Time Nick Message 00:01 Jordach i giggled as well 00:01 hoodedice Linus Torvalds said: 00:01 hoodedice "If you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, and should fix your program. " 00:01 hoodedice src/localplayer.cpp ; line 178 00:02 PilzAdam he also said: "nvidia, fuck you!" 00:02 hoodedice Indeed 00:03 hoodedice But this is in minetest source code 00:03 hoodedice https://github.com/WilliamBundy/minetest/blob/228ec338393d3312f12a94769b8cf6a5bb9e6568/src/localplayer.cpp#L178 00:05 Jordach VanessaE, what i spotted was very suspicious: http://i.imgur.com/WVOlOZc.png <- my test, slamacow's model -> http://i.imgur.com/v4VwRel.png 00:05 Jordach see my model's inside elbow joint has that "crease" which is also spotted on slamacow's own model 00:05 VanessaE probably just a coincidence 00:06 hoodedice Means one thing 00:06 Jordach VanessaE, nope, that's a mesh bug 00:06 hoodedice BLENDER IS AWESOME ! 00:06 Peacock torvalds = geezer 00:06 Jordach i noticed it in pavel's model too 00:06 Jordach there is no way of physically removing it 00:06 PilzAdam we get a new TOTD! (topic of the day) 00:07 Jordach i do have one idea right at this second 00:07 PilzAdam !op 00:07 VanessaE huh. 00:07 PilzAdam !deop 00:07 Jordach VanessaE, he's jsut cleverly hid it with tons of mesh lines 00:07 * PilzAdam hands NekoGloop a fish 00:07 * NekoGloop noms the fishy~ 00:08 NekoGloop All of the pings. ALL OF THEM! 00:08 Peacock fish? he's into sushi? NekoGloop, I thought you were a baccalà man 00:08 Peacock (oblig. sopranos quote) 00:08 NekoGloop No, I eat raw fish 00:09 Peacock i wouldn't eat raw anything, not with all those reports of listerine tainting 00:10 Jordach VanessaE, now you know why i use my super bendy arms until i find a fix? 00:10 sdzen I burn everything out of choice 00:10 VanessaE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir9Uvn5rcIs 00:10 VanessaE BAHAHAHA 00:10 VanessaE Jordach: sure 00:11 Jordach VanessaE, these are better with sound 00:11 VanessaE hm, we need better sounds actually 00:11 * VanessaE watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kzN3tgpUk 00:11 VanessaE are those sounds accurate for MC? 00:12 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/oHg5SJYRHA0 00:12 hoodedice PilzAdam changed the topic of #minetest 00:12 hoodedice Changed from what? 00:12 Jordach correct VanessaE 00:12 hoodedice oh. 00:12 VanessaE Jordach: we must fix our sounds. 00:13 sdzen nice rick rolling pilzy 00:13 * hoodedice gives NekoGloop carrots 00:13 Jordach VanessaE, well, some of them are true, some of them not 00:13 sdzen I memorized the link to that evil video 00:13 hoodedice Hey Pilz, nice song 00:16 hoodedice I shared it on my google+ 00:16 hoodedice And now people are like 'You can't get me haha' and stuff 00:17 Jordach > google+ > GOOGLE+ 00:17 * Jordach rages silently 00:17 * PilzAdam slaps hoodedice with ixquick.com 00:17 Jordach loll 00:17 PilzAdam Mission Complete 00:17 hoodedice I have an android 00:18 hoodedice spied anyway 00:18 Peacock i have android too http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mvSWPkVG6zc/TLS3Xbkjd4I/AAAAAAAADQE/jKTy_ArHNjo/s400/data-phone2.jpg 00:19 PilzAdam the black guy has google glasses 00:19 hoodedice Does it play shadowgun? 00:19 hoodedice I guess not. 00:19 Peacock the ipad also looks like the star trek pads lol 00:20 Jordach Peacock, star trek did it first 00:20 Jordach Jordie's Headset looks like GG 00:20 Peacock and Riker did everyone first 00:20 Jordach (Google Glass) 00:20 PilzAdam Jordie's Headset looks like Good Game 00:21 Peacock www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeyr7DKHZu4 00:21 Jordach !!title 00:22 Jordach 00:23 * Jordach is working out how to do the mouth with 4 bones a side 00:24 Peacock there's seriously a species on stargate called Assgarde, lol 00:25 Jordach Assguardian 00:26 Jordach oh cool, ass sentries 00:26 Peacock i never could get into that show 00:26 * Jordach makes some voxely teeth 00:26 Peacock have you seen the actors? lol 00:27 hoodedice http://www.whatevo.com/media/posts/the-pope-emperor1.jpg 00:28 Peacock then again, it doesn't beat the humans on Angel 1 on star trek lol 00:28 hoodedice It's Agard 00:28 hoodedice *Asgard 00:29 Peacock yeah but it sounds like... lol 00:31 VanessaE this slamacow guy is good. Too bad he doesn't do anything "feature length" 00:31 VanessaE e.g. 10-15 mins 00:32 Jordach VanessaE, i'm just getting started 00:32 * Jordach needs a machine that can render while i do other things 00:32 Jordach VanessaE, would you like to render some of my render films, eg, just press the movie render button (settings should be saved) 00:32 Peacock for your daily WTF: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0z_7bKm258 00:32 VanessaE naw 00:33 VanessaE I don't know wtf I'm doing when it comes to that :) 00:34 Jordach right, mouth armature in place, weight painting then mouth movement tests 00:34 hoodedice Peacock rofl 00:34 Jordach VanessaE, i'm making an open source player model (way better than pavel_s') 00:34 VanessaE cool 00:35 Jordach this is my challenge, upgrade my gen 3 model to have a fully working feature set 00:35 VanessaE challenge accepted? :) 00:39 Jordach VanessaE, experiment #1 http://i.imgur.com/rNwHIZ3.png 00:39 Jordach it's FLAT against the body of the model :) 00:40 VanessaE uh 00:40 hoodedice No 00:40 VanessaE definitely no 00:40 VanessaE that's....creepy 00:41 Jordach VanessaE, i'll be forced to work with nodes 00:41 Jordach (blender nodes) 00:41 Jordach and cycles!! 00:41 Jordach (which doesnt work with my nvidia card) :( 00:41 hoodedice You'll have to do nodes 00:42 Jordach fuck that shit 00:42 hoodedice Any sort of 'pulling' will give it a crap look 00:42 hoodedice Like the arms 00:42 hoodedice Seperate it 00:43 hoodedice What's your latest model look like? 00:43 hoodedice https://plus.google.com/u/0/108010412683330543463/posts/SuSbfukw2Br 00:43 hoodedice (AWWWWWW) 00:44 PilzAdam dont use google 00:44 hoodedice facebook then? 00:44 hoodedice Microcrap 00:45 Jordach hoodedice, let me revert the subdivisions then (with dissolve as blender didnt want me to undo it for some reason) 00:45 Jordach literal un-subdivide btw 00:46 hoodedice Diaspora? 00:46 hoodedice *Ghost Twon* 00:46 hoodedice **Ghost Town* 00:47 Jordach hm, i think i have a idea, if it fucks up, i'll reload the blend file 00:48 hoodedice "Disney shuts down LucasArts" 00:48 hoodedice ZWIZ YOU !!!! 00:49 Peacock naw JJ abrams is gonna have Khan invade Coruscant 00:51 VanessaE haha 00:51 Jordach VanessaE, name the problems with the mouth 00:51 Peacock www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2zpDpZ90cM 00:51 VanessaE Jordach: "Backups, checks etc. This would not happen." 00:51 * Jordach needs to know 00:52 VanessaE Jordach: too narrow (side to side), too thin, no lips, too light inside, teeth are just wrong 00:52 VanessaE too angular for the opening also 00:52 VanessaE (note those videos have very detailed mouths) 00:52 Jordach VanessaE, i'm using shadeless blender mode to see inside places where light wouldnt normally go :) 00:52 VanessaE ohhh 00:53 VanessaE let's see it with "real" lighting? 00:53 Jordach that's why the render looked wrong 00:54 Jordach hm, with shadows, it looks wrong (the eyes) 00:55 hoodedice And licencing to EA ! 00:55 hoodedice http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ 00:56 Jordach hoodedice, VanessaE: should i keep going until we find something we like? 00:56 hoodedice Sure 00:56 hoodedice Now get on with it 00:56 Jordach eventually we'll hit that sweet spot 00:56 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/jtL06RM.png 00:56 Jordach ^ ray traced shadows 00:56 hoodedice Talking or chatting wastes time 00:57 hoodedice Give Sam some coffee 00:57 VanessaE Jordach: oh yeah, actually that looks about right, with the shadows. 00:57 VanessaE (and indeed, give the poor guy some caffeine ;) ) 00:57 Jordach hold on.. 00:59 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/bTLLcmQ.png 00:59 Jordach any better? 00:59 VanessaE I said "some", not a whole POT FULL! :D 01:00 Jordach Jordach:Give_Sam_coffee(100) 01:00 Jordach (and indeed, give the poor guy some caffeine ;) ) 01:00 Jordach injection to the blood = that 01:00 VanessaE lol 01:00 Jordach hoodedice, any suggestions 01:01 hoodedice Get him some dark textures 01:01 hoodedice And a hood 01:01 Jordach hoodedice, dafuq 01:01 hoodedice Then make a star wars Parody 01:01 hoodedice with this guy as that bald guy who controls darth vader 01:01 VanessaE "that bald guy"!? 01:01 VanessaE that's ANAKIN you nit 01:02 Jordach Did you mean: Palpatine 01:02 hoodedice Make the eyes level, then we'll talk 01:02 hoodedice Anakin is Darth -.- 01:02 VanessaE (and he doesn't "control" Vader, but rather IS Vader) 01:02 hoodedice Palpatine. 01:02 hoodedice w/e 01:02 hoodedice Never saw the movies (Still a SW fan) 01:02 hoodedice *an 01:03 hoodedice Uhumm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpatine 01:03 VanessaE Darth Sidious 01:03 hoodedice (...master of Darth Vader...) 01:03 Jordach any better: http://i.imgur.com/40cGgf3.png 01:03 VanessaE Jordach: give him a o.O look :) 01:04 Menche could the eyelids be made flush with the front of his face? 01:04 VanessaE http://www.crazyabouttv.com/Images/dexterslaboratory.jpg 01:04 VanessaE about like that 01:05 PilzAdam bye 01:05 Jordach shit, ended up maing him smile 01:06 hoodedice (I'm not talking) 01:28 Peacock finally done lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105325#p105325 01:28 VanessaE not bad 01:29 VanessaE pretty close to the original, and the original hasn't even been built yet! :) 01:29 Peacock still gotta do the 4x4 balconies, but most of the tough/long bits are done lol 01:29 Peacock if i ever start anything this complicated again, shoot me lol 01:30 VanessaE haha 01:30 Peacock actually, my next one is another MVRDV :S lol 01:30 Peacock http://www.dysturb.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mvrdv2.bmp 01:30 VanessaE *BANG!* 01:30 VanessaE :) 01:31 Peacock but not tonight lol 01:31 VanessaE you should be building some of this stuff on my server :) 01:32 Peacock some of the bits are pretty slow on localhost lol can't imagine as a client 01:32 MarkSill I'm working on a modding API that'll add advanced things more easily, if anyone wants to check it out. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105321 01:33 Peacock the more of these i do, the less and less i use w/e, theyre just too complicated 01:33 Peacock rectangles are easy, its all the shaping and chiseling lol 01:34 VanessaE Peacock: gives you an excuse to hone your build-by-hand skills :) 01:34 Peacock well it helps when i have a pic to look at, cuz i can follow plans easily enough 01:35 Peacock photomographic memory and all lol 01:36 Peacock well, i got a mountain of dishes ive been putting off all day lol bbl 01:38 VanessaE so? 01:39 VanessaE that's what dishwashers are for :) 01:46 kaeza VanessaE, +1 (#-dev) 01:46 kaeza which mod are we talking about here BTW? 01:47 VanessaE kaeza: I've seen it with several mods, most recently DanDuncombe's prefab concrete 01:47 kaeza (assuming there is one :P) 01:47 kaeza ah 01:47 VanessaE it's great that people use github and the like, but always always always always point to the repo, not just the zipball 01:48 kaeza indeed, makes code review a bit easier 01:50 * kaeza also tosses the random suggestion to require direct links to archives (e.g. no adfly, no Dropbox "sharing", ...) 01:50 VanessaE yes 01:50 VanessaE agreed 01:54 Niften_ Hey. 01:55 VanessaE hi 01:58 Niften_ Anyone out there know about a Minetest working texture pack converter? 01:58 Niften_ I looked on the forums; they took one down. There's only one left and it needs Ruby to run. 01:58 Niften_ I don't know how to use Ruby. 01:58 Niften_ Anyone have any ideas? 02:01 Niften_ Nvm just found it :D:D:D 02:02 Tesseract I have one, but it uses the old (<1.5) format. 02:06 Niften_ Really? 02:06 Niften_ Okay 02:06 Niften_ I'll take it 02:06 Niften_ Can I use it? 02:06 Niften_ @ Tesseract 02:06 Niften_ The one I found is for Linux. :[ 02:09 Niften_ Tesseract ? 02:17 Niften_ Tesseract, please. 02:21 NekoGloop WILL YOU JUST SHUT UP. 02:27 Niften_ @ NekoGloop Calm down. 02:27 Niften_ ^^ 02:27 NekoGloop The enter key does not dispense candy 02:28 Kacey heh 02:29 bud what is the link for the do not enter sign and such? 02:30 Tesseract Oh, yes, it works on windows but requires python and PIL. 02:34 Niften_ Okay Tesseract. 02:34 Niften_ Can you link me to it? 02:34 Niften_ Or email it to me at niftenstarblaze@gmail.com 02:36 Tesseract One minute... 02:41 Tesseract Niften_: shadowninja.minetest.net/tc.zip 02:42 Niften_ Aye, thanks. 02:42 Niften_ Does it work on Windows Tesseract ? 02:42 Tesseract Niften_: Yes, if you have python and PIL installed. 02:42 Niften_ Okay. 02:42 Niften_ PIL? 02:43 Niften_ Tesseract: Where do I run the converter? 02:44 Tesseract Niften_: Anywhere, first you have to unzip the MC pack. Then run python texture-convert.py --help 02:47 Niften_ So, there is no specified folder to run it in? Like, in the \Textures\Blocks folder? or just in the main folder of the texturepack Tesseract ? 02:49 Tesseract Niften_: It won't work with new-style texture packs that use the textures/ folder. 02:49 Niften_ oh... so it works by dividing the pack.png or whatever? 02:50 Tesseract You run python texture-convert.py -i -o 02:50 Tesseract Yes. 02:51 Niften_ Ah. 02:53 Niften_ Downloading PIL xD 02:58 * sdzen runs clearobjects on his server and watches as the monitor turns black three fans engage and the CPU overloads 02:58 sdzen well this thing wont be usable for the next month 03:00 Menche at least clearobjects' memory usage doesn't run away and crash now 03:02 hoodedice Anyone? 03:02 hoodedice Peacock : server? 03:02 Peacock up 03:04 hoodedice Know any games like STAR WARS : Rogue Squadron? 03:04 hoodedice Or StarFox? 03:04 Peacock long time ago yeah lol 03:05 hoodedice Still the best aircraft shooting games 03:05 hoodedice (After you ignore Ace Combat, that is) 03:05 hoodedice Look at this 03:05 hoodedice http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Rogue-Squadron-nintendo-64/dp/B00000DMB2 03:05 hoodedice #price 03:06 Peacock early-mid 90s there was this starwars game i played, graphics were shitty by today's standards 03:06 hoodedice What kind? 03:06 Peacock tried playing goldeneye on an n64 emulator, but the controls were crap on the computer 03:06 Peacock starwars game? it was cockpit of xwing or tie fighter 03:06 hoodedice X WING vs TIE FIGHTER. 03:07 hoodedice I had the original cd 03:07 Peacock there was this other game, i think it was called descent 03:07 hoodedice But dad never got me a joystick 03:07 Peacock i never could play with joysticks (any game) 03:07 Peacock im the kind that breaks those things (and controllers) rather easily lol 03:08 Peacock the type who jerks the controller to right when turning even though back then it didn't do anything lol 03:08 Peacock i get a kick out of watching youtube vids of people flying wii remotes into their plasma screens and busting those huge TVs tho lol 03:11 sdzen haha! thats why I use the little strap 03:16 Peacock ive always hated consoles though lol grow up constantly blowing into catridges to clear the dust and youll get why lol 03:17 Peacock and friends taking off with good catridges and leaving you donkey kong, i had 3 or 4 of those in the end lol 03:17 sdzen haha 03:17 sdzen I beat donkey kong in a half hour I think 03:18 Peacock anyone ever had a colecovision? 03:18 * sdzen hears crickets 03:18 Peacock haha 03:18 Peacock first console 03:18 sdzen I've.... heard of it :) 03:18 Peacock http://emulators.theoldcomputer.com/images/manufacturers_systems/Coleco/ColecoVision/28894coleco-vision.system.jpg 03:18 Peacock when they broke, we pretended the controllers were phones lol 03:19 VanessaE heh 03:19 VanessaE Abe used to have one of those actually 03:19 Peacock wonder if he remembers playing ladybug 03:20 Peacock http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s0SSX3Y2JTw/TBAaCGHrTlI/AAAAAAAAGCI/1SXqR3T5hh4/s320/coleco+kong.jpg 03:23 VanessaE yes, he remembered. 03:23 Peacock http://videogamecritic.com/images/coleco/time_pilot.gif 03:23 VanessaE remembers* 03:24 Peacock time pilot was one of my favs lol 03:24 Peacock duck hunt too 03:25 khonkhortisan I found the "enable ipv6" checkbox while I was upgrading my computer, now minetest runs 03:26 khonkhortisan After reinstalling libXxf86vm to fix a symlink, that is. 03:28 * khonkhortisan heard crickets recently as well, it's unlike this area. 03:30 Peacock lol its not you its the ipv6, i have a hard enough time getting networkmanager to work :P 03:33 kaeza Duck Hunt <3 03:34 kaeza actually played that on the NES 03:34 Peacock finally figured out what that big slot was for: 03:34 Peacock http://ann.hollowdreams.com/supplies/adambox.jpg 04:12 hoodedice Peacock? 04:14 VanessaE [08-12 23:34] http://ann.hollowdreams.com/supplies/adambox.jpg 04:14 VanessaE [08-12 23:48] * Peacock has quit (Quit: Leaving) 04:20 VanessaE bbl 04:58 Smellybut Hello Hello 04:59 Smellybut How do I type in Chinese in game 04:59 Smellybut all it comes up as is ???????? 04:59 Smellybut a bunch of question marks 05:00 Smellybut 測試 05:00 Smellybut It works here 05:00 Smellybut Why not in game? 05:00 Smellybut Am I doing something wrong 05:01 Smellybut VanessaE your smart lol 05:02 Smellybut You're* 05:04 Smellybut Can someone help me? 05:05 Smellybut :( 05:11 Smellybut I guess I will just log off 05:11 Smellybut Maybe latter someone will be around :/ lol 05:14 hoodedice ... 06:07 VanessaE meh, can't sleep. as usual. 06:15 * khonkhortisan gives NekoGloop http://media-cache-ak1.pinimg.com/236x/01/9f/05/019f0509b3223a777cb0581c25e50c31.jpg 06:16 VanessaE dafuq? 06:16 VanessaE that looks oddly familiar somehow 06:20 khonkhortisan mc escher look-alike 06:21 VanessaE that's what I thought 07:30 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Remove farmesh c8930850e3 2013-08-13T00:25:13-07:00 http://git.io/jU7lfQ 07:43 VanessaE i really HATE COMPUTERS! 07:43 VanessaE my other HDD is failing now *growl* 07:44 VanessaE (fortunately, spinning rust is cheap to replace) 07:47 kaeza VanessaE, lol 07:47 kaeza I was modifying homedecor as you were commenting on the topic 07:50 kaeza also, sorry for opening a pull request :P 07:50 kaeza I remembered too late I had push rights to homedecor :P 07:50 VanessaE fuck it, just push :) 07:50 VanessaE exactly, like that 07:51 kaeza it's on anyway https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/commit/b0cbea42e0ad16a4c1e0c06135bbf806bda32676 07:55 VanessaE show that repo who's boss :D 07:56 kaeza reading up a bit how to do proper mergin and rebasing :P 07:56 kaeza +g 07:56 VanessaE oh boy... 07:56 VanessaE dare I ask what for? :) 07:56 kaeza all I know how to do is squash some commits 07:56 VanessaE should I back up my repos? :D 07:56 kaeza maybe :D 07:57 kaeza nah, I usually push to my personal repo to see if everything is in order 07:57 VanessaE lol 07:58 kaeza I fucked up a few times working on IRC mod ;_; 07:58 VanessaE you fucked up once or twice on homedecor also ;) 07:58 kaeza that too :P 07:58 VanessaE but that's ok 07:58 VanessaE I can't say I've gone very long between bad commits myself :) 07:59 kaeza hehe 08:00 kaeza nah, but I have seen no major fyckup in there 08:00 kaeza fyck? 08:00 VanessaE heh 08:00 VanessaE russian for fuck? ;) 08:00 kaeza LOL 08:03 * VanessaE goes back to watching cartoons :) 08:07 VanessaE (Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, in case you're curious. and if you don't like that, you can ... ahem) 08:07 * VanessaE <--- 5 year old at heart 08:08 kaeza lol 08:10 * kaeza prefers old Disney cartoons: Duck Tales (or whatever the name is in english), Darkwing Duck, Gummy Bears, ... 08:12 VanessaE that's what we called it here, too. 08:12 VanessaE Talespin was one of my favorites from that era too :) 08:29 meldrian Good Morning everbody :) 08:29 VanessaE morning 08:49 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Lefthanders' Day! :-D 08:49 PenguinDad Today isn't my day :D 08:50 JamesTait Me neither. 08:52 PenguinDad Fun fact: Monkeys are mostly Lefthanders. 08:52 VanessaE it's my husband's day then :D 08:52 JamesTait PenguinDad, really? 08:53 PenguinDad I've seen it on TV 08:54 JamesTait Must be true then. 09:03 PenguinDad Thats true: http://v.gd/0EaGJb 09:14 VanessaE haha 09:39 kaeza yey chromium crashed again 09:41 Calinou chromium never crashes for me 09:43 sfan5 !c 800*800 09:43 MinetestBot 640 000 09:43 sfan5 !c 640000/1024 09:43 MinetestBot 625 09:43 sfan5 !c 640000/1024*2 09:43 MinetestBot 1250 09:43 sfan5 !c 640000/1024 09:43 MinetestBot 625 09:43 sfan5 !c 640000/1024/1024 09:43 MinetestBot 0.610351562 09:43 sfan5 !c (640000/1024/1024)*2 09:43 MinetestBot 1.22070312 09:44 PenguinDad sfan5: /msg MinetestBot !c 09:44 sfan5 I'm already done calculating what I wanted 10:40 DanDuncombe Is timespeed 1 normal speed? 10:40 VanessaE 72 I think is the norm. 10:40 DanDuncombe Ok, thanks. 10:40 VanessaE 0 stops time entirely 10:41 DanDuncombe Did you get the PM on the forum from me just now? 10:41 VanessaE nope, haven't checked :) 10:41 DanDuncombe Ok 10:41 PenguinDad DanDuncombe: 1 is real time speed 10:41 DanDuncombe Okay,PenguinDad 10:42 VanessaE DanDuncombe: re: "invalid nodebox version", your client is out of date or you used an old one 10:42 DanDuncombe Which is the latest Windows version then? 10:42 VanessaE dunno :P 10:42 VanessaE http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-c893085-win32.7z 10:42 VanessaE try this one? 10:43 VanessaE *checks commit log* 10:43 DanDuncombe Okay,I will, thanks. 10:43 VanessaE that's current with git HEAD. 10:43 DanDuncombe Have you kept the electric fences on the server, but removed the damage? 10:43 VanessaE yup 10:43 VanessaE and HDX supports your mod already :) 10:43 DanDuncombe Thanks :) Working out the textures took ages. 10:45 DanDuncombe It took me ages to texture the fence end and corner, mainly because I am used to just making square textures, not custom ones for nodeboxes. 10:46 VanessaE I cheated a little and used yours as a template while making mine :) 10:46 DanDuncombe I don'tmind at all :) 10:46 VanessaE it was pretty simple - I already had glass, grass, concrete, and a yellow stripe pattern to work with from making them for default and technic mods 10:47 DanDuncombe The main problem is that unless there is support for the textures directly, a texture pack won't change the grass on the side of the concrete with grass. 10:47 VanessaE wanna bet? :) 10:47 VanessaE oh wait 10:47 VanessaE :) 10:47 VanessaE actually, you can easily fix that if you want to 10:47 DanDuncombe How? They are different resolutions so overlay won't work. 10:48 VanessaE er.... yeah 10:48 VanessaE good point :P 10:48 DanDuncombe I tried that already :( 10:48 Exio4 hi 10:48 DanDuncombe Still,it isn't hard to make the texture pack support the mod directly, I guess. 10:48 VanessaE yup, that part was easy 10:49 DanDuncombe Have you updated colors.txt to support camo mod? 10:49 VanessaE not yet 10:49 DanDuncombe Okay. 10:49 VanessaE I forgot :P 10:50 kaeza sup Exio4 10:50 Exio4 at school 10:50 Exio4 i will have to recode the tun manag kaeza :( 10:50 DanDuncombe Never buy Mc pocket edition- Buy survivalcraft, which is based on Mc pocket edition, but 2x the features, and half the price. It has no multiplayer though. 10:51 VanessaE screw all that :) 10:51 VanessaE I'll stick to free software 10:51 Exio4 bbl 10:52 DanDuncombe It is still awesome. I really meanit. 10:53 DanDuncombe Does anyone here play The Powder Toy? 10:53 Calinou Never buy Mc pocket edition- Buy survivalcraft, which is based on Mc pocket edition, but 2x the features, and half the price. It has no multiplayer though. 10:53 Calinou how are they "based on Mc pocket edition"? 10:53 * VanessaE dozes off a bit... 10:53 Calinou it is illegal to do so 10:54 DanDuncombe It is mostly the same recipes, but with more stuff added, better graphics and half the price. 10:55 VanessaE Calinou: illegal or not I'm still dozing off :P 10:55 VanessaE (jk) 10:55 DanDuncombe Doze away, Vanessa. 10:55 DanDuncombe Wedon'tmind. 10:55 DanDuncombe *We don't mind 10:56 DanDuncombe Does anyone play The Powder Toy then? 10:56 Calinou no 10:56 kaeza no 10:56 iqualfragile yaay, powdertoy 10:56 DanDuncombe It is free and awesome. 10:56 DanDuncombe My account is called DanDuncombe, if you want to see my stuff on it. 10:56 PenguinDad to dusty for me :P 10:57 DanDuncombe Main webpage: http://powdertoy.co.uk/Download.html 10:57 Calinou gtg 10:58 kaeza from the screens, looks like another Worms clone 10:58 DanDuncombe Never heard of Worms 10:58 kaeza ._. 10:58 iqualfragile kaeza: nope, absolutely not 10:59 DanDuncombe Look at the other screenshots too 10:59 DanDuncombe I have made several nuclear reactors 10:59 kaeza trying it anyway 11:00 DanDuncombe You should see BuysDB's reactors- they are totally awesome, especiallt his BWR reactor. 11:00 VanessaE "Please don't block the ads :(" <-- hey, here's a news flash for you: putting a site on the web is cheap. If you need to push ads, you're doing it wrong. 11:00 kaeza BTW, DanDuncombe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms_(series) 11:00 VanessaE (to the guy who made that site of course) 11:00 DanDuncombe kaeza- Absolutely nothing like that really. 11:01 DanDuncombe VanessaE, I still don't appear to be connecting. 11:01 VanessaE hm 11:01 VanessaE hold 11:02 VanessaE oh 11:02 VanessaE um, hang on a sec. 11:03 VanessaE dafuq// 11:04 VanessaE there we go 11:04 DanDuncombe VanessaE: 'putting a site on the web is cheap. If you need to push ads, you're doing it wrong.' It is a huge website, with the forum, wiki, download, every save ever made, which is alot, every person's account who has has one, and more. 11:04 VanessaE corrupted (zero'ed) player file. 11:04 thexyz VanessaE: hey, here's a news flash for you: you're wrong 11:04 VanessaE um, guys... 11:04 VanessaE I have a website I pay for. unlimited bandwidth, $10/mo. 11:05 thexyz VanessaE: how many visitors do you have? how much time did you spend creating it? 11:06 thexyz "unlimited bandwidth" is a nice buzzword though, can you link me your hosting provider? 11:06 DanDuncombe But the website is hosting 24592 pages of saves, each with 15 saves on it,plus accounts,wiki and more. 11:06 VanessaE thexyz: not that many visitors by count, but around 50-55 GB/month of usage of that means anything 11:07 VanessaE if* 11:07 thexyz oh, yeah, that's like what I have per day 11:07 VanessaE as for how much time, more than I can remember (but I coded 99% of it by hand) 11:08 DanDuncombe Also, on TPT website, I hadn't even noticed the ads anyway. 11:08 VanessaE either way, bandwidth is cheap and the web was NOT meant for ads. 11:08 DanDuncombe VanessaE, am I on your server now? 11:08 VanessaE lemme check 11:08 DanDuncombe It says I am but I'm not. 11:08 thexyz VanessaE: you're wrong 11:09 DanDuncombe I am always right. I order you to agree now. 11:09 thexyz VanessaE: so, I've built a website; and now I want to earn some moniez from it because I spent my time building it (and time == money), what do I do? 11:09 VanessaE DanDuncombe: yep, I see you online there 11:10 DanDuncombe thexyz: You buy some money. 11:10 thexyz let's say this website is quite useful and gathers about 3k unique visitors per day who spend 11min average on the site 11:10 VanessaE thexyz: how about...get a real job like the rest of the world does? (this is not to imply you don't already have one) 11:10 thexyz (or is that per visit?) 11:10 VanessaE in other words, time most definitely does NOT equal money unless you choose to equate it. 11:11 thexyz VanessaE: yeah, I have one; but I built this site and now it just eats my monies, so what's the reason to keep it? 11:11 PenguinDad thexyz: use flattr and paypal :P 11:12 VanessaE thexyz: there are a thousand reasons you could come up with to keep a website that costs you money, it's not like I can speak for you personally. 11:12 thexyz PenguinDad: yay, I have paypal donate button, but it doesn't even cover hosting costs 11:12 VanessaE I keep MY website because it works better for me than any other option. $10/mo is a worthwhile cost for me. 11:13 thexyz it serves about 1 million pageviews per month btw 11:13 VanessaE same reason some people have cable TV and others stick to OTA. 11:13 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:13 VanessaE morning PA 11:13 thexyz VanessaE: I don't get it though 11:13 sfan5 hi PA 11:13 thexyz VanessaE: also, can you link me to your hosting provider? 11:13 PenguinDad Hi PilzAdam 11:13 thexyz I'm interested in free unlimited bandwith 11:14 DanDuncombe VanessaE: There is a load of lava where I am, is it intentional? 11:14 thexyz so many funny things to do 11:14 VanessaE thexyz: hostgator.com, whom I believe is actually a reseller. 11:14 sfan5 ugh, hostgator 11:14 VanessaE DanDuncombe: most of that is, yes 11:14 VanessaE tI think 11:14 DanDuncombe Ok 11:14 VanessaE -t 11:14 thexyz VanessaE: they only offer "free bandwith" for "web hosting" 11:14 VanessaE hm, maybe not 11:15 VanessaE yes, and? 11:15 DanDuncombe Thanks for adding the prefab mod, BTW. 11:15 VanessaE sure, no prob. 11:15 thexyz though I love "unlimited disk space" 11:16 thexyz I can make a file hosting and pay 3.96$/month, for reals? 11:16 thexyz fuck mega, fuck dropbox 11:16 VanessaE I use it for file hosting and regular webhosting and they've never complained. 11:16 thexyz no, wait 11:16 VanessaE not that I use a metric fuckload of bandwidth like mega does. 11:17 thexyz https://gist.github.com/xyzz/f8cb46a7c8c60f584f31 11:17 thexyz image hostings are disallowed 11:17 thexyz even MUDs/RPGs are disallowed 11:17 thexyz seriously? 11:17 VanessaE maybe on the cheapest plan I guess, of course I don't use mine for that 11:18 thexyz anyway, VanessaE, please stop claiming that hosting is cheap 11:18 VanessaE look, I used to SELL hosting plans. 11:18 VanessaE I know how cheap it is. 11:18 thexyz > Examples of unacceptable material on all Shared and Reseller servers include 11:18 thexyz *all* 11:18 VanessaE maybe where YOU are from it costs out the ass, but not everywhere. 11:19 thexyz VanessaE: okay, so how about 1 gbps dedicated bandwidth? 11:19 PilzAdam thexyz, is there a reason why several entries are 2 times in that list? 11:19 VanessaE been too long since I did it. 11:20 thexyz PilzAdam: there are two lists 11:20 thexyz VanessaE: oh, that's bad 11:20 thexyz yeah, hosting is crazy cheap for my-kitten-websites 11:20 PilzAdam oh, right 11:21 thexyz but gather some visitors and you'll notice that neither free space nor free bandwith exist 11:22 * VanessaE sighs 11:22 thexyz yeah, yeah, now point me to a real free space OR free bandwith hosting plan to render my argument invalid 11:22 thexyz I don't even ask for both! 11:23 VanessaE when did I say free? 11:23 thexyz *unlimited? 11:24 thexyz oh, you said it's cheap 11:24 thexyz alright, so 11:24 thexyz how cheap is cheap? 11:24 VanessaE to me, $10/mo is cheap. 11:24 DanDuncombe Does anyone have the ability to export blends as .x, apart from Jordach? 11:24 thexyz VanessaE: no, no, how I'm talking about bandwith 11:25 thexyz this "hostgator" is bad, its list of disallowed things is way too long 11:25 thexyz and we're talking about websites in general, aren't we? 11:25 DanDuncombe If someone can export it,can they change this to .x please? No animations wanted. https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ognar0svx0kvmq/barge.blend 11:26 DanDuncombe It is quite simple. 11:26 DanDuncombe It's just I can't export .x with Blender on my laptop. 11:27 DanDuncombe Please, anyone? 11:28 VanessaE hm, looks to be about 2c per GB in larger quantities 11:28 thexyz how much is "larger quantities"? 11:29 VanessaE hard to find much data but the one site I found with some good numbers lists a 500TB commit, presumably that's the ISP's contract price for their peering arrangement. 11:29 DanDuncombe Please, someone? 11:30 VanessaE DanDuncombe: about all I know there is you have to load a plugin into blender to get .x exporting support 11:30 thexyz VanessaE: 500TB is way too much for my imaginary site 11:30 DanDuncombe It is built in, but you have to enable it in User Preferences. 11:30 VanessaE for the ISP I said. as in their price, not yours. 11:30 DanDuncombe But opening User Preferences doesn't work for me. 11:31 thexyz VanessaE: oh, okay, it'll cost even more for me 11:31 thexyz VanessaE: so what's wrong with website owners putting ads? 11:31 VanessaE roughly double that from what I've been seeing. 11:31 thexyz once again 11:31 thexyz I forgot it 11:31 VanessaE what's wrong? everything. 11:31 thexyz for example? 11:32 VanessaE there are enough G*d damned ads in every other piece and form of media out there, for one 11:32 thexyz I mean, I spent time building this site, so what's wrong if I earn some money from it? 11:32 VanessaE for two, if the cost of your hypothetical website exceeds what you're willing to shell out per billing cycle, then you should probably be selling useful stuff through that site, not serving up ads. 11:33 VanessaE THAT is my point. 11:33 thexyz VanessaE: it's a "free" website 11:33 VanessaE I don't have a problem with websites that sell stuff. 11:33 thexyz there's nothing to buy here 11:34 thexyz let's say it's just a website about kittens, or news, or something 11:34 VanessaE somehow, the internet seemed to function *just fine* without tons of ads before. 11:34 VanessaE what changed? 11:34 thexyz VanessaE: it got popular? 11:34 thexyz I also don't see "tons of ads" on the page DanDuncombe linked here 11:34 thexyz there's one tiny google ad 11:35 VanessaE then according to economy of scale, shouldn't a popular service/product eventually cost *less* to produce over time? 11:35 VanessaE I didn't see the ad, I was quoting something at the top of the page,. 11:35 VanessaE -, 11:36 DanDuncombe Can someone please export the .blend as .x, please. 11:37 thexyz VanessaE: I don't get this "economy of scale" reference; for sure, connection is faster those days, and traffic is cheaper, I suppose 11:37 DanDuncombe Who thinks Mt should be able to use .blend files, as well as .x? 11:37 thexyz but that's not the point 11:38 Calinou it can't 11:38 thexyz it still costs 11:38 Calinou .blend isn't made for being used in games 11:38 Calinou .x does what we need 11:38 VanessaE thexyz: it's a phrase used here to decribe the general fact that the more popular something gets, the more of that something you can make with each batch (or whatever your production method is), and the cheaper it gets. 11:38 thexyz so, if you're fine with spending your personal money on a site you already spend your personal time on and then get nothing off it it's ok 11:38 * Jordach needs a reboot 11:39 Jordach i hibernated it 11:39 DanDuncombe Jordach, have you exported the .blend yet? Sorry to be impatient. 11:39 Jordach nope 11:39 Jordach i just got out of bed 11:39 thexyz but don't say that ads are evil; it's the only way to make site profitable in many cases 11:39 VanessaE did I say ads were evil? 11:39 VanessaE no. 11:40 VanessaE I said we have too damned many of them as it is. 11:40 thexyz well, yeah, and there's a reason for it 11:40 VanessaE my site is profitable, and I don't even sell anything through it anymore. 11:40 VanessaE (I used to, that's the reason I have my own domain to begin with) 11:41 thexyz that's good for you 11:41 Jordach okay, no re-boot then (screen resolution went wrong) 11:41 DanDuncombe Jordach, when will it be exported? I really am not meaning to be imapatient, it's just I need it for the next release of the prefab mod. 11:42 thexyz but web as we know it wouldn't happen without ads 11:42 thexyz (my personal opinion without facts) 11:42 VanessaE you know what they say about opinions....;) 11:43 DanDuncombe PilzAdam, which bit of your boats mod defines the forward speed? 11:44 thexyz VanessaE: yeah, so you don't agree with it? 11:45 VanessaE thexyz: the web could still have developed to the point we have it at today with or without ads. 11:45 DanDuncombe PilzAdam, I mean, which bit defines the maximum soeed? 11:46 VanessaE does that mean the big sites would necessarily be as fast or able to handle as many users as they do? 11:46 VanessaE of course not. 11:46 thexyz VanessaE: I don't think it could 11:46 VanessaE but to speculate that the web could not have happened without ads... just doesn't follow. 11:46 thexyz it wouldn't be profitable to make websites 11:46 VanessaE (sorry, getting too tired to find my words now) 11:46 thexyz so no one would invest into it 11:46 VanessaE why not? 11:47 thexyz only sites that sell something would survive 11:47 VanessaE I didn't use a single ad (as we're defining them here, obviously) on my site nor in any other site. Just info releases once in a great while when I made something new. 11:48 VanessaE and even if I weren't still making a little money (not much, 10 or 20 bucks a month tops), I'd keep it running because the cost to me is outweighed by the benefit I figure it has to others. 11:48 VanessaE (yeah yeah, insert "cut the altruistic bullshit" comment here) 11:49 thexyz yes please 11:49 VanessaE but that's how I was raised. Not everything has to have a price associated with it. 11:49 thexyz see, you know that "altruistic bullshit" doesn't apply to Big Corps 11:50 VanessaE (pissed my stepdad off to no end, he felt exactly the opposite. To him, every act worth doing was somehow expected to have some monetary value) 11:50 Jordach logged in via SASL :) 11:51 thexyz and "Not everything has to have a price associated with it." is true, but are you seriously going to work for free? 11:51 DanDuncombe Jordach, how long till the blend is exported? 11:52 VanessaE thexyz: do you see me charging money for the things I do? 11:52 thexyz VanessaE: no, I mean, imagine this being your only job 11:52 VanessaE (aside from the aforementioned hardware residuals, which obviously has a cost) 11:52 thexyz this == making websites which don't make any revenue 11:53 VanessaE *facepalm* 11:53 VanessaE no one said you can't charge for your work, jeez 11:53 thexyz of course you can but who will you charge? 11:54 VanessaE oh I don't know, maybe the clients who contract out to you to make those sites? 11:55 VanessaE unless we're talking about two different things here, your argument just isn't making much sense. 11:55 VanessaE (or I'm too damn tired to "get it") 11:56 thexyz you don't have clients =( 11:56 thexyz because it's not profitable to make sites on the internet since there are no ads 11:56 VanessaE who pays for a website to be made if they don't expect to derive profit from it? 11:57 Calinou but web as we know it wouldn't happen without ads 11:57 Calinou suddenly: adblock 8D 11:57 Calinou it's simple, people who want to view ads can. 11:57 VanessaE I mean shit, we already have a ton of websites out there whose sole purpose is to farm out ads based on perceived searches (you know, those dumbass "What you need, when you need it" link farms) 11:57 thexyz VanessaE: aren't we talking about web-without-ads? 11:58 VanessaE yes, we are. Either you have a product to sell, or a service to sell, or you put up ads. 11:58 VanessaE guess which one of those three methods of making money is the least egregious to pretty much anyone? 11:58 VanessaE s/least/mods/ 11:58 thexyz what if I neither have a product nor a service? 11:58 VanessaE fuck 11:59 VanessaE s/least/most/ 11:59 DanDuncombe Jordach, how long until I can have the .x? 11:59 Calinou VanessaE: "content farms" are less efficient these days, and are likely to disappear soon. 11:59 VanessaE if you have neither a product nor a service, and you still expect profit, you're clearly in the wrong field. 11:59 thexyz I mean, this is a website with kitten photos, or any free product 11:59 thexyz I'm not expecting profit 11:59 thexyz but wait 11:59 VanessaE you, the person coding the site, or you, the person RUNNING the site? 12:00 thexyz I'm a service; I'm not "selling a service" 12:00 thexyz s/a/have/ 12:00 thexyz shit, wrong replacement 12:01 thexyz I don't want to live in the world without ads -( 12:01 DanDuncombe Please, Jordach? 12:01 VanessaE lemme rephrase - you as in the guy writing the website for Joe Random Kitten Owner, or you as Joe Random Kitten Owner wanting to put his pictures online? 12:01 thexyz all websites which don't sell products or service would vanish 12:01 Jordach thexyz, suddenly: free website hosts 12:01 thexyz VanessaE: the latter 12:01 VanessaE disappear!? 12:02 thexyz Jordach: you don't follow the conversation 12:02 thexyz VanessaE: oh, apart from ones owned by altruistic people 12:02 DanDuncombe Jordach, could you please do the export now? 12:03 VanessaE thexyz: you as Joe Random Kitten Owner who wants to put his pictures online surely doesn't expect to draw a profit from such a thing, less'n you're selling kitten calendars or something of course. 12:03 thexyz VanessaE: if there're ads then sure I do 12:03 VanessaE in which case you either pay for your hosting service like the rest of us or you sell something on the side. 12:05 VanessaE thexyz: so at the end of the day, if you put any effort into something at all, you expect a profit? 12:05 Jordach DanDuncombe, Borderlands 2 > The Universe, and EVERYTHING 12:05 DanDuncombe Errm? 12:06 DanDuncombe How long till the export? 12:06 thexyz VanessaE: no, I mean, many won't even put any effort if they don't expect a profit 12:06 VanessaE DanDuncombe: just so you know, .x isn't the only model format Minetest can use (by way of irrlicht) 12:06 DanDuncombe SHouldn't it only take ~2 minutes? 12:06 thexyz they need money to eat, for example 12:06 DanDuncombe VanessaE, what else can it use? 12:06 VanessaE thexyz: then they can...oh I dunno... get a job? 12:07 DanDuncombe Apart from b3d 12:07 VanessaE DanDuncombe: check the Irrlicht website, the main page lists the formats. 12:07 DanDuncombe Okay, thanks. 12:07 VanessaE afaik, MT can load any of the listed formats 12:07 thexyz VanessaE: one of us doesn't follow a conversation 12:07 thexyz let me explain it once again 12:07 thexyz all those people get jobs instead of making websites 12:07 VanessaE no, don't. 12:07 thexyz …shall I continue? 12:07 VanessaE I follow perfectly fine. 12:08 thexyz oh, then you're trolling 12:08 VanessaE no, not at all. 12:08 VanessaE again, I'm tired as hell, my words are not coming out right. 12:08 VanessaE look, either you expect a profit from a website you run, or you don't. 12:09 VanessaE and if you expect a profit, either that profit must come from ads, or selling a product, or selling a service. 12:09 thexyz yeah, and most big website owners do 12:09 VanessaE and we're not talking about bit websites. 12:09 VanessaE we are, as you said yourself, talking about Joe Random Kitten Owner. 12:09 thexyz why? 12:10 thexyz oh 12:10 VanessaE big* 12:10 thexyz so, it's ok for big websites to have ads and not ok for small 12:10 thexyz I get it now 12:10 thexyz (actually not) 12:10 VanessaE did I say that? 12:10 VanessaE no. 12:10 thexyz and I thought we were talking about the internet-without-ads 12:11 VanessaE we are, but clearly focused on the small end of things. 12:11 VanessaE but, the model still works regardless of your website's size. 12:11 VanessaE look at Google. they make money on ads, yeah, but now they're getting into selling a useful service - internet access. 12:12 thexyz but would Google happen in the web-without-ads? 12:12 Calinou useful and insanely fast service, for once :P 12:12 Calinou if only they did it in my city :P 12:12 VanessaE as I recall, they were not exactly inundated with ads when they got their start back in the mid 90's 12:12 VanessaE nor were most of the other popular search engines. 12:13 VanessaE Calinou: as I understand, they've been satisfied with the outcome so far in Kansas City and have been expanding a bit here and there. 12:14 sdzen hey is there a minetest.register_on_startup? 12:14 sdzen or similar? 12:14 thexyz minetest.after 12:14 VanessaE not sure, but I don't think so (there was some recent talk to add such a thing though, wasn't there?) 12:15 thexyz VanessaE: wait, I thought google doesn't make money from their internet access service 12:16 VanessaE thexyz: they must be making something from it, as it's a clean pipe. 12:16 thexyz and as this page http://www.wordstream.com/articles/most-expensive-keywords states 97% is from ads 12:16 VanessaE well no shit, I said that already. 12:16 VanessaE when they got started, they didn't sell or use ads that I remember ever seeing 12:16 VanessaE neither did hardly anyone else 12:17 thexyz and do you think they would be able to continue without putting on ads? 12:17 VanessaE I'm sure they went with ads because it's simply the low-hanging fruit. 12:17 VanessaE they could have found a legit way to make money if they really wanted to. 12:17 kaeza iqualfragile, DanDuncombe this thing is cool 12:17 thexyz oh, yeah, sure 12:18 thexyz of course the could 12:18 thexyz sure, sure 12:18 thexyz they just had to think more 12:18 VanessaE no 12:18 VanessaE they probably already knew of other ways 12:18 VanessaE they chose what they chose because it's the cheapest and simplest way to make money 12:19 VanessaE from a business perspective, it makes perfect sense. 12:19 VanessaE but that doesn't stop people from hating on them, especially since they bought doubleclick. 12:19 VanessaE (and whoever else in the meantime, I've lost track) 12:20 VanessaE In fact I generally don't mind their ads popping up here and there. 12:20 VanessaE (figuratively speaking) 12:20 VanessaE eh, popping up....wrong word to use. 12:20 VanessaE "showing up". 12:20 VanessaE I don't go out of my way to block them. 12:21 VanessaE I go out of my way to block pretty much everything else, because pretty much everything else distracts my eyes from the content I came to the site to read in the first place. 12:22 VanessaE you wanna stick some little unobtrusive ad off in a corner where it won't sit there jiggling, flashing, making audible noise, or floating over the content, fine. I'll simply ignore it. 12:22 VanessaE even the ads at the top of some of google's search results don't bother me. 12:23 sdzen 08:23:25: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: /usr/share/minetest/builtin/misc.lua:17: attempt to call field 'func' (a number value) 12:23 sdzen :( 12:23 VanessaE but the moment you try to take my eyes off the content I came to read, especially forcibly via a popover, floater, whatever the hell else they call it, that's when I add a rule to my list (if adblockplus doesn't already catch it) 12:25 VanessaE when I want something, I'll go look for it explicitly via google shopping, eBay, pricewatch, etc. 12:25 DanDuncombe How do I make an entity in Mt have a texture? It is just grey, and won't use the texture I tell it to. 12:27 DanDuncombe Jordach,do you know? 12:32 sdzen nevermind the error 12:32 sdzen I got around it 12:32 * VanessaE falls asleep 12:33 VanessaE bbl 12:39 DanDuncombe Has the intense argument about ads stopped? 12:41 thexyz yeah, VanessaE fell asleep 12:42 thexyz I CONSIDER THIS AS WINNING 12:42 DanDuncombe Jordach, have you mapped and exported it yet? 12:45 iqualfragile wohoo! sdl2! 12:48 DanDuncombe JORDACH, IS IT EXPORTED YET? 12:49 * kaeza slaps iqualfragile with Allegro and runs off 12:50 kaeza Allegro 4; Allegro 5 sucks 12:52 DanDuncombe PLease can someone export the bloody file as .x. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! 12:53 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, why dont you do it yourself? 12:53 DanDuncombe I can't 12:53 DanDuncombe I can't open User Preferences without Blender crashing 12:54 PilzAdam would you mind being less annyoing? 12:54 DanDuncombe Yes, I would mind. Can someone please export it NOW? 12:54 Calinou no u 12:55 jin_xi annyong! 12:56 DanDuncombe Never mind. 12:57 PilzAdam "Be patient when you ask something, people might not be arround" http://minetest.net/irc 12:57 DanDuncombe You are around. 12:58 PilzAdam have you read the first part of that sentence? 12:58 thexyz IT REALLY DOES SAY ARROUND 12:58 thexyz fuck 12:58 PilzAdam also, its probably way faster to fix your blender than waiting for others to export it 12:58 PilzAdam just ask ixquick.com 12:59 DanDuncombe But no Blender version has ever worked for me. 13:00 PenguinDad UTFSE 13:00 PilzAdam bbl 13:00 PenguinDad maybe it helps you 13:08 PenguinDad hi Peacock 13:08 Peacock howdy 13:09 Peacock Peacock.makeCoffee() 13:10 DanDuncombe local function(peacock.makeCoffee{pos , node}), 13:11 thexyz what language is that? 13:12 proller cocklang 0.1 13:12 Peacock the second or the first statement? 13:12 thexyz second, obviously 13:12 Peacock weird ive never seen a function encloses its arguments with {} 13:13 PenguinDad PenguinDad:drinkCoffee() 13:13 thexyz yeah, that's why i'm asking 13:13 Peacock wait, what the... yeah that makes no sense lol 13:13 thexyz though wait 13:13 thexyz it makes sense in Lua 13:13 jin_xi cant lua omit () with string or table arg? 13:13 thexyz you can A{1, 2}, that'll be equal to A({1, 2}) 13:13 thexyz same for strings, yeah 13:13 Peacock function() yeah, makeCoffee{} though? 13:14 proller it was in perl in 198* 8) 13:14 Peacock you can do alot of funky things in lua, but a one line multi-dim add to a table, you cannot lol 13:14 thexyz I thought that'd look cool in stress, for example, pos{1, 2, 3} will give you a "smart" pos which can sum, sub, mul, etc, etc.. 13:15 DanDuncombe In GIMP can you select an area of an image, copy,and paste it elsewhere? 13:15 thexyz Peacock: what's a "one line multi-dim add to a table"? 13:15 Calinou yes you can, DanDuncombe 13:15 Calinou select, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, move selection :P 13:15 Peacock thats when you do what i tried yesterday table[123][123][321] = true 13:16 thexyz Peacock: but you can do that 13:16 Peacock ittl throw an index error 13:16 jin_xi thexyz: are you keeping stress uptodate and using it for serious mods? 13:16 thexyz you just have to override __newindex 13:16 kaeza peacock because table[123][123] is nil 13:16 thexyz jin_xi: I'm still thinking about its design 13:16 kaeza so you cannot access table[123][123][321] 13:17 thexyz kaeza: you can 13:17 kaeza (actually because table[123]) 13:17 Peacock yeah you have to do table[123] = {}, table[123][123]= {}, table[123][123][321] = true 13:17 kaeza +is nil 13:17 thexyz you override __newindex and make it create a table when it doesn't exist 13:17 Peacock override __newindex? 13:17 kaeza thexyz, clever 13:17 thexyz metatables are cool 13:17 thexyz that's why you should love Lua 13:18 Peacock metatables, i read about that for lua classes 13:18 thexyz it's simple yet powerful 13:18 thexyz Peacock: they can be used for many things 13:18 kaeza indeed 13:19 thexyz also, closures are powerful as well 13:19 jin_xi im surprised how much i like lua 13:19 Peacock any code examples on stackex or else where? 13:19 thexyz you can use them for classes and then get methods like `object.function()` work as you want it to 13:19 kaeza you can implement classes (with inheritance and all) with metatables 13:19 thexyz (i.e. function() will know about object) 13:19 jin_xi only "learnt" it for use with mt 13:19 thexyz without : 13:19 Peacock cuz i gots http://www.lua.org/pil/13.4.2.html 13:19 kaeza Peacock, http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.8 13:20 thexyz Peacock: http://lua-users.org/wiki/ObjectOrientationTutorial 13:21 Peacock hm, interesting 13:23 Peacock how i got nickbans and ip-range bans to work yesterday: http://pastebin.com/cj18Lwnt 13:24 Peacock (the readfile code is very old lol) 13:25 DanDuncombe How does this look for a concrete barge? http://s11.postimg.org/75n9bqew3/screenshot_75577957.png 13:27 proller fuuuu, old liquid 8) 13:28 Peacock dan you got those funny air pockets that don't go away either? 13:28 DanDuncombe Yep 13:28 Peacock i added the two lines PA suggested, but that only took care of the surface air pockets 13:28 DanDuncombe What do you mean proller 13:28 Peacock underwater ones still stick around 13:28 DanDuncombe I don't mind them 13:28 Peacock (two lines minetest.conf) 13:28 proller DanDuncombe, underwater bubbles 13:28 Peacock its irritating my ocd lol 13:28 DanDuncombe I reminds me of farts in swimming pools. 13:29 DanDuncombe *It 13:29 Calinou lol 13:30 Peacock the nodes with use_texture_alpha, they tend to flicked when placed against or in water, is that to be expected? 13:30 Peacock *flicker 13:33 DanDuncombe What do you guys think of the concrete barge? 13:33 Peacock could use more sea chanties :P 13:33 DanDuncombe Sea chanties? 13:36 Peacock well it looks like a boat :P tried it with the airship mod? 13:36 DanDuncombe Airship mod? 13:36 Peacock makes the whole thing move 13:36 DanDuncombe I mean, why? 13:36 DanDuncombe It is an entity 13:37 Peacock the whole thing is already an entity? 13:37 DanDuncombe A single thing. 13:37 DanDuncombe The whole thing is one big entity, yes. 13:37 Peacock not bad 13:38 DanDuncombe It is meant to look like nodesI think. I found it on the forum, on an old post with the boats mod. 13:41 DanDuncombe VanessaE: Prefab mod update 13:52 sdzen worldedit question, how does one get 0.4.8? 13:52 PenguinDad I think Microsoft named .Net so it wouldn't show up in a Unix directory listing. :D 13:53 DanDuncombe When will 0.4.8 be out? I WANT IT NOW :) 13:54 PenguinDad Minetest 0.4.8: Coming Real Soon™ 13:54 sdzen :( 13:54 sdzen then why do mods ALREADY REQUIRE IT! 13:56 DanDuncombe Who thinks you should be able to make red furnaces out of desert stone? 13:57 Peacock some sort of bug with stainedglass/colouredglass set against water: http://s2.postimg.org/fi4bkuyux/screenshot_2012648318.png 13:58 DanDuncombe Who thinks Fallen Kingdom is a powerful and sad song? I do. 14:19 DanDuncombe This was long, long ago https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=500 14:20 PilzAdam sfan5, ^ ban for bumping old topics 14:20 DanDuncombe I didn't bump,I removed the post already. 14:20 sfan5 PilzAdam: yeah, sure, I'll ban him for posting a link there 14:20 sfan5 oh 14:20 sfan5 wait 14:20 DanDuncombe Did the mod work in the end? 14:20 DanDuncombe sfna5? 14:21 DanDuncombe *sfan5? 14:21 sfan5 I you had seen my Coal Mod topic you would have seen that it did 14:21 DanDuncombe The api looked so different back then... 14:22 DanDuncombe How come this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2 is id=2 and not id=1 14:23 sfan5 probably because the first topic ever got deleted because it was just a test? 14:24 thexyz the first topic is punbb "installation success" message 14:24 thexyz something like that 14:26 sfan5 who has done something productive today? 14:26 * PenguinDad brings NekoGloop a fishy 14:26 * sfan5 throws a fish at NekoGloop 14:26 NekoGloop :3 14:26 NekoGloop All of the pings! ALL OF THEM! 14:27 DanDuncombe I know there is already the Minetestmapper written in C++, but ot would be cool if someone wrote it as an .exe, which you click on to open, then check boxes for the various functions, select the world, type a map name and click a button called 'Map!' This would be so cool, and if possible should be included in default Windows Minetest, 14:27 sfan5 "wrote it as an .exe" 14:27 DanDuncombe I mean an app which you can open. 14:27 NekoGloop Dan is stupid AND a troll 14:27 DanDuncombe Rather than command line. 14:27 sfan5 so you plan to use a hexeditor to place the plain binary code there 14:28 sfan5 :D 14:28 * Tesseract drops a whale next to NekoGloop. 14:28 DanDuncombe So: a GUI Minetest_mapper 14:28 NekoGloop That's a really big fishy 83 14:28 * sfan5 throws a kitten at DanDuncombe 14:28 NekoGloop Don't waste the kittens! :< 14:28 * sfan5 throws a kitten at NekoGloop 14:28 * DanDuncombe asks what is the problem with the suggestion? 14:28 NekoGloop :3 14:29 sfan5 DanDuncombe: learn code and do it yourself 14:29 NekoGloop sfan5, I just got up, does that count as productive? 14:29 DanDuncombe I can't be bothered. 14:29 Tesseract BTW I have a local reop with some improvements on the mapper. 14:29 sfan5 NekoGloop: yes 14:29 Tesseract (The C++ one) 14:29 NekoGloop :3 14:29 DanDuncombe Did you call me a troll because of this? https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=5529 14:30 sfan5 !title 14:30 MinetestBot sfan5: Dan Duncombe's profile — Minetest Forums 14:31 PenguinDad I think DanDuncombe means this https://forum.minetest.net/img/avatars/5529.png 14:32 DanDuncombe Yep, PenguinDad 14:40 thexyz we need an isometric mapper 14:40 PilzAdam we have one, but its slow as hell and very buggy 14:40 thexyz we don't need minetestmapper gui 14:40 thexyz don't invest time in useless things 14:40 thexyz PilzAdam: I thought we have two at least 14:41 PilzAdam I only know the one by you 14:43 thexyz oh, then you're wrong 14:43 thexyz there are two versions 1) very slow 2) buggy and slow 14:43 thexyz and then there's some mapper which uses Minetest engine to render map 14:43 thexyz written by… Zeg9? 14:44 PilzAdam oh yes 14:44 thexyz the idea is great I think 14:45 PilzAdam its on our TODO list to move the mapper into core 14:45 DanDuncombe Which is correct? enable_fullscree = true, or enable_full_screen = true, 14:45 DanDuncombe *enable_fullscreen 14:45 PilzAdam so we can workarround the problem that there is not much support for leveldb in other languages 14:46 thexyz and operating systems as well 14:46 thexyz have fun building it for windows 14:46 thexyz hint: you'll most likely need boost 14:47 Calinou DanDuncombe: fullscreen 14:47 Tesseract DanDuncombe: Check minetest.conf.example before asking. 14:50 DanDuncombe so, enable_fullscren = true or fullscreen = true? 14:50 PilzAdam look in minetest.conf.example 14:51 DanDuncombe Found it. 14:52 DanDuncombe That didn't work... 14:52 DanDuncombe It is all weird and off-the-screen when true. 14:54 DanDuncombe Now... What about concrete aeroplanes? 14:57 Tesseract DanDuncombe: The width and height has to be set properly. 14:57 DanDuncombe How, Tesseract? 14:57 Tesseract minetest.conf.example 14:59 DanDuncombe Is there any way of installing TinyCore Linux without cd? 14:59 Tesseract DanDuncombe: It isn't even designed to be installed.. 15:00 DanDuncombe Okay, how can I install it? 15:00 DanDuncombe As a dual boot or even as a program 15:00 PilzAdam "It isn't even designed to be installed.." "Okay, how can I install it?" 15:01 PilzAdam someone needs to learn to read 15:01 DanDuncombe Okay, what is the smallest OS available that works as dual-boot? 15:01 DanDuncombe And is free 15:02 PilzAdam you could just write your own os that prints "Hello World" with only some KiB 15:02 thexyz DanDuncombe: kolibrios 15:02 PilzAdam you probably already have a bootloader that can start it 15:03 DanDuncombe I have dual-booted linux before if that is what you mean. 15:04 DanDuncombe Which download do I go for with KolibriOS? 15:05 DanDuncombe thexyz: Which download do I pick? 15:08 Calinou le random unknown OS 15:17 Peacock bootloader = when kittens hide in your boots XD 15:17 sokomine might be a bit annoyed if you put your feet in :-) 15:18 * jin_xi puts a kitten in sokomines shoes 15:18 * sfan5 throws a kitten at jin_xi 15:18 * sokomine rescues the kitten and pats it 15:20 Peacock Did you know: when cats are upset at you, they either poop in your shoes, or on your bed :P 15:20 Peacock never take long vacations 15:20 Peacock alternatively: only buy cheap bed duvets 15:21 Peacock or whatever the english word is for those big things you cover your bed with 15:22 sfan5 kitten is the right word 15:22 noodles775 Hi! Any chance that minetestc55 in ppa:minetestdevs/stable could be copied to saucy? 15:25 Peacock i wouldn't want more than one cat though, litter-duty is a b!tch lol 15:25 Peacock they eat so little, yet leave so much :/ 15:26 Peacock if it were up to my wife, she'd bring home every stray cat 15:27 Peacock "#Mugabe vows to continue "indigenisation" of Zimbabwe " == deindustrialization? 15:31 Peacock that guy's been in power for what, 30 years now? lol 15:35 rubenwardy Hi all 15:35 Peacock "Obama's Privacy Reform Panel Will Report To ... the NSA" like cops investigating cops lol 15:37 Peacock hey ruben 15:37 Peacock http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Corn_beef_Reuben_sandwich.jpg 15:43 rubenwardy I love corn beef 15:43 rubenwardy I had it yesturday 15:43 Peacock everytime i see your name it makes me think of that lol 15:43 Peacock then i get hungry :( 15:43 Peacock lol 15:45 PenguinDad everytime i see rubenwardy's name it makes think of the food mod :( 15:45 Peacock lol 15:45 * rubenwardy loves food 15:46 Peacock me too but i never eat much it doesn't sit well 15:48 sfan5 noodles775: ask the maintainer 15:48 noodles775 sfan5: will do. Thanks. 15:49 PenguinDad I found that on deviantart "Applejacks Dream": http://is.gd/Q4DYUK 15:51 DanDuncombe Help? I put all the files from the KolibriOS download on a cd, rebooted with the disk in the computer, and it started spinning. It then stopped and Windows booted. Why? 15:51 DanDuncombe That is, how do I install kolibrios alongside Windows? 15:52 sfan5 eh 15:52 sfan5 have you googled? 15:56 DanDuncombe I have found a way now. 16:00 thexyz KOLIBRIOS ALMOST GOT ITS FIRST USER! 16:01 sfan5 haha 16:07 Niften_ Anyone know of a working TP converter for Windows? 16:07 Jordach Niften_, NO 16:07 Jordach no* 16:08 rubenwardy like this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5281 16:08 * Jordach gas played Borderlands 2 for 2 hours 16:08 Jordach has* 16:08 Niften_ Like that, but the download was deleted. 16:08 Jordach Niften_, give me a bit, i might whip up some batch 16:08 Niften_ Okay, thanks Jordach. 16:08 Niften_ :) 16:10 webdesigner97 hi 16:11 sokomine hi 16:11 webdesigner97 soko? great 16:11 sfan5 hi 16:11 Mallot1 hey guys :) 16:12 kaeza hi 16:16 Tesseract Niften_: How did the converter work? 16:16 Niften_ Oh. 16:16 Niften_ PIL failed to install. 16:16 Niften_ It says Python 2.7 isn't on the registry; yet it's in my C:\ 16:17 Niften_ C:\Python27 16:17 thexyz reinstall 16:18 thexyz also, use pillow 16:39 * NekoGloop noms PilzAdam 16:47 Jordach did i just see a staffer re-join :P 16:56 JamesTait Jordach, that'd be me. :-/ $SOMETHING hung up, wasn't able to switch between apps at all. I blame Chromium. 16:57 JamesTait I hadn't realised that even though the display manager restarted, screen did not. 16:57 Jordach heh - X11 problems? 16:59 webdesigner97 anyone interested in testing my streetsmod's trafficlight? It's digilines based 17:00 DanDuncombe Does anyone know how to get internet in KalibriOS? 17:00 webdesigner97 if so: 93.221.80.39 port 30401 17:00 webdesigner97 but I'm afk now, eating 17:02 Jordach webdesigner97, use 16px textures dammit 17:02 JamesTait Jordach, XMir, more likely. 17:02 webdesigner97 back in 20 min, sry 17:02 Jordach JamesTait, ah 17:03 JamesTait But it was working fine until I installed Chromium, so I still blame Chromium. 17:03 DanDuncombe What is the web browser called in KalibriOS? 17:04 Calinou JamesTait: chromium ftw 17:04 Calinou but well, staff hates new software, they all use debian stable :D 17:04 Jordach DanDuncombe, iceweasel> 17:05 DanDuncombe The browser is called iceweasel? 17:05 Calinou rebranded firefox 17:06 JamesTait Calinou, true. I'm using the *old* XMir on the *old* Ubuntu Saucy. :-P 17:06 DanDuncombe But I triedrunning 'firefox' and it said that program didn't exist. 17:06 Calinou JamesTait: lel, XMir 17:06 Calinou enjoy your lack of proprietary drivers 17:07 JamesTait I am! 17:07 Jordach Calinou: 1) Does minetest run? 2) Did you enjoy it? 3) Does it work as it should? 17:07 JamesTait I'm thrilled to finally be rid of that useless pile of nvidia junk and actually have a boot screen that fits my display and virtual terminals again. 17:07 Calinou also, >staff >uses Ubuntu 17:08 Calinou JamesTait: nouveau = 24 fps, nvidia = 690 fps 17:08 Calinou on sauerbraten with max settings 17:08 Calinou and only GL 3.1 instead of 4.4 17:08 JamesTait Calinou, I can do my job, I can watch videos, I can play minetest. I'm happy. ;) 17:08 Calinou minetest at 20 FPS? 17:09 Exio4 nouveau sucks, because nvidia wants that 17:09 Exio4 if you want to use the opensource gpu driver, you need an AMD gpu, or an intel one 17:09 * Jordach agrees 17:09 Calinou or hire slaves to code nouveau for you 17:10 JamesTait Calinou, minetest at 40fps, full-screen. Good enough for me. 17:10 Jordach the only time i had to forcibly use nouveau was when i nvidia driver upgrade managed to remove the conf for x11 17:10 Jordach had a* 17:10 Calinou while your card can do 80 easily? 17:10 Calinou and with shaders and that stuff 17:10 Calinou Jordach: fun fact: using nvidia-xconfig breaks stuff as of 13.04 for me 17:10 Jordach Calinou, same here 17:11 DanDuncombe Can I get Minetest on Kalibrios do you think? 17:12 JamesTait And 80fps gets me what? My eyes can't register frames that quickly. :) 17:12 Calinou 60 fps, yes 17:12 Calinou and it ensures you don't drop below 60 fps 17:12 Calinou minimum FPS do matter 17:14 JamesTait Had I been given more time I wouldn't be stuck with an nvidia card in the first place. I only ended up with this because my old laptop (ATI graphics) died 3 days before I started working for Canonical and I had to get a replacement fast. :-/ 17:15 JamesTait With the weekend in between, mail order wasn't a realistic option, so I got the best laptop my money would buy from PC World. 17:15 Calinou >started working for Canonical 17:15 Calinou prepare for Jarate and Mad Milk throws 17:16 webdesigner97 Jordach: I would need to redraw many textures, and I'm not going to do this because I'm bad at graphics. And I think that the textures look nice and aren't too big 17:17 JamesTait Calinou, anyway, that was 3 years ago. The laptop has just about lasted and is due for replacement. No more nvidia for me! :) 17:18 * Jordach wonders if most of the staff work for canonical 17:18 JamesTait (Though when my wife inherits this laptop, she'll get nouveau and like it) 17:18 Jordach a #ubuntu op got a staffer to k-line someone 17:18 Calinou >wife >open source software 17:19 Calinou hopefully you don't have "hardcore gamer" friends 17:19 JamesTait Not really. I know a few people who like to play a few games on their consoles. 17:22 JamesTait Jordach, I don't know all the staff, but I'm the only one I know of who works for Canonical. 17:22 Jordach huh 17:22 JamesTait That's not to say there aren't others, though. 17:24 Calinou canonical, the only company to not be profitable and still hire people. :D 17:28 kaeza asdf 17:28 JamesTait Calinou, well, y'know, someone's got to do the work. ;) 17:28 * Jordach waves a copy of Linux Mint 15 in front of JamesTait 17:28 Exio4 kaeza: azerty 17:29 * Jordach then gives NekoGloop a fishy 17:29 * NekoGloop noms the fishy :3 17:29 kaeza Exio4, dvorak 17:29 PenguinDad Neo2! 17:29 Exio4 kaeza: qwerty 17:29 Jordach qwerty ftw 17:29 * Calinou uses Xubuntu 13.04, and is one of the rare people to not have bugs with it 17:29 Calinou according to most people :p 17:30 kaeza Calinou, kill Unity, 95% of bugs gone 17:31 kaeza or at least you regain as much CPU time :P 17:31 Jordach i call bullshit 17:35 Peacock i keep hearing how xfce is slower on ubuntu than any other dist (just hearsay, dont taze me bro) 17:36 Calinou hearsay, too much phoronix/reddit probably 17:36 Calinou it's very fast; if it isn't, get a SSD 17:37 Peacock ugh, maybe im old, but for me SSD's are for laptops and netbooks, since they tend to take a beating :p 17:37 Calinou they aren't 17:37 Calinou again hearsay... 17:37 Peacock in any case, i want an external 5tb 17:37 Calinou don't listen to people without veryfing their reputation 17:37 Peacock if i did that i'd never vote 17:37 Calinou doesn't exist, max capacity for non-enterprise is 4TB 17:37 Calinou lol 17:38 Peacock i know, im waiting for the 5tb lol 17:38 Peacock too many rigs to start installing 1-2tbs in each 17:39 Peacock and ill never open up the netbook to install anything (not that there's room) 17:40 Jordach lol, netbook 17:41 Peacock for 150$ cdn, hard to say no lol 17:41 Peacock do the conversion between pounds and cdn and check how much they cost over there :P 17:48 Jordach Tesseract, link me your tp converter please 17:52 * Jordach has a headache 17:52 * Jordach sticks on rainymood.com 17:53 Peacock just a headache? lucky, i had a huge-ass migraine after having a Falling Skies type nightmare lol 17:54 FreeFull Toilet paper converter? 17:55 Peacock oh shit, my compact stairs work, i can make stairwells 5x1 with a floor height of 2.5 :D 17:55 FreeFull Peacock: What's good is a small SSD as the system drive and a large HDD for everything else 17:56 Peacock yeah but w/ linux i find myself simply reinstalling the whole thing rather than waste half a weekend tackling any given problem lol 17:56 Peacock nothing a new image won't fix 17:57 Peacock especially when i had those glibc troubles with arch 17:57 Calinou FreeFull: if you don't need space, full SSD will do fine, and be less noisy 17:58 FreeFull Calinou: HDDs aren't very loud nowadays 17:58 Peacock and a high enough RPM helps too 17:59 Calinou FreeFull: I mean 7200rpm oens 17:59 Calinou 5400rpm is only good at storage 17:59 Calinou and I can stil hear a 5400rpm 17:59 Calinou I care about noise, only noisy part of my PC is my graphics card :| 17:59 Jordach Calinou, that's because you have ears of a bat 18:00 Peacock mind you, i resintalled linux on a 7yr old 160gb more times than i can count decimal places in pi, so it lasted a while :p 18:00 Calinou I don't destroy my ears by going to concerts and stuff 18:00 Peacock fuck concerts lol screaming girls 18:01 Peacock the sound system doesn't kill me, the little girls do lol 18:01 JamesTait Calinou, your graphics card is only noisy because of your zillion fps! :-P 18:01 * sokomine removes calinous graphics card from his pc and puts it next to it - there, quiet again! :-) 18:02 Calinou yes and stuntrally runs at 5 FPS instead of 60 18:03 sokomine play minetest. that ought to work very fine with your in-cpu-gpu 18:04 Calinou I play more than one game, and Minetest certainly doesn't run at 60 FPS with AA/AF on an HD3000 18:04 JamesTait If gaming's your thing, I can totally understand going for the absolute best drivers possible that give you incredible frame rates. I used to have to use binary blobs for my wireless - I'm a pragmatist, I want my machine to work. 18:05 Calinou the open source drivers could give competitive performance, but noone seems to care about it 18:06 JamesTait But I'm not really a gamer, so I'd rather have a boot splash screen where I can actually see the text box where I enter my disk decryption passphrase, and have virtual terminals just in case, y'know, XMir or something crashes. The frame rate isn't what's important to me. 18:06 JamesTait Horses for courses. 18:06 Peacock aint touching this convo with a 20ft pole lol 18:06 JamesTait Of course, if nvidia would stop being asses about it, everyone could benefit, but, y'know. 18:06 FreeFull I am using open-source drivers right now because I got fed up with the propertiary crashiness 18:06 sokomine aa/af? what's that? usually turning off shaders help 18:06 FreeFull But they do have slower 3D 18:08 Peacock gaming aside, the best graphics driver is also essential if all you have for a TV is actually a computer :p 18:08 sokomine i'm using a celeron g1610 right now without an extra graphics card. runs fine and quiet under mt 18:09 Calinou I disabled plymouth, and never use consoles 18:09 Peacock plymouth? go pontiac :p 18:10 Calinou and, lolencryption 18:10 sokomine why that? tv does not demand much regarding graphics. unless it's hd and/or encrypted. but most of the time, with tv, the most important tool is the switch-sound-off-option in emergencies like advertisement 18:10 Calinou there are consoles with nvidia, they're just ugly :P 18:10 Calinou sokomine: anti-aliasing/anisotropic filtering 18:10 JamesTait TV works better for me with nouveau than it ever did with nvidia. 18:10 Calinou makes stuff look like how it's supposed to look, not have jagged edges and blurred textures 18:10 Peacock true story: when Patrick Stewart dressed up as Locutus for the first time he said "I am Locutus of Borg, have you considered buying a Pontiac?" 18:10 Calinou >video accel with nouveau 18:11 JamesTait I can actually plug a TV into the HDMI port and not have the laptop crash. 18:11 Calinou HDMI user problems 18:11 Calinou the H.264 of video outputs 18:11 JamesTait And then flip windows over onto the TV from my laptop and back. 18:12 webdesigner97 Anyone else interested in testting my trafficlight? 18:12 JamesTait Never worked right under nvidia. I'm glad to be rid of it. 18:12 Peacock i used to have a TV tuner card, but that was ancient stuff by now lol 18:12 Peacock pre-torrent age 18:12 JamesTait Anyway. 18:12 JamesTait It's time I was helping my boys with their minetest mods. 18:13 Calinou dinner, bye 18:13 Peacock i was one of those guys who ripped obscure series and put them on the net :p 18:13 JamesTait I'll probably be around later. 18:14 sokomine ah. yes, there was some talk about antialiassing and such. don't know if it looks that much diffrent...at least not for me 18:14 * JamesTait EODs. 18:14 Peacock End Of ...? 18:14 Jordach Discussion 18:14 Peacock aahh lol 18:14 * NekoGloop noms Jordach 18:14 Peacock i thought something like E. Over Dose lol 18:15 sokomine which mods are your boys developing? 18:16 Peacock aaaaaaand, hes gone :p 18:16 kaeza offtopic section is getting way too offtopic 18:16 Peacock leave it be :p 18:16 Peacock that shit would wind up in general otherwise 18:16 Jordach offtopic is well, offtopic 18:16 Peacock yeah, there aren't really degrees of offtopic :p 18:17 kaeza Ragnar's last post should end up in a Web search engine 18:17 * Jordach builds a desert island in blender 18:17 Peacock ragnar is an exception :p 18:20 Jordach mhm 18:36 sokomine wow! found a nyan cat in my singleplayer world 18:37 mitori sokomine grats 18:37 Jordach on the LogoSkyBlock server, i have my own nyan cat 18:39 Jordach can i just say one thing: if we want to see ragnar's shitty posts, we should put it in spoiler tags 18:41 sokomine i've never before found one 18:50 Jordach hello jcontra 18:50 Jordach shirts selling well (if you're the person who is) 18:50 Jordach s/shirts/kickstarter 19:07 hoodedice Wanna see a joke 19:07 hoodedice http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/google.com 19:07 hoodedice Check privacy 19:08 Calinou well, it's not like there are 2 irrelevant criterias 19:08 DanDuncombe Does anyone here know much batch? 19:09 Calinou >2013 >batch 19:10 DanDuncombe If so, what do I change in this to make it so it prompts you for the world name, and finished map name, then uses them? Also, I want it to be placeable in a folder called 'utils' and still work. 19:10 DanDuncombe http://pastebin.com/jNX7ANB5 19:15 DanDuncombe This is bad... the desktop itself has stopped responding. 19:17 PilzAdam *anypony 19:17 jcontra Jordach: Thanks :) We've met today's goal and need to sell two more to make tomorrow's goal :) 19:17 Semilevel ponies 19:18 Semilevel So what are you ponies up to? 19:19 Calinou wolfgame 19:20 babyface1031 hi 19:21 Calinou hi 3D torch 19:26 hoodedice grats jcontra 19:27 Peacock stairwells finished - cloud towers open for visits :-) 19:29 Peacock could almost use mini-protections where people can setup flats without modifying the building strcture 19:29 jcontra hoodedice: thank you :) please consider picking up a shirt or two! 19:30 hoodedice Peacock, Sweet ! 19:30 Peacock the sub protection or the cloud towers being open? lol 19:31 DanDuncombe What do you think? An exe for installing modster and nodebox generator. My first ever exe! Should I put it on the forum? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/2zl81rrqlahmd4t/minetest_tools_installer.EXE?token_hash=AAF7LaTneaUAcJiPIUABF37cNXf1BgSqUfTzazRwWHR_LA&dl=1 19:31 hoodedice The tower being made 19:31 hoodedice -.- 19:31 hoodedice Dan, sure why not? 19:31 Peacock i havent done the 4x4 balconies yet, but for most intents, its done lol 19:31 DanDuncombe Also, if someone does a gui minetestmapper for Windows, I will include it. 19:34 DanDuncombe Or at least a batch file that prompts you for world name and map name. 19:35 Calinou noone is likely to do that soon 19:35 Calinou prompting is easier to do 19:35 Peacock there are too few arguments to minetestmapper to warrant a gui 19:35 DanDuncombe How to make a batch file then that asks for world name and map name then? 19:35 Peacock basically input and output names that's it 19:35 hoodedice Windoze users need GUI for every other thing 19:35 Peacock though... with lua menus, it should be easy as pie 19:36 DanDuncombe I can make the batch easy, just need to know what to put in it. 19:36 Calinou yep, the windows command line sucks. 19:36 Calinou it's ugly, too 19:37 Calinou even on windows 8 :P 19:37 hoodedice Windows has a command line? 19:37 DanDuncombe But what do I put in the batch file? 19:37 hoodedice It's so useless no one uses it ;P 19:38 Calinou but you should 19:38 Calinou DanDuncombe: no idea 19:38 DanDuncombe I will do it, I am sure. 19:41 DanDuncombe Does anyone know how? 20:05 Peacock wow, since implementing nick bans, the banlist nearly doubled lol 20:06 Peacock (the ip banlist) 20:15 Jordach Peacock, that's good right 20:15 Peacock well it means im catching the same person with more than one IP 20:16 babyface1031 i have a question in the mv technic machines what goes in the upgrade slots 20:16 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Dont write directly to files but rather write and copy a tmp file d718b0b34e 2013-08-13T13:05:45-07:00 http://git.io/-zApxQ 20:17 Evergreen Lol, I put the sentence "How do I make modifications for minetest?" through several translations and here is what I got: 20:17 Evergreen "How can I can test it to make a change?" 20:20 Peacock very gay, tape Miss Brahms! 20:20 Peacock (that quote is soo old, she meant gay in the happy sense :P) 20:21 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/315/desert.png 20:30 PenguinDad Jordach: is that SAM's island? 20:30 Jordach Sam* 20:30 Jordach PenguinDad, nope. 20:30 Jordach it might become something else at a later date 20:36 Tesseract babyface1031: Either chips or batterys. 20:36 Tesseract (Electronic circuit?) 20:37 babyface1031 what does the chip do and what does the battery do 20:40 Tesseract babyface1031: The chip makes it emit pipeworks items faster, the bettery makes it use less power. 20:40 Tesseract (Only one per slot works) 20:41 babyface1031 ok ty 20:42 * Jordach pets MinetestBot 20:42 Jordach Peacock, you know the building with the ziggy zaggy pattern, how the fuck did you do that 20:43 Peacock which one? 20:43 Jordach the one beside the cloud tower 20:43 Peacock the leaning tower? 20:44 Jordach nono 20:45 Peacock the condo tower with each floor at a different shape? 20:46 sfan5 Evergreen: reconnect 20:46 sfan5 good night everyone 20:47 Peacock most of my towers are either done by hand or by carving into a rectangle genereated by a w/e 20:48 Peacock not *the* w/e 20:50 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/BgOeQAY.jpg 20:50 Jordach ^ that 20:51 Peacock That is the leaning tower of Madrid :p 20:51 Peacock there should be two, but i didn't see the point in copying it wholly 21:04 Jordach VanessaE, hoodedice, you about 21:04 hoodedice ya wut? 21:04 hoodedice 2 30 AM here 21:10 Jordach hoodedice, i finished the o_0 face 21:12 Peacock jordach: if you make a really tricky mesh, i could spawn it and make a map 21:12 Peacock (tricky= huge) 21:12 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/vUNF2PR.png 21:12 Jordach Peacock, heh 21:22 Evergreen You're doing awesome with those models Jordach! 21:23 Jordach Evergreen, welcome to generation 3 21:23 Jordach generation 2 was the last ones seen in the mystery render 21:24 Jordach i'm still annoyed with the mouth 21:25 Evergreen No, the mouth looks great! 21:26 Jordach Evergreen, i mean the lips 21:26 Evergreen Oh 21:27 Jordach Evergreen, http://i.imgur.com/UWMwcEC.png 21:28 Jordach it *just doesnt* look right 21:29 Evergreen You're right 21:29 Jordach Evergreen, i could add MORE BONES to control the mouth 21:29 Tesseract Jordach: Will you update the LogoSkyBlock render? 21:29 Jordach later. 21:30 Evergreen I'm not sure, I am no blender expert 21:30 Jordach i'm trying to fix a model here, because this bad boy is a template, from which all my characters are devised from 21:32 Tesseract PilzAdam: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/client.cpp#L2943 21:33 Tesseract (From http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/302/1337.png) 21:33 PilzAdam I know 21:33 PilzAdam saw that too 21:33 Tesseract It is used a lot in test.cpp too.. 21:35 PenguinDad We should add 42 too :P 21:38 Tesseract Aww, no matches in minetest_game. :-( 21:39 Tesseract (Lots of matches for 42, but they are commit hashes) 21:39 Tesseract Will common, survival, and build be deleted? 21:40 sdzen PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (not enough memory) 21:40 sdzen wooo 21:41 NekoGloop PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC 21:42 * Tesseract gives NekoGloop a kitten to calm down with. 21:43 NekoGloop :3 21:48 jin_xi http://i.imgur.com/1qgSDfQ.png some pyramid 21:53 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks 22:29 PilzAdam Taoki|away, stop using away nicks! 23:03 i hi 23:04 Guest12178 I've got a question. 23:12 harrison Yes! 23:12 sdzen No! 23:14 harrison Well, it is not without ambiguity. A partial yes. 23:25 sdzen what were you talking about again?