default_privs works very well. 16:00 Peacock works until they ask for interact and you grant it and they pull that shit anyways 16:00 Peacock at least this way i know right away who to keep and who to toss 16:01 ShadowNinja Peacock: But it rignificantly reduces it. /rollback_check (or grep) /rollback and /ban can be used for the few that abuse the privilege. 16:01 Peacock the few? 16:01 Peacock roflmao 16:01 Peacock the ratio of serious players/builders to griefer is like 1 in 30 lol 16:01 ShadowNinja Peacock: I only get greifings oonce every week or so... 16:02 Peacock well i get a group of brazilians at regular intervals, along with a few odd individuals who try every day 16:02 Peacock nick-ban gets most of them now 16:02 Peacock but i still need autorevoke since two french players this morning totally wrecked the only nice freebuild area 16:03 ShadowNinja You only have a few designated freebuild areas? 16:03 Peacock most of the server is freebuild, but only one area is built-up and nice looking 16:05 Peacock either way im alot more concerned with the thoughts of people who put time into good projects than the thoughts of people more concerned with griefers-rights 16:07 Peacock heck even familygrog's new server is on a white-list basis only 16:08 Peacock BrandonReese had to block entire IP ranges to get rid of his own pests 16:08 LazyJ ^ we've had to do that on a number of cases. 16:09 Peacock even i'm considering going members-only 16:09 LazyJ Sorry to butt-in, the topic is one of interest and concern for me too. 16:09 Peacock no prob, could use some people on my side lol most seem more interested in defending/protecting griefers and troublemakers lol 16:10 Peacock is brandon still using the .hosts file to ip-range block? 16:10 LazyJ We have on player who waxed poetic about the history of roaming marauders and how it is just human nature, so on and so on. 16:11 Peacock well we haven't had that in my country for 200 or 300 years lol 16:11 LazyJ The difference is "griefers" are people sitting on their butts, hiding behind a keyboard and anonymity, with nothing better to do with there time except to cause trouble. 16:12 Peacock the anonymity part bugs me yeah lol 16:12 LazyJ At least this guy's fantasized marauders had to risk their lives. 16:13 Peacock more and more im geolocating ip's on my ban list to see where they're from 16:13 Peacock there are a few sites out there that give IP ranges for entire countries 16:13 LazyJ That can produce mixed results, as players go. 16:14 Peacock at least it tells me if theyre using proxies (changing locations) 16:14 LazyJ We've had trouble with Italians in the past, now we have an Italian admin. 16:14 Peacock me its brazilians, i have a feeling they all leave their server at the same time and come on mine lol 16:14 LazyJ Germans, good and bad, same for Brazil, Europe... the geolocation isn't the indicator. The character if of the individual is. 16:14 LazyJ Yeah, it can seem like that at times. 16:14 PilzAdam Peacock, make topic in the forums where you list all the griefer's IPs and locations, and tell them that you add their IP to the list when you ban them 16:15 Peacock PilzAdam can't do that 16:15 LazyJ For several months I had to constantly keep an eye on our "Italian Mafia". 16:15 Peacock im not even sure they'd let me list username/location 16:15 Peacock german players are the best, they get the rules and explain it to eachother, i haven't had to ban a single one 16:16 Peacock i wish we could publicly shame griefers though, might put them off 16:17 LazyJ On the perverse side, some griefers would revel in the notoriety. :/ 16:17 Peacock but they would also know that every other server admin has seen the list 16:18 PilzAdam Peacock, why cant you do that? 16:18 Peacock because thexyz, calinou 16:18 jin_xi hellban would be nice 16:18 LazyJ If there were a way to lock-out regions and assign a passcode to individual players in the generated world. 16:18 PilzAdam I dont see anything in the rules against a blacklist 16:18 Peacock don't want me posting IPs (and probably other identifiable information) 16:19 Peacock well i'll need clarification before i go and do something that might get me banned :p 16:19 LazyJ New comers are dumped in a free-for all zone. 16:19 PilzAdam Peacock, if you get banned for it then Ill repost it 16:20 Peacock jin_xi : hellban? LazyJ thats why i got nations 16:20 LazyJ After they've built something decent, they get a passcode to another area of the map. 16:20 LazyJ Each time a player want's to move up, they must prove themselves somehow. 16:20 thexyz PilzAdam: I object 16:20 Peacock PilzAdam well thexyz administers the forum, and he doesn't want me posting it :/ 16:21 Peacock LazyJ well my autorevoke works on a simple dig/place ratio 16:21 LazyJ The ultimate goal would be to weed out the troublemakers and those that prove themselves in a number of world areas finally receive the passcode to the area of the map where no one worries about griefers. 16:21 Peacock since most griefers start right away digging everything in sight 16:21 LazyJ Aye. 16:22 DanDuncombe Everything that is not dirt 16:22 DanDuncombe or sand 16:22 LazyJ We've protected most of the area around our spawn but the griefers travel. 16:22 DanDuncombe They take glass, fences and doors I find. 16:22 Peacock dig/place ratios wouldn't work on a server with surface landmasses though, unless you add an exception for default nodes 16:23 jin_xi Peacock: hellban is when you dont tell ppl that they re banned, but their actions are only shown to them 16:23 Peacock thats the thing, people complain they can't build around spawnpad, but if i move spawnpad to freebuild, theyll destroy everything around it lol 16:23 LazyJ Aye, the ratios a have a flaw when applied to players that prefer to build underground or just to mine. 16:23 Peacock jin_xi not sure how i could fake interact though 16:23 DanDuncombe Peacock: Make a laggy server 16:23 Peacock LazyJ well the ratios only apply to players who aren't citizens of any nation (newbs) 16:24 jin_xi yeah, idk if or how its possible, i just said "would be nice" 16:24 LazyJ Oy... we constantly get complaints from players that want to build near or even on top of the spawn. 16:24 Peacock id suggest to them to start out on the surface to get their ratio up lol 16:24 ShadowNinja I would like a public ban list, but I don't think the forum is the way to do it. 16:24 Peacock ugh, yeah, someone wanted me to add Y param to protection, but i dont want people building on top of other people's stuff 16:25 Peacock jin_xi another way to troll griefers is start randomly teleporting them all over the place :p 16:25 LazyJ Some players may be banned from a couple servers, learn their lesson and behave. 16:26 LazyJ Others don't. 16:26 Calinou public ban list is ok if it's opt-in 16:26 Peacock some players have a favorite server where they're serious, and grief on all others :/ 16:26 ruskie cloak does not protect against that 100% 16:26 ruskie gah was scrolled up 16:27 Peacock like the brazilian players, im sure theyre not fucking up their own server like they try to do to mine lol 16:27 ShadowNinja Calinou: Yes, it would be managed by a mod. The issue is which server owners to trust... 16:27 LazyJ The language barrier is a big obstacle. 16:27 ShadowNinja And a authentication system for them. 16:28 Peacock ShadowNinja simple, if the same name/ip shows up in more than N number of private banlists, add it to the public 16:29 LazyJ ^ 16:29 Peacock and make the public list opt-in obviously :-) 16:29 ShadowNinja Hmmm, that could work. 16:29 LazyJ That's sounds like a good piece to the puzzle. 16:29 Peacock that way, someone who's been arbitrarily banned on one server doesn't show up in public list 16:30 aldobr hi all 16:30 LazyJ If several servers have banned an IP, that player has proven themselves to be nuisance. 16:31 aldobr how will he prove that he was corrected " 16:31 Peacock yeah, cuz when i compare notes with other admins we have alot of names in common, and certain others are unique to each server 16:31 Peacock "corrected" suddenly has an image of The Shining lol 16:32 LazyJ "Heeerrrre's Johnny!" 16:32 Peacock (where the guy corrected his daughters by chopping them up with an axe lol) 16:32 aldobr my cgode parser worked 16:32 jin_xi hey aldobr did you see the modified reprap version i posted? 16:32 aldobr nope 16:33 aldobr i feel sleep 16:33 aldobr fell 16:33 LazyJ If the mod system is going online ingame, perhaps a server provided, opt-in, list of bans could be done as well someday. 16:33 aldobr pls make the bans temporary 16:34 jin_xi here: http://paste.dy.fi/byq should be faster, but i havent tested with a larger file 16:34 aldobr me against the capital punishment 16:34 Peacock well youd basically have "Sync" button where your private list is compared with the public, and a "Use" checkbox where the public bans is added to your list 16:34 LazyJ Like the server listing service that rated the servers by uptime. 16:34 aldobr jin_xi: you tested it 16:34 Peacock sorry, sync would have to compare your list to other indiv. lists before adding anything to public 16:34 jin_xi tested it with a small file from the net 16:34 LazyJ Maybe banned IPs would change color according to the number of times they appear on other server's ban lists. 16:34 * Kacey totaly forgot about his FTB pack... 16:34 Kacey back to working on it 16:35 aldobr ok 16:35 Peacock either way, you could still have a public hall of shame list which shows usernames and the result of a geoip lookup, just with the IP obscured 16:36 thexyz I'm not going to host this @ forum.minetest.net, find another place 16:36 Peacock hostings' not a problem 16:36 Sokomine *reading the log* 16:37 LazyJ How do other online games handle things like this? 16:37 Sokomine publishing ips of griefers might be very problematic. exchanging them between those who run servers might be a good idea 16:37 LazyJ World of Warcraft has been around a long time, how do they handle their bad apples? 16:38 aldobr make global profiles 16:38 aldobr allow only players with global profiles to enter servers 16:38 aldobr ban the global profile 16:38 aldobr et 16:38 aldobr etc 16:38 aldobr ie.: central identity server 16:38 aldobr but.... this is way harder to implement 16:39 aldobr jin_xi: 13:36:46: ERROR[main]: C:\Minetest\bin\..\mods\reprap\init.lua:4: attempt to index global 'reprap' (a nil value) 13:36:46: ERROR[main]: stack traceback: 16:39 ruskie bzflag supports both local and global auth 16:41 aldobr jin_xi: local mat = minetest.get_content_id(material) 16:41 aldobr gives nil 16:41 aldobr the method is nil 16:42 jin_xi oh well luavoxelmanip and stuff is only in recent mt versions 16:42 aldobr im using 0.4.7 16:42 jin_xi im on git :( 16:43 otak your blacklist plan is reminding me of denyhosts http:/denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html#sync 16:43 Sokomine peacock: on a german mc server, i get even more griefers per regular player than there are on mt servers :-( and that's a creative mc server. on mt, at least on redcrab, most players seem to be more after stealing. glowglass was extremly popular. and stonesquares 16:43 Sokomine maybe you could put some cloese to spawn as a trap :-) 16:44 ShadowNinja Hmmm, I find a lot of stonesquare and microblocks laying around. 16:44 Peacock well on a non-creative server i can picture theft being a problem 16:45 Sokomine lazyj: what you described (moving up through building and getting rights to build in better areas) is exactly what's going on on that mc server. it works to a degree - griefers wreck harvock, but they only do so in the small freebuild-area where everyone just has to build a small house 16:45 Sokomine so not too much is lost, and most is reversible 16:46 Peacock so instead of protecting nations, i should setup a small playpen for newbs? 16:48 Peacock anyways, ive setup #minetest-server to discuss server adminning issues (and shared bans), ill bbl @ 20 min 16:48 Sokomine teleporting griefers all around the place? i'm afraid that's a misleading approach. it will show that you care about the griefer! you entertain him! your griefer will be happy and return (for a griefer, it's of no importance where he griefs...) 16:50 LazyJ Aye. Giving griefers your time and attention gratifies them. 16:51 LazyJ My free time is more limited now, so when I have to spend a couple hours cleaning up griefer mess I get cranky rather quickly. 16:53 aldobr force people to create a level of trust by making then stuck to accounts 16:53 aldobr kind of "facebook of minetest" 16:54 Sokomine a working rollback would be great 16:54 aldobr a new profile by default has no rights 16:54 aldobr so creating clone profiles wont help the griefer 16:54 aldobr he needs to develop the profile until he is given the chance to grief 16:54 aldobr griefers will give up because they have low attention span 16:55 Sokomine it's less worse if you can just shrug, type /rollback and after a few seconds the "work" of the griefer is gone. plus /revoke interact ought to get rid of them sufficiently. no real need to ban (usually) 16:55 aldobr Sokomine: he gets another profile and grief again 16:55 aldobr err 16:55 aldobr another "ip" 16:56 LazyJ Rollback as Sokomine suggests would be great. 16:56 Sokomine most likely, yes. but some griefers need time to figure out what is going on - why they can't dig anymore. that gives you some time 16:56 LazyJ Interact revokes have a flaw, the griefer and log back in under a different nick and continue their griefing. 16:57 Sokomine btw, i heard that griefing occours even on mc survival servers - a game where you have to pay for your nick. even that does not seem to stop them 16:57 Sokomine how often will they? especially if you repeat the procedure 16:57 LazyJ If Mommy and Daddy are letting the griefer use their credit card, the griefer has no "financial" skin in the game. 16:58 Sokomine on mc, it's also very efficient to "freeze" the culprit. he may then no longer move. that usually gets people to talk (like "help! can't move anymore!") - and they eventually listen to you. but that won't work on mt 16:59 LazyJ Perhaps the key to stopping griefers is taking away their incentive. 16:59 Sokomine i don't know if they just buy another account 16:59 thexyz Sokomine: why won't this work? 16:59 Sokomine some of it may be boredom. and that may be one reason already why we don't get that much in mt - you can do a lot 17:00 Sokomine thexyz: can you stop the player from moving around? hm, maybe by attaching him to an entity... 17:00 thexyz yes, this 17:00 LazyJ What about an interact revoke based on IP as an option? 17:00 Sokomine like that jail command that has been talked about. yes, that might be an approach 17:00 Sokomine lazyj: sounds fine 17:01 LazyJ An IP interact revoke would prevent them from causing trouble under a different nick. 17:01 Sokomine btw, my attempt to use a texture pack (or at least some textures from it) to replace some textures with the default ones didn't work :-( they're mostly some moreores textures 17:01 LazyJ The catch is that it would only work for static IPs. Dynamic IPs are a headache for admins. 17:01 Sokomine and an ip interact revoke offers the option to give interact back should it have hit the wrong player 17:02 Sokomine and that's good. because sometimes ips are dynamic 17:02 * Calinou has a dynamic IP 17:02 Calinou I agree, if everyone had a static IP it'd be better. :P 17:03 Sokomine oh..hm...someone thinks my small village buildings are too big? i usually get the other complaint (too small :)). but in this case...admittedly they're quite large with the "garden" around 17:03 LazyJ Dynamic IPs have their uses as any tool should. It's just when dealing with determined griefers using dynamic IPs it is a problem. 17:04 LazyJ Eh. Sokomine. They are just fine. 17:04 LazyJ Players have to adjust their perspective to MT scale. 17:05 LazyJ I find myself looking at things in real-life as if they were in MT. 17:05 Sokomine hm, for mc classic standards, they'd even be extremly small. there, you don't have half-blocks (except for stairs), fences, furniture and all the other fine details 17:05 Sokomine :-) 17:06 LazyJ And I can see where MT's scale plays a huge part in determining the size of builds. 17:06 Sokomine rl buildings are certainly an inspiration for mt builds 17:06 Sokomine oh yes. i'd say the necessary enlargement factor is 3 for full blocks builds (without nodeboxes) and perhaps 2 with nodebox-like nodes 17:06 LazyJ In real-life you can build a wall that is only a fraction of your body's thickness. 17:06 aldobr one thing that i believe (its a gut feeling about griefers) is that they grief because they feel frustrated 17:07 aldobr usually they cant build anything meaningfull 17:07 ruskie or bored 17:07 LazyJ In MT, everything is 1 x 1 x 1 perfect square block. 17:07 aldobr its a sort of envy 17:07 aldobr so 17:07 Sokomine i don't know. i sometimes get the impression that most griefers are bored, don't know what to do 17:07 aldobr what about a building school for novices ? 17:07 LazyJ Frustrated. Bored. There are those who delight in destruction. 17:07 aldobr make them feel part of the community 17:08 Sokomine i've had griefers who griefed, next moment you saw them building a house, then they protected other buildings against other griefers...or they built first, didn't get sufficient attention, got bored, started griefing... 17:08 aldobr so they have something to lose if they grief 17:08 LazyJ Pyromaniac *love* thing being destroyed by fire. 17:08 Sokomine there might be those who love destruction as well, yes 17:08 LazyJ The human animal is the most messed up thing ever. 17:09 Sokomine and other motiviations. it's hard to tell what they think if you just observe their pointless actions 17:09 aldobr they cant get positive attention, so they resort to negative attention 17:09 Sokomine fire...ought to be removed everywhere. fake fire is fine 17:09 aldobr give then positive attention before they indulge in grief 17:09 PilzAdam TIL: parents are good at crashing laptops 17:09 LazyJ At work I hear a lot of pscho-babble. There are cases where kids will harm themselves just for attention. 17:09 sapier1 ANNOUNCEMENT: First preview release for mobf 2.2 https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/archive/2.1.80.zip 17:10 Sokomine aldobr: hmm. might be difficult with very small children. they need a lot of attention to be happy 17:10 PenguinDad PilzAdam: i learned that before 17:10 * Sokomine moves all laptops away from pilzadams parents 17:10 LazyJ Aaannnddd.... age is another dynamic. 17:10 * Semilevel is back (gone 01:32:02) 17:11 aldobr Sokomine: the minetest school might keep them busy 17:11 sapier1 sokomine I recommend trying the new profiling feature for servers having issues with mobf performance 17:11 * LazyJ is stepping away to brew a french press of cinnamon-hazelnut. 17:12 aldobr cinamon gives me strong headaches 17:12 aldobr dont know why 17:13 Sokomine aldobr: i built the crafting school on redcrabs server in the hope that players may go there, see how glowglass is crafted, and stop stealing it from lampposts. it seems to have worked at least to a degree (that server does not have a craft guide) 17:13 Sokomine hazelnut sounds deliscious. but...a french press of cinnamon-hazelnut? wonder what that is 17:13 aldobr yeah 17:14 aldobr but it needs a way to capture player attention 17:14 Peacock trying to keep griefers busy with school is like trying to teach criminals to not..well, crime lol 17:15 aldobr Peacock: thats the whole idea of the criminal system 17:15 aldobr else we would be shooting robbers to dead 17:17 Peacock thats why my server has a jail yeah, trying to grief your way out of there is like trying to riot your way out of IRL jail lol 17:18 aldobr me imagines the player/griefer screaming : "i want my lawyer !" 17:19 Peacock though even there im being overly generous, you'd think after 15 warnings of "dont dig there" they'd get the hint lol 17:20 Calinou lol 17:21 LazyJ Another aspect to this problem is that we are dealing with young kids who may not understand yet that it is no OK to take things from other people, even if it is in a game. 17:21 Peacock well thats why im trying to figure out some lua geoip solution, if i could tell where they're from, i could chat them the rules in *their* language 17:21 LazyJ If there were a way to limit interact to a certain area. 17:22 Peacock tiered interact 17:22 LazyJ Then, after the player has proven themselves, they are granted interact in the next area or level. 17:22 LazyJ Tiered interact, yes, thank you. 17:22 Peacock like with mass transit, they have zones, and different cards give access to more zones 17:23 LazyJ The whole MT world could be available to them to see but they can only interact in certain areas. 17:23 LazyJ If you are bad, you can see the pretty things but can only do something in the junkyard. 17:24 LazyJ The tiered interact could be revoked and granted and revoked again. 17:24 Peacock youd need an XP system 17:24 Peacock some more evolved than my simple dig/place ratio for autorevoke 17:24 Peacock *something 17:26 Peacock either that or a peer-review of projects 17:26 LazyJ Well, all these grand ideas and I'm left with the fact that I don't have the code savvy to bring them into fruition. 17:27 LazyJ Perhaps the developers-that-be are reading some of this and are getting some ideas for future features in MT. 17:27 Peacock not sure how to implement XP either beyond simple ratios 17:27 LazyJ If nothings some input form the front-lines. 17:28 Peacock peer review could be easier, create a special sign that's like deeds, with an upvote/downvote button 17:28 LazyJ One vote per IP 17:28 Peacock per user account 17:28 Peacock heck throw in a trusted_users table to do the peer reviewing 17:30 DanDuncombe Is pastebin a good place to keep source code for people to see? 17:30 LazyJ Another approach is to try to cultivate a community of regular players on the server. 17:30 Sokomine peacock: the tiered system usually works by someone (i.e. you) having a look at the buildings and decide weather to let that player further on or not 17:30 Sokomine even if they don't grief but only manufacture a box out of cobble with a door, a chest and a furnace, there may be not much point in allowing them in more complex areas 17:31 Sokomine yes, peer-review of projects 17:31 LazyJ If there are standards that your server's community shares, they may be an effective deterrent. 17:31 Sokomine lazyj: iirc node_ownership has the concept of a sandbox. it's just not used anywhere to my knowledge 17:31 PenguinDad DanDuncombe: which pastebin? 17:31 Peacock well my server has citizens and non citizens, the non citizens are the one eligible for autorevoke 17:31 DanDuncombe The PasteBin 17:32 PenguinDad pastebin.com? 17:32 DanDuncombe Yes 17:32 Sokomine the people doing the reviews are usually called moderators :-) 17:32 Peacock anyone can build in freebuild, citizens have protection in their own countries, and i usually encourage people to put the signs in their own languages there 17:32 ShadowNinja Public bans is starting to take shape: http://shadowninja.minetest.net/banlist/ 17:32 Peacock nice :-) 17:32 Peacock and with lua menu, it should be easy enough to set up sync and dl 17:33 ShadowNinja You can use ?name=test&ip=1.1.1.1 To make it crash while I re-learn PHP. ;-) 17:33 LazyJ Everything has to have a start somewhere. 17:33 Peacock i'd help, but i learned php 3.0 lol 17:33 Peacock like, over ten years ago i think lol 17:34 LazyJ If a handful of servers start sharing ban lists, then there are that fewer servers for known griefers to attack. 17:34 Peacock before that it was perl/cgi lol 17:34 Peacock they'll all go on the servers that don't believe in it, which is fine by me lol 17:34 * LazyJ still has to learn how to spell. 17:34 ShadowNinja Now a have to code a system to actually save and load the bans and reports... 17:34 Peacock the alternative plain and simple is most servers will end up white-list only, which sucks even more 17:35 Peacock oh a Reason(s) field would be cool too 17:35 Peacock "destroying projects" "placing random objects" get some idea of the severity of the transgression 17:36 LazyJ How does MT's ipban handle duplicate entries of the same IP? 17:36 Peacock i think it stores unique IPs, but you can end up with multiples of the same username 17:36 ShadowNinja LazyJ: I imagine it stops when it finds the first? 17:37 LazyJ If a plain text file of shared, banned IPs is copy/pasted into the ipban file and there are 3 or 4 IPs duplicated, will MT continue down the list or throw a fit? 17:37 ShadowNinja I am not really familiar with BanManager, but I know it needs work... 17:37 ShadowNinja It will continue. 17:37 Peacock i now the name part of the banlist is useless, since it doesn't actually check usernames, just matches IPs, for that i have http://pastebin.com/cj18Lwnt 17:37 ShadowNinja (I have duplicates) 17:38 Peacock which saves a seperate list of usernames to ban regardless of IPs 17:38 LazyJ VanessaE posts here colors.txt on her website. Something like that except as a compilation of ipban.txt files. 17:38 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/colors.txt 17:38 VanessaE :P 17:38 VanessaE (just stepped in) 17:38 Calinou afternoon VanessaE 17:39 VanessaE hi 17:39 ShadowNinja *sigh* You implemented add_ip_range in one of the hackiest ways possible. 17:39 LazyJ We use future_ban to ban by nick but it has a flaw in that you may ban some player of the same nick who isn't a griefer. So we have to be very careful when using future_ban. 17:39 Peacock it would have been simpler if didn't have to init each key as a table lol 17:39 LazyJ Thanks for the link, VanessaE. :) (and the colors too) 17:39 Peacock i like using table[key] = true to check entries rather than looping through arrays which grow bigger 17:40 ShadowNinja LazyJ: Try kaeza's xban mod. And they won't be able to connect without a correct password. 17:41 LazyJ Unfortunately I don't have the server rights to install mods. Only Orby has that atm. 17:41 Peacock i havent had to actually use an ip range ban yet, i only thought of it because brandon had to 17:41 Peacock so figured i better have it ready in case 17:42 Peacock though supposing you wanted to ban an entire country, that's alot of IP ranges to add :/ 17:42 LazyJ pastebin of future_ban code: http://pastebin.com/ptjrC9Xj 17:43 Peacock yeah thats like my nick ban 17:43 Peacock griefers know its only IPs that are banned, so they dont yet bother to change names 17:43 Peacock when they start changing both name and IP, thats when IP range bans will come in handy 17:44 LazyJ We've had players savvy enough to use dynamic IPs to log in just to be irritants... to prove they "beat" our system. 17:44 Peacock you can tell they don't get layed much lol 17:44 Calinou . . . . 17:44 Peacock well why else put in all that effort to get around a ban? 17:44 Peacock i cant think of a good reason lol 17:45 Peacock especially when anyone can run their own server 17:45 LazyJ One recent griefer was so arrogant that they left signs behind stating that if the other player hadn't left signs asking them not to take the doors then the griefer wouldn't have taken the doors. 17:46 Peacock im guessing that guy when he sees a 'no shoplifting" sign he shoplifts lol 17:46 LazyJ Yeah. Brilliant logic. Oy.... 17:51 Peacock lol this Gibraltar stuff is heating up, the UK even sent an aircraft carrier 17:52 aldobr whats happening on gibraltar ? 17:52 LazyJ Ugghhh... not good. 17:52 Peacock Spain's gov't is trying to distract it's people from a bad economy lol 17:52 aldobr spain and england attrition? 17:52 aldobr oh well 17:52 aldobr they lost to brazil 3x0 17:53 LazyJ It's not just Spain that's doing that. :/ 17:53 aldobr but i believe they still can win from britain :P 17:53 Peacock the ridiculousness of it all is the fact they're both EU members and one of them is sending navy ships to the area 17:53 Peacock depends how you see the locals, as Gibraltans or English colonists 17:53 Peacock Spain says the latter 17:54 Peacock but if theyre Gibraltans, and they don't want to be part of Spain, it's their right 17:54 aldobr i dont like britain in possession of colonies 17:54 aldobr britain profited a lot from exploring other countries 17:55 aldobr but in gibraltar case... its pointless, they both EU 17:55 Peacock is there a major European power that didn't in the last century? 17:55 aldobr britain profited the most 17:55 aldobr way more 17:55 Peacock because they held the most territories 17:55 aldobr yes 17:56 aldobr so, for example, they are more responsible for current africa problems 17:56 Peacock but they didn't behave any worse than any other colonizing power of the time 17:57 Peacock in Zimbabwe you'll find alot of people who actually miss Ian Smith 17:57 Peacock rapid decolonization didn't help affairs in Africa 17:57 Peacock in one country after another strongmen took power 17:57 aldobr Peacock: a dirt little secret 17:57 aldobr britain was nazist before hitler`s germany 17:58 aldobr search for bengal massacre 17:58 aldobr or bengal genocide 17:58 Peacock there were nazi parties in america too... 17:58 Peacock heck even in canada/quebec 17:58 aldobr well 17:58 aldobr they werent exactly nazi 17:58 Peacock history in public schools are very selective lol 17:58 aldobr in the sense of an organized party 17:58 aldobr but britain genocided a lot of people in india 17:59 Peacock like i said, show me a colonizing power than didn't 17:59 Peacock *that 18:00 aldobr well 18:00 Peacock you can blame britain all you want, but Zimbabwe/Rhodesia before Mugabe, was known as the breadbasket of Africa 18:00 aldobr i simply distrust britain more than others 18:00 aldobr last month british prime minister told our president that britain wants more interaction with latin america 18:01 aldobr the first thing i tought : "oh come on england, we know each other from past carnivals..." 18:01 Peacock latin America is the US's backyard, before that it was Spain's 18:02 aldobr nope 18:02 aldobr formally, latin america was portugal and spanish possession 18:02 Peacock yeah i forgot about Portugal 18:02 aldobr but britain was the one who profited from trade 18:02 Peacock but its not like they didn't exploit latin america any less 18:02 aldobr Portugal made a asswipe job 18:03 aldobr they exploited 18:03 aldobr but they signed a treaty with britain 18:03 aldobr a very stupid one 18:03 aldobr where britain provided industrialized items and portugal provided wine 18:03 aldobr well, look now, who is more developed and see how that treaty worked... 18:03 aldobr at some point in time 70% of european circulating gold came from Brazil 18:04 aldobr via portugal 18:04 aldobr right into the hands of the british 18:04 aldobr now they ask us to pay "external debt" 18:04 aldobr lol 18:05 Peacock depends if the debt came before or after independence 18:05 aldobr independence is an arbitrary concept 18:05 aldobr if it was to be honest and just 18:05 aldobr it would be britain paying us back 18:05 Peacock well if you vote for a government, be it left or right, and they spend the country into a hole, who's to blame? 18:06 Peacock if Britain had to pay back all it's former colonies, they'd have to print so much money as to make it worthless 18:06 aldobr actually we are not spending into a hole, brazil has superavit 18:06 aldobr but we still miss all the gold that flowed into britain 18:07 Peacock even if you got all that gold back, would you trust your current leaders with it? 18:08 aldobr yes, as much as a "leader" can be trusted 18:08 Peacock heck even in north america we can't trust our leaders with our pension funds lol 18:08 aldobr we got a kind of gold, a black gold, petroleum, in the "pre-sal" 18:08 aldobr 21 trillion dollars worth of petroleum 18:09 aldobr making us the future largest petroleum exporter 18:09 Peacock oil is always a plus 18:09 aldobr we need to trust someone 18:09 aldobr they edicted a law that says that 75% of the money profited from that petroleum should go to education 18:10 Peacock well its my opinion that when politicians have the means to buy votes, they do lol 18:10 aldobr yes 18:10 aldobr but people tend to protest a lot here 18:10 aldobr we spent a whole month doing protests in regular intervals 18:10 Peacock well thats what they use the militarized police for 18:10 aldobr police did nothing to stop 18:11 aldobr at the end of the month they have to receive their salaries too 18:11 Peacock lucky, here theyve taking to "kettling" people 18:11 Peacock and arresting the whole lot and giving them fines 18:11 aldobr they arrested people that where destroying things 18:11 aldobr but this is correct 18:12 Peacock well yeah public property is everyone's, so i have no sympathy for braindead hooligans who destroy that 18:12 Peacock we just end up having to pay more tax to replace it 18:14 aldobr whats the strongest navy in europe now ? 18:14 aldobr russia, england, france, spain, italy ? 18:14 Calinou >france 18:15 Peacock i would have thought they'd have a united military by now 18:15 Calinou http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/51599121eab8ea5b57000003-590/if-you-hit-the-im-feeling-lucky-button-after-searching-for-french-military-victories-heres-what-google-suggests-you-search-for-instead.jpg 18:15 Peacock from what i hear/read Italy's broke or near 18:15 Peacock heck they had to install Monti to clean things up lol 18:16 aldobr nah 18:16 jojoa1997 hello 18:16 Peacock Berlusconi tried to run again and failed lol now he's in court with no way to legislate his crimes away lol 18:16 aldobr all that france stuff started because they (rightly) decided not to join the immoral american war on iraq 18:16 Peacock well France can get away with it theyre not in nato 18:16 Peacock heck even Canada wouldn't touch Iraq 18:17 aldobr why would a french mother cry a dead child just to fill the pockets of halitburton ? 18:17 Peacock Afghanistan itself is known as the graveyard of Empires 18:18 aldobr eua created afghanistan 18:18 aldobr err USA 18:18 aldobr tis a tragic story 18:18 Peacock well whatever it's called now, theres not a major power that succeeded there 18:18 Peacock not even Britain a 100 years ago 18:18 aldobr under communist rule women were able to go to universities in afghanistan 18:18 aldobr under taliban rule they are dogs 18:19 aldobr the bad is better than the worse, so to speak 18:19 Peacock the situation there isn't about economics its about religious meddling in politics 18:19 aldobr if CCCP had won that war, afghanistan would be a more civilized place 18:19 aldobr russia was a ditactorship, but one way more developed than a teocentric republic 18:20 VanessaE bbl 18:20 aldobr all that USA made in afghanistan was to breed the very same terrorists who attacked in 11/9 18:20 aldobr right back in the 80`s 18:20 Peacock im not crazy about 1 party or even 2 party states, i think multi-party, minority gov'ts and coalitions are the way to go 18:21 Peacock when you have 1 party that can take the cake, they don't have to compromise with anyone 18:21 aldobr Peacock: we have like 100 parties, and at the end of the day there are only two groups, those for the goverment and those against 18:21 Peacock when none of the parties can have complete control, then you get something that's balanced 18:22 aldobr you get corruption 18:22 aldobr people being paid to vote for, or against the goverment decisions 18:22 Peacock and that's somehow different with a 1/2 party state? 18:22 aldobr its worse 18:22 Peacock fewer people to buy off IMO 18:22 ShadowNinja Alright, I need two people to go to http://shadowninja.minetest.net/banlist/?name=x&ip=1.1.1.1 to test this. 18:23 Peacock what bugs me more, is seeing the children of presidents/prime ministers entering politics and riding the reputations of their parents 18:23 ShadowNinja Peacock: ^? 18:23 Peacock ShadowNinja link gives me nothing in chromium :/ 18:23 aldobr ShadowNinja: empty file 18:24 LazyJ ShadowNinja, the conversation has drifted into global politics. 18:24 ShadowNinja It isn't fupposed to return anything. 18:24 LazyJ The link is blank in Firefox. 18:24 ShadowNinja But it hasn't recorded your request... 18:25 PenguinDad has it recorced some request? 18:25 PenguinDad +s 18:25 ShadowNinja No errors. Try it again. It should say "Duplicate submision." after the second try. 18:25 LazyJ "View Page Source" shows nothing in there. Are you sure it's uploaded to the right place? 18:26 Peacock still nothing :/ 18:26 ShadowNinja There are plenty of entries in my access log... 18:27 ShadowNinja Time for the print() debug framework. 18:27 LazyJ Hmm... still no show in Firefox nor in Chromium. 18:27 Peacock LazyJ i think it started when i brought up Gibraltar lol 18:27 Peacock not quite sure i remember now XD 18:27 LazyJ Probably some tiny little comma where a period should be is the culprit. ;) 18:28 Peacock OCD's read everything, photographic memory doesn't help :( lol 18:28 aldobr ?P 18:28 LazyJ Well, if we could stop the global griefers too that would be good. :0) 18:28 LazyJ Eh, my memory is shorter than the hair on my bald head. 18:29 Peacock i cant remember numbers for some odd reason (not even my own age, address or phone number) but everything i read, i do remember lol 18:29 Peacock go figure XD 18:29 ShadowNinja Peacock: Try now. Do you at least get "loaded."? 18:30 LazyJ "Loaded. Adding new report... 18:30 Peacock yep says loaded, adding new report 18:30 LazyJ FF and Chromium. 18:31 Sokomine hmm. no change. how do i override the default_mineral_xxx/moreores_mineral_xxx textures with my own? (that on a server). havn't jused texture packs 18:32 ShadowNinja Oh! 18:32 LazyJ Sokomine, have you replaced the png image/texture in moreores/textures? 18:33 LazyJ There are some duplicated ores in the default game (gold, bronze, copper) so you may be seeing them instead. 18:33 ShadowNinja Peacock, LazyJ: Try now. 18:34 LazyJ For Wazuland, I had to edit the default game files and moreores files to include the "Default " and "MoreOres " distinction that shows up on mouse-over. 18:35 LazyJ ShadowNinja, "Duplicate submission." 18:35 PenguinDad ShadowNinja: it works :) 18:36 ShadowNinja LazyJ: You refreshed multiple times I imagine. 18:36 LazyJ Yup, I've got several windows open, confused a few. :)- 18:38 Sokomine do i have to duplicate the folder structure under textures/all ? right now i just dumped the files in there. changing the textures in my local mods would most likely only affect those local ones? but i want to change those on servers 18:39 Sokomine in this case. the copper one because that's far too small and can hardly be seen. on of the farming-plus-strawberries might also be a good idea - replaced it locally because it's hardly distinguishable from the harvestable fully-grown fruit 18:41 DanDuncombe Why am I not allowed to add a modpack to the Mod Database? 18:42 LazyJ Sokomine, for my own "custom" blocks, I put the png images in the mod's texture folder. 18:43 LazyJ But those images are for the custom blocks... hmmm... 18:43 LazyJ Are you trying to override the moreores default textures? 18:44 LazyJ Or are you trying to replace all the textures for all blocks? 18:44 LazyJ Calinou's conversion of "Misa" is a good study. 18:46 LazyJ If you are creating your own mod to override a default texture, the I think you have to re-register the block in your mod and provide your texture in the mod's texture folder (sokomine_mod/textures). 18:46 aldobr ... any chance of render to texture being implemented 18:46 aldobr " 18:46 aldobr ? 18:47 LazyJ Hey, waidahminut... this is where the game developers hang out. They know this stuff inside and out... literally. 18:47 LazyJ Don't take my advice unless it's about brewing coffee. ;)- 18:49 Sokomine i'm kind of...trying to use my own texture pack to replace a few selected textures on a server 18:49 Sokomine havn't bothered with texturepacks otherweise because my buildings have to look good in whatever the default textures are 18:49 LazyJ Ah. 18:50 Peacock ewww : http://www.thestar.com/news/2013/08/16/crushing_a_cronut_burger_at_the_cne.html?utm_content=buffer30d51&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer 18:51 LazyJ Then you have to know the exact file name of the image that the server is using, and then use a different image but same name in your client. 18:51 Sokomine ok. where do i put that image? 18:51 Sokomine that's the question i'm asking :-) 18:51 Sokomine textures/all did not seem to work? 18:53 LazyJ There's the tickle... Mods like moreores and moreblocks have gone through some renaming (Ohhh...Calinou, advise please) so if the server is running an older version of, say moreblocks, there is a different name for the same texture in the newer version of moreblocks. 18:54 LazyJ The way to know is to download the mods from that server to see what the file names are. 18:54 PilzAdam Sokomine, what version of Minetest do you run? 18:54 Sokomine latest git 18:54 Sokomine at max a few hours old 18:54 PilzAdam then you have to select "all" in the Texture pack tab 18:54 Sokomine hmm. ok, renaming might be an issue. yet the server seems to be relatively recent 18:54 PilzAdam or place it in any folder like "Sokomines Epic TP" and in textures/ and select it in the Texture pack tab 18:55 Sokomine aaah! thank you! that *does* help. now i can see those ores 18:56 Sokomine arn't my textures :-) in this case, those of vanessa (where the easiest ones to grab :)) 18:57 jojoa1997 Hello 18:58 Calinou hi 16 year old 18:58 jojoa1997 i turned this month 18:59 jojoa1997 does anyone here use hexchat 18:59 svuorela sexchat ? 18:59 jojoa1997 NO! 19:01 NakedFury me 19:01 * jojoa1997 is confused 19:01 NakedFury sexually? 19:02 * jojoa1997 runs to the Rated G corner 19:03 ShadowNinja There, the server-side part is done, now for the Lua side. (I will have to use os.execute("wget ...") unfourtunately) 19:03 jojoa1997 no hexchat is an irc client 19:03 jojoa1997 ShadowNinja for what 19:03 ShadowNinja jojoa1997: A global public banlist. 19:03 jojoa1997 :( 19:04 * Calinou throws a pony in the Rated G corner 19:04 jojoa1997 this is cool i am 11th and 24th on this list. http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html I bet no one can say that 19:05 LazyJ jojoa1997, I use Xchat in Linux, sort-of similar. I have HexChat on my laptop (not up-to-date). What's up? 19:06 sfan5 jojoa1997: *ding* you are now 8th instead of 2 places 19:06 jojoa1997 every time i close off the preferences revert to default. Als i use a portable installation 19:06 sfan5 lawl 19:06 sfan5 pisg choose a good quote: ""is drowninf enabled by default?"" 19:06 LazyJ Portable... that may be why. idk. 19:06 jojoa1997 sfan5 8th in what 19:06 Calinou you don't have write permissions, jojoa1997 19:06 sfan5 irc stats 19:06 Calinou put it elsewhere than in Program Files 19:07 jojoa1997 i mean most active nicks 19:07 Calinou "Traxie21 (1150)" how old is that bot? O_o 19:07 Calinou "Calinou seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 9 times." youdontsay.jpg 19:07 jojoa1997 i see 11 for jojoa1997|Tablet and 24 for jojoa1997 19:08 sfan5 Calinou: "During this 178-day reporting period [...]" 19:08 sfan5 jojoa1997: reload the size 19:08 sfan5 site* 19:08 jojoa1997 oh wow 19:09 jojoa1997 it was different a minute ago 19:09 * Calinou crafts a pony, and flies away 19:09 * sfan5 throws a kitten at Calinou 19:09 jojoa1997 lol 19:10 * sfan5 puts Rainbow Dash on jojoa1997's head 19:10 * Calinou puts Rarity on his head 19:10 jojoa1997 gone for 2 months and i just moved down to 4th most posts in the forums 19:10 * jojoa1997 dashes away 19:10 Calinou there are better fights to do in life 19:10 jin_xi learn to stfu 19:10 * jojoa1997 delays Calinou's plane 19:12 jojoa1997 http://drakeblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_7991-300x283.jpg that is what my dog has on now 19:13 svuorela is there btw a skyblock competition/combat/war map somewhere ? 19:14 * sfan5 puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head 19:14 jojoa1997 there is a server 19:14 NakedFury combat sucks sadly 19:14 MinetestBot meow 19:15 aldobr my gcode reader mod is working : http://tinypic.com/r/25rebk5/5 19:15 * jojoa1997 wonders why #minetest is obsessed with kittens on heads when kittens are not in minetest_game.... 19:15 aldobr a column of clay 19:15 * svuorela puts a kitten on sfan5's head 19:15 sfan5 meow 19:15 * sfan5 slaps jojoa1997 19:15 svuorela jojoa1997: stuff on hedas are amazing 19:15 aldobr my 3d printer mod can print kittens if needed 19:15 * jojoa1997 cries 19:15 * jojoa1997 slaps sfan5 19:15 NakedFury you got a 3d printer? 19:15 NakedFury im getting one soon! 19:16 * sfan5 shocks jojoa1997 with a mesecons kitten energy generator 19:16 * jojoa1997 jumps in a puddle with sfan5 19:16 aldobr NakedFury: i wrote a 3d printer mod 19:16 Calinou better print ponies 19:17 aldobr with help from jin_xi 19:17 jojoa1997 anyone try the new villages mod 19:17 sfan5 jojoa1997: these ponies are coming for you http://z0r.de/4870 19:18 * jojoa1997 waiting 19:18 * jojoa1997 is rainbow dash 19:18 * PilzAdam slaps Calinou (statistics, dude) 19:18 jojoa1997 hi PilzAdam 19:18 jojoa1997 ... 19:19 jojoa1997 are you going to run and hide 19:19 jojoa1997 ? 19:19 sfan5 * PilzAdam dude) Calinou slaps (statistics, 19:19 sfan5 no wait 19:19 sfan5 thats wrong 19:19 jojoa1997 lol 19:19 * Calinou slaps PilzAdam using his hoof 19:20 * sfan5 throws a kitten at Calinou 19:20 PilzAdam you cant slap with a hoog 19:20 sfan5 I think I'm going to make a pisg plugin that counts how many kittens were thrown 19:20 PilzAdam *f 19:20 PilzAdam you can only brohoof with it 19:20 * jojoa1997 throws a kitten generator at sfan5 19:21 * sfan5 activates the kitten generator and points the output pipe at PilzAdam 19:21 jojoa1997 sfan5 you should have on the stats site how many times the word kitten/kittens has been said 19:21 * jojoa1997 gives Pilz 19:21 * jojoa1997 gives PilzAdam a dog 19:21 sfan5 dog? 19:21 sfan5 no dogs allowed 19:22 sfan5 only kittens and ponies 19:22 jojoa1997 what about shitzus 19:22 jojoa1997 fine 19:22 jojoa1997 i will bring my cat here that is not a dog in disguise 19:23 * Calinou saps jojoa1997's cat 19:23 jojoa1997 saps? 19:23 Calinou it is even a valid word, lol 19:23 * jojoa1997 puts a stuffed cat doll in the cat sapper 19:24 * sfan5 puts Derpy Hooves on jojoa1997's head 19:24 * jojoa1997 removes everything on jojoa1997's head 19:35 jojoa1997 Finally works 19:45 jojoa1997 in minetest should windows users use directx or opengl 19:45 Calinou opengl 19:46 jojoa1997 howd do you tell what you have? 19:47 jojoa1997 actually opengl controls the noise right? 19:49 Calinou the noise? 19:49 jojoa1997 sorry 19:49 Calinou jojoa1997: look at the top of your Minetest window, read the window title 19:49 jojoa1997 minetest sounds 19:49 Calinou sounds are always managed by OpenAL 19:49 jojoa1997 oh it is AL 19:50 Calinou DirectX is a bunch of proprietary APIs made by Microsoft, Direct3D is a proprietary OpenGL competitor made by Microsoft 19:58 jojoa1997 if i dont have any sound in minetest does that mean that i do not have openAL on my pc 19:58 Calinou try installing it, yes 20:05 Jordach hey Evergreen 20:06 Evergreen Hi 20:06 Calinou hi 20:06 jojoa1997 is anyone getting a bug where water doesnt flow 20:07 sfan5 jojoa1997: we already had this 2 or 3 days ago 20:07 sfan5 please search the irc log 20:07 jojoa1997 and how was i supposed to know this 20:08 Evergreen By searching the irc log. :P 20:09 * Jordach cant use hexchat 20:09 Jordach the crashes, it burns! D: 20:10 jojoa1997 Evergreen how was i supposed to know that the issue was brought up when i wanst on irc 20:10 Jordach jojoa1997: by checking the issue tracker 20:10 Evergreen By looking at the irc logs, you can read stuff that you didn't see 20:10 jojoa1997 isue tracker 20:10 jojoa1997 where is that 20:11 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/ 20:11 Jordach jojoa1997: next time, check the github pages 20:11 Jordach next time you don't get help out of me 20:11 Jordach 20:13 jojoa1997 But i get help anyways 20:13 jojoa1997 and he left 20:17 LazyJ jojoa1997, karhl passed this on to me a couple weeks ago (water flow problem): 20:17 jojoa1997 it is fixed now 20:18 jojoa1997 i dont know how though 20:18 LazyJ In the minetest.conf add liquid_loop_max = 10000 20:18 jojoa1997 it was like a very long lag on water 20:18 LazyJ not 1 thousand... 10 thousand. 20:18 LazyJ That's what helped me. 20:25 jojoa1997 does anyone know if anything new will be added to minetest_game sometime soon. 20:31 jojoa1997 Hi kaeza how is it going? 20:32 kaeza hey jojo 20:32 kaeza good 20:33 kaeza you? 20:34 jojoa1997 im good 20:36 Jordach can someone ping me with Jordach? 20:36 kaeza Jordach, 20:36 PilzAdam Jordach, no 20:36 * Jordach has had to stop using HexChat from the bugs 20:36 Jordach again in 10 seconds 20:37 jojoa1997 Jordach 20:38 jojoa1997 Jordach, was that good? do i get a gold star? 20:38 Jordach okay, good news, orange is my highlight colour 20:38 * jojoa1997 wants a gold star 20:39 Jordach ping me again jojoa1997 20:40 PilzAdam Jordach, this is not a test channel 20:40 Jordach PilzAdam: got it 20:40 jojoa1997 PilzAdam Jordach 20:40 jojoa1997 :) 20:40 * Jordach hates the orange colour of Quassel 20:40 * jojoa1997 has highlights as green 20:43 * kaeza is colorblind 20:43 kaeza :D 20:46 * jojoa1997 sprays magial dust on kaeza's eyes 20:47 Jordach kaeza: explain how you managed to make a nice coloured sprite 20:47 jojoa1997 he used my magical dust 20:47 kaeza Jordach, RGB sliders :P 20:48 jojoa1997 so you make a sprite but you cant even enjoy it 20:48 * Jordach wonders if kaeza sees the world in 1950's style; black and white 20:48 jojoa1997 poor kaeza 20:49 kaeza jojoa1997, weird huh? 20:49 jojoa1997 WAIT! wasnt the world back then black and white in real life 20:49 jojoa1997 :P 20:49 kaeza I enjoy graphics design almost as much as coding 20:49 * Jordach has an annoyance 20:50 kaeza though only pixel art :P 20:50 * jojoa1997 wonders who it is 20:50 kaeza I such at realistic images :P 20:50 Jordach i have to listen to slow audio to animate 24fps video 20:50 kaeza suck* 20:50 jojoa1997 kaeza pixel art is the best until you get to landscapes 20:50 Jordach blender's anim player only does 12 :( 20:52 kaeza jojoa1997, you may have noticed that most of my designs contain only basic colors as yellow, blue, etc 20:53 * Jordach groans 20:53 kaeza Jordach, no config option? 20:53 Jordach kaeza: my gpu cant handle it 20:53 Jordach it gives up trying to animate fast 20:54 jojoa1997 kaezai dont remember any of them. could you show me some stuff 20:54 Jordach that's why i'm using a audio file at 50% of it's speed (because blender is at 12fps, the video is at 24) 20:55 Jordach so i'm cheating, but not cheating :D 20:58 Jordach oh god this is going to take it's time D: 20:59 DanDuncombe May I make the formal request that my MT_Mapper and colors.txt etc are included in the Windows Stable Minetest Download? 21:00 DanDuncombe In a folder named 'Mapper' 21:00 DanDuncombe I believe people will find it genuinely helpful. 21:01 kaeza lol PortablePeacock 21:01 kaeza hi 21:01 PortablePeacock im on the balcony :P 21:01 PortablePeacock cant get used to this 80% keyboard :/ 21:02 DanDuncombe Kaeza what did you think of my request? 21:03 kaeza DanDuncombe, make a pull request on github 21:03 DanDuncombe Okay. 21:04 DanDuncombe Do mods on the Database have to be on Github, or will DropBox (which can provide direct links) work? 21:05 DanDuncombe Also, I have never pull requested before. How do I do the request so that a the mapper folder, with it's contents, is included ideally in the Minetest directory, and nowwhere else. 21:06 VanessaE hi all 21:06 PortablePeacock howdy 21:06 DanDuncombe VanessaE, can you help with the above comment? 21:06 Jordach hello Vanessa 21:07 Jordach E* 21:07 jojoa1997 Hi VanessaE 21:07 * PilzAdam takes PortablePeacock and places it in his pocket 21:07 VanessaE about the database, I don't really know. about pull requests, all you need to do there is make sure all and *only* your desired changes are already pushed to your github repo, then just go to the website and issue a pull request (the "compare" feature) 21:07 jojoa1997 -.- 21:07 Jordach fun fact: quassel is faster than hexchat :O 21:07 VanessaE hi jojo, Jordach 21:08 VanessaE dan, you can use git branches to handle multiple feature changes, but for now, stick to one branch and one feature at a time 21:08 jojoa1997 lol VanessaE comes on and things seem so much simpler 21:08 VanessaE hah 21:09 VanessaE me, simple? 21:09 VanessaE you shoulda seen me today at my friend Suzy's book signing :D 21:09 PortablePeacock now why would the pilzadam place the portablepeacock in his pocket? lol 21:09 DanDuncombe VanessaE, I have never branched or anything. How do I do it? 21:09 Exio4 does anyone know a simple-and-opensource cd/dvd burner for windows? 21:09 jojoa1997 its windows 21:09 VanessaE DanDuncombe: git branch xxxxx to make it; git checkout xxxxx to switch to it 21:09 Exio4 windows xp, fwiw 21:09 PilzAdam PortablePeacock, because its portable 21:10 PortablePeacock lol 21:10 jojoa1997 !g simple-and-opensource cd/dvd burner for windows 21:10 MinetestBot jojoa1997: http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-cd-dvd-burning-software.htm 21:10 DanDuncombe Windows can burn and rip DVDs/Cds 21:10 VanessaE but for now, don't mess with branches 21:10 jojoa1997 !? 21:10 jojoa1997 ah nothing? 21:10 * VanessaE pokes Uberi... just because :) 21:10 DanDuncombe VanessaE, could you do it for me? 21:10 Exio4 jojoa1997: free != opensource 21:10 VanessaE DanDuncombe: nope 21:10 DanDuncombe Why not 21:10 * Uberi explodes into confetti 21:11 DanDuncombe I really have no idea how to do it. 21:11 VanessaE you can only do that yourself because git is a mostly secure system 21:11 jojoa1997 !g windows cd ripper free 21:11 MinetestBot jojoa1997: http://download.cnet.com/Free-CD-Ripper/3000-2168_4-10212165.html 21:11 Exio4 i will use infrarecorder, i hope it works 21:11 VanessaE e.g. it depends on you being logged in, having the code on your machine where you want it, etc etc etc 21:11 Exio4 :D 21:11 Uberi what's up DanDuncombe 21:11 jojoa1997 i use windows media player 21:11 VanessaE Uberi: he needs advice on git branching and how it relates to pull requests 21:11 jojoa1997 DanDuncombe nice mapper 21:12 DanDuncombe Thanks jojoa19997 21:12 DanDuncombe *1997 21:12 Uberi oh, well what's still unclear? 21:12 DanDuncombe I just need to get it added to the default Windows Stable download 21:12 PortablePeacock damn this screen is small :/ 21:12 DanDuncombe As a pull request or something 21:13 VanessaE DanDuncombe: oh for that, you have to pull request against minetest git and hope it makes it in before the next stable build 21:13 DanDuncombe Okay, how do I make it so the mapper folder is in the Minetest Directory? 21:13 jojoa1997 DanDuncombe maybe you could add an update map option 21:13 DanDuncombe jojoa1997 What do you mean? 21:14 DanDuncombe You can just re-map the world. 21:14 Sokomine hmm. we need some simple sentences translated into diffrent languages... 21:14 VanessaE DanDuncombe: wait, are you trying to merge in the C++ mapper then? 21:14 VanessaE because the python one is already there, in the util folder. 21:14 Jordach yes 21:15 VanessaE oh 21:15 VanessaE don't bother. 21:15 VanessaE that's already been decided against. 21:15 VanessaE :( 21:15 DanDuncombe VanessaE, see the forum post for MT_Mapper for Windows 21:15 Jordach it should be included in *JUST* the windows builds 21:15 VanessaE devs have already declined to include it because it increases the build deps or something 21:15 Jordach if it's in the git repo, then a shitstorm occurs because the app doesnt work on *nix or windows 21:15 Exio4 the idea was making it part of the engine "soon(tm)" 21:15 DanDuncombe It is a 'TUI' version of Minetest_Mapper 21:15 Jordach that's why we have python :P 21:16 DanDuncombe Text Gui 21:16 VanessaE to get it included with win builds, you probably should just link to a known good binary and ask someone to bundle it 21:16 VanessaE this isn't something that's really handled by git 21:16 jojoa1997 DanDuncombe i mean if you press option 4 you can choose from a list of maps already there to remap the world 21:16 DanDuncombe Ask someone to bundle? 21:16 jojoa1997 i just thought it could make things easier 21:16 VanessaE yeah, e.g. ask PilzAdam or sfan5 to bundle it with their builds. 21:16 DanDuncombe jojoa1997, it may be a while, but if possible that feature may be added. 21:16 VanessaE (or fess or blockmen) 21:16 sfan5 hm? 21:17 VanessaE sfan5: DanDuncombe wants to get the C++ minetestmapper included alongside standard Windows builds of MT. 21:17 DanDuncombe sfan5, could you include my MT_Mapper for Windows in your MT Builds? 21:17 sfan5 sure 21:17 DanDuncombe VanessaE: My MT mapper, not just the C++ thing 21:17 VanessaE oh wait, your mapper? 21:17 VanessaE linky? 21:17 sfan5 umm 21:17 DanDuncombe I mean this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6920 21:17 jojoa1997 it is very good 21:18 DanDuncombe Is is text-based interface 21:18 sfan5 let me see 21:18 DanDuncombe *is a 21:18 * Jordach wants a nix version too 21:18 Jordach bbl - testing linux mint 15 :D 21:18 VanessaE ah, something like an ncurses front end for the mapper eh? 21:19 DanDuncombe If someone re-writes it as bash and makes it use minetestmapper.py then Linux users could use it too. 21:19 DanDuncombe It is a text-based GUI for the mapper, yes. 21:19 PortablePeacock IMO include the mapper into minetest 21:19 DanDuncombe It automaticcaly logs the mapping 21:20 DanDuncombe Gives you various options 21:20 VanessaE sounds useful 21:20 DanDuncombe And is 100% batch (except for minetest_mapper itself) 21:20 PortablePeacock lua menu shouldn't be too tough to mapper any/all worlds 21:20 * Jordach might try to make a lua main menu tab for this 21:21 DanDuncombe PortablePeacock: If it was integrated into Minetest that would be awesome 21:21 VanessaE brb 21:21 PortablePeacock seriously lol would save alot of trouble with command line stuff 21:21 Jordach Evergreen_: using quassel? 21:21 Evergreen_ Yup 21:21 Jordach you stole my idea! 21:21 DanDuncombe PortablePeacock: My MT_Mapper is not command line 21:22 PortablePeacock in fact, if it were saved in the same location, public server list could show a "preview" of the server this way 21:22 * Jordach likes 21:22 Uberi oh man that would be amazing 21:22 DanDuncombe Yeah, although you would need a huge colors.txt 21:22 * Jordach drools 21:22 DanDuncombe For every mod of every server 21:22 Jordach just ask VanessaE 21:22 Jordach :P 21:23 DanDuncombe My Mapper uses her colors.txt anyway 21:23 Uberi yeah if it exists, VanessaE's server probably has it 21:23 Evergreen I'm working on an insect mod pack 21:23 Evergreen I'm going to release (hopefully) on my 1000th post 21:23 Jordach wooo 21:23 * Jordach has way more than that 21:24 DanDuncombe What do you think? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6955 21:24 Evergreen Ik. :P 21:24 Jordach Fun fact: me and sfan5 raced to the 1000th post mark 21:24 * sfan5 still remembers that 21:24 sfan5 who won? 21:24 Jordach you did 21:24 PortablePeacock very gay, tape Miss Brahms1 :p 21:24 Jordach by 8 posts 21:24 PortablePeacock *! 21:24 sfan5 :D 21:25 Evergreen Can someone ping me? Just want to know what it sounds like. 21:25 sfan5 !sfu *gay* 21:25 MinetestBot sfan5: No Results found 21:25 sfan5 ? 21:25 PortablePeacock damn 80% kwwyboard 21:25 PortablePeacock damnit 21:25 Jordach Evergreen: sup 21:25 PortablePeacock *keyboard 21:25 Evergreen Hey 21:25 Evergreen :P 21:25 DanDuncombe I an 45th in the number of posts list 21:25 Jordach if i find linux mint any good, i'm using it from then on \o/ 21:25 kaeza it would be relatively easy to add a Tkinter frontend to the python mapperthe python mapper 21:26 PortablePeacock id hate to be #2 :P 21:26 kaeza eh lol paste fail :P 21:26 jojoa1997 what do you mean 80% 21:26 Evergreen Hoe do you use the python minetestmapper? 21:27 Evergreen *How 21:27 DanDuncombe Like the C++ one I suppose 21:27 Uberi oh my goodness 3d apples 21:27 DanDuncombe I am not sure though if commands are the same. 21:27 PortablePeacock 80% = netbook keyboard 21:28 DanDuncombe PortablePeacock: I have only ever used my netbook keyboard all my life pretty much. 21:28 PortablePeacock i used to be used to it 3 yrs ago when these were new here 21:28 PortablePeacock but i was hardly ever home back then lol 21:29 Evergreen Nvm, figure it out 21:29 Evergreen *figured 21:30 Evergreen Imo, apples look like cherries 21:31 PortablePeacock apples dont be looking like apples 21:31 sfan5 someone look at this statistic: http://i.imgur.com/BtIsZ2u.png 21:32 Evergreen Someone needs to update clors.txt 21:32 Evergreen *colors.txt 21:33 VanessaE I have an extensive one already available 21:33 LazyJ Use VanessaE 21:33 LazyJ Use VanessaE 21:33 LazyJ Ahhkkk 21:33 VanessaE (streets and moreblocks/stairsplus support need updated though) 21:33 LazyJ http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/colors.txt 21:33 LazyJ There! 21:33 VanessaE that's the one. 21:34 LazyJ Typing at a strange angle to the keyboard is... challenging. 21:35 LazyJ Of course I could turn and face the keyboard but noooo. I'm too stubborn for that. Oy. 21:35 PortablePeacock I have an extensive one already available 21:35 PortablePeacock me too 21:35 Jordach holy shit mint runs like greased weasel shit 21:36 PortablePeacock what else have you used that for? 21:36 PilzAdam Jordach, nice to see you at the good side of the OS universe again :-) 21:36 DanDuncombe Jordach:Not if you follow Calinou's instructions to update Minetest 21:36 Jordach PilzAdam: live session user 21:37 DanDuncombe sfan5: Will you include mt_mapper in yuor builds? 21:38 * Jordach wonders if blender will be faster 21:39 sfan5 DanDuncombe: maybe 21:39 Jordach fuck nouveau 21:39 Jordach nvidia driver ftw 21:39 sfan5 Jordach: tip: do not use nouveau 21:39 DanDuncombe Thanks sfan5 21:39 PortablePeacock nouveau can fuck itself XD 21:40 sfan5 nouveau fucks up everything on my system 21:40 sfan5 with nouveau no graphical thing works 21:40 PortablePeacock nouveau = a fucking fuck (Lord of War) 21:40 sfan5 it tries to do a thing with nvidia optimus 21:41 sfan5 good night everyon' 21:41 PortablePeacock ATI (original) drivers ftw 21:41 PortablePeacock aswelll 21:41 Jordach ATI = Bucket of SHIT 21:41 PortablePeacock * as well 21:42 PortablePeacock meh, newer radeon HD pretty decent, i use that to watch BR movies 21:42 Jordach brazilian movies?! 21:43 PortablePeacock bluray lol not pron 21:43 Evergreen Sorry, thank you VanessaE 21:44 * Jordach tests blender 21:45 Evergreen How long did it take you to make that colors.txt? It should be merged imo 21:47 Vazon_ hay everyone 21:47 Jordach hey* 21:47 Vazon_ Well could some tell me how to fix server lag 21:49 Vazon_ *someone 21:50 sfan5 Vazon_: have you searched the forum? 21:50 Vazon_ no i guess that would be a good idea tho XD 21:52 Jordach Vazon_: server lag is based on the server's processing power and bandwidth 21:52 sapier1 I'm looking for temperature records in mt woods I have 84C now anyone more? :-) 21:52 Jordach sapier1: i get -47 on singlenode 21:52 * Jordach cant wait for MGV7 21:52 PortablePeacock Evergreen lookat builtin/misc_register, you can insert a function that registers colors there 21:53 sapier1 is this used anywhere? 21:53 DanDuncombe Could someone make a Thermometer/Hygrometer mod that shows temp/humidity with a craftitem? 21:53 sapier1 seems to be random what temperature is where 21:53 * sfan5 got -2871C with 78% humudity once 21:53 sapier1 you can see it in debug build hud but of course you could make a mod too 21:54 sapier1 oh thats roughly 2500° below absolute zero :-) 21:54 DanDuncombe I got 97% Humidity down a cave once 21:54 PortablePeacock -2871c? 21:54 DanDuncombe I looked at the debug 21:55 PilzAdam sapier1, only in Minetest (TM) 21:55 PortablePeacock sweet black jesus, thats pretty hot :P 21:55 PortablePeacock there should be a min/max of -30c/50c :P 21:56 sfan5 max of 50c? sure... 21:56 DanDuncombe But lava would be 50c then 21:56 PortablePeacock though you can google the real min/max of earth temperatures 21:56 sapier1 of course pa but do we really need our own scale ? :-) 21:56 PilzAdam the max is about 50°C, min is something about -40°C 21:56 PilzAdam IRL, that is 21:58 PortablePeacock well i would put the coldest temps at map edges, to keep people from developing/farming that area 21:58 sapier1 btw eath lowest temperature is ~-90°C 21:59 PortablePeacock i wouldnt want to live there lol 21:59 sapier1 antarctica 21:59 sapier1 thats below carbon dioxide freezing temperature too ;) 22:00 DanDuncombe Clean air then 22:00 sapier1 maximum is ~60°C 22:00 sapier1 I guess it's heating up there too atm 22:01 PortablePeacock well the earth is def. going through some weather changes 22:01 PortablePeacock hard to deny with the weird heat waves weve had in Quebec 22:01 PortablePeacock usually we get 30c weather for a day or two, not a week or two :p 22:03 PortablePeacock though it's said that the Vikings colonized north america when the weather was alot hotter than it is now so.. 22:06 * Jordach pets GParted 22:06 PortablePeacock i dont really mind, id love to move to the Yukon so long as the weather keeps getting warmer :p 22:08 Vazon_ DanDun are you there? 22:09 proller sapier1, dig deep and find 120+ 22:10 proller or fly up and find -120.. 22:10 Jordach PilzAdam: installing linux mint 22:10 sapier1 ok that's ok temperature records I told were surface temps 22:10 PilzAdam all this weather stuff is way too ungeneric 22:10 PilzAdam all these things are hardcoded 22:11 PortablePeacock linux mint? 22:11 Jordach think ubuntu without the shitness 22:11 PortablePeacock dude, go with crunchbang 22:11 PilzAdam Jordach, what DE? 22:11 Jordach PilzAdam: Cinnamon 22:11 proller PilzAdam, base temp getted from heat noise, its can be adjusted, but have now very wrong defaults 22:11 Uberi ever tried Elementary? 22:12 proller PilzAdam, in future i want to make biome-defined temp spread 22:13 Jordach proller: go play with the powder toy on heat vision mode 22:13 Jordach (with ambiant temp enabled and THEN learn how heat spreads) 22:25 Sokomine hi bas 22:26 Evergreen Hi Sokomine 22:27 Sokomine hi evergreen 22:40 * kaeza hands jordach and uppercase 'J' 22:40 * jordach is still setting up mint 22:45 aldobr hi all 22:45 aldobr kaeza: the thing worked 22:45 kaeza \o/ 22:45 kaeza screenies? :3 22:46 aldobr http://tinypic.com/r/288cwhj/5 22:47 aldobr a cilinder printed 22:47 aldobr resolution is poor 22:47 aldobr and i believe binvox will give better results 22:48 aldobr i printed a 50mm cone 22:48 aldobr woaa the thing spawned from 0 to 1000 heigth :P 22:48 aldobr like a huge montain of mese 22:51 NakedFury could you do a tutorial on using that mod you and jin xi did? 22:51 aldobr yes 22:51 NakedFury jinxi does awesome stuff and then I dont see him for weeks or months 22:52 aldobr he adapted the thing for voxelmanip 22:52 aldobr but i cant test because i use 0.4.7 22:52 aldobr on 0.4.7 it uses add_node for each block, its slooooow 22:53 aldobr a cone of clay : http://tinypic.com/r/m8o3g5/5 22:54 kaeza that looks cool 22:55 aldobr basically you use sclic3r to turn a .stl file into a .gcode file compatible with reprap 22:55 aldobr then feed the gcode to the mod 22:56 aldobr /reprap ,,,, 23:00 bas0801 Will not load: /usr/share/minetest/games/common/mods/default 23:00 bas0801 How can that be resolved? 23:00 VanessaE don't use common :P 23:00 bas0801 i do not use common mods 23:00 bas0801 I asked the minetestserver to start another --gameid 23:01 bas0801 How can i disable the use of common? 23:02 bas0801 maybe i'm just running an old version of minetest 23:02 VanessaE just update to something recent 23:02 VanessaE common was phased out ages ago 23:04 bas080 Ok. am updating. Getting an old laptop to run my server as this pc's wireless is horrible. 23:07 aldobr whats the status of minetest binvox integration ? 23:08 jin_xi i think mauvebic/Peacock has used binvox or something like it to import huge models 23:09 aldobr i want to write a binvox importer 23:09 aldobr but one that builds slowly, not to overload the server 23:09 aldobr something that could be used in public servers 23:10 Peacock GPL 23:11 aldobr this gcode interpreter is too fast for public servers 23:13 Peacock if you wanna use binvox, you need to use the version to which the source is available 23:16 Peacock and then, you need to read the binary data :P 23:16 aldobr from binvox site 23:16 aldobr its simple rle compression 23:17 Evergreen I'm going to be watching startrek, so afk 23:19 Peacock is watching ST VOY right now :p 23:35 Exio4 dammit 23:36 Exio4 this network: when i don't need to do anything, 350kb/s, now what i want it to be faster, 50kb/s 23:36 * kaeza puts a pony on Exio4's head 23:36 * Exio4 burns kaeza's body 23:36 * Peacock puts a mercedes on Exio4's head 23:37 aldobr i will write a nodebox generator 23:37 kaeza Exio4, murphy's law? 23:38 kaeza no wait, that was not it 23:39 XeroZero Heyo. 23:41 kaeza !up 200.127.96.9 23:41 MinetestBot 200.127.96.9:30000 seems to be down 23:41 kaeza :< 23:42 kaeza hi 23:42 Exio4 !kick kaeza 23:42 Exio4 hi XeroZero 23:42 kaeza Exio4, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6941 23:42 Exio4 what is it? 23:42 jordach okay, in UTC, it's now tomorrow 23:42 Exio4 i don't have a browser yet 23:42 * jordach changes topic 23:42 jordach sugggestions? 23:42 Jordach !op 23:43 kaeza Exio4, "SERVIDOR SUDAMERICA Y ESPAÑA" 23:43 Exio4 seems legit 23:43 Exio4 lol Jordach 23:44 Exio4 kaeza: estoy desde el sempron btw :D 23:44 Exio4 lo tengo un toquesito OCeado y estoy instalando debian ^^ 23:45 Jordach !op 23:46 kaeza como funca eso? 23:46 Jordach !deop 23:46 Jordach better, 23:46 kaeza wat